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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting how what winning can do, right. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's it's awesome stuff. I absolutely love.

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<v Speaker 2>It winning, and I think it almost Sheppak kind of

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<v Speaker 2>speaks to a narrative you were talking about in the

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<v Speaker 2>last segment, which is, I mean, fans just want people

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<v Speaker 2>to spend money, right, But that's almost their defense mechanism

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<v Speaker 2>when the team's not winning. If the team's winning and

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<v Speaker 2>the team's cheap, who the hell cares how much they're spending.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just about winning. And when you're not winning, fans

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<v Speaker 2>want to instantly pivot to the easiest target, which is

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<v Speaker 2>while they're not spending money.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're right, one hundred percent. It does matter for

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<v Speaker 1>the future because people feel like, you want my hard

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<v Speaker 1>earned dollar, You're going to raise my prices. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to cost a lot to park around there. You know

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<v Speaker 1>how much it costs to eat and drink inside a

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<v Speaker 1>ballpark or a stadium whatever. Where is the give back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like when I when my kids were young,

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<v Speaker 1>all my boys wanted to play hockey, and I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be an expensive sport. Every sport can be.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, okay, give back. So I literally had a

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<v Speaker 1>meeting with each one of them, and I said, I

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<v Speaker 1>expect something in return from you, and especially since two

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<v Speaker 1>of them played travel, I said, if you're not practicing,

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<v Speaker 1>if I don't see you working at it, then and

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<v Speaker 1>you should want to work at it because it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's supposed to be a passion of yours, then don't

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<v Speaker 1>expect me to give the financial buy it. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to buy in from me. I want the passion from you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want fake passion. If you don't want to,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't enjoy prepping for it, then don't worry

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<v Speaker 1>about it. It's I'm not going to hold it against you,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not going to spend the money. So one

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<v Speaker 1>of my sons all summer long didn't do anything to

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<v Speaker 1>do anything to improve his his hockey skills, didn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Passion comes around hockey sign up and he's like that,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about time to sign up for hockey. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not playing. What do you mean I'm not playing?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I said to him, I told you, I

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<v Speaker 1>told you this after the season. You want the financial

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<v Speaker 1>buy in from me with your two brothers, I want

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<v Speaker 1>some type of commitment from you. I didn't see it

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to admit that. Well, you're right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're done. That's how fans feel about athletics. You want

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<v Speaker 1>me to buy in. I'm paying forty bucks to park,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm paying whatever it is to cost to go to

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<v Speaker 1>a game. I'm spending a ton of money eating and drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Where's the buy in from? Where's the give back on

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<v Speaker 1>your part? So I get it. That's fine. You're one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent right. When a team's not winning, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>they look at. When a team is winning, they don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing I would say is when a team

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<v Speaker 1>is winning and you don't care and you don't see

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<v Speaker 1>the financial buy in, you got to be careful because

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<v Speaker 1>that will affect you the following year and the year

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<v Speaker 1>after and the year after that. That's what keeps you.

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<v Speaker 1>That financial commitment in the right places, that's what keeps

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<v Speaker 1>you competitive. We saw it firsthand with the Red Wings.

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<v Speaker 1>The Red Wings didn't say I'm going to go out

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna spend money on Brett Hall when Luke

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<v Speaker 1>Roboti and Domino Kashik and the like and then say,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, well we had our run, we had a

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<v Speaker 1>nice championship, and now we're done spending money. No, they

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<v Speaker 1>continue to spend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what it is, right, I mean, if nothing else,

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<v Speaker 2>and I like what you said about it's got to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the right places. But if nothing else, spending

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<v Speaker 2>money as an indicator that the franchise is actively making

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<v Speaker 2>moves to try to win, absolutely in most cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Or yeah, and spending money doesn't have to be on

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<v Speaker 1>free agents, by the way, correct, it can be on

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<v Speaker 1>Like you think that the Red Wings are committed to winning.

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<v Speaker 1>They have locked up Dylan Larkin or it's Cider Lucas Raymond,

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<v Speaker 1>two longer term deals, right, yep. So by looking at

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<v Speaker 1>that alex to brink it, by seeing all that, you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, Okay, this is a team that cares. They care.

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<v Speaker 1>They go out and get Tarasenko, they care about me,

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<v Speaker 1>they care about winning.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to keep those guys your long term. They

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<v Speaker 2>have a vision, they want to build around them. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the same as the Lions bringing back Penney Sewell and

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<v Speaker 2>Broy Zara geoff the going rate, right, and you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know they're gonna pay Aiden Hutchinson absolutely, And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>they signed Taylor Decker. That shouldn't go unnoticed. All those things, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want the Tigers to go out and sign

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<v Speaker 1>Danny Jansen, who will be a free agent catcher and

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<v Speaker 1>is twenty nine years old, and I think would be

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<v Speaker 1>a nice fit here. But I don't want them to

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<v Speaker 1>go out and get him just for the sake of

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<v Speaker 1>getting him and saying, look, I just spent money. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go out and get him for three and

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<v Speaker 1>a half million dollars, I'd say, good for you. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want you spending seven million dollars on James

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<v Speaker 1>McCann when James McCann is going to be thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>years old, coming off a season where he wasn't very good,

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<v Speaker 1>and coming off a backup season. He's only going to

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<v Speaker 1>play the role as a backup anyway. No, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>financially responsible. I don't want that. I hope they don't,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think they will. I want to spend

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<v Speaker 1>in the right place that gives you a long term solution.

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<v Speaker 1>So the obvious answer to a lot of people would be,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go get Jack Flaherty. Let's make sure we resign him. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a possibility. I could see that although he's in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, he's back home. He's with the Dodgers who

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<v Speaker 1>consistently win, you can understand why you'd want to stay

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<v Speaker 1>there too. Money doesn't cure at all. It might make

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<v Speaker 1>you feel good for a moment, but then, and we've

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<v Speaker 1>had this topic before see Ben Gordon, see Charlie Villanueva right,

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<v Speaker 1>see a Croup. See certain guys who you spent money

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<v Speaker 1>on or offered money to Juan Gonzales and said, just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work out.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I have to do I have to see that

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<v Speaker 2>Do I have to remember that ship? Do I have

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<v Speaker 2>to really go down memory lane?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, It doesn't even have to be that

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<v Speaker 1>long ago. You can just hovey your bias. Okay, there

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<v Speaker 1>it is, and that hurts too,