WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:12.960 Hello everyone, and welcome back to a new episode of 2 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:16.559 the Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters and 3 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:21.960 I am joined by Tim Duckworth. It is Monday, February sixteenth. 4 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:24.000 It is some holiday that I don't even know what 5 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:26.039 holiday it is. I just know that my kids are 6 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:29.800 off from school, which is extremely annoying. Yeah, I mean, 7 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:33.079 when you pay money for the kids to go to school, 8 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:34.479 they should always go. 9 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:36.000 To school, right with you? 10 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:40.640 Or my monthly whatever the heck it's called. What's it 11 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:45.240 called fee? Yeah, tuition, couldn't think of that word for 12 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:47.479 the life of me. The monthly tuition should should go down, 13 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:49.240 it should be cut. Like this is just this is 14 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:51.320 how it is. You can't just be taking mondays off. 15 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:54.240 This is not how this works anyways. 16 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:57.799 Listen, in my son's first year of school, we had 17 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:01.840 more days off for like President's Day and all these 18 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:04.560 things then I had in thirteen years of school. 19 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:06.560 In Australia, it's President's Day. 20 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:09.480 Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't understand it. Maybe 21 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:13.560 this is why this country's not intelligent anymore. Too many 22 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:14.519 days off in school. 23 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:19.200 It's not that they're not intelligent anymore, it's it's just 24 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:22.879 that they're too soft and actually speaking that intelligence factor. 25 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:24.959 By the way, it's two ten pm. I got to 26 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:26.599 point out the time as always two ten pm on 27 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:29.239 Monday February sixteen, when I was playing poker over the 28 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:32.120 weekend at Venetian there was a gentleman at my table 29 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:35.719 from Europe and he said, in Europe, none of their 30 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:41.719 tests that they have in school have multiple choice answers 31 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:44.079 or possibilities on them, you know how like you go 32 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:45.719 to a test it says what's his collar and it 33 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:49.680 gives you a through D or whatever. And he said, 34 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:51.799 you know, he said, it's just you either know the 35 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:54.079 answer or you don't. You write it in on the line, 36 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:56.079 and that's that. And that makes a lot of sense 37 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:59.879 to me. Again, it just goes back to just every 38 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.239 one here is soft. I guess and we're having multiple 39 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:04.359 choice and you know, the worst you can do if 40 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:06.760 you just guess blindly as twenty five percent, which is 41 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:09.879 kind of ridiculous, like know the answer or we don't 42 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:11.120 know the answer. End of story. 43 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:12.080 Yeah. 44 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:17.000 So anyway, enough of that rambling. So on today's episode, 45 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:19.879 we're gonna talk a lot of PGT PGT kickoff. That's 46 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:22.000 wrapped up. We're gonna hit on that PGT Mixed Games 47 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:23.919 that's wrapped up. We're gonna hit on that Super High 48 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:27.039 Rollerble Mixed Games is also wrapped up. We're gonna hit 49 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:30.400 on that. We're also going to do our mailbag episode, 50 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:32.120 which we have a bunch of questions from. We are 51 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:35.039 not going to talk about the WSITV schedule, just putting 52 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:37.520 that out there, and the reason is is because Tim 53 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:39.520 and I it just dropped today, Yes, but Tim and 54 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:42.599 I like to digest it, actually come with some coherent, 55 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:47.319 somewhat coherent thoughts on it, and not just be shooting 56 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:49.599 from the hip. We do enough shooting on the hip, 57 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.800 but for the very important topics such as the WSITV 58 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:55.520 schedule that drops every single year, we're gonna We're gonna 59 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:57.960 leave that to either the next episode or maybe the 60 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:01.319 next episode after that, but we'll get to it. Digest 61 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:04.039 our thoughts, come with some takes, all that sort of stuff. 62 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:06.360 So that is that is coming, that is on the horizon. 63 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.360 So if you're expecting that on this episode, sorry, you 64 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:12.560 just ain't getting it. As always, if you are listening, 65 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:16.199 please leave a review, hit the favorite button, subscribe if 66 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:18.159 that's what you can do on your podcast, catch or 67 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:20.199 whatever it is. It does help us grow and it 68 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:23.240 is very much appreciated. Shout out to everyone who did 69 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:26.759 submit a question or just a suggestion as my dogs 70 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:30.199 go nuts for the mailbag that's coming up at the 71 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:32.319 end of the episode. If you guys ever want to 72 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:35.919 drop us a line podcast at PokerGO dot com and 73 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:37.680 we might read it on air. 74 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:40.840 Don't you have a door? But can't you shut you 75 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:41.400 office door? 76 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:42.919 I don't have a door to my office. 77 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:45.319 That is that's maybe the first thing you should handle. 78 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:48.879 It is number one on the next projects of the 79 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:52.719 house list is the door on the office. 80 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:56.120 Also the guy if you want if you need a handyman, I. 81 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:58.560 Mean I have a guy too. It's just just getting 82 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:00.840 around to doing it, you know, saving up some money 83 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:02.400 to get it done because I kind of want to 84 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:04.120 do a bunch of different things with the office in here, 85 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:08.039 the door being one of them. It's also it's it's 86 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:11.080 an enlarged entryway because it's basically just the hallway, so 87 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:12.599 you're gonna have to kind of reframe it. 88 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:16.519 And maybe it's a double door. Yeah, the doors that 89 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:18.720 a is a French like a French door, like a 90 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:19.480 French double. 91 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:21.519 I don't know. I mean, I don't know. We'll see 92 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:23.639 how it goes. I want to put some shelving in 93 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:25.600 here and whatever, and it would kind of benefit the 94 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.160 house in that. I think it's a rule that you 95 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:29.920 have to have a door on it in order for 96 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:31.319 it to be counted as a bedroom. 97 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:35.800 Like officially you have a door and a window. 98 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:39.360 Right, there's a window. Yeah, I think that's the closet, 99 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:42.639 and I just think you need a closet that I 100 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:43.399 think that's the rule. 101 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:46.360 I don't know there's something like that, right, but I 102 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:48.079 think door is one of them. So need to put 103 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:49.560 a door there for it to be counted as a 104 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:52.079 as a bedroom. If for whatever reason we go to 105 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:53.360 sell the house and you know, it goes up in 106 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:55.079 value or whatever. But that's it's on the top of 107 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:57.839 the list, and it's going to happen eventually. It's just 108 00:04:57.879 --> 00:04:59.560 a matter of when I can get around to it. 109 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:01.319 If I just stop playing too much poker in my 110 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:03.839 downtime and actually get around to doing something that my 111 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:05.600 wife would like me to do, that would be great. 112 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:08.720 Can't put the dogs outside, though, buddy, because coyotes in 113 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:11.279 the area. Two small dogs that'd just be a recipe 114 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:14.000 for disaster, so not doing that. I guess I could 115 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:17.720 go full Daniel and the gronding style thing, but I'm 116 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:21.120 just not rich enough to do something like that. So 117 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:22.160 there's that. 118 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:25.120 That's just some chicken wire man. 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PGT Kickoff Event 146 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:53.560 number one, Andrew Lichtenberger won the event one hundred and 147 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:56.079 sixty two thousand dollars, the same event he won a 148 00:06:56.079 --> 00:07:00.639 season ago. He asked right now after he won, if 149 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:02.720 he was the first person to go back to back 150 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:05.439 in the same event. That is not true, or he's not. 151 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:09.959 Kristin Foxen did it. She did in the final event 152 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:14.600 of the PGT Kickoff series. And I think it's only. 153 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:19.120 Those two, right, I think so. 154 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:20.839 And I know we'll touch on it, but Kristin Foxen 155 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:24.000 almost did the three P when she finished. She actually 156 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.839 finished seventh in event number five at PGT Kickoff, which 157 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:31.319 is the event that she won the two past seasons. 158 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.759 Event number two. Brian Battistone won that for one hundred 159 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:37.399 and seventy three thousand, Event number three Andrew moreto one 160 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.920 hundred and sixty two thousand. Event number three, Andrew Moreno 161 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:44.199 and Jim Colpy made a deal during heads up play. 162 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:47.480 Moreno took home one hundred and sixty two thousand dollars. There, 163 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:49.920 Taylor Parr one hundred and seventy four thousand dollars for 164 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:53.160 winning the event number four e at number five, Michael Burke 165 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:57.240 two hundred and sixty two thousand dollars. That's the biggest 166 00:07:57.879 --> 00:08:01.519 prize first place prize from this series. And then Aril 167 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:04.959 Mantel and event number six one hundred and seventy one 168 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:08.519 thousand dollars for him. He topped Clement Dang and denied 169 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:12.920 Clement Dang a second title. Three cashes were had by 170 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:18.120 Andrew Lichtenberger, Dan Smith, Clemen Dang, Dan Maher, Patrick, Leonard, A. K. 171 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:22.800 Pads and John Reordan and then after the series was 172 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:27.160 all finished, Andrew Lichtenberger topped the PGT leaderboard of five 173 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:30.319 hundred and thirty one points. What say you on the 174 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:31.120 kickoff series? 175 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:37.519 My man, it was very impressive. It we saw numbers 176 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:43.159 that I don't think anyone was expecting. Obviously I had discussed, 177 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.960 you know, let's be prepared for a decline. It went 178 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:50.960 literally the other way. And for the laugh of me, 179 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:56.000 I cannot tell you how why that happened. But hey, 180 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.639 we're not going to complain, you know, we want to 181 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:02.320 compare it kind of to the previous year where we 182 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:06.600 were looking at, basically in the five case averaging basically 183 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:09.799 you know, one hundred and five entrants. This year we 184 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:12.679 went up to you know, one hundred and thirty five entrants, 185 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:14.919 one hundred and fifty one entrance, one fifty nine one, 186 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:18.360 like just absolutely kind of ginormous numbers. 187 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:20.440 Window wise. It was great. 188 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:22.679 It was after the Borgata had finished, it was after 189 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.519 Seminole had finished. We saw you know, ten to fifteen 190 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:30.200 players that had never been in the studio partaking those 191 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:33.039 first few events. Plus we saw people you know coming 192 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.080 out that hadn't played in a while, and obviously, you know, 193 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:38.200 we were still missing some of our regulars too, for 194 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:43.360 whatever reason that may be. So yeah, look, we came 195 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:45.600 into the year, the season talking about all the tax 196 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:48.200 issues and you know what was that going to mean 197 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:51.919 for poker or you know, we used that seminal data 198 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:55.720 where we saw pretty steep decline in the twenty five k's, 199 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:57.799 and you know what, maybe it's just the fact that 200 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:00.320 like some of these guys are you you know, they're 201 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.200 going to concentrate on that five K buying. You know, 202 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:05.879 we always discuss that we think threes and fives are 203 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:07.919 just like the best price point here in America. And 204 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:12.000 with the numbers that we had at kickoff, you know, 205 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:14.120 you look in totally, we had one hundred and twenty 206 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:17.080 eight unique players, which is, you know, one of our 207 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:20.879 biggest kind of showings for a series. And you know, 208 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:24.799 the five case they're just gonna they're just the beast. 209 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:26.720 And we're going to do a few more of those 210 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:30.000 this year. And obviously as the year kind of goes on, 211 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:34.279 we'll see, we'll see how the rate of play kind 212 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:36.519 of evolves. Hearing from players, they're going to kind of 213 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:40.080 take shots early and if things go south, they'll slow down. 214 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:43.039 If things go well, they'll kind of keep playing, so 215 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:45.360 we're going to make adjustments every series. 216 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:45.519 You know. 217 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:47.879 Obviously we have our next big No Limbit series coming 218 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:51.320 up in March, and you know, who knows what. 219 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:51.679 That will bring. 220 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:54.039 Is that going to be bring record breaking numbers or 221 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:56.000 are we going to see what I kind of expected 222 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.679 a little bit of a trickle off. So, like I said, 223 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:02.080 don't really have an answer, which is unlike me, but 224 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:04.000 it was just great. 225 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:05.759 It was just great because one of the one of 226 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:09.159 the mailbag questions kind of pertains to the tax situation. 227 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:10.679 So I guess we'll hit on it a little bit 228 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:13.679 more later. But I wanted to jump in and ask 229 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.360 you because you hit on or you briefly mentioned those 230 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:18.600 those Seminal numbers. Do you do you have those numbers? 231 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:20.279 Did you remember exactly what happened there? 232 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:23.679 Yeah, somewhere I believe. 233 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:25.639 One of the twenty five k's was canceled. 234 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:30.159 Yeah, So look, and I spoke with you know, Jason 235 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:34.559 Heidenthal who runs Seminal, about a week ago, so we 236 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:36.600 had a little discussion. Look, I made a big tweet 237 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:38.519 about it, and he kind of actually thanked me for, 238 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:41.000 you know, being able to take that to his higher 239 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:43.080 apps and say, hey, we need to adjust our schedule. 240 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:47.080 They did just release their upcoming April schedule and they've 241 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:47.879 made those adjustments. 242 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:49.519 So that's really good to say. I'm not saying it's 243 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:50.120 on me. 244 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.519 I think it's just adjustments. I see no twenty five K. 245 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:56.039 Yeah, that's the big adjustment. So over the last few years, 246 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:59.120 you know, they've done a variety of events, seminal in January, 247 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.159 always at the thirty five hundred main event. Those numbers 248 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:05.080 kind of pretty dropped pretty heavily of the last few 249 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.519 years until this year where we saw a slight increase, 250 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:09.639 and then they've normally done a twenty five K and 251 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:12.759 at least a five K and then occasionally at ten 252 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:15.639 the ten you know, the last two years, seventy two 253 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:18.120 to seventy four players. No drop off there. We look 254 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:20.840 at a twenty five K back in twenty twenty two, 255 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:23.320 we had ninety three entrants drop down, a seventy four 256 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:26.440 drop down to fifty twenty twenty five, was fifty six 257 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:30.919 this year, twenty eight, and they they added a second 258 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:32.440 one that didn't go. 259 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:34.960 Now the second one was. 260 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:36.480 The second one for six max or was it the 261 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:37.120 other way around. 262 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:40.840 I don't know on how many players at the table, 263 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:43.720 but the second one was kind of poorly scheduled. It 264 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:47.000 was on the same day as the College Football Championship, 265 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:49.279 which was also held in Miami, so it was kind 266 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:51.000 of about a bit of an oversight there. The first 267 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:54.720 twenty five K, you know, half the field drop off, 268 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.200 fifty percent drop off in that and supposedly they had 269 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:01.120 put in two players from They ran a promotion in 270 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:04.159 the poker room where two players qualified, knowing that you 271 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:06.840 would expect the numbers to be a bigger but then 272 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:10.200 also having spoken to so many poker players, you know 273 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:13.120 that played both our events and seminal, they had always 274 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:15.320 they had always been weary of the twenty five k 275 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:19.679 and probably skipping those. So look, they've seen the data, 276 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.080 the big drop off and the cancelation. Looks like, hey, 277 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:25.480 that's not going to be on the schedule for the 278 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:28.720 foreseeable future. As confirmed for the AFL event, the ten 279 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:30.559 K has being strong. They also do a five K 280 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:33.039 that normally has a two hundred or quarter million dollar 281 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:37.720 guarantee that that just crushes nearly every year. Back in 282 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:39.720 twenty twenty two, one hundred and eighty two players. They 283 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:42.320 took a year off twenty twenty four was one hundred, 284 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:45.919 twenty twenty five was one point fifty three, and then 285 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:49.840 this year was one seventeen. So you know, looking at 286 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:53.320 those those data points, fives and tens seemed to still 287 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:56.960 be strong, fives especially strong. And then obviously the thirty 288 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:02.039 five hundred this year went up about five percent, so 289 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:06.639 that's good there. And you know, this stop is always 290 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:09.240 a weird one, always kind of slightly overlaps the Borgata 291 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:12.399 January event, so you're gonna split the player pool. And 292 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:15.399 then this year they also had and not a new event, 293 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:17.080 but maybe I guess you call it a return, they 294 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:21.480 had a Biloxi main event that was also a bet 295 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:26.320 MGM property. So three kind of pretty big no limit 296 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:30.000 holder main events all running kind of simultaneously. Isn't great 297 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:33.360 for the industry. Now, you could argue that, hey, ones 298 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:36.519 in Florida, ones in you know, Biloxi, ones in uh 299 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:40.000 up in the up in the cold. It's it's completely 300 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:43.639 different player pools, but you are just making you know, 301 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:46.600 players pick and choose. It's a little difficult. I'd rather 302 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:49.799 just have some more offset for these for these companies. 303 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:54.360 Yeah, and I think that that I think that that 304 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.279 what what you just outlined gets into how I think 305 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:04.159 we're going to eventually see the poker landscape kind of shift, 306 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:07.639 meaning if you're going to have these events that they 307 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:10.399 do compete with each other, and you know, like you said, 308 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:14.399 the argument for doing them anyway is like, well, they're 309 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:19.519 just pretty different locations. But when you're making players pick 310 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:21.519 and choose, the players that Tim is talking about is 311 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:24.480 the traveling player, right, You're making the traveling player pick 312 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:27.320 and choose. Right, There's only a select few people like 313 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:29.840 let's say Brock Wilson, for example, Who's going to hop 314 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:31.840 on a plane and try and hit like every single 315 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:34.279 stop one after another. You know, there's just not a 316 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:35.799 lot of those, so that you know, you might you 317 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:39.279 guys that you know they travel just to Borgada and 318 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:41.639 then back home, or they traveled just a seminole and 319 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:44.000 then back home. So you're making those players pick and choose. 320 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:46.840 So I think eventually, when I talk about this shift 321 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:48.519 in the landscape, I think you're going to see a 322 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:52.559 shift to these venues who are running these really big tournaments, 323 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:54.360 these really big series. Is like I think they're going 324 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:58.039 to shift things to more of a regional and local 325 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:02.600 focus and not so much as like we're putting on 326 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:05.679 this big series to attract people from everywhere. I think 327 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:07.679 it's going to be more dialed in or at least 328 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:10.240 I mean partly is like that's what I would advise 329 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:13.080 these places to do. So, like you know, Seminal, for example, 330 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:19.159 should focus on just that region like that really southeast region, 331 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:22.559 draw people from like all the way up to like Atlanta, 332 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.519 right and then listen, if you get traveling players and 333 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:28.519 you get people to come in from Afar, great, you know, bonus. 334 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.840 But I think you start catering really towards more that regional, 335 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:36.519 local crowd, probably anywhere that's within like what in our 336 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:40.960 flight two hour drive something like that, like that's your region. 337 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:43.679 Maybe a little bit more extended on the drive part, 338 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:48.279 but still that's what I think you're targeting. So you know, 339 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:50.639 when you have someone something like in January where you 340 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:52.639 have that Biloxi event, you have the Borgata event, you 341 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.600 have the Seminal event, all happening at once, Well, if 342 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:58.039 they're all just trying to pull from regional pools, then 343 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:00.399 it's just a little bit more. It's a little it's 344 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:02.639 less overlap between the player pools, so it's going to 345 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:06.920 be more beneficial to those players, so you know, yeah, 346 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:10.000 I also think that kind of the model that seems 347 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:13.920 to be working in some places is like a big 348 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:16.680 one K one K slash eleven hundred and then like 349 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:19.119 a thirty five hundred main like those are your two 350 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:23.279 core products, and then you build around those. I would 351 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:25.119 even say that you could take that thirty five hundred 352 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.440 Maine up to a five K if you wanted, so 353 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:28.920 then you have like a one K price point and 354 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:31.279 a five K price point and then build all around that. 355 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:34.400 And I think those just just tend to you know, 356 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:38.119 kind of cater to a more regional, local crowd, of course, 357 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:41.359 bolstered by you know, plenty of promotions and stuff like 358 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:42.960 that getting people into these tournaments. 359 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.480 So I just don't think you need to cap yourself though, 360 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:49.640 that's what do you mean? I know you're talking about regional, 361 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:52.079 but got big? 362 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.559 What do you mean, like give me more, sir. 363 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:58.400 Like taget, like I want to own. 364 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:02.279 I want to own the entire playoffool if I'm one 365 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:04.319 of these bigger rallies, like I'm not tolling it from 366 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:06.839 the PGT if I'm if I was, if I was 367 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:09.160 in charge of Bolgada, if I was in charge of Seminole. 368 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:11.799 You know, I want to. I want to own the 369 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:14.200 entire PLAYOFFOL, so I want. 370 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:19.279 To, So I don't I don't necessarily agree with your 371 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:23.039 goal there. I just think that you're not going to 372 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:25.759 be given the resources to be able to do that 373 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.960 because of some of the stuff that's happened recently with Seminole. 374 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:30.880 I'm always going to point back two years ago when 375 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:33.079 they came out with that big ten million dollar guarantee. 376 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:36.759 They tried to run it, and they got absolutely slaughtered 377 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:39.119 on the guarantee. So I just don't think that in 378 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:40.880 any way, shape or form. Like if you want to 379 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:43.519 say I want to own the whole player pool everywhere, 380 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:46.200 I want people coming in. In order to do that, 381 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:49.720 you need to do something like let's say WPT does 382 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:52.920 in December, right or I think WSP Paradise does a 383 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:55.200 good job of it, although they're pulling more international. I 384 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:59.119 think WPT in December is pulling more from the US, right. So, 385 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:03.240 but still like, you got to have big guarantees, big promotions, 386 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:05.200 throw a lot of money behind it, a lot of 387 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:07.480 resources behind it, and I just don't think you're going 388 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.559 to be able to be given that sort of marketing 389 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:13.920 and promotional firepower to be able to do such a thing. 390 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:17.359 So if I'm just coming into it with the assumption 391 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:19.119 that I'm not going to be given the firepower I 392 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:22.519 need to make it this big, big, big thing, then 393 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:25.039 I think the shift is going to be to more regional. 394 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:27.519 That's where I'm coming at my side of things. 395 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:30.960 Yeah, but you also don't have to like, yes, you 396 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:33.960 can throw money at things, but you can also do 397 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:36.920 it like we do it where we don't have that 398 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:39.920 money to spend, right, we have to just kind of 399 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:43.759 work within what we have, you know. 400 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:47.880 So like skill all of poker, I mean, I think 401 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:49.839