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Speaker 1: with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, You've got the
Speaker 1: privilege of talking to Mark today. Mark's an individual that
Speaker 1: got connected to through YouTube and then he wanted to
Speaker 1: share a few interesting things that have happened through his
Speaker 1: life in different locations. So Mark, welcome to the show today.
Speaker 1: How's it going man, Good Jeremiah, how you doing doing great?
Speaker 1: Always a good night when I'm able to talk to
Speaker 1: someone about their Bigfoot interactions and learn some stuff, and
Speaker 1: I enjoy that and give you a platform to share
Speaker 1: what happened to you. So you know, Mark, I know
Speaker 1: that you've already said before that we've got a lot
Speaker 1: of ground to cover, So you know, I'm going to
Speaker 1: go ahead and give the mic over to you, and
Speaker 1: we'll see where we go from here.
Speaker 2: Man, Okay, But like I said, you interject any time
Speaker 2: you like, Yes, sir, Yeah, all right. I got a
Speaker 2: lot of stories. Well, the main reason I had called
Speaker 2: this place wasn't too or when I say this place,
Speaker 2: I'm in your podcast. I've been listening to you for
Speaker 2: a while, and I've been listening to podcasts sasquatch podcasts
Speaker 2: for a good almost ten years now, and lately I've
Speaker 2: gotten board with a lot of the other ones before
Speaker 2: I came across yours, and some recently it's like they'll
Speaker 2: show a picture of a sasquatch with a monkey nose,
Speaker 2: and I will not look at those at all. These
Speaker 2: things have a hooded nose, they don't have a monkey nose.
Speaker 2: And if it's got a monkey nose, go to some
Speaker 2: other podcast and come to Jeremiah, because he's got pictures
Speaker 2: of him. They kind of look right. So I can
Speaker 2: agree with.
Speaker 1: That, thank you. I try.
Speaker 2: But the main reason I hear I've heard a podcast.
Speaker 2: Am I allowed to say the number? Sure? Yeah, go
Speaker 2: right ahead, Okay, episode six sixty there was this lady
Speaker 2: on and you know, I don't call any This is
Speaker 2: the first podcast I've ever talked to or even emailed.
Speaker 2: But anyway, she was so upset about this place where
Speaker 2: I used to run around when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: that she got walked out of the Garden of the
Speaker 2: Gods since she was just terrified, and the whole episode
Speaker 2: she couldn't stop being terrified.
Speaker 3: So I thought, you know, that's happened to me my
Speaker 3: entire life.
Speaker 2: I moved there when I was a kid, when I
Speaker 2: was about fourteen fifteen years old, with.
Speaker 3: My father and the family what.
Speaker 2: Little he had left, and we lived right at the
Speaker 2: edge of that not guarded gods, but in that area.
Speaker 2: I won't say where. But they're just just all kinds
Speaker 2: of experiences. But when I was a kid, I didn't
Speaker 2: know that. What I knew about sasquatches was I knew
Speaker 2: about the Patterson Gimlin film and at the time when
Speaker 2: I was a kid, I thought, well, that's the last
Speaker 2: crazy wild animal.
Speaker 3: They're about to go excinct, And yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 2: They're out west down in California somewhere, But there's no
Speaker 2: way that they're still here, just like there's no bears,
Speaker 2: there's no saberty tigers and such. But anyway, I used
Speaker 2: to run around the woods when I was a kid
Speaker 2: because there was nothing better to do, and so many
Speaker 2: times I just can't count them. They got to the
Speaker 2: point where I just stopped paying attention that I heard
Speaker 2: the same sounds that she heard, and they just follow
Speaker 2: you out And I have stopped and turned around and yelled.
Speaker 3: At something that's not there. It's like, who are you?
Speaker 2: Where are you?
Speaker 3: Why are you following me?
Speaker 2: I've screamed that out loud on my way home because
Speaker 2: I used to do, like, I don't know, five six
Speaker 2: miles one mile. I used to go down this creek
Speaker 2: and I guess I was entertainment for them because I
Speaker 2: used to just run down there and before parkour was
Speaker 2: a thing. The further down the creek bed you go
Speaker 2: the bigger the rocks, kid, and you have to jump,
Speaker 2: and I had it. It was like playing hopscotch for me,
Speaker 2: I guess on a grander scale, and I would jump
Speaker 2: from one to the other and I'd get to the
Speaker 2: end and I'm just out of breath, and it's about
Speaker 2: a mile and a half long. And then when I'm
Speaker 2: walking back, and this is on an easy day, just
Speaker 2: when I'm out playing, and then on my walk back,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm still worn out. But then by the
Speaker 2: time we get about I don't know, half mile from
Speaker 2: home or a quarter or three quarters a mile from home.
Speaker 3: I hear all these leaves just swish, wish wish.
Speaker 2: Once I get into the leaves, after I get out
Speaker 2: of the canyon, and I get in the leaves, and
Speaker 2: I hear all this. And I even tried to, you know,
Speaker 2: pretend you're going to take a step and down, and
Speaker 2: caught them a couple of times doing that.
Speaker 3: It's like they put their foot down.
Speaker 2: But when there's no such thing as a sounsquatch and
Speaker 2: you have no answer for that, you still have to
Speaker 2: go about your merry way. And it's like, well, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll just shrug my shoulders. Same thing with uh tree knox.
Speaker 2: I heard so many treeochs in my life.
Speaker 3: I just ignore them now I don't even pay attention
Speaker 3: to them anymore. And well, I learned about a tree kock.
Speaker 2: A lot of people think that's a warning I don't
Speaker 2: think that's a warning. I think that is well kind
Speaker 2: of an invitation. They let you know. They're trying to
Speaker 2: let you know that they know that you're there, and
Speaker 2: you're supposed to pay attention, and you're supposed to not respond,
Speaker 2: but to be aware, and they know what you're thinking.
Speaker 2: You don't have to respond, whether you don't have to
Speaker 2: go tear down a tree and make yourself a baseball
Speaker 2: bat hit a tree with it to respond. They just
Speaker 2: want you to know that there. And I think it
Speaker 2: irritates them that the people that walk by and don't understand.
Speaker 2: It makes them angry. They're not looking for attention necessarily,
Speaker 2: but you need to know as you walk past this
Speaker 2: point there's a possibility of danger. I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: they're all killers. Some are, some aren't.
Speaker 1: Mark, Can you take a minute. I'm just really curious
Speaker 1: if if someone was to ask you what you think
Speaker 1: bigfoot is, how do you describe what they are?
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what it isn't okay, it's not a gigantopithecus.
Speaker 3: The amount of things that that animal.
Speaker 2: Would have to do. Number One, they've only found a
Speaker 2: tooth and part of a jaw bone, and then they
Speaker 2: built a beast around it somehow.
Speaker 3: That's just not good enough for me. I need more evidence.
Speaker 2: And from what they found, they said he ate bamboo
Speaker 2: all the time, you know, just a big bamboo eater.
Speaker 2: It's pretty hard for an animal to switch from being
Speaker 2: just a herbivore to go on straight to straight meat
Speaker 2: like supposedly is hospital. Well, they're an omnivore. They'll eat anything,
Speaker 2: and it's really difficult in the amount of time that
Speaker 2: it takes for something to evolve, if that exists, even
Speaker 2: to get all the way across the bearing straight from China,
Speaker 2: to get over to the Rocky Mountains and all that
Speaker 2: stuff or whatever in Alaska and the Yukon, and turn
Speaker 2: yourself to the sas cross that is now planting trees
Speaker 2: upside down with the roots sticking up in the air.
Speaker 2: It's a really far stretch from me. So I know,
Speaker 2: it's not that. There's a lot of stories I've heard
Speaker 2: about you know, DNA, and you know people have gathered
Speaker 2: DNA on these things, but they've traced one side.
Speaker 3: I don't know enough about it. I'm not an expert.
Speaker 2: They've traced one side, and I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: tied to us, and then there's another and then the
Speaker 2: other side. It's like it's a it's nothing on the planet.
Speaker 2: It's nothing that we've had any experience with. We don't
Speaker 2: know this particular DNA. So I don't know what to
Speaker 2: think about that. I don't know if everybody knows and
Speaker 2: it's shut down. You know, there's a lot of theories
Speaker 2: out there. They say they're they're nephelin, and that's a
Speaker 2: possibility after what I've seen of these things. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've never seen nothing like what I saw, and anyway,
Speaker 2: but you know, maybe if it has anything, maybe something
Speaker 2: has something to do with some kind of religion or whatever.
Speaker 2: And there's you know, half the world is trying to
Speaker 2: shut that down and the other half is trying to
Speaker 2: promote the other. So I don't think we're ever gonna
Speaker 2: find out unless they rise up. I can't imagine fifty
Speaker 2: of these guys grouping together and then start running their neighborhoods.
Speaker 2: That would just be a bad thing what they are.
Speaker 2: But they're not a monkey. I know they're not a monkey.
Speaker 2: They sound like a monkey, they act like a monkey sometimes,
Speaker 2: and I got monkey stories because they did monkey things
Speaker 2: to me. But they're still not a monkey. It's really
Speaker 2: they are a frightful thing. But I didn't know it
Speaker 2: when I was a kid. When I was younger, you know,
Speaker 2: just walk around the duck's back. I had bigger and
Speaker 2: better things do. One thing I didn't do is like
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people on podcasts say there they
Speaker 2: hunt a lot.
Speaker 3: They've hunted all their lives.
Speaker 2: They've been out in the woods, they've shot things of
Speaker 2: all that stuff, And like, I never did that.
Speaker 3: I was always quiet.
Speaker 2: I tried, Like when I was telling you about running
Speaker 2: down that creek, I was trying to be as quiet
Speaker 2: as I possibly could. But I never saw many animals.
Speaker 2: I've had a lot of deers walk up on me.
Speaker 2: You know, I've had a lot of wild animal experiences.
Speaker 2: But you know, I just I wasn't a hunter. People
Speaker 2: ask me, and I know how to people ask me.
Speaker 2: Do you hunt? Yeah, when when I'm hungry do you fish?
Speaker 2: I fish when when I'm hungry. That's the only time
Speaker 2: I hunt fish. But I'm very good at it. But
Speaker 2: I just don't go out and make you know. I
Speaker 2: don't throw a bunch of orange on and sit in
Speaker 2: the top of a tree about twenty feet high I
Speaker 2: just don't. I'm not interested in any of that. So
Speaker 2: I've always been able to feed myself when I need it.
Speaker 2: But you know, you know they're grocery stores too. I'm
Speaker 2: not an animal activists. I don't believe in killing these things,
Speaker 2: but you know, I think they're out there for a reason,
Speaker 2: and that reason is that things, you know, times get tough,
Speaker 2: There'll be plenty of food out there for me. I
Speaker 2: don't need to be go out there killing everything every
Speaker 2: year and there's six or seven less than there was
Speaker 2: before hunting season. I just don't do it because I'm
Speaker 2: not that hungry. Huh So anyway, and so far as
Speaker 2: what you're asked me, I'll try to get back on
Speaker 2: track here.
Speaker 3: They're not a monkey.
Speaker 2: It's a secret, but somebody knows the end of that
Speaker 2: secret because they're not telling us they You can't talk
Speaker 2: to anybody that you know, they'll make you look I mean,
Speaker 2: I got a lot of people that I've tried to
Speaker 2: tell this to. No I would call them. I guess
Speaker 2: normal people thought would be willing to hear this part
Speaker 2: of what I saw or experienced, and they'll shut you
Speaker 2: down immediately, make you look like a fool. They could
Speaker 2: be a friend of yours and they'll do it. I've
Speaker 2: had plenty of those do it. And it's not like
Speaker 2: I'll never speak to you again kind of thing. It's
Speaker 2: like they don't even want you to bring it up.
Speaker 2: Up in ILLINOII, no one goes out and runs around
Speaker 2: the woods like I did.
Speaker 3: No One, I mean nobody.
Speaker 2: Nobody went to school with I was up there for
Speaker 2: a good five years before I joined the Navy. I
Speaker 2: had to get out of there because there's no jobs,
Speaker 2: so I had to join the military.
Speaker 3: I didn't have to.
Speaker 2: I just thought I was going to be a Navy
Speaker 2: seal and.
Speaker 3: Blah blah lah. Next thing, I know them in San Diego.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, everybody up there, all the people had lived there,
Speaker 2: all the lives. Like I said, I only moved there
Speaker 2: when I was like fourteen fifteen years old. Probably visited
Speaker 2: once when I was twelve or thirteen. I had a
Speaker 2: house in Tennessee. I was in Tennessee. I lived on
Speaker 2: a hill in a hollow, in a hollow on a hill,
Speaker 2: I kind of and I had this house.
Speaker 3: Somebody had built it. I bought it for a song.
Speaker 2: I was married, but uh, my dogs were sitting on
Speaker 2: the porch middle of kind of kind of in the
Speaker 2: middle of nowhere. You got neighbors, but you can't see
Speaker 2: or hear them. So I'm sitting on the couch watching
Speaker 2: TV and my and my door's always open. So the
Speaker 2: dogs just they just started barking. Hair on their back
Speaker 2: came up because they were just hanging out on the porch,
Speaker 2: and they ran straight in the house and ran straight
Speaker 2: to the bedroom, which they never do, or are allowed
Speaker 2: to do. They come in the house, but they're just
Speaker 2: they're not going to be sleeping in the bed and
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But anyhow, I thought that was odd.
Speaker 2: I'm going and they're barking all the way inside the house.
Speaker 3: What are you doing? I mean, something that never happens.
Speaker 2: So I kind of get up. I look around the
Speaker 2: corner where they went. They're nowhere to be seen. They're
Speaker 2: hiding under the bed or something. So I got to
Speaker 2: the fORCH and I got like a thirty five white
Speaker 2: light on my porch, and I'm looking around, looking around,
Speaker 2: and I looked down and I see the eye shine
Speaker 2: and I had this big brush pile where I'd cut
Speaker 2: all these shrubs away. I'd just gotten I had gotten
Speaker 2: back from Florida, and the shrubs crew to like twenty
Speaker 2: feet tall. You know, they're kind of shrubs you if
Speaker 2: you don't trim, and they're going to go nuts. So
Speaker 2: i'd cut all those out, and I made this big
Speaker 2: brush pile down the hill, not you know, ten fifteen
Speaker 2: feet off the porch, and so I see these two
Speaker 2: red eyes coming through there. And the first thing I
Speaker 2: thought was, well, I've never seen red eye shine in
Speaker 2: my life. I don't know what this is. And so
Speaker 2: I'm standing there waiting for it to come through, because
Speaker 2: obviously that's what my dogs were barking at.
Speaker 3: There was a coon, but.
Speaker 2: I've never known a dog run from the coon. So
Speaker 2: all these thoughts are going through my at the time,
Speaker 2: all at the same time. So I was like, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: come through, come through. It looked like coming towards me,
Speaker 2: coming towards me, coming towards me, and it was an
Speaker 2: optical illusion. Then I realized, I'm not looking at something
Speaker 2: coming through this brush pile. I'm looking at something that's
Speaker 2: on the opposite side of the brush pile. Now I
Speaker 2: can see through that and this thing's looking right at me.
Speaker 2: And then I want to describe the eyeshine, It's not eyeshine.
Speaker 2: You can see inside the scull of these things. No
Speaker 2: one's going to believe this, and I don't care. I
Speaker 2: know what I saw.
Speaker 1: Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: I know what happened.
Speaker 2: It looks like if you've got a little camp fire
Speaker 2: or something like that, and the coals or after all
Speaker 2: the woods burnt down, and you see all the coals
Speaker 2: and it's swirling around in the same colors.
Speaker 3: It's inside their head, it's in their eyes, and they're
Speaker 3: looking at you with that. I'm going, what is that?
Speaker 2: What is that? And I even said that, I said
Speaker 2: what are you doing? I said what are you doing?
Speaker 2: And this thing took one step towards me again, and
Speaker 2: it was so black you couldn't see the body. All
Speaker 2: you could see was its eyes. It was so black out.
Speaker 2: There was overcast guys, that night. It wasn't raining. It
Speaker 2: was just overcast, you know, no starlight, no nothing. All
Speaker 2: I had was that stupid light which didn't shine into
Speaker 2: the forest far enough to light up anything. And this
Speaker 2: thing just kind of it gave me and it looked autistic.
Speaker 2: I have an autistic cousin, and I know what that
Speaker 2: looked looked like, and it looked autistic, and it looked
Speaker 2: off to its right, which was to my left. I
Speaker 2: had a spring down the hill from there, water spring,
Speaker 2: and it was kind of dry at the time, and
Speaker 2: I think it just came up to get.
Speaker 3: A drink of water.
Speaker 2: The dogs barked at it and came up and started
Speaker 2: to come up to the porch by the.
Speaker 3: Time I went out there.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I saw those eyes and it's not that
Speaker 2: it's just like a red light, you know, not like
Speaker 2: a flashlight. There are things swirling inside there, just like
Speaker 2: it's like spirals. It was amazing, but I still shrugged
Speaker 2: that off. I didn't know what it was. I didn't
Speaker 2: know what to call it. I wasn't into bigfoot. I
Speaker 2: kind of was, you know. I was still had the
Speaker 2: opinions like boy, every place I went, because I used
Speaker 2: to ride a horse from there, a couple of miles
Speaker 2: from the house, just a feeder, you know, every day
Speaker 2: or so, you know, single back or a single rain
Speaker 2: bare back. I'm kind of an Indian and anyhow, you know,
Speaker 2: during that time, that was in the nineties, I think
Speaker 2: you know, that was in the nineties when that happened,
Speaker 2: and anyhow, it just turned its head and walked away.
Speaker 2: I walked in the house, sat down. I got the
Speaker 2: dogs out of the bedroom. I had to go back
Speaker 2: there and calm in down, tell them everything was okay.
Speaker 2: They finally came back out, but they wouldn't go back
Speaker 2: out on the porch. They stayed. They stated that they
Speaker 2: stayed in the living room and watched TV. They weren't
Speaker 2: interested in going out there anymore. And I wasn't afraid.
Speaker 2: Didn't scare me. I just thought, well, I'll figure this
Speaker 2: out later, because you know, I spotlighted a lot of animals,
Speaker 2: and I know what color eyes are, and this is
Speaker 2: just to me, was just an animal I hadn't spotlighted
Speaker 2: yet or seen, and I'll figure it out later. I
Speaker 2: wasn't afraid. It wasn't scared. But now thinking back, see
Speaker 2: this thing was about eight feet tall because where it
Speaker 2: was shining through this breast pile was a straight down
Speaker 2: slope that just like you can't walk down it. If
Speaker 2: you get over that edge, you're going to be on
Speaker 2: a slide. You're just going to slide down in the mud.
Speaker 2: So how this thing had walked up to me through
Speaker 2: that brush pile. It was standing, I mean ten feet
Speaker 2: down nine ten feet down, and its eyes, it's.
Speaker 3: The level of its eyes didn't climb higher.
Speaker 2: It just kind of stayed straight and once it got
Speaker 2: to a certain point it stopped. And when I asked,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? It turned and walked away. It
Speaker 2: was kind of like an It wasn't apologetic. Look, it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, sorry, I just came to get a drink
Speaker 2: of water. You know, this is what I've come up
Speaker 2: with later on in life, but I didn't understand at
Speaker 2: the time, and I just went about my business.
Speaker 1: Mark, Do you feel like it understood you when you
Speaker 1: said that to it?
Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Why do you say that.
Speaker 2: Because they do it now to me to this day.
Speaker 2: I just went back to those places I was telling
Speaker 2: you about when I was a kid, just a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago or a year ago. I'm a mushroom
Speaker 2: hunter and extraordinary kind of not real successful at it.
Speaker 2: But you know, I went back to the same place
Speaker 2: just a year or two years, and they know who
Speaker 2: I am. They dropped off a bobcat. I had to
Speaker 2: put a bobcat back, and there were two coons, and
Speaker 2: that was more wildlife than I'd seen in a lot
Speaker 2: of years when I was running out there. That was
Speaker 2: one other thing. When I was running around, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to be as quiet as I possibly can. I was
Speaker 2: practicing on being as quiet as I possibly could. I'm
Speaker 2: not out there making a bunch of racket, and that
Speaker 2: was always my goal. I used to go out walking
Speaker 2: to friends of mine and I wouldn't make it a quarter
Speaker 2: mile and I turned around take them back home because
Speaker 2: they can't shut their mouths. I have a rule of like,
Speaker 2: don't speak. Don't talk when you're out here in the
Speaker 2: woods with me. You're not allowed to speak because I'm
Speaker 2: hunting anything. Just don't say a word. Don't say there's
Speaker 2: nothing to talk. I'm in about with something and nothing
Speaker 2: serious happened, so there's no reason for you to say anything.
Speaker 2: And I think they have a little respect for that.
Speaker 2: And they watched me do that as a child. I
Speaker 2: didn't just run down there one day and have this
Speaker 2: little exercise. I used to do that constantly because there's nothing,
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing to do there.
Speaker 3: Nothing.
Speaker 2: When turned me into a wild animal.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, okay, yeah yeah, yeh yeah, when they left
Speaker 1: the bobcat and the other animals for you, what physical
Speaker 1: state were those animals left.
Speaker 3: In well Wed.
Speaker 2: Me and my girlfriend had walked down the creek and like,
Speaker 2: you know, she knows not to talk, and let's don't
Speaker 2: take anybody take offense to that. She's like, she's kind
Speaker 2: of like me. So, yeah, I were walking down there.
Speaker 2: I'm being careful with her, so I'm having to concentrate
Speaker 2: on making sure she's okay because it's not an environment
Speaker 2: she's used to. Right, We're not thundering down the creek,
Speaker 2: and like, look at.
Speaker 3: This, look at that. Hey, this is what I used.
Speaker 2: To do here. I wasn't doing that. We're being quiet.
Speaker 2: We're just walking down there, walking slow. She knows the
Speaker 2: history of place, you know, so she was fully aware,
Speaker 2: no surprise to her. But surprisingly enough she managed to
Speaker 2: spraining her ankle and so we sat down to rest.
Speaker 2: And I hadn't gotten to I was just maybe a
Speaker 2: quarter a mile away from my adjective because there's something
Speaker 2: really a bunch of cool stuff at the end. So
Speaker 2: I'm looking down the creek, looking down the creek, and
Speaker 2: we had two dogs with us, so my dog had
Speaker 2: gone to the top. So you're in kind of like
Speaker 2: a little miniature canyon. The woods are straight up and down,
Speaker 2: not straight up and down. But you don't want to
Speaker 2: get up there and try to climb out of that
Speaker 2: creek bed. The creek bed is essentially your road and
Speaker 2: your highway. You're not going to wander around anywhere other
Speaker 2: than the creek bed, but in places. So this dog
Speaker 2: comes down with what looks like from off the top
Speaker 2: of the hill behind me. We had sat down to
Speaker 2: rest and decide we're going to turn around get out
Speaker 2: of there, and uh, my dog comes down the hill
Speaker 2: with something in his mouth. It looks like a.
Speaker 3: Squirrel, and I thought, oh, geez, don't kill the squirrel.
Speaker 2: I don't want to have to. I don't want to
Speaker 2: deal with no squirrel today, you know, just don't do it.
Speaker 2: So I go over there. I said no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: because I'm thinking she's getting ready choump it. But she
Speaker 2: wasn't being motherly about it. She had found a bob
Speaker 2: cat kitten, brought it down to the bottom and set
Speaker 2: it down before he even got there.
Speaker 3: You know, she's like looking at her what is this?
Speaker 2: So I could go and tell you how I thought
Speaker 2: that may have happened, but it was just weird, weird,
Speaker 2: And so I pick up this cat, and I go,
Speaker 2: what is going on?
Speaker 4: Why is there a cat out here in the middle
Speaker 4: of nowhere? A straight cat, straight kitten? Why is that?
Speaker 4: I started looking at it? Well, then I found out
Speaker 4: it's a female. It turnovers on the back, I say,
Speaker 4: screaming and raising and all kinds of cane and it's
Speaker 4: just like rolling it over, and I'm like, what kind
Speaker 4: of cat is this?
Speaker 3: It's a bobcat? Oh no, Now what am I going
Speaker 3: to do?
Speaker 2: If I got caught this bobcat? I might go to
Speaker 2: jail or get a fine or something like that. Now
Speaker 2: I've got a bobcat that's got no mother. What do
Speaker 2: I do? Do? I take it home, trying to nurse
Speaker 2: it back to health, which I've not had much luck
Speaker 2: with with wild animals. So I put it. I took it,
Speaker 2: climbed up the hill with it, and it was kind
Speaker 2: of like a stair step thing where water would rush
Speaker 2: down through there and it washed all the dirt out.
Speaker 2: So now you're walking up technically steps of you know,
Speaker 2: the stones or.
Speaker 3: Whatever geologic thing is underneath the dirt.
Speaker 2: So I'm climbing up this thing, and I got the
Speaker 2: dirt all around my head, and this cat's just raising him.
Speaker 2: It's like I didn't want some big bobcat coming around
Speaker 2: and latching on my head and getting this cat. It's terrible, scary,
Speaker 2: but I think I did the right thing. I took
Speaker 2: it to the top of the hill. I looked around.
Speaker 2: I tried to find to see if there was some
Speaker 2: place cave or something this thing came out of, but
Speaker 2: it didn't. So I set it on a rock up,
Speaker 2: you know, next to a bluff that was at top
Speaker 2: of it, and got my dogs away from it and
Speaker 2: went back down and you know, told the dogs to
Speaker 2: leave it alone, you know, and just hope for the
Speaker 2: best that this thing screaming and the mother will come
Speaker 2: back and pick it up. I think she dropped it
Speaker 2: because my dogs might have scared her off from whilst
Speaker 2: he was moving it from place to place.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing that seems feasible to me. She
Speaker 2: was in the middle of moving her kittens and my
Speaker 2: dog showed up and she dropped the thing. So I
Speaker 2: got to the bottom of this thing when I got back,
Speaker 2: and thank god, you know, I didn't have to fight
Speaker 2: a bobcat around my neck that day. And I get
Speaker 2: to the bottom and I look right across the creek,
Speaker 2: and there's this long, stringy tree, and a lot of
Speaker 2: people see him, they talk about him. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: so I squatches will make a loop of a tree,
Speaker 2: and I've seen plenty of those in Tennessee, lots of
Speaker 2: them anyway. So I see this little stringy tree, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like twenty five thirty feet tall. And those happened
Speaker 2: because they're trying to reach up to the light, and
Speaker 2: you know, most of them eventually just fall over and die.
Speaker 2: But this thing had a twist in it. Something with
Speaker 2: two hands took it and twisted it about, you know,
Speaker 2: enough to make a scar. And it was only about
Speaker 2: maybe a year old. Other things there. When I used
Speaker 2: to run around, I used to riger and they used
Speaker 2: to take cedar trees and they twist the top of those.
Speaker 2: I'd go there, go through there one day, and I'd
Speaker 2: come back a week later, and they're in the cedar
Speaker 2: tree I had walked past, will be twisted up like
Speaker 2: some hurricane got a hold the top of it and
Speaker 2: just twisted up up. And they don't break it off,
Speaker 2: they just twist them. They happened to me in Tennessee
Speaker 2: when i'd ride my horse out to where I'd take
Speaker 2: my horse out to graze. They used to twist cedar
Speaker 2: trees all the time, and nothing can come through and
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 3: No windstorm know nothing.
Speaker 2: They broke out. I had a bunch of one hundred
Speaker 2: foot tall popper trees. They snapped the tops out of
Speaker 2: like three or four of them, and it's kind of
Speaker 2: they lined my driveway. They snapped those out and threw
Speaker 2: them down to the ground. They snapped another one out
Speaker 2: on another time. I was coming back from Florida. I
Speaker 2: worked back and forth from Florida. I traveled around and
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of these memories are hard to
Speaker 2: remember because I'm not sitting still. I haven't sat still
Speaker 2: in fifty years. I am now retired now and I've
Speaker 2: sat still for about a year. So anyhow, you know,
Speaker 2: they snap off trees, they do all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2: The other thing I want to talk about comment about
Speaker 2: is you know my problem with them because you hear
Speaker 2: about well they're evil or well they're kind. You know,
Speaker 2: we leave them peanut butter. It's really we're habituating and
Speaker 2: you shouldn't do that. I don't believe.
Speaker 3: I tried to talk to my.
Speaker 2: Cousin into doing that, and then after I heard a
Speaker 2: few more videos, I called her back. I said, don't
Speaker 2: do it, don't do it, don't do it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm just north of where that I saw a dog
Speaker 2: man track out there where I used to hang out.
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody's going to believe any of this. And
Speaker 2: when I was gone in the Navy, that's what happened
Speaker 2: down in Katie's, Kentucky, that dog.
Speaker 3: Man spectacle that killed some campers. I was in the
Speaker 3: Navy then.
Speaker 2: But before that, we were coming up from Tennessee, me
Speaker 2: my little brother, and my dad knows about that. I'm
Speaker 2: thirteen fourteen, and we were going to go deer hunt
Speaker 2: at this property that my grandpa had just bought, which was,
Speaker 2: you know, the same area I'm telling me about it ran.
Speaker 2: We eventually moved up there and lived from Tennessee. But anyhow,
Speaker 2: we're going down this road from Katie's, Kentucky. I twenty
Speaker 2: four was under construction, and I think at that time
Speaker 2: you had to take that detour. So my dad just
Speaker 2: bought this brand new truck. He's driving like eighty one
Speaker 2: miles an hour down this two lane road. It's it's scary.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, I just like, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't remember I don't remember getting to Katie's, Kentucky, but
Speaker 2: I remember driving through that road and I don't remember
Speaker 2: getting to that particular night up to Illinois. But we
Speaker 2: made it.
Speaker 3: But a cop pulled us over because he was going
Speaker 3: so fast.
Speaker 2: Eighty one miles an hour road like that is a
Speaker 2: big money money grabbed for, you know, the police or
Speaker 2: the county, you know. And all he wanted to do
Speaker 2: is see my dad's license. Told him to slow down.
Speaker 2: He looked around a couple of times, and he got
Speaker 2: back in his car. And I've heard people that I've
Speaker 2: heard podcasts where people go up in that area and
Speaker 2: they have mentioned that road and they say that they
Speaker 2: saw something go across the road. And then they get
Speaker 2: a little further it says, you want to turn around.
Speaker 1: Big for society who will be right back after these messages?
Speaker 2: And they're like no, because there's no there's no way
Speaker 2: out of this. What are we going to find If
Speaker 2: we find something, it's not going to be a good
Speaker 2: place to stop. It's a scary place. The whole place
Speaker 2: up there is kind of scary. So I don't know
Speaker 2: what to say to people. It's like, I don't want
Speaker 2: you going up there where I stop around. It's not
Speaker 2: far from garden, guys, But you know, it doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be. It doesn't have to be a particular area.
Speaker 2: Those things I agree with, mister Elmer. Those things are everywhere,
Speaker 2: and they're especially everywhere down there. But in so far
Speaker 2: as my experience has been so far, they're polite as
Speaker 2: long as you are. Now, I have a huge problem.
Speaker 2: That county is called the deer capital of Illinois. You
Speaker 2: got everybody from Chicago coming down there deer season. It
Speaker 2: lasts about three days. They have a big festival in town.
Speaker 2: I won't say what town. I guess I could. I
Speaker 2: don't have to be that much of a jerk, Dalkonda.
Speaker 2: They have a big deer festival down there every year,
Speaker 2: but everybody for Chicago comes down there. It sounds like
Speaker 2: a war zone for three days. But there's nobody that
Speaker 2: goes out in the middle of that. She's a deer nobody.
Speaker 2: You can hear all the gunfire is coming from the
Speaker 2: road to the public road and the private properties and
Speaker 2: all places you can pull in on the edge, but
Speaker 2: nobody walks in the middle of that. They don't. They
Speaker 2: just ain't got it in them. It's it's a scary,
Speaker 2: scary place. I mean, I could talk all day about
Speaker 2: how scary that place is.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you've had interactions with them in
Speaker 1: that area of Illinois as well? Or has it been
Speaker 1: mainly in Tennessee where we've been talking about.
Speaker 2: No, Illinois got it all started. My problem was I
Speaker 2: was in denial. I guess you know these things don't
Speaker 2: exist anymore. I heard all kinds of sounds, this wood
Speaker 2: knock thing. Now I listen to a podcast called wood
Speaker 2: knocks make no sense to me. Don't tell me that
Speaker 2: you're walking through the woods and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you hear a wood knock. Well, that would require a
Speaker 2: sosquad to be standing there all day, or all week
Speaker 2: or all month waiting for you to walk by to
Speaker 2: hit a tree with a stick. That he's what, He
Speaker 2: just automatically comes up with it. We know they don't
Speaker 2: walk around the clubs in their hand. Well, we don't
Speaker 2: know for sure, but they don't need clubs.
Speaker 3: That's another thing. They don't need clubs. They don't need weapons.
Speaker 2: If they are an evolved species, they decided to evolve
Speaker 2: into something that doesn't need anything but themselves. It's the
Speaker 2: most awesome thing when you think about it. But anyhow,
Speaker 2: there's nobody. No sauce squatch is gonna stand there with
Speaker 2: a stick in his hand, you know, just happen upon
Speaker 2: you crossing his path and then smack a tree. They're
Speaker 2: not gonna stand. They're not gonna snap a limb off
Speaker 2: and then snap the other end off. Souse. It's hard
Speaker 2: enough because every stick you pick up around a tree
Speaker 2: is a dead stick, and if you hit it, it just
Speaker 2: sounds like, you know, it's not gonna make much noise,
Speaker 2: not enough for you to hear it. So I was
Speaker 2: listening to one podcast one time and it finally made
Speaker 2: sense to me.
Speaker 3: They can make that sound with their tongue.
Speaker 2: I believe that because if you're gonna instantly, and if
Speaker 2: if it were the case that you were able to
Speaker 2: surprise the sauce clots, the first thing he would do
Speaker 2: is stop in his track and make that sound and
Speaker 2: let you know.
Speaker 3: If you're not lessening, you should be that he's close by.
Speaker 2: It could also be, in my opinion and invitation, it's
Speaker 2: also letting you know that we know you're here. So far,
Speaker 2: so good. Don't do anything stupid. But you are passing
Speaker 2: the point of no return if you're aware of it.
Speaker 2: But see now I'm aware of it. Back then I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I heard so many tree ox I just you know,
Speaker 2: I just ignore them, thinking, well, maybe this tree smacked
Speaker 2: against another one as I'm walking through, you know, little
Speaker 2: breeze comes by, and you've got two trees that are
Speaker 2: tangled up, and they just make that noise constantly.
Speaker 3: I don't know, And that's what I would always experience.
Speaker 2: But you know that's not the case, because I would
Speaker 2: also look at top, you know, after I would hear
Speaker 2: something like that, I would and have that opinion. And
Speaker 2: I have that opinion when I was a kid, I
Speaker 2: would look up as I'm walking through for about you know,
Speaker 2: at least a fifty one hundred feet, because it's that
Speaker 2: close to me. It wasn't like six miles away, and
Speaker 2: I'm looking for the trees that are rubbing against each other.
Speaker 3: They're not there. They're never there.
Speaker 2: Never, not one time I heard some mony, And now
Speaker 2: I just anytime I hear it now just drugging my
Speaker 2: shoulders and I just keep on going because it's not
Speaker 2: a threat. I don't take it as a threat.
Speaker 1: Are there any other sounds that you're hearing out there
Speaker 1: as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, in South Carolina, they come down and we got here.
Speaker 2: We came here from Florida and was camping out in
Speaker 2: National Forest and there was this two sasquatches. They was
Speaker 2: a boy and a girl. I wouldn't say, well, you
Speaker 2: could say male and female, but they seem to be
Speaker 2: young because they were having a good time. And they
Speaker 2: start screaming at the dogs. They'll yell directly at the dogs,
Speaker 2: and then the dogs would start just raising all for
Speaker 2: miles around, and they just kept messing with them, messing
Speaker 2: with them. And then they tore up a tree and
Speaker 2: I heard the first the boy Sasquats yelled, and then
Speaker 2: the female was down in the canyon. See from my
Speaker 2: years out and there was I can kind of see
Speaker 2: through the dark kind of you know, it's nothing special,
Speaker 2: but I can see what direction or something that's especially
Speaker 2: it's gonna make that kind of noise. I know which
Speaker 2: direction they're looking. I know how big it is, I mean, deer, whatever,
Speaker 2: anything close by. I'll be able to figure it out.
Speaker 3: I don't know, and we hear them all the time.
Speaker 2: I don't go out, I have been outside you know,
Speaker 2: technically for a while because I'm trying to heal from
Speaker 2: some injuries that have occurred over time anyhow, So they
Speaker 2: do it out here too. So after we got out
Speaker 2: of the campground. Oh and then I went down the
Speaker 2: next day, I went down that road where we were camping,
Speaker 2: and there was this tree just torn all the shreds
Speaker 2: and leaning up against the wall of the other trees
Speaker 2: that were on the side of the road. I was like,
Speaker 2: what did that. It wasn't something that drops got cut off.
Speaker 2: It was like stripped, had one strip stripped through. It
Speaker 2: looked like no lightning hit it. There was no storm
Speaker 2: that came through. There was no wind that tore it up.
Speaker 2: It just got it was really it was skinny, but
Speaker 2: it was long and big kind of at the same time.
Speaker 2: It's like, that's exactly where I heard the noise that
Speaker 2: was the night before, you know, last night heard that
Speaker 2: and it was just really.
Speaker 3: Funny and they loved messing with dogs. Asked my next story.
Speaker 2: It's like after we got out of the campground, after
Speaker 2: I'd come up here, I'd gotten a job because COVID
Speaker 2: and the company I worked for went out of business
Speaker 2: two months before COVID then COVID hit and then I'm
Speaker 2: stuck in Florida. Finally I found a job in South Carolina,
Speaker 2: so we moved up here, but we just went camping
Speaker 2: because not really good housing much up here. So finally
Speaker 2: we found a place in the country. One hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty days later after camping, that's perfect. And one long
Speaker 2: after that, I heard sasquatches mess some of the dogs
Speaker 2: up here. And there's a lot more dogs. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of neighbors around, but you can't kind of you
Speaker 2: can't see them. It's around a lake.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: There's not many water sources here, so they're gonna be
Speaker 2: here if they are here. So what we would hear
Speaker 2: is these dogs that's going crazy, going nuts. And so
Speaker 2: what I do is I'll bark back. I'll tell the
Speaker 2: dogs to shut up. I'll bark at the dogs, not
Speaker 2: bark like a dog, but I will sound like a sasquatch,
Speaker 2: a mean one.
Speaker 3: If they don't shut up, I get a little.
Speaker 2: Meaner, and I get as mean as I have to
Speaker 2: get until all of them across the country tride shut up.
Speaker 2: Because I can't stand barking dogs. I just can't deal
Speaker 2: with it. I don't like a dog that just barks constantly.
Speaker 2: My dogs aren't allowed to bark unless some importance is
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 3: I'm not I don't have that.
Speaker 2: And then when you've got a whole neighborhood, not a neighborhood,
Speaker 2: but a countryside full of dogs marking at the same time,
Speaker 2: and the thing I was telling you about before, I
Speaker 2: can tell when the dogs are barking and what direction
Speaker 2: they're barking at, and then it kind of points out
Speaker 2: where this is, and they'll all point straight.
Speaker 3: To the perpetrator.
Speaker 2: And I think the reason they do that is because
Speaker 2: they want all the dogs to make all that noise
Speaker 2: so they can come and raid whatever they want to raid,
Speaker 2: and no one hears anything except dogs barking.
Speaker 3: I think they use those dogs to their advantage. They
Speaker 3: did the same things to the coyotes.
Speaker 2: When I lived in Tennessee, coyotes used to yip and
Speaker 2: yap and yap, and they'd be like fifty of them.
Speaker 2: Why in the world would a bunch of a pack
Speaker 2: of fifty coyotes. You're lucky to see two or three
Speaker 2: or four at a time. If you ever see them
Speaker 2: fifty coyotes all rounded up. And then you listen up
Speaker 2: the hill a little further and you hear another big
Speaker 2: coyote just oh, and you think, you know, back then,
Speaker 2: I thought, well, that must be the king coyote. Well,
Speaker 2: the coyote was a sad squatch running. There's all kinds
Speaker 2: of running them through the mountain, getting ready to eat
Speaker 2: one of them, and they're all gathering up and hoping,
Speaker 2: you know, strengthen numbers.
Speaker 3: There's all kinds of rock piles off the side of
Speaker 3: my property.
Speaker 2: I had a house and sixteen acres there on the
Speaker 2: side of a mountain.
Speaker 3: There was no neighbors. There was a neighbor.
Speaker 2: You know, there are neighbors, but you know, I had
Speaker 2: a whole I don't know, twenty thirty miles out in
Speaker 2: front of me. I could just go and explore and
Speaker 2: anytime I wanted to and not cross, not across the street.
Speaker 2: And there's stone rock piles out there that make no
Speaker 2: sense to me. There were people that lived on the
Speaker 2: side of that mountain. You'll find their foundations or maybe
Speaker 2: their chimneys. They were close by the house. But uh,
Speaker 2: the places all these rock piles are, there's no reason
Speaker 2: think you could even you know, cut all the trees
Speaker 2: out and plant corn in it. Is it was just stupid.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're Indian graves.
Speaker 3: I don't know. There were some that were like cone shaped.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just like a rock pile, you know, you'd
Speaker 2: see you know, eight feet long, three feet high, four
Speaker 2: feet wide. There's plenty of those. And then there's others
Speaker 2: that are just like stacked up like a cone. Strange things,
Speaker 2: just you know, I see strange things everywhere.
Speaker 3: I mean not that I'm not making them up. I
Speaker 3: see him and that's what I see. And what are they?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: And was that at Tennessee in Tennessee?
Speaker 2: That was in Tennessee?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Did I tell you about the owls?
Speaker 1: No? Not yet?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, the owls after the eyeball thing, the red
Speaker 2: eyes after that, it wasn't long. It was the same year,
Speaker 2: in the same spring, and that was See I'm trying
Speaker 2: to put this together because you know, it's so long ago.
Speaker 2: And I have to say, was that the same year?
Speaker 2: Was it a week ago? A week before? Anyhow? So
Speaker 2: this owl goes out and starts hooting. So I get
Speaker 2: out on the porch, the same porch, and I start
Speaker 2: hooting back at this thing. And I'm pretty good at it,
Speaker 2: and so I'm hooting at this owl, and I'm hooting
Speaker 2: this owl, and then I realized that this may not
Speaker 2: be an owl. It's giant, it's huge. All I can
Speaker 2: see is, you know, just past the you know, it's
Speaker 2: just a wall of darkness through the woods. Middle of
Speaker 2: the night, about ten thirty eleven o'clock at night. This
Speaker 2: thing's hooting. I'm hooting back. I'm having a good time,
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there thinking, I think I'm gonna walk
Speaker 2: up there and see what that is. I was about
Speaker 2: to take a step off the porch, and another one
Speaker 2: off to my left at about forty five degrees did
Speaker 2: the same thing started hooting too. So now I've got
Speaker 2: two of these things hooting, so I'm hooting at both
Speaker 2: of them. I decide to back up. You know, I
Speaker 2: put my foot back on the porch, and I think
Speaker 2: these can't be owls because they're too big. They sound
Speaker 2: like they're six foot tall. Now I've listened to owls
Speaker 2: for I know want an owl sound. I've been in
Speaker 2: the woods planning. I know what a normal sized owl
Speaker 2: sounds like. These things were just way too loud. You
Speaker 2: could feel the vibration from these owls hooting. Then they
Speaker 2: just one shut up and the other one shut up,
Speaker 2: and I shut up, and I went to the house.
Speaker 2: But there was no way I was gonna go out
Speaker 2: there and see if I could get them, you know,
Speaker 2: out of the trees, or get a look at them.
Speaker 2: They were just too big. I've heard a lot of
Speaker 2: stories about that, but I had the And oh the
Speaker 2: other thing gave away was like at the end of
Speaker 2: an owl call, when you hear a real owl, it's
Speaker 2: always a who who to you. These things would growl
Speaker 2: at the end of it, and that's when that was
Speaker 2: the dead giveaway for me. But still at this time,
Speaker 2: I didn't think Bigfoot still existed. And then when I
Speaker 2: told you about those trees getting staffed up, happened about oh.
Speaker 3: Probably three or four weeks later.
Speaker 2: All those trees were in my driveway and they just
Speaker 2: snapped everything off the top. So maybe they got mad,
Speaker 2: Maybe they got mad at me because I was, you know,
Speaker 2: technically mocking them.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Mark, I want to I want to
Speaker 1: make sure I'm on the right page. So you had
Speaker 1: the owl. The owl thing happened after you had the
Speaker 1: visual with the one standing there with the squirrels, and
Speaker 1: you still were not one hundred percent together. So what
Speaker 1: was asking, Yeah, what pushed you over then?
Speaker 2: Podcast?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so I was raised.
Speaker 2: I was raised. I was raised in a family. If
Speaker 2: you brought up anything like that, told any stories like that,
Speaker 2: they would make you pay for it. You don't, don't
Speaker 2: bring it up, don't talk about it. That doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. So I was stuck with that in my brain.
Speaker 3: I'm not stuck with that anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's why it's taken me so long to
Speaker 2: come around. It wasn't like I'm an automatic souled enthusiast.
Speaker 2: I was just telling my girlfriend. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of people go out in the woods, say
Speaker 2: hear a tree knock, and they stop in their tracks,
Speaker 2: and they turn around, they go home. I just ignored them.
Speaker 1: Big for society, who would be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Heard I've heard. I can't even tell how many of
Speaker 2: those I've heard. I just ignore them and I just
Speaker 2: keep on going. You know, that's stupid. I mean, if
Speaker 2: I knew there were sasquatches in i'd stop my tracks.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't way around turned around at home. Sure, but
Speaker 2: I didn't know, you know, I just thought they were
Speaker 2: all dead. I didn't think they existed. I knew that
Speaker 2: existed in the past. I believe you know, I believed
Speaker 2: it thoroughly. I used to sit out when I would
Speaker 2: ride my horse out there and let her eat, and
Speaker 2: I'd look across the countryside, down the mountain and down
Speaker 2: the grassway under the power lines where we were all sitting,
Speaker 2: and where I was sitting and just wishing to see one.
Speaker 2: I always, like always dreamed of these things. Just walk
Speaker 2: out the side of the wood, just let me see
Speaker 2: the top of your head, and I'll be happy. But
Speaker 2: it never happened in the daylight. Never saw one in
Speaker 2: the daylight, or if I have, I've blocked it and
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to address it yet.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: So the one time that you had you were able
Speaker 1: to see one, the one that you said looked autistic.
Speaker 1: Was that one interaction that we've talked about. Were there
Speaker 1: any other interactions after.
Speaker 2: That or I don't know, well other than you know,
Speaker 2: just just hearing them constantly and knowing where they're at.
Speaker 2: No have any sightings other than that one. And that
Speaker 2: was sighting enough for me, sure, And that's scary enough
Speaker 2: for me not to want to go out in the
Speaker 2: woods again. Just like Elmer. You asked him if he
Speaker 2: still hunts. He said no, I gave that up. I
Speaker 2: don't hunt, I don't fish. I just stay home. And
Speaker 2: I mean what he experienced is enough to would keep
Speaker 2: me out of the woods too. I wouldn't. I wouldn't never.
Speaker 2: I mean him seeing that calf pulled in half. You know,
Speaker 2: I haven't had well. I actually, down here where I
Speaker 2: live now, like a year ago or so, I found
Speaker 2: a deer that all the skin was pulled off of it,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't during deer hunting season.
Speaker 3: Found that on the.
Speaker 2: Side of the road.
Speaker 1: Did it have its legs still?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nobody took any meat off of it. There was nothing.
Speaker 2: It was just just tore apart. But it had been
Speaker 2: in the woods for a good five or six days,
Speaker 2: and part of it was starting to dry out.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like fresh kill. But I found this thing
Speaker 2: because I saw some dogs run off the top of
Speaker 2: a hill out the end of my road where I live,
Speaker 2: and I got out and looked around us that had
Speaker 2: a piece of meat or skin in its mouth, and
Speaker 2: I was like, what is that?
Speaker 3: So I got out and I climbed up.
Speaker 2: On the hill and then you know, smelled the death
Speaker 2: and I went, wow, the only time I seen something
Speaker 2: like that happen is like, I know a lot of
Speaker 2: people and even my family, I think they.
Speaker 3: Used to do it sometimes.
Speaker 2: Is you cut it a certain way and you tie
Speaker 2: a chain to the skin and you just pull it
Speaker 2: behind a truck, you know, and the things tied to
Speaker 2: a tree and you skin it real quick. But you know,
Speaker 2: it usually takes the legs off. It makes a mess
Speaker 2: if you don't.
Speaker 3: Cut it right. It's just like, but this thing was
Speaker 3: pretty much intact.
Speaker 2: No one had you know, not a rib was missing,
Speaker 2: Coyotes hadn't been chewing on it.
Speaker 3: It was just there.
Speaker 2: And I what would do that?
Speaker 3: And why?
Speaker 2: Because even if if the human had done that, why
Speaker 2: is they going to go to the trouble to trip
Speaker 2: the skin off, not take a back leg a front leg.
Speaker 3: Nothing was missing from this deer. So I found that
Speaker 3: very odd.
Speaker 2: Ollieat you know, I don't think I've eaten any roadkill
Speaker 2: or have I I'm not sure. Oh God know the story.
Speaker 2: We were heading down to Florida and there's a viaduct
Speaker 2: in between here and Savannah can't tell you exactly where
Speaker 2: it's on nine to ninety five, and we had been
Speaker 2: through there like a couple of times back and forth
Speaker 2: to Florida, and I always looked at that place and
Speaker 2: I thought, boy, would that'd be a good place for
Speaker 2: a soft because right where the viaduct is was a
Speaker 2: big it starts the swampy areas down there towards Savannah,
Speaker 2: and so I thought, well, that'd be you look around
Speaker 2: and think, well, that'd be a great place for a
Speaker 2: sasquash be run around. About the third trip down there,
Speaker 2: we hit a wall of the biggest stink you could
Speaker 2: ever imagine. And I'm telling you it was mixture of skunk, garbage,
Speaker 2: dead animal, burnt tires of some sort, burnt suthing, just
Speaker 2: with the worst stink. And this is coming from a
Speaker 2: man that has been actually skunked in the face a
Speaker 2: foot away from my face by an actual skunk.
Speaker 3: This was ten times worse than it had that happened
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: It was horrible. Me and my girlfriend were just started screaming,
Speaker 2: what does that smell? It's not a paper mill. I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear anybody saying, no, it's probably those
Speaker 2: paper mills down there. I lived in Charleston when I
Speaker 2: was in the Navy, I had to deal with paper
Speaker 2: whills every day.
Speaker 3: You never got used to it. This was five times
Speaker 3: worse than that.
Speaker 2: It was horrible. So I mean it just unmistakable. It
Speaker 2: couldn't have been anything else couldn't have been. My sightings
Speaker 2: are smells of hearing things, you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But my sighting to me, with the red eye thing
Speaker 2: is just as good as seeing this singing broad daylight.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't need to see one in broad daylight.
Speaker 2: I don't need to make up any stories that I
Speaker 2: have seen one in broad daylight. I mean there's particular areas,
Speaker 2: like when I was running around with my horse and
Speaker 2: stuff in Tennessee. There's little cubby holes and little things
Speaker 2: you go into. It looks like they have their own
Speaker 2: bias fhere, and then you get this really spooky feeling
Speaker 2: about you shouldn't be in here, and you're told to leave.
Speaker 2: And I've always gotten nothing, I've wept. You can be
Speaker 2: out gathering stuff in the woods or something, then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden something will happen, like a wall gets
Speaker 2: in front of you and says it's time for you
Speaker 2: to go now. I said, really, She says, yeah. I
Speaker 2: used to have me down there when we were camping.
Speaker 2: I said, well, I've had that happen in my entire life.
Speaker 2: I just you know, I don't care fifty feet away,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to.
Speaker 3: Go get it.
Speaker 2: It's like you get told it's time to go, and
Speaker 2: if you pay attention enough, I guess you'll get along
Speaker 2: with these critters just fine. A lot of people don't
Speaker 2: pay attention. I worry about those that come up missing.
Speaker 2: I worry about people that you know, call these things cannibals. Well,
Speaker 2: the only way you call them a cannibal is if
Speaker 2: they're related to us number one. So somebody needs to
Speaker 2: prove to me that they're an actual cannibal. But I
Speaker 2: think the way that they treat us is the way
Speaker 2: we treat our chickens. If you got like five or
Speaker 2: ten chickens, you know they're out in your yard pecking around. Well,
Speaker 2: eventually you know one of them's going to wind up
Speaker 2: in the in the in the pot, in the oven.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like we love them, we even give
Speaker 2: them names. But eventually, when that hen stops laying eggs,
Speaker 2: she's going in the oven. And I think that's kind
Speaker 2: of the way they may be looking at us. They
Speaker 2: like us as long as we don't mess up. Maybe
Speaker 2: we don't do this. Maybe we get there too many times.
Speaker 2: It's like time to wring the chicken's neck. I've heard
Speaker 2: a little too many stories about, you know, finding bones
Speaker 2: and caves of eating humans that just recently disappeared. I
Speaker 2: don't know whether those are you know, true or not,
Speaker 2: but it just it makes you have to wonder, because
Speaker 2: they don't they're not They're not in any hurry to
Speaker 2: sit down across any table from us and negotiate about
Speaker 2: nothing about anything, even or I think even our own
Speaker 2: government can't handle these things. I think that's why they've
Speaker 2: made all these national forests. So give them a spot
Speaker 2: to where they can go live and the rest of
Speaker 2: us idiots don't go invade or settle or habitat. Gatlinburg's
Speaker 2: a good example of that. There's too many things going
Speaker 2: on and smokies. I won't I won't. I won't walk
Speaker 2: around the Smokeyes, I'll go to that creek that's going
Speaker 2: east to west towards Maryville, but that's the only place
Speaker 2: I play around in smokey. So I've just known that
Speaker 2: I didn't even know people were disappearing that. I just
Speaker 2: always had a feeling there. I'm not a scared I'm
Speaker 2: not a scared to anything kind of guy. And that's
Speaker 2: just I just knew how to act. I guess I
Speaker 2: just knew not to go do this, don't go do that.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, one thing happened to me.
Speaker 2: I was driving down toward Gatlin Bird from the top
Speaker 2: of the mountain out of Cherokee and started seeing Indian
Speaker 2: graves or pot rock piles, and then I smelled a bear.
Speaker 2: That's enough for me. I don't need to get in
Speaker 2: some hollow back there and come up against the five
Speaker 2: hundred pound black bear. You want to understand, they're not
Speaker 2: very friendly. You know, you can't talk them out of hunger.
Speaker 2: So I just never But I mean, that's what I
Speaker 2: know now. I didn't know that then, but just the
Speaker 2: atmosphere kept me from doing anything stupid in the Smokies.
Speaker 2: So when you start like the built Gatlinburg, and when
Speaker 2: you start pinning these people in into a certain area,
Speaker 2: the only thing they can do is strike back. You
Speaker 2: know what happens if you're sitting on your front porch
Speaker 2: and something comes out of the woods and just starts
Speaker 2: taking and eating everything, garbaging up your front yard and
Speaker 2: doesn't even recognize you're sitting there. What are you going
Speaker 2: to do about that?
Speaker 3: That's kind of what's going on with them.
Speaker 2: I believe. Don't get out there and do anything stupid.
Speaker 2: And if you get away with it, good for you.
Speaker 2: But don't do it twice. Don't do it three times.
Speaker 2: They're just bad. Things can happen.
Speaker 1: Hey, you're talking about big foot specifically, right, Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think people should put out any type of
Speaker 1: food for them if they know that they're in their area.
Speaker 3: That's a tough one.
Speaker 2: It's a yes and no. It's a I would put
Speaker 2: out enough to just to let them know that I'm
Speaker 2: aware that they're there, and I appreciate they're there because
Speaker 2: they're good guard dogs. They're awesome guard dog. Nothing's going
Speaker 2: to come around your property if they're sleeping outside in
Speaker 2: the woods, just right on the edge across the fence,
Speaker 2: nothing's going to mess with you. But don't overfeed. If
Speaker 2: you start feeding them and feeding them and feeding them.
Speaker 2: I'm going to use videos for example that I've heard.
Speaker 2: There was a woman that did that. I don't know
Speaker 2: where it was. I think it around North Carolina or something,
Speaker 2: and she went away for a week and when she
Speaker 2: got back, they had completely destroyed her entire property.
Speaker 3: Because she wasn't there to feed them every day.
Speaker 2: They had to bring in a professional team to come
Speaker 2: in there and shoot that thing.
Speaker 3: It was like ten feet tall, big giant thing.
Speaker 2: And since he didn't get fed that week, she had
Speaker 2: went off to visit somewhere and she came back to
Speaker 2: the destarter place. They had to like calm that thing down,
Speaker 2: and even the team that they brought in couldn't handle them.
Speaker 2: They had to call a bigger team that you know
Speaker 2: even more. You know, if you want to believe this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. You know, I don't know what's totally
Speaker 2: incompletely true espousing that it is, but but I can
Speaker 2: surely go along if something you know that big, and
Speaker 2: I know they're anywhere. What makes me angry the most
Speaker 2: I think is, uh, you know, we're you know, it's
Speaker 2: some kind of stigma to speak up about this, to
Speaker 2: say that, uh, you know, we believe in it, or
Speaker 2: even even the people that know about it, it's like Elmer,
Speaker 2: he knows, I know, but you know, people look down
Speaker 2: on you and saying it doesn't exist, which you know
Speaker 2: puts us in a category of people being insane and
Speaker 2: need to be locked up in the street jacket all.
Speaker 2: And that's just not that's I'm not willing to accept that.
Speaker 2: I'm not, especially when I know the way they act
Speaker 2: by not giving up information. Oh here's here's one that
Speaker 2: game Warden that Elmer had talked to. He just strictly
Speaker 2: told him just don't do it. Don't do it. He
Speaker 2: wasn't trying to protect the Saucequatches.
Speaker 3: He did.
Speaker 2: He knows something of him that has told him he
Speaker 2: doesn't want the heat this. You know, he's saying, this
Speaker 2: is my neighborhood. Do not shoot that thing, because if
Speaker 2: you do, it's gonna come down on me. That's what
Speaker 2: that meant. It'll come down on him too, but it's
Speaker 2: gonna come down on him first, and he don't want
Speaker 2: to hear that music. It's a fearful it's a fearful,
Speaker 2: frightful thing for the government to come after you. How
Speaker 2: many podcasts have I heard It's like, next thing I know,
Speaker 2: there's a black helicopter, or the men in black show up,
Speaker 2: or the next thing I'm dealing with a bunch of
Speaker 2: FBI agents making me sign an nda. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: a little I'm not fearful of that necessarily, but I
Speaker 2: got a big mouth.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: The area in Tennessee. Have you have you ever talked
Speaker 1: to your neighbors to see if they're experiencing things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is one time. My neighbor Bill, good friend
Speaker 2: of mine, he lived down down there. You know, I
Speaker 2: used to ride my horse from through the woods from
Speaker 2: my house down to his. People thought that was crazy.
Speaker 2: You know, It's just it was just normal to me,
Speaker 2: but they thought, wow, that's crazy. Yeah, So he was
Speaker 2: riding my horse down there.
Speaker 3: We drink beer instead of sit around hanging out and
Speaker 3: all that stuff.
Speaker 2: He was an old hippie. But he got drunk one
Speaker 2: night and claimed he went down the road and claimed
Speaker 2: he saw buffalo. He said it was right beside my truck.
Speaker 2: I'm only doing ten fifteen miles an hour, and I
Speaker 2: got buffalo walking beside me out my window. And I
Speaker 2: couldn't figure it out. It's like, how would a stray buffalo?
Speaker 2: He says. It's just like, you know, buffalo when they
Speaker 2: shed their hair in the wintertime. It was like it
Speaker 2: was all hairy and like all matted up, and it
Speaker 2: was walking on all fours, he mentioned. I said, he
Speaker 2: just kept saying it was walking on on all fours.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I kept saying.
Speaker 1: That big for society, who will be right back after
Speaker 1: these messages?
Speaker 2: He said maybe it was a subsquatch, And I even
Speaker 2: talked to him. I said, there's no way, Bill, there's
Speaker 2: no sasquatch running around here. He said, the thing was
Speaker 2: like it was huge. It was as big as my truck.
Speaker 2: It was tall at the back of it. I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the back of it, but he didn't see the
Speaker 2: front of it. So just where he had seen this thing,
Speaker 2: it was right at this little little short bridge, small
Speaker 2: low bridge that goes over a creek, a dry creek.
Speaker 2: And if you make a left right there at that
Speaker 2: thing and walk about a mile, there's this huge giant
Speaker 2: sinkhole cave system. I've been in it, got in it,
Speaker 2: crawled in it, big enough for one of them things
Speaker 2: to get in it and just live there. And there's
Speaker 2: another cave down the road to the right. I've gott
Speaker 2: in that cave when I was younger, and so there's
Speaker 2: plenty of it, you know, if he wanted to hide,
Speaker 2: there's plenty of places for the big thing to hide.
Speaker 2: So I went down to my other neighbor, which was
Speaker 2: a friend of ours, and I kind of sat for
Speaker 2: a couple of days thinking about, well, maybe he's right,
Speaker 2: maybe it is a big foot. And I brought it
Speaker 2: up to him and he.
Speaker 3: Went monkey nuts on me and told me to shut up,
Speaker 3: don't bring that up again.
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about it, and I don't
Speaker 2: want to want you bring that up to Just don't
Speaker 2: talk about it. I said, what's the matter, it's not
Speaker 2: a buffalo. I'm just talking about it. It's not a buffalo.
Speaker 2: Maybe it is a big foot. He says, that's enough
Speaker 2: for me. That's enough, so I'd say, And I couldn't
Speaker 2: talk to him about it ever again. It was a
Speaker 2: don't don't bring us up, don't bring us up, shot
Speaker 2: up ever again. But he lived down right there in
Speaker 2: the valley, not three months or not a mile away
Speaker 2: from where he saw this thing. But he was just
Speaker 2: not even wanting to hear the possibility of the theory
Speaker 2: of maybe because we know it's not a buffalo. Oh,
Speaker 2: Bill's just drunk. He was just drunk. No many what
Speaker 2: it was. Sorry, it wasn't my sighting. That's just the
Speaker 2: story that sound, and that was the end of that.
Speaker 2: Bill died not long after that, probably about a year after.
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, Bill was a drinker, but he
Speaker 2: wasn't an hallucinator.
Speaker 3: I know that for a fact.
Speaker 1: Wow, what an interesting area. Do you ever hear anything
Speaker 1: else weird in the woods besides the sounds that you're
Speaker 1: attributing to Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: Well? The only oh any other things weird? Oh let
Speaker 2: me think that's a curveball? Yeah, that I can't remember
Speaker 2: what they are. I'm trying to just rack my brain
Speaker 2: with what I'm dealing with. But no steel doors closing. Okay,
Speaker 2: actually it's nothing. It's nothing I heard, but it's what
Speaker 2: I saw when I'm sitting there with that bob Back
Speaker 2: when I was sitting there with that bobcat, I told
Speaker 2: you I hadn't objective that I wanted to get to.
Speaker 2: So while I'm dealing with this bobcat, my girlfriend's got
Speaker 2: a sprained ankle, and you know, and my dogs, well,
Speaker 2: my dogs aren't giving me a problem necessarily. And then
Speaker 2: that twisted tree is right across the.
Speaker 3: Creek from me.
Speaker 2: I'm looking down and what should be darker black. I
Speaker 2: kept seeing this.
Speaker 3: It looked like there was a white building sitting there.
Speaker 2: I well, what is that? Why is there? There shouldn't
Speaker 2: be anything white, and it's huge and it's sitting there
Speaker 2: just like I could just you could just barely see
Speaker 2: it through the trees. But it's solid white. The rocks
Speaker 2: aren't going to be white. There's nothing there that should
Speaker 2: be white. But you know, I'm dealing with, you know,
Speaker 2: quite a few issues there. I keep glancing down there,
Speaker 2: see what that is. I'm glancing around. What am I
Speaker 2: going to do with this cat? So once I got
Speaker 2: the cat down, I thought about going. Then we just
Speaker 2: decided no, I'll see it some other time. But it
Speaker 2: was it was just too big. I had been to
Speaker 2: that place way too many times. There's no such thing
Speaker 2: as anything being white. There's no building, there's no road
Speaker 2: to anybody to carry anything out there. There's a huge
Speaker 2: I just know there was like a white wall down
Speaker 2: at the end of where I wanted to get to,
Speaker 2: and I didn't go see what it was. Call it
Speaker 2: a legend, call it what you will, but I just
Speaker 2: found that so odd and still to this day bothers
Speaker 2: me because I've been out there one hundred times and
Speaker 2: there's nothing white out there. Stupid. There's no way anybody
Speaker 2: brought anything white out there. As far as other sounds, no,
Speaker 2: I don't think really, not really. I may remember something later,
Speaker 2: but right now, off the top of my head, no,
Speaker 2: nothing spooky scary. I think I think there are dog
Speaker 2: men there, but I don't think. I think it's kind
Speaker 2: of like they from what I understand, they don't like
Speaker 2: each other much. They're in Kentucky across the river, and
Speaker 2: I got the guard dogs that I got, which I'm
Speaker 2: happy about.
Speaker 3: I don't want to deal with no movement.
Speaker 1: Would you rather deal with one over the other?
Speaker 2: No, I'll deal with them both. I think dog men
Speaker 2: just like to scare people. I don't think they really
Speaker 2: feed on us necessarily. I think they just like I
Speaker 2: think they. I think it feeds them, our fear feeds them.
Speaker 2: How bad they can scare the crap out of us
Speaker 2: because there's not well, there are a lot of disappearances
Speaker 2: that not necessarily dead. Not the government's gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: admit to so who knows. I know they eat people.
Speaker 2: I know that, so I guess I shouldn't be so
Speaker 2: not afraid.
Speaker 3: But I'm not afraid of either one of them.
Speaker 2: Actually, the only problem I would have about dying is
Speaker 2: that people who have just come behind me and clean
Speaker 2: up my mess. That's what I'm trying. I mean, you
Speaker 2: know all the things that left behind, you know it
Speaker 2: would be on them. I'm not afraid of these things necessarily.
Speaker 2: I'm just afraid of how many people I'd be putting
Speaker 2: out if I got eaten by one of them.
Speaker 3: I don't mind dying dying. He's had a wife that
Speaker 3: died in my arms.
Speaker 2: So and she she came back and told me what
Speaker 2: was like up there. So I'm I'm well versed about
Speaker 2: what happens after you die, and I ain't scared of
Speaker 2: none of it. It's just like you just take a
Speaker 2: big short nap, that's all. Just clonk me on the
Speaker 2: head and have a river too.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that Joy lost your wife.
Speaker 2: That that's okay.
Speaker 3: I got another girl, gotcha kids?
Speaker 1: Did that happen before I took her?
Speaker 2: I took her there one I took her there one time,
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, and we were down at
Speaker 2: a place where I used to go see in pretty
Speaker 2: close the same area, and I'm telling her a story
Speaker 2: about you know, the history of the place and where
Speaker 2: we used to come out and hang out and do
Speaker 2: all that stuff. And trees start shaking at the top
Speaker 2: of the ridge on the other side of the creek,
Speaker 2: and there was really not necessarily any wind, and it
Speaker 2: was only like three trees, and they kept just like
Speaker 2: swaying and swaying and back and forth, and you look
Speaker 2: up and down the ridge from one thing to the other.
Speaker 2: It's just these three trees. And they just kept interrupting
Speaker 2: my story because it was making noise. So I looked
Speaker 2: up and I just yelled up the hill. I said,
Speaker 2: I'll be with you in a minute.
Speaker 3: And it stopped.
Speaker 2: When one blowing real hard. There's a little, you know,
Speaker 2: three five mile hour breeze, and she said something like.
Speaker 3: What's going on up there? I said, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Hams all the time, and then we left. I remembered
Speaker 2: that the other day. I know all this sounds crazy,
Speaker 2: but it's all horribly true.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to me, it's not crazy at all, because
Speaker 1: I hear versions of this every single day, and it
Speaker 1: is absolutely wild how how many people are experiencing things
Speaker 1: like this all across the US. And people don't realize that,
Speaker 1: but I hear right them every single day. It is
Speaker 1: absolutely wild.
Speaker 2: My only hope. Not my only hope. I have many hopes.
Speaker 2: But insofar as this regard, I want people to imagine
Speaker 2: themselves as a sasquatch. What they have to deal with,
Speaker 2: how cold it gets, how they don't have shoes, how
Speaker 2: they don't have blankets, and so you know, why are
Speaker 2: you're going to get upset if you know the last
Speaker 2: thing you need to worry about is running them out
Speaker 2: of the spot that they had picked that day to survive,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they got to pick up
Speaker 2: and run and go somewhere else. I want people start
Speaker 2: thinking about what they're doing for they go out and
Speaker 2: start messing with these things, they need to leave them.
Speaker 2: They don't have to leave them alone. They can walk
Speaker 2: out there. Just keep your mouth shutting up.
Speaker 3: Same thing.
Speaker 2: Don't make any noise, don't make any racket, don't bring
Speaker 2: any friends. We bring a friend or two if you
Speaker 2: need to. But they need to start imagine what it'd
Speaker 2: be like if it were them sitting on the side
Speaker 2: of that ridge and having to sleep outside and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. It's not that they're suffering. They evolved into that.
Speaker 2: Like I said, they don't need weapons, they don't need
Speaker 2: fire they're perfectly fine with the way they are. The
Speaker 2: only problem they have with us is we make too
Speaker 2: much noise and they're not allowed to be seen by us.
Speaker 2: They have to run from us. But you know, there
Speaker 2: comes a time where I think another thing. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think that they're not only duplicitess, they're quadplicitess. You know,
Speaker 2: if it's an easy kill, and if they can know
Speaker 2: on their own that there are no witnesses and you'll
Speaker 2: never be heard or spoke of again, they'll take you.
Speaker 2: Never put yourself into that position. I mean, the things
Speaker 2: I do that I used to do, I would say
Speaker 2: are dangerous or not. Just don't don't do that on
Speaker 2: a reg unless you have established a relationship with them,
Speaker 2: unless you know that you're going to be safe. But
Speaker 2: there may come a day, even with me, they'll just come,
Speaker 2: you know, they'll snatch me up. They've had enough time
Speaker 2: for supper.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you've established a relationship with.
Speaker 2: With the absolutely yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely see. I make
Speaker 2: sure you know, not the word the owner or anything
Speaker 2: like that. When I go out in the woods so
Speaker 2: they can smell me. I want them to remember because
Speaker 2: my scent hasn't changed since I was a little kid.
Speaker 2: It's still the same, and so they can smell me
Speaker 2: for miles away.
Speaker 1: How often are you are you talking to them out loud?
Speaker 1: Do you find?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Not lately, I've shut myself in the house for a year.
Speaker 2: Well all the time, I still do. But you know,
Speaker 2: you can call that person a crazy person easily. I
Speaker 2: believe I'm in touch with them right now. I know,
Speaker 2: I just know it. I mean, so far, I'm in
Speaker 2: negotiations with them. Okay, guys, I got something I gotta
Speaker 2: come up. I got it something, I got to come
Speaker 2: up there and do it. It's in their territory and
Speaker 2: they ain't gonna like it.
Speaker 1: How do you feel you're connected to them?
Speaker 2: Huh, I'm part Indian. I'm connected to them because they
Speaker 2: I think that they I was entertainment to them. There
Speaker 2: was another thing I did like At the bottom of
Speaker 2: that that creek I'm telling you about, at the top
Speaker 2: of that, there's a there's a bluff and I used
Speaker 2: to want to get done running. I'd go up climb
Speaker 2: that bluff and get on top of that. There'd be
Speaker 2: huckleberries up there and stuff to eat, and off to
Speaker 2: the right and you can see see for miles from
Speaker 2: top of that bluff and off to the right was
Speaker 2: a hawk's nest about seventy feet maybe one hundred feet
Speaker 2: in the growing in a big old tree. So I
Speaker 2: devised a way to tie up a bunch of binder
Speaker 2: twine haybales. We had a lot of horses, so we
Speaker 2: had binder twine everywhere. So I devised a way to
Speaker 2: make my own rope and throw a rock over the
Speaker 2: limb with a small string tied to the you know,
Speaker 2: the big rope that I had made out of this
Speaker 2: binder twine, and it was double, so I had to
Speaker 2: throw the rock over the limb. Then you pull the string,
Speaker 2: which pulls up the rope, which springs the other side down,
Speaker 2: and you twist that together and you climb the tree
Speaker 2: to get to the hawk class. I'm sure that was
Speaker 2: an entertaining day for them because I did that. It
Speaker 2: was it was high. It was like, I mean, I
Speaker 2: couldn't get the rock over the limb, that's how high
Speaker 2: the limb was. And I'm good, I'm good at throwing stuff, baseballs,
Speaker 2: you name it. And it took me a good twenty
Speaker 2: five thirty minutes. I had to sit down, take a break,
Speaker 2: from throwing that rug just to get over the first
Speaker 2: limb of that tree. Finally got it when I was
Speaker 2: about to give up, and I pulled the thing up
Speaker 2: and then I twisted around and I climbed that fifty
Speaker 2: foot rope. I mean it was high, I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: sent a big tree. Climbed up and saw the little chickens,
Speaker 2: and instead of taking one, I decided just leave them
Speaker 2: alone and climbed back down. And that was my exercise
Speaker 2: for that week. So if there's any sasquatches around there,
Speaker 2: sitting there watching me, you know, making rope, not bringing
Speaker 2: a rope, making a rope just to get up to
Speaker 2: go look at these chickens, these redtail hawk babies, and
Speaker 2: they were there. I decided I just turn around and
Speaker 2: go back, no reason whatsoever. Hey, have you seen pictures
Speaker 2: of a guard of the gods, like good pictures of them? Yeah?
Speaker 2: P Have you seen that pedalstal out in front in
Speaker 2: the middle of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen pictures of the rock formations.
Speaker 2: But you've seen that. You've seen the camel head, right,
Speaker 2: the camel head there's that's that's it's I mean, as
Speaker 2: far as I know, that's it's claim to fame. There's
Speaker 2: a camel.
Speaker 1: Head, is it?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now. So it's called camel Rock.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Big for Society will be right back after
Speaker 1: these messages. Okay, Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Can you see that? Can you see like a pedalstal
Speaker 2: down below that? Yes, it looks like about Yeah. I
Speaker 2: jumped off of that over towards a camel head when
Speaker 2: I was in the Navy. I got a picture of
Speaker 2: it too, and so it's a bit a bit wide there.
Speaker 2: That's how crazy.
Speaker 1: I weren't kidding around now.
Speaker 2: And my reason for doing it was I was going
Speaker 2: to ask my girlfriend to marry me that day, but
Speaker 2: I just left it up to God to see, Well,
Speaker 2: if I shouldn't marry this woman, why don't you just
Speaker 2: kill me? So I jumped jumped out the rock and
Speaker 2: told her to take my picture as I'm doing it,
Speaker 2: and we're out there with our friends and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: go ahead. That sounds like a good idea. Yeah, I twisted.
Speaker 2: I twisted my ankle really bad, but you know, wound
Speaker 2: up marrying the girl.
Speaker 1: There you go, There you go, good stuff. Mark you
Speaker 1: you you've been through some really interesting stuff. It sounds
Speaker 1: like you're still going through it.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get started. I'm trying to get started
Speaker 2: back up again. I have finished living my life. My
Speaker 2: body's just a little broke down from all the things
Speaker 2: I've done. I used to live on a boat in Florida,
Speaker 2: out on the hook, not at a marina, just like rowing, sailing,
Speaker 2: riding a bicycle twelve miles a day, and that's if
Speaker 2: nothing went wrong to get to work come backs like
Speaker 2: i've really there's a lot more to it to that,
Speaker 2: But it's not sosquatch oriented necessarily, right, or maybe the
Speaker 2: maybe the occurrences that happened to me in Florida. I
Speaker 2: haven't popped in my you know, minus two head yet
Speaker 2: you know figured out later.
Speaker 1: Well, you know sometimes you know, connections get made later
Speaker 1: on in life, and you know things might continue to
Speaker 1: happen as well on the property that you're at.
Speaker 2: But I mean, oh, I sang two songs to a
Speaker 2: Bobcat in Florida one night. That was crazy driving to
Speaker 2: go to I guess I was on I may have
Speaker 2: been on a beer runner. I needed cigarettes.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was living on a boat. So I got to
Speaker 2: my bike in this park that I lived in get
Speaker 2: down the driveway or go down going down the sidewalk
Speaker 2: out of this park, and there's a giant bobcat laying
Speaker 2: on the sidewalk just looking at me. So I slid
Speaker 2: my foot to a stop from about ten feet away
Speaker 2: from this thing. So I'm not going anywhere. The Bobcat's
Speaker 2: not going anywhere. It's not looking unfriendly, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's looking at me like what you got for me? Now?
Speaker 2: So I sat there and I sang two songs to
Speaker 2: that bobcat. Finally it left. What were the songs songs?
Speaker 3: I wrote?
Speaker 2: I think so cool?
Speaker 1: Well there you go.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, it's kind of funny. I felt like snow white.
Speaker 1: Hey maybe maybe you saved that.
Speaker 2: Oh I had another one that out see where I
Speaker 2: saw that sasquatch I had just Randy used to come
Speaker 2: in and wake me up every morning. I finally got
Speaker 2: to the point getting my chest and bark right in
Speaker 2: my face to get me awake. God damn, you get
Speaker 2: out of here. It's like I felt like snow white
Speaker 2: then too.
Speaker 1: That's that's two snow white things. So who knows what's next.
Speaker 1: But don't go eating any apples, I guess, but uh.
Speaker 3: No, right, away from those I don't have the teeth
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 1: There you go, Mark, keep us, keep us in mind
Speaker 1: if if anything else continues to happen once you get
Speaker 1: back out there. But thank you for sharing. What you've
Speaker 1: experienced so far has been it's been very unlightening. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are gonna are gonna learn
Speaker 1: some things from.
Speaker 2: It, well, I hope. So. I mean, I don't want
Speaker 2: anybody like this calling people crazy.
Speaker 3: Stuff needs to stop.
Speaker 2: It does yeah, you know, And like I'm not here
Speaker 2: a lie or promote. I'm not calling the next guy
Speaker 2: to tell my story. I just need to get this
Speaker 2: out and just get it over with so I can
Speaker 2: move on with my life necessarily. I'm not looking to
Speaker 2: make a podcast get famous by any meanings, just don't.
Speaker 2: I want nothing to do with it. It has to
Speaker 2: I just gotta i don't know, maybe set the records trait,
Speaker 2: Maybe calm some people down, Maybe tell some people they
Speaker 2: need to calm down. You know, there's just so many
Speaker 2: variables to this thing. It's like you just like when
Speaker 2: you ask me what do I think it is? You
Speaker 2: can't just call it one thing right right? You know,
Speaker 2: there's just too many things going on and you have
Speaker 2: to recognize what you're dealing with. Like I said, you
Speaker 2: can go out west, you're going to find a completely
Speaker 2: different animal. Maybe they are field. Maybe they would just
Speaker 2: put their foot down and said this is our territory
Speaker 2: and we have a zero tolerance policy. There's a place
Speaker 2: in Alaska they wiped the town out, like I think
Speaker 2: twice because they just didn't want them there and ran
Speaker 2: them out, killed a bunch of people. So some have
Speaker 2: a zero tolerance. Some are kinder than others. You know,
Speaker 2: you just gotta you always have to know what you're
Speaker 2: dealing with. So that's why I say, we can't just
Speaker 2: call these things one thing.
Speaker 3: And you know, look at them in.
Speaker 2: I don't know one, you know, and in one view,
Speaker 2: this is what they are. You know, they're not a gorilla.
Speaker 1: Sure you know what to do.
Speaker 2: You know what to do with a gorilla. You know
Speaker 2: what to do with They all do the same thing.
Speaker 2: They're not a polar bear. They all do the same thing.
Speaker 2: These things don't do the same thing anyway. So sorry
Speaker 2: for running on. I know you probably have to edit
Speaker 2: that out, but that's just what I think.
Speaker 1: Well, Mark, I appreciate you coming on. Man, If there's
Speaker 1: anything I can I can ever do to help out.
Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to you know, you can send me
Speaker 1: an email, but I appreciate you sharing your thoughts tonight.
Speaker 2: Man. All right, thanks for that. I appreciate that. I
Speaker 2: will if I have any questions, I'll give you a
Speaker 2: give you a.
Speaker 3: Bother, but probably don't count on it.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2: Well, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go find
Speaker 2: out now that I know, now that I know everything
Speaker 2: I know, I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Practically walk up to one of these things because I'm
Speaker 3: done from them making me look like a fool.
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to see how that how that goes.
Speaker 1: If you do end up doing that, I'll let you.
Speaker 2: Know if I'm planning on going here in about a
Speaker 2: couple of months if I can, Okay, so I'll let
Speaker 2: you know. All right, all right, thanks Jeremi.
Speaker 1: Well I'll talk to you later. Thank you.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
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