Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to a new episode of
Speaker 1: the Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters and
Speaker 1: I am joined by Tim Duckworth. It is Monday, February sixteenth.
Speaker 1: It is some holiday that I don't even know what
Speaker 1: holiday it is. I just know that my kids are
Speaker 1: off from school, which is extremely annoying. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: when you pay money for the kids to go to school,
Speaker 1: they should always go.
Speaker 2: To school, right with you?
Speaker 1: Or my monthly whatever the heck it's called. What's it
Speaker 1: called fee? Yeah, tuition, couldn't think of that word for
Speaker 1: the life of me. The monthly tuition should should go down,
Speaker 1: it should be cut. Like this is just this is
Speaker 1: how it is. You can't just be taking mondays off.
Speaker 1: This is not how this works anyways.
Speaker 3: Listen, in my son's first year of school, we had
Speaker 3: more days off for like President's Day and all these
Speaker 3: things then I had in thirteen years of school.
Speaker 1: In Australia, it's President's Day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't understand it. Maybe
Speaker 3: this is why this country's not intelligent anymore. Too many
Speaker 3: days off in school.
Speaker 1: It's not that they're not intelligent anymore, it's it's just
Speaker 1: that they're too soft and actually speaking that intelligence factor.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's two ten pm. I got to
Speaker 1: point out the time as always two ten pm on
Speaker 1: Monday February sixteen, when I was playing poker over the
Speaker 1: weekend at Venetian there was a gentleman at my table
Speaker 1: from Europe and he said, in Europe, none of their
Speaker 1: tests that they have in school have multiple choice answers
Speaker 1: or possibilities on them, you know how like you go
Speaker 1: to a test it says what's his collar and it
Speaker 1: gives you a through D or whatever. And he said,
Speaker 1: you know, he said, it's just you either know the
Speaker 1: answer or you don't. You write it in on the line,
Speaker 1: and that's that. And that makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: to me. Again, it just goes back to just every
Speaker 1: one here is soft. I guess and we're having multiple
Speaker 1: choice and you know, the worst you can do if
Speaker 1: you just guess blindly as twenty five percent, which is
Speaker 1: kind of ridiculous, like know the answer or we don't
Speaker 1: know the answer. End of story.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, enough of that rambling. So on today's episode,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a lot of PGT PGT kickoff. That's
Speaker 1: wrapped up. We're gonna hit on that PGT Mixed Games
Speaker 1: that's wrapped up. We're gonna hit on that Super High
Speaker 1: Rollerble Mixed Games is also wrapped up. We're gonna hit
Speaker 1: on that. We're also going to do our mailbag episode,
Speaker 1: which we have a bunch of questions from. We are
Speaker 1: not going to talk about the WSITV schedule, just putting
Speaker 1: that out there, and the reason is is because Tim
Speaker 1: and I it just dropped today, Yes, but Tim and
Speaker 1: I like to digest it, actually come with some coherent,
Speaker 1: somewhat coherent thoughts on it, and not just be shooting
Speaker 1: from the hip. We do enough shooting on the hip,
Speaker 1: but for the very important topics such as the WSITV
Speaker 1: schedule that drops every single year, we're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: leave that to either the next episode or maybe the
Speaker 1: next episode after that, but we'll get to it. Digest
Speaker 1: our thoughts, come with some takes, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: So that is that is coming, that is on the horizon.
Speaker 1: So if you're expecting that on this episode, sorry, you
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Speaker 2: Don't you have a door? But can't you shut you
Speaker 2: office door?
Speaker 1: I don't have a door to my office.
Speaker 2: That is that's maybe the first thing you should handle.
Speaker 1: It is number one on the next projects of the
Speaker 1: house list is the door on the office.
Speaker 2: Also the guy if you want if you need a handyman, I.
Speaker 1: Mean I have a guy too. It's just just getting
Speaker 1: around to doing it, you know, saving up some money
Speaker 1: to get it done because I kind of want to
Speaker 1: do a bunch of different things with the office in here,
Speaker 1: the door being one of them. It's also it's it's
Speaker 1: an enlarged entryway because it's basically just the hallway, so
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to kind of reframe it.
Speaker 3: And maybe it's a double door. Yeah, the doors that
Speaker 3: a is a French like a French door, like a
Speaker 3: French double.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't know. We'll see
Speaker 1: how it goes. I want to put some shelving in
Speaker 1: here and whatever, and it would kind of benefit the
Speaker 1: house in that. I think it's a rule that you
Speaker 1: have to have a door on it in order for
Speaker 1: it to be counted as a bedroom.
Speaker 2: Like officially you have a door and a window.
Speaker 4: Right, there's a window. Yeah, I think that's the closet,
Speaker 4: and I just think you need a closet that I
Speaker 4: think that's the rule.
Speaker 1: I don't know there's something like that, right, but I
Speaker 1: think door is one of them. So need to put
Speaker 1: a door there for it to be counted as a
Speaker 1: as a bedroom. If for whatever reason we go to
Speaker 1: sell the house and you know, it goes up in
Speaker 1: value or whatever. But that's it's on the top of
Speaker 1: the list, and it's going to happen eventually. It's just
Speaker 1: a matter of when I can get around to it.
Speaker 1: If I just stop playing too much poker in my
Speaker 1: downtime and actually get around to doing something that my
Speaker 1: wife would like me to do, that would be great.
Speaker 1: Can't put the dogs outside, though, buddy, because coyotes in
Speaker 1: the area. Two small dogs that'd just be a recipe
Speaker 1: for disaster, so not doing that. I guess I could
Speaker 1: go full Daniel and the gronding style thing, but I'm
Speaker 1: just not rich enough to do something like that. So
Speaker 1: there's that.
Speaker 3: That's just some chicken wire man. That's they can get
Speaker 3: home deep at a couple hundred bucks done.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into actually some substance here instead
Speaker 1: of me just complaining about what I need to do
Speaker 1: around the house and my dog's barking. PGT Kickoff Event
Speaker 1: number one, Andrew Lichtenberger won the event one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty two thousand dollars, the same event he won a
Speaker 1: season ago. He asked right now after he won, if
Speaker 1: he was the first person to go back to back
Speaker 1: in the same event. That is not true, or he's not.
Speaker 1: Kristin Foxen did it. She did in the final event
Speaker 1: of the PGT Kickoff series. And I think it's only.
Speaker 2: Those two, right, I think so.
Speaker 1: And I know we'll touch on it, but Kristin Foxen
Speaker 1: almost did the three P when she finished. She actually
Speaker 1: finished seventh in event number five at PGT Kickoff, which
Speaker 1: is the event that she won the two past seasons.
Speaker 1: Event number two. Brian Battistone won that for one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy three thousand, Event number three Andrew moreto one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two thousand. Event number three, Andrew Moreno
Speaker 1: and Jim Colpy made a deal during heads up play.
Speaker 1: Moreno took home one hundred and sixty two thousand dollars. There,
Speaker 1: Taylor Parr one hundred and seventy four thousand dollars for
Speaker 1: winning the event number four e at number five, Michael Burke
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty two thousand dollars. That's the biggest
Speaker 1: prize first place prize from this series. And then Aril
Speaker 1: Mantel and event number six one hundred and seventy one
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for him. He topped Clement Dang and denied
Speaker 1: Clement Dang a second title. Three cashes were had by
Speaker 1: Andrew Lichtenberger, Dan Smith, Clemen Dang, Dan Maher, Patrick, Leonard, A. K.
Speaker 1: Pads and John Reordan and then after the series was
Speaker 1: all finished, Andrew Lichtenberger topped the PGT leaderboard of five
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one points. What say you on the
Speaker 1: kickoff series?
Speaker 3: My man, it was very impressive. It we saw numbers
Speaker 3: that I don't think anyone was expecting. Obviously I had discussed,
Speaker 3: you know, let's be prepared for a decline. It went
Speaker 3: literally the other way. And for the laugh of me,
Speaker 3: I cannot tell you how why that happened. But hey,
Speaker 3: we're not going to complain, you know, we want to
Speaker 3: compare it kind of to the previous year where we
Speaker 3: were looking at, basically in the five case averaging basically
Speaker 3: you know, one hundred and five entrants. This year we
Speaker 3: went up to you know, one hundred and thirty five entrants,
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty one entrance, one fifty nine one,
Speaker 3: like just absolutely kind of ginormous numbers.
Speaker 2: Window wise. It was great.
Speaker 3: It was after the Borgata had finished, it was after
Speaker 3: Seminole had finished. We saw you know, ten to fifteen
Speaker 3: players that had never been in the studio partaking those
Speaker 3: first few events. Plus we saw people you know coming
Speaker 3: out that hadn't played in a while, and obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: we were still missing some of our regulars too, for
Speaker 3: whatever reason that may be. So yeah, look, we came
Speaker 3: into the year, the season talking about all the tax
Speaker 3: issues and you know what was that going to mean
Speaker 3: for poker or you know, we used that seminal data
Speaker 3: where we saw pretty steep decline in the twenty five k's,
Speaker 3: and you know what, maybe it's just the fact that
Speaker 3: like some of these guys are you you know, they're
Speaker 3: going to concentrate on that five K buying. You know,
Speaker 3: we always discuss that we think threes and fives are
Speaker 3: just like the best price point here in America. And
Speaker 3: with the numbers that we had at kickoff, you know,
Speaker 3: you look in totally, we had one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: eight unique players, which is, you know, one of our
Speaker 3: biggest kind of showings for a series. And you know,
Speaker 3: the five case they're just gonna they're just the beast.
Speaker 3: And we're going to do a few more of those
Speaker 3: this year. And obviously as the year kind of goes on,
Speaker 3: we'll see, we'll see how the rate of play kind
Speaker 3: of evolves. Hearing from players, they're going to kind of
Speaker 3: take shots early and if things go south, they'll slow down.
Speaker 3: If things go well, they'll kind of keep playing, so
Speaker 3: we're going to make adjustments every series.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Obviously we have our next big No Limbit series coming
Speaker 3: up in March, and you know, who knows what.
Speaker 2: That will bring.
Speaker 3: Is that going to be bring record breaking numbers or
Speaker 3: are we going to see what I kind of expected
Speaker 3: a little bit of a trickle off. So, like I said,
Speaker 3: don't really have an answer, which is unlike me, but
Speaker 3: it was just great.
Speaker 1: It was just great because one of the one of
Speaker 1: the mailbag questions kind of pertains to the tax situation.
Speaker 1: So I guess we'll hit on it a little bit
Speaker 1: more later. But I wanted to jump in and ask
Speaker 1: you because you hit on or you briefly mentioned those
Speaker 1: those Seminal numbers. Do you do you have those numbers?
Speaker 1: Did you remember exactly what happened there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, somewhere I believe.
Speaker 1: One of the twenty five k's was canceled.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So look, and I spoke with you know, Jason
Speaker 3: Heidenthal who runs Seminal, about a week ago, so we
Speaker 3: had a little discussion. Look, I made a big tweet
Speaker 3: about it, and he kind of actually thanked me for,
Speaker 3: you know, being able to take that to his higher
Speaker 3: apps and say, hey, we need to adjust our schedule.
Speaker 3: They did just release their upcoming April schedule and they've
Speaker 3: made those adjustments.
Speaker 2: So that's really good to say. I'm not saying it's
Speaker 2: on me.
Speaker 1: I think it's just adjustments. I see no twenty five K.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the big adjustment. So over the last few years,
Speaker 3: you know, they've done a variety of events, seminal in January,
Speaker 3: always at the thirty five hundred main event. Those numbers
Speaker 3: kind of pretty dropped pretty heavily of the last few
Speaker 3: years until this year where we saw a slight increase,
Speaker 3: and then they've normally done a twenty five K and
Speaker 3: at least a five K and then occasionally at ten
Speaker 3: the ten you know, the last two years, seventy two
Speaker 3: to seventy four players. No drop off there. We look
Speaker 3: at a twenty five K back in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: we had ninety three entrants drop down, a seventy four
Speaker 3: drop down to fifty twenty twenty five, was fifty six
Speaker 3: this year, twenty eight, and they they added a second
Speaker 3: one that didn't go.
Speaker 2: Now the second one was.
Speaker 1: The second one for six max or was it the
Speaker 1: other way around.
Speaker 3: I don't know on how many players at the table,
Speaker 3: but the second one was kind of poorly scheduled. It
Speaker 3: was on the same day as the College Football Championship,
Speaker 3: which was also held in Miami, so it was kind
Speaker 3: of about a bit of an oversight there. The first
Speaker 3: twenty five K, you know, half the field drop off,
Speaker 3: fifty percent drop off in that and supposedly they had
Speaker 3: put in two players from They ran a promotion in
Speaker 3: the poker room where two players qualified, knowing that you
Speaker 3: would expect the numbers to be a bigger but then
Speaker 3: also having spoken to so many poker players, you know
Speaker 3: that played both our events and seminal, they had always
Speaker 3: they had always been weary of the twenty five k
Speaker 3: and probably skipping those. So look, they've seen the data,
Speaker 3: the big drop off and the cancelation. Looks like, hey,
Speaker 3: that's not going to be on the schedule for the
Speaker 3: foreseeable future. As confirmed for the AFL event, the ten
Speaker 3: K has being strong. They also do a five K
Speaker 3: that normally has a two hundred or quarter million dollar
Speaker 3: guarantee that that just crushes nearly every year. Back in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, one hundred and eighty two players. They
Speaker 3: took a year off twenty twenty four was one hundred,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five was one point fifty three, and then
Speaker 3: this year was one seventeen. So you know, looking at
Speaker 3: those those data points, fives and tens seemed to still
Speaker 3: be strong, fives especially strong. And then obviously the thirty
Speaker 3: five hundred this year went up about five percent, so
Speaker 3: that's good there. And you know, this stop is always
Speaker 3: a weird one, always kind of slightly overlaps the Borgata
Speaker 3: January event, so you're gonna split the player pool. And
Speaker 3: then this year they also had and not a new event,
Speaker 3: but maybe I guess you call it a return, they
Speaker 3: had a Biloxi main event that was also a bet
Speaker 3: MGM property. So three kind of pretty big no limit
Speaker 3: holder main events all running kind of simultaneously. Isn't great
Speaker 3: for the industry. Now, you could argue that, hey, ones
Speaker 3: in Florida, ones in you know, Biloxi, ones in uh
Speaker 3: up in the up in the cold. It's it's completely
Speaker 3: different player pools, but you are just making you know,
Speaker 3: players pick and choose. It's a little difficult. I'd rather
Speaker 3: just have some more offset for these for these companies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that that I think that that
Speaker 1: what what you just outlined gets into how I think
Speaker 1: we're going to eventually see the poker landscape kind of shift,
Speaker 1: meaning if you're going to have these events that they
Speaker 1: do compete with each other, and you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: the argument for doing them anyway is like, well, they're
Speaker 1: just pretty different locations. But when you're making players pick
Speaker 1: and choose, the players that Tim is talking about is
Speaker 1: the traveling player, right, You're making the traveling player pick
Speaker 1: and choose. Right, There's only a select few people like
Speaker 1: let's say Brock Wilson, for example, Who's going to hop
Speaker 1: on a plane and try and hit like every single
Speaker 1: stop one after another. You know, there's just not a
Speaker 1: lot of those, so that you know, you might you
Speaker 1: guys that you know they travel just to Borgada and
Speaker 1: then back home, or they traveled just a seminole and
Speaker 1: then back home. So you're making those players pick and choose.
Speaker 1: So I think eventually, when I talk about this shift
Speaker 1: in the landscape, I think you're going to see a
Speaker 1: shift to these venues who are running these really big tournaments,
Speaker 1: these really big series. Is like I think they're going
Speaker 1: to shift things to more of a regional and local
Speaker 1: focus and not so much as like we're putting on
Speaker 1: this big series to attract people from everywhere. I think
Speaker 1: it's going to be more dialed in or at least
Speaker 1: I mean partly is like that's what I would advise
Speaker 1: these places to do. So, like you know, Seminal, for example,
Speaker 1: should focus on just that region like that really southeast region,
Speaker 1: draw people from like all the way up to like Atlanta,
Speaker 1: right and then listen, if you get traveling players and
Speaker 1: you get people to come in from Afar, great, you know, bonus.
Speaker 1: But I think you start catering really towards more that regional,
Speaker 1: local crowd, probably anywhere that's within like what in our
Speaker 1: flight two hour drive something like that, like that's your region.
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit more extended on the drive part,
Speaker 1: but still that's what I think you're targeting. So you know,
Speaker 1: when you have someone something like in January where you
Speaker 1: have that Biloxi event, you have the Borgata event, you
Speaker 1: have the Seminal event, all happening at once, Well, if
Speaker 1: they're all just trying to pull from regional pools, then
Speaker 1: it's just a little bit more. It's a little it's
Speaker 1: less overlap between the player pools, so it's going to
Speaker 1: be more beneficial to those players, so you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I also think that kind of the model that seems
Speaker 1: to be working in some places is like a big
Speaker 1: one K one K slash eleven hundred and then like
Speaker 1: a thirty five hundred main like those are your two
Speaker 1: core products, and then you build around those. I would
Speaker 1: even say that you could take that thirty five hundred
Speaker 1: Maine up to a five K if you wanted, so
Speaker 1: then you have like a one K price point and
Speaker 1: a five K price point and then build all around that.
Speaker 1: And I think those just just tend to you know,
Speaker 1: kind of cater to a more regional, local crowd, of course,
Speaker 1: bolstered by you know, plenty of promotions and stuff like
Speaker 1: that getting people into these tournaments.
Speaker 3: So I just don't think you need to cap yourself though,
Speaker 3: that's what do you mean? I know you're talking about regional,
Speaker 3: but got big?
Speaker 1: What do you mean, like give me more, sir.
Speaker 2: Like taget, like I want to own.
Speaker 3: I want to own the entire playoffool if I'm one
Speaker 3: of these bigger rallies, like I'm not tolling it from
Speaker 3: the PGT if I'm if I was, if I was
Speaker 3: in charge of Bolgada, if I was in charge of Seminole.
Speaker 2: You know, I want to. I want to own the
Speaker 2: entire PLAYOFFOL, so I want.
Speaker 1: To, So I don't I don't necessarily agree with your
Speaker 1: goal there. I just think that you're not going to
Speaker 1: be given the resources to be able to do that
Speaker 1: because of some of the stuff that's happened recently with Seminole.
Speaker 1: I'm always going to point back two years ago when
Speaker 1: they came out with that big ten million dollar guarantee.
Speaker 1: They tried to run it, and they got absolutely slaughtered
Speaker 1: on the guarantee. So I just don't think that in
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. Like if you want to
Speaker 1: say I want to own the whole player pool everywhere,
Speaker 1: I want people coming in. In order to do that,
Speaker 1: you need to do something like let's say WPT does
Speaker 1: in December, right or I think WSP Paradise does a
Speaker 1: good job of it, although they're pulling more international. I
Speaker 1: think WPT in December is pulling more from the US, right. So,
Speaker 1: but still like, you got to have big guarantees, big promotions,
Speaker 1: throw a lot of money behind it, a lot of
Speaker 1: resources behind it, and I just don't think you're going
Speaker 1: to be able to be given that sort of marketing
Speaker 1: and promotional firepower to be able to do such a thing.
Speaker 1: So if I'm just coming into it with the assumption
Speaker 1: that I'm not going to be given the firepower I
Speaker 1: need to make it this big, big, big thing, then
Speaker 1: I think the shift is going to be to more regional.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm coming at my side of things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you also don't have to like, yes, you
Speaker 3: can throw money at things, but you can also do
Speaker 3: it like we do it where we don't have that
Speaker 3: money to spend, right, we have to just kind of
Speaker 3: work within what we have, you know.
Speaker 1: So like skill all of poker, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that's the high roller is because we're I.
Speaker 3: Think that's like I'm looking at Okay, I'm bulgada, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the Bolgatta Winter Poker Open. Their main
Speaker 3: event overlaps the Seminal like the Seminal twenty five k
Speaker 3: it overlaps the WSP. So could plan in Hollywood at
Speaker 3: overaps our series and MPG two Champion.
Speaker 1: Well also hold on Let's Bargota has zero excuses because
Speaker 1: they have an online partner as a foundational situe. So
Speaker 1: if you have an online partner built into your company,
Speaker 1: which they have with BETMGM poker, you have absolutely no
Speaker 1: excuses whatsoever, like none. Now someone like Seminole who doesn't
Speaker 1: have an online platform to support it, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a little bit harder to do things right. Even Biloxi
Speaker 1: Bloxi is that's an MGM property. They were running qualifiers,
Speaker 1: which is also kind of silly if you look at
Speaker 1: those two events, because you're running qualifiers on betmgm to
Speaker 1: either send people to Burgata or send them to Biloxi.
Speaker 1: Why are you not having those events at two different
Speaker 1: times and sending why why are you making people choose
Speaker 1: from the qualifiers? Like that's silly, But like if you're
Speaker 1: Seminoal it's it's a little bit more difficult.
Speaker 3: But let's look at seminoles April schedule. You know, their
Speaker 3: main event starts, you know, April twenty fourth, which in
Speaker 3: hindsight looks fine, but it actually overlaps azim millions. That
Speaker 3: overlapse WSLP Austin, which I think will be big h
Speaker 3: and it leads into Bolgada. Now I understand the convention
Speaker 3: space and booking, but also you know, if you move
Speaker 3: that up one weekend, you have nothing. You're against absolutely
Speaker 3: no one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're also kind of making my point for
Speaker 1: me in that I'm saying things are going to eventually
Speaker 1: shift more regional, and if you don't.
Speaker 3: I'm saying you don't have to do it that way.
Speaker 3: You can still be a big dog.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you can still be a big
Speaker 1: dog and still be like regional. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: in Seminole's case, I think the best thing that they
Speaker 1: could do is they could start a national tour. I
Speaker 1: think they have enough properties, have enough hard walks around.
Speaker 1: You have the one that's coming in twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 1: I believe, is when it's going to open here in Vegas,
Speaker 1: you know. Ultimately, like I would make that your finishing
Speaker 1: points for things. I would build up the tour this
Speaker 1: year and next year, and then that twenty twenty seven
Speaker 1: stop you nouns the championship event. You know, you could
Speaker 1: probably line it up where it coincides with what's going
Speaker 1: on here in Vegas in end of November and December,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think you could take that approach
Speaker 1: to things like like that would be my kind of
Speaker 1: big picture plan for Seminoles specifically. And then and then,
Speaker 1: like I said, with with you know, Borgata, you just
Speaker 1: have to lean on bet MGM.
Speaker 2: So they also have it can do a tour as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I think that also. You know,
Speaker 1: I know that we've had conversations with our friend Matt
Speaker 1: Savage about this just others. There's so much poker everywhere
Speaker 1: that you know, eventually you're just going to have to
Speaker 1: let this all play out. Let all these people go
Speaker 1: to war, and you know, the strongest are going to survive.
Speaker 1: Like that's just going to happen, right, It's just the
Speaker 1: kind of just how it's going to all just shake
Speaker 1: out in the end. So yeah, a lot of people
Speaker 1: can can keep trying to contest with other people and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But I do think eventually, like someone like a seminole
Speaker 1: is going to be okay versus someone that's a little
Speaker 1: bit smaller might might die out in the long or
Speaker 1: just have to have lesser events because I think seminoles
Speaker 1: ultimately just too big of a powerhouse right now, you know.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, but I still think shifting to regional
Speaker 1: plus I just factor in I think everything kind of lags,
Speaker 1: you know, this tax situation. I know, like right now
Speaker 1: we kind of think, like, oh, kickoff numbers were freaking booming,
Speaker 1: like what's everything seems to be fine, But I always
Speaker 1: just think things lack, you know, same with like the
Speaker 1: economy or people having less money to spend all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, Like it just kind of lacks, and
Speaker 1: eventually it'll catch up and everyone will kind of kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, be like freak out and be like, well,
Speaker 1: why did this happen now? Well, which is because everything
Speaker 1: just kind of lags behind anything else. On PGT kickoff
Speaker 1: before we roll into mixed games.
Speaker 3: My only thought is, you know, like this series has
Speaker 3: been fairly copypaste the last few years. You know, four
Speaker 3: or five k's the ten K. This year we added
Speaker 3: a single day ten K, two X points in all events.
Speaker 3: You know, looking at the schedule next year, the windows tight.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if this, you know, does does this get
Speaker 3: a bit of a shake up to what you've kind
Speaker 3: of hinted before, where we make it like a multi
Speaker 3: flight just one off of then maybe, But I just
Speaker 3: I do love this series. It's just that I wonder
Speaker 3: if if it if we shake it up a little bit,
Speaker 3: I'm not really sure yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, I just think it goes back
Speaker 1: to what what sort of resources we can have at
Speaker 1: our disposal. I mean, I always thought my original idea
Speaker 1: with the kickoff was a multi flight, multi day tournament,
Speaker 1: you know, three day, three day, one flights, day two,
Speaker 1: three and four, kind of stream the whole thing, big guarantee,
Speaker 1: like all that sort of stuff. Right, If that can't
Speaker 1: be done, I think what you've you know, molded it
Speaker 1: into is the best way to go about it. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't think I would change anything
Speaker 1: the way it is. I'm also a big proponent of,
Speaker 1: you know, if it's not broke, don't fix it, and
Speaker 1: if it's only getting better, definitely don't fucking fix it.
Speaker 1: Like this got way better than last year. The only
Speaker 1: thing that you did is you added one more event
Speaker 1: as a single day event, And that doesn't really matter
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of this because this tournament series
Speaker 1: doesn't have a series title. It's just about the double
Speaker 1: points aspect to it all. So yeah, I think as
Speaker 1: long as this series, if we continue to see numbers
Speaker 1: increase like they are, if we continue to get more
Speaker 1: unique players, which I think is the most important point
Speaker 1: from this series, you know, trying to get people into
Speaker 1: the pgt ecosystem, hopefully they have a great experience, they
Speaker 1: love playing in the studio, they get some points, and
Speaker 1: then they continue to play the whole series. Like that's
Speaker 1: the goal with this series. So as long as those
Speaker 1: things are being achieved, I mean, just just keep running
Speaker 1: it back, you know, because it's a lot of fun,
Speaker 1: all right. Let's move on to PGT Mixed Games. Speaking
Speaker 1: of a fun series, this one's always the most fun,
Speaker 1: you know. I think that part of me says mixed
Speaker 1: game players get a bad rap, and I would say
Speaker 1: deservedly so, you know, because a lot of them are
Speaker 1: just absolute chromade with everything constant complaining, whining and crying
Speaker 1: like the whole thing. Right, But the ones inside the
Speaker 1: studio I think are pretty fun and entertaining, and even
Speaker 1: the few curmudgeons that we have are still wildly entertaining
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things. Seven events as part
Speaker 1: of this year's Mixed Games series. This this did have
Speaker 1: a series title winner, and that was Yuri Zebeleski aka
Speaker 1: Yuri Nerd Guy or Yuri Martins has multiple names that
Speaker 1: he goes by the brazil By.
Speaker 2: He also goes by Goat.
Speaker 1: He also goes by go By God or Jesus, you
Speaker 1: know whatever, because absolutely flying high. So Yuri had three cashes,
Speaker 1: all three were top three finishes. In fact, all three
Speaker 1: were top two finishes in a first, a second, and
Speaker 1: a second, five hundred and thirty four pg T points
Speaker 1: in total, seven hundred and forty five thousand dollars in
Speaker 1: change in total winnings. He won event number five, He
Speaker 1: finished second in event number six, and second in event
Speaker 1: number seven. Event number seven was the twenty five K
Speaker 1: Championship event. So Yuri Zevelevski is the PGT Mixed Games
Speaker 1: Series champion and a very fitting champion. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any debate here in terms of who is the
Speaker 1: best performer from the series, but I do want to
Speaker 1: give some honorable mention to the man who finished in
Speaker 1: second place, King Hi Pan aka Jackpan, who also had
Speaker 1: three cashes, also three top three finishes, but his were first, second,
Speaker 1: and third. So it's just absolutely wild how all these
Speaker 1: guys were battling to the end. But Yury Zeveleski does
Speaker 1: come out on top here. Just running through the event winners.
Speaker 1: Event number one, Chino Reem comes out on top for
Speaker 1: one hundred and twelve thousand dollars. He did make a
Speaker 1: deal with Dylan Lindy in heads up play, and right
Speaker 1: out of the gate, I was like, here we go.
Speaker 1: Chino reim third PGT series title, Like here we go again.
Speaker 1: Justin Liberto won Event number two. Great to see Justin
Speaker 1: Liberto in the mix for more PGT events. He did
Speaker 1: play some kick off events. He played the entire mixed
Speaker 1: game series, so that's good to have him in there.
Speaker 1: Ryan Hoenig his first time at the PGT Mixed Game Series.
Speaker 1: He won Event number three for two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars. A Liberto one Event number two for
Speaker 1: one hundred twenty seven thousand dollars, So excuse me there.
Speaker 1: Nick Shulman the real goat event number four two hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty five thousand dollars for him. Yurizevilevski won Event
Speaker 1: number five two hundred and sixty two thousand dollars. Event
Speaker 1: number six, King Hipan won two hundred and seventy three
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and then event number seven was Brian rast
Speaker 1: Rast winning four hundred and eighty thousand dollars in the
Speaker 1: twenty five K ten Game Championship event. I'll let you
Speaker 1: correct me in a second, but just let me kind
Speaker 1: of set the table here in that I think every
Speaker 1: event was down except for the last one. Basically, what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is we saw booming numbers for Kickoff, we
Speaker 1: saw a pullback in numbers for mixed games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you touched on the the you know, the twenty
Speaker 3: five K finale, that was obviously the outlier, just absolutely
Speaker 3: smashing through the previous record. But yeah, numbers were down
Speaker 3: this year. Most notably though, it was the five k's.
Speaker 3: You know, the five K horse went from one hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty to one oh one, five K eight game
Speaker 3: went from one forty eight to ninety eight. The ten
Speaker 3: K Horse it was a new event, it was a toss,
Speaker 3: but that went down by twelve players. The ten K
Speaker 3: eight game that went down by eight players, So that's
Speaker 3: pretty marginal. That's just kind of some reentry variance. The
Speaker 3: Big Bet mix was I would call a return, So
Speaker 3: if we're comparing it to the previous Big Bit mix,
Speaker 3: it was also different buy and can't really do that
Speaker 3: dealer's choice down a couple people as well.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of reasons for this.
Speaker 3: The first one is I would say about ten regulars
Speaker 3: and when I say regulars. I'm talking guys that are
Speaker 3: firing every event multiple times. We're not here now. They
Speaker 3: made the terrible mistake of getting married and having kids
Speaker 3: and doing all those things, so that's why they didn't attend.
Speaker 3: So they need to do a better job next year
Speaker 3: planning their family lives. But you know, you take those
Speaker 3: ten players, you give them a rebuy in the Horse
Speaker 3: or the EIGHTKA and there's twenty entrance right there.
Speaker 2: We would ran pretty awful in the satellite.
Speaker 3: Everyone that won a seat was probably going to DBI anyway,
Speaker 3: So that's six people there, so that kind of makes
Speaker 3: up for that for that Horse number, and you know
Speaker 3: the eight game number, the ten Game Championship. You know,
Speaker 3: the biggest reason that went up is really you know,
Speaker 3: Phil Stenheimer and his recruiting of players to come play
Speaker 3: this series.
Speaker 2: You know, we had a lot of.
Speaker 3: People flying for you know, the Dealer's Choice that the
Speaker 3: twenty five k, then the hundred K, or even just
Speaker 3: the twenty five and one hundred, so you know a
Speaker 3: lot of new faces kind of rocked up for their
Speaker 3: last event. That kind of help, you know, really boost
Speaker 3: that number. But you know, like I think we all
Speaker 3: agree Mixed game players are on the tighter side, and
Speaker 3: I would say that maybe this is where the tax
Speaker 3: the tax laws kind.
Speaker 2: Of hit players.
Speaker 3: You know, do I want to play the ten k
Speaker 3: horse that gets one hundred players or don't want to
Speaker 3: play the ten k horse of the World series that
Speaker 3: gets you know, three hundred players. They're going to be
Speaker 3: a little bit more tighter with their you know, with
Speaker 3: their with their bankrolls, especially in this new day and age.
Speaker 2: But yeah, either either way, I think it was a
Speaker 2: great series.
Speaker 3: We had a lot of you know, we had new
Speaker 3: players that have never been in the studio playing, so
Speaker 3: that was great. It's always a fun event, a fun series.
Speaker 3: It's like it's basically a multi table home game, and
Speaker 3: I think it's just a great week of poker. These
Speaker 3: mixed guys don't get any series like this around the world,
Speaker 3: you know, outside of the World Series, which is obviously
Speaker 3: stretched over seven weeks. But to come here for you know,
Speaker 3: ten days and play a bunch of different games. The
Speaker 3: cash games were absolutely popping I heard, and then all
Speaker 3: leading into the one hundred k.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought the series was great. I love
Speaker 1: the atmosphere in the room during this series. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, a lot of entertainment from this
Speaker 1: kind of wacky and wild group of mixed game players.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm always surprised that there aren't more people
Speaker 1: that I know play mixed games to come out to
Speaker 1: this series. And I guess I see your point about
Speaker 1: you know, let's say you have ten K and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: should I play the ten K here? Should I play
Speaker 1: the ten K at the WSP. I mean my counter
Speaker 1: would be, it's only twenty K to play both. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm asking you to play, you know,
Speaker 1: three hundred ks or whatever. Like you could take a
Speaker 1: shot in both, you could raise money, like you can
Speaker 1: make it happen, you know. And I would say that
Speaker 1: for a lot of these guys, you're not getting high
Speaker 1: buy ins like this in a condensed time frame anywhere
Speaker 1: else in the world. And I would say really kind
Speaker 1: of even the WSP, because the difference between this and
Speaker 1: the WSP is that the WSP is just spread out
Speaker 1: much more. You know this, you can basically take a
Speaker 1: week off, come play at all in once, and then
Speaker 1: you get the benefit of things like elite staff and dealers,
Speaker 1: incredible luxurious studio that's private, it's nowhere near a casino.
Speaker 1: You know, It's just everything is just really top of
Speaker 1: the line. I know that does sound like company man
Speaker 1: speak coming from me, and while it is, I think
Speaker 1: you guys out there know me enough to say that,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that if I didn't believe it. I
Speaker 1: would just probably dump on it or ignore it altogether.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it really is the best. And again, you
Speaker 1: know you mentioned it, a shout out to Phil Sterneimer
Speaker 1: for a lot of the recruiting he does, not only
Speaker 1: for the bigger buying events, but just kind of about
Speaker 1: this whole series, just just really getting behind it. You know,
Speaker 1: he really is the guy behind this whole thing, almost
Speaker 1: to the point that we should put him on the
Speaker 1: payroll for all these But I heard he did all
Speaker 1: right in the mix and the cash game, so I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's doing just fine. And he did have a
Speaker 1: couple of couple of deep runs in the tournaments as well.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the twenty five K ten Game Championship, he
Speaker 1: got third there for two hundred and sixteen. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so overall, I think a really fun series. Hopefully we
Speaker 1: get some of these guys that start playing more than
Speaker 1: just mixed games, you know, I would love to see,
Speaker 1: for example, Yuri's e Aleski start playing more of our stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, around the rest of the year. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: Yury's gonna he's gonna be there for the entire WSP
Speaker 1: and play all that sort of stuff. But you know,
Speaker 1: can we get him for Poker gro Cup. It's not
Speaker 1: like he's not good at Nolam at Oldham. He's great
Speaker 1: at that too. He's literally great at all of the games.
Speaker 1: So can we get him out there for that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. I mean, that's probably gonna factor in. Does
Speaker 1: it coincide with Scoop and stuff like that? And I
Speaker 1: know they move Scoop this year, and I don't even
Speaker 1: know if they fully release schedule yet. I just remember Patrick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he joked the pads, he's pretty upset of them.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well he's upset that they moved it and whatever,
Speaker 1: but he was also upset that they hadn't released the
Speaker 1: schedule yet. So I don't even know if it's out yet.
Speaker 1: But you know, someone like Yuri, I would love to
Speaker 1: have him come out for you know, Poker gro Cup
Speaker 1: and have him or sorry, yeah, Poker gro Cup, you
Speaker 1: know us Poker Ope and stuff like that get out there.
Speaker 1: I think it would just be incredible. My favorite event
Speaker 1: from all seven events that we had during the Mix
Speaker 1: game series was this Big Bet Mix, even though it
Speaker 1: had the lowest turnout with fifty three entries fifteen K
Speaker 1: price point, Uri Beats Pads heads Up. So two online
Speaker 1: legends there, you know, going at it in the live realm,
Speaker 1: very familiar with each other's games. But just I thought
Speaker 1: the mix was super fun and unique and interesting. You
Speaker 1: certainly don't see it anywhere else in the world. A
Speaker 1: bunch of the games, you know, just being there throughout
Speaker 1: the entirety of this event, A bunch of the games
Speaker 1: players had no idea what they were doing. Also, several times,
Speaker 1: probably a dozen times, players were playing the wrong game.
Speaker 1: Like so if you if you're on the fence about
Speaker 1: playing this sort of thing, Like for example, I saw
Speaker 1: John Reardon at the Venetian the other day and I
Speaker 1: was sitting right next to him and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: you should have played this Big Bet Mix. He's like,
Speaker 1: I know, I thought about that. I didn't, And I
Speaker 1: was like, you don't understand, man. Like players are playing
Speaker 1: the wrong game, Like they had no idea what the
Speaker 1: rules were. They had no idea like kind of hand
Speaker 1: rankings all this sort of stuff, and he's like, man,
Speaker 1: damn it, I should have played. I'm like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: should have played, because as good as you are and
Speaker 1: like some of these games, you know, you probably could
Speaker 1: have figured out the other ones quite nicely because some
Speaker 1: of the players I don't think I had any idea
Speaker 1: what they were doing, which was awesome.
Speaker 3: So and it wasn't just the like the the you know,
Speaker 3: the no elimental PLO guys coming in and not understanding
Speaker 3: you know, no limit. So we saw some mixed game
Speaker 3: legends get some games wrong and we're like, oh, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, so kind of happens to everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was it was a lot of fun
Speaker 1: that one. It was a very very laid back atmosphere
Speaker 1: as well. Matthew Wantman Bucky. He got fifth place in
Speaker 1: this event. He was hammered on D Day Walk, absolutely hammered.
Speaker 1: Also shout out to Maxim piece of Ranko, who I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. I think during this entire series, probably
Speaker 1: had one hundred shots of vodka throughout the entire series.
Speaker 1: And I'm in no way, shape or form am I exaggerating.
Speaker 1: He had at least twenty five in one event and
Speaker 1: multiple players can back me up. He would show up
Speaker 1: at noon every day and order a shot at the
Speaker 1: bar and a drink and then just drink the whole time,
Speaker 1: the whole time, NonStop. And then I guess Brian Breck
Speaker 1: shout out to him too. He was there a bunch
Speaker 1: of times, probably fifteen Coors Lights a day, so I'm
Speaker 1: like just three at a time on the table. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just absolute riot in the studio for this series. Overall,
Speaker 1: shout out too, Uri Zevilevski, who won the series title.
Speaker 1: And then because of all that, his five hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty four points that he earned from this series was
Speaker 1: enough to put him on top of the overall PGT
Speaker 1: leader board for the entire series. He overtook Andrew Liechtenberger
Speaker 1: by three points. And it was all heading in to
Speaker 1: Super High ROLLERBLEL Mixed Games, the biggest buy in mixed
Speaker 1: games tournament in the world. We no longer have that
Speaker 1: title when it comes to the PLO one, but we
Speaker 1: still have it when it comes to the Super High
Speaker 1: ROLLABLEL Mixed Games one. And this is the only thing
Speaker 1: that I'll say about the WSP schedule is that we
Speaker 1: still have the title because I saw the schedule and
Speaker 1: they did not do one hundred k mixed games buying
Speaker 1: that I saw, So we still have the title, buddy,
Speaker 1: for at least one more year. We're still there. And
Speaker 1: naturally speaking, Yuri Zeveleski Day one chip leader, Day two
Speaker 1: chip leader entering the final table and then he is
Speaker 1: the champion of this event. One point three million dollars
Speaker 1: for Yuri Martins four hundred PGT points as well, only
Speaker 1: extended his lead at the top of the PGT leaderboard.
Speaker 1: He's now got nine hundred and thirty four points, which
Speaker 1: I mean might as well be qualification for the PGT Championship.
Speaker 1: At the end of the year, he's four hundred and
Speaker 1: three points ahead of second place. In this two week
Speaker 1: stretch it was actually less than two weeks, but two
Speaker 1: week stretch for mixed games and the Super High rollablel
Speaker 1: Mixed Games. Uri won more than two million dollars inside
Speaker 1: the Poker Ghost Studio. This event was freaking awesome from
Speaker 1: start to finish. Much larger field than last year. Last
Speaker 1: year had what was it, twenty one uniques and twenty
Speaker 1: nine entries. This year was I don't know the uniques,
Speaker 1: but thirty eight entries. How many uniques this year? Do
Speaker 1: you know it was more than last year? Obviously?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was twenty nine.
Speaker 1: But thirty eight entries for one hundred k buy in
Speaker 1: ten game tournaments Ye three days, nice slow player friendly
Speaker 1: structure had coveraged on all three days. Alex Livingston and
Speaker 1: Chris Vich were in the booth alongside Ali Najad. You know,
Speaker 1: not only are Livingston and Witch you know, goats when
Speaker 1: it comes to mixed game commentary. They know everything in
Speaker 1: and out, but all in the Jade is a mixed
Speaker 1: game player in his own right, so you know he's
Speaker 1: able to dive in there, ask the right questions, all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. So if you guys haven't watched
Speaker 1: the coverage, I would highly encourage you to do so.
Speaker 1: Just simply great action from start to finish. The top
Speaker 1: seven spots paid. You had Yuris of Alefski coming out
Speaker 1: on top for one point three million dollars. Chad Eve Sledge.
Speaker 1: I mean, this freaking guy won the event last year,
Speaker 1: finished second this year for eight hundred and thirty five K,
Speaker 1: and in the middle of that he just won the
Speaker 1: PGT Championship in January. No big deal for Chad. He's
Speaker 1: just just like an all around goat when it comes
Speaker 1: to stuff. Benny Glauser finished in third. Robert Wells got fourth.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Robert Wells, you know, really kind of
Speaker 1: emerging now as as a top mixed game player. He
Speaker 1: took four hundred and fifteen thousand dollars there to buy it.
Speaker 4: Many finish the last year? No, no, wo, Benny did he?
Speaker 4: I think he finished fifth fourth last year? Or sorry
Speaker 4: you'ready got third last year? I can't remember something like that.
Speaker 3: Either way, all three of those cashing in it again
Speaker 3: is pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: And the granny was also at that final table was
Speaker 1: Michael Mons. Nigranny played this year Texas. Mike did not,
Speaker 1: but I think I saw a tweet from Texas saying
Speaker 1: he's was getting some VOMO about not playing. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: So Robert Well's fourth Twicaelectness Lectnus got in via satellite HM.
Speaker 1: So he turned a nice little satellite into three hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in prize money. Jared Blesnik sixth place, just
Speaker 1: absolute freaking box office at the final table, as you
Speaker 1: could have expected, immediately starts busting out cards. Nick Schulman's
Speaker 1: buying half the pack. I mean, it was just it
Speaker 1: was it was a plus entertainment and poker. I mean
Speaker 1: at one point he like gets up from the table.
Speaker 1: He still has his hand. This is very early in
Speaker 1: the final table. He still has his hand. They're gonna
Speaker 1: unbox stuff, you know, open the pack with Nick Shulman,
Speaker 1: and he's just like, yeah, I'm just gonna use my time. Banks.
Speaker 1: Like a couple of the players are like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is going on type of you know, and he
Speaker 1: walks around the table. He's in like the two or
Speaker 1: three seat. He walks all the way over to the
Speaker 1: seventh seat to sweat the cards with Nick Shoman while
Speaker 1: his hand is just being timed out, Like it's just
Speaker 1: the whole thing is just crazy. I mean it's just
Speaker 1: absolutely crazy. So Blessnik gets sixth plays and then Nick Shulman.
Speaker 1: Nick Shulman, despite making one of the best folds you
Speaker 1: will ever see when he folded jacks on the short stack,
Speaker 1: still ends up busting in seventh place. Shulman joins a
Speaker 1: pretty elite club of players who have cashed in multiple
Speaker 1: super high rollable variants, and he also cashed in the
Speaker 1: He got fourth I believe in the super high rollable
Speaker 1: in December, the Nolan and hold them one. But there's
Speaker 1: only there's only players that have cashed in two either
Speaker 1: like Mixed and and PLO. Blesnik for example, he's he
Speaker 1: cashed and Mixed and Plo, so he's in that club
Speaker 1: as well, is Nan Yeah, Negranu obviously cash Mix and
Speaker 1: then he's done well in the regular one, so you know,
Speaker 1: but it's not No one's done three yet nope, So
Speaker 1: we'll see if that can happen.
Speaker 2: But I mean, those two guys have to be the favorites.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well Blesslik doesn't play the Nolan one, right, so yeah,
Speaker 1: it'd have to be Shulman and Nicroner to be the
Speaker 1: favorite to do it there. So so we'll see. But overall, uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, again, great tournament, great ending to it all.
Speaker 1: You know, I was pretty much glued to it from
Speaker 1: start to finish, as I'm sure many were. Again, if
Speaker 1: you haven't watched that already, please do check it out.
Speaker 1: It's on the Poker YouTube channel, It is on poker
Speaker 1: Go as well. You can find it on demand and
Speaker 1: watch it from start to finish. My question to you,
Speaker 1: tim is is Yuri Zevelski now the favorite to win
Speaker 1: PGT Player of the Year.
Speaker 2: I think it's lovely he.
Speaker 1: Won't put in the same volume as in Jeremy Osmas, Sam.
Speaker 2: Silver, et cetera.
Speaker 1: It's likely, but we know we're going to get a
Speaker 1: full ten k plus schedule from URI's Eveleski at the Dimissopy.
Speaker 1: That's a given. Now, maybe he skips out on like
Speaker 1: is it though, Well, maybe he skips out on like
Speaker 1: the fifty k plus Nolan at Oldham stuff. But other
Speaker 1: than that, he's going to be in the mix.
Speaker 3: I mean, I haven't looked at the schedule that close yet.
Speaker 3: That's kind of tonight's job. But here's the thing with Uri.
Speaker 3: He's I think he's a mixed game first. And I
Speaker 3: know how these mixed game guys are.
Speaker 1: Is it.
Speaker 3: If there's a fifteen hundred horse, right, they'll play it.
Speaker 3: If there's a three K toss, they'll play it. If
Speaker 3: there's a ten KL eight, they'll play it. They're going
Speaker 3: to just play the mixed game. So I think when
Speaker 3: you see a schedule clash, you know, a fifteen hundred
Speaker 3: horse versus a ten kp low, I think Uri will choose,
Speaker 3: you know, the smaller buying, but the more of his
Speaker 3: bread and butter.
Speaker 2: Now I don't disagree, but if.
Speaker 3: He breaks, if he busts out of that, yeah, he's
Speaker 3: going to probably jump in the ten k. Oh, he's
Speaker 3: gonna lay register. So that's probably going to hurt his chances.
Speaker 3: The other thing is like, you know, we have pug
Speaker 3: A Cup in a couple of weeks. Is he going
Speaker 3: to come back for that? Now he is living in America.
Speaker 3: I did speak to him about this. I told him, hey, look,
Speaker 3: you know, do you understand the championship player of here?
Speaker 3: He goes, no, can you well yeah, a little bit,
Speaker 3: but can you tell me? I was like, okay, well,
Speaker 3: end of the year, we have a championship. The guy
Speaker 3: with the most points has the most chips. Obviously you're
Speaker 3: leading right now. I explained to him the twenty five
Speaker 3: k kind of bonus you get for winning player of
Speaker 3: the year, and he goes, oh, awesome, awesome, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: got lots of extra value. And I go, look at
Speaker 3: our events are always on there. You know, will we
Speaker 3: see him come out for some of those no limits?
Speaker 3: I'm going to probably say no. So that's why, like,
Speaker 3: you know, you got someone like an Alex foxon or
Speaker 3: the you know, Nick Shulman, they're going to play all
Speaker 3: the big stuff at the World Series. They're going to
Speaker 3: play all our stuff season season long. You know, nine hundred,
Speaker 3: You know, nine hundred points is a lot, but I
Speaker 3: don't think it's as much now with you know, the
Speaker 3: little tweaks we made and kind of the volume that
Speaker 3: you know, someone like an Alex Fox is gonna put
Speaker 3: in where he had. He you know, he had three
Speaker 3: thousand points last year. Several had twenty nine hundred, you know,
Speaker 3: Chino twenty eight hundred. So although nine hundred is a
Speaker 3: great start and might you know pretty much put your
Speaker 3: bought in a seat for the championship, he's gonna have to,
Speaker 3: you know, pretty much triple that if he wants to
Speaker 3: win Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it really just does come down to
Speaker 1: his appetite for coming to more of our of our stuff.
Speaker 1: And I would say right now, I mean I don't
Speaker 1: know what his travel plans are. Maybe you do, but
Speaker 1: I personally wouldn't have left Vegas only because WPT Venetian
Speaker 1: win millions Poker gro Cup PGTPO series. It's back to
Speaker 1: back to back back for two months straight. You know,
Speaker 1: a month and a half straight of poker here in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, and there's plenty of like there's some mixed
Speaker 1: game stuff in there. I know it's some of the
Speaker 1: lower buy and stuff, but still there's some mixed game
Speaker 1: stuff in there. And you know, we we do know
Speaker 1: Yuri like he'll play all the way down to like
Speaker 1: those fifteen hundred dollars mixed games. He doesn't care, like
Speaker 1: he'll play them all, you know. And then also like
Speaker 1: there's enough kind of higher buying stuff as well to
Speaker 1: kind of wet his appetite in that regard. So you know,
Speaker 1: I would say that if I was him, I would
Speaker 1: certainly try and make the push to just be out
Speaker 1: here to play that sort of stuff. And then you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to scallop back, maybe you don't come
Speaker 1: to US Poker Open or something like that. But you know,
Speaker 1: I would say, right now, you're hot, man, just just
Speaker 1: keep you You're probably gonna win WPT Venetian one Poker
Speaker 1: gro Cup event. I mean, this is how it's gonna happen, right,
Speaker 1: So you know I would say that, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: have him keep coming out. And last year he didn't qualify.
Speaker 1: He was finished one hundred and fifteenth place in the
Speaker 1: leader board with six hundred and nineteen points, so he's
Speaker 1: already well passed that. You know, I would think that
Speaker 1: he's by far favorite to lock up a seat for sure,
Speaker 1: basically like one result from this from the WSP and
Speaker 1: a ten k plus event, then he'll just he'll be
Speaker 1: locked in. Pretty much.
Speaker 3: Last year Ben Toleraine was the fortieth once adjusted for eligibility,
Speaker 3: he'd one thousand and forty five points.
Speaker 2: So he is.
Speaker 3: From cash away basically, right, like a couple of cashes,
Speaker 3: a couple of small cashes away from from what we
Speaker 3: think will be you know, the bottom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he also seems to me, like, like I
Speaker 1: would say, if to you stay on him a little bit,
Speaker 1: because he seems like a he seems like a titles guy,
Speaker 1: Like he likes to win titles. He likes to have
Speaker 1: his name out there, like he likes to win stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, Like, yeah, obviously poker players do it for
Speaker 1: the money, but I think Yury also like loves to
Speaker 1: just be at the top. You know. Not that he's
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form like a cocky guy
Speaker 1: at all, because he's not. He's the complete opposite, completely humble,
Speaker 1: one of the nicest guys, if not the nicest guy
Speaker 1: in poker. But I still think like just you know,
Speaker 1: being able to stack up those those wins, the trophies,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff is is great. So I
Speaker 1: would love to have him, you know, come out. Maybe
Speaker 1: he can turn into some content he you know, he
Speaker 1: does a lot of content around his own you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that's another angle for him.
Speaker 3: He did that once six years ago, did that at
Speaker 3: the Pokemonsa's I mean, we're.
Speaker 1: Of course very welcoming to all the content creators in
Speaker 1: inter in the in the poker studio. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: stay on his ass.
Speaker 2: Let's go very funny, is you know?
Speaker 3: Speaking of that, I've had a couple of players ask me, like,
Speaker 3: you know, what's the rules with you know, filming. Do
Speaker 3: I have to fill anything out? And I got like,
Speaker 3: how do I get? Like how do I qualify? I'm like,
Speaker 3: you qualified? He messages us, You're good, bring your camera
Speaker 3: see you there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's just general. The rules are basically
Speaker 1: general common sense. Don't be an idiot, don't be a dickhead,
Speaker 1: and like, well you'll probably be fine, like you know,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're acting a fool, or if you're
Speaker 1: making us or other players look bad, then we'll probably
Speaker 1: tell you to go kick rocks. But other than that,
Speaker 1: like it's pretty fine. You know, like we're pretty leaning
Speaker 1: overall in the studio and we want to benefit the
Speaker 1: players as much as you know, we like when the
Speaker 1: players benefit us, so you know, overall, it's all good.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna make the argument that Yuri is
Speaker 1: the favorite for players that year, Like I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna get some more volume out of him, and then
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's just in line for
Speaker 1: a pretty big summer, Like he had a pretty bad
Speaker 1: summer I think last year, So I think this year
Speaker 1: things will turn the other way. The pendulum will swing
Speaker 1: and uh Ury will be in the mix for Player
Speaker 1: of the Year. And then also, like you gotta figure
Speaker 1: even if he doesn't come into Cup or USPO, let's
Speaker 1: say he has a big summer and now he's up
Speaker 1: two thousand points something like that, then it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: like I can really win this thing. Yeah, I'm coming
Speaker 1: to Masters, I'm coming to this other stuff, Like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go for it. I would even say,
Speaker 1: like with him one hundred k buy in for Super
Speaker 1: High Roller Bowl, Like if that happens again at the
Speaker 1: end of the season, Like that's not out of his realm.
Speaker 1: His biggest score is in a one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: k Nolan hold Him event. Yeah, Like, so he's he's
Speaker 1: one of the best. Yes, he's known for mixed game
Speaker 1: more so, but he's certainly has enough that it takes
Speaker 1: to be able to compete at the you know, the
Speaker 1: six figure Nola math Holden price point as well. He's
Speaker 1: no slouch in any way, shape or form, which which
Speaker 1: probably you know, helped him a lot when he had
Speaker 1: some of these runs when when the big bet games
Speaker 1: were involved, you know, because he had a lot of
Speaker 1: success in these mixed games when the big bet games
Speaker 1: were involved in the various mixes, case and point being
Speaker 1: the Super High Rollable Mixed Games Ten Game Tournament, some
Speaker 1: other little PGT nuggets from this stretch of events to
Speaker 1: open the season. So Uri has the most wins with two,
Speaker 1: he has the most final tables with four, and he
Speaker 1: has the most podium finishes with four. So every time
Speaker 1: he's made the final table, he's made the podium. Every
Speaker 1: time he's cashed, he's finished in the podium right, every
Speaker 1: time he's cash, he's finished in the top two, first
Speaker 1: or second.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: He's got two wins and two second places. Crusher Chaddy East,
Speaker 1: Legendchino Reeim have the most cases. They both have five
Speaker 1: cashes on the season, and then URIs of Alefski, Aril Mentell,
Speaker 1: Nick Schulman, Patrick Leonard and Matthew Wallman they each have
Speaker 1: four cases apiece. Next up for the PGT, I'll let
Speaker 1: Tim hit on these schedules a little bit more in depth,
Speaker 1: but we got the Poker Girl Cup coming up March
Speaker 1: first through fifteenth, and then we have the PGTPLO series
Speaker 1: at Venetian Las Vegas March twentieth through twenty ninth. What
Speaker 1: do you got on those schedules that you want to outline.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Poko Cup, a little bit of a trying a
Speaker 3: fifth few new things for this series. We're kind of
Speaker 3: in partnership, I would say, with Win and Venetian. You know,
Speaker 3: we've tried to navigate this kind of three week stretch
Speaker 3: of poker so that everyone is you know, has the
Speaker 3: ability to play as much as I can. You know,
Speaker 3: we're going to start with a three K opening event.
Speaker 3: If you guys, remember we did a five K showcase
Speaker 3: for Poker Massa's this year, we're going to try a
Speaker 3: three K. See how that goes, same kind of concept,
Speaker 3: two starting flights a day two then something new for
Speaker 3: this series. And this is basically due to the overlap
Speaker 3: with Win Millions. Is we're going to run three single
Speaker 3: day five case on March fourth, fifth, and sixth. They
Speaker 3: will finish in a day and you know, there is
Speaker 3: some other events at the win We're trying to give
Speaker 3: players a chance to play both or you know, pick
Speaker 3: and choose how they go. Then we're actually taking the
Speaker 3: whole weekend off. You know, we take Sundays off this year.
Speaker 3: You know, we're taking Saturday and Sunday off basically due
Speaker 3: to a poker player's wedding and him stealing steal, yeah,
Speaker 3: more weddings. This is terrible, terrible decision making from these
Speaker 3: poker players.
Speaker 1: Invited entire tours around these weddings and we can't get
Speaker 1: a damn invite. Not that I'm going to go over weddings,
Speaker 1: but you know.
Speaker 2: H yeah, we should. Yeah, at least got an invite
Speaker 2: two days off.
Speaker 3: You know, he's going to take twenty to thirty poker
Speaker 3: players out of the studio, so why even try and
Speaker 3: run something. Give them the two days off, they'll come
Speaker 3: back fresh and and you know, let's be honest. The
Speaker 3: first one we're talking about is Joey Weisman. He is
Speaker 3: the defending Poco Cup champion. So with this actual schedule,
Speaker 3: he won't play every event, but he could play every event.
Speaker 3: I think he's going to get him. He might have
Speaker 3: to skip a couple of those single days, but he
Speaker 3: if he wanted to, he could play everything. And then
Speaker 3: that second week we're kind of back to normal. We
Speaker 3: hit we up the stakes, we go up to ten K,
Speaker 3: and it's those two day events all the way through
Speaker 3: to the twenty five K, sorry, the fifteen K finale,
Speaker 3: which is kind of the new thing this year. We
Speaker 3: as the players said, twenty five to much and you know,
Speaker 3: I've got something to kind of add to that once
Speaker 3: we get to that mailbag. But fifteen K finale, we're
Speaker 3: also going to try a satellite into that fifteen K
Speaker 3: for the first time, so when you really need the
Speaker 3: players to support that so we can keep that round.
Speaker 3: But yeah, looking forward to it. Ten events March first
Speaker 3: to fifteenth, New Trophies you know, I'm always excited about trophies.
Speaker 3: We've got new PoCA Go Cup trophies this year, both
Speaker 3: the big one and the little ones, so hopefully the
Speaker 3: players appreciate that as well.
Speaker 1: Well. I just wanted to ask you one thing. I
Speaker 1: don't think you hit on. Correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: if I'm a spaced out there, but I want to
Speaker 1: mention one thing and then I want to let you
Speaker 1: talk about one other thing.
Speaker 3: Is that.
Speaker 1: One thing I want to mention is that these events,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say this a lot this season, these
Speaker 1: events are open to everyone, okayed the buy and you
Speaker 1: just need to come play. I think the PGT events
Speaker 1: and the stuff that happens inside the Pokergro studio tends
Speaker 1: to get the rap that it's kind of invite only
Speaker 1: or you need some sort of qualifying criteria or whatever
Speaker 1: to get in there. No, the only thing you need
Speaker 1: is the money. If you want to play a five K,
Speaker 1: you need the five K. If you want to play
Speaker 1: a three K, you need a three K. If you
Speaker 1: want to play a twenty five K, you need twenty
Speaker 1: five K.
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 1: That's it. So you know you are welcome to come
Speaker 1: on in and play those events if they fit your schedule,
Speaker 1: if they fit your bank well, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: And then along those lines, there's a lot of satellites,
Speaker 1: right or two satellites for this, so.
Speaker 3: There's yeah, two satellites for the three K. Then is
Speaker 3: that that new twenty three hundred dollars satellite for the
Speaker 3: fifteen K.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you don't have the full bankrell, get
Speaker 1: into the satellites. I'm going to try and play some
Speaker 1: of those three hundred dollars satellites. Get into that three
Speaker 1: K opener. That's that's my jam right there. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, definitely check out PGT dot com slash schedule
Speaker 1: for all the events if if you know, if your
Speaker 1: bankroll is flush enough that you're able to gamble in
Speaker 1: there and can get in on the PGT or if
Speaker 1: if you know it's a little bit lower and you
Speaker 1: want some satellite offerings, they got those two. Overall, I
Speaker 1: think it'll be good. I'm curious how this this three
Speaker 1: K performs at the start. I think it's gonna do well.
Speaker 1: I think it's timed really well with everything that's happening
Speaker 1: in the Las Vegas. You know, you got WPT Venetian
Speaker 1: that's a five K You got thirty five hundred dollars
Speaker 1: win Millions Championship event, and then you got our three
Speaker 1: K Poker Rol Cup Showcase to open things up there.
Speaker 1: So you know, for that sort of price point player
Speaker 1: like that's like bang bang bang, you can do all three.
Speaker 1: It's a nice little stretch of stuff, you know. I
Speaker 1: know we often talk about poker in Las Vegas centered
Speaker 1: around everything in the summer and now centered around a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff in December, right, but I think this
Speaker 1: has become a quite a nice window as well with
Speaker 1: everything that's happening, this little six week stretch, five week
Speaker 1: stretch that's happening if you want to include the Mixed
Speaker 1: Game series a little bit, you know, longer of a stretch,
Speaker 1: but just for the kind of the big bet focus,
Speaker 1: the Nola Holdham focus, You're getting a really nice stretch
Speaker 1: of stuff at Venetian at Win and at the Poker
Speaker 1: Grol Studio. So definitely check out those schedules, try and
Speaker 1: pair it up. We would encourage you, of course to
Speaker 1: play the Poker Girl Cup opener and see if you
Speaker 1: guys can parlay that into something. But overall, just a
Speaker 1: really good time to play poker in Las Vegas. So
Speaker 1: so come on out. I know Tim and I will
Speaker 1: be playing a lot of that stuff, or trying to
Speaker 1: play a lot of that stuff at Venetion and and win,
Speaker 1: you know, leading into some of the stuff that happens
Speaker 1: at the studio when we have to work. So you
Speaker 1: can also see us around town say hello, chat it
Speaker 1: up a bit. Always love to meet the listeners. And
Speaker 1: then after that PLO baby, Yeah, we pumped he he's
Speaker 1: pumped for we talked all about the other day.
Speaker 2: Good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: We're heading over to the Venetian, Las Vegas for the
Speaker 3: new PLO series and it's a you know, look, if
Speaker 3: you thought us our previous PLO series a little too expensive,
Speaker 3: this one's for you. We're opening with a three kmi
Speaker 3: flight half a million dollar guarantee, and then we get
Speaker 3: into a stretch of five k two day high rollers.
Speaker 3: You know PLO. We've got a Cottro Brownie, we have
Speaker 3: a Mystery Bownie, and then we're doing the ten k
Speaker 3: PLO Championship half a million dollar guarantee there. This championship
Speaker 3: will be a really slow structure. You can register on
Speaker 3: the start of day too as well. It is unlimited
Speaker 3: re entries, and yeah, we're trying to give you know,
Speaker 3: a price point for players kind of basically resembling what
Speaker 3: we do with the one hundred k Super High Rollerball,
Speaker 3: but at a price point substantially less. And then on
Speaker 3: those final two days in March twenty eighth and twenty ninth,
Speaker 3: we're doing some single day five ks. So yes, it's
Speaker 3: a considerable cheaper series. That's what we normally do with
Speaker 3: the PGTPLO series, and we're just trying something different.
Speaker 2: Like I said, we made a lot of.
Speaker 3: These decisions pre the twenty twenty six so taking it
Speaker 3: into account what kind of what we would see with
Speaker 3: the taxes and all that stuff. And uh yeah, I
Speaker 3: think a lot of players of lacking this as you said,
Speaker 3: John Yordins, and a lot of the local guys are in.
Speaker 3: Hopefully we get you know, people traveling from Texas and
Speaker 3: wherever to come play the PGTPLO series of Venetian and
Speaker 3: you know what satellites. Yes, I'm the many satellites.
Speaker 1: Hiring into some of these satellites. I'm not a big
Speaker 1: PLO player, but I have been playing a bit more
Speaker 1: of it as of late. I really do like the game.
Speaker 1: I want to learn more of it. So I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm just ready to dive into a three K
Speaker 1: or higher right now. Yeah, but I'm certainly going to
Speaker 1: get into some of these satellites, try and win a
Speaker 1: seat and then try and go from there. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, this sort of offering is just going to
Speaker 1: be really great. I hope the hell it succeeds because
Speaker 1: I think it's it's an awesome idea. So yeah, if
Speaker 1: you love PLO, come support the damp thing.
Speaker 2: Let's go. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, basically, we have four satellite opportunities with three C
Speaker 3: guarantees into the thirty three hundred main event, and then
Speaker 3: the night before each of the five ks we have
Speaker 3: a five hundred and sixty dollar PLO satellite, and then
Speaker 3: the night before the PLO Championship we do an eleven
Speaker 3: hundred one, and then the night of day one we
Speaker 3: also do eleven hundred because you can obviously maxilate on
Speaker 3: day two. So lots of chances for people to take
Speaker 3: shots when a satellite seat getting to the you know,
Speaker 3: one of these PGTPLO series events.
Speaker 1: I love it. And again all the PGT stuff PGT
Speaker 1: dot com slash schedule, the satellites are listed there. Tim
Speaker 1: keeps that updated as much to date as he can.
Speaker 1: I know he's been trying to finalize the US poke
Speaker 1: groping schedule, for example, so once that becomes available, you know,
Speaker 1: if you don't hear about it on this podcast, you
Speaker 1: can just check that page pretty regularly. Of course, stay
Speaker 1: tuned to all the various Poker gro and pg social
Speaker 1: media channels as well for updates there. So that's where
Speaker 1: you can get all of your PGT stuff. Next up,
Speaker 1: it's mailbag time. Had a bunch of questions come in.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be answering four maybe five of them.
Speaker 1: I think one might be a two parter here, but
Speaker 1: we'll get into them. Tim will share our thoughts on this.
Speaker 1: First up, we got Andy Heidelberg who said, for the
Speaker 1: last few years there's been talk about how more people
Speaker 1: per year should be inducted into the Poker Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons for this is the amazing growth
Speaker 1: in numbers over the last ten to twenty thirty forty
Speaker 1: fifty years. How hard people would have laughed in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy nine if you said a thousand person main event,
Speaker 1: forget about ten thousand would happen growth means more. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, an influential voice is saying there
Speaker 1: are too many bracelets. Seems inconsistent to say more Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame but also say a fewer bracelets. Am I
Speaker 1: missing something? I want to say. The in influential voice
Speaker 1: is Josh Aria, I think was saying some bracelet stuff
Speaker 1: on Twitter. But you know, if I'm wrong, there, forgive me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll take this one first. I just think
Speaker 1: that I think that the two arguments are coming from
Speaker 1: different places. I'm not not necessarily going to tie them together.
Speaker 1: You know. I think when you're suggesting that there are
Speaker 1: too many bracelets, you know your guests. My guess is
Speaker 1: that that influential voice is saying that because he thinks
Speaker 1: the bracelets are a little bit more watered down or
Speaker 1: as watered down as they ever have been, and that
Speaker 1: there's more value in scarcity, which I do agree with there.
Speaker 1: And then as it relates to the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: I think that idea of wanting to put more in
Speaker 1: is that there's just at the rate of one year
Speaker 1: per many, and I know they did did two last
Speaker 1: year technically with the the the off the cuff one
Speaker 1: of Michael MSS Rocky when he won the main event.
Speaker 1: But at a rate of one per year, just with
Speaker 1: the current backlog of players that should likely qualify and
Speaker 1: get in, it's just never going to happen. So you
Speaker 1: got to kind of start getting more in there, so
Speaker 1: probably go to two per year, maybe three per year.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it should just be kind
Speaker 1: of a voting thing, and then you know, if you
Speaker 1: get a certain amount of votes, you're in. So like
Speaker 1: some years, maybe that's eight people get in. Some years
Speaker 1: maybe it's one person gets in. Like it's kind of
Speaker 1: all over the place. It's never just one. It's never
Speaker 1: like a set number of people get in. It's it's
Speaker 1: based on if you get the qualifying votes, then yes
Speaker 1: you should should get in, because there will be years,
Speaker 1: you know, in a perfect world, some years there might
Speaker 1: be a bunch of people that are eligible and qualify
Speaker 1: and people want to induct. In other years, maybe there's zero. Honestly,
Speaker 1: maybe no one deserves to get in in a given year.
Speaker 1: Who knows, you know. I can see how Andy here,
Speaker 1: you know, might think that there's a bit of an
Speaker 1: inconsistency with these two things. But I just don't particularly
Speaker 1: you know, draw the line as these two things being connected.
Speaker 1: I think they're rather two independent thoughts. And that's how
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the influence your voice, who talked
Speaker 1: about this is kind of kind of coming about it.
Speaker 3: Look, we're gont have a number of bracelets. We're basically
Speaker 3: averaging like two hundred and forty a year, and that
Speaker 3: number is not gonna go down. It might go down
Speaker 3: one or two, but it's not gonna go down dramatically.
Speaker 3: I think we're we're gonna have one hundred bracelet events
Speaker 3: this year. I think that's gonna be pretty much the cap.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have online, you're gonna have Europe, you're gonna
Speaker 3: have Paradise. You're gonna have an online series in October
Speaker 3: on both WSP and GG. Will we see WSP Macaw
Speaker 3: or Asia Pacific or Antarctica. Probably, So bracelets are going
Speaker 3: to go up. The real problem here is the Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame. And I'm gonna read you some names, Okay,
Speaker 3: Donnie Scott, Severer, Ben Lamb, Jeremy As, Josh Aria, Antonio
Speaker 3: s Fandiari, Mike Madison, Ted Forrest.
Speaker 2: Those people.
Speaker 3: Have already been up for nomination or have not been nominated.
Speaker 3: But they qualify. You know, whether you think they deserve
Speaker 3: to go in, that's up to you. But I would
Speaker 3: say probably yes to those guys. I'm going to read
Speaker 3: you another to set of names al.
Speaker 1: Ready, names did you give me just now?
Speaker 2: Like eight, one, two?
Speaker 1: I would say that I would say that probably probably
Speaker 1: four to five of them deserve to get in.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to give you the names of people,
Speaker 3: and I'm using a website. I'm not going to name
Speaker 3: the website. I'm going to give your names of people
Speaker 3: that are eligible in twenty twenty six, and you tell
Speaker 3: me if they're deserving. Okay, I'm going to read this
Speaker 3: in a particular order just to tell you. Jeffrey Platt nope, Okay.
Speaker 1: Do I even need to respond?
Speaker 2: Jonathan Tomayo.
Speaker 3: Nope, Okay, moving on, what is this website just polker
Speaker 3: half dot com? Okay, let's get a real name. Mike
Speaker 3: Grodinsky Okay, all right, Okay, John Raisner, No, okay. Jason
Speaker 3: Kohon Yeah, I mean he I think we have to.
Speaker 2: Look outside the world serious here, right, He's.
Speaker 1: The first one on that list that I would consider.
Speaker 1: I I personally, in my own thoughts, I think Hall
Speaker 1: of fame should be the absolute top of the top.
Speaker 1: This is not the Hall of very good, This is
Speaker 1: not the hall of you know, we're giving out ribbons
Speaker 1: for people. Know, this is the hall of the absolute elite.
Speaker 3: Okay, so then I'm going to give you the first
Speaker 3: ballant name for this year. My best friend in the
Speaker 3: poker world Sean Deep.
Speaker 1: Right, Shawn Deep's for sure in there.
Speaker 2: So, like, you know, we name some of those names.
Speaker 3: Now if we're only putting, Let's say, if we even
Speaker 3: put two this year and we put in Okay, Osmus
Speaker 3: and Deep. Hypothetically, you know, we still have some of
Speaker 3: these namess Fandiari, josh Aria. You know, I still think
Speaker 3: Mike Mattisons deserving pretty strong names. Let's just fast forward
Speaker 3: a little bit to twenty twenty seven. Throw a couple
Speaker 3: more names, are you real quick? And I'll stuff there.
Speaker 3: Jason Mercier, Tom Dwan, Chris and Foxon. You know, these
Speaker 3: people multi brace winners and obviously have careers that extend
Speaker 3: to the online fell and all around the world. And look,
Speaker 3: it's only going to get hotter and harder every year.
Speaker 3: So I think now they should be looking at this
Speaker 3: list that I'm looking at that has eligibility all the
Speaker 3: way to twenty thirty five and say, look, we're gonna
Speaker 3: have some issues coming up. Let's rethink this, let's make
Speaker 3: it three four five this year, and then now we're
Speaker 3: in a good spot going forward.
Speaker 1: One of the problems that I like wrestle with and
Speaker 1: I can't fully wrap my head around. Maybe you can
Speaker 1: help me with it, is that you know, you mentioned
Speaker 1: someone like Jeremy Osmas, you mentioned a Kristen Fox and right,
Speaker 1: And the reason you're mentioning that them is because they
Speaker 1: obviously have a certain number of accolades, and then they
Speaker 1: also meet the requirement of being forty years old. I
Speaker 1: think the age just has to go way up.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 1: My reason is, like Kristen Fox is a good example,
Speaker 1: is that she's kind of still right now in the
Speaker 1: peak of her powers. So if and when her name
Speaker 1: gets on the list, if the person's in the peak
Speaker 1: of their powers, you're gonna just kind of rate them higher, yep.
Speaker 1: Versus like let's say someone like a Jason Mercier for example,
Speaker 1: you know, he's just he's been out of the game,
Speaker 1: like not not out of the game. He's still in
Speaker 1: the game, of course, but like out of the spotlight
Speaker 1: of the game for a decent amount of time where
Speaker 1: you can look at it and you can say, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: is he still deserved to get in? And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people, myself included, would make the case
Speaker 1: that yes, Jason Mercier should get in. But I think
Speaker 1: that you need that time away to be able to
Speaker 1: look back on it as opposed to the person being
Speaker 1: front and center of your mind right now. Like if
Speaker 1: Kristin Foxen stopped playing poker today, or if Jeremie olismonth
Speaker 1: stopped playing poker today, or if for somebody who is
Speaker 1: like just turns forty stops playing poker. If if you
Speaker 1: fast forward twenty years, do you still look back on
Speaker 1: their career and say, this person's Hall of Fame worthy?
Speaker 1: Or are you only selecting them to be in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame because they're so in your face right now.
Speaker 1: So that's why I think, like you have to just
Speaker 1: and maybe the number of forty, the forty years old
Speaker 1: thing was made that way because years and years and
Speaker 1: years ago it was forty was just much older than
Speaker 1: forty is now. I mean, forty is.
Speaker 2: Like younges these days.
Speaker 1: So that's why that's why I struggle with the age
Speaker 1: thing because it's like a lot of these people that
Speaker 1: are nominated at forty are still just very much in
Speaker 1: your face and they probably get a bit of a
Speaker 1: boost from that. Now, that doesn't mean that they don't
Speaker 1: deserve to get in. I'm not saying that, right, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that there's still very much like in your
Speaker 1: face that when you're looking at two people, you might
Speaker 1: be you might shed it or shade it towards going
Speaker 1: to the person who's just more in your face at
Speaker 1: that time versus somebody who's not, because it's just front
Speaker 1: and center and it's all you know right now.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I have this theory with the Poker Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame, and you know, unfortunately, you know, someone we're
Speaker 3: pretty close with, Jeremy Osma, is probably not going to
Speaker 3: like what I'm going to say. But my theory with
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame is that when you're considering someone
Speaker 3: can if you're writing, you know, the history of poker,
Speaker 3: would they be in this book?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: The way I look at that is, unfortunately, Jeremy Osmus, no,
Speaker 3: you're probably not making If I was to write this book,
Speaker 3: you might not make it. Right now, someone like Scott
Speaker 3: Severa who didn't get who was nominated last year but
Speaker 3: didn't get in. Yeah, three bracelets Player of the Year.
Speaker 3: I think you would be in the book. Christen Foxon
Speaker 3: just domination as a female with bracelets and titles all around,
Speaker 3: she would probably be in that book. Now, someone else
Speaker 3: that would make it that probably won't get in. I
Speaker 3: think you can't write the book on the history of
Speaker 3: poker without mentioning Tom Dwan. So although he may not
Speaker 3: qualify in the current world, he would qualify in how
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like the Hall of Fame should
Speaker 3: be And obviously my theory it's going to knock a
Speaker 3: lot of these people out, but yeah, it's going to
Speaker 3: bring some people in that, you know, a lot of
Speaker 3: others may not think are deserving, such as you know,
Speaker 3: I think Mike Mattis or Ted Forrest. You know Ted
Speaker 3: Forrest winning was a three bracelets in three days back
Speaker 3: in then. You know, I think that in itself is
Speaker 3: an accomplishment that obviously will never be repeated due to
Speaker 3: the the way events are now, but even at the time,
Speaker 3: it's just something incredible and I don't think you could
Speaker 3: write that history of poker without him. You know, and
Speaker 3: as we go down the list and we start looking
Speaker 3: at you know, like I said, I think Tom Dwan.
Speaker 3: You know, if it's a history of poker, it's not
Speaker 3: just WSP. You have to look at WPT. You know,
Speaker 3: someone like a Darren Elias is going to he's going
Speaker 3: to shift up a little bit in the rankings. You know,
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about cash games, You're going to
Speaker 3: talk about the biggest parts in televised history. You know,
Speaker 3: Andrew Roebel is going to be moved up the rankings
Speaker 3: a little bit. We're going to look at the trying events.
Speaker 3: You're going to look at obviously Jason Kohn with all
Speaker 3: those titles, and you know, in a few years, who
Speaker 3: knows who else will be kind of with him. So
Speaker 3: that's the way I view the Hall of Fame. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm probably in the minority, but that's my take on it.
Speaker 3: But undercurrent you know, criteria and how many people they
Speaker 3: put in, it's going to be tough. And I think
Speaker 3: they need to change several aspects of it, such as
Speaker 3: I don't think the age they need to change, or
Speaker 3: they would help, but let a few more people in,
Speaker 3: you know, even if it's just going to two. Going
Speaker 3: to two would be a dramatic difference. I think going
Speaker 3: to three is fine with one of those, say every
Speaker 3: three years, being like an industry member. You know, they
Speaker 3: talk about Lana Normal, they talk about Mats Savage, they
Speaker 3: talk about you know, the industry side. You know, maybe
Speaker 3: one every five years or something, you vote one of
Speaker 3: those in. But yeah, I think some changes need to happen.
Speaker 3: I just I just don't know if they if they
Speaker 3: will do anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean listening, going to two is better than
Speaker 1: leaving it at one. Having the industry person thing every
Speaker 1: so many years is better. But I think the best
Speaker 1: way is just you get X amount of votes you're in,
Speaker 1: and there's there's a line like r x amount of
Speaker 1: points or however you want to do it. You know,
Speaker 1: every voter get I think.
Speaker 2: He had ten.
Speaker 3: I think he had ten votes, and you can assign
Speaker 3: them any way you want, so you can go one one,
Speaker 3: one on one, ten, ten, like ten and zero, five
Speaker 3: and five. So like you'd have to look at obviously,
Speaker 3: every time you add people that the amount of voting
Speaker 3: members goes up, so you'd have to kind of that vote.
Speaker 3: That line you're setting will have to adjust every year.
Speaker 1: I agree. I also think the voting needs to be
Speaker 1: open to certain industry members or members of the media
Speaker 1: that meet some sort of criteria or whatever. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: go as far as like the GPI did when they
Speaker 1: were having some of the people who had weighed in
Speaker 1: those awards. But I also wouldn't keep it to just
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame members. You know, I've had enough converse
Speaker 1: with just Hall of Fame members about it that I
Speaker 1: think that that's somewhat flawed and could be improved upon.
Speaker 2: So you could do it could be way.
Speaker 3: It could be twenty five percent media seventy five Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame members, but.
Speaker 1: There's definitely ways to improve it. I will say that
Speaker 1: I'm very I know we talk about this every single year.
Speaker 1: I kind of hate talking about it because I've just
Speaker 1: wanted to put it past me. But I will say
Speaker 1: that I think it's I think it's going to get changed.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it will get changed for this
Speaker 1: year or going forward, but I think there are changes coming.
Speaker 1: I have absolutely no insider info as it comes to that,
Speaker 1: other than the fact that I've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: changes in the last year and a half to two
Speaker 1: years under the gg poker ownership as it pertains to
Speaker 1: the DIVISIP. I think the biggest thing is, of course
Speaker 1: thesp plus app, you know, and I think I would
Speaker 1: I would imagine again, I have no insider info whatsoever,
Speaker 1: but I would imagine somebody like a Jeff Platt or
Speaker 1: a TJ. Reid is like, has this on their list
Speaker 1: of things they want to improve? You know.
Speaker 3: I wonder if now that you know Jeff does hopefully
Speaker 3: still listen to the pot and.
Speaker 2: The fact that I said his.
Speaker 1: Still screw him. No, But I think I think those
Speaker 1: changes will will eventually come. Michael Larimer, Hello, Greatest poker
Speaker 1: podcast in the line. That's damn right. Michael said he
Speaker 1: wanted to submit a couple of questions. Uh, when he
Speaker 1: sees top pros firing twelve bullets in the Superman I
Speaker 1: think the highest was fourteen. I believe it evaporates any
Speaker 1: desire I had to play. Do you think something needs
Speaker 1: to be done to curb entries? Or am I just overreacting?
Speaker 1: I'll go first. I can't say that I blame Michael
Speaker 1: for feeling this way. I I somewhat feel this way too,
Speaker 1: But I also think that it's just the nature of
Speaker 1: that Beast, that WISP Paradise Super Main Event Beast. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that that event and that that series is
Speaker 1: it's made a certain way. It's to cater to a
Speaker 1: certain type of poker player, and yeah, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: some shot takers, some qualifiers, some people chasing those promotions. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I think just just knowing that it's it's not
Speaker 1: supposed to be the same thing as the ws AP
Speaker 1: in the summer is I just personally don't view it
Speaker 1: like that. I don't think it's been put out like
Speaker 1: that in the start. I think it's just it's a
Speaker 1: dobasipy high roller series, super high roll issies. That's what
Speaker 1: it is, right, So if that stops you from playing it,
Speaker 1: I get it. I totally understand it. It's probably why
Speaker 1: I won't ever play it, because I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: going in there at a little bit of disadvantage. And
Speaker 1: that's not just with this event. I've opted to not
Speaker 1: take shots in some other events where I felt kind
Speaker 1: of the same way. The biggest one I think would
Speaker 1: be WBT five Diamond in the past, where you just
Speaker 1: know that people are in there for endless bullets and
Speaker 1: I might be able to fire one or two. Now,
Speaker 1: there's obviously some middle ground when you have these bigger
Speaker 1: buying events that have only like one entry per day
Speaker 1: or two entries per day or something like that, so
Speaker 1: you feel a little bit more on par with everyone else.
Speaker 1: But I can't blame Michael, and I'm sure many people
Speaker 1: feel this sort of way. But I also do think that,
Speaker 1: you know, the WSP Superman Event has its place in poker,
Speaker 1: like I think that it's again, it's an event catered
Speaker 1: towards the super high roll or crowd, and that's what
Speaker 1: it's designed for. I mean, even the structure itself is
Speaker 1: designed to pump as many bolts in the damn thing
Speaker 1: as possible, right, So I think that it's fine. You know,
Speaker 1: if it turns you off from playing it, I get it,
Speaker 1: you know, but you're always going to have the w
Speaker 1: SP Man Event in the summer, which is still the
Speaker 1: biggest and best tournament in the world. So you know,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't worry too much about not being able to
Speaker 1: play this event or not wanting to play it for
Speaker 1: that reason, because there is still a lot of poker. Now,
Speaker 1: let's say, in some crazy hypothetical world, if they were
Speaker 1: to have taken what they did with the WSP Superman
Speaker 1: event and make that the new w SP main event
Speaker 1: in the summer. Then I think, Okay, everyone freak out,
Speaker 1: and that's just over the line. But they're two different things.
Speaker 1: They're offered in two different places, two different you know,
Speaker 1: two very different times times of the year. So I
Speaker 1: think it's fine to have both of them. But I
Speaker 1: do understand where's coming from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, firstly, congrats on you, Michael for having potentially
Speaker 3: twenty five K play.
Speaker 2: But how rich, Yeah, how rich.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a world for these kind of events,
Speaker 3: and there's obviously worlds for the ten K freeze out.
Speaker 3: I think you have to offer variety for all the
Speaker 3: poker players out there, and yes, this does appeal to
Speaker 3: you know, the top pros being able to fly, you know,
Speaker 3: fire endless bullets. Now that sounds like it's not for you.
Speaker 3: It's definitely not for me, it's probably not for Donnie.
Speaker 3: So we just go find something else to play. That's
Speaker 3: the beauty of poker in the last few years that
Speaker 3: we've just had this you know, gluttony of events and
Speaker 3: options all around the world and all around the city
Speaker 3: you're in, you know, obviously us being in Las Vegas
Speaker 3: is you know, a luxury, So yeah, you can kind
Speaker 3: of pick and choose. Does it, you know, hurt poker
Speaker 3: a little bit, But it's like I said, it's these
Speaker 3: events are not that you know, there's not endless multi
Speaker 3: flyer twenty five k's, multi entry twenty five k's all
Speaker 3: around the world, So I think it's fine.
Speaker 2: You obviously get to choose to play it.
Speaker 3: I don't think we need a curb re entries because
Speaker 3: when you look at it from the industry side of things,
Speaker 3: that's where you know that extra revenue comes in for
Speaker 3: these poker rooms. So I don't think re entries will
Speaker 3: ever go away. They have to just find a balance
Speaker 3: with freeze outs, and you have to find a balance
Speaker 3: with the buy ins, and you have to find a
Speaker 3: balance with the type of events you're offering. All these
Speaker 3: companies want to they all want a money grab, They
Speaker 3: all want as much riag as they can, but they
Speaker 3: I think a lot of them are still trying to protect,
Speaker 3: you know, what poker is, whether that's with freeze outs
Speaker 3: or with the events that you know, if WSP cared
Speaker 3: about money, they would probably never run a mixed game tournament.
Speaker 3: Let's be honest, everything would be multi entry, multi flying
Speaker 3: elemen hold them in pay a lot. But look, it's
Speaker 3: obviously they still care about you know, they still care
Speaker 3: about the brands, still care about the game because you know,
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred Horse and Dealer's Choice and Raz and they're
Speaker 3: all still on the schedule. So yeah, that's kind of
Speaker 3: my take on it.
Speaker 1: And then the second part here to Michael's question, he said,
Speaker 1: you also love to hear our thoughts on the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six tax deduction change. From my perspective, it seems
Speaker 1: pretty devastating. What's the best case you've heard for the
Speaker 1: whole thing being overblown? Where do you land on the debate?
Speaker 1: I know, Tim and I've talked about this a little
Speaker 1: bit in the past. Right now, where I stand is
Speaker 1: that I obviously don't think it's a good thing. You know,
Speaker 1: anytime you're trying to take more money out of the
Speaker 1: pockets of poker players, it's not a good thing. But
Speaker 1: I would also guess that it's not going to slow
Speaker 1: down much, both in the greater poker sense and then
Speaker 1: also for me personally. I mean, listen, these are just
Speaker 1: kind of the new rules, the new guidelines that we
Speaker 1: have to play by, and it's gonna be a little
Speaker 1: bit of more money out of everyone's pocket. But that's
Speaker 1: just how it is. There's nothing we can do really
Speaker 1: to change anything. You know. Obviously we can try and
Speaker 1: voice our support to get it taken away, to get
Speaker 1: it reverted back to what it was, and and hopefully
Speaker 1: that does happen. So I'll kind of try and remain
Speaker 1: positive in that light. But overall, I would say generally
Speaker 1: it's it's probably more overblown than not. You know, again,
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want you to confuse me
Speaker 1: or twist what I'm saying in that it's I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a positive thing. I don't think it's something
Speaker 1: that we should just completely ignore to the extent that
Speaker 1: we're not trying to fix it. But I do think that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a little bit overblown and like all
Speaker 1: these people out there saying like no one's gonna play
Speaker 1: poker anymore, And if I said that in the past,
Speaker 1: I've definitely changed my tune on it. Just also seeing
Speaker 1: some of the numbers, like I think we'll still see
Speaker 1: the biggest pullback in the really high buy and stuff,
Speaker 1: and then it'll kind of just scale from there and
Speaker 1: just be more normal as you get down to like
Speaker 1: the the price points that like Tim and myself play.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, I think it's also going to
Speaker 1: be kind of a wait and see approach, at least
Speaker 1: for this year. People are just gonna be doing whatever
Speaker 1: they do and then tax season will come around, then
Speaker 1: maybe they get hit, then maybe they adjust for the
Speaker 1: next year. But for this year, I don't really say
Speaker 1: it's going to affect poker overall too much. I think
Speaker 1: the number of venues that are running big tournament series
Speaker 1: against one another is going to have a greater effect
Speaker 1: on poker in terms of like tournament numbers then this
Speaker 1: tax thing will. That's kind of where I'm at in it.
Speaker 1: So what do you got?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we've had discussions about this, and we
Speaker 3: thought it was going to be a big drop off,
Speaker 3: and then we ran a series that had record breaking numbers.
Speaker 3: So it's hard to really feel like what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Just we know what they've told us, what players have
Speaker 3: told us, whether or not they follow through with that,
Speaker 3: it's kind of out of our control. Just the biggest
Speaker 3: stuff to not be at all attended very well around
Speaker 3: the States outside of the world series. And like we
Speaker 3: touched on earlier in the episode, seven are already pulling
Speaker 3: back removing their twenty five k's. We've pulled back, you know,
Speaker 3: adjusting our twenty five k's as well. Will we see
Speaker 3: a reversal possibly? Will we see creative accountancy? Most likely?
Speaker 3: And I think it's going to be the most adjustments
Speaker 3: will probably later in the year, when you know people
Speaker 3: are stuck a lot or they're up a lot, and
Speaker 3: they'll make you know their adjustments according to what you
Speaker 3: know their accountant kind of recommends.
Speaker 1: And then we have Lars Swanson who says I've been
Speaker 1: playing a lot of Duce to seven single draw tournaments recently.
Speaker 1: I also hate bounty tournaments. They are terrible and negate
Speaker 1: the inherent benefits of tournament poker. However, I have played
Speaker 1: a lot of them online, and the mechanics of a
Speaker 1: bounty tournament and of Duce to seven singles are all
Speaker 1: line up really well. I'm not your target demographic of
Speaker 1: someone who would buy into a three thousand dollars due
Speaker 1: to seven Nolmit mystery boundy, but I do think it
Speaker 1: would be funny, fun to watch excuse me, and the
Speaker 1: two concepts fit together. So I think what Lars is
Speaker 1: getting at here is he thinks if we were to
Speaker 1: host or he suggests maybe exploring hosting a bigger buying
Speaker 1: no limit due to seven single draw tournament that is
Speaker 1: also a bounty, which sounds interesting. I think it could
Speaker 1: be fun as a relations I'm not sure where we
Speaker 1: would put it in, but I could certainly see this
Speaker 1: being a thing. I don't know if I would do
Speaker 1: mystery bounty. Maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't, but I
Speaker 1: think it would be cool to do this.
Speaker 3: It'd be just for the seventy three people that play it.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of our events, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's oh our I was talking about serious?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean I don't think I would.
Speaker 3: Get seven players.
Speaker 2: I think it's too niche. Like it's like, I mean,
Speaker 2: the Big Mix was too niche.
Speaker 1: Like, No, I get that you're offering five card draw
Speaker 1: and pot limit triple draw.
Speaker 3: Great games, blood games. Let's talk about it from a
Speaker 3: more of a world serious perspective. I think it's easier.
Speaker 3: You know, they have a fifteen hundred, they have a
Speaker 3: ten k, you know, three K fine price. I think
Speaker 3: the mystery boundy would possibly scare people off, but you
Speaker 3: are right, it does kind of align no limbit single
Speaker 3: drawer in bounding. There is some alignment there. But you know,
Speaker 3: when you start adding things to a poker tournament, you know,
Speaker 3: so for here we're going from no limit produce to
Speaker 3: seven and now we're adding a bounding. It just shrinks
Speaker 3: the potential player for the buying goes up, shrinks it
Speaker 3: even more.
Speaker 2: And although it would be a.
Speaker 3: Cool event, if I had money, I would play it,
Speaker 3: I don't think it would be well attended. The cool
Speaker 3: idea maybe online, you know it would, it would fit better.
Speaker 1: You know. One of the events that a lot of
Speaker 1: the people were talking about was they're mostly talking about
Speaker 1: during the mixed series, but a three game draw event
Speaker 1: duce to seven draw. Did you hear about this?
Speaker 3: I suggested that originally as the replacement for Morey's mix.
Speaker 1: Well, why didn't you do it? Are you in charge.
Speaker 2: Against it? They were against the.
Speaker 1: Duce to seven triple draw, pot limit duce to seven
Speaker 1: double draw, and no limit duce to seven single draw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, win Win's done it before. That's how I got
Speaker 3: the idea. And the double draw scared people off because
Speaker 3: they haven't played double draw. Double draw is much better
Speaker 3: for pot limit, and you know, would that get more
Speaker 3: entries in the Big Bet Mix? Probably not, so we
Speaker 3: went Big Bet Mix.
Speaker 2: Originally.
Speaker 3: That was actually my first thought on that event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Joe Jackson the final one here from
Speaker 1: the mid shuless Joe Jackson. Yeah, he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: just he's back and he submitted questions to the podcast
Speaker 1: that book gown dot. I would like to hear more
Speaker 1: about staking by an action, et cetera as it relates
Speaker 1: to the top pros. I'm sure it varies greatly, but
Speaker 1: can you give any insight as to how much the
Speaker 1: top tier pros are backing themselves versus hedging with some
Speaker 1: sort of backing agreements, And specifically someone like Daniel and Legranu.
Speaker 1: I'm sure his deal with GIGI is extremely rich, but
Speaker 1: would that be a part of the arrangement also turning
Speaker 1: buy ins at a certain level or a percentage. I
Speaker 1: don't know Daniel's deal, I won't pretend to know his deal,
Speaker 1: but I do know that various sponsorship deals in the
Speaker 1: past have allotted all, if not part of, like the
Speaker 1: sponsorship money in buy ins. I think that's what Poker
Speaker 1: Stars used to do for some of their ambassadors. For example,
Speaker 1: you get like this fee per year, but then you
Speaker 1: also get like x amount of tournament dollars that you
Speaker 1: can use to go play, like you know, the epts
Speaker 1: and apts and like all that sort of stuff. So
Speaker 1: maybe someone like Daniel has that worked in, or maybe
Speaker 1: other pros have that worked in for various places like
Speaker 1: let's say you know a ramp or brad Owen where
Speaker 1: they're associated with WPT in a way there, so maybe
Speaker 1: that's built in. So I would say it just kind
Speaker 1: of comes down to the the specific deal and how
Speaker 1: that deal is worked out. If it was me, I
Speaker 1: would probably try and lead to some sort of both
Speaker 1: of them, you know. I like, i'd want the fee
Speaker 1: right to just be like kind of my salary, my income,
Speaker 1: Like I'd want that as like some support. But then
Speaker 1: i'd want like the tournament buyings as well. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: put it all in one bucket. I'd like to bet
Speaker 1: on some upside with the tournament buying stuff, but I
Speaker 1: also what wouldn't want to put it all on that
Speaker 1: sort of upside. So so that's how those work out.
Speaker 1: A lot of action and staking and peace buying and
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff for the high rollers. Of course,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of guys that share a
Speaker 1: lot of action. There's a lot of people that swap
Speaker 1: with one another. You know, even someone like Danon and Granu.
Speaker 1: You know, he every single year he puts out different
Speaker 1: packages for the different WSOP events. He does one in
Speaker 1: the summer where he puts stuff on poker Steak. He
Speaker 1: does one for ws Paradise where he puts it on
Speaker 1: poker Steak. So even he's not playing, you know, one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of his own action, you know, he's got
Speaker 1: some of that allotted out there. Now. Maybe Daniel's doing
Speaker 1: it more so just to like kind of give back
Speaker 1: to the fans and grow his follower base and all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, versus like he actually needs to
Speaker 1: do it for the money. But there's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff out there. You know, a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't have one hundred percent of themselves, even down to
Speaker 1: lower buyings. It's just a way to reduce variants. I
Speaker 1: regularly sell action in myself for various things. You know,
Speaker 1: I sold for this eight hundred play that I played
Speaker 1: over the weekend. You know, just a little bit, but
Speaker 1: it's still you know, it's good to have your friends
Speaker 1: sweating along. I also know that, at least as it
Speaker 1: pertains to me, friends want to get involved, like they
Speaker 1: almost get annoyed me. You don't sell them a piece
Speaker 1: because they just want to be in on the action.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a lot of it that just goes around.
Speaker 1: And then the staking and the backing deals are just
Speaker 1: they're kind of all over the place. You know, you
Speaker 1: have stuff that's just like what I do, for example,
Speaker 1: where it's not it's not any sort of agreement with people.
Speaker 1: I just hey, I'm going to go play this event.
Speaker 1: Would you like the action? They buy it as a
Speaker 1: one off, and once it's done, it done. I either
Speaker 1: give them money back or they send me money for
Speaker 1: their shares and that's it. There's no makeup. There's none
Speaker 1: of that. Other ones have you know, lengthy makeup deals
Speaker 1: and contracts and you know you only get fifty percent
Speaker 1: and then you know, but if we're down and if
Speaker 1: you're in makeup, I get higher percentage or whatever. Like
Speaker 1: there's all there's all different levels of it all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's not really a one size fits all. A lot
Speaker 1: of it's unknown and you kind of have to piece
Speaker 1: together information. Some people are very upfront about it and
Speaker 1: they'll just tell you flat up, flat out. Other people aren't,
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, like I think when when Espin
Speaker 1: Yourstad won the main event a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: he was pretty upfront with like how much he had,
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I had whatever fifty percent of
Speaker 1: myself or whatever the heck he said stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, you're in these circles, what do
Speaker 1: you got? Probably the same thing.
Speaker 3: The first thought on the Grano is he probably I
Speaker 3: would say his deal is more ownership base because and
Speaker 3: really need any money. But moving on to like the pros.
Speaker 3: I've been talking to these guys quite a lot recently
Speaker 3: about this stuff, and what I've kind of always thought
Speaker 3: that kind of really got confirmed was, you know, especially
Speaker 3: with our players, you know, the three k's, the five
Speaker 3: k's and the ten k's is normally on their own dime.
Speaker 3: It's when they start getting over that they're looking to
Speaker 3: sell off pieces or people are looking to buy, you know,
Speaker 3: spread that risk a little bit.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: That's not for everyone. Obviously, you have people that where
Speaker 3: five k's are a stretch, they're selling and you won't
Speaker 3: seem in any ten case, but seems like the consensus
Speaker 3: is ten k's is pretty pretty easy for them just
Speaker 3: to play out of their own pocket. It's anything above
Speaker 3: that they start kind of feeling out for, you know,
Speaker 3: swaps or percentages. And I think in every event there's
Speaker 3: probably you know, a swap here or there, or hey,
Speaker 3: let me get a sweat here and there. But you know,
Speaker 3: everyone's different. You know, we know that there's certain people
Speaker 3: that buy a lot of pieces of every one, and
Speaker 3: you know, they're the big piece buyers, and and you
Speaker 3: know with that, you're gonna have to assume that even
Speaker 3: some of these top guys, even the you know, potentially
Speaker 3: even the Jeremy Osmus of the world and and you
Speaker 3: the Steven Songs all the they probably do have coaches
Speaker 3: and a lot of these new coaching deals nowadays involved
Speaker 3: and I'll coach you for this, but I also get,
Speaker 3: you know, X percentage of these events, et cetera. So
Speaker 3: I think everyone's deals different. Just the higher buyings you go, obviously,
Speaker 3: the more risk needs to be kind of spread out
Speaker 3: a little bit. Yeah, it's it's it's always an interesting thing.
Speaker 3: I always like to hear about this stuff. I was
Speaker 3: going to see who's who's who's the big spender, who
Speaker 3: buys the most pieces, you know, who who's coaching, who
Speaker 3: who's in under you know, who's stable. I find that
Speaker 3: stuff like really interesting but obviously quite private to a
Speaker 3: lot of these guys, so you won't really hear too
Speaker 3: much about it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, interests me quite a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's always certainly interesting, which I'm sure is
Speaker 1: why shoeless Georgie Action over here decided to come up
Speaker 1: from the grave. And yeah, right right us this uh,
Speaker 1: this question into the mail bag. But no, in all serious, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is super interesting, but everything's just different, and you know,
Speaker 1: some players are very upfront with it. Some obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: like to stay private with it. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: Tim can, Tim and I can only really talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the stuff that we no firsthand
Speaker 1: or that we know is out there in the public.
Speaker 1: And yeah, but yeah, I think, yeah, I mean, Daniel's
Speaker 1: always been pretty open. I would say he probably just
Speaker 1: takes all his own action other than the times when
Speaker 1: he you know, puts it on poker steak like that.
Speaker 2: He's putting it on poker stake too, to give the
Speaker 2: people yeah, more than thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, no, no, for sure.
Speaker 2: We all appreciate Daniel, please keep doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's incredible. We talk about it
Speaker 1: every year that we can get action in this thing.
Speaker 1: We we love to buy the action and sweat along
Speaker 1: with him. So and also, like you know, you can,
Speaker 1: you know, for for Joe or anyone else who is
Speaker 1: interested in this sort of thing, you can just go
Speaker 1: to poker steak dot com. You know, you can also
Speaker 1: go to Sta Kings and you can just kind of
Speaker 1: see who's out there selling action. A lot of people
Speaker 1: put stuff on social media. They say, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm playing this series, I'm selling action whatever. Like you
Speaker 1: can find some information as to who's selling who's not,
Speaker 1: you know, how much action they're keeping of themselves, all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. Like it's it's available, you know,
Speaker 1: at least to some extent if you want to, if
Speaker 1: you want to dig around a bit. So yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: well that's going to do it for us. We went
Speaker 1: way too long, but it is what it is. It's
Speaker 1: been a while, so all good. Two days of No
Speaker 1: Gamble in the Future Live coming on Tuesday and Wednesday
Speaker 1: this week, and then of course we have the Poker
Speaker 1: ro Cup that is coming up at the beginning of
Speaker 1: March for the first two weeks, a lot of streaming
Speaker 1: there as well. So so yeah, so that's going to
Speaker 1: do it for Tim and I. As we talked about
Speaker 1: at the top of the show, we will be coming
Speaker 1: to you with our WSOP schedule thoughts in the coming days,
Speaker 1: up to a week or something like that. We'll you know,
Speaker 1: we'll get to crack in on what we think about
Speaker 1: the schedule. You know, I've already seen on social media.
Speaker 1: There's a handful of submissions, there's a handful of new
Speaker 1: events in there. So we'll be touching on it all
Speaker 1: on the next show. All right, Cool, that's gonna do
Speaker 1: it for us. We got nothing else, right, all right?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 1: For Tim Duckworth. My name is Donny Peters. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to you guys next time.