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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, and welcome to the Kylie Cast. Today is

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a horrible day. The world today is truly a different

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place than it was yesterday, and that's because yesterday, Charlie

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Kirk was taken from this world violently, sadly, and suddenly

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at the hands of an assassin who fired a single

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fatal shot during a turning point event on the campus

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of Utah Valley University. Charlie Kirk was a thirty one

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year old, devoted and faithful husband, a loving father to

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two beautiful children, an outspoken Christian, a stalwart Conservative, and

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a true patriot in every sense of the word. I

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didn't know Charlie Kirk personally, we weren't friends, but my

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life and my beliefs have no doubt been shaped by

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Charlie's just massive influence on the conservative movement. Many of

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my friends were brought into the movement by Charlie Kirk

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and his organization. And it's just remarkable to watch the

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maturity of Charlie Kirk as a leader, as a Christian,

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and as a father. Since his firebrand days of being

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a teenager in the public eye, Charlie Kirk turned into

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such an important figure for the make America Great Again

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movement such an important figure for conservatism broadly. He had

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a way of guiding people back to reality on a

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whole range of topics. He talked frequently about things like

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abortion in euthanasia. He basically educated gen Z on the

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founding of our great country when public schools failed them.

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He reiterated often that boys are boys, girls are girls.

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Boys cannot become girls and girls cannot become boys. He

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opposed the institutional racism of the diversity, equity and Inclusion complex,

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and also oppose the violence and the racism of the

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Black Lives Matter movement. He condemned law fair and champion

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law and order. He helped move our foreign policy away

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from the old way of shutting down debate and into

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a far more productive way of thinking. He fought warmongers

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and censors and propagandists and the swamp, and he did

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it all with a smile. He advocated for secure elections,

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and he helped define what America First really means. He

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really helped reshape the Republican Party as a whole, and

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Democrats hated him for all of this because he was

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a force to be reckoned with. And while some people

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are now using this horrific assassination as evidence that the

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Charlie Kirk approached to civic debate didn't work. I would

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argue that his death proves the exact opposite. People don't

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get assassinated like this unless they're effective. At the same time,

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there's still this somber sense that if there was an

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off ramp for political violence, Charlie Kirk was it. He

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courageously and calmly engaged his opponents in dialogue, and yet

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he was still murdered for it. So we're left with

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this feeling that something has changed. Nobody knows what's coming,

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but we're all unsettled, like we've crossed a cultural rubicon,

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like we've crossed a point of no return, like we

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need to do something. And I think the fact that

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today is the twenty fourth anniversary of nine to eleven

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just adds to this feeling, because in many ways, this

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seems like a similar Lynchpin moment that's going to change everything,

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which is kind of waiting for the next shoe to drop.

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And I think one of the reasons it's so hard

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and unsettling is that Charlie Kirk wasn't a fringe figure

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in any sense. Of the word. He wasn't an extremist,

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he wasn't a radical. He was a normy. He was

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a civilian Christian dad. He held no actual political power,

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and he shared the same ideas as half the country,

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the same ideas as you and I and many of

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our friends and loved ones. And so it all just

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feels so very close to home. I really resonated with

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these words from Mark Hemingway today in The Federalist. He said, quote,

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I do not want to live in a society where

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half the country simply uses whatever power is available to

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them to go after the other half. I do not

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believe the average Democrat voter believes that successfully engaging in

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good faith debates on college campuses Warren's death. But and

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I am hardly alone here. I am increasingly concerned that

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there are forces on the left that cannot be debated.

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They must be made to feel pain until they stop.

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I pray that this can be done within the bounds

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of the law and the constitution, not that the left

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has much cared about those restraints.

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Speaker 2: End quote.

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Speaker 1: He makes a really good point. But I think in

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moments like this we need to take a lesson from

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Charlie himself. Back in June, Charlie Kirk tweeted, quote, when

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things are moving very fast and people are losing their minds,

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it's important to stay grounded, turn off your phone, read scripture,

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spend time with friends, and remember Internet fury is not

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real life. It's going to be okay. End quote. So

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even though we are sick of negotiating with left wing terrorists,

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and it truly feels many days like we're at war,

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we really really need to be thoughtful and prudent and

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prayerful about how we respond in this very frought moment.

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First off, we need to resist any temptation to violence ourselves,

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and we need our anger, although it's wholly justified and

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even righteous, to be productive, not just cathartic. So how

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do we do that? Well, there's political power conservatives absolutely

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need to wield. Trump was right to call this attack

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not only an assassination but terrorism, and we need to

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treat it like that. Violent left wing organizations such as

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Antifa and George Soros and Goo's should be investigated and

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brought to heal. Follow the money, hit them with RICO charges,

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throw them in prison, use whatever tools we have at

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our disposal. This is a nothing short of organized crime.

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The media also need to face a serious reckoning, and

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the federal government should be combing through their lives and

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finances with a fine tooth comb. People need to be

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not only fired, but also never taken seriously ever again.

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Matthew Dowd's firing was a start, but only the bare minimum.

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Just in the past day, Jensaki blamed Trump for escalating

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the situation. ABC's Kyra Phillips tried to justify the attack,

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and Katie Tourists coverage was despicable and there is plenty

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more where that came from. After law enforcement found the murder,

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weis including rounds of ammunition that had been reportedly engraved

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with Antifa and transgender ideology, CNN obscured those facts with

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a headline that read quote federal officials probe rifle and

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AMMO scrolled with cultural phrases after Charlie Kirk killing end quote.

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And this is while Democrats, including even former President Barack

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Obama himself, continue to scratch their heads and pretend that

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we can't possibly discern a motive for this literal assassination.

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Speaking of the AMMO engravings, Republican lawmakers also seriously need

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to do something about transgender ideology. We've all seen where

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affirming people in their mentally ill delusions and then pumping

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them full of hormones leads, and it is nowhere good.

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The doctors and teachers and administrators and parents who indulge

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these fantasies should be held criminally liable. No more. American

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schools and cities and families cannot be playgrounds for mentally

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ill activists to carry out their fantasies and experiments were done.

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There are also productive responses we should have on a

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cultural and individual level. We need to hold people to account.

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Make it hard for them to celebrate his death. When

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you see people you know grave dancing online or laughing

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about how Charlie Kirk deserved what happened to him, don't

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be silent. Speak up. This is honestly why the Yankees'

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response to the assassination was so important and so powerful.

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It shouldn't be normal and easy for people and organizations

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to hang transgender and BLM flags, but unheard of to

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expect them to mourn death. Okay, this is a cultural

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tide that needs turning. But more than any of these

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other responses, we must pray for Charlie's wife, and his

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dear children, for this country and our social bonds, for

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Christians to be courageous, and for non Christians to repent

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and believe the gospel. We need to pray for wisdom

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for Donald Trump and members of Congress and law enforcement.

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We must pray for justice and prudence and for self control.

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Pray for more Charlie Kirks to rise up and take

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the torch. And most importantly, I cannot stress this enough.

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If you don't know Jesus personally, then you should pray

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in repentance and faith for salvation. The apostle Paul wrote, quote,

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if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is the Lord,

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and believe in your heart that God raised him from

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the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart

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one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one

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confesses and is saved. End quote. So please do not

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just admire Charlie Kirk's faith from afar. Christianity is not

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a spectator sport. Call out to God and receive his

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salvation as your own. Repent and believe the gospel today.

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It's simply the good news that there is a God

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and you are not him. You have sin that separated

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you from God, but in his love he offers you

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salvation through Jesus's perfect life, death, and resurrection. Give your

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life to him, believe it, receive it. I am confident

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that this is how Charlie Kirk would want us to respond.

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Because he was assassinated, yes, but not just that. He

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was also martyred. Charlie Kirk successfully fought policy battles in

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the pub square, yes, but those were all second tier issues,

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and he knew that he worked really hard for political victory.

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But the fruit of Charlie Kirk's life showed that he

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was under no delusion that Donald Trump or the Republican

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Party were his saviors. The core of his identity, of

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his very life, was an unwavering and public faith in

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Jesus Christ for the salvation of his soul from sin

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and death. Charlie Kirk wasn't ultimately killed for his second

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order political beliefs, but for his first order belief in Jesus,

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out of which all his other beliefs flowed.

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is up by a trillion. We have a severe that problem.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now is Reverend Hans Feene. Thanks so much,

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Hans for being here today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Hans. You know a lot of people right now

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are seeking answers. I'm seeing it all of our social media.

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I'm seeing it in my personal life. I've heard people

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say things like I feel like I should pray but

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I don't know how, or I'm feeling the poll to

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go to church, and I saw one person even say

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give my life to Jesus. Or I've never been religious,

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but I feel like I've stared evil in the face

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and I know that I don't want to be on

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evil's side. You and I know there's a solution to that.

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It's called the Gospel, because, whether we like it or not,

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we all start on evil's side. We're all born in sin.

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We deserve death and hell for that. So basic question,

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how does a person switch sides? How can they begin

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a relationship with God and be brought from death and

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despair to life? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You know, so, I think oftentimes God will use the

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suffering and the sorrow of this world to stoke within

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us what I oftentimes call the hunger for Eden.

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Speaker 2: So this is an argument I've often.

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Speaker 4: Used with atheists when I've talked with them, where they'll

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try to make the case for the non existence of God.

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They'll bring up the problem of evil, right, the idea

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of how could there be a loving God? If there's

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so much suffering in the world? How could there so,

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you know, in an instance like the assassination at Charlie Kirk,

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how could there be a loving God? When you know

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a man in his young thirties has got two young children,

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is just senselessly murdered. And I think the proper response

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to that from a Christian standpoint is, well, if there's

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no God and there's no order to anything, why would

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that bother you?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: Why would why would one person destroying one.

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Speaker 2: Whom he opposes bother you does?

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Speaker 4: Why does the destruction of the innocent bother you the

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or the destruction of the weak at the hands of

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the strong, whatever forms of evil people are looking at

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in the world, right and I And ultimately the answer

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to that is because there's something within you that perceives

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that the world is out of joint and it's disordered.

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Speaker 2: Right, So you would if you went to a movie

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Speaker 4: Fight broke out, that would upset you, that would garner

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your attention, you'd wonder what's going on. But if you

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went to a boxing match and people are punching each other,

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that wouldn't upset you, because that's the whole purpose of

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this thing. So why are you expecting the world to

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be orderly? And why are you expecting there to be

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justice in the world. Why isn't it just organisms devouring organisms?

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who created this world. He created this world to be perfect,

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and in our very bones we sense that that has

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and lost when we perceive the wickedness and the evil

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of this world. And so the solution to that pain

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is not to say that there is no God and

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to sort of surrender ourselves to kind of the hopelessness

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of saying the universes just came about by chance and

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there's no real purpose to any suffering. But ultimately it's

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to say, well, if there is a God who created

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us to live with him forever, surely that wasn't the

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end of our union with him or the end of

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our connection to him when this world fell apart. And so,

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whoever that God is, he, if he loves us, he

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must have spoken to us.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: That's what you do when you love someone is you

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communicate with them. And ultimately God's communication has found. God's

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speaking to us is found in the words of the

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scriptures and in the ministry of Jesus Christ. So a

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man is born into this world. He claims that he

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is the son of God, claims that he will prove

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that he's the son of God by dying and rising again.

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Speaker 2: On the third day.

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Speaker 4: And then he does, and this is witnessed by multiple people,

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and the words of this are written down for us.

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fulfillment of all of these promises that have been given

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over the course of many centuries of prophets writing down

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the promise of the one who is to come, and

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so so ultimately that we're when we perceive evil and sorrow,

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that we don't need to just sort of sit in

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the hopelessness of it, but we can recognize that there

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is actually an answer to this, that there is a

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promise of the one who is going to give us

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victory over this, victory over our tears. And we find

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that promise in Jesus Christ, who died upon the cross

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forgiving the sins of this world, taking away everything that

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made us unworthy to live with God forever, taking away

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the flaming sword that kept us out of the garden

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of Paradise where everything was perfect, and that he is,

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in his resurrection and his victory the grave, He's given

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us the right to live in an even better Eden,

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and Eden that can never be lost in the life

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to come. And so as Christians, we have the confidence

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that even amidst the sorrows of this world, that we

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have the promise that Christ has already overcome this world,

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as the scriptures tell us, as Saint John tells us,

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that Christ has already won the victory over death and

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the grave, so that even in the case of something

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like what happened with Charlie Kirk, that despite all of

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the violence and horror, that we can still have a

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measure of comfort and peace because we can recognize that

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through faith. Jesus claimed Charlie is his own and has

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delivered him into the presence of God, and that all

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who believe in Christ will be with him, and would

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be with all the saints of the Kingdom, and ultimately

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be with our Lord on the last day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Amen.

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Speaker 1: Amen. In the New Testament, the disciples ask Jesus during

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his earthly ministry to teach them to pray. He does,

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and I think, you know, for people who haven't haven't

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begun a relationship with Christ, or even for people who

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are new Christians, you get to this moment that just

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feels heavy and somber and difficult, and you know, it's

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hard to know sometimes even how to pray. So the

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disciples asked Jesus, I'll ask you, for new Christians, how

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do they pray?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean the easiest answer is just open up

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the Bible, look at the Psalms, and look to the

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Gospel of Matthew, for example, and the Sermon on the

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Mount where Jesus gives us the Lord's prayer, and there

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are a few other obviously a few other.

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Speaker 2: Examples in the scriptures of prayers that we're given.

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Speaker 4: So in a lot of ways, praying is like any

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other discipline, you learn by doing what people before you

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have done. Right, So you know, when you're in kindergarten

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or first grade and you're learning to write and you're

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tracing the.

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Speaker 2: Letters on the sort of stenciled out.

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Speaker 4: Letters that in all of that you're learning based on

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the template that someone has set before you.

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Speaker 2: How the structure of this works.

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Speaker 4: So on the one hand, it's a really really great

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way to start is just by simply speaking the words

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that others have spoken before you and trusting that God

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will give you the understanding of those words as you

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speak them. And then on the other hand, there's also

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a sense in which you say, well, prayer is ultimately

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a conversation with your Father in heaven. So we don't

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need to be any more confused about how to speak

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to God than we would be to our earthly fathers,

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at least certainly if we have loving earthly fathers. And

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that's not a a terrifying proposition for people just open

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your mouth and start speaking. And in particular, prayer is

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asking of God. So ask God what it is that

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you need from him. Ask him for comfort, ask him

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for understanding, ask him for strength, ask him for guidance

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in all of these things. It's important to remember that

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prayer is not like a you know, in the movie.

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Speaker 2: I've never actually seen the Harry Potter movies.

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Speaker 4: I was too old to read the book as a kid,

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and too young to read them ironically when they came out,

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I guess, so.

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Speaker 2: I never read them.

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Speaker 4: But I think this is, you know, kind of the

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shtick of sorcery type movies is that if you mess

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up the words of the spell, it doesn't work right

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and something something terrible might happen if you get the

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utterance wrong. Well, that's not what prayer is, right, So

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in the same way that if you know, I have

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a six year old son.

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Speaker 2: He's pretty good with speaking at this point.

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Speaker 4: But if he were to ask me for something and

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mispronounce the name of it, you know, if he asked

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me for spaghetti he wanted spaghetti, and he asked me

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for pasquetti, I wouldn't make him go hungry. I know

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what he means, and I'm able to give him what

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it is that he needs. And in the same way,

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you don't have to find the perfect words for God

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to give you what it is that he needs, what

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it is that you need. He's your father in heaven.

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He knows what you need, right, and He's promised to

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give you all of that according to his will.

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Speaker 1: Right right. Yeah, And he's good, He's so good, and

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he delights in hearing the prayers of his children. So

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all right, that's very helpful. Yeah. I think one thing

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I'm really struggling with, and I imagine others are too,

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is just the darkness of this moment. You know, this

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followed so closely after the train stabbing, which followed so

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closely after multiple you know, transgender related school shootings, and

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it just feels like you can't even keep up with

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the news without seeing just endless and senseless acts of

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violence and political attacks. I mean, it's just NonStop. How

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do you think Christians can best stay engaged politically without

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just being consumed by darkness and despair? And you know,

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darkness has not overcome the light, and that the gates

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of hell will not prevail against the church. But it's

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all just still practically, it's all so heavy. So what

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are some real, tangible, practical steps we can take not

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to get sucked into to the darkness.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think one of the ways to not

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probably the best way to not surrender to despair when

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looking at the world from a political angle or figuring

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out how to be politically engaged, is to recognize the

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limits of political action. And there are problems that can

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be solved through politics. It's so politics is not an

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inherently dirty or corrupt thing. It can become that way,

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but it's not in and of itself. And so there's

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a there's a sense in which if you rely on

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it to do what it is that it does, then

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that's great, and you won't get burned out by trying

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to make it accomplish what it can accomplish. But if

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you look for it to fix what it can't fix,

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then you're going to end up in a world of hurt.

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You know, there's probably a sense in which it's a

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bit like you know, I don't know how people feel

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about chiropractic like chiropractic care. I'm I'm willing to try it.

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I've gone to chiropractors, but I always get really nervous

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when they start telling you it can fix things, where

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you're like, there's no way it can fix that.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: So they tell you, like, and you're talking about how

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you have an ear infection, and they go, oh, come

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in for that and will adjust your ears and.

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Speaker 2: You won't get ear infections anymore, and you're like that.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm going to do medicine because if I start,

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if I start trusting, I'm gonna trust antibiotics, because if

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I trust chiropractic to fix a you know, a sinus

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infection or an ear infection, I'm just going to end

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up in a worse place. And I think that's kind

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of the same thing with politics. So politics can't in

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and of itself cure the human heart, which is, you know,

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we don't so obviously don't know who the person was

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that that committed this murder, don't know specifically why beyond

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the demonic, demonic desire to take life. So but so

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the heart is something that can only ultimately be healed

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by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Obviously, it doesn't mean

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that everyone who's not a Christian is going to do

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things of this nature, but those who under the power

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of the devil. The solution to that is for the

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strong man to be cast out, as the scriptures described,

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and the stronger man to take residence in the heart

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of someone. And so if we look to if we

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recognize that the way to bring the old time way

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to find peace is to recognize that our righteousness comes

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from Jesus alone. This is I think a big problem

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in politics today, where so much of it is is

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theater where people are simply trying to say the words

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that will get them affirmation from their own group, and

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regardless of whether or not they actually think those words

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are even true or whether they do anything, it's a

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matter of they want to know that they're good people.

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in the unwillingness on the left to even sort of

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acknowledge that, you know that this church school shooting up

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in Minnesota was done by someone who was under the

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spell of the transgender ideology, and so the same thing

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with this school shooting in Nashville, And it seems like

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sort of the mindset is well, I become from for

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people on the left, the mindset is I'm a righteous

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person by supporting the marginalized, which is the trans community.

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them need to be marginalized, right, maybe there are aspects

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of this that need to be marginalize. I'm going to

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lose my righteousness and I'm not the good person that

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I thought I was, and I need to find some

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other way to sort of accomplish that. The great thing

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about the Christian faith is that it says to you,

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your righteousness is not found in you.

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Speaker 2: It's not found in your own actions.

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Speaker 4: It's found in the perfect life of Jesus Christ, which

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he gave up for you upon the cross. And so

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that while that calls you to a life of faithfulness,

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it doesn't enslave you to a life of constantly trying

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to figure out how like being a man lost in

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the darkness, trying to find his way out in a

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room that's just sort of like endless walls, you know,

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trying to find the one door in a room where

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there's no light. So so what politics can't give you

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peace with God, It can't give you peace with your neighbor.

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It can order society, and it can hinder evil people

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from doing evil things. But ultimately, what truly gives us

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peace is knowing that God loves us and knowing that

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the one who's going to judge us finds us to

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be not just acceptable, but that he cherishes us and

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wants to be in our presence forever and wants us

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to be in His presence forever. And you can't accomplish

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that through politics. That's only received through the Gospel of

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Jesus Christ. It's only received through the blood that won

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the salvation of the world.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 4: The way to not become embittered with politics is to

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recognize all of the peace that you're looking for, all

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of the restlessness of your soul that you're trying to calm.

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the cross. Yes, not found at the ballot box. It's

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not found in any specific political action. And then if

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you want to treat politics as politics, then you'll be

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in a much better place where you're not trying to

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withdraw from it or mind from it something that it

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can't possibly give you, which only sends you into a

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kind of spiritual freefall.

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Speaker 1: Right right, and Scripture agrees with this. I mean, we

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know that we are not wrestling against flesh and blood.

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It's a spiritual war, and that there's only a spiritual

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solution that can solve our spiritual ills. So that's a

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great reminder. I think there can be a temptation as

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Christians all the time, but probably especially when tragedy like

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this happens, or attacks like this happen, to shy away

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from the public square or to focus on you know,

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so called winsomeness, as Russell Moore and many other many

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other Christian leaders like him have often done at the

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expense of the truth, and also I think at the

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expense of being effective, often for the cause of Christ.

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And I think Charlie Kirk in many ways showed the

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fallacy of that approach. And I'm curious what you think

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the lesson is to other young Christians who are now

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left to take up the torch courageously that he left behind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, I think every generation kind of has its particular

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worldview that may have been fairly accurate in its own day,

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and then there are sort ofultural changes that make it

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not so accurate anymore. So I think, for example, if

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you're if you were a pastor fifty years ago and

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and someone said to you, pastor, I think you know

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your sermons need to be a bit more political, and

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you'd say, no, what are you talking about. You know,

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the the difference between Republicans and Democrats is the difference

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between you know, management versus labor, and you know, small

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government versus bigger government. There's no reason for the church

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to weigh in on that at all. Christians of goodwill

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can disagree on all of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, the problem that's.

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Speaker 4: Happened more recently is that the political left is in

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many ways just sort of animated on an almost kind

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of sub atomic level, animated with animus towards the Christian faith,

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and they very much see the Christian Faith as the

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number one political power that they need to disarm. So

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so the realcity. So when you look at just the

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why it took three seconds for the political left to

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embrace the transgender asm issue, Why why does it take

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like you look at an issue like surrogacy, right, that's

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an Historically, that's a that's a layup for opposition from

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the left because you go, oh, here you have a

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bunch of rich people, oftentimes rich white people, renting the

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wombs of poor women who don't have any other options

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for making money, like that's a that's a classic, kind

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of typical left wing issue of the exploitation of the poor,

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and yet they can't do it because there just seems

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to be this recognition of no, no, that Christians would agree

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with us on that. So whatever is, whatever the Christian

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position is, we stand in opposition towards that. And I

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think there's oftentimes a I'm a Lutheran, so I don't

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I'm not in sort of the evangelical world as much,

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so I don't always kind of know, you know, who

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the big movers and shakespas are. But I think that

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this is this is something you can kind of see

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in any denomination, is that the people who grew up

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where the world kind of worked one way don't always

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transition well to when things just kind of change. And

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and on account of that, there is a they oftentimes

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feel like that that the truth is being hijacked. So

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if you look at someone like Charlie Kirk, Now I'm

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a bit older than Charlie Kirk, and so I'm not

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I'm not a boomer by any stretch of the imagination.

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But his style was something that was just not the

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way that anything was done when I was coming up,

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and so you know, there was a long while where

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it kind of struck me as more combative than it

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really needed to be, and and a bit too, you know,

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a bit to mixing of politics and religion. And yet

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at the same time, what I didn't quite sort of

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realize with him at first was and with kind of

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speakers and you know, thinkers of his generation, is they

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fully came up and I came up in a world

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that was kind of a hybrid of the old divide

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between conservatives and Republicans and then the current divide, and

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he grew up in a world where it was just

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entirely uh the uh, this kind of this hostility of

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the left being animated by hatred of the church. So

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for him, those worlds are far more intertwined. And he's

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speaking to an audience that has that's come from and

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is particularly with a lot of young conservatives who very

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well didn't grow up in the church and and are

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growing up with a lot of bitterness and a lot

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of resentment, and and and trying to speak in a

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way where he's pushing them back towards Christ and saying,

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don't think of yourself as a victim don't don't think

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that just being mad about things is somehow going to

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lead to a fulfilling life, but while also reflecting a

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clearer understanding of the political reality, which which is that

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it's getting much harder to say that you can be

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sort of a card carrying Democrat and agreeing with the

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party platform while still being a Christian. And that's a

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reality that I think the previous generation has a hard

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time recognizing because the the party platform was different back then,

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right right, you know, so, and so I think that

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so that's something that in I wish I kind of

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would have recognized with Charlie a bit earlier on that

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that's what he was doing. And I wish I would

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have seen the value of that a little more quickly

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and interested kind of in my own life.

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Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah. And I think there's a lot of

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advantages for you know, the gen Z cohort that came

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up listening grew up listening to Charlie Kirk and adopting

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his ideas. Just they did get a front row seat

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to the blatant hostility you know, in their public schools

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or whatever to Christianity, and so I think they'll be

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ready to to carry to carry on where he left off. Well,

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I have you here for just one more minute. I

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just want to ask you, you know, if people are

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you know, Christians or not, are being newly challenged in

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their faith, and just if this is lighting their fire

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to get back in the Word and pursue Christ, where

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should they start reading, their cracking their bible. Where should

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they start?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a it's a marvelous question. I think probably

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just with the Gospel of Matthew. Perhaps the Gospel of

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John is a good place to start under if you

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understand the ministry of Jesus, if you understand the a

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lot of times with Matthew too, the prophecies that he's fulfilling.

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But John has a lot of that as well. It

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gives you a framework for better understanding the rest of

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the scriptures and the Old Testament itself. So yeah, so

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certainly the Gospel of Matthew, the Gospel of John, I

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mean anywhere. I always feel weird sort of trying to

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pick something like this because it's all the Word of God,

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and it's all beneficial and the Holy Spirit speaks to

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us through all of it. But I also say the

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Book of Romans as well would be a good one,

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as Romans has it can be. I'm sure certainly be

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a challenge for new believers or people who don't know

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a lot about.

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Speaker 2: The Christian faith.

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Speaker 4: But it gives a great sort of summary of what

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it means to be an, what it means to be

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redeemed by Christ, how salvation works, and how that orders

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and inspires the Christian life.

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Speaker 1: Really glorious truths there. Yeah, Hans, thank you so much

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for joining me. I appreciate your time, and I hope

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to have you back again soon, hopefully under better circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much. Good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Yep, good to see you as well. Something is definitely

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stirring spiritually. From the knifing of Areno Zurutzka, to the

624
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recent shooting at a Minneapolis Catholic school, and now to

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the public execution of Charlie Kirk, it feels like sin

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and mortality are staring us straight in the face. The

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past few weeks feel like a flashing Neon sign reminding

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us that as long as the Lord Terry's, nobody's getting

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out of here alive, suffering guaranteed death imminent. May we

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see God's mercy in these agonizing moments that remind us

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life is fleeting because they're an invitation to the giver

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of eternal life. I don't know if you know this,

633
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but Charlie Kirk isn't actually dead. He's very very much alive,

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singing and worshiping in the presence of his Savior and King.

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So today I am pleading with you, don't miss the

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gravity of this moment. Don't miss the invitation. Yesterday was

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Charlie Kirk's last day on earth, but today or tomorrow

638
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could be yours, so don't wait. That's all for today's

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episode of the Kylie Cast. Thank you so much for

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tuning in. Everybody, go home and hug your loved ones,

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hold him close, and we'll be back here next week

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with more