WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:06.280 Do you really want to leave with these idiots? I'm 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:09.599 afraid so. But I cleansed you of your evil. I 3 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:13.039 had a little left between my toes. It quickly multiplied 4 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:15.480 and now I'm a bigger bestard than ever. But I 5 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:18.239 must know what was it about me that made you try? 6 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:21.839 Because I've killed so many rich white men, I thought 7 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:23.559 i'd do right by at least one. 8 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:29.399 We're not so different. You and I get your skinny 9 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:49.359 ass out of here. Four finger discounted to this the 10 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:51.359 podcast where we get curbs on because this is what 11 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:53.560 we hit to review American History accident. 12 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:55.759 I'm Dander and I am god. Oh yeah, thanks for 13 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:57.840 bringing back fond memories of American history. X. 14 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:00.560 We had to do a score report on that movie. 15 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:02.280 We have to watch it at school in year ten, 16 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:05.079 and yeah, it changed me, I imagine. 17 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:07.480 So this is a movie that has not just probably 18 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:10.840 the most brutal and vivid curb stomping and you don't 19 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:13.840 even in actually really see the curb stop here, also 20 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:15.159 has a bunch of prison rape in it. 21 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:18.640 That's uh wow. Stuff to show the year tens, The Simpsons, 22 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:22.400 everybody in American History excellent. There's no curb stomping or 23 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.560 a prison rape in this episode. However, No before we 24 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:26.959 get into our review of this episode, THO, I've got 25 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:29.519 some news. I'm no longer married to an English girl. 26 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:33.400 Wait what? No, wait what, I'm married to an English Australian. 27 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:36.439 She did a citizenship. Oh I think it was Australian. Now, well, 28 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:40.719 according to the opposition, she's part of the problem, all 29 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:45.920 the immigrants. Yeah, I knew it was him. Congratulations for 30 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.359 being now part of Australian Yeah's. And she says it felt 31 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:52.319 weird because nothing really feels different, but now she has to. 32 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:54.400 It's like that she care about she must vote because 33 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:56.480 in Australia, you must vote. You want to pay the fine. 34 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:58.239 We get a sausage. Yeah, we get a snag. Yeah, 35 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:01.000 of course, democracy sausage. She's also now several jobs that 36 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:02.439 she wanted to go for, but she couldn't go for 37 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:05.040 them because she wasn't the citizens and jobs and so 38 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:09.800 you got me take it more of our Australian money. Yeah, 39 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:13.879 give it a roof over my head, allowing you to. 40 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:16.319 Keep talking about the Simpsons and other fine progrems. 41 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:19.919 First things first, this episode a lot better than last week. Correct, Yes, 42 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.240 holy Mully, Oh yeah, if you've listened. 43 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:25.120 To our episode about the Greatest Story ever old, well, 44 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:27.919 you'll know that neither Dando nor I were fans. 45 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:31.879 But American History excellent, look a little better. It's still 46 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:34.719 it's got its problem. Certainly. I've got here an upgrade 47 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:39.080 from last week, not saying much a good point. Yes, 48 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:43.360 anything better than rock Bottom is an improvement, but we're 49 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:45.680 slightly up for rock Bottom here. The thing is, I've 50 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:49.000 done it a lot recently, parroting stuff that is so 51 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:51.919 dated in a sense of like so Parry the Green 52 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:54.599 Mile and the short shat redemption in this right eleven 53 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:57.360 years after Green Mile came out, where people still talking 54 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.199 about Green Mile, I feelt maybe the visual of on 55 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:03.639 coffee maybe, but I just don't think people really cared 56 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:06.159 about the Green Mile by twenty ten, not as much. 57 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:10.080 No, No, I mean shaw Shank has really got staying power. 58 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:13.879 The Green Mile, of course, is another Frank Dreblant movie 59 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:15.560 based on the Stephen King book. 60 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:18.719 I think The Green Mile has more staying power than Shawshank, 61 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:21.719 to be completely honest, really yeah, I think everyone. I think, 62 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:24.080 as someone who grew up in the nineties, I have 63 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:26.759 more knowledge of you know, the big dude, what's his name? 64 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:30.240 Michael Clark, Michael Clarke, Duncan from the Green Mile. You know, 65 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:33.520 than I do anything from Shawshank. Really, I love Shawshank, 66 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:35.759 but I don't think as a kid from that era, Okay, 67 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:38.400 I have any sort of that's interesting because yeah, I 68 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:40.759 mean I don't look it up at the rain. That's 69 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:43.879 the visual, sure, but I mean shaw Shank was not 70 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:46.879 hit at the time. It wasn't. No, not all well. 71 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:49.520 I mean it's burned with a fairly sort of unwieldy title. 72 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:53.039 The stars names but not necessarily movie star names. I 73 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:55.879 think it really sort of helped put Morgan Freeman on 74 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:56.840 the map in a lot of way. 75 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.039 Really, I was wondering that because I watched Unforgiven for 76 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.439 the first time the other day, right that one's best film? 77 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:06.680 Did it? It did? Yeah? How what I liked it? 78 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:09.919 I was just like, oh, this was best film of 79 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:12.719 the year. I don't know. It just felt very by 80 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:16.120 the numbers. I think a lot of it had to 81 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:21.639 be slow and well the dialogue felt clunky. Oh no, 82 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:22.000 not to. 83 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:24.680 Me, And I think to some people, yeah, some people 84 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:26.759 slow as and other people sort of deliberate and measured. 85 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:30.680 I think another thing is it was you know, I'm like, 86 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:32.639 I know where this is going, so can we just 87 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:35.120 get okay? Yeah, I didn't enjoy the journey as as 88 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:38.199 much as I thought I would. It's interesting. I'm a huge, 89 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:39.480 huge fan of Unforgiven. I love it. 90 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:41.279 I think it's I think it's one of the Eastwood's 91 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:44.639 best And it also came to a time when I 92 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:46.279 wouldn't say Eastwood's sort of. 93 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.639 Career was on the decline. 94 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:52.639 But he had a rough sort of late eighties even 95 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:57.800 total eighties, and this was regarded as he's going back 96 00:04:57.800 --> 00:04:59.439 to the cowboy. Well, but he's viewing it from a 97 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:03.519 different active, and there's a lot of talking about revisionist 98 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:05.120 Westerns when it's kind of like, oh, it used to 99 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:06.839 be all cowboys and in his white hat and black 100 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:08.800 hats and all that, and its kind of like the 101 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:11.839 old West was kind of murky and muddy and morally 102 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:17.199 gray and and pretty violent, and Eastwood was kind of 103 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:18.680 subverting all that kind of stuff. 104 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.040 So I think that's why. I don't think that's the 105 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:22.800 only reason they got best picture, but I think it 106 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:26.040 was a bit of a you can borrow my four 107 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:31.959 cave you like, sure, I can have it. It sounds like, oh, 108 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:34.040 why were you talking about I don't think it was 109 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:38.079 sure Shank and just Morgan Morgan, Morgan free My point 110 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:41.000 was I was like, was Morgan Freeman a star when 111 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:42.040 he was younger? 112 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:44.879 No, because he worked for years and years and years. Yes, 113 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:49.199 just as a working actor. He made a movie in 114 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:52.879 the late eighties called Street Smart. This is really interesting 115 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:55.879 because it was a Christopher Reeve sort of movie and 116 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:00.879 he only he only did Superman four. So the company 117 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:03.279 that bankrolled it, he said, you have to also have 118 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:04.839 to make this movie street Smart, where he plays like 119 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:09.000 this this journalist who's written this huge story about Oh, 120 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:11.439 it's about a pimp in the streets, except he made 121 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:13.000 it all up because he couldn't find a pimper. We 122 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.839 talked to him and then this real life pimp, his 123 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:19.279 sort of story coincides with it's Morgan Freeman, and he's 124 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:20.040 fantastic and. 125 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:22.519 He's so good it's absolutely terrifying. And he was like, well, 126 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:24.600 this guy's pretty good. That's why they have At the 127 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:26.279 start of Laura order the following story, it's not to 128 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:31.800 picked any actual person. Can I I'm sorry I'm doing 129 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:33.720 stories within stories here, but this just struck me as 130 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:36.360 extremely funny. It's very online, but it was very, very funny. 131 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.040 Are you aware of someone called Club Vicula? Are you 132 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:43.160 online enough to know about this person? No, okay, this 133 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.959 is someone who's called a look Smaxer's like he's like 134 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:48.480 an influence. He's this young dude. 135 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:50.920 He's like, all I care about is looking hot, and 136 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:51.959 I'll do whatever it takes. 137 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:55.240 He went bored, had fake hair that came off. I 138 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:56.240 don't know that's the guy. 139 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:00.120 No, no, no, he's like to get better cheekbones. Do 140 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:02.199 these things called microfraction. You hit yourself in the in 141 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:04.120 the in the cheek with a hammer and you get 142 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:08.519 these micro refractions. That makes you it makes your even sharper. 143 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:09.040 Now. 144 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:13.480 He recently he recently went to court for something and 145 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:17.360 the judge overseeing his case was this really sort of handsome, 146 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:18.720 middle aged dude. 147 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:25.120 Yeah, where are you going with this? Okay, let me try. 148 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:28.279 Here's clivicular. Yeah, this young dude. Here's the judge who 149 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:32.959 was overseeing. What does you have to do with Morgan Freeman. 150 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:35.079 It has to do with law and order. There was 151 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:37.759 this great tweet that said, in the looks backching justice system, 152 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:42.639 mog Baker fenses are considered especially No, no, it just 153 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:44.600 made me laugh because there's this new tom called mogging. 154 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:46.959 You heard that. I'm trying to keep up to date 155 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:49.639 with the kids. If you mog someone means you sort 156 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:52.319 of overpower them by your own charisma or something like that, 157 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:54.519 or by all your own prowwares. It's like, oh, man, 158 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:57.839 you guy totally moggeddand on that podcast with his knowledge 159 00:07:57.879 --> 00:08:02.879 of zeppooned stunted on someone or something like that. Anyway, 160 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:04.680 but yeah, Lauren Order and where we were talking about 161 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:07.279 Lauren Order because I was saying, how oh yeah that 162 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.879 depiction especially heinous. Yes, but yeah. Then I think a 163 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:13.839 couple of years after that did Driving Miss Daisy, which 164 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:15.439 turned out to be a huge hit as well, and 165 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:17.560 it was like, we like this Morgan Freeman guy. But 166 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:20.000 it wasn't until the nineties, but I think Shorwhank was 167 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:21.600 one of the one of the first movies that sort 168 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:24.040 of had him above the title as a star. Okay, yeah, 169 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:26.680 I'm begiveven was certainly one of those. Yeah, Morgan Freeman, 170 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:29.959 what a man, what a guy? A man? Indeed Shure Shank, yes, 171 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:33.200 but Shaw Shank was I don't know, sixteen years It's 172 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.879 always become a bit of a running gage on the 173 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.200 footy record. They would have like profiles of football players 174 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:42.120 and they would have like various questions about what's your 175 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:44.679 favorite food, what's your favorite whatever? And favorite movie? Eight 176 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:47.639 times out of ten was like Shawshank. Really yeah, in 177 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:50.639 the next movie, just a Blokes movie. It's like one 178 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.120 of those movies. It's like, so I go, so I 179 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:54.360 got to crime Matus shaw Shank. 180 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:57.759 It's like Tominated too well yeah, or Fiel The Dreams, 181 00:08:58.120 --> 00:08:59.399 good Will Hunting I Am. 182 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:02.600 I used to always confuse it with the Castle, so 183 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:04.519 I'm like, oh, James got off. He's not the warden. 184 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:06.879 He's a warden in the Castle. Oh, the Last Castle, 185 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:10.279 Last Castle, the Castle, the Last Castle. Yeah, not telling 186 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:13.480 me his dream And no, no, no, I don't know 187 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:15.720 that he's the warden in that one. Here's here's the way, 188 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:19.000 easy way to distinguish those two. Shawshank. Redemption is a 189 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:20.639 good movie. The Last Castle is a bad movie. Is 190 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:21.799 it really? I don't think it's a good movie. 191 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:23.759 I ever liked it when I was younger. Okay, okay, 192 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:25.360 Greenmand was apparently a huge hit. 193 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:28.759 That's the thing. It's Greenma was a huge hit. Yeah. Yeah, 194 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:30.720 but it's a movie I really really like. I don't know. 195 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.039 The thing is, though, I'm watching this, and the story 196 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.600 is that Burns goes to prison because for reasons of whatever, 197 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:37.720 he's still stolen art and stuff, right, he goes to prison, 198 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:40.480 So he's in prison. Yeah, this felt like they were 199 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:43.240 more focused on trying to parody prison film films than 200 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:46.039 actually tell a story. That is kind of the case. 201 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:48.320 It's like we're taking a bit from Georghank, we're taking 202 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:49.679 a bit from Green Malin, and we're taking a bit 203 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:50.759 from American History X. 204 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:54.600 It's did I take anything of American History X? Besides 205 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:55.000 the title? 206 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:57.360 I think it was just I'm trying to remember because 207 00:09:57.360 --> 00:09:58.720 it's been a while since i've seen it. But I 208 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:02.879 thought that Edward Norton stops being a Nazi because he's 209 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:05.559 befriended by a black guy in prison. 210 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:10.080 That's just a green mile, isn't it not really Coffee? 211 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:14.919 Yeah, Yeah, that's very that's very green mile. And the 212 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:18.399 big black guy is supposed to look like John Coffee 213 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.000 played by Michael Clark duncan rest in Peace. I'm pretty 214 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.679 sure that American History X has Yeah, he's converted by 215 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:25.200 a black eye. 216 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:28.360 Whether it's to do with religion or Christianity or whatever. 217 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:30.840 I'm not undertentual, but I think that's the reference because 218 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:32.960 I was, Yeah, why would you call it American history 219 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:36.440 excellent when there's no American History X stuff in it? 220 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:38.360 I don't know. I think that's it. But the thing is, 221 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:40.919 there's three there's three stories in this episode, two of 222 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:43.279 which in particular, could have been fully fledged episodes. Right 223 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:45.720 the Smither's becoming the boss of the power plant, that's 224 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:47.600 an episode in itself. Yes, there was so much you 225 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:50.519 could have doved into the prison, Smithers runs the power 226 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:52.600 and you have the side story of Bartley's with the 227 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:54.759 knot cut that out that didn't need to be cut 228 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:57.000 it out entirely. I didn't like it. I did not 229 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:59.120 like it. Yeah, there was something you could have worked 230 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:01.559 with there, but it just wasn't executed very well. Here 231 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:04.720 my theory was with the Bart and Lisa one, you 232 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:06.879 could have done more of it. For example, when it 233 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:09.440 first happens, maybe Bart is not sympathetic towards the ants, 234 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.919 and it's a way of Lisa teaching but empathy towards animals. 235 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:15.080 And also maybe you could have had like, you know, 236 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:18.440 they have rival ant farms something like that. Right here, 237 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:20.120 they're just sort of looking after this little ant and 238 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.600 then they spend a wholesode looking after it, release it 239 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:24.240 to be free because I was about to die and 240 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:25.159 the doctor just eats it up. 241 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:30.840 They're doing this a bit recently, kind of just humor 242 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:32.759 that if you want to be generous is like, oh, 243 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:34.039 that's a bit dark and subversive. 244 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:36.519 Was like, now, that's just mean spirited. I touched on 245 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.639 a little bit in the last episode with the Jerusalem visit, 246 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:42.720 but this one was felt more so. There was just 247 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:46.799 lots of random short scenes right that ended with a 248 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:48.679 random gag that really had nothing to do with the 249 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:50.720 story and didn't progress the story. So I was like, 250 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:52.879 why these gags here? Tell me more. The big one 251 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.360 for me was Grandpa. Oh yeah, and he has like 252 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:59.919 the dream of his I'm not in my mind im 253 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:02.039 and then he has a dream of him in a cage, 254 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:05.080 and I was like that didn't further the story. It 255 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.120 didn't need to be there. It's like, why are these 256 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:11.559 random things here that they're not They're not, are you? 257 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:14.159 Like the Parker and the Stony thing. Everything needs to happen, 258 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:15.919 needs to be furthering the story. Sure, why are we 259 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:18.840 just throwing in these random Well, like I said in 260 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:21.679 the previous episode, this is in our previous episode when 261 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:23.320 we were talking about the greatest story of but No, 262 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:25.600 I said that this episode I think has just got 263 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:28.320 a really strong foundation, a really interesting van. Burns in 264 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:29.960 prison could have been a great story. I think, Yeah, 265 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.759 him letting the prison life and realize he's being humbled, 266 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:38.519 Smithers being corrupted. Yeah, it almost gives you a bit of 267 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:40.879 pove thought. It's like, what was Burns always bad? Or 268 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:42.919 was he sort of corrupted by power? Why does Smithers? 269 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:44.840 Why do we never have Smithers visiting Burns in prison? 270 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.960 That's good point, Like, that's a very good p Yeah. 271 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:50.960 Cut out all the an farm ship so any of that, No, no, 272 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:55.320 and have like Smithers visiting Burns less and less frequently. 273 00:12:56.639 --> 00:12:58.720 It's been two weeks. You haven't come up because I'm 274 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:00.440 running the planet, you know, and you see me. He 275 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:03.799 looks a little more flash every time. He's like the 276 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:06.159 last time I see him's like got gog chains or something. 277 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:08.080 I think that could be really interesting. 278 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:11.080 My theory was he could have had Smithers at first 279 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:13.240 being a pushover, and he goes to visit Burns in 280 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:15.320 prison and ask for advice on how do I control 281 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:17.240 these guys? How do I make them fear me that 282 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:19.480 they fear you? And then he gives Smithers the advice, 283 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:21.080 and then all of a sudden, Smithers stopped visiting now 284 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:24.559 because now Smith doesn't need him anymore. Correct the Smither's 285 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:27.159 characters always needed Burns. So if it felt odd to 286 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:28.559 me that from the first, from the get go, he 287 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:30.799 was like, I'm going to be the boss that everyone wanted, 288 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:32.720 not like mister Burns. I'm like, you worship this guy. 289 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:35.399 Your whole character is the fact that you fucking love him. 290 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:37.840 You do it, you die for him. So why are 291 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.120 you now now You're the boss? Be everything he wasn't? Well, 292 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:44.679 that's sense, does he he loves mister. 293 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:46.919 Burns, but does he respect mister Burns's way of doing things. 294 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.720 It's kind of like, you know, hate the hate the player, 295 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:51.320 not the game, or something along those lines. I mean, 296 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:54.960 I kind of like the idea of like him thinking, oh, 297 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:57.080 there are ways that this could run more efficiently, could 298 00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:59.200 run better, you know, we could make money but still 299 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:01.879 be a good work. And then it turns out all 300 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:03.120 these workers are dickheads. 301 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.159 Yeah, but we don't see Yeah, that's true. We don't 302 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:08.120 see enough at the power plant of we see one 303 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:10.639 like town meeting of him saying I'm gonna be a 304 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:13.200 better boss, and then it's just them most saying you're 305 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:15.519 a great boss. Smithers. He goes outside for a phone call, 306 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:17.480 which is the most cliche thing ever comes back in 307 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:21.279 over here. Is that Smithers guy? Hey, what he's such 308 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:24.639 a pushover? It's like that is the most basic it 309 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:29.159 really storytelling ever. Yeah, I was. I was a little disappointed, Yeah, 310 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:31.879 which I mean a lot disappointed. Yeah, the Smithers in 311 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:34.600 control of the power plant could work as his own story. 312 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:37.279 Having Burns go for some other reason besides because Burns 313 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:39.759 in Prison should have been a full length episode in itself. 314 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:42.799 Absolutely that you could have had Burns realizing I'm not 315 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:44.639 in control here. I don't have the power. I can't 316 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:46.480 tell people what to do. Yes, the work is way 317 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.159 up the chain. And that's when the Michael Clark Dougling 318 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:51.480 Carriacter John Coffee says, I need to stop this guy. 319 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:54.840 He's becoming too evil. That's yeah, Yeah, that's having become 320 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:56.919 the shot caller in the prison, and then and then 321 00:14:56.960 --> 00:14:58.759 he tries to save him as opposed to just going 322 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.240 because he's not calling any sh that would be I 323 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:04.360 watch a whole Simpsons movie about that it or watching 324 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:06.679 like a two part episode of him going to prison 325 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:10.279 and just make it like Oz yes, and just become 326 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:13.519 there's weedy old man who's just like sheer, cunning and manipulation, 327 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:16.360 becomes the most powerful player in the Jay Yeah. And 328 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:18.919 then but John Coffee is the one guy he can't 329 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:22.000 get to. Yeah, and then John Coffee makes him realize 330 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:26.279 he's been a bad person. Correct, that's wild. That's would 331 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.080 you watch that episode? We'd watch it. 332 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:34.840 We should write it, but eventually I pour writing before 333 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:36.679 though I want it's something I want to talk about 334 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:38.799 a little bit. I mean, I've written down here this 335 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:40.720 is poorly written in terms of that scene where it's 336 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:43.000 like I'm a kid, doesn't even have anything or does everything. 337 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:45.120 I'm not going to it. This guy is such a dickhead, 338 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:47.759 such a loser, blah blah blah. That was poor. That 339 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:48.360 was not great. 340 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:52.320 But even at the start of the episode where you're 341 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:55.000 all working at my fourth of July thing, his I've 342 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:57.360 wrote down what is wrong with Burns's villain here. And 343 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:59.759 I'm not saying, hey, what's wrong with It's not all bad. 344 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:01.960 I'm just saying, why is this not sticking? Why is 345 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:02.799 this not landing for me? 346 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:04.120 Is it too overblown? 347 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:07.759 I mean it's degrading enough that he's getting all these 348 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:09.879 people to come work on the fourth of July for 349 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.440 no money. You don't have to all put on a 350 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:15.320 show for me, you know, put on this grand musical 351 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:17.960 extravaganza or something. It's just like, just come and do 352 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.320 menial labor for me. I think that would resonate with 353 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:22.639 a lot more people, and it would sort of make 354 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:24.279 Burns' villainy more vivid. 355 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:27.159 You know what it is? Because the Burns, the Burns 356 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.799 we grew up with, right, the Burns from the Golden era, 357 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:32.840 wanted to spend his list less time with the employees 358 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:36.080 as possible, even hated doing Employee Night of the Year 359 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:38.559 or whatever you didn't want to be there. He would 360 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:40.720 not want to spend his Fourth of July with his 361 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:43.000 employees doing even though doing shit for him. He's like, 362 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:47.360 I want no one here, leave me alone. Yeah, or okay, 363 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:51.759 it's make this a story. It's my turn to host 364 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:54.919 the Fourth of July party for you know, the billionaire 365 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:56.360 Coalition or whatever. 366 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:00.639 Fine, and yeah, you're all coming to work for me, 367 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.200 you know, to do it. Make it working stiffs versus 368 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:05.279 one percenters kind of do where it's like people are 369 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:07.960 just throwing food over their shoulder and hitting home in 370 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:09.839 the eye with a half eaten cupcake or some ship 371 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:11.880 like that. I don't know, I'm just thinking of a 372 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:14.039 story here. Have there's an episode where it's Fourth of 373 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:17.200 July and the fireworks abandoned Springfield. I feel like Sheennigan's 374 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:18.000 coming suit with that. 375 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:20.079 Yeah, let's do something about that. The beer baron, but 376 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:22.599 the fireworks baron. Yeah. I'm just watching this going there's 377 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:25.160 too much happening in this one, and nothing's actually being 378 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:27.359 fleshed out. Too much and not enough. Nothing like the 379 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:29.920 whole Burns prison. There's nothing to it. So he goes 380 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:31.960 to prison for a reason. That's because he stole it. 381 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:33.880 Apparently that's a real thing. Apparently that art was actually 382 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:36.799 stolen from the Boston Museum and lud just randomly knew that. 383 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:38.480 But they went there to arrest the three guys for 384 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:40.599 ruining his house. And they don't arrest the three guys 385 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:42.759 for ruining his house that has arrest burns. He gets 386 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:45.559 taken to prison, and then he immediately is like, I'm 387 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.279 going to pick my sorority because apparently he's a oblivious idiot, 388 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:51.839 he doesn't understand that prison has the gangs. Which sorority 389 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:54.160 would I choose? And then and then John Coffee is 390 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:57.079 like he's mine. I'm like, why damn? What is going 391 00:17:57.119 --> 00:18:00.680 on here? Why? And then by the end of it 392 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:02.519 is like, no, I still had some evil in between 393 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:05.759 my toes, so I'm still an evil bastard. And I'm like, so, 394 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:08.960 what was the point of any of this? There was none. 395 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:10.839 There was none. And it ends with John Coffee with 396 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.200 fat Tony you were mentioning dark gags. I thought it 397 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:16.240 was going to end with him going the delightful guy 398 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:19.440 back in prison, right, and him going telling a story 399 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:21.160 and pans out and he's actually sitting on the electric 400 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:23.039 chair about to be ax. I thought that's where they 401 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:25.319