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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of

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geek Verse Podcast with your crew. What are we The

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master Cheeks were the Poblos remember.

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Speaker 2: On the brain?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, one and the same.

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Speaker 4: You can't have Pablo without the master Cheeks and one

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the other way as well.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's true, that's true, one and the same.

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Speaker 1: Uh. We are here because we are continuing our trek

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across Middle Earth to cover the Rings of Power Show.

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This is episode four, like, I'll just five.

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Speaker 3: You missed four last week?

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Speaker 2: I missed that's right.

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Speaker 3: We did watch episode five tonight. That's correct.

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Speaker 1: I did watch episode five tonight, so we are on

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the right track. But yes, my name is I got

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no nickname. I'll just go newman Ors fuck to taylor

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Field and I'm joined.

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Speaker 5: By I'm the Smith cos.

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Speaker 3: I'm the Dell Master Dylan Moss.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so we're gonna be getting into some juicy non

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spoilers first, or what do we do? Do we do

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non spoilers first? Yeah, we do, and then spoilers with

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TV show. It's been so long, Like I'm about to lunch,

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it's been a few weeks for you, it's been a

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few weeks. Two whole weeks before we get to that.

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Speaker 2: Just a couple of quick little plugs.

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to shout out all of our Patreon

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producers here, Aaron Braid, April of Darkness, Jack Grant, MUDs,

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Sam Super Bad, Mike, God Loves Me sixty nine.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Reiner, Legend forgot about you.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but yes, you can check out our Patreon.

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We get tons of ad free early content, retrospectives, and

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news episodes ad free.

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 1: It's a great place to be and if you join

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some of those special tiers then you get to pick

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certain things for us to retro and watch it, which

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is great. We just did Promising young woman. Thank you

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to Mike for that request. What else do we got

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pop on off anything? Side quest going on right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me and.

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Speaker 4: Kirklar had a fun side quest this week, just talking

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about all the games we've been playing lately. This is

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one of those episodes. And then Taylor, you're joining me

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next week for some other good stuff. So yeah, side

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quest popmoll.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to join you because there is some call

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duty updates for Halloween.

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Speaker 5: That I'm excited to talk about.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it sounds good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: Oh in the general uh feeds, we have what do

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we have? We are Beetlejuice Beetlejuice review, and that we

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have joker fully idea that's coming up pretty quickly here.

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Speaker 5: So yeah.

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Speaker 4: We also just did a spicy newscast where we talked

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about Lord of the Rings rumors for like a good

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forty five minutes. I feel like, so for anyone listening

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to this, go check that out. Talk about the I

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was about to say the Rings of Gollum, but that's

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not what that movie.

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Speaker 3: Is called for.

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Speaker 5: You've ever know my rebrand it.

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Speaker 4: Picturing Gollum with multiple rings. Yeah, that sounds terrifying. But no,

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we talked about those rumors that there was some fun

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discussions there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, well Frederd, you let's get into this episode.

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I have like not a spoilers. So who wants to

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take the torch, take the barrier to tower and just

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send it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, handed to Kirkland. Let him guide us through the

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darkness of Cause of Doom with confusion.

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, I think overall, I am more positive this

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week than last week. Last week's episode, I thought it

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was I I thought some of our interactions amongst certain characters.

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of tension amongst parties at play here, So that was

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that was nice to have. I I feel like I

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don't know there now. We're we're over halfway for this

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second season now, and I feel like I keep saying

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this where I'm like, yeah, I know, like I set

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my expectations well and I feel like I'm nice and

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like settled. I won't be disappointed now, but like there's

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still things that happen and it's just like, oh, man,

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like it's just bringing down the overall story for myself,

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at least with some of the decisions that we're making

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to kind of maybe answer questions that don't need answering,

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or maybe showing certain characters weaknesses that I always thought

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they didn't have, but here we are. But for the

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most part, I still think there's some nice juice in

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this episode. Is felt like a more Dwarven episode than most,

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and I really like this, like the showcasing of the

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Dwarves throughout the show. I think even just seeing Causa Doom,

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we've seen it many times already, but just like some

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of the wide shots that they have. It's like, fuck,

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what a great visual representation of this Dwarven kingdom, especially

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in like the height of its power comparing to where

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we see it in the you know, the later with

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our fellowship going through those those ruins, Like it's just

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such a different place. So I do like to see

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more of that. And yeah, for the most part, I

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think this episode was was doing a good job at

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kind of showing the riffs amongst certain people that weren't

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rifted in the past. That's my little, uh spoiler free

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description of that. But yeah, I think it was an

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alright episode, definitely step up from last week in my opinion.

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out here in the next couple of weeks, because what

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it's eight episodes? Yeah, yeah, okay, three more episodes, Okay, yeah, okay.

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I for some reason I thought it was just too more,

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but like to end on seven that doesn't really make sense.

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Speaker 3: So seven rings for the dwarf floors, though, right.

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Speaker 5: We'll lean nine for the for the for the rings

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of men that were getting close to that, But yeah,

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I think I'll kind of leave it there and unravel

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the rest with you guys, we get there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I guess for anyone who maybe forgets or didn't

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listen our precepisodes like this season has not been my

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cup of tea the first half really week. Last week's

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episode was particularly just the bottom of the barrel for me.

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But I happy to report that this episode was a

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complete turnaround. I loved this episode. I thought it was fantastic.

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It's definitely my favorite of the season, and maybe one

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of my favorites in the whole series so far. It's

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been a bit since I've rewatched season one, but this

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this episode is fantastic.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: One of my biggest criticisms of last week's episode is

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it was just not.

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Speaker 3: Spending the time where I want to spend it.

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Speaker 4: We were spend a lot of time with some random

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factions and some of the storylines that I'm not as

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fond of, and we specifically didn't do anything with the

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Dwarves and Kausadoom. We didn't do anything with Erring Guion,

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especially with how much was set up in the previous

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episodes of what is going on there, and so that's

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what was really disappointing. But this episode was like ninety

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percent just those two storylines, and then a little bit

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with Glad drill Nick.

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Speaker 3: A little bit with Newmanor as well.

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Speaker 4: So it's really it was focusing on the things I

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and everything with the dwarves, fantastic stuff. And you know what,

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not a ounce of action in there too. Just really

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good dialogue, really good acting all around. So yeah, I

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freaking loved this episode. It was it was a really

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great turnaround stuff in no minor was you know, it

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was okay we can talk about I think it was

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actually a little bit better than we've had in those

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first four episodes, Like for that location, in those characters.

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Speaker 3: It's still not great, but it was at least better

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than the rest.

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Speaker 4: And maybe that's just because the around the rest of

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the episode was surrounded by really good stuff as well.

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know these with these shows, like sometimes you have different

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writers for different episodes, different people directing each episode, whatever

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it is. I don't know if this episode differs from

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the previous ones, but I feel like whoever was writing

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and directing this episode really just got it right. And

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but it definitely gives me some hope for the rest

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of the season. Hopefully it stays this quality because if

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it does, then overall, I think the season's gonna be

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great for me because if we can get a four

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episode string in the end, there'll that'll really.

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Speaker 3: Do it for me.

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Speaker 4: So We've even got some confirmation this week that Amazon's

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still planning for five seasons of this show, so buckle up,

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there's gonna be a lot more and especially with some

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of the stuff we got here, I'm kind of more

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excited for that. So yeah, hopefully the streak can us

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next week because I just just loved this episode. So Taylor,

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on what you thought about last week's episode quickly.

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Speaker 1: Ye'll make watched it well, I did, I did watch it.

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I'll make it very brief. Like last week's episode, I

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thought it was fun seeing certain characters like you're Tom

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Bombadil or whatnot. But for the most part, I'm not

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fully engaged in the hard Foots or the.

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Speaker 2: What are they the suits stores?

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Speaker 1: Stores?

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Speaker 2: Ye, Stewards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not totally sold on the suits, So we'll see.

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Speaker 2: We'll see.

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Speaker 1: When we kind of touch more base on that storyline

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move in the next few episodes. But I am just

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thinking though that so far it hasn't been the most hottest.

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it's been similar. There's some things that I did like

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in those first three episodes, and I did get me

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pretty hyped. I am liking the Saron stuff, and I

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that Saron take on things. And I feel like, again,

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this episode was freaking awesome. I freaking loved it from

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start to finish. It was planting seeds that was just

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get me just stoked.

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Speaker 2: I just couldn't wait.

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Speaker 1: This felt to me like, Okay, this really does feel

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like Lord of the Rings in this in this episode

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it's great and so I was really driving with it,

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really really enjoying it. Again, not much of a spoiler,

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but just yeah, touching base on like the dwarf story

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lie more and in this episode was really nice because

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I think I'm really really liking that arc the most

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out of all of the character stories so far. Then

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they did a lot of good with this episode, and

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it has just ended on age. The cliffhanger was just huge.

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I'm like, oh, I need the next three episodes, and

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if the next three episodes keep this consistency, then I'd

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be super excited at going into like a third season

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Speaker 2: So I'm just.

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Speaker 1: Really really looking forward and hoping that we don't get

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like the flood introduced in the final episode scenario where

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oh no more season three, like it's canned right when

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we got to the good part, right, So I'm hoping

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that this show doesn't drop the ball because I see

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you guys talking on discord that it's got a lot

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more lower viewership than season one has, so it is concerning,

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but hopefully they keep it going.

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it's in the tanks or anything. I think it's just

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what the first season was, which which makes sense. It's

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not new and shiny anymore. Yeah, that's right, And I

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as overpowering as that first one. I just remember, like

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some new poster of a character and trailers out the ass,

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like just getting so much stuff they even like, you know,

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put it in theaters is like a special thing. So

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I just feel like they went a lot more awards.

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even knowing that. It's like everyone, everyone in my personal

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life that I know watched the first season has not

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started this one yet, And I do you think it's

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just because they didn't even know it was out yet,

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So I think that's yeah, just some of that knowledge

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isn't as out there.

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Speaker 1: Well, they did those posters. You're right about the posters

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of the characters, but they did the posters just at

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their hands, and everyone was like conspiracy theories, like who's

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like hand this is yeah, crazy times, but that's that's

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all I got for.

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Speaker 5: A long time. Since then, I remember, like seeing the

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souron looking one, It's like, there's no chance, there's no

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way you know where we are now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you guys have anything else you want to

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: Then we're going to take our first ad break, which

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we will be right back. And we are back,

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ladies and gentlemen. So oh, where do we start?

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Speaker 3: I know, you know where you want to start in here?

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Speaker 5: I want to go to New Minor.

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Speaker 2: Way.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I actually quite liked what was going on in

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New Minor here. I think my least favorite scene was

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also in Humanor, which is kind of funny, but I

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really like just the growing tension that shown amongst the

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like the people that are basically overthrowing Muriel right and

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supporting our farson as like the new King and then

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like the old Guard that are like loyal to Muriel.

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like actual like the boots on the ground of like

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those soldiers that are now being stripped of their ranks,

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as as well as like just our fire zons men

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just taking over and that that like early early like

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flames of this like big turmoil. It's gonna be happening,

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because I can guarantee it's not gonna end well for

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all of these characters. And what's going on in the

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long run. But I just like at this stage at

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least kind of where people are at, because it still

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seems like they have a lot in common even though

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they are like at each other's throats, because I I

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liked the whole thing with the pellanteer and the conversation

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that Ellen deal has with his daughter and how she's

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basically just like calling it witchcraft and like we shouldn't

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be using these tools, like this is just like the

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Elves witchcraft. And then he's like his perspective on it

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is that they're like sacred objects that like, like this

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is really what allows us to be even living here

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on New Minor. It is like the gifts from the

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Elves and the val Aar, And I like just that

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kind of being showcase there. Although I thought maybe some

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of the dialogue, like Kevin that character, I think he's

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like I think he's like his son, the one that

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killed the Okay, the seal doors buddy. I hate this

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guy so much. I but like I'm supposed to do right.

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He's supposed to be sneevely, and he's like a Game

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of Thrones character for example, like.

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Speaker 4: Tongue, but just like a cringe little kid instead of like.

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Speaker 2: Some creepy guy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. So I was hating him for the most part,

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and now it's like I just hate him the way

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that he's like supposed to be written, which is good,

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Like I'm supposed to hate Hi. It's supposed to be

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like a worm tongue type type ordeal. But I I

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I really just hated the sequence of them, like in

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the actual chapel. I know, I'm kind of jumping around here,

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but I mostly just liked the sequence between our fires

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on and Kevin like the DOWV guy, and then the

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sequenced when Elendial like gives up his sword and they

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kind of have like I don't know, just just just

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those two sequences though, those were like probably my favorite

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nument scenes we've had so far this season, just because

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it's it's starting to show like the super clear divide

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amongst these two, uh just different factions and newmanorians here,

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and this is really gonna be like the building blocks

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on kind of what are fisons like stances going forward,

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and like the people are loyal to him and because

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like they're all about just basically shutting themselves or Disney

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sent them themselves from the elves and like their technologies

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for lack of a better term. So I still found

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like some of the things that he said they felt

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rather hypocritical, because like he still seems like he's speaking

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in like prophetic speeches when he's talking to Kevin. How

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like I had a vision when your mom was basically

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breastfeeding you that you're gonna die, like a horrible death.

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like there's got to be some sort of outside influence

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and maybe that's going to be a showcase when we

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kind of figure out he's aligning with some darker forces.

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So I'm I'm just yeah, I'm intrigued with what's going

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forward with New Minory and stuff, because that was probably

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like the thing I was the most excited for actually

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going into even just season one, like getting to actually

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see Newmanor because we've never seen it before on screen.

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And I'm kind of liking what's happening right now with

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with some of those players. And like for Alendil's daughter,

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I feel like she was such a background character up

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until really this episode actually, so it's kind of nice

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to see her. I'm assuming he's going to be more

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involved for the rest of the show at least for

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the season. So yeah, it's nice to see her actually

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doing something I'm supposed to just being in the background.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, And so we got that shot too.

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Speaker 4: It's like it not it wasn't like the end of

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the episode cliffhanger, but it was a cliffhanger from that

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NEWMANRM section which is arpanzo are fars Are far Zon

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nice far Soward say, where he is up in the

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tower again and he's he's approaching the palantter. We don't

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really see him do anything with it, but he's at

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least up there. So do you guys think that he

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has been communicating with it in private or is it

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like his first time going back there?

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Speaker 3: Like, where do you think is going on there? What's

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the order of events?

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Speaker 5: That's what I was kind of saying. It seems like

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he's kind of hypocritical because it almost seems like he

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has been using it, and if he hasn't, I guarantee

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he's going to be abused in that thing in the

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next next couple uh yeah, couple of views.

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Speaker 4: And it was like it seems like something he would

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want to hide from everyone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I have to imagine.

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Speaker 4: That aari in like a Dlendel's daughter. I don't know

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if the dweeby guy. I don't know if he would

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care about that maybe, but I think she would be.

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I mean, that was the whole reason why she turned

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against Mariel in the first place, right, so I think

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she would be pretty opposed to that.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think I think that will be something that will

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pop up in the future potentially, but probably just shows

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more of his evil inclinations. I still think he's unfortunately

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just a little too generic of like the villain of

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New Minor at the moment, And I mean that's gonna

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change soon because the Orcs are about to attack, it

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seems like, so I'm sure the villain of New Minor

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is gonna be shifted to that angle rather than just him.

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But I think you're right, Like I thought, the drama

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of this sequence was pretty good for the most part.

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I think one of my big issues when we had

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that scene when our Farzar takes takes control essentially of

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the kingdom and everyone's like immediately cheering for him, They're

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immediately against Muriel, and it's like, wow, this seemed like

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so quick and it seems like these people don't have personalities.

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But I think it was really nice to get that

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scene Quins when everyone who is loyal to her is

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having to turn in their armor and their weapons and

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outfits and things like this, and it shows that, oh, yeah,

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these people do have they do have their own thoughts,

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and some of them are still even in that scene,

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they're going against the people and saying we.

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Speaker 3: Stand with you, Captain, what a great job you did.

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Speaker 4: And so there's like already these kind of little factions

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that aren't just one or two key characters that are

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against our fire zone, but it's like, okay, the people

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of Numenor as well. There's this little sub factions within it.

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So I think all that stuff is pretty interesting. It's

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just yeah, maybe not some of the most compelling characters

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are unfortunately in that and like none of our favorite

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characters are in Numenor right now, right, so it's just

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like naturally a little bit harder to connect with it.

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I'm kind of surprised how quickly this Orc thing, Like

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it feels like the next Timmer in Numenor is when

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Orcs are going to be attacking, and I maybe wanted

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a bit more. I don't know, maybe that stuff will

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be interesting, like maybe are Farzon's working with them to

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some extent, but that seems like a stretch from what

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we've seen so far.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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Speaker 4: That could be what we're seeing the pellant here. Maybe

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he's been communicating with them.

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Speaker 5: Did I miss something about them invading Numenor because I

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don't actually remember, Okay, right, and I'm like, I saw

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them coming on some trees, but.

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Speaker 4: The city's from a far look similar, so ignore that

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last part. But yeah, so I guess it will be

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interesting to see what are phones on, who he is

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communicating with them, like who he's working with on the

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outside of anyone yet or maybe that's just like just

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planning the seeds for that to happen soon enough here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, absolutely, Oh I had something, but I lost

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it when we were talking about regaon there. It'll come back,

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I'm sure. What do you think about Numena?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lumenor is just totally screwed.

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Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, I mean, obviously we know that there's

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gonna be a flood, it's gonna be the downfall. But

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seeing the division happening here, I really really like that. Uh,

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it's nice to kind of get it a little bit

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more emphasized, and yeah, this guy, I'm not gonna try

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to pronounce his name. That's he's just he's taken over

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because this eagle showed up randomly and he just took

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full wind of that, which I'm still laughing about.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's also quite humorous.

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Speaker 1: But probably due to the fact that they're being stalked

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that wherever they are like doing a little ceremony, like

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they strut in, They're like, oh, this temple's closed, you know,

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you can't just it's gonna be a new awkward duct.

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Like they just totally crap on on their little ceremony.

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I mean, did they have to go in and do

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that at three o'clock in the morning. Yes, they did,

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because it was a lendial and the boys were all

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there having a little bit of a ceremony for their fallen.

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So yeah, it's interesting that everyone is basically just being shafted.

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That's sold to the Queen because we're going to get them,

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I'm assuming fleeing New Minor and going to Middle Earth

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and they're going to be basically creating the new I mean,

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well they got the New Minor outpost, right that the

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Seal Door's residing in currently.

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Speaker 5: So that's the other thing that's interesting too with New

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Minor is like Newman is actually much than they've shown

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so much so far in the show. And I don't

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think it's just a matter of like they've shrunken Numanor

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in the show. I just think there's other areas of

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Numoner that we haven't really gone to, because technically, I'm

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pretty sure it was said in season one that like

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a Naion, which is a Seal Door's brother, is still

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on Numanor. I think he's like to the west of it.

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And uh, part of me when Ellen Deal has the

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conversation with Muriel about she's asking him what he saw

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in the Pallanteer right and like if it was the

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same thing that he saw, and we get like a

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shot of him on horseback like leaving, and I actually

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like went back and rewatched the sequence because it actually

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I thought it was like on Middle Earth, but it

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actually is Numanor that you see in the background because

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you can see the statue of oh my god, I

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forget his name, an Arian Deal something like that. I'm

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pretty sure it's al Ron's dad, But yeah, you see

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it in the background, like smoking, as if there's like

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fires going on, and that's actually like a pretty interesting

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event that happens in the book if it's what I'm

476
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,200
kind of thinking it is. So I don't really detail

477
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,079
what that is, but he's fleeing the city, and of

478
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,480
course I had to do some dive in basically what

479
00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:20,599
the orientation of what it was. It looks like he's

480
00:22:20,599 --> 00:22:22,839
actually fleeing to the west, so it like going in

481
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,000
the direction of an area on, which gives me super

482
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,319
fucking hyped because oh, I would be so hyped we

483
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,319
get an area on like probably not a lot in

484
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,839
this in the season mostly going forward, but I just

485
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,359
think that would be a really badass like pair up

486
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,119
if if a len deal goes up and just has

487
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,039
another ally and then they can figure what to do

488
00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:46,839
after that point. But yeah, I don't know. I just

489
00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:51,480
thought it was an interesting little conversation between him and Muriel.

490
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,319
And then when I went back and kind of rewatched

491
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,920
the sequence and again like it could just be a

492
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,200
dream sequence that means nothing, but I'm kind of thinking

493
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,759
that actually going to be seen that does happen potentially

494
00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:07,359
even at the end of this season, and then yeah,

495
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,200
they would really set us up for kind of what

496
00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:11,400
New Manor is going to be like in the next season,

497
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,039
if it lasts that long. But I definitely think it will.

498
00:23:16,319 --> 00:23:20,599
Speaker 1: The use of the pedanteer, I think, because you guys

499
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,839
touched base about this new false king using it, I

500
00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:26,759
think is the first time. I think he has not

501
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,279
gotten his fingers worked up on it yet, and so

502
00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:32,279
he pulled that cloth off and no one knows that

503
00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:32,880
he's doing it.

504
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 2: I agree with that too. I think that he's, like

505
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,000
you said, big hypocrite.

506
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: And it's interesting what the Queen was saying because when

507
00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:45,759
she was talking to Ellen deal that they have a

508
00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:48,400
different path for New Minor, but the way she was

509
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,559
talking sounded like, Okay, Numnar has to go through this

510
00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:53,680
destruction right now to kind of come out on top,

511
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,839
which I thought was kind of weird. But she elaborates

512
00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:01,200
too that all she saw was just the ocean taking

513
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,720
back New Manor. So yeah, they're dropping some little cues

514
00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:06,599
in here that I'm trying to understand and trying to

515
00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:08,240
pick up on. But I guess we'll just see time

516
00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:08,759
will tell.

517
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

518
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: Oh and Ellendale's daughter, my god, she thinks she's doing

519
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,359
the right thing, Like when they're like, oh, whose orders

520
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,599
to take their swords away and just pan over to her.

521
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,079
I'm like, oh, I don't like to use the B word,

522
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,720
but you are a B word right now?

523
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: Why would you? And she's like picking favorites.

524
00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: Like I'll talk to the king and maybe we can

525
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,400
spare you, like I'll get out of here. And now

526
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,839
that he's dead, it's gonna just probably it's probably gonna turn.

527
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: Her back to the good side. I imagine.

528
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 5: I imagine she's gonna like figure out that our farson's

529
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,880
doing some pal andery things and she's very against it,

530
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,079
as Dylan already kind of highlighted there, and I think

531
00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:48,200
that'll kind of be her switch over moment, and then

532
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,960
she ends up helping. Maybe that's when we get that

533
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,039
Pallanteer scene where like a Lendeal escapes. Maybe she kind

534
00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:56,000
of helps them get out of there with a horse.

535
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, or the or the other thing could be.

536
00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 4: If or rather when she she reunites with the seal door,

537
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,759
and then that's when she could have a switch yeah, exactly,

538
00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:12,200
And maybe that's like part of her reasoning for this

539
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,599
is like Muriel's a queen, like was not able to

540
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,920
protect him, right, which is part of part of the reason,

541
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:20,319
so maybe when she reconnects with him, but like, I

542
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,039
don't really see when that will happen. Like we haven't

543
00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:27,440
seen from a Seal Door really like that motivation to

544
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,160
go back there right now? Right, Like has that been

545
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,400
his what he's been talking about in this first half

546
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,759
of the season, see him?

547
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 5: Not really, he's just gonna figure out what the funck

548
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,519
happened after that battle, So.

549
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,799
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know if that's something that would happen

550
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,480
this season. So maybe there's like these other things. Maybe

551
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,079
there's more going on there before they reconnect next season,

552
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:47,319
I suppose, or maybe the guys I don't know. And

553
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,039
that's and then the Seal Door has some other journey

554
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:55,400
that he has to go on when he finds that information. Right, Yeah,

555
00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:56,880
this guy's on quite the journeys.

556
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, where do we venture from here? Where's the boat's

557
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:05,920
taking us?

558
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:10,799
Speaker 5: Well, it naturally takes us to Middle Earth, right, naturally

559
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,960
some Middle Earth sequences.

560
00:26:13,559 --> 00:26:15,559
Speaker 4: Let's let's talk about some dwarves a little bit, because

561
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,519
I missed them a lot last week. So I think

562
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:22,640
what I loved so much about this whole sequence, and

563
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,240
there's a lot to it, but I think my favorite

564
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:29,319
part is just seeing seeing someone else being corrupted by

565
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,720
the power of the rings. Like it's just very fun

566
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,359
to see a different angle on that, because I mean,

567
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,079
we've seen it happen many times to many different characters

568
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,160
over the year with the one Ring, but to get

569
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,880
it with this ring, I mean, it's a very similar

570
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,720
sort of situation that's going on, and we're just kind

571
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,160
of in phase one of the process. But I think

572
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,640
they did a good job of it here where in

573
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,720
this one episode is when King during is starting to.

574
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 3: Change a little bit.

575
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 4: Obviously his son is really picking up on, like this

576
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,319
is you're not behaving like you normally would. I feel

577
00:26:57,319 --> 00:26:59,759
like there's really something wrong with these these rings.

578
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,559
Speaker 3: He hasn't gone full evil yet.

579
00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 4: He's really just like super corrupt at this point where

580
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,480
he's just trying to make a bunch of money and

581
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:10,519
risking the lives of or really just the structural integrity

582
00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:13,279
of like their home, which of course in turn could

583
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:15,359
be the lives of all the people here. So I

584
00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:18,359
just really like to see that turn in the character

585
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,319
and just the power that he felt when following the

586
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,440
ring found some light, and just like the look on

587
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,359
his face when that happened, and then just everything that

588
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:28,960
kind of follows through there. So I just thought that

589
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,599
whole sequence was was really fun. From his perspective, you

590
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,039
have to see someone else being corrupt by this ring.

591
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree.

592
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,519
Speaker 1: I think that I was trying to think in retrospect

593
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,039
here because you have the three Alvin rings that were

594
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:46,599
made devoid of Sarn, Soaren was really just kind of

595
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,119
learning and scoping at calibrin Board did that, and then

596
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:54,039
you have these rings which Sarn assisted with but he

597
00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:59,319
necessarily didn't like. I feel like they it was him

598
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,960
planting the little seeds in there because the dwarven rings

599
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,960
like they're just they're making them isolated and greedy and whatnot,

600
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,119
at least their downfall. And some people might speculate, oh, well,

601
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,680
the reason that Sarn gave during this ring was because

602
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,839
then Durham would dig deeper and unleach.

603
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:15,079
Speaker 2: The ball rock.

604
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: But that's not the case because I'm pretty sure Saron

605
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,960
doesn't know that the bower rog is down there. It's

606
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,839
just a complete fluke and the greed is what's gonna Yeah,

607
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,039
So I think that's really interesting and it's just kind

608
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:31,079
of like each stage it's progressively getting worse because you

609
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,160
have the pure rings the elves, then you got the dwarfs,

610
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,720
which got you know, it's a little questionable, and then

611
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,319
you got the rings for men that are just gonna

612
00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:38,119
be totally fucked, and you got the one ring, which

613
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,519
that one ring. I thought for sure he was gonna

614
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:43,000
be single handedly making these rings for the men, and

615
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,960
that's why these rings would be the worst, because they

616
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,279
turned them into the wraiths. But yeah, this is just

617
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:50,799
leading him up to just building his his own little

618
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,799
index finger piece of jewelry.

619
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 5: So yeah, like the reason why the the rings for

620
00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:01,400
the men are just so is because men are just

621
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,559
so easily corrupted compared to the other races of Middle Earth.

622
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:07,920
That's it's kind of what But like, yeahs he still

623
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,000
kind of has I'm pretty sure the exact same level

624
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:14,160
of corruption I guess that he did to the dwarfing

625
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,920
rings and the rings of men there. But yeah, I

626
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:20,319
was kind of torn in the sequence because on initially

627
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,359
I was just like I kind of like I kind

628
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:27,119
of like the certain traits that the one ring has

629
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,240
on the one ring, and like just it being the

630
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,640
one ring that has these traits kind of like I

631
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,079
forget her name, but Kellibrinboor's assistant that kind of goes invisible,

632
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,440
like she goes to the unseen realm and she's kind

633
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,799
of freaking out, and then she's like swinging a hammer around.

634
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:43,599
That's when they get her take off the ring. Like

635
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,960
just things like that. It's just like, I kind of

636
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,480
wish it was just like the one ring that had

637
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,559
these traits, but it's still kind of fun in these

638
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:54,319
sequences to show that. And I think now, in like

639
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,559
now that I've stewed on it for a couple hours

640
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,759
watch the episode a little while ago now, but I

641
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:03,039
think I'm totally fine with the whole corruption side of

642
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:06,960
the rings being showcased in this show, and and kind

643
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,519
of across all the rings. I don't really want it

644
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:13,200
to happen to the elves because as we've already kind

645
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,519
of talked about, like Sarahon didn't actually have anything to

646
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:20,440
do with those rings. But I I don't mind, like Duran,

647
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:24,279
for example, to to start just really being obsessive over

648
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:27,400
this because I as as far as I know, Doors

649
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,160
can be very stubborn and I feel like he just

650
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,839
found this like cheat code. He's like, holy fuck, we're

651
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:35,240
gonna be abusing this we're gonna be like like he's

652
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,720
he's even like it seems like he's he's boosted like

653
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:43,039
the overall morale of Kaza Doom right like like trade

654
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:45,720
is starting to pop off now and he's he's taken

655
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:49,519
some ring tax or what the hell he's calling it tribute? Yeah,

656
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:54,480
So I I do like how he's he's like invigorated

657
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:57,480
because of this ring, and I like that that's kind

658
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,160
of being shown there and obviously the some nefarious things

659
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,960
that have yet to really be shown from them, but

660
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:07,960
you know, things like during the fourth are starting to

661
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:11,400
kind of be suspect about, and I don't know, I

662
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,720
think for the most part, like in hindsight, I do

663
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,240
like the ring showcase in this episode, specifically with Duran

664
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:20,759
and how he's able to kind of use it as

665
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,640
his power. I like how the what are they called

666
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,119
stone singers like Deza, Yeah, so like I like how

667
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:30,200
it's almost like they're old tech now by this point, right,

668
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:32,960
like like yeah, they don't really and then that's why

669
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,279
they're kind of upset when when he was showing off

670
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:38,960
the rings and she's still pretty suss about them. I

671
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:43,079
kind of laughed at the sequence when Desa like is

672
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:45,359
waiting for Durran to come back with with some news,

673
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,960
and he comes back where in like the fucking the

674
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,640
prince necklace thing, and she's just like shaking her head.

675
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,279
She's just so disappointed. It's like I tried, man, I tried,

676
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:55,519
got a promotion out of it. It's kind of funny,

677
00:31:55,519 --> 00:32:00,680
but yeah, no, I really liked just where like what

678
00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:03,200
Duran's mindset is right now, and by during, I mean

679
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:05,759
like the older one during the third and he's just

680
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,559
pomped and he's he's sending the other dwarf lords out

681
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:11,039
to get their lords and sharing in the glory of

682
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:15,079
these rings so well for a price of course half theirs.

683
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,759
Speaker 4: That's where I think, yeah, we're setting up for something

684
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:24,480
really interesting down the road where at first, okay, the

685
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,960
other communities they're gonna see like the power that he

686
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:28,759
has and they're gonna want to work.

687
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: With him and make this deal.

688
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:32,519
Speaker 4: But then as they they get their own rings and

689
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:35,039
then they start to feel this corruption too, they're not

690
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:36,759
gonna want to they're not gonna be cool with that

691
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,319
deal anymore. So they're gonna go in their own ways

692
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:41,799
to reverse the deal, or be greedy of their own

693
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,519
or lie about what their spoils are, because that's their

694
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,720
deals that half of the all of their spoils have

695
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:51,559
to go to Duran's Dwarbin faction, I suppose. But yeah,

696
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:53,680
over time, maybe they'll just start lying about what that

697
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,400
is or and that's where you know we could be

698
00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:59,440
digging too deep into too greedily, right, is because they're

699
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,240
just trying to what they're actually doing down there, uh,

700
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,920
and that that seems like really fun, And I think

701
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,400
maybe the downside of that potentially is like we don't

702
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,119
really know those characters yet, Like maybe we've seen some

703
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,440
of those kings before, but like I don't really know

704
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,799
them that well as characters yet. So if we spend

705
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:18,359
a lot of time with spit like fighting between those factions,

706
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:19,839
like I want to get introduced to them more and

707
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:21,799
actually be invested in them for that to have impact.

708
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:23,880
So I don't know if that's like a multi season

709
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:25,759
arc is what we got going on there, if that's

710
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:27,680
not really going to be a highlight and it's more

711
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,079
just focusing on like King Duran's side, but I think

712
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:31,559
there is a lot of potential there for some really

713
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:35,839
interesting turmoil, not just with within Duran's kingdom, but like

714
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,559
all the other ones as well, and yeah, even like

715
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,680
man throwing that like making everything twice as expensive in

716
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,240
one day essentially as this ring tribute that's brutal. That is,

717
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:48,039
that is very very brutal to the people of this place.

718
00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:50,559
So farther don't seem to be bothered by because obviously

719
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:51,880
they just have to have the light back and that

720
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,480
does so much for them, you know, So I will

721
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,559
see how that all works out. But yeah, I really

722
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,640
really enjoyed that stuff. And then the other angle too

723
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:03,119
with the king when he was talking to his delve master,

724
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,799
which I really like that title. I think I would

725
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:06,880
love to be a delve master.

726
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: That's great.

727
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 4: It's just like a mining bought manager essentially, but it

728
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,760
said in like the coolest fantasy way. But yeah, that

729
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,480
sequence when he's talking to him, He's liked, where's my ring?

730
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,079
He's like, dude, it's literally right there on the table.

731
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,000
He's just he he took it off because it was

732
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:22,920
too heavy, he said. But like, obviously he's already getting

733
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,760
like a little bit forgetful and just extremely anxious when

734
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,599
he doesn't have the ring next to him or on

735
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,320
him directly.

736
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: And we've seen that with other people before with other

737
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:32,440
people in.

738
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,679
Speaker 4: The other Little The Rings movies. So I really liked

739
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,760
that scene. I thought that that was a pretty fun

740
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,360
section as.

741
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,039
Speaker 5: Well, like like that specifically was one where I'm like,

742
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,480
this is just too close to to Bilbo's ring, you

743
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,280
know when he's when he's like instantly dropping it and yeah,

744
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,199
and like you know, like I can be that guy

745
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,880
that's nitpicky with all these things. But I now, as

746
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,519
I've already said, now that I'm just kind of stewing

747
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:56,639
on it. It's like, Okay, this is working, I guess

748
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,800
for this story, so I'll let it pass. But yeah,

749
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,960
and even the line when uh it seemed like it

750
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:06,000
was a nudge, nudge, wink wink, like oh yeah, we

751
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:08,039
gotta go deeper. And then it's like don't be greedy

752
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:10,400
and they're saying like all the keywords of like we

753
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,400
dug too deep, too greedily on the show. Yeah that's

754
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:17,920
what it is, Yeah, exactly, going in circles.

755
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: I loved everything about this is the Door in arc here.

756
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:22,679
Speaker 2: I thought it was great.

757
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: I thought that when he started popping off with that ring,

758
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,159
it was going kind of senile and forgetful.

759
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: I thought it was wonderful.

760
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:32,119
Speaker 1: I'm happy that it's not full on invisibility and he

761
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:35,480
goes to the realm of the unseen and or turn

762
00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:37,400
into a ring raith I don't need during the therapy

763
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,039
and that, but it's definitely'd be.

764
00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:45,199
Speaker 5: Scary dwarf with the cloak down and in hobbitant, that'd

765
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:45,800
be terrifying.

766
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, wants his precious gems. Uh he is.

767
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: Uh, he's making a turn here, and I feel like

768
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,440
it really cut me off guard when he's playing the

769
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,679
emotional card towards during the fourth or Prince during and

770
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,039
trying of like obviously reordain him as prince. But it

771
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:04,719
just caught me off guard how he was being very

772
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,960
sincere in this moment, and I felt like he felt

773
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,800
that he was threatened because of what Prince Darain was saying,

774
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,559
and he didn't want that power to be stripped away.

775
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:14,480
Just wanted to keep things going as they're going. But

776
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,599
the little things where he's just squashing the idea of yeah,

777
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,559
I put in those restricted digging depth laws, well their

778
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:23,519
acts now we're going to go deeper and everything with

779
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:26,119
Duran's bane. Then that thing just that freaked me out.

780
00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:28,679
I wasn't sure if we were going to get there

781
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:32,320
in this episode. But when Lisa was kind of following

782
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,199
the little gem thing that she dropped, which I thought

783
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,800
was a little too comedic personally, but it is what

784
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,719
it is, it took her to where the Bowrog was,

785
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,519
I guess, and so.

786
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:44,119
Speaker 2: There we are. But yeah, that caught me. Caught me

787
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:44,679
by surprise.

788
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: I was really really stoked on that because this thing's

789
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,960
just raring, because she's singing and it's raring back and

790
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,159
that's just crazy crazy. So the fact that Duran is

791
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:54,920
ignoring this, that's a big sign.

792
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,639
Speaker 2: But I can't wait. I feel like.

793
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:01,519
Speaker 1: We might see the downfall to Doom this season, but

794
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,519
I feel like at the same time, they'd probably.

795
00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: Save something like that.

796
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: I feel like we'll get a riggy on kind of

797
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,239
going through the mill in the last three episodes, and

798
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,960
then they'll probably save maybe even like the first half

799
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:16,159
or like mid season. Season three will get like Casa

800
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:19,639
Dooms just getting destroyed, and I want them to go

801
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,039
all out. I want to see the bow Rog walking

802
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,000
through these caverns. I want to see the door of

803
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,199
an armies lying up, going to town on this thing

804
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,079
without a Gandalf and just fucking chaos, Like I cannot

805
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:30,800
wait to see that.

806
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: I think got to blow their whole budget on this.

807
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think that's happening this season. I think,

808
00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:39,320
especially if they're really trying to make it five seasons,

809
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,800
maybe at the end of next season, but like realistically,

810
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,760
maybe the fourth. I don't know. I just feel like

811
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,440
it's like, what else are you gonna do with the

812
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:49,960
wharves after that? Right? Like do we just go elsewhere

813
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,880
with the door?

814
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: Go towear arabor a little Only Mountain.

815
00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 5: I haven't seen that movie, but I know you're talking

816
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:04,239
about what you're talking about. Yeah, I don't know. I mean,

817
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:06,159
we're gonna get that at some point in the show,

818
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:09,199
as long as it doesn't get canceled. So regardless when

819
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:12,679
it does come, I'm I'm hoping it'll be nice and tense.

820
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,559
But specifically one shot I wanted to shout out and

821
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:17,199
I was kind of mention this in this spoiler of fresection,

822
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,320
but I think it's when they are like starting to

823
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,000
get like the light back open again, and there's just

824
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,440
like a wide shot of a dwarf like walking down

825
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,440
the steps of Cause of Doom and you just see

826
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,280
like all these flames, like lighting the path and it's

827
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,760
just like, fuck, this looks so beautiful. And then later

828
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,800
on we get another shot of like miners just mining

829
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,599
mythril and you see like all of their scaffolding like

830
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:42,199
along the side of the wall and it's just like

831
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,360
a big, like massive vein of mithral that they're mining.

832
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,880
It's just, man, I love just seeing this right here,

833
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,679
because you know, no matter what, if if the writing

834
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:53,960
of the show is terrible and I hate it, I'm

835
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,760
still gonna be rewatching the show just because it's so

836
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,440
fucking visually beautiful, Like it just looks so great that way.

837
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:01,599
The way that they're able to showcase the vastness of

838
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:03,320
what Cause of Doom is because you get a little

839
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,719
bit of that in Fellowship of the Ring for sure,

840
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,840
but like to actually see it now in its heights

841
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,920
and it just seems like a massive city, and then

842
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,079
you can just still go like deeper and deeper and

843
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,880
deeper and deeper and deeper, and you know, until you

844
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,639
hit the darkness where the shadow lies. So yeah, I

845
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:24,519
really just love seeing Cause of Doom here. I loved

846
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:26,599
in the season one, I'm loving it again here. And

847
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,519
you know, I didn't mind her chasing that little ball there.

848
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:32,400
For a second, I thought it was like another pellanteer

849
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,320
stone or something. I'm like, what the fuck, They're just

850
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,119
popping in from my daughter. I'm like, Oh, no, it's

851
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:41,440
gonna be talking to our fires on or something. Though

852
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:43,960
I'm glad it wasn't, but I didn't mind that. The

853
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:48,119
humor in that moment. There's just a certain whimsicalness. I

854
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:50,800
think that like the Dwarves have to them. It's kind

855
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,280
of similar how like the Haarfoots or the Hobbits kind

856
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,719
of have. And I think Deza also just remains like

857
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,519
one of my favorite characters in the show, Like she

858
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:02,679
is just so fantastic line delivery, like the actress is phenomenal.

859
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,360
But I also just like her as a character, especially

860
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,719
for our for me at least, like my first female

861
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,440
Dwarf that we experienced and Tolkien's mythos, I think she's fantastic.

862
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

863
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 4: What do you guys think is gonna be the future

864
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,079
of I'm just gonna call him Young Duran for now

865
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:22,679
where he's now print, I guess he's now Prince Duran.

866
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:26,880
Like I don't really see him ever getting corrupted by anything,

867
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,840
because I don't think he'll be given a ring right

868
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:31,079
like this will be given to the other factions. Like

869
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:33,280
I guess he would in theory inherit that one from

870
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,519
his dad, but I don't think we'll get to that

871
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,599
anytime soon. And I feel like he's gonna be just

872
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:42,360
always kind of our source for I don't know, a

873
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,920
positive future of the Dwarves. He's gonna be on like

874
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,599
the anti corruption side with Disa as well, always supporting

875
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:51,239
him and like probably catching on, like if something is

876
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,519
starting to change in him, maybe if he doesn't wear

877
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:55,360
the ring, but he's just around his dad a lot

878
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,679
when they're working in these minds, and then if it

879
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,400
somehow wears off on him or affects him in some way,

880
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,880
I feel like she'd be able to reel him back

881
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,960
in potentially. So I think he'll continue to be good,

882
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,480
but I don't know the way he kind of we

883
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:10,639
got the scene he gets promoted, and then it kind

884
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:12,480
of like cuts and then we just see him talking

885
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,719
to Deza afterwards, So like, I wonder if there was

886
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,920
more conversation there or if you just accepted it, or

887
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,000
if he tried to push back. I don't know what

888
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:21,119
his game plan is in terms of like, man, I

889
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:23,039
really got to convince my dad, but I also got

890
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:26,000
the promotion, which I like the promotion, so I'll take it.

891
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:30,679
Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, I agree with you. I don't think

892
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,079
he's gonna like even if older Durrean dies and he

893
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:36,800
takes like the reins to the Kingdom, I don't think

894
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,719
it'll be like a father son type dynamic, where like

895
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,920
he just becomes like his father. I definitely think the

896
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,559
fact that he has Deza as like that anchor to

897
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:49,679
kind of keep him, you know, on the right path,

898
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,679
I think that'll be the big difference amongst those two characters.

899
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,239
I I don't know. I definitely think we're gonna see

900
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,559
old Duran kick the buts or more or less, but

901
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:03,599
I right now, I'm just I'm not too sure if

902
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:06,199
it's going to be during the actual events of the

903
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,239
fall of Cause of Doom, or if it's going to

904
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,880
be something else that happens and then we have young

905
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,800
Durn kind of running the show right before the Kingdom

906
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,360
goes down. But I don't know. I I think if

907
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,599
that is the case, it's going to be like old

908
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:22,239
Durn dies during the event, and then I guess now

909
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,039
young Duran is kind of the one running the show.

910
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:28,679
But also Kusa Doom's like going down, so not much

911
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,880
of a cast. Yeah, not much of a castle to

912
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,039
be uh running running with there. So yeah, I'm but

913
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:37,480
I'm like, I'm not too confident on that. I I

914
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,519
think my my if my safest bets are that young

915
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:44,639
durn are gonna is gonna stay good and then old

916
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:46,880
Durn's gonna kick the bucket, those would be like the

917
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,639
things I'm the most confident on, but I'm not too

918
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:51,480
sure when or where that's gonna happen.

919
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,079
Speaker 2: Not that this is so much of a spoiler.

920
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know that, but you're talking about like just

921
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,239
the genealogy, and I didn't realize that Ghimli is related

922
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,760
to the Duran.

923
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:03,519
Speaker 4: Uh.

924
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:07,079
Speaker 1: He's not in line for the member of the royal family,

925
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:11,119
but he is a descendant. But I mostly I was

926
00:43:11,159 --> 00:43:13,599
just thinking, like, okay, well Thorn Oakenshield. And if I remember,

927
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,480
this is where the Hobbit kind of tracks in it,

928
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:17,800
because they had to leave Casa Doom and then they

929
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,719
formed arabor and then arab Bori has attacked by smog,

930
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,239
so then those Duran's folk go back to retake Moria

931
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,360
get completely fucked up and have to just scatter around.

932
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: And that's where Thorin is.

933
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: M hmm.

934
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 5: It's interesting Thorin's father was the last Dwarf that had

935
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,559
like a ring of power. He was like the last

936
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:41,440
like standing guy on there. But yeah, I I don't

937
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,960
know what I was gonna add on top of that,

938
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,679
but thanks for that da that.

939
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 3: Lore piece.

940
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh that's what I was gonna say. The interesting

941
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:53,880
thing with like Duran is like technically the title of

942
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,519
Duran is like like technically should only be like one

943
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,960
Duran alive at a time, and then like once old

944
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:03,960
Duran ceases, than like new Darwin is like he's Duran

945
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:06,400
at that point. So that's why like the whole point

946
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,519
of like Duran's door and like Duran's folk, it's like

947
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,679
it's like a title more or less, but like it

948
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:13,079
is their.

949
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:15,519
Speaker 3: Name, family name, even though it's a first name, I guess.

950
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:19,159
Speaker 5: But like that's the strange thing, Like, uh, they made

951
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,480
the decision going into the show that that just doesn't

952
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:24,079
matter really, Like it's just there's gonna be multiple Durance

953
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:25,960
and and that's just what we're gonna be running with.

954
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,519
Speaker 4: How would that how is that supposed to work then

955
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:32,119
where your offspring has like name when you die, they

956
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:32,880
become Duran.

957
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,599
Speaker 5: Maybe they don't have a name until Durwan dies, or

958
00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:36,320
like it's.

959
00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:38,079
Speaker 4: Like when you're on your deathbed, is when you're supposed

960
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:41,280
to impregnate the prince, you're.

961
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 5: Duran and waiting at that point. No, that's a good point.

962
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,760
I wasn't too sure.

963
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 3: Or it could be magic.

964
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:50,119
Speaker 5: It could be magic, it could be do with the Rings.

965
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: Who knows any other Kazadumian thoughts.

966
00:44:56,199 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: I love the the door again this show not like

967
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:02,119
I feel like this show is setting us up for

968
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:03,320
Lord of the Rings.

969
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 2: But it's not.

970
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: Of course, it's its own timeline. But man, seeing that door,

971
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,159
it's like, oh, all friends here, Like, man, these this

972
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,920
is probably sticking to the books. So the source material

973
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:17,400
is being represented here quite well, which again is just

974
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,119
to me sets up that this is a prequel for

975
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:22,639
the actual The Rings when it's not. They're just following

976
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,639
the source material, but just looking at the design hearing

977
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:28,840
them talk about it, it's like, man, this is it's

978
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,679
source material, but it still it feels like it's the

979
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:31,199
same thing.

980
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 5: That drawing of the door, like it was hand drawn

981
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:39,320
by Tolkien himself. Like like that actually is his design

982
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,880
for it, which is really cool to see it here.

983
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,239
I thought it was a major lost opportunity that they

984
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,159
didn't have it light up because it's supposed to be

985
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:48,440
invisible until moonlight hits it, even though we can just

986
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,199
see like the crevices in the rock like right there,

987
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,599
and they didn't and they didn't actually have the moon

988
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,960
like light it up to like showcase that even though

989
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,880
earlier on actually I think it was last week's episode,

990
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,199
Kellen Brimbor is like showing is like Apprentice, like look

991
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,000
at this, and then they go outside and it lights up.

992
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:07,960
So a bit of a bit of a lost potential,

993
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,760
I guess, but like it's supposed to be hidden, right

994
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,960
like when Gandalf comes across it, it's it's not there

995
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:17,239
until it lights up. I don't think unless I'm really

996
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,079
mis remembering that, But no, I think you're I don't

997
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:24,480
even know crevices now. I feel like in my mind

998
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:28,800
like that the design is there. Yeah, but maybe maybe

999
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,159
I'm misremembering. I'm not sure the amount of times we've

1000
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:35,480
all seen those movies. It's funny, I I it is.

1001
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:37,719
It is one of those things like that you know

1002
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,920
in the way that they repeat some lines from Lord

1003
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:40,559
of the Rings movies.

1004
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 4: That does feel a little nostalgia baby, but it worked

1005
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,159
for me. Like I'm like, Okay, that was cool. I

1006
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,519
like that, but I am very surprised that, like, oh,

1007
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:51,199
that door is built in orangeon and then like shipped

1008
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:55,199
to I was thinking that too, like a pre built door,

1009
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,480
Like yeah, I was. I always assumed it was, you know,

1010
00:46:57,599 --> 00:46:59,559
built from the stone. Maybe it is built from the

1011
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:02,920
same stone. So they took the stone, transport it, build

1012
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,159
like you know, shape it, and then put the magic

1013
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,280
and then strip it back.

1014
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 3: It seems like a little.

1015
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 4: Complicated, but you know, more complicated things happened.

1016
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: I suppose it's.

1017
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 5: Like how do the hinges work? You know, Like now

1018
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,599
I'm overthinking it at this point.

1019
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 4: I mean like even in the first season we talked

1020
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,360
about how like I don't know how far Ringian from

1021
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,880
Kase of Doom is, but like el Ron was going

1022
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,400
back and forth and what felt like it's actually really close,

1023
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:29,000
So maybe so it's not so unrealistic. Then if you

1024
00:47:29,039 --> 00:47:31,480
know Newman or was like making a door for like

1025
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:33,719
the Shire or something that would be a bit crazy.

1026
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 5: But yeah, because I think it was after last week

1027
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:38,599
or maybe the week prior, because we're talking about that,

1028
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,079
just like how fast it was, so I had to

1029
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:42,760
do some dig in there. It's actually really quite close.

1030
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,079
Speaker 3: So in this episode far Lin Lin Dawn is from

1031
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:46,559
a ring.

1032
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:52,039
Speaker 5: On I did not actually very curious. I'm pretty sure

1033
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:55,199
that one's pretty close too, but not as close as I.

1034
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 4: Feel like it should be very far apart based on

1035
00:47:57,079 --> 00:47:58,960
like well one their eleven things, so you think they'd

1036
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,039
be close, but then based on plot in this show,

1037
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:03,159
you would think that they are on the opposite side

1038
00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:03,639
of the earth.

1039
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:10,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I'm not too sure. I'll look into it

1040
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:10,599
as we're going.

1041
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 1: Oh, looks like you can kind of sort of see

1042
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,679
carvings already in the wall.

1043
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,679
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, a little bit.

1044
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: And then the light the light starts shining and like

1045
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:20,159
makes it blow.

1046
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,199
Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, yeah, there we are.

1047
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 4: But when you look at that, it does not look

1048
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,480
like the door was installed, you know, very.

1049
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 2: Much part of the mountain and like rock.

1050
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: You know, it's not like a tree.

1051
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 4: It's like not like it would grow over way like

1052
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:38,920
maybe over millions of years, but I don't know how long.

1053
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,079
How long has is it then, from like this era

1054
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,920
to like Lord of the rings two.

1055
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 5: Thousands, right, thousands of years.

1056
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:47,679
Speaker 3: Maybe some rocks could be you.

1057
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 4: Know, crumbling together. Maybe they just round out the differences,

1058
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,239
put some put some filler in there.

1059
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,679
Speaker 5: I guess that's very true. You know, erosion, get all

1060
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,880
some rain drops, just erosion, you know, shuts out to erosion.

1061
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: The I guess that kind of adds to the fact

1062
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,519
that we won't see the Bourock for quite some time obviously,

1063
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:09,320
because they got to go and install the store and

1064
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,039
that's gonna take It's gonna take a few months, I imagine.

1065
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, it could be.

1066
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,039
Speaker 5: So yeah, it looks like Linden's quite quite a way.

1067
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:22,800
It's away from from Better Be and Maria and stuff.

1068
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 3: Like that, just the plot of this show it Better Be.

1069
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:29,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like it looks like it's pretty much like coastal

1070
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,639
with like like really far away, whereas of course misty

1071
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:35,880
mountains like Cause of Doom, that's more central. If you

1072
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:36,400
remember a.

1073
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: Millery that yeah, okay, I can kind of picture it now,

1074
00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:46,159
yeah I will, right, like in the Mirkwood territory.

1075
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,559
Speaker 1: Would it be Linden with different Alvin Kingdom?

1076
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:53,559
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, like that whole like much bigger than just

1077
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:59,079
Rivendale Mirkwood I don't think Rivendell's in Mirkwood.

1078
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 2: No, it's not.

1079
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 3: I thought was like a huge area.

1080
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,559
Speaker 4: But you know, my knowledge of the Middle Earth map

1081
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:08,119
is based off of Lord of the Rings Risk, which

1082
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:11,239
is gamifying the map, so I'm sure it's not so accurate.

1083
00:50:11,679 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 5: So picture the Misty Mountains they like run central down

1084
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:16,800
a map. Let's just see for arguments, Like, just picture this,

1085
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,039
Rivendell would be on like the left side north of

1086
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:25,000
kind of where what is it a region might be

1087
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,280
closer to Causa Doom. And then on the right side

1088
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,519
of the Misty Mountains, that's where you get like mark Wood,

1089
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:33,280
like a big and that would be where like like

1090
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:38,079
Legoss is right, that's where the necromance.

1091
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 3: Go through there.

1092
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:44,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, gotcha, it's all making sense now.

1093
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 5: Yeah. Middle Earth geography, geography, Man, it's interesting.

1094
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,519
Speaker 1: Before we continue on that Middle Earth geography, le's jump

1095
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:52,280
to a quick at break and we'll be right back.

1096
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,000
And we're back. I had a note that I wanted

1097
00:50:57,039 --> 00:51:00,519
to mention here you guys are talking about Look Haitians

1098
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:03,519
in Linden. Oh my goodness, gracious.

1099
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 4: Ringeon has a doom Mirkwood legless.

1100
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't send.

1101
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: The door the doorway again, was it not the glowing door?

1102
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: No?

1103
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 2: No, from the door talking about something?

1104
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,039
Speaker 1: Ah and I can't for the life oh yes, okay,

1105
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:27,960
I remember, Thank you guys. We helped help him an

1106
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:29,599
uh fast travel.

1107
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 2: It was just a thing here.

1108
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: So he like one scene where he throws his cape

1109
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,960
off and he's running, and I thought he was running

1110
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,239
to Uhrigon and he was gonna he got there, but

1111
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,840
he just appeared back at Lindon for some random reason,

1112
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,280
just to say, like, oh glad, you was right when

1113
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,559
he send the armies to I thought he would have

1114
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:50,320
done more damage of this team by going to Arion,

1115
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,760
but he just retreated.

1116
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 5: So then we meet the fucking most useless character in

1117
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,440
this show so far, the hi King of the fucking

1118
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:03,119
old Door, Bill Gallon of Oh my god, dude, I

1119
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:04,880
was so upset when we're in Linden because I'm like,

1120
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,039
we're gonna get more dialogue with Gil Galad. I hate this.

1121
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,360
I hate where is then everything he's said. I'm just like,

1122
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,840
this guy's such a fucking airhead, Like he's the worst

1123
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,480
elf and he's supposed to be the high king of them. Yeah.

1124
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:18,760
I was not a fan of that sequence, but I

1125
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,840
didn't really mind the fast travel miss of it. I

1126
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:27,519
figured if l Ron and Crewe were like retreating from

1127
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:29,719
where they were, I imagine they would have went the

1128
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,440
way they came. But I agree with you, Taylor, I

1129
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,000
think they would have been more effective, you know, for

1130
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:37,360
the forces of good if they actually just went to

1131
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,719
a ragion, because then you have him actually see anatar.

1132
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:48,159
But I'm I'm still not too sure if like, when

1133
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,920
are characters that know what hell Brand looks like if

1134
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,639
they see anatar, if they're gonna be like, holy fuck,

1135
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:54,480
it's the exact same guy, or if they're just gonna

1136
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:57,559
like write it as if it's a different character even

1137
00:52:57,559 --> 00:52:59,480
though it's the same actor. Like I'm curious how that

1138
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:02,079
interactions going to go. But it's like your eyes are

1139
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:05,840
so familiar, I wonder what the what you remind me of,

1140
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,760
Like I'm curious if it's going to be that or

1141
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,800
right away they're just like it's all Brad, it's all.

1142
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,559
Speaker 3: I feel like they should be able to recognize him.

1143
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 5: I think so got pointy years now, he's got a cloak,

1144
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:17,679
you know, he's lode hair.

1145
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: Super charismatic, though I'd say in this episode, still like.

1146
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,119
Speaker 5: Just all the cards, making that chick get all freaking

1147
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,199
loose with her Gladual, you look like glad Real that

1148
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,800
your light hits your hair.

1149
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I did not know. I thought l's

1150
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,199
are not supposed to be, Like I don't want to

1151
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,119
say I don't want to say easy, because that's very inappropriate,

1152
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:42,480
I feel like, but she was just like like take

1153
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:46,480
me now, anatar, Like I just felt like she was

1154
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:49,639
just totally all there, especially because she got complimented for

1155
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:53,480
looking like another woman that he finds that other lady.

1156
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 5: Someone says, I look like lady Gladial. I'll be yeah, no.

1157
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 2: Ordinary l right there.

1158
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 5: Yeah. I I didn't mind this.

1159
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:02,599
Speaker 1: Uh.

1160
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 5: I think like the execution of it wasn't the best,

1161
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,719
but I do like seeing just Saaraon's charisma and like

1162
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,559
like how he's able to just win people over because

1163
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:15,679
of his silver tongued words. So I don't mind that.

1164
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,000
I I just think like the execution was a little messing,

1165
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:19,800
Like it almost look like a high school rom com

1166
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,280
or like rom drum like sequence of like just the

1167
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,320
way you're light the light, and like it just seemed

1168
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,840
out of nowhere too, like they're talking about what were.

1169
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,039
Speaker 4: You talking about that scene they're talking about calibrimboorg because

1170
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:35,559
he was saying, like, right, calib is not himself, so

1171
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:37,719
he was trying to he was planting, he was incepting

1172
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,239
her with that idea and then throws in a little

1173
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:41,840
flirting on the on the side.

1174
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think there, I think there's cleaner ways

1175
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,159
to have that dialogue sequence. But for what was happening

1176
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,039
and what was showcasing of just his power of influence

1177
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:55,000
over people like I, I think I was able to

1178
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,599
get more of it that way. But yeah, I kind

1179
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,360
of chuckled. I'm just like, man, I do like how

1180
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,960
they're keeping Glagial just like the gold standard of beauty

1181
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:04,320
this world.

1182
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

1183
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 4: I think where I really enjoyed this whole sequence is

1184
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,920
I had some big issues in those earlier episodes when

1185
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:18,320
Anatar was just able to seemingly get his way with

1186
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:21,599
no actual charisma or like good dialogue, Like he just

1187
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,480
would wave his hand and people would do exactly what

1188
00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:27,559
he said. And there was a couple instances of caln

1189
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:29,159
remember when he was really playing to his ego. We

1190
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:31,519
talked about that, of course in the episodes, but I

1191
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:33,800
felt like this episode did a way better job of

1192
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,559
showing that these characters actually do have free will and

1193
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:40,679
they aren't just being mind controlled. So there actually is

1194
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,199
like a little bit of opposition people could be against him,

1195
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,639
And to me it showed like through really well written

1196
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:49,079
dialogue and good acting in that that he is he

1197
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,559
is that guy. He can he can mess with people's minds,

1198
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:53,119
and not in just like a magic way, there is

1199
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:56,199
some magic there, but through just like words and playing

1200
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,840
to their insecurities or their dreams. Like I don't know,

1201
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,880
he spent a lot of time with this lady. Maybe

1202
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,639
she's talked about how she looks up to the Ladrille

1203
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:07,840
a lot, and that's why he thought that that compliment

1204
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,280
would be even more affected than it would otherwise. And

1205
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,440
I think it was really smart the way that he

1206
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:16,239
kind of positioned the conversation of okay, plant that seed

1207
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,119
not trust Calibrin Bore because he wants to have all

1208
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:21,239
control he wants her to be. He wants to sow

1209
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,679
chaos within these people, but not make it too over

1210
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:25,519
the top. So he throws that line in there, like

1211
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:28,679
Caliber Moore cannot be trusted after doing all this work,

1212
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,519
he's weakened that kind of thing. But then he converts

1213
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:35,719
into the flirting a little bit almost he's like distracted,

1214
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:38,280
like he can't even finish his thought because she's just

1215
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,199
so beautiful that it's like taking over him. And so

1216
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,159
in that moment, what she's left with is okay, thinking

1217
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:46,360
about this Calibrin Bore thought, and he's not like pushing it,

1218
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,239
like do you believe me? Do you think Calibrin Boor

1219
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,800
is evil? And really like almost overdoing it instead of

1220
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,800
just like shifting to something else and making her just

1221
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,320
like fawn over him, really love him. And now that

1222
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,719
thought is in this very positive place, this very positive

1223
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,840
conversation she had is also this thought of like I

1224
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,239
can't really trust calb Brimbore. So I just thought it

1225
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,119
was like really really expertly done. It was really really

1226
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:10,480
cool detail to see, even though she's kind of been

1227
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:12,239
just like a random side character because she's been in

1228
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:13,599
a couple of these other episodes, but she got a

1229
00:57:13,639 --> 00:57:15,639
lot more screen time in this one, and I think

1230
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:17,039
it's interesting. I think it's good that we get to

1231
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:19,440
see it's not just calim Brimbore making these rings. It's

1232
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,760
Cali Brimore and anatar end this like fifteen to twenty

1233
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,199
other elves who are working on this forge as well,

1234
00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:27,079
So I think it was good, a good angle to

1235
00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:29,360
get a little bit more detail about they're kind of

1236
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,360
just picking one character here.

1237
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: You can't.

1238
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,239
Speaker 4: We can't spend screen time with all twenties characters. They

1239
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:35,159
can't all have a name, But we're spending time with

1240
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:38,320
this one. And I think it was pretty effective for

1241
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:39,119
what we got here.

1242
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:41,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, hundred percent.

1243
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: It's funny how Cali Brimbore is just not doing okay

1244
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:49,559
and she just basically told, like, you know, we built

1245
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:51,519
these rings out of de seat, you and me. You

1246
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:54,719
lied to the high King. The only way forward is

1247
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,079
to keep making rings like a calibridmore like says the

1248
00:57:58,119 --> 00:57:59,960
speech and goes up and starts crying as a little

1249
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,719
he's not doing okay, Like he's I don't think he's

1250
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:04,599
gonna come out alive.

1251
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:06,199
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna he's gonna die.

1252
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:08,239
Speaker 1: And I feel like at least if anyone were to

1253
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,119
kill him, it would be sourn because you don't want

1254
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:13,400
someone who can smith something to have the such power

1255
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,960
to be able to smith something to oppose it, I guess,

1256
00:58:16,639 --> 00:58:19,239
or I maybe he would even take his own life

1257
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,280
because he just can't handle this anymore, Like Jump off

1258
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,159
the tower, jump off the tower. I mean when he

1259
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:25,800
when he walks off that balcony, he sees like the

1260
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,000
army of Orcs. I mean, he's gonna be pretty shocked,

1261
00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:30,840
Like what's he gonna do?

1262
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:34,679
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, he's gonna be like dennisthor light himself on

1263
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,239
fire and leap off.

1264
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: Just so screaming my.

1265
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:44,199
Speaker 5: Line is ended. Yeah, I don't think he's gonna make

1266
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:46,519
it out of the the siege of a region. I

1267
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:49,719
I think I think he's gonna be like a big

1268
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,440
moment of him realizing what he's done and then he

1269
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,599
has to live with that till the end of his days,

1270
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:56,559
even though they might be brief from that point of

1271
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,960
like realization. I don't know. It's an interesting character that

1272
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,960
maybe I maybe I thought that he was like a

1273
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,320
lot wiser and smarter that going into the show, like

1274
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,840
maybe this is actually quite accurate to his character. I'm

1275
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,760
not too familiar with him specifically, like like back in

1276
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,320
the books and the just just that era of it.

1277
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,000
But because I think initially to me, it's just like, man,

1278
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,199
this guy's just such a dufist, Like everything that anatar

1279
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:24,239
says is so sus and he's just like, oh, that's

1280
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:26,000
a good idea. Yeah, it's a lie of the high

1281
00:59:26,039 --> 00:59:28,320
king and keep the forges going. And then he like

1282
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,639
doesn't want to make these rings for men because men

1283
00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:33,000
are corruptible. And then Anatar is like, well, I'm gonna

1284
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,440
do him anyways, and he's like okay, and he just

1285
00:59:36,519 --> 00:59:38,440
doesn't say anything like at the end of the day,

1286
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,360
you're the lord of Aragon, like for the smiths, like

1287
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,599
you have the say to just put an end of this,

1288
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:46,960
but you're just gonna let this random guy, this random

1289
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:50,440
Jesus like character that I guess from his perspective, like

1290
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,400
he actually sees it as basically someone that's come from

1291
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:57,480
like that, like from Valinor so it's like it is

1292
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:00,000
like an angelic bean. So maybe that is kind of

1293
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:03,360
what's allowing him to look past it. But I don't know,

1294
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:08,039
it just seems sussery. But when we have dialogue between

1295
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,280
Anatar in him, I do like those sequences because it's

1296
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,320
just more of Anatar choosing. It's like it's like it's

1297
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,440
an RPG, like elder schools are fallout and he's like

1298
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,639
choosing all the right dialogue options and he's just like

1299
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:23,239
winning every single one. And that's that's I do like

1300
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,639
seeing that showcased, and like initially before they started the

1301
01:00:27,639 --> 01:00:30,840
forging of the Rings, he was really just and I

1302
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,760
think he still is to an extent. He's really just

1303
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,719
leaning into kelbrin Boor's ego and that like that's such

1304
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:38,079
a big thing with the Elves, especially around this time.

1305
01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:41,599
I would imagine of just like them being these master craftsmen,

1306
01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:46,079
and like earlier he was bringing up like the name

1307
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:48,360
of fean Or and how like he's just kind of

1308
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,960
been calib Brinbor has been like just overshadowed by his

1309
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:55,880
craftsmanship and how amazing he was at making things. So

1310
01:00:57,239 --> 01:00:58,320
I don't know, I'm kind of in the middle, Like

1311
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,559
I like, I like the way that he's being fooled,

1312
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:05,400
even though it seems like as an outside viewer it

1313
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,119
seems like you should be able to see through some

1314
01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:10,480
of these things. But so I think for the most part,

1315
01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:12,599
I'm in the positive on everything that's kind of going

1316
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:14,920
around calibrin Borg. Even though I thought going into it

1317
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,639
he was going to be like a really wise character,

1318
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:21,000
and that's not saying he isn't, but he's just very

1319
01:01:21,079 --> 01:01:26,199
much being played by Souron, And I liked how he

1320
01:01:26,239 --> 01:01:28,039
even has a line in here right where it's like

1321
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:32,920
I forget specific what he says, but it's like someone

1322
01:01:33,079 --> 01:01:37,599
noted that like Anatar, it's like like he's he's good

1323
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:40,679
at like making let's say Anatar is talking to me,

1324
01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:42,800
He's good. He's good at making me think that my

1325
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,119
idea is my idea. Even though it was was.

1326
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: That Durham that said that when he was confronting.

1327
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 5: I think it was. I can't quite remember, but I

1328
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:52,639
just really liked that line right there and then and

1329
01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:55,639
then Anatar like changes the subject and then and then

1330
01:01:55,719 --> 01:01:57,880
he like brings up something else and then calibrin Boor

1331
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,000
is like, oh men, is that who you' talk about?

1332
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,280
Like it's just like he gets played in that moment,

1333
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,960
even though he like commented on it. So I liked

1334
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,360
all of that stuff that happened. I apologize the major paraphry,

1335
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,920
it's all that dialogue there, but yeah, I like what's

1336
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,159
going on with the reggaeon even though it's not it's

1337
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:16,000
not going well for the Elves or men or dwarves.

1338
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: No, And I think it's it's neat to actually see

1339
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,679
an Elf in this position, just being at the full front,

1340
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:26,480
just corrupted and just blasted by Saron's charisma and perspective,

1341
01:02:26,719 --> 01:02:30,039
and it's just it's breaking him. And now Saren's like, oh,

1342
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:34,719
we'll find nine of the most purest, hardest men out there.

1343
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,400
I will give them these rings and they'll be incorruptible.

1344
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,920
It's like, well, that's it's crazy because it's just such

1345
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,280
a huge shot towards men because you take the most

1346
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,639
peak I guess men in all of Middle Earth and

1347
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:51,920
you corrupt them. So it really just shows how strong

1348
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:52,800
Saron is.

1349
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 3: That so yeah, yeah, no, very well said. I think there's.

1350
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:02,119
Speaker 4: Truth to what you're saying there, kind of like there

1351
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:05,079
are a couple moments when it feels like, calibrimber, what

1352
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:06,519
are you doing? I think for me that's mostly in

1353
01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:08,719
like the prior episodes, I think in this one, it

1354
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,199
like mostly makes sense what's going on. Like, I think

1355
01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:14,960
it was really a great moment to see from him,

1356
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,519
for him to call out anatar. I'm like, hey, man,

1357
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:19,639
you know notice how you do this thing. Yeah, you

1358
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:22,239
say this thing to someone, you make them think that

1359
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,119
they thought it in the first place. Like he's just

1360
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,800
calling out the idea of inception pretty much to him.

1361
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:29,039
Speaker 2: So I like that.

1362
01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 4: But I love that the way that anatar like gets

1363
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,239
around that is just like yeah, well, anyway, we gotta

1364
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:37,280
we gotta make some rings right now. And I thought

1365
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,599
I thought this one was both funny but also compelling,

1366
01:03:40,639 --> 01:03:43,840
where he's like, Okay, we gotta make these nine rings

1367
01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:46,719
and calib Brimber's like, no, I think we've we've done enough.

1368
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 3: We we made the rings that we said we were

1369
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:49,559
going to. We'ren't gonna make anymore.

1370
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,639
Speaker 4: And then he's like, okay, well I'm just gonna go

1371
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:53,840
make them without you then, and then Calibrimberg just has

1372
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,239
like a surprise Pikachu face. He's like, oh, what, You're

1373
01:03:57,239 --> 01:03:57,639
gonna go.

1374
01:03:57,639 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 3: And make this without me?

1375
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,039
Speaker 4: So I think it just took him a bit to

1376
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:03,320
re calibrate and be like, uh, okay, I didn't expect that,

1377
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,840
Like I've trusted this guy so far and like personably

1378
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,159
the weeks or maybe even months that they've been working

1379
01:04:08,199 --> 01:04:11,159
together at this point. But then like in that very

1380
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,960
next scene after that is when he goes to him

1381
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,079
and he's like, you know, this is against the High

1382
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:16,800
Kings orders, like.

1383
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,119
Speaker 3: We can't we can't do this.

1384
01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 4: Uh And then and I thought this was like the

1385
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,679
really expert part from what Anatar did where he's like, yeah, okay,

1386
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:26,280
we could do that. We could we could stop making

1387
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,400
these rings right now, but like we've already had this

1388
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:33,039
level of deception to it. So there's kind of like

1389
01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:34,760
these two roads. We can go that way or we

1390
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,840
can just make more rings. And to me, it's kind

1391
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:39,159
of funny the way that comes out, But like, at

1392
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:42,039
the end of the day, who is Calibrin boor he's

1393
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:44,840
just a guy that likes making shit, you know, specifically

1394
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,079
he's making rings. So when he calls him out, I

1395
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:48,519
think it was really smart where he's like, okay, you

1396
01:04:48,519 --> 01:04:50,480
can go one or the other. One way is you've

1397
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:53,000
already gone against the high King, so we can go

1398
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:55,360
tell him that. You can go to Lyndon right now

1399
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,519
and tell him that you betrayed his trust and lied

1400
01:04:57,559 --> 01:05:00,360
to him and see how that goes. Or you can

1401
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,519
do the thing you love doing more than anything else,

1402
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:04,840
which is making shit. And so I think that was

1403
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,280
like a really really well done scene. And then the

1404
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,360
one after that, it's when they're making the rings and

1405
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,639
Calibrim was not helping. He's just kind of walking around

1406
01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:15,239
the studio just like, what the hell are these guys up?

1407
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,199
To and then Anatar is like showing how this is

1408
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:20,320
not going very well, and he's like, you know what,

1409
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,239
it would help a lot if you just helped us

1410
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,280
make these rings. And I think that was purposeful that

1411
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,079
he did that in that.

1412
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:26,599
Speaker 3: Moment with everyone else around.

1413
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,039
Speaker 4: So it made it like to Calibrin Bore, It's like, Okay,

1414
01:05:29,079 --> 01:05:31,440
now I feel like I'm letting down all these people,

1415
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:34,199
not just Anatar. It's not like a secret conversation between

1416
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:36,280
the two of them. So I just feel like, once again,

1417
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,440
like Anatar the way he's playing Caliber Moore was like

1418
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:41,679
expert in this episode, because I still felt like Calibrin

1419
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:42,440
Moore had.

1420
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:43,719
Speaker 3: Agency of his zone.

1421
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,119
Speaker 4: He wasn't being mind controlled, but Anatar was like just

1422
01:05:46,159 --> 01:05:48,559
playing on that stuff of like, man, you already portrayed

1423
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:50,360
the high cane. Do you want to admit that or

1424
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:51,960
do you want to just kind of go go ahead

1425
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,119
with what we're doing here so I have the pacing

1426
01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:57,119
of it was was really cool. A question I had

1427
01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:59,440
on this was so they talked about how, okay, we

1428
01:05:59,519 --> 01:06:02,400
kind of already some of these rings, like the Dwarven.

1429
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:03,519
Speaker 3: Rings are not very good.

1430
01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 4: Maybe there's some issues with the Elven rings too, and

1431
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,119
they're talking about like, Okay, we're gonna make these nine

1432
01:06:08,199 --> 01:06:10,199
rings and we're gonna try and he had the line

1433
01:06:10,199 --> 01:06:12,880
of like we're gonna try and take power from the

1434
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:16,840
three rings, and then we're gonna redeem the seven rings,

1435
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,960
I think is what he said, Like, yeah, is in

1436
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,440
the creation of these new rings, are they somehow balancing

1437
01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:24,599
the power of these other rings? Like they're not planning

1438
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:27,559
to recall the other rings and make them again? Like yeah,

1439
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,800
can you explain what's what's going on there?

1440
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 5: The way that I took it from that dialogue sequence

1441
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:35,159
was they made the three rings that were like perfect

1442
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,000
and everything was good, everyone's happy, and then he made

1443
01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:41,639
the seven rings through deceit, like he he lied to

1444
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:44,440
the High King, and in doing that, it basically brought

1445
01:06:44,519 --> 01:06:46,920
up some some darkness. And that's kind of what anatar

1446
01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:49,679
mentions to him, where it's like, did you do something

1447
01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:51,679
to the rings? Like, no, I didn't do anything, and

1448
01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:54,840
then he you know, dramatic pause, we did. Yes, he

1449
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,599
did something, And it's because that they made them through

1450
01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:01,280
like deceit. And I love that. I love the way

1451
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,559
that line was delivered and just what the line was,

1452
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:10,280
because I think that something that can be definitely misunderstood

1453
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,840
in just Middle Earth, and Tolkien's mythos is like the

1454
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,719
idea around magic and how it works. And I think

1455
01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:19,719
that's totally fitting. He could have been fucking lying right

1456
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,880
to his face just to do, you know, sour on things.

1457
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,800
But I think that actually has traction, And like, because

1458
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,960
we did this in a dark manner of like lying

1459
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,440
to the high King. In doing that, there's probably some

1460
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:32,559
corruption and stuff that like came out of it, and

1461
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,159
that could have been a lie. But for me, you know,

1462
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,119
I'm not the most well versed in these things, but

1463
01:07:37,159 --> 01:07:42,079
I've definitely I was definitely a delve master to an

1464
01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:44,840
extent of diving into the lore. Like I think that

1465
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,559
actually tracks. I think that could definitely be like an

1466
01:07:48,599 --> 01:07:50,480
accurate thing. I don't know if that actually is what

1467
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,599
it is, but I liked how it was said in

1468
01:07:54,639 --> 01:07:57,039
a way that even Calibrinbor kind of believed him in

1469
01:07:57,039 --> 01:08:00,000
that moment, And even if he wasn't doing well or

1470
01:08:00,199 --> 01:08:03,239
or not like emotionally or psychologically, I think it's a

1471
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,440
still a believable thing to bring about it. So we

1472
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:08,400
made the three, we made the seven. That was like

1473
01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:11,199
a bad batch, and then we're gonna do nine the

1474
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,840
right way and that'll kind of redeem us, like redeem

1475
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,960
our sins and like fix the seven. I don't know

1476
01:08:16,079 --> 01:08:18,960
how that, like if you were to explain that to

1477
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:22,800
like Galadrille or like Gill Gallad, like if they would

1478
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,640
be thinking the same way. I definitely think Calibrin Boor

1479
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,960
is just kind of grasping at straws here, like he

1480
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:33,600
feels like he is tainted, did this horrible thing, and

1481
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,000
this is kind of the only way to kind of

1482
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,840
redeem himself, which is definitely not the case, but that's

1483
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,279
what happens when Saraon gets his grimmy little fingers on

1484
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:41,800
you you know.

1485
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And then I think you know on that too.

1486
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:48,680
Like Calibrin Bore, he kind of turns into like a

1487
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,239
bit of a task master in a way that we

1488
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:53,199
haven't seen him before, where he's a bit brutal with

1489
01:08:53,239 --> 01:08:56,439
his like they were like we made these rings perfectly

1490
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,119
to all these specifications. He's like, did you was every

1491
01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:02,840
hammer strike perfec Like he's calling them out, which is

1492
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,000
like a different side for him. But then like after

1493
01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:08,399
that and once again expert thing from anatar to like

1494
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,720
make him the bad guy in this situation, and people

1495
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,199
want to go to him instead as like a more

1496
01:09:12,199 --> 01:09:14,680
trusting figure because he'll flirt with you and he'll tell

1497
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,920
you nice things, and they'll tell you that every Hammer's

1498
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,119
joke is perfect, so it's perfect. But then I think

1499
01:09:19,119 --> 01:09:21,000
it's it's great that like calibrinmore like the last scene

1500
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,199
we see with him Taylor, as mentioned, is like he's

1501
01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:25,359
like in a corner, he's got his hands, his head

1502
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:27,880
in his hands, and he's like, what the fuck is

1503
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,520
going on here? Like after all these like the days

1504
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,520
of hard work, He's like, man, what is actually going

1505
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,439
on here? And I guess part of it is like, man,

1506
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,920
if you're making these corrupt rings that are messing with

1507
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,279
people's minds in the case of Duraan, like that's going

1508
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:42,920
to affect you too in some way, right, Like that's

1509
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,680
going to affect your brain chemistry. And so it's a

1510
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,560
mixture of anatar he's messing with his mind, he's toying

1511
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,279
with him, then also working with these materials that like

1512
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:54,199
have a way of actually changing people's minds.

1513
01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 3: So it makes it makes all of the stuff that's

1514
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,279
going on with Calibrin Moore a little bit more believable

1515
01:09:59,279 --> 01:09:59,520
for me.

1516
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 4: So that's where I feel like, Man, he's actually like

1517
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,520
a well rounded character in this episode, and who would

1518
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,319
have thought a well rounded character is more entertaining than

1519
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,239
just like some really one note cheesy guy that he

1520
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:12,720
was like earlier this season.

1521
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 3: So it's all good stuff.

1522
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see what happens with his character

1523
01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:20,039
going forward. And as I mentioned, as I joke it,

1524
01:10:20,079 --> 01:10:22,479
as I messed up earlier with the Newman, or now

1525
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,319
we're going with this Orc invasion of Orangiana, we don't

1526
01:10:25,319 --> 01:10:27,760
have much time to like, maybe we don't have much

1527
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,640
time to see what's gonna happen there, and I maybe

1528
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:30,880
want there to be a little bit more time to

1529
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,479
just flesh some of that stuff out, which is good.

1530
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,560
But at the same time, this or invasion could be

1531
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,279
really compelling stuff as well. So curious to see how

1532
01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:40,199
that will, uh, how that sequence will go down.

1533
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, absolutely, it definitely seems right around the corner.

1534
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,760
And I don't know how long it really takes to

1535
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,720
make these rings. It seems like we just kind of

1536
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,920
rushed through the process. Like I was kind of surprised.

1537
01:10:52,039 --> 01:10:54,640
The opening of this episode is like Duran with all

1538
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:57,439
the seven that aren't even just on his finger, but

1539
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:02,399
like they're all in Kasa Doom like made delivered probably

1540
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:05,600
free shipping today, you know, like that Amazon Prime delivery.

1541
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,159
So I was pretty just surprised by how fast it happened.

1542
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:11,640
But it is already episode five, right.

1543
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,560
Speaker 4: And that's always the trigger thing with the show is

1544
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,720
like just the time scale of stuff, Like we didn't

1545
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:21,119
see any Dwarf or or Ringyon elf stuff last episode,

1546
01:11:21,159 --> 01:11:23,479
so it's like, yeah, okay, maybe months have gone by

1547
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,119
or years, right, just because of the scale of what's

1548
01:11:26,279 --> 01:11:27,520
going on on the stage, it's kind.

1549
01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:28,119
Speaker 3: Of tricky to say.

1550
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 5: And they did say they're already condensing the timelines right

1551
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,920
like from the start of the show, which I think

1552
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,680
makes sense, Like to have a thousand year old.

1553
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, time jumper like that seems to work with it's

1554
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,439
still potentially a lot of stuff to judge through, so.

1555
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 5: It makes sense even if I'm like, because I was

1556
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,119
reading through a Warhammer book not too long ago, and

1557
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:50,680
like there's like a thousand year time jumps in that,

1558
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,159
and just in a book even can be so confusing

1559
01:11:53,159 --> 01:11:55,600
because it's like you're reading about something that happens and

1560
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,439
then the start of the next page is like it's

1561
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,359
been two and a half centuries since the reign of

1562
01:11:59,399 --> 01:12:01,680
this and it's just like, what the fuck are you serious? Okay,

1563
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:03,319
I guess we're just this is the way, This is

1564
01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:05,680
the way the world's going right now. But Dylan I

1565
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:10,239
brought up I found it's actually an interactive nice Middle

1566
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:14,439
Earth map and this is on artamaps dot org arta dash.

1567
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,199
Speaker 4: Not a secure website you know, play with.

1568
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,199
Speaker 5: And it's fantastic though, because you can choose what age

1569
01:12:21,319 --> 01:12:23,359
you want to look at, so the way the map

1570
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:24,920
is and the first age for the second age. But

1571
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,800
I just want to bring this up for a couple

1572
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,279
of reasons. So oops, down here's a rag Yon and

1573
01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:32,399
then that's because it right next to it, so really

1574
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,119
nice and quick. And then of course you have Mirkwood

1575
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,640
right right here, which is riven Dell is probably like

1576
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,560
up here a little bit. And then this it would

1577
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,239
be like where the shire is. Oh my god, I'm

1578
01:12:45,279 --> 01:12:48,279
all over the place kind of in this area, not

1579
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,520
on the and then Linden.

1580
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 3: The other side of all the shire stuff too pretty.

1581
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 5: Much, yeah, exactly.

1582
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: If sour On wins, he'd have to go through the

1583
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,000
Shire to get to Linden.

1584
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,079
Speaker 5: Oh and the fucking funniest thing ever, right is, at

1585
01:13:04,119 --> 01:13:06,760
the end of season one, we have a shot of

1586
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,920
sourn somewhere in Mount Doom for just a dramatic image

1587
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:13,000
saying that it's sour on right, hal Brand, He's just

1588
01:13:13,079 --> 01:13:16,119
he's in mor door looking at Mount Doom. And then

1589
01:13:16,279 --> 01:13:19,760
the next next day, Oh my god, I'm all over

1590
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:20,199
the place of.

1591
01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 2: This the way out there swimming.

1592
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 5: He's all the way in the north at the start

1593
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:29,760
of the first season, right, which would have been somewhere east.

1594
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,199
But yeah, this maps it's great, but it's not the

1595
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:41,439
easiest words. I also wanted to come over to New Minor. Whoa, yeah,

1596
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:45,760
that's pretty far away, whole island called, Yes, this is

1597
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,039
the island of New manir And then.

1598
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,399
Speaker 3: What's actually in the city that we've been spending time in.

1599
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure it's a randoor like down here.

1600
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,199
Speaker 3: Oh I think you're right. I think I've seen that

1601
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:57,880
in this area.

1602
01:13:59,159 --> 01:14:02,079
Speaker 5: And then if if it's true to what they said

1603
01:14:02,079 --> 01:14:06,239
in the show, technically an arion somewhere west on the

1604
01:14:06,279 --> 01:14:07,840
island as of right now.

1605
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,560
Speaker 1: Are like fortress, like human stronghold.

1606
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,159
Speaker 3: An island has probably got cities all over it.

1607
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:18,159
Speaker 5: Right, Oh yeah, percent that's what I mean, like, like

1608
01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:20,680
everything that we've seen so far of Newmanor, it's been

1609
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,720
just of this city. But like I think there's still

1610
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,800
a lot more to kind of explore here, as well

1611
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,000
as the location of an Areon. So Taylor an Aaron

1612
01:14:28,199 --> 01:14:32,640
that's a seal Door's brother, so Alendial's uh first son,

1613
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,479
second son, whatever the hell he is. An Arion actually

1614
01:14:36,079 --> 01:14:41,399
founded Arnor, which is like the kingdom of of Men

1615
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:42,640
in the north, so that like a lot of the

1616
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,960
Rangers in the time of like Aragon, like that's kind

1617
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,720
of where they are because the Witch King fucked up

1618
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,079
that kingdom early in the in the third age there.

1619
01:14:52,079 --> 01:14:53,720
But yeah, this is a great map. Definitely go check

1620
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,600
out this website if you're curious for here, and then

1621
01:14:55,720 --> 01:15:01,000
of course down here's more door. No uh no, how.

1622
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:03,119
Speaker 2: Far did he go from Mordor Tori.

1623
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 5: Or?

1624
01:15:04,079 --> 01:15:04,399
Speaker 2: Sorry?

1625
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, how how far was his journey where he went.

1626
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 3: From Ringion to Mordor and then back to.

1627
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:18,359
Speaker 5: Rig So he was so at the end of the

1628
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,239
season one, right, they're all like near here. I think

1629
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,000
we're like somewhere down here because they land and then

1630
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,239
they're going to Mortar and then they get fucked and then.

1631
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, but even before that he was actually yeah, he

1632
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,800
is yeah, and then went there and then went to

1633
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,239
he knows, and he was in the Southlands for a bit,

1634
01:15:39,279 --> 01:15:41,600
which I guess the Southlines are just south of Mordor, right,

1635
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:42,560
is that area down there?

1636
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 5: Well then you know, yeah, like it's it's pretty damn big, run.

1637
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,239
Speaker 3: Down, pretty small area.

1638
01:15:52,399 --> 01:15:54,239
Speaker 5: They even have Vallenor in here, like this is a

1639
01:15:54,279 --> 01:15:55,079
pretty sick.

1640
01:15:56,119 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 2: They have Vaalenor in the risk though, No, definitely not.

1641
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:00,319
Speaker 3: It doesn't go that.

1642
01:16:00,399 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 4: It doesn't newman Or is not even in that. They

1643
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,239
should make a new one of Rings of Power.

1644
01:16:04,359 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 2: We already sunk. I guess at this point.

1645
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess maybe it is there. It's just under

1646
01:16:09,279 --> 01:16:10,279
under some water.

1647
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 2: Cool.

1648
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:16,319
Speaker 5: What else did I have to say, Rayyn, I think

1649
01:16:16,399 --> 01:16:20,760
that was kind of it? Uh yeah, I already Oh,

1650
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,880
actually that's what I was gonna say. I loved the

1651
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,720
description that I forget the lasses name, but Killer Brimbourg's,

1652
01:16:28,079 --> 01:16:32,760
you know, the lesser glad real in comparison that lady,

1653
01:16:33,039 --> 01:16:33,760
the blonde lady.

1654
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 4: It was like marialdian or something I wrote down.

1655
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,199
Speaker 5: Definitely definitely starts with a N M M I R

1656
01:16:39,359 --> 01:16:43,439
something like that. But I I love the moment when

1657
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,800
she's kind of describing what she saw like in the unseen,

1658
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,319
like when she was wearing the ring and like she

1659
01:16:50,399 --> 01:16:52,680
was clearly seeing sour On in his true form of

1660
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:56,199
just like the flame, and then just like the absolute

1661
01:16:56,319 --> 01:16:58,920
terror that it just brought her. I I I love

1662
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:02,800
that so much. I love like the moment of like

1663
01:17:03,279 --> 01:17:06,880
just terror that she had of like seeing that and

1664
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,039
and not just seeing him, but like being in the

1665
01:17:09,119 --> 01:17:11,760
unseen and like just feeling like you're in a hell

1666
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:17,840
escape Mardonia. Yeah, Mardonia, great name, but I I just

1667
01:17:18,039 --> 01:17:20,960
loved what that was and how Anatar played it like

1668
01:17:21,039 --> 01:17:24,319
super cool and he's like, oh yeah, well that's kill Brenbor.

1669
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,600
That's what you saw there, and it's just like, what really,

1670
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,640
that's what he is? And I I think, on one hand,

1671
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,079
it's like, Okay, that's that's a pretty wild sight to

1672
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:36,159
just just see there, and like I feel like you

1673
01:17:36,399 --> 01:17:39,199
need a more like a deeper explanation. But it's also

1674
01:17:39,319 --> 01:17:42,399
just like the fear that she has, like like she's

1675
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,279
so scared of what that of what she saw and

1676
01:17:45,319 --> 01:17:46,760
she knows that she saw it, and then now she's

1677
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,279
getting an answer from this this wise man that like

1678
01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:52,319
this is who it is and and this is why

1679
01:17:52,359 --> 01:17:54,840
it's happening, and like it's just like right away she's

1680
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,039
she's believing him. That's even before the gladial line. I think, so.

1681
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,279
I I just like how that sequence kind of went about,

1682
01:18:01,279 --> 01:18:04,399
even though, as I was saying earlier, like initially when

1683
01:18:04,399 --> 01:18:07,239
she's invisible, I'm like, really, come on, that should be

1684
01:18:07,279 --> 01:18:09,920
the one ring that does that. But uh, I digress.

1685
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 2: He was testing it out.

1686
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,119
Speaker 3: He was definitely, Yeah, they're prototyping.

1687
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:17,560
Speaker 5: Which is weird because like that doesn't even Yeah, I'm

1688
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,199
not even to go I'm not even gonna compare, and

1689
01:18:19,239 --> 01:18:20,039
let's not even do it.

1690
01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 1: Why is it sour On himself doesn't turn invisible when

1691
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:23,319
he puts the ring on.

1692
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,119
Speaker 5: That's what I was gonna talk about. But uh, thanks Taylor.

1693
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,039
You know, the ring affects like other people differently, Like

1694
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,960
Sourn is a bean that lives uh in the land

1695
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,680
of the scene and the unseen. So an example of

1696
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,119
someone that only lives in the unseen is like the Nausechool.

1697
01:18:39,399 --> 01:18:41,920
So the Nauschool only are in the unseen. That's why

1698
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,079
when Froda wears the ring, he sees them like they're

1699
01:18:45,079 --> 01:18:47,640
in all white, and the reason why they're not all

1700
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,680
white in the land of the scene is because they're

1701
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:52,960
not actually physically there, like they're wearing like a cloak,

1702
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:54,800
where if you took the cloak off, like there just

1703
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,439
wouldn't be anything there, Like they're invisible. Yeah, and I

1704
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,479
use invisible like air quote because that's what happens to

1705
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,760
Frodo or Bilbo or like whoever when they wear the

1706
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:04,800
ring they go. They don't go invisible, they go to

1707
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:09,640
the other realm of the unseen. And I guess just

1708
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:13,600
in this instance, Yeah, he's just trying out things. They

1709
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,720
added a little bit too much myth throw I think

1710
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,720
that was the like the example or the explanation. Rather,

1711
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:23,000
I'm like why that happened? And uh, I don't know.

1712
01:19:23,039 --> 01:19:25,039
I guess if I had a candidate for the show too.

1713
01:19:25,079 --> 01:19:28,479
It's like anatar probably specifically intended to do that, so

1714
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,840
that kiln Brimborge just gets flustered. It's like I have

1715
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,079
to do it myself, Like I guess I have to

1716
01:19:33,119 --> 01:19:36,680
be involved in this in this right, because that's what

1717
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,840
he says. He's like, Oh, I I think we added

1718
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:40,640
too much myth And he's like, what you added that,

1719
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,239
It's like, Okay, didn you look at my notes? Yeah,

1720
01:19:44,359 --> 01:19:46,199
I guess I have to do this. And then Anataar

1721
01:19:46,279 --> 01:19:47,680
is like, to his little smirk.

1722
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: He's probably looking at the other I was like, hey,

1723
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,640
let's you know, we're gonna fuck with Merindia.

1724
01:19:54,039 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 2: Watch this makes her going visible?

1725
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 5: Was something crazy? I also thought it was wild because

1726
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,199
at some point, like an anvil just like drops from

1727
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:07,439
the ceiling and I'm like, who the fuck just has

1728
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:12,520
that anvil just like suspended? Do the Willem dafoe, you know,

1729
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,039
get looking up and that thing hanging above you. That's

1730
01:20:15,159 --> 01:20:15,960
terrifying image.

1731
01:20:16,399 --> 01:20:17,239
Speaker 2: But why did it drop?

1732
01:20:17,399 --> 01:20:20,359
Speaker 1: Was it just Mirandia just swinging.

1733
01:20:21,079 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 3: Swinging around?

1734
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 4: Not a very safely designed forge, even though it's the

1735
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:29,199
world's most important forge and most expensive forge. But they're

1736
01:20:29,239 --> 01:20:32,479
just hanging fu death equipment from the roof.

1737
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:34,079
Speaker 2: Apparently that's how they'll fight the orcs.

1738
01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 4: When the orcs coming, they'll drop through the traps. Yeah,

1739
01:20:37,399 --> 01:20:39,520
just have a bunch of anvils set up everywhere. Very

1740
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:40,319
video gaming.

1741
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:47,039
Speaker 5: Kevin McAllister, paint cans hanging up, Oh my.

1742
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 3: God, that's so good.

1743
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,159
Speaker 2: Well, anything else, I think I've exhausted my notes.

1744
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,560
Speaker 4: I guess just the I guess just the cliffhanger. The

1745
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,960
end of the episode quick sequence, there were glad rill

1746
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,159
Is with the Orcs. She gets really from the cage.

1747
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:05,239
Speaker 3: And then at our fiendishly says that I didn't want

1748
01:21:05,239 --> 01:21:05,720
to capture you.

1749
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 4: I wanted to work with you against dark common enemy.

1750
01:21:09,079 --> 01:21:14,960
So I guess the common enemy is saur On somehow discovered.

1751
01:21:14,319 --> 01:21:16,119
Speaker 5: That the race of men.

1752
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:22,119
Speaker 4: Yeah maybe, Yeah, it's weird because when he when Adar

1753
01:21:22,279 --> 01:21:26,159
killed that guy in the cave and he turned to Goo,

1754
01:21:27,079 --> 01:21:29,439
it looked different. So where he still don't really know

1755
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,600
how he knows this stuff.

1756
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's just he's just under the like because the

1757
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,119
whole season he's been like Sourn's out there, like he's

1758
01:21:37,119 --> 01:21:39,319
not actually yeah, he's dead, but I don't think he

1759
01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:42,640
actually knows what he looks like. I think maybe like

1760
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:46,239
the pairing up of the two of them, I don't know,

1761
01:21:46,319 --> 01:21:50,800
it's interesting because like they're pairing up, but like at Ours,

1762
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,239
at Ours folk, I almost just called them at Ours.

1763
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,119
Orcs are also still invading a reggaeon right, like we

1764
01:21:57,159 --> 01:21:59,000
saw that in the Trader, like that is going to happen.

1765
01:21:59,039 --> 01:22:01,840
It's curious where this alliance is kind of good.

1766
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 4: I mean, she doesn't have a hard choice right now

1767
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:06,640
if she either dies or she works with him to

1768
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,479
some extent, at least in a fake way.

1769
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 5: I just gonna take his eye out. That little hair

1770
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:13,800
clip thing. She had.

1771
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,199
Speaker 2: Definitely use him to get into the city.

1772
01:22:17,239 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: And I remembered now, so Anatar definitely alluded to uh

1773
01:22:22,359 --> 01:22:25,399
Adar that Saron this is what Saraen looks like, what

1774
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:27,199
Saron is in a rigion? Didn't he say that to

1775
01:22:27,279 --> 01:22:31,439
him a few episodes ago, because I thought he planted

1776
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,560
that seed, like I can go in there and bring

1777
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,199
him out, like that's the whole point of the planet.

1778
01:22:35,319 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that was hal Brand's pitch, Harand's pitch.

1779
01:22:39,039 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Okay, that.

1780
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,199
Speaker 5: He gets that one orc to trail him.

1781
01:22:44,399 --> 01:22:45,520
Speaker 2: Maybe that's where he says.

1782
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: Made these rings, He's sarn kill him.

1783
01:22:50,039 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 5: Mm. That honestly, that could be that could that could happen,

1784
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:57,159
That that very well could happen.

1785
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1786
01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 5: Oh that's one last thing I was gonna say. I

1787
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:06,319
we got a three key men name drops from from

1788
01:23:06,319 --> 01:23:09,199
Anatar when he's basically just talking about you know when

1789
01:23:09,239 --> 01:23:11,600
you find great men, and then they start bringing up

1790
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:15,880
the names of like Baron, which you guys were Baron Luthian.

1791
01:23:16,319 --> 01:23:20,960
It was briefly mentioned in uh Fellowship when uh I

1792
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,680
think they're at weather Top and they're all kind of sleeping,

1793
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:27,720
and then uh Aragon is singing a song and then

1794
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,119
Frodo's asking about it and he's telling him it's it's

1795
01:23:31,119 --> 01:23:36,960
about Luthian, and like the tale of Baron and uh

1796
01:23:37,399 --> 01:23:41,079
big big player in like the Cimarillion book, both Baron

1797
01:23:41,119 --> 01:23:44,640
and Luthian, and I just I love that story. It's

1798
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:48,119
it's it's a really like key Tolkien story. I find

1799
01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:51,000
too because even in like Peter Jackson's version of the film,

1800
01:23:51,079 --> 01:23:56,600
like the Parallel of Aragorn and Arwing, it's like the

1801
01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,159
exact same situation where Baron was a man and then

1802
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:02,760
Luthian was an elf, and it's just like this forbidden

1803
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:04,359
love and how it's gonna work, and it's the exact

1804
01:24:04,359 --> 01:24:07,279
same thing there. And I might not be too accurate

1805
01:24:07,279 --> 01:24:09,560
on this, but someone told me that that was also

1806
01:24:10,399 --> 01:24:12,920
like supposed to be like about Tolkien's own relationship with

1807
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,640
his wife and how it was like obviously she wasn't

1808
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:19,600
an elf. Maybe she was, but it was just that

1809
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:21,840
was his motivation to like do that tale from the

1810
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:23,840
get go, and then it's just kind of this like

1811
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:28,920
this like most important love story throughout the entire Tolkien mythos,

1812
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,239
and it just keeps popping up. So I love that

1813
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,760
we got the name drop there Baron. And then I

1814
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,800
believe he said Tuor and Turin or something like that.

1815
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:40,439
Those are the other two which more big players in

1816
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:45,319
the Simarillion. But yeah, I just liked just like that

1817
01:24:45,399 --> 01:24:47,079
sequence and how he was saying how we need to

1818
01:24:47,119 --> 01:24:51,239
get the best of men from New Minor to the

1819
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,439
to the east, right as far as Run, and he

1820
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:58,119
actually mentions Rune, which I don't know all the names

1821
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:01,439
of the Nau school, but big big one is Kamul

1822
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,279
the Easterling, which is very much from Run. So that

1823
01:25:04,399 --> 01:25:07,119
was kind of cool just to get that there. That's

1824
01:25:07,399 --> 01:25:09,640
that's the one that actually is in the shire, like

1825
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,239
the first one that's interacting kind of with with our

1826
01:25:13,239 --> 01:25:15,720
hobbits when they're running from farmer maggots crops.

1827
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 1: You know, when does he become the witch king of Angmar?

1828
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:23,119
Speaker 5: No that is I forget his name, but now Kamul

1829
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:26,680
is like the next number two. I guess, like which

1830
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,640
king would be the number one? And then Kamus, that guy.

1831
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 2: And that's so cool.

1832
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it. I can't wait. I can't wait

1833
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,279
to meet these fucking men that are just gonna perish

1834
01:25:36,279 --> 01:25:39,560
and get corrupted. I can't wait. I don't think it's

1835
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,520
happened in this season, but uh maybe at the end,

1836
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:43,199
maybe at the end.

1837
01:25:43,239 --> 01:25:45,119
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I guess the making of these nine

1838
01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:48,079
rings is in theory gonna be uh yeah, gonna be

1839
01:25:48,079 --> 01:25:51,399
delayed because of the potential orc attack the city.

1840
01:25:53,039 --> 01:25:56,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, very true. I'm hoping it's like a again

1841
01:25:56,159 --> 01:25:59,000
Amazon Prime delivery to day from the time that they

1842
01:25:59,079 --> 01:26:03,840
ordered them. They just get in two days flying on

1843
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:07,880
the wings of an eagle, same one that fucking eagles

1844
01:26:08,039 --> 01:26:10,199
sponsored Farazon apparently.

1845
01:26:10,279 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 3: Clearly, yeah, you can just pay them all off.

1846
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 5: Apparently like I went in the wrong door. I was

1847
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:17,039
not supposed to be in that tower. Man.

1848
01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see Sarah on sales pitch when he

1849
01:26:20,039 --> 01:26:20,760
meets these men.

1850
01:26:21,319 --> 01:26:22,560
Speaker 2: I give them the rings.

1851
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 3: I don't think it's take much.

1852
01:26:24,079 --> 01:26:26,399
Speaker 5: I don't think it takes it. That looks cool.

1853
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 1: Same thing he said, Yeah, this looks cool, same thing

1854
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:30,840
he said to the elves earlier, right, like we see.

1855
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:31,359
Speaker 2: Something cool.

1856
01:26:34,359 --> 01:26:36,159
Speaker 5: Or it just falls the gladial's feet and she picks

1857
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:38,760
it up. Yeah, just like be the exact same thing

1858
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:40,039
fall at the men's feet.

1859
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:45,279
Speaker 3: I'm noteless over here, noteless, no less.

1860
01:26:45,279 --> 01:26:47,319
Speaker 1: All right, well, ladies, gentlemen, thank you for tuning in

1861
01:26:47,359 --> 01:26:49,479
to episode five, Rings of Power.

1862
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:50,079
Speaker 2: Spoilers off you.

1863
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:53,119
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with episode six, straight up

1864
01:26:53,119 --> 01:26:55,479
to the finale. And we got Agatha starting up next

1865
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,279
week so be sure to check that out, and Penguins

1866
01:26:57,279 --> 01:27:00,479
starting up too. There's a whole shows, oh my goodness,

1867
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so lots of stuff coming your way.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, we will see you in the search bar.

1869
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Speaker 1: See yay, I really dried