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Speaker 2: For fifty five k r C the Talk Station.
Speaker 1: Bryan Thomas fishing everyone a happy, happy Tuesday, and welcoming
Speaker 1: back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show former FOP
Speaker 1: President Dan Hills, who's with Frontline Advisors now to chime
Speaker 1: in on the Hamilton County police chiefs looking for some
Speaker 1: reform and the judicial practices here in Hamilton County. Welcome back,
Speaker 1: Dan Hill's always a pleasure having you on the show.
Speaker 2: Brian has been far too long, my friends. I think
Speaker 2: you are well.
Speaker 1: You're with Frontline Advocates. Remind my listeners what you've been
Speaker 1: up to since you stepped down as FOP president.
Speaker 2: Well, I do work part time for a local department,
Speaker 2: but I don't I don't think they want any part
Speaker 2: of my politics, so to speak. But I work. I
Speaker 2: do what we call auxiliary work in hamm County, they
Speaker 2: call special deputies. But I do a lot of it's
Speaker 2: it's a more it's more like security than it is
Speaker 2: UH of police work. I uh watch over a lot
Speaker 2: of synagogues and I might give away the community, but
Speaker 2: they'll do that Hebrew school stuff like that. But I
Speaker 2: work uh frontline advisors. I work alongside attorneys that that
Speaker 2: represent police unions like Middletown, Fairfield, Mason and also Corrections
Speaker 2: Union Speller County, hamm County Corrections as well. So I'm
Speaker 2: doing a little bit of the same stuff I did
Speaker 2: as the FOP president. I'll represent at the predisciplinary hearings
Speaker 2: and things of that nature, other other meetings with maybe
Speaker 2: if they're being investigated, or sit down with the chief
Speaker 2: or assistant chief about the stuff. So I handle things
Speaker 2: that don't necessarily need an attorney.
Speaker 1: So fair enough, like an expert opinion. Having experienced this
Speaker 1: from the perspective a law enforcement officer and former union leader,
Speaker 1: get all that all right? Well, in your capacity is
Speaker 1: a former law enforcement officer and union leader for the
Speaker 1: insint Police Department, what's your reaction? I understand the Hamilton
Speaker 1: County police chiefs got together the other day to try
Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on and try to come
Speaker 1: up with a solution, and they're going to call in
Speaker 1: a roundtable within the month judges, magistrates, prosecutors, elected officials
Speaker 1: to talk about this. They seem to have concluded the
Speaker 1: problem lies with the judicial branch here in Hamilton County
Speaker 1: that you can have tough on law enforcement police officers
Speaker 1: doing their job and arresting bad guys for committing crimes.
Speaker 1: You can take them to County Pillot in the prosecutor's office,
Speaker 1: and she can have all the evidence in the world
Speaker 1: and present it and make bond recommendations and sentencing recommendations.
Speaker 1: But it's ultimately up to the judge to conclude how
Speaker 1: much the bond's going to be and what the sentence
Speaker 1: is going to be. And we have a lot of judges,
Speaker 1: notably like Judge Samantha Silverstein, who doesn't really believe in
Speaker 1: bonds and lets people out on their own recognizance otherwise
Speaker 1: doesn't sentence people harshly for even crimes involving guns. There's
Speaker 1: nothing we can really do about that, is there? We
Speaker 1: need to vote better in the elections. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: kind of have our hands tied, don't we.
Speaker 2: Dan We do, but you kind of covered what the
Speaker 2: letter says. What I can do is a little deeper
Speaker 2: dive into what it is they're doing. It's first off,
Speaker 2: this is a group that goes out of its way.
Speaker 2: It prides itself on being a political They are not.
Speaker 2: They don't have ours or d's next to their name.
Speaker 2: They don't jump in and try to promote one party
Speaker 2: over another. They want to stay out of politics. They're
Speaker 2: simply about enforcing the law and serving they're public. Because
Speaker 2: each and every one of these police chiefs, however many
Speaker 2: there are in hamiletegam And, I think the number somewhere
Speaker 2: around forty, each and every one of them has a
Speaker 2: community that they're responsible for. It's their community. It doesn't
Speaker 2: matter if Cincinnati, if it is Dell High, if it's Madeira,
Speaker 2: they all have a community that they are responsible for.
Speaker 2: And they're seeing that they cannot properly protect their community
Speaker 2: because of this weak link in the justice system. Their
Speaker 2: cops are going out there, they're locking up the bad guys,
Speaker 2: they're catching the bad guys, they're bringing them before the prosecutor.
Speaker 2: The prosecutor, like you said, is prosecuting, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, you know, over just the last handful of years,
Speaker 2: you have judges that are just completely dropping the ball,
Speaker 2: not only with sentencing but with bonds. And so if
Speaker 2: bad guys violent bad guys. We're not talking about petty
Speaker 2: theft suspects or disorderly conducts up there. We're talking about
Speaker 2: aggravated robberies, flown the assaults that these people are are
Speaker 2: walking in and walking out the door. It means that
Speaker 2: the people in their community. And again this is this
Speaker 2: is anywhere in ham To County you are being affected
Speaker 2: by this. You can you can live in a small village,
Speaker 2: a township, the city itself. You all are being affected
Speaker 2: by the fact that there are judges that just don't
Speaker 2: see the criminal process as it's been seen for decades before.
Speaker 2: And that's where the chiefs are getting together and saying,
Speaker 2: we know that some people are don't say that we're
Speaker 2: jumping into the politics. That's not what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2: We're trying to we're trying to set off you know
Speaker 2: a lot of the warnings signals saying that folks are
Speaker 2: not going to be safe if we continue down this path.
Speaker 2: So you talked about the within thirty days is what
Speaker 2: the letter says. They're going to have this round table
Speaker 2: discussion and they're going to invite the judges and the
Speaker 2: prosecutors and they'll make sure they buy it in by
Speaker 2: judges from both sides of the political side, of both
Speaker 2: both sides of the politics, and the prosecutors, and they're
Speaker 2: they're going to talk about this and how it's affecting
Speaker 2: their communities, and they they want answers, they want more
Speaker 2: transparent parancy. It's like, what do you use your honor
Speaker 2: to decide a bail? Do you have data? Do you
Speaker 2: do you always give you know, a higher bail if
Speaker 2: a B and C you know, pass sentencing repeat repeat offenders,
Speaker 2: because that's when you know, that's where when you really
Speaker 2: should you know, start to get the message that maybe
Speaker 2: this person is going to be found guilty of what
Speaker 2: it is they arrested for because they've been found guilty
Speaker 2: of it three more three other times. Maybe there there
Speaker 2: is a resistance, uh to to be civilized and uh
Speaker 2: and follow the laws of the state and and and
Speaker 2: the wishes of the community. And so this is when
Speaker 2: the bonds should be rising, and this is when the
Speaker 2: sentencing should be stronger. But what are you using your
Speaker 2: honor in your assessment, in your decision making to to
Speaker 2: to come up with a proper sentence in this in
Speaker 2: this case or these case. And that's that that's what
Speaker 2: they're there. They're they're also looking up for their cops
Speaker 2: still not only their system, but they're looking out for
Speaker 2: their cops because their copts are going out there risking
Speaker 2: their lives uh and and busting their rears and and
Speaker 2: coming up with in the end UH no worthwhile result
Speaker 2: because within within hours, day days at the most, they're
Speaker 2: walking out on a on a low or no bond,
Speaker 2: and then when it comes time around for them to
Speaker 2: get in the sentenced, they're they're sentenced the next to nothing.
Speaker 2: So they see the frustration in their officers. They're concerned
Speaker 2: for their their their safety, and concern for their morale
Speaker 2: and but ultimately they're there to serve the citizens. And
Speaker 2: this is the trying our deciszens by by calling this meeting,
Speaker 2: well call the round table, calling the meeting.
Speaker 1: And I suppose who actually chooses to show up or
Speaker 1: not will be indicative of how much they care about
Speaker 1: the issue or not. I mean, I can't imagine in
Speaker 1: spite of getting a direct invitation that Judge Samantha Silverstein,
Speaker 1: who apparently has been earmarked or identified as one of
Speaker 1: the weakest judges when it comes to bond and sentencing.
Speaker 1: I doubt she's going to show up. And if she does,
Speaker 1: she'lld just regurgitate what the general sentencing guidelines are and
Speaker 1: say I work within those and it's entirely up to them.
Speaker 1: It's in the judge's discretion on how much bond should be,
Speaker 1: her sentencing should be. So in the final analysis, we
Speaker 1: have a record which shows what the bonds and sentencings are,
Speaker 1: and we have a judge who would parrot what the
Speaker 1: sentencing guidelines suggests she should take into consideration. But in
Speaker 1: the final analysis it ends up being a slap on
Speaker 1: the risk. That's what we've got. So the sheriffs are
Speaker 1: serving a valuable purpose in shining a light on where
Speaker 1: the failure is, and that's the judicial branch. No one's
Speaker 1: pointing a finger at Connie Pillot's for not prosecuting. No
Speaker 1: one's pointing a finger at the police for not arresting people.
Speaker 1: They're pointing a finger and shining a light for the
Speaker 1: world to see that it's the judicial branch. So I
Speaker 1: think it's a helpful exercise, even though I really don't
Speaker 1: think it's going to bear fruit.
Speaker 2: Dan, Well, you know, I guess the hope is either
Speaker 2: enough pressure changes the way they're doing things a little bit.
Speaker 2: For if not, you said in the beginning, you said
Speaker 2: in the beginning, it's going to be up to the
Speaker 2: to the voters to do something about it. Now I
Speaker 2: like I said, I went out of my way to
Speaker 2: express how they're going out of their way to be
Speaker 2: you know, apolitical, right, But when it all, when it
Speaker 2: all comes down to it, you cannot deny that at
Speaker 2: some point it has to go back to the voters
Speaker 2: and if they see that, you know, one side or
Speaker 2: the other or specific folks within the judiciary are the
Speaker 2: ones that are making us unsafe again in every community
Speaker 2: in Hamilton County probably is on the counties nearby, because
Speaker 2: you're you're you're releasing these you know, vicious criminals back
Speaker 2: into society. Then then hopefully there is there is some
Speaker 2: some folks that remember in in the U in the
Speaker 2: time of the election. So and I'm sure and I'm
Speaker 2: sure the the the opposing judges who want these these
Speaker 2: weak judges for lack of a better term, out of
Speaker 2: out of their terms will we'll we'll probably speak of
Speaker 2: this and and and bring up more points. But it
Speaker 2: just it has to be something the voters have to realize.
Speaker 2: It's so so important. Amen have to have judges that
Speaker 2: are that are going to protect.
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Speaker 1: I mean, running tough on crime. That's the benefit the
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Speaker 1: Fifty five KOCD talk station Happy Tuesday, Ron Thomas with
Speaker 1: former FOP Presidents of the City of Cincinnati Dan Hills
Speaker 1: on the program. You know, Dan, I had a current
Speaker 1: president Ken Cover run yesterday circulating a petition The FOP
Speaker 1: is to try to get Iris Rawley removed from her
Speaker 1: paid consultant position because Iris is out interfering with the
Speaker 1: police officer's enforcement of the law, and they've got her
Speaker 1: on video doing it. A couple of times a citable offense.
Speaker 1: Apparently it is. But the police officer who was engaged
Speaker 1: the other day did a really great job of de
Speaker 1: escalating and telling Iris to back off, and Iris wasn't
Speaker 1: given a citation. But she's been at this for a
Speaker 1: while and talking about berating police, and you have familiarity
Speaker 1: with Iris. Were only going back to the collaborative agreement
Speaker 1: when she was originally involved and kind of came to
Speaker 1: the focus in the city of Cincinnati. What's your take
Speaker 1: on this? And let me interject sign the petition folks,
Speaker 1: since he with hy Cincypolice dot com. We're almost at
Speaker 1: the goal of five thousand signature. So Dan, what's your
Speaker 1: take on Iris and what's going on?
Speaker 2: Iris and her activy pre dates even maya time in
Speaker 2: office with the FOP, the Black United Front. You know,
Speaker 2: it goes all the way back I believe to the
Speaker 2: two thousand and one riots. Yeah, when the city started
Speaker 2: to make deals. To be blunt, I believe that they
Speaker 2: she has some sort of key to riot prevention and
Speaker 2: unfortunately you know that, it seems, and that's why I
Speaker 2: was actually hoping you would talk to me about a
Speaker 2: little bit. Is that that meeting that Damon Lynch had
Speaker 2: about basically put somebody white in jail, is what.
Speaker 1: The thea was that was kind of indirectly accused of
Speaker 1: the Prosecutor's office of racism, I think because they've indicted
Speaker 1: now seven suspects for their involvement of that June twenty
Speaker 1: or July twenty six feet down. But the guy who
Speaker 1: slapped the other guy in the face has not been indicted,
Speaker 1: but they were calling on him to be in a
Speaker 1: charged with UH A violation of of inciting a riot.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, it's just I'll go ahead Brown.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, does anybody's right minds think that he
Speaker 1: incited a riot by slapping another guy? I mean, does
Speaker 1: he Can you reasonably anticipate that that kind of chaos
Speaker 1: was going to unfold from a slap? I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what That's why, that's why I went viral.
Speaker 2: That's why I said, that's the the insanity that UH
Speaker 2: gets bought into is that we we've got to do
Speaker 2: things that are not just to to avoid a riot,
Speaker 2: because that's that's what it seems like a lot of
Speaker 2: the politics when dealing with anything around the African American
Speaker 2: community in Cincinnati. They they will appease and including hiring
Speaker 2: somebody by Kirishroley who back. I had a video of
Speaker 2: her going on, uh calling all these police shootings that
Speaker 2: had happened around the two thousand and one perer slightly
Speaker 2: before it, because remember the police intervention shooting Timothy Thomas
Speaker 2: was one of the triggers of the run. But calling
Speaker 2: those murders. So here you have somebody that's calling cops murderers,
Speaker 2: interfering with them, like you pointed out on that stop,
Speaker 2: the officer had made going out of their way to
Speaker 2: cause trouble for the police, and we're painting her, so
Speaker 2: you're talking about counterproductive. It's just absolutely crazy. I could
Speaker 2: get back an arbitration case I had involving a police
Speaker 2: officer I think most of you will remember this that
Speaker 2: used the N word when she was in the car
Speaker 2: by herself and named Joe Mawory if he's still the
Speaker 2: l EP president. He came to an arbitration case where
Speaker 2: she was trying to win her job back and basically
Speaker 2: told the arbiter that, well, if she gets her job back,
Speaker 2: you know there's going to be a reaction or something.
Speaker 2: You know, carefully worded it, but I took it to
Speaker 2: mean promising uh unrest or even you know, we can
Speaker 2: use the R world right if there's going And so
Speaker 2: that's what I saw, was this meaning that's what I
Speaker 2: see with Iris the press conference, I should should talk about.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to talk about. I mean it,
Speaker 2: it's two costs there they know better. But this white
Speaker 2: guy is so every I knows the slap herd around
Speaker 2: the world, as I called it the social media was
Speaker 2: after these folks are already been attacked, and that Damon
Speaker 2: Lynch is trying to screw everybody up on the sequence
Speaker 2: and and and for the slap herd around the world
Speaker 2: wasn't even a slap, it was a touch. And he
Speaker 2: was trying to articulate his look, if you don't back off,
Speaker 2: I can I can, I can touch you too. That
Speaker 2: the guy was simply trying to protect himself and protect
Speaker 2: his friends, and they are doing everything they can to
Speaker 2: getting locked up up. It's it's well, I don't every
Speaker 2: time I get I'll never see anything crazier in this.
Speaker 2: I see something like this, because this this is just
Speaker 2: this is just crazy. And I know there are pressures
Speaker 2: coming down towards the investigators to uh they're being shielded
Speaker 2: pretty well from what I understand. But to try to
Speaker 2: get them to charge this white guy who every every
Speaker 2: cop that's anywhere near this case knows that he didn't
Speaker 2: do anything credible whatsoever.
Speaker 1: The elements of the crime are not there, inciting right
Speaker 1: there elements. There's not a crime there at best. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: you say, like simple assault, one guy hitting another guy.
Speaker 2: You can't do that.
Speaker 1: Ergo, you might get arrested for punching a guy or
Speaker 1: slapping a guy in the face, but that will be
Speaker 1: the extent of it, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2: Again, it's not there, and there was no attempt to
Speaker 2: do physical harm. And and look, Brian, if you and
Speaker 2: you and Joe start punching me out, I have a
Speaker 2: right to do something back, to try to protect myself.
Speaker 2: And so that's not an assault, that's that's self defense,
Speaker 2: self defense. Yes, And so, like I said, the insanity,
Speaker 2: you had to get two cops, uh, the counsel of
Speaker 2: the state rep Cecil Thomas, and you had a counselman
Speaker 2: Scottie Johnson there you had. It almost sounds like a
Speaker 2: It sounds like a joke, like these people all are
Speaker 2: going you have a pastor two cops and a former
Speaker 2: judge walk into a bar along with a few politicians
Speaker 2: or something, and they go in there, and then and
Speaker 2: then they're calling for this white dude, the white slapper
Speaker 2: dude called him in social media. They want him arrested
Speaker 2: on simply trying to defend himself. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Well that's the alement people leave out now. It's amazing
Speaker 1: how twisted things get. Dan Hill, thank you so much
Speaker 1: of the time you spent my listeners with me today.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your thoughts and insights. We'll have you back
Speaker 1: on real soon. I hope. Take care of my.
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