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Speaker 2: Remaining live Man I Like It, Man, Let Butterfly, Flattini Wing,

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Dig Down and on force Man it go cause a

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tree fall? Let five thouve mile away Man nobody say nobody.

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Speaker 3: You know need no man, we don't. It'd luck you

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call in your story and you got righted for like

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that way, man, don't like it?

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Speaker 2: Dag on panel right now you don't.

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Speaker 4: Okay, No, there's.

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Speaker 3: No leg Okay, because it felt like that was a

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good content already.

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Speaker 4: Yeah for good.

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Speaker 3: Please have a mind for the content.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're you're really an innovator in the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, thanks, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: It really just the Steve Jobs of podcasting. Jesus, Okay,

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you had to take a time, Bob Man, You've got

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explosive shall evidently is carrot. Jeez.

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Speaker 3: Well that's not even the worst part. By that implication,

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it means I'd be I'd get kicked out of my

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own podcast and then some loser would drive it into

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the ground in like five years. That would be the

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implications of me being the Steve Jobs of podcasting.

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Speaker 4: Well, keep an eye on car Man, keep an eye

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on cars all. Actually, it wouldn't even be car It'd

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be someone who just it would.

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Speaker 3: Be someone who just Yeah, it would be someone who

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just calms down some committee and ruins it all. Yeah.

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That would be my luck. Actually, that would be my luck.

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Speaker 4: So for and I sent this to the boardroom. Right

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when I was doing research for this episode, I kept

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finding other things that were unrelated but weren't funny. Right.

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So for instance, you know, last time we did the

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chick tracks, which was a lot of fun. Uh, And

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somehow I realized I missed one of the greatest hits,

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which I won't be showing right today. We're talking about

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the Nation of Islam very wise and a gust group

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of scholars.

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Speaker 3: We should and for what it's worth, though this means

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nothing to our listeners, we should cover what you're talking

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about it alongside a larger episode about the subject in general,

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because I have a lot to say on it.

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Speaker 4: I do too. I'm kind of fascinated by the nih

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This was actually funny enough. My My fascination the going

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on for a very long time. Have you ever seen

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the Louis Theroux documentary of course?

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Speaker 3: Oh, of course, which is I think for years my

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friends and I had an in group joke about the guy.

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So Louis is sitting in the hall talking to the

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three Nation of Islam guys and the leader who has

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fingernails of three or four inches long, which is never

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explained by the way he's talking to them, and Louie

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is He's given the opportunity. Louis given the opportunity to

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ask which historical figures are black and which are not.

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James Bible black, and then he asks William Shakespeare. Uh,

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he goes George Washington. He looked black, I think, is

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what he said. He looked black, but he would and

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then he and then he goes, how about William Shakespeare

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He goes, undoubtedly black and that is that is such

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Speaker 4: He takes a breath like he has to like gather himself.

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Speaker 3: Right right, Yeah, everybody should watch that. That's probably Lily

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through his best documentary. And it really went all downhill

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Speaker 4: Well, especially because he's a he's a very kind of

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you know, shrimpy, effeminate British man, right kind of rolled

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dressed up for like a Christmas pageant is exactly m

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you should have in your head. It's hilarious. So initially

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guys have probably seen images from. Uh It's called yakub

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Creator of the White Devil Rays uh. Yes, and to

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be fair, it is accurate as to Yakubian lore. However,

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very disappointed to learn it was actually done by a

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satirical comic book writer, right, one of our guys, it

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seems Frank Edwards, who is really funny, but you know,

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reviewing someone else's funny stuff. You know that they're in

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on the joke. There's only so much you can squeeze

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they think. But you know, there's only so much you

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can get there. However, I have have spent tens of

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minutes collecting actual Nation of Islam comic strips, and you

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archive of these, however, and you'll notice bird right off

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the rip. A lot of these are edited, mostly because

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even in their own content, they're saying things that you

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Speaker 4: Okay, you know the old joke like as this Heretz

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or Daily Stormer. It's basically the same thing. Like these

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comics are like the most grotesque like Stormbrunt illustrations you

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can imagine, but they are pretty funny.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, all right, did you see that Bird.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I sure can.

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Speaker 4: So you can see both the illustrations and also my

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censorship here. Okay, this is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: We're going to have a sneak through today on the

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Jay Burden experience. Is there gonna be one that gets

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Speaker 4: Possibly? It wouldn't be my first.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The review of Blade Rudder Thomas dropped the hard r

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and I forgot to edit that, and remarkably videos still monetized,

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which is a miracle as far as I'm considered.

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Speaker 3: It's really funny.

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Speaker 4: So so Bert, I'll ask you, you know, you you

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lot of these weirdly enough, much like our review of

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Jack Chick is very anti clerical, right, they really hate

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the church. As you can see, there's there's two kind

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of portals here, the mosque and the church. And out

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of the mosque is you know, very conservatively dressed, uh

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black couple, and on the other one is something sort

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of out of a minstrel show. Uh. Do you have

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anything to add on the the sort of ni you know,

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anti clericism and also their relation to the actual uh

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Speaker 3: Well, well, there's certainly a lot to be said about that.

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entire last year, on Into the Cave, one of the

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sub podcasts to the show, I covered with my co

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of the Nation of Islam on an episode, So that

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would probably be the best place to go if you

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wanted to really hear all of it. But one thing

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to your question is we were just talking about the

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louis Through documentary, and it actually occurs to me that

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we made a common mistake that many of us wife

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folk could do. That the Nation of Islam is totally

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distinct from the subject of that documentary, which was the

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Black Hebrew Israelites. And these are now two very different groups.

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Now they are both anti Christian, both of them take

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a similar position on Christianity. The Black Hebrew is realized.

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I won't spend any time on them beyond this one statement.

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They teach that Christianity is basically a Europeanized corruption of

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the true Hebrew faith of the black people, and they

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do believe in Jesus, but they do not believe in

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White Jesus. Now, the subject of what we're discussing is

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the nation of Islam, which was founded by Wallace Ford Muhammad.

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In somebody fact checked me because I think I know

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nineteen thirty nineteen thirty, somebody fact checked me on that

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because I think I'm right, and their opinion is that

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so there. First of all, this faith was largely shaped

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by Elijah Muhammad after the disappearance of Wallace Ford Muhammad,

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who is said to have walked into the ocean and

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disappeared like God's villa, literally true. And Elijah Muhammad developed

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a pretty distinct theology distinct from both Islam and Christianity.

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Their take on Christianity is that it is a slave religion,

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so kind of Benietzschean taken. And I'll say this much.

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Elijah Muhammad is no stupid man. I mean, Elijah Muhammad

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is actually a very philosophically well read guy, including many

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European philosophers such as Nietzsche, and I think he gets

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the same opinion about Christianity that basically that Nietzsche had

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is that it was a slave of religion, and then

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it was this is Elijah Muhammad's take, I'd say, is

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it was imposed upon black people by their their their

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slave masters. And so Elijah Mohammad was basically teaching that

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it was a pacification method to make black people accept

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their their state and their subjugation under the white man

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because it was promising rewards in the afterlife. So basically

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exactly the same thing Nietzsche thought about it. So what

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do they think about so I would say this much

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use the word anti clerical. Well, I think it's worth

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it is distinct from Islam, especially Sunni Islam's view of

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the oumah, which is is a clerical system, but it's

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kind of more like Protestants, where there's like, you know,

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whoever whoever has the most knowledge can be a pastor. Right,

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that way. Shia Islam works differently, so they they kind

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of believe you rise through their ranks based on your

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zeal and your knowledge, and the community's impression of you.

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strongly anti Christian establishment, basically for the same reason the

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black keeper Israelites believe. It's because they think it's a

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slave religion. They they don't believe Jesus was divine, and

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standard Islam. They don't believe Jesus was divine, they don't

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believe in the Trinity, they don't believe he resurrected. They

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believe that he Jesus Us, never died on the cross,

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that he was substituted by Allah on the cross with

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another man who was a sinner, which is again standard Islam.

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this kind of pauper esque take that you hear from,

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and it really did originate with them, which is that

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get a closer to look at this comic. Here you

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can see and I don't I will avoid using this

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word even though it is the accurate term that would

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middle of it, and that is what you're seeing on

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the church side. And they do love to utilize that

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word to describe this sort of black person. Basically they

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think Christianity turns black people into that word that I

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don't want to use because I don't want to get

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you demanotized on YouTube. But yeah, that's basically what you're

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seeing there, is the blancification of the black man. I

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do like the comments that you're seeing there. Mohammad washes

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you up, and there is I don't know which Mohammad

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they're necessarily talking about, but yeah, I would say it's

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they have a certain hatred and skepticism of Christianity, but

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definitely not of Clericalism.

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Speaker 4: Well, and there's certain through lines in these because I

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my god, there's so many, and I went through I

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actually did research on this, right, So there's certain through lines. Right,

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Islam's major newspaper, and these are the it's called Mohammed Speaks.

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Then then it's it's called Mohammad Speaks, and that would

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be I don't remember the guy's last name, but I

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swear to you the guy who illustrated these I have

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to look it up. Yeah, Okay, I was gonna say,

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I was going to say this, but that means the

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guy who created these was went by the name Eugene

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triple X. Fact fact, he was basically their main illustrator.

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Speaker 4: I like the idea of like you heard of Malcolm X.

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Now get ready for you?

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, if I'm not mistaken, that is that is

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that is kind of why he took the name. If

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I'm not mistaken, someone can look that up. But I

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am pretty sure he did it, because dude, this is

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like a year ago, so I could be wrong, but

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I I think I'm right about this. Eugene triple X

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hated Malcolm X. They all hated Malcolm X in the

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end because he turned away from the Brotherhood and he

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went towards actual Sonia Islam, and they ended up killing

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him for it. And so if I'm not mistaken, hold on,

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I'm looking this up, okay. I. So, in nineteen sixty four,

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Eugene Triple X, whose actual name is Eugene Rivers, but

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he also went by the name my Jed. I guess,

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he drew a comic that showed Malcolm X's severed head

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on top of a pile of skulls. So he not

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only did he hate Malcolm X, but it's almost definitely

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the case that he took the name Eugene triple X

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to be three times better than Malcolm X.

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Speaker 4: That's a level of pettiness that I just find incredibly abusing.

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So one of the other weird ones is dietary restrictions. Right,

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So this one, oh, sure, the Devil's diet for the righteous.

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Some of this is uh some of this is uh illegible, right, Uh?

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Speaker 3: I could tell I can tell you each one of

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these if you're.

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Speaker 4: Sure, because you'll notice there's some that you can kind

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of get right, like a muscle, yeah, yes, like pork

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or alcohol or tobacco. But there's others that are just

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baffling to me, like this will.

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Speaker 3: Be well, so this this will be obvious to you

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when you go, oh, yeah, that makes sense. So this pork,

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of course, right in the middle of there, there's also catfish.

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Now catfish is a bottomed feet, so they don't eat it.

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You're seeing the thing in the corner down there on

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the bottom left, maybe you can see what that is.

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But if you can't, what is that is that corn bread?

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That is corn bread? Right, So okay, now go up

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to the top left. What is that? Take a guess.

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Speaker 4: I have absolutely no idea.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's collared greens. Are you sensing a pattern?

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Speaker 4: Yes, there's yeah, yes, I'm picking.

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Speaker 3: Up the pattern is of course that it's it's and

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this is real not actually listeners should assume unless I

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clarify here because I have a lot of knowledge on this.

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So sad, because we spent almost a year learning about it.

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That is the reason why you're seeing cornbread at fish

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also collared greens is because it's slave raisine and so

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this is a kind of this is a kind of

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way to culturally distance themselves from I mean, these guys

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are genuinely mentally scarred by the legacy of slavery, and

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so they're trying to do everything that they can to

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differentiate themselves from what they view as the see word

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that ends with ann with two o's in the middle.

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That they kind of view the majority black American population as.

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Speaker 4: And I assume can't rattlesnake that that has to be

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some sort of slang because I refuse to believe that

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people were canning.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't even know what that is. I don't

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I don't even know what that is. If I had

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to take a guess, it's metaphorical. Yeah, I'd say it's

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metaphorical to refer to any canned good as.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 3: What's a snake? Right, Snakes have venom? So I guess

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like the idea is like avoid and food because it's

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it's it's just bad for you, which not a terrible no.

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You're making me want to look some of this stuff up. So,

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because well, I get this for sure, and.

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Speaker 4: Also it's worth it's worth referencing several of these. We

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will see multiple takes on and Okay, the illustrations as

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far as diet go to insane depths, the way that

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they draw their oad is unflattering. I'll leave it at that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure. Okay, Before we continue here, let me

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give you the list. So Elijah Muhammad wrote a book.

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It's called How to Eat to Live. Here's some of

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the things in it. You're not allowed to eat tuna, alibit, parp, catfish,

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basically any fish that weighs more than fifty pounds. Turtles

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and their eggs, frogs, oysters, crabs, clams, snails, shrimp, eels

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can eat any of this. Not allowed to eat ease

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unless they're sweet peas, that's fine. Canny collar greens, canny

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cabbage sprouts. Can't eat turnip salad. No white potatoes, rice, pasta, grits, popcorn,

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sweet potatoes. You can't eat none of that. You have

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to have posher salt. You can't have regular salt. You

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need posher salt, and stay away from soda. Generally not

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bad advice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, they're kind of winning me around here. Uh

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My Eugene Triple X top guy, I think I might.

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Speaker 3: I think I think I'm gonna go around calling with

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well Eugene Quadruple Acts.

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Speaker 4: That that will be the the tim Cook of Timeline

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Earth it's just you with the new name and some

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shoe polish. So another another common one, right is is

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the back to Africa stuff. Right, So this one we

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have four figures, uh, one of whom is again less

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than darna, less than a flattering sense. You're the police officer,

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right saying you on, Americans, watch your step. Then there's

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a an Indian fellow back to Europe my country, right,

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obviously getting supposed hypocrisy.

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Speaker 3: That's now this is interesting before we move on. Look

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at the man's the Native Americans features here. They are

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reliably Native American features, which is pretty interesting to me because,

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as you may know, this is kind of a thing

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that both the Black Keeper Israelites do and the Nation

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of Islam do. They kind of believe that the Native

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Americans either were the original blacks and inhabited the American continent,

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or they believe that they were Mongolians who replaced the

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original inhabitants of the continent who were blacks African people.

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Although I think it's the Black Keeper Israelites who believe

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the original Native Americans and some still existing groups of

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Native Americans were black, and I think the Nation of

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Islam just kind of thinks the original inhabitant indigenous inhabitants

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of America who were black were replaced by Mongols. We'll

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call them mongols.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean quite literally, the black keepers relate are

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the origin of the you was meme? Right, is that right? Yeah?

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We was kings. You know.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: What's actually interesting is that the uh, the Edwards comic,

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to give him credit, he actually studied these illustrations. And

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you can tell because the you know, the yakubi and

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white people are drawn very very similar to how you

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know this white cop is right, and so you know,

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the last there's a sort of a an Uncle Tom

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esque figure right saying me on American and then in

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the back right which by the way, this is a

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very poorly uh composed artwork. It's actually kind of hard

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to understand what Ell is going on here. But in

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the background, uh, you see the you know, the the

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Nation of Islam fellow and he says, this day every

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man must go back to his own The earth belongs

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to the original black man.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Interesting stuff there.

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Speaker 3: Now, that is that is quite interesting. I guess I'm sorry,

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maybe I'm info dumping too much, and you like not

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if I am, But so that belongs to the original

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black people. Now this black people. So here's the thing. Now,

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when you when you hear the term black people, you

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think about Africans, right, But as far as I recall,

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the Nation of Islam is very adamant that they are

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not African. They refer to themselves as Middle Eastern or Asiatic.

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to be called Asiatic. And I think that's because of

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the Islam thing. So that's kind of interesting to see

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in there.

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Speaker 4: You're one hundred percent right, and we will see the

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recurrence of Asia. Right, ill defined Asia, but not Asians, right.

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They don't like those guys either. So this one is

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the kind of you know, anti Christian stuff, right. I

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won't read through it, but it's this kind of corpulent

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black minister with a kroker bag full of money, which

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is kind of funny.

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Speaker 3: And I mean this absolutely exists in the black community,

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by the way. That kind of like high rolling evangelical

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who believes that time should go directly to his wallet.

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This is a very real thing.

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Speaker 4: The real reason I included this one is because I

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think I just like exposing you to anti Catholic bigotry

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because in the bottom left, two panels right. He turns

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to the Pope and I will not imitate the accent.

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That would be very disrespectful, but it is written and

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it sort of acclude you bonics.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I see he's on the phone with the real pope.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen. If the Pope can bless people, he can

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make people say so, well, I can too. Wow.

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Speaker 4: And then read the next one.

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Speaker 3: Right, he's just another white cracker pulling off the best

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hustle ever been thought up. And just because he's white,

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them uppity really next to.

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Speaker 4: Again, if you should we.

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Speaker 3: Have a corner on black chumps. Wow, this is very polemical.

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Speaker 4: It is very political. Uh. And again this is a

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this is an archetype that does exist in that community.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Oh, So again we see the classic. There's also a

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lot of these that are firmly anti integration of all

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of the topics. This is the one that I could

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not pull from the most, as you can imagine, because

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they are, to use your phrase, quite polemical. Right. But

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in this one we have we have sure, we said,

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an eager young brother looking at this sort of skeletal

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temptress right, and over top of her, she's got a cigarette.

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In one hand, a bottle of liquor on the on

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the end of the couch, and it just says Christianity

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tempts her slave, and uh, you know the guy she

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has a cross around her neck that says integration and uh,

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you know on the the the other side, right, the

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truth of self and her would save you. Idea that

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you don't know who you are, know who you know

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the church is a common theme, right, The idea that

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you know, sag enation or Christianity are you know, weakening

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to this culture.

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Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by that one. Honestly, I don't know any

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words for that one. Anti integrationists you said, people don't

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realize this, but they, the Nation of Islam did not

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participate in as far as I know, any civil rights activism.

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I know Malcolm X was deeply against like the March

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on Washington for instance, totally against it. So not only

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the non integration is but they they didn't even want

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to integrate with blacks who are who were within the

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civil rights movement. There's an even isolation. This is probably

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a better way even to describe them.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, And it's uh, it's a common theme through

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this right, So in this one. We have another kind

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of two paths. Right one door the door to hell. Uh.

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It says integration on it and behind it door you

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see the flames and the end of American black Man.

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And on the door signed the Muslims. Just just kind

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of funny, you see a message that says no, thank

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you independence. And on the other side, you know, looking

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through this door, you see this kind of futuristic city,

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uh with you know, of course trains, we have public transport,

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and it says we are a nation within a nation.

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Allah offers us a place on this our own earth

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to live in peace. The door says Mohammad's program for

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the black Man infinite future has now gone on the

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black Man, which again there's sort of a mucho texto

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element to this black man all one word. But you

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know again that kind of you know, firmly anti integration,

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the idea that integration is, you know, the cultural destruction

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that you see from the NLI.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they so this maybe this would surprise some people

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as well, but they as far as I know, the

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original nation of Islam, that's to say, Wallace Fard Muhammad's

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iteration before it was taken over by Elijah didn't even

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00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:47,799
they didn't even use the Koran. This was not even

473
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,519
a holy text that they utilize at all. And you

474
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:55,039
may get to some comics that discuss that in detail.

475
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,640
And as far as I know, it was Elijah Muhammad

476
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:01,920
who brought the Koran in with some with what would

477
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,720
kindly be described as some unorthodox interpretations of the text.

478
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:11,119
But they so like their relationship with other groups of

479
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,400
Islam is Obviously Islam thinks they're heretical, and they just

480
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,359
they they they don't even honestly, I don't even know,

481
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,799
And it seems like they did a very good job

482
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:28,119
of keeping the membership unwise of Sunni Islam and Islam.

483
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,400
They not only do they keep a distant but they

484
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,319
stay like it's it's weird because they use so much

485
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,039
Islamic like vocabulary, and they have the clothing and the

486
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,519
identity as Muslims, and they do borrow some of those practices,

487
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,559
like the prayer. They do the prayer five times a day,

488
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:50,400
they fast, and they fast on Ramadon, so they have

489
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,920
an aligned calendar with with Sunni Islam. And as we

490
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,359
saw earlier, they have many of the same dietary restrictions.

491
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,000
They view the Orthodox Muslim to those blasphemers if they

492
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:07,200
talk about them at all. So they've done a very

493
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:12,160
strong job, especially post Malcolm X's nineteen seventy five you

494
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,599
know split I think it was nineteen seventy five, maybe

495
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:18,880
it was earlier than that. They they've done a really

496
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,480
intense job of trying to keep their group from ever

497
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:24,440
even thinking about actual Islam.

498
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is actually a detail I didn't know. So

499
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:34,839
we have returned to the dietary. Wow, you see what

500
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:35,119
I mean?

501
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:37,119
Speaker 3: That's horrify. Yeah, there's a lot of loot.

502
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 4: It's horrifying, way grotesque. And the one in the back

503
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,720
would make a great profile picture like just that face.

504
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 3: Very true. You're seeing a surprising amount of colorism as well,

505
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,720
right Like they in the black community, they refer to

506
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:56,240
this idea of colorim people when not know that colorism

507
00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:59,400
it's kind of an inter black racial conflict where the

508
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,839
darker skinned you are, you're often associated as being more

509
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,720
of a low class kind of person. And it's interesting

510
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:09,720
right in here. I don't know if this is just

511
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,319
an issue of the comic being scanned, but it certainly

512
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:16,079
doesn't seem like that. It seems like they are intentionally

513
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,920
choosing to depict the non Islamic and I use it

514
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:27,640
in quotes black as being darker skinned, Yes.

515
00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 4: And with shall we say, less than charitable representation of

516
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:33,880
their human.

517
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: Feature facial features? Yes, yes, true as well.

518
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 4: Yeah so in this one, right, it's this sort of

519
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:45,000
like deliberately horrifying table. Right, it's kind of blinking, you know,

520
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,359
it has like a you know, pig pow stenche coming

521
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,039
off of it. You have presumably his wife in the background,

522
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,680
literally just eyes and teeth. Right, there are facial features

523
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,799
to be seen, and you know this is all about

524
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:02,440
the dangers of pork. Right. The top line says, read

525
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:06,440
what Allah has revealed of this poisoned swine eating the

526
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,000
wrong food. It forms your features and your characteristics. Right,

527
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:13,079
The idea of the swine makes you like one.

528
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:17,039
Speaker 3: They're quite what do we have in that bright box?

529
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:21,240
And I'm very fascinated by the the meal in this cartoon.

530
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let me let me plow that up again.

531
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,000
That'd be a very funny profile picture. In fact, I

532
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:29,279
like that.

533
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: There seems to be an intentional use of the word

534
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,480
swine as well. I don't know, I don't know why

535
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:38,279
that is, but they're choosing to use the Germanic route

536
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,319
for some reason, and I'm not sure why.

537
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,599
Speaker 4: The meal in this cartoon consists of one hundred percent swine.

538
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,960
The gentleman is eating the feet. The swine is eaten

539
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:53,079
by the black man from his snoot to his tail.

540
00:32:53,279 --> 00:33:00,359
The intestines chitterlings is the prided part. He is the ugliest, facilliest, healthy,

541
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:05,319
smelly animal. He lives and thrives off of filth. Poison

542
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,480
has little effect upon him.

543
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:14,359
Speaker 3: That's a lie that says lying. Why something else? Oh hot, ash,

544
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,960
I don't I don't know how you say that.

545
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,599
Speaker 4: Alla said this animal was grafted from cat, rat and dog.

546
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:28,519
I like in the in the midst of that invective,

547
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,559
they just say the pig is the silliest animal, right, like, oh,

548
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:38,480
we can't have any silly animals here. Uh uh? And

549
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:42,039
then next issue the pork orb and the effect of

550
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,200
poison on the eater of the swine flesh. Keep your

551
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:49,799
eye on this picture again, the albo. But uh did

552
00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:54,359
you it's the little girl in the bottom right eating

553
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,119
what I assume is a is a pigtail.

554
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:56,839
Speaker 5: Uh.

555
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:03,799
Speaker 3: I though, shit's shocking. I mean it's it is, uh,

556
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,599
you know it. It is something that makes you go

557
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,800
if a why guy made this, right, it makes you

558
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,599
have that old sort of reflective thing that sometimes we

559
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:16,079
do where we go if we did this.

560
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 4: News yeah, now, yeah, the uh I think it's funny

561
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,280
that they choose the word snoot s n oot. That's

562
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,280
not me doing like a reddit holesome jungus, that's the

563
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,159
word they picked.

564
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, that is oh yeah. You can see it

565
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,440
in the bottom, by the way, if you go back

566
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:45,000
just right the bottom there, it's got my geed as

567
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,599
the Stegned artist.

568
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 4: He illustrated almost all of these.

569
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 5: Uh.

570
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,159
Speaker 4: Yes, this one is slightly more baffling.

571
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:57,119
Speaker 3: This is a different This is clearly a different artist.

572
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 4: Right. So this is a you know, it seems to

573
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,320
be a you know, a poor white family to have

574
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,039
the you know, the liquor jug, the kids not wearing

575
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:12,039
your shoes, they were in you know, overalls, and he's

576
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:17,320
talking to a guy the press, right, And I think

577
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,679
this is an anti racist UFO cartoon.

578
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: I'm reading it as you're describing, and I have no

579
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,440
idea what the message here is.

580
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 4: So it says I couldn't see nobody in the flying object,

581
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:33,239
but the chauffeur, well, I guess he was the chauffeur

582
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:38,679
he was black? Is is this racist to assume that

583
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,800
black people can only drive flying saucers if their chauffeurs?

584
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,760
Is that the angle? Like, genuinely I'm baffled by this.

585
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 3: I don't know what this one is, but I kind

586
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,800
of appreciate the family guy ask style that it's being drawn.

587
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 4: Also, this is signed Gerald x two, which means I

588
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,559
really hope this guy is doing the duplicate name thing

589
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:04,719
and his name is Gerald Gerald. Uh. I can't prove that.

590
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,639
I just think this one is funny and utterly confused.

591
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 3: That's really good. And you found this and you found

592
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,440
that one on a Nation of Islam website, so we

593
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:16,719
know this is associated with This is.

594
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 4: N O i w C the official Nation of Islam

595
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,039
website dot info slash comics. I will include the links

596
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,519
if you. There are literally hundreds of these. Uh maybe now.

597
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: Because the artist has signed their name down there, but

598
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,880
I just can't. I know it says something two.

599
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 4: X, but I just can't.

600
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: Oh, Gerald's two x Gerald, isn't it?

601
00:36:41,039 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 4: Yes, That's why I'm hoping it's Gerald. Jerald is his

602
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,519
name just because.

603
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: It's Funeral Gerald? Wimp? Another one up draw us Another

604
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,119
one baffle us.

605
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 4: That's the comic. This is Wizard Reverord.

606
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: Is completely certainly, certainly like genuinely.

607
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:14,159
Speaker 4: Even with full like empathy, like trying to sync into

608
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:16,840
this belief system. I do not know what the point

609
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,559
of this is. Is it supposed to be that white

610
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:23,119
people are stupid for seeing UFO, Like genuinely, I do

611
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:23,519
not know what.

612
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, and I don't know either.

613
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,519
And now sometimes I'll go to the fresh market in

614
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:34,039
northern Miami and it seems to be it located in

615
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,519
an area with many of these adherents because for reasons

616
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,719
I'll explain to you after the show, it was revealed

617
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,320
to me that a number of people who work at

618
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,480
this location are kind of Nation of ISLAMI And again,

619
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:49,880
I don't know why, but it it. It was made

620
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,519
clear to me that a lot of these folks just

621
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:58,239
kind of grow up in this situation. So we're on

622
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:05,840
we are on generals three or four of cognizant black

623
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,559
Americans who grew up in this system, and I mean

624
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:15,119
exclusively in this system. It's a very insular system. So

625
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,280
we're reading something like this and we're going, what is

626
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,440
this supposed to mean? Well, the honest truth is it

627
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,119
may have some deeply esoteric meaning that it means nothing

628
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,079
to us, but it's something that they all know because

629
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,079
they all kind of grew up hearing it, and we

630
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:31,480
may see that in many of these cases.

631
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 4: That's my best bet, because otherwise I am completely and

632
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:36,440
totally baffled.

633
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,159
Speaker 3: Is that the dying gall that has does that's got

634
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:43,960
to be the dying gall. Yes, that has to be

635
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,880
a reference of the dying gall.

636
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 4: This is another one I've had to edit, right, so this.

637
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 3: Oh so your edits are covering the funny word, the

638
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:57,320
special funny words? Yeah, okay, And can I ask you

639
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,800
when the special funny word was written? It's a hard

640
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,639
R or a soft a.

641
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:09,199
Speaker 4: Uh hard r like you don't get me wrong punches yeah, uhh.

642
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,679
So in this one, which again kind.

643
00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:13,639
Speaker 3: Of this guy.

644
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 4: With the roach, Yeah, I think it's MLKA.

645
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: That's gotta be MLK, right, yeah, wow, because it's such

646
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,559
a recognizable visit, it's gotta be. Mkay my god.

647
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:33,079
Speaker 4: So this one, it's another complicated composition. Right, we have

648
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:36,519
this this soup pine. Uh you know, black man beleaguered, Right,

649
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:42,960
he's in rags, he's got rats eating. How would you

650
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:44,199
describe it bird.

651
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 3: That would know I didn't actually don't think there's a

652
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,639
better word than what you use to describe him.

653
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 4: Uh so he is. He has got on one side

654
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,320
a man in a fez comforting him right the Nation

655
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,920
of Islam, and in behind him it's sort of like

656
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,800
a seventies portrait taking it a mall. There's a like

657
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,360
a cloud, and out of it it says, on his

658
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,639
way to rulership. Right at the top, it says it

659
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,320
was Mohammed who came out with a three year program

660
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,159
in nineteen sixty four to fight poverty and want among

661
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,079
our people, which is kind of a funny thing to say.

662
00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:21,599
So MLK is running up with like a I assume

663
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:24,639
that's one of those like old timey fumigators, right the

664
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:25,480
pump powered.

665
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 3: Right some some kind of stupefying gas.

666
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 4: Would says rat and roach killer. I see. Maybe I

667
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,440
assume the thing is that he's not actually fixing the problem.

668
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:37,679
He's just getting rid of the roaches and raps that

669
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:43,039
are eating his feet. Maybe that's the angle. And behind

670
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,280
him you have the kind of scowling white capitalist figure, right,

671
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,119
the monopoly man saying reverend, I don't don't I have

672
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:54,800
a housing and slum clearance and rat control program for you.

673
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,800
With the black minister next to him, there's also just

674
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,440
like a stacked up blonde lady in the back.

675
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:04,119
Speaker 3: I see that. I see that as well, and she's

676
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:05,400
drawn quite flatteringly.

677
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that is a student of the art.

678
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,199
Speaker 3: Tells you a little bit about the inner psychology there

679
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:14,920
when it's worth So, okay, can I can I can

680
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,360
I break this down? Can a white boy break this

681
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:17,880
one down?

682
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 4: Buzz it out? Yeah?

683
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: Can what? Can a white boy speak a little Japanese

684
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,800
on him for a minute? Okay? So now we're seeing

685
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:29,639
you see the man dressed in the in the in

686
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,079
the in the regular Nation of Islam. Garb over there,

687
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:36,400
who's grasping the head of the soup pine black man.

688
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,760
We're seeing a cloud that depicts and and what is

689
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:41,559
it saying.

690
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,639
Speaker 4: On Mlk's coattail. It says rat and killer.

691
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:51,199
Speaker 3: The cloud above. Uh, this is on my way to rulership,

692
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,960
on his way to rulership. So rulership. It's it's not

693
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,079
just a it's not just like a word that they use.

694
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:03,719
This is a central theological concept in the Nation of Islam,

695
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,039
and this is going to get us sense of the

696
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:08,719
good stuff. So I'm gonna break it down for you.

697
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,360
In the beginning, I'm trying to remember this stuff, so

698
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,119
I may get some of this wrong. But in the beginning,

699
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:25,199
there was Allah, and when Allah established the world, he

700
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:31,000
created twenty three angels, and the twenty three angels were

701
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,639
each supposed to be given.

702
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 4: Like a.

703
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: Were they angels? You know what I'm thinking?

704
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 4: They were? Oh?

705
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,119
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, okay. Now it's all coming back to me

706
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,280
because this is the point of the story. So you've

707
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,039
heard about Yakub. What was Yakhoub's profession? Do you remember

708
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:50,320
Yakoub's profession?

709
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,599
Speaker 4: He was a scientist and a tricknologist.

710
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 3: He was well triggering, he was He definitely was a scientist.

711
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:05,239
He definitely created the science of technology. Now, so okay,

712
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,400
So in their kind of like cosmology, there is a

713
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:16,320
twenty I'llah creates twenty three angel scientists, and each one

714
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,960
of them is supposed to have a astrological period of

715
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:26,360
rulership over the universe or the planet. I don't remember

716
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,280
which one it is, and I and it's I think

717
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,199
it's like twelve thousand years maybe or something like that.

718
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,920
And this is the this is where Yakub comes into

719
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,960
the story because Jakub is one of the original angel

720
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:46,199
scientists that was created by Allah and it was his

721
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:50,599
turn to rule and to rule the earth. He created

722
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:55,039
white people, and he, you know, and we all know

723
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:57,039
sorry about how he was very ugly and he came

724
00:43:57,079 --> 00:44:00,519
to hate the others because they mocked him for his ugliness,

725
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:04,039
and so he created white people because he wanted to

726
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:07,719
rule the world. And so the way that he was

727
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,920
able to rule the world was he created white people

728
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,320
and he taught them a system of tricknology, and that's

729
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,239
how white people rule the world by applying the system

730
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,639
of tricknology. And the Nation of Islam has always said

731
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:28,360
that the ruling angel scientists allowed the creation by Yakoub

732
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:33,880
of the others because they felt that by creating by

733
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,760
creating white people, black people would realize that human beings

734
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:44,280
have this deep seated evilness inside of all of them,

735
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,440
all humans, including in the black man, and the tricknological

736
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,800
era that Yakoub presides over would be an opportunity for

737
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:59,679
black people to learn how to deal and defeat evil

738
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,920
right and so they so they in the process of

739
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,159
Yakub's rulership over the universe through white people using trichnology.

740
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,679
They say this is their period to learn uh and

741
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,960
to to to learn how to defeat evil. Basically, so

742
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,480
white rulership for them is like a punishment. It's a

743
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:23,239
divine lesson to learn how to defeat evil in the future.

744
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,320
And at some point white rulership is going to end

745
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,639
because the black man will learn how to defeat trichnology.

746
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:37,760
And if I'm not mistaken, we are now outside of

747
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,519
the period of Yakub's rulership over the world. I think

748
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,360
the Nation of Islam was actually created. When the Nation

749
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,760
of Islam was created, it was the end of Yakub's

750
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,400
trichnological rain over the universe, if I'm not mistaken. And

751
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:56,159
so this like basically Nation of Islam is saying we

752
00:45:56,559 --> 00:46:00,800
have solved the tricknological problem. And so the black man

753
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,599
that you see there who's dressed in the Nation of

754
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:08,559
Islam garb, this is a symbol of the black man

755
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:12,000
who is to them, who is the owner of the

756
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:16,960
whole planet and believes in the one True God Allah.

757
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:22,199
He's waiting to become the ruler over the universe in

758
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,440
the way that the white man was for however long

759
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,800
eight thousand years, twelve thousand years, and I'll remember. But

760
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:30,400
he is now waiting for rulership to take over the

761
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,320
universe from the white man. Now that he's cracked the

762
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,119
code and he has he has discovered how to defeat technology.

763
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:41,119
And so when you see all of these, you know,

764
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:43,519
the dietary laws and the fact that they won't participate

765
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:45,199
in the civil rights movement, and the fact that they

766
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:49,239
hate Christianity. All of this assemblage is meant to be

767
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:55,679
the counter to technology. And so they've basically invented a

768
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:01,800
complete anti white system that they believe any deviance from,

769
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:07,000
deviation from becomes trignological. So they've managed to kind of

770
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:11,440
lock in their eschatology in a in a rhetorically very

771
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,440
powerful way. And so that's kind of that's what rulership is.

772
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,880
It's a key I guess you'd call it eschatology because

773
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,920
it refers to the at least the end of the

774
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,840
previous world, which is ruled by the Yakubians. They are

775
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,480
now stepping up to rule for I guess, however long,

776
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:32,480
I don't know if it's eternity or if they eventually

777
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,880
believe that this period of rulership will end I don't know,

778
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,719
they never got there, but that's what you're seeing there.

779
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 4: Who's next up to bat? Right? Like it's a great

780
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,480
question because you know it's you've got some time, but like, right,

781
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:48,079
you know, is it? Are the Filipinos up next? Like?

782
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:50,719
Are they that you know? As he Michael Jones says, right,

783
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,559
the star children? You know, maybe.

784
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:56,199
Speaker 3: The cosmic race.

785
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 4: I think that's.

786
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 3: For two years, that's the Jose Vascncelos believe the Mexicans

787
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,840
were the cosmic race. Yeah, yes, so I think it

788
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,920
would be a category error to assume that each of

789
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,199
the god scientists, you know, these angelic science I'm looking

790
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:23,239
it up. They're called God scientists, each of them is

791
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:29,199
a different race, because remember it's Ja Cub through science

792
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:35,320
creates every non black race. Remember Ja Cub is working

793
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,679
towards the creation of the perfect evil in a way,

794
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,039
if you've ever read Madame Blovotski's The Secret Doctrine, or

795
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:47,760
if you've ever gotten into freemasonry or what am I

796
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,440
I'm forgetting the word for it, but this idea that

797
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,440
there's different root races, right, and each root race has

798
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,079
arised in a different nastrological period. It's kind of reminiscent

799
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:58,639
of that. But it would be a mistake to say

800
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:01,519
each of the God scientists is different race, because remember,

801
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:04,599
Yakub has created all of the non black races. I

802
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:09,400
think he created I could get this wrong, but I

803
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,239
think he created Native Americans second, after blacks, he watched

804
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,199
them a little literally, it's described as genetic washing, and

805
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,360
then he created Asians, and then he created whites like

806
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,400
it's some progression. Actually, Yakub wasn't even around when whites

807
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,719
were created. It was his cohort because Yakub had died

808
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:31,320
by the time whites were perfected. So yeah, pathmosts right

809
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,119
on the island of potmost, that's correct. Yeah, his scientists

810
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:41,159
who followed his technological doctrines eventually created white people, but

811
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,119
they had to go through the process of creating every

812
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:45,320
other race first. So I think it would be a

813
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,519
mistake to say the other God scientists were other races,

814
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,079
and that all of the God scientists, I think they're

815
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:53,280
just black, right, I think all of them are black,

816
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,920
including Yakub. Yakoub was black. It's just he was evil

817
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,039
and he was evil because now I don't know this

818
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:04,000
was here, but I think Yakub became evil because he

819
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:07,719
began to hate himself because he was mocked for his

820
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,199
very large head, which is a very unusual thing because

821
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,440
it kind of makes you go in a way, the

822
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:18,639
black man mocking another black man is what created evil

823
00:50:18,679 --> 00:50:20,119
in the world. So it's you kind of have to

824
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:22,519
put it at the feet of the other god scientists, right,

825
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,599
you have to kind of have to go. If you

826
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:27,840
guys just accepted Yakpou for who he was, you wouldn't

827
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,199
have this whole trichonological problem.

828
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 4: But I don't know if that discootical conundrum if you will.

829
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 3: And a flummoxing if you will. People are probably going,

830
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:42,559
why does he know so much?

831
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,639
Speaker 4: So this actually, uh, this connects very very well to

832
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,000
this comic book or to this comic panel. Right to

833
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:58,199
a figure in the center and he's got again surrounding him. Yep, maji.

834
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:00,920
Uh you know they're a figure years off screen with

835
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,000
guns pointed at him in the barricade.

836
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 3: Oh there you go, yeng.

837
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 4: Yes, one says the white man's way, the yellow man's way,

838
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:12,840
the red man's way, and then a burst of light

839
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:16,280
from from you know, stage left, which says Mohammed's way

840
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,880
to freedom. And at the bottom it says he seeks

841
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,039
every way with his own. This is interesting because you know,

842
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,280
you've mentioned the connection to Asia, which comes up in

843
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,239
a lot of other comics. I did not show because

844
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,119
I didn't know we were fresh on it. But there

845
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:32,159
is a distinction, of course between like the idealized Asia

846
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:37,239
and then also, as she would say, the yellow man,

847
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,679
not my words but his yea quoting a civil rights icon. Uh.

848
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,400
By the way, I'm so mad this didn't come out

849
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,199
on MLK Day. That would have been really funny.

850
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 5: Uh.

851
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 3: We should yeah, we should have. Yeah, that's we really

852
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:48,719
should have.

853
00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 4: Before it is again we see the same you know,

854
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,280
kind of dramatic casting of this.

855
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,199
Speaker 3: So so and can we go back to that for

856
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,599
one more and they'll be quick on this. First of all,

857
00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:02,239
I find it very funny that there is you can

858
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:07,400
see there's six barricades, maybe seven barricades, so you can

859
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,800
see in their cosmology, right, there's three races. Clearly besides

860
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,119
the black man, there's three. Now the brown race is okay,

861
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,000
I looked it up. This is the order of operations.

862
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:21,320
The black race was created by Allah and then Yakoob

863
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,440
created first the brown race, which refers to I'm not

864
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,360
sure who. I don't know because it doesn't refer to who. Yeah,

865
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,360
it kind of a catch all. Then he created the

866
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,880
red race, then he created the yellow race, and then

867
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,119
he created the white race. Okay, so in their cosmology

868
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:43,679
there are four other races besides the black race, very

869
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,880
very bluemenbaki and I mean this is like I'm telling you,

870
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,800
Wallace Vard Muhammad and Elijah Muhammad were very much into

871
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:54,840
early German race science, like late eighteen hundreds or early

872
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,599
nineteen hundreds. They had to be very inspired by this

873
00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:59,960
stuff because you can't just come up with this stuff

874
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:03,400
out of nowhere. But it's so you're seeing six barricades,

875
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:06,639
but just to be clear, there's only five races in

876
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:09,039
their cosmology. And as you can see, one of the

877
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:11,760
barricades is open because it's the black man's way. So

878
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,880
you're getting these other three barricades. One of them is

879
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,599
going to be the brown man's way, but then there's

880
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:20,079
two others. We can only imagine what those two others

881
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:24,599
are supposed to symbolize. Oh oh, one of Okay, this

882
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:28,039
is not a joke. This is not a joke. I'm

883
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:34,400
remembering this now. The reason why there are this is

884
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:39,079
not a joke. It's not, it's not. This is real.

885
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:46,599
The reason why there are gorillas in the world, sorry,

886
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,559
this is real. The reason why there are gorillas in

887
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:53,400
the world is because during this the hundreds of years

888
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,800
it took to create the devilish white race, there were

889
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,880
some mistakes, and in the process of making some mistakes,

890
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:08,480
they created gorillas. So, and this is true in proper

891
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,159
nature of islam biology. Gorillas, and I think apes of

892
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:18,639
all kinds are basically just devolved whites. They they're like

893
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:24,480
genetically messed up whites. So one of those pylons there

894
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,519
says brown, and one of them certainly says gorilla, which

895
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:34,760
leaves one more pylon, the unknown pylon, which we just

896
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,400
won't know what it says.

897
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:45,079
Speaker 4: It just says gorilla mode. Right, That is all I said,

898
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:50,320
No gorilla mode. The next one is similarly baffling, but

899
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,480
might well be one of the funniest images I've ever

900
00:54:53,480 --> 00:55:04,400
seen on the internet. Bird Oh, oh my god, robotic

901
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:14,199
Santa Claus just says black Santa on it. That's it.

902
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:20,199
Speaker 3: A robot Freddie fog Bear style robot, kind of like animatronic.

903
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 4: Do you remember on the Birdsman's episode when we talked

904
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,599
about the kind of sacral importance of Santa Claus as

905
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:32,079
a figure. I think this image really puts my theory

906
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,000
at risk. Uh this would be another great profile picture

907
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:42,360
by the way. This right, but uh wow, yes, I

908
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,519
guess the implication is that, you know, greedy white capitalists

909
00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:50,079
are giving money to nat King Cole who lives inside

910
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:50,840
of robot Santa.

911
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:56,159
Speaker 3: That's incredible. Now, this image brings up a topic in

912
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,639
my mind that has not been discussed yet. But you

913
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,559
may have pulled a comic that goes into it. But

914
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,239
we should briefly talk about Judaism within the Nation of

915
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:12,719
Islam complex. Do you have a comic on Judaism? I don't, Okay,

916
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:17,000
this probably will be a this. Yeah, that's pretty interesting

917
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:23,000
that you didn't find any, because they are anti Semitism

918
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:25,119
as a word that might be rightly applied to the

919
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:26,159
Nation of Islam.

920
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:30,679
Speaker 4: I think Lewison made some infamous comments.

921
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 3: That now, but a lot of the comics that you're

922
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:38,800
seeing here are from the Elijah Muhammad era before Lewis

923
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,039
Farrah Coon takes over and that stuff really comes to

924
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:46,440
the forefront. But it should definitely be mentioned that even

925
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:49,320
Wallace Forard Muhammad going back as far As the nineteen

926
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,880
thirties was saying that Judaism was an evil religion because

927
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:01,400
even though the Jews had received the Divine Scriptures, they

928
00:57:01,679 --> 00:57:05,079
immediately began to tamper with it. And which, by the way,

929
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:08,199
the Divine Scriptures were originally written in Arabic, just to

930
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,239
be clear here, so they weren't written in Hebrew. They

931
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,559
were originally written in Arabic, and then he believed they

932
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:18,760
were converted into Hebrew. So one of the things that

933
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,639
I want to bring up is to bring up here's

934
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:23,880
a big contrast between the Nation of Islam and the

935
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,559
Black Hebrew Israelites. Is the question of the white man.

936
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:33,480
So now the white man is created by the Yakubian

937
00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:37,360
scientists in the Nation of Islam schema. This does not

938
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,760
exist in the Black Hebrew Zerelite schema. And it's actually

939
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,000
that there's an interesting divergence when it comes to the

940
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:46,400
question of the Jews. Both groups believe that the Jews

941
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:50,159
as we know them, this is to say, Ashkenazi Jews.

942
00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:53,920
So the Ascanism is sapfhard him the Misrahim. All of

943
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,400
the Jews that we know of, they're all white. They're

944
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:02,559
all white people. And the departing notion, as far as

945
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:06,679
I remember, is actually kind of interesting scripturally. The Black

946
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,599
Keep so that Black Keeper Israelites believe that that the

947
00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:13,320
white Jews, that is to say that people who I

948
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,960
just named are the descendants of Esau. So if you

949
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,960
know your Bible, then you kind of know the relationship

950
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,719
between Jacob, who becomes this reel after wrestling with God

951
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,400
or one of the angels. He becomes Israel, which the

952
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,880
term Israel means he who struggles with God, which is

953
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,639
the kind of notional change in Jacob's name to refer

954
00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:36,320
to Jacob's progeny as being the ones who know God

955
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,719
and struggle to know him. And Esau branches off and

956
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:46,280
becomes kind of like an animalistic man. In black Hee

957
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,679
Berw Israel, he basically goes right, he's the red haired devil.

958
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:55,039
It goes gorilla mode. In the black Keep Berw Israelite genre,

959
00:58:55,679 --> 00:58:59,360
they say that they are the descendants of Jacob, and

960
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,920
that the white Jews, the people who call themselves Jews

961
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,039
who are really white, are the descendants of Esau. So

962
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,760
you kind of know the tension there. But here's the

963
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:13,599
big difference. The Nation of Islam believes that Jacob is

964
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:16,519
the progenitor of those white Jews that we're talking about,

965
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:19,920
and that Esau is just kind of a consequential, inconsequential

966
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,760
figure in that way, they kind of have this similar

967
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:27,599
Biblical interpretation in the sense that it's Jacob who is

968
00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:30,800
the main subject and Esau who's kind of cast off

969
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,480
as a side subject. And that's so that's one of

970
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,719
their big divides, is the Nation of Islam distances themselves

971
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,039
both from Jacob and Esau. They believe Jacob is kind

972
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:44,719
of an impostor, a white Jew who is part of

973
00:59:44,719 --> 00:59:47,800
that white devil race, and that Esau is also kind

974
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,760
of a white devil. It's not the Jews that we

975
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,400
know of, and it's the black keeper Israelite. You say, no,

976
00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:58,599
Jacob was black and Esau was ruddy, which is in

977
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:02,159
the Bible. Esau was that's true, meaning he was red

978
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:05,599
of face and pale skinned. So the divide for the

979
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:08,800
black Heeber Israelites is at the point of Jacob and Esau.

980
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,480
So they don't have as funny enough, even though you

981
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:14,280
kind of view them as even more extreme than the

982
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:19,639
Nation of Islam. They don't have a theological view about whites.

983
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:22,840
They believe that whites are kind of the side the

984
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:27,360
other brothers who believe that they have a birthright but don't,

985
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,639
and that they are the sons of Jacob, the true Israel,

986
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,800
the real children of Israel, who will be delivered unto

987
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,719
God's promises. And it's the Nation of Islam who I

988
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,679
believe have a kind of even more, much more extreme view,

989
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:43,920
where whites are not just like you know, brothers' intention,

990
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:49,199
but they're like cosmologically evil, like metaphysically evil. Right. So

991
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:51,760
you know, we always view those guys standing in Times

992
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,239
Square with their magician outfits and stuff as being the

993
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,000
kind of real extremists. But really, if you're a white person,

994
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:01,960
the Nation of Islam is they are the real extremists

995
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,559
because they view you as metaphysically evil and not just

996
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:09,320
kind of like a brother intention. Don't mistake me. Both

997
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,800
of them think you're very evil, but they think about

998
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,159
it in different ways.

999
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, the black he Brews are really just don't have

1000
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,519
a cosmology of white people, right, Right, It's not this

1001
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:26,039
like eternal trichnological struggle. Right.

1002
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 3: Can I give you one more thought that I have

1003
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:31,559
on this, yeh, Because there's a really interesting thing I'm

1004
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:33,679
sure you know about this, but the Nation of Islam

1005
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:40,320
has at various times engaged with white supremacists. Yes, they've

1006
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,880
made out alliances with white supremacists. I'm sure you know

1007
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:47,320
that Elijah Mohmand had a somewhat surprisingly close relationship with

1008
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,239
George Lincoln Rockwell, who is the founder of the American

1009
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,719
Nazi Party. I mean, I'm reading this now. I never

1010
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:59,239
knew this till right now at a nineteen sixty two

1011
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,239
this is like a TL had to write this, but

1012
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,199
this is real. I'm gonna just read what it says.

1013
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:12,639
In one early instance, Elijah Muhammad invited American Nazi Party

1014
01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:16,920
boss George Lincoln Rockwell to the Nation of Islam's nineteen

1015
01:02:17,079 --> 01:02:22,559
sixty two Saviors Day conference. Rockwell spoke at the event

1016
01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:29,519
and therein christened Elijah Muhammad as quote the adult hitler

1017
01:02:29,639 --> 01:02:30,559
of the black Man.

1018
01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:37,199
Speaker 4: That would be such a great title for this episode,

1019
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:43,280
but I can't do that. That's hilarious.

1020
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,159
Speaker 3: I didn't know that until right now. That's amazing.

1021
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 4: Like it really is like the version of that theme

1022
01:02:49,519 --> 01:02:51,519
where it's like the guy in Dreads and the you know,

1023
01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:54,480
the redneck dude, you know, holding hands, and it's like,

1024
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:56,480
this is what they fear right.

1025
01:02:56,599 --> 01:03:01,639
Speaker 3: It's uh, yes, yes, that's just I'm only bringing that

1026
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:04,039
up because we just got off the Judaism. I think

1027
01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:06,159
that's a great way to kind of end the section

1028
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,000
on Judaism of this episode.

1029
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:20,679
Speaker 4: So this is actually related to that's about or apes.

1030
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,639
Speaker 3: Right, freaking yoga mash. That's freaking Gilgamesh right there, that's

1031
01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:24,159
heat saw.

1032
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:29,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got the man yeah with his club. Uh,

1033
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:30,159
you know the obviously.

1034
01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 3: Now talk about a good profile picture.

1035
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 4: There's so many. Either one of these, right, would go great. Uh.

1036
01:03:38,519 --> 01:03:42,199
There's some honestly really fun illustrations in this. I see

1037
01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:48,719
why they Wow, seems like a lot of fun. This

1038
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:54,280
one is just, oh my god, very funny to me. So, uh,

1039
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:55,400
here we have.

1040
01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 3: This is not this is doesn't seem theological.

1041
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:03,239
Speaker 4: That's where I So you have a white couple. The

1042
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,360
woman's in curlers with sort of a magic school bus

1043
01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:10,519
s dress, and Harry legs, you know, a fat, kind

1044
01:04:10,519 --> 01:04:13,519
of slovy white guy with his hand on Wow, A

1045
01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:16,960
young brother just saying, son, it's about time your mother

1046
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,199
and I told you you're adopted. I don't know what

1047
01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:21,000
the message is.

1048
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 3: I just thought it's about time I told you you're

1049
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,760
the Adolph Hitler of The Black Man.

1050
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is a memorialization of George Lincoln

1051
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,760
Rockwell and his wife talking to uh.

1052
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,079
Speaker 3: I like that. This one doesn't really seem to This

1053
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:45,440
one feels like it was illustrated by the same guy

1054
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:46,440
who did the UFO on.

1055
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1056
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 3: It's leaving me going, what the hell does this mean?

1057
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 4: And honestly, maybe he just thought it was funny. There's

1058
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:54,920
no wider message.

1059
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 3: And yeah, I agree, Thank you Gerald, Gerald for your illustrations.

1060
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 4: Thank you Eugen x three. All right at our last illustration,

1061
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:15,800
Oh my goodness, which again I find completely baffling, very funny. Again,

1062
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,079
this is another drawing you or I could not have made.

1063
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:18,719
Speaker 2: Right.

1064
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 4: It's a It's a guy wearing giant shoes that say

1065
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:27,960
Mohammad's program and he just wow, I'll steal him for myself.

1066
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,519
He's trying to run up and take Muhammad's Jay's It's

1067
01:05:31,639 --> 01:05:32,679
just tragic.

1068
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:37,159
Speaker 3: I have no idea what that is supposed to me,

1069
01:05:37,199 --> 01:05:39,039
and I think I could take a guess, but I don't.

1070
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:42,920
I don't. This is very unclear to It's obviously the

1071
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:47,079
kind of like the shoes, like the shoes are too

1072
01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:48,920
big for you or walk a mile in my shoes

1073
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:51,760
something like that, like you can't fill the shoes? Is

1074
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,760
that expression one hundred percent?

1075
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 4: I'll be honest. I just saw an illustration of a

1076
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,000
brother stealing shoes, and I thought that was pretty funny.

1077
01:05:59,079 --> 01:06:02,800
That was about his great thought press worked in this well.

1078
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 3: As you can tell, mister Burden, I think a lot

1079
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,119
about this subject.

1080
01:06:07,679 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 4: Clearly much more than I do. My God, I'm impressed Bird.

1081
01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:15,320
This was a remarkably scholarly tone for this happen.

1082
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:18,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one of the five subjects I would

1083
01:06:18,039 --> 01:06:20,480
say I have more knowledge on than most of my

1084
01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:21,239
white brothers.

1085
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,679
Speaker 4: Yes, I would say, you know, honestly, I'm almost impressed.

1086
01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:28,400
You were truly are a scholar of the scholars.

1087
01:06:28,719 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 3: Thank you. As you can kind of see by my

1088
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,480
my character image, I was deeply inspired by Moss.

1089
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 4: Jed deeply inspired by Eugene Eugene or Gerald.

1090
01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 3: Gerald Gerald Jerald's Yeah, I think it would be Eugene

1091
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,440
Eugene Eugene Ever being honest.

1092
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,119
Speaker 4: That should be their new naming convention, right, just Rade

1093
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:54,119
to quit generations more copies of the same name.

1094
01:06:54,679 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 3: How does it feel to get off of the r

1095
01:06:56,559 --> 01:06:59,400
and McIntyre show to hop onto this, like, what does

1096
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,920
it feel like? What's your life? Blag dude, dude's a mess.

1097
01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:07,320
I'm going gorilla would like to talk about this with me?

1098
01:07:08,199 --> 01:07:10,039
I think so you should. You should have you on.

1099
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:14,039
You can even bring out your power point right to

1100
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,880
and I talk NonStop for fifty five minutes. He can't

1101
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:18,559
get a word him.

1102
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 4: That's a great idea the monologue. That's actually a very

1103
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,880
funny idea. Bird to get high profile guests and just

1104
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:33,079
completely edit them out right, just on him, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1105
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:35,679
and just cut any response so it's like the beginning.

1106
01:07:35,719 --> 01:07:40,480
In the end, it just fades to nothing. Don't even

1107
01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:43,679
cut the dead air, just have like ten seconds of

1108
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:48,320
solid static like good point anyway back to the island

1109
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:49,000
of pat.

1110
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 3: Yes, you're gonna want to hear this.

1111
01:07:53,880 --> 01:08:00,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, but black Santa Man who is driving a UFO

1112
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:08,880
and listen to show bird. It's been a ton of

1113
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:09,280
flood man.

1114
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,400
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