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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to a new episode of

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the Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters and

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I am joined by Tim Duckworth. It is Monday, February sixteenth.

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It is some holiday that I don't even know what

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holiday it is. I just know that my kids are

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off from school, which is extremely annoying. Yeah, I mean,

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when you pay money for the kids to go to school,

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they should always go.

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Speaker 2: To school, right with you?

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Speaker 1: Or my monthly whatever the heck it's called. What's it

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called fee? Yeah, tuition, couldn't think of that word for

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the life of me. The monthly tuition should should go down,

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it should be cut. Like this is just this is

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how it is. You can't just be taking mondays off.

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This is not how this works anyways.

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Speaker 3: Listen, in my son's first year of school, we had

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more days off for like President's Day and all these

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things then I had in thirteen years of school.

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Speaker 1: In Australia, it's President's Day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't understand it. Maybe

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this is why this country's not intelligent anymore. Too many

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days off in school.

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Speaker 1: It's not that they're not intelligent anymore, it's it's just

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that they're too soft and actually speaking that intelligence factor.

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By the way, it's two ten pm. I got to

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point out the time as always two ten pm on

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Monday February sixteen, when I was playing poker over the

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weekend at Venetian there was a gentleman at my table

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from Europe and he said, in Europe, none of their

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tests that they have in school have multiple choice answers

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or possibilities on them, you know how like you go

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to a test it says what's his collar and it

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gives you a through D or whatever. And he said,

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you know, he said, it's just you either know the

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answer or you don't. You write it in on the line,

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and that's that. And that makes a lot of sense

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to me. Again, it just goes back to just every

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one here is soft. I guess and we're having multiple

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choice and you know, the worst you can do if

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you just guess blindly as twenty five percent, which is

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kind of ridiculous, like know the answer or we don't

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know the answer. End of story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, enough of that rambling. So on today's episode,

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we're gonna talk a lot of PGT PGT kickoff. That's

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wrapped up. We're gonna hit on that PGT Mixed Games

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that's wrapped up. We're gonna hit on that Super High

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Rollerble Mixed Games is also wrapped up. We're gonna hit

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on that. We're also going to do our mailbag episode,

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which we have a bunch of questions from. We are

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not going to talk about the WSITV schedule, just putting

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that out there, and the reason is is because Tim

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and I it just dropped today, Yes, but Tim and

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I like to digest it, actually come with some coherent,

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somewhat coherent thoughts on it, and not just be shooting

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from the hip. We do enough shooting on the hip,

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but for the very important topics such as the WSITV

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schedule that drops every single year, we're gonna We're gonna

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leave that to either the next episode or maybe the

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next episode after that, but we'll get to it. Digest

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our thoughts, come with some takes, all that sort of stuff.

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So that is that is coming, that is on the horizon.

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So if you're expecting that on this episode, sorry, you

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just ain't getting it. As always, if you are listening,

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Speaker 2: Don't you have a door? But can't you shut you

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office door?

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Speaker 1: I don't have a door to my office.

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Speaker 2: That is that's maybe the first thing you should handle.

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Speaker 1: It is number one on the next projects of the

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house list is the door on the office.

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Speaker 2: Also the guy if you want if you need a handyman, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean I have a guy too. It's just just getting

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around to doing it, you know, saving up some money

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to get it done because I kind of want to

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do a bunch of different things with the office in here,

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the door being one of them. It's also it's it's

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an enlarged entryway because it's basically just the hallway, so

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you're gonna have to kind of reframe it.

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Speaker 3: And maybe it's a double door. Yeah, the doors that

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a is a French like a French door, like a

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French double.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't know. We'll see

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how it goes. I want to put some shelving in

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here and whatever, and it would kind of benefit the

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house in that. I think it's a rule that you

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have to have a door on it in order for

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it to be counted as a bedroom.

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Speaker 2: Like officially you have a door and a window.

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Speaker 4: Right, there's a window. Yeah, I think that's the closet,

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and I just think you need a closet that I

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think that's the rule.

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Speaker 1: I don't know there's something like that, right, but I

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think door is one of them. So need to put

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a door there for it to be counted as a

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as a bedroom. If for whatever reason we go to

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sell the house and you know, it goes up in

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value or whatever. But that's it's on the top of

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the list, and it's going to happen eventually. It's just

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a matter of when I can get around to it.

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If I just stop playing too much poker in my

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downtime and actually get around to doing something that my

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wife would like me to do, that would be great.

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Can't put the dogs outside, though, buddy, because coyotes in

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the area. Two small dogs that'd just be a recipe

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for disaster, so not doing that. I guess I could

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go full Daniel and the gronding style thing, but I'm

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just not rich enough to do something like that. So

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there's that.

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Speaker 3: That's just some chicken wire man. That's they can get

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All right, let's get into actually some substance here instead

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of me just complaining about what I need to do

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around the house and my dog's barking. PGT Kickoff Event

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number one, Andrew Lichtenberger won the event one hundred and

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sixty two thousand dollars, the same event he won a

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season ago. He asked right now after he won, if

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he was the first person to go back to back

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in the same event. That is not true, or he's not.

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Kristin Foxen did it. She did in the final event

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of the PGT Kickoff series. And I think it's only.

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Speaker 2: Those two, right, I think so.

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Speaker 1: And I know we'll touch on it, but Kristin Foxen

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almost did the three P when she finished. She actually

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finished seventh in event number five at PGT Kickoff, which

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is the event that she won the two past seasons.

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Event number two. Brian Battistone won that for one hundred

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and seventy three thousand, Event number three Andrew moreto one

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hundred and sixty two thousand. Event number three, Andrew Moreno

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and Jim Colpy made a deal during heads up play.

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Moreno took home one hundred and sixty two thousand dollars. There,

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Taylor Parr one hundred and seventy four thousand dollars for

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winning the event number four e at number five, Michael Burke

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two hundred and sixty two thousand dollars. That's the biggest

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prize first place prize from this series. And then Aril

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Mantel and event number six one hundred and seventy one

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thousand dollars for him. He topped Clement Dang and denied

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Clement Dang a second title. Three cashes were had by

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Andrew Lichtenberger, Dan Smith, Clemen Dang, Dan Maher, Patrick, Leonard, A. K.

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Pads and John Reordan and then after the series was

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all finished, Andrew Lichtenberger topped the PGT leaderboard of five

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hundred and thirty one points. What say you on the

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kickoff series?

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Speaker 3: My man, it was very impressive. It we saw numbers

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that I don't think anyone was expecting. Obviously I had discussed,

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you know, let's be prepared for a decline. It went

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literally the other way. And for the laugh of me,

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I cannot tell you how why that happened. But hey,

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we're not going to complain, you know, we want to

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compare it kind of to the previous year where we

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were looking at, basically in the five case averaging basically

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you know, one hundred and five entrants. This year we

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went up to you know, one hundred and thirty five entrants,

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one hundred and fifty one entrance, one fifty nine one,

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like just absolutely kind of ginormous numbers.

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Speaker 2: Window wise. It was great.

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Speaker 3: It was after the Borgata had finished, it was after

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Seminole had finished. We saw you know, ten to fifteen

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players that had never been in the studio partaking those

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first few events. Plus we saw people you know coming

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out that hadn't played in a while, and obviously, you know,

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we were still missing some of our regulars too, for

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whatever reason that may be. So yeah, look, we came

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into the year, the season talking about all the tax

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issues and you know what was that going to mean

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for poker or you know, we used that seminal data

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where we saw pretty steep decline in the twenty five k's,

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and you know what, maybe it's just the fact that

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like some of these guys are you you know, they're

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going to concentrate on that five K buying. You know,

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we always discuss that we think threes and fives are

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just like the best price point here in America. And

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with the numbers that we had at kickoff, you know,

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you look in totally, we had one hundred and twenty

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eight unique players, which is, you know, one of our

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biggest kind of showings for a series. And you know,

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the five case they're just gonna they're just the beast.

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And we're going to do a few more of those

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this year. And obviously as the year kind of goes on,

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we'll see, we'll see how the rate of play kind

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of evolves. Hearing from players, they're going to kind of

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take shots early and if things go south, they'll slow down.

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If things go well, they'll kind of keep playing, so

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we're going to make adjustments every series.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Obviously we have our next big No Limbit series coming

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up in March, and you know, who knows what.

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Speaker 2: That will bring.

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Speaker 3: Is that going to be bring record breaking numbers or

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are we going to see what I kind of expected

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a little bit of a trickle off. So, like I said,

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don't really have an answer, which is unlike me, but

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it was just great.

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Speaker 1: It was just great because one of the one of

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the mailbag questions kind of pertains to the tax situation.

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So I guess we'll hit on it a little bit

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more later. But I wanted to jump in and ask

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you because you hit on or you briefly mentioned those

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those Seminal numbers. Do you do you have those numbers?

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Did you remember exactly what happened there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, somewhere I believe.

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Speaker 1: One of the twenty five k's was canceled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So look, and I spoke with you know, Jason

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Heidenthal who runs Seminal, about a week ago, so we

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had a little discussion. Look, I made a big tweet

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about it, and he kind of actually thanked me for,

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you know, being able to take that to his higher

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apps and say, hey, we need to adjust our schedule.

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They did just release their upcoming April schedule and they've

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made those adjustments.

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Speaker 2: So that's really good to say. I'm not saying it's

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on me.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just adjustments. I see no twenty five K.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the big adjustment. So over the last few years,

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you know, they've done a variety of events, seminal in January,

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always at the thirty five hundred main event. Those numbers

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kind of pretty dropped pretty heavily of the last few

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years until this year where we saw a slight increase,

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and then they've normally done a twenty five K and

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at least a five K and then occasionally at ten

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the ten you know, the last two years, seventy two

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to seventy four players. No drop off there. We look

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at a twenty five K back in twenty twenty two,

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we had ninety three entrants drop down, a seventy four

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drop down to fifty twenty twenty five, was fifty six

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this year, twenty eight, and they they added a second

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one that didn't go.

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Speaker 2: Now the second one was.

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Speaker 1: The second one for six max or was it the

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other way around.

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Speaker 3: I don't know on how many players at the table,

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but the second one was kind of poorly scheduled. It

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was on the same day as the College Football Championship,

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which was also held in Miami, so it was kind

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of about a bit of an oversight there. The first

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twenty five K, you know, half the field drop off,

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fifty percent drop off in that and supposedly they had

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put in two players from They ran a promotion in

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the poker room where two players qualified, knowing that you

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would expect the numbers to be a bigger but then

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also having spoken to so many poker players, you know

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that played both our events and seminal, they had always

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they had always been weary of the twenty five k

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and probably skipping those. So look, they've seen the data,

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the big drop off and the cancelation. Looks like, hey,

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that's not going to be on the schedule for the

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foreseeable future. As confirmed for the AFL event, the ten

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K has being strong. They also do a five K

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that normally has a two hundred or quarter million dollar

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guarantee that that just crushes nearly every year. Back in

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twenty twenty two, one hundred and eighty two players. They

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took a year off twenty twenty four was one hundred,

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twenty twenty five was one point fifty three, and then

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this year was one seventeen. So you know, looking at

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those those data points, fives and tens seemed to still

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be strong, fives especially strong. And then obviously the thirty

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five hundred this year went up about five percent, so

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that's good there. And you know, this stop is always

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a weird one, always kind of slightly overlaps the Borgata

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January event, so you're gonna split the player pool. And

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then this year they also had and not a new event,

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but maybe I guess you call it a return, they

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had a Biloxi main event that was also a bet

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MGM property. So three kind of pretty big no limit

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holder main events all running kind of simultaneously. Isn't great

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for the industry. Now, you could argue that, hey, ones

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in Florida, ones in you know, Biloxi, ones in uh

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up in the up in the cold. It's it's completely

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different player pools, but you are just making you know,

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players pick and choose. It's a little difficult. I'd rather

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just have some more offset for these for these companies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that that I think that that

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what what you just outlined gets into how I think

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we're going to eventually see the poker landscape kind of shift,

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meaning if you're going to have these events that they

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do compete with each other, and you know, like you said,

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the argument for doing them anyway is like, well, they're

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just pretty different locations. But when you're making players pick

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and choose, the players that Tim is talking about is

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the traveling player, right, You're making the traveling player pick

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and choose. Right, There's only a select few people like

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let's say Brock Wilson, for example, Who's going to hop

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on a plane and try and hit like every single

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stop one after another. You know, there's just not a

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lot of those, so that you know, you might you

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guys that you know they travel just to Borgada and

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then back home, or they traveled just a seminole and

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then back home. So you're making those players pick and choose.

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So I think eventually, when I talk about this shift

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in the landscape, I think you're going to see a

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shift to these venues who are running these really big tournaments,

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these really big series. Is like I think they're going

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to shift things to more of a regional and local

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focus and not so much as like we're putting on

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this big series to attract people from everywhere. I think

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it's going to be more dialed in or at least

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I mean partly is like that's what I would advise

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these places to do. So, like you know, Seminal, for example,

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should focus on just that region like that really southeast region,

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draw people from like all the way up to like Atlanta,

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right and then listen, if you get traveling players and

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you get people to come in from Afar, great, you know, bonus.

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But I think you start catering really towards more that regional,

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local crowd, probably anywhere that's within like what in our

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flight two hour drive something like that, like that's your region.

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Maybe a little bit more extended on the drive part,

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but still that's what I think you're targeting. So you know,

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when you have someone something like in January where you

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have that Biloxi event, you have the Borgata event, you

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have the Seminal event, all happening at once, Well, if

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they're all just trying to pull from regional pools, then

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it's just a little bit more. It's a little it's

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less overlap between the player pools, so it's going to

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be more beneficial to those players, so you know, yeah,

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I also think that kind of the model that seems

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to be working in some places is like a big

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one K one K slash eleven hundred and then like

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a thirty five hundred main like those are your two

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core products, and then you build around those. I would

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even say that you could take that thirty five hundred

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Maine up to a five K if you wanted, so

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then you have like a one K price point and

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a five K price point and then build all around that.

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And I think those just just tend to you know,

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kind of cater to a more regional, local crowd, of course,

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bolstered by you know, plenty of promotions and stuff like

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that getting people into these tournaments.

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Speaker 3: So I just don't think you need to cap yourself though,

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that's what do you mean? I know you're talking about regional,

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but got big?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean, like give me more, sir.

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Speaker 2: Like taget, like I want to own.

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Speaker 3: I want to own the entire playoffool if I'm one

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of these bigger rallies, like I'm not tolling it from

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the PGT if I'm if I was, if I was

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in charge of Bolgada, if I was in charge of Seminole.

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Speaker 2: You know, I want to. I want to own the

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entire PLAYOFFOL, so I want.

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Speaker 1: To, So I don't I don't necessarily agree with your

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goal there. I just think that you're not going to

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be given the resources to be able to do that

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because of some of the stuff that's happened recently with Seminole.

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I'm always going to point back two years ago when

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they came out with that big ten million dollar guarantee.

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They tried to run it, and they got absolutely slaughtered

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on the guarantee. So I just don't think that in

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any way, shape or form. Like if you want to

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say I want to own the whole player pool everywhere,

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I want people coming in. In order to do that,

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you need to do something like let's say WPT does

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in December, right or I think WSP Paradise does a

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good job of it, although they're pulling more international. I

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think WPT in December is pulling more from the US, right. So,

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but still like, you got to have big guarantees, big promotions,

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throw a lot of money behind it, a lot of

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resources behind it, and I just don't think you're going

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to be able to be given that sort of marketing

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and promotional firepower to be able to do such a thing.

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So if I'm just coming into it with the assumption

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that I'm not going to be given the firepower I

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need to make it this big, big, big thing, then

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I think the shift is going to be to more regional.

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That's where I'm coming at my side of things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you also don't have to like, yes, you

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can throw money at things, but you can also do

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it like we do it where we don't have that

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money to spend, right, we have to just kind of

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work within what we have, you know.

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Speaker 1: So like skill all of poker, I mean, I think

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that's the high roller is because we're I.

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Speaker 3: Think that's like I'm looking at Okay, I'm bulgada, Okay,

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I'm looking at the Bolgatta Winter Poker Open. Their main

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event overlaps the Seminal like the Seminal twenty five k

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it overlaps the WSP. So could plan in Hollywood at

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overaps our series and MPG two Champion.

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Speaker 1: Well also hold on Let's Bargota has zero excuses because

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they have an online partner as a foundational situe. So

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if you have an online partner built into your company,

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which they have with BETMGM poker, you have absolutely no

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excuses whatsoever, like none. Now someone like Seminole who doesn't

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have an online platform to support it, it's gonna be

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a little bit harder to do things right. Even Biloxi

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Bloxi is that's an MGM property. They were running qualifiers,

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which is also kind of silly if you look at

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those two events, because you're running qualifiers on betmgm to

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either send people to Burgata or send them to Biloxi.

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Why are you not having those events at two different

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times and sending why why are you making people choose

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from the qualifiers? Like that's silly, But like if you're

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Seminoal it's it's a little bit more difficult.

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Speaker 3: But let's look at seminoles April schedule. You know, their

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main event starts, you know, April twenty fourth, which in

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hindsight looks fine, but it actually overlaps azim millions. That

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overlapse WSLP Austin, which I think will be big h

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and it leads into Bolgada. Now I understand the convention

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space and booking, but also you know, if you move

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that up one weekend, you have nothing. You're against absolutely

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no one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're also kind of making my point for

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me in that I'm saying things are going to eventually

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shift more regional, and if you don't.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying you don't have to do it that way.

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You can still be a big dog.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think you can still be a big

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dog and still be like regional. I mean, I think

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in Seminole's case, I think the best thing that they

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could do is they could start a national tour. I

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think they have enough properties, have enough hard walks around.

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You have the one that's coming in twenty twenty seven,

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I believe, is when it's going to open here in Vegas,

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you know. Ultimately, like I would make that your finishing

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points for things. I would build up the tour this

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year and next year, and then that twenty twenty seven

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stop you nouns the championship event. You know, you could

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probably line it up where it coincides with what's going

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on here in Vegas in end of November and December,

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you know, And I think you could take that approach

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to things like like that would be my kind of

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big picture plan for Seminoles specifically. And then and then,

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like I said, with with you know, Borgata, you just

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have to lean on bet MGM.

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Speaker 2: So they also have it can do a tour as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I think that also. You know,

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I know that we've had conversations with our friend Matt

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Savage about this just others. There's so much poker everywhere

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that you know, eventually you're just going to have to

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let this all play out. Let all these people go

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to war, and you know, the strongest are going to survive.

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Like that's just going to happen, right, It's just the

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kind of just how it's going to all just shake

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out in the end. So yeah, a lot of people

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can can keep trying to contest with other people and whatnot.

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But I do think eventually, like someone like a seminole

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is going to be okay versus someone that's a little

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bit smaller might might die out in the long or

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just have to have lesser events because I think seminoles

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ultimately just too big of a powerhouse right now, you know.

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So so yeah, but I still think shifting to regional

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plus I just factor in I think everything kind of lags,

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you know, this tax situation. I know, like right now

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we kind of think, like, oh, kickoff numbers were freaking booming,

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like what's everything seems to be fine, But I always

474
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just think things lack, you know, same with like the

475
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,079
economy or people having less money to spend all that

476
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,799
sort of stuff, Like it just kind of lacks, and

477
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,759
eventually it'll catch up and everyone will kind of kind of,

478
00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:32,160
you know, be like freak out and be like, well,

479
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,160
why did this happen now? Well, which is because everything

480
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,480
just kind of lags behind anything else. On PGT kickoff

481
00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:40,559
before we roll into mixed games.

482
00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:43,759
Speaker 3: My only thought is, you know, like this series has

483
00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:46,759
been fairly copypaste the last few years. You know, four

484
00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:48,960
or five k's the ten K. This year we added

485
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,519
a single day ten K, two X points in all events.

486
00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:56,759
You know, looking at the schedule next year, the windows tight.

487
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,240
I'm wondering if this, you know, does does this get

488
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,000
a bit of a shake up to what you've kind

489
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,759
of hinted before, where we make it like a multi

490
00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:09,039
flight just one off of then maybe, But I just

491
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,119
I do love this series. It's just that I wonder

492
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,640
if if it if we shake it up a little bit,

493
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,960
I'm not really sure yet.

494
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, I just think it goes back

495
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,200
to what what sort of resources we can have at

496
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,599
our disposal. I mean, I always thought my original idea

497
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,160
with the kickoff was a multi flight, multi day tournament,

498
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,799
you know, three day, three day, one flights, day two,

499
00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:38,359
three and four, kind of stream the whole thing, big guarantee,

500
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,920
like all that sort of stuff. Right, If that can't

501
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,960
be done, I think what you've you know, molded it

502
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,960
into is the best way to go about it. So

503
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,200
I don't know, I don't think I would change anything

504
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,359
the way it is. I'm also a big proponent of,

505
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,200
you know, if it's not broke, don't fix it, and

506
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,839
if it's only getting better, definitely don't fucking fix it.

507
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,039
Like this got way better than last year. The only

508
00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:02,720
thing that you did is you added one more event

509
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:05,599
as a single day event, And that doesn't really matter

510
00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:09,240
in the grand scheme of this because this tournament series

511
00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:12,319
doesn't have a series title. It's just about the double

512
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,599
points aspect to it all. So yeah, I think as

513
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:19,640
long as this series, if we continue to see numbers

514
00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:22,759
increase like they are, if we continue to get more

515
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:25,680
unique players, which I think is the most important point

516
00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:28,000
from this series, you know, trying to get people into

517
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,480
the pgt ecosystem, hopefully they have a great experience, they

518
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,920
love playing in the studio, they get some points, and

519
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,079
then they continue to play the whole series. Like that's

520
00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:39,039
the goal with this series. So as long as those

521
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:41,599
things are being achieved, I mean, just just keep running

522
00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:43,680
it back, you know, because it's a lot of fun,

523
00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:46,799
all right. Let's move on to PGT Mixed Games. Speaking

524
00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:50,319
of a fun series, this one's always the most fun,

525
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,480
you know. I think that part of me says mixed

526
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,519
game players get a bad rap, and I would say

527
00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:57,680
deservedly so, you know, because a lot of them are

528
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:03,599
just absolute chromade with everything constant complaining, whining and crying

529
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,000
like the whole thing. Right, But the ones inside the

530
00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:09,839
studio I think are pretty fun and entertaining, and even

531
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,400
the few curmudgeons that we have are still wildly entertaining

532
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,920
in the grand scheme of things. Seven events as part

533
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,799
of this year's Mixed Games series. This this did have

534
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,960
a series title winner, and that was Yuri Zebeleski aka

535
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:28,759
Yuri Nerd Guy or Yuri Martins has multiple names that

536
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:30,240
he goes by the brazil By.

537
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 2: He also goes by Goat.

538
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,319
Speaker 1: He also goes by go By God or Jesus, you

539
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:42,160
know whatever, because absolutely flying high. So Yuri had three cashes,

540
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,559
all three were top three finishes. In fact, all three

541
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:47,240
were top two finishes in a first, a second, and

542
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:50,640
a second, five hundred and thirty four pg T points

543
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,039
in total, seven hundred and forty five thousand dollars in

544
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,519
change in total winnings. He won event number five, He

545
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,640
finished second in event number six, and second in event

546
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,839
number seven. Event number seven was the twenty five K

547
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:10,200
Championship event. So Yuri Zevelevski is the PGT Mixed Games

548
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,519
Series champion and a very fitting champion. I don't think

549
00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:15,440
there's any debate here in terms of who is the

550
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,440
best performer from the series, but I do want to

551
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,559
give some honorable mention to the man who finished in

552
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:24,119
second place, King Hi Pan aka Jackpan, who also had

553
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,720
three cashes, also three top three finishes, but his were first, second,

554
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,680
and third. So it's just absolutely wild how all these

555
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,200
guys were battling to the end. But Yury Zeveleski does

556
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:39,640
come out on top here. Just running through the event winners.

557
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,319
Event number one, Chino Reem comes out on top for

558
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,279
one hundred and twelve thousand dollars. He did make a

559
00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:47,599
deal with Dylan Lindy in heads up play, and right

560
00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:48,839
out of the gate, I was like, here we go.

561
00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:52,880
Chino reim third PGT series title, Like here we go again.

562
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,640
Justin Liberto won Event number two. Great to see Justin

563
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,440
Liberto in the mix for more PGT events. He did

564
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,400
play some kick off events. He played the entire mixed

565
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,200
game series, so that's good to have him in there.

566
00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:08,640
Ryan Hoenig his first time at the PGT Mixed Game Series.

567
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:11,839
He won Event number three for two hundred and thirty

568
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:13,799
two thousand dollars. A Liberto one Event number two for

569
00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:15,920
one hundred twenty seven thousand dollars, So excuse me there.

570
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:20,440
Nick Shulman the real goat event number four two hundred

571
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,519
and thirty five thousand dollars for him. Yurizevilevski won Event

572
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:26,759
number five two hundred and sixty two thousand dollars. Event

573
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:30,400
number six, King Hipan won two hundred and seventy three

574
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,359
thousand dollars, and then event number seven was Brian rast

575
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,640
Rast winning four hundred and eighty thousand dollars in the

576
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,319
twenty five K ten Game Championship event. I'll let you

577
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:44,200
correct me in a second, but just let me kind

578
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,640
of set the table here in that I think every

579
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:52,759
event was down except for the last one. Basically, what

580
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:55,680
I'm saying is we saw booming numbers for Kickoff, we

581
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,440
saw a pullback in numbers for mixed games.

582
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you touched on the the you know, the twenty

583
00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:06,279
five K finale, that was obviously the outlier, just absolutely

584
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:12,359
smashing through the previous record. But yeah, numbers were down

585
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,480
this year. Most notably though, it was the five k's.

586
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:17,640
You know, the five K horse went from one hundred

587
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,799
and thirty to one oh one, five K eight game

588
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,920
went from one forty eight to ninety eight. The ten

589
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,960
K Horse it was a new event, it was a toss,

590
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:31,079
but that went down by twelve players. The ten K

591
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,599
eight game that went down by eight players, So that's

592
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:37,480
pretty marginal. That's just kind of some reentry variance. The

593
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:41,200
Big Bet mix was I would call a return, So

594
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:44,640
if we're comparing it to the previous Big Bit mix,

595
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,440
it was also different buy and can't really do that

596
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:49,440
dealer's choice down a couple people as well.

597
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: There's a lot of reasons for this.

598
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,519
Speaker 3: The first one is I would say about ten regulars

599
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,960
and when I say regulars. I'm talking guys that are

600
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,799
firing every event multiple times. We're not here now. They

601
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:09,160
made the terrible mistake of getting married and having kids

602
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,680
and doing all those things, so that's why they didn't attend.

603
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,920
So they need to do a better job next year

604
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,680
planning their family lives. But you know, you take those

605
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,680
ten players, you give them a rebuy in the Horse

606
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:22,640
or the EIGHTKA and there's twenty entrance right there.

607
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: We would ran pretty awful in the satellite.

608
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: Everyone that won a seat was probably going to DBI anyway,

609
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,960
So that's six people there, so that kind of makes

610
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,240
up for that for that Horse number, and you know

611
00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:37,480
the eight game number, the ten Game Championship. You know,

612
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:40,279
the biggest reason that went up is really you know,

613
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:45,160
Phil Stenheimer and his recruiting of players to come play

614
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:45,720
this series.

615
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:46,559
Speaker 2: You know, we had a lot of.

616
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: People flying for you know, the Dealer's Choice that the

617
00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:52,839
twenty five k, then the hundred K, or even just

618
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,680
the twenty five and one hundred, so you know a

619
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,599
lot of new faces kind of rocked up for their

620
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,400
last event. That kind of help, you know, really boost

621
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,200
that number. But you know, like I think we all

622
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,799
agree Mixed game players are on the tighter side, and

623
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:12,279
I would say that maybe this is where the tax

624
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,960
the tax laws kind.

625
00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: Of hit players.

626
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: You know, do I want to play the ten k

627
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:18,880
horse that gets one hundred players or don't want to

628
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,599
play the ten k horse of the World series that

629
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,440
gets you know, three hundred players. They're going to be

630
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,920
a little bit more tighter with their you know, with

631
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,960
their with their bankrolls, especially in this new day and age.

632
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, either either way, I think it was a

633
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:32,720
great series.

634
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:34,559
Speaker 3: We had a lot of you know, we had new

635
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:36,599
players that have never been in the studio playing, so

636
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,680
that was great. It's always a fun event, a fun series.

637
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,079
It's like it's basically a multi table home game, and

638
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,640
I think it's just a great week of poker. These

639
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,160
mixed guys don't get any series like this around the world,

640
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,839
you know, outside of the World Series, which is obviously

641
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,880
stretched over seven weeks. But to come here for you know,

642
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,839
ten days and play a bunch of different games. The

643
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,519
cash games were absolutely popping I heard, and then all

644
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:06,599
leading into the one hundred k.

645
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought the series was great. I love

646
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:12,839
the atmosphere in the room during this series. You know,

647
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,880
a lot of fun, a lot of entertainment from this

648
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,640
kind of wacky and wild group of mixed game players.

649
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,960
You know, I'm always surprised that there aren't more people

650
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,519
that I know play mixed games to come out to

651
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:30,640
this series. And I guess I see your point about

652
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,480
you know, let's say you have ten K and you're like, Okay,

653
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,240
should I play the ten K here? Should I play

654
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:38,920
the ten K at the WSP. I mean my counter

655
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,680
would be, it's only twenty K to play both. I mean,

656
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,559
it's not like I'm asking you to play, you know,

657
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:46,599
three hundred ks or whatever. Like you could take a

658
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:48,400
shot in both, you could raise money, like you can

659
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,160
make it happen, you know. And I would say that

660
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,599
for a lot of these guys, you're not getting high

661
00:32:55,599 --> 00:33:00,319
buy ins like this in a condensed time frame anywhere

662
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,960
else in the world. And I would say really kind

663
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,519
of even the WSP, because the difference between this and

664
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:09,079
the WSP is that the WSP is just spread out

665
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,839
much more. You know this, you can basically take a

666
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:14,960
week off, come play at all in once, and then

667
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,640
you get the benefit of things like elite staff and dealers,

668
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,839
incredible luxurious studio that's private, it's nowhere near a casino.

669
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:26,119
You know, It's just everything is just really top of

670
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:28,599
the line. I know that does sound like company man

671
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,920
speak coming from me, and while it is, I think

672
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,519
you guys out there know me enough to say that,

673
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,359
I wouldn't say that if I didn't believe it. I

674
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:38,160
would just probably dump on it or ignore it altogether.

675
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,839
But yeah, it really is the best. And again, you

676
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:43,880
know you mentioned it, a shout out to Phil Sterneimer

677
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,559
for a lot of the recruiting he does, not only

678
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:48,319
for the bigger buying events, but just kind of about

679
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:52,319
this whole series, just just really getting behind it. You know,

680
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,319
he really is the guy behind this whole thing, almost

681
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:56,720
to the point that we should put him on the

682
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,920
payroll for all these But I heard he did all

683
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,440
right in the mix and the cash game, so I'm

684
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,759
sure he's doing just fine. And he did have a

685
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:08,039
couple of couple of deep runs in the tournaments as well.

686
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaking of the twenty five K ten Game Championship, he

687
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,360
got third there for two hundred and sixteen. So yeah,

688
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,400
so overall, I think a really fun series. Hopefully we

689
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,760
get some of these guys that start playing more than

690
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,000
just mixed games, you know, I would love to see,

691
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,840
for example, Yuri's e Aleski start playing more of our stuff,

692
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,199
you know, around the rest of the year. You know, yeah,

693
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,519
Yury's gonna he's gonna be there for the entire WSP

694
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,280
and play all that sort of stuff. But you know,

695
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,599
can we get him for Poker gro Cup. It's not

696
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,920
like he's not good at Nolam at Oldham. He's great

697
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,679
at that too. He's literally great at all of the games.

698
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,000
So can we get him out there for that sort

699
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,800
of stuff. I mean, that's probably gonna factor in. Does

700
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,320
it coincide with Scoop and stuff like that? And I

701
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,119
know they move Scoop this year, and I don't even

702
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:02,079
know if they fully release schedule yet. I just remember Patrick.

703
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he joked the pads, he's pretty upset of them.

704
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, well he's upset that they moved it and whatever,

705
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,159
but he was also upset that they hadn't released the

706
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:10,000
schedule yet. So I don't even know if it's out yet.

707
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,159
But you know, someone like Yuri, I would love to

708
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:15,679
have him come out for you know, Poker gro Cup

709
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:19,239
and have him or sorry, yeah, Poker gro Cup, you

710
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,400
know us Poker Ope and stuff like that get out there.

711
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,199
I think it would just be incredible. My favorite event

712
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:27,880
from all seven events that we had during the Mix

713
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,880
game series was this Big Bet Mix, even though it

714
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,519
had the lowest turnout with fifty three entries fifteen K

715
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:38,639
price point, Uri Beats Pads heads Up. So two online

716
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,920
legends there, you know, going at it in the live realm,

717
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,800
very familiar with each other's games. But just I thought

718
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,440
the mix was super fun and unique and interesting. You

719
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:51,480
certainly don't see it anywhere else in the world. A

720
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:53,960
bunch of the games, you know, just being there throughout

721
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,159
the entirety of this event, A bunch of the games

722
00:35:56,199 --> 00:36:01,000
players had no idea what they were doing. Also, several times,

723
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,639
probably a dozen times, players were playing the wrong game.

724
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:06,199
Like so if you if you're on the fence about

725
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,079
playing this sort of thing, Like for example, I saw

726
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:10,559
John Reardon at the Venetian the other day and I

727
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:11,840
was sitting right next to him and I said, you know,

728
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,440
you should have played this Big Bet Mix. He's like,

729
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,760
I know, I thought about that. I didn't, And I

730
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,039
was like, you don't understand, man. Like players are playing

731
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,360
the wrong game, Like they had no idea what the

732
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,440
rules were. They had no idea like kind of hand

733
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:25,719
rankings all this sort of stuff, and he's like, man,

734
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:27,559
damn it, I should have played. I'm like, yeah, you

735
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,679
should have played, because as good as you are and

736
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,000
like some of these games, you know, you probably could

737
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,599
have figured out the other ones quite nicely because some

738
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:36,039
of the players I don't think I had any idea

739
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:37,920
what they were doing, which was awesome.

740
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,639
Speaker 3: So and it wasn't just the like the the you know,

741
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:43,519
the no elimental PLO guys coming in and not understanding

742
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,000
you know, no limit. So we saw some mixed game

743
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,599
legends get some games wrong and we're like, oh, oh,

744
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,440
you know, so kind of happens to everyone.

745
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was it was a lot of fun

746
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,119
that one. It was a very very laid back atmosphere

747
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:02,679
as well. Matthew Wantman Bucky. He got fifth place in

748
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:06,079
this event. He was hammered on D Day Walk, absolutely hammered.

749
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,079
Also shout out to Maxim piece of Ranko, who I'm

750
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,880
I'm not joking. I think during this entire series, probably

751
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,440
had one hundred shots of vodka throughout the entire series.

752
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,880
And I'm in no way, shape or form am I exaggerating.

753
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,719
He had at least twenty five in one event and

754
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,159
multiple players can back me up. He would show up

755
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:27,559
at noon every day and order a shot at the

756
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,320
bar and a drink and then just drink the whole time,

757
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:33,679
the whole time, NonStop. And then I guess Brian Breck

758
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:35,039
shout out to him too. He was there a bunch

759
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:39,239
of times, probably fifteen Coors Lights a day, so I'm

760
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,320
like just three at a time on the table. I mean,

761
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:48,760
it's just absolute riot in the studio for this series. Overall,

762
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,159
shout out too, Uri Zevilevski, who won the series title.

763
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,920
And then because of all that, his five hundred and

764
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,480
thirty four points that he earned from this series was

765
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:01,000
enough to put him on top of the overall PGT

766
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:04,400
leader board for the entire series. He overtook Andrew Liechtenberger

767
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,920
by three points. And it was all heading in to

768
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:12,480
Super High ROLLERBLEL Mixed Games, the biggest buy in mixed

769
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,119
games tournament in the world. We no longer have that

770
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:17,440
title when it comes to the PLO one, but we

771
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:20,440
still have it when it comes to the Super High

772
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:22,719
ROLLABLEL Mixed Games one. And this is the only thing

773
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,920
that I'll say about the WSP schedule is that we

774
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,679
still have the title because I saw the schedule and

775
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,519
they did not do one hundred k mixed games buying

776
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:30,800
that I saw, So we still have the title, buddy,

777
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,679
for at least one more year. We're still there. And

778
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:39,519
naturally speaking, Yuri Zeveleski Day one chip leader, Day two

779
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:41,760
chip leader entering the final table and then he is

780
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,199
the champion of this event. One point three million dollars

781
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,400
for Yuri Martins four hundred PGT points as well, only

782
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,280
extended his lead at the top of the PGT leaderboard.

783
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,760
He's now got nine hundred and thirty four points, which

784
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:01,440
I mean might as well be qualification for the PGT Championship.

785
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,760
At the end of the year, he's four hundred and

786
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,960
three points ahead of second place. In this two week

787
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,280
stretch it was actually less than two weeks, but two

788
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,639
week stretch for mixed games and the Super High rollablel

789
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:16,639
Mixed Games. Uri won more than two million dollars inside

790
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,400
the Poker Ghost Studio. This event was freaking awesome from

791
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,400
start to finish. Much larger field than last year. Last

792
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,679
year had what was it, twenty one uniques and twenty

793
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,159
nine entries. This year was I don't know the uniques,

794
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,159
but thirty eight entries. How many uniques this year? Do

795
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,920
you know it was more than last year? Obviously?

796
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was twenty nine.

797
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: But thirty eight entries for one hundred k buy in

798
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:48,239
ten game tournaments Ye three days, nice slow player friendly

799
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,679
structure had coveraged on all three days. Alex Livingston and

800
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,679
Chris Vich were in the booth alongside Ali Najad. You know,

801
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,719
not only are Livingston and Witch you know, goats when

802
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,039
it comes to mixed game commentary. They know everything in

803
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,599
and out, but all in the Jade is a mixed

804
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:05,679
game player in his own right, so you know he's

805
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,880
able to dive in there, ask the right questions, all

806
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,280
that sort of stuff. So if you guys haven't watched

807
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,440
the coverage, I would highly encourage you to do so.

808
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,679
Just simply great action from start to finish. The top

809
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,880
seven spots paid. You had Yuris of Alefski coming out

810
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,840
on top for one point three million dollars. Chad Eve Sledge.

811
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,519
I mean, this freaking guy won the event last year,

812
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:31,159
finished second this year for eight hundred and thirty five K,

813
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,400
and in the middle of that he just won the

814
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,679
PGT Championship in January. No big deal for Chad. He's

815
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,800
just just like an all around goat when it comes

816
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,039
to stuff. Benny Glauser finished in third. Robert Wells got fourth.

817
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:45,039
Shout out to Robert Wells, you know, really kind of

818
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:48,280
emerging now as as a top mixed game player. He

819
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,960
took four hundred and fifteen thousand dollars there to buy it.

820
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 4: Many finish the last year? No, no, wo, Benny did he?

821
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,679
I think he finished fifth fourth last year? Or sorry

822
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,360
you'ready got third last year? I can't remember something like that.

823
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,559
Speaker 3: Either way, all three of those cashing in it again

824
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:06,480
is pretty crazy.

825
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: And the granny was also at that final table was

826
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:15,159
Michael Mons. Nigranny played this year Texas. Mike did not,

827
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,920
but I think I saw a tweet from Texas saying

828
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,400
he's was getting some VOMO about not playing. Uh yeah.

829
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,599
So Robert Well's fourth Twicaelectness Lectnus got in via satellite HM.

830
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:28,280
So he turned a nice little satellite into three hundred

831
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,880
thousand dollars in prize money. Jared Blesnik sixth place, just

832
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,519
absolute freaking box office at the final table, as you

833
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:41,400
could have expected, immediately starts busting out cards. Nick Schulman's

834
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,599
buying half the pack. I mean, it was just it

835
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:47,239
was it was a plus entertainment and poker. I mean

836
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,079
at one point he like gets up from the table.

837
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,760
He still has his hand. This is very early in

838
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,400
the final table. He still has his hand. They're gonna

839
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,119
unbox stuff, you know, open the pack with Nick Shulman,

840
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:01,199
and he's just like, yeah, I'm just gonna use my time. Banks.

841
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,039
Like a couple of the players are like, what the

842
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:05,320
fuck is going on type of you know, and he

843
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,760
walks around the table. He's in like the two or

844
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,320
three seat. He walks all the way over to the

845
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,039
seventh seat to sweat the cards with Nick Shoman while

846
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,800
his hand is just being timed out, Like it's just

847
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:17,760
the whole thing is just crazy. I mean it's just

848
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,559
absolutely crazy. So Blessnik gets sixth plays and then Nick Shulman.

849
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,400
Nick Shulman, despite making one of the best folds you

850
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,039
will ever see when he folded jacks on the short stack,

851
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:33,280
still ends up busting in seventh place. Shulman joins a

852
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,159
pretty elite club of players who have cashed in multiple

853
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:41,000
super high rollable variants, and he also cashed in the

854
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:43,519
He got fourth I believe in the super high rollable

855
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:46,440
in December, the Nolan and hold them one. But there's

856
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,719
only there's only players that have cashed in two either

857
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,239
like Mixed and and PLO. Blesnik for example, he's he

858
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,320
cashed and Mixed and Plo, so he's in that club

859
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,079
as well, is Nan Yeah, Negranu obviously cash Mix and

860
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:01,840
then he's done well in the regular one, so you know,

861
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,639
but it's not No one's done three yet nope, So

862
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:05,840
we'll see if that can happen.

863
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,119
Speaker 2: But I mean, those two guys have to be the favorites.

864
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well Blesslik doesn't play the Nolan one, right, so yeah,

865
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,320
it'd have to be Shulman and Nicroner to be the

866
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:24,880
favorite to do it there. So so we'll see. But overall, uh,

867
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,719
I mean, again, great tournament, great ending to it all.

868
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,239
You know, I was pretty much glued to it from

869
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,679
start to finish, as I'm sure many were. Again, if

870
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,639
you haven't watched that already, please do check it out.

871
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:38,000
It's on the Poker YouTube channel, It is on poker

872
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,920
Go as well. You can find it on demand and

873
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,119
watch it from start to finish. My question to you,

874
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,519
tim is is Yuri Zevelski now the favorite to win

875
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:49,880
PGT Player of the Year.

876
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: I think it's lovely he.

877
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:01,599
Speaker 1: Won't put in the same volume as in Jeremy Osmas, Sam.

878
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 2: Silver, et cetera.

879
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: It's likely, but we know we're going to get a

880
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,800
full ten k plus schedule from URI's Eveleski at the Dimissopy.

881
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,800
That's a given. Now, maybe he skips out on like

882
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,280
is it though, Well, maybe he skips out on like

883
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,119
the fifty k plus Nolan at Oldham stuff. But other

884
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:19,360
than that, he's going to be in the mix.

885
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I haven't looked at the schedule that close yet.

886
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,199
That's kind of tonight's job. But here's the thing with Uri.

887
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,239
He's I think he's a mixed game first. And I

888
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,719
know how these mixed game guys are.

889
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: Is it.

890
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,199
Speaker 3: If there's a fifteen hundred horse, right, they'll play it.

891
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,239
If there's a three K toss, they'll play it. If

892
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,000
there's a ten KL eight, they'll play it. They're going

893
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:41,159
to just play the mixed game. So I think when

894
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:44,679
you see a schedule clash, you know, a fifteen hundred

895
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:47,719
horse versus a ten kp low, I think Uri will choose,

896
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:51,239
you know, the smaller buying, but the more of his

897
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,000
bread and butter.

898
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:54,199
Speaker 2: Now I don't disagree, but if.

899
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:56,039
Speaker 3: He breaks, if he busts out of that, yeah, he's

900
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:57,840
going to probably jump in the ten k. Oh, he's

901
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,960
gonna lay register. So that's probably going to hurt his chances.

902
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,840
The other thing is like, you know, we have pug

903
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,639
A Cup in a couple of weeks. Is he going

904
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,800
to come back for that? Now he is living in America.

905
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:11,519
I did speak to him about this. I told him, hey, look,

906
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,280
you know, do you understand the championship player of here?

907
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,519
He goes, no, can you well yeah, a little bit,

908
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:17,960
but can you tell me? I was like, okay, well,

909
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:21,559
end of the year, we have a championship. The guy

910
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:23,559
with the most points has the most chips. Obviously you're

911
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:26,639
leading right now. I explained to him the twenty five

912
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,719
k kind of bonus you get for winning player of

913
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,159
the year, and he goes, oh, awesome, awesome, Yeah, I

914
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,440
got lots of extra value. And I go, look at

915
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,840
our events are always on there. You know, will we

916
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,880
see him come out for some of those no limits?

917
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,519
I'm going to probably say no. So that's why, like,

918
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:45,639
you know, you got someone like an Alex foxon or

919
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:48,559
the you know, Nick Shulman, they're going to play all

920
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:50,079
the big stuff at the World Series. They're going to

921
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:54,199
play all our stuff season season long. You know, nine hundred,

922
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:58,440
You know, nine hundred points is a lot, but I

923
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,960
don't think it's as much now with you know, the

924
00:46:03,199 --> 00:46:06,519
little tweaks we made and kind of the volume that

925
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:08,840
you know, someone like an Alex Fox is gonna put

926
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,119
in where he had. He you know, he had three

927
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:13,199
thousand points last year. Several had twenty nine hundred, you know,

928
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,880
Chino twenty eight hundred. So although nine hundred is a

929
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,760
great start and might you know pretty much put your

930
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,079
bought in a seat for the championship, he's gonna have to,

931
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,239
you know, pretty much triple that if he wants to

932
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,079
win Player of the Year.

933
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it really just does come down to

934
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:33,280
his appetite for coming to more of our of our stuff.

935
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,360
And I would say right now, I mean I don't

936
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,760
know what his travel plans are. Maybe you do, but

937
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:43,440
I personally wouldn't have left Vegas only because WPT Venetian

938
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,960
win millions Poker gro Cup PGTPO series. It's back to

939
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:52,079
back to back back for two months straight. You know,

940
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:54,559
a month and a half straight of poker here in

941
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,519
Las Vegas, and there's plenty of like there's some mixed

942
00:46:57,519 --> 00:46:58,960
game stuff in there. I know it's some of the

943
00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:01,320
lower buy and stuff, but still there's some mixed game

944
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,800
stuff in there. And you know, we we do know

945
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,599
Yuri like he'll play all the way down to like

946
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:08,599
those fifteen hundred dollars mixed games. He doesn't care, like

947
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:10,639
he'll play them all, you know. And then also like

948
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:12,719
there's enough kind of higher buying stuff as well to

949
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,760
kind of wet his appetite in that regard. So you know,

950
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,440
I would say that if I was him, I would

951
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,519
certainly try and make the push to just be out

952
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:23,280
here to play that sort of stuff. And then you know,

953
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,480
if you want to scallop back, maybe you don't come

954
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,000
to US Poker Open or something like that. But you know,

955
00:47:29,039 --> 00:47:32,480
I would say, right now, you're hot, man, just just

956
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:36,039
keep you You're probably gonna win WPT Venetian one Poker

957
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:38,199
gro Cup event. I mean, this is how it's gonna happen, right,

958
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:40,760
So you know I would say that, yeah, you know,

959
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:43,639
have him keep coming out. And last year he didn't qualify.

960
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:45,280
He was finished one hundred and fifteenth place in the

961
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,079
leader board with six hundred and nineteen points, so he's

962
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:51,440
already well passed that. You know, I would think that

963
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,039
he's by far favorite to lock up a seat for sure,

964
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,039
basically like one result from this from the WSP and

965
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:00,960
a ten k plus event, then he'll just he'll be

966
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:01,920
locked in. Pretty much.

967
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:08,079
Speaker 3: Last year Ben Toleraine was the fortieth once adjusted for eligibility,

968
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,360
he'd one thousand and forty five points.

969
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 2: So he is.

970
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,199
Speaker 3: From cash away basically, right, like a couple of cashes,

971
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,320
a couple of small cashes away from from what we

972
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,239
think will be you know, the bottom.

973
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he also seems to me, like, like I

974
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:26,440
would say, if to you stay on him a little bit,

975
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,599
because he seems like a he seems like a titles guy,

976
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,400
Like he likes to win titles. He likes to have

977
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,400
his name out there, like he likes to win stuff.

978
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,360
You know, Like, yeah, obviously poker players do it for

979
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,760
the money, but I think Yury also like loves to

980
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,079
just be at the top. You know. Not that he's

981
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,280
in any way, shape or form like a cocky guy

982
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,000
at all, because he's not. He's the complete opposite, completely humble,

983
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:48,440
one of the nicest guys, if not the nicest guy

984
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,440
in poker. But I still think like just you know,

985
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,239
being able to stack up those those wins, the trophies,

986
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,480
all that sort of stuff is is great. So I

987
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,880
would love to have him, you know, come out. Maybe

988
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,079
he can turn into some content he you know, he

989
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,119
does a lot of content around his own you know,

990
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:05,840
maybe that's another angle for him.

991
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 3: He did that once six years ago, did that at

992
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,480
the Pokemonsa's I mean, we're.

993
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: Of course very welcoming to all the content creators in

994
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,360
inter in the in the poker studio. So yeah, yeah,

995
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:17,679
stay on his ass.

996
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 2: Let's go very funny, is you know?

997
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,199
Speaker 3: Speaking of that, I've had a couple of players ask me, like,

998
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,440
you know, what's the rules with you know, filming. Do

999
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,000
I have to fill anything out? And I got like,

1000
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,199
how do I get? Like how do I qualify? I'm like,

1001
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:34,000
you qualified? He messages us, You're good, bring your camera

1002
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:34,800
see you there.

1003
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's just general. The rules are basically

1004
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:40,719
general common sense. Don't be an idiot, don't be a dickhead,

1005
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,719
and like, well you'll probably be fine, like you know,

1006
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,639
if you're if you're acting a fool, or if you're

1007
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:47,960
making us or other players look bad, then we'll probably

1008
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,840
tell you to go kick rocks. But other than that,

1009
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,719
like it's pretty fine. You know, like we're pretty leaning

1010
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,480
overall in the studio and we want to benefit the

1011
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,239
players as much as you know, we like when the

1012
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,400
players benefit us, so you know, overall, it's all good.

1013
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,920
I think I'm gonna make the argument that Yuri is

1014
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,480
the favorite for players that year, Like I think we're

1015
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,679
gonna get some more volume out of him, and then

1016
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,840
I think he's I think he's just in line for

1017
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,440
a pretty big summer, Like he had a pretty bad

1018
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,599
summer I think last year, So I think this year

1019
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,960
things will turn the other way. The pendulum will swing

1020
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:27,119
and uh Ury will be in the mix for Player

1021
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:28,639
of the Year. And then also, like you gotta figure

1022
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:31,320
even if he doesn't come into Cup or USPO, let's

1023
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,119
say he has a big summer and now he's up

1024
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,679
two thousand points something like that, then it's like, okay,

1025
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,880
like I can really win this thing. Yeah, I'm coming

1026
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,840
to Masters, I'm coming to this other stuff, Like I'm

1027
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,639
gonna I'm gonna go for it. I would even say,

1028
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:47,280
like with him one hundred k buy in for Super

1029
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,199
High Roller Bowl, Like if that happens again at the

1030
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,039
end of the season, Like that's not out of his realm.

1031
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:54,159
His biggest score is in a one hundred and fifty

1032
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:57,400
k Nolan hold Him event. Yeah, Like, so he's he's

1033
00:50:57,639 --> 00:51:00,159
one of the best. Yes, he's known for mixed game

1034
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,800
more so, but he's certainly has enough that it takes

1035
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,960
to be able to compete at the you know, the

1036
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:08,679
six figure Nola math Holden price point as well. He's

1037
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,679
no slouch in any way, shape or form, which which

1038
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,840
probably you know, helped him a lot when he had

1039
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,800
some of these runs when when the big bet games

1040
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,800
were involved, you know, because he had a lot of

1041
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,239
success in these mixed games when the big bet games

1042
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:24,480
were involved in the various mixes, case and point being

1043
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:29,719
the Super High Rollable Mixed Games Ten Game Tournament, some

1044
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,519
other little PGT nuggets from this stretch of events to

1045
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:36,039
open the season. So Uri has the most wins with two,

1046
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:38,960
he has the most final tables with four, and he

1047
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:41,960
has the most podium finishes with four. So every time

1048
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,159
he's made the final table, he's made the podium. Every

1049
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:48,519
time he's cashed, he's finished in the podium right, every

1050
00:51:48,519 --> 00:51:50,960
time he's cash, he's finished in the top two, first

1051
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:51,440
or second.

1052
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: That's it.

1053
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,119
Speaker 1: He's got two wins and two second places. Crusher Chaddy East,

1054
00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:58,880
Legendchino Reeim have the most cases. They both have five

1055
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,639
cashes on the season, and then URIs of Alefski, Aril Mentell,

1056
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,480
Nick Schulman, Patrick Leonard and Matthew Wallman they each have

1057
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:10,239
four cases apiece. Next up for the PGT, I'll let

1058
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,320
Tim hit on these schedules a little bit more in depth,

1059
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,079
but we got the Poker Girl Cup coming up March

1060
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,960
first through fifteenth, and then we have the PGTPLO series

1061
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,719
at Venetian Las Vegas March twentieth through twenty ninth. What

1062
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,119
do you got on those schedules that you want to outline.

1063
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, Poko Cup, a little bit of a trying a

1064
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,000
fifth few new things for this series. We're kind of

1065
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:38,920
in partnership, I would say, with Win and Venetian. You know,

1066
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,840
we've tried to navigate this kind of three week stretch

1067
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,840
of poker so that everyone is you know, has the

1068
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,239
ability to play as much as I can. You know,

1069
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,559
we're going to start with a three K opening event.

1070
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:55,039
If you guys, remember we did a five K showcase

1071
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:56,920
for Poker Massa's this year, we're going to try a

1072
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,880
three K. See how that goes, same kind of concept,

1073
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,239
two starting flights a day two then something new for

1074
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,079
this series. And this is basically due to the overlap

1075
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:09,000
with Win Millions. Is we're going to run three single

1076
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:12,320
day five case on March fourth, fifth, and sixth. They

1077
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,039
will finish in a day and you know, there is

1078
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:16,760
some other events at the win We're trying to give

1079
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,920
players a chance to play both or you know, pick

1080
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,960
and choose how they go. Then we're actually taking the

1081
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,280
whole weekend off. You know, we take Sundays off this year.

1082
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:27,719
You know, we're taking Saturday and Sunday off basically due

1083
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:35,199
to a poker player's wedding and him stealing steal, yeah,

1084
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,159
more weddings. This is terrible, terrible decision making from these

1085
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:39,159
poker players.

1086
00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: Invited entire tours around these weddings and we can't get

1087
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,880
a damn invite. Not that I'm going to go over weddings,

1088
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:47,320
but you know.

1089
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:50,039
Speaker 2: H yeah, we should. Yeah, at least got an invite

1090
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:50,960
two days off.

1091
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,159
Speaker 3: You know, he's going to take twenty to thirty poker

1092
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:56,039
players out of the studio, so why even try and

1093
00:53:56,119 --> 00:53:58,760
run something. Give them the two days off, they'll come

1094
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:03,360
back fresh and and you know, let's be honest. The

1095
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,519
first one we're talking about is Joey Weisman. He is

1096
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,639
the defending Poco Cup champion. So with this actual schedule,

1097
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,400
he won't play every event, but he could play every event.

1098
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,360
I think he's going to get him. He might have

1099
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:17,960
to skip a couple of those single days, but he

1100
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:21,400
if he wanted to, he could play everything. And then

1101
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,239
that second week we're kind of back to normal. We

1102
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,559
hit we up the stakes, we go up to ten K,

1103
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,000
and it's those two day events all the way through

1104
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:30,840
to the twenty five K, sorry, the fifteen K finale,

1105
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:33,159
which is kind of the new thing this year. We

1106
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,400
as the players said, twenty five to much and you know,

1107
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:38,119
I've got something to kind of add to that once

1108
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:41,559
we get to that mailbag. But fifteen K finale, we're

1109
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:44,079
also going to try a satellite into that fifteen K

1110
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:45,719
for the first time, so when you really need the

1111
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,280
players to support that so we can keep that round.

1112
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:51,480
But yeah, looking forward to it. Ten events March first

1113
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:55,159
to fifteenth, New Trophies you know, I'm always excited about trophies.

1114
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:58,119
We've got new PoCA Go Cup trophies this year, both

1115
00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:00,800
the big one and the little ones, so hopefully the

1116
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,760
players appreciate that as well.

1117
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,559
Speaker 1: Well. I just wanted to ask you one thing. I

1118
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:06,559
don't think you hit on. Correct me if I'm wrong,

1119
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:09,760
if I'm a spaced out there, but I want to

1120
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,039
mention one thing and then I want to let you

1121
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:11,920
talk about one other thing.

1122
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:12,159
Speaker 3: Is that.

1123
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: One thing I want to mention is that these events,

1124
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,760
and I'm gonna say this a lot this season, these

1125
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,840
events are open to everyone, okayed the buy and you

1126
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,199
just need to come play. I think the PGT events

1127
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:25,079
and the stuff that happens inside the Pokergro studio tends

1128
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:28,039
to get the rap that it's kind of invite only

1129
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:31,159
or you need some sort of qualifying criteria or whatever

1130
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,000
to get in there. No, the only thing you need

1131
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:35,760
is the money. If you want to play a five K,

1132
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:36,960
you need the five K. If you want to play

1133
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:37,960
a three K, you need a three K. If you

1134
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,440
want to play a twenty five K, you need twenty

1135
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:39,760
five K.

1136
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 3: Like that.

1137
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: That's it. So you know you are welcome to come

1138
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,920
on in and play those events if they fit your schedule,

1139
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,599
if they fit your bank well, all that sort of stuff.

1140
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:48,760
And then along those lines, there's a lot of satellites,

1141
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,239
right or two satellites for this, so.

1142
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,639
Speaker 3: There's yeah, two satellites for the three K. Then is

1143
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:57,480
that that new twenty three hundred dollars satellite for the

1144
00:55:57,519 --> 00:55:58,119
fifteen K.

1145
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you don't have the full bankrell, get

1146
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,519
into the satellites. I'm going to try and play some

1147
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:04,639
of those three hundred dollars satellites. Get into that three

1148
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,840
K opener. That's that's my jam right there. So yeah,

1149
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,920
you know, definitely check out PGT dot com slash schedule

1150
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,920
for all the events if if you know, if your

1151
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,960
bankroll is flush enough that you're able to gamble in

1152
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,199
there and can get in on the PGT or if

1153
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,639
if you know it's a little bit lower and you

1154
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:25,880
want some satellite offerings, they got those two. Overall, I

1155
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,639
think it'll be good. I'm curious how this this three

1156
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,760
K performs at the start. I think it's gonna do well.

1157
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,920
I think it's timed really well with everything that's happening

1158
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,000
in the Las Vegas. You know, you got WPT Venetian

1159
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:38,320
that's a five K You got thirty five hundred dollars

1160
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,960
win Millions Championship event, and then you got our three

1161
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,400
K Poker Rol Cup Showcase to open things up there.

1162
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,360
So you know, for that sort of price point player

1163
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,519
like that's like bang bang bang, you can do all three.

1164
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,960
It's a nice little stretch of stuff, you know. I

1165
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,920
know we often talk about poker in Las Vegas centered

1166
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,679
around everything in the summer and now centered around a

1167
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,719
lot of stuff in December, right, but I think this

1168
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,960
has become a quite a nice window as well with

1169
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:07,639
everything that's happening, this little six week stretch, five week

1170
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:10,000
stretch that's happening if you want to include the Mixed

1171
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,920
Game series a little bit, you know, longer of a stretch,

1172
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,320
but just for the kind of the big bet focus,

1173
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:18,880
the Nola Holdham focus, You're getting a really nice stretch

1174
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,039
of stuff at Venetian at Win and at the Poker

1175
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:25,920
Grol Studio. So definitely check out those schedules, try and

1176
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,920
pair it up. We would encourage you, of course to

1177
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,760
play the Poker Girl Cup opener and see if you

1178
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,639
guys can parlay that into something. But overall, just a

1179
00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:36,480
really good time to play poker in Las Vegas. So

1180
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,079
so come on out. I know Tim and I will

1181
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:39,679
be playing a lot of that stuff, or trying to

1182
00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:41,760
play a lot of that stuff at Venetion and and win,

1183
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,400
you know, leading into some of the stuff that happens

1184
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,039
at the studio when we have to work. So you

1185
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:48,639
can also see us around town say hello, chat it

1186
00:57:48,679 --> 00:57:50,880
up a bit. Always love to meet the listeners. And

1187
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:58,159
then after that PLO baby, Yeah, we pumped he he's

1188
00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:00,000
pumped for we talked all about the other day.

1189
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: Good. Yeah.

1190
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 3: We're heading over to the Venetian, Las Vegas for the

1191
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,400
new PLO series and it's a you know, look, if

1192
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,199
you thought us our previous PLO series a little too expensive,

1193
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,880
this one's for you. We're opening with a three kmi

1194
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,920
flight half a million dollar guarantee, and then we get

1195
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,280
into a stretch of five k two day high rollers.

1196
00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:23,719
You know PLO. We've got a Cottro Brownie, we have

1197
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,480
a Mystery Bownie, and then we're doing the ten k

1198
00:58:26,639 --> 00:58:32,360
PLO Championship half a million dollar guarantee there. This championship

1199
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,960
will be a really slow structure. You can register on

1200
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,599
the start of day too as well. It is unlimited

1201
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:43,199
re entries, and yeah, we're trying to give you know,

1202
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:47,119
a price point for players kind of basically resembling what

1203
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:49,519
we do with the one hundred k Super High Rollerball,

1204
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:53,320
but at a price point substantially less. And then on

1205
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,000
those final two days in March twenty eighth and twenty ninth,

1206
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:58,800
we're doing some single day five ks. So yes, it's

1207
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:03,760
a considerable cheaper series. That's what we normally do with

1208
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,960
the PGTPLO series, and we're just trying something different.

1209
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: Like I said, we made a lot of.

1210
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 3: These decisions pre the twenty twenty six so taking it

1211
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,599
into account what kind of what we would see with

1212
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:18,920
the taxes and all that stuff. And uh yeah, I

1213
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,599
think a lot of players of lacking this as you said,

1214
00:59:21,679 --> 00:59:23,519
John Yordins, and a lot of the local guys are in.

1215
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:26,400
Hopefully we get you know, people traveling from Texas and

1216
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,679
wherever to come play the PGTPLO series of Venetian and

1217
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,320
you know what satellites. Yes, I'm the many satellites.

1218
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: Hiring into some of these satellites. I'm not a big

1219
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:38,119
PLO player, but I have been playing a bit more

1220
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:40,119
of it as of late. I really do like the game.

1221
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:42,360
I want to learn more of it. So I don't

1222
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,400
think I'm just ready to dive into a three K

1223
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,599
or higher right now. Yeah, but I'm certainly going to

1224
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:49,599
get into some of these satellites, try and win a

1225
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:51,880
seat and then try and go from there. I think,

1226
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:54,159
you know, this sort of offering is just going to

1227
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:58,519
be really great. I hope the hell it succeeds because

1228
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:01,320
I think it's it's an awesome idea. So yeah, if

1229
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,440
you love PLO, come support the damp thing.

1230
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:05,159
Speaker 2: Let's go. Yeah.

1231
01:00:05,239 --> 01:00:08,679
Speaker 3: Look, basically, we have four satellite opportunities with three C

1232
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,360
guarantees into the thirty three hundred main event, and then

1233
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:15,280
the night before each of the five ks we have

1234
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,320
a five hundred and sixty dollar PLO satellite, and then

1235
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,480
the night before the PLO Championship we do an eleven

1236
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:23,559
hundred one, and then the night of day one we

1237
01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:26,599
also do eleven hundred because you can obviously maxilate on

1238
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,119
day two. So lots of chances for people to take

1239
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:31,800
shots when a satellite seat getting to the you know,

1240
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,800
one of these PGTPLO series events.

1241
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:38,079
Speaker 1: I love it. And again all the PGT stuff PGT

1242
01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:42,840
dot com slash schedule, the satellites are listed there. Tim

1243
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,800
keeps that updated as much to date as he can.

1244
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,559
I know he's been trying to finalize the US poke

1245
01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:51,960
groping schedule, for example, so once that becomes available, you know,

1246
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,000
if you don't hear about it on this podcast, you

1247
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,280
can just check that page pretty regularly. Of course, stay

1248
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,679
tuned to all the various Poker gro and pg social

1249
01:01:00,679 --> 01:01:04,199
media channels as well for updates there. So that's where

1250
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:09,199
you can get all of your PGT stuff. Next up,

1251
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:11,920
it's mailbag time. Had a bunch of questions come in.

1252
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:16,280
I'm going to be answering four maybe five of them.

1253
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,800
I think one might be a two parter here, but

1254
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,719
we'll get into them. Tim will share our thoughts on this.

1255
01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:27,239
First up, we got Andy Heidelberg who said, for the

1256
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,519
last few years there's been talk about how more people

1257
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:33,920
per year should be inducted into the Poker Hall of Fame.

1258
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,079
One of the reasons for this is the amazing growth

1259
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:39,760
in numbers over the last ten to twenty thirty forty

1260
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,280
fifty years. How hard people would have laughed in nineteen

1261
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,239
seventy nine if you said a thousand person main event,

1262
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,239
forget about ten thousand would happen growth means more. Now,

1263
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:52,639
all of a sudden, an influential voice is saying there

1264
01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:57,079
are too many bracelets. Seems inconsistent to say more Hall

1265
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:00,280
of Fame but also say a fewer bracelets. Am I

1266
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,480
missing something? I want to say. The in influential voice

1267
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,000
is Josh Aria, I think was saying some bracelet stuff

1268
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,760
on Twitter. But you know, if I'm wrong, there, forgive me.

1269
01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:14,679
I mean, I'll take this one first. I just think

1270
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:17,440
that I think that the two arguments are coming from

1271
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,480
different places. I'm not not necessarily going to tie them together.

1272
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:23,239
You know. I think when you're suggesting that there are

1273
01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:26,400
too many bracelets, you know your guests. My guess is

1274
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,559
that that influential voice is saying that because he thinks

1275
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:34,039
the bracelets are a little bit more watered down or

1276
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:36,119
as watered down as they ever have been, and that

1277
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:39,400
there's more value in scarcity, which I do agree with there.

1278
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:41,960
And then as it relates to the Hall of Fame,

1279
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:45,679
I think that idea of wanting to put more in

1280
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,239
is that there's just at the rate of one year

1281
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,360
per many, and I know they did did two last

1282
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,400
year technically with the the the off the cuff one

1283
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,519
of Michael MSS Rocky when he won the main event.

1284
01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:58,960
But at a rate of one per year, just with

1285
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,880
the current backlog of players that should likely qualify and

1286
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,480
get in, it's just never going to happen. So you

1287
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:10,280
got to kind of start getting more in there, so

1288
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,800
probably go to two per year, maybe three per year.

1289
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,639
I don't know. I think it should just be kind

1290
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:16,440
of a voting thing, and then you know, if you

1291
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,800
get a certain amount of votes, you're in. So like

1292
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,280
some years, maybe that's eight people get in. Some years

1293
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,199
maybe it's one person gets in. Like it's kind of

1294
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:26,280
all over the place. It's never just one. It's never

1295
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,679
like a set number of people get in. It's it's

1296
01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:31,119
based on if you get the qualifying votes, then yes

1297
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:33,679
you should should get in, because there will be years,

1298
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,559
you know, in a perfect world, some years there might

1299
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:39,039
be a bunch of people that are eligible and qualify

1300
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:42,719
and people want to induct. In other years, maybe there's zero. Honestly,

1301
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,920
maybe no one deserves to get in in a given year.

1302
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,760
Who knows, you know. I can see how Andy here,

1303
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,559
you know, might think that there's a bit of an

1304
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:52,880
inconsistency with these two things. But I just don't particularly

1305
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,119
you know, draw the line as these two things being connected.

1306
01:03:56,159 --> 01:03:58,599
I think they're rather two independent thoughts. And that's how

1307
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:01,800
I think, you know, the influence your voice, who talked

1308
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,800
about this is kind of kind of coming about it.

1309
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 3: Look, we're gont have a number of bracelets. We're basically

1310
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:10,760
averaging like two hundred and forty a year, and that

1311
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:12,360
number is not gonna go down. It might go down

1312
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,239
one or two, but it's not gonna go down dramatically.

1313
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,599
I think we're we're gonna have one hundred bracelet events

1314
01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:18,920
this year. I think that's gonna be pretty much the cap.

1315
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:21,679
You're gonna have online, you're gonna have Europe, you're gonna

1316
01:04:21,679 --> 01:04:24,960
have Paradise. You're gonna have an online series in October

1317
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:29,079
on both WSP and GG. Will we see WSP Macaw

1318
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:33,800
or Asia Pacific or Antarctica. Probably, So bracelets are going

1319
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,639
to go up. The real problem here is the Hall

1320
01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:39,880
of Fame. And I'm gonna read you some names, Okay,

1321
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:44,280
Donnie Scott, Severer, Ben Lamb, Jeremy As, Josh Aria, Antonio

1322
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,719
s Fandiari, Mike Madison, Ted Forrest.

1323
01:04:47,159 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 2: Those people.

1324
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:53,559
Speaker 3: Have already been up for nomination or have not been nominated.

1325
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,679
But they qualify. You know, whether you think they deserve

1326
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,960
to go in, that's up to you. But I would

1327
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,920
say probably yes to those guys. I'm going to read

1328
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,119
you another to set of names al.

1329
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: Ready, names did you give me just now?

1330
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:06,679
Speaker 2: Like eight, one, two?

1331
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: I would say that I would say that probably probably

1332
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,880
four to five of them deserve to get in.

1333
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to give you the names of people,

1334
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,960
and I'm using a website. I'm not going to name

1335
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,360
the website. I'm going to give your names of people

1336
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,400
that are eligible in twenty twenty six, and you tell

1337
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,599
me if they're deserving. Okay, I'm going to read this

1338
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:35,800
in a particular order just to tell you. Jeffrey Platt nope, Okay.

1339
01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:37,199
Speaker 1: Do I even need to respond?

1340
01:05:38,159 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: Jonathan Tomayo.

1341
01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 3: Nope, Okay, moving on, what is this website just polker

1342
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,920
half dot com? Okay, let's get a real name. Mike

1343
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:58,039
Grodinsky Okay, all right, Okay, John Raisner, No, okay. Jason

1344
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:00,639
Kohon Yeah, I mean he I think we have to.

1345
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 2: Look outside the world serious here, right, He's.

1346
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:05,079
Speaker 1: The first one on that list that I would consider.

1347
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:09,840
I I personally, in my own thoughts, I think Hall

1348
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,840
of fame should be the absolute top of the top.

1349
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,559
This is not the Hall of very good, This is

1350
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:17,559
not the hall of you know, we're giving out ribbons

1351
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:19,880
for people. Know, this is the hall of the absolute elite.

1352
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 3: Okay, so then I'm going to give you the first

1353
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:27,360
ballant name for this year. My best friend in the

1354
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,719
poker world Sean Deep.

1355
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: Right, Shawn Deep's for sure in there.

1356
01:06:33,679 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: So, like, you know, we name some of those names.

1357
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,679
Speaker 3: Now if we're only putting, Let's say, if we even

1358
01:06:37,719 --> 01:06:41,000
put two this year and we put in Okay, Osmus

1359
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:42,920
and Deep. Hypothetically, you know, we still have some of

1360
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,119
these namess Fandiari, josh Aria. You know, I still think

1361
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,760
Mike Mattisons deserving pretty strong names. Let's just fast forward

1362
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,880
a little bit to twenty twenty seven. Throw a couple

1363
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,599
more names, are you real quick? And I'll stuff there.

1364
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:59,559
Jason Mercier, Tom Dwan, Chris and Foxon. You know, these

1365
01:06:59,559 --> 01:07:05,199
people multi brace winners and obviously have careers that extend

1366
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,159
to the online fell and all around the world. And look,

1367
01:07:08,159 --> 01:07:10,760
it's only going to get hotter and harder every year.

1368
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,960
So I think now they should be looking at this

1369
01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:16,360
list that I'm looking at that has eligibility all the

1370
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,679
way to twenty thirty five and say, look, we're gonna

1371
01:07:20,719 --> 01:07:24,320
have some issues coming up. Let's rethink this, let's make

1372
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,400
it three four five this year, and then now we're

1373
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:28,679
in a good spot going forward.

1374
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: One of the problems that I like wrestle with and

1375
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,679
I can't fully wrap my head around. Maybe you can

1376
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,000
help me with it, is that you know, you mentioned

1377
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,760
someone like Jeremy Osmas, you mentioned a Kristen Fox and right,

1378
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:47,119
And the reason you're mentioning that them is because they

1379
01:07:47,199 --> 01:07:50,519
obviously have a certain number of accolades, and then they

1380
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:55,440
also meet the requirement of being forty years old. I

1381
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:57,679
think the age just has to go way up.

1382
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 2: I agree with that.

1383
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: My reason is, like Kristen Fox is a good example,

1384
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,920
is that she's kind of still right now in the

1385
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:10,360
peak of her powers. So if and when her name

1386
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,400
gets on the list, if the person's in the peak

1387
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,600
of their powers, you're gonna just kind of rate them higher, yep.

1388
01:08:18,119 --> 01:08:21,239
Versus like let's say someone like a Jason Mercier for example,

1389
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,079
you know, he's just he's been out of the game,

1390
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,560
like not not out of the game. He's still in

1391
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,720
the game, of course, but like out of the spotlight

1392
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,720
of the game for a decent amount of time where

1393
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,039
you can look at it and you can say, like, Okay,

1394
01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:38,000
is he still deserved to get in? And I think

1395
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:40,439
a lot of people, myself included, would make the case

1396
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,960
that yes, Jason Mercier should get in. But I think

1397
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,520
that you need that time away to be able to

1398
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,479
look back on it as opposed to the person being

1399
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,920
front and center of your mind right now. Like if

1400
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,199
Kristin Foxen stopped playing poker today, or if Jeremie olismonth

1401
01:08:55,239 --> 01:08:57,479
stopped playing poker today, or if for somebody who is

1402
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,159
like just turns forty stops playing poker. If if you

1403
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:02,960
fast forward twenty years, do you still look back on

1404
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,319
their career and say, this person's Hall of Fame worthy?

1405
01:09:06,039 --> 01:09:08,439
Or are you only selecting them to be in the

1406
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,439
Hall of Fame because they're so in your face right now.

1407
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:13,640
So that's why I think, like you have to just

1408
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,640
and maybe the number of forty, the forty years old

1409
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,960
thing was made that way because years and years and

1410
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,239
years ago it was forty was just much older than

1411
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,319
forty is now. I mean, forty is.

1412
01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 2: Like younges these days.

1413
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: So that's why that's why I struggle with the age

1414
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,520
thing because it's like a lot of these people that

1415
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,000
are nominated at forty are still just very much in

1416
01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:36,000
your face and they probably get a bit of a

1417
01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:38,359
boost from that. Now, that doesn't mean that they don't

1418
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:40,199
deserve to get in. I'm not saying that, right, I'm

1419
01:09:40,199 --> 01:09:42,079
just saying that there's still very much like in your

1420
01:09:42,119 --> 01:09:45,600
face that when you're looking at two people, you might

1421
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,760
be you might shed it or shade it towards going

1422
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,760
to the person who's just more in your face at

1423
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,800
that time versus somebody who's not, because it's just front

1424
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,520
and center and it's all you know right now.

1425
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 3: So yeah, I have this theory with the Poker Hall

1426
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:05,640
of Fame, and you know, unfortunately, you know, someone we're

1427
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,439
pretty close with, Jeremy Osma, is probably not going to

1428
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,920
like what I'm going to say. But my theory with

1429
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,279
the Hall of Fame is that when you're considering someone

1430
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,720
can if you're writing, you know, the history of poker,

1431
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,159
would they be in this book?

1432
01:10:22,119 --> 01:10:22,399
Speaker 2: Now?

1433
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 3: The way I look at that is, unfortunately, Jeremy Osmus, no,

1434
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,000
you're probably not making If I was to write this book,

1435
01:10:27,039 --> 01:10:30,840
you might not make it. Right now, someone like Scott

1436
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,960
Severa who didn't get who was nominated last year but

1437
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,359
didn't get in. Yeah, three bracelets Player of the Year.

1438
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,720
I think you would be in the book. Christen Foxon

1439
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:44,319
just domination as a female with bracelets and titles all around,

1440
01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:47,840
she would probably be in that book. Now, someone else

1441
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,439
that would make it that probably won't get in. I

1442
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,760
think you can't write the book on the history of

1443
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,840
poker without mentioning Tom Dwan. So although he may not

1444
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,760
qualify in the current world, he would qualify in how

1445
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,279
I kind of feel like the Hall of Fame should

1446
01:11:02,279 --> 01:11:04,840
be And obviously my theory it's going to knock a

1447
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,640
lot of these people out, but yeah, it's going to

1448
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,479
bring some people in that, you know, a lot of

1449
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,960
others may not think are deserving, such as you know,

1450
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,039
I think Mike Mattis or Ted Forrest. You know Ted

1451
01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:18,560
Forrest winning was a three bracelets in three days back

1452
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,199
in then. You know, I think that in itself is

1453
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:24,199
an accomplishment that obviously will never be repeated due to

1454
01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:28,239
the the way events are now, but even at the time,

1455
01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:31,159
it's just something incredible and I don't think you could

1456
01:11:31,159 --> 01:11:33,960
write that history of poker without him. You know, and

1457
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,479
as we go down the list and we start looking

1458
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,800
at you know, like I said, I think Tom Dwan.

1459
01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:41,439
You know, if it's a history of poker, it's not

1460
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,399
just WSP. You have to look at WPT. You know,

1461
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,479
someone like a Darren Elias is going to he's going

1462
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,640
to shift up a little bit in the rankings. You know,

1463
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,399
we're going to talk about cash games, You're going to

1464
01:11:51,399 --> 01:11:53,840
talk about the biggest parts in televised history. You know,

1465
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,720
Andrew Roebel is going to be moved up the rankings

1466
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:01,279
a little bit. We're going to look at the trying events.

1467
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:03,399
You're going to look at obviously Jason Kohn with all

1468
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,199
those titles, and you know, in a few years, who

1469
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:08,119
knows who else will be kind of with him. So

1470
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:10,039
that's the way I view the Hall of Fame. You know,

1471
01:12:10,079 --> 01:12:13,119
I'm probably in the minority, but that's my take on it.

1472
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:18,359
But undercurrent you know, criteria and how many people they

1473
01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:20,439
put in, it's going to be tough. And I think

1474
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,359
they need to change several aspects of it, such as

1475
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:25,279
I don't think the age they need to change, or

1476
01:12:25,279 --> 01:12:27,880
they would help, but let a few more people in,

1477
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,000
you know, even if it's just going to two. Going

1478
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,920
to two would be a dramatic difference. I think going

1479
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,880
to three is fine with one of those, say every

1480
01:12:36,039 --> 01:12:39,439
three years, being like an industry member. You know, they

1481
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,800
talk about Lana Normal, they talk about Mats Savage, they

1482
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:45,399
talk about you know, the industry side. You know, maybe

1483
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,760
one every five years or something, you vote one of

1484
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,600
those in. But yeah, I think some changes need to happen.

1485
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,640
I just I just don't know if they if they

1486
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:55,359
will do anything.

1487
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean listening, going to two is better than

1488
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,720
leaving it at one. Having the industry person thing every

1489
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,000
so many years is better. But I think the best

1490
01:13:06,039 --> 01:13:09,000
way is just you get X amount of votes you're in,

1491
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,039
and there's there's a line like r x amount of

1492
01:13:12,039 --> 01:13:13,640
points or however you want to do it. You know,

1493
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,079
every voter get I think.

1494
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:15,520
Speaker 2: He had ten.

1495
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,520
Speaker 3: I think he had ten votes, and you can assign

1496
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,079
them any way you want, so you can go one one,

1497
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:23,760
one on one, ten, ten, like ten and zero, five

1498
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,000
and five. So like you'd have to look at obviously,

1499
01:13:26,079 --> 01:13:28,399
every time you add people that the amount of voting

1500
01:13:28,399 --> 01:13:31,399
members goes up, so you'd have to kind of that vote.

1501
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,279
That line you're setting will have to adjust every year.

1502
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,039
Speaker 1: I agree. I also think the voting needs to be

1503
01:13:37,079 --> 01:13:43,199
open to certain industry members or members of the media

1504
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,560
that meet some sort of criteria or whatever. I wouldn't

1505
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,960
go as far as like the GPI did when they

1506
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,039
were having some of the people who had weighed in

1507
01:13:53,079 --> 01:13:55,720
those awards. But I also wouldn't keep it to just

1508
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,960
Hall of Fame members. You know, I've had enough converse

1509
01:14:00,399 --> 01:14:03,239
with just Hall of Fame members about it that I

1510
01:14:03,239 --> 01:14:05,680
think that that's somewhat flawed and could be improved upon.

1511
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,119
Speaker 2: So you could do it could be way.

1512
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:10,399
Speaker 3: It could be twenty five percent media seventy five Hall

1513
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:11,520
of Fame members, but.

1514
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: There's definitely ways to improve it. I will say that

1515
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,960
I'm very I know we talk about this every single year.

1516
01:14:17,159 --> 01:14:18,880
I kind of hate talking about it because I've just

1517
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,479
wanted to put it past me. But I will say

1518
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,800
that I think it's I think it's going to get changed.

1519
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:25,399
I don't know if it will get changed for this

1520
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,840
year or going forward, but I think there are changes coming.

1521
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,920
I have absolutely no insider info as it comes to that,

1522
01:14:31,079 --> 01:14:33,560
other than the fact that I've seen a lot of

1523
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,079
changes in the last year and a half to two

1524
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:39,119
years under the gg poker ownership as it pertains to

1525
01:14:39,119 --> 01:14:41,920
the DIVISIP. I think the biggest thing is, of course

1526
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,960
thesp plus app, you know, and I think I would

1527
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,319
I would imagine again, I have no insider info whatsoever,

1528
01:14:49,359 --> 01:14:51,720
but I would imagine somebody like a Jeff Platt or

1529
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,239
a TJ. Reid is like, has this on their list

1530
01:14:55,239 --> 01:14:58,079
of things they want to improve? You know.

1531
01:14:58,119 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 3: I wonder if now that you know Jeff does hopefully

1532
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:02,039
still listen to the pot and.

1533
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:04,039
Speaker 2: The fact that I said his.

1534
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: Still screw him. No, But I think I think those

1535
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:16,920
changes will will eventually come. Michael Larimer, Hello, Greatest poker

1536
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,560
podcast in the line. That's damn right. Michael said he

1537
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,439
wanted to submit a couple of questions. Uh, when he

1538
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,359
sees top pros firing twelve bullets in the Superman I

1539
01:15:25,399 --> 01:15:28,920
think the highest was fourteen. I believe it evaporates any

1540
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,279
desire I had to play. Do you think something needs

1541
01:15:31,319 --> 01:15:34,439
to be done to curb entries? Or am I just overreacting?

1542
01:15:35,399 --> 01:15:38,399
I'll go first. I can't say that I blame Michael

1543
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,760
for feeling this way. I I somewhat feel this way too,

1544
01:15:43,159 --> 01:15:45,279
But I also think that it's just the nature of

1545
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,840
that Beast, that WISP Paradise Super Main Event Beast. You know,

1546
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,000
I think that that event and that that series is

1547
01:15:53,319 --> 01:15:55,840
it's made a certain way. It's to cater to a

1548
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:59,760
certain type of poker player, and yeah, you're gonna get

1549
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:04,840
some shot takers, some qualifiers, some people chasing those promotions. Yes,

1550
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,640
but I think just just knowing that it's it's not

1551
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,000
supposed to be the same thing as the ws AP

1552
01:16:12,079 --> 01:16:15,319
in the summer is I just personally don't view it

1553
01:16:15,399 --> 01:16:18,000
like that. I don't think it's been put out like

1554
01:16:18,039 --> 01:16:20,640
that in the start. I think it's just it's a

1555
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,359
dobasipy high roller series, super high roll issies. That's what

1556
01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:26,640
it is, right, So if that stops you from playing it,

1557
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,039
I get it. I totally understand it. It's probably why

1558
01:16:29,039 --> 01:16:31,359
I won't ever play it, because I feel like I'm

1559
01:16:31,399 --> 01:16:33,479
going in there at a little bit of disadvantage. And

1560
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,600
that's not just with this event. I've opted to not

1561
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,159
take shots in some other events where I felt kind

1562
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:41,159
of the same way. The biggest one I think would

1563
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:43,880
be WBT five Diamond in the past, where you just

1564
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:45,800
know that people are in there for endless bullets and

1565
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,920
I might be able to fire one or two. Now,

1566
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,600
there's obviously some middle ground when you have these bigger

1567
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,079
buying events that have only like one entry per day

1568
01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:55,279
or two entries per day or something like that, so

1569
01:16:55,319 --> 01:16:57,560
you feel a little bit more on par with everyone else.

1570
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:00,920
But I can't blame Michael, and I'm sure many people

1571
01:17:01,119 --> 01:17:03,239
feel this sort of way. But I also do think that,

1572
01:17:03,319 --> 01:17:06,239
you know, the WSP Superman Event has its place in poker,

1573
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,680
like I think that it's again, it's an event catered

1574
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,119
towards the super high roll or crowd, and that's what

1575
01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:16,920
it's designed for. I mean, even the structure itself is

1576
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,079
designed to pump as many bolts in the damn thing

1577
01:17:19,119 --> 01:17:22,399
as possible, right, So I think that it's fine. You know,

1578
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,279
if it turns you off from playing it, I get it,

1579
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:27,800
you know, but you're always going to have the w

1580
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,720
SP Man Event in the summer, which is still the

1581
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,439
biggest and best tournament in the world. So you know,

1582
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,199
I wouldn't worry too much about not being able to

1583
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,079
play this event or not wanting to play it for

1584
01:17:38,119 --> 01:17:41,159
that reason, because there is still a lot of poker. Now,

1585
01:17:41,279 --> 01:17:44,920
let's say, in some crazy hypothetical world, if they were

1586
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,560
to have taken what they did with the WSP Superman

1587
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,119
event and make that the new w SP main event

1588
01:17:50,119 --> 01:17:52,720
in the summer. Then I think, Okay, everyone freak out,

1589
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,039
and that's just over the line. But they're two different things.

1590
01:17:56,039 --> 01:17:58,960
They're offered in two different places, two different you know,

1591
01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:00,920
two very different times times of the year. So I

1592
01:18:01,159 --> 01:18:02,800
think it's fine to have both of them. But I

1593
01:18:03,039 --> 01:18:04,359
do understand where's coming from.

1594
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, firstly, congrats on you, Michael for having potentially

1595
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:09,880
twenty five K play.

1596
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:14,319
Speaker 2: But how rich, Yeah, how rich.

1597
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a world for these kind of events,

1598
01:18:18,119 --> 01:18:22,119
and there's obviously worlds for the ten K freeze out.

1599
01:18:23,119 --> 01:18:26,239
I think you have to offer variety for all the

1600
01:18:26,279 --> 01:18:28,800
poker players out there, and yes, this does appeal to

1601
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,880
you know, the top pros being able to fly, you know,

1602
01:18:32,039 --> 01:18:35,760
fire endless bullets. Now that sounds like it's not for you.

1603
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:37,920
It's definitely not for me, it's probably not for Donnie.

1604
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,640
So we just go find something else to play. That's

1605
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:44,039
the beauty of poker in the last few years that

1606
01:18:44,119 --> 01:18:47,720
we've just had this you know, gluttony of events and

1607
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,640
options all around the world and all around the city

1608
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,039
you're in, you know, obviously us being in Las Vegas

1609
01:18:54,119 --> 01:18:57,439
is you know, a luxury, So yeah, you can kind

1610
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:02,119
of pick and choose. Does it, you know, hurt poker

1611
01:19:03,119 --> 01:19:07,399
a little bit, But it's like I said, it's these

1612
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:11,560
events are not that you know, there's not endless multi

1613
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,279
flyer twenty five k's, multi entry twenty five k's all

1614
01:19:14,279 --> 01:19:16,920
around the world, So I think it's fine.

1615
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 2: You obviously get to choose to play it.

1616
01:19:19,159 --> 01:19:21,319
Speaker 3: I don't think we need a curb re entries because

1617
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,439
when you look at it from the industry side of things,

1618
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,680
that's where you know that extra revenue comes in for

1619
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,800
these poker rooms. So I don't think re entries will

1620
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,039
ever go away. They have to just find a balance

1621
01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:34,920
with freeze outs, and you have to find a balance

1622
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:36,439
with the buy ins, and you have to find a

1623
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:40,680
balance with the type of events you're offering. All these

1624
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,000
companies want to they all want a money grab, They

1625
01:19:43,039 --> 01:19:45,319
all want as much riag as they can, but they

1626
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,279
I think a lot of them are still trying to protect,

1627
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,680
you know, what poker is, whether that's with freeze outs

1628
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,640
or with the events that you know, if WSP cared

1629
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,680
about money, they would probably never run a mixed game tournament.

1630
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,960
Let's be honest, everything would be multi entry, multi flying

1631
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,600
elemen hold them in pay a lot. But look, it's

1632
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,279
obviously they still care about you know, they still care

1633
01:20:07,319 --> 01:20:09,720
about the brands, still care about the game because you know,

1634
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:13,000
fifteen hundred Horse and Dealer's Choice and Raz and they're

1635
01:20:13,039 --> 01:20:16,319
all still on the schedule. So yeah, that's kind of

1636
01:20:16,359 --> 01:20:17,840
my take on it.

1637
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: And then the second part here to Michael's question, he said,

1638
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:22,359
you also love to hear our thoughts on the twenty

1639
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,720
twenty six tax deduction change. From my perspective, it seems

1640
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,560
pretty devastating. What's the best case you've heard for the

1641
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,920
whole thing being overblown? Where do you land on the debate?

1642
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:34,920
I know, Tim and I've talked about this a little

1643
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,680
bit in the past. Right now, where I stand is

1644
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,279
that I obviously don't think it's a good thing. You know,

1645
01:20:41,319 --> 01:20:43,039
anytime you're trying to take more money out of the

1646
01:20:43,079 --> 01:20:46,159
pockets of poker players, it's not a good thing. But

1647
01:20:46,199 --> 01:20:48,720
I would also guess that it's not going to slow

1648
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:52,239
down much, both in the greater poker sense and then

1649
01:20:52,279 --> 01:20:57,199
also for me personally. I mean, listen, these are just

1650
01:20:57,279 --> 01:20:59,720
kind of the new rules, the new guidelines that we

1651
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,000
have to play by, and it's gonna be a little

1652
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,760
bit of more money out of everyone's pocket. But that's

1653
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,520
just how it is. There's nothing we can do really

1654
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,720
to change anything. You know. Obviously we can try and

1655
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:15,680
voice our support to get it taken away, to get

1656
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,920
it reverted back to what it was, and and hopefully

1657
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,000
that does happen. So I'll kind of try and remain

1658
01:21:20,039 --> 01:21:23,279
positive in that light. But overall, I would say generally

1659
01:21:23,319 --> 01:21:26,640
it's it's probably more overblown than not. You know, again,

1660
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:28,760
I don't want I don't want you to confuse me

1661
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,279
or twist what I'm saying in that it's I don't

1662
01:21:32,319 --> 01:21:34,560
think it's a positive thing. I don't think it's something

1663
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,960
that we should just completely ignore to the extent that

1664
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,800
we're not trying to fix it. But I do think that,

1665
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,319
you know, it's a little bit overblown and like all

1666
01:21:43,319 --> 01:21:45,000
these people out there saying like no one's gonna play

1667
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,039
poker anymore, And if I said that in the past,

1668
01:21:47,039 --> 01:21:50,560
I've definitely changed my tune on it. Just also seeing

1669
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,720
some of the numbers, like I think we'll still see

1670
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,039
the biggest pullback in the really high buy and stuff,

1671
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,640
and then it'll kind of just scale from there and

1672
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,439
just be more normal as you get down to like

1673
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,239
the the price points that like Tim and myself play.

1674
01:22:03,079 --> 01:22:05,600
So yeah, you know, I think it's also going to

1675
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:07,600
be kind of a wait and see approach, at least

1676
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,520
for this year. People are just gonna be doing whatever

1677
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:13,239
they do and then tax season will come around, then

1678
01:22:13,279 --> 01:22:15,239
maybe they get hit, then maybe they adjust for the

1679
01:22:15,279 --> 01:22:18,039
next year. But for this year, I don't really say

1680
01:22:19,359 --> 01:22:23,159
it's going to affect poker overall too much. I think

1681
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:28,479
the number of venues that are running big tournament series

1682
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,279
against one another is going to have a greater effect

1683
01:22:31,399 --> 01:22:36,319
on poker in terms of like tournament numbers then this

1684
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:38,840
tax thing will. That's kind of where I'm at in it.

1685
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:39,960
So what do you got?

1686
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we've had discussions about this, and we

1687
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,199
thought it was going to be a big drop off,

1688
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:47,600
and then we ran a series that had record breaking numbers.

1689
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:51,960
So it's hard to really feel like what's going to happen.

1690
01:22:52,079 --> 01:22:54,319
Just we know what they've told us, what players have

1691
01:22:54,359 --> 01:22:56,720
told us, whether or not they follow through with that,

1692
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,800
it's kind of out of our control. Just the biggest

1693
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:06,680
stuff to not be at all attended very well around

1694
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,000
the States outside of the world series. And like we

1695
01:23:09,079 --> 01:23:11,640
touched on earlier in the episode, seven are already pulling

1696
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:15,039
back removing their twenty five k's. We've pulled back, you know,

1697
01:23:15,119 --> 01:23:19,479
adjusting our twenty five k's as well. Will we see

1698
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:25,039
a reversal possibly? Will we see creative accountancy? Most likely?

1699
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:29,960
And I think it's going to be the most adjustments

1700
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,319
will probably later in the year, when you know people

1701
01:23:32,359 --> 01:23:34,680
are stuck a lot or they're up a lot, and

1702
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,920
they'll make you know their adjustments according to what you

1703
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,319
know their accountant kind of recommends.

1704
01:23:41,359 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 1: And then we have Lars Swanson who says I've been

1705
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,520
playing a lot of Duce to seven single draw tournaments recently.

1706
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,640
I also hate bounty tournaments. They are terrible and negate

1707
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,920
the inherent benefits of tournament poker. However, I have played

1708
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,439
a lot of them online, and the mechanics of a

1709
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:00,720
bounty tournament and of Duce to seven singles are all

1710
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,960
line up really well. I'm not your target demographic of

1711
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:06,520
someone who would buy into a three thousand dollars due

1712
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,600
to seven Nolmit mystery boundy, but I do think it

1713
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,279
would be funny, fun to watch excuse me, and the

1714
01:24:11,319 --> 01:24:13,840
two concepts fit together. So I think what Lars is

1715
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,399
getting at here is he thinks if we were to

1716
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:21,960
host or he suggests maybe exploring hosting a bigger buying

1717
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,800
no limit due to seven single draw tournament that is

1718
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,119
also a bounty, which sounds interesting. I think it could

1719
01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:31,800
be fun as a relations I'm not sure where we

1720
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,760
would put it in, but I could certainly see this

1721
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,600
being a thing. I don't know if I would do

1722
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,880
mystery bounty. Maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't, but I

1723
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,359
think it would be cool to do this.

1724
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:47,359
Speaker 3: It'd be just for the seventy three people that play it.

1725
01:24:47,359 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 1: It's just kind of our events, you know.

1726
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's oh our I was talking about serious?

1727
01:24:53,079 --> 01:24:55,319
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean I don't think I would.

1728
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,159
Speaker 3: Get seven players.

1729
01:24:58,199 --> 01:25:01,399
Speaker 2: I think it's too niche. Like it's like, I mean,

1730
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,000
the Big Mix was too niche.

1731
01:25:03,039 --> 01:25:05,680
Speaker 1: Like, No, I get that you're offering five card draw

1732
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:07,119
and pot limit triple draw.

1733
01:25:07,039 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 3: Great games, blood games. Let's talk about it from a

1734
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,119
more of a world serious perspective. I think it's easier.

1735
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:15,079
You know, they have a fifteen hundred, they have a

1736
01:25:15,119 --> 01:25:17,960
ten k, you know, three K fine price. I think

1737
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,479
the mystery boundy would possibly scare people off, but you

1738
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,680
are right, it does kind of align no limbit single

1739
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,079
drawer in bounding. There is some alignment there. But you know,

1740
01:25:27,119 --> 01:25:31,399
when you start adding things to a poker tournament, you know,

1741
01:25:32,119 --> 01:25:33,840
so for here we're going from no limit produce to

1742
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:35,800
seven and now we're adding a bounding. It just shrinks

1743
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,560
the potential player for the buying goes up, shrinks it

1744
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:39,000
even more.

1745
01:25:39,039 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 2: And although it would be a.

1746
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 3: Cool event, if I had money, I would play it,

1747
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:47,720
I don't think it would be well attended. The cool

1748
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:51,199
idea maybe online, you know it would, it would fit better.

1749
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,119
Speaker 1: You know. One of the events that a lot of

1750
01:25:53,159 --> 01:25:56,880
the people were talking about was they're mostly talking about

1751
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:03,920
during the mixed series, but a three game draw event

1752
01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:06,199
duce to seven draw. Did you hear about this?

1753
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:10,359
Speaker 3: I suggested that originally as the replacement for Morey's mix.

1754
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,079
Speaker 1: Well, why didn't you do it? Are you in charge.

1755
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:18,279
Speaker 2: Against it? They were against the.

1756
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:22,520
Speaker 1: Duce to seven triple draw, pot limit duce to seven

1757
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:27,359
double draw, and no limit duce to seven single draw.

1758
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, win Win's done it before. That's how I got

1759
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:33,640
the idea. And the double draw scared people off because

1760
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,600
they haven't played double draw. Double draw is much better

1761
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:40,239
for pot limit, and you know, would that get more

1762
01:26:40,359 --> 01:26:43,760
entries in the Big Bet Mix? Probably not, so we

1763
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:44,840
went Big Bet Mix.

1764
01:26:46,239 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 2: Originally.

1765
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,399
Speaker 3: That was actually my first thought on that event.

1766
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Joe Jackson the final one here from

1767
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,079
the mid shuless Joe Jackson. Yeah, he's you know, he's

1768
01:26:56,079 --> 01:26:59,239
just he's back and he submitted questions to the podcast

1769
01:26:59,319 --> 01:27:02,439
that book gown dot. I would like to hear more

1770
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,119
about staking by an action, et cetera as it relates

1771
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:08,399
to the top pros. I'm sure it varies greatly, but

1772
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,039
can you give any insight as to how much the

1773
01:27:10,079 --> 01:27:12,880
top tier pros are backing themselves versus hedging with some

1774
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:16,439
sort of backing agreements, And specifically someone like Daniel and Legranu.

1775
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,319
I'm sure his deal with GIGI is extremely rich, but

1776
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,840
would that be a part of the arrangement also turning

1777
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,079
buy ins at a certain level or a percentage. I

1778
01:27:25,079 --> 01:27:27,880
don't know Daniel's deal, I won't pretend to know his deal,

1779
01:27:28,279 --> 01:27:31,600
but I do know that various sponsorship deals in the

1780
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:38,479
past have allotted all, if not part of, like the

1781
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,399
sponsorship money in buy ins. I think that's what Poker

1782
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:43,600
Stars used to do for some of their ambassadors. For example,

1783
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,159
you get like this fee per year, but then you

1784
01:27:46,199 --> 01:27:48,399
also get like x amount of tournament dollars that you

1785
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:50,640
can use to go play, like you know, the epts

1786
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:52,840
and apts and like all that sort of stuff. So

1787
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,960
maybe someone like Daniel has that worked in, or maybe

1788
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,800
other pros have that worked in for various places like

1789
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,159
let's say you know a ramp or brad Owen where

1790
01:28:01,159 --> 01:28:04,359
they're associated with WPT in a way there, so maybe

1791
01:28:04,359 --> 01:28:06,720
that's built in. So I would say it just kind

1792
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,880
of comes down to the the specific deal and how

1793
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:13,680
that deal is worked out. If it was me, I

1794
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:19,359
would probably try and lead to some sort of both

1795
01:28:19,399 --> 01:28:21,760
of them, you know. I like, i'd want the fee

1796
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,720
right to just be like kind of my salary, my income,

1797
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:26,640
Like I'd want that as like some support. But then

1798
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:28,640
i'd want like the tournament buyings as well. I wouldn't

1799
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:30,239
put it all in one bucket. I'd like to bet

1800
01:28:30,279 --> 01:28:32,119
on some upside with the tournament buying stuff, but I

1801
01:28:32,119 --> 01:28:33,560
also what wouldn't want to put it all on that

1802
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,000
sort of upside. So so that's how those work out.

1803
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,000
A lot of action and staking and peace buying and

1804
01:28:41,039 --> 01:28:43,680
all that sort of stuff for the high rollers. Of course,

1805
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:45,800
you know, there's a lot of guys that share a

1806
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:47,720
lot of action. There's a lot of people that swap

1807
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,920
with one another. You know, even someone like Danon and Granu.

1808
01:28:51,319 --> 01:28:53,600
You know, he every single year he puts out different

1809
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,640
packages for the different WSOP events. He does one in

1810
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,000
the summer where he puts stuff on poker Steak. He

1811
01:28:59,039 --> 01:29:01,960
does one for ws Paradise where he puts it on

1812
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,960
poker Steak. So even he's not playing, you know, one

1813
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,960
hundred percent of his own action, you know, he's got

1814
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,800
some of that allotted out there. Now. Maybe Daniel's doing

1815
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:10,479
it more so just to like kind of give back

1816
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,000
to the fans and grow his follower base and all

1817
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,159
that sort of stuff, versus like he actually needs to

1818
01:29:15,159 --> 01:29:18,000
do it for the money. But there's there's a lot

1819
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,239
of stuff out there. You know, a lot of people

1820
01:29:20,279 --> 01:29:22,479
don't have one hundred percent of themselves, even down to

1821
01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:25,640
lower buyings. It's just a way to reduce variants. I

1822
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:29,159
regularly sell action in myself for various things. You know,

1823
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:32,079
I sold for this eight hundred play that I played

1824
01:29:32,119 --> 01:29:33,840
over the weekend. You know, just a little bit, but

1825
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:35,560
it's still you know, it's good to have your friends

1826
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,279
sweating along. I also know that, at least as it

1827
01:29:38,279 --> 01:29:40,279
pertains to me, friends want to get involved, like they

1828
01:29:40,279 --> 01:29:42,079
almost get annoyed me. You don't sell them a piece

1829
01:29:42,079 --> 01:29:43,600
because they just want to be in on the action.

1830
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,319
So yeah, there's a lot of it that just goes around.

1831
01:29:47,399 --> 01:29:49,960
And then the staking and the backing deals are just

1832
01:29:50,399 --> 01:29:52,000
they're kind of all over the place. You know, you

1833
01:29:52,039 --> 01:29:54,560
have stuff that's just like what I do, for example,

1834
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,640
where it's not it's not any sort of agreement with people.

1835
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,399
I just hey, I'm going to go play this event.

1836
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:01,359
Would you like the action? They buy it as a

1837
01:30:01,359 --> 01:30:03,760
one off, and once it's done, it done. I either

1838
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,640
give them money back or they send me money for

1839
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,640
their shares and that's it. There's no makeup. There's none

1840
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:11,159
of that. Other ones have you know, lengthy makeup deals

1841
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:14,000
and contracts and you know you only get fifty percent

1842
01:30:14,039 --> 01:30:16,039
and then you know, but if we're down and if

1843
01:30:16,079 --> 01:30:18,560
you're in makeup, I get higher percentage or whatever. Like

1844
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:22,039
there's all there's all different levels of it all. Yeah,

1845
01:30:22,119 --> 01:30:24,840
there's not really a one size fits all. A lot

1846
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,000
of it's unknown and you kind of have to piece

1847
01:30:27,039 --> 01:30:30,399
together information. Some people are very upfront about it and

1848
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,560
they'll just tell you flat up, flat out. Other people aren't,

1849
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:37,439
you know. So yeah, like I think when when Espin

1850
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,159
Yourstad won the main event a couple of years ago,

1851
01:30:39,239 --> 01:30:41,560
he was pretty upfront with like how much he had,

1852
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:43,720
and he's like, yeah, I had whatever fifty percent of

1853
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,479
myself or whatever the heck he said stuff like that.

1854
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:51,119
So you know, yeah, you're in these circles, what do

1855
01:30:51,159 --> 01:30:53,119
you got? Probably the same thing.

1856
01:30:53,399 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 3: The first thought on the Grano is he probably I

1857
01:30:56,479 --> 01:31:00,159
would say his deal is more ownership base because and

1858
01:31:00,399 --> 01:31:04,119
really need any money. But moving on to like the pros.

1859
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,119
I've been talking to these guys quite a lot recently

1860
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:09,840
about this stuff, and what I've kind of always thought

1861
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:12,760
that kind of really got confirmed was, you know, especially

1862
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,239
with our players, you know, the three k's, the five

1863
01:31:15,359 --> 01:31:18,159
k's and the ten k's is normally on their own dime.

1864
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,800
It's when they start getting over that they're looking to

1865
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,800
sell off pieces or people are looking to buy, you know,

1866
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:26,159
spread that risk a little bit.

1867
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 2: Now.

1868
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:30,279
Speaker 3: That's not for everyone. Obviously, you have people that where

1869
01:31:30,359 --> 01:31:32,640
five k's are a stretch, they're selling and you won't

1870
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,760
seem in any ten case, but seems like the consensus

1871
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:38,800
is ten k's is pretty pretty easy for them just

1872
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,079
to play out of their own pocket. It's anything above

1873
01:31:42,119 --> 01:31:47,000
that they start kind of feeling out for, you know,

1874
01:31:47,119 --> 01:31:49,560
swaps or percentages. And I think in every event there's

1875
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:53,119
probably you know, a swap here or there, or hey,

1876
01:31:53,239 --> 01:31:55,560
let me get a sweat here and there. But you know,

1877
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,560
everyone's different. You know, we know that there's certain people

1878
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:00,760
that buy a lot of pieces of every one, and

1879
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,600
you know, they're the big piece buyers, and and you

1880
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:05,560
know with that, you're gonna have to assume that even

1881
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,319
some of these top guys, even the you know, potentially

1882
01:32:08,359 --> 01:32:11,159
even the Jeremy Osmus of the world and and you

1883
01:32:11,239 --> 01:32:13,800
the Steven Songs all the they probably do have coaches

1884
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:17,239
and a lot of these new coaching deals nowadays involved

1885
01:32:17,359 --> 01:32:19,920
and I'll coach you for this, but I also get,

1886
01:32:20,039 --> 01:32:22,520
you know, X percentage of these events, et cetera. So

1887
01:32:23,039 --> 01:32:26,920
I think everyone's deals different. Just the higher buyings you go, obviously,

1888
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:30,119
the more risk needs to be kind of spread out

1889
01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:34,079
a little bit. Yeah, it's it's it's always an interesting thing.

1890
01:32:34,119 --> 01:32:36,119
I always like to hear about this stuff. I was

1891
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:39,600
going to see who's who's who's the big spender, who

1892
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:43,000
buys the most pieces, you know, who who's coaching, who

1893
01:32:43,039 --> 01:32:46,039
who's in under you know, who's stable. I find that

1894
01:32:46,079 --> 01:32:49,319
stuff like really interesting but obviously quite private to a

1895
01:32:49,359 --> 01:32:51,800
lot of these guys, so you won't really hear too

1896
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:52,479
much about it.

1897
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, interests me quite a lot.

1898
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:58,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's always certainly interesting, which I'm sure is

1899
01:32:58,279 --> 01:33:02,399
why shoeless Georgie Action over here decided to come up

1900
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:09,039
from the grave. And yeah, right right us this uh,

1901
01:33:09,079 --> 01:33:11,840
this question into the mail bag. But no, in all serious, Yeah,

1902
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,119
it is super interesting, but everything's just different, and you know,

1903
01:33:15,159 --> 01:33:18,600
some players are very upfront with it. Some obviously, you know,

1904
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,760
like to stay private with it. So yeah, I mean

1905
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:23,680
Tim can, Tim and I can only really talk about,

1906
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,680
you know, some of the stuff that we no firsthand

1907
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:28,800
or that we know is out there in the public.

1908
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:35,119
And yeah, but yeah, I think, yeah, I mean, Daniel's

1909
01:33:35,119 --> 01:33:38,079
always been pretty open. I would say he probably just

1910
01:33:38,119 --> 01:33:40,239
takes all his own action other than the times when

1911
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:42,560
he you know, puts it on poker steak like that.

1912
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 2: He's putting it on poker stake too, to give the

1913
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:46,680
people yeah, more than thing.

1914
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:48,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, no, no, for sure.

1915
01:33:48,319 --> 01:33:50,399
Speaker 2: We all appreciate Daniel, please keep doing that.

1916
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's incredible. We talk about it

1917
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:54,399
every year that we can get action in this thing.

1918
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:56,800
We we love to buy the action and sweat along

1919
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:00,000
with him. So and also, like you know, you can,

1920
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,319
you know, for for Joe or anyone else who is

1921
01:34:02,319 --> 01:34:03,680
interested in this sort of thing, you can just go

1922
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,119
to poker steak dot com. You know, you can also

1923
01:34:06,119 --> 01:34:07,760
go to Sta Kings and you can just kind of

1924
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,000
see who's out there selling action. A lot of people

1925
01:34:10,039 --> 01:34:12,159
put stuff on social media. They say, hey, you know,

1926
01:34:12,199 --> 01:34:14,479
I'm playing this series, I'm selling action whatever. Like you

1927
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,319
can find some information as to who's selling who's not,

1928
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,640
you know, how much action they're keeping of themselves, all

1929
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:21,920
that sort of stuff. Like it's it's available, you know,

1930
01:34:22,039 --> 01:34:24,680
at least to some extent if you want to, if

1931
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:29,479
you want to dig around a bit. So yeah, all right,

1932
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:31,399
well that's going to do it for us. We went

1933
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:33,880
way too long, but it is what it is. It's

1934
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,880
been a while, so all good. Two days of No

1935
01:34:37,039 --> 01:34:41,279
Gamble in the Future Live coming on Tuesday and Wednesday

1936
01:34:41,319 --> 01:34:44,079
this week, and then of course we have the Poker

1937
01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:46,680
ro Cup that is coming up at the beginning of

1938
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:48,720
March for the first two weeks, a lot of streaming

1939
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,640
there as well. So so yeah, so that's going to

1940
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,279
do it for Tim and I. As we talked about

1941
01:34:54,279 --> 01:34:57,039
at the top of the show, we will be coming

1942
01:34:57,039 --> 01:35:01,520
to you with our WSOP schedule thoughts in the coming days,

1943
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,279
up to a week or something like that. We'll you know,

1944
01:35:04,319 --> 01:35:05,960
we'll get to crack in on what we think about

1945
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:09,920
the schedule. You know, I've already seen on social media.

1946
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,920
There's a handful of submissions, there's a handful of new

1947
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:15,720
events in there. So we'll be touching on it all

1948
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:19,680
on the next show. All right, Cool, that's gonna do

1949
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:23,600
it for us. We got nothing else, right, all right?

1950
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 2: Cool?

1951
01:35:24,319 --> 01:35:26,560
Speaker 1: For Tim Duckworth. My name is Donny Peters. We'll talk

1952
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:27,319
to you guys next time.