WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:19.160 Hm. Welcome friends, podcast podcast Jackie about we need to 2 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:30.920 unleash the greatest Warrior immortality, Turkin, It's yours. The loser 3 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:38.799 will burn before nightfall. Now you know who you're fighting, 4 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:46.039 then no one else. Troy, A Wolfgang Peterson film, Rated 5 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:50.039 R May fourteenth. Welcome to a movie film commentary track. 6 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:52.799 My name is Zaki Hasan and I'm here with Brian Hall. 7 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:54.280 Hey, how's it going, Zachi? 8 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:56.759 You know, Brian, I've always thought of you as kind 9 00:00:56.759 --> 00:01:02.560 of the the Agamemnon to my Menilais you kind of 10 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:07.920 give off that that that Agamemnon conquered the Trojans energy? Yeah? 11 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:10.280 Yeah, that's good. That's what I'm trying to put out there. 12 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:12.680 So I'm glad you're picking up what I'm putting down. 13 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:18.280 You know, we're watching Troy today, the two thousand and 14 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:21.079 four film, and this is one of those This is 15 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:24.000 to me people often ask like, what's the what what 16 00:01:24.079 --> 00:01:27.040 makes How do we decide what we do our commentaries about? 17 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:30.159 You know, and to me, sometimes we do anniversaries and 18 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:32.640 sometimes like well, you know, if there's a new film 19 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:35.560 coming out, we can do a previous version, and this 20 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:40.840 is like when when else would we do Troy, right, right, 21 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:43.480 we got we got. The Odyssey is about to come out. 22 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:46.719 I know you're excited for it. Yeah, a lot of 23 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:49.760 people are excited for it. A lot of people online 24 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:55.120 are are pretending they're not excited for to drive the Algo. 25 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:59.680 But but what's been cool is is in the lead 26 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:06.439 up to the Odyssey, there's been this renewed discussion about Troy, 27 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:11.039 which has been fun because this one came out more 28 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:12.840 than twenty years ago and it was a big hit, 29 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:19.719 but it was sort of like, you know, critically, it 30 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:22.159 wasn't particularly well regarded. It's like it was sort of 31 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:24.319 collectively decided, no, we don't like this movie. 32 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:29.000 Yeah, it's interesting, like it's watching it. I was thinking 33 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:30.759 this is very of its moment for a lot of 34 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:35.280 reasons that I'll get into. And even particularly with the 35 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.000 actors here, Eric Banna, Orlando Bloom, these are people I 36 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:41.639 associate with sort of the aughts, you know, and this movie, 37 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:43.199 like you said, did make a lot of money, but 38 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:45.000 it kind of stayed in the aughts. 39 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:48.960 Really, that's right. Yeah, yeah, so interesting time capsule. 40 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:50.159 Yeah, yeah exactly. 41 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.479 So as always with these, I'm like, come on this, 42 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:54.719 this this could be a fun discussion. 43 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:57.919 Yeah, oh, definitely. Well, and I gotta admit, I mean, 44 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.280 I'll say it right before we start. I'm not superer 45 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:03.879 familiar with the story of the Odyssey or the Iliad, 46 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:07.199 like these are things I know through movies or references 47 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.960 and things. So it was interesting to watch this and 48 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:14.919 then read about people's opinions on this particular take and 49 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:17.400 kind of have this in my head now for when 50 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:19.759 I go into the Odyssey, right right, Like, people who 51 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:22.400 are not major characters in this story are major characters 52 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:25.599 in the Odyssey, And yeah, obviously things will be slightly 53 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:26.919 different in that one. 54 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:29.840 Yeah, you know. So, Yeah, it was nice. 55 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.159 To get a little bit of a refresher, at least 56 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:33.960 dip my toe, I guess, into this. 57 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:37.680 World, into this world. Perfect timing. Yeah, so we are 58 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.520 watching the theatrical cut. This is the two thousand and 59 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:42.719 fourth theatrical cut. There is, of course, a two thousand 60 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:48.439 and seven director's cut, which I believe you watched it 61 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:51.080 in the lead up to this commentary track. Right, the 62 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:56.000 director's cut I did three hours plus Yeah, me too, yep, 63 00:03:56.439 --> 00:04:02.240 So this will be my first time watching the theatrical 64 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:09.080 cut since since oh four, same, Yeah, I am glad 65 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:11.719 I watched the director's cut. However, no, me too. 66 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:14.159 I mean it's going to be interesting because we're going 67 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:18.560 to be noticing the differences, experiencing it differently in real 68 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:21.000 time together live on Mike. So I'm kind of curious. 69 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:23.519 Is I have that version fresh in my mind, and 70 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:27.360 I'm just curious what we'll be missing and changed and rearranged. 71 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:31.519 Yeah, see what we notice? Yeah, So if you want 72 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:33.319 to watch along with us, we can. Again, it's the 73 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:37.120 it's the theatrical cut. Best way to experience this commentary 74 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:38.360 if you do want to sync it up, is of 75 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:43.120 course the ad free version, which is available on our 76 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:45.040 Patreon feed. Brian, you want to tell people about that? 77 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:47.360 Yes, all you have to do head over to patreon 78 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:50.839 dot com slash movie Film Podcast hit subscribe for only 79 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:54.279 five dollars a month. You get all these commentaries, this commentary, 80 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:56.519 every commentary we've ever done, which is a lot of them, 81 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:00.839 all ad free. No ads are interruptions budding into the conversation, 82 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:03.439 which is especially nice if you're trying to watch along 83 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:06.399 with us. In addition to that, our regular episodes are 84 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:09.079 I had free and we have bonus conversations that drop 85 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:11.519 over there about twice a month, so I want to 86 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:14.519 get into that Patreon dot com slash movie film podcast. 87 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:19.639 Well, I'm ready, how about you? I'm ready. Okay, we'll 88 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.399 do the usual thing. We'll hit play on three. Ready, 89 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:25.160 I'm ready, one, two, three, play. 90 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:29.560 Yeah, I am. 91 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:31.839 I was eager to. 92 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:36.399 Watch this different version here and just see how much 93 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:41.279 I noticed. Yeah, but what I am a little sad 94 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:44.399 about is because we're watching it with the sound off, right, 95 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:46.480 we have close captions on so we can follow along. 96 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:49.120 But I heard that the music was very different in 97 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:50.240 the director's cut. 98 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:55.199 That's right. Yeah, So the film itself has a James 99 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:58.959 Horner score, which he you know, he tossed it together 100 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:03.519 a matter of weeks, Yeah, because they weren't happy with 101 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:06.920 with the original score, but with the with the director's cut, 102 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:10.160 they ended up leaving in a lot of the temp Hmmm. 103 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.240 You know I noticed that stuff that sounded a little 104 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:14.439 sinfy mm hmm. 105 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:19.079 Yeah. Interesting. Well, well, specifically in the director's cut when 106 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:22.480 when Hector and Achilles are fighting, it's the theme music 107 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:24.800 from the Danny Elfman score for Planet of the Apes. 108 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:25.959 I noticed that that. 109 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:29.759 I was like, I know that music. 110 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:32.639 Yeah, yeah, but you know what I was like, wow, 111 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:34.079 it really fits. 112 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:35.800 It did work. You can see why they tempt it 113 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:38.800 with that. Yeah, you know, and and that sequence. I 114 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:42.000 did watch the theatrical cut and that that's good too. 115 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:44.519 It's different though, Yeah. 116 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:46.079 You know, I might have to skip around through this 117 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:47.519 after this and just yeah. 118 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.439 Yeah. So so right up top, we should say, uh, 119 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:54.720 you know this arrived right in the in the renewed 120 00:06:54.839 --> 00:07:00.519 wave of sword and sandal pictures that really came into vogue. Well, 121 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:02.519 I would say, like, like what we saw in the 122 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:07.399 nineties was these these modern takes on old timey epics, right, 123 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:09.120 so we could we could maybe start the clock with 124 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:10.399 Robinhood Prince of Thieves. 125 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:13.079 Oh yeah, I was gonna I was thinking Braveheart, but 126 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:15.120 you're right, Robinhood Prince of Thieves for sure. 127 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:17.360 Yeah, Brave Heart. We'd throw that in the mix. Obviously, 128 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:22.000 Gladiator was a huge hit in two thousand and Gladiator 129 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:27.560 had been offered to Wolfgang Peterson, who turned it down, Okay, 130 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:32.120 and he regretted having turned it down. Yeah, sure. And 131 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:37.120 so it's fascinating to look at the chronology of you know, 132 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:40.839 this is like the sliding doors of Hollywood. 133 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:44.120 Yeah, right, right, it's kind of strange, right, Yeah, these 134 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:47.800 big movies that we associate with specific directors. It's like, oh, yeah, 135 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:49.439 this was in this director's hands for a while, then 136 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:51.920 another director's hands for a while. It would have been 137 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:53.120 an entirely different movie. 138 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:58.079 Well, specifically with Wolfgang Peterson in the early two thousands, 139 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:02.560 was attached to Batman Versus Superman? Right, do you know 140 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:03.199 a lot about that? 141 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:04.439 I don't know a lot about that. 142 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:08.040 Take not a ton. I mean I read a I 143 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:11.360 read a synopsis of what it was. I mean, it 144 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:13.040 was meant to be a very big deal. And then 145 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:17.319 and then at the very last minute Warner Brothers kaibashed it. 146 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:25.240 And this project Troy had initially been developed by Peterson 147 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:28.279 and then he jumped ship to do Batman vs. Superman 148 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.960 and and so in the interim, this got assigned to 149 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.720 a young buckstrap named Christopher Nolan wild right, right, and 150 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:42.000 then Batman Versus Superman gets gets gets the Axe. So 151 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:44.759 Wolfgang Peterson's like, all right, well I want to do Troy. 152 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:48.519 And so they're like, okay, Christopher Nolan, how about this 153 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:55.679 Batman thing? Crazy amazing right, crazy slightings, you know, yeah, 154 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:59.759 and so you know it is full circle. Nolan never 155 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:04.360 forgot about being in this realm. H So, here we are. 156 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:04.799 You know. 157 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:08.440 I wonder if he had some visions and now that 158 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:10.559 he can do whatever he wants, He's like, not only 159 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:12.240 can I bring those visions to life, but I can 160 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:13.399 bring them to life my way. 161 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:17.440 I've got the power, so so too. Thus, first of all, 162 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:19.639 Brian Cox is having the time of his life in 163 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:20.159 this movie. 164 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:21.960 I loved watching him in this. 165 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:25.279 He he talked about how he this was the one 166 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:29.360 and only time he he went and aggressively like campaigned 167 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:32.519 for a role. Hmmm, because they were thinking about giving 168 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:34.559 it to Ben Kingsley and he's like, no, no, no, no, no, 169 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:36.559 You're giving it to me. Oh he's so good in 170 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:38.960 this and you can see why. Second, I didn't realize 171 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:42.440 that's Julian Glover, who's yes. Yeah. 172 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:46.080 I I clocked him immediately for some reason, just out 173 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:49.120 of that face, you know, and I'm used to older 174 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:52.720 looking him. I think from Game of Thrones. Thrones, oh, 175 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.000 which the Game of Thrones connection. David Benioff, that's right, 176 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:59.679 wrote the screenplay for this. That's right, I'm looking at 177 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:02.720 imd It says the writers are David Benioff and someone 178 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:06.600 named Homer just want one word, like Madonna. 179 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:14.679 Simpson, Dude, what must life be like to be this guy? 180 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:18.320 Just this this behemoth of a man. 181 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.519 Freaking walking action figure, like I mean truly like trying 182 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:23.639 to walk through doorways. 183 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:28.919 You know. See, I would imagine that if he and 184 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:31.279 I don't, if he's like a teddy bear of a guy, 185 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:36.320 nobody would even know because they'd be so intimidated by him. 186 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:40.759 It's like, you know, there there's a Cheers episode where, uh, 187 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:42.480 you know the guy from Revenge of the Nerds who 188 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:47.639 just passed away recently, the big Ogre. That's it. Yeah, 189 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:50.200 So he's in Cheers and he's hired as like a 190 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:53.519 bodyguard for the bar, and everyone in the bar is 191 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:55.519 like afraid of him, and they don't want to They're 192 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:58.279 like they they don't want him there, and they don't, 193 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:00.440 you know, and and and then finally at the end, 194 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:02.080 he's like, you know, you could just like talk to 195 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:04.200 me like I'm a person, and you just feel so terrible. 196 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:10.840 You get a lot of if you're if you're into 197 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:14.799 like Brad pitt Butt, you get a lot of Brad 198 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:15.480 pitt Butt. 199 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:18.960 In this movie very much. So well, this is this 200 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.480 is this is peak pit this is peak pit. 201 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:24.440 Yeah, oh dude, there are times where I'm just like, wow, 202 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.440 Like his face, he's like the sun shining at you, 203 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:30.720 you know what I mean, Like, he's just he's whatever 204 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:33.960 your feelings about him, he is an objectively attractive person. 205 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:38.000 Well, it's very funny because I saw multiple interviews of 206 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:43.279 of with Brian Cox, like retrospectively. Multiple times he's like 207 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:46.120 and then you know, Brad Pitt showed up, and you 208 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:53.440 know that's hilarious. Now here's the interesting thing. Brad Pitt 209 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:55.639 did not want to be in this movie. 210 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:58.639 Yes, yes, I we might have the same quotes here, 211 00:11:58.639 --> 00:11:59.799 but I want to Yeah, please get in. 212 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:02.720 If you've got the specific quotes, definitely pull it. But yeah, 213 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:05.519 he was supposed to be in The Fountain, the Aaronofsky flick. 214 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:07.639 He backed out of that, and so he had to 215 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:10.240 he had like a make do, make good to do 216 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.720 with Warner Brothers. So he does Troy and and he's 217 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.080 he said as much, He's like, I wasn't really feeling it. 218 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:19.720 I have to say, though, he's pretty good in this 219 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:20.639 I think so. 220 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:23.799 I mean playing this character like this is a really 221 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:26.919 interesting kind of anti hero sort of character, you know, 222 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:30.120 like he's he does things I don't like, but he 223 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:32.759 looks a little mournful about them, you know, like he's 224 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:35.799 the way he treats Rose Burn's character, like he's an 225 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:40.039 interesting guy who's also a born killer. 226 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:42.679 And he showed up like he ain't walking through it, 227 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:45.000 you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and 228 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:47.720 he and you might have the specific quote, but but 229 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:51.559 he he talked about how he's like, I didn't have 230 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:53.960 a bad time making it. I just didn't want to 231 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:56.519 be there. Yeah, you know what I mean. But he 232 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:01.320 got seventeen millions, so you know what, dry the tears, Brad, Wow, 233 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:03.679 you'll be all right, yes, seriously. 234 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:08.440 Although also, you know, I think we've talked about how, 235 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:11.279 you know, you look at Indiana Jones in the eighties. 236 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:13.360 They made a big deal in nineteen eighty four with 237 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.039 Temple of Doom about how like, oh, Harrison Ford, we 238 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.759 got him this like elite trainer and his body you 239 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:20.799 won't even believe the shape he's going to be in 240 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:22.440 for this movie. And then when you see him with 241 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:24.279 his shirt off, you're like, yeah, he looks like a 242 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:26.879 relatively healthy guy, you know what I mean. And then 243 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:30.240 you get into the Marvel era and they make these 244 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:34.720 people look like him, possibly cut, you know, action figure 245 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:37.320 type things, and you hear the actors being like, oh, 246 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:41.039 this is not you can't live life and be this way. 247 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:42.879 You have to eat this insane diet. You have to 248 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:45.679 live this certain way. And it's yeah, it's untenable in 249 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:47.159 real life. It's just you do it for a couple 250 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:49.320 months and it's a nightmare, but you look great on screen. 251 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:51.399 Survive on chicken breasts alone. 252 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:53.360 Yeah, yeah, and all the amount of calories you have 253 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:55.240 to eat and stuff like that. But anyway, I was noticing, 254 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:57.240 like Pitt in here. I'm like, dude, he is fricking 255 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:01.559 cut yep. But he wasn't in Fight Club too, you know, 256 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:04.519 so this this was like, yeah, peak Pitt yep, you 257 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:05.440 know where he got to do this. 258 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:11.080 He's forty here. Wow. Yeah yeah. 259 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:13.840 But anyway, so yes, so he I had the quotes 260 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:18.679 here about I think this is him reflecting about being 261 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.320 a little disappointed with Troy, and he said, I had 262 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.679 to do Troy because I guess I can say all 263 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:26.679 this now. I pulled out of another movie and then 264 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:28.240 had to do something for the studio, so I was 265 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.240 put in Troy. It wasn't painful, but I realized the 266 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:33.159 way that the movie was being told was not how 267 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:36.399 I wanted it to be. I made my own mistakes 268 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:37.720 in it, and. 269 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:41.080 He'sai. 270 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:45.000 It's no slide on. Wolfgang Peterson Dos Bood is one 271 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:46.960 of the all time great films, but somewhere in it, 272 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:50.240 Troy became a commercial kind of thing. Every shot was like, 273 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:54.919 here's the hero, there's no mystery. And you know, I 274 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.799 actually did have that thought even before I read that quote, 275 00:14:57.799 --> 00:14:59.919 and I took that quote because it supported my thought, 276 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:01.759 which was what's interesting is. 277 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:06.080 Often these movies. 278 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:11.639 Gladiator, Brave Heart, whatever, they are epic, and they are 279 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:15.200 action films, but they also have an elegance to them 280 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:18.639 and sort of an artistry. And this one plays a 281 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.600 bit more like a blockbuster to me. Yeah, just on 282 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:26.639 a character level, on a even just the way that 283 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:28.960 it shot. And it reminded me because I watched another 284 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.039 movie from this era recently called Blood Diamond. 285 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:35.200 Oh oh gosh, Yeah, there's your quintessential mid aughts movie. 286 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:38.000 Absolutely because and it's about a very serious topic about 287 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.919 blood diamonds and you know, people mining them and dying 288 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:42.799 for them and just so the rich can get richer. 289 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.639 But what struck me about that movie was the tone 290 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:51.519 treats that story like an action film, whereas now I 291 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:53.919 think there'd be a little bit more gravity to everything 292 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:54.399 going on. 293 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:55.440 That's interesting. 294 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:58.840 And so anyway, this reminded me of, oh, this feels 295 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.720 like an Aughts epic. It feels a bit more like 296 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:06.159 a blockbuster. And Brad Pitt, I think he that's what 297 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.159 he was saying. Here every shot feels like here's the hero. 298 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.159 And then, interestingly enough, in a different interview, I saw 299 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:16.360 Orlando Bloom talking about being in this movie and. 300 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:18.679 He's he too, was not not thrilled to be in it. 301 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:20.519 Well it's funny because he said, I think I just 302 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:22.399 blank Troy out of my brain. By the way, so 303 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:24.480 many people love that movie, but I didn't want to 304 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:27.480 do that movie. I was like, who wanted to be 305 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:28.080 in this movie? 306 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:33.879 Brian Cox, He specifically says, I didn't want to be Paris. 307 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:37.720 Yes, yes, He specifically calls out that moment where he's 308 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:40.759 like hugging his brother's leg, you know, like a coward, 309 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:43.600 and he just he's like, I just can't I don't 310 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:45.639 want to I can't understand this guy. I don't want 311 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:47.080 to play this guy. 312 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:50.360 So yeah, and he pins it on his his agent. 313 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:54.200 It's like that moment it makes the movie and he's like, 314 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:56.120 oh okay, and here I was, well there, that guy's 315 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:57.960 just calculating his percentage, right. 316 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:01.399 Right, right, right, wait, this is post Pirates. Right when 317 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:02.159 did Pirates come out? 318 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:05.319 This is post Pirates? Yea, two thousand and three was Pirates. Okay, 319 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:11.039 So Orlando Bloom obviously he had his his Lord of 320 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:13.000 the Rings run right from two thousand and one to 321 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:15.119 two thousand and three. He gets he gets Pirates right 322 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:16.640 in the middle. He does this in O four, he 323 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:20.599 does Kingdom of Heaven O five, Kingdom of Heaven. As 324 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:22.960 as you know, I'm a big booster of that film, 325 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:26.119 especially the director's cut, and he's he gives a you know, 326 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.880 a solid performance in that and certainly it's like I 327 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.720 have qualms because he feels like he's trying to act 328 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:36.960 more grown up in that movie. But you can you 329 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.960 can see how like that's what he'd rather be doing 330 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:44.400 than sort of this this this sniveling. Yeah, you know, 331 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:49.000 he's not sniveling, but he's he's weak. Yeah, he's well, 332 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:56.200 I mean he's clearly cowardly. Yeah. Yeah. Now, now, interestingly, 333 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:59.440 like this this comes. You know, I gotta say, if 334 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:04.640 if Dian Krueger just presents herself in that way to you, 335 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:06.839 can you really blame Paris? Well? 336 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:09.440 I yeah, they cast well because you can understand why 337 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:12.079 someone would get lost in their decision making, why. 338 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:14.079 Somebody would launch a ten year war. 339 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:19.960 Yes, Dan Krueger, I mean, she's stunning in this movie. Absolutely, 340 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:21.839 this is this is the. 341 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:26.680 Most extreme example of letting your wiener make your decisions 342 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:28.359 to calamitous effect. 343 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:30.359 You know, you know, it's funny, that would be a 344 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:32.160 good title. Maybe we can play with that a little bit, 345 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:36.279 you know. I actually I don't even know where to 346 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:38.519 go with that. But I later in the movie, just 347 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:40.720 as things kept happening, I wrote down, like you could 348 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:43.759 call this movie an escalating series of bad decisions. 349 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:51.000 No, So what I was saying was, was this arrived 350 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:55.240 in that moment where these I don't know what's the word, 351 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:59.799 weird demitification, you know, like yeah, right, right, right right, 352 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:04.359 like fantastical stories or fantasy stories, and we're sort of 353 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:08.279 we're bringing them down to earth, you know. Oddly enough, 354 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:10.920 very nolan ish in that way, right. 355 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:14.319 Which is funny because his version keeps the gods and 356 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:16.240 cyclopses and the things. 357 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:20.519 You know. Yeah, well, that's the paradox about this film, right, 358 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:26.599 is that, like the story of the Battle of Troy 359 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:29.200 and Helen and the Trojan Horse, none of that is real. 360 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:32.599 That did not happen, right. There was a city called 361 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:35.279 Troy and it was sacked at some point, but there 362 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:37.519 was no Achilles, there was no Hector, none of it, right. 363 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:42.720 And so it's a tale, it's a poem that is 364 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:46.480 that's told, and it incorporates gods and things like that 365 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:48.759 because it is a fantasy story. Right. So when you 366 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.480 take out the gods and you say no, we're telling 367 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:54.759 the historical versions, like, well, no, you're not, because it's 368 00:19:54.799 --> 00:20:01.000 not history, right, right, And so that, like I understand 369 00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:04.640 the choice. Uh you know why, you know, because you 370 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:06.720 don't want it to look like Clash of the Titans 371 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:10.480 or something m with you know, Laurence Olivier and various 372 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:14.519 other people in with with bath towels, you know, playing 373 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:17.920 chess with people you don't want to do that. Sure, fine, 374 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.119 but so much of of of what is depicted in 375 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:26.000 in the original story, I mean, the events happened because 376 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:32.160 of the machinations and manipulations of the gods that's what 377 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:38.960 causes these Like even even Paris's seduction of Helen was 378 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:42.559 a result of Aphrodite being involved, you know what I mean. 379 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:44.839 Well, actually I wanted to ask you about that because, 380 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:46.880 like I said, I'm not an expert on these stories, 381 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:53.720 and I've read that this movie may have changed this 382 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:57.839 take like in other takes, Helen does not want to 383 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:02.200 go with Paris, or like she's a prisoner. 384 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:07.279 It's it depends on the telling, right, Either either she 385 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.079 was seduced by Paris or she was kidnapped by Paris. 386 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:15.799 That really it just depends. But I mean, you know, 387 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:20.960 the even the Iliad, right, the Iliad is not it 388 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:25.079 doesn't depict the whole ten year war. The Iliad depicts 389 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:32.240 like one month in this long conflict. So the film 390 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:38.119 crunches that down. You know, Menelaus is not as belligerent 391 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:43.400 as he's depicted here, you know, I mean that there's 392 00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:46.640 more complexity, right, but even still, it's not it's not 393 00:21:46.759 --> 00:21:58.279 like it's it's it's not like Helen loved Menelaus either, 394 00:21:58.440 --> 00:22:01.920 so room there's room to say, well, she was looking 395 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:04.559 for somebody to love her. But the reason Paris even 396 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:08.640 shows up there is because of Aphrodite putting him on 397 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:16.799 that path. I see right, because because based on previous tellings, 398 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:19.759 how does how does Helen marry Menelaus? You have all 399 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:23.960 these other men vying for her, among them Odysseus, by 400 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:29.519 the way, and essentially they there were there were too 401 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:31.960 many men for her to choose from. And this this 402 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:35.720 is her stepfather who was deciding who would marry her, 403 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:39.440 which was the custom then, And so Odysseus proposes, Okay, 404 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:46.240 I'm going to propose a solution, and and whoever, whoever wins, 405 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:51.319 we all have to agree that we will like we won't, 406 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:54.559 we won't be rivals to him. We will we will 407 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:58.319 defend him. And so they literally drew straws. And that's 408 00:22:58.319 --> 00:23:02.359 how Menelaus won. That's how Helen wow. And so by 409 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:06.559 the way, that's why when when the war begins, that's 410 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:10.880 why all these people get brought in because they they 411 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:15.319 took that oath, right right, So this movie adds this 412 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:20.680 geopolitical element to make it more quote unquote realist. I see, 413 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:23.880 I see right. Oh. No, Agamemnon is just using Helen 414 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:26.960 as a pretext because he wants to expand his territory. Yeah, 415 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:30.960 but it was it was really it was just about Helen, 416 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:32.279 you know. 417 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:38.559 Interesting. Wow, yeah, very different. Yeah, you know, by the way, 418 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:42.759 just I was looking at them on the boat. Yeah, 419 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:44.960 and this is something we've been talking about recently. This 420 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:47.480 is twenty twenty six for whoever is listening to this later. 421 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:51.880 But they're on an actual boat with actual water and 422 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:53.039 actual sun. 423 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.400 Actual sun. That's what I was gonna say, because you know, 424 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:00.720 the movie, the live action remake of More Juanas coming 425 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:03.640 up this week as we record, and looking at that trailer, 426 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:06.480 you can just see that they're in a room with 427 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:08.880 a fake son, so like none of the lighting makes sense. 428 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:12.880 Both of their faces are shaded, you know, despite the 429 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:16.759 sun being in one position apparently, and it just looks 430 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:21.759 so false, you know, like my brain just is like 431 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:22.480 this is wrong. 432 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:23.440 It just looks. 433 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:27.720 I don't know, it's not dynamic, it doesn't look sunny. 434 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:30.000 It doesn't look like Hawaii or magical or anything. It 435 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:32.359 just looks like something made in a box somewhere. And 436 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:34.799 it's sad to me. And anyway, recently I was actually 437 00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:39.160 rewatching John Carter of Mars John Carter, sorry forgive me, 438 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:43.519 John Carter. I was watching John Carter and it has 439 00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:46.240 the same problem where there are certain scenes where you're like, yeah, 440 00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:48.680 they're out somewhere like Utah or something, I don't know, 441 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:50.680 with the flats and it looks good. But then there 442 00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:53.519 are other times they're supposed to be outside on these 443 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:58.279 ships and they're all like shaded yea, you know, and 444 00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:00.720 like it doesn't the lighting doesn't make any sense, and 445 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:04.720 you're like, ugh, it's just it's this thing that I 446 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:08.160 feel like we're seeing more and more and maybe people 447 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:10.759 are just accepting it and so they'll they won't change it. 448 00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:13.839 And it's just watching this and seeing these people. You 449 00:25:13.839 --> 00:25:16.400 don't even have to actually be out on the sea, right, 450 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:18.200 but like be on a boat in a parking lot, 451 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:20.039 fill in some fake water, but get the real sun 452 00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:24.200 on these people, and then you'll just just subconsciously you 453 00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:27.559 will be that much more invested in what's happening on screen. Yeah, 454 00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:29.400 you know, because it feels like they're actually there and 455 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:32.480 in the moment. So anyway, I just had to call 456 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:34.960 that out because it's noticeable and I appreciate it. 457 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:39.279 Well, you know, that's what we saw during this this 458 00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:44.240 sort of mini era where these epics came back for 459 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:49.559 like a second. They you know, because Gladiator and Brave Heart. 460 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:53.000 You know, again this is pre cgim and so you 461 00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:53.960 had to do it for real. 462 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:57.519 Yeah, yeah, right, and this all you could do. I 463 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:00.960 Gladiator famously, like they extended. 464 00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:03.119 The car and they did the same thing in this 465 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:06.400 but but but but not like yeah, you weren't you 466 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:09.920 weren't shooting on the volume, you know, right right, And 467 00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:12.319 you know, they spent one hundred and eighty five million 468 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:17.319 dollars making this thing. They built a real fricking Trojan wall. Yeah, 469 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:19.799 and it and it shows, I mean, it looks it, 470 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:23.039 you know it. It just it drops us into the 471 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:27.359 reality of the world. And and that kind of very 472 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:30.160 similitude is so important because because to me, what you're describing, 473 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:33.400 like with Mowana, which I haven't seen, but but you 474 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:36.400 can just see from the trailers, right, it's it's it's 475 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.559 people standing against a green screen and a bunch of 476 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:43.640 digital stuff added around them. Yeah, and that's just less interesting, 477 00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:43.920 you know. 478 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:49.079 Yeah, it just kills the illusion, whether you realize it 479 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:52.680 or not. Right, you know, I mean this even you know, 480 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.200 like looking at them fight among these you know, not 481 00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:58.400 ruins but stones or whatever you want to call it, 482 00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:01.279 like archways, like it's just the real breeze blowing in 483 00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:01.720 their hair. 484 00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:02.680 Yep. 485 00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:05.559 I just get that. I feel the spirit that they 486 00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:08.160 want me to feel here. You know, this guy training 487 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:11.599 and being out outdoors and man, when it just feels 488 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:13.440 so flat and you can tell there's just a fan 489 00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:17.559 blowing on them and the lighting is strangely dim for 490 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:21.000 them supposedly being out under the beautiful sun of Hawaii. 491 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:24.200 It's just it's a strange decision that I don't I mean, 492 00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:26.519 I do understand. I'm sure the rock didn't want to leave, 493 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.640 you know, a ten mile radius of his house or something. 494 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:33.279 You know, that's probably what it was, but you know, 495 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:38.640 I don't know. So Garrett Headland, which I didn't realize. 496 00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:40.119 Sorry, I just want Yeah. 497 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.039 I was like, wow, this guy looks kind of like 498 00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:44.119 Brad Pitt, Like I get that they're supposed to be 499 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:46.640 related here, And then I went on IMDb and it's like, oh, dang, 500 00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:47.759 I didn't even recognize him. 501 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:50.160 Well, he had been in LA for a month when 502 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:57.039 he got this gig. Holy cow, So talk about the luck. Yeah, 503 00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.400 and he's done, okay, you know, Garrett Headline, he's still 504 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:05.400 working yeah. Yeah. So so one of the differences from 505 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:08.440 the director's cut is there's an earlier scene introducing Sean 506 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:12.640 Bean as Odysseus where you have Agamemnon's emissaries going to 507 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:14.920 Ithaca where he's the king of Ithaca and he's just 508 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:17.119 in the woods, kind of dressed like a regular guy, 509 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.559 and they're like, we're looking for for king Odysseus. And 510 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:22.640 he's like Odysseus, that guy. He can't keep his hands 511 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.759 off my wife, you know, and and you know he's 512 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:30.279 kind of a trickster ish, you know. And and I 513 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:32.160 actually liked that. I wish they would have kept that in, 514 00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.960 if only because it allows us to meet you know, 515 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:38.480 because Odysseus ends up as sort of like the narrator 516 00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:42.519 of the film, right, and I think we really don't 517 00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:46.920 get very much context for who he is in in 518 00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:49.039 the in the theatrical cut. 519 00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:51.960 Yeah, it's a great introduction. 520 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.400 I think so. And and it and it also points 521 00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:58.960 towards his characterization in the Honesty, right, because that's he's 522 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:03.359 he's very clever mm hmm. You know, it's very funny 523 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.440 because Odysseus, Odysseus is like the Fraser of this movie. 524 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:14.440 He's like his stuff is coming later, right, right, right, 525 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:26.640 that's here. He's most like, oh, forgot's sake, Achilles, that's good. Yeah, 526 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:28.799 but Sean Bean is so good in this. Yeah, I 527 00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:32.400 love Sean Bean. I think Sean Bean was really driven 528 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:36.960 by two goals, uh, to not be the secret bad 529 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:42.200 guy and to not die like that. I was shocked 530 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:46.400 that he survived. Well canonically, you know, he's got to 531 00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:46.960 make it out. 532 00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.000 Of that, I guess, But yeah, I know it's it's 533 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.319 I don't know, muscle memory. If I see him on screen, 534 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.400 I got to prepare to mourn him eventually. 535 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.440 See I I wonder if, like when when they offered 536 00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.680 him Game of Thrones with Ned Stark, He's like, oh, 537 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.000 this is great, and then he gets to scenes family. God, 538 00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:09.279 damn it, son of a bitch. Yeah, I gotta say. 539 00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:12.559 I mean, I'm not able to really clock the details 540 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.559 of what's changed here, but I can sense that it 541 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.759 is moving at a faster clip for sure. Sure, I 542 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.440 would say the director's cut, which I did appreciate watching 543 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.079 because like, to your point, we do get extra sort 544 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:28.400 of character moments. I mean, I notice we get a 545 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.920 longer a second moment between Hector and Paris after he 546 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:35.960 visits with after Paris visits with Helen, and Hector says 547 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:39.680 something about, like, dude, if you was he say something 548 00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:43.359 about like if you put like our people or something 549 00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.480 in peril, like I'll rip that pretty face of yours 550 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.359 off or something. I was like, ooh damn. Yeah, like 551 00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.599 that's older brother talk right there, which we didn't get here. 552 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:57.920 So it's but it's moving a little quicker. I did 553 00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:03.880 write down director's cut leisurely. Yeah, so you know, but 554 00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.480 if you're interested and you're invested, it's nice to have 555 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:08.440 those extra things. But I could see why this is 556 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:09.720 the theatric. 557 00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:13.359 Yeah, but I think collectively those additions do add up, 558 00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:16.400 because because by and large, by the time those three 559 00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:19.480 hours and fifteen minutes were done, I didn't feel like 560 00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:23.039 I had spent that much more time, you know, like 561 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:27.440 it it added up in a way that I appreciated. Yeah, 562 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:31.319 the little bits and bobs, especially later, like we get 563 00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:35.680 much more the relationship with Brsis and Achilles and stuff. 564 00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:38.960 I think I think all of that collectively worked for me. Yeah. 565 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:41.039 I guess it just sort of depends what you want 566 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.279 out of it, Like if you want to watch like 567 00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:47.720 a two thousand and four epic and have some fun 568 00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:50.480 in an evening, like I could see the theatrical cut 569 00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:52.839 so far from what I can tell, like doing the 570 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.240 trick and yeah, moving a little bit with a little 571 00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:59.039 more urgency or something. But if you're really interested and 572 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.559 want to spend more time exist in this world, I 573 00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:03.559 don't think the director's cut has scenes where you're. 574 00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:07.680 Like, why is this in here? Yeah? There there's that 575 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:12.319 Odysseus scene and then a scene at Apollo's temple that 576 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.160 I like both of those editions actually real quick before 577 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:16.920 we move on, I wanted to mention Julie Christy as 578 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.359 as that is Achilles' mom. Now now in the mythology, 579 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:25.160 thatis is a sea goddess. Okay, right, so Achilles is 580 00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:29.559 a demi god. Oh interesting, half man, half god, and 581 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.519 so he has supernatural power. 582 00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:34.000 I was gonna say, that makes a lot of sense 583 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.759 why he's such a effective killer. 584 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.599 Exactly right. And and so the movie what what what 585 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:42.480 I find kind of interesting is that the movie it 586 00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:47.039 doesn't say definitively he that that's not true. When we 587 00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.079 see thatis she's in water, So there's at least room 588 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:54.680 for that, right, And I and I think that's very interesting, right, 589 00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:58.960 like it it's it's telling the story and and the 590 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:04.920 god's impact did insofar as you have people doing things 591 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:08.480 based on what they think the gods want, right, So 592 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:12.839 there's room for you to you know, you can say, well, 593 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:17.160 is Achilles supernatural or not? Right Achilles? You know, his 594 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.039 his weakness was was his heel because that was when 595 00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:24.960 he was dipped in the magic water. That was the 596 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:30.200 only area that was uncovered m or where he was 597 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.799 held from as a baby. Right now, when when he 598 00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:37.240 is injured at the end, it happens to be in 599 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.920 his heel. I mean you know what I mean, Like 600 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:43.359 they leave like the wiggle room. 601 00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:46.400 Well, I love that he gets all these arrows everywhere else, 602 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:48.759 but he pulls them all out exactly and the only 603 00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:50.640 one left is in the heel. So if someone were 604 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:54.960 to discover his body and tell the tail create the legend. 605 00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:55.640 I guess his heel. 606 00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:57.960 Yeah, yeah, I was like, that's brilliant. 607 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.119 I like that. So Peter O'Toole is our second Peter 608 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:05.759 O'Toole commentary in the span of a month. Yeah, yeah, 609 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.880 we've ground from zero to two O'Toole. 610 00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:11.960 Yeah, yeah, who apparently did not have a great time. 611 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:16.440 Here's this movie. So Peter O'Toole. What I've learned based 612 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:20.800 on this and Supergirl is my man shows up, Yeah, 613 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:25.239 because you know what, he's good in this totally yeah right, yeah, 614 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.880 I mean, you know, he he knows the assignment, you know. 615 00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.360 I think I think for a lot of it it 616 00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:34.559 comes down to the fact that he's Peter fing O'Toole. Right. 617 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.599 It doesn't really need to do much. But he has 618 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:40.760 a scene with with Achilles in the tent. It's a 619 00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:42.960 terrific I mean, it's just agit. Oh my gosh. 620 00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:46.800 Yeah, maybe my favorite scene that that whole moment, even 621 00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:48.679 and outside the tent after that too. 622 00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:54.119 Yeah. Now he did not suffer Wolfgang Peterson gladly. 623 00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.800 Now what is that about? I mean, what is Wolfgang 624 00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:59.679 Peterson like? Do you know what it was? Specifically? 625 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:03.519 I have no idea because because Brad Pitt was like 626 00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:06.440 I got along fine with Kank Peterson, you know, so 627 00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:12.280 I think it's just just the chemistry was off, you know. Interesting. 628 00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:17.159 But yeah, there's something about these this generation of actors 629 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:20.760 where they're just inherently interesting, you know what I mean, 630 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:22.960 Like they could just say these lines in act regal, 631 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.119 but they have like a little twinkle in their eye. 632 00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.159 Or they add just like a little little just something, 633 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:33.000 a little affectation so effortlessly that makes them you know, 634 00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:33.880 that's why we're. 635 00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.599 Like, well, that's that's why he's Peter O'Toole. Yeah. 636 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:38.679 And he's not holding it back here, he's going, yeah, 637 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.440 he's doing it. He's he's not just reading off the page. 638 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.239 Yeah, he like we said, I mean, he he was 639 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:47.880 not a fan of the film. At the premiere, he 640 00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:55.920 walked out after fifteen minutes. Interesting. I saw like a 641 00:35:56.000 --> 00:36:00.199 junk Ket interview with him about this movie, and oh 642 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:03.960 my god, I felt such like secondhand cringe watching this interviewer. 643 00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.360 So did this like remind you of Florence of Arabia? 644 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.679 And I mean you can tell he's being very polite. 645 00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:13.760 He's like, I don't really see how it's like Laurence, 646 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.719 you know, and you're like, oh god, why was you 647 00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:17.199 asking that? 648 00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:21.280 You know what, though, that's very classy of him. Yeah, like, 649 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.480 you know, I'm not seeing the connection, Like he's not 650 00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:26.719 he's not b sing the guy, but he's you know, 651 00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:28.159 but he's being polite about it. 652 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:32.320 Yeah, it was rough. That is rough though. Actually I 653 00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:36.039 saw speaking of Junket cringe, I saw another one this 654 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.559 is this is the video was how not to begin 655 00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:43.559 a celebrity interview, So right, naturally, I'm like, well, obviously 656 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:47.280 have to c yeah, and it's it's an interview with 657 00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:50.639 John Cuzak. And and forgive me, I don't remember the 658 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:52.320 name of the movie, but the but the young lady 659 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.440 who's interviewing him, she's like, you know, it's funny. I'm 660 00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.079 actually skipping class to to be here to interview you 661 00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.480 and my class, you know, they're watching American Beauty. Isn't 662 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.960 that funny? And he's like, why is that funny? Because 663 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:05.440 you're in it. He's like, no, no, I'm not. Are 664 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.079 you sure, like nope, nope, not in it? Really, And 665 00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:12.960 she did this like four times, and right, I can 666 00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:14.840 I can feel you cringing. 667 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.079 I know, or I'm like just say oh my bad, 668 00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:22.800 you know, or like like don't don't insist that he's 669 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:24.079 wrong about his own film. 670 00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.000 About his own movie. So obviously she thought he's Kevin Spacey, 671 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.199 you know, oh my gosh. Yeah. 672 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:33.559 I mean, by the way, I can imagine myself in 673 00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:36.119 a scenario like that where you've been there, you you 674 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:39.559 become untethered, yeah, and you're just like swimming trying to 675 00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:41.679 get back to land, like I I know that. 676 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:46.599 I'm like, I it's I feel such I feel so 677 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:48.159 bad for that person. You know. 678 00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:50.199 Actually I was going to ask, even before you started 679 00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.960 the story, watching things like that, do you get like 680 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.119 a secondhand PTSD years, I get. 681 00:37:55.000 --> 00:38:00.519 Like so twitchy? Yeah, absolutely, yeah, you know, yeah, it's funny. 682 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:01.000 I can't like that. 683 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:03.960 Sometimes when I watch shows about the industry and I 684 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.320 see characters that are like people that I know, or 685 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.320 like jobs that I've been in orbit around, or writers 686 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:13.199 getting crazy notes or things, and I'm like, I like 687 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.119 this because I'm interested in this world, but this is 688 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:16.599 making me very uncomfortable. 689 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:23.679 Yeah. Yeah, anyway, so we should talk about Helen among 690 00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:27.199 the people now. Originally Wolfgang Peterson his idea was we 691 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:31.280 just won't even show Helen, and. 692 00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:33.280 That was because he wasn't sure he could cast someone 693 00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:36.239 as captivating as Helen required. 694 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.760 To be because she's supposed to be so beautiful, right right, 695 00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:42.199 And Warner Brothers is like, well, no, you're casting Helen. 696 00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:43.159 That's insane. 697 00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:44.760 Yeah, that'd be funny if she was, like I'm sure, 698 00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:46.519 what's a movie like that where like maybe there's a 699 00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:49.199 character that's always reference But we only see them in 700 00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:51.920 shadows or off screen. I feel like I'm thinking of something, 701 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.920 but I can't. Yeah, come up with the r but anyway, 702 00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:56.599 that would be interesting if she, Yeah, she was. I 703 00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:59.679 guess this is the only thing I can think of. 704 00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:01.480 Is g this and been her or something where it's 705 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.079 like we all know who he is, but we don't 706 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.039 see him, but he affects you know, you just see 707 00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:09.280 people looking up at him. Yeah, yeah, people react, yeah yeah, 708 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:10.480 which would be crazy. 709 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:15.119 Yeah, Cooler heads prevailed. They were talking about Catherine Zida Jones. 710 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.079 I think Hallie Barry was in the mix. 711 00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:20.119 Okay, she'd be like the suitcase from Pulp Fiction, where 712 00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.760 there's like a glow on everyone when she walks into 713 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:28.039 a room where people look look at her. Yeah anyway, sorry. 714 00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:32.840 Yes, But instead they went Dian Krueger. First movie. I 715 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:35.119 didn't know that. Wow, okay, first American movie. 716 00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:37.079 Okay, because she's German, right. 717 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.320 Correct, and she's she's great in this. I really liked her. 718 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.119 I think, so, yeah, yeah, you know, she gets some 719 00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:48.480 It's it's interesting, right because like you know, it's it's 720 00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:53.440 easy to be like, well, you know, like on one level, 721 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:55.880 you're like, well, Helen, you kind of started all this, 722 00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:59.360 you know, you know, but it's her in Paris both. 723 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.960 I was gonna, well, I don't know what this is 724 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:03.960 about me, but I was just blaming Paris the whole time. 725 00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:06.440 Well, I mean, look, they're both in it together. 726 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:08.320 She didn't have to go, but yeah, you're right, it's 727 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:09.119 they're in it together. 728 00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:13.400 Now, we have not talked about Eric Banna at all, 729 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:18.119 which is a crime. Yeah, yeah, he is so good 730 00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:19.079 in this movie. 731 00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:21.960 He's like, I mean, just even looking at him smile 732 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.079 right there, like, yeah, he just has this inherent like 733 00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:29.320 I don't know, goodness or something like. He shines through 734 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.440 as a guy with integrity and warmth. 735 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:34.880 See. This is one of my clearest memories of watching 736 00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:36.400 this for the first time. Is I mean, if you 737 00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:38.760 know the story, you know, well, Hector dies fighting Achilles. 738 00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:41.199 That's like the most famous part of the story. And 739 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:47.159 I didn't expect to love Hector so much, to just 740 00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:50.320 be like, like when when that moment comes in the 741 00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:53.760 lead up to his final face off with him, where 742 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.039 you're like, you know what's going to happen yep, And 743 00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:58.239 it's just absolutely hard. 744 00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:02.719 I was anguished, honestly, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It 745 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:05.679 was yeah, knowing what's going to happen, it's hard to watch, 746 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.400 and just even the circumstances of it, I'm like, it 747 00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:09.559 was a misunderstanding. 748 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:13.920 Well that's the thing, right, Like he he is he 749 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:19.280 he's like the only one who does all the right stuff, right, 750 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.320 He's he's he doesn't want to be fighting this war, 751 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:24.559 but he this is his nation. He has to protect 752 00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:26.880 his nation, He has to protect his family. You know, 753 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:31.679 he has to face Achilles because you know that's what 754 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:33.079 Honor demands, you know. 755 00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:34.480 His dumbass little brother. 756 00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:42.639 Yeah, exactly right. You know. Eric Banna was ecstatic about 757 00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:46.960 playing Hector. Yeah, you know, he met with with Wolf 758 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:48.400 King Peterson and he's like, oh, do you want to 759 00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:50.119 be a Hector Achilles? Like, no, I want to be Hector? 760 00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:55.239 Are you kidding? And and Peterson said, oh, good, because 761 00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:59.320 because Brad wants to play Achilles, you know, perfect. Yeah, 762 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.880 He's like, okay, let him do that, you know. And 763 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:05.800 and I think the reason uh Banna works in this 764 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.639 role is that it's almost the opposite of Brad. Brad 765 00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:13.079 Pitt looks like he's he's sculpted out of marble. Eric 766 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.679 Banna just looks like a guy, you know, he's he's 767 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:18.760 he's a fit, regular guy. 768 00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:20.800 Yeah, he looks like he can fight. 769 00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:23.079 Yeah, oh you can kick your ass. But it looks 770 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.239 like yes, like like like he looks like a bloke, 771 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:29.760 you know, totally yes, yes, yes, head yeah, and and 772 00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.719 I think that's what drew Eric Banna to to this part. 773 00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:37.199 Now I should mention, Brian, You've had several entanglements with 774 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:38.719 several of the cast members from. 775 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:41.280 This film now that I think about it. Strangely, within 776 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:46.000 just about a year, I would, yeah, brush shoulders with 777 00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:50.480 Orlando and Helen and and Helen Yeah, and uh and 778 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.719 Orlando Bloom. Also the so the a year after this 779 00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:56.440 movie came out, I was working on the movie Mister 780 00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:59.360 Missus Smith. Of course Brad Pitt's on that, and he's 781 00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:01.599 a cool guy. He like interacts with me a little 782 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:04.320 bit more than a big star of that movie, you know, 783 00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:08.519 needs to, because he seemed like a dude. And they 784 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.440 were filming Elizabethtown there. Wow, So I saw Kirsten Dunston, 785 00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:15.719 Orlando Bloom, and Cameron Crowe. Cameron Crowe gave me a 786 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:18.159 really warm hey, how's it going in a hallway? 787 00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:19.519 And it was just like that was it? 788 00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:21.360 Like it sounds like a silly little story, but for me, 789 00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:25.639 I was like, wow, that was like really And then 790 00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:29.159 after mister Missus Smith, I went on to this movie 791 00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:31.599 called Lucky You, and I was about to just say 792 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:33.199 the title, but I realized I have to explain it 793 00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:36.400 because no one's seen it. It's it's a poker movie 794 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:40.000 that Curtis Hansen wrote and directed Churs Hanson of La Confidential, 795 00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:43.599 Late Gat Late Great, Great Guy, Great Guy. I was 796 00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.440 just a PA on that movie, and he went out 797 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.719 of his way to invite me to screenings, Like personally, 798 00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:49.880 he'd be like, hey, we're having a screening. We're doing pizza, 799 00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.920 Like you should come, nice guy, And like why is 800 00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:57.480 Eric Banna probably the nicest celebrity I worked with in 801 00:43:57.519 --> 00:43:58.400 my movie days. 802 00:43:58.639 --> 00:43:59.559 That's cool. 803 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:03.159 Just to tell a real brief personal anecdote. So he's 804 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:06.280 from Australia and he had to live in this apartment 805 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.440 complex in La while he was shooting Lucky You, and 806 00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:11.719 so was he and his family moving in and they 807 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:16.840 wanted the production wanted me to help move him in, 808 00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:19.760 you know, like, hey, this is your place, this is 809 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.599 where the office is. If you want to call for food, 810 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:24.360 these are good restaurants in the area, that kind of thing, 811 00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:25.920 and I was like, I don't know any of this stuff, 812 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.800 so anyway, I could tell much longer version of this. 813 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:32.480 But I went over there. They were so warm and friendly. 814 00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:34.760 I showed him around, we hung out for a little bit, 815 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.840 and for the rest of the shoot, he was always like, hey, Brian, Like, 816 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.280 how's it going, Brian, And then like when he'd be 817 00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:43.679 in a cart with his family around the lot, he'd 818 00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:46.239 be like, Hey, there's Brian. Wave it Brian, you know, 819 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:48.159 and then he'd be like, how you doing, what's going on? 820 00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:52.519 Like genuinely kind and interested in me? And so I 821 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.199 never forgot that he and Eugene Levy probably two of 822 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:55.960 the nicest. 823 00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:57.559 People I met. I love that. Yep. 824 00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.360 So I've really I love him and I've been endeared 825 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:03.400 to him ever since, and I think I bring that 826 00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:05.960 with me when I watch him in movies, like, yeah, he's. 827 00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.800 A good guy. He's a good dude. Which is funny, 828 00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:11.480 by the way, just talking about we just talked past 829 00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:14.239 that line that you thought was, oh, yes, Brad Pitt says, 830 00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.599 take it, it's yours, It's yours. 831 00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:20.320 I remembered that from the trailer, but I like, if 832 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:21.599 you had said that quote, I'd be like, oh, yeah, 833 00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:23.440 that's from like a like an action movie. But I 834 00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:25.559 wouldn't have remembered what it was till I rewatched this. 835 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:27.079 There you go, You're welcome. 836 00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:29.639 But I was gonna say real quick with Eric Bannon, 837 00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.840 we keep talking about his warmth and everything, but it's 838 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.400 funny the way he sort of broke out. He was 839 00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:39.159 a comedian first in Australia on like sketch comedy stuff 840 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.840 like he was known as like the Australian Jim Carrey, 841 00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:42.800 which is still hard for me. 842 00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:46.159 Yeah, well, he followed kind of a Michael Keaton trajectory, 843 00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:47.320 you know, exactly. 844 00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:50.320 Well, and then he was in this movie called Chopper, which, 845 00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:54.559 strangely enough, he played this really crazy violent character. That's right, right, 846 00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:59.000 So that's what's funny is that role with like the 847 00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:02.559 shaved head and this aggression and everything is what basically 848 00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:05.239 got a bunch of people to cast him in American 849 00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.679 movies where he never really played that type again. 850 00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:12.039 You know. Yeah, well he so he had Hulk and three, 851 00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:16.760 uh huh, he had this and O four and then 852 00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.480 and then he had Munich and five. Yeah what a 853 00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:24.079 run man, you know. So so he works with with 854 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:27.199 with ang Lee, with Peterson, with Spielberg. Oh, and he's 855 00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:29.320 so good in Munich, by the way, I got to 856 00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:31.000 rewatch that man. He's fantastic. 857 00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:33.760 And I remember delivering him the script for Munich. They 858 00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:36.000 gave it to me in an envelope and to me 859 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:39.119 this was like, this is a Steven Spielberg's next movie. 860 00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:42.760 I'm holding it in my hands speaking of the suitcase 861 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:46.000 from Pulp Fiction and a glow on my face. I 862 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.880 remember being like wow, and I got to hand it 863 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:49.840 over to ban Aya. 864 00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:55.280 So so this sequence here where where Achilles and the 865 00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:58.679 and the Mermaidens they they make landfall. So what is 866 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:07.119 cut out is where they take over an Apollonian temple. 867 00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:11.679 Oh that's not in this version. Yeah, oh that seems 868 00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:17.239 very important. Yeah, I mean, especially for the Rose Byrn character. 869 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:23.760 Yeah. So the fact that what you have is is 870 00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:28.039 Achilles' people are like, you know, this is a temple 871 00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.519 of Apollo. We don't want to upset Apollo. And then 872 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:36.119 he beheads the statue of Apollo and says, I don't 873 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:37.119 see him doing anything. 874 00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:39.480 Yeah, and she's a priestess. 875 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:42.880 She's a priestess there. Yeah, so that's fascinating. I didn't 876 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:46.760 even notice that. Okay, Tyler Mayne, by the way, as Ajax, 877 00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.920 he was sabertoothed. And oh tax Man Movie, by the way, 878 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:54.480 Brendan Gleeson, Great, there's a guy. There's a type. 879 00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:58.360 Yeah, they're just certain people that feel effortless. Yeah, and 880 00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:03.280 they just feel like a fully dimensional, interesting person, you know, 881 00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.599 no matter who they're playing in Brendan Gleeson, good lord. 882 00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:11.239 Yeah. Well, first time I saw him was was Braveheart yep, 883 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:13.519 which you know, I'm sure was the same for you. 884 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:18.480 And and you realize, like Brave Heart was you know, 885 00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:21.800 you had Brian Cox and Brandon Gleeson. They're in Braveheart. 886 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:24.199 Oh wow, yeah, I forget about it. 887 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:26.400 I haven't watched it in a really long time. 888 00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:30.800 Yeah, you know, Orlando Bloom and Brandon Gleeson, they're in 889 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.440 Kingdom of Heaven. All these like overlaps between these epics. Interesting. 890 00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.440 I love I love Achilles, like jump slash thing that 891 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:39.800 he does. 892 00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:41.760 Yeah, he's got like a special move. 893 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.800 It's like his it's like his rock Bottom. Yeah. 894 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:47.880 Yeah, he's like, yeah, a good character. It's like you 895 00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:50.840 gotta you unlock this move and then he's unstoppable. 896 00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:58.440 Yeah. Yeah, so this sequence got trimmed down in the 897 00:48:58.639 --> 00:48:59.920 in the director. 898 00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.519 You know, I gotta admit, when I was watching the 899 00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:04.360 director's cut, I did have to split it up over 900 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:06.880 two nights, and that was my fault. I started it 901 00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:09.360 a little too late and it's over three hours. But 902 00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:14.199 I did think like, okay, this is there's nothing wrong 903 00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:16.320 with this, and I am enjoying it. But I could 904 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:18.679 see where you could maybe take some things out and 905 00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:21.119 I might not notice, but now that you're mentioning the 906 00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:24.280 things that are missing, I'm like, well, but not that right, 907 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:24.679 you know. 908 00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:34.599 See I think just I think just seeing big crowds, 909 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.559 oh man, horses and stuff, and you know, I think 910 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.599 that that's uh, that's rare. 911 00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:43.079 You know, it's so impressive. I actually the moment where 912 00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:47.320 everyone's Hector, Paris and Helen are arriving in Troy, and 913 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:50.440 it's just you see, the streets are lined with people 914 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:55.559 and there's pedals floating down and horses and grandeur. And 915 00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:57.960 I was thinking that earlier, like wow, this is just 916 00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:01.480 so I stand correct at that. Oh there we go, Apollo. 917 00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:03.679 Don't worry if you want to see Apolo get beheaded. 918 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:08.280 If you're not, if you're coming for that. You're getting 919 00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:11.000 it no matter which cut you're watching. But no, I'm 920 00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:13.280 with you. I mean, I know, like even just this, 921 00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:17.679 a shot like this, like a hundred horses galloping over 922 00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:21.280 the sand. It just looks so impressive. And that's one 923 00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:23.159 of the shots I think of because people don't do 924 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:25.639 that as much these days, or they do trickery that 925 00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:27.920 just kind of in the back of your brain, you know, 926 00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:32.559 it's not quite you know, there's trickery happening, which I 927 00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:35.360 can understand for budgets sake sometimes obviously. Yeah, but I 928 00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:37.719 think of the dark Knight rises when you have the 929 00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:42.039 cops and bains henchmen in the street and there's just hundreds, 930 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:47.280 hundreds of people standing there in costumes, charging at one another, 931 00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:49.960 and you're like, wow, that Christopher Nolan is one of 932 00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:53.280 the few people now who can be like, no, it 933 00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:56.320 won't work unless we have hundreds of people in costumes 934 00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:58.760 charging at one another, right, And you're just like, well, 935 00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:00.920 thank God for that guy. At least he's still. And 936 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:02.760 that's why I'm really looking forward to The Odyssey, whether 937 00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:04.440 or not I even like it as a film. I 938 00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.079 haven't seen it yet. I know I'm going to witness 939 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.480 something that not a lot of filmmakers are able to 940 00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:13.679 pull off in twenty twenty six scope scale this, you. 941 00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:15.840 Know, going back to what we were talking about earlier, right, like, 942 00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.400 so Nolan is getting lined up to do this, He's 943 00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:23.960 getting excited, and then and then they're like, hey, sorry bro, yeah, 944 00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:28.119 and is he like Man mother effort? You know, yeah, fine, 945 00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:29.639 but you can do Batman all right? 946 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:31.199 Right? 947 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:34.440 Right? You know, And and it's just like, could he 948 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:36.159 you know what I mean, at that moment, could he 949 00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:41.559 have imagined how this door that was closing was the 950 00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:44.519 best possible thing that he could ever have imagined? 951 00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:48.920 Probably not, right, because we never can, right, And he 952 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:51.320 gets to make his odyssey the way that he I'm 953 00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.480 sure it would have been compromised in some ways for 954 00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:56.719 him in that moment. But now who's going to tell 955 00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.199 him no? You know, he gets to shoot. I think 956 00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.760 this is the first film entirely shot with Imax cameras, 957 00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:05.039 a dream he said he's had since he was sixteen 958 00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:05.599 years old. 959 00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:07.760 Amazing, and just. 960 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:09.519 Having to wait a little bit longer allowed him to 961 00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:09.800 do that. 962 00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:14.280 See. Now this sequence here is very interesting, right because 963 00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:17.199 so this is our first confrontation between Achilles and Hector, 964 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:24.280 and what you realize is that they're ideologically very similar, right, 965 00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:27.920 Like we so we saw we saw Hector, excuse me, 966 00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.400 we saw Achilles behead the statue and he's like, I 967 00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.679 don't see Apollo here, right, And we see something very 968 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:39.199 similar from a from Hector later where the priests are like, oh, 969 00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:42.079 the gods are saying this, and he's like, you know, 970 00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:44.280 you're talking about what birds are doing and this and that. Right. 971 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:49.360 So in other words, they have this like the characters 972 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:54.480 I should say, expressing like this vaguely atheistic worldview, right, 973 00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:58.559 but I would say it's a humanistic worldview, and that's 974 00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:02.920 at odds with the armies that they represent. Yes, yeah, right, 975 00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:06.880 So ideologically they're very similar, right. And you know that's 976 00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:12.039 when when after when, when when Achilles is giving the 977 00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:14.199 body back, he says, you know, we'll meet again, brother, 978 00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:17.280 Like I that spoke to me, you know. 979 00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:23.119 I agree, Yeah, they they they have a respect for 980 00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:26.239 one another, an understanding of one another, And yeah, I agree. 981 00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:28.280 That made that very moving at the end, even though 982 00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:32.039 I was furious exactly Achilles killing him, but like, yeah, 983 00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:35.280 there is a code or something. 984 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:38.000 Well like right here right where he's like, uh, you know, 985 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:42.400 why are you letting him go? Yeah, and I love Achilles. 986 00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:45.480 It's it's too early in the day to be killing princes. Yeah, 987 00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:47.719 but it's just because he respects him. 988 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:56.119 Yeah, you know, you know, I I read somewhere I 989 00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:57.519 don't know if this is true, so I'm going to 990 00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:01.760 preface that, but that in the trailer there was more 991 00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:03.800 ships in the sea, and then people were like, that 992 00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:06.039 doesn't even make sense, Like ships couldn't operate like that, 993 00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:09.760 So they scaled back the ships in the although looking here, 994 00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:11.239 I'm like, that's a lot of ships. 995 00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:15.639 It is a lot of ships. Well, I remember maybe 996 00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:18.039 it was referring to the earlier shot where you see 997 00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:21.920 it's just the sea and you see a sea full 998 00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:23.400 of ships coming towards Troy. 999 00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:26.760 That's true because here they've pretty much landed. 1000 00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:33.440 They've landed. Yeah, yeah, man, just so much effort back then, 1001 00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:39.000 I mean, you know, I mean obviously they used computers 1002 00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:43.039 to fill in a lot of this, but again, it 1003 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.920 was like the technology wasn't yet there where you could 1004 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:49.519 just you could just lean on the computers to do 1005 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:54.760 most of it, and so you needed extras. You needed 1006 00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:56.920 you know, you need to go to other countries and you. 1007 00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:02.400 Know, mm hmm, I know this would I don't even 1008 00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:04.679 know what this, you know, just the structure that they're 1009 00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:07.920 putting up on the beach here. It's just some production 1010 00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:10.920 designer and had to look at look at all this. 1011 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:11.360 It looks so. 1012 00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:15.280 Lived in and really like you could walk through it. 1013 00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:21.000 Yeah. Well, they were supposed to shoot in Morocco, and 1014 00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:26.920 then the Gulf War broke out. Mmm remember that? Yeah? 1015 00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:28.000 Which one? 1016 00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:32.639 Yeah? Yeah, go War two? Yeah, and so they shot 1017 00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:34.800 it in Mexico, so they had to basically just up 1018 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:39.360 and take everything across the way. Wow, man, I mean 1019 00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:42.800 it it look I mean, Brad Pitt got his seventeen million, 1020 00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:46.119 so I'm going fine, but I mean he definitely he 1021 00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:49.039 put his body through it. Yeah. 1022 00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:51.599 And I guess this at the time was the most 1023 00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:53.400 expensive R rated movie ever made. 1024 00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:55.280 I think, oh wow at the time. 1025 00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.840 So yeah, I guess if you're building all this stuff 1026 00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:02.199 and moving it from country to country, it adds up. 1027 00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:08.599 Yeah. Well, the other thing is that it topped out 1028 00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:11.880 at just under five hundred million, And it occurred to me, 1029 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:15.119 I'm like, remember when that was Okay, that was a hit, 1030 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:18.519 right right right, Like I feel like the metrics for 1031 00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:24.159 success are so upside down now, Yeah, that either you 1032 00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:27.079 spend nothing or you make everything. 1033 00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:32.880 Yeah yeah yeah rose byrne By the way, I had 1034 00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:33.760 forgotten she was in this. 1035 00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:39.119 I love her. Yeah, well it you know, initially they 1036 00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:45.400 were talking to Kien Nightly, who was like eighteen. Yeah. 1037 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:48.760 Yeah, she was having a funny moment, wasn't she Like 1038 00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:51.480 she was blowing up. But she was a lot younger 1039 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:53.320 than I think people realized. I mean when you watch 1040 00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:57.119 Love actually, you know, like a funny little trivia thing 1041 00:56:57.320 --> 00:56:59.599 is that Liam Neeson's son, the actor who plays his 1042 00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.599 son in that movie, is only five years younger than 1043 00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:05.199 keer Knightley in that movie, and he looks like like 1044 00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:05.920 an eight year old. 1045 00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:07.079 Wow. 1046 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:09.159 You know, it's one of those things where he's one 1047 00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:10.960 of those actors that looks younger than he really is. 1048 00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:15.320 But she was seventeen in that movie playing you know 1049 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:18.519 this like quote unquote adult like getting married and it's 1050 00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:21.360 pretty messed up, and she's yeah, it's kind of kind 1051 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:24.119 of crazy. I mean, she looked as far as I 1052 00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:25.800 could tell, at least when the movie came out, because 1053 00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:27.960 I was around her age or something. I don't know, 1054 00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:29.760 like I didn't think about it, but now you think 1055 00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:30.920 about it. 1056 00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:34.760 Yeah, well it was certainly pairing her with forty year 1057 00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:39.599 old Brad Pitt was gross. Yes, right. 1058 00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:41.760 I actually I wasn't even thinking about her in this movie, yeah, 1059 00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:44.760 just I was thinking that her style might not fit this, 1060 00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:48.000 Like she does really well in Pirates, right, Like she's 1061 00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:48.679 perfect for that. 1062 00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:50.960 But yeah, the sort of. 1063 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:56.920 I don't know, tragic figure here that Burne is playing, 1064 00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:58.559 I think she does it well. Well. 1065 00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:01.360 Rose burn got the bit, It got the gig off 1066 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:06.360 of Eric Banner's recommendation. Yeah, fellow ausy, I guess it 1067 00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:09.800 pays to have friends, right, Yeah, because you talk about 1068 00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:12.599 a career that has never stopped. 1069 00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:16.039 I know, and it's been very varied, right. I mean 1070 00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:18.039 that's the thing I'd forgotten about her in this. But 1071 00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:20.280 then the thing I think I first remembered her from 1072 00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:21.360 was Get Him to the Greek. 1073 00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:24.639 Oh gosh, okay, see I haven't even seen that. 1074 00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:27.159 Because she plays this sort of like pop star in it, 1075 00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:31.159 and she's really funny and kind of, you know, not ditzy, 1076 00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:35.280 but you know, goofy, and so I was like, oh, 1077 00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:37.519 she's really hilarious. And then of course Bride'smaids and all 1078 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.840 these sorts of things and then now she's on that 1079 00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:43.559 show Platonic Oh right right, it was seth Rogen and 1080 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:44.440 that is a. 1081 00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:46.559 Real showcase for her because she gets to do it all. 1082 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:51.519 She gets to be funny, she gets to be hurt, sad, angry, 1083 00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:54.840 and you're like, wow, she she can do anything, you know. 1084 00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:57.800 And then of course you know she got to do 1085 00:58:58.360 --> 00:58:59.239 if I had legs, I'd. 1086 00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:02.960 Kick you, and was getting all that awards recognition for 1087 00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:10.519 a nomination for the drama you know. Yeah, she's amazing career. See. 1088 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:15.559 I love the the fact that Achilles is, you know, 1089 00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:22.119 he he has to fight on behalf of Agamemnon, and 1090 00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:26.679 yet he carries that contempt like Agamemnon is nothing without me, 1091 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:29.360 mm hmm. And I just think it makes for such 1092 00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:33.199 an interesting dynamic because you you you know, I love 1093 00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:36.800 when when you have a scene like this right where 1094 00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:41.599 the violence is in the words you know, and in 1095 00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:47.519 the performance. The only the only downside to me is 1096 00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:52.039 you almost wish there was a payoff where where Agamemnon 1097 00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:53.679 gets his up and from Achilles. 1098 00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:57.159 Yes, yes, if you could change the story a little bit. 1099 00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:03.599 Yeah. Now, now, interestingly, both Agamemnon and menilaeis they survive 1100 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.519 the events of this story, right that, like, like this 1101 01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:10.039 is the thing. I mean that they the Hollywood, you know, 1102 01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:14.039 feels compelled to create a happy ending. But I mean, 1103 01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:20.920 Troy is sacked, the city falls, everyone dies, Yeah, Helen 1104 01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:25.280 is returned to Troy, and at least in so far 1105 01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:29.960 as the Trojan War, Agamemnon and Menilais are victorious, that 1106 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:31.679 doesn't really make for a compelling story. 1107 01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:35.199 You know, it's funny because I guess the director's cut 1108 01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:39.800 the sacking of Troy is extra. Oh my gosh, it's 1109 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:44.440 it's horrific. It's it's horrifying. Yeah, yeah, like babies being 1110 01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:47.719 thrown and stuff. And I was like, and I was 1111 01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:48.719 looking at the time. 1112 01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:50.360 Wait, but women being assaulted. 1113 01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:52.800 Yeah yeah, And I saw that this was basically the 1114 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:54.599 end of the film, and I was like, ah, but 1115 01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:56.639 I feel terrible, Like is this. 1116 01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:59.920 Really is how this is gonna end? But yeah, well, 1117 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:01.960 and and you know this is this is part of 1118 01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:05.320 you know. I like by the way he calls him 1119 01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:08.159 a sack of wine, it's just such a such a 1120 01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:16.159 great insult sec of wine. I think that when when 1121 01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:20.480 you look at the events of the Odyssey, at least 1122 01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:26.159 part of it is Poseidon wanting vengeance on you know, 1123 01:01:26.239 --> 01:01:29.320 the people who did that to Troy, right, Like see 1124 01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:31.639 that that's the interesting thing, right when we take the 1125 01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:34.159 when we take the gods out of it. You know, 1126 01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:38.639 you can almost make this work, right, this story, but 1127 01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:42.639 you can't make the Odyssey work at all, right, because 1128 01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:51.480 the Odyssey is a pure fantasy story. Yeah, So this 1129 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:55.199 is where Brian Cox kept talking about, like, man, Brad 1130 01:01:55.320 --> 01:02:00.760 just came out and you know, the sack of Wine. 1131 01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:05.599 It was interesting Brad pitt. I was reading that this 1132 01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:12.079 was his fourth highest grossing film worldwide, and so I 1133 01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:15.360 was looking at what those movies were and it's this 1134 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:18.320 f one World War Z and Mister and Missus Smith, 1135 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:20.880 which I was like, that's so interesting because he's one 1136 01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:24.079 of the most famous people in the world, but he 1137 01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:28.000 doesn't necessarily have these like hugely profitable hits. 1138 01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:30.840 Yeah. 1139 01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:32.679 By the way, I don't there's a little bit of 1140 01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:35.000 construction happening next door to me. I don't know if 1141 01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:37.440 that's bleeding through into this. I apologize, and just a 1142 01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:42.159 little explanation for any weird sounds happening around me. You know, 1143 01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:44.079 it sounds like it sounds like when Sam Neil's trying 1144 01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:46.679 to do that call to the dinosaurs when he's in 1145 01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:51.559 the tree tops. So if anyone's hearing it, apologies anyway, Sorry, 1146 01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:52.119 go ahead, Zechi. 1147 01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:57.199 What was I saying? Oh? Yeah. With Brad Pitt, I 1148 01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:00.000 feel like he had a moment upon making this movie 1149 01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:06.119 be similar to George Clooney after Batman and Robin, where 1150 01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:08.960 it's like, you know, I don't need to make these movies. 1151 01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:12.599 I'm good, Like, I'm just gonna make stuff that is 1152 01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:13.360 interesting to me. 1153 01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:16.199 I know I can get the things I'm interested and made. 1154 01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:21.559 Yeah. Yeah, And well you see that in you know, 1155 01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:24.599 for example, something like The Big Short where he has 1156 01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:28.519 a secondary role and it's it's not flashy, but it's 1157 01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:32.079 it's a fun character part. And you can tell that 1158 01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:37.360 that's much more where his muse lies, you know, totally. Yeah, 1159 01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:38.039 that's interesting. 1160 01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:48.840 Oh Paris, it is like infuriating watching this room full 1161 01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:53.119 of men decide how many It's like, well, I guess 1162 01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:58.119 we can let hundreds of people die. 1163 01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:02.559 Well when Paris stands and he's like, fine, I'll challenge menlause. 1164 01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:05.840 On one hand, you're like, well, you freaking idiot, right right, 1165 01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:09.039 right right, that's the one honorable thing you've done in 1166 01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:13.559 this whole movie. But you're such a affing moron because 1167 01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:17.599 because I mean, just just look at Menilouse. He'll obliterate him, right, 1168 01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:21.000 I mean, you know, the battles ending before it even starts, 1169 01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:22.400 you know, right, right. 1170 01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:25.440 Yeah, but yeah, no, that's a good point. At least 1171 01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:35.199 he's attempting to do something honorable, just something I had read, 1172 01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:36.480 speaking of taking the. 1173 01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:37.599 Gods out of the story. 1174 01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:41.199 They approached Terry Gilliam to direct this at some point, 1175 01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:44.000 which I can kind of see, and he was like, 1176 01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:47.400 I don't understand how you even do this story without 1177 01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:49.440 the gods in it, and so he just immediately turned 1178 01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:49.760 it down. 1179 01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:55.880 Yeah. Well, like, I mean, I think he's right, and 1180 01:04:55.920 --> 01:05:01.119 that also suits his storytelling. He's more whimsical, we e 1181 01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:06.320 Zach roach. Yeah, it's interesting because I was gonna say, 1182 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:08.760 I mean, it's not like Wolfgang Peterson has not done fantasy. 1183 01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:11.519 He did the Never Ending Story, that's true, right, So 1184 01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:15.039 certainly that was in his tool chest, but I think 1185 01:05:15.079 --> 01:05:19.079 by and large he was better known for stuff that 1186 01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:21.440 is a bit more grounded. He I mean, we've ended 1187 01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:24.480 up doing many Wolfgang Peterson films, right, just sort of 1188 01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:28.559 by chance. Yeah. Yeah, in the Line of Fire, Air 1189 01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:32.599 Force one Outbreak now, Troy, Yeah, we got to do 1190 01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:33.760 Doss Boot at some point. 1191 01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:36.480 I've never seen dos Boot, and that's the thing everyone 1192 01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:37.480 always brings up with him. 1193 01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:39.000 That's a good movie. Yeah. 1194 01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:42.039 I did see Enemy Mine not long ago. I talked 1195 01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:44.000 about it here on the show, and I really loved it. 1196 01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:44.960 That's a good movie. 1197 01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:49.880 Yeah, talk about like yes, like how you mentioned his 1198 01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:52.280 toolbox and it's just like it's all over the place. 1199 01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:55.920 But Enemy Mine feels like a real combination of all 1200 01:05:55.960 --> 01:05:58.199 of it. A little bit of fantasy, a little bit 1201 01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:00.280 of heart, a little bit of space, a little. 1202 01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:03.800 A music venture, very similitude, right, definitely. Yeah, So I 1203 01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:05.079 think that's what really sells it. 1204 01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:08.320 And something that I've always found interesting about the never 1205 01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:11.800 Ending Story, which I loved as a kid, is the 1206 01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:16.000 fact that it he made it, and when they decided 1207 01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:20.199 to release it in America, apparently Steven Spielberg put his 1208 01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:23.360 hands on it and retooled it a little bit to 1209 01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:27.079 make it more palatable to American audiences. So which makes 1210 01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:28.880 me wonder what the original version was like. 1211 01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:32.039 In the original version, the horse takes thirty seven minutes 1212 01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:38.039 to die. Yeah, right, it's just our text art texts just. 1213 01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:39.960 Like, which were people who don't know what Zach He's 1214 01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:42.480 talking about children of the eighties. That is like one 1215 01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:47.039 of the major cultural traumas for us, that horse dying 1216 01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:49.519 in the swamp of sadness art texts. 1217 01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:52.559 It's it's just thirty seven minutes of that text. 1218 01:06:53.679 --> 01:07:01.320 Yeah, and Spielberg's just like shaking, he said no, and 1219 01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:09.800 Peters is like, what, It's great though, So. 1220 01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:15.280 I wanted to mention Saffron Burrows as Andrew Macky. She 1221 01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:22.800 she gives that character such like sadness, and and for me, like, 1222 01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:25.039 I think, I think one of the smarter choices is 1223 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:28.159 we see so much of the battle between Hector and 1224 01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:32.239 Achilles playoff of her, you know. And this is where 1225 01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:36.559 again it's like yeah, right, like I mean just the 1226 01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:40.599 the realization of what's happening, you know, yep. But I mean, like, 1227 01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:43.400 by and large, I think I think the female characters 1228 01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:45.440 are well served in this film. I was thinking about that. 1229 01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:49.920 I was like, presais Helen, and Andrew Macky, They're all 1230 01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:56.719 good characters. They're not just arm candy or eye candy. Yeah. 1231 01:07:56.840 --> 01:08:01.039 And I'm also it makes me appreciate their performances. Two, 1232 01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:04.880 just seeing how much these these actors bring to them 1233 01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:08.519 and make them feel like dimensional characters, and they're all 1234 01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:13.719 good actors, right, yes, yeah, Dan Krueger, of course, you 1235 01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:15.639 know I think of her. When I think of her, 1236 01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:19.760 I think of inglorious bastards. Yes, how amazing she is 1237 01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:20.000 in that? 1238 01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:27.079 Did you mention how you encountered her? Uh no, I'm 1239 01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:30.039 trying to remember. Actually, I'm sort of blinking. Do you remember. Yeah, 1240 01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:33.600 well it was with regards to was it called Shutter? 1241 01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:37.319 Oh that was Rachel Taylor? 1242 01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:39.720 No, no, no, sorry. Wasn't there a movie you're involved 1243 01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:40.760 in the Joshua Jackson? 1244 01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:44.720 Yes, oh oh oh, yes, which okay, I'm sorry. Yes, 1245 01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:48.439 he worked on Shutter, and I may I did actually 1246 01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:51.560 have to go into his house while no one was there, yeah, 1247 01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:54.840 which is very weird and so and I was like 1248 01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:56.359 out of gas and they lived on the top. 1249 01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:59.199 I remember you telling me you saw Dan Krueger like 1250 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:02.840 in real life, and just she was just stunningly beautiful. 1251 01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:06.479 I must have lived a very charming life, because I'm 1252 01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:08.359 having a hard time. I believe it, and I'm just 1253 01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:13.159 having a hard time remembering it. But yes, I did 1254 01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:14.960 encounter him a couple of times, and he may. 1255 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:17.199 She may have been with him. They were dating at 1256 01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:20.560 the time, yes, yes, but yeah, but yeah. 1257 01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:22.039 The story I always think of is I was out 1258 01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:23.600 of gas up at their house and then I saw 1259 01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:25.520 a gas cannon. I was hoping they weren't any cameras, 1260 01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:26.960 and I went and I took his gas and took 1261 01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:30.079 the car. I was like, I gotta get home. 1262 01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:36.520 Man. Would be funny, is if there's a whole separate 1263 01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:41.279 story about how Joshua Jackson needed gas founding on that gas, 1264 01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:44.199 Like there's a whole ordeal he went through that you 1265 01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:46.880 have no idea about. He almost played Bruce Wayne and 1266 01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:49.239 Batman begins, but he didn't make it to the audition 1267 01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:52.239 because he's like. 1268 01:09:52.359 --> 01:09:55.159 Diane, I swear I filled this thing with gas. 1269 01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:58.199 His car is going up the hill and then it 1270 01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:02.000 just rolls backwards in a. 1271 01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:05.119 And it rolls right to like a cop who's like, 1272 01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:07.520 you know, it gives him a ticket, you know, like 1273 01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:10.760 you're allowed to go backwards here, you know, like just 1274 01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:15.800 a series of unfortunate events. Joshua Jackson's no good, very 1275 01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:17.960 bad day and that night on. 1276 01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:20.680 The news, so Christian Bale has signed on to play 1277 01:10:20.720 --> 01:10:25.279 back and in lighter News, Joshua Jackson keeps going backwards 1278 01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:31.239 in the wrong and you're just watching that eating a burger. 1279 01:10:31.279 --> 01:10:34.720 You have no idea, like the I just flipped the channel. 1280 01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:36.560 I don't even listen to the rest of the story. 1281 01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:45.439 You mute. Oh my gosh. 1282 01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:48.239 He's a nice guy too, though, by the way, Joshua Jackson, Yeah, 1283 01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:48.920 very friendly. 1284 01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:50.560 See he seems like a cool guy. 1285 01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:55.279 Yeah, you know, I mean for starting as a child actor. 1286 01:10:56.079 --> 01:11:00.680 You know, sometimes those people can get a little uh 1287 01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:04.640 you know, they even had bad experiences the supply exactly, like, yeah, 1288 01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:08.000 they're either bad experiences or yes, they don't live in 1289 01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:10.600 the real world, so to speak. And yeah, he's a 1290 01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:11.800 very charming, nice guy. 1291 01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:15.359 Well, I think that for him, And this is important 1292 01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:19.920 in our Troy commentary talking about Joshua Jackson. But yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah, 1293 01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:22.279 I think I think he's seen enough ups and downs 1294 01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:25.600 during this long career and the fact, right, I think 1295 01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:28.319 the fact that he's kept working is proof enough that 1296 01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:30.479 he's probably a pretty chill guy, you know what I mean, 1297 01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:33.520 totally because at some point people don't need to give 1298 01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:33.960 you work. 1299 01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:39.279 Yeah, right, right, that's a good point again, man, the 1300 01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:41.000 power of being actually outside. 1301 01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:44.000 Look at them on this balcony here, it's fantastic, you know. 1302 01:11:44.199 --> 01:11:47.520 And the drama. Yeah, you know, like I really sense 1303 01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:49.520 her being up high looking down on all of this. 1304 01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:57.159 You know, men are about to be slaughtered because of her, right, Yeah, 1305 01:11:57.199 --> 01:11:59.279 And I just think that really it's not to keep 1306 01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:01.359 picking on it, but just that flat lighting and the 1307 01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:05.600 Maana trailer I'm seeing where they just feel but here 1308 01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:08.079 look at them with the harsh light on their faces, 1309 01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:11.199 like the wind blowing their hair, and it's like this 1310 01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:15.479 real ominous right feeling of what's what's ahead. It just 1311 01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:20.920 adds that extra touch, you know, it's that's actually a 1312 01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:26.600 sweet moment there Helen looking at Paris, you know, and yeah, 1313 01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:27.119 sort of. 1314 01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:31.680 And she gives them This is the problem is that 1315 01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:39.159 we need to buy that she loves him, yes, for real? Right, 1316 01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:43.600 And I don't know that the movie ever fully licks that, like, yeah, 1317 01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:48.079 you know, it feels like, well, that's what sort of 1318 01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:56.399 the story requires. Yeah, you know, I wonder if maybe 1319 01:12:56.399 --> 01:12:58.560 making him not so much of a pussy would have 1320 01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:00.960 been helpful in that way, you. 1321 01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:05.720 Know, yeah, or some scene with them together where we 1322 01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:07.600 really get a sense that this is. 1323 01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:10.399 For real, Well, we do get that in the in 1324 01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:13.520 the director's cut. I would say, like, we believe that 1325 01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:14.520 he does love her. 1326 01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:16.800 Yeah, no, I'm with you. 1327 01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:19.960 I'm with you. I do believe it. Yeah, but I yeah, 1328 01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:24.880 I I don't know. I wouldn't. It's tough, I think fundamentally, 1329 01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:29.399 the I mean, there's a reason that generally speaking, you 1330 01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:32.039 watch this movie and you're like frea com Paris. 1331 01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:36.000 You know, I know, yeah, yeah, but maybe that's important. Yeah, 1332 01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:38.479 because this is stupid, you know what I mean, this 1333 01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:39.359 shouldn't be happening. 1334 01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:42.399 Well again, I just love that Eric Banacoti so well. 1335 01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:44.199 I knew I didn't want to play Paris for sure. 1336 01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:47.720 I was not gonna do it. Yeah, yeah, that's very funny. 1337 01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:50.520 But I like that moment where she's kind of standing 1338 01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:54.319 there on the balcony like, oh man, oh like I 1339 01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:55.000 caused this. 1340 01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:55.560 Yeah. 1341 01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:58.880 But then Peter O'Toole is like sit with me. Yeah, 1342 01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:01.560 you know what I mean, Like, wow, that is very warm. 1343 01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:03.600 She's family now. 1344 01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:08.960 Yeah. The fact that King Priam never once expresses anger 1345 01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:13.279 at her, for yes, you know, uh, you know, certainly 1346 01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:14.600 after what happens to Hector, you know. 1347 01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:22.119 Tells you a lot about him. And then I love 1348 01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:24.920 that shot too with the army approaching, and then you 1349 01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:29.479 get that slow push in on Peter O'Toole with a whoa, okay, 1350 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:33.800 you know sort of yeah, wide eyed, this is this 1351 01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:34.359 is not good. 1352 01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:36.000 It's kind of look on his face. 1353 01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:41.279 Yeah yeah, I mean it's almost like comical, just like ah, 1354 01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:45.920 but like it, but it works, I think, yeah, No, 1355 01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:51.000 you're right, you know, I gotta say too. 1356 01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:51.439 I mean we. 1357 01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:56.079 Sometimes get down on CG stuff from time to time, 1358 01:14:56.119 --> 01:15:00.119 but like, obviously all those people aren't there, right, I 1359 01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:03.640 think it's really effective. I think they knew how many 1360 01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:06.279 real people to put there to make my brain believe it, 1361 01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:09.399 and then where to start the extensions and make it 1362 01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:11.279 feel like a crazy, massive crowd. 1363 01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:16.800 A really great job. Well, I think, right, like this 1364 01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:20.520 is very much the Lord of the Rings totally approach, 1365 01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:24.319 right where, totally where. I think the reason those films 1366 01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:28.439 have held up pretty well is because Peter Jackson knew 1367 01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:34.159 when to rely on actual physical people or sets and whatnot, 1368 01:15:34.199 --> 01:15:35.439 and then when to extend it. 1369 01:15:38.359 --> 01:15:40.920 Yeah, like what you said earlier with this movie, like 1370 01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:44.399 building real walls when that will sell the scene, and 1371 01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:45.960 there are certain walls you don't need to build. 1372 01:15:46.199 --> 01:15:56.319 That's right. Yeah, valiant, ill advised, but valiant. Yeah. Brian 1373 01:15:56.359 --> 01:15:59.079 Cox making a meal of this movie, you know, yeah, 1374 01:15:59.319 --> 01:15:59.800 kind of makes me. 1375 01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:03.960 I've not seen Succession, but I just feel like it'd 1376 01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:06.840 be fun to watch him coxing it up. Yeah. 1377 01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:10.000 Yeah, well my brother loves that show. Yeah, you know, 1378 01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:15.000 I've been. I watched the first episode or so or so, 1379 01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:17.439 and I did like it, but I was like, God, 1380 01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:18.920 these people are vile. 1381 01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:21.560 That's what's kept me from it. I thought I might 1382 01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:25.000 just get so I clench my fist when I watch 1383 01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:27.720 shows like that with awful people being awful, and I 1384 01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:30.079 thought I might not be able to enjoy it. 1385 01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:34.520 Yeah. That so it is one of those shows I 1386 01:16:34.520 --> 01:16:38.840 do want to watch at some point. Yeah. I think 1387 01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:41.560 it's hilarious. How many times Brian Cox just takes the 1388 01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:46.439 piss out of Jeremy Strong. Oh sure, sure, for being like, 1389 01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:51.119 you know, a character actor's character actor like method, you know, 1390 01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:53.359 yeah yeah yeah, and he's like, come on, dude, to 1391 01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:56.479 show up and do the lines, you know, right, right right, 1392 01:16:56.600 --> 01:17:01.920 Like that's very Olivier. Right. Famously, when uh, when they 1393 01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:06.920 were making Marathon Man Dennis Dustin Hoffman and Lawrence Olivier 1394 01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:10.640 and and Hoffman. This is this is a story which 1395 01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:13.520 is maybe apocryphal, but Haffin's like, you know, his character 1396 01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:16.600 is ragged and and and gone without sleep. So for 1397 01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:18.800 three days he didn't sleep and he's just you know, 1398 01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:21.119 so exhausted in order to play the role. And Olivia 1399 01:17:21.159 --> 01:17:32.279 is like, well, if you tried just acting right right? Yeah, 1400 01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:34.800 I think, you know, I think I think. I mean, 1401 01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:39.119 you have this this class of like English actors who 1402 01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:43.319 that's you know, their stage bred, you know, so it's 1403 01:17:43.399 --> 01:17:45.920 kind of like you just you just you perform it 1404 01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:49.800 and then when it's done, you could you switch it off, 1405 01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:53.000 you know, right, And that's that's very different from from 1406 01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:53.840 the method. You know. 1407 01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:59.319 Yeah, I do like that basically. 1408 01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:00.840 You know. 1409 01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:02.960 He's like, well, we're gonna we're gonna do this anyway, 1410 01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:05.039 you know, We're going to take them. 1411 01:18:05.319 --> 01:18:08.039 Yeah. Well I think this is interesting, right because because 1412 01:18:09.039 --> 01:18:16.119 in in the in the poem, ah Aphrodite intervenes and 1413 01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:17.119 saves Paris. 1414 01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:21.920 Oh right, wow, okay, I didn't realize that there are 1415 01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:22.960 like major changes. 1416 01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:28.000 Yeah, So so Aphrodite saves Paris. At that point, Helen 1417 01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:33.399 realizes maybe she doesn't like Paris so much. M hmmm, 1418 01:18:33.680 --> 01:18:37.680 because so Aphrodite has has taken on a protective role 1419 01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:41.319 when it comes to Paris, and so uh that you 1420 01:18:41.399 --> 01:18:44.439 remove her from the from the story, and so that 1421 01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:48.159 changes the dynamics of how things go. So so again, 1422 01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:50.960 Menelaus doesn't die in the in the story, but in 1423 01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:54.920 this you have Hector intervene in Menolause. It's just you know, 1424 01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:56.840 it's again, it's like you move one piece and then 1425 01:18:56.840 --> 01:19:00.720 everything else changes, you know. Interesting. Yeah, m. 1426 01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:08.439 I didn't even think about David Benioff, you know, this 1427 01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:10.840 kind of leading him into this sort. 1428 01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:12.680 Of Yeah, I don't know if you want to call 1429 01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:18.439 it medieval, but like Swords and Armor world, because that 1430 01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:22.279 means the Game of Thrones is what like twenty twenty 1431 01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:26.199 eleven something like that, Right, you're exactly right. Yeah, it 1432 01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:28.640 was twenty eleven, so I mean, gosh, less than ten 1433 01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:29.479 years later. You know. 1434 01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:31.720 Wow, how I didn't know he wrote twenty fifth Hour. 1435 01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:33.319 I'm looking at his stuff now. 1436 01:19:33.359 --> 01:19:36.600 Oh, I didn't know that either. Actually, what else X 1437 01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:37.920 Men Origins Wolverine? 1438 01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:41.000 I'd stay, Holy crap, that's literally the first movie I 1439 01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:45.000 ever worked on. Wow, which nobody knows. There you go, Yeah, 1440 01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:49.600 that's Ryan Gosling and Naomi Watts. You McGregor, Mark Forster 1441 01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:52.159 directed nobody movie. 1442 01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:54.960 Somehow the movie Troy represents like the nexus of all 1443 01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:59.600 of the various interactions you've had in Hollywood. 1444 01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:03.279 Strangely does it's kind of. 1445 01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:04.600 This shot right here, look at that. That's just a 1446 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:10.079 great POV. You you you put the the the helmet 1447 01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:15.119 slightly in frame so it looks like you know, I mean, 1448 01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:16.920 it's it's just it's simple. You just you have a 1449 01:20:16.920 --> 01:20:18.920 little bit of the nose guard in front of the camera. 1450 01:20:19.119 --> 01:20:22.920 You have you have mental house hitting the camera. It's 1451 01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:26.680 just great. It's just a clever little, you know, uh 1452 01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:28.800 way of putting us in in the moment. You know. 1453 01:20:29.079 --> 01:20:31.520 You know, I I gotta gotta say, like, as I 1454 01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:34.319 was watching it and I was the longer version, I 1455 01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:37.119 was thinking, like, this is a good movie, but I 1456 01:20:37.159 --> 01:20:41.239 don't know that it's like a super dynamically directed movie. Yeah, 1457 01:20:41.319 --> 01:20:45.920 like a little bit more straightforward, you know, like a 1458 01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:51.479 great TV series, Yeah than something like a Gladiator or whatever. However, 1459 01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:58.159 this fight, yes, just showing pairs being dominated like this guy, 1460 01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:03.399 like yes, put us directly into Paris's POV and seeing 1461 01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:04.680 this huge, hulking guy. 1462 01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:08.000 Just wep West obliterating. 1463 01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:10.199 Him, like yeah, it's it really made me feel like 1464 01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:14.479 how like terrified I would be and like outmatched. 1465 01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:17.439 So a couple points. First of all, he took that 1466 01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:20.399 gash on the leg, he should be one hundred percent 1467 01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:24.319 dead very shortly after. Yeah, this fight, right, think about 1468 01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:26.880 how dirty that sort is, right, I was thinking about 1469 01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:30.800 that right the other I was thinking about how earlier 1470 01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:33.800 Peter O'Toole gives him the sword. He's like, fight with 1471 01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:37.880 this sword, and I'm like, well, maybe that's the problem, right, 1472 01:21:37.920 --> 01:21:42.239 that's not the sword he's used to. No, that's true. 1473 01:21:42.439 --> 01:21:47.000 That's a good point. Look at this so pathetic. He's 1474 01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:51.239 like clinging to Hector's legs. Yeah, And so Orlando Bloom's like, 1475 01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:52.760 I don't want to do that, man, you know what 1476 01:21:53.119 --> 01:21:53.720 I get it. 1477 01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:56.479 I get if you're like the handsome guy, you know, 1478 01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:58.520 and you're you're in Pirates and you're like the cool 1479 01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:00.279 guy everybody, you know, the guy of the moment. Yeah, 1480 01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:02.720 you don't want to play this like save me. 1481 01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:04.199 Yeah. Character. 1482 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:12.119 Yeah, that's interesting. Although I will say dramatically it's great. 1483 01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:15.600 Oh it is. I mean well, I mean it really 1484 01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:19.159 it underscores Hector's heroism, right, He's like he's going to 1485 01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:27.119 protect his brother. Yeah. I think that again, Like I 1486 01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:29.640 think the movie sort of shaves some of the nuance 1487 01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:32.000 off of Mental House, because I don't think he's entirely 1488 01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:35.640 unreasonable to be like, hey, don't take my wife, you know, 1489 01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:41.039 right right, I think I think he's not quite as 1490 01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:43.479 nuanced in this film. But it's such a great performance 1491 01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:48.239 by by Brenon Gleeson, who he's such a great man. 1492 01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:51.039 I you know, we've talked before about Banshe's of ensuring 1493 01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:54.600 oh so good in that movie. He's fantastic in that, 1494 01:22:54.680 --> 01:22:54.880 you know. 1495 01:22:55.119 --> 01:23:01.359 Yeah, I guess I was reading differences between theatrical director's cut. 1496 01:23:01.439 --> 01:23:01.840 A lot of the. 1497 01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:05.079 Violence was toned down, Yeah, because yeah, I was a 1498 01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:08.319 little surprised. I mean it's like like spears through faces, 1499 01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:12.399 explosions of blood, and now I'm realizing that I have 1500 01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:15.720 not been seeing that in this version, you know. And 1501 01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:19.159 it's funny because I don't like love violence necessarily, but 1502 01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:24.520 I was kind of appreciating it because this this type 1503 01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:29.199 of war with spears and shields and swords, like it's brutal, 1504 01:23:29.359 --> 01:23:32.680 Like it's not cool, it's not pleasant, Like it's really 1505 01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:35.640 brutal and awful and something you don't want to be 1506 01:23:35.680 --> 01:23:40.800 a part of. And so seeing that extra blood and gnarliness. 1507 01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:49.159 I felt like sold it. Well yeah, yeah, well what we. 1508 01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:55.119 Saw during during this period was a de emphasis on 1509 01:23:55.239 --> 01:23:58.439 blood and gore and this type of thing. Interesting, right, 1510 01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:01.239 because because I feel like Brave Heart gets you there, 1511 01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:06.520 good lord, it's like mallets on heads and water balloons 1512 01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:11.720 of blood just block. Yeah. Yeah, but but well, I 1513 01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:14.960 mean I don't know, gladiators fairly violent, right it is, Yeah, 1514 01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:18.960 it is, but I think this was trying to get 1515 01:24:18.960 --> 01:24:22.399 some of that Lord of the Rings audience. Oh wow, 1516 01:24:22.479 --> 01:24:25.960 that's a great observation. Yeah right, Yeah, Lord of the 1517 01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:27.960 Rings is a little bit more like I mean, I mean, 1518 01:24:28.119 --> 01:24:32.359 the fights are the fights, but they're they're relatively antiseptic 1519 01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:34.760 compared to like Rave Heart, for example. 1520 01:24:35.880 --> 01:24:39.319 Yeah, I brutal for a PG thirteen, but certainly not 1521 01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:39.800 R rated. 1522 01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:44.760 Yeah yeah, but I mean, you know one thing you 1523 01:24:44.840 --> 01:24:46.279 have to say, I mean, this movie is a lot 1524 01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:49.199 sexier than than Hollywood lately. 1525 01:24:50.520 --> 01:24:52.680 Yeah, that's a good point. 1526 01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:55.920 Yeah, there's a lot more undraped flesh. 1527 01:24:56.920 --> 01:24:59.840 It's certainly in the director's cut. Yeah, I'm noticing, but 1528 01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:02.880 even in this version, well in this version too, But no, 1529 01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:04.399 that is a good point. That is a good point. 1530 01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:07.159 But I the director's cut. It's interesting because this is 1531 01:25:07.199 --> 01:25:09.159 an R rated movie. You can show whatever you want. 1532 01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:12.000 But I noticed that staging is a little different in 1533 01:25:12.039 --> 01:25:16.680 this version, like less nudity, overt nudity, I guess. 1534 01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:19.880 Yeah, see, this is fight between Ajax and Hector. I 1535 01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:22.640 really like, right again, Hector is not a demi god, 1536 01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:26.000 but he holds his own you know. 1537 01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:29.560 Yeah, yeah, I liked his advice to Paris, where he's like, just, 1538 01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:31.520 you know, keep ducking out of the way and let 1539 01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:32.800 him swing and he'll tire himself. 1540 01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:35.840 And stupid idiot didn't do that. Yeah, he kept engaging 1541 01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:39.039 with them like a freaking moron. Yeah, stupid Paris. 1542 01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:42.039 If I've learned anything from Mike Tyson's punch Out, there 1543 01:25:42.039 --> 01:25:44.840 are certain opponents you just have to keep ducking, let 1544 01:25:44.920 --> 01:25:48.079 them tire themselves out, wait till they turn purple, and 1545 01:25:48.119 --> 01:25:48.880 then punch away. 1546 01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:55.920 That's good advice. Oh man, I'm so glad I wasn't 1547 01:25:55.960 --> 01:26:00.199 alive during this time. Right. He imagined you and I 1548 01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:03.640 on the front lines, Like, what are you doing here, Zachy, 1549 01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:09.239 We were not made for these times. You would just 1550 01:26:09.279 --> 01:26:16.039 hear me going in the distance. I'm running, just running 1551 01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:17.840 from one end of the battlefield to the other. 1552 01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:36.119 I see running in circles. Oh man, that shot is amazing. 1553 01:26:36.920 --> 01:26:41.640 Look at that. I mean you feel the ferocity. Yeah, 1554 01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:43.279 just the spears and the shield. 1555 01:26:43.359 --> 01:26:46.600 It looks dangerous even for the actors, all this clash 1556 01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:47.560 of pointy things. 1557 01:26:48.800 --> 01:26:52.920 Any Sorry, what were you saying? No? I well, I 1558 01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:57.760 think in terms of the story, I love how Achilles 1559 01:26:57.800 --> 01:27:02.479 is sitting it out. You know, he's yes, he's like, 1560 01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:05.680 this isn't my fight, you know, yeah, And and you know, 1561 01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:08.239 I mean this is like the tragedy of the story 1562 01:27:08.439 --> 01:27:11.239 is if the Trojans would have taken their their w 1563 01:27:12.640 --> 01:27:17.159 and been happy with it. Mm hmm, right, the city 1564 01:27:17.199 --> 01:27:18.720 would have stood, you know. Yep. 1565 01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:22.800 Oh man, Yeah, it try to be crazy at the 1566 01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:24.359 end because I was thinking the same thing. I mean, 1567 01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:26.239 obviously I know this story, but when you see this 1568 01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:28.960 mysterious thing on the beach, my first thought was burn it. 1569 01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:33.000 And Paris even says that, but we know how it goes. 1570 01:27:33.560 --> 01:27:39.159 His one useful contribution to this whole thing. Yeah. Yeah, well, 1571 01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:41.920 and actually even earlier than that, right, because because the 1572 01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:44.720 Trojans extract a victory here and then they're like, we 1573 01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:46.800 have to push our advantage, so let's attack their boats. 1574 01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:49.600 And whatnot, right right, right right, and and you know 1575 01:27:49.720 --> 01:27:53.560 it's it's I mean, it gets to something fundamental, which 1576 01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:58.840 is that that human arrogance doesn't matter what flag you 1577 01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:03.039 stand for. Arrogance is is international. 1578 01:28:04.359 --> 01:28:06.199 Yeah, yeah, you know. 1579 01:28:06.319 --> 01:28:11.039 And and there's there's I think that by virtue. This 1580 01:28:11.039 --> 01:28:13.680 this is me looking at it from from Peterson's perspective 1581 01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:17.039 and saying, well, when you remove the gods from the story, 1582 01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:21.359 then the onus and the humiliation is put on on 1583 01:28:21.359 --> 01:28:25.520 on the men, on the people. You know, you you 1584 01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:27.560 can't pawn it off and say, oh, well this is 1585 01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:32.359 you know, Zeus did this. This is just men being 1586 01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:38.600 stupid men. And certainly that's that's more within our realm 1587 01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:39.520 of experience, you know. 1588 01:28:40.039 --> 01:28:44.119 Yeah. Yeah, my my other title a series of escalating 1589 01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:48.840 bad decisions. Yeah, I mean seriously, And it's a bummer 1590 01:28:48.920 --> 01:28:51.359 to watch, but you can also sort of shake your 1591 01:28:51.399 --> 01:28:54.920 head knowingly at it and just be like humans. 1592 01:28:54.600 --> 01:28:57.600 Yeah yeah really. 1593 01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:07.680 Or history Yeah, oh man, I was thinking of this too, 1594 01:29:07.760 --> 01:29:12.079 like what a I did, Like that where he's like, 1595 01:29:12.279 --> 01:29:14.800 you know, let them collect their dead, and it's like 1596 01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:17.479 would they let would they give us the I forget 1597 01:29:17.479 --> 01:29:17.880 what he says. 1598 01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:20.279 He says it much more poetically? Would they do the 1599 01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:22.600 same for us? Yeah? 1600 01:29:22.680 --> 01:29:25.359 I was also thinking the pire budget on this movie. 1601 01:29:26.920 --> 01:29:29.399 It's pretty high. There's a lot of pires in this movie. 1602 01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:33.439 Now, I should say, in terms of historical accuracy, I 1603 01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:35.800 think the pires are probably fine. But like putting the 1604 01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:41.239 coins on the eyes, I don't think coins existed as 1605 01:29:42.119 --> 01:29:45.760 as a currency at that time. 1606 01:29:46.039 --> 01:29:48.800 Oh interesting, I mean I know that as a thing, right, 1607 01:29:48.880 --> 01:29:49.720 like for the ferrymen. 1608 01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:53.199 Yeah, I think that came later. Oh fascinating. Okay, I 1609 01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:55.560 didn't know, right, because you're you're looking at primarily like 1610 01:29:55.600 --> 01:30:01.600 a barter based economy. Sure. Interesting, But I think the 1611 01:30:01.640 --> 01:30:07.880 the you know, the way the ritualization of the dead 1612 01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:10.800 and how that's this thing that connects these people. I 1613 01:30:10.840 --> 01:30:14.000 think that's interesting in terms of how we connect back 1614 01:30:14.039 --> 01:30:21.520 to Hector being returned to the Trojans, you know. And 1615 01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:25.039 it is one of these things where where we watch 1616 01:30:25.079 --> 01:30:26.479 it now and it's like, what are you all fighting 1617 01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:30.359 about anyway? Jeeves? You know, at least in the film, 1618 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:34.000 it's ostensibly about Helen, but it's actually about about Agamemnon 1619 01:30:34.079 --> 01:30:38.239 wanting to increase the size of his empire. And you're like, man, 1620 01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:40.079 things don't change you. 1621 01:30:40.039 --> 01:30:47.359 Know, yeah, right, it's interesting that she's like with him, yeah, 1622 01:30:47.399 --> 01:30:51.640 through and through here, you know, like she's not turned off. 1623 01:30:53.359 --> 01:30:56.520 Yeah. Well, I think that's the struggle that the film had. 1624 01:30:56.720 --> 01:31:04.359 Is that again in the story, he Parish is rescued 1625 01:31:04.359 --> 01:31:07.560 by Aphrodite and and so she's like, well this guy 1626 01:31:07.600 --> 01:31:12.800 isn't much of a guy. Uh, And so that is 1627 01:31:12.840 --> 01:31:17.479 over basically, And I think the movie needed us to 1628 01:31:17.520 --> 01:31:19.600 still care because there's still you know, an hour and 1629 01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:28.039 a half left, right right, right? Yeah? 1630 01:31:28.600 --> 01:31:31.640 Orlando Bloom interesting, interesting guy. You know he worked with 1631 01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:35.079 the excuse me, Eric Banna earlier in Black hawk Down. 1632 01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:37.680 That's right, they were in that together. I mean, this 1633 01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:41.439 really was their decade, you know. Black hawk Down was 1634 01:31:41.479 --> 01:31:45.520 that oh one? I think? Right? Yeah? Wow, that that too. 1635 01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:48.800 That was a real bumper crop of of of early 1636 01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:55.800 aughts actors, right, Ian McGregor. Who else is in that? Man, 1637 01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:58.560 it's been a minute. I'd be curious to you watched 1638 01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:00.479 the party? I feel like Tom Hardy, isn't. 1639 01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:01.640 That that feels right? 1640 01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:04.119 Yeah? Black hawk Down? 1641 01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:07.399 I just remember being really grizzly, and. 1642 01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:12.239 I've only seen it the one time, to be honest. Same, Yeah, 1643 01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:15.199 who we got? Who we got? Uh? 1644 01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:19.479 Tom Sizemore, you McGregor, Josh Hartnett, There you go, William Fickner, 1645 01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:25.359 uh reluctant President and Independence Day too. Look it up people. 1646 01:32:27.279 --> 01:32:29.359 I never said his name, right because I don't say 1647 01:32:29.359 --> 01:32:30.000 it out loud often. 1648 01:32:30.039 --> 01:32:34.479 Ian Griffad Joan Griffith. There you go. 1649 01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:45.520 Apologies to Johan mister fantastic yep, Jason Isaacs, Yeah, Ridley Scott. 1650 01:32:47.880 --> 01:32:50.560 See, this is one of the few scenes that really 1651 01:32:50.600 --> 01:32:55.439 gives us a window into Odysseus, right and and and 1652 01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:57.960 I think Odysseus is is kind of the conscience of 1653 01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:04.119 the piece. Yeah. Yeah, So it's a tough one, right 1654 01:33:04.119 --> 01:33:07.079 because because he is a tertiary character in the Iliad. 1655 01:33:07.159 --> 01:33:11.000 But I do wish we got more of him. 1656 01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:19.000 Yeah yeah, I mean, not knowing this story so well 1657 01:33:19.239 --> 01:33:21.640 and knowing about to watch the Odyssey, I did think 1658 01:33:21.680 --> 01:33:23.439 it was interesting. I'm like, oh, I'm watching part of 1659 01:33:23.439 --> 01:33:25.119 the story from a different a. 1660 01:33:25.960 --> 01:33:26.960 Yeah, that's right, you. 1661 01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:31.159 Know, so it'll be interesting then to I don't know, 1662 01:33:33.479 --> 01:33:33.880 watch that. 1663 01:33:36.199 --> 01:33:38.000 There was a there was a mini series of the 1664 01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:40.000 Odyssey which I don't know if you said, has Armanda 1665 01:33:40.039 --> 01:33:43.520 Sante as Odysseus. No, that was in the in the 1666 01:33:43.560 --> 01:33:46.079 late nineties. That was when you know, like I remember 1667 01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:47.840 Gulliver's Travels, I do. 1668 01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:51.239 Yeah, it's like an NBC thing, right, that's right, Merlin. 1669 01:33:51.399 --> 01:33:52.039 Wasn't that a thing? 1670 01:33:52.399 --> 01:33:57.840 That was another one? Yeah? So during that spell they 1671 01:33:57.920 --> 01:33:59.279 cranked out The Odyssey as well. 1672 01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:03.359 Wow, so big budget network TV movies. 1673 01:34:04.159 --> 01:34:13.680 Wow, And that was pretty good from what I remember. Yeah. Now, 1674 01:34:13.800 --> 01:34:16.880 now this this love story is kind of kind of 1675 01:34:16.880 --> 01:34:21.159 manufactured for for the but basically they took like three 1676 01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:23.479 different characters and merged them into. 1677 01:34:23.239 --> 01:34:25.880 Bresais Oh interesting, Okay. 1678 01:34:26.119 --> 01:34:34.800 Yeah, because because there's Cassandra, who is the sister of 1679 01:34:35.399 --> 01:34:40.000 Hector and Paris, who's not even in this, right, she's 1680 01:34:40.039 --> 01:34:43.000 not in this at all. So she's been cursed by 1681 01:34:43.039 --> 01:34:48.279 the gods with with foresight, right, so she has predicted 1682 01:34:48.319 --> 01:34:52.560 that the fall of Troy. That's the curse of Cassandra, right, 1683 01:34:52.640 --> 01:34:54.560 is that you know the future, but nobody listens. Right. 1684 01:34:55.960 --> 01:35:00.520 And then there's a character called chris Aus who is 1685 01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:09.279 a priestess of Apollo and right, so, so Brisius is 1686 01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:11.520 in the story, but it's but they just merged her 1687 01:35:11.920 --> 01:35:15.520 with these three other ones. M I think just for 1688 01:35:15.560 --> 01:35:18.239 this again, if if you're removing the gods. Then then 1689 01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:21.319 foresight doesn't really make sense, right, So in essence, she 1690 01:35:22.600 --> 01:35:27.399 is playing that role where like, oh, you know, try 1691 01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:34.119 trying to speak for her city and what will happen 1692 01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:37.600 to it, and without without it being explicitly for telling 1693 01:35:37.640 --> 01:35:38.079 the future. 1694 01:35:39.159 --> 01:35:41.520 And I think they do a pretty good job with 1695 01:35:41.760 --> 01:35:46.359 her being someone who comes to understand Achilles as a person, 1696 01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:51.039 a complicated person. But she also never turns on her 1697 01:35:51.079 --> 01:35:55.439 home either, like she's there's a tug of war happening 1698 01:35:55.560 --> 01:35:56.239 with her, you know. 1699 01:35:57.159 --> 01:35:59.920 Yeah, well I think Achilles is the one who goes 1700 01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:07.439 on the emotional journey. Yeah, but again it's like, well 1701 01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:08.520 it's because he looks. 1702 01:36:08.319 --> 01:36:14.359 Like that, Like it helps. I'm sure it helps. Yeah, 1703 01:36:14.399 --> 01:36:17.199 but you can sort of understand whether it's Stockholm syndrome 1704 01:36:17.279 --> 01:36:18.520 or I don't know, but like the way that she 1705 01:36:18.640 --> 01:36:21.720 falls for him, like I believe. But then when it 1706 01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:23.920 comes down to like he's going to go kill Hector 1707 01:36:23.960 --> 01:36:25.640 and she's like, that's my cousin, you psycho, you know, 1708 01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:29.439 like you know, it's not like she's like, no, I 1709 01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:31.840 love you, don't do this. It's like, hey, that's my family, idiot, 1710 01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:36.000 don't do that, right. I feel like it the balance 1711 01:36:36.039 --> 01:36:42.319 worked for tracks, and then when she gets on the horse, 1712 01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:46.760 you know, with her father or uncle or whatever, like 1713 01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:48.159 I believe that she'd be like, yeah, you know what, 1714 01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:48.920 I'm gonna go. 1715 01:36:49.640 --> 01:36:54.039 Yeah, yeah, I think in that moment, I mean, the 1716 01:36:54.079 --> 01:36:57.800 mere fact that Achilles lets her go is like the yes, 1717 01:36:58.279 --> 01:37:02.880 that's the you know, the beauty and the beast moment, 1718 01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:07.479 you know, yeah, yeah, this hideous beast Brad Pitt. 1719 01:37:08.079 --> 01:37:10.199 Yeah, but I wouldn't have bought if she was like, no, 1720 01:37:10.479 --> 01:37:11.520 I'm staying. 1721 01:37:11.600 --> 01:37:16.760 Yeah, that's right exactly. Yeah. But but the fact that 1722 01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:21.159 he lets her go is what makes her mourn when 1723 01:37:21.159 --> 01:37:25.159 he dies, right exactly. Yeah. I think this is all 1724 01:37:25.199 --> 01:37:33.359 handled really well. Yeah. See I think that, like we said, 1725 01:37:33.399 --> 01:37:36.640 like at the start of the picture, Achilles, I mean 1726 01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:41.159 he's just like shitty to a little kid, right right right, 1727 01:37:41.319 --> 01:37:42.920 It's like a man, I couldn't do this. He's like, yeah, 1728 01:37:42.920 --> 01:37:45.800 thats why nobody's gonna remember who you are, right right right, 1729 01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:47.720 and then he kicks him in the balls and rides off. 1730 01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:53.960 Yeah you know, but like, yeah, see, look at that. 1731 01:37:54.439 --> 01:37:56.159 There's a lot of a lot of nudity for a 1732 01:37:56.199 --> 01:37:56.720 movie like this. 1733 01:37:57.079 --> 01:38:01.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is stuff that streamers do now. 1734 01:38:01.680 --> 01:38:03.399 Movies don't do this as much, That's right. 1735 01:38:03.720 --> 01:38:09.840 Yeah, Brad Pitt's like, well all them chicken breasts, Yeah yeah, 1736 01:38:10.039 --> 01:38:12.319 might as well. Well I'm not hiding this. I'm not 1737 01:38:12.399 --> 01:38:18.039 hiding this. But shoot, what was I saying? Totally lost 1738 01:38:18.079 --> 01:38:20.520 my train of thought? Yeah, yeah about the boy that 1739 01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:23.359 he kicked in the balls? After he kicks the boy 1740 01:38:23.359 --> 01:38:28.079 in the balls? No, So the reason he's he's fighting, 1741 01:38:29.199 --> 01:38:32.239 you know, Odysseus is like, oh, you know, they'll they'll 1742 01:38:32.279 --> 01:38:34.119 like sing songs about you, like he's doing it for 1743 01:38:34.159 --> 01:38:38.119 the glory, for legacy. Yeah, you know. And and I 1744 01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:40.760 think that in and of itself is fascinating because like, 1745 01:38:40.920 --> 01:38:42.840 what what an empty life that is? Right? 1746 01:38:43.479 --> 01:38:45.960 Yeah, I mean that's what his mother tells him, right, 1747 01:38:45.960 --> 01:38:48.199 like you can you could have a family, and you 1748 01:38:48.239 --> 01:38:50.239 could live a very happy life, but no one will 1749 01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:52.840 know your name, or you could go to war, probably die, 1750 01:38:52.880 --> 01:38:54.960 and everyone will know who you were years from now. 1751 01:38:55.720 --> 01:38:57.920 This, I mean this, this gets to a conversation you 1752 01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:01.279 and I have had before where you know, you look 1753 01:39:01.279 --> 01:39:03.760 at just the sweep of history and whatever and you 1754 01:39:04.199 --> 01:39:05.960 kind of say, you know what, I'm glad I'm not 1755 01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:09.239 going to be mentioned in any history books. Yeah, yeah, 1756 01:39:09.319 --> 01:39:11.399 that's not something I need to worry about. 1757 01:39:12.479 --> 01:39:14.239 Yeah, for a lot of reasons, Like one, I just 1758 01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:17.439 to what end, you know, yeah, I don't care, but 1759 01:39:17.479 --> 01:39:21.199 also like and then to be twisted you know at 1760 01:39:21.199 --> 01:39:23.520 some point who knows, who knows what they would do 1761 01:39:23.560 --> 01:39:24.840 with my name eventually. 1762 01:39:25.079 --> 01:39:30.479 Well, and and just to live with that as your 1763 01:39:30.479 --> 01:39:34.399 overarching purpose, like oh, my legacy, legacy, legacy, And it's like, well, 1764 01:39:35.600 --> 01:39:39.000 you know, your your your life is your legacy at 1765 01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:41.800 the end of it, you know, and it'll if you 1766 01:39:41.880 --> 01:39:44.239 do good work, those works will outlive you. And then 1767 01:39:44.319 --> 01:39:47.359 you know, eventually that'll fade away too, because all things do, 1768 01:39:47.439 --> 01:39:51.479 and that's it. And you know there's something comforting about that, 1769 01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:54.800 I suppose. Yeah, yeah, do the best with what you 1770 01:39:54.840 --> 01:39:59.199 actually get to enjoy yourself. Yeah, you know. So so 1771 01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:03.399 I mean that we we see the emptiness and Achilles, right, 1772 01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:06.640 So I think that's where BRESAEI is sort of points 1773 01:40:06.640 --> 01:40:14.399 the way towards a life he might have had, you know. Yep. See, 1774 01:40:14.600 --> 01:40:17.520 like this is a great scene right here that that 1775 01:40:17.640 --> 01:40:23.359 humanizes Achilles because you realize, well, Odysseus is a true 1776 01:40:23.359 --> 01:40:27.239 friend to him. And Odysseus is interesting because he's like 1777 01:40:27.279 --> 01:40:32.239 the nexus between Agamemnon and Achilles, right, Achilles only in 1778 01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:35.520 the fight because Odysseus asked him to. Yeah, and we 1779 01:40:35.560 --> 01:40:37.800 see it like, well, Odysseus is not like Agamemnon. 1780 01:40:40.439 --> 01:40:42.479 Yeah, yeah, he just says it right here, of all 1781 01:40:42.520 --> 01:40:47.279 the kings, I respect you the most. 1782 01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:49.520 Right you have to serve in order to lead, you know, 1783 01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:56.600 Like I I think that, you know, just as we're 1784 01:40:56.600 --> 01:40:59.479 talking about the Odyssey, right, I think that that the 1785 01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:04.520 the events of the Odyssey are the torment Odysseus suffers 1786 01:41:04.560 --> 01:41:10.279 for his role in the sacking of Troy, which just 1787 01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:13.720 I mean, that's one thing. Watching this makes me very 1788 01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:16.960 excited to see essentially the story pick up, you know. 1789 01:41:17.279 --> 01:41:18.600 Yeah. 1790 01:41:18.720 --> 01:41:20.279 By the way, so okay, so we haven't talked about 1791 01:41:20.279 --> 01:41:26.760 Patrick Cliss at all in the story. So so a 1792 01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:30.479 lot of people say, oh, Patrick Cliss and Achilles aren't 1793 01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:32.520 cousins their lovers. 1794 01:41:32.720 --> 01:41:36.199 Okay, and from the text or something like from the 1795 01:41:36.199 --> 01:41:36.800 original story. 1796 01:41:36.920 --> 01:41:38.880 Well, see, I mean there's just so many different ways 1797 01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:41.319 of reading it because there is no one original story. Right, 1798 01:41:42.239 --> 01:41:48.800 So my understanding is, well, they are cousins, but they're equals, 1799 01:41:48.800 --> 01:41:54.960 they're buddies, So you can read into it that that 1800 01:41:55.119 --> 01:41:58.479 they're lovers. I mean, but that's like anything you know, 1801 01:41:59.560 --> 01:42:02.920 you know, like it's like, you know, oh, Steve Rogers 1802 01:42:02.960 --> 01:42:06.239 and Bucky are lovers, you know what I mean? Sure, sure, sure, 1803 01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:09.680 like like you can read into it. Yeah, but ship, 1804 01:42:10.760 --> 01:42:15.000 there's shipping going on. But my sense is that they're 1805 01:42:15.039 --> 01:42:18.079 they're just they're they're buddies. They are related. But but 1806 01:42:18.159 --> 01:42:20.520 it's not like a like, oh, you're my cousin, I 1807 01:42:20.560 --> 01:42:22.439 have to protect you type thing. It's just his buddy. 1808 01:42:22.680 --> 01:42:29.079 And so Hector when Hector uh kills Patrickless, it's just 1809 01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:33.000 he just wants revenge for his buddy who died, you know. 1810 01:42:33.039 --> 01:42:35.199 And it's it's not even so much about like, oh, 1811 01:42:35.319 --> 01:42:38.800 Hector thought he was Achilles or whatever, that that's something 1812 01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:46.600 the movie invented. Wait, what was invented that that Hector 1813 01:42:46.680 --> 01:42:48.079 thought he was fighting Achilles? 1814 01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:51.439 So what's the in the original story he knows that 1815 01:42:51.560 --> 01:42:51.760 in the. 1816 01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:55.000 Original story, Yeah, it's just Achilles is like, no, man, y'all, y'all, 1817 01:42:55.319 --> 01:42:57.640 y'all fight, I'm not fighting, and Patrick's is like, fine, 1818 01:42:57.920 --> 01:43:00.119 I'll fight, and he takes Achilles' armor. Everybody knows it's 1819 01:43:00.399 --> 01:43:06.680 it's it's Patrickless right, because because when you think about it, 1820 01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:11.359 like they met, they met on the battlefield, they met 1821 01:43:11.439 --> 01:43:14.000 and fought on the battlefield. So what does Hector need 1822 01:43:14.039 --> 01:43:17.359 to be ashamed of? M M. It doesn't matter if 1823 01:43:17.399 --> 01:43:20.520 it's if it's Patrick Less or Achilles the man squared 1824 01:43:20.600 --> 01:43:23.560 up with a sword and he fought him, right, right, 1825 01:43:23.560 --> 01:43:25.239 it's not like you know what I mean, it's not. 1826 01:43:25.840 --> 01:43:29.039 I mean that, yes, And that was what was bothering 1827 01:43:29.039 --> 01:43:31.720 me in this version. Although I think it's fine as 1828 01:43:31.760 --> 01:43:34.279 a story, but it was just annoying me that Achilles 1829 01:43:34.439 --> 01:43:37.279 was so angry at Hector, and it's like. 1830 01:43:38.880 --> 01:43:43.560 I was supposed to do like you know, so yeah. 1831 01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:46.119 And but but I think to me that was what 1832 01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:52.399 made the story so effective, was like this is all pointless, right, 1833 01:43:52.399 --> 01:43:56.399 It's just people killing and then begets begets killing, begets killing, 1834 01:43:56.439 --> 01:43:57.079 begets killing. 1835 01:43:57.119 --> 01:43:59.319 You know, it just never ends. Yeah, I mean you're 1836 01:43:59.359 --> 01:44:02.880 living in a world of war where the only glory 1837 01:44:02.960 --> 01:44:09.760 you have is conquest or killing, and and you know 1838 01:44:09.880 --> 01:44:12.199 eventually it's just a zero sum game, right, and that's 1839 01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:22.880 you know, for Achilles, his glory. The only path laid 1840 01:44:22.880 --> 01:44:25.439 out for him is to kill until he is killed. 1841 01:44:26.920 --> 01:44:29.840 So who cares about the glory, right you know. 1842 01:44:32.079 --> 01:44:36.880 But yeah, yeah, something about just the how upsetting it 1843 01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:38.640 all was kind of worked for me because I felt 1844 01:44:38.640 --> 01:44:40.479 like that just fit the theme of the movie. 1845 01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:44.279 Yeah, well I think it works in the film, but yeah, 1846 01:44:44.279 --> 01:44:46.520 definitely if you take a step back, would you're like, well. 1847 01:44:47.720 --> 01:44:52.800 Yeah, you know, it feels undercooked or just like someone 1848 01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:55.479 not thinking clearly because they just like to kill, you know. 1849 01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:59.319 Like it it's not like Patrickliss, you know, was stepping 1850 01:44:59.399 --> 01:45:04.199 up behind Hector and Hector doesn't even you know, without 1851 01:45:04.239 --> 01:45:06.520 even realizing it kills him and he was you know, 1852 01:45:06.720 --> 01:45:09.359 like it was no. This was in a battle scenario 1853 01:45:10.680 --> 01:45:14.760 and Hector one fair and square. So it's almost I 1854 01:45:14.760 --> 01:45:17.760 mean in the film, it's it's almost like Achilles is 1855 01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:21.039 more upset or equally upset that how dare you think 1856 01:45:21.039 --> 01:45:21.840 you could defeat me? 1857 01:45:22.319 --> 01:45:28.319 Mm hmm oh yeah yeah, yeah, good point. Yeah. By 1858 01:45:28.319 --> 01:45:29.199 the way, this is awesome. 1859 01:45:29.640 --> 01:45:30.159 It's great. 1860 01:45:30.399 --> 01:45:32.439 You know, it's funny when the archers were shooting those 1861 01:45:32.439 --> 01:45:36.119 flaming arrows and they were hitting the sands, like what's 1862 01:45:36.159 --> 01:45:39.359 your what's the what's the game here? You know, and 1863 01:45:39.600 --> 01:45:40.760 he got these rolling balls. 1864 01:45:40.760 --> 01:45:42.680 I was like, ah, I got it. There you go 1865 01:45:43.840 --> 01:45:44.840 but this looks. 1866 01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:48.680 Epic and it's difficult, but. 1867 01:45:48.439 --> 01:45:51.159 But I love look at the look on Hector's face, 1868 01:45:51.239 --> 01:45:55.119 right he he doesn't want this. Yeah, right, and this, 1869 01:45:55.279 --> 01:45:57.199 you know, this gets to you know, you have the priests. 1870 01:45:57.399 --> 01:45:59.159 We're like no, no, no, we gotta oh, we gotta, 1871 01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:01.159 we gotta go. We got to go after them. And 1872 01:46:01.199 --> 01:46:05.720 it's like, guys, they were gonna leave. Mm hmm, you know, 1873 01:46:08.079 --> 01:46:08.319 I know. 1874 01:46:08.479 --> 01:46:10.439 But yeah, like like we're saying, and I guess that's 1875 01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:13.079 kind of the theme. It's just it's never gonna end. 1876 01:46:15.560 --> 01:46:17.119 One thing will lead to another somehow. 1877 01:46:18.119 --> 01:46:21.079 I mean, that's the thing, right, It is like, I mean, again, 1878 01:46:21.279 --> 01:46:25.920 the events in this film are obviously made up, but again, 1879 01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:30.159 there was a Troy. There is no longer a Troy, 1880 01:46:30.920 --> 01:46:33.279 but no one knows what happened there. And isn't that 1881 01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:38.560 like the ultimate Testament? You know right right? People live, 1882 01:46:38.640 --> 01:46:42.279 people died, the city fell. We don't know anything, you know. Yeah, yeah, 1883 01:46:42.359 --> 01:46:44.880 I remember a couple of years ago I went to 1884 01:46:45.399 --> 01:46:48.760 at the at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. 1885 01:46:49.399 --> 01:46:54.760 They had an exhibit about POMPEII mm hm. And you 1886 01:46:54.760 --> 01:46:59.479 know people, people's people are frozen in ash. Yeah, their 1887 01:46:59.479 --> 01:47:03.439 bodies are preserve they're preserved in ash. And there was 1888 01:47:03.520 --> 01:47:09.960 a display of somebody somebody's remains and it said it 1889 01:47:10.079 --> 01:47:13.239 said something to the effect that we believe this was 1890 01:47:13.279 --> 01:47:17.760 an important person. And I was telling my kids, I 1891 01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:19.279 was like, but we don't know, Like, isn't that like 1892 01:47:19.319 --> 01:47:22.760 we whoever that person was, everything they achieved, it doesn't 1893 01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:26.359 matter all we're doing at this moment in time. We're 1894 01:47:26.399 --> 01:47:28.560 guessing that maybe this person was important. We don't even 1895 01:47:28.600 --> 01:47:36.000 know their name, right, you know, Yeah, anyway, sorry. 1896 01:47:35.720 --> 01:47:37.840 No, no, but it's interesting, and you think, I mean, 1897 01:47:37.840 --> 01:47:41.920 if that person wasn't a good person, like maybe if 1898 01:47:41.920 --> 01:47:44.079 someone just defended them or looked at them the wrong. 1899 01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:45.359 Way, they had that person killed. 1900 01:47:46.159 --> 01:47:48.960 And it's like that person died because they offended this 1901 01:47:49.079 --> 01:47:51.039 important person that we don't even know who the heck 1902 01:47:51.079 --> 01:47:55.800 they are now. Yeah, and it doesn't matter. Yeah, it's 1903 01:47:55.920 --> 01:47:56.399 very weird. 1904 01:47:57.800 --> 01:48:02.000 I mean that's the like, I think that's the value 1905 01:48:02.119 --> 01:48:05.239 of telling this story and doing a quote unquote grounded 1906 01:48:05.359 --> 01:48:11.640 version is it allows you to hopefully, you know, contextualize 1907 01:48:11.680 --> 01:48:13.359 it with just the sweep of human. 1908 01:48:13.119 --> 01:48:20.279 History and just yeah, see how tragic it all is. 1909 01:48:23.079 --> 01:48:27.479 Yeah, because how much blood has been spilled over land, 1910 01:48:29.000 --> 01:48:37.800 you know. Yeah, yeah, so this here, that that is 1911 01:48:37.960 --> 01:48:38.680 Brad Pitt. 1912 01:48:39.720 --> 01:48:41.720 Yeah yeah, okay, right. 1913 01:48:41.600 --> 01:48:47.279 They're very clever about that. 1914 01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:46.960 That makes sense. Yeah, but he's got the helmet on 1915 01:48:47.039 --> 01:48:49.560 so he can't exactly fully see the face. But yeah, 1916 01:48:49.600 --> 01:48:53.279 seeing Hector fight him, we as an audience believe he's 1917 01:48:53.279 --> 01:48:56.840 fighting Brad Pitt exactly. Yeah. 1918 01:48:57.279 --> 01:49:00.159 See so again, like contextually, it's like, well, what's what 1919 01:49:00.199 --> 01:49:01.600 heck you're doing wrong here? Right? 1920 01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:08.680 Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, what's he supposed to do? It's 1921 01:49:08.680 --> 01:49:18.199 shocking though that that throat cut right there. Interesting by 1922 01:49:18.239 --> 01:49:20.159 the way, too, as this scene started the day for 1923 01:49:20.279 --> 01:49:23.840 night kind of thing, just calming out the craft. Yeah, 1924 01:49:23.920 --> 01:49:30.159 kind of playing with the color, a little surreal feeling. 1925 01:49:31.439 --> 01:49:34.960 But it works, you know, yeah, totally. Oh Patrick Cliss, 1926 01:49:35.039 --> 01:49:43.319 you dumb idiot, Patrick Cliss in Paris, equally stupid. Yep. 1927 01:49:44.640 --> 01:49:46.520 It's funny too, because I mean everyone's playing this very 1928 01:49:46.560 --> 01:49:49.239 straight and horrified. But it would be kind of interesting 1929 01:49:49.279 --> 01:49:51.359 if everyone on the Hector's side, you know, kind of 1930 01:49:51.399 --> 01:50:02.439 tugged at their collars like whooo. 1931 01:49:57.560 --> 01:50:03.039 I'm holding his hand? See again, like the we're meant 1932 01:50:03.039 --> 01:50:07.239 to view this as some great tragedy and again, I'm like, 1933 01:50:07.479 --> 01:50:11.119 I don't know, dude. I think Hector was one hundred 1934 01:50:11.119 --> 01:50:13.119 percent above board here totally. 1935 01:50:13.159 --> 01:50:16.479 And also I liked, yes, that he is experiencing this 1936 01:50:16.520 --> 01:50:21.520 as a tragedy, holding the victim's hand. This is awful 1937 01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:24.119 for it. It's not like oh pity, right, you know. 1938 01:50:24.720 --> 01:50:27.520 But I like that here where Hector goes to Odysese, 1939 01:50:27.560 --> 01:50:29.880 he's like, enough for one day. Yeah, yeah, I just agree, 1940 01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:30.800 that's it, We're done. 1941 01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:32.920 It's kind of funny, isn't it looking at this shot 1942 01:50:32.960 --> 01:50:35.720 with the different soldiers from each side like yep, okay, okay, 1943 01:50:35.720 --> 01:50:38.239 excuse me, excuse me, Like war's over for the day, 1944 01:50:38.279 --> 01:50:41.439 well for the day, we'll see tomorrow, yeah, which really 1945 01:50:41.520 --> 01:50:44.520 just you know, showcases the futility of it all. 1946 01:50:45.279 --> 01:50:50.840 Yeah, but that's what he's saying, right, we were gonna leave. Yeah, 1947 01:50:50.920 --> 01:50:53.600 So I mean this all that's that's the tragedy, right, 1948 01:50:53.760 --> 01:51:00.000 is that like the Trojan elders were like, hey, we're winning, 1949 01:51:00.079 --> 01:51:03.000 let's like kill him. It's like, why don't you just 1950 01:51:03.039 --> 01:51:12.119 let him go? Yeah? You know, yeah, he's like, oh, 1951 01:51:12.560 --> 01:51:14.960 he's got to deliver the bad news. Yeah. 1952 01:51:15.119 --> 01:51:17.119 Actually, I was worried in another movie this guy would 1953 01:51:17.159 --> 01:51:19.319 get killed just for delivering I know you feel that 1954 01:51:19.439 --> 01:51:22.159 tension in delivering the bad news to a killer. 1955 01:51:22.439 --> 01:51:25.399 He's gonna do like a Bob Gun situation. Yes, yes, 1956 01:51:25.560 --> 01:51:30.600 exactly exactly. But that's like we're supposed to like Achilles, right, 1957 01:51:30.640 --> 01:51:37.520 that's the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's complicated. I can 1958 01:51:37.600 --> 01:51:44.840 change him Brian exactly exactly. Yeah. Who is this guy? 1959 01:51:45.039 --> 01:51:46.720 He's a good actor, right, he looks very familiar. 1960 01:51:46.760 --> 01:51:51.199 Yeah, he's a good actor too. That's the character's name, 1961 01:51:51.199 --> 01:51:54.800 that would help. Yeah, I'm just quickly scrolling. At some point, 1962 01:51:54.880 --> 01:51:59.720 all the Greek names just kind of blend together. That 1963 01:51:59.840 --> 01:52:06.720 a MICUs, I believe you. Yeah, no, I made that up. 1964 01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:11.800 That's not anyway. He just looks familiar, micas. I'm gonna 1965 01:52:11.840 --> 01:52:19.399 go with that decla MICUs Papadopolis. 1966 01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:25.199 That's from Webster mister Polis. 1967 01:52:27.399 --> 01:52:34.680 Uh George, mm hmm. So the characters Uteros. 1968 01:52:35.720 --> 01:52:42.000 In Uteros my favorite Nirvana album. 1969 01:52:42.199 --> 01:52:47.880 Let's see who's the Oh? I see okay? Vincent Vincent Reagan, Reagan. Yeah, 1970 01:52:48.399 --> 01:52:54.680 where have I seen him? Though? Three hundred Okay found 1971 01:52:54.680 --> 01:52:57.039 his lane the Clash of the Titans. He certainly has 1972 01:52:57.039 --> 01:52:58.039 definitely found his lane. 1973 01:52:58.199 --> 01:53:03.000 Aquaman, the Lost Kingdom. Wow, okay, yeah he's a soldier. 1974 01:53:04.600 --> 01:53:05.439 Well, good for him. 1975 01:53:05.560 --> 01:53:15.039 Yeah great, see yeah anyway, yep, kind of a dark 1976 01:53:15.079 --> 01:53:17.199 moment him strangling rose Burn there. 1977 01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:20.199 Yeah, how are we supposed to feel about that? 1978 01:53:21.359 --> 01:53:22.560 I'm going with not great. 1979 01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:24.960 Okay, just checking. There's a gut check moment. 1980 01:53:25.640 --> 01:53:28.000 Yeah, but it just shows, you know, there's there's a 1981 01:53:28.119 --> 01:53:30.880 darkness in him. 1982 01:53:31.039 --> 01:53:33.439 So Saffron Burrows, you know, before this, I think what 1983 01:53:33.520 --> 01:53:36.560 I knew her best from was a deep blue sea. 1984 01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:41.079 Whoa did not make that connection? 1985 01:53:41.199 --> 01:53:43.439 Yeah, yeah, it's just reflexively, I'm like, that's the lady 1986 01:53:43.439 --> 01:53:48.359 who made those charks smart stupid. We don't ruin everything, lady. 1987 01:53:49.760 --> 01:53:52.479 I wait, I was expecting you. You used to say, 1988 01:53:52.640 --> 01:53:59.000 way to ruin everything, ruin her? Yes, I've thought about 1989 01:53:59.000 --> 01:53:59.760 that that back. 1990 01:54:00.039 --> 01:54:06.039 Yeah. So this here where Hector is walking her through 1991 01:54:06.359 --> 01:54:10.159 like the evacuation plan. Yes, I mean, this is this 1992 01:54:10.239 --> 01:54:13.279 is him telling like, you know, if if the Trojans 1993 01:54:13.359 --> 01:54:16.000 come in, excuse me, if the Greeks come in, you know, 1994 01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:18.600 they'll throw the babies or the parapets and they'll take 1995 01:54:18.640 --> 01:54:22.680 you as a slave. Well that is what happens, right, 1996 01:54:22.720 --> 01:54:27.319 I mean, that's how Andromachi she's you know, that's how 1997 01:54:27.359 --> 01:54:31.279 she dies. So it's like horrible what happens, you know, 1998 01:54:32.720 --> 01:54:35.039 So I don't fault the film to be like, okay, 1999 01:54:35.119 --> 01:54:38.840 let's we need like we can't end that way, you know. 2000 01:54:39.159 --> 01:54:42.760 Oh interesting okay, And I'm glad, Yeah, I mean we 2001 01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:45.439 get enough horror in that moment. 2002 01:54:45.880 --> 01:54:51.880 Right, because because the the Iliad itself, like I said, 2003 01:54:51.920 --> 01:54:55.279 it's only it's like a month in this ten year 2004 01:54:55.359 --> 01:54:59.640 war and it and it it ends with the Iliad. 2005 01:54:59.680 --> 01:55:02.119 Doesn't he an end with the horse going into the 2006 01:55:02.359 --> 01:55:08.119 city walls, right, because I believe it ends with him 2007 01:55:08.199 --> 01:55:14.039 returning the remains to Priam. Oh that's where the Iliad ends, right, 2008 01:55:14.079 --> 01:55:22.319 But in the story, Achilles is dead well before the horse. Oh, 2009 01:55:22.359 --> 01:55:25.600 like he he doesn't make it into the city, right, 2010 01:55:25.680 --> 01:55:31.079 So it's it's interesting like again all the changes, right, yeah, interesting, Yeah, 2011 01:55:31.119 --> 01:55:34.920 Like Agamemnon does not go into the city, Menelaus does. 2012 01:55:35.960 --> 01:55:42.960 Menolaus is dead already obviously, But I think all this 2013 01:55:43.079 --> 01:55:47.359 build up really works, right, I Mean it's Hector knows 2014 01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:50.119 that that he's not going to make it out of 2015 01:55:50.119 --> 01:55:50.880 this fight, you know. 2016 01:55:53.640 --> 01:55:57.359 Yeah, there's a moment coming up where he kisses his baby. 2017 01:55:58.199 --> 01:56:00.920 I was like, wow, like I really felt gravity of 2018 01:56:01.840 --> 01:56:05.560 this child, will not see me, will not have a father, yeah, 2019 01:56:05.760 --> 01:56:07.119 this afternoon, you know. 2020 01:56:09.600 --> 01:56:14.960 So in the in the story, ah, it's not quite. 2021 01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:20.920 Hector isn't portrayed quite as quite as Stoic because Achilles 2022 01:56:20.960 --> 01:56:24.720 shows up and and he chases Hector around the city 2023 01:56:24.760 --> 01:56:26.680 three times before Hector finally. 2024 01:56:27.239 --> 01:56:34.760 Really that's true, that's true, and then he like yeah, no, yeah, Well. 2025 01:56:35.520 --> 01:56:38.880 What happens is that Hector is trying to hide from Achilles, 2026 01:56:39.520 --> 01:56:43.279 and then one of the gods who's like on the 2027 01:56:43.359 --> 01:56:48.159 side of the Greeks shows up and and presents himself 2028 01:56:48.239 --> 01:56:52.520 in the form of one of one of Hector's compatriots. Okay, 2029 01:56:52.880 --> 01:56:56.359 he's like, come on fighting, we'll do it together. And 2030 01:56:56.399 --> 01:56:57.960 he's like all right, fine, and he goes to fight him. 2031 01:56:57.960 --> 01:57:01.960 But it turns out like that that was just a mirage, 2032 01:57:02.039 --> 01:57:02.199 you know. 2033 01:57:02.399 --> 01:57:04.079 Oh interesting, a little different. 2034 01:57:04.359 --> 01:57:08.159 Yeah, very so. I think. I think obviously this movie 2035 01:57:08.359 --> 01:57:12.840 like they made Paris way woosier, hmm, and they made 2036 01:57:12.960 --> 01:57:16.800 Hector way stronger, fast, stronger of character. 2037 01:57:17.119 --> 01:57:19.720 So they used the story basically as a launch pad 2038 01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:22.720 and then thought, well what if we tried this and 2039 01:57:22.760 --> 01:57:24.880 well then that would lead to this, and it's. 2040 01:57:24.720 --> 01:57:27.600 Like anything, right, I mean it, it's like, that's that's 2041 01:57:27.640 --> 01:57:31.359 the old. Like how many times do we watch movies 2042 01:57:31.439 --> 01:57:34.319 that that have some source material and then they make 2043 01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:37.479 cinematic changes and then you judge the changes as either 2044 01:57:37.479 --> 01:57:40.960 good or bad. But it's an adaptation, you know, it's 2045 01:57:41.119 --> 01:57:43.239 a it's not a translation. You know. 2046 01:57:43.279 --> 01:57:45.760 It's kind of fascinating along those lines. I read that 2047 01:57:46.960 --> 01:57:48.880 in two thousand and eight Warner Brothers was looking to 2048 01:57:48.880 --> 01:57:50.239 do a science fiction version. 2049 01:57:50.279 --> 01:57:51.760 Oh yeah, the Odyssey in Space. 2050 01:57:51.960 --> 01:57:54.520 You know, it's funny. I remember that from my days 2051 01:57:54.560 --> 01:57:56.960 working at a studio Get out of here, and so 2052 01:57:57.039 --> 01:58:00.079 I was like, I completely forgot about that. Yeah, and 2053 01:58:00.119 --> 01:58:04.359 that I remember that going around. Wow, And uh, I 2054 01:58:04.399 --> 01:58:06.359 don't know why not at this point, you know, the 2055 01:58:06.439 --> 01:58:08.800 story's been told so many times, like play with it, 2056 01:58:09.760 --> 01:58:11.359 but I guess it has been played with. I mean 2057 01:58:11.439 --> 01:58:12.920 right down to oh brother where art though? 2058 01:58:13.840 --> 01:58:17.520 Yeah? Right, as if this recording still the best adaptation 2059 01:58:17.600 --> 01:58:19.199 of the Odyssey, I. 2060 01:58:19.119 --> 01:58:20.159 Need to rewatch that. 2061 01:58:20.720 --> 01:58:23.800 Maybe that changes next week. I guess we'll find out. Yeah, right, 2062 01:58:24.039 --> 01:58:32.279 right man, the dread that's right, Like that's what I 2063 01:58:32.359 --> 01:58:37.279 was admiring. You know, they really convey the sense of 2064 01:58:37.359 --> 01:58:42.760 like fate is just coiling tighter and tighter here. 2065 01:58:43.239 --> 01:58:48.399 Yeah, he's he's we can see the minutes on his clock, Yes, 2066 01:58:48.680 --> 01:58:49.359 counting down. 2067 01:58:50.800 --> 01:58:53.920 See that too, where the archers are about to unload 2068 01:58:53.960 --> 01:58:57.359 on him. He's like, no, don't. I gotta be honest. 2069 01:58:57.399 --> 01:58:58.439 I'm kind of like, I don't know. 2070 01:58:58.640 --> 01:59:00.720 Dude, I'm so glad you said that, because I thought 2071 01:59:00.760 --> 01:59:01.640 that a couple of times. 2072 01:59:03.239 --> 01:59:07.039 Would it be that bad? The dice that? 2073 01:59:07.319 --> 01:59:10.159 And then also when he leaves and you know, we 2074 01:59:10.239 --> 01:59:13.279 know things are gonna start, you know, riling up again, is. 2075 01:59:13.279 --> 01:59:17.800 Like, maybe just just just shoot him? Just like, what's 2076 01:59:17.840 --> 01:59:22.000 the worst that happens? They miss? Okay, you're no worse off. 2077 01:59:22.439 --> 01:59:24.880 I mean, is there any honor in this? Yeah? 2078 01:59:24.920 --> 01:59:27.439 You know, like you said, just doing you know, what 2079 01:59:27.520 --> 01:59:30.319 was he supposed to do? Let the other guy kill him. 2080 01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:33.279 That's right. I mean that gets to sort of the 2081 01:59:33.319 --> 01:59:35.680 ephemeral nature of how do we even define what is 2082 01:59:35.680 --> 01:59:41.119 and isn't honorable. Oh, it's more honorable if you look 2083 01:59:41.199 --> 01:59:44.159 the guy in the face as you as you stab him, 2084 01:59:44.239 --> 01:59:47.479 you know, like right right, I mean, let's take a 2085 01:59:47.479 --> 01:59:49.399 step back and say this whole thing is barbaric. 2086 01:59:49.439 --> 01:59:56.119 You know, yeah exactly, but yeah, like just the tragedy 2087 01:59:56.159 --> 01:59:59.520 of this, like he's okay, sorry, dad's. 2088 01:59:59.039 --> 02:00:03.560 He's making Yeah, yeah, but I love here where King 2089 02:00:03.640 --> 02:00:08.640 Priam is like, you know, you're the You're the You're 2090 02:00:08.680 --> 02:00:13.079 the best son I've ever had, no father's ever had, 2091 02:00:13.119 --> 02:00:22.199 and parents is like, yeah, yeah, if I could have 2092 02:00:22.279 --> 02:00:26.239 only one son, I'm so glad it's you, like you 2093 02:00:26.359 --> 02:00:30.880 have two. And hey, by the way, this actor too, 2094 02:00:30.880 --> 02:00:34.159 he's in Braveheart also, yeah, I remember him. He's he's 2095 02:00:34.199 --> 02:00:41.680 Brendan Gleason's dad. Yeah, she'd be like, well about to die, idiot? Yeah, seriously, 2096 02:00:41.920 --> 02:00:43.199 I mean moron. 2097 02:00:43.399 --> 02:00:46.680 I actually was thinking that, Like he goes out still 2098 02:00:47.840 --> 02:00:50.560 being very charitable and kind to his younger brother, who's 2099 02:00:51.000 --> 02:00:51.840 really started this whole. 2100 02:00:51.920 --> 02:00:53.680 Next time you're having sex with her, remember how I'm 2101 02:00:53.680 --> 02:00:56.319 dead because of your right, right. 2102 02:00:58.199 --> 02:01:00.159 Yeah, I mean you can imagine the cold version where 2103 02:01:00.159 --> 02:01:01.520 it's like I hope she was worth it and then 2104 02:01:01.600 --> 02:01:06.560 just walk past him. But you know him, he's actually nice, 2105 02:01:06.640 --> 02:01:09.880 I know, but I mean this is terrible. He goodbye 2106 02:01:09.920 --> 02:01:11.920 to his dad, go by to his brother, to his men, 2107 02:01:12.319 --> 02:01:14.479 now to his wife, kisses his baby goodbye. 2108 02:01:14.520 --> 02:01:18.239 It's just so it's really I know it's a lot, 2109 02:01:18.520 --> 02:01:20.520 but you know what's funny is I mean you and 2110 02:01:20.560 --> 02:01:24.319 I we were talking just last week about the unending 2111 02:01:24.399 --> 02:01:30.079 sacrifice of President Thomas J. Whitmore. Yeah, right, right, right, right, too, right, 2112 02:01:30.119 --> 02:01:33.520 And I'm like, well, this is the good version right here, totally. 2113 02:01:34.600 --> 02:01:39.279 Yeah, that's a great point, all while we have Achilles, 2114 02:01:39.479 --> 02:01:45.560 you know, like calling him out like that, his eventual 2115 02:01:45.680 --> 02:01:47.920 doom literally yelling out. 2116 02:01:47.800 --> 02:01:55.399 In the distance. Yeah. Yeah, I gotta say. 2117 02:01:55.199 --> 02:01:58.600 Though, I don't really know the details of what we're 2118 02:01:58.640 --> 02:02:00.880 missing from the director's cut, but this does move at 2119 02:02:00.880 --> 02:02:01.600 a nice clip. 2120 02:02:02.039 --> 02:02:05.159 I agree with that. Yeah, it's it's mostly little bits 2121 02:02:05.199 --> 02:02:07.920 and bobs here and there that just add character moments. 2122 02:02:08.119 --> 02:02:12.159 Mm hmm. Like I said, more brisais more Paris and 2123 02:02:12.239 --> 02:02:15.880 Helen and there's a there's a Hector and Andro Mocky 2124 02:02:15.920 --> 02:02:18.319 say like, it's it's mostly like the talking bits, you know, 2125 02:02:18.479 --> 02:02:18.840 mm hmm. 2126 02:02:20.359 --> 02:02:22.560 And not it's not the bad version of this like 2127 02:02:22.600 --> 02:02:24.520 we were talking about with Supergirl, where it feels like 2128 02:02:25.479 --> 02:02:28.439 maybe there was a test audience and they're like, oh, 2129 02:02:28.520 --> 02:02:31.000 we get bored here, or you know, we're not sure 2130 02:02:31.039 --> 02:02:33.119 we're into this scene. So they're like, well, just cut, 2131 02:02:33.199 --> 02:02:35.880 just keep cutting and make it faster, faster, faster, and 2132 02:02:35.880 --> 02:02:38.479 then it doesn't even breathe anymore. That's right, Like this 2133 02:02:38.560 --> 02:02:41.800 movie still feels like it's breathing, but it is moving. 2134 02:02:41.520 --> 02:02:44.920 With urgency, right, I agree with that. Yeah. 2135 02:02:47.039 --> 02:02:48.359 That was a great shot by the way, too with 2136 02:02:48.600 --> 02:02:51.079 Helen h you know, just sort. 2137 02:02:50.920 --> 02:02:52.840 Of the sadness in her eyes. 2138 02:02:53.560 --> 02:02:56.560 Yeah, and also like she is the beginning of this Yeah, 2139 02:02:56.600 --> 02:03:00.520 and she is gorgeous and there's a tragedy happening, and 2140 02:03:00.600 --> 02:03:03.520 just that real wide shot of her standing there looking beautiful, 2141 02:03:03.560 --> 02:03:07.359 but also there's sort of an aching to that shot. 2142 02:03:07.560 --> 02:03:11.479 Yeah. 2143 02:03:11.520 --> 02:03:14.520 And then that shot too of Achilles out there, just 2144 02:03:16.399 --> 02:03:18.640 a dot in the middle of the screen, just him. 2145 02:03:19.000 --> 02:03:22.600 It's just him. I mean, I mean Peter O'Toole may 2146 02:03:22.600 --> 02:03:25.319 have thought him a clown, but William Wolf King Peterson 2147 02:03:25.399 --> 02:03:29.119 knew his way around a shot. Yeah. Yeah, I love 2148 02:03:29.159 --> 02:03:31.640 that There's there are no pacts between lions and men. 2149 02:03:32.600 --> 02:03:37.239 That's that's like from the Iliad. Oh is it that line? 2150 02:03:37.279 --> 02:03:41.640 I think it's a great line, right, because because Hector 2151 02:03:41.720 --> 02:03:47.279 is so completely outmatched. Yeah, and it certainly it makes 2152 02:03:47.319 --> 02:03:50.279 sense if Achilles is a demi god, right, Like this 2153 02:03:50.359 --> 02:03:53.319 is this is not in any way a fair fight, right. 2154 02:03:56.920 --> 02:03:58.479 I do like that he like kind of stands up 2155 02:03:58.520 --> 02:03:59.640 for himself here a little bit. 2156 02:04:01.359 --> 02:04:03.119 He's like, what was I supposed to do? Bro? 2157 02:04:05.359 --> 02:04:07.479 I did think this was so dark where he's like, 2158 02:04:07.479 --> 02:04:10.239 I'm gonna take out your eyes and your tongue, like 2159 02:04:10.279 --> 02:04:12.079 so when you're in the underworld, you're gonna be walking 2160 02:04:12.079 --> 02:04:14.600 around deaf and dumb, you know. And I was like 2161 02:04:15.119 --> 02:04:17.680 that if you like really believe that, like that is 2162 02:04:18.600 --> 02:04:21.600 that is cold man? 2163 02:04:22.640 --> 02:04:22.800 You know. 2164 02:04:22.880 --> 02:04:24.960 By the way, watching this fight, which I think is great, 2165 02:04:25.800 --> 02:04:28.239 I'm really glad they didn't do what was very popular 2166 02:04:28.239 --> 02:04:31.560 at the time and do that shutter speed thing. Oh right, 2167 02:04:31.640 --> 02:04:35.279 like the speed ramping, yeah, or no, not the stuttery thing. 2168 02:04:35.680 --> 02:04:38.279 Oh that Saving Private Ryan did first? 2169 02:04:38.359 --> 02:04:41.199 Oh sure, And I was thinking, like Mummy returns, you 2170 02:04:41.239 --> 02:04:41.880 know at the end of that. 2171 02:04:42.319 --> 02:04:44.399 Yeah, I mean that is what it is. We talked 2172 02:04:44.399 --> 02:04:47.920 about that another day, but like you know, Saving Private 2173 02:04:47.960 --> 02:04:50.319 Irodn did it, and it was the first time I 2174 02:04:50.359 --> 02:04:53.279 had seen it, and it was effective because they used 2175 02:04:53.279 --> 02:04:55.319 it for a reason. But then I think a lot 2176 02:04:55.319 --> 02:04:57.960 of people associated that with well that's what cool action 2177 02:04:58.079 --> 02:05:00.560 looks like now because Steven Spielberg did it and in 2178 02:05:00.600 --> 02:05:03.760 saving Private Ryan, but then it just became well no, 2179 02:05:03.760 --> 02:05:07.279 now it just looks kind of jittery and obnoxious. Yeah, 2180 02:05:07.319 --> 02:05:09.760 you know, and this I can see what's going on, 2181 02:05:10.279 --> 02:05:12.760 and I appreciate that. I'm glad they didn't give into 2182 02:05:12.760 --> 02:05:13.800 the trend at the moment. 2183 02:05:14.680 --> 02:05:18.520 Well, I'm glad that both Eric bann and Brad Pitt 2184 02:05:19.439 --> 02:05:22.039 agreed to do it for real and not have stunt doubles. 2185 02:05:22.239 --> 02:05:22.560 You can. 2186 02:05:22.880 --> 02:05:26.600 It's super effective seeing their faces do this and impressive. 2187 02:05:27.560 --> 02:05:31.119 So they they made a gentleman's agreement with each other 2188 02:05:31.359 --> 02:05:36.520 that for every every serious hit they would owe the 2189 02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:40.159 other one hundred dollars, right, and for any any smaller 2190 02:05:40.239 --> 02:05:44.119 hits fifty bucks. Yep, and Brad Pitt ended up seven 2191 02:05:44.199 --> 02:05:47.640 hundred and fifty dollars poorer after all this, yep, which 2192 02:05:47.640 --> 02:05:52.079 it occurs to me. He was getting seventeen million. So like, 2193 02:05:52.520 --> 02:05:54.359 I wonder if he just went out of his way 2194 02:05:54.399 --> 02:05:57.039 to be a dick to Eric Bannet, because he's like, whatever, yeah, 2195 02:05:57.600 --> 02:06:00.720 just for fun, just for funzies. Yeah yeah. 2196 02:06:00.760 --> 02:06:04.199 And apparently Banna didn't op it anything, I. 2197 02:06:04.119 --> 02:06:07.760 Know, because because he needed the money, he would again 2198 02:06:07.840 --> 02:06:11.000 seventeen million for this, see right there when when Extor 2199 02:06:11.079 --> 02:06:13.439 falls and then and then Andrew Macky just like she 2200 02:06:13.600 --> 02:06:16.680 knows right, And it's one thing to have it in 2201 02:06:16.720 --> 02:06:18.399 your mind what's about to happen. It's another thing to 2202 02:06:18.439 --> 02:06:19.359 witness it happening. 2203 02:06:19.560 --> 02:06:21.600 Yeah, yeah, watching it like Spectators. 2204 02:06:22.600 --> 02:06:25.479 Yeah, it's horrifing. So yes. In the director's cut, all 2205 02:06:25.520 --> 02:06:28.880 of this, it unfolds with with the the elf whin 2206 02:06:28.960 --> 02:06:33.920 Planet of the Apes theme playing yes yeah, which again 2207 02:06:34.000 --> 02:06:35.720 I mean, maybe not that many people watch that movie. 2208 02:06:35.760 --> 02:06:40.039 I don't know, but I know that music pretty well. Yeah, 2209 02:06:40.079 --> 02:06:43.000 so it plays very differently with the with the Horner music. 2210 02:06:43.920 --> 02:06:44.359 I'm wishing. 2211 02:06:44.640 --> 02:06:46.680 I'm gonna watch as soon as we're done. I'm going 2212 02:06:46.720 --> 02:06:48.680 to watch this scene with because I love James Horner 2213 02:06:48.720 --> 02:06:50.800 first of all, but I want to hear the difference. 2214 02:06:51.199 --> 02:06:52.720 And I don't even know if it's better or worse. 2215 02:06:52.760 --> 02:07:02.279 It's just different, you know. Yeah, yep, O'Toole's face, I 2216 02:07:02.319 --> 02:07:03.680 know this is it. 2217 02:07:06.560 --> 02:07:07.479 He fought valiantly. 2218 02:07:08.279 --> 02:07:10.640 That's I mean. I remember watching this the first time, 2219 02:07:10.640 --> 02:07:13.079 and like I said, it's like, you know, what has 2220 02:07:13.119 --> 02:07:15.560 to happen because that's the story and it makes it. 2221 02:07:15.640 --> 02:07:18.960 They they wring all the all the drama out of it, 2222 02:07:19.000 --> 02:07:21.720 you know. Yeah. I also think the fact that Helen 2223 02:07:21.800 --> 02:07:24.760 is embracing andromakey, like there isn't that tiny part of 2224 02:07:24.760 --> 02:07:27.239 her that's like, well, thanks for nothing. 2225 02:07:27.920 --> 02:07:31.840 Yeah, I know, I know, you know, seriously, they have 2226 02:07:31.920 --> 02:07:36.560 been very welcoming to her. And this is so cold too, 2227 02:07:37.680 --> 02:07:41.159 tying up the body and dragging it behind on the chariot. 2228 02:07:41.720 --> 02:07:44.560 And then we see Peter O'Toole overcome by the vapors. 2229 02:07:45.359 --> 02:07:49.520 Oh yeah, yeah, I was thinking for him being so 2230 02:07:49.600 --> 02:07:52.239 unhappy on set. He does a really good he drops 2231 02:07:52.239 --> 02:07:55.359 and let his head, lets his head hit the hard floor. 2232 02:07:55.479 --> 02:07:56.880 Is like, yeah, he's committed. 2233 02:07:58.520 --> 02:08:02.399 That's I mean two by this stage of his career, 2234 02:08:02.479 --> 02:08:07.399 I mean he passed away and twenty thirteen, I believe, so, 2235 02:08:07.439 --> 02:08:09.520 I mean he was, he was in the twilight of 2236 02:08:09.560 --> 02:08:13.279 his career, you know, And so I think, yeah, that's 2237 02:08:13.319 --> 02:08:18.039 a poor guy, you know, he just he just faints. 2238 02:08:18.920 --> 02:08:22.359 Oh man, Pitt looking him in the eye too, dragging 2239 02:08:22.399 --> 02:08:25.079 his boy behind him. I'm no expert, but it feels 2240 02:08:25.079 --> 02:08:27.199 like dragging the corpse of a person he just killed 2241 02:08:27.199 --> 02:08:28.640 behind your your your chariot. 2242 02:08:29.000 --> 02:08:31.000 That's rude, not good sportsmanship. 2243 02:08:31.079 --> 02:08:34.079 Yeah, it seems rude to me. Yeah, well they actually 2244 02:08:34.119 --> 02:08:36.840 cut out them. Oh yeah, you're right, they cut out 2245 02:08:36.840 --> 02:08:37.319 the fainting. 2246 02:08:37.720 --> 02:08:39.199 Interesting that's the most important part. 2247 02:08:40.079 --> 02:08:44.520 Yeah, huh. 2248 02:08:44.600 --> 02:08:48.199 I think that's really important actually, And why you would 2249 02:08:48.239 --> 02:08:51.479 understand even more that he would risk going into the 2250 02:08:51.520 --> 02:08:53.600 camp to go collect his son's by Yeah. 2251 02:08:53.760 --> 02:09:00.520 Yeah, interesting, interesting, just how affected he is damn well. 2252 02:09:00.880 --> 02:09:05.560 I mean, especially because that was the one request that 2253 02:09:05.600 --> 02:09:11.000 Hector made, right that no matter who wins, we allow 2254 02:09:11.039 --> 02:09:14.399 our people to honor, you know, to do their death rituals. 2255 02:09:15.319 --> 02:09:21.119 And Achilles very so knowing that was what Hector wanted. Yeah, 2256 02:09:21.359 --> 02:09:24.039 I mean one presumes they all want that because they're warriors, 2257 02:09:24.039 --> 02:09:25.399 they get it. But I mean the fact that he 2258 02:09:25.399 --> 02:09:33.720 had articulated that and he's like, yeah, piss on your rituals, right. See. 2259 02:09:33.720 --> 02:09:37.920 I think that that the Achilles arc, right. I think 2260 02:09:38.000 --> 02:09:45.439 that's that's the what makes him complex, you know. And 2261 02:09:45.479 --> 02:09:49.039 I would think that the story the film added complexity 2262 02:09:49.079 --> 02:09:52.039 to his character. In order to make it, we have 2263 02:09:52.159 --> 02:09:57.359 to somehow be okay with what happened with the fight 2264 02:09:57.399 --> 02:10:00.640 with Hector, while still we have I have to feel 2265 02:10:01.560 --> 02:10:06.319 something when he dies, you know, So I understand the 2266 02:10:06.600 --> 02:10:10.680 mechanics I don't know if they hundred percent get us there. 2267 02:10:12.520 --> 02:10:14.880 Yeah, I'm glad you said that because I was feeling 2268 02:10:15.479 --> 02:10:18.039 I was having complicated feelings at the end of this movie, 2269 02:10:18.039 --> 02:10:20.640 thinking like, I don't am I supposed to be on 2270 02:10:20.760 --> 02:10:24.920 anyone's side here or is this just me observing you know, 2271 02:10:25.000 --> 02:10:30.479 omnitiently sort of the tragedy of humanity or something? 2272 02:10:30.520 --> 02:10:35.640 You know. Well, I think structurally we're supposed to feel 2273 02:10:35.680 --> 02:10:39.479 more for the Trojans, right, I think, right, I mean 2274 02:10:39.479 --> 02:10:42.640 I think so, yeah, because they're the ones who have 2275 02:10:42.720 --> 02:10:46.119 this inflicted upon them. However, they're the ones who started this. 2276 02:10:46.399 --> 02:10:49.279 Also, uh huh exactly, That's what I mean, right, Like 2277 02:10:49.399 --> 02:10:52.960 there is that Yeah, yeah, like they're they're all kind 2278 02:10:53.000 --> 02:10:58.399 of doing, you know, bad things, So I don't but 2279 02:10:58.399 --> 02:11:01.479 but yeah, watching the sacking of True is just horrifying. 2280 02:11:01.680 --> 02:11:03.760 It really is. So yeah, this, this, right is a 2281 02:11:03.840 --> 02:11:08.399 terrific scene. Yes, this is like you watch this and 2282 02:11:08.439 --> 02:11:10.640 you're like, yeah, Peter O'Toole hated every second of being 2283 02:11:10.640 --> 02:11:11.279 in this movie. 2284 02:11:11.439 --> 02:11:13.399 My man showed up, wouldn't wouldn't have known it? 2285 02:11:13.680 --> 02:11:14.439 Yeah. Yeah. 2286 02:11:14.479 --> 02:11:16.560 And also like the way that that Brad Pitt's playing 2287 02:11:16.640 --> 02:11:23.279 this too, where he's uncomfortable. Yeah, yeah, you know, he 2288 02:11:23.399 --> 02:11:28.359 is actually experiencing some feelings here. Yeah, compassion, I think 2289 02:11:28.399 --> 02:11:30.439 for this guy. But it's also like the way that 2290 02:11:31.520 --> 02:11:37.199 O'Toole is sort of humbling himself is very uncomfortable to Achilles. 2291 02:11:37.279 --> 02:11:40.479 Well, I mean it's sort of you know, because because 2292 02:11:41.800 --> 02:11:45.479 you know, pream mentions that he he knew his father, right, 2293 02:11:45.680 --> 02:11:49.399 but he didn't have he didn't he didn't live to 2294 02:11:49.479 --> 02:11:51.560 see what what he has seen, which is his own 2295 02:11:51.600 --> 02:12:00.920 sun dying right, that speaks to a love that Achilles 2296 02:12:00.960 --> 02:12:06.119 never had. He never had a paternal figure in his 2297 02:12:06.159 --> 02:12:10.920 life in that way, and so I think that that 2298 02:12:11.239 --> 02:12:14.439 explains his discomfort. You know, I don't know how I'm 2299 02:12:14.439 --> 02:12:16.840 supposed to to react here, you know, because you see 2300 02:12:16.840 --> 02:12:19.319 Priam was very affectionate to his sons. He embraced them, 2301 02:12:19.319 --> 02:12:24.600 he kissed them, you know, and and that that seems 2302 02:12:24.640 --> 02:12:30.560 like something that that Achilles never experienced. Yeah. I like 2303 02:12:30.640 --> 02:12:33.760 this where he's Achilles is like, he killed my cousin, 2304 02:12:34.600 --> 02:12:40.399 and he's like, well, how many cousins have you killed? Yeah, fathers, husbands, fathers. Yeah, yeah, right, 2305 02:12:40.399 --> 02:12:43.640 there's lucky, lucky enough, lucky to not live long enough 2306 02:12:43.680 --> 02:12:46.359 to his to see his son fall. Yeah right, and 2307 02:12:46.359 --> 02:12:48.680 you see the look on Achilles's face right there. You know. 2308 02:12:52.119 --> 02:12:56.520 I love where he says I loved him from the 2309 02:12:56.600 --> 02:13:00.000 moment he opened his eyes to the moment you closed them. Yeah, 2310 02:13:00.159 --> 02:13:01.680 good line. Yeah. 2311 02:13:04.880 --> 02:13:06.560 Now, I just I feel like Brad Pitt is a 2312 02:13:06.560 --> 02:13:12.800 really interesting actor. Where he's he's very you know, popular known, right, 2313 02:13:12.840 --> 02:13:14.479 But like I do feel like he has a lane 2314 02:13:15.439 --> 02:13:18.119 or a range, and when he's in that range, he 2315 02:13:18.159 --> 02:13:20.920 can be on fire. But sometimes when he's pushed, his 2316 02:13:21.039 --> 02:13:23.359 limits reveal themselves a bit. 2317 02:13:23.359 --> 02:13:23.720 Sure. 2318 02:13:24.279 --> 02:13:26.760 But I think in this scene where he's actually really 2319 02:13:26.840 --> 02:13:31.800 acting and reacting, I think he's doing a really great job. 2320 02:13:33.880 --> 02:13:35.640 Yeah. But and but to your point, I mean this 2321 02:13:36.359 --> 02:13:40.920 like he didn't do very many costume pictures, you know. Yeah, 2322 02:13:40.920 --> 02:13:43.119 that's true. Other than this, I think, right, I can't 2323 02:13:43.119 --> 02:13:45.159 think of anything off the top of my head. Yeah, 2324 02:13:46.199 --> 02:13:51.840 so this, this was sort of unexplored territory for him, 2325 02:13:51.840 --> 02:13:56.079 and so maybe that explains why he wasn't wasn't really 2326 02:13:56.119 --> 02:13:59.920 feeling it, hmm, you know. Yeah. 2327 02:14:00.159 --> 02:14:02.720 But just yeah, I just for the thing that he's 2328 02:14:02.720 --> 02:14:06.840 complaining about where this feels more like a blockbuster here's 2329 02:14:06.880 --> 02:14:10.439 the Hero movie. Then I finish back on that, I 2330 02:14:10.439 --> 02:14:13.720 would agree, and I would show him this scene, you know, 2331 02:14:16.000 --> 02:14:17.399 which I think he's doing great job in. 2332 02:14:18.800 --> 02:14:23.039 Yeah, well, I think this scene is what buys us 2333 02:14:23.319 --> 02:14:28.479 the end of the movie. Yes, Like, to whatever extent 2334 02:14:28.520 --> 02:14:31.680 we feel sad that Achilles dies, it's because of what 2335 02:14:31.680 --> 02:14:33.920 what this scene gives us, you know. 2336 02:14:34.399 --> 02:14:39.520 Yep, it's really brutal. When we see. 2337 02:14:40.840 --> 02:14:47.760 Hector's like sand covered face, blood matted hair, this too, 2338 02:14:47.800 --> 02:14:54.000 This is this is a nice moment. Yes, I would 2339 02:14:54.000 --> 02:15:02.760 have liked a greater like what what brings on the tears? Hmm? 2340 02:15:04.039 --> 02:15:04.680 You know what I mean? 2341 02:15:05.119 --> 02:15:08.239 You know, yes, I completely agree. I think I just 2342 02:15:08.840 --> 02:15:14.000 was intrigued that we saw them. I don't quite know 2343 02:15:14.039 --> 02:15:15.760 what it all is, but I like it. 2344 02:15:16.279 --> 02:15:19.600 I almost like if we started to suddenly start to 2345 02:15:19.640 --> 02:15:25.439 see him break with pre m mmmmmm, just like very subtly, 2346 02:15:25.560 --> 02:15:29.640 you know, like just you know, his his lip is 2347 02:15:29.680 --> 02:15:30.720 twitching a little, you. 2348 02:15:30.640 --> 02:15:33.640 Know, which would make him uncomfortable and maybe make him 2349 02:15:33.720 --> 02:15:34.239 leave the tent. 2350 02:15:34.560 --> 02:15:42.800 Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, his son was the best 2351 02:15:42.800 --> 02:15:46.439 I fought and I killed his ass. Anyway, here's his 2352 02:15:46.479 --> 02:15:49.439 body see him twelve days. 2353 02:15:50.479 --> 02:15:51.119 You know what's funny? 2354 02:15:51.119 --> 02:15:51.479 This is? 2355 02:15:52.399 --> 02:15:55.439 I'm really loving this even on silent Yeah, and I'm 2356 02:15:55.439 --> 02:15:59.600 thinking I remember, as I was watching this again, the 2357 02:15:59.640 --> 02:16:03.079 extent version, the first half, I was feeling like some 2358 02:16:03.119 --> 02:16:06.000 of this feels like, you know, like it's it's good, 2359 02:16:06.079 --> 02:16:08.640 but I'm not like really in it. And it's the 2360 02:16:08.680 --> 02:16:11.000 second half where I was like, oh man, this movie 2361 02:16:11.119 --> 02:16:11.680 is really good. 2362 02:16:12.079 --> 02:16:12.439 Yeah. 2363 02:16:12.600 --> 02:16:16.159 Yeah, And again for fans of this movie, I think 2364 02:16:16.199 --> 02:16:18.399 the director's cut is worth watching to get the extra 2365 02:16:18.439 --> 02:16:22.600 stuff in, the extra texture. But I do kind of 2366 02:16:22.640 --> 02:16:24.600 like this Titaned version, and I do feel like it's 2367 02:16:24.640 --> 02:16:25.920 second half is pretty strong. 2368 02:16:29.720 --> 02:16:34.760 Yeah, and it's well that itself is fascinating because like 2369 02:16:34.799 --> 02:16:37.479 we've lost one of our leads and we've still got 2370 02:16:37.559 --> 02:16:41.239 you know, a half hour to go. Yeah yeah, you know, 2371 02:16:41.360 --> 02:16:44.799 basically with forty minutes left, we lose one of the 2372 02:16:44.799 --> 02:16:52.239 centers of gravity. Yeah. So that's like the necklace that 2373 02:16:52.360 --> 02:16:58.000 his mother gave him. Yeah, I think it is interesting, right, like, like, 2374 02:16:59.600 --> 02:17:04.600 you know, it's like a sop to the fact that 2375 02:17:04.680 --> 02:17:10.159 he doesn't buy the religious stuff m but she does. 2376 02:17:10.360 --> 02:17:12.440 So he's like respecting her beliefs, you know. 2377 02:17:13.040 --> 02:17:18.280 Yeah, yeah, because he was questioning them to her face earlier. 2378 02:17:18.360 --> 02:17:20.200 Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't even think about 2379 02:17:20.239 --> 02:17:25.399 it talking back. 2380 02:17:27.799 --> 02:17:29.559 By the way, just we were talking about it a 2381 02:17:29.600 --> 02:17:32.520 minute ago, by James Horner's score, so I guess. Originally, 2382 02:17:33.040 --> 02:17:40.319 Gabrielle Jared spent over a year scoring this movie, and 2383 02:17:40.639 --> 02:17:45.360 apparently test audiences didn't react to it or it sounded 2384 02:17:45.399 --> 02:17:47.959 too old fashioned. I don't wonder what that means, like 2385 02:17:48.479 --> 02:17:53.719 too big, maybe you know, like old school been her 2386 02:17:54.440 --> 02:17:55.600 ten Commandments or something. 2387 02:17:55.639 --> 02:17:56.040 I don't know. 2388 02:17:56.040 --> 02:17:58.360 Maybe it just didn't fit the tone of this. So 2389 02:17:58.559 --> 02:18:01.000 then yeah, they got Horner to come in and he 2390 02:18:01.040 --> 02:18:04.479 did this in less than six weeks scored the movie. Yeah, 2391 02:18:04.520 --> 02:18:07.920 and but to fill in the gaps on the director's cut, 2392 02:18:08.360 --> 02:18:10.040 not only did they use Planet of the Apes, but 2393 02:18:10.079 --> 02:18:12.600 they also use stuff from Count of Monte. 2394 02:18:12.479 --> 02:18:15.120 Cristo Starship Troopers. Ye yep. 2395 02:18:15.239 --> 02:18:16.639 I was looking at the credits and I saw a 2396 02:18:16.680 --> 02:18:21.319 like bug attack. I was like, what, but kind of interesting. 2397 02:18:21.520 --> 02:18:24.600 I find this funny here where Odysseus is like, yes, 2398 02:18:25.000 --> 02:18:27.959 dude's the guy carving a horse. He's like hmm, you know, 2399 02:18:28.120 --> 02:18:32.000 because I'm just like, I think it'd be funny, like like, 2400 02:18:34.799 --> 02:18:36.959 you know, if he hears somebody being like, hey, won't 2401 02:18:37.000 --> 02:18:39.799 you crawl up that horse's ass, and he's like, crawl 2402 02:18:39.879 --> 02:18:45.200 up the horse ass, horses ass. You know, it's just 2403 02:18:45.319 --> 02:18:47.920 very arbitrary, like it would make more sense if it's 2404 02:18:47.920 --> 02:18:51.559 like he sees like something going into a shell or something, 2405 02:18:51.559 --> 02:18:54.120 you know what I mean absolutely the point isn't the 2406 02:18:54.200 --> 02:18:55.600 horse right? Right? Right? 2407 02:18:55.680 --> 02:18:58.360 Yeah, it's like a guy carving a wooden horse toy 2408 02:18:58.520 --> 02:19:01.840 for probably his boy back home. I totally agree, Like 2409 02:19:01.879 --> 02:19:04.200 seeing someone hide inside something would. 2410 02:19:04.000 --> 02:19:05.399 That would make more sense? Right? 2411 02:19:06.000 --> 02:19:08.840 But yeah, it is a total you know, fantastic for 2412 02:19:09.479 --> 02:19:11.319 we were fantastic out there today. 2413 02:19:11.639 --> 02:19:12.440 Say that again. 2414 02:19:12.639 --> 02:19:19.360 Yeah, that's exactly, That's totally what that moment is, dude. 2415 02:19:19.399 --> 02:19:22.159 But it does get to I I like, I mean, 2416 02:19:22.200 --> 02:19:26.600 the the the horse plan originates with Odyssees, which is 2417 02:19:26.600 --> 02:19:29.399 what that is part of the story. Yeah, you know 2418 02:19:29.799 --> 02:19:34.079 this is clever, you know, and so he's able to 2419 02:19:34.120 --> 02:19:36.559 think of the the these plans to outsmart you know, 2420 02:19:36.600 --> 02:19:39.399 for example, the cyclopes and and you know in the 2421 02:19:39.399 --> 02:19:41.600 Odyssey et cetera. You know, is that the plural of 2422 02:19:41.639 --> 02:19:44.799 cyclops cyclopes? Yeah? I didn't know that now, you know. 2423 02:19:45.520 --> 02:19:50.680 Impress your friends at a party. Hey, everybody, everybody listen up, 2424 02:19:51.000 --> 02:19:56.799 list everybody is you tap your everybody. 2425 02:19:58.639 --> 02:20:02.440 Imagine there's a much is cyclops in the room. 2426 02:20:02.920 --> 02:20:05.200 You wouldn't call them psyclops. 2427 02:20:05.440 --> 02:20:06.440 Yeah, you'd be wrong. 2428 02:20:08.399 --> 02:20:12.319 No, shut up, shut up. Imagine the shut up is 2429 02:20:12.399 --> 02:20:17.000 there's a Brian. I think you've had enough syclops. Hey wait, 2430 02:20:17.159 --> 02:20:28.639 hey cyclopop man oh man? Yeah, anyway, that's what it deseased. 2431 02:20:28.639 --> 02:20:34.040 Did what inspires him in the original poem? 2432 02:20:34.079 --> 02:20:37.559 Do you know or remember oh to come up with 2433 02:20:37.600 --> 02:20:39.000 the horse? Yeah? 2434 02:20:39.079 --> 02:20:40.959 Is there like an inspiration or is it just an 2435 02:20:41.000 --> 02:20:41.639 idea he has? 2436 02:20:43.559 --> 02:20:45.680 I don't expect him to crawl up a horse's ass, 2437 02:20:46.520 --> 02:20:49.200 of course. Of course, I actually don't know, but but 2438 02:20:49.319 --> 02:20:52.879 I will say so. So the Iliad ends here, m 2439 02:20:53.440 --> 02:20:56.959 it doesn't even end with the war ending, Okay, But 2440 02:20:57.079 --> 02:20:59.840 you know there are other like Homer told the Iliad 2441 02:20:59.840 --> 02:21:02.600 and the Odyssey, but there's other stories set, you know, 2442 02:21:02.680 --> 02:21:04.799 that sort of expanded out. You know, you have like 2443 02:21:04.879 --> 02:21:11.000 the the the the Odyssey EU. You know, like there's 2444 02:21:11.040 --> 02:21:12.959 a variety of stories that fill in all these gaps. 2445 02:21:12.959 --> 02:21:16.799 But the important thing is that by this point in 2446 02:21:16.840 --> 02:21:21.280 the story, Achilles is already dead. Mmmm. Oh right, so 2447 02:21:21.399 --> 02:21:27.319 Paris kills Achilles well before the horse happens. 2448 02:21:27.920 --> 02:21:31.000 Okay, right, because with an assist from the gods. I'm imagining, 2449 02:21:31.879 --> 02:21:34.879 say again, with an assist from the gods, because otherwise 2450 02:21:34.879 --> 02:21:35.600 how would he do that? 2451 02:21:37.079 --> 02:21:40.200 Well it yeah, uh the uh you know, we we 2452 02:21:40.239 --> 02:21:42.319 see the factually. That's a good question. I mean, I 2453 02:21:42.319 --> 02:21:44.200 mean it's it's we see it earlier in the film 2454 02:21:44.239 --> 02:21:46.520 with the arrows where he's shooting. He's good at shooting arrows. 2455 02:21:46.959 --> 02:21:50.440 Oh yeah, yeah, so they did show that, so so 2456 02:21:50.959 --> 02:21:53.000 oh well, yes, no, he does it. You're right, he 2457 02:21:53.040 --> 02:21:54.520 does it in this movie and I did buy it. 2458 02:21:55.360 --> 02:21:58.079 Yeah, so I don't know if I don't know if 2459 02:21:58.079 --> 02:22:01.760 it's like known that that's his weak spot though, you know, hmmm. 2460 02:22:02.799 --> 02:22:06.639 But regardless, so Achilles already dead, so that that's why 2461 02:22:06.639 --> 02:22:09.399 they come up with the horse gambit, because they don't 2462 02:22:09.440 --> 02:22:13.120 have their greatest warrior. I kind of like that. Yeah yeah, 2463 02:22:13.280 --> 02:22:16.840 I almost so so this so so Achilles is not 2464 02:22:17.559 --> 02:22:21.079 present for the sacking of Troy uh and and Agamemnon 2465 02:22:21.159 --> 02:22:25.000 is not is not there, he doesn't go into the city. 2466 02:22:26.040 --> 02:22:33.280 I can understand why they did that tweak for this telling. Yeah, 2467 02:22:33.840 --> 02:22:35.680 like you said, one of our major players is already 2468 02:22:35.719 --> 02:22:36.239 off the board. 2469 02:22:36.319 --> 02:22:41.719 So yeah, yeah, so so since the movie killed off Menelaus. 2470 02:22:41.760 --> 02:22:45.239 They give Agamemnon that because it's Menelaus. He goes into 2471 02:22:45.319 --> 02:22:54.280 the city, he reclaims Helen. What were they thinking? Yeah, 2472 02:22:54.360 --> 02:22:57.799 so here here's my thought. It's like, okay, you want 2473 02:22:57.799 --> 02:23:00.200 to bring it into the city. First of all, Oh 2474 02:23:00.239 --> 02:23:03.520 the gods. The gods will be upset if we burn it. Okay, 2475 02:23:03.680 --> 02:23:05.479 don't burn it, just leave it at the beach. 2476 02:23:06.200 --> 02:23:09.520 Yeah, like why bring it into the city, right, Although 2477 02:23:09.559 --> 02:23:12.200 I mean, I of course we critique, but I get it. 2478 02:23:12.079 --> 02:23:14.600 It is kind of a brilliant conceit. Sure it is. 2479 02:23:14.799 --> 02:23:20.680 But also, yeah, you're right, why not just like give 2480 02:23:20.719 --> 02:23:23.319 it a once over? You know? Like it? 2481 02:23:23.319 --> 02:23:27.200 It's that's what I love. I've only seen the previous 2482 02:23:27.239 --> 02:23:29.920 so far of the Odyssey, but when they're actually stabbing 2483 02:23:30.000 --> 02:23:34.040 into it and you see the swords actually nicking the 2484 02:23:34.360 --> 02:23:37.760 you know, the men's shoulders, I was like, that's that's great. 2485 02:23:37.920 --> 02:23:41.200 That that makes sense that they would test it a 2486 02:23:41.280 --> 02:23:42.159 little bit before. 2487 02:23:41.920 --> 02:23:44.040 They brought it in. That's what I'm saying, you know. 2488 02:23:45.680 --> 02:23:48.200 But I do love that Paris has his one good ideas, 2489 02:23:48.280 --> 02:23:51.600 what movie I think we should burn it? 2490 02:23:53.159 --> 02:23:56.399 Burn it? The gods will be displeased those priests. Nothing 2491 02:23:56.440 --> 02:23:57.319 but bad news man. 2492 02:23:57.440 --> 02:24:03.159 Seriously, yeah, responsible for a lot of bad outcomes. 2493 02:24:04.799 --> 02:24:08.360 This this guy. I felt bad for this guy. 2494 02:24:09.120 --> 02:24:10.879 He could have been like the hero they would have 2495 02:24:10.879 --> 02:24:13.239 told his name for for generations to come. 2496 02:24:13.280 --> 02:24:16.959 The guy he could have been Paul Revere. 2497 02:24:17.360 --> 02:24:23.200 Yes, yes, exactly exactly. But this, I mean, this is 2498 02:24:24.680 --> 02:24:28.200 an all time great story idea. I mean, you got 2499 02:24:28.239 --> 02:24:32.920 them in hiding in this horse mysterious horse thing and 2500 02:24:33.000 --> 02:24:35.680 breaking out of it and taking over the city, letting 2501 02:24:35.719 --> 02:24:36.200 everyone in. 2502 02:24:36.239 --> 02:24:38.440 It's great. And that's where we get beware of Greeks 2503 02:24:38.479 --> 02:24:42.959 bearing gifts yep or romans depending on the telling. 2504 02:24:44.680 --> 02:24:47.840 But this is this is just I love the way 2505 02:24:47.879 --> 02:24:48.840 this is filmed. 2506 02:24:48.959 --> 02:24:49.239 Also. 2507 02:24:49.319 --> 02:24:53.120 I mean it's just very like the city empty, quiet, 2508 02:24:53.719 --> 02:24:56.239 everyone's spilling out of the horse, climbing down with ropes. 2509 02:24:56.639 --> 02:25:00.559 You're like, oh, bad things. So a killing I mean 2510 02:25:00.680 --> 02:25:03.680 his specific goal. He doesn't care about Troy. He just 2511 02:25:03.719 --> 02:25:09.440 wants to make sure that Brisseus is safe. But what 2512 02:25:09.520 --> 02:25:11.760 I like is that the movie doesn't in any way 2513 02:25:11.799 --> 02:25:15.399 frame what they what the Greeks are doing as some 2514 02:25:15.680 --> 02:25:16.559 heroic thing. 2515 02:25:18.479 --> 02:25:20.879 See that's the thing with me not knowing the story 2516 02:25:20.959 --> 02:25:22.440 so well, because I imagine I'm going to watch The 2517 02:25:22.440 --> 02:25:25.079 Odyssey and be on Matt Damon's side, you know, or 2518 02:25:25.200 --> 02:25:27.360 hoping rooting for him or whatever. But watching this, I 2519 02:25:27.360 --> 02:25:29.559 was like, oh, this is awful. They are like raping 2520 02:25:29.719 --> 02:25:32.600 and pillaging and murdering babies, and I'm like, all the 2521 02:25:32.639 --> 02:25:38.000 bad stuff. Yeah, it's terrible. Yeah, so I was a 2522 02:25:38.040 --> 02:25:40.600 little surprised to be feeling that way during this iconic moment. 2523 02:25:41.000 --> 02:25:46.719 Yeah. So, I mean, props to the filmmakers for not 2524 02:25:46.760 --> 02:25:49.440 pulling their punches in that way, you know. Yeah. 2525 02:25:49.719 --> 02:25:52.520 Actually, now I'm curious to watch this theatrical version and 2526 02:25:52.559 --> 02:25:54.000 see how much they toned it down. 2527 02:25:54.559 --> 02:25:55.120 Yeah. It was. 2528 02:25:55.280 --> 02:25:58.840 It was rough, it was Yeah, it was intense. Actually, 2529 02:25:58.879 --> 02:26:01.239 it makes a lot of sense knowing it came from Benioff. 2530 02:26:02.360 --> 02:26:06.479 A good point. He's he's his stuff is pretty intense 2531 02:26:06.559 --> 02:26:12.079 and unrelenting, and I'd say he stuck the landing with 2532 02:26:12.120 --> 02:26:14.600 this one better than what I hear about the Game 2533 02:26:14.680 --> 02:26:16.319 of that right right. 2534 02:26:19.040 --> 02:26:21.559 Yeah, that's funny because he tweaked that material too, because 2535 02:26:21.559 --> 02:26:24.680 he doesn't have an ending, yeah, or Martin still hasn't 2536 02:26:24.680 --> 02:26:25.200 written it. 2537 02:26:26.319 --> 02:26:30.840 And that's where that kind of fell apart from my understanding. Yeah, yeah, 2538 02:26:31.239 --> 02:26:34.760 it started becoming very clear that without the R. Martin 2539 02:26:35.239 --> 02:26:36.559 yeah framework. 2540 02:26:36.200 --> 02:26:38.319 Once he went off book because there was no book. 2541 02:26:40.600 --> 02:26:42.959 That fascinates me because I'm like, Bro had like a 2542 02:26:43.040 --> 02:26:46.360 long time to finish whatever he was gonna do. Yeah. 2543 02:26:46.479 --> 02:26:50.079 I wonder if he just I don't know. 2544 02:26:50.760 --> 02:26:53.120 I mean, he's he's written other things, and these other 2545 02:26:53.159 --> 02:26:56.479 shows have been created and he's producing them, but just 2546 02:26:56.719 --> 02:26:59.399 can't bring himself to finish that story. And I wonder 2547 02:26:59.479 --> 02:27:01.799 this point if it's just he's got the yips or something. 2548 02:27:02.000 --> 02:27:03.760 At this point, I don't think he's ever going to 2549 02:27:03.799 --> 02:27:04.159 finish it. 2550 02:27:04.440 --> 02:27:07.760 Yeah, probably not. Yeah, And how could it ever live 2551 02:27:07.879 --> 02:27:10.760 up to you know what people have been waiting for 2552 02:27:10.840 --> 02:27:13.520 years and years and years and years for and demanding. 2553 02:27:13.840 --> 02:27:17.159 Yeah, and now it needs to not only wrap up 2554 02:27:17.399 --> 02:27:19.159 the series of books, but it needs to be better 2555 02:27:19.200 --> 02:27:24.120 than the show. Yeah, right, right, which everyone apparently hated. Right, 2556 02:27:24.280 --> 02:27:27.120 like a whole new sort of pressure he didn't ask for. 2557 02:27:27.360 --> 02:27:30.040 That's a good point, even though, isn't the ending like 2558 02:27:30.399 --> 02:27:32.559 he had told them the ending? Right? Oh? 2559 02:27:32.559 --> 02:27:35.639 That's true. Well, as far as I understand it, Yeah, 2560 02:27:35.639 --> 02:27:38.799 I think they had an outline or an idea, right. 2561 02:27:39.120 --> 02:27:41.040 It's interesting this guy who's like, hey, I have a son, 2562 02:27:42.120 --> 02:27:44.000 and he's like all right, but I'm like, what about 2563 02:27:44.000 --> 02:27:44.719 the other guy? 2564 02:27:46.280 --> 02:27:48.799 No, we should have stayed on him, be like, holy shit, 2565 02:27:48.920 --> 02:27:52.719 that worked. Yeah, that's holy shit. It worked. And then 2566 02:27:52.760 --> 02:27:54.520 he like takes off his helmet. It worked, and then 2567 02:27:54.680 --> 02:27:56.520 like an arrow shoots him in the head. Yes from 2568 02:27:56.559 --> 02:27:59.760 someone else? Yeah, yeah, that's good. I like your take. 2569 02:28:01.239 --> 02:28:06.120 I want your director's cut all this. Man, this looks 2570 02:28:07.000 --> 02:28:08.239 amazing and dangerous. 2571 02:28:08.559 --> 02:28:11.959 You build those sets and then you burn them down. Yeah. 2572 02:28:12.000 --> 02:28:15.280 I read that they endured a hurricane, yeah, at some point, 2573 02:28:15.319 --> 02:28:17.159 and it makes you think, and I know Star Wars 2574 02:28:17.200 --> 02:28:19.120 famously had that happened to them too, And it's just 2575 02:28:19.239 --> 02:28:23.200 you think about all these practical sets and just the 2576 02:28:23.719 --> 02:28:26.120 damage they may have endured and having to rebuild it. 2577 02:28:26.159 --> 02:28:30.879 And what a nightmare, what a what a horrifying image 2578 02:28:30.879 --> 02:28:31.760 singor city burn? 2579 02:28:32.239 --> 02:28:34.360 That's I mean, it's really I mean, look at that. 2580 02:28:34.360 --> 02:28:38.920 Look at how he's playing it. Peter o'tool. Yeah that 2581 02:28:39.120 --> 02:28:45.319 look between this and Supergirl, you know, quality of the role. 2582 02:28:45.440 --> 02:28:48.959 Notwithstanding he showed up. You see why he was as 2583 02:28:49.000 --> 02:28:51.680 well regarded as he was because they may have done 2584 02:28:51.680 --> 02:28:56.760 some some you know, Michael Caine in Jaws, the Revenge 2585 02:28:56.760 --> 02:29:00.319 style projects, but he always showed up. Yep. 2586 02:29:04.079 --> 02:29:06.959 This is a crazy shot too, where she jumps out 2587 02:29:06.959 --> 02:29:08.520 of the way of the horse. As far as I 2588 02:29:08.559 --> 02:29:09.799 can tell, it looks like she really did that. 2589 02:29:11.840 --> 02:29:17.360 So after this, Wolfgang Peterson did Poseidon, which I've never seen. 2590 02:29:17.920 --> 02:29:20.319 I never saw that either. That was two thousand and six, 2591 02:29:20.399 --> 02:29:24.799 I believe, and then that was it. Man, hmm, like 2592 02:29:24.840 --> 02:29:28.440 he did like one other thing in Germany, I believe. 2593 02:29:29.000 --> 02:29:33.280 H But like it's you know, I'm fascinated by that 2594 02:29:33.319 --> 02:29:39.000 because the guy got on base almost every time, and 2595 02:29:39.079 --> 02:29:41.840 yet it's just like he had one megaflop Poseidon and 2596 02:29:41.879 --> 02:29:43.000 then that was it for Hollywood. 2597 02:29:44.000 --> 02:29:47.680 Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. That reminds me just this era 2598 02:29:47.799 --> 02:29:49.760 when I was working at that studio. Sometimes they would 2599 02:29:49.799 --> 02:29:52.520 make lists of directors so they'd have a script and 2600 02:29:52.520 --> 02:29:53.959 they'd be like, come up with a list of directors 2601 02:29:54.000 --> 02:29:56.399 who would be interesting for this, And I remember putting 2602 02:29:56.479 --> 02:30:00.600 Joe Johnston on the list, and because you know Rock Tier, 2603 02:30:01.440 --> 02:30:04.440 it's like, yeah, all that stuff. So I was like, 2604 02:30:04.719 --> 02:30:09.120 he'd be a fantastic action director. And I remember they 2605 02:30:09.200 --> 02:30:12.440 called him out specifically and they're like, Joe Johnston like 2606 02:30:12.479 --> 02:30:14.920 as if, why would we go to that guy? You know, 2607 02:30:15.079 --> 02:30:20.719 fascinating And he was dismissed, and then years later he 2608 02:30:20.840 --> 02:30:25.360 is tapped to do Captain America, right, and now he's 2609 02:30:25.360 --> 02:30:28.239 back on the list and everyone's like inspired, you know. 2610 02:30:28.360 --> 02:30:31.680 So it's the fickle, the fickleness, you know what I mean. 2611 02:30:31.719 --> 02:30:36.879 So I wonder if with Wolfgang it's like he did 2612 02:30:36.879 --> 02:30:39.879 Poseidon it was a flop. Stop putting him on lists. 2613 02:30:40.000 --> 02:30:42.040 Doesn't mean he still doesn't have anything to give. But 2614 02:30:42.280 --> 02:30:45.360 for some reason he's not on the list now. And 2615 02:30:45.399 --> 02:30:47.559 then if you were given an opportunity, maybe out of 2616 02:30:47.639 --> 02:30:49.000 left field, and he knocked it out of the park, 2617 02:30:49.079 --> 02:30:51.239 everyone would be like, Wolfgang, where have you been? 2618 02:30:52.920 --> 02:30:57.840 Yeah? Huh, I wish he'd have that chance. Yeah. 2619 02:30:58.440 --> 02:30:59.920 I think about that with John McTiernan. 2620 02:31:00.799 --> 02:31:01.760 Oh sure. Yeah. 2621 02:31:02.000 --> 02:31:04.120 A shame we haven't gotten any more movies from that guy. 2622 02:31:07.239 --> 02:31:11.719 Well, he I think after jail, he pretty much I 2623 02:31:11.799 --> 02:31:19.479 think I'm done making movies. Fair that Kai bash is 2624 02:31:19.520 --> 02:31:20.520 your career a little bit. 2625 02:31:21.120 --> 02:31:25.600 But man, what an I there you go? But you 2626 02:31:25.639 --> 02:31:28.440 know what, actually Rollerball, right, and that is the movie 2627 02:31:28.440 --> 02:31:30.319 that he got basically taken down with. 2628 02:31:30.360 --> 02:31:34.520 Because of I know, God, but rollerball was a disaster. 2629 02:31:35.159 --> 02:31:42.680 It was. Yeah, so I looked it up, and indeed 2630 02:31:43.079 --> 02:31:47.840 Apollo guided Paris's arrow towards Achilles' heel. 2631 02:31:48.159 --> 02:31:51.000 Oh interesting, okay, he did have an assist. 2632 02:31:51.559 --> 02:31:56.360 Yeah. And and however, by this by this point in 2633 02:31:56.879 --> 02:32:02.840 the story, Paris himself is killed by the sacking of Troy. 2634 02:32:03.079 --> 02:32:06.280 Before the sacking of Troy, so I mean, bar the 2635 02:32:06.319 --> 02:32:09.559 war itself. According to the story, it was ten years 2636 02:32:09.959 --> 02:32:15.719 m and rather than do that, they just, yeah, that's 2637 02:32:15.760 --> 02:32:18.239 got to be It's got for Brian Cox that it's 2638 02:32:18.239 --> 02:32:21.239 got to be a cool moment, career moment he gets 2639 02:32:21.239 --> 02:32:27.040 to kill Peter O'Toole, you know, right, Yeah, so they 2640 02:32:27.120 --> 02:32:30.680 can they they shrunk it down to you know, several 2641 02:32:30.680 --> 02:32:35.200 weeks or whatever it is. M hmm. But like that's 2642 02:32:35.280 --> 02:32:37.719 you know, the Iliad itself is it's not the story 2643 02:32:37.719 --> 02:32:41.399 of the war. It's just it's the the battle between 2644 02:32:41.559 --> 02:32:48.159 Actor and Achilles, and it's that four weeks. So with 2645 02:32:48.159 --> 02:32:52.559 with Agamemnon, yeah, he in the in the story, he 2646 02:32:52.639 --> 02:32:59.799 dies after returning to Greece because his wife is pissed 2647 02:32:59.840 --> 02:33:03.079 at him for having sacrificed their daughter before going to war. 2648 02:33:03.920 --> 02:33:04.319 Mm hmm. 2649 02:33:04.840 --> 02:33:05.639 It's like an offering. 2650 02:33:06.520 --> 02:33:09.959 Yeah exactly, okay, and plus he's been sleeping around so 2651 02:33:10.000 --> 02:33:13.280 she she So basically they just give that business to 2652 02:33:13.360 --> 02:33:19.719 Brisius here. Yeah, I like it satisfying in this film, 2653 02:33:19.799 --> 02:33:22.440 it makes more sense giving it to her. Mm hmm. 2654 02:33:24.840 --> 02:33:27.600 I don't know why she had that knife up her sleeve, 2655 02:33:27.639 --> 02:33:29.280 but it's pretty cool. 2656 02:33:30.319 --> 02:33:38.280 It was handy. It was handy. I had a thought 2657 02:33:38.319 --> 02:33:44.159 and I lost it. Oh there, he goes ooh yeah, 2658 02:33:44.200 --> 02:33:47.120 in the director's cut, you you see you see the 2659 02:33:47.319 --> 02:33:50.239 head detached from the body. I'm pretty sure. Yes, yes, 2660 02:33:50.360 --> 02:33:50.760 it's like. 2661 02:33:52.639 --> 02:34:00.479 Shocking. Yeah, that's I totally forgot about that, and kind 2662 02:34:00.479 --> 02:34:01.520 of an impressive effect. 2663 02:34:02.159 --> 02:34:03.200 Yeah, it worked. 2664 02:34:03.239 --> 02:34:04.920 Well, Yeah, so there we go. 2665 02:34:05.000 --> 02:34:08.799 I kind of like how when he gets shot through 2666 02:34:08.840 --> 02:34:12.799 the heel, I mean, the moment has it's almost like, 2667 02:34:13.639 --> 02:34:15.639 if you want to read it that way, it's like, 2668 02:34:15.719 --> 02:34:21.639 that's the spell is broken in terms of his vulnerability, 2669 02:34:21.680 --> 02:34:24.399 you know, yep, and at that point he's a mortal 2670 02:34:27.799 --> 02:34:33.200 yeah right, because like the way he reacts when he 2671 02:34:33.239 --> 02:34:39.520 gets shot through the heel. I'm no expert, but it 2672 02:34:39.559 --> 02:34:42.159 feels like a very dramatic reaction, you know. 2673 02:34:42.559 --> 02:34:46.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, like he's been he snapped out of something. 2674 02:34:46.520 --> 02:34:48.799 When people shoot arrows through my heels, I just know 2675 02:34:48.879 --> 02:34:56.200 I don't react that way last time that happened to me. Yeah, 2676 02:34:56.559 --> 02:34:59.079 I like I like this here where he says in 2677 02:34:59.120 --> 02:35:02.479 a lifetime of war or you know you were the 2678 02:35:02.520 --> 02:35:05.360 only piece I had, or something to that effect. It's 2679 02:35:05.360 --> 02:35:05.879 a good lie. 2680 02:35:06.399 --> 02:35:10.399 Yeah, yeah, I feel like this. This landed for me. 2681 02:35:11.000 --> 02:35:15.280 It's complicated her relationship, but they did have a connection. 2682 02:35:15.840 --> 02:35:19.799 Wait what she changed him? Yeah, he's in a lifetime 2683 02:35:19.840 --> 02:35:23.760 of war? Come on, there we go. Yeah. 2684 02:35:23.879 --> 02:35:25.200 I do wonder if Paris is like. 2685 02:35:25.399 --> 02:35:31.479 Uh yeah, yeah, yeast is what's happening here? What are 2686 02:35:31.479 --> 02:35:31.840 we doing? 2687 02:35:33.079 --> 02:35:35.159 I got him? You know? 2688 02:35:40.680 --> 02:35:40.879 Yeah? 2689 02:35:40.920 --> 02:35:42.520 Oh I remember what I was gonna say. And I 2690 02:35:42.719 --> 02:35:45.159 don't mean to just sound like I'm repeating myself, but 2691 02:35:45.280 --> 02:35:49.440 like in movies now, a lot of the actually I'll 2692 02:35:49.440 --> 02:35:52.000 speak to John Carter actually, which I was watching last night, 2693 02:35:52.479 --> 02:35:55.680 like it's populated with a bunch of Martians. Obviously those 2694 02:35:55.719 --> 02:36:00.000 have to be computer generated, but when they're like climbing 2695 02:36:00.079 --> 02:36:03.639 over each other and fighting and people are punching them 2696 02:36:04.120 --> 02:36:07.280 as good as they look at times, there's just this 2697 02:36:07.440 --> 02:36:10.719 like tangibility that's missing. I just feel like I'm watching 2698 02:36:10.760 --> 02:36:15.079 a bunch of animated things scramble around the screen, Whereas 2699 02:36:15.079 --> 02:36:18.159 when I look at this and I'm seeing a bunch 2700 02:36:18.200 --> 02:36:22.719 of people in costumes bumping into each other and slamming 2701 02:36:22.760 --> 02:36:26.719 into walls and knocking things over, there's a real brutality 2702 02:36:26.799 --> 02:36:29.879 and you know, visceral feeling where it's like, wow, that 2703 02:36:30.079 --> 02:36:31.040 is dangerous. 2704 02:36:31.399 --> 02:36:32.360 Yeah, you know. 2705 02:36:32.440 --> 02:36:35.920 And so I just wish movies would go the. 2706 02:36:35.879 --> 02:36:39.079 Extra mile and. 2707 02:36:37.879 --> 02:36:41.719 Not put as many sort of uh, you know, generated 2708 02:36:41.760 --> 02:36:43.559 things in there, because I just don't feel like it 2709 02:36:43.639 --> 02:36:44.440 has the same effect. 2710 02:36:45.760 --> 02:36:49.280 I think with something like John Carter, audiences can at 2711 02:36:49.399 --> 02:36:52.239 least make some accommodation for the fact that it's it's 2712 02:36:52.319 --> 02:36:53.639 pure fantasy. 2713 02:36:53.639 --> 02:36:55.920 Absolutely, and they're green and they're tall and they look weird, 2714 02:36:55.959 --> 02:36:57.319 and you know, it is what it is. 2715 02:36:57.440 --> 02:37:00.280 But right, and I think, to some ex sense like, Okay, 2716 02:37:00.280 --> 02:37:03.479 well what else are you gonna do? Right? I think 2717 02:37:04.479 --> 02:37:07.440 when we have a film like this that is meant 2718 02:37:07.479 --> 02:37:11.719 to exist in something resembling our world, those shortcuts become 2719 02:37:11.799 --> 02:37:17.639 more obvious. Yeah, exactly, exactly right. So I think I'm 2720 02:37:17.680 --> 02:37:22.719 just paying my respects here because it's impressive. Yeah, you know, 2721 02:37:22.879 --> 02:37:26.440 I mean, I applaud the craft. Yeah, It's a nice 2722 02:37:26.479 --> 02:37:29.719 moment for Odysseus right there too. Mm hmm. Yeah, they 2723 02:37:29.760 --> 02:37:33.559 had a connection, I'm telling you. I mean Sean Bean. 2724 02:37:33.639 --> 02:37:39.159 It's like he doesn't have a primary role in this film, 2725 02:37:39.200 --> 02:37:42.559 but he makes a meal of what he gets. Definitely. 2726 02:37:44.639 --> 02:37:47.920 So yeah, I was talking earlier about like this trend 2727 02:37:47.959 --> 02:37:51.200 that we saw into the two thousands of this type 2728 02:37:51.200 --> 02:37:53.840 of film, And you know, I think it was a 2729 02:37:53.920 --> 02:37:56.600 year after this you had that King Arthur film that 2730 02:37:56.680 --> 02:38:01.760 Anton Fuquad directed, Remember that, Yeah, yeah, with Clive b 2731 02:38:01.760 --> 02:38:08.079 Owen and Nightly Care Knightley. Yeah, and then and then 2732 02:38:08.120 --> 02:38:12.639 you had Robin Hood, the Ridley Scott Robin Hood twenty ten. 2733 02:38:13.239 --> 02:38:15.920 Mm hmm. That's almost like the Bookends. We got Prince 2734 02:38:15.959 --> 02:38:18.680 of Thieves here and we got Ridley Scott's Robin Hood there. 2735 02:38:20.239 --> 02:38:25.920 That's yeah, right right, speaking of Bookends, what I'm missing 2736 02:38:26.120 --> 02:38:30.760 is the dog from the director's cut. Yes, remember it 2737 02:38:30.840 --> 02:38:33.440 opens with a dog on the beach and then it closes. 2738 02:38:33.559 --> 02:38:35.840 I don't know if it's the actual lash last shot 2739 02:38:35.879 --> 02:38:37.600 of the movie, but there's like a dog wandering the 2740 02:38:37.680 --> 02:38:41.840 ditch again. Yeah, it licks the faces of the people 2741 02:38:41.920 --> 02:38:42.600 that look like they have. 2742 02:38:43.399 --> 02:38:45.799 The plague, that's right. That's how we know that they're 2743 02:38:46.040 --> 02:38:49.360 they're not really so thoughts on Troy. Oh yeah, the 2744 02:38:49.440 --> 02:38:51.680 director's cut also doesn't have the Josh Grobin song at 2745 02:38:51.680 --> 02:38:51.920 the end. 2746 02:38:52.799 --> 02:38:55.440 M yeah, wait, how does it end the Director's cut? 2747 02:38:55.559 --> 02:38:58.079 Is that the last moment? It's it's what we see here, 2748 02:39:00.079 --> 02:39:04.319 Odysseus says, you know, you know, I existed in a 2749 02:39:04.440 --> 02:39:07.000 time with men like Achilles and Hector something to that, 2750 02:39:08.959 --> 02:39:11.879 but but this is it. You know. I think it's good. 2751 02:39:12.120 --> 02:39:15.920 On Rotten Tomatoes, it has a fifty three percent, and 2752 02:39:16.120 --> 02:39:17.840 I don't think that's quite right. 2753 02:39:18.280 --> 02:39:19.719 I'd nudget a tad higher. 2754 02:39:19.879 --> 02:39:23.239 Yeah, I'd put it like in the upper seventies. Maybe 2755 02:39:23.360 --> 02:39:25.159 like give it like a like an eighty. 2756 02:39:26.280 --> 02:39:30.959 I mean, and we say this knowing that Rotten Tomatoes 2757 02:39:31.040 --> 02:39:32.520 metrics are skewed anyway, So. 2758 02:39:32.719 --> 02:39:34.079 It's oh, totally totally. 2759 02:39:34.159 --> 02:39:38.760 I just but yeah, certainly, as as a film, I'd 2760 02:39:38.840 --> 02:39:42.399 give it like a solid B, which is what Cinema 2761 02:39:42.440 --> 02:39:46.440 Score gave it. Oh is that right? Audience is using 2762 02:39:46.479 --> 02:39:48.719 Cinema Score gave it a B. Yeah, I mean, honestly, 2763 02:39:48.799 --> 02:39:50.680 director's cut, I'd probably kick it up to like a 2764 02:39:50.760 --> 02:39:54.799 B plus. I think I think the character bits that 2765 02:39:54.879 --> 02:40:02.000 they add overall, I think improve the experience. But I 2766 02:40:03.079 --> 02:40:05.920 had not seen this, as I said, in more than 2767 02:40:05.959 --> 02:40:10.239 twenty years, and I was like, oh, it's good. I agree. 2768 02:40:10.559 --> 02:40:12.600 I don't feel like it reaches the highs and the 2769 02:40:12.719 --> 02:40:16.920 nuances and the you know, of something like a Gladiator. Yep, 2770 02:40:17.680 --> 02:40:20.239 just in its action and its characters and its drama. 2771 02:40:21.079 --> 02:40:23.799 But I still think it's darn effective. 2772 02:40:24.719 --> 02:40:27.280 By the way. Props to props to my man Bob Ringwood, 2773 02:40:27.399 --> 02:40:32.120 costume designer he did Batman eighty nine June eighty four, 2774 02:40:32.719 --> 02:40:37.799 the guy, it's a great costume designer. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah, 2775 02:40:37.840 --> 02:40:39.879 I was gonna say, yeah, I mean it's not Gladiator. 2776 02:40:41.440 --> 02:40:43.799 I think that movie was was sort of lightning in 2777 02:40:43.840 --> 02:40:48.959 a bottle totally, and nor is it Lord of the Rings, 2778 02:40:49.120 --> 02:40:55.000 you know. Yeah, but clearly this emerged from the same 2779 02:40:55.159 --> 02:40:58.680 queas and art that had both of those in it, 2780 02:40:58.879 --> 02:40:59.040 you know. 2781 02:41:00.360 --> 02:41:02.479 I mean it plays like the type of movie that 2782 02:41:02.559 --> 02:41:04.479 came out in two thousand and four, where, you know, 2783 02:41:04.600 --> 02:41:06.319 to Brad Pitt's point, I think he's right, it does 2784 02:41:06.399 --> 02:41:09.840 play a bit more like a blockbuster, Yeah, leads into 2785 02:41:09.959 --> 02:41:13.280 more of the blockbuster feeling than something like Gladiator. 2786 02:41:13.879 --> 02:41:16.399 Yeah, But I also feel like it has. 2787 02:41:18.079 --> 02:41:22.719 More moments that he than he's giving it credit for. 2788 02:41:23.520 --> 02:41:23.719 Yeah. 2789 02:41:23.959 --> 02:41:29.120 Also, so yeah, so that's why Yeah, besh territory for me. 2790 02:41:29.200 --> 02:41:30.479 But I mean that in a positive way. 2791 02:41:31.360 --> 02:41:35.200 Yeah, and certainly fun to revisit on the eve of 2792 02:41:35.319 --> 02:41:39.200 the Odyssey. You know, it's like, what what does it 2793 02:41:39.319 --> 02:41:43.200 look like to revisit this world a quarter century later, 2794 02:41:43.319 --> 02:41:50.079 almost in a or twenty we know, twenty twenty two 2795 02:41:50.200 --> 02:41:54.280 years later? My gosh, jesu. You know, like I think 2796 02:41:54.360 --> 02:41:59.799 that says something like the stories end up being revisited 2797 02:42:00.040 --> 02:42:02.760 in and again because there's just some something, there's something 2798 02:42:02.799 --> 02:42:03.840 compelling about it, you know. 2799 02:42:04.479 --> 02:42:07.840 Yeah, and it's interesting to see them retold through the 2800 02:42:07.920 --> 02:42:11.319 lens of their moments. You know, this is the two 2801 02:42:11.360 --> 02:42:14.120 thousand and four take on Troy. Then we're going to 2802 02:42:14.159 --> 02:42:16.440 get our twenty twenty six take on it through the 2803 02:42:16.680 --> 02:42:18.959 big filmmaker of our time, and then we'll get another one, 2804 02:42:19.440 --> 02:42:21.120 you know, twenty thirty years from now. 2805 02:42:22.280 --> 02:42:26.280 And hopefully we'll be around to see that one too. Definitely. 2806 02:42:26.399 --> 02:42:27.639 And by the way, I do want to say this 2807 02:42:27.760 --> 02:42:31.399 because you called up Bob Ringwood. The only nomination this 2808 02:42:31.559 --> 02:42:33.680 movie got at the Academy Awards for that year was 2809 02:42:33.719 --> 02:42:35.079 for best costume Design. 2810 02:42:35.760 --> 02:42:40.360 Richly deserved. Yep, great, I mean the production design, all 2811 02:42:40.399 --> 02:42:45.600 of it's it's quite quite substantial. But hey, let us 2812 02:42:45.680 --> 02:42:49.840 know your thoughts on Troy. 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