WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:05.320 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera on 2 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:10.679 Fox Sports fourteen fifty powered by Nova Insurance Services Insure 3 00:00:10.759 --> 00:00:12.480 your most prized possessions. 4 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:16.199 Hey, good afternoon, everybody. 5 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:17.879 Welcome to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports 6 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:20.960 fourteen fifteen on Steve Rivera and today is My Guy 7 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:25.760 on Monday, Troy Hutchison and my guy three days out 8 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:26.199 of the week. 9 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:28.960 Right, what's going on, guys? 10 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:30.719 Not the much. How's your weekend? 11 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:31.960 Exactly? Nothing much. 12 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:35.640 Summer's not a lot, not a lot going. NBA Finals done? 13 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:37.359 You know, you find out what I want to talk about. 14 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:42.200 Man, Today was what basically only on fries with a 15 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:47.079 Dodger guy here. Yeah, it was good, good, good. It 16 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:50.799 was a pretty good NBA Finals. I thought seven games. 17 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:53.880 Crazy game yesterday because of Halliburton. 18 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:57.359 Yeah what once he lunched and he saw him go down, 19 00:00:57.679 --> 00:00:59.640 you knew I was over, You knew was done? 20 00:00:59.759 --> 00:00:59.960 Yeah? 21 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:00.840 You mean the game? 22 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:04.239 Yeah, they they did pretty well, got the U of A. 23 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:08.120 Guys did really well, made a name for themselves. They 24 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:09.760 never once mentioned where they were from. 25 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:13.000 I don't think, no, not at all, I have even 26 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:17.079 from Duke, as everybody says, oh that guy's from Duke 27 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:18.599 no wonder you're playing hard. 28 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:21.159 I feel like Richard Jefferson was giving him some favor 29 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:22.319 in the broadcast. 30 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:26.400 Yeah, so that that was. I will talk about that 31 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:31.640 a little bit. Anything else the book Cultural Series that 32 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:34.120 was when I got up. Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about 33 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:34.519 that too. 34 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:34.719 Uh. 35 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:37.400 We have Jennifer in con at three seventeen and then 36 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:39.280 Brian Peterson at four seventeen. 37 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:40.079 Uh. 38 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:41.519 One of the most. 39 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:45.519 Difficult part of my life these days is finding guests 40 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:48.159 because the summer. Yeah, I'm taking the rest of the 41 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:53.079 summer off after today, No, next week I have. It's 42 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:56.280 tough that finding people that you know topical and can 43 00:01:56.319 --> 00:01:58.280 talk about what's going on in the world today, because 44 00:01:58.319 --> 00:01:59.879 I don't really want to talk about other things. But 45 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:03.000 but today, So Jennifer could three seventeen, Channel four obviously 46 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:05.280 channel for I Give you Away. And then Brier Peterson 47 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:08.800 Easy Desert for him. He was with the team out 48 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:12.199 in Omaha soil and he knows Chip fairly well. So 49 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:15.159 we'll talk about that. Not a surprise. It was the 50 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:18.360 wind whether you know, did you read this, I didn't read. 51 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:21.639 I didn't read the same I saw the email come through, 52 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:24.280 But not a surprise. It was just when it was 53 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:27.000 going to happen four years. You knew it was going 54 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:28.960 to happen. Four or five year deal and a four 55 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:30.319 year deal, and when. 56 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:34.919 Is it? Is it? 57 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:37.800 I forget, I forget what I'm talking to. Yeah, A 58 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:38.280 good question. 59 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:40.240 I mean you could you could work off of one 60 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:42.479 year now. There's no reason to have a coach not 61 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:43.560 on a link contract. 62 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:44.800 Yeah, because of the recruiting. 63 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:48.000 Yeah, m good question. I don't know. 64 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:51.159 I would assume it would be. I worked in baseball. 65 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:56.479 Well, baseball is doing something a little bit more interesting 66 00:02:56.599 --> 00:03:00.280 these days, so they're going deeper into the lineup, deeper 67 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:03.159 into the lineup, deeper or into the postseason. You know, 68 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:04.439 that's what I came in, you know. 69 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:08.199 Yeah, we'll see what happens and then uh, your guy, 70 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:12.960 uh Tommy Tommy Lloyd, Tommy boy is out and overseas with. 71 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:17.080 Run yeah, you know to Coepete there and performing very well. 72 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:20.039 Everybody was talking about that dunk, but dunks the dunk, 73 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:21.759 but actually playing very right. 74 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:23.560 Right though, though you're right, gut look at you, you 75 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.879 must be fifty years old. Dunks of dunk on you 76 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:28.639 would say it's only two points, just like every other shot. 77 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:31.319 I don't think they're going to give him you a 78 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:36.039 huge NBA contractor off a one dunk that was that. 79 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:36.439 Was the case. 80 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:37.240 That was the case. 81 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:38.840 It would have been has On Adams would have had 82 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:41.240 a lot of money in the NBA a lot of time. 83 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:42.639 It would have been truly hot sauce. 84 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:46.360 Yeah, hot sauce. Right, So we'll talk about all that. 85 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.120 So good for a chip though, four you're for four years, 86 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:54.360 I think, new signed, new signature, new new contract. 87 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:58.520 I wonder how contracts are going to change now moving 88 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:02.560 forward with the transfer portal, with everything going on. Is 89 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:05.120 that because you have to feel a little bit more 90 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:08.639 uncomfortable giving out these four or five, six, seven year 91 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:14.039 deals at some colleges like Judfish at Washington, knowing that 92 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:16.399 a lot can change within a year. 93 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:17.720 Yeah, no question. 94 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:20.680 And the money, yeah, because you know the buyouts and 95 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:22.879 all that. I'm sure it's talking about we thought this 96 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:25.839 when COVID hit. Remember when all this money either paying 97 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:29.920 these coaches, you know, ten twenty million dollars four or 98 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:32.399 five million, six million, ten million dollars a year and 99 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.279 then COVID hits and then you're not coaching and buyouts 100 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:36.800 are huge something stuff. 101 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:38.879 Why would you do that? 102 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:40.600 Why would you make it long term, and why would 103 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:41.800 you pay them this much of money when you have 104 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:44.680 to maybe you fire them at some point. 105 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:47.839 I mean, unless you're at a place like Georgia Alabama. 106 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:50.560 I mean, we just saw George's coach what one hundred 107 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:53.759 million dollars and contracted football a while ago, like near 108 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:57.399 the beginning of the season or something like that. Another 109 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.399 big contracts somewhere else in college football. But if you're 110 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:03.920 not a school like that, it just doesn't make sense 111 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:05.319 to do those types of deals. 112 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:07.319 But but if you have the money like the. 113 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:11.639 Doers, even with Chad seven years, seventy five, yeah or whatever. 114 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:15.319 The but you whatever money you want to bet, whatever 115 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:17.279 money you want to bet, he doesn't end up with 116 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:17.800 at seven. 117 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:21.959 Oh, I don't think he'll get to your I want 118 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:23.600 to say three for I'm going to say four just 119 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:25.399 to be I do want to say three. 120 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:29.000 But well, because he'll go somewhere else, he'll leave. I mean, 121 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:31.399 that's what the projection is. You know, his track record 122 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:33.480 shows what what was it when he got there? Was 123 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.279 on the thirteen jobs in fourteen years? Something crazy? So 124 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:41.759 I left, yeah, exactly. Wait, he doesn't love Tucson. Wow, 125 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:45.199 he's a trap. Trap peezer. You know what he can trap? 126 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:47.079 Wait, there's another job I gotta go. 127 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:49.759 Yeah, every job says dream job. 128 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.600 Yes, he has a lot of dreams. That's why dream 129 00:05:53.639 --> 00:06:01.120 ball getting up tomorrow, this dream give me up at 130 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:01.439 the boarding? 131 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:05.079 What's up right? Not your weekend? 132 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:05.639 It was? 133 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:06.120 It was good. 134 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:08.800 I've been watching since I don't have school right now, 135 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:10.480 just been watching a lot of movies. 136 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:12.439 Oh really, what Jaws? 137 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:17.199 Fight Club? Fight Club? It's good. I've never seen that. 138 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:18.199 It's a good one. 139 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:19.279 Good one. 140 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:23.000 Secrets on what's shrase? There's no need you don't talk. 141 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:25.759 About don't talk about it, man breaking the rules. 142 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:29.759 You broke it by telling me, Yeah, it's fair again. 143 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:31.319 You guys want to com please do five to two. 144 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:34.800 Oh save us from five to four. 145 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:36.800 One sixty four forty would like to hear from you 146 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:39.000 what you thought on what happened over the weekend. 147 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:40.519 Yeah, I felt sorry for coach all day. 148 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:42.399 You know, get their coach thrown out in the first 149 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.279 inning for whatever reason. 150 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:48.240 I didn't see exactly what happens and strikes I think, Yeah, 151 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:49.519 was that just the bottom line? 152 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:51.079 Balls and is right to begin with? 153 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:51.480 And then he. 154 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:53.959 Argued more, and then you said, hey, get the hell, 155 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:56.360 get the hell out of here. You're gonna lose anyway, 156 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.120 and uh, we're gonna have Bryan. You know, he covered 157 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:04.480 J two, right, I never covered Jay And I asked Michael, 158 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:07.439 I guess he's an intense dude, even in those interviews 159 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:09.720 are really and we played hard, you know. 160 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:13.560 Very very strict, very monotone. Yeah, very yeah. 161 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:17.120 Not exciting, not that you have to be, but you know, 162 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:18.000 he's successful. 163 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:22.279 I mean two World Series later, so right, titles. They 164 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:23.879 had him here for a reason, because he's a good coach. 165 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:25.079 They got him over there because he's. 166 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:26.639 A good coach. You know. 167 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.800 Did the ump falling have anything to do. 168 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:32.560 With Yeah, and he fell on his own. 169 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:35.040 It looked like he fell on his own. Yeah, But 170 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:36.839 because then he gave the quote and he was like, 171 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:40.360 I don't have anything to do with a grown man's athleticism. 172 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:41.720 Oh yeah at the end of the game. 173 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:43.959 Yeah, yeah, he said that in the in the postgame presser. 174 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:46.120 I don't I don't think so really, but it was 175 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:49.319 It's interesting, like because he like was backing up or something. 176 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.079 Yeah, And it looked like it looked like the coastal 177 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:54.560 coach talking to like a different number, like it wasn't 178 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:55.480 even facing himself. 179 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:59.399 But who knows what umpires are thinking. There's sometimes where 180 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:02.839 you're just like really like a couple of years ago, 181 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:04.399 I don't I don't know if you guys remember the 182 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:07.319 whole entire Madison Bumm Gardener thing with the checking of 183 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:11.600 the hand, and that's normal for the MLB umpires to 184 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:13.839 check the hand. But he wasn't even looking at him. 185 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:16.439 He was just looking at Madison and barely like feeling that. 186 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:19.079 He was just testing to see how stuff I could 187 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:21.160 get this guy before he freaks out. And then he 188 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:23.240 kicks him out of the game. So it's like, okay, 189 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:25.439 what what are your intentions going in? 190 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:28.800 Kick me out? 191 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:32.399 I don't want to be here. I'm not going to 192 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:33.279 get paid anyway. 193 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:40.240 I hope nobody can read my lips when you do 194 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:42.639 the right everybody doesn't know. 195 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.000 Could you get me out of the third? He can't 196 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:50.799 go three? We'll see what happens. Okay, anything else. 197 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:55.039 Uh NBA, But I mean besides finals, trade deadline, well 198 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:57.000 not trade deadline, but the trade and. 199 00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:59.080 Oh yeah, yeah, I wanted to get somebody from Penix. 200 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:01.080 Somebody do it, by the more, But yeah, that big 201 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:01.399 trade in. 202 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:04.080 Phoenix and how that impacts potentially Carter Bryan. 203 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:06.600 Yeah, yeah, because someone said that they might pick him 204 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:06.960 at ten. 205 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:09.039 Seems like a good spot for him. 206 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:11.759 Yeah him, Yeah, are you God? 207 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:13.600 It's hard for me to say we didn't see him 208 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:17.480 enough of him obviously, but obviously he's got a ton 209 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:21.000 of potential. I'm gonna do the story on Caleb probably 210 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:22.639 tonight for tomorrow or whatever. 211 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:25.000 Because still have you heard anything? 212 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:25.519 No? 213 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:29.600 And Tommy is convinced. Yeah, but although what else is 214 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:31.080 he going to say that too? 215 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:35.639 But is that drafted or signed? Summer league both? You 216 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:36.039 know what I mean? 217 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:37.799 Well, were you there in the press comverance? Yeah, so 218 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:39.480 you heard my question right, And he kind of jumped 219 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:40.919 on me. He says, what have you been hearing? I said, well, 220 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:44.120 I know what, I know what I read. I don't 221 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:47.000 talk to anybody anymore. And he says, well, I've been 222 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:50.840 talking to people and you don't feel this way. In fact, 223 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:53.679 somebody interviewed me about TJ this morning. You're doing a 224 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:56.159 story when Sewn said he's a pro and we all 225 00:09:56.159 --> 00:10:00.159 looked at him, what really? And then Caleb was was 226 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:02.799 more of a pro now than t J was then 227 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.720 a pro? That NBA player come on who's a better 228 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.080 player too, well now because we have ten years. 229 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:11.320 No, no, no, no, no, even back then, I don't know 230 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:13.879 because I arguing because you full of crap. 231 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:15.120 No, because you can't. 232 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:18.600 You can't replace high basket Bay like you always doing 233 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:19.120 the right things. 234 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:22.480 I don't hustle everything. Caleb doesn't do any of that. 235 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:23.279 I don't. 236 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:25.320 But he's he He's a heck of basketball player that 237 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:27.519 doesn't he doesn't fit today's game. 238 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:30.120 Well no, no, okay. 239 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:33.480 Caleb Calen doesn't fit today's game. He fits more of 240 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.200 today's game. My whole thing is anything I say is 241 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.879 going to be ten years of TJ doing really well. No, no, 242 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:43.200 I agree with that because he's been fantastic. But you 243 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.360 I'm not defending Caleb either, because I know he's flawed, 244 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.320 and he's flawed big time. Not just basketball, it's other things. 245 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:52.720 TJ was very flawed in terms of shoot shooting and 246 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:55.879 jumping and athletic ability. What's the NBA about? 247 00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:59.919 Yes, yes, no so, But to your. 248 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:02.840 Point, yes, he's got all the other things, and I 249 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:05.240 would take him tomorrow in a heartbeat over a lot 250 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.960 of people. But at the time, you're thinking, how is 251 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:09.799 he going to be an NBA player because he doesn't 252 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.120 have But you think the NBA is right the potential 253 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:14.559 that Carter has. 254 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.080 Yeah, he didn't back then. He didn't have that either. 255 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:19.080 No, no, no, but he's. 256 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:21.720 Found he's a fantastic player. I would I would take 257 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:23.320 him tomorrow. He's gonna be a heck of a coach 258 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:25.720 when he decides to coach, if he wants to do that. 259 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:29.519 But with Caleb, then I'm not trying to fit Caleb 260 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:32.759 in the NBA. I just don't see it. Tommy's going 261 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:34.759 to defend him to the death, and he did that 262 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:36.799 a week or so ago when I asked the question, 263 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:38.960 kind of joked back back and forth with me. 264 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:44.360 But okay, my thing with Caleb is, obviously he's more 265 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:47.159 skilled offensive player than what TJ was coming out in 266 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:50.279 terms of shooting the ball. But you're also a high 267 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:53.080 volume shooter. You don't shoot for a great percentage, You 268 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:55.279 turn the ball over, and you do none of the 269 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:55.840 little things. 270 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:58.039 No, No, you're right, you're right. I think he can 271 00:11:58.120 --> 00:11:59.639 when he wants to. When he did that when he 272 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:03.080 wanted so Cadaiden when when he wanted to. But yeah, 273 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:06.720 I know Aiden's much more talented. But what I'm saying player. No, no, no, 274 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:08.799 I got, I got. What I'm saying is the motor 275 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:10.879 of it though, yeah, yeah yeah, And whose fault is that? 276 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:12.240 Who's the player? The player? 277 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:14.159 Right, So maybe that'll change. 278 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:17.159 It's funny because when Richard came out, When Richard came out, 279 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:18.440 and when we got all these people saying, no, he's 280 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:20.159 not the first round guy. You look at his stats, 281 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:22.799 blah blah blah. But Richard was a heck of a player. 282 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:24.279 He's got a lot of potential back then, he came 283 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:26.840 out as a junior. What he did was over the summer, 284 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:28.519 he worked on his handles, he worked on his shot, 285 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.720 he worked at and became this guy, right, this pretty 286 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:35.519 good player, a flat player, but a pretty good player. Yeah. 287 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:40.120 TJ's fantastic. Would take him tomorrow. For Caleb, I don't know. 288 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:40.960 I don't see him. 289 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:43.200 I don't. I don't agree what Tommy is saying. 290 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:45.799 I don't either. I don't. 291 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:50.039 There has to be that extra gear when you're outside 292 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:55.200 the scheduled times, because college is everything's so rigid. 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