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Welcome 29 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:42.799 to Applied Save America. 30 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:44.280 I'm John Favreum, I'm Dan Feiffer. 31 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:46.319 On today's show, We're going to talk about how Donald 32 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:49.799 Trump's revenge tour is backfiring in a way that just 33 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.359 about everybody could have predicted, with everything from his ballroom 34 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:57.319 funding to his insurrectionist slush funds now in Jeopardy. We'll 35 00:01:57.319 --> 00:01:59.480 also talk about how Trump may have made things even 36 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:02.079 worse for US Party with his endorsement of Ken Paxton 37 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:05.319 over John Cornyn in Texas, and then, just to prove 38 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:08.159 that Republicans aren't the only ones stepping on rakes, we'll 39 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:10.719 talk about the long awaited release of the twenty twenty 40 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:14.280 four DNC autopsy and whether Ken Martin's job as DNC 41 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:17.360 chair is in jeopardy. We'll also talk about new results 42 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:19.599 from this week's New York Times poll focused on what 43 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:23.400 Democratic voters want from the Democratic Party. 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It seems like just yesterday, because 61 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:25.800 it was that the White House warned us to never 62 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:30.560 again doubt Donald Trump's political power, and certain journalists proclaimed 63 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:35.000 an incredible few weeks for the president's political operation. This 64 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:38.560 is all because Trump's handpicked primary challengers defeated Louisiana Senator 65 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:43.199 Bill Cassidy in Kentucky Congressman Thomas Massey. Well, twenty four 66 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:46.039 hours later, here's a text from a Republican senator to 67 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:50.560 punch Bowl News. Quote. Our majority is melting down before 68 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:55.879 our eyes. So what happened? What happened? Well, the Senate 69 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:58.639 was supposed to be voting on Trump's bill to fund ICE, 70 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:04.000 but then he also demanded one billion dollars for his ballroom, 71 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:08.000 and he announced that he's stealing two billion dollars from 72 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:11.479 taxpayers so that he can potentially hand out cash payments 73 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:15.879 to January sixth rioters who almost killed police officers, and 74 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:19.720 basically anyone else he thinks has been mistreated by the 75 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:23.959 justice system. Neither of these things sat very well with 76 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:27.920 some Republicans, including people like Bill Cassidy, whose career Trump 77 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:32.079 just ended, and after a reportedly tense meeting about the 78 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:35.959 insurrection of slush fund with Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche, 79 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:40.000 where some Republicans proposed restrictions on the slush fund sent 80 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:43.439 a majority. Leader John Thune canceled the vote entirely and 81 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:48.040 told everyone to go home until June. Here's Blanche and JD. 82 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:51.600 Vance earlier in the week, refusing to rule out taxpayer 83 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:54.920 funded payouts for violent insurrectionists. 84 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:56.600 You know who never. 85 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:59.800 Ever gets an ounce of sympathy when it comes to 86 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:03.600 disproportionate sentencing is people who voted for Donald Trump and 87 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:05.439 participated in the January sixth protest. 88 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:09.959 Well, individuals who assaulted Capitol Hill police officers be eligible 89 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:10.560 for this fund. 90 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:14.560 Well, as it makes plain, any just let. 91 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:16.319 Me know if they're eligible for the fund. 92 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:19.879 As as as was made plain yesterday, anybody in this 93 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:22.120 country is eligible to apply. 94 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.360 You're not gonna submit this proposal to any federal judge 95 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:29.120 or there is no judge, any independent authority. 96 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:31.480 That an independent What does that mean an independent authority? 97 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:33.959 Well, it means not somebody who's getting to pick five 98 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:36.759 of the members. Who is the president's former personal attorney. 99 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:39.319 That would be somebody who would be independent on the 100 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:42.079 acting attorney general. Okay, the fact that I used to 101 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:44.759 be President Trump's lawyer is just a fact. 102 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:46.399 But I'm the acting attorney general. 103 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:48.639 So don't say the president's former personal lawyer will do 104 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:51.600 something the acting attorney general will do. Sister Attorney general, 105 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:54.839 you are acting today like the president's personal attorney. And 106 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:56.160 that's the whole problem. 107 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:57.519 That's the good shit right there. 108 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:02.759 It's a good shit. What a winer. Uh So, after 109 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:07.360 Senate Republicans were in revolts and the majority of melting down, 110 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:11.000 Trump was asked about it in the Oval on Thursday. 111 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.199 Here's what he said, Are you losing control on the 112 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:14.839 Senate Center? 113 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:15.920 I don't know. 114 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:16.920 I really don't know. 115 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:17.560 I can tell you. 116 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:18.639 I only do what's right. 117 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:20.120 Uh. 118 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:21.879 I don't need money for the ball and you're not 119 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:25.240 making a gift to the ballroom. He's the biggest uh 120 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:27.360 misreporting that I've ever seen. 121 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:29.560 Okay, well, we'll dig into that in a little bit. 122 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:35.199 An incredible week for Trump's political operation, Dan, It's incredible. 123 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:36.519 Incredible, truly unbelievable. 124 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:39.600 Uh, let's start with the slush fund. You and I 125 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:43.439 talked about this on last Friday's episode, and we talked 126 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:49.800 about how Trump potentially settling the IRS lawsuit by personally 127 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:56.800 pocketing billions in taxpayer dollars was maybe the worst political 128 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.319 move we could imagine. And then they did the slush 129 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:03.480 fund right as we were finishing the recording, so we 130 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.720 only briefly get to talk about it. What do you think? 131 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:09.439 What do you think about the political move of instead 132 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:12.680 of Trump just pocketing the cash, deciding to put it 133 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:15.240 in a fund with no accountability whatsoever so they can 134 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:17.480 secretly pay out whoever they'd like. 135 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.720 Look, these brilliant fucking geniuses and the Trump political team, 136 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:22.720 the same ones who spent twenty million dollars to defeat 137 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:24.920 a congress Republican congressman a district that Trump won by 138 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:28.600 thirty five points, really figured this one out. So instead 139 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:34.199 of giving billions of dollars to one criminal, they're going 140 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:38.560 to give one point seven to seven six billion, which 141 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:43.879 is so clever to an untold number of criminals, many 142 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:47.279 of whom committed violent offenses, assaulting the Capitol and assaulting 143 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:47.959 police officers. 144 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:49.920 Yeah, it's a it is. 145 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:53.279 It is a move so bad that even Republican senators 146 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:55.319 can figure out that it's bad politically. 147 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:57.839 Just so, I mean, part of this is it's such 148 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:01.319 a politically bad move that I've been and shocked by it. 149 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:03.680 I've been laughing about it because how could you be 150 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.759 so stupid. It's fun watching the Republicans freak out about 151 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:12.319 this and everything fall apart. But NPR did a story 152 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:16.399 about it where they started going through some of the 153 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:21.800 potential January sixth convicted felons or people who were going 154 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:24.480 to be on trial until Trump pardoned them, to talk 155 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.000 about how this would play out. This guy, Jake Lang, 156 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:32.639 he admitted to using a bat to attack police. He 157 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.200 was on trial for assault when Trump pardoned him. He's 158 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:38.039 now a white power activist who's on video saying the 159 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:41.440 N word and giving Nazi salutes. When NPR called to 160 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:45.600 confirm that he plans to apply for a payout, which 161 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:49.240 he did, he confirmed it. He answered the phone Jake 162 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:54.399 Lang's office America's newest billionaire, and he said that the message. 163 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:56.600 He told NPR that the message Trump was sending what 164 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:58.759 the fund is. And this is a quote from the 165 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:03.480 insurrectionist who beat police officers with a bat. Quote. If 166 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:05.120 you do the right thing in the face of evil, 167 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:10.240 you will be rewarded for your bravery and patriotism. That's 168 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:14.799 what's happening there. That's what's happening. Another January sixth rider, 169 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:17.480 Andrew Paul Johnson is currently serving a life sentence in 170 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:21.799 prison for sexually abusing two children who he tried to 171 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:26.360 keep quiet by promising them quote my Trump bucks that 172 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:29.799 he expected to get as part of a restitution fund. 173 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:34.919 And then that exchange we watch between Van Holland and Blanche. 174 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:39.240 Van Hollend was asking about that case and asking Blanche 175 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:43.039 to rule out that that fucking guy could apply for 176 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.159 a payout from this slush fund. And you heard Blanche 177 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:47.480 like he just he won't rule it out. 178 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:49.799 I mean, it's pretty clear what happened here is Trump 179 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:53.360 wanted his money. I think someone was able to convince 180 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:56.600 him that him directly taking the money was probably a 181 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:59.639 bridge too far politically, and plus he's made so many 182 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:01.840 other billions from so many other crooked schemes that he 183 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:03.840 could take a pass on this one. But he obviously 184 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:06.720 wasn't going to let it go. And they were facing 185 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:09.440 this deadline because if they didn't, because there's a quartered 186 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:12.120 post deadline. So right the day before the court post deadline, 187 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:14.840 they hatched together a poorly thought out plan that they 188 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:19.000 thought would appeal to Trump, right, it's not as bad 189 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:21.360 as Trump getting the money, although that is actually debatable, 190 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:25.559 but would you know, it would still fit with his 191 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.919 need for revenge, and it's print's like perfect Trump like 192 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:30.720 these people, these are my people. I'm gonna help my people. 193 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:33.600 I'm going to hook up my people. And they didn't 194 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:36.000 think through any of the consequences. They just assumed every 195 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:39.159 public would be for it. And they, as you said, 196 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:41.840 they stepped on a rake, like an very obvious, very clear, 197 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:44.440 very politically damaging rake. But they did it because they're 198 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:45.240 kind of morons. 199 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:50.879 And there's no oversight, no accountability over this fund whatsoever. 200 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:55.440 We may never know who they pay, how much they 201 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.720 pay them, who applies, who gets who gets accepted into 202 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:01.639 this fucking slush fund, who gets denied, none of that 203 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:04.879 because Trump picks the people on the board, except for 204 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:07.440 one gets appointed by Congress, who you know, he can 205 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:09.559 find a lackey in Congress to give him whoever he wants. 206 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:12.480 Trump can fire them at any time. The report is 207 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:15.600 not required to be released to the public in any way, 208 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:18.600 shape or form. So the whole thing is just a 209 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:23.000 fucking scam. And it seems like it's I mean I 210 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:27.360 guess two January sixth police officers file the lawsuit to 211 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:30.080 try to stop this, But there are are going to 212 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:33.159 be I guess that's the best case they can make 213 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.360 for standing right because they were police officers harmed in this. 214 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:38.480 But the challenge is to have like who has standing 215 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:41.360 to sue on this and the fact that it is 216 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:44.879 a It is legal because Congress passed a law to 217 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:50.639 give the Justice Department basically an unlimited fund for restitution 218 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:54.720 in the event that people sue the US government, and 219 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:56.679 then the Justice Department would have to pay it out, 220 00:11:56.919 --> 00:11:59.039 which is like, yeah, of course, right, if someone sues 221 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:01.440 the federal government and they and they win, the federal 222 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:03.159 government has to get the money from somewhere to pay 223 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:07.399 them out. But I don't think anyone envisioned that the 224 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:09.039 fund would be used in this way. 225 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:12.039 Nope, just driving a corrupt truck through another giant loophole 226 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:12.639 in our system. 227 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:15.720 Here's a statement on the on the fund. So the 228 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:18.480 nation's top law enforcement official is asking for a slush 229 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.480 fund to pay people who assault cops. Utterly stupid, morally wrong. 230 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:24.440 Take your pick. Guess who that came from. 231 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:27.360 Dan, I think I know the answer, So I'm supposed 232 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:29.399 to pretend like, I don't know that was that a 233 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:33.559 resistance Democrat? Was that someone on MS? Now? Was that? 234 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:34.480 Was? That? 235 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.000 Was that? On Wednesday's episode of Only Friends with You 236 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:41.600 and Tommy, it was subscribe now, Mitch McConnell. 237 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:46.639 Mitch McConnell, Well, Mitch, the reason we're in this place, 238 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:49.879 by the way, is because of you. Nope, you would 239 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:52.679 just just had the courage that could have could have 240 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:55.840 been said, could have convicted him after January's sixth, and 241 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:57.600 then none of these riders would be getting any money. 242 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:00.399 How likely do you think it is that Congress will 243 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:03.759 impose some kind of restrictions on the slush fund? Legislation 244 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:07.960 was introduced today Thursday to ban the entire slush fund, 245 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:12.080 not restrictions, just ban it was That was by introduced 246 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:16.000 by Democrat Tom Swazi in the House and Republican Brian Fitzpatrick, 247 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:19.559 who's in a swing district in Pennsylvania and who Trump 248 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:24.039 just threatened yesterday with a primary challenge in response to 249 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:28.039 a question he didn't like from Fitzpatrick's fiance. Fox News 250 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:29.320 reporter Jackie Heiner. 251 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:32.639 Well, it's really clever of Trump to threaten a primary 252 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:39.360 challenge on Wednesday when the primary was Tuesday, which is 253 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:43.320 also notable that all of a sudden, Brian Fitzpatrick has 254 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:45.360 found his courage the day after his primary. 255 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:48.639 Yeah do you think, I mean, I know that we 256 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:51.320 were like not scheduled talking about this. But on that note, 257 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:55.840 like I do wonder if a lot like we're suddenly 258 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:59.159 going to see an outbreak of courage among Republicans now 259 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:00.960 that most of the primaries have passed. 260 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:04.120 It's gonna be an interesting political calculus. Like someone like Fitzpatrick, 261 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:06.480 who is in he might be the most vulnerable Republican 262 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:07.679 in the country, or. 263 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:09.159 Definitely he is. 264 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:13.559 He he is up there. We got some people who 265 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.440 have been redistricted out of existence, but of the people 266 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:19.679 who remain in their previous district, he's quite vulnerable. And 267 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:23.759 but there is this challenge for Republicans which is, on 268 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:28.279 one hand, Trump attacking you would seem favorable, like just 269 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:31.000 hit if I was Fitzpatrick, I would think in that district, 270 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:34.200 I think about taking the the footage of Trump saying 271 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:35.759 that against all the time to put it in an 272 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:40.919 ad most But the challenge is they also need Republican turnout, 273 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:44.000 and if Trump is trashing you, are that people going 274 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:46.039 to turn out for you, and that's the that's the 275 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:46.600 real question. 276 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:48.200 Yeah, that is a good point. Well, so then what 277 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:51.159 do you think about getting restrictions on this slush fund, 278 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:55.960 because it does seem like they're going for restrictions in 279 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:59.120 this ice funding bill, which is reconciliation, which means that 280 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:02.480 you would only need, you know, fifty one votes in 281 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:02.960 the Senate. 282 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:06.200 There's two things happening here. One is, as we mentioned, 283 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:09.799 the Republicans recognize this is terrible politics and they don't 284 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:11.559 want to vote for it, and they know how bad 285 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:13.120 it is. They feel the same way about the ballroom, 286 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:14.879 which were talking about a second. The other thing that's 287 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:17.919 happening in the Senate is these people are just pissed 288 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:21.919 a Trump like he took out Tom Tillis, and you know, 289 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:24.679 Tom Tillis retired rather than face a primary challenge. But 290 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:27.879 Roy Cooper is much more likely the next Senator of 291 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:32.919 North Carolina because he's running against a anonymous RNC chair 292 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:38.919 that Trump installed as the nominee. They took out Bill Cassidy. 293 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:41.600 He just endorsed, as we'll talk about, just endorsed against 294 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:45.039 John Cornan, the number two person in the Senate for Republicans, 295 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:47.120 and so he's basically taking out other people. And so 296 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:49.759 they're both pissed, like on this personal level that he 297 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:51.799 keeps taking out their friends, but they're also he's making 298 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.039 in almost all these cases, he's making it less likely 299 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:56.559 they keep the majority. And so I think they're starting 300 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:59.200 to get restive here and are looking for some place 301 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:02.679 to show that they have some measure of spine. Now, 302 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:04.720 are the restrictions that are going to put in be 303 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:07.320 going to likely be pretty weak? 304 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:08.240 Yeah? 305 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:11.440 Yeah, I think that's that's the case. But I would 306 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:14.360 be surprised. I would be surprised. And no one's ever 307 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:16.600 made a lot of money betting on correstionional Republicans to 308 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:19.039 do something brave, But I would be surprised if this 309 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:23.279 bill passed without some measure of something that at least 310 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:25.960 is a putative fig leave of restriction on the slush fund. 311 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:27.679 The challenge here is I don't think they get any 312 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:31.159 They're not going to get any Democratic votes for it, right, 313 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:33.440 even though even though Democrats would want to ban this 314 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:36.440 if it goes in the ice funding bill, the restrictions, 315 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:37.960 Democrats aren't going to vote for the Ice. 316 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:41.000 Well, you'll get it on the amendment in the in 317 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:42.480 the voterama to put. 318 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:44.360 Oh, so Democrats can get it in there and then 319 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:46.720 not vote again. 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On Saturday, the Senate parliamentarian 388 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:47.880 ruled that the money couldn't be included in the ICE 389 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:51.039 funding bill because it doesn't comply with the Senate's budget rules. 390 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:57.319 Trump then demanded that Republicans fire the parliamentarian, but Republicans 391 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:00.920 decided to remove the funding instead of the parliamentarian, admitting 392 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:03.359 that they didn't have the votes anyway, probably because enough 393 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:05.480 of them realized that asking taxpayers to fork over a 394 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:08.039 billion dollars for a ballroom no one asked for is 395 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:11.680 fucking crazy. Trump meanwhile took reporters on a tour of 396 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:14.240 the construction site this week, which is, you know, that's 397 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:17.880 his passion, and he defended the project as a military necessity, 398 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:21.119 and he said that the roof would be a drone 399 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:25.359 port that protects all of Washington. Does he think it's 400 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:27.920 is there like an iron dome? Over the White House 401 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.599 now in Washington because of the because the that's what 402 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:31.319 the ballroom is. 403 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:34.960 He also announced how many stories deep the bunker would be, 404 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:36.759 which is probably not a piece of information you just 405 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:38.240 want to hand out to the public. 406 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:43.960 No, No, is the ballroom in jeopardy, like does Trump? 407 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:46.400 Trump then said he doesn't need the money. It seems 408 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:48.680 like he wanted the money pretty badly, which is why 409 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:50.880 he told them to fire the parliamentarian and is getting 410 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:53.119 really pissed about this. Is he going to find a 411 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:56.400 way to just steal the money from taxpayers like he's 412 00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:00.319 been doing now with this slush fund for insurrectionists, or 413 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:03.200 maybe he just extorts more rich people with business before 414 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:05.160 the government to just give donations. 415 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:09.119 Yeah, it's hard to say. I once again, it seems 416 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:12.000 that no one in Congress wants to vote for a 417 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:16.039 billion dollars for a ballroom, and they're going to truse 418 00:21:16.039 --> 00:21:17.119 Trump is trying to do the way I try to 419 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:18.240 do it. Well, it's not really for the bar with 420 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:20.640 the ballroom's paid for by all the rich people who 421 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:24.839 were buying access in terms in exchange for the ballroom, 422 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:29.279 but it's the security, the necessary security underneath the ballroom 423 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:31.880 that is the cost a billion dollars. It's too late 424 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:33.640 for that. It's the one billion dollar ball room. That's 425 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:38.839 so everyone understands. It an actual impressive democratic messaging victory 426 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:40.880 in this day and age. So we should applaud that. 427 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:45.559 Maybe Elon Musk, fresh off the SpaceX IPO, comes in 428 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:47.559 and gives a billion dollars to build the rest of it. 429 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:49.400 But I don't know how they're going to get it. 430 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:50.839 Doesn't seem like they're going to be able to get 431 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:53.000 money out of Congress for this this year. No one 432 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:55.400 wants to do this this close to the election. Maybe 433 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:57.079 they can throw something into an end of the year 434 00:21:57.079 --> 00:21:59.039 deal after the election. I don't know, but. 435 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.440 It seems hard and I don't think that. I think 436 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:05.240 that the reason they asked for ask Congress for the 437 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:07.440 money in the first place is they can't necessarily they 438 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:12.200 can't use private donations to fund like services and security. 439 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:14.680 But then that's as and southing. Before we did, I 440 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:17.039 was gonna say, I mean, who do we let do 441 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:18.839 we let Michael Dell pay our troops? Once? 442 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:22.759 Did you see the news that he also said he 443 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:25.759 doesn't need congressional approval to build his two hundred and 444 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:27.799 fifty foot uh arc. 445 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:29.200 I have to say I've tried. 446 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:31.920 Really we're calling it an arch or an arc arch. 447 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:34.440 I think it's an arch arch and it's an art 448 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:39.640 like the Arctic. Yeah, sorry, yes it is. We got arches, 449 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:44.160 we got ballrooms, we got Katari jets, we got I 450 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:46.079 don't know, I've lost track, we got can't we got 451 00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:47.240 new Kennedy Centers. 452 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:49.400 We have new marble arm rest of the Kennedy Center 453 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:52.440 right energy on that new helipad. 454 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:54.720 We got a new helipad coming, the Drone Port. 455 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:58.319 I've tried really hard to not focus on the arch 456 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:03.119 as you call it. On the arch just seems I mean, 457 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:07.839 it seems crazy. I don't know it. I finally today, 458 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:09.720 because we're doing this on the podcast, I finally looked 459 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:12.359 at where the arch was going to be is in Virginia, 460 00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:14.519 right across the river. 461 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.240 But it also, like the New York Times did a 462 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:20.799 good like sort of AI rendering of of what the 463 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:22.759 views would be like, and it kind of just like 464 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:26.400 it blocks the view of the Lincoln Memorial and Arlington Cemetery. 465 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:28.960 It's like bigger than anything else in Washington. 466 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:30.000 Yeah, it's stupid. 467 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:32.039 I mean, yeah, if I was a it was a 468 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:33.839 DC resident, I'd be fucking annoyed. 469 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:36.000 But well, like no one's asking for it. 470 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:40.160 I don't forget we forgot the reflect Yeah we are also. 471 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:42.559 Yeah, we are repainting the reflecting pool once again at 472 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:44.799 taxpayer dollars. I believe it's. 473 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:47.359 Just it declining empire ship. 474 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:52.920 It just he is obsessed with home renovation projects like 475 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:55.480 this is like that is his true passion. He cannot 476 00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:59.599 be bothered with a He like stealing money, revenge an 477 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:00.559 interior designed. 478 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:06.079 It's like the most cartoonish version of corruption by like 479 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:09.960 an aging dictator. He's just stealing money cats, you know, 480 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:14.240 smash and grab anywhere he can. He's just putting gold everywhere, 481 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:19.000 ensconced in his fucking DC home that he's turning into 482 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:22.599 fucking Versailles on the Potomac, you know, pardoning all of 483 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.000 his friends, punishing all of his enemies, doing nothing else, 484 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:28.039 decomposing before our eyes. 485 00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:28.960 It's just like. 486 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:35.039 It's fucking great. It's fucking bleak man. One more vote. 487 00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:38.200 Trump's having trouble with in part because he ended the 488 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:41.799 careers of Republicans whose support he needs a measure that 489 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:44.079 would force him to end the war in Iran. On Tuesday, 490 00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:46.759 the Senate finally voted to take up the War Powers resolution, 491 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:50.519 with newly defeated Senator Bill Cassidy flipping to vote in favor. 492 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:53.759 The resolution now moves to the House, where retiring main 493 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.000 Democrat Jared Golden says he now plans to flip his 494 00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:58.640 vote in favor as well. And all this comes as 495 00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:02.000 Iran is reviewing the latest US peace proposal, which Trump 496 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:03.920 says he'll give them a few days to do. He 497 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:06.279 also said that the US and Iran are quote right 498 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:09.839 on the borderline between war and peace, and that he's 499 00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:12.759 quote in no hurry to make a deal. Is the 500 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:17.119 price of gas inches towards five dollars a gallon? What 501 00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:19.119 do you make of the latest developments in Iran and 502 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:22.839 the and the shift of Republicans now being in favor 503 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:24.359 of the War Powers resolution? 504 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:29.119 Just the cycle. It's every week we wake up on Monday, 505 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:32.599 there is a either a true social or an axios 506 00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:35.119 post with multiple sirens that tells us that we're on 507 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.680 the verge of a deal. We are right there. They're 508 00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:44.119 circling around it. That reality lasts like five hours. Then 509 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:46.079 we are on the verge of war. Trump is right, 510 00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:47.559 We really are on the verge of both. Then we 511 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:50.079 are making more plans, we're threatening to bomb people, we're 512 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:53.680 ending civilizations. And then at the moment right before the 513 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:57.240 bombing is set to begin, things get tacoed and we 514 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:00.400 are back to stalemate. And it's just We've been rinse 515 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:03.119 and repeat of the cycle for weeks now. 516 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:05.559 I will say that each with each and each new 517 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:09.519 draft of the peace proposal looks less like peace and 518 00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:12.640 more like a meaningless extension of a ceasefire. 519 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:15.079 Yeah, well this, yeah, the latest one is. 520 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:17.000 The latest one is just like this will be like 521 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:21.559 a memo that gives thirty days for peace negotiations, but 522 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:24.559 like nothing happens within those, like the strait doesn't open 523 00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:27.720 in those thirty days. It's basically just where we are 524 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:31.200 right now, but a more formal ceasefire for another thirty days. 525 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:33.000 Well, what have they been doing for the last thirty days? 526 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:34.119 I know what's different. 527 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:38.920 I don't even understand what the point of the memo is. Theoretically, 528 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:41.000 people are talking somewhere, right, People. 529 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:43.359 Are talking somewhere. People are talking somewhere well, and it 530 00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:46.119 seems like the Iranians, of course, have every incentive to 531 00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:48.359 continue to kick the ball down the road without having 532 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:49.920 to give anything up because they don't want to get 533 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:55.119 bombed again. Because Trump keeps Echine closer to resuming just hostilities, 534 00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:59.359 and BB is reportedly pushing him towards that as well. 535 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:02.960 Apparently there's a tense call between Trump and net and 536 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.599 Yahoo where Trump was like, give piece a chance and 537 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:10.039 uh and net Yah, who obviously was like, no, let's 538 00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:13.319 bomb the shit out of them, and so yeah, like, 539 00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:15.559 would I be would I be shocked if this time 540 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.319 we actually get some kind of a deal this weekend? No, 541 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:20.079 but I would be shocked if it was actually a 542 00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:22.319 meaningful peace deal that ended the hostilities. 543 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:25.759 And actually, what do you think is more likely this 544 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:30.000 weekend we take a step towards peace? And I'm not 545 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:31.839 a bit not peace, but even like some like a 546 00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:34.599 memo days or something, or are we invade Cuba? 547 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:35.920 Oh? 548 00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:37.359 I think cub was highly more likely. 549 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:40.079 Oh, I think peace. I think I mean, can I 550 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.960 just say the memo? Yeah, I say memo, I say 551 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:43.799 memo over Cuba. 552 00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:47.680 But when we're doing rapid response three hours after this 553 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:50.519 uh REP response in the middle of its wedding about 554 00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:51.119 the Cuban. 555 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.359 Invasion, yeah, they I will not be doing rapid response. 556 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:55.400 The tom Tommy has to do. He's got to speak 557 00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:55.559 to that. 558 00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:57.119 Yeah, well, well, you know what, we'll be at the bar. 559 00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:02.880 We can wave to mommy or we have all right, 560 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:05.920 one other rake Trump stepped on this week that we 561 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:07.720 got to talk about. You mentioned this. The President has 562 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.519 endorsed scandal plagued Ken Paxton over John Cornyn in the 563 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.839 Texas Senate primary runoff, much to the delight of Democrats 564 00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.839 in dismay of Senate Republicans. Trump called Cornyn quote a 565 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.559 good man, but said that he wasn't there for him 566 00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:24.240 when he needed him when times were tough, and then 567 00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:27.920 he dubbed Paxton a true MAGA warrior who would presumably 568 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.880 vote for all the ballroom funding and insurrection A payouts 569 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:31.400 that Trump. 570 00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:33.000 Asked for in the Save Act. 571 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:35.680 That's the big one, Save Act, right, we remember the 572 00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:37.519 Save Act we talked about forever and then that's just 573 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:40.799 that's dead. Yeah, I guess to Ken Paxton would revive 574 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:44.400 it in the next Congress runoff is Tuesday. What do 575 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:45.480 you make of Trump's decision? 576 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:52.960 What insane? A truly insane decision. It's in the immediate aftermath. 577 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:54.599 Let's just go back in time. A couple of months 578 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:58.160 to the Texas primary, which honestly feels like ten years ago, 579 00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:03.279 but Cornyn did better than anyone expected. The assumption was 580 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:04.960 that Trump said he was going to make an endorsement. 581 00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:08.079 Everyone assumed he was endorsed Cornyn Paxton was going to have. 582 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:10.240 If Trump had done that, Paxton would have probably had 583 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.839 to drop out, his campaign would have dried up, and 584 00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:16.839 Cornyn would be the nominee. Instead, he invaded iron instead 585 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:19.519 of focusing on this, dithered for a long time. Could 586 00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.960 have just stayed silent and then endorsed Ken Paxton with 587 00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:27.119 a week to goo, almost ensuring that Ken Paxton will 588 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:31.240 be the nominee. Ken Paxton is by every measure less 589 00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:33.640 electable than John Cornyn. We've seen this in the polling. 590 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.279 There is a slice of Republicans who will vote for 591 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.319 Cornyn over Tall Rico, but will vote for Tall Rico 592 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:45.359 over Paxton. And just like he is so like this 593 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:47.880 is the example, he's so focused on vengeance that he 594 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:51.640 decided to go after John Cornyn were already we already 595 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:55.880 just talked about the the consequences in the Senate, and 596 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.640 just even more practically like this day, I think there 597 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.200 were I think the Cook Political Report moved this to 598 00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:05.920 lean Republican. They said they will if they will, they 599 00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:10.759 will if if if Paxton is the nominee. But so 600 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.119 they probably still have advantages here. But the n RSC 601 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.559 all the superbacks are gonna have to spend ungodly amounts 602 00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:20.960 of money in this race to try to just win 603 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:22.759 a state they should see they should have already won 604 00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:25.759 all because Trump just could not help himself. 605 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.759 Could you make a political argument? And I realized it 606 00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:31.559 wouldn't be a good one. It's not one that I favor. 607 00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:36.759 That it's possible John Cornyan would be a weaker candidate 608 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:40.920 to Ken Paxxon because like the Trump, like the hardcore 609 00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:43.160 MAGA base would be pissed and maybe stay home if 610 00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:46.240 Cornyan was the nominee, And so you would sort of 611 00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:48.599 and you need turnout in a midterm Like is that 612 00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:49.279 is that a thing? 613 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:51.799 Maybe we would have made that argument of Cornyon. We 614 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:53.799 may make that argument corn wins the primary on Tuesday, 615 00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:57.559 so stay tuned, tune in next week next week's Buller Coaster. 616 00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.920 I think that argument is hard to support. 617 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.319 I mean, look, if you all the polling shows that 618 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:13.680 Tallarico does better against Paxton than Cornyn, but only by 619 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.240 a point or two in some of this polling, which 620 00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.480 in Texas could be everything, of course probably would be. 621 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:20.519 Ever he's not winning by more than a pointer or two. 622 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.440 FYI, right, right, right, But I thought that the delta 623 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:26.400 between the two in the polling would be bigger than 624 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:28.400 it has been now there haven't been that many polls, 625 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:28.720 but you. 626 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:31.759 Know, and then there's also in these polls there's you know, 627 00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:34.400 like ten to twelve percent undecided, and we have to 628 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:36.039 look and see who makes up that undecided, but then 629 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:40.400 decide if you are in Texas. I just I think 630 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:43.200 that it's just it's like, let's not over complicate this. 631 00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:47.279 Ken Paxton is a man who is an absolute crucus 632 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.799 serial adult are a fucking lunatic, and he's terrible at 633 00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:51.400 raising money. 634 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.960 His own staff called the FBI on him, his own 635 00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:56.319 That to me is my that's my favorite things. Like 636 00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:58.359 how many people have their own staff called the FBI 637 00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:00.640 on him? No one here? 638 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.279 Right, nice checking. 639 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:05.880 Left. 640 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:08.839 But Packson is such a perfect foil for tell Rico, 641 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:14.319 this nice, thoughtful guy who can talks about his religions, 642 00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.200 faithful like you just they're the exact opposite of each 643 00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:19.319 other and that is that it really helps Telarco in 644 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.680 a way. That is, it's not just Republican Democrats like 645 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.400 a good person a bad person, and that that is 646 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:25.680 going to help Telarco. There's we can bring. We can 647 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:28.599 pretend like Cornyon because he sucks as a politician and 648 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:30.720 isn't very good on the stump and it's kind. 649 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:30.759 Of a. 650 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:33.759 He puts on a cowboy hat every year for an 651 00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:36.200 ad and he looks fucking ridiculous in it. It looks 652 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:41.480 like it's basically photoshopped on his head. But Paxton running 653 00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:43.519 Paxson is way better for tele Rico than Cornyan. 654 00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:45.160 Yeah, I mean, I get you make the argument that 655 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:50.240 Cornyan basically is generic Republican in a ballot and Paxton 656 00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:54.599 is less, is more vulnerable than a generic Republican because 657 00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:58.200 he again is committed bribery and corruption. 658 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.599 And think about how close Betto came to beating. 659 00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.039 Yeah, this is what Ty and I talked about this 660 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:05.799 on Only Friends, which I was like, there's there's like 661 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.839 three factors here, right, It's three questions for does does 662 00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:13.240 Tallerrico win? Do you think the overall national environment is 663 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.559 bluer than it was in twenty eighteen? Do you think 664 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.079 taller Rico is a better candidate than Beto? And then 665 00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:21.640 do you think Paxton is a worse candidate than Ted Cruz. 666 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.240 I think on all three measures, this is better for 667 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:26.279 Tealraco than it was for Betto and be okay, within 668 00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:27.559 three points. 669 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:28.519 Yeah, I think that's probably right. 670 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:30.839 Well, now those last three points, that is a long. 671 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:33.559 Five mile I also said that that's where I came down. 672 00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:35.640 I'm like, and he could do better than Beto and 673 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:39.839 still lose, like just a little. But you know, I 674 00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:41.519 think he's a I think he's a special candidate. I 675 00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:43.160 have for a long time. I know you do too, 676 00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.519 And like I think, you know everyone should. 677 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.319 If anyone can do it is James Talerico right now 678 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:49.799 in this environment against Can Paxton. 679 00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:57.799 Yeah. 680 00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:00.440 This episode is brought to you by the Obama found Foundation. 681 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.920 Democracy doesn't defend itself, and these people willing to fight 682 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:06.480 for it. That's why the Obama Foundation is committed to 683 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.840 training the next generation of leaders, building communities, and strengthening 684 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:13.480 our democracy. 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Join the Movement for change. 693 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.599 Donate to the Obama Foundation at Obama dot org, slash pod. 694 00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:43.840 All right, Dan, some breaking news this morning on the 695 00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:48.079 twenty twenty four DNC autopsy, Ken Martin finally agreed to 696 00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:50.639 release the full text of the report, which CNN published 697 00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:53.519 after the uproar that followed his interview with US a 698 00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:57.519 few weeks ago. This is from Martin's statement, quote, I 699 00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:01.320 didn't want to create a distraction, but by not putting 700 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:04.239 the report out, I ended up creating an even bigger distraction. 701 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:08.199 For that, I sincerely apologize. He also said, quote, it 702 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:10.880 does not meet my standards and it won't meet your standards. 703 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:12.599 But I am doing this because people need to be 704 00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:17.400 able to trust the Democratic Party and trust our word. Well. 705 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.679 I agree with him there. The one hundred and ninety 706 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:24.840 two page report is riddled with inaccuracies, at times incoherent, 707 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:31.280 ultimately incomplete. The section headlined conclusion comes with an annotation 708 00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:34.960 that says this section was not provided by the author. 709 00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.519 Still is all you need to know. There's also no 710 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:45.039 mention of Biden's decision to run again his age Gaza inflation. Dan, 711 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.480 you have some thoughts you'd like to share. I feel 712 00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:48.480 like I've said plenty on this. 713 00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:53.960 You'll have more to say. I hope this is so 714 00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:58.159 fittingly stupid. It was like, this is what we suspected 715 00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:02.880 all along, which is Ken Martin hired the wrong person 716 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:05.280 to do the report. The wrong person did a terrible job. 717 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.440 Instead of starting the report over or saying that Ken 718 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:12.880 Martin just started lying, couldn't stop lying, and just got 719 00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.960 himself into this incredible hole. And then he doesn't get 720 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:21.119 points or transparency here because that CNN got some parts 721 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.719 they were able to get from some sources parts of 722 00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.000 the report. And once the CNN had that, then the 723 00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.320 DNC made the decision, which was the right decision, to 724 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:35.400 release the rest of it. Like it's so it's it 725 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:39.719 could not have been handled more poorly, just every part 726 00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:42.119 of it. So I'm going to go through a couple 727 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:47.320 of things here. One, this is just a management disaster. 728 00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:49.280 This was supposed to be a huge priority for Ken Martin. 729 00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:54.159 He hired someone to work for free who no one 730 00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:56.360 in the Democratic Party would have picked for this role. 731 00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:58.960 There was no actual process set up. There was clearly 732 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.840 no monitoring of the process or oversight or anyone working 733 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.000 on or tracking what was happening. Because when he got 734 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:05.960 he was shocked when he got the report, Well, why 735 00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.360 weren't you getting in? Where weren't their calls every week? 736 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:10.679 Why wasn't someone on your staff in charge of doing this? 737 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:13.199 Why wasn't there a committee of people. I can think 738 00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.519 of dozens upon dozens of very very qualified, very very 739 00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:20.920 smart Democrats who would have volunteered to be part of 740 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:22.960 this process to do it right. And I know this 741 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:25.719 because there have been a bunch of other autopsies that 742 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:28.360 have come out where they've gotten really really smart people 743 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:29.559 to do it and completed the work. 744 00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:34.920 Someone that we know reached out to me and said, 745 00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.360 we wrote a seven hundred page post mortem on the 746 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:41.880 twenty twelve campaign, the Obama campaign, and it was done 747 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.760 in January. Becaise she was in November. 748 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:50.239 And so like that, just the just absolute management disaster. 749 00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.679 The second piece is the line like it's the biggest thing, 750 00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:57.559 the lining is so crazy. And I go back to 751 00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.679 the interview with you, which is we talked you talked 752 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:01.960 about this when we did the interview, we talke about 753 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.239 since I just want everyone to fully understand, we did 754 00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:07.239 not seek out Ken Martin for the purpose of talking 755 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:09.280 to about the autopsy. We had no interest in talking 756 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:14.320 to Ken Martin about the autopsy. He complained to you 757 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.119 about tweets sent by someone who's not you. 758 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:20.840 Nop. Yep, Ben Road's tweet. Ben Road's tweet kicked it off. 759 00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:24.800 And then he came up to you at the Grinder party. Yep, 760 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:28.639 sure did and expressed his di met. You can talk 761 00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.119 about how he expressed it. And so the response was 762 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:33.239 that he would come on the podcast and discuss it. 763 00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:35.960 He like sought out the opportunity to do it, to 764 00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:40.280 continue to push the lie because the argument that they 765 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:43.039 were making. Ken Martin had two points in this about 766 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:47.679 the autopsy. It's done, it was helpful, it has informed 767 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:49.719 our playbook. He said the word playbook ten thousand times. 768 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:53.639 I'd interview, and we can't release it because it would 769 00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:57.679 be a distraction and divide the party before the election. 770 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:01.159 The last part is, yes, it would be a distraction, 771 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:03.239 but the main reason that's released. It is embarrassing to 772 00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:07.719 Ken Martin or not to come come clean with why 773 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:09.880 you didn't you you weren't releasing this because it would 774 00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:11.440 be embrassing to Ken Martin, not because it'd be bad 775 00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:11.960 for the party. 776 00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:17.519 Yeah, yeah, it's and it is. If it was just 777 00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:21.719 the autopsy and this was like just one incident here, 778 00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:25.079 that would be one thing. But the fact that it 779 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:28.679 goes to trust issues and credibility, and as Ken says 780 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.519 in his statement, we need to be able to trust 781 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:32.440 the Democratic Party and people need to be able to 782 00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:36.840 trust us. Again, it is indicative of a larger issue 783 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:41.840 that he has had since taking this role as chairman 784 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.440 at the DNC. And it looked no further than the 785 00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:50.880 April fundraising reports that came out the same day today 786 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:56.480 that say, once again, the Democratic National Committee has negative 787 00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:59.880 three million dollars in the bank when you account for 788 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.519 or the debts that they owe, and the Republican National 789 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:04.480 Committee has one hundred and twenty four million dollars in 790 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:08.320 the bank. And then when you look at the fundraising 791 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:13.760 of the RNC versus the DNC, the RNC has raised many, many, many, 792 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:17.280 many many more times the amount of money as the DNC. 793 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.119 But when you look at the fundraising between the d 794 00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:25.639 Triple C and the Republican Congressional Campaign Committee, when you 795 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:29.800 the two House committees, you know the Republicans have outraised 796 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:33.039 Democrats by little, but not as much as RNC versus DNC. 797 00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:36.320 Same thing with the Senate committees. So it's not a 798 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:41.079 Democratic party wide problem fundraising problem. It's a DNC problem. 799 00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:43.559 And d in one of the reasons why the DNC 800 00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:46.719 is not able to raise money, and Ken Martin has 801 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:48.840 disputed this, but many, many the owners have said otherwise 802 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:53.119 is the autopsy, because the autopsy has bred just frustration 803 00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:55.800 the DNC didn't do it. Questions of trust about Ken Martin. 804 00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.480 What are we giving our money for for night getting it? 805 00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:59.599 And this is I mean bury the lead here. But 806 00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:01.840 this is why I think Ken Martin should step down. 807 00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:04.559 I think this is a bridge too far. He cannot 808 00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.840 repair the trust here. He's not Everything we've seen here 809 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:09.920 is he's not the right person for the job. I'm 810 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:11.679 sorry that seems like a harsh thing to say, but 811 00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:15.800 it is clear Will there's he is an impossible job 812 00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:20.280 being even under we have worked with many many DNC chairs, 813 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.880 even under the best circumstances. The job sucks, ass. It 814 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.960 is really really hard. No one has ever seen a 815 00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:29.079 successful dnch chair if people are hammered for it. But 816 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:31.880 the thing is is that Ken Martin is now the 817 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:33.880 distraction that he did not he was trying to avoid. 818 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.679 And because you're the distraction, then you should go like 819 00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:40.280 he said it, Like he says in his post, my 820 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:42.920 job is winning elections. Well, the best thing for the 821 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.000 d for the Democrats who win elections is to have 822 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.519 a fresh start at the DNC, both now and in 823 00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.599 twenty twenty eight, where the trusted issue matters so much more. 824 00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:53.840 Because the DNC is going to run the presidential primary. 825 00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:56.960 They're gonna pick, they're gonna set up the debates, they're 826 00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:58.960 going to pick the calendar, which is a huge thing. 827 00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:01.559 They are going to to make decision about how delegates 828 00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:03.360 are alligated. They're going to deal with states to try 829 00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:06.480 to jump the calendar. All of this matters, and when 830 00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:08.960 people don't trust the DNC, as happened in twenty sixteen, 831 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:11.440 when all of the emails came out as part of 832 00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:16.239 the Russian hacks of DNC emails that show that people 833 00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:19.639 at the DNC were favoring Hillary over Bernie. People didn't 834 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:21.679 trust the DNC. They didn't trust the process. They thought 835 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:23.519 it was ragged, and it hurt. It hurt in the 836 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:26.960 general election. We need people to trust the process. And 837 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:28.320 I say that as a success fan, but we need 838 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:29.280 people to trust the process. 839 00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:33.239 Well. And what he has opened up to now is 840 00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:36.719 any candidate who runs for president in twenty twenty eight 841 00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:41.079 who complains about unfairness to the DNC, whether those accusations 842 00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:45.440 are fair or not accurate or not. Like, no one's 843 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:48.519 going to believe Ken Martin because he has this credibility issue, right, 844 00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:53.000 And same thing with the excuses on the money. Right. 845 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:54.960 He did a whole thing with me in the interview 846 00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.400 about like you know, at we're actually fine and we're 847 00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:59.440 investing in state parties and you need to spend and 848 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.960 all this kind off. But like, I don't know, can 849 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.280 I believe that now? I don't know. He had this 850 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.039 other lie for a long long time and tried to 851 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:09.119 tried to hide it. I had to cover up this report, 852 00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:13.440 so yeah, I guess. After it was released today, there 853 00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:17.599 was a call for DNC members, a private colleges for 854 00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:20.079 the all the all the DNC members and talk to 855 00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.559 some people who are on the call, and he basically 856 00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:28.159 just read the statement that he gave CNN essentially and 857 00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:32.599 apologized again, and then also said that that Paul Rivera, 858 00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.239 who did who he put in charge of this report, 859 00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:38.119 is no longer helping out at the DNC, because part 860 00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:40.239 of the CNN story said that even after he fucked 861 00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:42.800 up the autopsy, Paul Rivera was still walking around the 862 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.239 DNC like demoralizing staffers just by his presence because they 863 00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:48.360 all knew that he had fucked up so badly. So 864 00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:50.480 he said that Paul Vera is no longer working and 865 00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:54.119 then no questions on the call, no questions from many 866 00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:58.000 of the DNC members. After this, I also got something 867 00:43:58.000 --> 00:43:59.880 from someone of the DNC saying that a lot of 868 00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:03.199 the outlets are mistaken and saying that there's no pathway 869 00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.239 to removal for Ken, that it's actually just a simple 870 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:09.079 majority vote of the DNC. So that's interesting. And there's 871 00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:13.079 at least one congressman, Representative Mark Vezi, said that it's 872 00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.000 time for Ken Martin to go. So I don't know, 873 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:17.239 I mean, I tend to think, do you think his 874 00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:20.559 job is safe? Do you think he'll resign? Like it 875 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:23.960 seems it seems like a tall order, But I don't know. 876 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:25.920 I mean, I hope he would be willing to look 877 00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:29.239 at the reality situation and recognize that because of the 878 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.159 mistakes that he made, that the best thing for the 879 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:34.000 party would be two step down. I don't think he's 880 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:35.639 going to do that. We're in this mess because he 881 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:41.360 was trying to protect himself, not the party. So hard 882 00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:44.039 to say. I mean, you know, is the are we 883 00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.159 really going to take the even if it's easy, it's 884 00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:48.880 an extraordinary step to remove the DNCA chairs. They didn't 885 00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:51.159 want to do that five months before the midterms. I'd 886 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:54.239 be surprised. And then I think if he doesn't that 887 00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:58.199 it's a real question before the twenty twenty eight calendar 888 00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:00.000 is set as to whether we have to do something 889 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:00.800 thing different here. 890 00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:01.039 Yeah. 891 00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:02.400 Also, the other problem is no one seems to want 892 00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:02.719 the job. 893 00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:05.440 That's so you need someone else who would want the job. 894 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:08.119 You need someone else who You need the donors to 895 00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:10.119 say that if someone else takes the job, then the 896 00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:13.079 money will start flowing again and they'll start donating, right 897 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:14.800 because you don't want the new You don't want a 898 00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:17.239 new chair to still be stuck at the same problem financially, 899 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:20.159 and it does. You know, people have been complaining this 900 00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:22.559 is a distraction. Distrection like it does at some point 901 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.400 eat up a lot of time and energy, you know, 902 00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:28.840 as we're getting close to the midterms. But the challenges 903 00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:32.480 after the midterms happen. If they are as expected and 904 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:36.440 things go well again, you can just you can hear 905 00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.480 the DNC taking credit for it in advance, and they 906 00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:41.519 will have nothing to do with the victory. Again. If 907 00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:43.280 things don't go well, it's still not the DNC's fault. 908 00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.079 They just don't have that much to do with with 909 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:47.960 midterm elections at all. But as soon as the midterms 910 00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:51.880 are over, we're fucking into the presidential primary and people 911 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:53.880 are gonna start putting their campaigns together and you're gonna 912 00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:55.280 need the calendars and all the stuff that you were 913 00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.320 just talking about. And so I don't know, it's just 914 00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:04.000 it's fucking mess, fucking mess. That's so stupid, And we're 915 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.119 not digging into the actual autopsy because it's a joke. 916 00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:10.159 I'm like, it's not worth talking about anything in it 917 00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:12.880 because it's not endorsed by the DNC or anyone else. 918 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:16.599 Is just like Paul Rivera's ramblings that are the basis 919 00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:19.840 of him talking to just some people involved with the 920 00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:21.880 twenty twenty four campaign who aren't even most of the 921 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:23.039 senior people on the campaign. 922 00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:24.840 Yeah, there's been a lot, I would say, to people 923 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:26.400 who are interested in what happened. There's been a lot 924 00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:29.440 of actual autopsies from outside groups. Way to Win has 925 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:33.280 one Catalyst has their report. We talked about Rob Flaarerty's 926 00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:37.639 Bullwark piece the other day. There's one from uh I 927 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:39.760 think the Shooting Victory Fund, if I'm saying that correctly, 928 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:43.639 has has one. There's actually some pretty good, pretty exhaustive 929 00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:45.559 work about what happened twenty twenty four. That's that people 930 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:47.639 want they should go look at. But looking at this 931 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:50.440 version is not worth doing because you could look for 932 00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:52.199 you could try, I would say, read the executive summary, 933 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:53.320 but that was also not provided. 934 00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:56.519 So right, right, all right, Well you think you'll come 935 00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:58.119 back on the pod? 936 00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:00.920 Maybe maybe open. 937 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:02.960 Maybe you guys will meet up again at next year's grander. 938 00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.880 Party, fingers crossed. Maybe they'll be alcohol this time, all right. 939 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.840 Speaking to democrats being unhappy with Democrats, the New York 940 00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:12.519 Times released new results from their latest poll that we 941 00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:16.760 talked about on Tuesday. This installment is focused on Democrats 942 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:21.360 and independents who say they're planning to support Democratic candidates 943 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.480 in the fall. Overall, more than half of these voters 944 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.480 disapprove of the Democratic Party. More than half also said 945 00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:29.760 the party should move to the center rather than move 946 00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:31.760 to the left, in order to win the twenty twenty 947 00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:35.679 eight presidential election, but when asked that question about specific issues, 948 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:40.760 the results were more varied. On economic issues, thirty six 949 00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:43.840 percent said move to the left, pretty competitive with the 950 00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.199 forty two percent who said moved to the center. And 951 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:49.519 on healthcare, forty five percent of Democratic voters want to 952 00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:51.599 move to the left, compared to just twenty seven percent 953 00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.000 who said move to the center and twenty six percent 954 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.320 who said don't move in either direction. Health Care was 955 00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.920 the issue where the biggest percentage of voters thought the 956 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.760 Democratic parties should move to the left. And then I 957 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.159 would say economy was next. And then when you get 958 00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:11.199 to issues like crime, I think was the top issue 959 00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:13.840 where the most the highest percentage of Democrats said that 960 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:15.800 the party should move to the right or at least 961 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:20.599 moved to the center. Sorry, and then immigration and actually, 962 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.280 you know we can talk about this too, but trans 963 00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:27.079 issues was not as there weren't as many people and 964 00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.159 this would go against sort of the prevailing narrative. But 965 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:31.239 there weren't as many Democrats who wanted the party to 966 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:34.440 move to the center on trans issues as there were 967 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:38.800 on crime and immigration is still the top two. So 968 00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:42.559 what did you make of this novel line of questioning 969 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.480 in the poll which they did ask voters like, how 970 00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:47.639 do you personally feel about the direction of the party 971 00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:49.559 on these issues and what direction do you think the 972 00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.719 party should move in? And then they asked which direction 973 00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:56.079 you think the party should move to win? So they 974 00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:59.239 did both, but the move to win basically asking voters 975 00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:02.039 to be pundits is a is a new one. 976 00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:05.760 Yeah, I generally hate that idea, like it's always it's 977 00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.760 just it's just I'm much rather more, much more interested 978 00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:12.519 in what voters actually think, because you would like to 979 00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:16.800 believe that that's what informs voting behavior. But I will 980 00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:23.159 say that this is a very interesting finding one. It 981 00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:28.039 just proves that among Democrats, the narrative that Democrats lost 982 00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:31.000 because we were too far the left, too woke to 983 00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.760 liberal has taken hold among Democrats that the you know, a 984 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.440 plurality of Democrats believe that, at least on a core 985 00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:40.760 set of issues. And so it's just it's like, that's 986 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:42.800 an interesting to out of point that that has. You know, 987 00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.800 there was this battle after the election. We were we 988 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.480 two moderate or two left, and at least for the 989 00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.239 people responding to this poll, it was clearly the problem 990 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.000 was we were too left, not left enough. And the 991 00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:57.000 other reason why I think this is somewhat informative is 992 00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:01.440 electability is become the pre eminent issue in democratic politics. 993 00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:04.559 You know, it was a huge issue in the Texas 994 00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.800 Senate primary. It was a huge issue in the main 995 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.559 Senate primary before Janet Mills dropped out. It's a giant 996 00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:14.360 issue in the Iowa primary that happened a couple of weeks. 997 00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:17.000 And it's it's a big issue in the Michigan Senate 998 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:21.679 primary that is in August. And so it's interesting to 999 00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:26.119 know what voters think makes someone electable or in this case, 1000 00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:29.840 may make them think someone is less electable. You know, 1001 00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:31.559 looking at the numbers, it. 1002 00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.320 Is did you dive into the cross tabs? 1003 00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:37.719 The cross stabs are not that they're not that surprising. 1004 00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:41.840 I figured you did, but I did too. Yeah, I 1005 00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:44.320 was ready to nerd out about some crosstabs if people. 1006 00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:47.400 Some real nuggets, but it's sort of it's what you is. 1007 00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:50.239 The findings are kind of across the board. What would 1008 00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.400 be interesting would be if there was one group who 1009 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:54.159 really thought they should move to the left, but really 1010 00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.119 just come of across the board people or not move 1011 00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:58.400 to the right or whatever it is, but that everyone 1012 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:02.119 kind of all feels the same way, just in varying degrees. 1013 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:07.079 The college split on these issues is notable to me. Yeah, 1014 00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:11.480 that non college voters tend to want the party to 1015 00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:15.480 move towards the center, and college voters want the party 1016 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:18.119 to move to the left, and then it splits on 1017 00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:22.280 racial and education lines in a very interesting way, which 1018 00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:26.719 is non college black voters and non college Latino voters 1019 00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:29.440 along with non college white voters very much want the 1020 00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:33.000 party to move to the center. And really the only 1021 00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:36.400 demographic group that most wants the party to move to 1022 00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:41.159 the left is white college grads. Also some black and 1023 00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:43.599 Hispanic college grads, but it's just a larger chunk of 1024 00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:45.360 the electorate is white and more with. 1025 00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:47.800 Younger people all sq younger. 1026 00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:52.320 And all these Yeah, and particularly on issues again against 1027 00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:56.159 the prevailing narrative on issues of immigration, and crime. Yep, 1028 00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.360 you see you see that, you see black and you know, 1029 00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:03.199 non college Democratic voters say they want the party to 1030 00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:03.840 move to the center. 1031 00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.400 Oh, yes, yes, I mean that is the I guess 1032 00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:09.360 I thought I felt like we were past that prevailing 1033 00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:11.920 narrative or that even that narrative is kind of but 1034 00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:14.159 I guess, I guess it depends on where you're getting 1035 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:15.199 your news these days. 1036 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.280 Right, yeah, just way till we get to the next primary. 1037 00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:20.119 Yeah, I mean, and it's like, obviously liketability is going 1038 00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:23.719 to hang over the twenty twenty eight primary in a 1039 00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:27.480 massive way, and so this this will inform that. I 1040 00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:30.920 think the healthcare one is very interesting. On economic issues, 1041 00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.119 it's only a six point spread, which I think is 1042 00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:36.800 also notable. And then what I found also interesting is 1043 00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:42.440 that there is they ask people if they asked Democrats 1044 00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:44.960 if they thought the economic system in the country was 1045 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:48.000 generally unfair to most Americans eighty eight percent yes, only 1046 00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:50.639 eleven percent said fair to most Americans, and whether the 1047 00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:55.800 political and economics system needs to be changed in maybe eighties, 1048 00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:58.519 So sixty three percent said major changes, twenty percent said 1049 00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:01.280 torn down completely, in fifteen per sense said minor or 1050 00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:04.199 minor changes. And one percent said no changes. Who that 1051 00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:06.639 person is which Democrat thinks there has no changes, I'll 1052 00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:10.559 be interested in. But I think there is this paradox here, 1053 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:12.880 which is you have people saying we think the party 1054 00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:16.360 should move right on certain issues, but there is an 1055 00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:21.320 appetite and it for big, bold ideas on the economy 1056 00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:25.880 and healthcare and like, people want real change, and so 1057 00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:31.039 nibbling around the edges is not going to be sufficient. 1058 00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:35.039 Both in the Democratic primary and the general people want 1059 00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:37.599 to see that you understand the scale of the problems 1060 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:39.719 affecting their lives, the ways in which the system is 1061 00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:41.760 broken and corrupt, and you have big ideas. So the 1062 00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:45.000 sort of you know, not to pick on Kamala Harris's 1063 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:48.000 economic team, but like this is what not to do. 1064 00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:52.440 Is we're going to offer credits tax credits for home 1065 00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:55.679 for first time home buyers. It's a good policy theoretically, 1066 00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:59.559 but it just seems small compared to what people actually want. 1067 00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:01.559 Build more houses would be a better problem. 1068 00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:02.880 Well, that would be a better That would be a 1069 00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:03.480 better policy. 1070 00:54:03.639 --> 00:54:07.079 You can do both, Yeah, you can do both. But yeah, 1071 00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:08.280 I mean there was a line in here in the 1072 00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:10.000 in the right up of the piece of the poll, 1073 00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:13.679 which was when presented with two opposing economic visions, more 1074 00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:16.760 than two thirds of Democratic supporters now sixty five sixty 1075 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:19.119 six percent said they favored a candidate who would go 1076 00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.559 after corporate monopolies and price gouging. Well, just thirty percent 1077 00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:25.599 preferred candidate who promised to lower prices by easing housing 1078 00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:29.480 regulations and expanding energy production. Now you know some of 1079 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:31.519 this is in wording that that doesn't that doesn't sound 1080 00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:35.039 very exciting to ease housing regulations and expand energy production, 1081 00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:37.679 but just to get people a baseline, because I thought 1082 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:40.119 this was interesting, So they asked, like, where do you 1083 00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:41.960 how do you think about the party? Is it too 1084 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.800 far left, is it too far right? Or is it 1085 00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:47.400 not too far either way? Fifty five percent said not 1086 00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:51.400 too far either way, twenty percent said too left, seventeen 1087 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.199 percent said to right. So right there, you're a candidate 1088 00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:58.239 trying to win the party's nomination. You got like a 1089 00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:01.639 little more than half of the electorate that you're trying 1090 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:05.559 to get who thinks the party is ideologically good where 1091 00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.639 it is right now, and then you've got almost similar 1092 00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:11.679 percentages on either side. So that is a tough thing 1093 00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:15.559 to navigate. I also thought the delta between when they 1094 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:18.280 ask people what would you personally liked where would you 1095 00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:21.239 personally like to see the party move and to win, 1096 00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:22.920 where would you like to see the party move was 1097 00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:27.639 actually not that different. So twenty eight percent said they 1098 00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:30.119 personally like to see the party move to the left, 1099 00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:33.960 and twenty five percent said that to win, the party 1100 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:37.800 should move to the left. And then forty seven percent 1101 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:40.239 said they personally wanted to move to the center, and 1102 00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:43.719 fifty two percent said to win, they want to move 1103 00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:46.199 to the center. So you do have a percentage of 1104 00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:49.079 people who were saying, oh, personally, I want the party 1105 00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:51.480 to be more left, but to win it should move 1106 00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:54.480 to the center. But not a ton It's the delta 1107 00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:55.679 wasn't as big as I thought it would be. 1108 00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.000 Well, it's I mean for the reasons we talked about 1109 00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:01.440 for many years, which is the media and Democrat is 1110 00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:05.159 a as a voter that didn't go to college, and 1111 00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:08.559 it's more moderate than most people listening to this podcast, 1112 00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:12.199 and we are personally and that that's the party that 1113 00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:17.400 nominated Joe Biden in twenty twenty, and that that remains true. 1114 00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.159 I think these questions are a little confusing and how 1115 00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:22.719 they're awarded like, but it is. It is just notable 1116 00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:24.840 that fifty hid percent are generally okay with the direction 1117 00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:27.239 of the party. Is now, how many of those fifty 1118 00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:28.960 percent can name what the direction of the party actually 1119 00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:29.760 fucking is right now? 1120 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:32.239 Well, it's good. I was just gonna say. The other 1121 00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:33.920 thing that stands out in some of the questions that 1122 00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:36.920 they asked is, and we always talk about this, but 1123 00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:39.760 it's a good reminder for everyone, is how like, those 1124 00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:44.400 of you listening to this podcast, you are so different 1125 00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:47.960 than like seventy percent of the rest of the electorate 1126 00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:51.199 in that you pay closer attention to politics and know 1127 00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:54.360 more about what's going on in politics day to day 1128 00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:57.119 than most of the people who will show up and 1129 00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:02.679 vote in elections. So they asked about Schumer and Schumer's 1130 00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:06.840 approval rating in this poll among just Democrats and independence 1131 00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:09.199 that they're going to vote Democrat is twenty six percent 1132 00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:14.920 in favor, thirty one percent opposed. And you're like, well, 1133 00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:17.199 that's kind of low. Thirty five percent never heard of 1134 00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:23.079 Chuck Schumer, Joe Rogan eleven percent approved, forty eight percent disapproved, 1135 00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:26.039 the rest never heard of Joe Rogan, Nick what is it? 1136 00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:28.039 Nine percent approve approved. 1137 00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:30.079 I didn't even see Fuentas in there. Yeah, is in 1138 00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:32.920 the crosstabs they asked, I guess, just for fun, have 1139 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:35.559 you heard maybe Ezra got this question? And have you 1140 00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:39.639 heard of the abundance movement? Ninety one percent of people 1141 00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:42.679 in that they pulled, all of whom again, all these 1142 00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:44.800 people said they're going to vote in the midterms. Ninety 1143 00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:48.679 one percent never heard of the abundance movement. So it's 1144 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:53.199 just it's it's a good a good reminder that people 1145 00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:56.199 who are even in Democratic even in mid terms, right, 1146 00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:59.000 which is a more engaged electorate, even mid term voters, 1147 00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.159 are just not paying as much attention to all the 1148 00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:05.400 shit that we talk about every week. These are registered voters, right, yeah, 1149 00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:07.440 but registered voters who said they're going to vote in 1150 00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:12.760 the midterm. The Israel numbers crazy. Only twenty percent favor 1151 00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:16.760 more aid to Israel, seventy four percent do not, fifteen 1152 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:23.000 percent sympathize with Israel over the Palestinians, and sixty percent 1153 00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:29.239 Palestinians over Israeli's The highest group of support for Israel 1154 00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:33.039 of any demographic is sixty five plus. Unsurprising, there even 1155 00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:35.760 that group sixty five plus only twenty seven percent, so 1156 00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:39.079 that they have more sympathy for Israel than the Palestinians. 1157 00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:42.519 That is just a just a massive shift on that issue. 1158 00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:45.599 Thank Joe Biden, Donald Trump, and BBNET Yaho for that. 1159 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:51.400 Yeah, that is true. And then forty nine percent favor socialism, 1160 00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:55.559 twenty two percent no socialism, and then the rest had 1161 00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:56.159 no opinion. 1162 00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:59.480 Every age group of Democrats has a favoralle opinion, so 1163 00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:01.960 they'll support socialism. They have a favorable opinion of it. 1164 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:03.960 That's which I think, thank you, Which is that is important. 1165 00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:05.559 That maybe a distinction a lot of difference in the 1166 00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:07.719 ads that will be running, but I think it does 1167 00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:10.320 matter on what people say. But yeah, even voters over 1168 00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:13.239 sixty five, if I remember correctly, Democrats over sixty five 1169 00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:17.599 by a more narrow margin, have a favorable view of socialism. 1170 00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:21.719 Oh, last one, I wanted to ask you about forty 1171 00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:24.119 nine percent of voters that it was important to choose 1172 00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:28.480 leaders with a fresh approach. Forty eight percent want to 1173 00:59:28.519 --> 00:59:30.159 choose leaders with proven experience. 1174 00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:31.239 It's a real. 1175 00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:39.000 And guess which guess what young people wanted experience? Yeah, 1176 00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:41.760 by like a lot more than other age groups. It 1177 00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:43.000 was a sort of like I think that. 1178 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:46.400 This one is. I think this is a confusing question, 1179 00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:48.199 and I don't think it says exactly what you think 1180 00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:54.000 it says. I think the backdrop for this is our 1181 00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:56.719 reality TV show president who has no real experience in 1182 00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:59.440 his fucking app leftion right every single day, and so 1183 00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:03.440 I think I think the better of the question that 1184 01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:06.199 will be more interesting as we think about the twenty 1185 01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:09.519 twenty eight Democratic crimeries inside do you want someone who 1186 01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:12.360 is a part of the establishment or agn'tscy establishment? I 1187 01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.320 think that's a because everyone is, everyone who's running is 1188 01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:17.960 going to have some answer on experience. It's just what 1189 01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:20.920 experience means, Like we saw this in two thousand and eight, 1190 01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:23.320 Like everyone can define experience the way they do, and 1191 01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:24.840 then you either sell it or you don't, because if 1192 01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:27.519 you don't, no one wants someone with insufficient experience. 1193 01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.800 That is true. That is true. While we're on this topic, 1194 01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:33.440 there's a bit of a mess brewing in the Democratic 1195 01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:37.679 primary in Texas's redrawn thirty fifth district, where sheriff's deputy 1196 01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:40.239 Johnny Garcia is now in a runoff with a sex 1197 01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:44.840 therapist named Maureen Galindo, who has posted wildly anti Semitic 1198 01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:49.280 comments online. Including calling Judaism the Synagogue of Satan and 1199 01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:52.639 promising to turn an ICED attention center into quote a 1200 01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:57.320 prison for American Zionists and former ICE officers, adding quote 1201 01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:00.719 it will also be a castration processing center for pedophiles, 1202 01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:04.679 which will probably be most of the Zionists. Disgusting. I'm 1203 01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:07.800 a serious superPAC called Lead Left, which was formed earlier 1204 01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.119 this month and whose website initially linked to the Republican 1205 01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:13.840 platform win Red, has now spent about six hundred thousand 1206 01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:17.920 dollars to boost Galindou. Demoline super PACs have now just 1207 01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:21.400 about matched that spending to defeat Galindo, and everyone from 1208 01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:24.760 James Tellerico to Hakim Jeffreys to AOC has condemned her. 1209 01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:27.119 What do you make of this? 1210 01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:31.280 Uh, it's a mess. 1211 01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:34.159 It's an absolute mess. I mean, good for everyone for 1212 01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:37.400 speaking up and trying to defeat this person. The Republicans 1213 01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:39.800 are pretty devious in what they're doing. They're going to 1214 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:42.000 do this in multiple places around the country. I've already 1215 01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:43.679 tried to do it in a couple of states, including Pennsylvania. 1216 01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:46.639 I mean, we have been involved in democratic groups, have 1217 01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:49.199 been involved in primaries before, so this is not beyond 1218 01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:52.239 the bound beyond the bounds of what's acceptable or what's appropriate. 1219 01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:55.000 But add us to the list of people condemning her 1220 01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:56.079 and hoping she does not win. 1221 01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:58.360 Yeah, and if you are in that district, if you're 1222 01:01:58.360 --> 01:01:59.800 a voter in that district, if you know voters in 1223 01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:02.280 that restrict, like tell them to go vote for Johnny Garcia. 1224 01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:04.800 She got more votes in the primary. 1225 01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:06.719 I know, I know, that's what That's what we're all 1226 01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:09.079 worried about. This is on this is on Tuesday. She 1227 01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:11.320 got so this is the runoff, and she got more 1228 01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:14.079 votes than him the first time around, and so, you know, 1229 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:20.159 I think I can't even begin. The most generous explanation 1230 01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:23.000 is that people who voted for her did not know 1231 01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:25.840 about all the comments and all the positions I hope, 1232 01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:29.480 and that maybe and that she obviously had a lot 1233 01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:31.519 of money and spending behind her, so her name ID 1234 01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:35.440 was better than Johnny Garcia, so he needs better name ID. 1235 01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:38.840 Maybe this controversy getting kicked up will help sort of 1236 01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:41.280 focus people, and people in that thirty fifth district will 1237 01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:43.159 we'll hear about this and be like, oh, that's crazy, 1238 01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:45.199 We've got to vote for Johnny Garcia. But anyway, we 1239 01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:48.400 should everyone should get the word out, because this isn't 1240 01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:52.039 just someone who's like crazy lefty, this is like a 1241 01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:56.119 fucking concentration camps for Zionists. Are you fucking kidding me? 1242 01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:59.800 Like it's awful? And Republicans of course are so fucking 1243 01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:03.280 say and having a field day with this and being like, oh, Democrats, 1244 01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:05.760 Democrats are the ones voting for the anti Semites and 1245 01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:09.360 the people who want to put Jews in camps, not Republicans. 1246 01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:11.880 And meanwhile, of course not saying anything about the fact 1247 01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:14.679 that there's this like mysterious super pac linked to the 1248 01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:18.679 Republican group when read that is spending too on this race, 1249 01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:22.760 which is just crazy. So Johnny Garcia go check it out. 1250 01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:27.159 All right, One last topic today. There are two very 1251 01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:30.639 notable weddings taking place this Memorial Day weekend. As we've said, 1252 01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:32.840 One is our own John Lovet and Ari Schwartz, which 1253 01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:35.480 we're all very excited to attend. The other is Donald 1254 01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:40.440 Trump Junior and Palm Beach socialite Bettina Anderson, which Donald 1255 01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:46.199 Trump Senior is maybe skipping. Let's listen to what he 1256 01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:47.239 said in the Oval. 1257 01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:48.760 Having your son's buddy in this movie, by the way, 1258 01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:50.760 he'd like me to go. 1259 01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:53.760 But it's going to be just a small, little private affair, 1260 01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:55.480 and I'm going to try and make it. 1261 01:03:55.800 --> 01:03:58.360 I'm in the midst, I said, you know, this is. 1262 01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:01.039 Not good timing for me. I have a thing called 1263 01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:02.480 the rad and other things. 1264 01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:06.559 That's when I can't win on. If I do attend, 1265 01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:09.920 I get killed. If I don't attend, I get killed. 1266 01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:13.239 What don him still I saw this this morning. I 1267 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:15.719 am it is four o'clock in the afternoon. I'm still 1268 01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:16.440 stunned by this. 1269 01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:20.280 I mean, we have joked for many, many years about 1270 01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:22.199 how Donald Trump does not love his children and they 1271 01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:23.840 act this way because he does not love them and 1272 01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:26.960 he can barely identify them and really did no parenting. 1273 01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:28.480 This kind of proves the point. 1274 01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:31.920 Yeah, just generational trauma, just in action. We're just we're 1275 01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:33.679 just watching it unfold right in that clip. 1276 01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:36.639 It's just also, you know, I. 1277 01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:42.480 Got to know. Donald Trump's famous for skipping festivities and 1278 01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:44.920 any kind of leisure activity because he likes to be 1279 01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:47.719 focused on the nation's business. He's well known for that. 1280 01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:52.480 No one would kill him for going to his son's wedding. 1281 01:04:53.719 --> 01:04:57.840 That's one. Like he does a lot of dumb show golf. 1282 01:04:58.360 --> 01:04:59.920 This this would free pass for this one. 1283 01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:03.239 It's in the Bahamas. I guess he can't. Like air 1284 01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:04.960 Force one can go to the Bahamas. 1285 01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:05.599 He can go anywhere. 1286 01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:08.079 Yeah, you can go anywhere. They could bring a fucking. 1287 01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:10.480 Is not at mar A Lago because he wanted to 1288 01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:11.199 charge his son. 1289 01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:16.400 That is I can't even imagine. I can't imagine married. 1290 01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:20.119 And also not like he also wasn't even It would 1291 01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:22.880 have even been different if he was like, oh, I'm 1292 01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:24.719 so like, I can't make it, you know, like he 1293 01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:27.360 was definitive and he had the excuse. But he did 1294 01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:29.559 the worst of all worlds was to just be like, Eh, 1295 01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:31.519 I'm gonna try to make it, but I don't know. 1296 01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:34.840 I don't know. It's not good. I told him, it's yeah, 1297 01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:37.760 not good timing for me. Not good timing for me. 1298 01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:40.239 It's really it's your fault. 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When 1335 01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:33.880 you visit neutrofold dot com, enter the promo code crooked. 1336 01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:37.440 That's neutrifold dot com spelled n U t r a 1337 01:07:37.719 --> 01:07:45.239 f o l dot com promo code crooked. My guest 1338 01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:47.679 today is the mayor of San Jose. He's running to 1339 01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:50.320 be the next governor of the great state of California. 1340 01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:50.920 That man. 1341 01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:53.480 Great to see you, Thanks for me, Thank you for 1342 01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:56.719 coming into the Crooked Media Grand offices. 1343 01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:58.199 What do you think it's beautiful? 1344 01:07:58.280 --> 01:07:59.039 Yeah, I love the art. 1345 01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:02.440 I'm really digging compliments today. All right, let's cut to 1346 01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:05.239 the chase. So I got a motley, crowded field. The 1347 01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:08.679 candidates in this race. Election days fast approaching, people already voting. 1348 01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:10.800 I got my ballot at the house. I'm an undecided voter. 1349 01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:11.960 I want to talk to you about it in a bit. 1350 01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:15.480 Why are you the best candidate to lead this state? 1351 01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:18.800 Well, thanks for having me on. I think I'm the 1352 01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:21.039 best candidate to lead the state because I'm the only 1353 01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:23.399 Democrat in the race who has a track record of 1354 01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:26.880 challenging the establishment within my own party to make our 1355 01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:30.079 government deliver for people. And at a time when we've 1356 01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:33.399 got authoritarian president who is trying to take the country 1357 01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:36.159 in a very dangerous direction, we need Democrats who can 1358 01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:40.520 govern and make people's lives better. The way we win 1359 01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:43.520 in the long run is proving that we can implement 1360 01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:47.880 policies that make people's neighborhoods safer and cleaner, their schools better, 1361 01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:52.920 make housing more affordable. If we're delivering bad outcomes and 1362 01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:56.640 people are dissatisfied with our leadership, it becomes very hard 1363 01:08:56.680 --> 01:08:59.880 to fight for democracy and get people to care about 1364 01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:02.479 climate change and many of the kind of longer term 1365 01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:03.199 goals that we have. 1366 01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:05.760 So I agree with a lot of what you're saying. 1367 01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:08.159 But just you know, we're in LA we have this 1368 01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:11.199 mayoral race happening that's kind of goofy. Sure you've seen. 1369 01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:13.640 We got Karen Bastian come into the Democrat just got 1370 01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:16.239 a challenge from the left from Nythia Rahman, and then 1371 01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:19.600 a challenge from the right from like a washed up 1372 01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:22.359 reality TV participant I don't even want to call him 1373 01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:26.279 a star, Spencer Pratt, who lost his home in the 1374 01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:29.600 Palisades fire, and I think has channeled very understandable anger 1375 01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:33.680 about the response into a surprisingly effective campaign, and he's 1376 01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:37.399 like tapped into this rage at the government, rage at 1377 01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:40.119 the system I think was bubbling below the surface for 1378 01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:42.199 a lot of people and like not just you know, 1379 01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:44.760 people who are feeling like the economic pinch, Like a 1380 01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:47.439 lot of rich, powerful people in this city are like 1381 01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:48.159 pro Pratt. 1382 01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:50.880 Now, are you hearing. 1383 01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:53.159 That anger on the campaign trail? And if so, how 1384 01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:56.119 did Democrats address it and speak to it? Like when 1385 01:09:56.159 --> 01:09:58.239 we're in charge of everything here and have been for 1386 01:09:58.319 --> 01:09:59.560 a while, I. 1387 01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:02.880 Am here in that frustration and in some cases outright anger. 1388 01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:05.520 And that's exactly what I'm talking about. When I ran 1389 01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:07.960 for mayor of San Jose, which is the third largest 1390 01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:11.159 city in the state. I was hearing deep frustration with 1391 01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:14.359 the most basic things. There's crime in my neighborhood, sprawling, 1392 01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:17.319 tent encampments, our schools are failing. I can't afford the rent. 1393 01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:19.319 I mean the stuff that really keeps people up at 1394 01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:23.159 night and affects them in their daily lives. And I 1395 01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:25.560 realized very quickly when I was out knocking on doors 1396 01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:28.960 and talking to people, that we have to own those 1397 01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:35.159 shortcomings and offer people change that is pragmatic and responsible. 1398 01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:40.720 I believe we are almost continuously in a change election 1399 01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:46.960 mode because government today is failing to get the basics right. 1400 01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:50.520 In San Jose, I focused on things that are very 1401 01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:54.520 simple but have an outsized impact. Speeding up permitting, creating 1402 01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:57.279 a neighborhood quality of life unit within our police department, 1403 01:10:57.319 --> 01:11:01.560 building basic dignified interim housing, and when it's available, requiring 1404 01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:04.359 people come indoors, partnering with our county to get more 1405 01:11:04.359 --> 01:11:08.000 people into drug treatment. By focusing on very basic issues 1406 01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:11.039 that people see and feel every single day, that you 1407 01:11:11.359 --> 01:11:14.359 sadly see go viral on next door and everywhere else, 1408 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:18.920 we've increased trust in city hall by forty percent in 1409 01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:21.800 my time as mayor. I think that's the playbook. It'll 1410 01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:25.119 look different in different cities and different states. But again, 1411 01:11:25.199 --> 01:11:27.119 I go back to this core premise that we have 1412 01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:29.000 to be outcome focused. We have to look at the 1413 01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:31.439 outcomes that matter most to voters. And they're pretty clear. 1414 01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:34.319 They're telling us it's how it's cost of living, it's 1415 01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:37.600 quality of schools, it's public safety issues, it's it's very 1416 01:11:37.640 --> 01:11:40.479 basic issues. Now it's the cost of gas. And yeah, 1417 01:11:40.520 --> 01:11:42.720 we could spend all of our time arguing how much 1418 01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:46.680 of the cost of gas is Trump's war A lot 1419 01:11:46.720 --> 01:11:49.279 of versus a lot of it. Yeah, the last dollar 1420 01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:52.079 and a half two dollars something like that is thanks 1421 01:11:52.079 --> 01:11:55.079 to Donald Trump. But the dollar fifty before that is 1422 01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:57.880 largely our own policy decisions, and we need to be 1423 01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:00.199 honest about that. I've argued that the gas has and 1424 01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:04.439 California has become the most regressive tax. It affects people 1425 01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:06.279 living in the kinds of communities I grew up, and 1426 01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:07.960 I grew up in a small farming town on the 1427 01:12:07.960 --> 01:12:12.039 Central Coast. People who can't afford an ev Californians who 1428 01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:14.279 are driving farther because they live in rural communities are 1429 01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:17.119 out in the suburbs and they're commuting every day, and 1430 01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:20.760 we should keep it, but we should right size it. 1431 01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:22.800 In fact, I would convert it into a flat fee 1432 01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:25.279 that makes sure ev owners are paying their fair share. 1433 01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:27.960 That would be fair. You'd provide some relief to people, 1434 01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:30.479 and you'd show that the Democratic Party is still fighting 1435 01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:33.560 for working people and trying to make a real impact 1436 01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:35.000 in their daily lives. 1437 01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:37.640 Lend me annoying and ask a process question and we'll 1438 01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:39.840 get geek out a little bit. So you got into 1439 01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:42.159 their race pretty late. It was a crowded field. 1440 01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:44.199 But now you've been. 1441 01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:45.760 Running for a couple months and there was a poll 1442 01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:47.520 out earlier this week that had you at four percent 1443 01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:50.560 of the vote. How do you turn things around if 1444 01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:52.880 that poll is accurate between now an election day, when 1445 01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:54.960 it's what a month out less less? 1446 01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:56.840 I mean, look, there's a lot of fluidity in the polls. 1447 01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:59.199 We also recently had a poll that showed us at 1448 01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:02.680 ten percent. I'd mean, look, when it's a low turnout 1449 01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:06.119 race and voters are holding onto their ballots, it means 1450 01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:09.840 there's a lot of uncertainty and therefore variability in terms 1451 01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:13.680 of what can happen. I believe people are listening they're 1452 01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:16.479 not thrilled with the choices that they perceive to be 1453 01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:19.439 the front runners today because they have some very legitimate 1454 01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:24.800 concerns about Tom Steyer and Javierbasera and certainly Steve Hilton, 1455 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:30.560 and I'm offering an alternative that is resonant with those 1456 01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:32.800 who have heard it. What we see in our data 1457 01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:36.159 is when people have seen our ads and heard our message, 1458 01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:38.600 we go above twenty percent and we're in the top two. 1459 01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:42.960 So my focus is on communicating directly with voters through 1460 01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:46.079 every possible channel, including thank you very much, this is 1461 01:13:46.479 --> 01:13:50.079 opportunity today. I want to talk to people about what 1462 01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:53.359 we've done to get housing under construction, to make San 1463 01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:56.000 Jose the safest big city in the country, to reduce 1464 01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:58.960 homelessness faster than any other city in the state of California, 1465 01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:02.279 and off a different view of how we make Sacramento 1466 01:14:02.439 --> 01:14:04.520 work for them. I mean, we have to own as 1467 01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:07.680 Democrats the fact in the last six years we have 1468 01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:11.000 increased spending in Sacramento by seventy five percent. That's one 1469 01:14:11.079 --> 01:14:14.000 hundred and fifty billion dollars per year more than we 1470 01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:16.439 had six years ago, and none of the outcomes that 1471 01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:19.279 people care most about have gotten better. That is a 1472 01:14:19.319 --> 01:14:23.279 systemic breakdown, and that's why I'm trying to offer very 1473 01:14:23.359 --> 01:14:28.640 concrete solutions. Fun Prop thirty six expand treatment capacity, do 1474 01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:31.520 high dosage tutoring when children are falling behind, to make 1475 01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:33.920 sure every child's on grade level for reading by the 1476 01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:36.560 end of third grade. These are things that work that 1477 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:41.239 we have not done, largely because of special interest capture 1478 01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:44.159 in Sacramento. We don't build condos in the state of 1479 01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:47.119 California anymore because the trial lawyers like the fees they 1480 01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:52.640 collect from using construction defect laws to sue builders of condos. 1481 01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:54.960 So the city of Miami builds more condos every year 1482 01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:57.680 than the entire state of California. Why does that matter. 1483 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:00.920 That's the most accessible form of homeowner ship for young people, 1484 01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:02.760 and we wonder why people are getting priced out of 1485 01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:06.079 our state. So I'm running against the special interest capture 1486 01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:09.000 and Sacramento and the status quo. I've done that as 1487 01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:11.079 the mayor of a large city, and it's worked. We've 1488 01:15:11.079 --> 01:15:12.920 delivered meaningful outcomes. 1489 01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:14.800 I want to ask you more about home ownership and 1490 01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:17.479 young people in the state. Just one more process thing, 1491 01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:20.199 which is like, look, I'm literally an undecided voter in 1492 01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:22.760 this race in part because, as you know, we have 1493 01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:27.279 this stupid fucking jungle primary system here where there's a runoff. 1494 01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:29.039 There's a first round in June, second the top two 1495 01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:32.720 candidates go to the runoff, So that leads to strategic voting. 1496 01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:35.319 Right there was all this anxiety about Democrats splitting the 1497 01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:37.479 vote to Republicans ascending, and right then we have a 1498 01:15:37.479 --> 01:15:41.000 defecto Republican governor. That probably won't happen now because the 1499 01:15:41.319 --> 01:15:44.640 Chad seems to touch cuckoo and Trump has chosen the 1500 01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:47.520 British Shortking is his guy in shocking what's going on there? 1501 01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:51.640 I guess Fox. But then but then there's people like 1502 01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:54.119 me who are just like overthinking it, right because I 1503 01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:57.439 have candidates that appeal to my heart, and I worry 1504 01:15:57.479 --> 01:16:00.119 though that if they can't win, then maybe I'm doing 1505 01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:03.039 a harm reduction vote because I have candidates that I 1506 01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:05.319 think are bad and I want to vote for someone 1507 01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:09.399 to displace them. Why do we have this dumb system? 1508 01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:10.159 I hate it? 1509 01:16:10.479 --> 01:16:12.000 Well, I hope I'm speaking to your heart. 1510 01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:15.239 We we'll find out. We have but fifteen more minutes. 1511 01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:18.479 Yeah, you let me know at the end. I don't 1512 01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:22.479 think people should overthink it it is almost statistically impossible 1513 01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:24.600 for two Republicans to get through. There are not that 1514 01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:27.800 many Republican votes in the state of California. Donald Trump 1515 01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:29.840 is not on the ballot, which means turnout will be 1516 01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:33.279 lower than it would otherwise. Be Bianco is hanging in 1517 01:16:33.319 --> 01:16:36.119 there with his third of the Republican Party, but not 1518 01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:38.640 any more than that. And I just I think it's 1519 01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:42.399 more likely we'll have two Democrats then we will have 1520 01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:45.399 two Republicans. By far, it's just not going to happen. 1521 01:16:45.720 --> 01:16:48.159 So I think people should vote for the Democrat who 1522 01:16:48.199 --> 01:16:50.279 they believe will do the best job, and. 1523 01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:52.079 I get rid of this process at some point, though 1524 01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:53.279 the voters can. 1525 01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:54.640 They can. 1526 01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:57.359 It's annoying. No one likes this. Who is this four? 1527 01:16:58.159 --> 01:17:01.800 Well? The theory I do want try articulated because look 1528 01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:07.199 that they're trade offs. Partisan primaries also tend to drive 1529 01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:10.439 candidates to the extreme. Agreed, And so I don't know 1530 01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:13.520 that there's a I've heard another interesting alternative, which is 1531 01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:16.720 I know this is going to sound crazy, but I 1532 01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:18.960 was intrigued when someone pitched me on this the other day. 1533 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:22.560 Having the top three or four candidates advance and then 1534 01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:24.920 in the final the second round, do rank choice photo. 1535 01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:26.880 I would do rank choice for sure. Yeah, yeah, I 1536 01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:28.399 feel like that solves the problem. 1537 01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:30.479 If you if you winnow the field from sixty two, 1538 01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:32.560 which is literally what we have on our ballot today, which. 1539 01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:35.479 Isn't someone named Barack Obama, I believe, Yeah, yeah, good 1540 01:17:35.479 --> 01:17:38.359 move on his well plates are. 1541 01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:41.199 Yeah, if you narrow it to say the top four, 1542 01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:45.520 then you're almost certain to have ideological and partisan variety. 1543 01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:47.760 And then because it would then theoretically if you did 1544 01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:50.479 rank choice, you would then optimize for whoever's kind of 1545 01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:53.079 the best overall choice. So I'm orson something like that. 1546 01:17:53.439 --> 01:17:55.479 I worry if you go back to a partisan primary, 1547 01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:58.399 you get the most extreme Republican, the most extreme Democrat. 1548 01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:01.279 It's a it's all just in the primary. And that's, 1549 01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:03.000 by the way, looking at the other side, that's how 1550 01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:06.159 you ended up with the Ted Cruz in Texas. He 1551 01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:09.800 got five percent of the vote, but because it was 1552 01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:12.560 enough to make him the top candidate in a hyper 1553 01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:16.560 partisan Republican primary in a red state, he became the 1554 01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:19.000 de facto senator for years to come. 1555 01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:21.159 Well, he has a very appealing human being, so I 1556 01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:24.600 can see that for that five percent drew that five 1557 01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:29.000 percent in you have come out against this proposed one 1558 01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:32.079 time billionaires tax of five percent, well tax on billionaires 1559 01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:36.079 in California. This could be on the ballot this fall. 1560 01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:37.680 Why what's your opposition to this plan? 1561 01:18:37.960 --> 01:18:42.000 Yeah, so it's not because I don't think billionaires should 1562 01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:44.399 shouldn't be paying more. I mean, look, I think there 1563 01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:47.279 are a lot of loopholes in the tax code we 1564 01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:51.359 should close. I'll give you one example. Today, very wealthy 1565 01:18:51.399 --> 01:18:56.439 people can borrow against their stock options or other assets 1566 01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:59.359 that they have not yet paid capital gains on, and 1567 01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:04.279 then deloy use those dollars as a way of funding 1568 01:19:04.439 --> 01:19:07.279 their lifestyles, their investments, and then never having to pay 1569 01:19:07.319 --> 01:19:11.239 capital gains. That's a loophole we should close that. Actually, 1570 01:19:11.319 --> 01:19:13.239 give you one more Elon Musk, if you were to 1571 01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:16.199 die today, would pass his stock onto his heirs five 1572 01:19:16.279 --> 01:19:19.560 hundred billion or whatever it is, and it would automatically 1573 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:23.640 get repriced at market rate, meaning they even if they 1574 01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:25.560 turned around and sold it the next day, would never 1575 01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:28.880 pay capital gains on It. Fundamentally unfair. So there are 1576 01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:30.640 a whole bunch of things in the tax code I 1577 01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:34.800 would fix. I also think with automation, capital gains will 1578 01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:37.199 probably need to go up so that we can lower 1579 01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:40.239 income tax on those who are working for a living. 1580 01:19:41.119 --> 01:19:44.199 But when it comes to this wealth tax, the concern 1581 01:19:44.279 --> 01:19:46.720 I have is it's going to punish the middle class. 1582 01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:50.159 In California, we've seen about a trillion dollars of capital 1583 01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:53.239 flight from the state already. And this is right in 1584 01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:55.760 line with what we've seen in every other place that's 1585 01:19:55.800 --> 01:19:56.680 try a wealth tax. 1586 01:19:56.920 --> 01:20:02.199 Trillion dollars in wealth asset value val right, not taxation. 1587 01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:06.880 Correct, A trillion dollars worth of wealth of assets that 1588 01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:10.600 people hold that no longer reside within the state of 1589 01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:14.680 California because their owner now has a primary residence in another. 1590 01:20:14.439 --> 01:20:15.600 State like Arino or something. 1591 01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:20.079 Yeah, yeah, Nevada, Florida, Texas, whatever. And that's what we've seen. 1592 01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:23.359 So there are fourteen European countries that have tried wealth 1593 01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:26.920 taxes at the national level, not even the provincial or 1594 01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:31.199 state level, and what they have generally rolled them back 1595 01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:34.000 or had to significantly modify them for a couple of reasons. 1596 01:20:34.079 --> 01:20:36.520 One they have seen the overall tax based shrink is 1597 01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:39.600 they've had capital flight, people with high, very high networths 1598 01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:42.159 moving their assets and their primary residents out of the 1599 01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:42.920 country or out. 1600 01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:43.239 Of the state. 1601 01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:47.199 The other is to assess people's wealth is not a 1602 01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:50.439 trivial thing. You actually need to have an army of 1603 01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:53.960 assessors go out and go through people's belongings and figure 1604 01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:56.560 out what all these things worth and value them and 1605 01:20:56.600 --> 01:20:59.319 then tax them. And there's a lot of distortionary effects. 1606 01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:02.720 I'm I just think it's likely to backfire. It's like 1607 01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:04.640 going to be very costly, and ultimately, I think it's 1608 01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:06.359 the middle class that's going to be left holding the. 1609 01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:08.479 Bag because there will just be less revenue. 1610 01:21:08.479 --> 01:21:11.119 You think so, And that's not just me. The Legislative 1611 01:21:11.159 --> 01:21:15.840 Analyst Office, the Independent Policy Shop in Sacramento says that 1612 01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:18.800 we've probably already taken ten billion a year off of 1613 01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:21.640 our future revenues based on the capitol that's already left 1614 01:21:21.640 --> 01:21:22.000 the state. 1615 01:21:22.319 --> 01:21:24.359 Right, But if we could recoup that with this one 1616 01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:26.239 time tax, I mean, there's estimates that it could bring 1617 01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:28.279 in up to one hundred billion. I mean, it's hard 1618 01:21:28.319 --> 01:21:30.239 to pencil out the math, right, because we just don't 1619 01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:32.119 know how many people will leave. As I feel like 1620 01:21:32.319 --> 01:21:34.520 there's this concert we're talking about like two hundred people, right, 1621 01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:38.720 like two hundred billionaires in California. If they all left 1622 01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:41.760 the state, do they all really have that much income 1623 01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:45.039 that gets taxed? Like Jeff Bezos famously pays himself eighty 1624 01:21:45.079 --> 01:21:47.880 grand or something and has since nineteen ninety eight, but 1625 01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:52.720 all of his wealth is in often unrealized gains in 1626 01:21:52.760 --> 01:21:55.199 Amazon stock, right, which is not getting tax no matter 1627 01:21:55.239 --> 01:21:58.279 what happens. It's like, how do we get at that money? 1628 01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:00.800 Well, that's why I point to those other to reforms 1629 01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:03.760 that I think make a lot more sense. One is, 1630 01:22:04.119 --> 01:22:07.920 if he's borrowing against those unrealized gains at there should 1631 01:22:07.960 --> 01:22:10.399 be a cut off at which point it's considered realized 1632 01:22:10.399 --> 01:22:12.760 and you have to you can't just endlessly borrow against 1633 01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:15.560 your realized assets. I think that's a way smarter way 1634 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:17.760 to do it, that's less distortionary, and I would, I 1635 01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:21.000 mean really ideally that would be a federal policy. The 1636 01:22:21.079 --> 01:22:26.279 other is inheritance. The best wealth tax is a one 1637 01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:29.159 time inheritance tax when you pass things on. And if 1638 01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:32.079 you don't want to actually force people to sell assets 1639 01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:34.720 because it's a family business or a farm, that's fine, 1640 01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:38.079 but don't re base the value of it at market 1641 01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:41.359 rate at the moment the person dies. Leave the original 1642 01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:44.000 cost basis, so that when your airs sell, they pay 1643 01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:45.640 capital gains. That seems only fair. 1644 01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:48.800 Yes, And there's so many carve outs for farms, and 1645 01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:51.880 it's like tens of millions of dollars is already exempted 1646 01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:54.159 from the wealth tax. It's insane that we are not 1647 01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:56.319 focusing more on that. So you're in the Nerve, a 1648 01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:58.800 city at the heart of the American tech industry. In 1649 01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:02.840 a past life, you worked tech industry. Americans I think 1650 01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:06.920 increasingly have a negative view of a lot of tech companies, right, 1651 01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:09.720 I mean as recently as twenty fifteen, Pugh found that 1652 01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:12.560 seventy one percent of Americans thought technology companies had a 1653 01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:15.680 positive effect on the country. By twenty nineteen, that was 1654 01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:19.159 down to fifty percent. Now you're seeing like AI explode 1655 01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:21.319 onto the scene. People are worried about the data centers. 1656 01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:24.800 There's polling that finds an increasing number of Americans are 1657 01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:28.720 more concerned than excited about AI. You've got people getting 1658 01:23:28.760 --> 01:23:32.600 booed for mentioning AI at college commencements this past weekend. 1659 01:23:33.359 --> 01:23:35.960 What would you say to voters who are furious at 1660 01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:40.680 Silicon Valley because you know certain, you know, tech CEOs 1661 01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:43.880 got fabulously wealthy while they did not. The news media 1662 01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:46.800 got hollowed out. They feel like harms were done by 1663 01:23:46.840 --> 01:23:50.600 social media, and now it just feels like the same companies, 1664 01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:54.159 the same people they're getting to run it back with AI, 1665 01:23:54.439 --> 01:23:58.800 which we're all told is this unbelievably powerful, like step change, 1666 01:23:58.920 --> 01:24:01.000 new thing. And I don't trust those people. I don't 1667 01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:04.159 trust Elan or Mark Zuckerberg or Sam Altman to be 1668 01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:04.760 in charge of it. 1669 01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:05.479 Yeah. 1670 01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:08.720 Yeah, I think it's a very real fear, and I 1671 01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:11.319 understand it, and on some level I share it. I 1672 01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:13.760 don't I have little kids. I don't want them on 1673 01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:18.439 social media or AI. I've argued that, and as governor 1674 01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:22.399 I would fight for policies that require parental consent for 1675 01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:27.720 using social media, ban cell phones in public schools. I've 1676 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:31.880 actually got experience with regulating technology because as a mayor, 1677 01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:36.239 our city is procuring and using technology and constantly thinking 1678 01:24:36.239 --> 01:24:40.279 about the trade offs. New tools can give us new 1679 01:24:40.640 --> 01:24:44.840 capabilities to improve things. We've sped up our public buses, 1680 01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:49.720 We've improved language translation in our meetings, We're identifying potholes proactively. 1681 01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:51.960 We've done a number of things that are making government 1682 01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:54.880 more responsive and efficient, which is great. That's really cool stuff. 1683 01:24:55.159 --> 01:25:00.880 On the other hand, people's fears around privacy, manipulate of elections, 1684 01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:05.760 and just misinformation. More broadly, job loss, environmental destruction are 1685 01:25:05.800 --> 01:25:09.399 all very legitimate, and that's why we created something called 1686 01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:12.720 the gov AI Coalition. San Jose is the founding member 1687 01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:17.039 of a platform that helps over nine hundred public agencies 1688 01:25:17.359 --> 01:25:20.600 navigate technology adoption. And it's all about the ethical and 1689 01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:24.800 responsible use of AI. So we use license plate readers, 1690 01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:27.600 but we don't allow facial recognition. We don't sell data 1691 01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:29.560 to third parties. We don't even share it with the 1692 01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:31.960 federal government because we don't trust how they will use it. 1693 01:25:32.239 --> 01:25:34.920 We delete it every thirty days. On the other hand, 1694 01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:38.479 it's helped us solve murders and kidnappings and rapes and 1695 01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:41.359 all kinds of horrible crimes. So striking that balance of 1696 01:25:41.439 --> 01:25:45.560 how do we harness the value of tools, and I 1697 01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:48.279 think we want to continue to be a state that 1698 01:25:48.439 --> 01:25:51.199 is innovative and that is at the cutting edge, but 1699 01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:55.479 we have to regulate and protect people from these changes 1700 01:25:55.560 --> 01:25:58.279 data centers you mentioned. I believe this should be a 1701 01:25:58.399 --> 01:26:01.920 national standard, but certainly for California, any new data center 1702 01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:05.800 needs to pay the full cost of the infrastructure, they require, 1703 01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:08.520 the full cost of energy. They should be required to 1704 01:26:08.600 --> 01:26:12.119 use the cleanest energy. Their investment should help facilitate the 1705 01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:15.720 clean energy future that we all want. They should have 1706 01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:18.079 to use recycled water. So I think that we can 1707 01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:20.560 praise the bar. Some people want to pause on building those, 1708 01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:22.239 so that's too far from and that's kind of my point. 1709 01:26:22.279 --> 01:26:25.760 You have this sort of much more laisse fair approach 1710 01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:28.680 on the right that is sort of like, oh, you know, 1711 01:26:29.079 --> 01:26:32.359 business is good, capitalism is always good, and let's just 1712 01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:34.800 have this sort of unbridled capitalism and see what happens. 1713 01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:38.520 Yeah, David Sachs approach. We're laissez faire until Silicon Valley 1714 01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:40.000 Bank is going to collapse and then. 1715 01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:44.680 We're screening welfare. Yeah, exactly. So I reject that mindset 1716 01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:48.039 and approach. I also think, though, that there is a 1717 01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:53.720 more extreme version within my party that wants to just 1718 01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:57.479 hit the brakes, and I think I just believe we 1719 01:26:57.520 --> 01:26:59.560 were better served and I think historically we have been 1720 01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:05.960 better regulating, managing shaping technological change. But having the authority 1721 01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:09.000 to do that then just saying no and having it 1722 01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:12.000 happen elsewhere, and I think there's a balance to strike there. 1723 01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:14.600 I put out an AI accountability plan that's all about 1724 01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:18.520 striking that balance. It's about investing in workforce development, putting 1725 01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:22.880 strict guardrails on the way that children interact with technology, 1726 01:27:23.359 --> 01:27:28.079 accountability for data centers and robotics companies. We need to 1727 01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:32.319 have an AI shared prosperity fund. That is pain that 1728 01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:36.399 is taking tax revenue from these hyperscalers, these big tech companies, 1729 01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:41.159 and pain for the upskilling and reskilling. We need to 1730 01:27:41.159 --> 01:27:43.199 make sure that people are prepared for the jobs of 1731 01:27:43.239 --> 01:27:45.560 the future. And look, if it gets really dire. We 1732 01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:48.479 haven't seen this yet, but we should have a plan 1733 01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:51.960 b if if job loss increases, we're going to have 1734 01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:53.920 to talk about things like a UBI. We need to 1735 01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:56.039 have a whole other set of tools, a totally different 1736 01:27:56.359 --> 01:27:59.439 safety net. If this plays out in a way that 1737 01:27:59.520 --> 01:28:00.920 some of us. 1738 01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:03.520 What's your what's your AI drug? A choice? You a 1739 01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:07.319 groc guy, Claude, chat GPT, What do we using? 1740 01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:11.560 I go between Claude and Chat and yeah, chat GPT mostly, 1741 01:28:11.600 --> 01:28:14.359 although I end up by default on Gemini a lot, 1742 01:28:14.439 --> 01:28:15.399 just because of the browser. 1743 01:28:15.560 --> 01:28:17.640 Yeah, but then it's always wrong. You know, you're just 1744 01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:21.560 getting bullshitted. I'm a Claude guy. I was using Chat 1745 01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:24.119 GPT and then Sam Mamma did something shitty when he 1746 01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:26.840 when he swooped in, was like, I'll take your Pentagon 1747 01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:29.720 contract to build the autonomous killer robots. I was like, 1748 01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:30.079 I'm out. 1749 01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:31.479 And then you went to Claude and see you buddy. 1750 01:28:31.560 --> 01:28:34.920 Yeah, who's just secretly building the autonomous killer robots? Who knows? 1751 01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:37.359 So you raised a bunch of money from folks in 1752 01:28:37.359 --> 01:28:37.880 the tech world. 1753 01:28:38.359 --> 01:28:38.439 Uh. 1754 01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:41.319 Ceo is a Google, drop Box, Snapchat, Twitch. I think 1755 01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:44.960 some prominent venture capitalists. What's your response to people who worry, look, 1756 01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:48.079 when you take all that money, there are strings and 1757 01:28:48.119 --> 01:28:50.319 it could make you beholden to the tech industry. 1758 01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:51.159 Yeah. 1759 01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:54.399 I mean it's a very fair question, and my response 1760 01:28:54.520 --> 01:28:57.399 is one I've regulated tech and as an elected official 1761 01:28:57.399 --> 01:28:59.800 over the last six years, I have never done one 1762 01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:04.159 thing to benefit the biggest employers in Silicon Valley over 1763 01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:06.119 the people of San Jose, and I sure as heck 1764 01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:08.079 I'm not going to do that in Sacramento. I'm actually 1765 01:29:08.159 --> 01:29:12.159 running against special interest capture in Sacramento, and I'm not 1766 01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:15.239 going to replace one set of interest with another. I 1767 01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:20.239 have been very willing and have consistently put restrictions on 1768 01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:23.279 how we use technology, how we interface with tech, companies. 1769 01:29:23.640 --> 01:29:27.720 I think the honest reason that there are tech employees, 1770 01:29:27.800 --> 01:29:31.760 tech leaders, investors, etc. Who have contributed to the campaign 1771 01:29:32.079 --> 01:29:34.960 is I lead the largest city in Silicon Valley and 1772 01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:39.159 they've seen that we have led the state in reducing crime, 1773 01:29:39.399 --> 01:29:44.760 reducing homelessness, building housing, fixing our problems. And I think 1774 01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:49.279 people are drawn to results in competent leadership. And I'm 1775 01:29:49.319 --> 01:29:51.680 just better known in the Bay Area where we have 1776 01:29:51.720 --> 01:29:54.520 a number of tech companies. But that's why I'm spending 1777 01:29:54.560 --> 01:29:57.359 so much time traveling around the state, getting to know 1778 01:29:57.439 --> 01:30:00.880 people in other places and really making the case for 1779 01:30:01.039 --> 01:30:05.520 good government. But I put out a very clear AI 1780 01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:07.920 accountability plan that is based on everything I've done in 1781 01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:10.960 San Jose over the last six years and is where 1782 01:30:11.079 --> 01:30:13.359 I am on these issues. And I put that out 1783 01:30:13.399 --> 01:30:17.159 transparently for everyone from voters to my donors to see it. 1784 01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:20.359 And if donors don't like it, they can find another candidate. 1785 01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:22.800 One donor name that surprised me was a guy named 1786 01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:26.479 Joe Lonsdale. He's a co founder Palenteer, big Republican mega donor. 1787 01:30:26.479 --> 01:30:28.640 He's like a big Elon stand gave a million to 1788 01:30:28.680 --> 01:30:32.439 Elon's like pro Trump superpack maxed out to you, what's 1789 01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:34.439 up with that guy? He seems a little crazy. 1790 01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:35.319 I don't know. 1791 01:30:35.399 --> 01:30:36.880 You'd have to ask him. I mean I have I 1792 01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:38.800 have probably thousands of doors. 1793 01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:40.279 He's not like someone you do back in the day 1794 01:30:40.319 --> 01:30:41.439 when he's a Palenteer or something. 1795 01:30:41.720 --> 01:30:41.880 No. 1796 01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:43.800 I know he's from He's from the Bay Area, and 1797 01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:45.439 I don't know. 1798 01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:47.920 I Look, he's just an aggressive tweeter. I've we've come, 1799 01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:48.600 We've crossed paths. 1800 01:30:48.600 --> 01:30:50.199 That's what you guys have been tweeting at each other. 1801 01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:53.359 You know, Look, we all have our weaknesses, and that's 1802 01:30:53.359 --> 01:30:56.920 one of mine. It does feel like though, like the 1803 01:30:56.920 --> 01:30:59.560 there was a time, look I was in the Obama 1804 01:30:59.680 --> 01:31:02.840 in and like the kind of eight through twenty thirteen 1805 01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:07.319 phase of like the there's a lot of excitement around tech. 1806 01:31:07.399 --> 01:31:11.039 There's a lot of cooperation between the administration and tech industry, 1807 01:31:11.159 --> 01:31:13.520 probably too much to our you know, discredit in the 1808 01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:16.319 Obama world. Now it seems like a lot of the 1809 01:31:16.359 --> 01:31:20.159 tech industry guys are like, gloves are off, Fuck this, 1810 01:31:20.479 --> 01:31:23.600 We're battling regulation right, like Indrease and Horowitz. According to 1811 01:31:23.600 --> 01:31:26.039 The New York Times, is made more than one hundred 1812 01:31:26.079 --> 01:31:29.119 and fifty million, one hundred and fifteen million dollars worth 1813 01:31:29.159 --> 01:31:32.720 of disclosed federal contributions to candidates or entities working on 1814 01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:37.359 the upcoming midterms. That's like fifty mil for like a 1815 01:31:37.359 --> 01:31:42.359 AI pack, another forty seven million for crypto super pack. Like. 1816 01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:45.319 Does that wor you? Does that disgust you that like 1817 01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:48.920 this one VC firm can dump one hundred million to 1818 01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:52.760 advocate for like its you know, book of portfolio companies. 1819 01:31:53.119 --> 01:31:56.079 Yeah? Absolutely, I mean I'm I'm worried about concentrated power 1820 01:31:56.079 --> 01:32:00.960 and politics in all forms. The biggest donor and tech 1821 01:32:01.039 --> 01:32:06.199 now is becoming one of the largest industries or donor 1822 01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:08.800 bases in the country of any industry you've had oil 1823 01:32:08.840 --> 01:32:11.159 and gas in the state of California. It is worth 1824 01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:13.880 noting there are other groups as well, from public sector 1825 01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:17.600 unions to trial lawyers, who spend a tremendous amount of money, 1826 01:32:18.279 --> 01:32:20.119 sometimes for things I agree with that I think are 1827 01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:23.520 generally good for society, Sometimes for narrow or interests are 1828 01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:26.600 that are not always good for society. I actually got 1829 01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:29.319 involved in the way I ended up in tech was 1830 01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:35.159 building tools for grassroots organizing. The early petitions like the 1831 01:32:35.239 --> 01:32:38.960 change dot org tools, early fundraisers, go fundme, These kinds 1832 01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:44.479 of early tools to try to basically help people organize 1833 01:32:44.479 --> 01:32:48.960 at a grassroots level and make the system more accountable 1834 01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:51.880 to the people than to the donors. I've always been 1835 01:32:51.880 --> 01:32:55.840 worried about the influence of concentrated money and power and 1836 01:32:55.880 --> 01:33:00.279 our politics, so it does worry me. I do think think, though, 1837 01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:04.520 that the Democratic Party has to also recognize there's a 1838 01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:08.199 split within the party right now, and we have also 1839 01:33:08.479 --> 01:33:14.800 driven away many people who are have started companies. All right, 1840 01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:17.319 I'm not just talking about in tech. I mean generally speaking, 1841 01:33:17.359 --> 01:33:19.560 as I go around the state, just set tech aside 1842 01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:22.520 when I go talk to people in agriculture, in Hollywood, 1843 01:33:22.920 --> 01:33:28.039 in manufacturing, in a wide range of industries. The regulatory 1844 01:33:28.079 --> 01:33:31.000 burden in California is a real issue, and I think 1845 01:33:31.039 --> 01:33:34.880 we become very dismissive of it as deregulation is a 1846 01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:38.960 Republican thing that's just because they want more profit. I 1847 01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:41.840 don't think that's the case. I mean, we broke the 1848 01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:46.720 housing market by overregulating it in California. That's building more 1849 01:33:46.720 --> 01:33:50.159 housing and creating room for new people for future generations. 1850 01:33:50.199 --> 01:33:53.159 Making housing more affordable is actually a very progressive aim. 1851 01:33:53.479 --> 01:33:54.880 I totally agree, but I feel like we're just so 1852 01:33:55.000 --> 01:33:58.640 far from over regulating social media companies. I think Australia 1853 01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:01.479 is banning accounts for kids under sixteen, right, I mean, 1854 01:34:01.479 --> 01:34:02.640 we're just we're doing. 1855 01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:04.960 Nothing right, and that's part of my proposal is actually 1856 01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:08.680 to require at least parental consent up to up to sixteen. 1857 01:34:09.760 --> 01:34:12.159 So yeah, I think that's I think that's fair. But 1858 01:34:12.279 --> 01:34:18.239 I do think we risk losing natural allies of the 1859 01:34:18.279 --> 01:34:22.479 party if our answered every problem is another regulation and 1860 01:34:22.520 --> 01:34:25.800 other attacks. And I think look within tech, maybe it's appropriate. 1861 01:34:25.880 --> 01:34:28.279 The regulatory environment is not very mature at this point, 1862 01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:31.760 but there are plenty of other industries like housing and agriculture, 1863 01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:36.960 where you could argue we're punishing, we're actually restricting economic 1864 01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:39.119 opportunity and pushing people out of state. 1865 01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:43.920 You've criticized government avenues for the kind of focusing too 1866 01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:45.800 much on trolling Donald Trump. I think you said he 1867 01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:49.920 made a quote blind leap into Memeland. Gavin and Trump 1868 01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:52.199 have kind of a ross and Rachel will they won't 1869 01:34:52.199 --> 01:34:56.199 they frenemies? You know, antagonistic thing going. It's probably unique 1870 01:34:56.199 --> 01:34:59.079 to them, right, They're big, larger than life people. But 1871 01:34:59.279 --> 01:35:02.199 Trump and the conservative media they love to beat up 1872 01:35:02.239 --> 01:35:04.920 on California. Right, Fox News all day is like some 1873 01:35:05.119 --> 01:35:07.399 video of something that happened on the street. So I 1874 01:35:07.399 --> 01:35:10.640 don't think that Trump attacks end when Gavin is gone. 1875 01:35:11.079 --> 01:35:14.760 How would you manage that relationship differently than him or 1876 01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:17.840 or continuity would I. 1877 01:35:17.800 --> 01:35:21.079 Mean, the way I think about it is there's a 1878 01:35:21.119 --> 01:35:24.479 set of things that are just redlines for me and 1879 01:35:24.520 --> 01:35:27.079 for the state of California. We're going to fight to 1880 01:35:27.159 --> 01:35:30.640 protect our vulnerable neighbors. We're going to push back on ICE. 1881 01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:33.680 We're going to fight to protect constitutional freedoms. We're going 1882 01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:35.960 to fight for our fair share federal funding. There are 1883 01:35:35.960 --> 01:35:40.880 a number of areas where, unfortunately, we are going to 1884 01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:43.359 have to fight fire with fire, As Governor Newsom has said, 1885 01:35:43.439 --> 01:35:45.640 and in San Jose, I've led us to sue the 1886 01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:50.279 Trump administration multiple times. We've used our budget to backfill cuts. 1887 01:35:50.399 --> 01:35:56.279 We've were funding legal services for immigrant neighbors who are 1888 01:35:56.439 --> 01:36:00.520 at risk of deportation. We've banned ICE's use of masks 1889 01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:05.680 and their use of public property. So I will use 1890 01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:09.840 every tool in the toolbox, legal, budgetary, bully pulpit, whatever 1891 01:36:09.880 --> 01:36:14.000 tools we have to fight back. I do want to 1892 01:36:14.119 --> 01:36:17.560 go back to the place I started, which is I 1893 01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:20.520 also think that we've got to take ownership of our 1894 01:36:20.560 --> 01:36:25.119 shortcomings and start solving highly visible and visceral problems that 1895 01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:29.600 affect people every day. I mean this may sound superficial, 1896 01:36:29.680 --> 01:36:32.720 but when people drive around Los Angeles and see the 1897 01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:35.319 state of the freeways and see thousands of people living 1898 01:36:35.319 --> 01:36:39.000 outside in misery and tents and trash and fires and graffiti, 1899 01:36:39.079 --> 01:36:42.199 it just undermines our credibility. It underminds trusting government. It 1900 01:36:42.199 --> 01:36:45.439 makes it that much harder to stand for something different 1901 01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:47.319 that people can believe in. And I'm not pretending that 1902 01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:49.319 the Republicans have got it all right. They've got plenty 1903 01:36:49.319 --> 01:36:51.840 of problems, and Red states have plenty of problems. We 1904 01:36:52.399 --> 01:36:55.439 do a better job in many ways at being economically 1905 01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:59.439 inclusive and certainly more welcoming socially and politically. But I 1906 01:36:59.640 --> 01:37:02.920 just I think we've got to also fix our fundamental problems, 1907 01:37:02.960 --> 01:37:05.520 starting with the high cost of housing. Until we grapple 1908 01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:06.760 with that, I don't think we're going to be a 1909 01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:08.279 very effective resistance. 1910 01:37:08.359 --> 01:37:10.720 Yeah. My last question for you is about housing, which 1911 01:37:10.760 --> 01:37:14.199 is in California, we have something called Prop thirteen. I'm 1912 01:37:14.239 --> 01:37:16.520 sure you know about it. Listeners naturally don't as passed 1913 01:37:16.520 --> 01:37:20.079 in the late seventies, Younger Californians mostly hate it because 1914 01:37:20.079 --> 01:37:23.159 it means that new home buyers pay much higher property 1915 01:37:23.199 --> 01:37:26.399 taxes on like the identical house to someone who bought 1916 01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:28.079 it forty years earlier. You can correct me if I'm 1917 01:37:28.079 --> 01:37:30.199 getting the deatos or I'm shorthanding this. It creates this 1918 01:37:30.279 --> 01:37:33.920 general unfairness and it can lock up housing supply because 1919 01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:36.560 if you're a senior, you're not going to downsize if 1920 01:37:36.600 --> 01:37:39.000 that means you're going to pay a much higher property tax, right, 1921 01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:42.000 you want to lock in that privileged tax rate over time. 1922 01:37:42.039 --> 01:37:45.560 Prop thirteen is gutted revenue for California's public schools, and 1923 01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:48.520 like smart, kind of wonky people I know almost literally 1924 01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:51.159 will blame it for like all of California's problems. Right, 1925 01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:53.199 there are number of books to that, yes, and so 1926 01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:58.239 like Sadly, it feels politically impossible to repeal the thing 1927 01:37:58.439 --> 01:38:02.520 because propensity to vote. Seniors like it because it keeps 1928 01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:05.520 their property taxes low. So like, what do we do here? 1929 01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:08.079 How do we bring some fairness to property tax collection 1930 01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:12.039 and unfreeze the housing market with this anchor around our neck? 1931 01:38:12.279 --> 01:38:12.520 Yeah? 1932 01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:13.399 How many hours do you have? 1933 01:38:14.520 --> 01:38:15.720 I mean Thursday? 1934 01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:16.520 Yeah? 1935 01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:20.560 I think one is just across the board. Our housing 1936 01:38:20.600 --> 01:38:22.720 issues come down to a lack of supply, so we 1937 01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:25.159 need to build more housing, and that will slow down 1938 01:38:25.279 --> 01:38:28.279 the rate at which the value of housing goes up, 1939 01:38:28.319 --> 01:38:31.439 which will help moderate property tax increases. The reason Prop 1940 01:38:31.479 --> 01:38:35.600 thirteen was passed was property tax increases were happening so 1941 01:38:35.760 --> 01:38:37.600 fast that people were literally getting pushed out of their 1942 01:38:37.600 --> 01:38:40.000 homes because they couldn't keep pace with the rising costs. 1943 01:38:40.039 --> 01:38:42.079 So it doesn't freeze it, but it caps it at 1944 01:38:42.119 --> 01:38:44.079 a one and a half percent increase per year, which 1945 01:38:44.079 --> 01:38:46.920 you could argue is too low. Maybe to properly have 1946 01:38:46.960 --> 01:38:50.039 a more functioning market, it should be higher, Right, That's 1947 01:38:50.039 --> 01:38:52.680 a debate you could have. I think there are some 1948 01:38:52.800 --> 01:38:56.279 pragmatic things that it could be politically feasible. One is 1949 01:38:57.399 --> 01:39:00.960 we should enable older residents to take their property tax 1950 01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:04.680 benefit with them if they downsize, so that we can 1951 01:39:04.760 --> 01:39:09.359 free up that housing stock. So if you're an older couple, 1952 01:39:09.600 --> 01:39:11.960 or you're living alone and you've got four bedrooms and 1953 01:39:11.960 --> 01:39:15.920 a suburban neighborhood somewhere, if we could incentivize you to 1954 01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:18.840 capture that benefit and continue to have low property taxes 1955 01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:21.319 by moving into a condo by the beach, like great 1956 01:39:21.359 --> 01:39:24.840 we should allow for that flexibility and fluidity in the market. 1957 01:39:25.279 --> 01:39:28.039 Another thing that could be done is you could say, well, 1958 01:39:28.479 --> 01:39:30.680 having property taxes go up more than one and a 1959 01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:33.720 half percent per year could price people out. But what 1960 01:39:33.840 --> 01:39:36.720 if some of that actually accrued over time and then 1961 01:39:36.840 --> 01:39:38.720 was assessed at the time that you sold the home, 1962 01:39:39.359 --> 01:39:41.760 And so that way you're not getting hit each year 1963 01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:44.319 with a larger, larger property tax bill that you can't 1964 01:39:44.359 --> 01:39:46.840 afford when you're raising kids or whatever else you're doing. 1965 01:39:47.119 --> 01:39:50.720 But when you eventually sell the house, presumably the house 1966 01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:53.479 has appreciated. That's why your property taxes are going up. 1967 01:39:53.880 --> 01:39:56.000 That then gets paid back in. But I would also 1968 01:39:56.159 --> 01:39:59.479 just note I don't I think Prop thirteen reform is 1969 01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:03.159 about fairness and distortions in the market. I think it's 1970 01:40:03.159 --> 01:40:06.880 a mistake for Democrats to make it a big revenue generator, 1971 01:40:06.920 --> 01:40:10.279 because the truth is, while it did reduce revenues to 1972 01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:13.359 the state and to school districts, after it passed, we 1973 01:40:13.399 --> 01:40:16.000 went and found a bunch of other sources of revenue. 1974 01:40:16.039 --> 01:40:18.960 We created an income tax, we tax capital gains, we 1975 01:40:19.039 --> 01:40:23.560 tax businesses, We tax everything. So our overall tax burden 1976 01:40:23.960 --> 01:40:26.079 is the second highest or third high, depending on you 1977 01:40:26.079 --> 01:40:29.000 measure it third highest in the country I've noticed. Yeah, yeah, 1978 01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:31.760 so you're experiencing it. We found other ways to tax. 1979 01:40:32.119 --> 01:40:34.600 You're right, we could talk about this forever, but you 1980 01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:36.600 had a lot of things to do. Where can people 1981 01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:40.199 find your campaign if they want to get involved, support you, knockdoors, 1982 01:40:40.199 --> 01:40:40.880 donate whatever. 1983 01:40:41.079 --> 01:40:44.800 Yeah, thanks for the opportunity. I appreciate all great questions. 1984 01:40:44.920 --> 01:40:50.319 And my website is Mayhean Maha n for California dot com. 1985 01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:52.399 You can find me on social media. If you have 1986 01:40:52.399 --> 01:40:55.920 any follow up questions to this interview, shoot me an email. Otherwise, 1987 01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:57.039 hope to see folks out there. 1988 01:40:57.079 --> 01:40:59.239 Excellent, mister Mary, thank you so much for coming. 1989 01:40:59.039 --> 01:40:59.840 In, Thanks for having me. 1990 01:41:06.640 --> 01:41:08.359 That's our show for today. Thanks to Matt Mahon for 1991 01:41:08.399 --> 01:41:10.199 stopping by. 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