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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're you're really an innovator in the podcast.
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Speaker 3: Well that's not even the worst part. By that implication,
Speaker 3: it means I'd be I'd get kicked out of my
Speaker 3: own podcast and then some loser would drive it into
Speaker 3: the ground in like five years. That would be the
Speaker 3: implications of me being the Steve Jobs of podcasting.
Speaker 4: Well, keep an eye on car Man, keep an eye
Speaker 4: on cars all. Actually, it wouldn't even be car It'd
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Speaker 3: Be someone who just Yeah, it would be someone who
Speaker 3: just calms down some committee and ruins it all. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That would be my luck. Actually, that would be my luck.
Speaker 4: So for and I sent this to the boardroom. Right
Speaker 4: when I was doing research for this episode, I kept
Speaker 4: finding other things that were unrelated but weren't funny. Right.
Speaker 4: So for instance, you know, last time we did the
Speaker 4: chick tracks, which was a lot of fun. Uh, And
Speaker 4: somehow I realized I missed one of the greatest hits,
Speaker 4: which I won't be showing right today. We're talking about
Speaker 4: the Nation of Islam very wise and a gust group
Speaker 4: of scholars.
Speaker 3: We should and for what it's worth, though this means
Speaker 3: nothing to our listeners, we should cover what you're talking
Speaker 3: about it alongside a larger episode about the subject in general,
Speaker 3: because I have a lot to say on it.
Speaker 4: I do too. I'm kind of fascinated by the nih
Speaker 4: This was actually funny enough. My My fascination the going
Speaker 4: on for a very long time. Have you ever seen
Speaker 4: the Louis Theroux documentary of course?
Speaker 3: Oh, of course, which is I think for years my
Speaker 3: friends and I had an in group joke about the guy.
Speaker 3: So Louis is sitting in the hall talking to the
Speaker 3: three Nation of Islam guys and the leader who has
Speaker 3: fingernails of three or four inches long, which is never
Speaker 3: explained by the way he's talking to them, and Louie
Speaker 3: is He's given the opportunity. Louis given the opportunity to
Speaker 3: ask which historical figures are black and which are not.
Speaker 3: And so he asks, like King James, of the King
Speaker 3: James Bible black, and then he asks William Shakespeare. Uh,
Speaker 3: he goes George Washington. He looked black, I think, is
Speaker 3: what he said. He looked black, but he would and
Speaker 3: then he and then he goes, how about William Shakespeare
Speaker 3: And this was the inside joke in the group Chef Forever.
Speaker 3: He goes, undoubtedly black and that is that is such
Speaker 3: a great phrase.
Speaker 4: He takes a breath like he has to like gather himself.
Speaker 3: Right right, Yeah, everybody should watch that. That's probably Lily
Speaker 3: through his best documentary. And it really went all downhill
Speaker 3: after that.
Speaker 4: Well, especially because he's a he's a very kind of
Speaker 4: you know, shrimpy, effeminate British man, right kind of rolled
Speaker 4: over shrimp like in front of this like Rick Ross
Speaker 4: dressed up for like a Christmas pageant is exactly m
Speaker 4: you should have in your head. It's hilarious. So initially
Speaker 4: I was planning on going through a comic that you
Speaker 4: guys have probably seen images from. Uh It's called yakub
Speaker 4: Creator of the White Devil Rays uh. Yes, and to
Speaker 4: be fair, it is accurate as to Yakubian lore. However,
Speaker 4: very disappointed to learn it was actually done by a
Speaker 4: satirical comic book writer, right, one of our guys, it
Speaker 4: seems Frank Edwards, who is really funny, but you know,
Speaker 4: reviewing someone else's funny stuff. You know that they're in
Speaker 4: on the joke. There's only so much you can squeeze
Speaker 4: from that, right, So Frank Edwards again does good work.
Speaker 4: He is correct, right, everything he's describing is actually what
Speaker 4: they think. But you know, there's only so much you
Speaker 4: can get there. However, I have have spent tens of
Speaker 4: minutes collecting actual Nation of Islam comic strips, and you
Speaker 4: can find these on the internet right the NOI, you know,
Speaker 4: runs a sort of a I guess you said, an
Speaker 4: archive of these, however, and you'll notice bird right off
Speaker 4: the rip. A lot of these are edited, mostly because
Speaker 4: even in their own content, they're saying things that you
Speaker 4: and I cannot say right, especially on YouTube or similar platforms.
Speaker 3: Es.
Speaker 4: Okay, you know the old joke like as this Heretz
Speaker 4: or Daily Stormer. It's basically the same thing. Like these
Speaker 4: comics are like the most grotesque like Stormbrunt illustrations you
Speaker 4: can imagine, but they are pretty funny.
Speaker 3: Have you actually gone through and edited them or do
Speaker 3: they have a kind of like family safe version of
Speaker 3: m oh wow, you spent so much more time on
Speaker 3: this than you should have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, all right, did you see that Bird.
Speaker 3: Yes, I sure can.
Speaker 4: So you can see both the illustrations and also my
Speaker 4: censorship here. Okay, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: We're going to have a sneak through today on the
Speaker 3: Jay Burden experience. Is there gonna be one that gets
Speaker 3: through that you forgot about?
Speaker 4: Possibly? It wouldn't be my first.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The review of Blade Rudder Thomas dropped the hard r
Speaker 4: and I forgot to edit that, and remarkably videos still monetized,
Speaker 4: which is a miracle as far as I'm considered.
Speaker 3: It's really funny.
Speaker 4: So so Bert, I'll ask you, you know, you you
Speaker 4: know a little bit about the NI right and a
Speaker 4: lot of these weirdly enough, much like our review of
Speaker 4: Jack Chick is very anti clerical, right, they really hate
Speaker 4: the church. As you can see, there's there's two kind
Speaker 4: of portals here, the mosque and the church. And out
Speaker 4: of the mosque is you know, very conservatively dressed, uh
Speaker 4: black couple, and on the other one is something sort
Speaker 4: of out of a minstrel show. Uh. Do you have
Speaker 4: anything to add on the the sort of ni you know,
Speaker 4: anti clericism and also their relation to the actual uh
Speaker 4: you know, Islamic faith.
Speaker 3: Well, well, there's certainly a lot to be said about that.
Speaker 3: Now I have done, uh, just to plug my own podcast.
Speaker 3: If you go over to the timeline eurth Patreon, I
Speaker 3: should probably make it more easily available. But for the
Speaker 3: entire last year, on Into the Cave, one of the
Speaker 3: sub podcasts to the show, I covered with my co
Speaker 3: host and friend Haas, the entirety of the thought process
Speaker 3: of the Nation of Islam on an episode, So that
Speaker 3: would probably be the best place to go if you
Speaker 3: wanted to really hear all of it. But one thing
Speaker 3: I want to make through before I'd give the explanation
Speaker 3: to your question is we were just talking about the
Speaker 3: louis Through documentary, and it actually occurs to me that
Speaker 3: we made a common mistake that many of us wife
Speaker 3: folk could do. That the Nation of Islam is totally
Speaker 3: distinct from the subject of that documentary, which was the
Speaker 3: Black Hebrew Israelites. And these are now two very different groups.
Speaker 3: Now they are both anti Christian, both of them take
Speaker 3: a similar position on Christianity. The Black Hebrew is realized.
Speaker 3: I won't spend any time on them beyond this one statement.
Speaker 3: They teach that Christianity is basically a Europeanized corruption of
Speaker 3: the true Hebrew faith of the black people, and they
Speaker 3: do believe in Jesus, but they do not believe in
Speaker 3: White Jesus. Now, the subject of what we're discussing is
Speaker 3: the nation of Islam, which was founded by Wallace Ford Muhammad.
Speaker 3: In somebody fact checked me because I think I know
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty nineteen thirty, somebody fact checked me on that
Speaker 3: because I think I'm right, and their opinion is that
Speaker 3: so there. First of all, this faith was largely shaped
Speaker 3: by Elijah Muhammad after the disappearance of Wallace Ford Muhammad,
Speaker 3: who is said to have walked into the ocean and
Speaker 3: disappeared like God's villa, literally true. And Elijah Muhammad developed
Speaker 3: a pretty distinct theology distinct from both Islam and Christianity.
Speaker 3: Their take on Christianity is that it is a slave religion,
Speaker 3: so kind of Benietzschean taken. And I'll say this much.
Speaker 3: Elijah Muhammad is no stupid man. I mean, Elijah Muhammad
Speaker 3: is actually a very philosophically well read guy, including many
Speaker 3: European philosophers such as Nietzsche, and I think he gets
Speaker 3: the same opinion about Christianity that basically that Nietzsche had
Speaker 3: is that it was a slave of religion, and then
Speaker 3: it was this is Elijah Muhammad's take, I'd say, is
Speaker 3: it was imposed upon black people by their their their
Speaker 3: slave masters. And so Elijah Mohammad was basically teaching that
Speaker 3: it was a pacification method to make black people accept
Speaker 3: their their state and their subjugation under the white man
Speaker 3: because it was promising rewards in the afterlife. So basically
Speaker 3: is a Nietzschean kind of take. Pretty standard. Honestly, was
Speaker 3: exactly the same thing Nietzsche thought about it. So what
Speaker 3: do they think about so I would say this much
Speaker 3: use the word anti clerical. Well, I think it's worth
Speaker 3: noting that they're not necessarily anti clerical because they do
Speaker 3: have like a ministerial hierarchy obviously, but it takes and
Speaker 3: it is distinct from Islam, especially Sunni Islam's view of
Speaker 3: the oumah, which is is a clerical system, but it's
Speaker 3: kind of more like Protestants, where there's like, you know,
Speaker 3: whoever whoever has the most knowledge can be a pastor. Right,
Speaker 3: So that's how Islam works, or at Sunni Islam works
Speaker 3: that way. Shia Islam works differently, so they they kind
Speaker 3: of believe you rise through their ranks based on your
Speaker 3: zeal and your knowledge, and the community's impression of you.
Speaker 3: So it's not totally anti clerical, but it is definitely
Speaker 3: strongly anti Christian establishment, basically for the same reason the
Speaker 3: black keeper Israelites believe. It's because they think it's a
Speaker 3: slave religion. They they don't believe Jesus was divine, and
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the nation of Islam here, which is
Speaker 3: standard Islam. They don't believe Jesus was divine, they don't
Speaker 3: believe in the Trinity, they don't believe he resurrected. They
Speaker 3: believe that he Jesus Us, never died on the cross,
Speaker 3: that he was substituted by Allah on the cross with
Speaker 3: another man who was a sinner, which is again standard Islam.
Speaker 3: So I think, yeah, their main ribe with Christianity is
Speaker 3: this kind of pauper esque take that you hear from,
Speaker 3: and it really did originate with them, which is that
Speaker 3: Christianity is a white man's religion. So I would say that.
Speaker 3: And so now we're looking at this comic. Let me
Speaker 3: get a closer to look at this comic. Here you
Speaker 3: can see and I don't I will avoid using this
Speaker 3: word even though it is the accurate term that would
Speaker 3: be used. But there's a word that starts with C
Speaker 3: and ends with N and there's two o's in the
Speaker 3: middle of it, and that is what you're seeing on
Speaker 3: the church side. And they do love to utilize that
Speaker 3: word to describe this sort of black person. Basically they
Speaker 3: think Christianity turns black people into that word that I
Speaker 3: don't want to use because I don't want to get
Speaker 3: you demanotized on YouTube. But yeah, that's basically what you're
Speaker 3: seeing there, is the blancification of the black man. I
Speaker 3: do like the comments that you're seeing there. Mohammad washes
Speaker 3: you up, and there is I don't know which Mohammad
Speaker 3: they're necessarily talking about, but yeah, I would say it's
Speaker 3: they have a certain hatred and skepticism of Christianity, but
Speaker 3: definitely not of Clericalism.
Speaker 4: Well, and there's certain through lines in these because I
Speaker 4: picked from over one hundred, right, and a lot of
Speaker 4: my god, there's so many, and I went through I
Speaker 4: actually did research on this, right, So there's certain through lines. Right,
Speaker 4: Like a lot of them are products of their time.
Speaker 4: They're anti Vietnam War. Many of these were made in
Speaker 4: the sixties and seventies. Right, oh wow, yeah, and this
Speaker 4: is again apparently the newspaper I can't remember the name
Speaker 4: of a lot of them are also just shilling for
Speaker 4: the newspaper, you know.
Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna say, is this the Nation of
Speaker 3: Islam's major newspaper, and these are the it's called Mohammed Speaks.
Speaker 3: Then then it's it's called Mohammad Speaks, and that would
Speaker 3: be I don't remember the guy's last name, but I
Speaker 3: swear to you the guy who illustrated these I have
Speaker 3: to look it up. Yeah, Okay, I was gonna say,
Speaker 3: I was going to say this, but that means the
Speaker 3: guy who created these was went by the name Eugene
Speaker 3: triple X. Fact fact, he was basically their main illustrator.
Speaker 4: I like the idea of like you heard of Malcolm X.
Speaker 4: Now get ready for you?
Speaker 3: Right, Well, if I'm not mistaken, that is that is
Speaker 3: that is kind of why he took the name. If
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, someone can look that up. But I
Speaker 3: am pretty sure he did it, because dude, this is
Speaker 3: like a year ago, so I could be wrong, but
Speaker 3: I I think I'm right about this. Eugene triple X
Speaker 3: hated Malcolm X. They all hated Malcolm X in the
Speaker 3: end because he turned away from the Brotherhood and he
Speaker 3: went towards actual Sonia Islam, and they ended up killing
Speaker 3: him for it. And so if I'm not mistaken, hold on,
Speaker 3: I'm looking this up, okay. I. So, in nineteen sixty four,
Speaker 3: Eugene Triple X, whose actual name is Eugene Rivers, but
Speaker 3: he also went by the name my Jed. I guess,
Speaker 3: he drew a comic that showed Malcolm X's severed head
Speaker 3: on top of a pile of skulls. So he not
Speaker 3: only did he hate Malcolm X, but it's almost definitely
Speaker 3: the case that he took the name Eugene triple X
Speaker 3: to be three times better than Malcolm X.
Speaker 4: That's a level of pettiness that I just find incredibly abusing.
Speaker 4: So one of the other weird ones is dietary restrictions. Right,
Speaker 4: So this one, oh, sure, the Devil's diet for the righteous.
Speaker 4: Some of this is uh some of this is uh illegible, right, Uh?
Speaker 3: I could tell I can tell you each one of
Speaker 3: these if you're.
Speaker 4: Sure, because you'll notice there's some that you can kind
Speaker 4: of get right, like a muscle, yeah, yes, like pork
Speaker 4: or alcohol or tobacco. But there's others that are just
Speaker 4: baffling to me, like this will.
Speaker 3: Be well, so this this will be obvious to you
Speaker 3: when you go, oh, yeah, that makes sense. So this pork,
Speaker 3: of course, right in the middle of there, there's also catfish.
Speaker 3: Now catfish is a bottomed feet, so they don't eat it.
Speaker 3: You're seeing the thing in the corner down there on
Speaker 3: the bottom left, maybe you can see what that is.
Speaker 3: But if you can't, what is that is that corn bread?
Speaker 3: That is corn bread? Right, So okay, now go up
Speaker 3: to the top left. What is that? Take a guess.
Speaker 4: I have absolutely no idea.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's collared greens. Are you sensing a pattern?
Speaker 4: Yes, there's yeah, yes, I'm picking.
Speaker 3: Up the pattern is of course that it's it's and
Speaker 3: this is real not actually listeners should assume unless I
Speaker 3: clarify here because I have a lot of knowledge on this.
Speaker 3: So sad, because we spent almost a year learning about it.
Speaker 3: That is the reason why you're seeing cornbread at fish
Speaker 3: also collared greens is because it's slave raisine and so
Speaker 3: this is a kind of this is a kind of
Speaker 3: way to culturally distance themselves from I mean, these guys
Speaker 3: are genuinely mentally scarred by the legacy of slavery, and
Speaker 3: so they're trying to do everything that they can to
Speaker 3: differentiate themselves from what they view as the see word
Speaker 3: that ends with ann with two o's in the middle.
Speaker 3: That they kind of view the majority black American population as.
Speaker 4: And I assume can't rattlesnake that that has to be
Speaker 4: some sort of slang because I refuse to believe that
Speaker 4: people were canning.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't even know what that is. I don't
Speaker 3: I don't even know what that is. If I had
Speaker 3: to take a guess, it's metaphorical. Yeah, I'd say it's
Speaker 3: metaphorical to refer to any canned good as.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: What's a snake? Right, Snakes have venom? So I guess
Speaker 3: like the idea is like avoid and food because it's
Speaker 3: it's it's just bad for you, which not a terrible no.
Speaker 3: You're making me want to look some of this stuff up. So,
Speaker 3: because well, I get this for sure, and.
Speaker 4: Also it's worth it's worth referencing several of these. We
Speaker 4: will see multiple takes on and Okay, the illustrations as
Speaker 4: far as diet go to insane depths, the way that
Speaker 4: they draw their oad is unflattering. I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure. Okay, Before we continue here, let me
Speaker 3: give you the list. So Elijah Muhammad wrote a book.
Speaker 3: It's called How to Eat to Live. Here's some of
Speaker 3: the things in it. You're not allowed to eat tuna, alibit, parp, catfish,
Speaker 3: basically any fish that weighs more than fifty pounds. Turtles
Speaker 3: and their eggs, frogs, oysters, crabs, clams, snails, shrimp, eels
Speaker 3: can eat any of this. Not allowed to eat ease
Speaker 3: unless they're sweet peas, that's fine. Canny collar greens, canny
Speaker 3: cabbage sprouts. Can't eat turnip salad. No white potatoes, rice, pasta, grits, popcorn,
Speaker 3: sweet potatoes. You can't eat none of that. You have
Speaker 3: to have posher salt. You can't have regular salt. You
Speaker 3: need posher salt, and stay away from soda. Generally not
Speaker 3: bad advice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, they're kind of winning me around here. Uh
Speaker 4: My Eugene Triple X top guy, I think I might.
Speaker 3: I think I think I'm gonna go around calling with
Speaker 3: well Eugene Quadruple Acts.
Speaker 4: That that will be the the tim Cook of Timeline
Speaker 4: Earth it's just you with the new name and some
Speaker 4: shoe polish. So another another common one, right is is
Speaker 4: the back to Africa stuff. Right, So this one we
Speaker 4: have four figures, uh, one of whom is again less
Speaker 4: than darna, less than a flattering sense. You're the police officer,
Speaker 4: right saying you on, Americans, watch your step. Then there's
Speaker 4: a an Indian fellow back to Europe my country, right,
Speaker 4: obviously getting supposed hypocrisy.
Speaker 3: That's now this is interesting before we move on. Look
Speaker 3: at the man's the Native Americans features here. They are
Speaker 3: reliably Native American features, which is pretty interesting to me because,
Speaker 3: as you may know, this is kind of a thing
Speaker 3: that both the Black Keeper Israelites do and the Nation
Speaker 3: of Islam do. They kind of believe that the Native
Speaker 3: Americans either were the original blacks and inhabited the American continent,
Speaker 3: or they believe that they were Mongolians who replaced the
Speaker 3: original inhabitants of the continent who were blacks African people.
Speaker 3: Although I think it's the Black Keeper Israelites who believe
Speaker 3: the original Native Americans and some still existing groups of
Speaker 3: Native Americans were black, and I think the Nation of
Speaker 3: Islam just kind of thinks the original inhabitant indigenous inhabitants
Speaker 3: of America who were black were replaced by Mongols. We'll
Speaker 3: call them mongols.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean quite literally, the black keepers relate are
Speaker 4: the origin of the you was meme? Right, is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: We was kings. You know.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: What's actually interesting is that the uh, the Edwards comic,
Speaker 4: to give him credit, he actually studied these illustrations. And
Speaker 4: you can tell because the you know, the yakubi and
Speaker 4: white people are drawn very very similar to how you
Speaker 4: know this white cop is right, and so you know,
Speaker 4: the last there's a sort of a an Uncle Tom
Speaker 4: esque figure right saying me on American and then in
Speaker 4: the back right which by the way, this is a
Speaker 4: very poorly uh composed artwork. It's actually kind of hard
Speaker 4: to understand what Ell is going on here. But in
Speaker 4: the background, uh, you see the you know, the the
Speaker 4: Nation of Islam fellow and he says, this day every
Speaker 4: man must go back to his own The earth belongs
Speaker 4: to the original black man.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: Interesting stuff there.
Speaker 3: Now, that is that is quite interesting. I guess I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: maybe I'm info dumping too much, and you like not
Speaker 3: if I am, But so that belongs to the original
Speaker 3: black people. Now this black people. So here's the thing. Now,
Speaker 3: when you when you hear the term black people, you
Speaker 3: think about Africans, right, But as far as I recall,
Speaker 3: the Nation of Islam is very adamant that they are
Speaker 3: not African. They refer to themselves as Middle Eastern or Asiatic.
Speaker 3: So they don't like to be called African. They like
Speaker 3: to be called Asiatic. And I think that's because of
Speaker 3: the Islam thing. So that's kind of interesting to see
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 4: You're one hundred percent right, and we will see the
Speaker 4: recurrence of Asia. Right, ill defined Asia, but not Asians, right.
Speaker 4: They don't like those guys either. So this one is
Speaker 4: the kind of you know, anti Christian stuff, right. I
Speaker 4: won't read through it, but it's this kind of corpulent
Speaker 4: black minister with a kroker bag full of money, which
Speaker 4: is kind of funny.
Speaker 3: And I mean this absolutely exists in the black community,
Speaker 3: by the way. That kind of like high rolling evangelical
Speaker 3: who believes that time should go directly to his wallet.
Speaker 3: This is a very real thing.
Speaker 4: The real reason I included this one is because I
Speaker 4: think I just like exposing you to anti Catholic bigotry
Speaker 4: because in the bottom left, two panels right. He turns
Speaker 4: to the Pope and I will not imitate the accent.
Speaker 4: That would be very disrespectful, but it is written and
Speaker 4: it sort of acclude you bonics.
Speaker 3: Oh, I see he's on the phone with the real pope.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen. If the Pope can bless people, he can
Speaker 3: make people say so, well, I can too. Wow.
Speaker 4: And then read the next one.
Speaker 3: Right, he's just another white cracker pulling off the best
Speaker 3: hustle ever been thought up. And just because he's white,
Speaker 3: them uppity really next to.
Speaker 4: Again, if you should we.
Speaker 3: Have a corner on black chumps. Wow, this is very polemical.
Speaker 4: It is very political. Uh. And again this is a
Speaker 4: this is an archetype that does exist in that community.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: Oh, So again we see the classic. There's also a
Speaker 4: lot of these that are firmly anti integration of all
Speaker 4: of the topics. This is the one that I could
Speaker 4: not pull from the most, as you can imagine, because
Speaker 4: they are, to use your phrase, quite polemical. Right. But
Speaker 4: in this one we have we have sure, we said,
Speaker 4: an eager young brother looking at this sort of skeletal
Speaker 4: temptress right, and over top of her, she's got a cigarette.
Speaker 4: In one hand, a bottle of liquor on the on
Speaker 4: the end of the couch, and it just says Christianity
Speaker 4: tempts her slave, and uh, you know the guy she
Speaker 4: has a cross around her neck that says integration and uh,
Speaker 4: you know on the the the other side, right, the
Speaker 4: truth of self and her would save you. Idea that
Speaker 4: you don't know who you are, know who you know
Speaker 4: the church is a common theme, right, The idea that
Speaker 4: you know, sag enation or Christianity are you know, weakening
Speaker 4: to this culture.
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by that one. Honestly, I don't know any
Speaker 3: words for that one. Anti integrationists you said, people don't
Speaker 3: realize this, but they, the Nation of Islam did not
Speaker 3: participate in as far as I know, any civil rights activism.
Speaker 3: I know Malcolm X was deeply against like the March
Speaker 3: on Washington for instance, totally against it. So not only
Speaker 3: the non integration is but they they didn't even want
Speaker 3: to integrate with blacks who are who were within the
Speaker 3: civil rights movement. There's an even isolation. This is probably
Speaker 3: a better way even to describe them.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, And it's uh, it's a common theme through
Speaker 4: this right, So in this one. We have another kind
Speaker 4: of two paths. Right one door the door to hell. Uh.
Speaker 4: It says integration on it and behind it door you
Speaker 4: see the flames and the end of American black Man.
Speaker 4: And on the door signed the Muslims. Just just kind
Speaker 4: of funny, you see a message that says no, thank
Speaker 4: you independence. And on the other side, you know, looking
Speaker 4: through this door, you see this kind of futuristic city,
Speaker 4: uh with you know, of course trains, we have public transport,
Speaker 4: and it says we are a nation within a nation.
Speaker 4: Allah offers us a place on this our own earth
Speaker 4: to live in peace. The door says Mohammad's program for
Speaker 4: the black Man infinite future has now gone on the
Speaker 4: black Man, which again there's sort of a mucho texto
Speaker 4: element to this black man all one word. But you
Speaker 4: know again that kind of you know, firmly anti integration,
Speaker 4: the idea that integration is, you know, the cultural destruction
Speaker 4: that you see from the NLI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they so this maybe this would surprise some people
Speaker 3: as well, but they as far as I know, the
Speaker 3: original nation of Islam, that's to say, Wallace Fard Muhammad's
Speaker 3: iteration before it was taken over by Elijah didn't even
Speaker 3: they didn't even use the Koran. This was not even
Speaker 3: a holy text that they utilize at all. And you
Speaker 3: may get to some comics that discuss that in detail.
Speaker 3: And as far as I know, it was Elijah Muhammad
Speaker 3: who brought the Koran in with some with what would
Speaker 3: kindly be described as some unorthodox interpretations of the text.
Speaker 3: But they so like their relationship with other groups of
Speaker 3: Islam is Obviously Islam thinks they're heretical, and they just
Speaker 3: they they they don't even honestly, I don't even know,
Speaker 3: And it seems like they did a very good job
Speaker 3: of keeping the membership unwise of Sunni Islam and Islam.
Speaker 3: They not only do they keep a distant but they
Speaker 3: stay like it's it's weird because they use so much
Speaker 3: Islamic like vocabulary, and they have the clothing and the
Speaker 3: identity as Muslims, and they do borrow some of those practices,
Speaker 3: like the prayer. They do the prayer five times a day,
Speaker 3: they fast, and they fast on Ramadon, so they have
Speaker 3: an aligned calendar with with Sunni Islam. And as we
Speaker 3: saw earlier, they have many of the same dietary restrictions.
Speaker 3: They view the Orthodox Muslim to those blasphemers if they
Speaker 3: talk about them at all. So they've done a very
Speaker 3: strong job, especially post Malcolm X's nineteen seventy five you
Speaker 3: know split I think it was nineteen seventy five, maybe
Speaker 3: it was earlier than that. They they've done a really
Speaker 3: intense job of trying to keep their group from ever
Speaker 3: even thinking about actual Islam.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is actually a detail I didn't know. So
Speaker 4: we have returned to the dietary. Wow, you see what
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 3: That's horrify. Yeah, there's a lot of loot.
Speaker 4: It's horrifying, way grotesque. And the one in the back
Speaker 4: would make a great profile picture like just that face.
Speaker 3: Very true. You're seeing a surprising amount of colorism as well,
Speaker 3: right Like they in the black community, they refer to
Speaker 3: this idea of colorim people when not know that colorism
Speaker 3: it's kind of an inter black racial conflict where the
Speaker 3: darker skinned you are, you're often associated as being more
Speaker 3: of a low class kind of person. And it's interesting
Speaker 3: right in here. I don't know if this is just
Speaker 3: an issue of the comic being scanned, but it certainly
Speaker 3: doesn't seem like that. It seems like they are intentionally
Speaker 3: choosing to depict the non Islamic and I use it
Speaker 3: in quotes black as being darker skinned, Yes.
Speaker 4: And with shall we say, less than charitable representation of
Speaker 4: their human.
Speaker 3: Feature facial features? Yes, yes, true as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah so in this one, right, it's this sort of
Speaker 4: like deliberately horrifying table. Right, it's kind of blinking, you know,
Speaker 4: it has like a you know, pig pow stenche coming
Speaker 4: off of it. You have presumably his wife in the background,
Speaker 4: literally just eyes and teeth. Right, there are facial features
Speaker 4: to be seen, and you know this is all about
Speaker 4: the dangers of pork. Right. The top line says, read
Speaker 4: what Allah has revealed of this poisoned swine eating the
Speaker 4: wrong food. It forms your features and your characteristics. Right,
Speaker 4: The idea of the swine makes you like one.
Speaker 3: They're quite what do we have in that bright box?
Speaker 3: And I'm very fascinated by the the meal in this cartoon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let me let me plow that up again.
Speaker 4: That'd be a very funny profile picture. In fact, I
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: There seems to be an intentional use of the word
Speaker 3: swine as well. I don't know, I don't know why
Speaker 3: that is, but they're choosing to use the Germanic route
Speaker 3: for some reason, and I'm not sure why.
Speaker 4: The meal in this cartoon consists of one hundred percent swine.
Speaker 4: The gentleman is eating the feet. The swine is eaten
Speaker 4: by the black man from his snoot to his tail.
Speaker 4: The intestines chitterlings is the prided part. He is the ugliest, facilliest, healthy,
Speaker 4: smelly animal. He lives and thrives off of filth. Poison
Speaker 4: has little effect upon him.
Speaker 3: That's a lie that says lying. Why something else? Oh hot, ash,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know how you say that.
Speaker 4: Alla said this animal was grafted from cat, rat and dog.
Speaker 4: I like in the in the midst of that invective,
Speaker 4: they just say the pig is the silliest animal, right, like, oh,
Speaker 4: we can't have any silly animals here. Uh uh? And
Speaker 4: then next issue the pork orb and the effect of
Speaker 4: poison on the eater of the swine flesh. Keep your
Speaker 4: eye on this picture again, the albo. But uh did
Speaker 4: you it's the little girl in the bottom right eating
Speaker 4: what I assume is a is a pigtail.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: I though, shit's shocking. I mean it's it is, uh,
Speaker 3: you know it. It is something that makes you go
Speaker 3: if a why guy made this, right, it makes you
Speaker 3: have that old sort of reflective thing that sometimes we
Speaker 3: do where we go if we did this.
Speaker 4: News yeah, now, yeah, the uh I think it's funny
Speaker 4: that they choose the word snoot s n oot. That's
Speaker 4: not me doing like a reddit holesome jungus, that's the
Speaker 4: word they picked.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, that is oh yeah. You can see it
Speaker 3: in the bottom, by the way, if you go back
Speaker 3: just right the bottom there, it's got my geed as
Speaker 3: the Stegned artist.
Speaker 4: He illustrated almost all of these.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: Yes, this one is slightly more baffling.
Speaker 3: This is a different This is clearly a different artist.
Speaker 4: Right. So this is a you know, it seems to
Speaker 4: be a you know, a poor white family to have
Speaker 4: the you know, the liquor jug, the kids not wearing
Speaker 4: your shoes, they were in you know, overalls, and he's
Speaker 4: talking to a guy the press, right, And I think
Speaker 4: this is an anti racist UFO cartoon.
Speaker 3: I'm reading it as you're describing, and I have no
Speaker 3: idea what the message here is.
Speaker 4: So it says I couldn't see nobody in the flying object,
Speaker 4: but the chauffeur, well, I guess he was the chauffeur
Speaker 4: he was black? Is is this racist to assume that
Speaker 4: black people can only drive flying saucers if their chauffeurs?
Speaker 4: Is that the angle? Like, genuinely I'm baffled by this.
Speaker 3: I don't know what this one is, but I kind
Speaker 3: of appreciate the family guy ask style that it's being drawn.
Speaker 4: Also, this is signed Gerald x two, which means I
Speaker 4: really hope this guy is doing the duplicate name thing
Speaker 4: and his name is Gerald Gerald. Uh. I can't prove that.
Speaker 4: I just think this one is funny and utterly confused.
Speaker 3: That's really good. And you found this and you found
Speaker 3: that one on a Nation of Islam website, so we
Speaker 3: know this is associated with This is.
Speaker 4: N O i w C the official Nation of Islam
Speaker 4: website dot info slash comics. I will include the links
Speaker 4: if you. There are literally hundreds of these. Uh maybe now.
Speaker 3: Because the artist has signed their name down there, but
Speaker 3: I just can't. I know it says something two.
Speaker 4: X, but I just can't.
Speaker 3: Oh, Gerald's two x Gerald, isn't it?
Speaker 4: Yes, That's why I'm hoping it's Gerald. Jerald is his
Speaker 4: name just because.
Speaker 3: It's Funeral Gerald? Wimp? Another one up draw us Another
Speaker 3: one baffle us.
Speaker 4: That's the comic. This is Wizard Reverord.
Speaker 3: Is completely certainly, certainly like genuinely.
Speaker 4: Even with full like empathy, like trying to sync into
Speaker 4: this belief system. I do not know what the point
Speaker 4: of this is. Is it supposed to be that white
Speaker 4: people are stupid for seeing UFO, Like genuinely, I do
Speaker 4: not know what.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, and I don't know either.
Speaker 3: And now sometimes I'll go to the fresh market in
Speaker 3: northern Miami and it seems to be it located in
Speaker 3: an area with many of these adherents because for reasons
Speaker 3: I'll explain to you after the show, it was revealed
Speaker 3: to me that a number of people who work at
Speaker 3: this location are kind of Nation of ISLAMI And again,
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but it it. It was made
Speaker 3: clear to me that a lot of these folks just
Speaker 3: kind of grow up in this situation. So we're on
Speaker 3: we are on generals three or four of cognizant black
Speaker 3: Americans who grew up in this system, and I mean
Speaker 3: exclusively in this system. It's a very insular system. So
Speaker 3: we're reading something like this and we're going, what is
Speaker 3: this supposed to mean? Well, the honest truth is it
Speaker 3: may have some deeply esoteric meaning that it means nothing
Speaker 3: to us, but it's something that they all know because
Speaker 3: they all kind of grew up hearing it, and we
Speaker 3: may see that in many of these cases.
Speaker 4: That's my best bet, because otherwise I am completely and
Speaker 4: totally baffled.
Speaker 3: Is that the dying gall that has does that's got
Speaker 3: to be the dying gall. Yes, that has to be
Speaker 3: a reference of the dying gall.
Speaker 4: This is another one I've had to edit, right, so this.
Speaker 3: Oh so your edits are covering the funny word, the
Speaker 3: special funny words? Yeah, okay, And can I ask you
Speaker 3: when the special funny word was written? It's a hard
Speaker 3: R or a soft a.
Speaker 4: Uh hard r like you don't get me wrong punches yeah, uhh.
Speaker 4: So in this one, which again kind.
Speaker 3: Of this guy.
Speaker 4: With the roach, Yeah, I think it's MLKA.
Speaker 3: That's gotta be MLK, right, yeah, wow, because it's such
Speaker 3: a recognizable visit, it's gotta be. Mkay my god.
Speaker 4: So this one, it's another complicated composition. Right, we have
Speaker 4: this this soup pine. Uh you know, black man beleaguered, Right,
Speaker 4: he's in rags, he's got rats eating. How would you
Speaker 4: describe it bird.
Speaker 3: That would know I didn't actually don't think there's a
Speaker 3: better word than what you use to describe him.
Speaker 4: Uh so he is. He has got on one side
Speaker 4: a man in a fez comforting him right the Nation
Speaker 4: of Islam, and in behind him it's sort of like
Speaker 4: a seventies portrait taking it a mall. There's a like
Speaker 4: a cloud, and out of it it says, on his
Speaker 4: way to rulership. Right at the top, it says it
Speaker 4: was Mohammed who came out with a three year program
Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty four to fight poverty and want among
Speaker 4: our people, which is kind of a funny thing to say.
Speaker 4: So MLK is running up with like a I assume
Speaker 4: that's one of those like old timey fumigators, right the
Speaker 4: pump powered.
Speaker 3: Right some some kind of stupefying gas.
Speaker 4: Would says rat and roach killer. I see. Maybe I
Speaker 4: assume the thing is that he's not actually fixing the problem.
Speaker 4: He's just getting rid of the roaches and raps that
Speaker 4: are eating his feet. Maybe that's the angle. And behind
Speaker 4: him you have the kind of scowling white capitalist figure, right,
Speaker 4: the monopoly man saying reverend, I don't don't I have
Speaker 4: a housing and slum clearance and rat control program for you.
Speaker 4: With the black minister next to him, there's also just
Speaker 4: like a stacked up blonde lady in the back.
Speaker 3: I see that. I see that as well, and she's
Speaker 3: drawn quite flatteringly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that is a student of the art.
Speaker 3: Tells you a little bit about the inner psychology there
Speaker 3: when it's worth So, okay, can I can I can
Speaker 3: I break this down? Can a white boy break this
Speaker 3: one down?
Speaker 4: Buzz it out? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Can what? Can a white boy speak a little Japanese
Speaker 3: on him for a minute? Okay? So now we're seeing
Speaker 3: you see the man dressed in the in the in
Speaker 3: the in the regular Nation of Islam. Garb over there,
Speaker 3: who's grasping the head of the soup pine black man.
Speaker 3: We're seeing a cloud that depicts and and what is
Speaker 3: it saying.
Speaker 4: On Mlk's coattail. It says rat and killer.
Speaker 3: The cloud above. Uh, this is on my way to rulership,
Speaker 3: on his way to rulership. So rulership. It's it's not
Speaker 3: just a it's not just like a word that they use.
Speaker 3: This is a central theological concept in the Nation of Islam,
Speaker 3: and this is going to get us sense of the
Speaker 3: good stuff. So I'm gonna break it down for you.
Speaker 3: In the beginning, I'm trying to remember this stuff, so
Speaker 3: I may get some of this wrong. But in the beginning,
Speaker 3: there was Allah, and when Allah established the world, he
Speaker 3: created twenty three angels, and the twenty three angels were
Speaker 3: each supposed to be given.
Speaker 4: Like a.
Speaker 3: Were they angels? You know what I'm thinking?
Speaker 4: They were? Oh?
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, okay. Now it's all coming back to me
Speaker 3: because this is the point of the story. So you've
Speaker 3: heard about Yakub. What was Yakhoub's profession? Do you remember
Speaker 3: Yakoub's profession?
Speaker 4: He was a scientist and a tricknologist.
Speaker 3: He was well triggering, he was He definitely was a scientist.
Speaker 3: He definitely created the science of technology. Now, so okay,
Speaker 3: So in their kind of like cosmology, there is a
Speaker 3: twenty I'llah creates twenty three angel scientists, and each one
Speaker 3: of them is supposed to have a astrological period of
Speaker 3: rulership over the universe or the planet. I don't remember
Speaker 3: which one it is, and I and it's I think
Speaker 3: it's like twelve thousand years maybe or something like that.
Speaker 3: And this is the this is where Yakub comes into
Speaker 3: the story because Jakub is one of the original angel
Speaker 3: scientists that was created by Allah and it was his
Speaker 3: turn to rule and to rule the earth. He created
Speaker 3: white people, and he, you know, and we all know
Speaker 3: sorry about how he was very ugly and he came
Speaker 3: to hate the others because they mocked him for his ugliness,
Speaker 3: and so he created white people because he wanted to
Speaker 3: rule the world. And so the way that he was
Speaker 3: able to rule the world was he created white people
Speaker 3: and he taught them a system of tricknology, and that's
Speaker 3: how white people rule the world by applying the system
Speaker 3: of tricknology. And the Nation of Islam has always said
Speaker 3: that the ruling angel scientists allowed the creation by Yakoub
Speaker 3: of the others because they felt that by creating by
Speaker 3: creating white people, black people would realize that human beings
Speaker 3: have this deep seated evilness inside of all of them,
Speaker 3: all humans, including in the black man, and the tricknological
Speaker 3: era that Yakoub presides over would be an opportunity for
Speaker 3: black people to learn how to deal and defeat evil
Speaker 3: right and so they so they in the process of
Speaker 3: Yakub's rulership over the universe through white people using trichnology.
Speaker 3: They say this is their period to learn uh and
Speaker 3: to to to learn how to defeat evil. Basically, so
Speaker 3: white rulership for them is like a punishment. It's a
Speaker 3: divine lesson to learn how to defeat evil in the future.
Speaker 3: And at some point white rulership is going to end
Speaker 3: because the black man will learn how to defeat trichnology.
Speaker 3: And if I'm not mistaken, we are now outside of
Speaker 3: the period of Yakub's rulership over the world. I think
Speaker 3: the Nation of Islam was actually created. When the Nation
Speaker 3: of Islam was created, it was the end of Yakub's
Speaker 3: trichnological rain over the universe, if I'm not mistaken. And
Speaker 3: so this like basically Nation of Islam is saying we
Speaker 3: have solved the tricknological problem. And so the black man
Speaker 3: that you see there who's dressed in the Nation of
Speaker 3: Islam garb, this is a symbol of the black man
Speaker 3: who is to them, who is the owner of the
Speaker 3: whole planet and believes in the one True God Allah.
Speaker 3: He's waiting to become the ruler over the universe in
Speaker 3: the way that the white man was for however long
Speaker 3: eight thousand years, twelve thousand years, and I'll remember. But
Speaker 3: he is now waiting for rulership to take over the
Speaker 3: universe from the white man. Now that he's cracked the
Speaker 3: code and he has he has discovered how to defeat technology.
Speaker 3: And so when you see all of these, you know,
Speaker 3: the dietary laws and the fact that they won't participate
Speaker 3: in the civil rights movement, and the fact that they
Speaker 3: hate Christianity. All of this assemblage is meant to be
Speaker 3: the counter to technology. And so they've basically invented a
Speaker 3: complete anti white system that they believe any deviance from,
Speaker 3: deviation from becomes trignological. So they've managed to kind of
Speaker 3: lock in their eschatology in a in a rhetorically very
Speaker 3: powerful way. And so that's kind of that's what rulership is.
Speaker 3: It's a key I guess you'd call it eschatology because
Speaker 3: it refers to the at least the end of the
Speaker 3: previous world, which is ruled by the Yakubians. They are
Speaker 3: now stepping up to rule for I guess, however long,
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's eternity or if they eventually
Speaker 3: believe that this period of rulership will end I don't know,
Speaker 3: they never got there, but that's what you're seeing there.
Speaker 4: Who's next up to bat? Right? Like it's a great
Speaker 4: question because you know it's you've got some time, but like, right,
Speaker 4: you know, is it? Are the Filipinos up next? Like?
Speaker 4: Are they that you know? As he Michael Jones says, right,
Speaker 4: the star children? You know, maybe.
Speaker 3: The cosmic race.
Speaker 4: I think that's.
Speaker 3: For two years, that's the Jose Vascncelos believe the Mexicans
Speaker 3: were the cosmic race. Yeah, yes, so I think it
Speaker 3: would be a category error to assume that each of
Speaker 3: the god scientists, you know, these angelic science I'm looking
Speaker 3: it up. They're called God scientists, each of them is
Speaker 3: a different race, because remember it's Ja Cub through science
Speaker 3: creates every non black race. Remember Ja Cub is working
Speaker 3: towards the creation of the perfect evil in a way,
Speaker 3: if you've ever read Madame Blovotski's The Secret Doctrine, or
Speaker 3: if you've ever gotten into freemasonry or what am I
Speaker 3: I'm forgetting the word for it, but this idea that
Speaker 3: there's different root races, right, and each root race has
Speaker 3: arised in a different nastrological period. It's kind of reminiscent
Speaker 3: of that. But it would be a mistake to say
Speaker 3: each of the God scientists is different race, because remember,
Speaker 3: Yakub has created all of the non black races. I
Speaker 3: think he created I could get this wrong, but I
Speaker 3: think he created Native Americans second, after blacks, he watched
Speaker 3: them a little literally, it's described as genetic washing, and
Speaker 3: then he created Asians, and then he created whites like
Speaker 3: it's some progression. Actually, Yakub wasn't even around when whites
Speaker 3: were created. It was his cohort because Yakub had died
Speaker 3: by the time whites were perfected. So yeah, pathmosts right
Speaker 3: on the island of potmost, that's correct. Yeah, his scientists
Speaker 3: who followed his technological doctrines eventually created white people, but
Speaker 3: they had to go through the process of creating every
Speaker 3: other race first. So I think it would be a
Speaker 3: mistake to say the other God scientists were other races,
Speaker 3: and that all of the God scientists, I think they're
Speaker 3: just black, right, I think all of them are black,
Speaker 3: including Yakub. Yakoub was black. It's just he was evil
Speaker 3: and he was evil because now I don't know this
Speaker 3: was here, but I think Yakub became evil because he
Speaker 3: began to hate himself because he was mocked for his
Speaker 3: very large head, which is a very unusual thing because
Speaker 3: it kind of makes you go in a way, the
Speaker 3: black man mocking another black man is what created evil
Speaker 3: in the world. So it's you kind of have to
Speaker 3: put it at the feet of the other god scientists, right,
Speaker 3: you have to kind of have to go. If you
Speaker 3: guys just accepted Yakpou for who he was, you wouldn't
Speaker 3: have this whole trichonological problem.
Speaker 4: But I don't know if that discootical conundrum if you will.
Speaker 3: And a flummoxing if you will. People are probably going,
Speaker 3: why does he know so much?
Speaker 4: So this actually, uh, this connects very very well to
Speaker 4: this comic book or to this comic panel. Right to
Speaker 4: a figure in the center and he's got again surrounding him. Yep, maji.
Speaker 4: Uh you know they're a figure years off screen with
Speaker 4: guns pointed at him in the barricade.
Speaker 3: Oh there you go, yeng.
Speaker 4: Yes, one says the white man's way, the yellow man's way,
Speaker 4: the red man's way, and then a burst of light
Speaker 4: from from you know, stage left, which says Mohammed's way
Speaker 4: to freedom. And at the bottom it says he seeks
Speaker 4: every way with his own. This is interesting because you know,
Speaker 4: you've mentioned the connection to Asia, which comes up in
Speaker 4: a lot of other comics. I did not show because
Speaker 4: I didn't know we were fresh on it. But there
Speaker 4: is a distinction, of course between like the idealized Asia
Speaker 4: and then also, as she would say, the yellow man,
Speaker 4: not my words but his yea quoting a civil rights icon. Uh.
Speaker 4: By the way, I'm so mad this didn't come out
Speaker 4: on MLK Day. That would have been really funny.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: We should yeah, we should have. Yeah, that's we really
Speaker 3: should have.
Speaker 4: Before it is again we see the same you know,
Speaker 4: kind of dramatic casting of this.
Speaker 3: So so and can we go back to that for
Speaker 3: one more and they'll be quick on this. First of all,
Speaker 3: I find it very funny that there is you can
Speaker 3: see there's six barricades, maybe seven barricades, so you can
Speaker 3: see in their cosmology, right, there's three races. Clearly besides
Speaker 3: the black man, there's three. Now the brown race is okay,
Speaker 3: I looked it up. This is the order of operations.
Speaker 3: The black race was created by Allah and then Yakoob
Speaker 3: created first the brown race, which refers to I'm not
Speaker 3: sure who. I don't know because it doesn't refer to who. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it kind of a catch all. Then he created the
Speaker 3: red race, then he created the yellow race, and then
Speaker 3: he created the white race. Okay, so in their cosmology
Speaker 3: there are four other races besides the black race, very
Speaker 3: very bluemenbaki and I mean this is like I'm telling you,
Speaker 3: Wallace Vard Muhammad and Elijah Muhammad were very much into
Speaker 3: early German race science, like late eighteen hundreds or early
Speaker 3: nineteen hundreds. They had to be very inspired by this
Speaker 3: stuff because you can't just come up with this stuff
Speaker 3: out of nowhere. But it's so you're seeing six barricades,
Speaker 3: but just to be clear, there's only five races in
Speaker 3: their cosmology. And as you can see, one of the
Speaker 3: barricades is open because it's the black man's way. So
Speaker 3: you're getting these other three barricades. One of them is
Speaker 3: going to be the brown man's way, but then there's
Speaker 3: two others. We can only imagine what those two others
Speaker 3: are supposed to symbolize. Oh oh, one of Okay, this
Speaker 3: is not a joke. This is not a joke. I'm
Speaker 3: remembering this now. The reason why there are this is
Speaker 3: not a joke. It's not, it's not. This is real.
Speaker 3: The reason why there are gorillas in the world, sorry,
Speaker 3: this is real. The reason why there are gorillas in
Speaker 3: the world is because during this the hundreds of years
Speaker 3: it took to create the devilish white race, there were
Speaker 3: some mistakes, and in the process of making some mistakes,
Speaker 3: they created gorillas. So, and this is true in proper
Speaker 3: nature of islam biology. Gorillas, and I think apes of
Speaker 3: all kinds are basically just devolved whites. They they're like
Speaker 3: genetically messed up whites. So one of those pylons there
Speaker 3: says brown, and one of them certainly says gorilla, which
Speaker 3: leaves one more pylon, the unknown pylon, which we just
Speaker 3: won't know what it says.
Speaker 4: It just says gorilla mode. Right, That is all I said,
Speaker 4: No gorilla mode. The next one is similarly baffling, but
Speaker 4: might well be one of the funniest images I've ever
Speaker 4: seen on the internet. Bird Oh, oh my god, robotic
Speaker 4: Santa Claus just says black Santa on it. That's it.
Speaker 3: A robot Freddie fog Bear style robot, kind of like animatronic.
Speaker 4: Do you remember on the Birdsman's episode when we talked
Speaker 4: about the kind of sacral importance of Santa Claus as
Speaker 4: a figure. I think this image really puts my theory
Speaker 4: at risk. Uh this would be another great profile picture
Speaker 4: by the way. This right, but uh wow, yes, I
Speaker 4: guess the implication is that, you know, greedy white capitalists
Speaker 4: are giving money to nat King Cole who lives inside
Speaker 4: of robot Santa.
Speaker 3: That's incredible. Now, this image brings up a topic in
Speaker 3: my mind that has not been discussed yet. But you
Speaker 3: may have pulled a comic that goes into it. But
Speaker 3: we should briefly talk about Judaism within the Nation of
Speaker 3: Islam complex. Do you have a comic on Judaism? I don't, Okay,
Speaker 3: this probably will be a this. Yeah, that's pretty interesting
Speaker 3: that you didn't find any, because they are anti Semitism
Speaker 3: as a word that might be rightly applied to the
Speaker 3: Nation of Islam.
Speaker 4: I think Lewison made some infamous comments.
Speaker 3: That now, but a lot of the comics that you're
Speaker 3: seeing here are from the Elijah Muhammad era before Lewis
Speaker 3: Farrah Coon takes over and that stuff really comes to
Speaker 3: the forefront. But it should definitely be mentioned that even
Speaker 3: Wallace Forard Muhammad going back as far As the nineteen
Speaker 3: thirties was saying that Judaism was an evil religion because
Speaker 3: even though the Jews had received the Divine Scriptures, they
Speaker 3: immediately began to tamper with it. And which, by the way,
Speaker 3: the Divine Scriptures were originally written in Arabic, just to
Speaker 3: be clear here, so they weren't written in Hebrew. They
Speaker 3: were originally written in Arabic, and then he believed they
Speaker 3: were converted into Hebrew. So one of the things that
Speaker 3: I want to bring up is to bring up here's
Speaker 3: a big contrast between the Nation of Islam and the
Speaker 3: Black Hebrew Israelites. Is the question of the white man.
Speaker 3: So now the white man is created by the Yakubian
Speaker 3: scientists in the Nation of Islam schema. This does not
Speaker 3: exist in the Black Hebrew Zerelite schema. And it's actually
Speaker 3: that there's an interesting divergence when it comes to the
Speaker 3: question of the Jews. Both groups believe that the Jews
Speaker 3: as we know them, this is to say, Ashkenazi Jews.
Speaker 3: So the Ascanism is sapfhard him the Misrahim. All of
Speaker 3: the Jews that we know of, they're all white. They're
Speaker 3: all white people. And the departing notion, as far as
Speaker 3: I remember, is actually kind of interesting scripturally. The Black
Speaker 3: Keep so that Black Keeper Israelites believe that that the
Speaker 3: white Jews, that is to say that people who I
Speaker 3: just named are the descendants of Esau. So if you
Speaker 3: know your Bible, then you kind of know the relationship
Speaker 3: between Jacob, who becomes this reel after wrestling with God
Speaker 3: or one of the angels. He becomes Israel, which the
Speaker 3: term Israel means he who struggles with God, which is
Speaker 3: the kind of notional change in Jacob's name to refer
Speaker 3: to Jacob's progeny as being the ones who know God
Speaker 3: and struggle to know him. And Esau branches off and
Speaker 3: becomes kind of like an animalistic man. In black Hee
Speaker 3: Berw Israel, he basically goes right, he's the red haired devil.
Speaker 3: It goes gorilla mode. In the black Keep Berw Israelite genre,
Speaker 3: they say that they are the descendants of Jacob, and
Speaker 3: that the white Jews, the people who call themselves Jews
Speaker 3: who are really white, are the descendants of Esau. So
Speaker 3: you kind of know the tension there. But here's the
Speaker 3: big difference. The Nation of Islam believes that Jacob is
Speaker 3: the progenitor of those white Jews that we're talking about,
Speaker 3: and that Esau is just kind of a consequential, inconsequential
Speaker 3: figure in that way, they kind of have this similar
Speaker 3: Biblical interpretation in the sense that it's Jacob who is
Speaker 3: the main subject and Esau who's kind of cast off
Speaker 3: as a side subject. And that's so that's one of
Speaker 3: their big divides, is the Nation of Islam distances themselves
Speaker 3: both from Jacob and Esau. They believe Jacob is kind
Speaker 3: of an impostor, a white Jew who is part of
Speaker 3: that white devil race, and that Esau is also kind
Speaker 3: of a white devil. It's not the Jews that we
Speaker 3: know of, and it's the black keeper Israelite. You say, no,
Speaker 3: Jacob was black and Esau was ruddy, which is in
Speaker 3: the Bible. Esau was that's true, meaning he was red
Speaker 3: of face and pale skinned. So the divide for the
Speaker 3: black Heeber Israelites is at the point of Jacob and Esau.
Speaker 3: So they don't have as funny enough, even though you
Speaker 3: kind of view them as even more extreme than the
Speaker 3: Nation of Islam. They don't have a theological view about whites.
Speaker 3: They believe that whites are kind of the side the
Speaker 3: other brothers who believe that they have a birthright but don't,
Speaker 3: and that they are the sons of Jacob, the true Israel,
Speaker 3: the real children of Israel, who will be delivered unto
Speaker 3: God's promises. And it's the Nation of Islam who I
Speaker 3: believe have a kind of even more, much more extreme view,
Speaker 3: where whites are not just like you know, brothers' intention,
Speaker 3: but they're like cosmologically evil, like metaphysically evil. Right. So
Speaker 3: you know, we always view those guys standing in Times
Speaker 3: Square with their magician outfits and stuff as being the
Speaker 3: kind of real extremists. But really, if you're a white person,
Speaker 3: the Nation of Islam is they are the real extremists
Speaker 3: because they view you as metaphysically evil and not just
Speaker 3: kind of like a brother intention. Don't mistake me. Both
Speaker 3: of them think you're very evil, but they think about
Speaker 3: it in different ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the black he Brews are really just don't have
Speaker 4: a cosmology of white people, right, Right, It's not this
Speaker 4: like eternal trichnological struggle. Right.
Speaker 3: Can I give you one more thought that I have
Speaker 3: on this, yeh, Because there's a really interesting thing I'm
Speaker 3: sure you know about this, but the Nation of Islam
Speaker 3: has at various times engaged with white supremacists. Yes, they've
Speaker 3: made out alliances with white supremacists. I'm sure you know
Speaker 3: that Elijah Mohmand had a somewhat surprisingly close relationship with
Speaker 3: George Lincoln Rockwell, who is the founder of the American
Speaker 3: Nazi Party. I mean, I'm reading this now. I never
Speaker 3: knew this till right now at a nineteen sixty two
Speaker 3: this is like a TL had to write this, but
Speaker 3: this is real. I'm gonna just read what it says.
Speaker 3: In one early instance, Elijah Muhammad invited American Nazi Party
Speaker 3: boss George Lincoln Rockwell to the Nation of Islam's nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty two Saviors Day conference. Rockwell spoke at the event
Speaker 3: and therein christened Elijah Muhammad as quote the adult hitler
Speaker 3: of the black Man.
Speaker 4: That would be such a great title for this episode,
Speaker 4: but I can't do that. That's hilarious.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that until right now. That's amazing.
Speaker 4: Like it really is like the version of that theme
Speaker 4: where it's like the guy in Dreads and the you know,
Speaker 4: the redneck dude, you know, holding hands, and it's like,
Speaker 4: this is what they fear right.
Speaker 3: It's uh, yes, yes, that's just I'm only bringing that
Speaker 3: up because we just got off the Judaism. I think
Speaker 3: that's a great way to kind of end the section
Speaker 3: on Judaism of this episode.
Speaker 4: So this is actually related to that's about or apes.
Speaker 3: Right, freaking yoga mash. That's freaking Gilgamesh right there, that's
Speaker 3: heat saw.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got the man yeah with his club. Uh,
Speaker 4: you know the obviously.
Speaker 3: Now talk about a good profile picture.
Speaker 4: There's so many. Either one of these, right, would go great. Uh.
Speaker 4: There's some honestly really fun illustrations in this. I see
Speaker 4: why they Wow, seems like a lot of fun. This
Speaker 4: one is just, oh my god, very funny to me. So, uh,
Speaker 4: here we have.
Speaker 3: This is not this is doesn't seem theological.
Speaker 4: That's where I So you have a white couple. The
Speaker 4: woman's in curlers with sort of a magic school bus
Speaker 4: s dress, and Harry legs, you know, a fat, kind
Speaker 4: of slovy white guy with his hand on Wow, A
Speaker 4: young brother just saying, son, it's about time your mother
Speaker 4: and I told you you're adopted. I don't know what
Speaker 4: the message is.
Speaker 3: I just thought it's about time I told you you're
Speaker 3: the Adolph Hitler of The Black Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is a memorialization of George Lincoln
Speaker 4: Rockwell and his wife talking to uh.
Speaker 3: I like that. This one doesn't really seem to This
Speaker 3: one feels like it was illustrated by the same guy
Speaker 3: who did the UFO on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's leaving me going, what the hell does this mean?
Speaker 4: And honestly, maybe he just thought it was funny. There's
Speaker 4: no wider message.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I agree, Thank you Gerald, Gerald for your illustrations.
Speaker 4: Thank you Eugen x three. All right at our last illustration,
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, which again I find completely baffling, very funny. Again,
Speaker 4: this is another drawing you or I could not have made.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: It's a It's a guy wearing giant shoes that say
Speaker 4: Mohammad's program and he just wow, I'll steal him for myself.
Speaker 4: He's trying to run up and take Muhammad's Jay's It's
Speaker 4: just tragic.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what that is supposed to me,
Speaker 3: and I think I could take a guess, but I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't. This is very unclear to It's obviously the
Speaker 3: kind of like the shoes, like the shoes are too
Speaker 3: big for you or walk a mile in my shoes
Speaker 3: something like that, like you can't fill the shoes? Is
Speaker 3: that expression one hundred percent?
Speaker 4: I'll be honest. I just saw an illustration of a
Speaker 4: brother stealing shoes, and I thought that was pretty funny.
Speaker 4: That was about his great thought press worked in this well.
Speaker 3: As you can tell, mister Burden, I think a lot
Speaker 3: about this subject.
Speaker 4: Clearly much more than I do. My God, I'm impressed Bird.
Speaker 4: This was a remarkably scholarly tone for this happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one of the five subjects I would
Speaker 3: say I have more knowledge on than most of my
Speaker 3: white brothers.
Speaker 4: Yes, I would say, you know, honestly, I'm almost impressed.
Speaker 4: You were truly are a scholar of the scholars.
Speaker 3: Thank you. As you can kind of see by my
Speaker 3: my character image, I was deeply inspired by Moss.
Speaker 4: Jed deeply inspired by Eugene Eugene or Gerald.
Speaker 3: Gerald Gerald Jerald's Yeah, I think it would be Eugene
Speaker 3: Eugene Eugene Ever being honest.
Speaker 4: That should be their new naming convention, right, just Rade
Speaker 4: to quit generations more copies of the same name.
Speaker 3: How does it feel to get off of the r
Speaker 3: and McIntyre show to hop onto this, like, what does
Speaker 3: it feel like? What's your life? Blag dude, dude's a mess.
Speaker 3: I'm going gorilla would like to talk about this with me?
Speaker 3: I think so you should. You should have you on.
Speaker 3: You can even bring out your power point right to
Speaker 3: and I talk NonStop for fifty five minutes. He can't
Speaker 3: get a word him.
Speaker 4: That's a great idea the monologue. That's actually a very
Speaker 4: funny idea. Bird to get high profile guests and just
Speaker 4: completely edit them out right, just on him, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: and just cut any response so it's like the beginning.
Speaker 4: In the end, it just fades to nothing. Don't even
Speaker 4: cut the dead air, just have like ten seconds of
Speaker 4: solid static like good point anyway back to the island
Speaker 4: of pat.
Speaker 3: Yes, you're gonna want to hear this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but black Santa Man who is driving a UFO
Speaker 4: and listen to show bird. It's been a ton of
Speaker 4: flood man.
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