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b a Man's basketball's season and also talking about all

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these McDonald's All Americans that have come through BYU and

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the story behind it. I said earlier this week, I mean,

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you always had six McDonald's All Americans in their illustrious history,

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and I'm like, dude, in the nil transportal era, these

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guys need to be getting all you can eat, uh,

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year round. McDonald's given to them for becoming in a

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McDonald's at least like one item on the menu where

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they can go by any time and they themselves they

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can pick up a free one, a little free by,

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a mcflurry, a fry, an egg, McMuffin, a mcgriddle right

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their their health staff doesn't banish. I mean, all I'm

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saying is, you know, and maybe this is a catalyst

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for change within the McDonald's menu to make it a

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little bit more healthy, to make us athletes more strong,

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right isn't that you gotta nurse and strengthen the body,

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and you know McDonald's hasn't always done that.

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Speaker 3: Let's be honest.

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Speaker 2: I mean the fast food, you know, realm of things

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is not always the healthiest and doesn't always make you

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the strongest.

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Speaker 3: But uh, I do want to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: We've had six six McDonald's all Americans and BAU basketball.

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the hotline. Welcome in McDonald's All Americans. Six foot eight

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ballers shot collar out of Brighton High School in Salt

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Lake City. We got number forty one. Garner meets on

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the line. Garner, how that car are.

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Speaker 3: You, buddy?

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Speaker 4: I'm good? How are you doing? Man?

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Speaker 3: Living the dream? Man living the dream.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you showing up, showing out for us today. How

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does it feel to be one of six McDonald's All

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Americans in BOE basketball history?

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Speaker 3: Got Garner?

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Speaker 4: You know it's kind of surreal. It's been twenty six years,

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but whenever I see these lists come out, specially these

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last two years with AJ and now Branch, it's a

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guy and I see those and I see my name

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on there, and I kind of think of that Sesame

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Street song that you know, which one of these is

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not like the others, but but still just an honor

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and and it was a great experience, you know, when

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I was a young kid to have that opportunity.

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Speaker 2: So it's great, yes, indeed, Like, did you get anything

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for being a McDonald's All American or was it just

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like give us some of the perks of being at

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McDonald's All American back in the day.

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Speaker 4: All right, so back they to your to your earlier point.

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kind of local McDonald's of your choice, So that was

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one of the things. And during the kind of week

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long festivities, you had the opportunity they did a banquet

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and they present you with a McDonald's All American ring.

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sits in, you know, my office proudly displayed, and that

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was presented to us that year by John Wooden, which

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was truthfully kind of one of the highlights TIA that

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week was to meet and interact with him, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the greatest coach all time, John would What was

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that experience? Like articulate that for us?

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Speaker 4: You know, he talked to you know, there's a banquet

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with the families and there was all the players from

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both East and the West team. And you know the

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thing about Coach Wooden was it wasn't just about basketball

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lessons that you can learn through basketball, and that that

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probably the greatest coach arguably of all time in college sports. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Truly a remarkable human on and off the court, did

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though that he brought in to UCO. You know, and

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Speaker 3: Man. It's hard to lose when you have so much talent.

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Speaker 2: Like that, but definitely the greatest coach all time in

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basketball history. So when you look at like these, we

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and then you're smack in the middle right like, hey,

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you're a McDonald's All American. And there was kind of

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like a revitalization in the Steve Cleveland era. It was

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like a rebuild mode where we were getting back to

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the NCAA tournament. You were a big part of that.

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and Bruce Branch. The third is this kind of an

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awakening if you will? Is this a re I mean,

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be the glory days back at it. You know, just

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going into like the seventies and eighties, those elite eight

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runs with Danny Age, et cetera, with all these McDonald's

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All Americans that bring in it. Give me your prognostication

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and projection on how BYU basketball is going to be

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Speaker 4: Well, look, I certainly love what Kevin's done. He's helped

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raise the profile of the program, and I think he's

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showing a light on on what BYU has to offer,

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not just his basketball program, but as a community, as

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a school. And you know, the institution itself and kind

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of what it stands for. And I think you know,

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AJ and some of these others, I think they see that.

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I think that they realize that you come to BYU

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and if you embrace BOU for what it is, you'll

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be embraced back by millions of people and you're going

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to have their support and their fandom. And not only that,

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but you've got a great coaching staff that can give

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you the skills that you need. And we're now in

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a conference that's going to facilitate, you know, that kind

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of a profile that the top players are looking for.

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of the top talent. I think it's got that potential.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, give me an eval of what you saw this year.

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Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, you know one watching Aj, I mean that

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was a generational type performance that we saw from him.

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became a leader of the team, and some of the

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individual efforts he put up were just some for the ages,

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bug like we did this year. I think with Richie

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and Dawson in the lineup, we would have probably had

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a much different outcome at the end. So that one's

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hard and one that I'm certainly sensitive too. I struggled

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with injuries for the vast majority of my career, so

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that can be a tough one and it can certainly

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affect the chemistry of the team and the confidence of

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the team too, especially when you lose a leader like Richie,

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so you know, staying healthy, maybe a little bit more

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depth in that six seven kind of two or three

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guys coming off the bench. I'd love to see us

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shoot more consistently from outside the arc. Some of the

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most you know, dangerous BYU teams have been that dual

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threat where you've got the ability to tack the room,

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but you're also just assassins from the outside. I didn't

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beyond the arc this year, So I think, as you're

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filling in the gaps, that would be what I would

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be focusing on. But you know, Kevin knows this game

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far better than I do, so I'll leave it to him.

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Speaker 2: Well, you have pro style, you of collegiate style basketball,

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and look, these guys are coming to Bay because they

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want to be prepped for the NBA and maximize their

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earning potential in the NBA and be able to make

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that transition in the NBA.

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Speaker 3: Yegor Deming did it right.

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Speaker 2: You saw yeg Or have his ups and downs as

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a basketball player at b YU. It was a pro

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Scott scheme. He looked really good actually in the NCAA

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tournament and then transition into the NBA, became one of

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the best three point shooters in the NBA, one of

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the best rookies in the NBA. So AJ's going to

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on his way to winning an NBA championship depending on

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where he ends up. Right, But the offense became stagnant

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at times and it was ugly at times. That ball

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got sticky in that high pick and roll situation. Is

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there a balance right between pro style half court sets,

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pro style offense, and just getting like higher percentage shots

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that aren't so forced and aren't so contested, and that

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just to get a shot up, and it'd be nice

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to get a few easy buckets for him as well.

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attract the best players, and that means that you're going

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to prepare them for the next level. But I think,

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if it was coach Young that said this, but basketballs

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for the fans, and you want to see wins, and

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so if there needs to be an adjustment to facilitate

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kind of the college style basketball and to get the

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wins when they count, then I'm all for that, and

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I think it would actually really be a good thing

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for the players in the program and fans all together.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm just looking a little bit at these

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these recruits that buy is bringing in for the next year,

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specifically Bruce Branch that we've been talking about but also

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Dean Rooker both play the same position, both can shoot

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the three really well. You know what it's like to

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come into BYU as a heralded recruit. What kind of

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pressure are those two facing coming into BYU. Do you

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expect big things from a guy like Dean Rooker who's

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a local guy, but he's the four star versus the

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five star Bruce Branch?

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Speaker 3: What's that like?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think I definitely had a little

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different experience coming in with the spotlight, and there is

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pressure that comes with that. I think coaches have to

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people hungry. So I don't actually my hope is that

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Dean and and Branch will we'll be able to play

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be better, and that we'll see and get more out

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if you can keep that at a healthy level, it

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here on your Utah ESPN Radio network talking to some

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BYU basketball and what the future looks like for BAU

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basketball in this nil transfer portal world in which we're

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living in. Right, you look at the teams you played

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in and like, you know, you're like, like, what would.

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Speaker 3: Have happened year over year?

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Speaker 2: Right, Like, let's talk about like how it would set

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you up for your your future? Right, And you had

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a great you had a great career oviity, you had

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some injuries, et cetera. And you guys want a lot

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of basketball games and uh, the education of your cd

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W with phenomenal. But like, what do you think an

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additional million dollars would have done for you? Would it

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have ruined Garner meads when it had upended you know,

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the work ethic, the blue collar nature of you and

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your trajectory as a as a great holistic, well rounded

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human being, or would have been a benefit to you

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to maybe solidify yourself in the in the corporate world,

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et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's a that's a good question. And my wife

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and I we we do laugh sometimes kind of in

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our more candid moments and be like, man, what it

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would have been like?

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Speaker 2: You know, you would have upgraded to a town home

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rather than that one bedroom apartment.

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Speaker 4: Huh yeah, I mean we lived in a basement apartment,

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no natural light coming through the windows. I mean it

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was and I you know, I thought we were rich

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and I had like maybe five or six grand in

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my bank account. I mean, I maybe it would have

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ruined me. I don't know. I would have, you know,

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made some pretty poor financial decisions. But uh so it's

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hard to go back and say I had done it

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any differently because I've got a good life. I've been blessed,

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and the opportunities that came my way when they came

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were I think narrowly tailored for me and the experiences

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I need to have. But I hope these young student

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athletes that are have good advisors, and that's the thing

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that changes, is you're really the team you have to

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build around these kids, I think has to be more sophisticated,

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and I think they need to protect them in a

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way from people who would take advantage of them, and

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in ways that you know would be pretty easy when

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you've got young kids that trust people probably more than

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they should in some instances, and you know, you watch AJ,

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he's very polished, and I think that he's had kind

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of that infrastructure around him. But I know there's a

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lot of others and athletes that don't, And those are

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the ones I worry about more than than like the

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AJ's and the branches of the world.

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Speaker 2: I was talking about the glory days, right, and we're

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getting into a new new glory days, if you will.

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Money people would say kind of like from seventy eight

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through probably like the mid nineties when Frank Arnold, Ladell,

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Anderson Rogerie, they were coaching up these BYU Cougars when

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you were growing up, right, Like they were going to

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NCAA tournaments pretty much every year. It seemed that way

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they get, you know, second round games they'd get into.

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They got into an Elite eight in the eighties, second round,

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first round, second round, first round. There was a lot

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of first round one and dons, et cetera. But like

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when you were getting recruited, it was a rebuild. Steve

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Cleveland had taken over to ninety seven ninety eight in

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your high school heyday, when you were becoming a McDonald's

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All American. They went nine to twenty one, twelve and sixteen,

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and then twenty two and eleven, And you decided to

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come to BYU at that time? Why as a McDonald's

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all American getting recruited by freaking everybody in the country,

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why by you at that time?

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Speaker 4: It's a great question. I give asked that a lot.

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And you know, I had narrowed down my schools to

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really Stanford, Utah, and by U, and you would call,

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you know, Stanford had just kind of come off the

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Mark Madison years had some really good runs into the

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final four, and Utah had the Britton Johnson's, the Alex

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Jensen's and I mean they had Hano Metalas and they'd

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been coming off what was really kind of a generational

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run for them as well. And as I looked at

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the coaches, you know, there were rumors that Mike Montgomery

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was gonna mention jump to the NBA. Rickma Jerris's health

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wasn't great, and I was finding on serving inn LBL

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to listen. And part of my concern was continuity. I

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didn't I didn't necessarily know who I would be playing

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for in those instances. And that's coming from a kid

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who look my parents are both University of Utah graduates.

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My dad went to medical school there. He actually played

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on the JV basketball team for year when they still

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had that at university, and you know, my mom did

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her nursing there. So I was kind of raised the

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Utah guy, but you know, had a few experiences Rick

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that kind of also showed me like that he could

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be a difficult guy to play for too, and I

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wasn't sure I wanted that experience, and and then I'd

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be I'd be a miss if I didn't acknowledge the

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role that Jeff Judkins played. You know, Juddy was at

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one point in time, I think Rick's first assistant, and

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you know, through a variety of different things that kind

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of went down there, he ended up at BYU as

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a director of basketball operations for the men's team, and

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Juddy was on each staff. You know, at least back then,

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it kind of seemed like they would they kind of

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feel what kind of what coach connected with the players

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that they were recruiting the most. And Juddy and I

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had a pretty good connection, and so UTA had kind

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of signed him to be my point of contact through

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the recruiting process. And Judge's story stayed consistent the whole

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time he's recruiting me, even when he went down to

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b YU, and that was, Hey, Rick can make him

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a really great basketball player. It's hard to play for

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he said at times. And but he says, I'll oversee

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your personal development. And he says, and I'll do. I'll

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give you the same attention I gave Van Horn and

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Hanno and and Doliac. And that was a commitment that

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I meant a lot to me from jud And so

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when Jed went down to BYU, I remember we went

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and got breakfast one morning. He says, well, Jed, what's

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the story now? I assume it's going to change and

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he says, no, Rick can still make him to a

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really great basketball player. He says, but but you still

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have my commitment that I'll I'll devote you know, the

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time and the energy into your personal skill development you

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need to become a great player.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 4: The irony there and all of that is my My

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fear about going to Utah and Stanford was in part

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the coaching continuity and whether I actually played for the

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coaches I committed to. And when I got back from

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my mission, jud took the women's head jobs. So I

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never actually really got to too much for it said.

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And that's not to take anything away from from Steve

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and his staff too, because you know, I admired coach Cleveland.

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I thought he came in and had a really tall

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order uh and and did a lot to bring the

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program back to where it was competitive and was a

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place where you know, you could recruit good players too. Again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's an increge intriguing storyline. Jutty's uh, I mean,

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he's one of my favorite interviews. It's funny you mentioned

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Jutty because I think, like my brother in law, Jake

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told me a number of times, like you know, Jetty

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was pretty integral in his like recruitment too, and ending

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up at by U after his mission after playing at

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Weaver State, and and then Jetty jumped over to obviously

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the women's side of things, but.

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Speaker 3: He like he loved, he loved Jutty, you know what

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Speaker 2: And and uh, I always wondered like if Juddy you know,

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would have continued to uh, you know, to coach on

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the men's side.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he wanted to coach.

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Speaker 2: He didn't want to be over ops, right, Like he

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didn't want he wanted to be coaching guys. But they

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had a pretty good coaching staff. You look at that

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that crew, uh of Dave Rose obviously who became the

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goat of BAU men's basketball, Steve Cleveland. They had Dave

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Rice I think was on that staff. Juddy was on

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that staff with Ops. You keep that staff together, man,

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you doing some special things.

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Speaker 3: I know Cleveland elsewhere and Dave took over.

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Speaker 2: But had he just maybe written it out a little bit,

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I wonder if he would have been kind of an

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assistant head coach under Dave during that time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean maybe in an alternative universe, that would

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have been, you know, a really intriguing staff. And when

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I love Dave, I if my body had permitted me to,

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I would have loved to continue playing and finishing out

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my eligibillionunder him to the style of play. And then

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if you bring in like a Jenkins into that men's staff,

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I mean, that would have been a powerhouse staff for sure.

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And you're talking about two of the best humans in

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the world too, not just their basketball IQ, but you know,

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I just have unlimited amounts of respect for for Rose

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and Judkins. Seriously, two of my basketball heroes.

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Speaker 2: What were some of the injuries that you sustained, and

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like what advice would you give to not only your

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your younger self, but to those young basketball players that

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are trying to stay healthy while getting it like maximum

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reps and development, et cetera. Things that you learned, golden

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rules that you maybe learned through the process.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I had this. I kind of had

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this mentality of like just push, push, push, and I

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think I wasn't as good at recovering or realizing when

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I was potentially doing more damage than than good in

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terms of like keeping myself on the on the floor.

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And you know, when I came back from so serving

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the mission, I just I was kind of just gung ho.

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I wanted to go on the team was going to

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Australia that summer, and I wanted to be in shape

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where I could go play when we went to Australia

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and really hit the gym hard. And I will say this,

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I think the training techniques and regiments have changed. I

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felt like when I came home, they trained me like

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I was a linebacker.

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Speaker 2: Well, you did like working out with Justin and like

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putting four thousand pounds on the straight bar and squatting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I didn't. Actually, and I bulked up. I

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mean I was like six percent body fat, two hundred

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and forty eight pounds. But I think I lost some

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of my agility and traded that for strength. And so

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I think, you know, I would have trained a lot

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different going back, and I would have probably allowed myself

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more time before I really started pushing it hard, because

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oh yeah, knowing what I know now about how muscle

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and soft tissue works, you know, the muscle can get strong,

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but the tens and other things and the injury that

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really kind of people ask me, alltency, what was your career?

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Describe your career at Baun said, it felt like a

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false start. Yeah, And part of it was because immediately

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after I got them from the mission, I developed tears

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and the abdominal muscles right where they attached to the

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pelvic bone.

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Speaker 3: And you had like an cubist type of deal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and sports hernia, yeah, kind of like sports hernia

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type stuff. And that had you.

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Speaker 3: Had any entries in high school at all?

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Speaker 2: Garner, Sorry, I hate to cut you off, but did

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you have any Did you have any Andrews high school?

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Speaker 4: I did. I had a floating bone fragment in my

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left knee underneath my pateel attendant. That kind of was problematic.

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So I did have that operated on at the end

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of my high school that had largely but time I

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go for my mission, I wasn't an issue anymore. But

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he was fine. But it was this abdominal kind of thing,

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and this was a injury. It was really hard to

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diagnose at the time that there wasn't very many people in

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Utah that were trained to pick up on it. So

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when I went into the training staff and it really

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got bad in Australia and when I came back, they

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just said, oh, it looks like you've got an abdominal strain.

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Let's just treat you with some pretty heavy duty anti

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inflammatories and then we'll inject you a cortizone as needed.

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So I took quartersone injections over the course of my

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freshman year. And I remember when the last injection wore off.

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It was about two weeks after he played Syracuse in

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the and Sibley Tournaments. Ending in line at an Albertson's

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there Off University and had two gallons of milk in

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my hands and I sneezed and like it felt like

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two daggers in my stomach and I dropped. I literally

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dropped my knees, dropped the cartons of milk, and was

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just sitting there. I think people thought I was having

477
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a medical emergency, and I knew at that point, I

478
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was like, this is more serious than just a chronic strain.

479
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And that's when we went and finally did some memorized

480
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and specialized tests and I flew out to Philadelphia where

481
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I actually had a complete abdominal reconstruction done, and that

482
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just I just never fully recover from that. And then

483
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I tried to come back and play my sophomore year.

484
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I had all sorts of complications where I developed structures

485
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and other muscles that raven over compensate. Tore my quad

486
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muscle that year, and it just became a kind of

487
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this cascading thing where I needed to rest and needed

488
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to give my body a break. And unfortunately, at that point,

489
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when you're on a clock with the withncatively eligibility, the

490
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writing was on the wall, and my wife and I

491
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decided at that point it was time to figure out

492
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what was actually going to put food on the table

493
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for our family and focus on that.

494
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Speaker 2: It's really interesting, like like you're explaining these things. So

495
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I had a sports hernia as well, you know, coming

496
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off a mission, I had gotten bigger, faster, stronger, and

497
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like it essentially ripped up my adductors and lower abs,

498
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and I was able to luckily treat it conservatively through

499
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like about a year of like rehab, like where I

500
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was doing a ton of like isometrics, we were doing

501
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like focal red light modalities, ultrasound, we did like diathermi.

502
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I mean, who knows, you know, you know all I

503
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was throwing everything out we did. Like at that time,

504
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they started implement a stem and grasped in tools, so

505
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they were like literally like scraping my abs and my

506
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,079
adductors to try to like create fibronic tissue overlay and things. Man,

507
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,680
it was it was pretty tough, man. So I know

508
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:19,039
exactly what you were going through, and yours was probably

509
00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:23,240
even more more devastating than mine. So, uh man, I

510
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,799
wish I would have been that for you, bro, and

511
00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:27,079
I got you hooked up at the pros. I would

512
00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:29,440
have had some nice compression wear for you. I know

513
00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:31,200
how to treat that now, Bro, I know how to

514
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,559
get after it and get guys out back on the court.

515
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Speaker 3: Get them back on the field.

516
00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, you do. And you've been great over the years,

517
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,079
even since my playing Kurds because I still tend to

518
00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:42,640
push it a little harder than I show the time.

519
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 3: He does.

520
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Speaker 2: Well, Gonner, always love and appreciate your time and talking

521
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,440
some ball with us today.

522
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Speaker 3: Thanks for hopping on to talk some college basketball BYU.

523
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,319
Speaker 2: And I know you're on vacation right now, so stay

524
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safe out there or enjoy your time, big cougar or

525
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:02,440
do you appreciate your time as always?

526
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Speaker 4: Brother, appreciate it? Thanks Ben. Likewise, there go.

527
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Speaker 2: That's Garner Mead so one of the McDonald's All Americans

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keeping up with the cougar segment. A young man that's

557
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gonna be playing in the alumni game. I stay young.

558
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:47,880
He's still young in spry, still's got a little bit

559
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bit of bigger and vim. He's still a good athlete,

560
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:54,240
still got some proper quick twitch, fast twitch muscle fiber.

561
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He's gonna be balling out for the Brigham Young University

562
00:27:58,599 --> 00:27:59,759
fans at the alumni game.

563
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Speaker 6: Hole.

564
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,039
Speaker 2: He stays warm and toasty. We do have a cold

565
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front that he's uh has that he's upon.

566
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Speaker 3: Us here, and we do have precipitation.

567
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Speaker 2: But we've had this before, and this man has played

568
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,039
in many games up in Cash Valley, Cash Money in

569
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the inclement weather, so he's no stranger to it. Let's

570
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welcome in one of the best tight ends BA football history.

571
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We got Moroni Laulu Putu Tao MLP.

572
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: What's up? Bro?

573
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 6: What's can you hear me?

574
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: You feel? Hey? Loud and clear?

575
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:26,319
Speaker 4: Bro?

576
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 6: You sound that's quite the introduction?

577
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,319
Speaker 3: So what like? That's an easy peasy one.

578
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:31,519
Speaker 6: Bro.

579
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 3: That ain't that? Ain't that ain't nothing? My friend?

580
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:34,759
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.

581
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

582
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Speaker 2: I mean one of the reasons why I like MLP

583
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is because he was like he was a defensive back

584
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and a wide receiver in high school and then converted

585
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to the tight end room.

586
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Speaker 6: That's right, Yeah, played both ways.

587
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,359
Speaker 7: I think I first got on the radar was Nick Howell,

588
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,960
the defensive coordinator.

589
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:57,119
Speaker 2: Nick is the one that found you found. Yeah, so,

590
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,519
and what was his pitch to you at the time.

591
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,680
There's no pitch, there's no pitch. It was just hey,

592
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:08,240
we love you, athlete. I think at the time he

593
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,720
just got guys like Alani Fua, you know.

594
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 7: So I think he first initially was looking at me

595
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,519
and was like, we could do a lot with the frame.

596
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:19,519
Speaker 3: And then so he was looking at defense first.

597
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:20,799
Speaker 6: He's looking at defense first. Yeah.

598
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 7: I mean I first got on the field as a

599
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,440
sophomore as a corner. I didn't start as receivers in

600
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high school high school, so I started as a corner

601
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,000
and that's where I got all my PT and then

602
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,400
and then I'd rotate a little bit here and there receiver.

603
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Speaker 3: But so you're like, what six two at the time?

604
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 6: Six three one the twig?

605
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Speaker 3: Oh man, that's great though, man.

606
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Speaker 6: Kind of jarring to look at when I go back

607
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:49,480
and look at the film. Yeah, yeah, I was until

608
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but yeah.

609
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Speaker 3: It's great.

610
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,599
Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy. Did you play multiple sports though? Were

611
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:54,400
you more than a.

612
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 3: Football, basketball, track, football? Yeah, we're kind of getting out

613
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,920
of the air of like multi sport athletes. That's interesting.

614
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

615
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

616
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Speaker 3: How do you feel about it?

617
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Speaker 2: Like when you're like, you know, cause you have, you

618
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,400
got some boys, you got some kiddo's coming on that.

619
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's still ways away.

620
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Speaker 2: From specializing obviously, but are you gonna kind of make

621
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,559
them like you gotta play all the sports?

622
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Speaker 7: I'm going to try and prolong multiple sports as long

623
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,559
as I can. Yeah too, And that that's kind of

624
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:21,519
my thought process. I mean I have three boys, yep.

625
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So they're already in like some Muay Thai, mixed martial arts,

626
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they've done some gymnast.

627
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Speaker 3: Because you've been doing some way Thai Yeah yeah.

628
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Speaker 7: Yeah, And and I mean they're young, but I can

629
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already see like they're figuring out their bodies, and I

630
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want to keep that as long as possible.

631
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Speaker 6: I think I think it'll help in the long run.

632
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Speaker 3: That's great names and ages.

633
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I got three so Maroni, junior A, Malachi and

634
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,559
Gid So yes, they're all they're.

635
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:48,759
Speaker 6: All booking more renees. They keep it in the six

636
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,359
four and two are the ages?

637
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Speaker 3: Man? Ye wait, wait, you're Malachi is four.

638
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:56,079
Speaker 6: Malachi's four?

639
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,839
Speaker 3: Okay, so my Malachi is four and a half. So

640
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:00,920
you know, we gotta get begin there. A little Malakai,

641
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,440
A little do you call Kai Kai? I think it'll come.

642
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:06,559
Speaker 6: I mean, friends will probably give him your nickname.

643
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeh yeah it is long. Yeah, but you guys

644
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,960
go on Malacha. Yeah, it's a beautiful name, man, beautiful name,

645
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:12,720
no doubt about it.

646
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: What convinced you? Who convinced you to play in the

647
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,160
alumni game this year?

648
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 6: Jack?

649
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

650
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,279
Speaker 6: Jackson out there back? He said, who's ready to running back?

651
00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:22,119
I enjoyed it. Last year was my first year.

652
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, I really enjoyed it, seeing all the guys and

653
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:25,480
getting back on the field.

654
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Speaker 6: It was fun.

655
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:30,279
Speaker 7: So and we're coming from Boise Eagle, Idaho area, so

656
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,440
it's kind of becoming a trip, a fun little thing

657
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,079
to look forward to.

658
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

659
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: I know, you guys made the move up there. I

660
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,000
want to say a couple of years ago, about three

661
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:41,559
years now, and you were you were in the kind

662
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:44,920
of the real estate development world. Is what you were

663
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,680
looking at and what you were you were getting into.

664
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,079
I want to say even five years ago, and uh so,

665
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:52,960
how's the move been and gives a little update on

666
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,400
the corporate world that you're living in.

667
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:56,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, the move's been awesome. It's been really good for

668
00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:58,759
our family. We love the area that's been It's been

669
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:02,440
great for us, super good fit. I think it's funny

670
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,640
because myself included, you think of Idaho and it's like

671
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,079
all you think of is East Idaho, like Rex meurt

672
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,440
like that's everyone's perception of Idaho. And so when we

673
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,799
got to you know, the West side, it's completely different,

674
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,839
different vibe, different climate, different everything.

675
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,599
Speaker 6: So we've enjoyed it.

676
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 7: I'm still in the space, so I'm still in the

677
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:23,640
real estate development space, specifically land development. I have a

678
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,720
civil engineering side to my company now, so we just

679
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:31,079
help other developers or landowners develop land so kind of

680
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:33,279
manage the development process for them.

681
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Speaker 6: And it's been fun. I really enjoyed it.

682
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: Naming the company and how can they follow you? Connect

683
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,279
with you on LinkedIn, et cetera.

684
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, LinkedIn just my name and then our company's SD Group.

685
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,519
So we're a land development management and civil engineering firm.

686
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,559
Speaker 6: And yeah, it's been good.

687
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,519
Speaker 7: We're we're pretty much all in Idaho now. Treasure Valley,

688
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:53,240
just trying to stay in my backyard. And we're small,

689
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,920
we're still new, we're still it's a startup, growing and

690
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,559
building to building and still alive, still in it.

691
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: So love it, man, Yeah, I love it.

692
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: And then you've been doing some moy Thai. Then somebody decided, like,

693
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,079
did you do any MMA stuff prior to But that's.

694
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,519
Speaker 6: Something I always wish I could have done.

695
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 7: I think a lot of athletes, especially for wall players,

696
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:13,640
think the same thing.

697
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:15,359
Speaker 6: You just can't really get in there.

698
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,319
Speaker 2: I learned the guard in arm barring from my brother

699
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,920
when I was like twelve, because he had gotten into

700
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,680
it so luckily with brothers like you're like and that

701
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:27,200
he they like like the octagon and like some of

702
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,279
the MMA stuff.

703
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: It was just coming.

704
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: About right, Like it's true, it's still fairly Hoyce Gracie.

705
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:36,720
Like I knew all like the names of like these individuals,

706
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:39,119
like so the the the og.

707
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,519
Speaker 3: Jiu jitsu world, Yeah, that's the jiu jitsu world.

708
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: And then but you had some really good moy Thai

709
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:47,400
guys and boxers and like wrestlers, you know, and Ken

710
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,000
Shamrock and like all these guys that were uh just jacked.

711
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, like you know a lot of regulations.

712
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: No, no regulation jack. Man.

713
00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:00,319
Speaker 2: That's some tr t if I've ever seen any anyway.

714
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,839
But yeah, dude, I was. It was something that I

715
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,759
was kind of taught a little bit. I mean, you

716
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:08,320
grew up with so many brothers, you grew up in

717
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,199
the big family too. It's like you kind of get

718
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,320
into some scuffles.

719
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, some stuff you learned a little bit able to

720
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,320
actually get in there and learn it. I mean, I'm

721
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,159
six years out now from from playing, and about last

722
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:21,440
year I got that itch that I was like, man,

723
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,840
I need something competitive, yes, and pickleball is just not doing.

724
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:29,119
Speaker 3: It for me, don't you know what I mean, Like, people.

725
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 7: Don't like playing with me. It's like, dude, it's not

726
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,440
that serious. I'm like, I'm sorry, this is in my DNA.

727
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

728
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 6: And so I tried it and I just fell in

729
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:39,719
love with it.

730
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 3: Dude.

731
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, this gives me that this scratches that

732
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,519
itch that football gave me. And it's competitive and it's

733
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:47,360
something my joy keeps me shape, gives me something to

734
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,639
work out for. It's hard to just work out for nothing,

735
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:50,559
at least for me.

736
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 6: Unless I have it.

737
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 7: No, Yeah, so I'm like, oh, I got a fight

738
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,880
coming up where I got something to Yeah, it's been good.

739
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 6: I love it.

740
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

741
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well Ben bo is like a you know, a

742
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:02,760
bare knuckle boxer.

743
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,559
Speaker 3: Don't ever do that. That's crazy.

744
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 6: Shape enjoy it, but I'm not. Yeah, gotta go home

745
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,000
to the wife and the kids.

746
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: Well, what's interesting is, like I thought, once upon a

747
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:14,760
time we did We've done this maybe I think once

748
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,760
or twice where we have a rivalry like Legends boxing

749
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,679
matches where we pit. It'll be like a corporate sponsored

750
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,920
thing where like there's like corporate entities involved in it

751
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,480
and they're like boxing each other. But then we'll have

752
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:33,119
some premiere fights where like Riley Nelson boxed I want

753
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:37,760
to say, oh, man, who did Riley box? He boxed

754
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,440
the former placekicker for Utah who was like an Olympic

755
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,079
skier too.

756
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 3: No, with Anowski. You look at Riley.

757
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,199
Speaker 2: Brian Keel boxed Bou Anderson, a former Utah linebacker.

758
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 3: So we need to do this.

759
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:55,119
Speaker 2: You know you missed it. Oh yeah, man, you can

760
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:59,119
look it up. It was a Legends fight Andy So

761
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:03,719
he boxed Andy Fill. We should probably continue. Yeah, Oh,

762
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,519
it totally does because it gets a bunch of fans

763
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:08,239
out there like, oh well Utah and you know Utah

764
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,039
football player versus b what you football player? And you

765
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:14,360
do enough marquee fights. There are different weight groups. Yeah,

766
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,199
it's it's pretty good.

767
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:15,519
Speaker 4: Cool.

768
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: You'd be a heavyweight heavy heavyweight, right because you're over

769
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,239
to a five. Right, A little bit over to who

770
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,199
do who do you? Who do we match you up with?

771
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

772
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,119
Speaker 6: Not a lot of people in our class.

773
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to think who you played against during

774
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,079
that time, roughly in the in the in the Holy

775
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:36,559
War games.

776
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Holy War Let's see.

777
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,559
Speaker 2: I don't know, say like in my era, it would

778
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:42,639
have been like me and like Steve Taate or something

779
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,920
like that. You know it's like me, you know too,

780
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,199
two white defensive backs brawling. Yeah, and then in the

781
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,719
fight club, you know, I like it. Yeah, yeah, I'm

782
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,320
just keeping you in mind. I mean I think, uh

783
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:59,360
you know Jan Jorgensen was it was into m m

784
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,119
A said ye yeah, and uh so we've got some fighters.

785
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:04,960
We got some fighters in our crew. But gladhow's well

786
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,800
with you? Bayu football? I don't know if you've been

787
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,840
able to get eyes on camp Killane during spring ball.

788
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,199
Speaker 3: Yet did you just get here into the town?

789
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 6: Just gone to town?

790
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,679
Speaker 7: I haven't been there, but yeah, keeping yeah, keeping this

791
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:17,840
stuff falling.

792
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:22,199
Speaker 2: Oh, Cody Barty, you want bron I to fight there? Cody?

793
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,159
Oh yeah, yeah, it'd be a good matchup.

794
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Cody Barton. Is Cody still playing ball?

795
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 6: Okay?

796
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,079
Speaker 3: Is he still playing balls? He got? I don't know,

797
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,480
is he Let me take a look.

798
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm taking more MLP all day on this one, babe.

799
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:37,039
Cody's a good football player, though. What did you make

800
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:38,760
of the of the b A Cougar football season?

801
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 3: Though?

802
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's He's still playing in the league, so he's

803
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,599
probably gonna he may want to fight still, he may

804
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:45,679
you know, even be good shape. But twenty twenty five,

805
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,480
twelve and two almost gonna you get.

806
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: To the Big twelve championship game.

807
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,159
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the stuff that you know, we

808
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,679
dreamed about NL nil money Big toal championships on the

809
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,599
knocking on the door of the College Football Playoff.

810
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: I think were you a part of the twenty twenty team?

811
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 7: Uh No, the twenty nineteen was technically this season, Okay.

812
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you didn't get to be a part of

813
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,079
the they were kind of knocking on the door. They

814
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:08,039
were c fpff.

815
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 6: Well, yep, No, it's been fun to watch.

816
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 7: It's just like you said, it's every fans dream was

817
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,719
like that season, and yet you still have the fans

818
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,159
that are like complaining. You know, I'm like, this has

819
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,000
been the best year and arguably history.

820
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,119
Speaker 3: It really is. Versus the strength of schedule, it's really good.

821
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 7: So it's so fun to watch, So fun to be

822
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,480
a fan again and just and just watch them do

823
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:35,800
their thing, and and also see Kilane like because I

824
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,159
was his first year twenty sixteen, twenty sixteen, Yeah, it

825
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,079
was my sophomore year.

826
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 3: Great year, by the way, Yeah.

827
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 6: It's a great year.

828
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,199
Speaker 7: And so it just to see how the culture's grown

829
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:49,480
and the team he's built around them and how dialed

830
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,079
in they are. There's a lot of momentum velocity and

831
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:54,639
you can see it on the field, you can hear

832
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:55,360
it from the players.

833
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,519
Speaker 6: So it's been fun to watch.

834
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, how have you seen Kilane change and evolve over

835
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,920
time since that first year because obviously, like you're around

836
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,599
him that year. Yeah, like what has what has grown

837
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,960
in Kilani's coaching philosophy since then that you've seen.

838
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 6: I think the main thing was culture.

839
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 7: I think I mean any coach, right, they're trying to

840
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,760
figure out who their team is, what their culture is.

841
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:24,599
And then also how that's actually practically implemented, right, how

842
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,840
the schedule looks, how the systems within the team work,

843
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,400
how your leadership operation works within the team, right, how

844
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,800
do you want to operate as a coach or you

845
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,639
kind of more hands on and more hands off, or

846
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:39,320
you player led. And so I think at the beginning

847
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,440
it was it was interesting because every year we felt

848
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,400
something different, like we felt him tweaking something. Oh, we're

849
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,199
moving more and more towards the leadership roles of the players,

850
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,119
more and more into the love and learning culture. And

851
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:56,559
it actually like you could see it visually as a

852
00:39:56,559 --> 00:39:59,000
player from year one to the next year to the

853
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:02,519
next year. Oh, things are starting to change. Also, he

854
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:05,360
has you know, a bunch of staff changes those years,

855
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,360
if you remember, I mean there's a new OC every year.

856
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 6: So that's one of the big things.

857
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:13,119
Speaker 7: Him finding his people too, right, and and and dialing

858
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:13,639
that in and.

859
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:16,039
Speaker 6: It's just man, you can see it just dialed right now.

860
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,119
It's cool to watch.

861
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, you bring up some really interesting points. We were

862
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:21,480
talking about dynamic duos in the tight end room. I

863
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,039
know you started off as a wide receiver, kind of

864
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:28,760
like a slot, big big body wide receiver that could

865
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,199
be deemed as a flex anyway. But I saw you

866
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,559
some ISO, I think a couple of deep posts early

867
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:35,239
on in your career, coming down with some balls.

868
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,639
Speaker 3: Who who's the best? Uh? You know what?

869
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:43,079
Speaker 2: Who was the the counterparty in twelve personnel settings when

870
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:43,920
you were at BUYU?

871
00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 6: Oh it is Matt Bushman.

872
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,679
Speaker 2: That's a great crew MLP and a young Matt bush

873
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,159
that's Matt Bushman. Yeah, Matt Bushman.

874
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:52,639
Speaker 3: You guys are good together. That's a good deal.

875
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 6: That was a fun That was a fun time because.

876
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 2: You were more of the in line, but you could flex.

877
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,519
And then Matt was a flex.

878
00:40:58,760 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

879
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:01,159
Speaker 7: Yeah, I had a couple of pounds on him and

880
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,599
it just fit. It just worked normal that way. And

881
00:41:03,639 --> 00:41:05,519
so I ran a lot of the true why positions,

882
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:09,199
although we we switched and flip flop, but if it

883
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,239
was twelve typically we'd say he was at the F

884
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,760
so he's in that like you back off offset position,

885
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:15,960
and I'd run a lot of the Y.

886
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:20,199
Speaker 6: And I loved playing with Matt because I mean you.

887
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 7: Get people that take an eye off you to go

888
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:25,280
worry about someone else and vice versa.

889
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 6: It just it just works.

890
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 4: It was fun.

891
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was kind of pulling up like the best

892
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:33,559
duo tight end in BYU football history, and I was like,

893
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:37,159
I was like, I'm pretty sure you crossed over with Matt,

894
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:39,199
but it wanted to make sure because like he had

895
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,159
some injuries as well.

896
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 7: That's the most years I crossed over with. We had

897
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,519
a young Dallen Holker at the beginning. So the cool

898
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:48,280
thing about playing with Matt was it was just the

899
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,480
IQ right, Like we knew going in we could just

900
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,519
give a look or a glance and we knew, or

901
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:56,719
we could swip switch the drop of the hat in

902
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,559
the middle of the play and be just fine.

903
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 6: And and so it was fun with Matt in that.

904
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 3: Card because you had your injury in twenty eighteen.

905
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, had one in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen.

906
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:10,599
Speaker 3: The twenty eighteen was the was that getting rolled up on?

907
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was Washington.

908
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,679
Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen was that Liz Frank.

909
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 6: I was Liz Frank before the even the season even.

910
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:19,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we didn't get to see that, but two

911
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:25,679
thousand yeah, twenty eighteen and nineteen yep. Yeah, ye, so

912
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,480
I was looking at it kind of like the stats

913
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,440
of Matt Bushman in twenty nineteen forty seven reception, six

914
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,840
hundred and eighty eight yards and four touchdowns and then

915
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:38,519
you had nine with one twenty four in a touchdown yep,

916
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:41,199
and you played in eleven games that year.

917
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's a good duo right there.

918
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was fun.

919
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the year prior you had only played in

920
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,920
six games. But Matt, I think Matt ended up having

921
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:56,079
where was Matt at there? And as far as his receiving,

922
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,679
Matt led the team in receptions in twenty eighteen twenty

923
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,039
nine for five eleven two touchdowns and then in six

924
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:08,599
games you were trending really well too, fourteen receptions, one

925
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:09,760
twenty in a touchdown.

926
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, a good year that would have been.

927
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,119
Speaker 2: Actually, you play all twelve thirteen games and you know

928
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:20,199
you're at you're at almost thirty receptions and he's trending

929
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,960
for fifty sixty. That's a really statistically that's like where

930
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:27,400
you guys were trending at that time. Is one of

931
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,480
the better seasons in Buli football history from the tight

932
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:30,719
ends and that twelve personal set.

933
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 6: It was a fun first five six games for sure.

934
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:37,119
Speaker 2: All right, sorry, I'm bringing up the pass. This is

935
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:40,199
what we do on radio. And then my knee up

936
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,039
blow down.

937
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: To try to come.

938
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: Oh it's hard, man, this game I can't. I call

939
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,079
football game of attrition right like it just is.

940
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 6: It's just it's a it's all out war on the

941
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,559
field and physical. It's it's not for the faint of heart.

942
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 7: And I mean, but but that's what makes it great.

943
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,920
That's what makes it, you know, worthwhile and makes the

944
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,039
memories fun to go back and look at it.

945
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 3: No doubt you got a yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, we were talking a little bit earlier about tight

947
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ends and running backs, and I noticed that buy us

948
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all time. Great running backs usually have really great tight

949
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ends to go with them, Like you know, Luke Staley

950
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had had a couple of great ones with them, Harvey

951
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,480
and had Dennis Pitta, and Andrew George and and and

952
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I mean you were with Jamal and LJ had Carson

953
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:35,320
Ryan last year. What role is or if it like,

954
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what is the role of a tight end and how

955
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do they how do they connect with a running back?

956
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Do you guys help take the load off of a

957
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running back. How does that? What's the connection?

958
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Speaker 2: Then?

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00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:48,079
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think anytime you have more weapons on the

960
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:51,280
field in general, it's gonna help everybody. Right, you just

961
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,880
can't focus. You can't just load the box. If you've

962
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,119
got tight ends that can leak out and make plays downfield,

963
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,079
you can't just focus on LJ or jamal right and

964
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and things like that. I think a tight end specifically

965
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in the run game is super underrated. I think their

966
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impact in the run game is huge. And if you

967
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have a tight end that can block to your point,

968
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it makes running back shops a lot easier. You can

969
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have an extra guy that you bring in the box

970
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:20,800
that is not also going to bring more guys than

971
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the defensive side in the box, but actually add value

972
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and and and affect the game in that regard.

973
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Speaker 6: So yeah, it's cool.

974
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Speaker 7: And running backs always love their their O line or

975
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their tight ends, right whoever's blockings for them.

976
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Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, I think, uh you know, I will

977
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say that double digit wins in b YU football history

978
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seemingly come when there are two NFL caliber tight ends.

979
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It coincides two thousand and one, Doug Jolly Spencer need

980
00:45:57,199 --> 00:46:01,920
both the NFL guys there's may be a few outliers,

981
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right like you had, I want to say in twenty twenty,

982
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you know you kind of had like Mason Wake in

983
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combination with with Isaac Rex, and Isaac was on the

984
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on the trajectory for NFL until he.

985
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Speaker 3: Dislocated his ankle.

986
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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty one you had you had Isaac Rex and

987
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Dallen Holker right my era, Johnny Harlen, Dan Coats in

988
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six and then you know, like you had like seven,

989
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:36,159
which was uh, Dennis Pitta, Andrew George so uh, Chad

990
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,320
Lewis Atulamealy.

991
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Speaker 3: You just go down the list, it's like, oh the

992
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double digits. You know, there's just so.

993
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Speaker 7: Much you can do with tight ends, and yeah, to

994
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,159
that point, it just mismatches, mismatches. It helps you win

995
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:50,800
the game and just to stay unpredictable, like as you

996
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,599
love nothing more than knowing, oh, it's either going to

997
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:54,559
be this or that, Like I only have to regard

998
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:55,639
this if it's not that is this?

999
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Speaker 6: So when you have the tight ends that are such

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a versatile piece, Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 3: Most underrated position of football.

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Speaker 7: Well, I would also say one of the most difficult

1003
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I know, the corners besides quarterback. I don't bias, but

1004
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I don't think there's a harder position.

1005
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,559
Speaker 3: To play Titan stuff. Especially you and physically you.

1006
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,679
Speaker 7: Block every single person. Ye you're blocking a d tackle

1007
00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:20,599
and you're blocking a safety in a corner. You're also

1008
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:22,159
running routes. You have to know the whole route tree.

1009
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You have to know all the pass pro So it's.

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Speaker 2: A lot you're in space and in your stock blocks

1011
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:29,360
and so you're you're you're you're matching up with some

1012
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,519
good athletic guys in the slots.

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Speaker 6: Then the next place.

1014
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Speaker 2: Yeah, then you got a down block on a Yeah,

1015
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you know you're like, holy caw, that guy's.

1016
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Speaker 7: Masterlock this three tech right now, let's go run out

1017
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,239
of little Patrie m l P.

1018
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Speaker 2: We appreciate you hopping on and now uh message the

1019
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,840
Cougar nation to come out and support the the the

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old heads that they're gonna be playing now in the

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alumni game tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, come come cheer on.

1023
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Speaker 7: The old farts are running around a little it's gonna

1024
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be cold, gonna be cool.

1025
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Speaker 2: Little trip down autographs, man, coming, get into the autographs

1026
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and let these guys really soak it up, these former

1027
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Boa greats.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it'll be fun. I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: And connect with Moron I. If you're looking at you

1030
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know land development, hook up with him on LinkedIn. He

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does great work and great stuff MLP appreciate you, man,