1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right Podcast. 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,799 We are back with friend of the show and host 3 00:00:05,919 --> 00:00:09,439 of The Sage Steel Show, Sage Steele. We've got you 4 00:00:09,519 --> 00:00:11,519 back to talk about all the news of the day, 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,160 and I guess because it is such huge news of 6 00:00:15,199 --> 00:00:16,199 the day, we should. 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: Kick it off a little bit about Iran. 8 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: But since we're recording this a few days ahead of 9 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,839 when it's going to be aired, and things are obviously 10 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,879 like in flux right now big time, the question for 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,719 you will just be how are you feeling in general 12 00:00:32,039 --> 00:00:36,960 about what we're doing in Iran and this whole proposed deal? 13 00:00:37,399 --> 00:00:38,960 How are you feeling about it. 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: As of right now? You use the word proposed right? 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,679 Has everybody signed off on everything? 16 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean they say it's been like electronically signed, But 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,679 there's a wantalities I. 18 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: Know everybody wants to see it. 19 00:00:53,759 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 3: Yes, just like those white binders with alleged evidence from 20 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,200 the Epstein files. 21 00:00:58,520 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got turnout. 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,519 Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that I don't have faith that it's 23 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,079 going to get done, obviously. I think everybody with half 24 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:12,400 a brain understands the risks with Iran and how important 25 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,879 it was and has been to take any nuclear capabilities 26 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,319 out of their hands is obviously also been easier said 27 00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:20,920 than done. I thought last spring of twenty twenty five, 28 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:23,599 you know, with the presidents at at that time, where 29 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,879 we have decimated them and it's over, it wasn't we 30 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,319 know that now and that's what has to happen. 31 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,519 Speaker 4: I do have faith that's going to happen. 32 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: Here's my issue with it, and frankly with many things, 33 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,719 including tariffs. I mean, there's any number of things that 34 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,239 this administration has tackled and done a pretty good job 35 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,439 of tackling that I think just could have been handled 36 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,439 better out of the gate with clear communication and transparency 37 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,480 about what the goal is and what the good, bad. 38 00:01:53,319 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 4: And ugly that could happen during the process. 39 00:01:56,439 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: So then we have expectations, and then you don't have 40 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,920 the left doesn't have as much ammunition to come after 41 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,879 us when they say, you know, and they're kind of right, like, well, 42 00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:05,840 you said it was a done deal. 43 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,239 Speaker 4: You said it was a done deal. He said it 44 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:07,879 was a done deal. 45 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 3: So this is something that I think big picture, we 46 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,879 can be critical of the administration points and parts of it, 47 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:19,080 and also one hundred percent supportive too, like it isn't 48 00:02:19,159 --> 00:02:22,039 either or y, and if we aren't honest about that part, 49 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,280 then we're just like them. 50 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:24,879 Speaker 4: So let's be honest about it. 51 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 3: I don't like the way that it's been handled overall, 52 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:31,400 while understanding that it's a massive difficult thing. I mean, 53 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,159 there's a reason why no other US president has tried 54 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:37,159 to do this, along with many other things that we're 55 00:02:37,159 --> 00:02:39,879 not going to mention right now, I think. But at 56 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,800 the end of the day, if you come out and 57 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,560 this is just like with parenting, I honestly believe this. 58 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,840 And so you have rules for your kids and expectations 59 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,319 for your kids, like you have to tell them what 60 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,360 they are or else they're not going to You're going 61 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:55,159 to be upset when you change your mind, you're pivot 62 00:02:55,199 --> 00:02:56,800 this way or that way. Well wait, you said my 63 00:02:56,879 --> 00:02:59,039 curfew was eleven PM. Now you're saying it's ten thirty. 64 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:02,680 Well why and what happened? It's really basic if you 65 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,080 just communicate, tell us with tariffs that it's going to 66 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:08,479 hurt for a while some of these small businesses. 67 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 4: But here's the goal in the long run, here's how 68 00:03:10,159 --> 00:03:10,919 we're going to get there. 69 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,319 Speaker 3: Communication is everything, And I don't know why it hasn't 70 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,159 happened better, while also understanding that there's certain things that 71 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:22,560 we cannot know for the scope of what the military 72 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,879 mission is for national security. I mean, there's things that 73 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,879 must remain confidential. There's got to be a happy medium. 74 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,800 So if this proposed deal actually gets signed and we 75 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,400 get to see it like it's official, we hear from 76 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,599 Iran as well, phenomenal, and I will be so grateful 77 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:39,280 when it happens. 78 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 4: I just don't like the process that we've had to 79 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:41,800 go through. 80 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that, because do you feel 81 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,000 do you sense from your audience that when you do 82 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:54,520 offer polite criticism, real criticism, warranted criticism while you still 83 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,759 support the president and all of the people surrounding him. 84 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:01,000 Do you hear from your audience that you're like anti Trump? 85 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,199 Speaker 2: Do you get the show? 86 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: You do because we get it and TDS. 87 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: But you know what else I get people on the 88 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:13,960 far right who are like, screw you, I'm gonna unfollow you. You 89 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:16,199 don't understand what Trump has been through, blah blah blah. 90 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,720 And so it does come from both sides. And it's like, guys, 91 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,839 look at my body of work, look at my history here. 92 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:24,680 I mean, I put myself out there in twenty twenty four, 93 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,399 wearing the Maga hat and the Pink Women for Trump 94 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,079 jacket on the campaign road with Laura Trump and told 95 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,199 us the like, I'm all in, We're all on the 96 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:39,560 same side, right, And so I expect it from the 97 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,120 left because they will they are who they are. Like 98 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,720 when people tell you who they are, believe them. And 99 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,839 I've been told thousands of times who they are. 100 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 4: And that's fine. 101 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 3: I not everybody, but you know, the loud ones. When 102 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:51,639 it comes from the right, it's a little more frustrating 103 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:53,920 because then I think we're going to their level and 104 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:57,839 not actually being fair and you. And the key is 105 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,600 that it's constructive criticism, right. 106 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 107 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 4: And guess what. 108 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,759 Speaker 3: I still showed up at the White House last month 109 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,920 when Indiana football was being honored for winning the National 110 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,720 championship and I was still in the Oval office and 111 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,759 President Trump and I exchanged a couple pleasantries, and I 112 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,519 love him in a very healthy, normal way, right, And 113 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,800 so I just I can't stand up when people on 114 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,399 the right aren't honest about this stuff, like that's when 115 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:25,319 we lose credibility. 116 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: Right, And I think that we're more of the critical 117 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,120 thinkers honestly we've shown that over how many years we've 118 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,600 been doing this. But the you know, the left, they 119 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,720 will just rally. They don't care, as evidence by Graham Platner. Right, 120 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,439 that's that's it's easy. He's a Nazi and they're like, okay, 121 00:05:42,439 --> 00:05:44,560 well we'll support him no matter what. But yes, if 122 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,839 we choose to ask questions or I mean, people will 123 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:50,959 call it nitpicking in our comments section, y'all are nitpicking. Well, 124 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,279 I mean that's that's. 125 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:52,519 Speaker 3: What we do. 126 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:53,319 Speaker 4: We should do that. 127 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: It's healthy to do that. I mean, we do that 128 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,720 within our families. We question each other and make sure 129 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,279 that we're holding each other account. But we do that 130 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:00,879 in our friendship. But I just think that it's a 131 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:04,199 healthy thing for us to do and as observatives. 132 00:06:04,079 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 3: Too, Like I mean, we know we have seen four 133 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,959 years how Donald Trump reacts when people go against him, 134 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:17,120 and I get it. 135 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:17,959 Speaker 4: I don't get it. 136 00:06:18,439 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: Whatever, it's who he is and how he is and 137 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,399 it has it has worked. But I also, you know, 138 00:06:25,439 --> 00:06:28,879 I was critical of some of his social media posts 139 00:06:28,959 --> 00:06:32,480 of you know Rob Reiner, the former you know when 140 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,199 he died and said I'm glad he's dead or no, 141 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:37,800 that was the FBI, the former FBI director, right, what's 142 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:38,120 his name? 143 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: I think he was. I think he was pretty abrasive 144 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,199 towards Rob Reiner, Muller. 145 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 4: He was. He was with Reiner for sure, and I 146 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:44,839 criticized that. 147 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 3: But with Muller when he said I'm glad he's dead, 148 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,439 oh gosh, you know, or the alleged you know, the 149 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:56,560 depiction of Jesus which they said was from a medical stop. 150 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,319 We know what that was, and it was, and then 151 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:02,399 Riley Gain criticized him for it, and he crushed Riley 152 00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:04,160 where he. 153 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,199 Speaker 4: Knows who Riley is. 154 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 3: He knows how incredibly supportive she has been and put 155 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:13,040 herself out there. So I think that's where I struggle sometimes, 156 00:07:13,079 --> 00:07:14,639 where it's like it's just not necessary. 157 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:16,839 Speaker 4: But he just turned eighty years old. That man ain't 158 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:19,560 gonna change right now. You take the good filling with 159 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:20,199 the bad. 160 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 3: But I do like, by the way, the way Riley 161 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,600 responded to that was beautiful, you know. I mean for 162 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,519 a twenty five year old woman, she's like, Okay, I 163 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,079 still support President Trump and I'm not going to resort 164 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,319 to the back and forth. I love what he's done 165 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,680 for women and trying to protect women in sports, and 166 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,800 we can separate, so you know, it. 167 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:40,199 Speaker 4: Is what it is. 168 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: And he can too because I mean you've seen him 169 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:46,240 like not hold grudges with people that he has ripped 170 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:47,680 to shreds in the past. 171 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,439 Speaker 4: So you know what I mean, Like Donnie. 172 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, when mum Donnie came in his office, he welcomed 173 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,399 him on in. And no, you're absolutely right. 174 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 4: And I don't know. The point is the good outweighs 175 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,240 the bad and. 176 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,639 Speaker 2: One you know, I agree, the good totally atwaighs the bad. 177 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,240 But we've got people like you know, Marjorie Taylor Green 178 00:08:10,519 --> 00:08:14,639 and Thomas Massey who were conservative and now they're breaking 179 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,120 away and we were already I think we're so fractured 180 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,639 as conservatives. And then add that into the mix, and 181 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,439 I just wonder, what's going to happen with the midterms? 182 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:25,000 What do you think? 183 00:08:25,079 --> 00:08:27,959 Speaker 4: Oh gosh, yeah, I'm nervous. 184 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: But even if we weren't at war with Ron, even 185 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,960 if you know which affects gas prices in the economy 186 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:34,759 and jobs, et cetera. 187 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 4: I mean, what does history say about the midterms? 188 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 3: Every single time that the party that is not in 189 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:41,960 the White House is the one that takes it. I mean, 190 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,759 that's historically what it is, and so that's fully what 191 00:08:43,759 --> 00:08:45,600 I'm expecting. I hope it's not as much of a 192 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:46,720 blood bath as people. 193 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,039 Speaker 4: Are people are predicting. 194 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: But that's another reason why the timing of this war 195 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,240 ending is essential. It needs to be like yesterday, you know, 196 00:08:55,639 --> 00:08:57,840 to try to recover a little bit, have time for 197 00:08:57,879 --> 00:09:01,320 the economy, et cetera to recover. On the other hand, 198 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,080 I do think Democrats have continued to put their foot 199 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,240 in their verbial mouths, like every single day. When you 200 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:10,480 look at the celebration of America two fifty and you 201 00:09:10,519 --> 00:09:13,240 know that this past weekend with the World Cup and 202 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,559 UFC and the NBA Finals and all the joy that 203 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,159 was brought really from across this country, with people from 204 00:09:19,159 --> 00:09:21,279 across the world coming here and praising our country, and 205 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,080 then the left still hating. And you have the celebrities 206 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,440 who are out there and Julia Roberts and Bette Miller's 207 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,399 and Robert de Niro's of the world, and. 208 00:09:29,159 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 4: How awful display. I mean, honestly, keep doing it because. 209 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: It was a banger song. Honestly, it's my ringo now 210 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,360 so embarrassed. 211 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:43,519 Speaker 3: That's a great idea for a ringtow I know so, 212 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,639 but at the end of the day, like, no matter 213 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,120 what they do there, their base will always vote for them. 214 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:49,759 You know what, They'll say the same about us, Our 215 00:09:49,799 --> 00:09:52,159 base will always vote for us. And and and it 216 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,759 makes sense. I I just, I just I guess I've 217 00:09:55,799 --> 00:10:00,799 hoped that all Americans have kind of seen through the 218 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:05,320 hypocrisy of the left. The grand Platiner is a perfect example, 219 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:07,600 it really is. And the fact that they have just 220 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:10,799 continued to double and triple down on this guy, like 221 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:14,279 just let go if you allegedly have so many other 222 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,320 great candidates, like help yourselves here, get rid of them, 223 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,879 but they won't, And that that says a lot to me. 224 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think I know. 225 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: But you know, but I think that that the whole 226 00:10:25,039 --> 00:10:28,799 grand Platiner thing has made them forfeit their their ability 227 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,480 to be able to criticize us for anything ethical or moral. 228 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,960 You know, I mean, you can't. They just can't say 229 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,120 anything anymore because they are what don't they come. 230 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,799 Speaker 3: Back to They go back to every time. Yeah, but 231 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:40,639 your guys a rapist. 232 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 4: So it's funny, right, he's protecting meedophiles. 233 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we went from racist because we've been 234 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,960 called racist forever. We've been called white supremacist. Now it's 235 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:54,000 pedophile protectors, and I'm like, what, what's next? Where do 236 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:56,279 you go from there? I have no idea, but they 237 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,639 always find something right and that is there, that's their 238 00:11:00,039 --> 00:11:01,840 their narrative, and they all run with it. It's like 239 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,720 they get their marching orders and everybody and comments everywhere 240 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:07,799 are that's what they're saying now, and it's what do 241 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,960 you say? I mean, you can't even say anything to that, especially. 242 00:11:10,639 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 3: When I mean, you know the number of times I've 243 00:11:12,879 --> 00:11:15,759 been called a racist and a misogynist. 244 00:11:15,879 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, and we saw something about because I 245 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,440 live in Texas. The Carmelo Anthony got that whole case 246 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,279 shook up Frisco, the surrounding area, all of America, honestly, 247 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,360 and so the way that Jasmine Crockett handled that, it 248 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:34,840 was we talked about on our show so gross her 249 00:11:34,879 --> 00:11:38,519 comments just so it's like people don't even look at 250 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,279 other people as human beings anymore. 251 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: I know that that's heartbreaking, and a young life was 252 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,120 lost at the hands of another young life, and for 253 00:11:49,279 --> 00:11:53,200 people to make it about race, which again that's on 254 00:11:53,519 --> 00:11:57,279 us though for being surprised at this point. We know 255 00:11:57,399 --> 00:12:01,320 that that's what people do when they have no other argument, 256 00:12:01,879 --> 00:12:04,080 is you immediately just just turn to that. 257 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 4: It's heartbreaking. 258 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:09,519 Speaker 3: And you know, then to see some prominent people of 259 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,159 color come out and condemn other black people making it 260 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,639 about race or white Karen's white liberals doing it, that's 261 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:20,759 that's what we need. And it's funny. I was giving 262 00:12:20,759 --> 00:12:24,320 a speech this past weekend, and you know, we talked 263 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:26,480 so much about Okay, I don't see color. 264 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 4: Obviously, we all see it, Okay, most visually working right. 265 00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:36,440 The one is we don't lead with it. 266 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,879 Speaker 3: And so when I see this Carmelo Anthony case, I'm 267 00:12:39,879 --> 00:12:43,600 not leading with it. I'm seeing one kid dead and 268 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,519 another kid whose life is also essentially over in many ways, 269 00:12:47,519 --> 00:12:48,519 and it's heartbreaking. 270 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 4: And then you go to the racial aspect of it. 271 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:50,720 I don't know. 272 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 3: Unless Carmelo Anthony tells us that that was part of 273 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:59,679 his motivation, then we can't assume any of it. 274 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,519 Speaker 4: It's it's it's heartbreaking across the board. 275 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:05,879 Speaker 3: But this is what they do when they're losing the argument. 276 00:13:06,159 --> 00:13:08,639 Speaker 1: It's a tribal like I mean the way you know, 277 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,759 we played a lot of videos of some of the activists, 278 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:13,879 I guess or protesters that were waiting outside of the 279 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:18,240 courtroom who were being asked, you know, if the jury finds, 280 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,159 based on all of this overwhelming evidence, that Carmelo is guilty, 281 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,200 will you accept that. Nope, because we're going to stand 282 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:30,080 with our own And I'm like, that's so messed up, 283 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:35,279 Like that's so crazy, and it's so it's just not American, 284 00:13:35,399 --> 00:13:39,360 Like it completely just sets aside the entire value of 285 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,679 the justice system just to focus on the skin color 286 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:44,840 of the accused like. 287 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: That melanin crazy. It's so crazy, it's absurd. 288 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 4: It's absurd. 289 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: And do you think it would have happened if this 290 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:53,440 whole thing had been reversed? 291 00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, come by. 292 00:13:56,279 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: I don't think white people or say it was Puerto 293 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,240 Rica on black would the Puerto Rican you know groups 294 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:05,679 come and say, you know not, we're standing by them 295 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:10,720 because of filling the blank reasons, right, it tends to 296 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:16,440 only go in this direction, and that bothers me. 297 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:19,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's concerning. It's also concerning to see the people 298 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,039 who see it as a grift. They're they're like vultures. 299 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,399 They they swoop in and they're like, how can I 300 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:26,000 make money off of this? It's kind of like we're 301 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,159 seeing it happen with podcasters out there who are doing 302 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,039 it with you know, a grieving widow. And we're all 303 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,759 sorts of people who are out there who are just 304 00:14:34,799 --> 00:14:38,120 waiting to find ways to grift off of things like this. 305 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,000 That's concerning to me too. Yes, it's gross. 306 00:14:41,799 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, where where what are your thoughts about podcast to 307 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,840 stand as it's been called recently, These these certain folks 308 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,879 that you know, we used to have a lot of 309 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:57,440 admiration for and and we're seeing just their entire perspectives 310 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,840 be clouded or jaded by this weird anti Israel sentiment 311 00:15:02,039 --> 00:15:06,799 that is so it's just unimaginable to us how they 312 00:15:06,879 --> 00:15:09,919 can have they can have turned so completely one to 313 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,600 eighty degrees from where they used to stand, and it's 314 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:15,159 it's bizarre, but it seems like that is the common 315 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,159 thread that then turns them into the same people who 316 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,039 would criticize a grieving widow. And it's like it's it's 317 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,320 like a phenomenon, and we're mystified by. 318 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,919 Speaker 2: It and disappointed, very disappointed in people. 319 00:15:28,279 --> 00:15:32,639 Speaker 3: I think it's been a lot to try to absorb 320 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:37,840 because of how quickly it's happened. Yeah, and this is 321 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,080 where the journalist in me comes in where I am 322 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,080 not willing to throw any of them out and. 323 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 4: Just say Okay, they're not on our side anymore. They're gone. 324 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:47,759 They're like I'm not. 325 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,519 Speaker 3: I think that we have to continue to listen, listen 326 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,279 to all of what they're saying, and I think there are. 327 00:15:55,159 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 4: Some questions that are very fair to ask. 328 00:15:57,759 --> 00:16:00,799 Speaker 3: I think what they choose to do from there, maybe 329 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:03,559 those are the things that we disagree with. They're why 330 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,600 behind it, which I don't know that we understand all 331 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:08,000 of it. I mean, listen, there are many things at 332 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:11,399 the beginning, especially that the questions that Candice Owens was 333 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,799 asking that I agree with, like this doesn't make sense. 334 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,480 There's still things, ladies, there's still things that don't make 335 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:20,440 sense that she has brought up. It doesn't mean I'm 336 00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:23,600 all in with everything she says or supportive of everything 337 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:26,080 she says, but I think it's important to listen. 338 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 4: To. 339 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: Listen to some of the questions and then understand the 340 00:16:30,279 --> 00:16:32,840 why behind it and not immediately be like, Okay, she's 341 00:16:32,919 --> 00:16:34,960 just evil and she really hated Charlie and she definitely 342 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,679 hates Eric, and she just wants to make money, like. 343 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 4: That's the easy way out. We've got to listen to 344 00:16:39,399 --> 00:16:40,000 what she's saying. 345 00:16:40,159 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 3: She is a very very smart woman period. 346 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 4: Whether we love you, shavvy, brilliant. 347 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: I would say she's savvy and savvyy, bright, thin, calculating. 348 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: And we said all these things before she changed her opinion, 349 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,799 So she's still bright. 350 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 4: And brilliant in all those ways even if we disagree, like. 351 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 3: We can't change that part of it. It's just now 352 00:17:02,559 --> 00:17:05,799 she has changed her opinions on things. But why, what 353 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,160 is the why behind? And so that's what that's moost 354 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,559 of the questions that we need to keep asking instead 355 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:15,720 of just saying she's insane, because that's what everybody else 356 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:17,680 is doing right now while she's just not. She's gone. 357 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,880 Is she on some things we can absolutely disagree? And 358 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:22,680 another thing is. 359 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 4: Let's think about it because we don't know all the 360 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:25,960 answers yet. 361 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,079 Speaker 3: So then we are being very responsible as podcasters and 362 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,119 journalists by just completely shutting her down and assuming it. 363 00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 4: Tucker others. Again, I don't claim to understand it. I 364 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:36,240 do think this. 365 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:41,519 Speaker 3: You can be completely supportive of Israel and all of 366 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:43,160 the ways that I know the three of us are 367 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,839 and millions of people and ask questions and think that 368 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,799 they that there's some overstepping and that will Why are 369 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:54,079 we giving in here repeatedly, repeatedly? 370 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 4: Like those are fair questions? It doesn't. 371 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 3: It's just like Donald Trump, like I don't like the 372 00:17:58,759 --> 00:18:01,400 way some of the things have happened, but I'm still 373 00:18:01,519 --> 00:18:05,400 ninety five percent supportive. So with Israel, there's questions that 374 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:05,839 I have. 375 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 4: I don't like some of the influence. 376 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:12,279 Speaker 3: I don't, but I absolutely am supportive of Israel and 377 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:13,680 its existence and. 378 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 4: Overall their people. But if we don't ask questions, is. 379 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,319 Speaker 3: Dis go, you know, one hundred percent all in because 380 00:18:19,319 --> 00:18:20,680 it's easier and safer. 381 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 4: We don't want to be considered like some of these people. 382 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,279 That's irresponsible. I hear you. I think we. 383 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,039 Speaker 1: I think we tried really really hard to do that 384 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,200 for a time with some of the folks that are 385 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,799 considered podcast to stand right now. But with Candace in particular, 386 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:41,920 she has been so cruel, so unbelievably cruel, that it's 387 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,799 gone beyond just asking questions, which may be irrelevant to 388 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:49,599 begin with, and now it's just meet it's like the 389 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:55,039 most mean spirited, cruelty and unnecessary, and she's hanging blame 390 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,480 on people without evidence and it's irresponsible. So she's really 391 00:18:59,480 --> 00:18:59,960 good at it. 392 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 4: She's great. We can't deny that. 393 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: She's unbelievably charismatic and like an absolute star on camera, 394 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:11,920 like there's no that's why she's so enormously popular. But she, 395 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,079 to me, she's become dangerous, like she's she's become reckless 396 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:20,759 and dangerous. And the way that her followers have glommed 397 00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:25,160 on to some of her cruelty and made it exponentially 398 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,119 worse for the very people who are grieving Charlie's loss 399 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,920 the most. I can't. 400 00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:31,279 Speaker 4: I just I can't. 401 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:32,839 Speaker 2: I can't be okay with it. 402 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,319 Speaker 3: No same page on that that that's the part that's 403 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:42,799 gross and cruel and really and totally unforgivable. And I 404 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:45,519 can't connect the dots as to how he was killed. 405 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 2: And well, I'm I'm really I'm delighted that the case, 406 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,559 that the whole will be able to see the court room. 407 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,640 I'm glad that that's going to be public, the trial 408 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,880 will be public, and thank you God, because if it weren't, 409 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,240 it would be left up to the devices of people 410 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:01,799 in podcast. 411 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 3: And then another, we don't trust, right, there's such a 412 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,519 loss of trust, right, now, so forget I think you 413 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,440 understand and you know me well enough like I have. 414 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:13,880 I am trained, you know, thirty years in media before 415 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,559 this podcasting craziness. 416 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 4: Like to. 417 00:20:17,599 --> 00:20:21,079 Speaker 3: Literally step back and listen to everybody. There's been a 418 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,720 lot of people through the years, just athletes, whatever that 419 00:20:23,759 --> 00:20:26,519 I disagree with, don't want to listen to, don't like 420 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:28,319 their opinion, don't like the way they treat people all 421 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:33,519 the things and separate, compartmentalize and focus on the topic 422 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:36,480 at hand. So it sucks and it's not fun. Especially 423 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:38,039 you know, there's a long list of people that I 424 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:40,960 haven't enjoyed doing that with. But I do think it's 425 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,160 our jobs, and we lose credibility when we just completely 426 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,160 shut people off like I was shut off and you 427 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,240 guys have been by many people. 428 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: And I think that that just that vacuum will go 429 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,319 away because I think people are looking for answers kind 430 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,559 of like you're talking about. They want answers to things. 431 00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:57,920 I get it, it's human nature. And we also are 432 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,680 in a we're in an environment now, in a social 433 00:21:01,799 --> 00:21:06,279 and political environment where people are quick to be conspiratorial, 434 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:09,440 you know, and they want so bad to make a conspiracy. 435 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,640 Everything is a conspiracy. Not everything is. Sometimes things are 436 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,000 just the way they are. And so that's why I'm 437 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,720 glad that the trial will hopefully start soon. We'll be 438 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,759 able to see it, We be able to make decisions 439 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:23,880 based and choices and seeing things the way we want 440 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,359 to see them, and that will be an individual thing. 441 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,680 It won't be so you know, people won't be influenced 442 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:31,640 so much by. 443 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 3: It about podcast to Stand, which I hadn't heard. 444 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 4: I love it. 445 00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 3: I love it because there's so much money. 446 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 4: To be made. 447 00:21:43,279 --> 00:21:47,279 Speaker 3: Because these people are making so much money, that also 448 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,160 brings up the questions, the questions that we absolutely should be. 449 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 4: Asking, and that's why this is, this is so confusing. 450 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of money. 451 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: When you were talking, because we just briefly sort of 452 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:02,799 threw Graham Platner's name out of there out there when 453 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:05,559 we were talking about just the hypocrisy on the left, 454 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:08,319 and we mentioned on our show earlier this week just 455 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,519 about this whole outrage that has come out of that fighter, 456 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,160 that UFC fighter making the comment about Michelle Obama being 457 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:22,079 a dude, and the reaction has been so over the top, 458 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,480 like the demands for Trump to denounce him and for 459 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:28,000 you know, all these folks on the left are acting 460 00:22:28,039 --> 00:22:30,599 like it's the literal worst thing they've ever heard ever, 461 00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:36,240 while they are promoting Graham Platner and all of his 462 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:39,000 you know, all of the things that he has done 463 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:43,400 so terribly, horribly wrong as a politician who actually has 464 00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:46,519 the power of influencing what happens in this country to 465 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,960 all of us, whereas this fighter is just like, you know, 466 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,000 it's just a fighter, like he doesn't influence anything. And 467 00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:56,079 so I wonder, because I know you recently had it 468 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,359 back and forth with Stephen A. Smith about the morality 469 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:02,440 of voting for Trump, Like he was talking, he was 470 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:04,759 talking to you about how can you do like, how 471 00:23:04,759 --> 00:23:07,720 could you vote for somebody so terrible? And so I'm 472 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:09,759 just wondering if you can fill us in more on 473 00:23:09,799 --> 00:23:14,279 that conversation, especially in light of those items, the Platner thing, 474 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,000 the UFC fight, voting for Trump, and the morality and 475 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:19,519 character of all of these people. 476 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,759 Speaker 3: Well, gosh, the morality bar has fallen so low, you know. 477 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 4: Which over it it is, what it is, It's so sad. 478 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 3: Listen, I watch the UFC fighter hadn't said that it's 479 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:31,440 just not necessary. 480 00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 4: It's just not necessary. You can think it. I mean, 481 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,799 there's a lot of people who talk. 482 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 3: About that first he just I don't know how many 483 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:42,240 people have done it on that stage, So it's just 484 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:46,000 not necessary. I don't think the president should denounce it, 485 00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:47,599 Absolutely not, and we know that he won't. 486 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,079 Speaker 4: And I oh, by the way. 487 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 3: Has Barack Obama or Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or 488 00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:59,720 any of the politicians on the left, have they denounced 489 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,160 anyone calling Donald Trump a nazi or a racist or 490 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,400 a pedophile or a misogynist or all of those things. 491 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:08,400 I know because they've actually been Many of them have 492 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,160 been part of it, part of it, part of that 493 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:10,880 kind of speech. 494 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 4: So you can't pick and choose. 495 00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:17,279 Speaker 3: It's just faux outrage because it's something that is, you know, 496 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,559 not something they're used to hearing from the right nearly 497 00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:22,759 as much. Actually, if you think about it, the name 498 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:25,440 calling really comes from one direction. So I don't have 499 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,519 an issue with that. It's something that is going to 500 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:31,640 continue to be talked about and whatever. I feel like 501 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,559 we have more important things to worry about. If that's 502 00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:35,839 what they want to hang on to to try to 503 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,920 deflect from Graham Platner, maybe that's one reason why Steven 504 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,759 a conversation, you know. Yeah, you guys are very busy, 505 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:48,559 But it was like two hours and thirty minutes, and 506 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:52,200 there was a lot of great conversation and back and forth. 507 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:52,839 Speaker 4: And I'm so grateful. 508 00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 3: I've known him for almost twenty years, you know, but 509 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,079 we've never had that kind of conversation, certainly recorded, and 510 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,200 not at all since I left the ESPN in two 511 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:00,960 and a half years ago. 512 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,759 Speaker 4: So it was it was emotional. 513 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:08,079 Speaker 3: And controversial and hysterical, like I laughed so much and 514 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,960 we both cried too, Like there was all emotions. Yeah, 515 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,920 I'd love it if you watched a little bit more 516 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,039 of it, because I don't want that to be taken 517 00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:14,839 out of context. 518 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:17,279 Speaker 4: This is after I gave him crap. 519 00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:21,519 Speaker 3: For voting for Kamala Harris despite knowing that she wasn't qualified, 520 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,200 literally knowing that she had one hundred and seven days 521 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,160 and they just shoved her in there. And he had 522 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,160 talked to our friend Dave Rubin a couple of months 523 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:32,119 prior and maybe it was even a year ago, and 524 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:34,680 Dave asked him he voted for was like, I voted 525 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,759 for Kamala and why because I don't like the way 526 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:41,400 Donald Trump talks and tweets, and so I just couldn't 527 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,599 do it. And that's why, Kamala, And that's that's where 528 00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:44,720 the conversation began, is. 529 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,279 Speaker 4: Me crushing him for that and. 530 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 3: Like that's so stupid and it's actually irresponsible, Like it's 531 00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:53,799 irresponsible to do that based on your feelings. The facts 532 00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:56,359 are what is he inappropriate? And does he make people 533 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,599 uncomfortable with ill times and sometimes ill worded tweets and 534 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,359 post truth social right, yes, and yeah, like what are 535 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,240 the policies? What is best for America? There's no way 536 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,319 the border would have been touched. I am scared to 537 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,480 death to think about how this conflict in the Middle 538 00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:14,279 East would have been handled by her, Like this would 539 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:17,000 have been an absolute disaster deep down. 540 00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 4: They all know it. Stephen A knows it. And I 541 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,880 think he put up at that time to any voter 542 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,680 for her anyway. So that's where it started. 543 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 3: And then he's like, Okay, fine, and I can say 544 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,519 this to you and that's what you're referring to about 545 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:28,440 well in these immoralities this and that, and I'm like 546 00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:31,960 uh huh uh huh, and I don't care because more 547 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:36,720 important to me than my feelings is the health over 548 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:39,720 all of our country and well being and safety, which 549 00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:40,279 to me, the. 550 00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 4: Biggest issue was the border. 551 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 3: Like absolutely the domino effect that so many people were 552 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,920 on the left refused to acknowledge how it was affecting 553 00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:52,000 every aspect of our society. And to see how quickly 554 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:53,640 he's been able to do that and shut it down, 555 00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:56,799 like it's absolutely incredible, and he's the only one that 556 00:26:58,079 --> 00:26:59,920 was willing. Others could have they chose not to be 557 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:01,440 the only one that was wanting to do it. So 558 00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:04,920 for me that was huge. Again, the conflict's Middle East, Ukraine. 559 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,039 Nobody talks about Ukraine now right, and all the billions 560 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:10,359 that we were sending over there, you know, as Biden 561 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,480 wrote checks every month. So it's about the issues. And 562 00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:15,119 so that's why he came back at me with well 563 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:20,480 you did this, and guess what, like it's a very 564 00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:22,000 fair important. 565 00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 4: Conversation to have and guess what. 566 00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 3: At the end, we hug and we had another glass 567 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,480 of wine with his people, with my husband, and it 568 00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:30,759 was it was great. That's what I love and that's 569 00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:33,160 what I desire to do on my show, to do 570 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,119 with you, to do with people who think differently, is 571 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,519 to have the conversation and to understand and there then 572 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,160 like we can completely disagree. But one thing I always 573 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,480 say to my kids and anyone else who will listen, 574 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,920 our opinions are based on our experiences. Yes, and steven 575 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,119 A's experience was very different from mine. I mean, he 576 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,000 and I talked and this was part of my podcast 577 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,960 with him about twenty twelve, the twenty twelve election and 578 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,359 how torn he was because he wasn't comfortable fully voting 579 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,279 for Barack Obama again, but to not vote for a Democrat, 580 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,880 to vote for a Republican as a black man from 581 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,920 New York City with four sisters, and like that's a 582 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,519 big deal. 583 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,319 Speaker 1: That was very w That's so surprising to me that 584 00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:28,359 that mattered to him, because he seems like such a 585 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:30,240 I don't care, I don't care. 586 00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:31,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, but listen. 587 00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 3: It's also and on a different level certainly, like I 588 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,119 remember family members that I have My mom's white, my 589 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,119 dad's black, and so on the black side, who voted 590 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,319 for Barack Obama the first time, not necessarily the second time, 591 00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:49,519 solely because of race and skin color, And it made 592 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:52,119 me sick and I was like, wait, that's not how 593 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,240 we were raised as a Steel family. Is to start with, 594 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,119 don't lead with color, right, It's not about that. And 595 00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:01,960 I had to understand that I was never in the 596 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:05,599 shoes of people on the steel side who. 597 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 4: Had lived through terrible, terrible racism. 598 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,279 Speaker 3: My grandmother was born in nineteen twenty think about what 599 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,640 she was and more importantly, was not allowed to do 600 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,519 as a black woman in night in the nineteen twenties, thirties, forties. 601 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,599 So for her to see a man that looked like 602 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,759 her potentially be president United States. 603 00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:28,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't live that. 604 00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 3: So I was appointed that this is where it began. 605 00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:35,200 But that's also her right. So when we take the 606 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,039 time to understand people's why, even if we disagree, I 607 00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:40,839 think we can lead with more kindness and not as 608 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,599 much vitriol when we think they're crazy both. 609 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: I love that because it's kind of like how we 610 00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:48,839 used to live in the eighties and nineties, and we 611 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,359 always talk about how we don't think we're ever going 612 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,160 to get back to that. So it's nice that your 613 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,279 show is one of those places where you want to 614 00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:56,039 get back to that. 615 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,279 Speaker 3: But listen what it'll come on either, because I'm because 616 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,240 you know, talking to you talking to somebody that well, 617 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,200 she's a right wing nut. 618 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 4: Job, so we're not going to go on her. 619 00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:06,559 Speaker 3: And even people who do agree with some of the 620 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:09,599 things that we're saying are still afraid. And I understand 621 00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:12,680 the fear. I mean, you guys understand the fear. What 622 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:13,839 happens when you speak up. 623 00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:14,519 Speaker 4: It isn't just. 624 00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 3: Jobs and financial implications, it's friendships and family members and 625 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,920 people literally cut you out of their lives. So it 626 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,079 is risky. The fear is real. But we just I 627 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:28,720 mean I all of us. We had to make a 628 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:31,759 choice at some point, you know, do we stay silent 629 00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:35,799 because it's easier and more comfortable, or do we speak 630 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,680 up but try to do it in a more kind 631 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:38,680 way than they do. 632 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 4: So does Steven A regret his vote for Kamala. 633 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 3: Regret is a strong word. 634 00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: That he would never use. 635 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't think he said that. 636 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,359 Speaker 3: I think he knows that we're very fortunate that she 637 00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:57,240 did not win. 638 00:30:57,599 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 4: Okay, well, I listened. 639 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,039 Speaker 1: The recognition of that is enough, I think, because he 640 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,559 does bullet you guys. 641 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,359 Speaker 3: But then you saw last week where President Trump called him, 642 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:09,920 you know, stupid with a low IQ. So maybe it 643 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:12,000 was to love and common Now, I don't. 644 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:14,119 Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, but you know, it looks like he's going 645 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,599 to have another chance if he wants to vote for so. Yeah. 646 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,559 Speaker 2: But I mean, like we've talked about that before too, 647 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:22,519 where he'll say things about Trump, says up about people, 648 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,960 and you know what, five months later they're best friends. 649 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:27,039 Look at radio. 650 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: Which that's a great question. Are you have you picked 651 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,720 a horse for twenty twenty eight? 652 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 2: Marco? 653 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 4: JD? 654 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: Do you have a preference? 655 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I would be shocked if it weren't JD. 656 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,119 But I love a JD Marco ticket. 657 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,279 Speaker 4: You know, do you think they. 658 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 2: Would be the time together? Yeah? 659 00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:43,759 Speaker 4: Sorry? 660 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,519 Speaker 2: How do you think that they could run together? 661 00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:48,839 Speaker 3: I do? I think they could because they love this country. 662 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:50,799 Speaker 2: How how do they run together? 663 00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 3: Though? 664 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:52,079 Speaker 2: Who would be in the alpha? 665 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,519 Speaker 4: I think JD? 666 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 3: I mean, just for JD to not be the alpha 667 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,000 after being you know, vice president current. 668 00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 4: I think that'd be tough. I don't know. Could they 669 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:05,960 both do it? Could we like have little president? 670 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:09,119 Speaker 3: It would be amazing, right, we could come up with 671 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,519 some new pronouns for that. 672 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:11,319 Speaker 4: The left would like. 673 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. 674 00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, we can have them as co presidents and DeSantis 675 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:17,319 is the vice president. Wouldn't that be great? 676 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 3: Oh? My God, that would be you know, back before 677 00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:23,359 Tulsi stepped away. And I love her. She's a dear friend. 678 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,839 I'm so she's right where she is supposed to be. 679 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,599 She is, as you know, such a faithful woman morals 680 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,319 and values, and we continue to pray for her. 681 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 4: In Abraham. 682 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 3: I did think that would be wonderful to see her 683 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,799 as a vice president. 684 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 4: Certainly she ran for president a few. 685 00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 3: Years back, and you know that's not going to happen now, 686 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,799 but I listen, I love right now that we have 687 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,240 so many options. 688 00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 4: Look at the left, who do they have? Listen? They 689 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,039 still well and we can't even go there. Actually, I 690 00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:56,039 take that back, because it doesn't matter if they're unqualified 691 00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:58,759 or unfit. Look what we went through in twenty twenty four. Yeah, 692 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,000 it just doesn't matter. And they will think it happen. 693 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:04,559 Speaker 3: And they've always been really, really good when it comes 694 00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:09,480 crunch time with campaigns and literally the lowest hanging fruit, 695 00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:14,640 whether it's you know, policies, like things that they say 696 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,160 about us, whatever, well they're this and they're. 697 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 4: That Maga well and people believe them. All Maga people 698 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,839 are Nazis and so therefore. 699 00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 3: They can fool their voters. So much easier than we then. 700 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 4: We can, but I don't think we try to do 701 00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:32,240 that as much. We can never underestimate them because they're 702 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:33,440 to come up with a vengeance. 703 00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:37,359 Speaker 2: Oh they rally, Yeah, rally. They're super loyal to one another. 704 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,400 They rally and they get out and they vote, which 705 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,640 is what we're constantly killing our people. Get off your 706 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,359 butt and go vote, please, because that's that's what it's 707 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:44,759 going to come. 708 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:46,839 Speaker 3: But we also know that when people go out and vote, 709 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,359 then it ends up like California, And I think it's so. 710 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,799 Did you see the video that Benny Johnson posted right 711 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:57,039 before their recent election when he, you know, was doing 712 00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:59,960 some investigating and he found an address in Los Angele 713 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:03,279 was yes, yeah, we're voters registered as Democrats. It was 714 00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:08,320 a porter potties in the middle of an abandoned baseball field. 715 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,719 So and then the fact that it takes weeks and weeks. 716 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,599 So this is why, gosh, the voter idea, it's such 717 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,440 a basic concept, right, and this is why we have 718 00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:23,880 to keep pushing and realizing that we've like, we've got 719 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,400 to continue to implore people to get out there. But 720 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,360 the problem is trust, Like I understand it. For the 721 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:34,360 hundreds of thousands of people who voted Republican in California. 722 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 4: Those belts who knows that. 723 00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 2: And they're like, what does it matter? Doesn't it doesn't matter? 724 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,920 So that you can understand, Yeah, yeah, you. 725 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,559 Speaker 1: Can understand that level of disillusionment when you had the 726 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,599 whole system is cropped. My vote isn't going to get 727 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:48,320 counted anyway. 728 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 3: I mean in Connecticut for seventeen years, and I remember 729 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,559 I knew I had no shot and and it's like, 730 00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:58,159 but we still go and we do it the day 731 00:34:58,199 --> 00:34:59,800 of and we stand in line, and we take our 732 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,039 care to experience what that is and standing in line, 733 00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:05,239 and that it's an inconvenance, like get over yourselves. 734 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 4: This is what people die for. Line. I do think 735 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,800 it should be a national holiday. Need no excuses. There's 736 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,559 other holidays that we can get rid of. 737 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,119 Speaker 3: I think, yes, to make this because of the importance 738 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,000 of it for the future of our country period. 739 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:25,199 Speaker 1: Yes see, yes, Well that's a great way to conclude 740 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,880 our chat with you. It's always so great to talk 741 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,239 to you stage. Where can people see your show? 742 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 3: Thank you for asking Sage Steel Show, YouTube and Spotify, 743 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:39,880 all the platforms wherever you find your podcasts and coming 744 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,360 up soon an announcement about another show that I'm launching. 745 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 4: It is going to be completely upset of what I'm 746 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,920 doing and hysterical. I'll just say that. Really. 747 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: Oh that's wonderful. 748 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,199 Speaker 3: Okay, take a look Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, all the places. Please, 749 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,199 but listen, I have always from day one, loved and 750 00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:00,960 respect to what you lead are doing and the strength 751 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,320 that you've had to continue no matter what. 752 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 4: So thank you, thank you. 753 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 2: We appreciate that. Thank you, sir, Yes, thank you, thank 754 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: You, and we look forward to having you back.