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<v Speaker 1>Seven oh six.

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<v Speaker 2>For fifty five k r C the Talk Station.

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<v Speaker 1>Bryan Thomas fishing everyone a happy, happy Tuesday, and welcoming

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<v Speaker 1>back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show former FOP

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<v Speaker 1>President Dan Hills, who's with Frontline Advisors now to chime

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<v Speaker 1>in on the Hamilton County police chiefs looking for some

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<v Speaker 1>reform and the judicial practices here in Hamilton County. Welcome back,

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Hill's always a pleasure having you on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian has been far too long, my friends. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you are well.

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<v Speaker 1>You're with Frontline Advocates. Remind my listeners what you've been

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<v Speaker 1>up to since you stepped down as FOP president.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I do work part time for a local department,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't I don't think they want any part

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<v Speaker 2>of my politics, so to speak. But I work. I

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<v Speaker 2>do what we call auxiliary work in hamm County, they

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<v Speaker 2>call special deputies. But I do a lot of it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a more it's more like security than it is

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<v Speaker 2>UH of police work. I uh watch over a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of synagogues and I might give away the community, but

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<v Speaker 2>they'll do that Hebrew school stuff like that. But I

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<v Speaker 2>work uh frontline advisors. I work alongside attorneys that that

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<v Speaker 2>represent police unions like Middletown, Fairfield, Mason and also Corrections

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<v Speaker 2>Union Speller County, hamm County Corrections as well. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing a little bit of the same stuff I did

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<v Speaker 2>as the FOP president. I'll represent at the predisciplinary hearings

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<v Speaker 2>and things of that nature, other other meetings with maybe

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<v Speaker 2>if they're being investigated, or sit down with the chief

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<v Speaker 2>or assistant chief about the stuff. So I handle things

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<v Speaker 2>that don't necessarily need an attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>So fair enough, like an expert opinion. Having experienced this

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<v Speaker 1>from the perspective a law enforcement officer and former union leader,

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<v Speaker 1>get all that all right? Well, in your capacity is

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<v Speaker 1>a former law enforcement officer and union leader for the

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<v Speaker 1>insint Police Department, what's your reaction? I understand the Hamilton

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<v Speaker 1>County police chiefs got together the other day to try

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out what's going on and try to come

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<v Speaker 1>up with a solution, and they're going to call in

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<v Speaker 1>a roundtable within the month judges, magistrates, prosecutors, elected officials

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about this. They seem to have concluded the

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<v Speaker 1>problem lies with the judicial branch here in Hamilton County

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<v Speaker 1>that you can have tough on law enforcement police officers

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<v Speaker 1>doing their job and arresting bad guys for committing crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>You can take them to County Pillot in the prosecutor's office,

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<v Speaker 1>and she can have all the evidence in the world

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<v Speaker 1>and present it and make bond recommendations and sentencing recommendations.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's ultimately up to the judge to conclude how

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<v Speaker 1>much the bond's going to be and what the sentence

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be. And we have a lot of judges,

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<v Speaker 1>notably like Judge Samantha Silverstein, who doesn't really believe in

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<v Speaker 1>bonds and lets people out on their own recognizance otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't sentence people harshly for even crimes involving guns. There's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing we can really do about that, is there? We

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<v Speaker 1>need to vote better in the elections. I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of have our hands tied, don't we.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan We do, but you kind of covered what the

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<v Speaker 2>letter says. What I can do is a little deeper

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<v Speaker 2>dive into what it is they're doing. It's first off,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a group that goes out of its way.

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<v Speaker 2>It prides itself on being a political They are not.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have ours or d's next to their name.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't jump in and try to promote one party

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<v Speaker 2>over another. They want to stay out of politics. They're

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<v Speaker 2>simply about enforcing the law and serving they're public. Because

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<v Speaker 2>each and every one of these police chiefs, however many

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<v Speaker 2>there are in hamiletegam And, I think the number somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>around forty, each and every one of them has a

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<v Speaker 2>community that they're responsible for. It's their community. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter if Cincinnati, if it is Dell High, if it's Madeira,

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<v Speaker 2>they all have a community that they are responsible for.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're seeing that they cannot properly protect their community

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<v Speaker 2>because of this weak link in the justice system. Their

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<v Speaker 2>cops are going out there, they're locking up the bad guys,

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<v Speaker 2>they're catching the bad guys, they're bringing them before the prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 2>The prosecutor, like you said, is prosecuting, and all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, you know, over just the last handful of years,

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<v Speaker 2>you have judges that are just completely dropping the ball,

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<v Speaker 2>not only with sentencing but with bonds. And so if

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<v Speaker 2>bad guys violent bad guys. We're not talking about petty

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<v Speaker 2>theft suspects or disorderly conducts up there. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>aggravated robberies, flown the assaults that these people are are

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<v Speaker 2>walking in and walking out the door. It means that

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<v Speaker 2>the people in their community. And again this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is anywhere in ham To County you are being affected

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<v Speaker 2>by this. You can you can live in a small village,

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<v Speaker 2>a township, the city itself. You all are being affected

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<v Speaker 2>by the fact that there are judges that just don't

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<v Speaker 2>see the criminal process as it's been seen for decades before.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where the chiefs are getting together and saying,

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<v Speaker 2>we know that some people are don't say that we're

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<v Speaker 2>jumping into the politics. That's not what we're trying to do.

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<v Speaker 2>We're trying to we're trying to set off you know

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the warnings signals saying that folks are

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be safe if we continue down this path.

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<v Speaker 2>So you talked about the within thirty days is what

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<v Speaker 2>the letter says. They're going to have this round table

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<v Speaker 2>discussion and they're going to invite the judges and the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecutors and they'll make sure they buy it in by

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<v Speaker 2>judges from both sides of the political side, of both

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<v Speaker 2>both sides of the politics, and the prosecutors, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to talk about this and how it's affecting

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<v Speaker 2>their communities, and they they want answers, they want more

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<v Speaker 2>transparent parancy. It's like, what do you use your honor

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<v Speaker 2>to decide a bail? Do you have data? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>do you always give you know, a higher bail if

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<v Speaker 2>a B and C you know, pass sentencing repeat repeat offenders,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's when you know, that's where when you really

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<v Speaker 2>should you know, start to get the message that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this person is going to be found guilty of what

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<v Speaker 2>it is they arrested for because they've been found guilty

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<v Speaker 2>of it three more three other times. Maybe there there

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<v Speaker 2>is a resistance, uh to to be civilized and uh

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<v Speaker 2>and follow the laws of the state and and and

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<v Speaker 2>the wishes of the community. And so this is when

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<v Speaker 2>the bonds should be rising, and this is when the

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<v Speaker 2>sentencing should be stronger. But what are you using your

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<v Speaker 2>honor in your assessment, in your decision making to to

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<v Speaker 2>to come up with a proper sentence in this in

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<v Speaker 2>this case or these case. And that's that that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they're there. They're they're also looking up for their cops

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<v Speaker 2>still not only their system, but they're looking out for

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<v Speaker 2>their cops because their copts are going out there risking

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<v Speaker 2>their lives uh and and busting their rears and and

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<v Speaker 2>coming up with in the end UH no worthwhile result

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<v Speaker 2>because within within hours, day days at the most, they're

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<v Speaker 2>walking out on a on a low or no bond,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when it comes time around for them to

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<v Speaker 2>get in the sentenced, they're they're sentenced the next to nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>So they see the frustration in their officers. They're concerned

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<v Speaker 2>for their their their safety, and concern for their morale

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<v Speaker 2>and but ultimately they're there to serve the citizens. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is the trying our deciszens by by calling this meeting,

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<v Speaker 2>well call the round table, calling the meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>And I suppose who actually chooses to show up or

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<v Speaker 1>not will be indicative of how much they care about

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<v Speaker 1>the issue or not. I mean, I can't imagine in

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<v Speaker 1>spite of getting a direct invitation that Judge Samantha Silverstein,

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<v Speaker 1>who apparently has been earmarked or identified as one of

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<v Speaker 1>the weakest judges when it comes to bond and sentencing.

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<v Speaker 1>I doubt she's going to show up. And if she does,

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<v Speaker 1>she'lld just regurgitate what the general sentencing guidelines are and

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<v Speaker 1>say I work within those and it's entirely up to them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the judge's discretion on how much bond should be,

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<v Speaker 1>her sentencing should be. So in the final analysis, we

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<v Speaker 1>have a record which shows what the bonds and sentencings are,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have a judge who would parrot what the

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<v Speaker 1>sentencing guidelines suggests she should take into consideration. But in

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<v Speaker 1>the final analysis it ends up being a slap on

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<v Speaker 1>the risk. That's what we've got. So the sheriffs are

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<v Speaker 1>serving a valuable purpose in shining a light on where

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<v Speaker 1>the failure is, and that's the judicial branch. No one's

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<v Speaker 1>pointing a finger at Connie Pillot's for not prosecuting. No

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<v Speaker 1>one's pointing a finger at the police for not arresting people.

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<v Speaker 1>They're pointing a finger and shining a light for the

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<v Speaker 1>world to see that it's the judicial branch. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a helpful exercise, even though I really don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's going to bear fruit.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, Well, you know, I guess the hope is either

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<v Speaker 2>enough pressure changes the way they're doing things a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>For if not, you said in the beginning, you said

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<v Speaker 2>in the beginning, it's going to be up to the

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<v Speaker 2>to the voters to do something about it. Now I

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, I went out of my way to

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<v Speaker 2>express how they're going out of their way to be

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<v Speaker 2>you know, apolitical, right, But when it all, when it

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<v Speaker 2>all comes down to it, you cannot deny that at

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<v Speaker 2>some point it has to go back to the voters

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<v Speaker 2>and if they see that, you know, one side or

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<v Speaker 2>the other or specific folks within the judiciary are the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that are making us unsafe again in every community

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<v Speaker 2>in Hamilton County probably is on the counties nearby, because

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're you're releasing these you know, vicious criminals back

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<v Speaker 2>into society. Then then hopefully there is there is some

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<v Speaker 2>some folks that remember in in the U in the

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<v Speaker 2>time of the election. So and I'm sure and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure the the the opposing judges who want these these

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<v Speaker 2>weak judges for lack of a better term, out of

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<v Speaker 2>out of their terms will we'll we'll probably speak of

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<v Speaker 2>this and and and bring up more points. But it

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<v Speaker 2>just it has to be something the voters have to realize.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so so important. Amen have to have judges that

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<v Speaker 2>are that are going to protect.

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<v Speaker 1>Community running you know that that shouldn't be a political strife.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, running tough on crime. That's the benefit the

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<v Speaker 1>entire community, a community that I presume these judges live

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<v Speaker 1>in themselves. Dan Hill's pause, I want to bring you

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<v Speaker 1>back and ask you a couple of questions about Iris

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<v Speaker 1>Rawley and get your reaction to Victoria Parks President pro

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<v Speaker 1>tem her statement that maybe Holly deserve the beatdown more

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<v Speaker 1>with Dan Hills. Don't go away first, So cover sincy

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<v Speaker 1>a phone call that's so important that you make. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's for your healthcare, but it's also for your bottom line.

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<v Speaker 1>You can save maybe five hundred, one thousand dollars a

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<v Speaker 1>month on your medical insurance while getting better coverage. And

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<v Speaker 1>it only takes time, It does not require money. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to engage the services of covers since you

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<v Speaker 1>just give them a call, they'll do the work for

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<v Speaker 1>you with no obligation to you. They'll look at what

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<v Speaker 1>you've got right now by way of medical insurance, and

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<v Speaker 1>then having access to hundreds of medical insurance companies and

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of medical insurance policies, what they'll do is layer

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<v Speaker 1>a package of insurance policies that will provide better coverage

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<v Speaker 1>for you, including dollar one coverage. Yeah, they can deal

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<v Speaker 1>with that. Ten thousand dollars out of pocket liability you got.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good thing. But you know, catastrophic coverage, hospital coverage,

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<v Speaker 1>all that, and you pay less for better coverage. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounds good, does it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>former FOP Presidents of the City of Cincinnati Dan Hills

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<v Speaker 1>on the program. You know, Dan, I had a current

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<v Speaker 1>is to try to get Iris Rawley removed from her

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<v Speaker 1>paid consultant position because Iris is out interfering with the

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<v Speaker 1>on video doing it. A couple of times a citable offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently it is. But the police officer who was engaged

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<v Speaker 1>the other day did a really great job of de

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<v Speaker 1>escalating and telling Iris to back off, and Iris wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>given a citation. But she's been at this for a

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<v Speaker 1>while and talking about berating police, and you have familiarity

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<v Speaker 1>with Iris. Were only going back to the collaborative agreement

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<v Speaker 1>when she was originally involved and kind of came to

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<v Speaker 1>the focus in the city of Cincinnati. What's your take

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<v Speaker 1>on this? And let me interject sign the petition folks,

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<v Speaker 1>since he with hy Cincypolice dot com. We're almost at

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<v Speaker 1>the goal of five thousand signature. So Dan, what's your

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<v Speaker 1>take on Iris and what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Iris and her activy pre dates even maya time in

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<v Speaker 2>office with the FOP, the Black United Front. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it goes all the way back I believe to the

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one riots. Yeah, when the city started

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<v Speaker 2>to make deals. To be blunt, I believe that they

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<v Speaker 2>she has some sort of key to riot prevention and

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately you know that, it seems, and that's why I

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<v Speaker 2>was actually hoping you would talk to me about a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. Is that that meeting that Damon Lynch had

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<v Speaker 2>about basically put somebody white in jail, is what.

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<v Speaker 1>The thea was that was kind of indirectly accused of

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<v Speaker 1>the Prosecutor's office of racism, I think because they've indicted

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<v Speaker 1>now seven suspects for their involvement of that June twenty

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<v Speaker 1>or July twenty six feet down. But the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>slapped the other guy in the face has not been indicted,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were calling on him to be in a

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<v Speaker 1>charged with UH A violation of of inciting a riot.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, listen, it's just I'll go ahead Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean, does anybody's right minds think that he

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<v Speaker 1>incited a riot by slapping another guy? I mean, does

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<v Speaker 1>he Can you reasonably anticipate that that kind of chaos

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<v Speaker 1>was going to unfold from a slap? I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what That's why, that's why I went viral.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I said, that's the the insanity that UH

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<v Speaker 2>gets bought into is that we we've got to do

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<v Speaker 2>things that are not just to to avoid a riot,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's that's what it seems like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the politics when dealing with anything around the African American

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<v Speaker 2>community in Cincinnati. They they will appease and including hiring

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<v Speaker 2>somebody by Kirishroley who back. I had a video of

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<v Speaker 2>her going on, uh calling all these police shootings that

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<v Speaker 2>had happened around the two thousand and one perer slightly

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<v Speaker 2>before it, because remember the police intervention shooting Timothy Thomas

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the triggers of the run. But calling

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<v Speaker 2>those murders. So here you have somebody that's calling cops murderers,

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<v Speaker 2>interfering with them, like you pointed out on that stop,

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<v Speaker 2>the officer had made going out of their way to

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<v Speaker 2>cause trouble for the police, and we're painting her, so

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about counterproductive. It's just absolutely crazy. I could

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<v Speaker 2>get back an arbitration case I had involving a police

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<v Speaker 2>officer I think most of you will remember this that

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<v Speaker 2>used the N word when she was in the car

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<v Speaker 2>by herself and named Joe Mawory if he's still the

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<v Speaker 2>l EP president. He came to an arbitration case where

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<v Speaker 2>she was trying to win her job back and basically

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<v Speaker 2>told the arbiter that, well, if she gets her job back,

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<v Speaker 2>you know there's going to be a reaction or something.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, carefully worded it, but I took it to

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<v Speaker 2>mean promising uh unrest or even you know, we can

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<v Speaker 2>use the R world right if there's going And so

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I saw, was this meaning that's what I

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<v Speaker 2>see with Iris the press conference, I should should talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm trying to talk about. I mean it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's two costs there they know better. But this white

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<v Speaker 2>guy is so every I knows the slap herd around

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<v Speaker 2>the world, as I called it the social media was

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<v Speaker 2>after these folks are already been attacked, and that Damon

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<v Speaker 2>Lynch is trying to screw everybody up on the sequence

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<v Speaker 2>and and and for the slap herd around the world

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't even a slap, it was a touch. And he

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to articulate his look, if you don't back off,

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<v Speaker 2>I can I can, I can touch you too. That

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<v Speaker 2>the guy was simply trying to protect himself and protect

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<v Speaker 2>his friends, and they are doing everything they can to

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<v Speaker 2>getting locked up up. It's it's well, I don't every

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<v Speaker 2>time I get I'll never see anything crazier in this.

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<v Speaker 2>I see something like this, because this this is just

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<v Speaker 2>this is just crazy. And I know there are pressures

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<v Speaker 2>coming down towards the investigators to uh they're being shielded

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<v Speaker 2>pretty well from what I understand. But to try to

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<v Speaker 2>get them to charge this white guy who every every

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<v Speaker 2>cop that's anywhere near this case knows that he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do anything credible whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>The elements of the crime are not there, inciting right

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<v Speaker 1>there elements. There's not a crime there at best. Wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>you say, like simple assault, one guy hitting another guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Ergo, you might get arrested for punching a guy or

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<v Speaker 1>slapping a guy in the face, but that will be

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<v Speaker 1>the extent of it, wouldn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, it's not there, and there was no attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>do physical harm. And and look, Brian, if you and

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<v Speaker 2>you and Joe start punching me out, I have a

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<v Speaker 2>right to do something back, to try to protect myself.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's not an assault, that's that's self defense,

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<v Speaker 2>self defense. Yes, And so, like I said, the insanity,

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<v Speaker 2>you had to get two cops, uh, the counsel of

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<v Speaker 2>the state rep Cecil Thomas, and you had a counselman

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<v Speaker 2>Scottie Johnson there you had. It almost sounds like a

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like a joke, like these people all are

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<v Speaker 2>going you have a pastor two cops and a former

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<v Speaker 2>judge walk into a bar along with a few politicians

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<v Speaker 2>or something, and they go in there, and then and

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<v Speaker 2>then they're calling for this white dude, the white slapper

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<v Speaker 2>dude called him in social media. They want him arrested

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<v Speaker 2>on simply trying to defend himself. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's the alement people leave out now. It's amazing

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<v Speaker 1>how twisted things get. Dan Hill, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>of the time you spent my listeners with me today.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate your thoughts and insights. We'll have you back

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<v Speaker 1>on real soon. I hope. Take care of my.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks brother Steve Gooden talk about well, violence in the

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