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that medal into cash with Premier Medal. Well, hello friends,

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my birthday weekend may have gotten a little bit too festive.

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Let's just say Adval and Gatorade have become my emotional

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support animals. So while I recover, I'm digging out one

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of my favorite episodes from the archives. Almost two years ago,

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September twentieth, twenty twenty three, I sat down with the

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co owner and co founder of the legendary House of Guitars,

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armand Shawbrook, and this interview is an absolute blast, chaotic, fun,

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slightly unhinged, just like the House of Guitars itself. We

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cover everything from Armine's friendship with Andy Warhol, his time

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in Juvie and it Wasn't for Library Fines, his upbringing,

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and of course, the birth of Rochester's crown jewel of

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rock and roll retail chaos. It's one of those conversations

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where you learn, laugh, and maybe wonder if you've accidentally

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ingested something while listening. I don't know, so while I

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recover from my birthday Shenanigans. Please enjoy this trip back

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through the Bilified archives. It's hands down one of the

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best on location and driven by Victor Chrystler Dots G.

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Speaker 2: Brown, It's Bilified the Bill Moran Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Well, hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on,

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Thanks for telling a friend. That's how we supported the

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pirate ship and spread the word. Speaking of pirate ships, today,

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I am in the legendary store that ate your brain,

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The Great House of Guitars with Armin Shawbrook the Colner.

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How's it going by friends? Oh? Really? Well, you know,

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it's funny to me because you look around here and

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it's like an organized chaos. Yes, you know. I remember

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coming in here and asking for albums and people would

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just sift through and within seconds you'd have it. You'd

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have it. And I was telling you before we started,

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Like one of my first experiences when I came to Rochester,

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I went to Saint John Fisher University was coming for

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a midnight release for the Pearl jam Imports with my roommate.

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Oh yeah, back in back then. But you have built something.

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Do you think of yourself as iconic? No?

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Speaker 3: I don't look at it that way, but I mean

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at the store itself is world renowned.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, And uh.

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Speaker 3: We were hoped, we were kind of planning that we

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were gonna get pretty big in the beginning, you were,

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but we started out very humble. We were pretty broke.

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Speaker 1: In their early days.

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Speaker 3: We had to sleep behind the amps because we couldn't

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afford insurance, you know, and for the star and we'd

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wake up in the morning when somebody was knocking at

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Speaker 1: And then but now that where was that? Because you

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originally was in your mom's basement, right right, right? But

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I feel like the whole idea has been to sort

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of in a way, I don't want to say, buck

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the system, but almost to be kind of that rabble rouser,

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only in that the other guitar shops at the time

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weren't allowing you to play right. You couldn't touch the equipment, right,

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and you guys went, well, that doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: Right, And uh, they were kind of like jewelry stores, look,

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but don't touch. And if you're young, you got to

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come back with your parents are not going to give you.

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Speaker 1: An attention at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they and then when you got there, they

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took down a guitar. They didn't have a lot of them,

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they had a few good ones, and then they put

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it down on a little rug in the glass case.

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Then you could just look at it and they'd talk price.

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Speaker 1: You know, said, but you couldn't pick it up here,

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what it sounded like, you feel like, what it felt

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in your hand.

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Speaker 3: Definitely couldn't. They didn't usually even let you touch it,

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but definitely wouldn't plug you in, you know. Yeah, but

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at the same time, in the cellar in my mother's

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house there's young kids all over the cellar pounding through

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big ams.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: It was total opposite, and they didn't.

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Speaker 1: Like they didn't like us coming in.

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Speaker 3: So you couldn't trade in back then because they they

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thought the US would make the new look bad. Yes,

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but we didn't care. We were trading everything for anything.

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We're totally changed. So what a music start was?

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Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, almost anti establishment in a way. Would

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that be fair to say, you're.

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Speaker 3: Probably right, but we weren't aiming for the assist that

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we were, you know what, you were younger selves and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so from there it grows and eventually you came

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to the location we're at. Yes, in what seventy one

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seventy two.

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Speaker 3: Around then, we it's like we had some trouble getting

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the building, and uh, why was that.

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Speaker 1: Because because of who you were and what you were doing.

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That not who you were, but more like they didn't

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want music in here or they kind of like stores

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that just.

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Speaker 3: Worked with Arondicoit itself, you know, but they didn't like stars.

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It would draw from all over. Yeah, and you know,

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and they were even they were nervous and hippies and

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hippies were just college kids most of them, you know.

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Speaker 1: But you weren't a hippie. No, I wasn't a hippie.

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I always think like you were more. Maybe I'm wrong,

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but I always got kind of a fifties vibe. Yeah,

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I grew up in the fifties. Yeah. So that kind

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of rockabilly music you played, I've seen you play. I

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saw you out here, Oh yeah at Ice Square jump

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up and I was blown away. Oh my god, I

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had no idea. Oh thanks, I didn't know you played.

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But were there bands and things growing up? Were you

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part of bands? Yes?

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Speaker 3: I had one of their early well recorded when I

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was like fifteen years old on South Avenue when South

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Avenue and Saint Paul kind of meets and it was

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like six floors up at Vince Jan's studio, and I

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remember I had to wait until Gene Cornish, one of

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his local bands, was recording, and then afterward I went

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up with my.

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Speaker 1: Little soupro guitar.

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Speaker 3: It's an electric guitar but inexpensive fun and I did

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show down and.

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Speaker 1: Roaming deer like de e a R. You know.

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Speaker 3: I did my two songs and left with an acetate

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you know.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And then I had friends like voted up. Remember BBF

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used to have that call in where you get.

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Speaker 1: You could call in, so you had your friends, Yeah, yeah,

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why not? I spread the word. I would even hey,

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he marketed yourself.

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Speaker 3: I'd call around and like I'd sing for one girl

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over the phone, and then she give me another friend

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and another friend.

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Speaker 1: I'd be singing my song one on one. Wow. Once

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I like a politician. You gotta go door to door, yeah,

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shake hands yeah. And then they all voted and liked it.

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And then Nick Nixon called me, and then I went

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up to BBF and then he says, it's.

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Speaker 3: Good, but I can't play it. I don't have a

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BMI or aspect. Oh, because I was only about fifteen

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independent stuff anyway, I don't know, but he said, we

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can't play it without one or the other. And I

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and I just left wondering, Bill Will, what is it?

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Speaker 1: BMI? What is the aspect? I don't right right because

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it's just the way that they were making money.

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Speaker 3: It was nineteen fifty eight, you know, I was around then.

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So but then I I got Aronicquate when I first

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had the radio station, and Ironicquate they played in a

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home room and then I got a lot of attention

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after all day, you know. Oh, so there was a

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radio power radio station here and in the high school,

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made high in the high school, so they played at

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w r Q. Now it's amazing what a guitar and

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a little talent can do when it comes to the

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female persuasion.

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Speaker 1: Well, rock and roll was brand new, and I don't

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think any of.

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Speaker 3: The DJs liked it at all, so really yeah, I

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mean they liked what they were playing before, you know

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how much as they had Doggie in the window, the

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one with the waggly tail, Ye, songs like that, you know.

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Speaker 1: So when I started in radio, was the original hits

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of the forties, fifties and sixties. Oh well, in Poughkeepsie.

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So I started playing all that stuff, which was I

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mean ancient music to me at the time, Yes, but

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it was this stuff. So yeah, you're you're really in

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a groundbreaking time basically in everything.

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Speaker 3: They're like, if it's stinks, it might make it. Yeah,

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they didn't like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was that was the idea, and you

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kind of knew what the youth wanted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which I was only, you know, about seventeen years old.

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Speaker 1: So, and how old were you when you start?

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Speaker 3: I was about I was younger than that, I was

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sixteen fifteen then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you started the store, were you about twenty

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twenty twenty? Yeah, and you had lived here? What were

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you doing prior to that?

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Speaker 3: I graduated from high school, but I got in trouble

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as a kid, and then I was sent up to

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Almira Reformatory for three years, but I did a year

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and a half inside and then I was paroled back

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to Rochester and I worked at Skips meat Market on

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Front Street and Main Street Near's Bullhead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and I.

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Speaker 3: Learned a lot from mister Lombardo. He's passed away now,

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but he gave me a job from inside there. And

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you need one to get out, and then I learned

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a lot from him, and then I started the House

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of Guitars at the same time in the basement of

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my house. But that back then it wasn't It was

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only open sporadically because I had to work.

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Speaker 1: So you were just you. So you had to say

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at your house, where were you getting the guitars from?

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Were you purchasing them from?

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Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't spend no money on myself at all.

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Everything went back in the store, and uh, we would

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just keep buying and buying use from band members that

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were selling them.

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Speaker 1: Oh and then so then you and then you would

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So basically you were flipping guitars. Today they call it

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with flipping cars and flipp You were buying, like I

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used to coment and say, that's a great We were

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buying new too, buying new too, right yeah when you

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could right yeah. Yeah. And you're working at skips yeah.

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And you're on parole yeah, which is a whole thing

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because you got a parole officer and all that. Right.

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May I ask what got you up to the reform school.

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Speaker 3: Uh, burgery. I committed a burgery in wester Ron. They

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catch you, They just never caught us. At the scene,

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but we one of the guys with us. I wasn't

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in on that one. But he hit a gas station

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and broke in. Never no violence, it's always at night.

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But he broke in and he stole the timing light

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and some tires or something.

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Speaker 1: But I wasn't down that one.

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Speaker 3: And he, uh, he found out a kid owned it,

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and we never stole from other kids. So I told him,

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we'll just throw it on his lawn and you know,

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take off. And he walked up to him and told him.

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Speaker 1: Amen, I robbed your store, but here's your stuff back,

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is what he said.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that guy they cops picked him up. Well, anyways,

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he was in it. I guess he was in a

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little trouble too. And suddenly he showed up back at

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the station with the timing light that was on the

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hot list, and then they broke.

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Speaker 1: Oh, so they broke him even though he owned the store.

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Speaker 3: No, no, he didn't know that. He just worked at

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a guest so he worked at it. So they go, hey,

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this was on the hot list, what are you doing

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with it? Thought it was stolen man, that's.

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Speaker 1: And so they get it. That's It seems like a

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lot of time for nothing. Yeah, you know what I mean,

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you look like today in the city. They wouldn't do it.

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Nothing else, no nothing, that's a non violent craw yeah. Yeah, wow.

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Speaker 3: And all the places we're hitting are insured and usually

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they almost every time when they in the papers, they

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claim we took way more than we took.

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Speaker 1: Of course, they gotta make it sound good. You got

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to tell papers arm and you know that goes. That's interesting.

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So out of that you come back was now you're

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a parent. I'm a parent. Yes, if that happens. Mom worried,

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Dad worried about you and the future. What are you

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going to do? Did you get those speeches or did it?

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Speaker 3: My father was like a permanent member in the Canadagua

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Hospital since the World War two, So I didn't know

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him that good because you weren't allowed in unless you

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were sixteen year older. So we if he felt good,

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he'd come out near the car and we'd see him

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a little bit tough. We didn't really know him that well,

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but we liked him and loved them, but not close.

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Speaker 1: You know. Sure, it's kind of weird. Yeah that is,

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and tough, I would assume.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And he tried to make it on the streets

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and then he'd have a crack up in the middle

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of the night. He was walking around with a knife

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making crow sounds. He worked as a sniper or something

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as a marine.

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Speaker 1: So was that like a signal to signal?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like the two snipers in the trees would call

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back and forth to each other. Anyways, he's like sleepwalking

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looking for Japanese and making crow sounds.

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Speaker 1: So wow, you know.

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Speaker 3: He'd have to go back. Man wars wars ugly, that's

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nothing pretty about it. It's no arms and heads flying,

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you know.

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Speaker 1: So out of all that, you you you kind of

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do you wind up sort of being I would assume

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mature at an early age? Is that fair? You know

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what I'm saying? Independent?

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Speaker 3: Because my mother were sure she had to work because uh,

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they got to feed everybody. Yeah, well they we got

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a government check, but it was very small, but it

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had to be just spent on us. And she couldn't

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pay for her house that her and her husband bought

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with the money, so she had a work to keep

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the house. And then we had social workers all the

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time on us, Like they even took my brother away

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and put them in a foster home for a while

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because I wasn't old enough to watch them, according to them,

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but you know, it ended up we were getting hostile.

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And they're the social workers back then weren't like today's

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where they're really trying to help you. Back then, they were,

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you know, looking for kids that take away and you know,

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and they're pretending they're reading a newspaper in front of

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your house and a car.

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Speaker 1: So is it fair to say like you? I mean, man,

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you made lemonade at a Lemons, right, I mean when

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you think about that beginning, yeah, and all the things

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that could have gone, How angry you could be, all

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this stuff. Every time I've run into you just seem

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pretty laid back, pretty happy. Yeah, and everything seems to

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be working just fine. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm not proud of that I stole or anything. Kid,

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I'm embarra about it. I'm sorry it was no problem. Yeah,

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but I mean but it's all over, kid.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I got arrested as a kid for fake

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ID and I mean, you know it just this stuff happens,

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I understand. So then from there you wind up, the

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store keeps growing and growing in popularity. What do you

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think it was that got it? Because I would say

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this is internationally known the Great House of guitary. It

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is all over the world. Yeah, so how does what's

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that like if you were to teach let's say, I'm surprised,

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and maybe you have. We've been brought in to teach

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a business course in a way to say, what is

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that one thing that sets you over? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Our weatitude, like we ended up with morals self morals,

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you know what I mean. Like if I really found

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a wallet on the ground, I was no longer that

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kid from at seventeen. I would try to find out

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whose it was and I wouldn't want to take it,

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you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So you think that like just good business practices.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and being fair all the time. We were the

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first discount instruments too, because we had low upkeep in

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our early days and they wouldn't go down to dining

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back then the other music stores. Yeah, and we would

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cut it, you know, well, I could cut it in half.

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I could cut it forty percent, stomach fifty bucks.

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Speaker 1: This is funny to me, but it almost feels like

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your upbringing kind of where you didn't have a lot. Yeah,

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and then I mean the house of guitars now right,

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you can find anywhere on the internet with the annual

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income or whatever it is. But I think you've always

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kept that mentality of I don't need a lot, I

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don't need, and that helped you kind of help the customer.

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Speaker 3: We were actually happy, my brother Bruce and my brother Blaine.

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At times he'd be working at the store, but we

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were actually happy when we were struggling in the early days,

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when we were sleeping in stores, and and you know,

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and if we sold the guitar, we would we wouldn't

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spend that money. If I gave a couple lessons, I'd

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take maybe friends that are hanging out helping, I take

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them across the street and buy them a cup of

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coffee and a hamburger. We were spoiling ourselves, right, but

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only music, lesson money, never.

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Speaker 1: Something that came out of a sale. You know.

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Speaker 3: All that went right back, right back, kept building more

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and more product.

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Speaker 1: So this, I mean slowly over the years. When do

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you think it really took off? Was it the eighties

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the nineties? Was it those TV commercials you did when

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your eyes were blown and you're hopping around with the

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money ears. Oh by then we were exploding. Yeah, you

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were exploding me those ads are iconic, and what I

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love about it is and this is the one thing

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I think for everybody that's so important is authenticity. Yeah.

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You are who you are. You didn't never try to

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fit into anybody else's mold. You were always just arming. Yeah,

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I have an odd sense of humor. Yeah, you know

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what I mean.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we like people. We love our customers. Yeah,

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a lot of them are actually friends. They've been shopping

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here for almost sixty years, you know. Yeah, so you

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know it's waiting on a buddy, you know.

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Speaker 1: But then you've gotten I mean to the point where

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I mean that wall.

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Speaker 3: Back there has you know, all the autograd.

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Speaker 1: Autographs that people would be, you know, just love to

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have themselves, you know, Stephen Tyler signing the wall. You know.

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Ozzie was a big thing in here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he did three in stores, once with Randy Rhodes,

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and he came back with Mottley Crue and we had

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Motley Crue and Ozzie at the same time. Ozzie's sitting

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here and Mottley Cruez in the vick for the Beck autograph.

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Speaker 1: All this you had the place out of the.

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Speaker 3: And then is Azzie's drumm and Carmen Peace was upstairs

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teaching a mass through drum class and police had barricades

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around all our buildings.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure, yeah, So how did these connections happen? Though?

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Like these guys walk in like they walk into a

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lot of stores, I'm sure, yeah, but they keep coming

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back here.

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Speaker 3: Well, they were doing official end stores. They agreed to audit, okay,

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and they posed with pictures with the fans if they

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want to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But I remember at one point in my radio career,

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I was around the country station in town. I wasn't

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on that, but we were in the same building in

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Sheryl Croquet Buy and she shopped here. But she came

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to shop here. She wasn't doing an in store. And

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that's what I'm saying is like the reputation of what

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the guitars were that it's it's got this iconic everything

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about it is so authentic you're not going to find

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it anywhere else.

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Speaker 3: In her case, she was after kind of a rare guitar.

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It wasn't old, but it was limited. It was a

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buck going signature metal fender and she couldn't find it

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anywhere in the country and we had one, so she

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come charging it, so she came in. But she's very brilliant.

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She's pointing to all the guitars, the vintage ones. Yeah,

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that's a fifty nine, that's a sixty two, Like do

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it you know, really better than most of them. We

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got to look it up in the book. Well we're

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pretty good at it. Yeah, But I mean, but she

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knew her style, she knew her stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's impressive. Is there anybody that you met along the

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way that sort of uh disappointed you that you were

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you thought, maybe I'm a little disappointed. I know you're huge,

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by the way, Bob Dylan fan. Have you ever had

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Bob ever come to the store, Not that.

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Speaker 3: We know of, because a lot of times he travels

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in incognito.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I grew up down near Woodstock, so as

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a kid I used to I mean, it was like

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I would hear stories of Dylan all the time. And

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he wasn't there when I was growing up, but he

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had been there and the band was still there, Levon

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Helman all and I always got like, as a child,

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I was going there we go with another Bob doing

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story people that I always but the music was great.

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He was a great story or is a great story writer. Yeah.

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I mean, is that your favorite?

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Speaker 3: He's one of my favorites. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, in terms

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of I look up to him as a great writer. Yeah,

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And I got to getting to like him. It takes

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a little while because he sounded a little bit like

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a hillbilly in the beginning. I mean, you know, not

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a pretty voice. But his voice is effective, even though

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we don't sing really well, but it's very effective. So

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his words stand out when he does them, you know.

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But so many people were having like top ten hits off.

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I'm like Peter Paul and Mary Exploded with Blowing in

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the Wind and then you know the Birds with Tambourine Man,

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and you know one one after Henrix with all along

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the Watchtower. They're all Dylan written songs, you know. And

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a guy in Rochester. This might be interesting. Spider John

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Kerner lived in a Rendequoit on Harvington Drive. But he

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was on a elektra in the early days, kind of

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right before Dylan, and he was in the Minnesota scene

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and he was helping teach Bob Things and the guitar

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real or Bob hit New York.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: But when Bob hit New York, he was crashing at

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everybody's apartments, you know. I mean he was struggling and

471
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,000
very close to the streets. He was, you know, he's

472
00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:19,319
playing in place as well. Maybe this club will feed

473
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,319
me and let me sleep in the back, you know,

474
00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:22,839
you know that kind of thing.

475
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:23,519
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't.

476
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,599
Speaker 3: He didn't make it with a instantly either.

477
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: No. No, And I'm hearing you talk about Dylan, but

478
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,960
I'm thinking of yourself too, did you you never you

479
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,640
said you always knew you'd be successful with this. We

480
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,799
thought we would be, Yeah, but did you think he'd

481
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:40,559
be here? We didn't know how big it would go,

482
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,359
but we had a lot of confidence. Yeah. You just

483
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,200
can't think otherwise. Yes, outside of here, because you seem

484
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:52,160
to have a lot of artistic talent. Think do you do?

485
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,400
There's other things. There's painting. Correct, you do artwork and

486
00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:00,359
still do art shows from time to time. Yeah.

487
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 3: I did one in Brooklyn. I think it was what

488
00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:10,519
three years ago, five years ago, I have no concept

489
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:15,880
the time, at a good major gallery. And we showed

490
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,079
up for the uh the opening, like for three days

491
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,759
we were there, but we sold enough house of guitar

492
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,799
shirts and everything to cover our trip hotel and everything.

493
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:29,960
And wow, but we got a lot of press on it.

494
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:34,640
We played telephone in the morning the day before like leaving,

495
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,599
and we used to get people on the phone, but

496
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,839
now we just leave messages. My name is Armine Shadbrook.

497
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,599
I'm an Exica and bah bah bah, I got paintings

498
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,720
in prison. And I'll also be there with a Rikers

499
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:50,039
Island guard who does photography and we're having a show.

500
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: At you know, and I got them out. Yeah, yeah,

501
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,839
sure were coming and yeah, this is great coverage. Someone

502
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,759
told me, well, I'll ask this first. Uh, certainly, when

503
00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:05,759
you get to the level that you get, there are

504
00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:10,240
going to be rumors about different things store or yourself. Yes,

505
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:13,480
what is the weirdest rumor you ever heard about yourself? Oh?

506
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,759
Speaker 3: I don't know so many of them really, yeah, yeah.

507
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean just things that you would look at people

508
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,119
and go where did that come from? I know, yeah,

509
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,960
I would think that it has to be did it

510
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,799
bother you? Because you seem to be a little bit

511
00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:26,559
more of a private person.

512
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm quiet, yeah, naturally, but I'm I'm not shy though,

513
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,519
but I know I am quiet, but uh, I don't know,

514
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,680
I don't know. Sometimes they come up with something and

515
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:41,640
they say they were with me.

516
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, when did we do this? You have

517
00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:49,920
more friends than you knew, right, I mean, yeah, the

518
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,960
stories go wild. Yeah, that's got to be. But I

519
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:59,799
did hear probably scared the town some to well. Where

520
00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:02,000
were sitting was a grange.

521
00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: Hall, correct, Yeah, the farmers all built the grange hall together.

522
00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: Right. Then.

523
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: They used to sell their vegetables out front and trucks

524
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,480
back when we had subway tracks there and then titas Okay,

525
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:18,480
but they'd sell sell their vegetables out of the truck

526
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:20,960
and inside here where we're sitting now, they used to

527
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:24,200
have square dancing, yeah, and different performers perform.

528
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:27,079
Speaker 1: Well, I grew up in a small town downstate. We

529
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,079
had a grange hall, right. There were usually small towns

530
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,440
that had that, and a lot of farming and agricultural

531
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:33,920
more or less was.

532
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:40,039
Speaker 3: And then there was and then trying to think of what. Oh,

533
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:44,359
the Masons used to have meetings on the second floor. Okay, yeah,

534
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,000
and I'm not sure what all that it's about, and

535
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:50,319
it's kind of secret secret, but they got little they

536
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:52,960
had little platforms and we came in and we heard

537
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,359
they sit on chairs with goat legs and all these

538
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,920
and something to do with the winds, the four winds,

539
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,240
yeah whatever.

540
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: So did you ever find anything left over when you

541
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,880
moved in here? Just like a lot of cabinets that

542
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,359
had the g in it. Yeah.

543
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 3: And then those four platforms were there still in place

544
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,119
on the second floor. But a lot of presidents were Masons. Yeah,

545
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,359
I mean it's that yeah, but they just looked out

546
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,920
for themselves kind of. And then someone from the Grange

547
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:28,440
from years ago kept an insurance policy and house of

548
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,759
guitarres at old eighteen under rates you know what I mean?

549
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:35,279
Oh really, And it wasn't a big one. It wasn't

550
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,839
enough to cover all our insurance, but they wanted to

551
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:38,519
be part of it.

552
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:38,799
Speaker 1: Still.

553
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: It kept this policy going for quite a few years.

554
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: That's funny.

555
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:47,119
Speaker 3: Insane rates, yeah, I mean twenty dollars a year.

556
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: You know, man, you're not going to get that anywhere. No.

557
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:54,640
I was told that you were friends with Andy Warhol.

558
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,279
Speaker 3: Yes, he was interested. I did a like, how.

559
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,839
Speaker 1: Does that come about? Out? I could see where the

560
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,400
two of you probably can you know, Yeah, I got

561
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,039
a way very well. Sure.

562
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: But he's kind of like the underground Master or something. Yeah,

563
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:19,759
And he's used to dealing with unknowns rather than famous people.

564
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: So I recorded.

565
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: A play by the rock opera where we do a

566
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,440
little acting and it leads to a song, and then

567
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:33,559
we play it and then we go on to our

568
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,640
next scene. And I kept going for three records. And

569
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,240
at first you know he was going to be an

570
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:40,720
Andy Warhawk Presents.

571
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:45,359
Speaker 1: And so he heard he heard your rock opera. How

572
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:46,680
did you well? I sent it to him.

573
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,559
Speaker 3: I sent it to This is kind of funny because

574
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:53,440
I I, uh called the Rondo Library and Who's Who

575
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,240
and had him look up his address and his phone

576
00:29:57,319 --> 00:29:58,799
number and everything was in there.

577
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: It was modern day Google, right. I called him on

578
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,640
the phone, but it was at his house. He lived

579
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,200
with his mother, he did, he lived with his mother,

580
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,799
and uh, and you called right to his house, right to.

581
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:14,519
Speaker 3: His house, and his mother's going and he and you

582
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:16,680
got one of your friends are in the phone. And

583
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:20,240
I got there and I said, well, my name is

584
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,880
Arman Shawbrook. I got in trouble as a kid, as

585
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,720
a youthful of funder. I'm not a convicted fellon. I

586
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,359
got a youthful funder status.

587
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

588
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: They offered us a y oh they call it and

589
00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:35,519
you can plead guilty. The leading like a bad life.

590
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:38,640
You're not pleading guilty, did the crime, then you don't.

591
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: Have a record. I'm not a convicted fella. Good. Yeah,

592
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,960
let me get me. It sounds the whole way out.

593
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,759
It's just such a technicalities. It's so silly.

594
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a plead deal. They didn't catch us

595
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,000
at the scene and offered us a plead deal, but

596
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:53,880
then they gave us the worst they could give us.

597
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: Kind of Yeah, so you tell him this.

598
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I got this tape and then and then

599
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,039
I out to him and he started going wild and

600
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,000
started calling our little store down the street here the

601
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:10,039
back in the early the middle sixties, and he said,

602
00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:12,279
please come to New York right away. And you know,

603
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:14,920
then we went to New York and he's talking to

604
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,079
play and everything, and he wanted us to sign up

605
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:21,799
on an off Broadway thing for where we would work

606
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,759
seven days a week for over a year. But the

607
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:28,279
only thing is every it was just Bruce and me

608
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:34,960
pretty much and one employee, Bob Huber back then, and

609
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:40,359
they were all in all in the play, so we couldn't.

610
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,079
We didn't want to close house with guitarists because that's

611
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:45,319
our Bradbasket our baby.

612
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:47,319
Speaker 1: So he wants you to come to New York and

613
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,480
do this. Yeah, now she needs the guys here to

614
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:50,160
keep running it.

615
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: Right, there's no one left to be Bruce and just

616
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:57,680
one other person. You know, our business was youe. So

617
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,319
I kept trying to talk him into a movie. It's

618
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:04,920
backwards because usually you do a play, then you send

619
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,519
you sell movie rights, then he sells soundtrack rights, and

620
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,720
you know, it goes like that. That's the best way

621
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:18,079
to get the most out of it. But I I.

622
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:19,279
Speaker 1: Was trying to switch him.

623
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: After a while, he started humoring, and finally he said,

624
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,640
I got a prison we could shoot it and you know,

625
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:27,200
and it sounded good because I could go there for

626
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,000
a period of time and then come back. Yeah. But

627
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,359
all of a sudden, oh he even said, I knew

628
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,720
John Hammond from Columbia and he had a lot of

629
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:43,200
interest to in it. He he he's the guy that

630
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:49,119
signed Bob Dylan and uh Springsteen and Stevie ray Vaughn

631
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:55,279
and Sonhouse. I had something to do with signing Billie Hollidays.

632
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:59,400
He signed Robert Johnson's son some house, you.

633
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,359
Speaker 1: Know, And this guy's interested now in your rock opera.

634
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:02,799
As well.

635
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I said, Andy wants you to pay for

636
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:12,440
the whole play for soundtrack. Right that he started stuttering.

637
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,559
I said, should I tell Andy know then? And then

638
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,759
he's a real nice guy. I mean, I don't mean

639
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:21,960
to disrespect him, he's a real nice guy. And he said, well,

640
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:24,359
tell mister Warhol when it's ready, we'll.

641
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: Come and see it. So it ended like that.

642
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: But then the girl came in and shot him and

643
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,319
he almost died. He was in the hospital for over

644
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,480
a year and it was hit fifty to fifty whether

645
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,440
he'd live or die, you know. And yeah, the girl

646
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,000
also shot a Paris art dealer in the arm, you know.

647
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,160
And I knew Andy kind of helped her get a

648
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:52,400
publishing deal, but she hated men and her men manifesto

649
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:53,839
or whatever she you.

650
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:56,599
Speaker 1: Know, man manifesto, but she.

651
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: Wow those I went there a little bit. Sandy has

652
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:03,880
helped there. Yeah, yeah, I don't think he was even

653
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,440
taking a cut. I think he just helped her. And

654
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:09,199
she charged it and shadow plaint blank in the chest

655
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,800
three times and a pair of s art dealer in

656
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:12,519
the arm.

657
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, and during that, So does that sort of

658
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,000
the end of your rock opera fora with him or

659
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:21,159
does it come back? It kind of comes back, but

660
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,360
I did give me one second. See how professional I am.

661
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,360
I realized I didn't plug in the cameras, so the

662
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:33,079
audio wasn't going to the cameras. I know. But while

663
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,760
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664
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669
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706
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707
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And Arman was telling us about Andy Warhol after he

708
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,719
got shot.

709
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,119
Speaker 3: When I got out of the hospit when he got

710
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:12,519
out of the hospital, I went there started seeing him

711
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:15,480
again and he allowed us right in. But his paranoid

712
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:19,320
I noticed the whole thing was so secure, like he

713
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:25,079
had an elevator door, hit a doorbell on the elevator door,

714
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,119
and then they had opened. Then you walk four feet.

715
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:30,719
Then there was a total metal thing with bulletproof glass.

716
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,079
Speaker 1: He hit a well, I don't he can't blame the

717
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:34,480
guy no.

718
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,119
Speaker 3: I don't blame him at all. And he's kind of

719
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,400
like didn't want the street people in the room anymore.

720
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,920
But there was Time magazine and you know, sitting there

721
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,239
like in a two hundred dollars suit and all these

722
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,920
people waiting for him, and he opens the door. And

723
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,880
that was with some strange characters. I had Rick Bradman,

724
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,639
who's on the he's on the thing, but he weighs

725
00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:57,679
like three hundred pounds.

726
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:58,519
Speaker 1: He's about six or.

727
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:02,599
Speaker 3: Four, you know, and he goes, ermann, come on in.

728
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: Oh.

729
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 3: First he goes come on in. Then Time went to

730
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,199
cut in front of us. Then uh he said no, no,

731
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:10,800
no Arman and his friends.

732
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: Wow.

733
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 3: So he still helped me, even though you know, he

734
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,800
was no longer Andy warholp percents because I put it

735
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,119
out already. But he still helped me, and he had

736
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,159
I went on the Joe Franklin Show on Channel nine

737
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:29,480
and New York p w P I X eleven news.

738
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:31,519
I knew, I knew Channel eleven. I grew Yeah.

739
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

740
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: They charged into my hotel room and it was a

741
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,079
little embarrassing because we had a lot of empty beer battles.

742
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: All over the place.

743
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: That's fine, and then that their public radio station played

744
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,639
my whole triple album after they interviewed me with with

745
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,039
nothing censored, And it was full of a lot of

746
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:56,119
f words and everything to make it real, like you say,

747
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:58,679
oh darn in prison, you know, so I had to

748
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,440
keep it real. And they just made an announcement that

749
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,920
if bad language disturbs you in any way, or sexual

750
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:11,519
situations or anything, please turn your radio off for the

751
00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:15,119
next three hours and funny minutes, Wow, have a warning,

752
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:16,000
and then played it.

753
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,679
Speaker 1: They straight out what was it at night? Usually there

754
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:19,480
was something called.

755
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,599
Speaker 3: No daytime, daytime daytime.

756
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:27,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. They interviewed me for a long time for it. Yeah,

757
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,679
so what where where does that all go? Where is

758
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:32,599
that now the rock? I had no idea you did that?

759
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:35,320
Oh it's out as a three album set, it is. Yeah,

760
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,679
here the house guitar is going to buy it? Yeah

761
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,639
you can right. Wow. And then so through all that

762
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,480
and Andy Warhol, did you spend time with him after? Yeah,

763
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:50,599
he kept helping me. Did he ever come up here? Uh? No,

764
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:51,920
he almost did.

765
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,039
Speaker 3: He got jealous once I said a second cousin of mine,

766
00:39:56,119 --> 00:40:00,480
Robert Kanjie's gonna he might be able to shoot some

767
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:04,079
scenes in that, and he called the Paul Paul Morrissey,

768
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:06,639
he was kind of his partner that did the movies.

769
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,639
Speaker 1: He goes, Paul, we're going to Rman.

770
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,559
Speaker 3: What is the name of the town, Ironically, We're going

771
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:14,599
to Ironically All I'm thinking, Oh, I'm going to bring

772
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:15,719
on the mcgills a lot.

773
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, give the tour.

774
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 3: We're gonna shoot some footage. Yeah, but he got shot

775
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:24,639
before that happened.

776
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:28,519
Speaker 1: Wow, it's an amazing You ever look back on your

777
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:32,719
life and go, boy, this has been an unbelievable ride. Yeah,

778
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,199
with interesting people.

779
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:38,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I was lucky in that in that way,

780
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:41,159
you know. Yeah, But I and I used to call people,

781
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,440
you know, I called Norman Mailer, talk to Norman Maineal,

782
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:47,840
Jimmy Breslin, talk to him. Just call them up, call

783
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,639
them up, tell them my story.

784
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: And you so you were pretty much marketing your yourself.

785
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,760
No one else would. But then you go along because

786
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,800
then there was the record label that I believe you

787
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,480
still have. Yeah, with the house guitarist. See, but you

788
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:08,599
helped others try to get so well, almost the way

789
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,880
Andy was helping.

790
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 3: You kind of. But there a lot of them are

791
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,159
very talented. We did don Potter over the Rainbow and

792
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,639
our label, you know. And Don just ended a Columbia contract.

793
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,800
That kind of helped. Happened because I was talking to

794
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,159
Epic about bringing it, putting out introducing Banton Don because

795
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:33,800
they weren't printing it anymore. Yeah, and then they told Don.

796
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,599
And then Don called me and he says his record

797
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:39,639
contracts over in a few months, said, and I talked

798
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:42,920
to him about doing a record at PCI, and he

799
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,559
bought John le Barbara, which is he's a real good

800
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:51,119
writer of you can write the score for every instrument,

801
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:51,440
you know.

802
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:54,079
Speaker 1: So he was a treasure to have.

803
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 3: And we did it at PCI, and then we had

804
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,519
a sign casts. We videoed it too, and we had

805
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:10,000
a simulcast later with Channel thirteen with I'm JQ, so

806
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:15,000
you could listen in stereo all wow together three two one.

807
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,519
Speaker 1: And they looked a TV and radio at the same time

808
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:23,079
the same time. What year was this, probably round seventy three,

809
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,400
seventy three? Oh yeah, man seven, I'm sorry seventy eight

810
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:30,920
okay still but yeah, so the technologies but that had

811
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,440
to be so that had to be pretty big for

812
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:33,840
the time.

813
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: I don't know about technology, but there just sitting. Then

814
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,719
well that's trying to sync that up, right, you know

815
00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:41,599
they'll think, yeah, both hitting play at the same right,

816
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:42,760
that's funny.

817
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it worked good.

818
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: I mean, you had big speakers next to your TV

819
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,559
and you kept the TV off if you wanted.

820
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: How did you get them to agree to do that?

821
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:53,000
I don't know.

822
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: I talked to Nick Nixon and he's the one that

823
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,159
helped me with I'm JQ. And yeah, thirteen was interested

824
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:02,920
because it died, and then twenty one called us after

825
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:04,960
and I said, oh, you want to run it?

826
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: And I said and they said, well no.

827
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: We want to do a whole new one and we're

828
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,039
going to pay the band real good. And then I said,

829
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,599
uh sure you know.

830
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: So did you end up almost managing some of these

831
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,360
guys as well? I don't know. No.

832
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 3: I wasn't into managing, ye was. I left them free there? Yeah?

833
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: But see all of this, it's incredible because it's all this,

834
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,719
but we helped them. We helped them. We know the

835
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,480
House of guitars, we don't really I didn't know about

836
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:36,039
the Rock Opera. I didn't know about the artwork stuff.

837
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,039
Oh yeah's all these other things. Where's the time everybody's

838
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:42,039
only got twenty four hours a day. I know your

839
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,559
son's work here now, and so you have a family,

840
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:47,039
you've got all that. Where did the time?

841
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,599
Speaker 3: Then we were doing Chesterfield King Yeah, and amcle at

842
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,159
Mary Yes. Then Dirty Looks we grabbed. They were a

843
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:59,400
Pennsylvania band, and I sent a tape to Z Rock.

844
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,639
I don't know if you know what that is.

845
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: It's like a syndicated thing because I almost got satellite. Yeah,

846
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,679
it was by satellite. So there was a station in

847
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,840
Poughkeepsie and they brought in Sebastian Bach. Oh okay in person.

848
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,519
So I'm at this station called WPDH and Poughkeepsie and

849
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:17,440
I'm down in some club and Sebastian Box shows up

850
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,079
and it's that radio stations night. It was the first

851
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:22,840
exposure to like a radio war because I'm twenty or

852
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,079
twenty one years old and here comes Sebastian Bach and

853
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:28,760
he's grabbing the microphone like out of my hand because

854
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,760
I'm supposed to be making announcements for the radio station.

855
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:33,039
And I wound up getting almost in a fish flight

856
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:35,440
with Sebastian Bach. And I always go back in my

857
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,599
head like how does that happen? But it was x RAQ. Yeah, yeah,

858
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,440
that syndicated. It was everywhere.

859
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 3: Well, anyways, they were pounding it, Mike Casun. They were

860
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:49,400
pounding it in drive time in Los Angeles, Chicago and

861
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,360
New York City, the whole country, and Billboard called and

862
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,639
interviewed me about it, and I just said, you know,

863
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,159
pushed their grope there. You know, very good group. They're

864
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,159
kind of got a little bit of feel of a

865
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,599
C d C. But I think they write better songs,

866
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:10,880
you know, not so much anthems. But they got some tricks,

867
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:15,360
you know where they take cut some oldies and you know,

868
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,559
I can't take my eyes of a few. Suddenly he's

869
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:19,039
in this metal song or something.

870
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:23,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a trick. But it's almost like ear

871
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:26,920
candy people, and you would almost be listening. The writer

872
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:29,519
is smart enough to do that kind of stuff, you know. Yeah,

873
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:33,000
and I heard that before, right, So what would you

874
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:37,880
say is your key to success? Because in a way,

875
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,800
it almost feels like you just followed what just felt

876
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,719
right and it just all worked out. I'm sure somewhere

877
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,960
along the line there was a stumble or something, but

878
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,559
you learn it seems like it's been a I find

879
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:54,559
you fascinating. Oh, thanks fascinating writing this and doing that,

880
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:56,920
and it just always just kind of creating.

881
00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: I have to kind of see how I can help

882
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,960
the band do it and to have a little plan

883
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:07,440
in mine or can I do it? And sometimes I can't,

884
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:10,679
you know, I don't have a right, you know, But

885
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,159
other times i'll but I don't give up, and I

886
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:16,440
don't put no heat in the bands, like we're not

887
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:19,280
making money at none of that stuff, and we just

888
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,840
keep going and going and pushing to it.

889
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: It breaks.

890
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 3: If the band stays together long enough, we're cool.

891
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,199
Speaker 1: We're going to make it.

892
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, But but I have to see the angle kind

893
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,880
of I have a little plan I could do something

894
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,920
with that kind of feel.

895
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that's interesting.

896
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 3: Then Bat came to us because Bat wanted to turn

897
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,239
from folk to country. So he put on an album

898
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,199
called Mister Wright, and then he had a top ten

899
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,320
hit with They took one of it Why On the

900
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,760
Judge took one of the songs and had a top

901
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,480
ten hit. Then Kenny Rogers took one of the songs

902
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,679
and put it on his album that Bat wrote not

903
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,199
off my album, but no right things he wrote particularly

904
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,400
for them. But all of a sudden it was happening,

905
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,280
because it's real hard to change your image and from

906
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,519
the public. If you're a folks singer and suddenly your

907
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:13,519
country the public don't go for it.

908
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: No, they don't. People don't like change.

909
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,039
Speaker 3: So we had to do the best we could. But

910
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:22,039
he had the right people behind him. Besides me, you

911
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:25,159
had you know, people on his from Nashville.

912
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,199
Speaker 1: And then on the other side of that, you've got

913
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,519
so the house of guitars originally just guitars. See, you've

914
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:34,199
got that whole business. When do you expand into kind

915
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:36,679
of the record side of things, not not so much

916
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,480
your record label, but where you're selling.

917
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 3: Oh, we just right right away, right away, and even

918
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,360
in my basement you did. You had a section of records.

919
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: You okay, and then that just slowly, so everything just

920
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:50,320
kind of just went yeah right to where that that

921
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,280
that's it's amazing you always because you know a lot

922
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,320
of times you hear different people. I had a grind

923
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,079
I had to do this. I'm sure there was you've

924
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,800
talked about it's starting your mom's basement, going along, but

925
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,119
it almost seems like the whole journey has been a

926
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:05,239
pleasure for the most part.

927
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some strains in it. But you know, like

928
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:13,880
deadlines that much for deadlines, right, and uh, you know

929
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:17,480
just the things that affect everyone, like deadlines and things

930
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:20,559
like that. Yeah, and problems come up and we just

931
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:21,400
take care of them.

932
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: How's how was it for COVID with how the guitar

933
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:27,800
did whatever we were allowed to do.

934
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,599
Speaker 3: We we never well, I think we had a shut

935
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:32,760
down for a couple of weeks.

936
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,559
Speaker 1: But the moment they said you.

937
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:38,199
Speaker 3: Could deliver to a car, suddenly we were bringing guitars

938
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:40,159
and every selling them.

939
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:42,679
Speaker 1: And I got to think a lot of people started

940
00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:45,440
playing guitar maybe or a lot. Well.

941
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 3: During COVID, all collectibles like records went way up in price,

942
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,320
all the use and all the baseball cards and all

943
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,599
the audience know that it went crazy because people had

944
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,559
nothing to do in their houses, so they were buying

945
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,480
all these collectibles.

946
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: Of the prices were soaring. You know. Yeah, who would

947
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,880
you say is kind of the biggest influence on your

948
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,719
life when you when you look at things. I don't know,

949
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,159
was there anybody I think I honestly got I know

950
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,239
a lot of people. Yeah, I don't know that I

951
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,760
know anybody who really went to the beat of their

952
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,920
own drum and just kind of did they did well.

953
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:26,559
Speaker 3: Warhol was important. I mean I saw the way he

954
00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:30,280
operated and it was so different, you know. You know

955
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,320
Warhol kind of say yeah, we'll do it and then

956
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,679
put it on Paul Morrissey to really do it.

957
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,679
Speaker 1: Was like his partner. Yeah, you know what I mean.

958
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: Paul will be in Europe shooting movies because it was

959
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:47,400
not Union in there, Okay, And Andy's on the phone

960
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,960
at night and talking about your RECLA wouldn't it be

961
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:53,199
nice if he was he couldn't eat, or he was

962
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,079
he could only drink virgin's blood and if he might

963
00:49:57,199 --> 00:49:59,760
die if he if they weren't a virgin because he's

964
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,000
a out and all these girls are after him. Yeah,

965
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:06,320
because he's rich and all these girls are lying. And

966
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,559
then he's the Count's rolling around throwing up all over

967
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:10,280
the room.

968
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: And so and he's the idea guy. Paul was the

969
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:18,599
executioner of us. Yeah, everybody works great to go. Yeah,

970
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:19,599
it's a great tandem.

971
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:22,199
Speaker 3: Not that Andy wouldn't I mean, he did his own

972
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,960
heart and I'm sure yeah, well I can't say that too.

973
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,960
He's walking around in the studio and he's going, oh,

974
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:30,760
that's very nice. He's got all these runaway art students

975
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:35,079
just had a little green or pink to hear, and.

976
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,199
Speaker 1: Then they do it, and then he goes along and

977
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,760
signs them. Um. So that's why he called it the factory.

978
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,880
That that's very interesting. I didn't know that at all.

979
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 3: Oh, he's funny, he keeps you know, he he was

980
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,800
painting with matella paint one time, you know, paintings. Uh,

981
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,039
this is a little bit of later years, and he's, uh,

982
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:00,599
he's he's planning to pee on all of them. Them

983
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,840
they you know, he's calling them the pea paintings. Okay, well,

984
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:07,840
and uh, he can't pay that much, he's telling me.

985
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,320
So he got a bunch of people off the street

986
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,559
the p in his paintings, and he's.

987
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,119
Speaker 1: Paying them.

988
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:19,519
Speaker 3: And the s and the p would would corrode the

989
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:24,239
metal metal paint and they could turn colors kind of

990
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:25,159
little green in it.

991
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: And please tell me he sold this for millions of dollars.

992
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: They were in a Paris art gallery, all on display,

993
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,679
and we just called them the pea paintings.

994
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,159
Speaker 1: But did you know did people know? Yeah, but did

995
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,159
they know that it wasn't Andy who peed on them? Yeah? Oh,

996
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:42,519
they did.

997
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,559
Speaker 3: He told reporters, I think he couldn't pet that much. Yeah,

998
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:54,119
I plan a piano, all of them giving them money

999
00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:57,280
and battles away. Yeah, and they're they're going up to

1000
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,239
the second Florida's a line.

1001
00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:03,519
Speaker 1: What a character?

1002
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and then the factories at our party all night. Yeah,

1003
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,480
and he leaves. And this I didn't understand about him.

1004
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,760
I had a lot of opportunities in the early days,

1005
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:18,400
but I was trying to keep it business. But he

1006
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,280
wanted me to go to his parties with them all night.

1007
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,760
And I was trying to keep it business, but I

1008
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,840
was wrong. That's how he helps you.

1009
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,679
Speaker 1: Make it, yeah, because he connects you to people in

1010
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:31,920
a more casual setting.

1011
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 3: This is the president of Warner Brothers Pictures armand you

1012
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,599
should do a movie on arm Mountain Story.

1013
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:39,119
Speaker 1: You know.

1014
00:52:39,679 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: That's how what he does. And he asks that schedule too,

1015
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,239
but they listen.

1016
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: Is there any regrets?

1017
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 3: Just that, just because the every time he'd ask me,

1018
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:51,199
let's I'm going a bunch of parties, Arman, would you

1019
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,360
come with me? And I go, oh no, no, I'll

1020
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,480
see you tomorrow afternoon.

1021
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: Were these like studio fifty four days? Yeah?

1022
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he was always doing them, you know, yeah,

1023
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:04,320
and you never went never went with them. I yeah,

1024
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:06,039
what's I blew it on that one?

1025
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you're doing what you think is right

1026
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,039
at the time and in terms of business, but try

1027
00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:12,719
to keep it all busy. See, I'm such a sucker

1028
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:13,559
for a party.

1029
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 3: That I oh, yeah, what about to make a fool

1030
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:19,280
of myself?

1031
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: Wow. That's the other thing is that i'd be on duty.

1032
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,039
He's a fine line, you got. Yeah, I'd be a professional.

1033
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:29,119
I'm on duty, get it. That's very that's very funny.

1034
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,480
But okay, another room, two more things. I'll just touch

1035
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:33,880
on these two things, and I'm sure you've got a

1036
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,360
million things to do today. Did you run for Senate? Yes?

1037
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 3: I ran for Senate fifty third district for of New York.

1038
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: Yes. When was this.

1039
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 3: Seventy two and seventy Senator Laverne was the senator at

1040
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:54,000
the time. Okay, But I ran against Gordon Dehan and

1041
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:59,519
uh a priest, a Catholic priest, and uh we had

1042
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:03,760
debates and everything on television. But I ran into the

1043
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,320
trouble there too, because they wouldn't talk about the things

1044
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,480
I wanted to talk about. And uh, the reporters at

1045
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:15,280
the television stations. Uh, have a preview thing with the

1046
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,679
two major candidates, and they decide what to talk about.

1047
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,599
Speaker 1: Oh and so you weren't one of the major candidates,

1048
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,360
you know, did you have did you.

1049
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,639
Speaker 3: We're all debating on the same floor though.

1050
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you? Did you know what they were talking?

1051
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,639
Did they give you like, here's what we're going to

1052
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:32,639
talk about ahead of time? Or were you were surprised? Yeah?

1053
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,639
Speaker 3: No's so like sabotage. Well, they don't pay a whole

1054
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:39,840
lot of attention. You got equal time. But yeah, but

1055
00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:44,079
uh it's their questions and they and all that has

1056
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:45,079
already set up.

1057
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, Yeah, what did you

1058
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,039
learn from that kind of experience? Was there anything you left?

1059
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,599
Speaker 3: I didn't like how it was set up like that.

1060
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:55,559
I felt funny about it, like that ain't pure news.

1061
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,039
Speaker 1: No, it's not. How about politics in general? For you?

1062
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all kind of spoil it for you. Yeah, well,

1063
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:05,920
not spoil it. I pulled a non talk thing and

1064
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,039
they took the camera off me. Then I turned my

1065
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:10,880
mic off. If you don't behave we won't turn your

1066
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,440
mic bick you know, right in the middle of those

1067
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:14,840
Sunday morning shows.

1068
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: Wait a second, what did you do? You turned your

1069
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:17,239
mic off?

1070
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,679
Speaker 3: I would talk about the subjects I wanted to anyway, Yeah,

1071
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,880
and they would they took the camera off me. Well,

1072
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,920
going on, and then they turn my mic off than

1073
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,760
they did, Wow, and and.

1074
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: And then that stuff doesn't make you Some people would

1075
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,840
would acquiesce to that. You know what I mean, give in,

1076
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:39,559
you're just holding your owns going now, that's not what

1077
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:41,000
I want to talk about. So you let them turn

1078
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:44,400
off the mic. Yeah, are you amusing? If I behave,

1079
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,960
they'll turn it back on. I said, I will, you know,

1080
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,199
And then they turned my mic. Bick, what were the

1081
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,159
issues that you wanted to talk about?

1082
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,159
Speaker 3: Prison reform? There was a lot of things against gay

1083
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,599
people that were ancient, you know, seventeen hundred stuff was

1084
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,480
more than three in a street corner. They could all

1085
00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:08,400
all be arrested, thrown in jail. I didn't know that

1086
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,400
ancient stuff, you know, that made no sound.

1087
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: They had three gay people on a corner. You could

1088
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,280
get arrested just for being okay's all right. So and

1089
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,039
you were saying things like this is wrong, this is wrong,

1090
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:18,679
this is.

1091
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: And the Gay Alliance was running. I was making radio

1092
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:26,880
ads for them, and they're running them in different stations.

1093
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,519
You know, one out of three people have homosexual tendencies.

1094
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:34,760
It could be your mother, your father, your sister, your

1095
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:35,360
best friend.

1096
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,199
Speaker 1: Okay. That had to freak people out at the time.

1097
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: Well, I just did, you know, I believed in what

1098
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:44,360
they what they said, and yeah, you know, and they

1099
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,559
were running at all, you know, in different stations in

1100
00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:47,920
the city when I was running.

1101
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: And then.

1102
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,199
Speaker 3: And then we had we had crazy posters and in

1103
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,159
pins it said learn a new lick.

1104
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: I meant it's a guitarre lick. Yeah, but they took.

1105
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so you've always kind of pushed against the grain

1106
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:08,000
a little bit, right, building the house guitars where you

1107
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,800
could actually touch and play the guitar and do that

1108
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,880
against the grain, and then you go here.

1109
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: That's a progressive mindset for nineteen seventy two in terms

1110
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,199
of you know what I mean right now. I was

1111
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:20,360
back in the sixties.

1112
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 3: Oh, back in the sixties, well, seventy two when I

1113
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:23,440
ran for office.

1114
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:25,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, like when you ran

1115
00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:29,679
for office too, that's progressive for the time with being

1116
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,239
forward about equal rights for gay people or even trying

1117
00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:35,920
to change some archaic laws, and.

1118
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,599
Speaker 3: The Liberal party trusted me. Yeah, and they said, well,

1119
00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:43,400
you can talk about anything you want and don't. And

1120
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,639
then I said I might not agree with the liberal

1121
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:48,599
stance all the day, and they said that's okay, yes,

1122
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:49,320
do it.

1123
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,079
Speaker 1: You know, So how old were you at that time.

1124
00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:57,119
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, probably still seventy two, I don't know,

1125
00:57:57,559 --> 00:57:59,320
I don't know, thirty.

1126
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:02,039
Speaker 1: Something, okay, all right, but a young man compared to

1127
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:05,079
probably stodgy old guys who have held office for a

1128
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:08,280
long time. They didn't want anything to do with you. No,

1129
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:11,800
definitely not that kind of nice to me though, I mean,

1130
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:15,199
I'm sure, well, there's sucking play. There's something that seems

1131
00:58:15,239 --> 00:58:19,719
to have left our society. Civility. I feel like in

1132
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,800
society there isn't and so even if somebody doesn't agree

1133
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,719
with you, they still would be civil towards you, now

1134
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:26,920
we I mean, it's awful the way people treat each other.

1135
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,960
But I think that that, to me is uh interesting

1136
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,280
that you've always sort of politely i'll say, pushed against

1137
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,079
the GA game. Yeah, politely. Yeah.

1138
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,639
Speaker 3: I wouldn't try to recoupolgrim.

1139
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:42,519
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no, but that wow, But it

1140
00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:45,360
wasn't an inner strengths man because you know, people at

1141
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,000
that time didn't want that stuff, I know, didn't want

1142
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:51,159
to recognize it, didn't want to hear about it, didn't

1143
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:53,480
want to you know. I mean, we're still just coming

1144
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:57,800
out of out of just all the stuff with black

1145
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,599
people in America at the time. It's just that something's right.

1146
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:04,519
They're still and I mean, boy, you talk about hatred

1147
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:07,559
for people for no reason other than you exist.

1148
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,239
Speaker 3: I want to cross the country on all news stations

1149
00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:16,440
from Chicago to New York City to California and talked

1150
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:21,440
about my record, and they pulled me into a how

1151
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,840
does black and whites get along in prison? And I go,

1152
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,920
they hate each other. You know, I don't all black

1153
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:32,360
television station, but you know, I'm saying, when there's tension

1154
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,079
going on, I might have a best friend that might

1155
00:59:36,119 --> 00:59:39,199
be a black guy that sell next to me, but

1156
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,079
I can't talk to him or he can't talk to

1157
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:46,159
me during the tension and the riots because if I

1158
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,079
talk to him, white people are going to attack me,

1159
00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:51,599
and if he talks, black people are going to attack

1160
00:59:51,679 --> 00:59:54,440
him and take him out. So you know, there's always

1161
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,920
that tension going on, and we both understand. So then

1162
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,639
maybe for a week we don't talk to each other,

1163
01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:03,519
and then all of a sudden we're back like it

1164
01:00:03,559 --> 01:00:04,239
never happened.

1165
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, is that time in reform school or

1166
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:11,679
reform Well, let's make some security prison. They sent you

1167
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,320
to maximum security prison. Yeah, machine gun.

1168
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 3: That's the walls, the dogs, and the between the wall

1169
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:20,159
and the Wow.

1170
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:23,039
Speaker 1: That really seemed to have quite an impact on your

1171
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:26,239
life in terms of Oh yeah, even politically later.

1172
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:28,719
Speaker 3: On, I did what I wanted and suddenly I couldn't

1173
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:29,960
do anything right.

1174
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:34,199
Speaker 1: No, I understand that, But I'm just saying, like even afterwards,

1175
01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:38,559
trying to get reform, trying to do good by the Yeah, yeah,

1176
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:39,039
I was.

1177
01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:43,239
Speaker 3: I was trying to tell them, you know, for a

1178
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:47,960
prison reform, I was saying that work with the unions

1179
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,559
as much as you can, but you know, allow the

1180
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:53,480
inmates to earn their own money. Part of it could

1181
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:54,840
go to the victim of their time.

1182
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: Well that's a great idea, you know.

1183
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 3: Uh, and maybe they can start out oak screening T

1184
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:05,199
shirts and jobs like that from the public. But you know,

1185
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,719
don't kill the union, right, work with them, right, and

1186
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,920
then then maybe somebody like Kodak could bring in a

1187
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:16,159
shop there and pay them pretty decently and they could

1188
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:19,320
support their own family instead of government checks going there.

1189
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:20,159
Speaker 1: You know.

1190
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know they I said, they're all going

1191
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,360
to come out someday. What kind of condition do you

1192
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,599
want them? And right, it's a great point. I want

1193
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:32,159
them to very well. Supposed to be a reversing that

1194
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:33,840
steps in this way, he is going to kill them.

1195
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: Well, it's supposed to be reformed. We're supposed to be Oh,

1196
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,599
there is trying to get fun. No, there's not. That's

1197
01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:40,840
this bull Yeah it is. And it's supposed to try

1198
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,800
to get you ready to come back into society.

1199
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,119
Speaker 3: And the inmates are trying to break you, and the

1200
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:46,440
cards they're trying to break you.

1201
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:49,079
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's a what had So how old

1202
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:52,840
were you when you went in? How old were seventeen? Seventeen?

1203
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:57,239
That'd be one of the scariest things in the world

1204
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,800
for you. Oh yeah, it is scary.

1205
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I could say murderers and everything, but

1206
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,159
a lot of most of them are normal people.

1207
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: They just lost control for a few minutes, right, But they.

1208
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,679
Speaker 3: They're not They're not like you think, no, right, but

1209
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:12,760
everybody's in there.

1210
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, So I see. So it's it's that kind

1211
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,440
of thing where I almost feel maybe I'm wrong.

1212
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,599
Speaker 3: It's about maybe eighty five percent New York City in there.

1213
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. It's a bigger part of

1214
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,199
the state, bigger population. But for you, I always, I mean,

1215
01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:33,840
you seem to have a lot of empathy for people,

1216
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:36,440
where you will try to help them out, meet them halfway,

1217
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:39,400
do that sort of thing. The another rumor I had

1218
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,800
heard was Metallic and when they did they Kill Them

1219
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,320
All album, and they recorded it here in Rochester. They

1220
01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:50,400
they came here, yeah, but they didn't have money. No, they.

1221
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,679
Speaker 3: They came from California, that's where you're from. And uh,

1222
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,400
there's a studio in the city.

1223
01:02:58,159 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: Was it Daje Alon at the time. I don't know.

1224
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 3: No, No Music America, Okay, Music America studio with Paul Curcio.

1225
01:03:06,159 --> 01:03:07,719
He ran it and he used to be in the

1226
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,400
Mojo Men in the sixties, but he's passed away now.

1227
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:17,039
But they recorded there and they gave him an old

1228
01:03:17,079 --> 01:03:20,039
house for free to stay in. So that's why they

1229
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:22,679
picked Rochester, I think. Okay, But they didn't have a

1230
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,920
laundry mat, so they did their laundry down the street.

1231
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,280
Each week, and they'd hang here whether laundry was washing,

1232
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,199
and they'd be looking at guitars and I say, can

1233
01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:33,079
I plug it in for you?

1234
01:03:33,159 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: Man?

1235
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 3: And they go, no, man, I ain't got no money.

1236
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,599
I don't want to waste your time. We go, that's okay,

1237
01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:41,719
you can plug in, you know. And then they came

1238
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,079
back at a later time when they were filling venues,

1239
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,840
but seventy grand on vintage guitars. You know, really they

1240
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,639
get new ones for free, but they want all the

1241
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:54,639
vina vintage stuff. Yeah, where do you get the vintage

1242
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:58,320
from bands? And people sell on them and trading them.

1243
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: Does anybody go now on ain't or anything and trying

1244
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,119
to hunt these things down? The public does No. I

1245
01:04:04,119 --> 01:04:06,360
don't know if anybody here at the Hog does.

1246
01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:09,119
Speaker 3: We watch it from one time if something is reasonable,

1247
01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:10,760
but we got to get it at the price.

1248
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: Where there's some there's some cool artifacts around here, like

1249
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,800
Jimmy Hendrick's pants, yes, right, yep, and then uh, Elvis

1250
01:04:18,159 --> 01:04:19,519
Elvis Presley's pans.

1251
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 3: But there were motorcycle there were motorcycle plant pants. Whenever

1252
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,760
he rode his motorcycle around Graceland, he wore those pans

1253
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,519
and they actually came from the Beatles because when the

1254
01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:36,519
Beatles visited Elvis, they gave him the McCart he gave

1255
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:41,960
him to McCartney, and then McCartney gave him to Donny Lane.

1256
01:04:42,239 --> 01:04:46,880
Uh for his birthday, Okay, and then later Donny Lane

1257
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,960
needed equipment, and uh he came here and uh he

1258
01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:53,800
traded in the pans and all kinds of stuff. Way,

1259
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:58,239
so you did it swap, yeah for keyboards and stuff,

1260
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:03,559
and he's and what fans are Deny Moody blue and

1261
01:05:03,639 --> 01:05:06,320
then Paul McCartney wings, Yeah, Paul.

1262
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,639
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's how he got the pants from Paul.

1263
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:13,440
From Paul. Yeah, holy man, somebody needs to do the

1264
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,800
six degrees of Armen like all the people you're connected

1265
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,280
to throughout history.

1266
01:05:18,679 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing. So you did a swap. Well, we

1267
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,679
gave him some money too. We bought more than that

1268
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,280
from other things he had.

1269
01:05:29,239 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: Wait, so you bought the pants from him or you

1270
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,039
were money? But he got a keyboard in the okay, Okay, Okay,

1271
01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:36,199
he needed.

1272
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,719
Speaker 3: Equipment really, but he got a little money and some

1273
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:39,960
a bunch of equipment.

1274
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,159
Speaker 1: Okay, but what were you going to do? You never

1275
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:45,880
sold the pants? Oh, we won't you won't. We just

1276
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,159
put it up there for the public to see. Yeah,

1277
01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:50,519
that's fascinating. Yeah.

1278
01:05:50,639 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 3: And then got Jimmy Hendrix's pants, Yeah.

1279
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: From a party right that he left him somewhere, left

1280
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,559
them at a Moody Blues party. That was as well.

1281
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,920
Did that come in the same transaction? Yes, this is

1282
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,039
so cool. That is so cool. So you would if

1283
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:08,360
somebody had something that was vintage, Yeah, you would be

1284
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:14,000
willing to They get it. They want it, can approved y, yes, authenticity,

1285
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:16,400
you got it. Yeah, the thing I always wanted. And

1286
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,599
this is terrible. I shouldn't eve admit this, but somebody

1287
01:06:18,639 --> 01:06:19,360
somewhere has to do.

1288
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:24,719
Speaker 3: A lot of Beetle autographs were in uh a book

1289
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:31,079
that a writer wrote about the Beatles, Joff Guy Glani

1290
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,559
or something like that. I can't think of his name exactly,

1291
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:37,360
but he came in with Donny and he wrote a

1292
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,760
lot of Beatle books. Okay, you know this is in

1293
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:46,119
the seventies. And we traded him some stuff, gave him

1294
01:06:46,119 --> 01:06:51,280
some money for the books, for autograph photos and stuff,

1295
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,679
and that's just stuff you'll keep.

1296
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:54,079
Speaker 1: Oh.

1297
01:06:54,239 --> 01:06:58,679
Speaker 3: So, the John Lennon military jacket was in his book.

1298
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,199
A picture of it is book he's another one that's

1299
01:07:02,239 --> 01:07:04,239
not the one on the cover of Sergeant Pepper, but

1300
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,719
John owned more than one, and that one he showed

1301
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,039
in his book. John sent it to him to do.

1302
01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:17,039
He was also I think the Ronald McDonald clown in Canada.

1303
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: Who was this guy who wrote the book. But he

1304
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:26,199
do a lot of charity stuff give him. Yeah, well,

1305
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:28,320
how do you put a value? Is there a value

1306
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,239
you can put on a Jimmy Hendrick's pants or Elvis's pants?

1307
01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:33,840
It would be crazy. Yeah, I mean that's what I'm

1308
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,920
thinking that I'm thinking, even when you bought it and

1309
01:07:36,039 --> 01:07:40,480
exchange money and the guitar, your value is only what

1310
01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:42,840
somebody's going to pay for it, right, Yes, yeah, but

1311
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:44,400
you wanted that stuff.

1312
01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:46,559
Speaker 3: But well yeah we got a I mean we're giving

1313
01:07:46,599 --> 01:07:49,800
a pretty lot for it for those days. Yes, nothing

1314
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,039
that we couldn't you could, we couldn't go near it

1315
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:54,800
to Yeah, uh, it wouldn't be practical.

1316
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,199
Speaker 1: Let's say still sort of I would say, like Ironicoy,

1317
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:03,039
not exactly on the beaten path places, right, Well, yeah, right,

1318
01:08:03,079 --> 01:08:05,360
I mean if I'm going to I like it. No,

1319
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,280
I'm not saying it's a bad place. That's not my point.

1320
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,719
My point is that all the artists that come here

1321
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,280
come out of their way to see this place and

1322
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,600
the reputation of them. Yeah, the reputation is you just

1323
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,000
had zz top. Leonard skinnerd in here. Sika Copeland stopped by,

1324
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:22,279
was buying the albums, right, you said, over the weekend

1325
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,279
and you've got It's just it's got it? Does it? Ever?

1326
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,800
It's the store that ate my brain? Did it ever?

1327
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,479
Kind of fry your brain a little bit? That all this,

1328
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:36,680
all this success or at least appreciation for what you created.

1329
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 3: You know, we're always proud, but when they're here, see

1330
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:42,439
we're like on duty, so we got to be professional.

1331
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:43,960
Can't scare them off.

1332
01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: Is there a staff meeting at all? I'd love to

1333
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,000
be in a staff meeting. No, no staff meetings, no,

1334
01:08:49,039 --> 01:08:52,159
nothing nothing. No, that's the kind of business I like.

1335
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,800
I like no staff meeting. No. What does the legacy

1336
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:56,880
you want to have? What do you want people to

1337
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,920
think when they think I don't know, you don't know.

1338
01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:02,159
I don't really worry about that. Yeah, I don't think

1339
01:09:02,199 --> 01:09:04,680
you do? You do? You really are the guy that

1340
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:08,039
goes to his own thing and have just built something.

1341
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,039
You know when people say you won't work a day

1342
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:13,560
in your life. If you do what you love, do

1343
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,199
you feel like you've worked a day in your life?

1344
01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:17,000
I know what you mean.

1345
01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 3: But at times you were, you know, because you're you're

1346
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,479
on duty, tress day.

1347
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, stress in the ownership and then yeah yeah, that

1348
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:25,199
kind of thing.

1349
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:28,319
Speaker 3: Deadlines, I got to get this ad in or copy

1350
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:29,560
won't change next week.

1351
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I remember when you used to send the

1352
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:35,000
ads to the radio station. You would handwrite them out.

1353
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,439
It would be faxed over on the house and.

1354
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 5: We're trying to figure out what what's in the ass

1355
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,439
and you had to like and you had to Sometimes

1356
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,880
they were like a sixty second ad, so you're crabbing

1357
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:50,680
all the work there.

1358
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: It was fantastic.

1359
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 3: I started to use some three DJs.

1360
01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:57,359
Speaker 1: Oh you did? They did? Oh yeah, yeah they did

1361
01:09:57,399 --> 01:09:59,520
because you couldn't. Yeah, and you have to speed it

1362
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:00,600
up and go really fast.

1363
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,359
Speaker 3: But that was effective. It was with two and that

1364
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:05,319
was sharp.

1365
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's amazing because it worked on radio and

1366
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,199
the TV ads were I mean, we used to love

1367
01:10:11,239 --> 01:10:14,920
to see them. Yeah yeah, and it was all authentically you.

1368
01:10:15,039 --> 01:10:18,039
And I would say, if I guess the success is

1369
01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:19,359
just being who you are.

1370
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,359
Speaker 3: And and my tags like when the events are coming,

1371
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:25,479
I got little tags pushing this and yeah but free

1372
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,239
like we got that one guy coming for from the

1373
01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:32,239
firm and yes, the Graham and then so you know,

1374
01:10:32,319 --> 01:10:35,479
I'll tag that and they'll have to do that real

1375
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,359
fastg Yeah, they'll they'll do it anyway. They can do

1376
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,079
it anyway they can get it in there. Yeah, I

1377
01:10:40,119 --> 01:10:43,920
don't complain. I realized the spot through it. Yeah, you know,

1378
01:10:44,319 --> 01:10:46,920
but then they might rewrite it and omit a lot

1379
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,640
of sentences that I you know, maybe I'm repeating a

1380
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,000
little bit. We don't need that sentence gone. Yeah, whatever

1381
01:10:53,039 --> 01:10:55,159
they can do. I appreciate it.

1382
01:10:56,119 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: Your mom when you moved out of the basement the store, Yeah,

1383
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,800
did she see it get to sort of the way

1384
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:03,399
it is today.

1385
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, she saw the front building here. We had the

1386
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,680
front building at that time, so she knew you were

1387
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:10,600
around our way.

1388
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: You know.

1389
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 3: At first, she uh wasn't crazy about it in her house,

1390
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,359
you know, short from work and.

1391
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: You're exhaustly.

1392
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 3: Banging away the neighbors a Colin police.

1393
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,560
Speaker 1: What is it like at your house, in your own

1394
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,560
personal home, do you have the same kind of thing?

1395
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,359
Pretty quiet? Yeah, when your kids were growing up. Did

1396
01:11:32,359 --> 01:11:34,680
they have people in and banging on it? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1397
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:36,640
You seem to just be like that's all right.

1398
01:11:37,159 --> 01:11:42,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very honest with my kids, like I don't

1399
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,079
I didn't, I didn't want I'm stupid, so I didn't,

1400
01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:47,560
didn't deny.

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Speaker 1: Anything anything, but I exposure is the greatest.

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Speaker 3: I would explain the goods and beads of it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying with everything. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I try to stay their friend a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes, not always easy to until you're too old

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and they won't want to be saying with you. Yeah,

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but they work here, so that's pretty cool. Yeah, that's good. Well,

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this has been a pleasure for me. Thank you for

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taking the time. Thank you, my friend. It's been really

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really great. Harvin Shauberg, the Great House of Guitars. It

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is uh internationally known right here in Irondequoi. Thank you

1412
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very much. Thank you. You made me forget I was

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on the air. Yeah. Well, it's just like having a conversation.

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That's what I like, one on one. Thanks Mac of

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all trades. Mac has a gift, and that gift to

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you is your time. What do I mean you got

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a list? Come on, you've been adding to the list,

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not knocking things off the list. Why not hand the

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list over to Mac of All Trades, whether it's painting

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a room, fixing drywall, electrical carpentry. Maybe you got a

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big job like you're like, Man, I cannot stand this

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powder room anymore. We need a full bathroom remodel. I

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want one of those great toilets put in here. Mac

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can do all of that in his sleep, Man Mack

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of all Trades, from handyman stuff to full carpentry work,

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electrical work, full kitchen and bathroom model. I mean, whatever

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it is, they can do it. But the point is

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they give you your time back. You know, I always

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figure this. We all only got someone's time on the planet.

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We don't know when it ends. Do we want to

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waste it doing things we don't really want to do,

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like painting the room or putting up some trim No

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Mac of All Trades five eight five two zero two

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ninety two eighteen and online at Macofalltrades dot net.

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Speaker 4: Btb's wood fired Pizza and Grill in the Mulich resee

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Ritche