WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:05.719 Colin. 2 00:00:05.799 --> 00:00:32.399 All be as y'all Kenner Dad. 3 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:35.159 In Minna. 4 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:43.920 Nobody called golf station. Bring me everybody, I'm your host. 5 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:49.280 He didn't, so glad to be back with the OG homies, 6 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:51.719 and we about to introduce him right here. 7 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:55.960 We got two to three backstage third ones having Internet issues. 8 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.240 He's the co creator of this damn joint. So we'll 9 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:01.759 get to him when he gets here. But I'll tell 10 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:05.120 you what it's been like three months since we have 11 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:10.359 talked UAP related issues, which this one is a little 12 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:15.840 preview there for you, But I'll tell you what we're 13 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:18.159 gonna bring that. We're gonna bring the ladies on the 14 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:21.000 Ogs of calling all beings who none of you have 15 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:24.640 met yet. They are brilliant ladies who I am extremely, 16 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:29.959 extremely proud to be associated with. So with that, let's 17 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:33.319 all look at the Adam Dear. We're gonna say hi 18 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:35.439 to everybody in the chat. But I got to get 19 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:39.079 my homies up in the joint first. So this young 20 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:42.560 lady is one of the original gangsters of CAB. I 21 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:46.079 think we might have done maybe two or three episodes 22 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:49.879 before she joined us, now very many and she became 23 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:56.239 the chief researcher of CAB. This woman deals with folks 24 00:01:56.280 --> 00:02:01.319 as a therapist and she is just a wonderful human 25 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:06.560 being who has done academic research for several years on 26 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:09.599 this topic. So you know what to do. You know 27 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:12.879 what to do. Party, people, put your hands together for 28 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:14.560 a study of UAPs. 29 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:28.000 Hello everybody, Hi, Amen. 30 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:35.639 Thank you, dem Welcome back, buddy. I I do I do, 31 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:39.360 I miss everything about you. I mean I just was 32 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:41.479 telling you backstage and said, oh man, I want to 33 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:44.680 see your face. It's been so long. Let's bring on 34 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:50.840 our homegirl. Okay, this young lady right here, we have good? 35 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:54.599 Is that? Okay? We good? Okay? Uh, And then we're 36 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:56.280 going to say hi to everybody in the chat. So 37 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:58.960 that's kind of become a cap thing that we do 38 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:03.919 because they're extremely supportive of us. So this young lady 39 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.759 right here is the latest to join the CAB troupe. 40 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:11.599 She is also a researcher and investigator. She has done 41 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:16.719 not one, two missing persons investigations in terms of true crime, 42 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:21.080 and she gets calls from all over the world regarding 43 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:25.120 UAP research. Most recently, she was invited to the sole 44 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:28.199 conference out there in California, which a lot of us 45 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:31.479 would have wanted to be invited to, but this young 46 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:34.960 lady was because she dope with hell some party people. 47 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:39.639 Put your hands together from my home girl, Courtney Connecto. 48 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.319 Canna get the man for Courtney? 49 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:55.719 Yeah, heymen, Hey guys, Hey guys. Oh my god, it's 50 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:56.759 so good to be back. 51 00:03:56.879 --> 00:03:58.000 I missed you so much. 52 00:03:58.280 --> 00:03:59.960 It's good to be back with the Cavy crew. 53 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:03.080 I miss you too, man, I miss you too. We 54 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:05.360 got a lot of new friends that you guys aren't 55 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:07.439 aware of, so I'm gonna try to just go down 56 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:10.080 these because we got new mods and everything. So while 57 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:12.400 we're waiting for Nathan, who is the co creator of 58 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:14.759 Calling All Beings, we're gonna say hi to some people. 59 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:18.439 So I'm gonna start off with this young lady who 60 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:21.120 is here first of all Jewles. You guys know Jewels 61 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:25.000 because she's the OD of our four person moderator team. Now, 62 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:28.720 so yeah, I know we need the applause just for this, 63 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:29.839 but I can't work this. 64 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:38.079 Uh all right, party pill right here, the man that 65 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.800 you are seeing up in the right hand, upper right 66 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:44.000 hand corner of your screen with a new hairstyle that's 67 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:45.480 freaking me out because. 68 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:48.279 He did not prepare me for this. He did not 69 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:52.759 say anything to me about a new and more mature hairstyle. 70 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:57.879 This man right here has a master's in divinity. He 71 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:02.680 is a brilliant speaker, thing an analysts and orator on 72 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:08.040 the nature of reality and UAPs. He's somebody I'm proud 73 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:10.959 to call my brother. So everybody please put your hands 74 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:14.199 together for the man that we call because every word 75 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:24.040 comes out of his mouth's money, money, wow. Wow. Look, 76 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:25.120 I'm really sorry everybody. 77 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:29.399 I've had the most often our of technical difficulties. But 78 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:31.720 it's great to be here. Forget all the technical technical 79 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:33.560 difficulties that don't matter. It's good to be here, going 80 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:35.160 to be with y'all. Looking forward to talking about this. 81 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:38.040 Oh my god, I'm so excited for the people to 82 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:40.319 meet you. So we are going to Oh man, somebody 83 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:42.879 got a membership. What have we got here? Oh, we 84 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:46.160 have a new member that is Adam So I'm going 85 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:50.199 on this gentleman show tomorrow night to talk UAPs. And 86 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:54.560 his name is Adam Uh and he as the owner 87 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:58.279 operator of Lampirate Radio and he's also he kind of 88 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:03.439 does tech for other online entities. And he is a 89 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:05.920 one I had a phone call with him. He is 90 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:10.079 a wonderful conversationalist. So assuming my voice holds up, and 91 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:12.519 it will, I will be on tomorrow night with Adam 92 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:14.480 to talk to you a piece. So thank you Adam 93 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:18.399 for becoming a member, and I must stay. We want 94 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:20.560 to say to some people in the chat, so before 95 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:23.279 we get started with this joint, so I am going 96 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:26.040 to do that so that you guys can meet a 97 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:28.560 whole bunch of new people that have joined the Cab family. 98 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:32.399 So I'm gonna start off here with Ernie Birdie. Ernie 99 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:36.079 Birdie is also a mod on several channels. She's also 100 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:40.560 a colorading like myself, and obviously she's interested to hear 101 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:45.920 what's going on. So it's up, Ernie Birdie. This young 102 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:48.519 lady right here is one of our new mods. She 103 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:52.639 is from Illinois, got the cool Illinois accent. And this 104 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:58.000 is miss Jessica m b ip homie. How you doing? 105 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.399 We know the jewels. Let's see who else we got here. 106 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:07.319 DeMar is another one of our friends from a Free 107 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:10.839 Karen Read Nation. Hello be Matt. So we're just we're 108 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:12.639 not going to pronounce they are there, Okay, Nathan, is 109 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:14.879 that okay faye with me? Okay? 110 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:16.879 Uh? 111 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:21.319 And this young lady right here has done some help 112 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:25.079 for me in terms of programming and helped me out 113 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:27.959 to kind of make decisions on different themes for the 114 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.759 show and so forth. And uh, this is in the 115 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.879 voice of Jennifer McCabe, who is the antagonist in the 116 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:39.160 the Karen Ree Trial. And it's Sarah Shock and Jara. 117 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:48.160 So let's see. I think we already got Adam. I 118 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:52.279 think that might be if there's anyone else. Oh, Donna, 119 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:54.959 how are you? I don't think Deanna, I think you've 120 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.079 been Yeah, it's been a while. Yeah, i've seen you here. 121 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:01.680 Hello Deanna, Welcome and with a K stop home girl, 122 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:07.480 Happy Tuesday. And Patty Murphy, Hello, Patty? Are you all right? 123 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:07.800 Love? 124 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:11.439 So there may be some accents tonight. And here it 125 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:14.639 is this guy we got to do special here, so 126 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:17.360 oh it's Boo all right. So Ken's asleep. Here we go. 127 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:22.399 So it's Ken nothing and Ken Hathaway's little white from 128 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:28.439 Nottingham Ing and so there you go. Hey, no boom, welcome, 129 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.879 all right. I think we got everybody. So let's get 130 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:38.120 started with the joint Nathan take it away, man, get 131 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:40.240 us start, and then you know who to pass it to. 132 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:42.759 Yes, all right. Well, first of all, it's going to 133 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:45.000 be back together. It's been a long time. I want 134 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.440 to give a huge shout out to my brother DJ 135 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:50.559 over here for holding down the ford and doing his thing. 136 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:51.039 Yeah. 137 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:55.080 Man, you that's you, the host with the most doing that. 138 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:58.039 I can to see you so religiously and effectively. Really 139 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.519 appreciate the work that you've done in that. But it's 140 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:02.919 great to be back with all the other co hosts here, 141 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:05.480 Dev and Courtney. We've got a lot to talk about. 142 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:10.399 Drones are on the menu, and I wasn't expecting to 143 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:12.799 have drones for dinner, but that's what we're doing. We're 144 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:14.840 doing drones for dinner. I hope you like the medium 145 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:19.519 rare because that's how we're serving them. A lot of 146 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:21.639 drones right now. For those of who don't know, we 147 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:23.000 do like to cut up on the show a little bit. 148 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:24.480 So there are a lot of drone talk, a lot 149 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:27.360 of drone conversations happening right now in a lot of 150 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:30.679 different spaces within the UFO community. Certainly there's a lot 151 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:34.360 of interest in this topic, but just at large in America, 152 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:38.679 it seems right now this is becoming a conversation piece. 153 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:40.840 And I know that for a fact, because people who 154 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:43.200 don't follow UFOs at all have just brought this up 155 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:47.039 to me without me prompting anything about UFOs, that don't 156 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:48.879 even know that i'd talk about UFOs, and they just 157 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.120 bring this up as what are your thoughts on these 158 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.000 new Jersey drones? Right So this is definitely in the 159 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:56.279 minds of a lot of Americans right now, and not 160 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:59.240 just Americans, apparently we're seeing drones in lots of places 161 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:04.559 throughout the world. So I wanted to approach this subject. 162 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:09.080 We've got a lot of really good insights on the 163 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:11.240 panel that we have here, so we each bring a 164 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.879 little bit something different to the table, and so I 165 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:17.159 was hoping we kind of step through this subject through 166 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:21.279 some different frameworks, and you know, we've we've all got 167 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:23.679 different perspectives on it, and I'm sure some of us 168 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:26.440 can talk to multiple frameworks at once, which is great 169 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:29.679 as well. But I want to start with the kind 170 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:33.279 of prosaic explanations and DJ, I want to go to 171 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:37.559 you first, because yes, yes, you, because you've got a 172 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:40.720 lot of expertise on what's in the sky, how to 173 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.480 identify what's in the sky, and you've seen a lot 174 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:45.759 of these videos that get posted probably more than you 175 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:48.120 care to see, and just you have a lot of 176 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:51.080 experience knowing what to look for when you're looking for, 177 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:53.440 you know, things that are flying around, and so I 178 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:56.159 wanted to get your take on what on the prosaic 179 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:59.600 explanations for these objects? What are things that you look 180 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:01.759 for when you when you see someone share a video. 181 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:03.559 What's the first kind of thing that you start doing 182 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.559 is you analyze that video and how do you approach 183 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:08.960 this from from the from the vantage point of your 184 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:10.240 air force experience. 185 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:13.600 Yeah, so the first thing I kind of look for 186 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:16.960 is like the I'll ask them, uh, if there's a 187 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:21.000 sound associated with it, and if there's no sound, then 188 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:23.279 that that's one indicator. And then of course we would 189 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:25.600 need to kind of know the range and altitude. So 190 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:28.080 if it's something that they have a really clear view 191 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:30.919 on them, Let's say it's you know, ifout a thousand 192 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.639 feet or maybe even up to two three thousand feet, 193 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:36.720 you know, you you you potentially would hear an audible 194 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:40.960 sound potentially depending upon how large the object is, and 195 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:43.240 then that would kind of ask them. The light patterns 196 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:45.639 are really interesting because I would kind of want to 197 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:48.960 look at what what the light patterns are in terms 198 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:53.240 of uh, there's a timing associated with the anti collision strokes, 199 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:58.639 the red and the white, so you know, they'll blink blink, blink, blink, blink, blink, blink, 200 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:03.039 blink blink. Now they can get slightly out of timing, 201 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:07.200 but there's still pretty consistent blink, blink, blink, that sort 202 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.159 of thing. The NAB lights are on the wingtips, but 203 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:11.879 the anti collision lights are usually are top and bottom. 204 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:18.480 So with that, with that, I kind of look at 205 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.039 those things. So now now that I've heard, okay, is 206 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:23.759 their noise, isn't their noise? What does the lighting pattern 207 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:27.519 look like? Is it dissimilar from what the FA requires 208 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:31.879 on aircraft and obviously drones also require like anti collision lights. 209 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:35.080 Then the next thing I'd be looking for is are 210 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:38.240 they making movements? It doesn't have to be fast movements, 211 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:42.759 but are they making movements in right angles up, down, left, 212 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:45.960 right type of movements? Those would be the types of 213 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.200 things that I would look for. And if they're if 214 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:54.159 they're making right angles, especially that are very let's say linear, 215 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:57.080 you know, where there's not a lot of drift associated 216 00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:59.679 with with that. You know, like if if a drone 217 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:02.080 is coming down and it kind of starts to go 218 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:04.919 like that, you know, and it'll sort of level off 219 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.320 and they Okay, I can see some mechanical propulsion there, 220 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:11.759 you know, because mechanical propulsion are things when they're close 221 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:13.879 enough for things that we can hear, you know, we 222 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:17.000 can hear jet engines, we can hear propellers, and we 223 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:19.480 can even hear the rotor wash on these quad copters 224 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:22.720 or even these octocopters you know that have have eight 225 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:26.240 eight eight motors, et cetera. And so if they're moving 226 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:28.919 in a very linear fashion, whether it's fast or not, 227 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:31.480 then I start to that starts to think, well, this 228 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.519 could be an amalost and particularly if they if they 229 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:36.039 move at a very high rate of speed. 230 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:43.039 So, and if you we get a lot of cell 231 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:48.480 phone video footage, right, and I think it's natural for 232 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:50.440 anybody that sees something strange in the sky, if they're 233 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:52.639 really interested in it, they're going to grab their cell phone. 234 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:55.279 That's that everybody's got one. We've all got the building 235 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:58.600 cord video and they're they're capturing these videos. And a 236 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:02.039 lot of times the cell phone footage is it's a 237 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:06.720 little bit distorted, right, And so when you see footage 238 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:10.360 like that where let's say it looks just like a 239 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:14.480 bright light. You know what's going through your mind looking 240 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:17.159 at footage? Do you just sort of say I need 241 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:19.440 to see more, Like that's not convincing enough, there's not 242 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:24.120 enough resolution. I love how you talk about the flight 243 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:27.799 behavior because typically, like you say, planes would have a 244 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.879 kind of a linear gliding kind of motion. They they 245 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:34.840 just don't go up and down like this or make 246 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:37.559 right hand turns. But when it comes to these videos 247 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:41.519 and even photographs, how do you kind of examine that 248 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:47.399 quote unquote evidence knowing what you know about nighttime the visualizations. 249 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:50.240 So the first thing, you know, you're looking at those 250 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:53.159 because we can't we and may not have the audio 251 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:55.279 because you know, you're just going off of whatever the 252 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:59.480 microphone is capturing with their cellular phone, so that may 253 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:02.639 not be you know, have enough you know, uh, be 254 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:05.960 able to attenuate and and get that that that sound 255 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:09.200 in there, So I may not have that sometimes, uh. 256 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:12.279 And so then I'm gonna look at what the light does. 257 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:17.720 The lighting look very dissimilar from what I would associate 258 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:23.679 with prosaic aircraft FAA certified aerial vehicles. So if I 259 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:26.519 start seeing weird light patterns, like there was that one 260 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.720 where it had the triangular light pattern on the bottom, 261 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:33.799 and I found that to be anomalous or strange to 262 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.000 me because I've not seen craft that have that. Is 263 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.320 it possible to have that on the bottom of the drone. 264 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:41.840 It's possible that that it could it could be that 265 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:45.759 and and there. The resolution isn't enough to see both 266 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:51.039 the sort of structure of the craft and then associate 267 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:54.879 that to the lights. But we have all seen And 268 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:56.799 when I say we all, I don't mean you all 269 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:59.879 in the in the chat, but I mean the folks 270 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.279 that are on the panel here have looked at hundreds 271 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:06.080 and hundreds of videos and so when they see that, 272 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:09.600 that would that triangular pattern is something that we've heard 273 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:12.799 reported a lot, uh and has been alluded to. I'm 274 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:16.120 sure Courtney, Dad, you know they have seen these. So yeah, 275 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.799 that's kind of that's the start of what I'm looking 276 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.440 for in terms of lighting is Oh, that doesn't look 277 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:27.480 like typical light. Oh my god, Sarah Shochnherr. Wow, thank 278 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:31.799 you very much, ma'am. I must say, my friend, I 279 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:36.440 really appreciate that is extremely generous of you and probably 280 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:40.039 is the biggest donation we've ever received. Thank you very much, ma'am. 281 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:43.120 I appreciate it, and I'll be talking to you us soon. 282 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:44.720 We got to get you on the show to co host. 283 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:46.759 I think we've talked about that recently. 284 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:51.240 Anyway, please to send it our way and kind of 285 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:53.639 piggybacking on that, did I want to go to Courtney 286 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:56.759 and deb on their thoughts on this. So you guys, 287 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:58.600 like he just said, we've all seen a lot of 288 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:02.159 footage and a lot of you know, different speculation about 289 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.279 what's happening, and you know, how do you look at 290 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:08.279 that through the lens of a researcher, through someone who 291 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:11.160 examining that this content? How do you filter out the 292 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:13.359 signal from the noise when it comes to this kind 293 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:14.519 of footage. 294 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:17.440 Go ahead, dev I'm gonna let one of us, do 295 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:21.880 you go. I'm differ You're one of the original CAB members, 296 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:23.400 so I'll wait my turn. 297 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:29.920 Okay. So obviously, as a researcher, what I do as 298 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:32.680 I research, like that's what I'm interested in. So of 299 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:35.119 course I went into the research of what's going on 300 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:38.920 with these drones. We had already seen stories from the 301 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:42.559 war zone about it. Lou Alesando told us that basically 302 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:46.839 objects were swarming over ships, but there were some things 303 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:52.279 that people in the media kind of ignored. So, for instance, 304 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:57.480 San Diego County in California has been reporting drones the 305 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:01.559 Nebraska incident in two thousand and nineteen to twenty twenty. 306 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:05.720 Also around this time of year, there was an incident 307 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:11.720 where a drone landed on a ship and was retrieved. Like, 308 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:15.240 that's crazy that people are ignoring some of the facts 309 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:19.720 related to this, that this is an ongoing issue, even 310 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:23.000 some of the reporting that's happened from the White House. 311 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:25.440 I went back and did a little bit more research 312 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:29.079 and found out, you know, the person I think his 313 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:32.240 name is Kirby, he actually reneged on some of the 314 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:35.119 comments he made in that press release and said, actually, 315 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:39.119 I said many of the objects have been identified, but 316 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:43.559 in fact some of them have not been identified yet. 317 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:48.599 And I listened to the Pentagon press release and they've 318 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:52.559 said that there are a variety of things happening. But yes, 319 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.920 there are in fact drones that are flying around our bases. 320 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:01.880 In fact, someone was recently arrested of a Chinese national 321 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:06.319 is what they called him, after surveying a base. So 322 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:09.559 that's where my approach is it's not so much in 323 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:11.599 looking at pictures because they're terrible. 324 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:12.400 We all know this. 325 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:16.799 Phones can't take good pictures, but we know that our 326 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:21.000 government satellites can take great pictures. So no one's buying that. 327 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:24.200 They don't know what's going on or what these are. 328 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:29.839 But I find it super interesting how little the governor 329 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:33.640 of New Jersey has spoken about it. Soon someone's probably 330 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:36.720 tipped him off on some of that information. I have 331 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:38.319 a lot to say on this, but I'm gonna let 332 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:40.720 Courtney take her turn. Courtney, what do you want to 333 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:43.359 say about what do we do when we're looking at 334 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:44.039 this information? 335 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:48.759 Well, I think that's the classic problem. I mean for 336 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.119 those of us who have been in research groups. I mean, 337 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:53.880 I'm you know, I've been involved in several research groups 338 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:56.000 for a long time. The one i'm in now that 339 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:58.039 i'm in locally, I've been in for a few years 340 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:01.440 called UFOs in Alaska. So it's all the people around 341 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:05.160 Alaska that upload photos and you know, all their local 342 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:09.720 weird lights and strange anomalies from all over and anybody 343 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:12.119 who's been in the field and UFOs know that Alaska 344 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:16.400 has a really rich history of anomalous objects. Including the 345 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:22.480 famous case with the Japanese airliner right over anchorage. So yeah, 346 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.839 and that was a classic case. So we're really used 347 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:28.319 to it. But we get all the time photos and 348 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:33.039 videos and there's a lot of researchers that just immediately category, 349 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:38.039 you know, categorically deny you know, photos, which is interesting 350 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:40.519 because you know, you have to be at this for 351 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:44.440 a long time looking at photos and videos and have 352 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:47.200 the five observables, right. It was good. That was one 353 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:49.920 of the good things that came out, and some of 354 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:53.880 the communication was about the five observables six now we have, 355 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:56.720 so I think that people who've been in the field 356 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:58.400 for a long time are looking at a lot of 357 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:03.200 this misidentification just being dismayed for one about it. Because 358 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:06.400 there was even a period of time where the starlink 359 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:09.319 systems were going up and getting launched and a lot 360 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:11.319 of people were like, oh, you know, I'm seeing this 361 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:14.480 and it's you know, it's starlink. So we had to 362 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:17.359 do a lot of education and information about that for 363 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:20.599 a couple of years about starlink and people using different 364 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:23.759 types of you know, air aware and other things. So 365 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:27.480 researchers have these things tips and tools that they use 366 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:29.839 to look at planes and other things that are in 367 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:32.839 the sky. What I think is really fascinating just looking 368 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:36.680 at the framework, Like Nathan was talking about about these 369 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:40.480 mass sightings right now, I just read, you know, Chris 370 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:44.000 Sharp's article that the FBI had known about these last year. 371 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:47.920 So I think that little bit of information is interesting 372 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:50.799 that the FBI had been aware of this, but now 373 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:54.839 we're just having kind of this huge, huge, you know, 374 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:58.200 UFO researchers are calling it a flap, you know, but 375 00:21:58.480 --> 00:22:03.000 these mass sightings by regular citizenry and the FBI potentially knew. 376 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:04.880 So that's one of the things I picked up on 377 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:08.759 that I think is very interesting that's worth following in 378 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:11.400 the future to find out what they know, how long 379 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:13.440 did they know it, why were they looking at this, 380 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:17.240 and that this has really turned into kind of a crisis, 381 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:20.640 I think, especially in the UFO community, because there's a 382 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:25.519 lot of regular commentators that are really taking this to 383 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:29.119 the conspiratorial level, and it's disturbing for me. For me 384 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:31.920 just to see the things that they're talking about. I mean, 385 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:37.079 it's totally unsubstantiated and really dangerous. The things they're talking about, 386 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:41.160 like heemtrails coming down and these drone spraying things over 387 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:43.759 people in Pennsylvania, I mean, and then people getting their 388 00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:46.400 guns out and shooting, so and that part of it. 389 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:51.480 In that framework, I think it's irresponsible, especially of an 390 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:54.680 organization like the FBI, to have not been doing releasing 391 00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:57.920 of statements through the past year on what these things are, 392 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:00.720 how to identify a common sense approach, which is to 393 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:03.640 kind of have been preventative so we're not in the 394 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:06.119 situation that we are right now where we have three 395 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:10.680 different silos of government basically contradicting each other. That part 396 00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:12.920 has been pretty maddening to watch as a researcher. 397 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:17.759 Yeah, I'm glad you brought up the messaging component because 398 00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:22.000 and thank you Sherry D for it for those membership gifts. 399 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:28.160 That's awesome. Another five the seventy the other day, thank you, 400 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:31.000 And she's one of our mods fabulous. 401 00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:34.640 So I'm glad you brought the messaging component because it 402 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.359 is really interesting and I think it would go a 403 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:41.160 long way to allaying some of the out of control 404 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:44.960 speculation that we see happening not just in the UFO 405 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.720 community but really in the public at large, that the 406 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:53.279 messaging here has been very disjointed and awkward, and clumsy, 407 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:55.519 and and I want to, you know, come back to 408 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:58.920 DJ on this one, because you know, DJ, I know 409 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:03.599 that they are sort of different and intelligence gathering protocols 410 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:08.880 for what might be over the United States the mainland, 411 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:11.920 the homeland, or whatever, and what might be in foreign theaters. Right, 412 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:15.000 we have sort of operational procedures that you know, we 413 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:17.640 can do certain kinds of collection in certain areas and 414 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:21.599 can't do certain kinds of collection and others. But you know, 415 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:24.119 you can't help but be reminded about the incident that 416 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:28.160 happened early last year in twenty twenty three with these 417 00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:31.599 Chinese balloons or one of the balloons. There's three objects, 418 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:33.440 I think at least three, one with which was a 419 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:36.319 balloon that had a payload of some kind of shot down. 420 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:38.680 But you know, at that time there was talk about 421 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:41.599 NORAD and how they monitor air traffic and how they 422 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:44.480 had done some recalibration of their sensors to pick up 423 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:47.920 objects like this that they just hadn't noticed before. All 424 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:49.279 they had to do is kind of change a couple 425 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:50.720 of dials, and all of a sudden now they were 426 00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:51.440 seeing these things. 427 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:52.480 And I wonder if you. 428 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.079 Could talk a little bit about this aspect of it. 429 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:01.599 The ability for the government to collect intelligence on objects 430 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:06.839 like this, and and what is that intelligence both the 431 00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:12.279 gathering capability but also the intelligence information dissemination capability. How 432 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:15.279 do they relay that information to those who are in 433 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:17.680 the chain of command that can evaluate it and then 434 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:21.599 make decisions and then give a message to the public. 435 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.160 So yeah, I mean that's the secret sauce right there. 436 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:29.960 There are some organizations three letter agencies, one of those 437 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:34.359 eighteen couple of those eighteen intelligence agencies we have, you 438 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:38.319 guys know the names. I don't want to name them 439 00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:45.359 here because of, you know, wanting to overstep any boundaries 440 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:48.640 that may exist. But they do have the abilities to 441 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:54.119 see these from a geospatial perspective. There's also so that 442 00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:56.680 that kind of was was going to get that that 443 00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:59.319 kind of was going to get to Nathan why this 444 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:03.000 is a fan and why it's not just something prosaic. 445 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:05.839 So if we get to the root level, why are 446 00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:10.200 we sitting here talking about drones? Why are people reporting drones? 447 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:14.640 And it's because they've seen an unusual amount of First 448 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:16.799 of all, people are looking down, you know, we talked 449 00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:20.319 about that the the other This is funny from Kevin 450 00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:22.440 and by the way, we have questions up above, I 451 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.640 have two things starred. Miss Jessica wants to know kind 452 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:27.839 of how you guys got into this. So we gotta 453 00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:31.359 we gotta get those questions answered before the end of 454 00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:33.480 the show or as soon as we can get through 455 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:38.119 this portion, Nathan will go there. So so there's naval assets, 456 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:40.039 you know, that are able to track things that are 457 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.279 coming in. And also obviously we have a coast Guard. 458 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.119 The Coastguard is not the d OD, The Coastguard is 459 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:52.319 Department of Homeland Security. So with that, there are geospatial assets, 460 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:56.319 there are aerial assets. So now that we know that 461 00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:59.279 people are reporting something and nominalists, that's how that's how 462 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:02.359 this all starts. It is because people are seeing something 463 00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:05.200 in the sky and it looks unusual and they're usually 464 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:07.640 looking at their phone. So for them to be looking 465 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:11.319 up tells you that they've seen something that triggered something. 466 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:16.240 So now and of course DJ with the bads, Okay, 467 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:20.599 I know they love making because I've done some stuff 468 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:24.799 where I'm reading people's excellent multi paragraph tweets and we 469 00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:27.000 would all read a portion of it like we've you know, 470 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:29.720 we've done. But I'll use a different accent for each paragraph. 471 00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:32.799 So anyway, or maybe just like a really you know, 472 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:36.960 like I'm a poet. So anyway, So with that, with 473 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.279 all of that, that tells you something happened that was 474 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.599 anomalous in nature. And I'm using that not to refer 475 00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:49.359 to UFOs, but something anomalous happened that caused people to 476 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:54.000 make reports. Then in the midst of that, we have 477 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:56.480 hobbyists up there saying, I want to take a look. 478 00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:58.640 Then they're figuring out, oh, well, if I don't have 479 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:01.759 an IR camera, I can't potentially don't see anything, but 480 00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.319 I might see lights if they're lit up, you know. 481 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.680 But it's hard to fly grown without an I our camera, 482 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:09.799 at least visually unless you just tell it to come home, 483 00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:13.119 you know. So then you have law enforcement doing that. 484 00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:17.160 Then we have maybe state lease agency, you know types 485 00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:20.839 doing that. Then we may have d D assets also 486 00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:23.839 looking at that. Then on top of those, we may 487 00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:28.039 have fixed wing aircraft like fighter aircraft that have sensors. 488 00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:32.279 On top of that, we may have this one's good. 489 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:35.640 Your your best accent is my nana, because I do 490 00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:41.640 that one Like the Dowager countests from Downton Abbey, the 491 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:49.160 Maggie Smith character and so good evening. Ken Hathaway is 492 00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:56.160 so outstounding to have you hear in the So anyway, 493 00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:57.319 my throat's a little toasted. 494 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:00.400 I've never heard that one's really good. 495 00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.319 Yeah, And Julie says, I sound like missus doubtfayer. I'm 496 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:08.720 really offended. So so now on top of that, let's 497 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:12.799 pile on top of that that you could have RQ 498 00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:16.759 fours at high altitude that are doing orbits over these 499 00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:21.119 areas of interest, which is a jet powered drone, big wings, 500 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:24.640 very high altitude and uses radar. On top of that, 501 00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:27.759 we could have MQ nine reapers up there, which is 502 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:31.799 the Air Force is one which is long wingspan, turboprop, 503 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.599 you know, up to maybe eighteen hours of dwell time 504 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:38.039 in the air orbiting looking at these things. So now 505 00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.200 we have a lot of people looking up and see 506 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.440 Sarah saying more. Now we have all these different assets 507 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:47.920 that maybe looking at one or two or three or 508 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.680 five anomalous craft. So for people on the ground, aren't 509 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:55.759 you confused at this point? I would? I would. I mean, 510 00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.000 of course I know what to look for if I 511 00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.319 were there, you know, But but even you know, depending 512 00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:04.720 upon the altitude, it could be difficult, but that's how 513 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:09.359 congested these areas of interest could be, with not only 514 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:12.839 the craft that potentially are anomalous, but also the ones 515 00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:18.400 that are looking at that craft to see what it's doing. Yeah, 516 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.160 I have an update on this, ma'am. 517 00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:23.880 Would you like? Would like? Okay? So one of the 518 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:27.119 things I found in my research was that the Pentagon 519 00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:36.680 just released coincidentally, a confidential plan for how to counter 520 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.720 UAVs or uas is as they're calling them now. So 521 00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:45.720 this is interesting to me because why wasn't that plan 522 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.160 already in place? We have all of that tech right 523 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:50.640 that DJ was just talking about, We have all of 524 00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.960 that ability. So why was this plan just now when 525 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.519 this emerged in the public sphere after by the way 526 00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:01.319 UAP hearings. Why is this plan now being written? 527 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:06.160 Why is it? What do you think? 528 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:12.000 I think that there is potentially, and I hate to 529 00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:17.559 be controversial, a slight siop element to this. I hate 530 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:19.279 to say it, but I'm getting this vibe. 531 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:23.880 Well, I think you can look at what happened with 532 00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.599 Alaska to kind of confirm back up some of what 533 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:29.240 you're feeling. You know, we had the balloon up here 534 00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:32.599 and the FBI had sent out a unilateral message the 535 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.480 morning of this object that came up over the North 536 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.400 and you know, we just saw, like I think it 537 00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:43.880 was three months ago that one of the objects over 538 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:48.440 Alaska was listed as officially as a UAP. So I 539 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.559 think that you have I think you're confirmed in your feelings, 540 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.559 considering we already dealt with it. We went through the 541 00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:01.279 political wrangling, our own Senator Murkowski went to the Armed 542 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.440 Services and complained about the lack of communication and the 543 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.640 Alaskans didn't know about the balloon what it was, and 544 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:11.079 the miscommunication between the FBI. And then here three months 545 00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.400 ago we see it listed as formally as a UAP. 546 00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.359 So it is maddening. It is maddening. And I think 547 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:19.720 there is some part of this that is being obscured 548 00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.640 by the different agencies because this whole thing with this, 549 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:27.480 you know, with these drones there were anomalous objects, is 550 00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:29.759 part of this. And now you see the Department of 551 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.319 Homeland Security just come out yesterday and say they're not 552 00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:36.119 you know, they're either law enforcement or they're you know, 553 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:40.359 hobbyists or whatever. So I have a feeling, a sinking 554 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:43.440 feeling that we will see some of these be determined 555 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.039 as UAPs. And I think that's the other part that's confusing. 556 00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:48.519 Why is Aero notat you know. 557 00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:49.839 This at all? 558 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:53.920 In which they're classically saying this is real, prosaic whatever. 559 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.920 I think that's also suspicious that they haven't said anything 560 00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:58.759 or chimed in on it. Do we have to wait 561 00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.480 for all the reports to go to them before they'll 562 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:03.920 make a determination or say anything or go on the record. 563 00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:05.279 I mean, what's the deal with Arrow? 564 00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:08.319 Could you explain to the audience, because a lot of 565 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.680 our people that are in the chat right now are 566 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.559 from Free Carry, can you explain who Arrow is? In 567 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:15.960 addition to the fact that Haro just entered the studio. 568 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:19.319 Okay, well, this is just a short brief breakdown to 569 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.880 the history. There was a during COVID there was a 570 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:27.319 bill pass that put in some money for Unidentified Anomalous 571 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:31.960 Phenomenon which basically put money toward looking at the different 572 00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:35.799 branches in our government or services and setting up basically 573 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.039 an office. But it started off as a task force. 574 00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:41.000 It was called the UAP Task Force. And so when 575 00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:45.880 that happened, they tasked this leader, Jay Stratton, who had 576 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.960 been ahead of several other offices doing UAP type work, 577 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.079 and he led the task force essentially for a certain 578 00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:56.599 amount of time, and then Congressional oversight came in and 579 00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:00.400 then they lumped the UAP Task Force into ARROW, which 580 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:03.720 is the All Anomalous Resolution Office, which takes in all 581 00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:08.480 reporting and then gives determinations about what is actually an 582 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:12.199 unidentified anomalos phenomenon and what's not. And they give their 583 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.880 determination and a breakdown of what's prosaic. So they're officially 584 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:20.480 like the government organization that handles UAPs for the citizenry. 585 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:22.079 That's where it stands now. 586 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:28.679 That's emphasize emphasized resolution, emphasized resolution. Their goal is supposed 587 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:32.679 to be resolution so that there is not public panic. 588 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.079 So it is a good question, why are they not 589 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:39.159 resolving so there's not public panic right now? Because people 590 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:42.559 the White House came out and said, we don't know 591 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:46.679 what these are. That's exactly what anomalists unknown means. 592 00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:50.280 Well, and I don't know about you guys, but I 593 00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.000 think the latest count when I just checked quickly before 594 00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:55.840 we came on air, was like six thousand reports. 595 00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:02.719 Well, I think most six thousand ports reports, meaning in 596 00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:10.519 this in this particular four okay, okay, And I think 597 00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:16.079 everybody on this panel is an agreement that the the 598 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:21.119 organization arrow and there were clandestine organizations that weren't named 599 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:25.159 previous to that, but this particular office was set up 600 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:30.119 to actually be more like debunking and squashing Project blue 601 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:32.840 Book style. We were led to believe in thought that oh, 602 00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:36.239 they're gonna really they're gonna resolve cases, They're gonna bring 603 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:38.760 gather information and give it to the public because their 604 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:42.039 mandate talked about all these different and I didn't believe. 605 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.000 I never believed it, and unfortunately they proved us right. 606 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:46.880 And I think we're all in agreement on that. But 607 00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:51.559 before we continue on this topic, because Jessica has asked 608 00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:54.199 a question, I'm wondering if you guys can briefly go 609 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.880 over this please, maybe Nathan take it away. 610 00:35:57.960 --> 00:35:58.199 Sure. 611 00:35:58.320 --> 00:35:58.519 Yeah. 612 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:04.039 So I've not been a lifetime a UFO interested person. 613 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.559 It's not something that you know, I've always been interested in, 614 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:11.400 but I really got kind of pulled into this field 615 00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:15.280 in the last few years more actively. Even before the 616 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.719 twenty seventeen article, I was starting to pay a little 617 00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.159 bit of attention to UFOs, primarily because Tom DeLong, the 618 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.400 rock star from Blink one eighty two, there were rumors 619 00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:28.559 that he was spending a lot of money and effort 620 00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:31.159 on UFOs, and I found that I'm not a blank 621 00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:33.800 one ady too, you know, huge fan. I mean, music's great, 622 00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:35.920 but I haven't like following or anything. I just came 623 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.320 across an article that said he was really interested in it, 624 00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:40.079 was you know, spending a lot of money on it, 625 00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.639 and I found that to be, you know, just fascinating. 626 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:47.360 And not long after that, I kind of stumbled on that. 627 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:51.199 Then this article broke the New York Times. Everyone talks 628 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:56.559 about that, the twenty seventeen article, and that really kind 629 00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:58.159 of brought it to the forefront of my attention. So 630 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:00.440 I got a lot more engaged in, you know, kind 631 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:04.480 of the content community, the UFO community of interest, reading 632 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.239 up on the books. I'm not a person who's had 633 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.039 an actual UFO experience, at least not a classical one. 634 00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.800 I've certainly had some experiences that I would consider to 635 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.880 be anomalists a little bit strange, but nothing that would 636 00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:21.719 be you know, a classic UFO siding per se. But 637 00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:24.199 then sort of last thing I'll say on it is, 638 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.840 you know, my background is in kind of theology and religion, 639 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.920 and you know, a little bit of philosophy here and 640 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:32.639 there to have a strong interest in sort of the 641 00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:39.760 human component of these kinds of experiences, anomalist experiences in 642 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.400 the human condition. You know, what does it mean for 643 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:46.239 us to to to experience these things, to process these 644 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:49.840 kinds of things. These have been experiences that have been 645 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.559 reported throughout human history, and they have clearly impacted our 646 00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:58.719 history in dramatic ways. Anomalist experiences literally changed the course 647 00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:01.119 of human history and many different ways. And I think 648 00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:03.679 all of us with family probably have at least one 649 00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:07.239 example of a family member who's experienced something strange, whether 650 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:09.719 it be a UFO or a ghost or whatever, that 651 00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.960 that is part of your family lore, and it's always 652 00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:14.679 that story that got you know, I don't know how 653 00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:18.280 that happened it, but it you know, when when Grandma 654 00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:21.280 experienced that, you know, they moved from Alabama to you know, 655 00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:23.320 to Florida, and then the whole family moved and that, 656 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:25.719 you know, these are kinds of things that happen. So 657 00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:28.360 we like to sort of brush these off as I 658 00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.800 think superstitious experiences, but they clearly do shape our behavior. 659 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:34.920 So I'm really fascinated by that component of it and 660 00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:38.679 what it means about human consciousness and all those things. 661 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:40.360 So I could go on and on, but that's kind 662 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:41.880 of how I got into the field, and then of 663 00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:44.559 course got into podcasting with DJ. 664 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:51.920 Debs Well. I think I could say that I'm one 665 00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:56.360 of those people that has had anomalist experiences, including seeing 666 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:59.760 an object in the sky a few times that I 667 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:05.079 know what it was. Therefore it was unidentified, but not 668 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.159 such a big deal to me. I thought that, you know, 669 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.079 that's just part of nature. To me, I wasn't really 670 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.320 blown away, and I kind of just let that be. 671 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.280 But I've decided at some point in time that I 672 00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:19.239 was going to find out the answer of what was 673 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:23.360 going on, and I read all of the toys that 674 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:28.119 were available to the public. I was surprised by the 675 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.920 way that a lot of people who do content on 676 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.079 this were not reading them and were asking questions that 677 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.280 showed that they were not reading them. But there's just 678 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:41.480 so much information, so many documents that are available. And 679 00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:44.360 then I started reading some of the people who worked 680 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:50.480 in programs like Blue Book, reading their books, reading other 681 00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:54.880 more modern people's books about this topic, and I just 682 00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:58.159 really wanted to have very open minded approach. But I 683 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:02.360 also picked up few things along the way that were 684 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.599 bothering me. One was that there was stigma about reporting 685 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:11.199 about security in our skies. That made me insane, Like 686 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:15.920 why would we not have already had a program in 687 00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:20.119 place related to this topic to relate it to drone 688 00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:24.320 counter drone efforts? Like that makes me insane that they 689 00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:29.039 just wrote that on December second of this year, and 690 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.000 that there was any stigma ever for reporting something in 691 00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:36.679 our skies. And then the other issue was how experiencers 692 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:40.840 were treated. When you do therapeutic work with people, you 693 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.840 are not supposed to bring your bias and you are 694 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:47.239 not supposed to make them feel awful for sharing their experience. 695 00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:50.519 But person after person was sharing with me that that 696 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:54.599 was not what they experience. And I worked on that 697 00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.920 for a while. I did have some effort with that, 698 00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:04.039 trying to educate people about how you should treat someone 699 00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.519 when you're counseling them when they're bringing an experience to you. 700 00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:12.440 And yeah, so that's kind of my background. I get 701 00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:15.880 so upset about some of these things, like and and 702 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:17.920 I have to say, like it just drives me up 703 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:21.760 a wall that you could actually literally just replace the 704 00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:26.320 word UAP and every document that we've had with Drone 705 00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:28.920 and it's just like you see the games that get 706 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:32.840 played with all of this information, like and if you 707 00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:37.119 if you pay attention, it's just fascinating actually sometimes how 708 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.679 far it goes. But okay, Courtney, why don't you share 709 00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:41.840 hold on? 710 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:43.760 I just want to answer in the chat. I don't 711 00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:47.360 want to let Michelle know so this this guy, this won't. 712 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:51.039 We can't be as interactive with the chat tonight simply 713 00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:53.679 because I have four people here instead of just me 714 00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.480 or one other person. So we are going to get 715 00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:01.039 to your questions, Michelle. I see your question about the 716 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:05.880 SUV size drone and I had starred yours, Deanna, I 717 00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.920 have yours starred as well. So we are going to 718 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:10.760 get to your questions. But it's just going to take 719 00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:13.480 a little longer than it will when it's just me, 720 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:17.199 you know, yapping up here. So miss Courtney man your 721 00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:20.599 entryway into the or, as Nathan says, you're on ramp 722 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:21.480 into the top. 723 00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:26.239 Yeah, my on ramp was pretty world changing, you know, 724 00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:30.280 just very briefly. I was not into UFOs at all, 725 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.199 you know, didn't even believe in them. I had heard 726 00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:36.679 this weird story about my dad and how when he 727 00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.199 was dating my mom early days in their relationship. He 728 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:42.800 had something fly over his car with a light and 729 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.159 he was in a corvet and his engine stopped, and 730 00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:48.440 I just I just thought it was weird, you know. 731 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:51.280 And I even didn't believe in the story actually growing up. 732 00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:55.519 But it was in I was taking my daughter to 733 00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:58.760 college from Alaska. We drove down in my truck to 734 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:03.280 Southern or University. We stopped in Montana along the way 735 00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:06.400 because I have a place there, and it was on 736 00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:10.199 the drive from Montana over to Oregon and these lights 737 00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:12.960 came down. It was a close encounter. They hovered over 738 00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:16.000 the truck, they flashed at us. I didn't know what 739 00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:18.559 was going on. I thought it was a military exercise. 740 00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.639 And then one light you know, came down right over 741 00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:26.400 right over us, and then it split into the lights 742 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:29.199 split in two. And they were like it was the 743 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.239 strangest thing. They were like intelligent, And so my story 744 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:35.920 is very, very very strange, like a lot of people 745 00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:42.119 who have had close encounter contact and what ensued afterwards 746 00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.519 was just a bizarre series of events. And in the 747 00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:46.719 field of UFOs, for those of you who haven't been 748 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:50.239 in the field, it's called high strangeness. So as I 749 00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:55.559 drove up the road, we experienced some visual perceptual things 750 00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:58.000 that were anomalous. There was a car in the middle 751 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.239 of the road that was stopped with its lights and 752 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.840 its door is open, and so I went to get 753 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.480 out because I figured there's an accident, right, And so 754 00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:07.760 I went to get out to go and help whoever 755 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.719 might be there if there was an automobile accident. And 756 00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.039 my daughter was in the passenger side, and she said, Mom, 757 00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:16.039 don't get out. She had a bad feeling. She said, please, 758 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:18.960 don't get out, don't leave me. So I stopped there. 759 00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.599 But I was out on the road, and the strangest 760 00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:24.719 thing was that there was no sound whatsoever. There was 761 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:27.400 nothing coming from the car. There was no people yelling 762 00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:31.400 help us, nothing like that. It was the strangest, eeriest quiet. 763 00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.880 It was like time stopped. It was like time had stopped. 764 00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:36.920 And I don't know how else to describe it. But 765 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.119 I got back in the truck, I closed the door, 766 00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.239 I locked it, and I started to track the mile markers. 767 00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:44.559 So I called nine one one and we drove back. 768 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.440 I didn't pass the car. I drove back the way 769 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:50.559 that I came and went to a small town and 770 00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.280 called nine one one, and so that was my on 771 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:56.440 ramp into this field. But the thing that has happened 772 00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.320 since is that after we had the lights and that 773 00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.880 strange experience, I end my both my daughter, we experience 774 00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:09.239 what's called after effects, so heightened psychic things happening, being 775 00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:11.639 able to have telepathy, I mean, just weird stuff. And 776 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:16.159 I documented all of that, and I've become really like 777 00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:19.880 deb tried to help experiencers being able to share their 778 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:23.920 voice and not be treated like Pariah's. Essentially, in a 779 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:27.880 community where most people are doing this research kind of 780 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.920 fall along certain lines. You're either nuts and bolts, you know, 781 00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:33.280 or you're a middle of the road person, or you're 782 00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:36.719 an experiencer that looks at it from a different personal level. 783 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.159 So I try to carry all three of those lines 784 00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:42.400 of research, but it's not always easy. So that's kind 785 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:44.480 of where I'm at now. And I do some lobbying, 786 00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:48.320 but I'm mostly an advocate for experiencers to share their voices. 787 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:51.480 Hey, Corb, would you want to hit this question up 788 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:53.920 real quick while we're on the topic of Courtney. 789 00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:00.920 After that experience, I felt very alone with because it 790 00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:05.360 was very, very very difficult to integrate a lot of 791 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:08.960 the experiences that I was undergoing without any help. So 792 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:12.400 it was a long period of time having these strange, 793 00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:16.079 anomalous experiences with my own personal perception. So I felt 794 00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:19.159 very alone with it. So I think that's why now 795 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.880 I work in helping other people to be able to 796 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.760 process it and especially communicate it so they're not so 797 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.760 alone or isolated in the experience, because it can be very, 798 00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:29.559 very distressing. 799 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:34.519 And so thank you, Court. I actually got to hear 800 00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.000 that on the phone at one point, so thank you 801 00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:41.239 for sharing. Right here, Deanna is saying that she's staying 802 00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:44.320 middle of the path on this one, and that's understandable, Deanna, 803 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:46.760 because you don't know what these other people are seeing. 804 00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.719 You're not there. It's really really hard to judge from 805 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:54.159 afar unless you see something on video that's irrefutable. I 806 00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:57.719 have seen videos like that. People have shared videos with 807 00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:01.159 me like that in private, and they freak you out. 808 00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:04.159 But let's get the rest of these. I want to 809 00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:06.960 I'm actually want to throw this one to Nathan if 810 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:07.400 I can. 811 00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:13.679 Well, that's the million dollar question, right, yeah, but it's 812 00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:19.119 your your opinion, right, So you know, I was asked 813 00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:23.280 about this today too. From my brother, and you know, 814 00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:24.440 he said, what do you know? What do you think 815 00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:26.400 these things are? And and my answer to that was, 816 00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:28.679 I think it's a combination of things. I think that's 817 00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.000 the you know, we're talking about trying to maintain a 818 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.639 little bit of a neutral position on this, and I 819 00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:36.199 think that's it's easy for those of us to do 820 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.880 who are it's for those ones who haven't had a 821 00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:43.840 personal experience and who also aren't experiencing this phenomena right 822 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.280 outside your window, right so I can I have a 823 00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:50.000 luxury of that distance to this experience that I can 824 00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:51.599 just sort of say, yeah, I'm gonna make I'm gonna 825 00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:53.800 take a neutral position on this because I don't have 826 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.719 that close, you know, hand experience, both in the past 827 00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:59.480 and now. But I do think it's a combination of things. 828 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:02.519 I think it's one, it's a lot of misidentification, and 829 00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:04.960 that's you know, you mentioned six thousand reports that's a 830 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:08.719 common byproduct of just DJ. I love the way you 831 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:10.639 put it. We went from looking at our phones all 832 00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.280 the time to looking at the nighttime sky. And I mean, 833 00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.280 I can tell you most of us don't know the 834 00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:18.360 names of the planets or the stars that are that 835 00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:21.559 are up there, myself included. And so if you actually 836 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.440 start looking at the sky and you just don't make 837 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:26.280 a habit of doing that, you're going to see all 838 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.880 kinds of things that just you don't know what they are. 839 00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:31.639 You know, you're going to think that that is a drone. 840 00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:34.000 You're gonna think that's a UFO, and it's really just 841 00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:37.800 a really bright planetary object or star of some kind 842 00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:41.239 or starlink has another common one that people often reports 843 00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:43.880 as UFO. So I think there's a lot of misidentification 844 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.119 and that's just a byproduct of the popularity of this 845 00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:51.639 sort of latest release flap. I think it's also some 846 00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:55.719 government activity. I think, you know, DJ rightly pointed out 847 00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.079 it would be ludicrous to think that we aren't putting 848 00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.119 something in the sky to try to figure out what 849 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:05.480 these things are, whether they be fixed wing or helicopter 850 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:09.079 or you know, you name it. We're probably putting a 851 00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.559 variety of things up there to try to get some 852 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:15.039 additional intelligence about what these objects might be. So I 853 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:17.760 think some of that is military. Now, I want to 854 00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:22.639 point out that there have been military bases, very you know, 855 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.599 outspoken ones recently that have said that they've had this 856 00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:29.559 phenomenon and it wasn't their activity or any activity that 857 00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.039 they were aware of. And we've had official statements even 858 00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:36.960 saying that this is not federal government activity. So you know, 859 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.800 what is the truth there? You know, I tend to 860 00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.639 want to side with the people that are giving us information, 861 00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.679 but I also have a lot of reasons to to 862 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:48.239 second guess what they're saying, because I think their messaging 863 00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:50.639 has been really bad, and their history on messaging on 864 00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:53.079 this has been really bad, so it's difficult to take 865 00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:56.039 them at their word. But certainly there must be at 866 00:49:56.119 --> 00:50:00.159 least some of these objects must be h are our 867 00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:02.639 objects are are drones or whatever they may be. And 868 00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:05.079 then lastly, I think there is a good likelihood of 869 00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:08.519 just anomalous objects. You know, if you if you look 870 00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:10.800 at some of the videos that are there and some 871 00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:14.400 of the first hand witness accounts, and these are people 872 00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:18.000 that live either near these military bases, they live in 873 00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:21.440 flight paths, They're used to seeing planes all the time, 874 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:25.280 and what they are reporting is something that isn't like 875 00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:28.000 those things, and they would know, they would you would 876 00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.199 you would recognize something that would be starkly different from 877 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:34.519 something that you're accustomed to seeing and so these are 878 00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:36.800 people that I would consider to be reliable witnesses, and 879 00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:41.519 that these include people like police officers, news reporters, mayors. 880 00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:43.679 You know, these are people that have really tried to 881 00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:45.599 look at this and see what's going on, and they're 882 00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.599 coming back with reports that these things are really weird, 883 00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:52.880 including hovering over their homes, objects the size of SUVs. 884 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:56.440 I mean, this is very strange behavior that that certainly 885 00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:59.360 wouldn't be normal behavior for a government agency or a 886 00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.800 hobbyist drone. You know, someone who's just to I picked 887 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.559 up a DJI drone I'm throwing I'm flying it around 888 00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:07.960 for fun at night. Like it's it's difficult to fly 889 00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:09.760 a drone at night, as you mentioned DJ, if you 890 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:13.559 don't have the right optical equipment or depth of experience. 891 00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:16.880 So just the fact that they're saying, oh, there's hundreds 892 00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:19.159 of hobbyist drones just flying around at night right now, 893 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.440 I find that hard to believe. So you combine all 894 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.280 of these things, including things like objects coming in from 895 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:27.800 off the ocean right reports of that as well, and 896 00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.920 I think you have to at least entertain the idea 897 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:34.559 that some of these objects are in fact anomalists unidentified 898 00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:40.679 anomalist phenomena or UAP or UFOs, and that's really where 899 00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:43.480 you know, we have a show here about UFOs and 900 00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:45.760 we like to talk about this stuff, and that we 901 00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:47.880 talked about frameworks at the beginning of the show, and 902 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:50.480 we went with the prosaic framework to begin with, and 903 00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:53.719 that's the right place to start. It's the sort of 904 00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:57.159 level headed place to start with this conversation. But I 905 00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:01.559 also think it's important that we entertained in the other side, 906 00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:04.760 the other frameworks that that are that exists, and we 907 00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.840 get perspectives from people that might be viewing this from 908 00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:12.519 a very different paradigm, because we've, I think, for the 909 00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:17.239 longest time, we have ignored different perspectives. We have we 910 00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:21.760 have deferred and defaulted to the official government perspective on 911 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.719 whatever something may be, and we've ignored and denigrated those 912 00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:30.639 who've had personal experiences with similar kinds of phenomena and 913 00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:33.719 and to to their detriment, Courtney has pointed that out 914 00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:35.960 very well. And so I really want to get some 915 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:42.559 input from Courtney and deb from an experiencer's perspective, not 916 00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.519 only their own, and Courtney's account was a great example, 917 00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:49.320 but also experiencers that they are in contact with. What 918 00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:56.199 is the sentiment associated with this recent flap? And and Courtney, 919 00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:58.800 I remember you posted on X two about Chris Bledsoe, 920 00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:01.320 So that's a that's a great case example which I'm 921 00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.599 sure may not be familiar with. But what is the 922 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.639 sentiment just generally, And I know it's hard to you know, approximate, 923 00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.280 but what is the sentiment of experiencers with with some 924 00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:11.320 of what this might be. 925 00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:17.480 I think that there is definitely a side of the 926 00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:21.400 spiritual community that believes this is kicking off like the 927 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:25.679 next Awakening. There's no doubt that it's that it's anomalous, 928 00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:30.039 that it's warnings, that the fact that it's over all 929 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:34.440 of our bases and nuclear sites, including in the UK 930 00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:38.079 now and they're in Germany over a base that this 931 00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:43.239 has historically been NHI warning us about our you know, 932 00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:46.559 engagements geopolitical stuff. So people who are not in the 933 00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:50.000 field might not have all that enrichment of the past 934 00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.880 of how UFOs show up over our military bases or 935 00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:55.679 over our nuclear sites, but they have. That seems to 936 00:53:55.719 --> 00:54:00.360 be a trend, including in Russia. So there's definite a 937 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:04.440 sentiment in the experience of community that it's like this 938 00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:08.400 is like a prophetic level time where they're showing up 939 00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:12.000 as a warning for us to basically get right with ourselves. 940 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.119 I mean, that's essentially what I heard yesterday, like we 941 00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:16.039 all need to get right with ourselves. I don't take 942 00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:21.000 that approach, but it's certainly the wave of experience or sentiment. 943 00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:24.320 I think most of these are drones. I think they're 944 00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:27.960 exactly what you know we're talking about, that they are drones. 945 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.599 And I think after you've had an experience like I 946 00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:33.239 have at close range, where you see something that acts 947 00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:37.719 totally totally bizarre and it changes the way you think 948 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.400 about things, and you go through that whole experience, I 949 00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:42.559 can say, honestly, the way I feel about it, I 950 00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.920 don't feel that sense of awakening or that this is 951 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:49.400 the time, or that a lot of these prophecies are 952 00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:52.000 coming true right now. And I certainly don't feel either 953 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:56.239 that there is some martial law or impending war coming either. 954 00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:58.440 I mean, I think that's the thing about being an 955 00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:01.519 experience er. When you live through something like that and 956 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:04.000 you study it in research, you kind of get the 957 00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:07.599 sense to know what's bs and what's legitimate. Now I'm 958 00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:10.679 not saying the drones don't have anomalous characteristics to them, 959 00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:12.320 because I think that they do, but I think they're 960 00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:15.320 probably a small proportion, and I certainly don't feel like 961 00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:16.360 it's the end times. 962 00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:21.159 Well, I definitely have something to add to this. Okay, 963 00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:25.079 this is something that some people in the audience may 964 00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:30.000 not know about. This is something called the Phoenix Lights incident. 965 00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:34.679 So some years ago, I believe it was nineteen ninety seven, 966 00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:40.519 a bunch of people, about seven hundred in I believe Nevada, 967 00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:46.719 saw a large triangle object flying over their home. They 968 00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:51.400 start calling in to their politician saying, hey, what's going on, 969 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:55.960 like they're freaking out. Their governor goes on the air 970 00:55:56.039 --> 00:56:01.119 and makes a joke about it. And it turns out 971 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:06.400 that as people were reporting this incident, the military decided 972 00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:12.840 to release flares. Weird, right, that just so happens that 973 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:17.000 this is happening, And there were yeah, so weird. So 974 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:21.719 this is not the first time that something potentially anomalous 975 00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:27.480 may have been also concealed by something prosaic. Okay, So 976 00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:33.639 the flares were a separate location and time than the 977 00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:37.639 object that was being reported, But when people took pictures, 978 00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:42.360 they took pictures of those flares, and that convoluted the 979 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:46.840 information that was provided to the public. Later, the governor 980 00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:51.400 apologized and said, I actually saw the object too, and 981 00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:56.320 I was just telling the government line about what we're 982 00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:59.960 supposed to say to the public so that no one panics. However, 983 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:03.599 his approach was considered offensive, and I don't think people 984 00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:07.440 ever really accepted his apology because he made a joke 985 00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:10.679 of the whole thing, even though he had seen it himself. 986 00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:14.320 So I just wanted to say, also to the question 987 00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:16.920 of why this might be happening, I did make a 988 00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:21.800 list of all the reasons for drone activity, so I'm 989 00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:22.880 just going to share because. 990 00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:23.880 That's what I do. I make notes. 991 00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:28.960 Okay, so these are the reasons for drones. One a 992 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:34.519 payload and people hear about do you want to deliver packages? 993 00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:38.159 You know, drones have been used to drop off things. 994 00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:41.239 That's one of the concerns right now that these drones 995 00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:47.119 may actually drop something on people. Another reason is surveillance 996 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:54.199 or recon which is not leaning towards our government explanation 997 00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:56.679 because we have satellites for that, we don't really need 998 00:57:56.760 --> 00:58:01.639 to use drones just sim photography. That might be why 999 00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:06.960 someone has a hobbyist drone. Another reason might be crowd control, 1000 00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:12.519 so people internationally have been using them for crowd control. 1001 00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:17.159 They also use some really bizarre things like giant holograms. 1002 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:19.679 I know no one's going to believe that, but they 1003 00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:25.079 do for crowd control. And then of course they do 1004 00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:28.719 have shows now with drones that tends to be something 1005 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:33.400 you see from China. And then last, but not least, 1006 00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:40.440 military and the Pentagon in their press briefing, they'd admit, 1007 00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.360 you know, this is just part of our modern day 1008 00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:47.159 life now. And there was a photograph floating around of 1009 00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:50.000 one of these drones that may have come down and 1010 00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:54.159 it was huge, okay, And the comment on that was 1011 00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:57.599 that is not a typical hobbyist drone. This is something 1012 00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:00.719 A military drone is not going to be cheap. A 1013 00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:04.440 six foot drone is not going to be cheap. That's 1014 00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:07.920 going to be expensive. So I just wanted to say, 1015 00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:11.280 those are the reasons I have found for a drone 1016 00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:12.000 to be in the air. 1017 00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:18.000 Thank you Love. Also, since he's here, I didn't know 1018 00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:20.519 if this meeting would happen, but I was speaking with 1019 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:23.119 Scott McGuinness who's here in the chat, and I want 1020 00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:25.679 Nathan to address this, but before I do, I just 1021 00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:30.480 want to get Scott McGuinness is one of the standout warriors, 1022 00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:33.000 one of the guys in Canton, one of the guys 1023 00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:37.639 who shows up. He is a former prison guard official 1024 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:44.519 and multiple other roles in Massachusetts. He deals with sort 1025 00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:48.119 of the rough housing that the Mcalberts try to play 1026 00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:51.960 with the citizenry of Canton. He's not afraid of them. 1027 00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:56.039 And so he asked this question, and we had about 1028 00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:59.039 an hour and forty minute phone call and I said, oh, 1029 00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:01.760 you know what, this this is a perfect question for Nathan. 1030 01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:05.199 So Scott, I hope you haven't left the chat because 1031 01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.679 Nathan is here. So Nathan, if you would address this one. 1032 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:11.800 Sure, Yeah, thanks for the comment, Scott. I mean, this 1033 01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:14.920 is a it's a very interesting comment. I think a 1034 01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:20.280 lot of people will identify with with with with Scott's 1035 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:25.320 reaction or on this kind of behavior. You know, this 1036 01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:27.599 boils down to there's no mention of these kinds of 1037 01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:32.760 objects in the Bible or maybe even other historical religious texts, 1038 01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:36.079 and therefore that's not what they are, right, And uh, 1039 01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.480 you know, I certainly can appreciate that perspective, and and 1040 01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:41.519 I don't want to whatever I want to preface with 1041 01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:45.320 whatever I'm going to say. I'm not trying to minimize 1042 01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:49.119 anybody's beliefs. I think, you know, everybody should believe what 1043 01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:51.199 they want to believe, what was most meaningful to them, 1044 01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:54.760 and uh and I support that. But I do want to, 1045 01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:59.440 you know, at least from my own, from my own perspective, 1046 01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:04.079 I want to emphasize that we are and we I 1047 01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:09.400 mean just human beings. We are culturally bound individuals. We 1048 01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:14.840 look at experiences through a particular lens, and that lens 1049 01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:18.159 is the time in which we find ourselves and is 1050 01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:21.920 shaped by our personal experiences. It is shaped by the 1051 01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:25.119 history that we've inherited, It is shaped by the climate 1052 01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:27.559 and the culture that we find ourselves in, and all 1053 01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:31.000 of those things form a context, a pair of glasses, 1054 01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:34.760 if you will, that we put on to view experiences 1055 01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:39.559 that we have in the world. And so those frameworks 1056 01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:41.519 can be helpful. Right, You can have a good pair 1057 01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:44.079 of glasses that help you navigate the world and you 1058 01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:46.559 don't bump into things, you can read what you need 1059 01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:48.599 to read. Or you can have a pair of glasses 1060 01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:50.800 that may be a little bit fuzzy and you can 1061 01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:53.800 still navigate the world, but you might not see very clearly. 1062 01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:57.440 And I think where this often goes wrong is a 1063 01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:01.679 lot of people, particularly today, take the perspective that their 1064 01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:03.559 glasses are better than yours. 1065 01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:03.840 Right. 1066 01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:07.559 It's a very I think, you know, snooty way of 1067 01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:10.840 looking at at this and and what they miss, in 1068 01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:13.719 my opinion, is that we are all doing this all 1069 01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:14.119 the time. 1070 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:15.840 You know, all of us are. 1071 01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:21.679 Guilty of this framework filtering of experience. And so to 1072 01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:24.519 to take the position that you're an educated person and 1073 01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:27.639 you you've come to a place where you understand you know, 1074 01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:30.360 modern science or whatever it may be, and you therefore 1075 01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:33.320 kind of thumb your nose up at people that have these, 1076 01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:37.800 you know, outdated mythological perspectives on on you know, history 1077 01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:40.400 and whatnot. I think that that that's that's missing the 1078 01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:42.960 mark because all of us, and the way I think 1079 01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:46.599 about this is from the standpoint of the of the future, right, 1080 01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:50.199 all of us in the future. If you were to 1081 01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:52.480 fast forward one hundred years from now and to look 1082 01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:55.119 back to right now and look at the perspectives that 1083 01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:58.920 we hold as human beings about the world, about reality, 1084 01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:03.639 those future people will probably laugh at how we explain 1085 01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:07.719 and conceive of what we call reality and normal and 1086 01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:12.239 that's because knowledge changes, culture changes, all these things change, 1087 01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:14.559 and that impacts our way of looking at the world. 1088 01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:17.199 So this is a very long answer to your question, 1089 01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:22.159 Scott or your comment, and mainly because this is my uh, 1090 01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:25.719 this is my background, right, I'm trying to give folks 1091 01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:29.119 a sense in which, you know, we have our knee 1092 01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:35.480 jerk reaction to something and whatever whatever our first experience 1093 01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:38.719 or interpretation that's the better word, whatever our first interpretation 1094 01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:42.239 of an event is, is going to be closest to 1095 01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:46.519 the experiences that are in our toolkit, right, and so 1096 01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:49.679 we need to be able to hold those things but 1097 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.440 also examine them, right. And you know, I see your 1098 01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:54.719 comment here, is that UFOs on an earth or Satanic 1099 01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:57.280 or demons not little greed men. Again, it's the same. 1100 01:03:57.400 --> 01:03:59.840 And you know, you and I would look at this 1101 01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:02.639 from very very different perspectives, and I think that's something 1102 01:04:02.679 --> 01:04:07.440 we can celebrate. But you know, I don't take the 1103 01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:11.239 Bible as sort of a one and done factual account 1104 01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:14.000 of what of what reality is. I think it's an 1105 01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:18.199 evolving experience. I find that that can be valuable for people. 1106 01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:20.159 So I support you in thinking that way. But you know, 1107 01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:23.320 we have a very different perspective on what this is. 1108 01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:26.320 And I think, you know, even our understanding of demons, 1109 01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:29.480 for example, has evolved quite a lot. I don't mean 1110 01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:31.320 involved in the sense of better. I'm just saying it 1111 01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:35.440 has changed quite a lot from how demons are viewed 1112 01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:40.280 in the Biblical times to how demons are viewed in 1113 01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:44.719 the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, and even today. Demonology has 1114 01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:47.400 changed quite a bit in that many, many hundred year 1115 01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:51.280 period of time, and so we often are bringing more 1116 01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:56.840 recent sort of demonological perspectives to these to these phenomena 1117 01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:00.440 than than even the Bible actually has in the in 1118 01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:04.199 its text. So we could spend like literally episodes on this. 1119 01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:07.519 It's a very difficult question to answer, and I'm hesitant 1120 01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:09.679 to answer these kinds of questions or to comment on 1121 01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:12.239 it because these things are so very very personal. 1122 01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:13.880 You know. 1123 01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:16.000 It is something that I just would caution that we, 1124 01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:19.840 you know, we all be cognizant of the things that 1125 01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:24.559 we bring to bear on interpretation, right, because because interpretation 1126 01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:28.159 is very fallible, right, it's not something that we can 1127 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:31.519 take I think as literal as we all bring something 1128 01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:33.760 to the experience that is unique to us. 1129 01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:37.880 Yeah, and just to give you Nathan's background, because he's 1130 01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:39.800 not one that's going to kind of like say his 1131 01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:42.599 bona fides. But essentially he grew up as the son 1132 01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:45.840 of a pastor. He himself was was a youth pastor, 1133 01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:49.320 and he ended up getting his master's degree at a 1134 01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:53.840 in divinity at a biblical college. So he's very, very 1135 01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:57.159 knowledge of on the Bible, but has it sort of 1136 01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:01.039 added a lot of other things into his view other 1137 01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:04.679 than only the religious view that he grew up with 1138 01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:11.280 and embraced and learned through his family, through the ministry itself, 1139 01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:15.239 and through his formal education in that. So but like 1140 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:18.039 he said, there's not a wrong, it's just there's what 1141 01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:20.440 he's offering you is other ways that you can look 1142 01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:23.800 at this as opposed to just looking at it through 1143 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.760 one filter. But it's your choice. You get to choose. 1144 01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:31.480 Tommy CPU has a question for me, believe it or not? 1145 01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:34.119 Can you believe somebody in a question for me? Courtney, 1146 01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:38.639 this is absurd ridiculous. So, but this will get into 1147 01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:41.239 the part about how I got into this, which is 1148 01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:44.760 a stitchback to Jess's early question question DJ as someone 1149 01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:46.639 who's a flyboy and spends time in the air at 1150 01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:49.760 forty thousand feet. Have you seen this unknown flying craft? 1151 01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:53.239 You know what? Ironically, the planes I flew were low 1152 01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:57.639 level planes, about twenty nine thousands, probably as I've ever 1153 01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:00.760 been anyway. All that said, no, I didn't have any 1154 01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:04.559 during my career. I did get to speak with another 1155 01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:08.440 colleague of mine who flew a similar aircraft to mine 1156 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:11.039 that he flew the Combat Shadow, and he did have 1157 01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:16.079 a sighting in Afghanistan. He and a pilot had a 1158 01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:20.840 sighting in Afghanistan. So mine came as a young young man. 1159 01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:26.519 I was fourteen or fifteen on my parents ranch and 1160 01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:29.280 we had a very brief sighting of a multi colored 1161 01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:35.119 silent craft coming overhead on a probably a late September 1162 01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:40.119 early October night, and that was what made me and 1163 01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:42.920 I really didn't think about it for years until David Fraverer, 1164 01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:45.719 the Navy pilot, talked about his and then I said, well, 1165 01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:47.639 I guess he can talk about his, I can talk 1166 01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:49.840 about mine. I'm retired. I can do what I want. 1167 01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:56.679 The other thing was, I think that's it. I think 1168 01:07:56.760 --> 01:08:00.320 we can. We can press on with If anyone else 1169 01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:04.599 has a question here, let me know if I've missed anything. Uh, 1170 01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:09.159 and and I'll look a look at what Cleveland said. 1171 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:12.199 The only boy that could ever reach me was the 1172 01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:18.279 son of a preacher, man Susan Cleveland. He's brilliant, She's 1173 01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:20.640 in it. She's kind of like a Courtney in the Debs. 1174 01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:25.600 He's an investigator, primarily on the Sandra Birchmore case, of 1175 01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:30.560 which the Courtney's aware of this. Uh, the police officer 1176 01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:34.119 who staged her suicide was arrested by the FBI a 1177 01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:37.560 couple of months back. And she's also very knowledgeable on 1178 01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:40.840 Karen Reid and all the other cases. But he's just 1179 01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:44.840 like you two ladies, except that she's diving into people 1180 01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:49.840 who have been the victim of injustice. So just like Beatrice. 1181 01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:52.359 You see Beatrice in the chat here, she's kind of 1182 01:08:52.399 --> 01:08:57.079 a cab known associate now and she has become uh, 1183 01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:00.199 she has found her voice and become a victims add kid, 1184 01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:05.560 especially for folks that don't have don't speak English, to 1185 01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:08.399 have as many people in the family speak English. So anyway, 1186 01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:11.520 whole bunch of people new friends for you guys to 1187 01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:16.079 make here. So I'm sorry, please go on Nathan with 1188 01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:18.800 wherever you wanted to go, or Dev's or Courtney. 1189 01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:23.239 Yeah, I do want to get I want to suspend 1190 01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:27.399 some time on the different layers of this because it 1191 01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:30.760 you know, I really struggle with this, and Courtney you've 1192 01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:33.239 had more time, and Deab as well, but both of you. 1193 01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:35.079 So I really want to get your perspective've had more 1194 01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:39.439 time processing. We'll come back to that phenomenalous experiences, and 1195 01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:44.920 I want to what I have witnessed in social media 1196 01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:48.680 discourse is from people who have had these experiences, some 1197 01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:51.600 of them, not all of them. Is there has been 1198 01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:55.039 in a way, you know, from maybe a minority of them, 1199 01:09:55.079 --> 01:10:00.279 even an amplification of this phenomena, and so in a 1200 01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:04.119 quick association of it to well, this is X, you know, 1201 01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:06.439 and Courtney you alluded to this. You know, this is 1202 01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:09.279 the great Awakening, this is the shift, this is the 1203 01:10:09.359 --> 01:10:10.199 age of Aquarius. 1204 01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:11.399 They're on their way. 1205 01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:15.119 This is catastrophic disclosure. You know, there's a lot of 1206 01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:19.239 that sentiment floating around right now. And you know, I 1207 01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:21.159 think that speaks to, at least for me, that that 1208 01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:26.920 speaks to the very emotional connection that these these objects, 1209 01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:29.239 whether they even be prosaic, but things that are doing 1210 01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:32.159 things in the sky that are strange. The connection that 1211 01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:37.319 that has with people who've had experiences that were so impactful, 1212 01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:40.720 Like it's a very visceral connection, you feel it in 1213 01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:42.960 your body, it's it's it's some people would call it 1214 01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:46.600 a PTSD, right, So I'm curious what your perspective is 1215 01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:50.840 on the experience or community, the spectrum of reaction to 1216 01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:53.600 to this, and you know, I think you both have 1217 01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:56.000 a different tack on it. So really be curious to 1218 01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:56.720 what you think. 1219 01:10:57.800 --> 01:10:59.640 Deb do you want to go first? Do you want 1220 01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:00.560 me to go first? 1221 01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:03.279 Well, I've you know, I'm not going to just talk 1222 01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:06.880 about it from the experience or community. I'm going to 1223 01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:10.319 talk about the full range for the whole world, because 1224 01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:12.880 we're all kind of in the experience or community we 1225 01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:18.720 experience life. I've noticed that some of this escalates because 1226 01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:22.199 we are able to communicate more. There's a little bit 1227 01:11:22.279 --> 01:11:26.399 more comfort and ease with exchanging stories. I've been spending 1228 01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:32.000 an enormous amount of time listening to near death experiences lately, 1229 01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:35.960 and the fact that there's just so many people coming 1230 01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:39.800 forward and sharing their experiences really gives us a lot 1231 01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:46.760 more data. Right, But the reaction to this particular occurrence, 1232 01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:51.520 you know, there's there's like this this anticipation, this hope 1233 01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:56.640 that things will finally be explained. So just because someone 1234 01:11:56.720 --> 01:11:59.880 has experienced something anomalous does not mean that they have 1235 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.079 a grasp on what's going on. And there's always this 1236 01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:08.840 seeking for more information, right, But that is not the 1237 01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:13.560 reaction everyone is having. And I'm very concerned about some 1238 01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:17.319 of the other reactions I'm seeing. I'm seeing the flip 1239 01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:20.760 side saying there's nothing to see here, and it gets 1240 01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:23.319 me all riled up again because I'm like, what do 1241 01:12:23.399 --> 01:12:28.600 you mean if there's one drone, just one flying illegally 1242 01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:33.680 over a base, which the Pentagon has confirmed has happened, 1243 01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:37.920 and there's another case where a drone lands on our ship, 1244 01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:44.439 you know, just one time, that is enough to not 1245 01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:48.319 be brushing this off and saying there's nothing to see here. 1246 01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:51.960 And I get so upset about this. But yes, so 1247 01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:55.520 there we have a range. We have the anticipatory group 1248 01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:58.720 where just like, please tell us what's going on. Then 1249 01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:01.840 we have people are new to this topic, and then 1250 01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:04.399 we have people all the way on the other side saying, oh, 1251 01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:07.279 let's just brush this aside. This is ridiculous. I don't 1252 01:13:07.359 --> 01:13:10.279 know why they do this, why they think it's ridiculous. 1253 01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:15.279 To talk about our safety like it's so strange to me, 1254 01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:20.439 it's almost more mystifying. But anyway, just so, yeah, there's 1255 01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:21.640 a lot going on. 1256 01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:25.000 I just want to add some context because a lot 1257 01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:29.199 of people don't know. Courtney and Debs have interviewed people 1258 01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:32.880 that have been on Navy ships that have seen full 1259 01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:39.000 sized craft covering over the top of carriers and battleships 1260 01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:45.119 and agues cruisers. Nathan myself Debs prior to when Courtney 1261 01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:48.880 joined US, interviewed a director of Field operations of the CIA, 1262 01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:52.359 one of the most clearly highly cleared individuals that you 1263 01:13:52.439 --> 01:13:58.880 will ever see in this medium, talking about his experience 1264 01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:02.760 in his bedroom with an entity that was not human 1265 01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:06.119 and then reported that to his superiors at CIA. Just 1266 01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:08.319 I just want to set the table for you guys 1267 01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:11.960 on some of what's out there that is way more 1268 01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:15.439 freaky than drums. So I'm sorry, go ahead, Courtney. 1269 01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:17.800 Please, well, and let's not forget you know, the program 1270 01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:21.640 just came out where you know, we're seeing lifelong legacy 1271 01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:24.079 people who have been involved in programs and are still 1272 01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:28.039 saying right now, we can't talk about it. Do you 1273 01:14:28.159 --> 01:14:30.920 know there's nhi, Yes, but I can't talk about that, 1274 01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:33.399 and you can just see the visual pains of these 1275 01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:37.800 witnesses and individuals who've been in legacy programs most of 1276 01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:38.359 their career. 1277 01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:41.279 What's NHI real quick, Because you have an audience that. 1278 01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:44.880 May not human intelligence, non human intelligence. So when you 1279 01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:48.319 start to talk about the idea of non human intelligence 1280 01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:53.880 and this being brought out right to the world very openly, 1281 01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:57.359 a name for it, this is what it's called. You know, 1282 01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:02.399 it's obvious that individu have had these experience, these contact 1283 01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:06.079 experiences with non human intelligence. But I do think, and 1284 01:15:06.199 --> 01:15:08.319 this is where I probably depart from a lot of 1285 01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:13.039 the other awakening group, is that when you've been through 1286 01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:16.640 that ontological shock, and it is a nontological shock, when 1287 01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:19.720 you see something truly that you cannot explain and you 1288 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:22.319 have a close interaction with it and affects your life 1289 01:15:22.359 --> 01:15:26.239 the way it does so profoundly, you go through a 1290 01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:29.720 period of transition of integrating it and corporing it. Your 1291 01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:32.079 belief systems change, right, And so for me, that was 1292 01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:35.119 ten years ago, honest to goodness. So when I'm seeing 1293 01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:38.000 a lot of the folks seeing the drones responding to 1294 01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:40.199 the drones, that for me is just like, Okay, this 1295 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:43.079 is interesting because people are seeing things they're trying to 1296 01:15:43.119 --> 01:15:46.079 think about them differently. But what I think is problematic 1297 01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:50.520 in the core group of individuals, especially on X. Nathan. 1298 01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:54.079 I'm just answering your question about you know X and 1299 01:15:54.399 --> 01:15:57.159 the sociological part of this, because I do think it's fascinating. 1300 01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:02.159 You have very clearly people who are interpreting other people's 1301 01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:05.159 experiencing and saying this is what is happening now, And 1302 01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:07.239 I think that's actually one of the worst things you 1303 01:16:07.279 --> 01:16:10.960 can do to an experiencer, because you're labeling what their reality, 1304 01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:13.680 what their experience is it is. And I have come 1305 01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:16.359 into the field going in myself and my own personal 1306 01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:19.920 mission for doing my research, not ever knowing. I've never 1307 01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:23.039 felt that I would ever figure out whatever it was 1308 01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:25.439 that my daughter and I encountered in Oregon that night. 1309 01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:27.000 And I've had a lot of people say that, are 1310 01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:28.600 you feel like you're ever going to get to a 1311 01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:32.000 point with it? No, I don't, so I kind of 1312 01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:34.359 take a counter approach of ever feeling like that's going 1313 01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:37.079 to be resolved. But I agree one hundred percent with 1314 01:16:37.159 --> 01:16:40.199 what deb is saying that there's so many people searching 1315 01:16:40.279 --> 01:16:43.760 for what that experience is people are interpreting it, trying 1316 01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:45.359 to tell them what it is, and that's one of 1317 01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:48.000 the big metaparts of all of this. That creates a 1318 01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:51.199 lot of cognitive dissonance, and I think that's why we 1319 01:16:51.359 --> 01:16:56.960 see such reactionary projections about this being the event. But 1320 01:16:57.520 --> 01:16:59.880 similar to other times in the past, like the Mayancal 1321 01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:03.279 and other things, I think it's going to pass, and 1322 01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:04.960 I think we're going to be exactly where we were 1323 01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:09.159 before the drone situation happened, going what was that? Why 1324 01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:13.000 was our government not aware? Why was this messaging, you know, 1325 01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:16.520 so conflictual? Why was aeronaut involved. So I'm a bit 1326 01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:19.520 of a pessimist or maybe a pragmatist, I think in 1327 01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:20.039 that regard. 1328 01:17:20.119 --> 01:17:21.239 Pragmatist pragmatist. 1329 01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:24.119 Yeah, I think I'm more of a pragmatic person, thinking 1330 01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:25.840 that we're going to pass through this and we're going 1331 01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:28.119 to have a lot of questions, and there's probably going 1332 01:17:28.199 --> 01:17:31.079 to be a law against drones that comes out, you 1333 01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:33.479 know that you know, you have to have a certain 1334 01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:36.880 type of digital tracking system or whatever, just so that 1335 01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:39.159 this doesn't happen again. But I still, like I said, 1336 01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:41.840 I still think there's not something anomalous within all of it. 1337 01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:43.560 I just don't know what if they have to put 1338 01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:45.079 license plates on their drone. 1339 01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:48.479 Well there is there was guy talking about the other 1340 01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:51.880 night that there's he logged into a certain app and 1341 01:17:52.359 --> 01:17:55.119 because of the time of night or something, it would 1342 01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:57.319 allow him to launch the drone. He got a red light. 1343 01:17:57.800 --> 01:18:01.479 I can look into those protocols because Sarah is already 1344 01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:04.560 calling for a part two of this, so I will 1345 01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:07.720 do some research on what the FAA has put in 1346 01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:11.840 place in terms of the drones, that what those protocols are. 1347 01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:15.960 But I was wondering from a fellow investigator, a sister 1348 01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:17.960 of your Suvann Cleveland, if you could just read this 1349 01:18:18.039 --> 01:18:18.800 one and react. Court. 1350 01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:26.920 I'm a twenty four to seven learner, seeking seeker of 1351 01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:30.520 safety and answers because PTSD and it can be draining, 1352 01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:33.039 so I empathize with the avoidance. 1353 01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:35.239 I think talking about Twitter. 1354 01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:38.760 Yeah yeah, well, I think Twitter is so toxic and 1355 01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:42.119 so many of us have experienced the high level stress 1356 01:18:42.359 --> 01:18:46.159 just being engaged on it and the onslaught of vitriol 1357 01:18:46.239 --> 01:18:49.000 that comes towards you, one as a researcher just being 1358 01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:52.520 in the field, two being an experience er. Somehow there 1359 01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:57.279 is some level of personal people get personal about it, 1360 01:18:57.439 --> 01:19:00.920 you know, and challenging. So I think with X, it's 1361 01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:03.840 totally healthy to be avoided, don't wouldn't you guys all 1362 01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:05.640 feel I mean, it's good to take a break from 1363 01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:08.079 it and not be engaged. Is that fair? 1364 01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:09.800 Boundaries or boundaries are healthy? 1365 01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:13.399 Right? Yeah, I'm pretty minimal on there now. 1366 01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:18.800 And look, I'm a huge proponent of real life relationships. 1367 01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:19.000 Right. 1368 01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:21.439 So these are you know, my co hosts. Here are 1369 01:19:21.479 --> 01:19:23.920 people that that I know and we have conversations and 1370 01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:26.760 they're not anonymous people, uh that I know who deb 1371 01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:28.199 is and those you may appear to be a little 1372 01:19:28.199 --> 01:19:31.359 bit anonymous to you guys, but you know, we have relationships. 1373 01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:33.319 And I think that that's critically important. And we live 1374 01:19:33.359 --> 01:19:38.920 in a time where the easy relationships are are a 1375 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:42.960 little bit more shallow, right And and if you're if 1376 01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:46.840 you if you're surrounded by shallow relationships, then you're really 1377 01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:51.359 going to have You're going to lack of depth of experience, 1378 01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:54.600 you know, a depth of relationship with people. And I 1379 01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:57.920 think that we need that we need that complex relationship. 1380 01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:00.840 If we lose touch with the complexity of human relationship, 1381 01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:05.600 then we we lose our ability to connect because because 1382 01:20:05.640 --> 01:20:08.199 everything has to be surface level, you know, we don't 1383 01:20:08.239 --> 01:20:12.479 we don't allow people to have complicated perspectives that they 1384 01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:17.159 either yeah, you have to choose you're either right here 1385 01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:20.000 on this level with me, or you don't exist right 1386 01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:21.479 And I think that that that's kind of where we've 1387 01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:23.560 gotten to as a as a country and really as 1388 01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:26.720 in a world, and uh, you know, getting real relationships 1389 01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:28.720 I think is a is a sort of antidote to 1390 01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:32.479 that situation. But to Courtney's comment, I want to get 1391 01:20:32.479 --> 01:20:34.159 your you know you away and here DJ, because you 1392 01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:38.960 mentioned this earlier about David Fraber. You know, one byproduct 1393 01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:45.159 of this activity potentially could be more folks who who 1394 01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:49.560 have seen things in the sky, pilots, et cetera, being 1395 01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:52.680 more willing to talk about them. You know, there is 1396 01:20:52.800 --> 01:20:56.279 certainly that element of this that we are talking about 1397 01:20:56.359 --> 01:20:59.720 this in a lot of places now in the media, 1398 01:20:59.880 --> 01:21:02.760 and they're asking more pointed questions to the Pentagon and 1399 01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:05.880 to the White House. This is a sign, in my opinion, 1400 01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:08.560 that the culture is at a place where we are 1401 01:21:09.359 --> 01:21:12.960 more open to having these conversations. I don't know that 1402 01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:15.840 we're necessarily at a place where we're having them in 1403 01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:18.840 the right you know, kind of framework. But we're at 1404 01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:21.960 least being more comfortable sharing the experiences, which is a 1405 01:21:22.039 --> 01:21:24.600 huge step, in my opinion, to getting where we probably 1406 01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:27.359 need to go in order for more people to be 1407 01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:30.399 prepared for what this might mean. So, DJ, I wonder 1408 01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:31.960 if you could speak to that, you know, this kind 1409 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:35.720 of cascading effect of just sort of people being willing 1410 01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:36.199 to share. 1411 01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:40.239 Well, I mean, I call friends of mine that are 1412 01:21:40.520 --> 01:21:44.000 retired O six colonels and I'm willing to have a 1413 01:21:44.119 --> 01:21:47.960 discussion with them about it. You remember Jeff, my Seal 1414 01:21:48.039 --> 01:21:52.720 team friend. We had discussions. So I've had a lot 1415 01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:55.359 of discussions that I'm not embarrassed anymore to do it. 1416 01:21:55.840 --> 01:21:57.479 And I wonder if you guys can tell me the 1417 01:21:57.600 --> 01:22:01.800 name of Ben from Discovery Channel. Quick, remember Ben, the 1418 01:22:01.880 --> 01:22:05.760 guy who hosts the show Hanson. Yeah, so Ben Hansen 1419 01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:09.039 from Discovery Channel. He has the gravitas of not only 1420 01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:12.720 being a television personality, but he was also a former 1421 01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:16.680 FBI agent. He's also a commercially rated pilot. So when 1422 01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:20.159 Ben Hansen calls a pilot and they can look him 1423 01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:23.239 up on LinkedIn and see who he is, and he's saying, yeah, 1424 01:22:23.239 --> 01:22:26.039 I'd really like to share your story because I believe 1425 01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:29.560 in what you're saying. This is huge, this is on, 1426 01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:34.399 this is unprecedented. I mean in our history, you know, 1427 01:22:34.520 --> 01:22:37.039 in human history that we didn't talk about these things. 1428 01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:41.680 Because even when the Japanese pilot that Courtney alluded to before, 1429 01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:46.039 that guy was grounded after he discussed it from nineteen 1430 01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:48.279 eighty four. And I want to tell you guys, you 1431 01:22:48.479 --> 01:22:51.760 can hear the audio out there, the FAA audio. You 1432 01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:54.920 can't see video obviously it's nineteen eighty four and they 1433 01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:58.640 didn't have you know, cameras and then you know VHS 1434 01:22:58.800 --> 01:23:02.319 cameras in the cockpit at that point. But those guys 1435 01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:07.840 from JL saw a huge like what was it like 1436 01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:10.680 aircraft carrier size or it's like. 1437 01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:14.640 Ahead, Yeah, it was massive. It was a mass, massive 1438 01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:19.600 effect with lights green lights, I believe it. They were green, yep. 1439 01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:22.760 And and the so FAA's tracking it. They see it 1440 01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:25.439 on radar, so they're painting it, which is good. So 1441 01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:28.479 you know, it's a metallic object that they can paint 1442 01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:32.840 with the spectrum that radar's in. And when they made 1443 01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:35.039 one hundred and eighty degree turns, this thing was following 1444 01:23:35.119 --> 01:23:38.000 them and they you know, it blocked them for a while. 1445 01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:40.760 It didn't prevent that. I shouldn't say it blocked them. 1446 01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:43.960 It kept station with them in front of them, if 1447 01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:46.079 you will, because if I say it blocked them, that 1448 01:23:46.119 --> 01:23:48.359 would have meant they were getting closer. It was keeping 1449 01:23:48.439 --> 01:23:52.800 station with them. So yeah, so now people will talk 1450 01:23:52.840 --> 01:23:55.520 about it. We also mentioned we've got to mention Ryan 1451 01:23:55.600 --> 01:24:00.439 Graves and uh the is it Americans for Save. 1452 01:24:00.319 --> 01:24:02.439 Air Space Aerospace ASA? 1453 01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:07.840 Okay, Americans for Save Air Space? Right Navy pilot who 1454 01:24:08.039 --> 01:24:11.399 was part of the twenty fifteen group off the coast 1455 01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:15.840 of Virginia that had their sightings in this Alpha seventy 1456 01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:20.439 two working area off of Virginia Beach. He said they 1457 01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:27.119 had sightings of a cube inside a sphere that was 1458 01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:29.640 for a year that people were seeing this out and 1459 01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.640 there were noems in their daily read Before you go fly, 1460 01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:34.880 you know you're gonna go read the read file and 1461 01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:37.000 look at what the nodems are, and it was in 1462 01:24:37.079 --> 01:24:39.640 their read file. Hey, you might see these in Alpha 1463 01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:43.520 seventy two, so you know, just be aware seeing a 1464 01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:46.640 void all that kind of stuff. So yeah, people are 1465 01:24:46.720 --> 01:24:51.520 a lot more comfortable talking about it. But before we 1466 01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:54.119 go any further, we got to say thanks to a 1467 01:24:54.159 --> 01:24:58.399 new member of ours, Kelly STEFFI thank you, home girl, 1468 01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:09.359 Canna get a mud So Kelly and her question, Nathan, 1469 01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:12.319 if you had you to take get into that, please sure? 1470 01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:16.000 Or actually or debts if she hasn't read in Wild Debts, Yeah, man, 1471 01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:16.520 please God. 1472 01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:20.800 I also think people are very and tired in some 1473 01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:24.520 ways of the different explanations for so many things, if 1474 01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:29.439 that makes sense, And I agree absolutely, And I actually 1475 01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:33.439 was going to provide a historic perspective that answers sort 1476 01:25:33.479 --> 01:25:40.079 of what you were talking about. So the initial sightings 1477 01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:45.520 were called flying shields in Roman times, at least this 1478 01:25:45.680 --> 01:25:50.439 is what was written. Right. There are religions based off 1479 01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:56.000 of encounters and sightings. Some of those religions could have 1480 01:25:56.239 --> 01:26:00.640 been related to meteors that fell or you know, straite whatever. 1481 01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:04.359 I'm not into those, so I don't know that much 1482 01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:10.560 about them. But those sightings were what people talked about 1483 01:26:10.760 --> 01:26:15.439 and created religions from, not all of them, just you know, 1484 01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:19.760 some of them. And then the conversations went into something 1485 01:26:19.800 --> 01:26:24.399 called airships in about the eighteen hundreds, and it actually 1486 01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:27.520 was quite a wave of sightings, and that was before 1487 01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:32.600 airships were really a thing in the United States. Then 1488 01:26:32.720 --> 01:26:36.920 there were conversations about rockets. That was the language that 1489 01:26:37.119 --> 01:26:42.319 was used, and then we had the term flying saucer, 1490 01:26:42.560 --> 01:26:48.439 which was incorrect, by the way, because the initial major 1491 01:26:48.600 --> 01:26:51.840 sighting that got reported, which was not the first, but 1492 01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:57.159 it was stated that the object was moving like a 1493 01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:02.119 saucer across the water, and then flying saucers the craze. 1494 01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:07.239 The language keeps changing, but people find new ways to 1495 01:27:07.359 --> 01:27:11.079 talk about it, is my point. And I'm just going 1496 01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:14.039 to have to bring this back to drones. But wow, 1497 01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:18.079 isn't it convenient that now all those pilots can say, hey, 1498 01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:24.439 is this large round object next to my ship? Possibly 1499 01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:25.159 a drone? 1500 01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:30.279 Well, and I think biomimicry we need to talk about that. 1501 01:27:30.439 --> 01:27:32.279 I'm not going to go into it in great detail, 1502 01:27:32.399 --> 01:27:35.960 but a lot of people describe these craft that morphin 1503 01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:40.600 shift depending on you know, their environment or what's in 1504 01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:43.399 the sky, and they can look like strange helicopters with 1505 01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:47.560 no markings, birds, you know, all kinds of different planes 1506 01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:51.560 and so Calm Kaliher talks about biomimicry a lot in 1507 01:27:51.680 --> 01:27:55.319 different populations who have had, you know, sightings and then 1508 01:27:55.560 --> 01:27:57.840 they've been verified and he's done some work on that. 1509 01:27:58.000 --> 01:27:59.760 So I think that's another thing that we're going to 1510 01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:02.600 be talking about in the future more with regard to 1511 01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:06.079 this topic biomemicry and what that is and how it 1512 01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:09.159 shows up, and maybe we'll get more data or even 1513 01:28:09.239 --> 01:28:11.600 some classes on it, you know, in some of these 1514 01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:15.119 organizations that are doing research and education to help people 1515 01:28:15.199 --> 01:28:17.840 understand what biomemicry is. It's a fascinating topic. 1516 01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:21.720 I'm telling you. We got some smart people up in here. 1517 01:28:22.039 --> 01:28:24.560 Y'all are like man cav got a lot smarter when 1518 01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:27.479 DJ brought on the other Chavians. And yes, you're right, 1519 01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:32.600 that's correct. That was by design. Yeah, and Scott probably 1520 01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:35.720 may or may not be aware one and these everybody 1521 01:28:35.720 --> 01:28:38.880 I can get head nods. The Vatican has one of 1522 01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:43.560 the biggest collection of UFO information and data that's out 1523 01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:48.359 there that is sealed and various. Only certain people have 1524 01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:52.720 access to it. Doctor Diana Pisolka, who is a theologian, 1525 01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:59.560 and I believe it's NC Charlotte No NCT and UNC Wilmington. 1526 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:04.439 She is one of the PhDs. She's a religious professor 1527 01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:08.399 of religion, and she has access to the archives at 1528 01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:13.479 the Vatican and and their collection of UFO information because 1529 01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:17.079 they are very much into astronomy at the Vatican. I 1530 01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:23.399 think we had one other question here that's really so 1531 01:29:24.039 --> 01:29:25.680 Nathan mm hmm. 1532 01:29:26.439 --> 01:29:34.960 Yeah, well, I mean that's if you question Nathan, Well, 1533 01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:39.800 I love this question, right because it's a simple question, 1534 01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:42.000 but there is a lot to unpack. And the first 1535 01:29:42.039 --> 01:29:44.199 thing that I want to kind of focus on is 1536 01:29:44.520 --> 01:29:50.399 this notion of technology. Right, You've heard my co host 1537 01:29:50.479 --> 01:29:54.119 talk about sightings in history and how those sightings have 1538 01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:58.760 been explained in the sort of context of familiar objects 1539 01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:01.039 at the time. So you you know, even Scott mentioned 1540 01:30:01.039 --> 01:30:04.600 in his comment the chariots of the gods. You've got 1541 01:30:04.680 --> 01:30:08.840 shields in the sky, You've got you know, angels, angelic beings. 1542 01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:13.039 You know, there are all kinds of different associations to 1543 01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:16.520 things that are in the sky that kind of fit 1544 01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:21.359 very neatly and nicely with that the technological kind of 1545 01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:25.199 advancements or or norms of the day. You know, airships 1546 01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:28.680 was a big thing in the late eighteen hundreds, these 1547 01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:32.119 airships that would be seen in the skies, blimps in 1548 01:30:32.159 --> 01:30:36.920 other words. And so the point being that, you know, 1549 01:30:37.119 --> 01:30:38.960 we look at this stuff and we we kind of 1550 01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:42.920 immediately jump to technology. Why because it takes our technology 1551 01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:45.640 to do any you know, things that might be remotely 1552 01:30:45.760 --> 01:30:48.359 similar to what these things can do. You know, for 1553 01:30:48.479 --> 01:30:52.239 us to defy gravity, we have to have, you know, technology, 1554 01:30:52.920 --> 01:30:57.079 for us to project something into the sky, we have 1555 01:30:57.239 --> 01:31:00.800 to have technology. And so we look at Phenomenmannah from 1556 01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:06.159 a technological lens, from a lens of engineering and science 1557 01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:10.039 and know how, and so then we map that experience 1558 01:31:10.239 --> 01:31:13.560 onto what the phenomena is. And it may not actually 1559 01:31:13.600 --> 01:31:17.600 be technological, right, it may be biological. It's just something 1560 01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:21.000 that is part of nature, that that that can happen 1561 01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:24.560 on its own through other forms of life and the 1562 01:31:24.640 --> 01:31:28.680 way in which they behave with the environment. Other aspects 1563 01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:30.760 of that could be you know, we haven't touched on it. 1564 01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:34.880 But the interdimensional component, right, so these could be higher 1565 01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:39.640 dimensional beings that in our three dimensional experience that this 1566 01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:42.359 is what they look like, but in a higher dimension 1567 01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:45.560 they are far more complicated, and so it looks like 1568 01:31:45.680 --> 01:31:48.520 technology to us, but to them it's just you know, 1569 01:31:48.640 --> 01:31:51.720 how they interact with reality. So it's it's a great question. 1570 01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:53.479 I don't have an answer for you, and I think 1571 01:31:53.520 --> 01:31:57.039 that that's the frustrating part. You know, it's give you 1572 01:31:57.079 --> 01:31:58.439 a quick answer, but you know. 1573 01:31:58.520 --> 01:31:59.119 I think it is. 1574 01:31:59.800 --> 01:32:02.479 It points to this notion that we've all kind of 1575 01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:05.119 hinted that here in this conversation, that we don't have 1576 01:32:05.199 --> 01:32:08.000 easy answers. And I think it's important for us to 1577 01:32:08.119 --> 01:32:13.520 avoid jumping to easy answers, because any of us will 1578 01:32:13.560 --> 01:32:15.560 tell you who we've all looked at this a lot, 1579 01:32:16.039 --> 01:32:20.399 but probably too much to an unhealthy degree in some situations. Right, 1580 01:32:20.760 --> 01:32:23.520 I certainly have. But if you do it long enough, 1581 01:32:23.640 --> 01:32:27.479 you realize that this stuff is super strange and it 1582 01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:32.560 defies conventional explanation, and for us to try to box 1583 01:32:32.640 --> 01:32:37.439 it in into a specific explanation I think is dangerous. 1584 01:32:37.479 --> 01:32:39.479 You know, Courtney kind of alluded to that earlier. It's 1585 01:32:39.560 --> 01:32:43.399 dangerous to do that. We need to instead, I think, 1586 01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:47.039 keep an open mind about what this might be and 1587 01:32:47.159 --> 01:32:52.000 be comfortable with that, be comfortable with not uncertainty uncertainty, 1588 01:32:52.119 --> 01:32:53.800 Right and DJ, you talked about that all the time, 1589 01:32:53.960 --> 01:32:57.399 like we just you know, to force ourselves into having 1590 01:32:57.439 --> 01:33:01.479 it all figured out, I think is just unhealthy for 1591 01:33:01.720 --> 01:33:05.479 life experience, but particularly when it comes to phenomenological experience. 1592 01:33:07.359 --> 01:33:09.520 Yeah, and I just want to share this real quick 1593 01:33:09.640 --> 01:33:12.279 so that people can get a sense. So there's doctor 1594 01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:16.399 Pisolca and if you go to full screen on your 1595 01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:19.640 and we've had her on Calling All Beings twice. We've 1596 01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:23.640 been blessed to have more PhDs on than I can 1597 01:33:24.279 --> 01:33:27.119 name like right away, but she is one of the 1598 01:33:27.199 --> 01:33:30.520 first ones I think that we had. But the reason 1599 01:33:30.600 --> 01:33:34.119 that I bring her up is is because Nathan's gonna 1600 01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:37.800 be upset because I'm gonna task him again. But see 1601 01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:44.039 in terms of looking at the phenomenon and applying a 1602 01:33:44.239 --> 01:33:48.520 name to them, like angel demon Nathan real quick, if 1603 01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:51.880 you can discuss what now, Doctor Pisolca again is not 1604 01:33:52.039 --> 01:33:55.960 only a practicing Catholic, but she has a PhD in 1605 01:33:56.079 --> 01:33:59.720 Religious studies, so and she's a practicing Catholic. She's not 1606 01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:04.000 just an academian that talks about religion to her classes. 1607 01:34:04.079 --> 01:34:07.560 She's a practicing Catholic and has been for her whole life. 1608 01:34:08.079 --> 01:34:12.159 And if you would just share what she says when 1609 01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:17.840 people when ancients talked about angels and how that actually 1610 01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:21.199 could be what what we talk about, like with a 1611 01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:25.079 gray is that they needed to apply a name to it, 1612 01:34:25.560 --> 01:34:28.079 and so they used a name that they knew. Yeah, 1613 01:34:28.199 --> 01:34:28.520 this is. 1614 01:34:30.079 --> 01:34:31.680 It kind of ties in with what I talked about 1615 01:34:31.680 --> 01:34:34.119 earlier on the show. That's that we bring to bear 1616 01:34:34.239 --> 01:34:38.680 on these experiences are our frameworks, and and she's very 1617 01:34:38.760 --> 01:34:42.399 good about about pointing that out, both in historical text 1618 01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:45.920 but also even in modern media, how the how modern 1619 01:34:46.239 --> 01:34:52.600 media influences our interpretation of phenomenological experiences. You know, the 1620 01:34:52.720 --> 01:34:55.319 movies that you have seen growing up close, encounters of 1621 01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:59.640 the third kind, you know, aliens in Independence day, you know, 1622 01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:03.720 all the these things began kind of getting entangled with 1623 01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:06.279 your own way of looking at the world, and that 1624 01:35:06.640 --> 01:35:08.680 that what comes out of that is a little bit 1625 01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:13.279 of a hodgepodge of of of meaning making that is 1626 01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:17.720 dictated by those, uh, you know, fictional accounts. 1627 01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:18.000 Right. 1628 01:35:18.079 --> 01:35:20.600 So it's it's it's it's a mix. But I want 1629 01:35:20.640 --> 01:35:22.800 to I want to because we're talking about angels. We 1630 01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:25.000 did talk about demons earlier. I do want to point 1631 01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:28.720 out that, you know, there's an energetic component to the phenomena. 1632 01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:32.159 And we've maybe barely touched on this, but but you know, 1633 01:35:32.319 --> 01:35:36.880 there are energetic aspects of phenomenological experience that that fall 1634 01:35:37.039 --> 01:35:42.159 into these cookie cutter buckets of angelic and demonic, right, 1635 01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:45.880 And so I think it's okay in some ways to 1636 01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:51.359 think of them from that perspective because a reaction to 1637 01:35:51.439 --> 01:35:53.880 the phenomena in some instances, and you hear this from 1638 01:35:53.920 --> 01:35:57.680 experiences whove had first hand experience of beings can often 1639 01:35:57.760 --> 01:36:00.600 be that, oh, these were beings of light, they were benevolent, 1640 01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:03.199 they were nothing but you know, light and love. Or 1641 01:36:03.439 --> 01:36:06.680 I was absolutely terrified. They tormented me, I was abducted, 1642 01:36:06.720 --> 01:36:09.520 I was I was experimented on. You know, these two 1643 01:36:10.159 --> 01:36:14.239 experiences are seem on face to be completely at odds, 1644 01:36:14.279 --> 01:36:18.479 at opposition, but they have energetic aspects that we would 1645 01:36:19.039 --> 01:36:23.119 maybe want to label as angelic or demonic. And I 1646 01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:27.640 think those classifications are are okay, but maybe not the 1647 01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:31.840 final place to land. There are good maps that they're 1648 01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:32.680 not the territory. 1649 01:36:34.239 --> 01:36:38.319 And she also talked about from a characteristic standpoint that 1650 01:36:38.479 --> 01:36:42.720 when she saw them performing certain things, you know, performing 1651 01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:47.760 physical actions, you know, where they would float or do something, 1652 01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:51.039 and she believes that they may have labeled them as 1653 01:36:51.199 --> 01:36:54.359 something that you know, they used the name angel, but 1654 01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:57.920 she believes does I'm not saying I believe this or disbelieved, 1655 01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:00.520 because I don't really have a you know, I'm just 1656 01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:03.640 listening to her say it, but she believes that they 1657 01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:05.960 what they were looking at may have been in non 1658 01:37:06.039 --> 01:37:09.479 human intelligence, and that is what they used, something that 1659 01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:11.600 they knew, and they referred to it as angels. We 1660 01:37:11.680 --> 01:37:15.159 can give you another example. Uh. Debs has talked about 1661 01:37:15.199 --> 01:37:20.439 this one Christopher Columbus Ray Debs talking about is it 1662 01:37:20.600 --> 01:37:22.760 was it candles going into and out of the water 1663 01:37:23.239 --> 01:37:23.880 or something like that. 1664 01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:27.359 That was the term he used in his journal throwing 1665 01:37:27.479 --> 01:37:29.319 his travel mm hmm. 1666 01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:34.479 Right, So so this is it's it's it's associative in nature. 1667 01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:38.640 You know, I don't know what a light is because 1668 01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:41.039 lights haven't been invented yet, but I do know candles, 1669 01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:45.000 and so something that was bright going into or coming 1670 01:37:45.079 --> 01:37:47.960 out of the ocean he described in his ship's log. 1671 01:37:49.039 --> 01:37:52.960 For the Romans, what they were able to associate was 1672 01:37:53.079 --> 01:37:57.520 something that was the state. This the shape of their shields, uh, 1673 01:37:57.800 --> 01:37:59.880 that were flying through the air. So they called it 1674 01:38:00.439 --> 01:38:04.960 flaming shields. And we have had people here talk about, oh, 1675 01:38:05.039 --> 01:38:09.520 well I saw a bright plasma dripping off of these craft? 1676 01:38:09.720 --> 01:38:13.000 How many how many of those have have Courtney in Debs? 1677 01:38:13.479 --> 01:38:16.119 You know of those have they heard written about or 1678 01:38:16.319 --> 01:38:17.399 been been told about. 1679 01:38:18.680 --> 01:38:21.079 I just wanted to bring this up too, Sorry to 1680 01:38:21.159 --> 01:38:23.880 break in on you. I thought maybe you did. 1681 01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:25.960 You want to please please, ma'am. 1682 01:38:26.520 --> 01:38:28.880 One of the papers that Diana wrote that brought her, 1683 01:38:28.960 --> 01:38:33.640 I think, attention and into the field was her paper 1684 01:38:33.680 --> 01:38:36.119 about that one effect. Do you remember? It was a 1685 01:38:36.319 --> 01:38:39.199 technological effect. I was just looking at an on scholar 1686 01:38:39.319 --> 01:38:42.359 trying to find it for the audience. What do you 1687 01:38:42.439 --> 01:38:44.399 guys remember what the name of it was? It was 1688 01:38:44.439 --> 01:38:46.760 a certain effect she wrote. It was one of her 1689 01:38:46.800 --> 01:38:50.119 earlier papers, and that's what people got interested in, and 1690 01:38:50.279 --> 01:38:54.199 that was really her segue into our community. It was 1691 01:38:54.239 --> 01:38:57.159 a it was an effect that was about media and 1692 01:38:57.279 --> 01:39:00.520 how it influences your perception and synchronous cities and all 1693 01:39:00.560 --> 01:39:02.680 these other things being tied into it. Do you remember, 1694 01:39:02.880 --> 01:39:03.640 I'm trying to find it? 1695 01:39:04.800 --> 01:39:07.399 Definitely goes into that in American Cosmic. That was the 1696 01:39:07.439 --> 01:39:09.800 book that really I think put her on the map. 1697 01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:11.880 I know she may have written earlier papers about it 1698 01:39:11.960 --> 01:39:14.920 as well, but she does touch on that in American Cosmic, 1699 01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:16.760 which I would highly recommend people pick up. 1700 01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:19.239 She doesn't she names the paper too. So I'm going 1701 01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:20.680 to go in and find it. I'm going to find 1702 01:39:20.720 --> 01:39:21.479 it before we leave. 1703 01:39:22.199 --> 01:39:26.279 Awesome, ye yeah, Dweling. We got about five minutes left debs. 1704 01:39:26.319 --> 01:39:27.239 Can you take this one? 1705 01:39:29.279 --> 01:39:34.079 Is the US seeing most of these drones? Well, okay, 1706 01:39:34.199 --> 01:39:36.199 so I just want to say one of the issues 1707 01:39:36.600 --> 01:39:39.520 that we're dealing with is that the US is not 1708 01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:43.239 agreeing on who is supposed to be watching these drones. 1709 01:39:44.520 --> 01:39:51.560 So they mentioned that certain divisions like the FBI and 1710 01:39:51.680 --> 01:39:55.479 Homeland Security are supposed to be taking care of the 1711 01:39:55.600 --> 01:39:59.800 drones over the United States, and as we know, the 1712 01:40:00.119 --> 01:40:07.319 FBI is investigating. But they also recently revealed that they 1713 01:40:07.399 --> 01:40:14.960 are trying to supply the bases with drone sensing technology. 1714 01:40:16.840 --> 01:40:19.199 And I don't know that I think it's just because 1715 01:40:19.239 --> 01:40:22.840 of this one instance, because again, they wrote up this 1716 01:40:23.800 --> 01:40:28.439 thing on December second, and this is by far not 1717 01:40:28.600 --> 01:40:29.800 the first time this has. 1718 01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:32.079 Happened, like, not even close. 1719 01:40:33.119 --> 01:40:39.960 So so in addition to Homeland and the FBI working 1720 01:40:40.079 --> 01:40:43.600 on getting eyes on this, the bases will have what 1721 01:40:43.760 --> 01:40:47.640 they need to get their eyes on these drones. However, 1722 01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:52.239 as far as the DoD is concerned, they're only interested 1723 01:40:52.920 --> 01:40:58.560 in what's happening in the military side, and internationally is 1724 01:40:58.640 --> 01:41:01.359 where they tend to put their eyes and they are 1725 01:41:01.520 --> 01:41:08.439 aware of drones significantly internationally. So yeah, I'm sorry, that's 1726 01:41:08.439 --> 01:41:10.800 not a queer answer. But those are the eyes on it, 1727 01:41:11.239 --> 01:41:13.720 so to speak. And the police, of course, are trying 1728 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:16.920 to use their own drones, and we've seen footage and 1729 01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:21.439 stuff from them attempting to document what's going on. And 1730 01:41:21.680 --> 01:41:28.039 there's been tons of eyewitness testimony and that includes from mayors, 1731 01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:31.560 as we have heard, all of the mayors in New 1732 01:41:31.680 --> 01:41:35.680 Jersey have met together to talk about this, which is 1733 01:41:36.239 --> 01:41:39.560 probably a historic thing. Imagine that's what's written in the 1734 01:41:39.640 --> 01:41:42.680 history book. You know, all the mayors came to talk 1735 01:41:42.720 --> 01:41:46.600 about unknown objects flying over their skies. 1736 01:41:47.079 --> 01:41:47.319 Yay. 1737 01:41:48.359 --> 01:41:54.079 So a lot of eyewitness visuals on it from really 1738 01:41:54.199 --> 01:41:55.239 reliable sources. 1739 01:41:57.079 --> 01:41:59.720 Yeah. I think though the crux of her question was 1740 01:41:59.800 --> 01:42:03.079 it's not only a US thing. I think that you 1741 01:42:03.279 --> 01:42:06.640 correct me if I was wrong about that. But I 1742 01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:09.159 think that was the crux of it, and it's not 1743 01:42:09.359 --> 01:42:12.680 just a US thing, it's totally not there have been seen. 1744 01:42:12.800 --> 01:42:15.479 And that was Lulu. I believe that they asked that question. 1745 01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:18.199 I think Lulu is Lisa, who I've just gotten to 1746 01:42:18.199 --> 01:42:22.640 speak with, because I think Louli's in Massachusetts. But yet 1747 01:42:22.920 --> 01:42:25.399 a couple of days ago, I got a call from 1748 01:42:26.159 --> 01:42:29.279 another one of our listeners from New Jersey that was 1749 01:42:29.319 --> 01:42:31.479 seeing him at her house. I think I told I 1750 01:42:31.560 --> 01:42:34.239 may have told Nathan about that. So yeah, she has 1751 01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:38.760 seen them and some of the characteristics seemed anomalous to me. 1752 01:42:39.399 --> 01:42:44.680 Yeah, so its more seeing. There's also reports about the sounds, 1753 01:42:45.039 --> 01:42:47.479 like they're not just hearing plane sounds. 1754 01:42:47.880 --> 01:42:48.039 You know. 1755 01:42:48.279 --> 01:42:55.720 Someone doing a newscast and interviewing about it said that 1756 01:42:56.159 --> 01:42:58.880 that sounded like a motorcycle was over their house and 1757 01:42:59.000 --> 01:42:59.920 it was very scary. 1758 01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:04.399 Yeah, it is. It is odd to hear a V 1759 01:43:04.520 --> 01:43:09.800 Twin Harley sounding above your house. But we're going to 1760 01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:12.239 wrap it up. So if anybody has a last question 1761 01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:19.920 or not otherwise, get you know, last Cabby Cabby's last thoughts. 1762 01:43:22.319 --> 01:43:25.279 Yes, I found it in my files and in my 1763 01:43:25.399 --> 01:43:27.680 old files. I actually didn't find it by searching it 1764 01:43:27.760 --> 01:43:30.880 in the book or Google scholar. But it's called the 1765 01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:36.640 Spectrum of Human Techno Hybridity, hybriddity. 1766 01:43:36.079 --> 01:43:37.199 The total hybridity. 1767 01:43:37.399 --> 01:43:40.600 Oh boy, the total recall effect. That's what I remember. 1768 01:43:40.680 --> 01:43:43.000 The total recall effect is the thing that I remember 1769 01:43:43.560 --> 01:43:46.319 that she wrote that you know, people were interested in 1770 01:43:46.439 --> 01:43:49.520 that led to introductions and books and other things. So 1771 01:43:49.600 --> 01:43:51.960 the total recall effect. I'm happy I found it. I 1772 01:43:51.960 --> 01:43:53.279 always feel good when I find it. 1773 01:43:53.600 --> 01:43:54.960 That makes that would have bugged me. 1774 01:43:54.960 --> 01:43:56.199 Too, right. 1775 01:43:57.520 --> 01:44:00.600 I wanted to comment if I can, on what has 1776 01:44:00.720 --> 01:44:05.600 just said about her concerns with demons. So I know 1777 01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:08.840 that Nathan is by far the greater expert on this, 1778 01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:11.359 but I have gone down the research path on this 1779 01:44:12.039 --> 01:44:16.439 because I was considering writing a book and I just 1780 01:44:16.479 --> 01:44:19.680 sort of put it on pause, unfortunately. But one of 1781 01:44:19.720 --> 01:44:23.800 the things I looked at was demons, and I discovered, 1782 01:44:24.159 --> 01:44:27.840 to my surprise, that there was no one single devil. 1783 01:44:28.039 --> 01:44:33.000 For instance, there were about twenty different entities that were 1784 01:44:33.119 --> 01:44:36.159 described as being the devil, but they had different names. 1785 01:44:36.840 --> 01:44:39.600 And the more I looked into it, I found out 1786 01:44:39.640 --> 01:44:44.560 like even gods were actually equated to demons at one point, 1787 01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:50.039 the like mythological gods. So our idea of demons really 1788 01:44:50.119 --> 01:44:54.359 stems from religion, but historically that idea has changed over 1789 01:44:54.600 --> 01:44:58.920 the centuries. And the gin, for instance, is another term 1790 01:44:59.520 --> 01:45:02.000 that's some as to the concept of a demon, but 1791 01:45:02.079 --> 01:45:06.600 they're more like a gremlin or a trickster, and if 1792 01:45:06.640 --> 01:45:10.680 you look into religions, there are trickster gods there too, 1793 01:45:11.640 --> 01:45:16.079 So it's like question mark about what is demon really like? 1794 01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:18.560 What is that Is it just something that's a little 1795 01:45:18.560 --> 01:45:21.399 bit more mischievous. Is there a real evil? 1796 01:45:21.800 --> 01:45:22.039 Yes? 1797 01:45:22.560 --> 01:45:24.640 Is it just in entities? 1798 01:45:24.840 --> 01:45:24.880 No? 1799 01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:27.159 The humanity has so much evil? 1800 01:45:27.199 --> 01:45:27.680 Oh my god. 1801 01:45:29.760 --> 01:45:32.680 And speaking of non human intelligence, you guys forgot to 1802 01:45:32.800 --> 01:45:37.159 mention that example. God, Okay, sorry I had to say that. 1803 01:45:38.920 --> 01:45:43.520 All right, all right, thank you. Deb's Deb will always 1804 01:45:43.560 --> 01:45:45.600 throw grenade in the end of the show. I love 1805 01:45:45.640 --> 01:45:48.960 it because she Yeah, it's not going to end peacefully. 1806 01:45:49.000 --> 01:45:51.279 But I got one from classic Clippy that I'm gonna 1807 01:45:51.479 --> 01:45:53.479 I'm going to try to address here, and then you 1808 01:45:53.560 --> 01:45:57.600 guys feel free to weigh in on this after, you know, 1809 01:45:57.880 --> 01:45:59.960 because you guys may have a different opinion of this thing, 1810 01:46:00.039 --> 01:46:00.359 and I do. 1811 01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:05.720 So I think that's one of the fascinating things, don't 1812 01:46:05.760 --> 01:46:07.279 you DJ the SUV drone. 1813 01:46:08.159 --> 01:46:10.439 Well, yeah, I'm going to I'm going to try to 1814 01:46:10.520 --> 01:46:15.399 tackle this, so classic Clippy kind of what I'm thinking 1815 01:46:15.439 --> 01:46:20.079 about here is, first of all, what altitude are we 1816 01:46:20.199 --> 01:46:23.920 talking about? If we are talking about an altitude where 1817 01:46:24.079 --> 01:46:28.159 someone walks out of their home and they're seeing something 1818 01:46:28.279 --> 01:46:31.680 that is in the hundreds of feet, so a thousand 1819 01:46:31.800 --> 01:46:35.560 or less above their home, and in some cases, you know, 1820 01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:38.760 even closer than that and the lower hundreds of feet 1821 01:46:38.920 --> 01:46:43.119 like five hundred or less, and they're seeing something that 1822 01:46:43.600 --> 01:46:47.680 appears to be SUV size. So the first question I'm 1823 01:46:47.720 --> 01:46:51.159 going to ask at that altitude is am I hearing 1824 01:46:51.439 --> 01:46:55.199 the sound of mechanical propulsion? And you've heard luel Zando 1825 01:46:55.319 --> 01:46:57.640 talking about that. So what I mean by that is 1826 01:46:58.279 --> 01:47:02.600 do I have propellers or do I have some sort 1827 01:47:02.640 --> 01:47:06.399 of a gas turbine also called a jet engine that 1828 01:47:06.600 --> 01:47:10.600 is powering that? If I'm not hearing that? So what 1829 01:47:11.960 --> 01:47:14.800 Chante is saying here? And thank you for your incredible 1830 01:47:15.760 --> 01:47:20.000 contributions tonight, Chante. Then, and I'm going to go back 1831 01:47:20.039 --> 01:47:21.720 to what you said right here. I want to put 1832 01:47:21.760 --> 01:47:25.960 your comment up there. Classic. I'm thinking that's anomalous if 1833 01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:29.520 I see that. I'm also looking at shapes. We have 1834 01:47:29.840 --> 01:47:35.000 geometric shapes that we hear. We hear cylindrical, we hear rectangular. 1835 01:47:36.199 --> 01:47:38.920 Everybody here and maybe not most of you in the 1836 01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:45.159 chat have seen Jeremy Corbell's pyramidle gate not triangle, but 1837 01:47:45.359 --> 01:47:53.039 three dimensional pyramidle gaped green objects hovering off the USS 1838 01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:56.720 Russell within a bank of clouds. But you can clearly 1839 01:47:56.920 --> 01:48:02.640 see a flashing triumid a pyramid. So we're talking cylinders, 1840 01:48:03.159 --> 01:48:08.119 we're talking rectangles that are three dimensional rectangles like a box. 1841 01:48:08.800 --> 01:48:13.560 We are talking pyramids. What I can tell you from 1842 01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:19.319 an aerospace perspective is those shapes don't fly as we 1843 01:48:21.079 --> 01:48:24.760 as we would would describe that. They don't follow Bernoulli's 1844 01:48:24.800 --> 01:48:28.399 theorem of being able to use a wing form to 1845 01:48:28.600 --> 01:48:32.239 create lift. And when you have a rotary wing asset 1846 01:48:32.600 --> 01:48:37.119 like a drone or a helicopter, then the wing form 1847 01:48:37.479 --> 01:48:41.840 are actually those rotor blades. Those are wings that you 1848 01:48:42.000 --> 01:48:45.359 see spinning in the air, and they just in and 1849 01:48:45.479 --> 01:48:49.520 of themselves will create lift. What a helicopter or a 1850 01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:51.720 drone is able to do is when they pull on 1851 01:48:51.840 --> 01:48:54.920 the collective even though that let's picture. We have a 1852 01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:58.399 wing here where it's fatter at the front at the 1853 01:48:58.520 --> 01:49:02.359 front and then thin at the rear, and its shaped 1854 01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:04.760 like a tear drop. What you would be looking at 1855 01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:06.960 a tear drop right here. I'm sorry, I from getting 1856 01:49:07.000 --> 01:49:09.479 my hand. You should be looking at a tear drop. 1857 01:49:10.039 --> 01:49:13.640 Putting that through the air and slightly flatter on the 1858 01:49:13.680 --> 01:49:16.600 bottom will create lift. But what they do is they 1859 01:49:17.359 --> 01:49:20.840 angle those blades down to bite more air. That is 1860 01:49:20.920 --> 01:49:25.079 how a helicopter will rise, and then they'll flatten that blade. 1861 01:49:25.119 --> 01:49:28.520 When they want to hover some, they'll flatten it some. 1862 01:49:29.520 --> 01:49:31.960 When they want to gain altitude, they'll pitch it. A 1863 01:49:32.159 --> 01:49:35.159 drone works exactly the same way. So if I had 1864 01:49:35.239 --> 01:49:41.119 a geometric shape the size of an SUV hovering over 1865 01:49:41.239 --> 01:49:46.039 somebody's house, I would consider that anomblous. But if it's 1866 01:49:46.159 --> 01:49:51.399 particularly if it's silent, most importantly, perhaps if it's silent, 1867 01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:55.760 because that shape does not create lift. I don't hear 1868 01:49:55.960 --> 01:50:00.079 the sound of mechanical propulsion, and at that range I 1869 01:50:00.199 --> 01:50:03.000 should hear it. And if I don't hear it and 1870 01:50:03.119 --> 01:50:08.000 it's hovering there, that's an anomalous craft to me. Okay, 1871 01:50:08.119 --> 01:50:09.119 can That's what I would say? 1872 01:50:09.199 --> 01:50:13.720 Yes, Since since you're more knowledgeable on this, can you 1873 01:50:13.880 --> 01:50:16.640 please also point out something that you and I discussed. 1874 01:50:17.239 --> 01:50:22.119 They're using a term like drones very liberally because that 1875 01:50:22.239 --> 01:50:25.479 is what the public understands. But there are other crafts 1876 01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:32.000 they're unmanned, that are larger, called UAVs unmanned aerial aerial vehicles, 1877 01:50:32.560 --> 01:50:38.479 so large that one time they were writing in a 1878 01:50:38.600 --> 01:50:43.640 truck with one in the back in Bethesda, Maryland, And 1879 01:50:43.840 --> 01:50:46.840 there's there's actually pictures of this. Everyone was calling it 1880 01:50:46.880 --> 01:50:49.239 and saying there's a UFO being driven in a truck 1881 01:50:49.720 --> 01:50:53.880 because it was this large, flat pancake like thing and 1882 01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:56.399 they're like, what is this. It's a it's a UFO. 1883 01:50:57.399 --> 01:51:00.800 And Lockheed Martin has also put one out on their 1884 01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:05.239 porch for people to take photos of for whatever reason. 1885 01:51:05.319 --> 01:51:08.359 I don't know, but we know that there are and 1886 01:51:08.600 --> 01:51:11.600 of course there were reports, Oh that's a UAV. Could 1887 01:51:11.640 --> 01:51:14.560 you please just tell people about UAV's real quick, because 1888 01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:17.520 I want people to understand that drone is. They're probably 1889 01:51:17.600 --> 01:51:19.880 thinking the little thing you could buy from Amazon, But 1890 01:51:20.079 --> 01:51:25.199 UAVs is what the SUV shaped size thing could potentially 1891 01:51:25.359 --> 01:51:28.880 be unless it's not making noise, et cetera. 1892 01:51:30.479 --> 01:51:35.000 Yeah, Unfortunately, the UAVs, so we talked earlier, the MQ 1893 01:51:35.319 --> 01:51:37.680 one is not used by the Air Force. It was 1894 01:51:37.760 --> 01:51:41.520 called the Predator. It's a little smaller, uh. And this 1895 01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:46.960 is a fixed wing turboprop aircraft unmanned aerial vehicle, as 1896 01:51:47.039 --> 01:51:49.600 Deb said, And you could see that where the cockpit 1897 01:51:49.880 --> 01:51:52.119 would be, it's kind of wide. I could get a 1898 01:51:52.359 --> 01:51:56.840 photo of one if you while I'm talking here. And 1899 01:51:57.840 --> 01:52:00.640 or the MQ nine Reaper or the r Q four 1900 01:52:00.840 --> 01:52:03.880 that we mentioned earlier. That's jet powered. So let me 1901 01:52:04.039 --> 01:52:06.399 let me bring up an m Q nine reaper. 1902 01:52:07.479 --> 01:52:10.560 And I'm hoping that you also DJ talk about the 1903 01:52:11.479 --> 01:52:13.880 flight time because I have a friend who used to 1904 01:52:13.960 --> 01:52:16.359 work for GM and he was working at GM back 1905 01:52:16.399 --> 01:52:19.760 in the nineties working on a UAV with hydrogen to 1906 01:52:19.920 --> 01:52:22.520 extend the life flight time. So will you talk about 1907 01:52:22.560 --> 01:52:24.640 that for people, like how long they can be in 1908 01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:24.960 the air. 1909 01:52:25.720 --> 01:52:29.560 Yeah. So somebody was saying the other day that I 1910 01:52:29.680 --> 01:52:32.520 think it was that guy Mark D'Antonio was on with 1911 01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:39.520 On with Matt and Willis and he was talking about, oh, 1912 01:52:39.640 --> 01:52:41.359 this is this is a good one here if I 1913 01:52:41.439 --> 01:52:45.960 can get it to come up. And he was talking about, oh, 1914 01:52:46.039 --> 01:52:49.560 there's a hydrogen powered one, and he says it has 1915 01:52:50.760 --> 01:52:55.640 fourteen hours of dwell time. Here, and let me just 1916 01:52:55.680 --> 01:52:57.920 show you what the m Q nine looks like real quick, 1917 01:52:58.840 --> 01:53:05.680 so you can see, Okay, this is what it looks like. 1918 01:53:07.239 --> 01:53:10.199 There go and now I can put it on the stage. 1919 01:53:10.560 --> 01:53:12.319 So this is an m Q nine right here, and 1920 01:53:12.399 --> 01:53:15.039 you can see how it's domed, where the cockpit is, 1921 01:53:15.359 --> 01:53:18.439 here's the sensor. So these guys are more than likely 1922 01:53:18.600 --> 01:53:21.840 up there looking if there's a craft that any government 1923 01:53:22.039 --> 01:53:25.359 entity thinks is anomalous. This would be one of the 1924 01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:30.000 craft right here that would probably be up and looking 1925 01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:33.960 at it with that sensor right there. And I don't 1926 01:53:34.039 --> 01:53:36.720 know exactly I think these guys might have, like in 1927 01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:38.960 the right conditions, they might be able to stay up 1928 01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:42.399 in the air eighteen hours, maybe a little less than that. 1929 01:53:42.520 --> 01:53:46.479 I'd have to go look because they're not refuelable, so 1930 01:53:46.560 --> 01:53:49.119 they have to land them and then put and they'll 1931 01:53:49.399 --> 01:53:53.039 put another one on station before they relieve this one. Anyway, 1932 01:53:54.279 --> 01:53:57.600 So Mark Antonio talked about a hydrogen powered one and 1933 01:53:57.680 --> 01:54:01.560 he said it might have fourteen hours of dwell time, 1934 01:54:01.920 --> 01:54:04.079 but he said it goes like sixty miles an hour, 1935 01:54:04.760 --> 01:54:06.479 and he said they could be coming as far as 1936 01:54:06.520 --> 01:54:10.880 from North Africa. And I'm like, Mark, I don't think 1937 01:54:10.880 --> 01:54:14.159 they're gonna make it across the Atlantic Ocean from North 1938 01:54:14.239 --> 01:54:19.199 Africa to Jersey in fourteen hours. And if they did, 1939 01:54:19.319 --> 01:54:21.479 and they won't, they wouldn't be able to make it 1940 01:54:21.560 --> 01:54:25.039 back because the aircraft it would fly from North Africa 1941 01:54:25.119 --> 01:54:27.920 to Jersey, you'd want to be doing about six hundred knots, 1942 01:54:28.039 --> 01:54:30.640 not sixty knots, so they would run out of gas. 1943 01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:34.680 And they would become fish food in the Atlantic Ocean somewhere. 1944 01:54:35.039 --> 01:54:37.479 And how much do you think it costs approximately for that? 1945 01:54:39.239 --> 01:54:42.439 I mean, he looked it up on air. If you 1946 01:54:42.479 --> 01:54:46.520 guys go to Martin Willis's what is it called? Podcast? 1947 01:54:46.640 --> 01:54:51.279 UFO said his name of it, that's right, podcast podcast 1948 01:54:51.399 --> 01:54:54.079 UFO and he names the company and he looks it up. 1949 01:54:54.119 --> 01:54:55.560 But there's not going to be a lot of those 1950 01:54:55.600 --> 01:54:57.720 around that are gonna be And even if it is 1951 01:54:57.840 --> 01:55:01.319 hydrogen powered, hydrogen powered doesn't mean that it's not a 1952 01:55:01.439 --> 01:55:06.239 mechanical engine. It just means it's using a zero mission 1953 01:55:06.760 --> 01:55:12.119 sustainable fuel that we that we like. But yeah, so anyway, 1954 01:55:13.479 --> 01:55:16.279 that's that's that drone. I'm unfamiliar with it, but I'm 1955 01:55:16.359 --> 01:55:20.359 not I'm not thinking that's the source of our issue. 1956 01:55:20.399 --> 01:55:23.359 As Nathan said at the beginning, we have hobbyist drones. 1957 01:55:23.439 --> 01:55:26.680 We have sheriffs like Ocean County, New Jersey, show them 1958 01:55:26.760 --> 01:55:29.840 launching their sheriff's drones and they had ir on theirs. 1959 01:55:30.439 --> 01:55:33.920 Then you have maybe three letter agency d D Homeland 1960 01:55:33.960 --> 01:55:39.399 security drones. And then we have as deb said, UAVs 1961 01:55:39.439 --> 01:55:42.319 that are probably up there looking. You may have rotary 1962 01:55:42.399 --> 01:55:45.399 wing I mean there are helicopters that have great sensors 1963 01:55:45.439 --> 01:55:48.000 on them that can see these things, and then you 1964 01:55:48.159 --> 01:55:50.880 also probably have fighter or wing aircraft that can look 1965 01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:53.760 at them. Plus we haven't even gotten into if they 1966 01:55:53.840 --> 01:55:56.960 decide to launch AC one thirty's up there, because AC 1967 01:55:57.079 --> 01:55:59.720 one thirty can sit there and go orbit for six 1968 01:55:59.800 --> 01:56:04.199 hours with two great m X twenty five L three 1969 01:56:04.399 --> 01:56:07.159 sensors on it, and then go refuel and have another 1970 01:56:07.760 --> 01:56:10.199 you know, go REFILM, come back and get on station. 1971 01:56:10.720 --> 01:56:13.039 So there's plenty of assets that can be up there, 1972 01:56:13.199 --> 01:56:15.960 mixed in with probably some u as. 1973 01:56:16.960 --> 01:56:17.159 Yeah. 1974 01:56:17.199 --> 01:56:20.800 I was able to put two of the three links 1975 01:56:21.079 --> 01:56:24.720 I put in our chat are related to what I 1976 01:56:24.840 --> 01:56:26.600 was talking about that I don't know what happened with 1977 01:56:26.640 --> 01:56:29.920 the middle link, But the first one that you could 1978 01:56:30.079 --> 01:56:35.640 perhaps put in to the YouTube chat is the one 1979 01:56:35.880 --> 01:56:39.520 in the Beltway, and then the last one is the 1980 01:56:39.680 --> 01:56:42.920 one that was spotted at Lockheed Martin. So these were 1981 01:56:43.039 --> 01:56:47.279 the UAVs that I was mentioning that look very anomalous, 1982 01:56:47.399 --> 01:56:49.119 but they are ua vs. 1983 01:56:50.359 --> 01:56:54.840 Yeah, No, absolutely, I there's and there is there's a 1984 01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:57.560 lot of stuff out there. There's a lot of gamesmanship 1985 01:56:57.640 --> 01:56:58.079 that goes on. 1986 01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:01.439 See if I can get this one up there. That's 1987 01:57:01.520 --> 01:57:05.720 my microphone chrome tab. Let me see there it is. Okay, 1988 01:57:05.880 --> 01:57:08.520 let's see if this soul, if the soul, come on. 1989 01:57:09.720 --> 01:57:12.000 I have trouble sharing chrome to chrome. I don't know 1990 01:57:12.039 --> 01:57:14.960 why that is, Nathan, I can share for Oh, there goes, 1991 01:57:15.119 --> 01:57:21.920 there goes. Okay, now it's up there, come on, baby, 1992 01:57:23.079 --> 01:57:25.600 there she goes. All right, So this is what Deb 1993 01:57:25.760 --> 01:57:26.319 is talking about. 1994 01:57:26.399 --> 01:57:28.479 And if you see real clearly that clearly looks like 1995 01:57:28.520 --> 01:57:32.840 a UFO, let me I'll scroll it so that you 1996 01:57:32.960 --> 01:57:36.399 can see up a little bit. See that right there. 1997 01:57:37.840 --> 01:57:39.880 So there's a lot of games in the ship that 1998 01:57:39.960 --> 01:57:42.760 goes on. Deb knows. I don't get too excited about 1999 01:57:42.880 --> 01:57:45.399 t R three b's and all this crap that they 2000 01:57:45.479 --> 01:57:47.840 throw out there because they want you to believe that 2001 01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:51.439 we're producing, you know, anomalous craft, and I'm mostly not 2002 01:57:52.279 --> 01:57:54.800 into it. I'll tell you something else. My voice is 2003 01:57:54.840 --> 01:57:57.640 about shot for the night, so we're gonna have to 2004 01:57:57.680 --> 01:58:05.359 say farewell and goodbye, and yeah it's my it's about 2005 01:58:05.479 --> 01:58:09.680 toast right now. So uh, let me go back to 2006 01:58:09.800 --> 01:58:13.960 the chat so we can say goodbye. Thank you everybody 2007 01:58:14.920 --> 01:58:18.600 to your drop shape. That is correct. You guys were 2008 01:58:18.680 --> 01:58:22.479 phenomenal tonight to chat. You gave us a lot of 2009 01:58:22.560 --> 01:58:27.119 cool stuff to talk about, and I we will do 2010 01:58:27.199 --> 01:58:31.319 it again and have another one of these. We'll get 2011 01:58:31.800 --> 01:58:34.600 the cabs back together and and start mixing in some 2012 01:58:34.840 --> 01:58:40.319 cabin Dellick business. So final comments Nathan before we go. 2013 01:58:41.439 --> 01:58:43.119 Yeah, just it's it is great to be back, and 2014 01:58:43.920 --> 01:58:46.279 thank you all for for joining us and participating in 2015 01:58:46.279 --> 01:58:51.239 the conversation. Awesome participation, great questions, you know, for those 2016 01:58:51.279 --> 01:58:53.000 we hear new to the subject and really want to 2017 01:58:53.079 --> 01:58:55.319 learn more. I I want to highlight a couple of 2018 01:58:55.439 --> 01:58:58.560 videos or movies that you could you know, watch. I 2019 01:58:58.600 --> 01:59:01.359 would start with a movie called The Phenomena documentary from 2020 01:59:01.479 --> 01:59:03.600 James Fox. That's a really good one to start with. 2021 01:59:04.239 --> 01:59:08.800 Follow it up with the uh, what what is the 2022 01:59:08.880 --> 01:59:10.640 Virginia one called? Guys, I'm saying that. 2023 01:59:10.800 --> 01:59:16.199 It's yeah, I can't remember what it's called, but you can. 2024 01:59:16.279 --> 01:59:17.239 Moment of contact. 2025 01:59:17.359 --> 01:59:20.239 Thank you, Moment of contact. Thank you cornys for the same. 2026 01:59:20.399 --> 01:59:22.319 Let me just for the obscure information. 2027 01:59:24.079 --> 01:59:27.520 So good, So we start with that. Start with the Phenomena, 2028 01:59:27.560 --> 01:59:29.520 which is a great place to start get oriented to 2029 01:59:29.640 --> 01:59:32.760 this topic. Moment of contact, which is an amazing first 2030 01:59:32.800 --> 01:59:35.960 hand account story in Brazil, and then his most recent 2031 01:59:36.000 --> 01:59:40.279 one that just came out yesterday called The Program. You 2032 01:59:40.359 --> 01:59:43.520 can find that on Apple TV, Amazon Prime Video, a 2033 01:59:43.600 --> 01:59:45.439 lot of places. I've watched it. 2034 01:59:45.520 --> 01:59:48.359 It's great recommend I'll be watching that to die Baby. 2035 01:59:48.880 --> 01:59:51.840 Good stuff, so watch that. But and again, great to 2036 01:59:51.880 --> 01:59:52.680 be back with everybody. 2037 01:59:52.760 --> 01:59:53.520 We'll do this again. 2038 01:59:53.600 --> 01:59:55.800 It's really really fun to get back with you guys 2039 01:59:55.840 --> 01:59:58.680 and have these conversations. And I can I can basically 2040 01:59:58.800 --> 02:00:01.159 commit it's only going to get weirder from here. We're 2041 02:00:01.159 --> 02:00:03.479 going to get into some other subjects that will be 2042 02:00:04.279 --> 02:00:07.520 a little bit weirder and wilder than just drones. 2043 02:00:07.840 --> 02:00:12.359 So go ahead. 2044 02:00:12.560 --> 02:00:12.960 Yeah, I was. 2045 02:00:14.479 --> 02:00:17.560 Just going to say happy holidays. First of all, let's 2046 02:00:17.640 --> 02:00:20.520 not forget what time of year it is. Happy holidays, kay. 2047 02:00:21.840 --> 02:00:24.920 I was also going to say, like, you know, I 2048 02:00:25.479 --> 02:00:28.359 think this highlights just the need for us to be 2049 02:00:28.399 --> 02:00:32.439 able to have these conversations. What is going on is 2050 02:00:32.520 --> 02:00:35.880 something we all want to know, and it's okay to 2051 02:00:35.960 --> 02:00:38.560 ask that question, and it's okay to do research and 2052 02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:42.319 go really deep into it and to discover things that 2053 02:00:42.439 --> 02:00:45.520 open your eyes. And I think, you know, I did 2054 02:00:45.800 --> 02:00:48.800 a lot of my research as DJ knows just with 2055 02:00:48.960 --> 02:00:53.680 my phone in the beginning. You can find everything on 2056 02:00:53.880 --> 02:00:57.199 your own, have your own adventure, go down your own path. 2057 02:00:57.680 --> 02:01:01.439 Don't be afraid, Like if you ask your neighbor, did 2058 02:01:01.520 --> 02:01:04.640 you ever have a psychic dream? One of them probably 2059 02:01:04.760 --> 02:01:08.520 did you ever asked someone, hey, what's that dayja boo? Feeling? 2060 02:01:09.600 --> 02:01:13.720 Other people have it. It's a human thing, right, so yeah, 2061 02:01:13.760 --> 02:01:16.439 don't be afraid to ask the questions and do the research. 2062 02:01:16.520 --> 02:01:17.039 It's out there. 2063 02:01:20.479 --> 02:01:24.399 I'm going to end with what Sherry de said our 2064 02:01:24.560 --> 02:01:28.159 rock star for tonight. Treat others with love and respect. 2065 02:01:29.159 --> 02:01:32.800 And if you are helping other people who are grasping 2066 02:01:32.880 --> 02:01:37.680 to try to understand a contact experience or an encounter, 2067 02:01:38.920 --> 02:01:41.079 one of the greatest gifts you can give is the 2068 02:01:41.159 --> 02:01:43.239 gift of presents, which is your full self. 2069 02:01:46.600 --> 02:01:49.000 Oh my god, you got you know. I can't tell 2070 02:01:49.039 --> 02:01:52.039 you how much I missed you. Guys. Look at this, 2071 02:01:52.359 --> 02:01:56.119 Ernie Birdie still here. Thank you so much, Blue LaBelle, 2072 02:01:57.159 --> 02:02:00.960 thank you love, Thank you for blessing us with your 2073 02:02:01.000 --> 02:02:05.560 presence and your energy tonight, Deanna, every I like, I 2074 02:02:05.840 --> 02:02:07.439 can't even name all of you because all of you 2075 02:02:07.520 --> 02:02:11.800 were so amazing. Scott Land Priot Radio that yeah, tomorrow 2076 02:02:11.920 --> 02:02:17.800 night I'll be on with Adam. Yeah, I believe Eastern, 2077 02:02:18.399 --> 02:02:20.600 which means Courtney can watch because she won't be a 2078 02:02:20.640 --> 02:02:27.239 sleep yet. And thank you. Just just a pleasure to 2079 02:02:27.319 --> 02:02:28.960 be back on air with you guys. I missed you 2080 02:02:29.039 --> 02:02:33.920 guys a lot. You you are are Karen Reid. Audience 2081 02:02:34.000 --> 02:02:37.239 that's here, which is basically most of the audience here 2082 02:02:37.319 --> 02:02:40.600 believe is like Karen Reid and there they love listening 2083 02:02:40.680 --> 02:02:45.800 to you and how intelligent and researched and caring and 2084 02:02:46.079 --> 02:02:50.000 smart you are. So whatever the audience is that that 2085 02:02:50.279 --> 02:02:53.520 that have I've cultivated with Karen Reid. They fell in 2086 02:02:53.600 --> 02:02:58.920 love with you just like I did. So that's really 2087 02:02:59.680 --> 02:03:03.199 you know, it just really feels good. And I'm you know, 2088 02:03:03.520 --> 02:03:06.560 it's what I expected what happened, and that's what happened. 2089 02:03:06.680 --> 02:03:10.680 So I needed a Karen read break. Absolutely, you know 2090 02:03:11.319 --> 02:03:13.279 there's you know we all do you know we did 2091 02:03:13.359 --> 02:03:16.159 a music episode where we did nothing but talk rock 2092 02:03:16.279 --> 02:03:20.680 music of for Karen Reid content creators and these guys. 2093 02:03:20.720 --> 02:03:23.119 You can see why I love these guys. They're absolutely 2094 02:03:23.199 --> 02:03:30.359 amazing And thank you so on behalf of Nathan and 2095 02:03:30.600 --> 02:03:36.680 Debs and Courtney. This is DJ saying peace out one love, 2096 02:03:37.840 --> 02:03:40.680 We'll see you down the road, and as always, we 2097 02:03:40.840 --> 02:04:00.920 wonder F