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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole, hope you and yours have a lovely holiday weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's a holiday for iHeart, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is still a holiday for most of the people in

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<v Speaker 2>the audience. And whether you're celebrating Columbus Day or Indigenous

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<v Speaker 2>People's Day, have at it and enjoy yourself. And let's

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<v Speaker 2>hope that the Patriots switch at quarterback produce some positive results.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel a little badly for Jacoby Brissett, who I

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<v Speaker 2>think has taking a beating but kept on ticking for

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<v Speaker 2>five games and has a classy guy when he was

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<v Speaker 2>removed from the starting position. My name's Dan Ray. A

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<v Speaker 2>little kind of top of the head comments there. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is Dan Ray. I'm the host of Nightside, heard

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<v Speaker 2>every Monday through Friday night right here on WBZ, Boston's

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<v Speaker 2>WBZ Radio that is, we have Rob Brooks is back

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<v Speaker 2>in the control room tonight. I think Rob's flying the

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<v Speaker 2>plane solo tonight, so we can't crash. Rob, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in good hands with you and your associate. Dan

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<v Speaker 2>did a good job. Rob's gonna have a few days

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<v Speaker 2>off in the next couple of weeks. He generally likes

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<v Speaker 2>to take his vacations around Halloween, and that part of

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<v Speaker 2>the year is very important to Rob. Correct Rob, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not telling something that's not true. Correct, Yes, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just cue it and tell me. I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure he loves the theatrics of Halloween. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>Rob is a kid at heart, well anyway, but most

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<v Speaker 2>of you know that because he called. When you call,

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<v Speaker 2>you talk to Rob first before you talk to me.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get right to our guest tonight. Four very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting guests. We're talking about bagels, baseball dreams, and a

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<v Speaker 2>scam alert, so we get a lot it's interest. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>start off with Diane Bear. She's a Boston Globe reporter

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<v Speaker 2>slash contributor, and she went and covered New York City's

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<v Speaker 2>Bagel Fest, where a Cambridge bagel was the toast. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't say the toast of the town was it was

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<v Speaker 2>the best of the fest or the bagel of the

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<v Speaker 2>Big Apple, Diane, How are you loved your piece in

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<v Speaker 2>the Globe. By the way, I'm not a bagel guy,

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<v Speaker 2>but almost maybe wanted to try them.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you tonight, Ian?

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<v Speaker 3>Great? Thank you so much. It's been a long week.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think we need to bring some big bagel energy,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, to Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Sing Yeah, I'm a I'm a Dunkin Donuts guy when

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<v Speaker 2>whenever I can in the mornings, to be really.

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<v Speaker 3>Honest with you, So not a bagel guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, well, I'm a glaistick guy, you know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I was amazed at the variety of bagels,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was also a ride amazed to see that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a store down there called.

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<v Speaker 3>Pop Up, Yeah, pop Up Bagels. It's it's actually it's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of funny because it's the big trendy New York

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<v Speaker 3>City bagel place now. And when I went for the

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<v Speaker 3>when I went on a bagel tour there, it was

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<v Speaker 3>the first stop and they were like eighty people lined

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<v Speaker 3>up at this bagel shop in the middle of the day,

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<v Speaker 3>and I thought, man, you know, what are they making

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<v Speaker 3>in there? But it turns out it's like if New

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<v Speaker 3>Yorkers see a line of people, they just happen, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that's kind of what happened. But Paul

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<v Speaker 3>Rudd is one of the investors, and Paul Rudd, to me,

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<v Speaker 3>it looks like a very good testimonial for eating bagels, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Why not, well give it, give it a shot. I

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<v Speaker 2>was addressed when I said, pop up. I have a

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<v Speaker 2>grant my wife, and I have a grandson whose name

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<v Speaker 2>is Benjamin, and people were trying to figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted to call me, and somehow someway they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>me to be called Papa, and I said, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>really like that. Call me pop up because I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>big baseball guy. So now it looks as if this

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<v Speaker 2>bagel chain stole.

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<v Speaker 4>My oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so now I can say they did. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, they're they're growing too. They're gonna, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>they're trying to have like a hundred bagel shops in

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<v Speaker 3>like this year or something. This place is growing like crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>so you're gonna be like, you know, maybe you could

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<v Speaker 3>be like the face of pop Up Bagel, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>instead of Paul Rudd. I get your face on some

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<v Speaker 2>You probably shouldn't have admitted to you that I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a bagel leader. No, I might have made a.

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<v Speaker 1>Mistake that.

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<v Speaker 3>They haven't found your bagel?

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<v Speaker 2>So how did this cambridge is called bagel or us almost.

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<v Speaker 3>Like bagelsaurus, like a dinosaur bagels.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, bagel saurus. But I kind of read it like

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<v Speaker 2>you like bagels or us. But that's okay, okay, bagel.

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<v Speaker 3>St you know, you know what, it's so weird because

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<v Speaker 3>I never saw that. So that's the you are.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we could pronounce in Boston as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>are meaning ar r, you know, au are or US.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Just maybe it should be one of those like Internet

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<v Speaker 3>like left brain right brain things like if you see

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<v Speaker 3>it as bagel rus or if you see it like

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<v Speaker 3>the blue dress and the gold dress, remember that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that stuff and it drove me crazy because

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<v Speaker 2>I was always in disagreement. So so they won the

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<v Speaker 2>best bagel in New York. That's like the Red Sox

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<v Speaker 2>going in and sweeping the Yankees then.

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<v Speaker 3>Going over Can you believe it?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you believe that that's the next weekend? Yeah? That's

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<v Speaker 2>good though, because you think about.

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<v Speaker 3>It it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, well, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, and they're in twenty fourteen, so they're not they're

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<v Speaker 3>even kind of a newcomer. They open in twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 3>and they do sort of a sour dough kind of

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<v Speaker 3>fermenting process, so they do it a little bit differently.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'll tell you I didn't even stuff the ballot

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<v Speaker 3>box when I voted. It was so tempting, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>but I so it was clearly it was a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it was the bagel experts and the attendees, like the

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen hundred or some people at City Field that were

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<v Speaker 3>at this event that voted for them. So they, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they really they did us proud, big respect.

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<v Speaker 2>Now did you go down there on your own to

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<v Speaker 2>write this piece? It was this a tasty assignment that

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<v Speaker 2>the Globe gave you.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, it was an assignment because I had pitched it initially.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I just I love doing a food story

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<v Speaker 3>because they're just really fun to do. And Globe readers

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<v Speaker 3>get so fired up about these stories, whether it's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's pizza Beslabster old, that's Boston cream Pie, they really

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<v Speaker 3>get fired up. So I found out that there was

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<v Speaker 3>a bagel making class in New York, and I thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that sounds kind of cool, that's like worth a trip.

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<v Speaker 3>And then then when I I sort of dug went

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<v Speaker 3>down the rabbit hole of bagels, I guess down the

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<v Speaker 3>bagel hole, I found out that they were that there

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<v Speaker 3>was this bagel festival going on and you could do

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<v Speaker 3>a bagel tour of like the best places in town.

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<v Speaker 3>And I said, that sounds even more fun. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>is anybody really going to spend one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>bucks to learn how to make bagels when you could

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<v Speaker 3>get lots of good bagels and cream cheese, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for that amount. So I pitched it to my editor,

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<v Speaker 3>I said, what do you know, what do you think

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<v Speaker 3>about the bagel fest? At that time, we didn't even

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<v Speaker 3>know that local bagel places were going to show up,

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<v Speaker 3>so it was just a happy accident that they get

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<v Speaker 3>bagelsaurus did us proud? And and there was a Nantucket

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<v Speaker 3>Bakery there as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. What's great about it was that you showed great flexibility.

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<v Speaker 2>You started out talking about learning the craft of bagel making,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you realize, why do I need to know

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<v Speaker 2>the craft when you have all these places? So you

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<v Speaker 2>would effect called a good really good audible okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully Drake audibles this weekend. So we're kind of working.

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<v Speaker 5>Everything in here together.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, you're you're working there, you are.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying. I'm trying, you know, for the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the week. I'm trying my best. Okay. I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big I am a subscriber to The Globe.

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<v Speaker 2>As I've often said, I'm a huge, uh fan of

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<v Speaker 2>the sports page and the Globe, and that's why I

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<v Speaker 2>really get the group and also features like yourself the

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<v Speaker 2>travel guy. Yeah, not so crazy about the editorial page,

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<v Speaker 2>but we'll leave that for another time. Uh. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to you know, I no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no no no no no. We'll we'll we'll keep it.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll keep it real. And look, I am I am

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<v Speaker 2>delighted to talk to you. I happen to love your

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<v Speaker 2>passion because I think the best thing. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>a young reporter one time, way back in the last

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<v Speaker 2>century and television and the greatest set of a reporter

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<v Speaker 2>like yourself. You clearly are intelligent, but when you have

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<v Speaker 2>passion for the story, it comes through with the story,

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<v Speaker 2>both in the writing of the story, the reading of

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<v Speaker 2>the story and the telling of the story, and you

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<v Speaker 2>have passion. You're gonna be thank you career ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>you and you've already you already have a career, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to do great things in this business. Diane,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, and have a bagel on me this weekend.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>So, and I think I think you should definitely go.

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<v Speaker 3>You call it bagel Horus or Bagelsaurus. You're really out

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<v Speaker 3>to give those guys a try, because and the one

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<v Speaker 3>you have to try is the pretzel bagel with roat.

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<v Speaker 3>You like pretzels rosemary, Yes, I do pretzel bagel with

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<v Speaker 3>the honeys rosemary cream cheese. And you will you'll thank

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<v Speaker 3>me later, I promise.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, Diane, there of the Boston Globe reporting

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<v Speaker 2>on a victory, a victory for Boston Bagels in the

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<v Speaker 2>Big Apple. Simple as that. All right, Thanks DaLie, you

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<v Speaker 2>have a great weekend. Okay, thank you. We came back

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<v Speaker 2>to talk. I want to go to a baseball game tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>The Red Sox are not playing. They're not playing either

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<v Speaker 2>here in Boston or anywhere else. But there is a

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<v Speaker 2>baseball game going on this weekend which will entail one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred innings of baseball to benefit ALS Research. Talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Ian Hadley of the Angel Fund coming right back on

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<v Speaker 2>Night Side. This is one that might work out for

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>B the baseball season in Boston and a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago. Wait on next year. The truck leaves for

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<v Speaker 2>spring to raining right after the first of February, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that far off. However, if you need a

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<v Speaker 2>little baseball fixed tomorrow, all you have to be is

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<v Speaker 2>and we had an email exchange kind of worked out

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<v Speaker 2>little earlier, but hey, under the Wire is perfect. Glad

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the twenty first annual Oneings of Baseball benefiting

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<v Speaker 2>ALS Research. Tell us soon starts at nine o'clock. Are

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<v Speaker 6>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>The baseball game is like no other. It goes one

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<v Speaker 4>o'clock in the morning tomorrow on Saturday, Doctor Robert Brown.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually you will be throwing out the first pitch for us,

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<v Speaker 2>Use the ALS. Doctor Robert Brown should need no introduction

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that's right after doctor Brown does throw out the

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<v Speaker 4>first pitch, the gag gets underway and oneings of play,

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<v Speaker 4>probably about thirty six hours without of baseball, and it

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<v Speaker 2>We have this is this is not an expedited game,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning it's not one of these things where two strikes

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<v Speaker 2>for a strikeout and three strikes for a ball. This

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the longest game in the history of baseball

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<v Speaker 2>was that game down in Pawtucko, Rhode Islands, many years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>which went I was about twenty three innings or something

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<v Speaker 2>another time. So obviously you got a field with some

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<v Speaker 2>good sets of lights. As I understated, it as a

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<v Speaker 2>registration fee of seventy five dollars per player, and I

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<v Speaker 2>assume people can make contributions who might just come to

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<v Speaker 2>watch this display. How many ringers are you going to

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<v Speaker 2>throw ninety mile an hour pitches or any what's the

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<v Speaker 4>There's quite a bit of range. We have a lot

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<v Speaker 6>We probably have about.

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<v Speaker 4>Between fifty and seventy players. Players can come down and

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<v Speaker 4>play for two innings for innings all hundred. We have

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<v Speaker 4>some iron men and I and women that will play

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<v Speaker 4>all one hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you how do you start at nine o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>That's extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, it is amazing. And they're all dedicated to

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<v Speaker 4>raising funds for ALI research. We have umpires that come

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<v Speaker 4>in as well that donate their time. We have one

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<v Speaker 4>mayn cruise. They come in every two hours and they

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<v Speaker 4>come in on Saturday and play for a few hours,

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<v Speaker 4>come back in the middle of the night during Saturday night,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's amazing player registers. Okay, do these teams have

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<v Speaker 2>team names or is it pretty much when you get there,

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<v Speaker 2>do you get a signed to one team or the

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<v Speaker 2>other or is it a very informal sort of game

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<v Speaker 2>where you can play few winnings for one side, few

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<v Speaker 2>winnings for the other, It doesn't really matter.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I think it's a dedicated team. When you do

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<v Speaker 4>then you will play however many innings you can. And and

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<v Speaker 4>then like I said, you know, some some of our players,

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<v Speaker 4>men and women, have gone all one hundred innings. We've

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<v Speaker 4>actually had an engagement on the field one year and

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<v Speaker 4>that has been a wife come back every year to

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<v Speaker 4>play with us. So it's an amazing group of people.

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<v Speaker 2>So they got engaged. Wow, talk about true love for

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<v Speaker 2>baseball and each other. Unbelievable. So what do you hope

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<v Speaker 2>to raise this weekend? Realistically? What do you think?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I can tell you after this year. I think

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<v Speaker 4>that the total that they've raised over the past there'll

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<v Speaker 4>be twenty one years is close to nine hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>fifty thousand dollars for als research. That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Kick it out it is fifty dollars. You'd be you'd

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<v Speaker 2>be you've been doing this for twenty one years. What

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<v Speaker 4>It's become all like a family. Some of the baseball

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<v Speaker 4>players see each other off of the season and some

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<v Speaker 4>just see each other, you know, just once a year,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's really become a family type situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Who came up with the idea initially of twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, which you know would have been two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and two or two thousand and three. Who came up

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there was a group of players that came together

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<v Speaker 4>and of course baseball is associated, you know, with Luke

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<v Speaker 4>Erick and all that, so they decided they would raise

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<v Speaker 2>It's also associated with Pete Frady's of Boston College, the

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<v Speaker 2>Catfish Hunter, the Great Hall of Fame pitcher for Oakland.

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<v Speaker 2>Pinky's passed away from the ALS. We've we've seen more

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<v Speaker 4>Of our action. One of our old andizes is Walter Benson.

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<v Speaker 4>for many years now. And you know Rich Kennedy, he's

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<v Speaker 4>will be there the whole hundred innings and stay up

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<v Speaker 4>and support the team players. So it's an amazing it's

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I wish you the best of luck with it,

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<v Speaker 2>and please say hello to everyone there for us, and

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's not too late to join. So if

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<v Speaker 2>someone has their cleats all polished tonight, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be a little dangerous, but you have to come dress

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<v Speaker 2>for the game, right, You have to have your own

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<v Speaker 2>glove and all of that and to show up. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you have you ever had I meant I meant

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<v Speaker 2>this seriously before and I asked you the question. You

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<v Speaker 2>ask you one more time. Did you ever have like

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<v Speaker 6>Like, oh, we have a couple.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've had a couple of those. Yes, but do

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<v Speaker 2>Or no?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've had some Major League Baseball players come to

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<v Speaker 4>a few games, well with her, Kurt Schilling. In the past,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you should have a list the next time we

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<v Speaker 2>publicized this. That's what That's what the crowd, the audience

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<v Speaker 2>we'll were thinking of. They get there. If you get

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<v Speaker 2>Kurt Schilling or Lou Maloney, maybe get a couple of autographs,

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<v Speaker 2>watch a few winnings in baseball? How do you beat

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<v Speaker 2>that on Saturday? Whether it's Saturday morning, Saturday afternoon, Saturday night,

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday morning, Sunday afternoon or whatever. And as always, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for much for joining us, and best of luck.

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<v Speaker 2>If I was close it to Quincy, I would be there,

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<v Speaker 2>but unfortunately I am what we call out of pocket. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks Anne, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>And people can go to the Angel fundat to work

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<v Speaker 2>Sure they go there, and if they like to make

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. Thank you so much, Ian Hadley, the Chief

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<v Speaker 2>to a subject that everybody should be interested in. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you dream in color or black and white? Uh? There's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of science to this, but I got to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you dreams. Dreams are tough to remember. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know. I have no clue if which color, whether

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<v Speaker 2>I dream in color or black and white. There are

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<v Speaker 2>some nights when I dream some nights when I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that's most of you, most of us are

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<v Speaker 2>like that. We're going to get We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>with a psychologist of religion specializing in dream research. How

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<v Speaker 2>Sleep and Dream Database. Her name is Kelly Bucley. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of the hour here on a Friday night

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<v Speaker 1>It's Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Ori, welcome back, everybody. Do you dream? And do you

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<v Speaker 2>dream in color of black and white? That's the big question.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to introduce to you a PhD Doctor Kelly Bucley.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a psychologist of religion specializing in dream research. Doctor

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, Bulky Bulky, Okay, I got it right.

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<v Speaker 6>You did it the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Uh, And it is uh it is Bulky Bulky,

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<v Speaker 2>so that he is silent in there, right, Bulkeley? Okay, great,

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Bulkeley, welcome. You're a psychologist in religion specializing in

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<v Speaker 2>dream research. I wouldn't think that those two would in interconnect.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us why?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Well, the study of dreams goes back beyond just

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<v Speaker 6>the past couple of hundred years of psychology to look

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<v Speaker 6>at cultures throughout history that have talked about dreams, often

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<v Speaker 6>in religious languages, but not necessarily always about you know,

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<v Speaker 6>gods and demons, but just the human phenomenon of dreaming.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's that's what I study.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so let's let's talk about it. Because I

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<v Speaker 2>happen to be a big believer in dreams. I'm someone

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<v Speaker 2>I dream and I wake up in the morning and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm conscious the dreams floats away. How normal is that?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's pretty typical that that that there will be

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<v Speaker 6>some recollection just upon wakening, but then often in the

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<v Speaker 6>light of day and the beginning of our activities, that

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<v Speaker 6>memory will will fade. Some dreams are different and will

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<v Speaker 6>sort of knock you on the head and say, no,

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<v Speaker 6>you are going to remember this, And psychologically speaking, those

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have reoccurring dreams. And again I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>in the second semester of your third year, and you

424
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<v Speaker 2>forgot that you were so confident you didn't go to course,

425
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<v Speaker 2>to classes until about the beginning of May for this

426
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<v Speaker 2>one course you have to take. Yeah, it's kind of

427
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<v Speaker 2>an elective, but it's but you have to read a

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<v Speaker 2>book and write a paper and then take take an

429
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<v Speaker 2>examine on Monday, and you just are running out of time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm told that's a pretty common dream.

431
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, no, it really is. And in fact, there examples

432
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<v Speaker 6>of like exam dreams and test related dreams going back

433
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<v Speaker 6>like almost two thousand years in ancient China when they

434
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<v Speaker 6>had to take exams for the civil service. Goes way

435
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<v Speaker 6>back in Confucian culture, there are records of people having

436
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<v Speaker 6>these anxious dreams before their tests.

437
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<v Speaker 2>So that's where civil service started.

438
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<v Speaker 6>That's where said, I mean, it goes way back, and

439
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<v Speaker 6>so uh yeah, so there's something about the the anxiety

440
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<v Speaker 6>at that formative time of life that that can either

441
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<v Speaker 6>be triggered by something in our present day lives or

442
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<v Speaker 6>just as kind of a constant echo, you know, throughout

443
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<v Speaker 6>our lives. Just that's the way it is.

444
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's it's I guess it's something that you've

445
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<v Speaker 2>prepped for. Maybe maybe the anxiety that I never have

446
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<v Speaker 2>a dream about the days before the bar exam, which

447
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<v Speaker 2>which passed it on the first time. Never had a

448
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<v Speaker 2>dream about that, but there's always one of those things.

449
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<v Speaker 2>What was it? What are some of the other dreams

450
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<v Speaker 2>that people frequently dream about?

451
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<v Speaker 6>Uh, you know, yeah, well there's there's a classic yeah,

452
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<v Speaker 6>the classic duo of of flying and falling. Uh where

453
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<v Speaker 6>there's you know, there's sort of these gravitational experiences when

454
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<v Speaker 6>we're lying flat presumably in bed nothing's really happening, but

455
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<v Speaker 6>in dreams were either soaring through the cloud like birds

456
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<v Speaker 6>or falling off a cliff, you know, and and in terrors.

457
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<v Speaker 6>So those are those are very common. Uh again, not

458
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<v Speaker 6>not just in present day, but but through history and

459
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<v Speaker 6>across cultures.

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<v Speaker 2>So, okay, I'm going to tell you my my my

461
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<v Speaker 2>airplane dream.

462
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<v Speaker 6>Okay, okay, fly.

463
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<v Speaker 2>I fly a lot, I've flown a lot in my life.

464
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<v Speaker 2>I'm always you know, thinking, you know, be careful, be careful.

465
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<v Speaker 2>I'm on a plane and we're flying really low, and

466
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<v Speaker 2>we're flying underneath overpasses. The plane is just getting through

467
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<v Speaker 2>by about two feet on each side every time. Right,

468
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<v Speaker 2>What what the heck would that be about? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Well, the dreams often right sort of they often

470
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<v Speaker 6>speak sort of metaphorically, and so it's like, well, there's

471
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<v Speaker 6>something going on in waking life that that a good

472
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<v Speaker 6>comparison would be like an airplane that's barely able to

473
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<v Speaker 6>stay above ground and it's barely avoiding, you know, obstacles

474
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<v Speaker 6>of one kind and another. So this goes back, believe

475
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<v Speaker 6>it or not, to the Greek phosphor Aristotle, who batically

476
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<v Speaker 6>said that the skill of being a dream interpreter is

477
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<v Speaker 6>observing resemblances between the dreams and things in your waking life.

478
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<v Speaker 6>So that's pretty much true, and that's that's Uh, it's

479
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<v Speaker 6>sometimes as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think that's the subconscious at work, and

481
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<v Speaker 2>I can I will, yes anymore O dreams, but there's always.

482
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<v Speaker 6>Something, truly, I go on and on with me, but.

483
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<v Speaker 2>Different, different connections. Okay, let's talk about the subject of

484
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<v Speaker 2>dreaming in black and white. In color, I don't see

485
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<v Speaker 2>a difference. I don't dream of COLORAD don't dream in black.

486
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<v Speaker 2>It's just dreams. So some people VI remember black and

487
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<v Speaker 2>white dreams as opposed to color dreams, technic color dreams.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, this is a This has been a longstanding

489
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<v Speaker 6>topic in to be it might be viewed in modern

490
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<v Speaker 6>Western dream research. This is not an issue for Australian

491
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<v Speaker 6>Aborigines or ancient Egyptians. They don't talk about black and

492
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<v Speaker 6>white persons color dreams.

493
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<v Speaker 2>This I didn't have to they didn't have color TV.

494
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<v Speaker 6>Right, Well, this is the thing I kind of call it.

495
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<v Speaker 2>I'm just having a little bit of fun here.

496
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<v Speaker 5>Go ahead.

497
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<v Speaker 6>No, it's exactly true. That's that's when there is black

498
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<v Speaker 6>and white TV and movies that really influenced people's dreams.

499
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<v Speaker 5>We know that.

500
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<v Speaker 6>And then color TV and movies come along and that

501
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:22.079
<v Speaker 6>influences people's dreams. So yeah, yeah, I it's it's it's

502
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<v Speaker 6>fun to talk about. It's it's but the reality is

503
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<v Speaker 6>that that there are recurrent patterns of colors throughout people's dreams.

504
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<v Speaker 6>I mean, colors are symbolically meaningful sometimes so uh. And

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<v Speaker 6>sometimes people do dream in kind of a monochrome, kind

506
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<v Speaker 6>of a just a gray scale. That's that's that's not

507
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<v Speaker 6>unheard of.

508
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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you must dream yourself, I saw right, So

509
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:51.519
<v Speaker 2>you're in your dreams, dreams that you have and how

510
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<v Speaker 2>you pulled it, pulled it together, use it, give us

511
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<v Speaker 2>an example of yours, which might help people today who

512
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<v Speaker 2>are trying to figure out their dream when they wake

513
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<v Speaker 2>up tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, well so so okay, so yeah, So last

515
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<v Speaker 6>night I simple dream. I'm walking along. I see a

516
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<v Speaker 6>black like that's called an ox, like a cowern ox,

517
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<v Speaker 6>and it's a big one and I'm like, oh, that's

518
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:15.640
<v Speaker 6>kind of weird. And then I see to my right

519
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.559
<v Speaker 6>a little black ox. I'm like, oh, they've gotten separated.

520
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:20.640
<v Speaker 6>And I try to get the little black ox and

521
00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:22.559
<v Speaker 6>I think it must be its mother. I'm like, no,

522
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:25.039
<v Speaker 6>you've gotten separated from your mother. You have to go back.

523
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<v Speaker 6>But instead the little ox shoots down the hill and

524
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:31.480
<v Speaker 6>someden I see a coyote chasing after it, and I'm like, oh,

525
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<v Speaker 6>that's bad.

526
00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:33.440
<v Speaker 5>But like, but what do I do?

527
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:38.119
<v Speaker 6>There's nothing. I can't do anything. I'm I'm there's nothing

528
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:39.880
<v Speaker 6>I can do. The situation is out of my hands.

529
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<v Speaker 6>And I wake up and I record the dream as

530
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<v Speaker 6>I do, and I come to the phrase of like,

531
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<v Speaker 6>you know, separated from the mother, and you have to

532
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:53.039
<v Speaker 6>go back, and the little box doesn't want to and

533
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<v Speaker 6>shoots down and yes, gets in danger, but also has

534
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<v Speaker 6>this is on its own. And I, even at my

535
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<v Speaker 6>advanced age, I think themes of independence and how how

536
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:11.400
<v Speaker 6>we relate to whatever we consider mother or comfort or

537
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:20.480
<v Speaker 6>safety versus independence that may bring danger and may bring uncertainty.

538
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<v Speaker 6>It felt when I woke up that took a moment

539
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:28.000
<v Speaker 6>for that to come together. But when I came to

540
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<v Speaker 6>that for that phrase, it's like, oh, separated from the mother,

541
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<v Speaker 6>and like, well, you know, what's my role in that?

542
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<v Speaker 6>How am I mediating that?

543
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<v Speaker 2>So you said something which was interesting, that you write

544
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<v Speaker 2>your dreams down, So that might be a good habit

545
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<v Speaker 2>for people to have a piece of paper or pad

546
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<v Speaker 2>and a pa.

547
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<v Speaker 6>Yes, and we're in the golden era. I mean I

548
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<v Speaker 6>won't Well, I'm an unpaid consultant for an online app

549
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<v Speaker 6>called Elsewhere that uses AI tools to create images and

550
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:06.319
<v Speaker 6>interpretations of dreams like Lickety Split. In ways that I

551
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:08.640
<v Speaker 6>thought I was going to be a hater, I mean,

552
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<v Speaker 6>I wanted to observe them to make sure they didn't

553
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<v Speaker 6>do anything horrible. And I'm very surprised at how effective

554
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<v Speaker 6>these these tools are becoming. So yes, people can learn

555
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<v Speaker 6>all sorts of wonderful things. I mean, you can always

556
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<v Speaker 6>talk to people, of course, it's always necessary, but some

557
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<v Speaker 6>of these these online tools are becoming really helpful.

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<v Speaker 2>I think interesting, interesting. I've really enjoyed this conversation. Could

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<v Speaker 2>I get you to come back, Well, I'd love to

560
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<v Speaker 2>have you come back and do an hour. During this hour,

561
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<v Speaker 2>we don't learn phone calls from listeners, but I think

562
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<v Speaker 2>you would be a great guest to talk to some

563
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<v Speaker 2>of my listeners. We're on from AID until midnight here

564
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<v Speaker 2>in the East. I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, yeah, no, it's I love hearing people hear

566
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<v Speaker 6>their experiences.

567
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<v Speaker 5>That's great.

568
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:01.440
<v Speaker 6>I learned all sorts of new thing. There's always something

569
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<v Speaker 6>new under the sun and dream research.

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<v Speaker 2>So the movement, I should say, one of my best dreams. Okay,

571
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<v Speaker 2>you know, we talk about terrifying dreams and horrible dreams

572
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<v Speaker 2>as a young lawyer. As a lawyer, I represented a

573
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<v Speaker 2>National Hockey League players and knew quite a bit about

574
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<v Speaker 2>the game and played in high school a little bit

575
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<v Speaker 2>of college, and I had this great dream every once

576
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<v Speaker 2>in a while that I'm actually playing in the National

577
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<v Speaker 2>Hockey League and it's obviously my mind. I wasn't ever

578
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<v Speaker 2>going to get close to that status, but I could

579
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<v Speaker 2>when I had that dream. And I wake up in

580
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.839
<v Speaker 2>the morning, the game never ends, but I'm there, and

581
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 2>the crowd's there, and I'm in uniform, and it's a

582
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<v Speaker 2>very cool dream and it's it's.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I study yeah, a couple

584
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<v Speaker 6>of years ago on dreams and sports kind of along

585
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<v Speaker 6>those lines. That's that's the thing. Yeah, yeah, all right,

586
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<v Speaker 6>well well yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, doctor Bulkeley, Kelly Bulkeley, let me tell you. I

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<v Speaker 2>we'll call you, We'll have our folks get in touch

589
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:04.559
<v Speaker 2>with him. We'll do an hour and take all of questions. Yeah,

590
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:06.880
<v Speaker 2>that'll be a lot of fun because I'd like to

591
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<v Speaker 2>get my audience involved. We do these interviews in the

592
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:12.400
<v Speaker 2>in the eight o'clock hour, and then nine, ten and eleven,

593
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:15.039
<v Speaker 2>we have guests for an hour and we take we

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<v Speaker 2>take phone calls. So I appreciate if you do that,

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<v Speaker 2>you will be a great guest, A great guest.

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<v Speaker 6>No, well, I love the enthusiasm.

597
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it's your enthusiasm is infectious, and this is

598
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<v Speaker 2>something that I'm interested in. Doctor Kelly Buckley, Bokeley Bulkeley.

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<v Speaker 2>It's b l K E L E Y. But the

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<v Speaker 2>e is silent. Do you have a book out or

601
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<v Speaker 2>something like that that we can give a little plug

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<v Speaker 2>too here or anything?

603
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The latest is called The Spirituality

604
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<v Speaker 6>of Dreaming broad Leaf Press. I could get you a

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<v Speaker 6>copy sent you probably if you like, I mean, certainly.

606
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<v Speaker 2>We'll work that note. I can buy a copy too,

607
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<v Speaker 2>but it's called The Spirituality of Dreaming and they can

608
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<v Speaker 2>look it up probably through Amazon and broad Leaf Press,

609
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<v Speaker 2>that's a big publishing house. Thank you so much, Thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>very very much.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>We will talk again. Thanks, good night. All right, we

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<v Speaker 2>come back when we talk about some AI deep fakes

614
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:26.079
<v Speaker 2>scam alert of Hurricane Helen victims that's on social media,

615
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<v Speaker 2>so you want to listen up. We're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>talked with a friend who's been a guest before, Lieutenant

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<v Speaker 2>Randy Sutton, retired in Las Vegas Police Department, crime expert

618
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<v Speaker 2>and founder of the Wounded Blue Nation White charitable organization,

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<v Speaker 2>whose mission is to improve the lives of injured and

620
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<v Speaker 2>disabled law enforcement officers. Be talking with Lieutenant Randy Sutton

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<v Speaker 2>retired right after this quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray from the Window World night

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<v Speaker 1>Sight Studios on w b Z, the news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope Lieutenant Randy Sutton remembers me, because I remember him.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had him on his guest a couple of times

626
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<v Speaker 2>in the past. He's retired Las Vegas, Nevada Police Department expert,

627
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<v Speaker 2>crime expert, founder of the Wounded Blue and national nationwide

628
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<v Speaker 2>charitable group whose mission it is to improve the lives

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<v Speaker 2>of injured and disabled law enforcement officers. Lieutenant Sutton, Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to Night Side. How are you.

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<v Speaker 5>It is a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet you so. We have a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>AI deep fakes of Hurricane Helen victims that are circulating

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<v Speaker 2>on social media that hurts real people. I'm assuming that

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<v Speaker 2>the most of the people who are the victims of

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<v Speaker 2>Hurricane Helene probably don't have their cell phones working or

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<v Speaker 2>their home phones working. Give us the background of this, Lieutenant,

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<v Speaker 2>if you'd be so kind.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, with people scamming others after tragedies is nothing new.

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<v Speaker 5>We've seen this for years and years and years. But

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<v Speaker 5>the technology that's available now in order to perpetuate these

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<v Speaker 5>scams is is not just increasing, it's more real than ever.

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<v Speaker 5>And so what's happening is people are utilizing AI, which is,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the most incredible converging technology to once again

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<v Speaker 5>scam people out of their money. And you know, here's

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<v Speaker 5>the thing. Americans are very generous, they're very compassionate, and

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<v Speaker 5>with social media aspect as part of this. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>people look at very very short videos or photographs and

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<v Speaker 5>they're touched by it. I mean, the one that's been circulated,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, so so effectively is the little girl, pure

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<v Speaker 5>stained face holding a puppy while you know, the craziness

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<v Speaker 5>of the of the of the storm surrounders. I mean literally,

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<v Speaker 5>AI is very smart. They're they're they're hitting every chord

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<v Speaker 5>that they Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm assuming, I'm assuming, lieutenent, what's going on is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting at home or you're sitting at home and

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, someone sends you this photograph a

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<v Speaker 2>little girl with a puppy, Please help the victims of

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<v Speaker 2>Hurricane Helene. So instead of helping the victims of Hurricane Aleen,

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<v Speaker 2>you and I send a hundred bucks to some scammer

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<v Speaker 2>who's who's working out of Belarus.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well that's that's about right. You know. So they're

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<v Speaker 5>they're putting it out the over social media, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>there's so many of these these sites out there that

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<v Speaker 5>the pretenders, you know, pretend they have a charity, and

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<v Speaker 5>people who have you know, the very very short concentration

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<v Speaker 5>spans because of the training of social media, fall for

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<v Speaker 5>these fall for these little traps, and and and and

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<v Speaker 5>and it's a numbers game. You know. They can literally

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<v Speaker 5>reach millions of people. So it's only one or two percent,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, a fall for it. They can make a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I have an attitude now every time

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<v Speaker 2>I have their look, contribute to the American Red Cross,

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<v Speaker 2>can can contribute to the Samaritan Purse run by Franklin Graham.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a whole bunch of great organizations that we

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<v Speaker 2>all know about. But when you get something like this,

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<v Speaker 2>just hit a block on it. Block it. I do

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing with phone calls I get all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're you're in police departments. I get, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm calling from the National Police Officers Protection Agency, And

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<v Speaker 2>I have a brother's a retired state police lieutenant. So

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<v Speaker 2>I get a little upset at this, and I'll ask

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<v Speaker 2>them what percentage actually goes to benefit of police officers

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to your administrative costs. That point the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>generally ends. But then I blocked their phone number. So

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<v Speaker 2>people just need to realize, you know that there are

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<v Speaker 2>people out there trying to pick everyone's pocket and money

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<v Speaker 2>that you could contribute to, say to the Red Cross

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<v Speaker 2>or Sparingness Purst or some other great organization that we

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<v Speaker 2>know about, or an organization the Salvation Army, any of

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<v Speaker 2>the traditional organization we all know about. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>go literally to some bank account of Delarus or Dagistan.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's that or that's what's going on.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's very frustrating, you know, as the creator of

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<v Speaker 5>a charity that helps injuring the disabled officers across this nation,

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<v Speaker 5>it's very frustrating for me because I see these scams

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<v Speaker 5>taking place, you know, you know all the time, and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, what we're doing is we're creating a charity,

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<v Speaker 5>well Arolaty a charry equipment. We're giving other charities that

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<v Speaker 5>are helping police officers who have been affected by these storms.

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<v Speaker 5>Because what happens when I mean, who is it is

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<v Speaker 5>responding during these emergencies, it's the police officers and first

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<v Speaker 5>responders have to leave their own families, their own homes

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<v Speaker 5>in order to help others. So many of these police

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<v Speaker 5>officers homes have been devastated. They're going to issues. So

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<v Speaker 5>what we're doing is we're giving a substantial donation to

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<v Speaker 5>other charities that directly help those officers. So people want

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<v Speaker 5>to give, go to the Wound to Blue dot Org.

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<v Speaker 5>Do one of our T shirts, and all the money

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<v Speaker 5>from the sale of the of the Mountain Blue T

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<v Speaker 5>shirts are going to help these officers whose families are affected.

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<v Speaker 5>And like I said, you know, running a national wide charity.

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<v Speaker 5>And by the way, I take no salary. I've never

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<v Speaker 5>taken a salary from my organization because I live on

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<v Speaker 5>my pension so I can serve my law enforcement community.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I know the scammers is going on, and

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<v Speaker 5>it hurts me deeply when people give to these these

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<v Speaker 5>these scammers who are only lying in their own pockets.

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<v Speaker 5>You got to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Tenant. I hear the passion in your voice. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us again. That charity, your charity, a worthwhile

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<v Speaker 2>charity is the Woundedblue Dot Org. It's obviously a five

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<v Speaker 2>o' one c three charity. People will get a letter

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<v Speaker 2>back or some sort of an acknowledgment for tax purposes,

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<v Speaker 2>thanking them right.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, yes, I appreciate you having me on. There's always

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<v Speaker 5>a pleasure in doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Your show, all right, Lieutenant Randy Sutton again the charity

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<v Speaker 2>the Woundedblue Dot Org. Randy anytime. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Be well, stay safe, thank you. Okay, here comes to

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock News. We're going to open up a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>we've never had here, Well, we haven't had it in

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<v Speaker 2>any depth, and that is why are kids allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>bring cell phones and keep them with them in schools?

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<v Speaker 2>All the evidence suggests no cell phones in schools, or

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<v Speaker 2>put them away once you walk in the door and

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<v Speaker 2>pick them up when you're going home at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day. Love to talk with you about that

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the nine o'clock News.