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Speaker 2: So let's get right to our guest tonight. Four very
Speaker 2: interesting guests. We're talking about bagels, baseball dreams, and a
Speaker 2: scam alert, so we get a lot it's interest. Let's
Speaker 2: start off with Diane Bear. She's a Boston Globe reporter
Speaker 2: slash contributor, and she went and covered New York City's
Speaker 2: Bagel Fest, where a Cambridge bagel was the toast. I
Speaker 2: can't say the toast of the town was it was
Speaker 2: the best of the fest or the bagel of the
Speaker 2: Big Apple, Diane, How are you loved your piece in
Speaker 2: the Globe. By the way, I'm not a bagel guy,
Speaker 2: but almost maybe wanted to try them.
Speaker 1: How are you tonight, Ian?
Speaker 3: Great? Thank you so much. It's been a long week.
Speaker 3: So I think we need to bring some big bagel energy,
Speaker 3: you know, to Boston.
Speaker 2: Sing Yeah, I'm a I'm a Dunkin Donuts guy when
Speaker 2: whenever I can in the mornings, to be really.
Speaker 3: Honest with you, So not a bagel guy.
Speaker 2: Huh, well, I'm a glaistick guy, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was amazed at the variety of bagels,
Speaker 2: and I was also a ride amazed to see that
Speaker 2: there's a store down there called.
Speaker 3: Pop Up, Yeah, pop Up Bagels. It's it's actually it's
Speaker 3: kind of funny because it's the big trendy New York
Speaker 3: City bagel place now. And when I went for the
Speaker 3: when I went on a bagel tour there, it was
Speaker 3: the first stop and they were like eighty people lined
Speaker 3: up at this bagel shop in the middle of the day,
Speaker 3: and I thought, man, you know, what are they making
Speaker 3: in there? But it turns out it's like if New
Speaker 3: Yorkers see a line of people, they just happen, you know,
Speaker 3: So I think that's kind of what happened. But Paul
Speaker 3: Rudd is one of the investors, and Paul Rudd, to me,
Speaker 3: it looks like a very good testimonial for eating bagels, So.
Speaker 2: Why not, well give it, give it a shot. I
Speaker 2: was addressed when I said, pop up. I have a
Speaker 2: grant my wife, and I have a grandson whose name
Speaker 2: is Benjamin, and people were trying to figure out what
Speaker 2: he wanted to call me, and somehow someway they wanted
Speaker 2: me to be called Papa, and I said, I don't
Speaker 2: really like that. Call me pop up because I'm a
Speaker 2: big baseball guy. So now it looks as if this
Speaker 2: bagel chain stole.
Speaker 4: My oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so now I can say they did. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: know what, they're they're growing too. They're gonna, they're gonna
Speaker 3: they're trying to have like a hundred bagel shops in
Speaker 3: like this year or something. This place is growing like crazy,
Speaker 3: so you're gonna be like, you know, maybe you could
Speaker 3: be like the face of pop Up Bagel, you know,
Speaker 3: instead of Paul Rudd. I get your face on some
Speaker 3: T shirt.
Speaker 2: You probably shouldn't have admitted to you that I'm not
Speaker 2: a bagel leader. No, I might have made a.
Speaker 1: Mistake that.
Speaker 3: They haven't found your bagel?
Speaker 2: So how did this cambridge is called bagel or us almost.
Speaker 3: Like bagelsaurus, like a dinosaur bagels.
Speaker 2: Okay, bagel saurus. But I kind of read it like
Speaker 2: you like bagels or us. But that's okay, okay, bagel.
Speaker 3: St you know, you know what, it's so weird because
Speaker 3: I never saw that. So that's the you are.
Speaker 2: And then we could pronounce in Boston as opposed to
Speaker 2: are meaning ar r, you know, au are or US.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, I'm.
Speaker 3: Just maybe it should be one of those like Internet
Speaker 3: like left brain right brain things like if you see
Speaker 3: it as bagel rus or if you see it like
Speaker 3: the blue dress and the gold dress, remember that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe.
Speaker 2: I remember that stuff and it drove me crazy because
Speaker 2: I was always in disagreement. So so they won the
Speaker 2: best bagel in New York. That's like the Red Sox
Speaker 2: going in and sweeping the Yankees then.
Speaker 3: Going over Can you believe it?
Speaker 2: Can you believe that that's the next weekend? Yeah? That's
Speaker 2: good though, because you think about.
Speaker 3: It it was amazing.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, well, you.
Speaker 3: Know, and they're in twenty fourteen, so they're not they're
Speaker 3: even kind of a newcomer. They open in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: and they do sort of a sour dough kind of
Speaker 3: fermenting process, so they do it a little bit differently.
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you I didn't even stuff the ballot
Speaker 3: box when I voted. It was so tempting, you know,
Speaker 3: but I so it was clearly it was a you know,
Speaker 3: it was the bagel experts and the attendees, like the
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred or some people at City Field that were
Speaker 3: at this event that voted for them. So they, you know,
Speaker 3: they really they did us proud, big respect.
Speaker 2: Now did you go down there on your own to
Speaker 2: write this piece? It was this a tasty assignment that
Speaker 2: the Globe gave you.
Speaker 3: Right, it was an assignment because I had pitched it initially.
Speaker 3: You know, I just I love doing a food story
Speaker 3: because they're just really fun to do. And Globe readers
Speaker 3: get so fired up about these stories, whether it's you know,
Speaker 3: that's pizza Beslabster old, that's Boston cream Pie, they really
Speaker 3: get fired up. So I found out that there was
Speaker 3: a bagel making class in New York, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 3: that sounds kind of cool, that's like worth a trip.
Speaker 3: And then then when I I sort of dug went
Speaker 3: down the rabbit hole of bagels, I guess down the
Speaker 3: bagel hole, I found out that they were that there
Speaker 3: was this bagel festival going on and you could do
Speaker 3: a bagel tour of like the best places in town.
Speaker 3: And I said, that sounds even more fun. You know,
Speaker 3: is anybody really going to spend one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: bucks to learn how to make bagels when you could
Speaker 3: get lots of good bagels and cream cheese, you know,
Speaker 3: for that amount. So I pitched it to my editor,
Speaker 3: I said, what do you know, what do you think
Speaker 3: about the bagel fest? At that time, we didn't even
Speaker 3: know that local bagel places were going to show up,
Speaker 3: so it was just a happy accident that they get
Speaker 3: bagelsaurus did us proud? And and there was a Nantucket
Speaker 3: Bakery there as well.
Speaker 2: Well. What's great about it was that you showed great flexibility.
Speaker 2: You started out talking about learning the craft of bagel making,
Speaker 2: and then you realize, why do I need to know
Speaker 2: the craft when you have all these places? So you
Speaker 2: would effect called a good really good audible okay, and
Speaker 2: hopefully Drake audibles this weekend. So we're kind of working.
Speaker 5: Everything in here together.
Speaker 3: Uh, you're you're working there, you are.
Speaker 2: I'm trying. I'm trying, you know, for the end of
Speaker 2: the week. I'm trying my best. Okay. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I'm a big I am a subscriber to The Globe.
Speaker 2: As I've often said, I'm a huge, uh fan of
Speaker 2: the sports page and the Globe, and that's why I
Speaker 2: really get the group and also features like yourself the
Speaker 2: travel guy. Yeah, not so crazy about the editorial page,
Speaker 2: but we'll leave that for another time. Uh. But you know,
Speaker 2: I just want to you know, I no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no no no no. We'll we'll we'll keep it.
Speaker 2: We'll keep it real. And look, I am I am
Speaker 2: delighted to talk to you. I happen to love your
Speaker 2: passion because I think the best thing. And I was
Speaker 2: a young reporter one time, way back in the last
Speaker 2: century and television and the greatest set of a reporter
Speaker 2: like yourself. You clearly are intelligent, but when you have
Speaker 2: passion for the story, it comes through with the story,
Speaker 2: both in the writing of the story, the reading of
Speaker 2: the story and the telling of the story, and you
Speaker 2: have passion. You're gonna be thank you career ahead of
Speaker 2: you and you've already you already have a career, but
Speaker 2: you're going to do great things in this business. Diane,
Speaker 2: thank you, and have a bagel on me this weekend.
Speaker 6: Okay, I think.
Speaker 3: So, and I think I think you should definitely go.
Speaker 3: You call it bagel Horus or Bagelsaurus. You're really out
Speaker 3: to give those guys a try, because and the one
Speaker 3: you have to try is the pretzel bagel with roat.
Speaker 3: You like pretzels rosemary, Yes, I do pretzel bagel with
Speaker 3: the honeys rosemary cream cheese. And you will you'll thank
Speaker 3: me later, I promise.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, Diane, there of the Boston Globe reporting
Speaker 2: on a victory, a victory for Boston Bagels in the
Speaker 2: Big Apple. Simple as that. All right, Thanks DaLie, you
Speaker 2: have a great weekend. Okay, thank you. We came back
Speaker 2: to talk. I want to go to a baseball game tomorrow.
Speaker 2: The Red Sox are not playing. They're not playing either
Speaker 2: here in Boston or anywhere else. But there is a
Speaker 2: baseball game going on this weekend which will entail one
Speaker 2: hundred innings of baseball to benefit ALS Research. Talk about
Speaker 2: Ian Hadley of the Angel Fund coming right back on
Speaker 2: Night Side. This is one that might work out for
Speaker 2: a lot of my listeners back right after this one
Speaker 2: Night Side.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: B the baseball season in Boston and a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago. Wait on next year. The truck leaves for
Speaker 2: spring to raining right after the first of February, so
Speaker 2: it's not that far off. However, if you need a
Speaker 2: little baseball fixed tomorrow, all you have to be is
Speaker 2: at Adams Field in Quinsy at nine am, and if
Speaker 2: you want to play in the game, maybe you get
Speaker 2: there a little earlier. With us is Ian Hadley, the
Speaker 2: Chief Development of Officer of the Angel Fund for ALS Research,
Speaker 2: and we had an email exchange kind of worked out
Speaker 2: for us today. I wish we knew about this a
Speaker 2: little earlier, but hey, under the Wire is perfect. Glad
Speaker 2: to have you with us tonight.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: This is the twenty first annual Oneings of Baseball benefiting
Speaker 2: ALS Research. Tell us soon starts at nine o'clock. Are
Speaker 2: people at all different skill levels invited. I assume.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 4: The baseball game is like no other. It goes one
Speaker 4: hundred innings. The first pitch is thrown out at nine
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning tomorrow on Saturday, Doctor Robert Brown.
Speaker 4: Actually you will be throwing out the first pitch for us,
Speaker 4: and right after you.
Speaker 2: Use the ALS. Doctor Robert Brown should need no introduction
Speaker 2: to most of my audience, but he is the well
Speaker 2: known ALS researcher who has done such great work in
Speaker 2: this area and hope someday to find a cure for ALS.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's right after doctor Brown does throw out the
Speaker 4: first pitch, the gag gets underway and oneings of play,
Speaker 4: probably about thirty six hours without of baseball, and it
Speaker 4: goes all night.
Speaker 2: We have this is this is not an expedited game,
Speaker 2: meaning it's not one of these things where two strikes
Speaker 2: for a strikeout and three strikes for a ball. This
Speaker 2: is regular baseball. Three three strikes for to get before
Speaker 2: you strike out, four balls to walk, so it will last.
Speaker 2: I mean, the longest game in the history of baseball
Speaker 2: was that game down in Pawtucko, Rhode Islands, many years ago,
Speaker 2: which went I was about twenty three innings or something
Speaker 2: like that, and that then had to be completed at
Speaker 2: another time. So obviously you got a field with some
Speaker 2: good sets of lights. As I understated, it as a
Speaker 2: registration fee of seventy five dollars per player, and I
Speaker 2: assume people can make contributions who might just come to
Speaker 2: watch this display. How many ringers are you going to
Speaker 2: get in there? I mean, do you have any people
Speaker 2: who are going to come in there and you know,
Speaker 2: throw ninety mile an hour pitches or any what's the
Speaker 2: range of the baseball skills of your players?
Speaker 4: There's quite a bit of range. We have a lot
Speaker 4: of players that it's a lot of the entire Boston
Speaker 4: area baseball community that comes out, and we have the
Speaker 4: umpires that come out as well.
Speaker 6: We probably have about.
Speaker 4: Between fifty and seventy players. Players can come down and
Speaker 4: play for two innings for innings all hundred. We have
Speaker 4: some iron men and I and women that will play
Speaker 4: all one hundred.
Speaker 2: How do you how do you start at nine o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning play thirty six hours of baseball street
Speaker 2: That's extraordinary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it is amazing. And they're all dedicated to
Speaker 4: raising funds for ALI research. We have umpires that come
Speaker 4: in as well that donate their time. We have one
Speaker 4: mayn cruise. They come in every two hours and they
Speaker 4: go all night long. And there's some plays that will
Speaker 4: come in on Saturday and play for a few hours,
Speaker 4: come back in the middle of the night during Saturday night,
Speaker 4: and continue on again on Sunday.
Speaker 2: So it's amazing player registers. Okay, do these teams have
Speaker 2: team names or is it pretty much when you get there,
Speaker 2: they plug in and if you have to go, I
Speaker 2: don't know, do something Saturday night and you want to
Speaker 2: come back late late there that you kind of Is
Speaker 2: it a mix and match situation or do you get
Speaker 2: do you get a signed to one team or the
Speaker 2: other or is it a very informal sort of game
Speaker 2: where you can play few winnings for one side, few
Speaker 2: winnings for the other, It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 4: No, I think it's a dedicated team. When you do
Speaker 4: sign up, they assign into a team and yep, and
Speaker 4: then you will play however many innings you can. And and
Speaker 4: then like I said, you know, some some of our players,
Speaker 4: men and women, have gone all one hundred innings. We've
Speaker 4: actually had an engagement on the field one year and
Speaker 4: that has been a wife come back every year to
Speaker 4: play with us. So it's an amazing group of people.
Speaker 2: So they got engaged. Wow, talk about true love for
Speaker 2: baseball and each other. Unbelievable. So what do you hope
Speaker 2: to raise this weekend? Realistically? What do you think?
Speaker 4: Well, I can tell you after this year. I think
Speaker 4: that the total that they've raised over the past there'll
Speaker 4: be twenty one years is close to nine hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars for als research. That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Kick it out it is fifty dollars. You'd be you'd
Speaker 2: be you've been doing this for twenty one years. What
Speaker 2: is the genesis of this competition?
Speaker 4: It's become all like a family. Some of the baseball
Speaker 4: players see each other off of the season and some
Speaker 4: just see each other, you know, just once a year,
Speaker 4: and it's really become a family type situation.
Speaker 2: Who came up with the idea initially of twenty one
Speaker 2: years ago, which you know would have been two thousand
Speaker 2: and two or two thousand and three. Who came up
Speaker 2: with the idea of, hey, I know we can play
Speaker 2: one ball.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a group of players that came together
Speaker 4: and of course baseball is associated, you know, with Luke
Speaker 4: Erick and all that, so they decided they would raise
Speaker 4: money face as WELLLS research.
Speaker 2: It's also associated with Pete Frady's of Boston College, the
Speaker 2: Catfish Hunter, the Great Hall of Fame pitcher for Oakland.
Speaker 2: Pinky's passed away from the ALS. We've we've seen more
Speaker 2: and more ALS as time has has gone on, and
Speaker 2: so there is that.
Speaker 4: Of our action. One of our old andizes is Walter Benson.
Speaker 4: He's our chief umpire and he's been living with ALS
Speaker 4: for many years now. And you know Rich Kennedy, he's
Speaker 4: been on your program before he al, Yeah, and he's
Speaker 4: of course lost his dad and two brothers to the
Speaker 4: disease and he's living with ALS. And Walter and Rich
Speaker 4: will be there the whole hundred innings and stay up
Speaker 4: and support the team players. So it's an amazing it's
Speaker 4: an amazing time.
Speaker 2: Well, I wish you the best of luck with it,
Speaker 2: and please say hello to everyone there for us, and
Speaker 2: I guess that's not too late to join. So if
Speaker 2: someone has their cleats all polished tonight, you have to
Speaker 2: have to wear a uniform of sorts. You just kind
Speaker 2: of go out there and in flip flops and cargo shorts, right,
Speaker 2: be a little dangerous, but you have to come dress
Speaker 2: for the game, right, You have to have your own
Speaker 2: glove and all of that and to show up. And
Speaker 2: if you have you ever had I meant I meant
Speaker 2: this seriously before and I asked you the question. You
Speaker 2: kind of didn't answer the question. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: ask you one more time. Did you ever have like
Speaker 2: a ringer show up? Do you know what I mean
Speaker 2: by a ringer?
Speaker 6: Like, oh, we have a couple.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've had a couple of those. Yes, but do
Speaker 4: you know what I mean by that?
Speaker 2: Or no?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've had some Major League Baseball players come to
Speaker 4: a few games, well with her, Kurt Schilling. In the past,
Speaker 4: we've you know, I know that Malone has come. I
Speaker 4: know we've we've had more, but I forget now who
Speaker 4: they are.
Speaker 2: Well, you should have a list the next time we
Speaker 2: publicized this. That's what That's what the crowd, the audience
Speaker 2: we'll were thinking of. They get there. If you get
Speaker 2: Kurt Schilling or Lou Maloney, maybe get a couple of autographs,
Speaker 2: watch a few winnings in baseball? How do you beat
Speaker 2: that on Saturday? Whether it's Saturday morning, Saturday afternoon, Saturday night,
Speaker 2: Sunday morning, Sunday afternoon or whatever. And as always, thank
Speaker 2: you for much for joining us, and best of luck.
Speaker 2: If I was close it to Quincy, I would be there,
Speaker 2: but unfortunately I am what we call out of pocket. Okay,
Speaker 2: thanks Anne, appreciate it.
Speaker 4: And people can go to the Angel fundat to work
Speaker 4: for more information.
Speaker 2: Sure they go there, and if they like to make
Speaker 2: a donation, that's always welcome as well.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it is.
Speaker 2: It is. Thank you so much, Ian Hadley, the Chief
Speaker 2: Development Officer of the Angel Fund for Als Research. We
Speaker 2: will take a break here for the news at the
Speaker 2: bottom of the hour, and we're going to come back
Speaker 2: to a subject that everybody should be interested in. Do
Speaker 2: you dream in color or black and white? Uh? There's
Speaker 2: a lot of science to this, but I got to
Speaker 2: tell you dreams. Dreams are tough to remember. I don't
Speaker 2: even know. I have no clue if which color, whether
Speaker 2: I dream in color or black and white. There are
Speaker 2: some nights when I dream some nights when I know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's most of you, most of us are
Speaker 2: like that. We're going to get We're going to talk
Speaker 2: with a psychologist of religion specializing in dream research. How
Speaker 2: about that for a combination, author and founder of the
Speaker 2: Sleep and Dream Database. Her name is Kelly Bucley. We'll
Speaker 2: be back right after the bottom of the news at
Speaker 2: the bottom of the hour here on a Friday night
Speaker 2: edition of Nightside.
Speaker 1: It's Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Ori, welcome back, everybody. Do you dream? And do you
Speaker 2: dream in color of black and white? That's the big question.
Speaker 2: I'm going to introduce to you a PhD Doctor Kelly Bucley.
Speaker 2: She's a psychologist of religion specializing in dream research. Doctor
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Bulky Bulky, Okay, I got it right.
Speaker 6: You did it the first time.
Speaker 2: Okay. Uh, And it is uh it is Bulky Bulky,
Speaker 2: so that he is silent in there, right, Bulkeley? Okay, great,
Speaker 2: Doctor Bulkeley, welcome. You're a psychologist in religion specializing in
Speaker 2: dream research. I wouldn't think that those two would in interconnect.
Speaker 2: Tell us why?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, the study of dreams goes back beyond just
Speaker 6: the past couple of hundred years of psychology to look
Speaker 6: at cultures throughout history that have talked about dreams, often
Speaker 6: in religious languages, but not necessarily always about you know,
Speaker 6: gods and demons, but just the human phenomenon of dreaming.
Speaker 6: So that's that's what I study.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so let's let's talk about it. Because I
Speaker 2: happen to be a big believer in dreams. I'm someone
Speaker 2: I dream and I wake up in the morning and
Speaker 2: I'm conscious the dreams floats away. How normal is that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's pretty typical that that that there will be
Speaker 6: some recollection just upon wakening, but then often in the
Speaker 6: light of day and the beginning of our activities, that
Speaker 6: memory will will fade. Some dreams are different and will
Speaker 6: sort of knock you on the head and say, no,
Speaker 6: you are going to remember this, And psychologically speaking, those
Speaker 6: tend to be the more important dreams. To pay attention
Speaker 6: to the ones you naturally forget, I think it's okay
Speaker 6: to forget them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have reoccurring dreams. And again I don't want
Speaker 2: to make this about me, but friends of mine have
Speaker 2: told me. For example, I'm a lawyer, went to law school,
Speaker 2: and one of the referring dreams is that it's late
Speaker 2: in the second semester of your third year, and you
Speaker 2: forgot that you were so confident you didn't go to course,
Speaker 2: to classes until about the beginning of May for this
Speaker 2: one course you have to take. Yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 2: an elective, but it's but you have to read a
Speaker 2: book and write a paper and then take take an
Speaker 2: examine on Monday, and you just are running out of time.
Speaker 2: I'm told that's a pretty common dream.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it really is. And in fact, there examples
Speaker 6: of like exam dreams and test related dreams going back
Speaker 6: like almost two thousand years in ancient China when they
Speaker 6: had to take exams for the civil service. Goes way
Speaker 6: back in Confucian culture, there are records of people having
Speaker 6: these anxious dreams before their tests.
Speaker 2: So that's where civil service started.
Speaker 6: That's where said, I mean, it goes way back, and
Speaker 6: so uh yeah, so there's something about the the anxiety
Speaker 6: at that formative time of life that that can either
Speaker 6: be triggered by something in our present day lives or
Speaker 6: just as kind of a constant echo, you know, throughout
Speaker 6: our lives. Just that's the way it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's I guess it's something that you've
Speaker 2: prepped for. Maybe maybe the anxiety that I never have
Speaker 2: a dream about the days before the bar exam, which
Speaker 2: which passed it on the first time. Never had a
Speaker 2: dream about that, but there's always one of those things.
Speaker 2: What was it? What are some of the other dreams
Speaker 2: that people frequently dream about?
Speaker 6: Uh, you know, yeah, well there's there's a classic yeah,
Speaker 6: the classic duo of of flying and falling. Uh where
Speaker 6: there's you know, there's sort of these gravitational experiences when
Speaker 6: we're lying flat presumably in bed nothing's really happening, but
Speaker 6: in dreams were either soaring through the cloud like birds
Speaker 6: or falling off a cliff, you know, and and in terrors.
Speaker 6: So those are those are very common. Uh again, not
Speaker 6: not just in present day, but but through history and
Speaker 6: across cultures.
Speaker 2: So, okay, I'm going to tell you my my my
Speaker 2: airplane dream.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, fly.
Speaker 2: I fly a lot, I've flown a lot in my life.
Speaker 2: I'm always you know, thinking, you know, be careful, be careful.
Speaker 2: I'm on a plane and we're flying really low, and
Speaker 2: we're flying underneath overpasses. The plane is just getting through
Speaker 2: by about two feet on each side every time. Right,
Speaker 2: What what the heck would that be about? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, the dreams often right sort of they often
Speaker 6: speak sort of metaphorically, and so it's like, well, there's
Speaker 6: something going on in waking life that that a good
Speaker 6: comparison would be like an airplane that's barely able to
Speaker 6: stay above ground and it's barely avoiding, you know, obstacles
Speaker 6: of one kind and another. So this goes back, believe
Speaker 6: it or not, to the Greek phosphor Aristotle, who batically
Speaker 6: said that the skill of being a dream interpreter is
Speaker 6: observing resemblances between the dreams and things in your waking life.
Speaker 6: So that's pretty much true, and that's that's Uh, it's
Speaker 6: sometimes as simple as that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's the subconscious at work, and
Speaker 2: I can I will, yes anymore O dreams, but there's always.
Speaker 6: Something, truly, I go on and on with me, but.
Speaker 2: Different, different connections. Okay, let's talk about the subject of
Speaker 2: dreaming in black and white. In color, I don't see
Speaker 2: a difference. I don't dream of COLORAD don't dream in black.
Speaker 2: It's just dreams. So some people VI remember black and
Speaker 2: white dreams as opposed to color dreams, technic color dreams.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, this is a This has been a longstanding
Speaker 6: topic in to be it might be viewed in modern
Speaker 6: Western dream research. This is not an issue for Australian
Speaker 6: Aborigines or ancient Egyptians. They don't talk about black and
Speaker 6: white persons color dreams.
Speaker 2: This I didn't have to they didn't have color TV.
Speaker 6: Right, Well, this is the thing I kind of call it.
Speaker 2: I'm just having a little bit of fun here.
Speaker 5: Go ahead.
Speaker 6: No, it's exactly true. That's that's when there is black
Speaker 6: and white TV and movies that really influenced people's dreams.
Speaker 5: We know that.
Speaker 6: And then color TV and movies come along and that
Speaker 6: influences people's dreams. So yeah, yeah, I it's it's it's
Speaker 6: fun to talk about. It's it's but the reality is
Speaker 6: that that there are recurrent patterns of colors throughout people's dreams.
Speaker 6: I mean, colors are symbolically meaningful sometimes so uh. And
Speaker 6: sometimes people do dream in kind of a monochrome, kind
Speaker 6: of a just a gray scale. That's that's that's not
Speaker 6: unheard of.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you must dream yourself, I saw right, So
Speaker 2: you're in your dreams, dreams that you have and how
Speaker 2: you pulled it, pulled it together, use it, give us
Speaker 2: an example of yours, which might help people today who
Speaker 2: are trying to figure out their dream when they wake
Speaker 2: up tomorrow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, well so so okay, so yeah, So last
Speaker 6: night I simple dream. I'm walking along. I see a
Speaker 6: black like that's called an ox, like a cowern ox,
Speaker 6: and it's a big one and I'm like, oh, that's
Speaker 6: kind of weird. And then I see to my right
Speaker 6: a little black ox. I'm like, oh, they've gotten separated.
Speaker 6: And I try to get the little black ox and
Speaker 6: I think it must be its mother. I'm like, no,
Speaker 6: you've gotten separated from your mother. You have to go back.
Speaker 6: But instead the little ox shoots down the hill and
Speaker 6: someden I see a coyote chasing after it, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 6: that's bad.
Speaker 5: But like, but what do I do?
Speaker 6: There's nothing. I can't do anything. I'm I'm there's nothing
Speaker 6: I can do. The situation is out of my hands.
Speaker 6: And I wake up and I record the dream as
Speaker 6: I do, and I come to the phrase of like,
Speaker 6: you know, separated from the mother, and you have to
Speaker 6: go back, and the little box doesn't want to and
Speaker 6: shoots down and yes, gets in danger, but also has
Speaker 6: this is on its own. And I, even at my
Speaker 6: advanced age, I think themes of independence and how how
Speaker 6: we relate to whatever we consider mother or comfort or
Speaker 6: safety versus independence that may bring danger and may bring uncertainty.
Speaker 6: It felt when I woke up that took a moment
Speaker 6: for that to come together. But when I came to
Speaker 6: that for that phrase, it's like, oh, separated from the mother,
Speaker 6: and like, well, you know, what's my role in that?
Speaker 6: How am I mediating that?
Speaker 2: So you said something which was interesting, that you write
Speaker 2: your dreams down, So that might be a good habit
Speaker 2: for people to have a piece of paper or pad
Speaker 2: and a pa.
Speaker 6: Yes, and we're in the golden era. I mean I
Speaker 6: won't Well, I'm an unpaid consultant for an online app
Speaker 6: called Elsewhere that uses AI tools to create images and
Speaker 6: interpretations of dreams like Lickety Split. In ways that I
Speaker 6: thought I was going to be a hater, I mean,
Speaker 6: I wanted to observe them to make sure they didn't
Speaker 6: do anything horrible. And I'm very surprised at how effective
Speaker 6: these these tools are becoming. So yes, people can learn
Speaker 6: all sorts of wonderful things. I mean, you can always
Speaker 6: talk to people, of course, it's always necessary, but some
Speaker 6: of these these online tools are becoming really helpful.
Speaker 2: I think interesting, interesting. I've really enjoyed this conversation. Could
Speaker 2: I get you to come back, Well, I'd love to
Speaker 2: have you come back and do an hour. During this hour,
Speaker 2: we don't learn phone calls from listeners, but I think
Speaker 2: you would be a great guest to talk to some
Speaker 2: of my listeners. We're on from AID until midnight here
Speaker 2: in the East. I'm not sure.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, no, it's I love hearing people hear
Speaker 6: their experiences.
Speaker 5: That's great.
Speaker 6: I learned all sorts of new thing. There's always something
Speaker 6: new under the sun and dream research.
Speaker 2: So the movement, I should say, one of my best dreams. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, we talk about terrifying dreams and horrible dreams
Speaker 2: as a young lawyer. As a lawyer, I represented a
Speaker 2: National Hockey League players and knew quite a bit about
Speaker 2: the game and played in high school a little bit
Speaker 2: of college, and I had this great dream every once
Speaker 2: in a while that I'm actually playing in the National
Speaker 2: Hockey League and it's obviously my mind. I wasn't ever
Speaker 2: going to get close to that status, but I could
Speaker 2: when I had that dream. And I wake up in
Speaker 2: the morning, the game never ends, but I'm there, and
Speaker 2: the crowd's there, and I'm in uniform, and it's a
Speaker 2: very cool dream and it's it's.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I study yeah, a couple
Speaker 6: of years ago on dreams and sports kind of along
Speaker 6: those lines. That's that's the thing. Yeah, yeah, all right,
Speaker 6: well well yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, doctor Bulkeley, Kelly Bulkeley, let me tell you. I
Speaker 2: we'll call you, We'll have our folks get in touch
Speaker 2: with him. We'll do an hour and take all of questions. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that'll be a lot of fun because I'd like to
Speaker 2: get my audience involved. We do these interviews in the
Speaker 2: in the eight o'clock hour, and then nine, ten and eleven,
Speaker 2: we have guests for an hour and we take we
Speaker 2: take phone calls. So I appreciate if you do that,
Speaker 2: you will be a great guest, A great guest.
Speaker 6: No, well, I love the enthusiasm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's your enthusiasm is infectious, and this is
Speaker 2: something that I'm interested in. Doctor Kelly Buckley, Bokeley Bulkeley.
Speaker 2: It's b l K E L E Y. But the
Speaker 2: e is silent. Do you have a book out or
Speaker 2: something like that that we can give a little plug
Speaker 2: too here or anything?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The latest is called The Spirituality
Speaker 6: of Dreaming broad Leaf Press. I could get you a
Speaker 6: copy sent you probably if you like, I mean, certainly.
Speaker 2: We'll work that note. I can buy a copy too,
Speaker 2: but it's called The Spirituality of Dreaming and they can
Speaker 2: look it up probably through Amazon and broad Leaf Press,
Speaker 2: that's a big publishing house. Thank you so much, Thank you,
Speaker 2: very very much.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: We will talk again. Thanks, good night. All right, we
Speaker 2: come back when we talk about some AI deep fakes
Speaker 2: scam alert of Hurricane Helen victims that's on social media,
Speaker 2: so you want to listen up. We're going to be
Speaker 2: talked with a friend who's been a guest before, Lieutenant
Speaker 2: Randy Sutton, retired in Las Vegas Police Department, crime expert
Speaker 2: and founder of the Wounded Blue Nation White charitable organization,
Speaker 2: whose mission is to improve the lives of injured and
Speaker 2: disabled law enforcement officers. Be talking with Lieutenant Randy Sutton
Speaker 2: retired right after this quick break.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray from the Window World night
Speaker 1: Sight Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 2: I hope Lieutenant Randy Sutton remembers me, because I remember him.
Speaker 2: I've had him on his guest a couple of times
Speaker 2: in the past. He's retired Las Vegas, Nevada Police Department expert,
Speaker 2: crime expert, founder of the Wounded Blue and national nationwide
Speaker 2: charitable group whose mission it is to improve the lives
Speaker 2: of injured and disabled law enforcement officers. Lieutenant Sutton, Welcome
Speaker 2: back to Night Side. How are you.
Speaker 5: It is a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: You bet you so. We have a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: AI deep fakes of Hurricane Helen victims that are circulating
Speaker 2: on social media that hurts real people. I'm assuming that
Speaker 2: the most of the people who are the victims of
Speaker 2: Hurricane Helene probably don't have their cell phones working or
Speaker 2: their home phones working. Give us the background of this, Lieutenant,
Speaker 2: if you'd be so kind.
Speaker 5: You know, with people scamming others after tragedies is nothing new.
Speaker 5: We've seen this for years and years and years. But
Speaker 5: the technology that's available now in order to perpetuate these
Speaker 5: scams is is not just increasing, it's more real than ever.
Speaker 5: And so what's happening is people are utilizing AI, which is,
Speaker 5: you know, the most incredible converging technology to once again
Speaker 5: scam people out of their money. And you know, here's
Speaker 5: the thing. Americans are very generous, they're very compassionate, and
Speaker 5: with social media aspect as part of this. You know,
Speaker 5: people look at very very short videos or photographs and
Speaker 5: they're touched by it. I mean, the one that's been circulated,
Speaker 5: you know, so so effectively is the little girl, pure
Speaker 5: stained face holding a puppy while you know, the craziness
Speaker 5: of the of the of the storm surrounders. I mean literally,
Speaker 5: AI is very smart. They're they're they're hitting every chord
Speaker 5: that they Okay.
Speaker 2: So I'm assuming, I'm assuming, lieutenent, what's going on is
Speaker 2: I'm sitting at home or you're sitting at home and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, someone sends you this photograph a
Speaker 2: little girl with a puppy, Please help the victims of
Speaker 2: Hurricane Helene. So instead of helping the victims of Hurricane Aleen,
Speaker 2: you and I send a hundred bucks to some scammer
Speaker 2: who's who's working out of Belarus.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's that's about right. You know. So they're
Speaker 5: they're putting it out the over social media, and you know,
Speaker 5: there's so many of these these sites out there that
Speaker 5: the pretenders, you know, pretend they have a charity, and
Speaker 5: people who have you know, the very very short concentration
Speaker 5: spans because of the training of social media, fall for
Speaker 5: these fall for these little traps, and and and and
Speaker 5: and it's a numbers game. You know. They can literally
Speaker 5: reach millions of people. So it's only one or two percent,
Speaker 5: you know, a fall for it. They can make a
Speaker 5: lot of money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I have an attitude now every time
Speaker 2: I have their look, contribute to the American Red Cross,
Speaker 2: can can contribute to the Samaritan Purse run by Franklin Graham.
Speaker 2: And there's a whole bunch of great organizations that we
Speaker 2: all know about. But when you get something like this,
Speaker 2: just hit a block on it. Block it. I do
Speaker 2: the same thing with phone calls I get all the time,
Speaker 2: and you're you're in police departments. I get, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm calling from the National Police Officers Protection Agency, And
Speaker 2: I have a brother's a retired state police lieutenant. So
Speaker 2: I get a little upset at this, and I'll ask
Speaker 2: them what percentage actually goes to benefit of police officers
Speaker 2: as opposed to your administrative costs. That point the conversation
Speaker 2: generally ends. But then I blocked their phone number. So
Speaker 2: people just need to realize, you know that there are
Speaker 2: people out there trying to pick everyone's pocket and money
Speaker 2: that you could contribute to, say to the Red Cross
Speaker 2: or Sparingness Purst or some other great organization that we
Speaker 2: know about, or an organization the Salvation Army, any of
Speaker 2: the traditional organization we all know about. It's going to
Speaker 2: go literally to some bank account of Delarus or Dagistan.
Speaker 2: That's what's that or that's what's going on.
Speaker 5: And it's very frustrating, you know, as the creator of
Speaker 5: a charity that helps injuring the disabled officers across this nation,
Speaker 5: it's very frustrating for me because I see these scams
Speaker 5: taking place, you know, you know all the time, and
Speaker 5: you know, what we're doing is we're creating a charity,
Speaker 5: well Arolaty a charry equipment. We're giving other charities that
Speaker 5: are helping police officers who have been affected by these storms.
Speaker 5: Because what happens when I mean, who is it is
Speaker 5: responding during these emergencies, it's the police officers and first
Speaker 5: responders have to leave their own families, their own homes
Speaker 5: in order to help others. So many of these police
Speaker 5: officers homes have been devastated. They're going to issues. So
Speaker 5: what we're doing is we're giving a substantial donation to
Speaker 5: other charities that directly help those officers. So people want
Speaker 5: to give, go to the Wound to Blue dot Org.
Speaker 5: Do one of our T shirts, and all the money
Speaker 5: from the sale of the of the Mountain Blue T
Speaker 5: shirts are going to help these officers whose families are affected.
Speaker 5: And like I said, you know, running a national wide charity.
Speaker 5: And by the way, I take no salary. I've never
Speaker 5: taken a salary from my organization because I live on
Speaker 5: my pension so I can serve my law enforcement community.
Speaker 5: And so I know the scammers is going on, and
Speaker 5: it hurts me deeply when people give to these these
Speaker 5: these scammers who are only lying in their own pockets.
Speaker 5: You got to be.
Speaker 2: Tenant. I hear the passion in your voice. Thank you
Speaker 2: for joining us again. That charity, your charity, a worthwhile
Speaker 2: charity is the Woundedblue Dot Org. It's obviously a five
Speaker 2: o' one c three charity. People will get a letter
Speaker 2: back or some sort of an acknowledgment for tax purposes,
Speaker 2: thanking them right.
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, I appreciate you having me on. There's always
Speaker 5: a pleasure in doing.
Speaker 2: Your show, all right, Lieutenant Randy Sutton again the charity
Speaker 2: the Woundedblue Dot Org. Randy anytime. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Be well, stay safe, thank you. Okay, here comes to
Speaker 2: nine o'clock News. We're going to open up a conversation
Speaker 2: we've never had here, Well, we haven't had it in
Speaker 2: any depth, and that is why are kids allowed to
Speaker 2: bring cell phones and keep them with them in schools?
Speaker 2: All the evidence suggests no cell phones in schools, or
Speaker 2: put them away once you walk in the door and
Speaker 2: pick them up when you're going home at the end
Speaker 2: of the day. Love to talk with you about that
Speaker 2: on the other side of the nine o'clock News.