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This is episode four, like, I'll just five.
Speaker 3: You missed four last week?
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Speaker 3: We did watch episode five tonight. That's correct.
Speaker 1: I did watch episode five tonight, so we are on
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Speaker 3: I'm the Dell Master Dylan Moss.
Speaker 1: Yes, so we're gonna be getting into some juicy non
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Speaker 3: Yeah, me and.
Speaker 4: Kirklar had a fun side quest this week, just talking
about all the games we've been playing lately. This is
one of those episodes. And then Taylor, you're joining me
next week for some other good stuff. So yeah, side
quest popmoll.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to join you because there is some call
duty updates for Halloween.
Speaker 5: That I'm excited to talk about.
Speaker 3: Okay, it sounds good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be fun.
Speaker 1: Oh in the general uh feeds, we have what do
we have? We are Beetlejuice Beetlejuice review, and that we
have joker fully idea that's coming up pretty quickly here.
Speaker 5: So yeah.
Speaker 4: We also just did a spicy newscast where we talked
about Lord of the Rings rumors for like a good
forty five minutes. I feel like, so for anyone listening
to this, go check that out. Talk about the I
was about to say the Rings of Gollum, but that's
not what that movie.
Speaker 3: Is called for.
Speaker 5: You've ever know my rebrand it.
Speaker 4: Picturing Gollum with multiple rings. Yeah, that sounds terrifying. But no,
we talked about those rumors that there was some fun
discussions there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, well Frederd, you let's get into this episode.
I have like not a spoilers. So who wants to
take the torch, take the barrier to tower and just
send it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, handed to Kirkland. Let him guide us through the
darkness of Cause of Doom with confusion.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, I think overall, I am more positive this
week than last week. Last week's episode, I thought it
was I I thought some of our interactions amongst certain characters.
Was nice and juicy, and there's some nice build up
of tension amongst parties at play here, So that was
that was nice to have. I I feel like I
don't know there now. We're we're over halfway for this
second season now, and I feel like I keep saying
this where I'm like, yeah, I know, like I set
my expectations well and I feel like I'm nice and
like settled. I won't be disappointed now, but like there's
still things that happen and it's just like, oh, man,
like why do we have to do this? I feel
like it's just bringing down the overall story for myself,
at least with some of the decisions that we're making
to kind of maybe answer questions that don't need answering,
or maybe showing certain characters weaknesses that I always thought
they didn't have, but here we are. But for the
most part, I still think there's some nice juice in
this episode. Is felt like a more Dwarven episode than most,
and I really like this, like the showcasing of the
Dwarves throughout the show. I think even just seeing Causa Doom,
we've seen it many times already, but just like some
of the wide shots that they have. It's like, fuck,
what a great visual representation of this Dwarven kingdom, especially
in like the height of its power comparing to where
we see it in the you know, the later with
our fellowship going through those those ruins, Like it's just
such a different place. So I do like to see
more of that. And yeah, for the most part, I
think this episode was was doing a good job at
kind of showing the riffs amongst certain people that weren't
rifted in the past. That's my little, uh spoiler free
description of that. But yeah, I think it was an
alright episode, definitely step up from last week in my opinion.
And yeah, I'm curious how it's going to be rounding
out here in the next couple of weeks, because what
it's eight episodes? Yeah, yeah, okay, three more episodes, Okay, yeah, okay.
I for some reason I thought it was just too more,
but like to end on seven that doesn't really make sense.
Speaker 3: So seven rings for the dwarf floors, though, right.
Speaker 5: We'll lean nine for the for the for the rings
of men that were getting close to that, But yeah,
I think I'll kind of leave it there and unravel
the rest with you guys, we get there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I guess for anyone who maybe forgets or didn't
listen our precepisodes like this season has not been my
cup of tea the first half really week. Last week's
episode was particularly just the bottom of the barrel for me.
But I happy to report that this episode was a
complete turnaround. I loved this episode. I thought it was fantastic.
It's definitely my favorite of the season, and maybe one
of my favorites in the whole series so far. It's
been a bit since I've rewatched season one, but this
this episode is fantastic.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: One of my biggest criticisms of last week's episode is
it was just not.
Speaker 3: Spending the time where I want to spend it.
Speaker 4: We were spend a lot of time with some random
factions and some of the storylines that I'm not as
fond of, and we specifically didn't do anything with the
Dwarves and Kausadoom. We didn't do anything with Erring Guion,
especially with how much was set up in the previous
episodes of what is going on there, and so that's
what was really disappointing. But this episode was like ninety
percent just those two storylines, and then a little bit
with Glad drill Nick.
Speaker 3: A little bit with Newmanor as well.
Speaker 4: So it's really it was focusing on the things I
wanted and those two sections, everything with Eringion, calibrin Boor
and everything with the dwarves, fantastic stuff. And you know what,
not a ounce of action in there too. Just really
good dialogue, really good acting all around. So yeah, I
freaking loved this episode. It was it was a really
great turnaround stuff in no minor was you know, it
was okay we can talk about I think it was
actually a little bit better than we've had in those
first four episodes, Like for that location, in those characters.
Speaker 3: It's still not great, but it was at least better
than the rest.
Speaker 4: And maybe that's just because the around the rest of
the episode was surrounded by really good stuff as well.
But I don't know, I just feel like, whoever I
know these with these shows, like sometimes you have different
writers for different episodes, different people directing each episode, whatever
it is. I don't know if this episode differs from
the previous ones, but I feel like whoever was writing
and directing this episode really just got it right. And
but it definitely gives me some hope for the rest
of the season. Hopefully it stays this quality because if
it does, then overall, I think the season's gonna be
great for me because if we can get a four
episode string in the end, there'll that'll really.
Speaker 3: Do it for me.
Speaker 4: So We've even got some confirmation this week that Amazon's
still planning for five seasons of this show, so buckle up,
there's gonna be a lot more and especially with some
of the stuff we got here, I'm kind of more
excited for that. So yeah, hopefully the streak can us
next week because I just just loved this episode. So Taylor,
I guess we also got to get hear from you
on what you thought about last week's episode quickly.
Speaker 1: Ye'll make watched it well, I did, I did watch it.
I'll make it very brief. Like last week's episode, I
thought it was fun seeing certain characters like you're Tom
Bombadil or whatnot. But for the most part, I'm not
fully engaged in the hard Foots or the.
Speaker 2: What are they the suits stores?
Speaker 1: Stores?
Speaker 2: Ye, Stewards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not totally sold on the suits, So we'll see.
Speaker 2: We'll see.
Speaker 1: When we kind of touch more base on that storyline
move in the next few episodes. But I am just
thinking though that so far it hasn't been the most hottest.
I'm kind of like you, Dylan, where I feel like
it's been similar. There's some things that I did like
in those first three episodes, and I did get me
pretty hyped. I am liking the Saron stuff, and I
wish that we could have a lot more focus on
that Saron take on things. And I feel like, again,
I'm excited to talk about this as episode now because
this episode was freaking awesome. I freaking loved it from
start to finish. It was planting seeds that was just
get me just stoked.
Speaker 2: I just couldn't wait.
Speaker 1: This felt to me like, Okay, this really does feel
like Lord of the Rings in this in this episode
it's great and so I was really driving with it,
really really enjoying it. Again, not much of a spoiler,
but just yeah, touching base on like the dwarf story
lie more and in this episode was really nice because
I think I'm really really liking that arc the most
out of all of the character stories so far. Then
followed up by like the Elves, but I think that
they did a lot of good with this episode, and
it has just ended on age. The cliffhanger was just huge.
I'm like, oh, I need the next three episodes, and
if the next three episodes keep this consistency, then I'd
be super excited at going into like a third season
or a fourth season.
Speaker 2: So I'm just.
Speaker 1: Really really looking forward and hoping that we don't get
like the flood introduced in the final episode scenario where
oh no more season three, like it's canned right when
we got to the good part, right, So I'm hoping
that this show doesn't drop the ball because I see
you guys talking on discord that it's got a lot
more lower viewership than season one has, so it is concerning,
but hopefully they keep it going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was part of it. Like it's lower,
but it's still.
Speaker 4: Like really good viewership as far as like streaming shows go,
and like maybe Amazon stuff specifically. So I don't think
it's in the tanks or anything. I think it's just
maybe a little bit of that hype is gone from
what the first season was, which which makes sense. It's
not new and shiny anymore. Yeah, that's right, And I
just feel like the marketing for the season wasn't nearly
as overpowering as that first one. I just remember, like
I think every couple of days we were getting like
some new poster of a character and trailers out the ass,
like just getting so much stuff they even like, you know,
put it in theaters is like a special thing. So
I just feel like they went a lot more awards.
Maybe that's where the viewership as well as people not
even knowing that. It's like everyone, everyone in my personal
life that I know watched the first season has not
started this one yet, And I do you think it's
just because they didn't even know it was out yet,
So I think that's yeah, just some of that knowledge
isn't as out there.
Speaker 1: Well, they did those posters. You're right about the posters
of the characters, but they did the posters just at
their hands, and everyone was like conspiracy theories, like who's
like hand this is yeah, crazy times, but that's that's
all I got for.
Speaker 5: A long time. Since then, I remember, like seeing the
souron looking one, It's like, there's no chance, there's no
way you know where we are now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you guys have anything else you want to
add on spoilers.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, we will be right back. And we are back,
ladies and gentlemen. So oh, where do we start?
Speaker 3: I know, you know where you want to start in here?
Speaker 5: I want to go to New Minor.
Speaker 2: Way.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I actually quite liked what was going on in
New Minor here. I think my least favorite scene was
also in Humanor, which is kind of funny, but I
really like just the growing tension that shown amongst the
like the people that are basically overthrowing Muriel right and
supporting our farson as like the new King and then
like the old Guard that are like loyal to Muriel.
And I like that we're just getting time to see
like actual like the boots on the ground of like
those soldiers that are now being stripped of their ranks,
as as well as like just our fire zons men
just taking over and that that like early early like
flames of this like big turmoil. It's gonna be happening,
because I can guarantee it's not gonna end well for
all of these characters. And what's going on in the
long run. But I just like at this stage at
least kind of where people are at, because it still
seems like they have a lot in common even though
they are like at each other's throats, because I I
liked the whole thing with the pellanteer and the conversation
that Ellen deal has with his daughter and how she's
basically just like calling it witchcraft and like we shouldn't
be using these tools, like this is just like the
Elves witchcraft. And then he's like his perspective on it
is that they're like sacred objects that like, like this
is really what allows us to be even living here
on New Minor. It is like the gifts from the
Elves and the val Aar, And I like just that
kind of being showcase there. Although I thought maybe some
of the dialogue, like Kevin that character, I think he's
like I think he's like his son, the one that
killed the Okay, the seal doors buddy. I hate this
guy so much. I but like I'm supposed to do right.
He's supposed to be sneevely, and he's like a Game
of Thrones character for example, like.
Speaker 4: Tongue, but just like a cringe little kid instead of like.
Speaker 2: Some creepy guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. So I was hating him for the most part,
and now it's like I just hate him the way
that he's like supposed to be written, which is good,
Like I'm supposed to hate Hi. It's supposed to be
like a worm tongue type type ordeal. But I I
I really just hated the sequence of them, like in
the actual chapel. I know, I'm kind of jumping around here,
but I mostly just liked the sequence between our fires
on and Kevin like the DOWV guy, and then the
sequenced when Elendial like gives up his sword and they
kind of have like I don't know, just just just
those two sequences though, those were like probably my favorite
nument scenes we've had so far this season, just because
it's it's starting to show like the super clear divide
amongst these two, uh just different factions and newmanorians here,
and this is really gonna be like the building blocks
on kind of what are fisons like stances going forward,
and like the people are loyal to him and because
like they're all about just basically shutting themselves or Disney
sent them themselves from the elves and like their technologies
for lack of a better term. So I still found
like some of the things that he said they felt
rather hypocritical, because like he still seems like he's speaking
in like prophetic speeches when he's talking to Kevin. How
like I had a vision when your mom was basically
breastfeeding you that you're gonna die, like a horrible death.
And because like, like where is he getting these visions from, Like,
like there's got to be some sort of outside influence
and maybe that's going to be a showcase when we
kind of figure out he's aligning with some darker forces.
So I'm I'm just yeah, I'm intrigued with what's going
forward with New Minory and stuff, because that was probably
like the thing I was the most excited for actually
going into even just season one, like getting to actually
see Newmanor because we've never seen it before on screen.
And I'm kind of liking what's happening right now with
with some of those players. And like for Alendil's daughter,
I feel like she was such a background character up
until really this episode actually, so it's kind of nice
to see her. I'm assuming he's going to be more
involved for the rest of the show at least for
the season. So yeah, it's nice to see her actually
doing something I'm supposed to just being in the background.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, And so we got that shot too.
Speaker 4: It's like it not it wasn't like the end of
the episode cliffhanger, but it was a cliffhanger from that
NEWMANRM section which is arpanzo are fars Are far Zon
nice far Soward say, where he is up in the
tower again and he's he's approaching the palantter. We don't
really see him do anything with it, but he's at
least up there. So do you guys think that he
has been communicating with it in private or is it
like his first time going back there?
Speaker 3: Like, where do you think is going on there? What's
the order of events?
Speaker 5: That's what I was kind of saying. It seems like
he's kind of hypocritical because it almost seems like he
has been using it, and if he hasn't, I guarantee
he's going to be abused in that thing in the
next next couple uh yeah, couple of views.
Speaker 4: And it was like it seems like something he would
want to hide from everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I have to imagine.
Speaker 4: That aari in like a Dlendel's daughter. I don't know
if the dweeby guy. I don't know if he would
care about that maybe, but I think she would be.
I mean, that was the whole reason why she turned
against Mariel in the first place, right, so I think
she would be pretty opposed to that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think I think that will be something that will
pop up in the future potentially, but probably just shows
more of his evil inclinations. I still think he's unfortunately
just a little too generic of like the villain of
New Minor at the moment, And I mean that's gonna
change soon because the Orcs are about to attack, it
seems like, so I'm sure the villain of New Minor
is gonna be shifted to that angle rather than just him.
But I think you're right, Like I thought, the drama
of this sequence was pretty good for the most part.
I think one of my big issues when we had
that scene when our Farzar takes takes control essentially of
the kingdom and everyone's like immediately cheering for him, They're
immediately against Muriel, and it's like, wow, this seemed like
so quick and it seems like these people don't have personalities.
But I think it was really nice to get that
scene Quins when everyone who is loyal to her is
having to turn in their armor and their weapons and
outfits and things like this, and it shows that, oh, yeah,
these people do have they do have their own thoughts,
and some of them are still even in that scene,
they're going against the people and saying we.
Speaker 3: Stand with you, Captain, what a great job you did.
Speaker 4: And so there's like already these kind of little factions
that aren't just one or two key characters that are
against our fire zone, but it's like, okay, the people
of Numenor as well. There's this little sub factions within it.
So I think all that stuff is pretty interesting. It's
just yeah, maybe not some of the most compelling characters
are unfortunately in that and like none of our favorite
characters are in Numenor right now, right, so it's just
like naturally a little bit harder to connect with it.
I'm kind of surprised how quickly this Orc thing, Like
it feels like the next Timmer in Numenor is when
Orcs are going to be attacking, and I maybe wanted
a bit more. I don't know, maybe that stuff will
be interesting, like maybe are Farzon's working with them to
some extent, but that seems like a stretch from what
we've seen so far.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: That could be what we're seeing the pellant here. Maybe
he's been communicating with them.
Speaker 5: Did I miss something about them invading Numenor because I
don't actually remember, Okay, right, and I'm like, I saw
them coming on some trees, but.
Speaker 4: The city's from a far look similar, so ignore that
last part. But yeah, so I guess it will be
interesting to see what are phones on, who he is
communicating with them, like who he's working with on the
outside of anyone yet or maybe that's just like just
planning the seeds for that to happen soon enough here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, absolutely, Oh I had something, but I lost
it when we were talking about regaon there. It'll come back,
I'm sure. What do you think about Numena?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lumenor is just totally screwed.
Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, I mean, obviously we know that there's
gonna be a flood, it's gonna be the downfall. But
seeing the division happening here, I really really like that. Uh,
it's nice to kind of get it a little bit
more emphasized, and yeah, this guy, I'm not gonna try
to pronounce his name. That's he's just he's taken over
because this eagle showed up randomly and he just took
full wind of that, which I'm still laughing about.
Speaker 2: But I think it's also quite humorous.
Speaker 1: But probably due to the fact that they're being stalked
that wherever they are like doing a little ceremony, like
they strut in, They're like, oh, this temple's closed, you know,
you can't just it's gonna be a new awkward duct.
Like they just totally crap on on their little ceremony.
I mean, did they have to go in and do
that at three o'clock in the morning. Yes, they did,
because it was a lendial and the boys were all
there having a little bit of a ceremony for their fallen.
So yeah, it's interesting that everyone is basically just being shafted.
That's sold to the Queen because we're going to get them,
I'm assuming fleeing New Minor and going to Middle Earth
and they're going to be basically creating the new I mean,
well they got the New Minor outpost, right that the
Seal Door's residing in currently.
Speaker 5: So that's the other thing that's interesting too with New
Minor is like Newman is actually much than they've shown
so much so far in the show. And I don't
think it's just a matter of like they've shrunken Numanor
in the show. I just think there's other areas of
Numoner that we haven't really gone to, because technically, I'm
pretty sure it was said in season one that like
a Naion, which is a Seal Door's brother, is still
on Numanor. I think he's like to the west of it.
And uh, part of me when Ellen Deal has the
conversation with Muriel about she's asking him what he saw
in the Pallanteer right and like if it was the
same thing that he saw, and we get like a
shot of him on horseback like leaving, and I actually
like went back and rewatched the sequence because it actually
I thought it was like on Middle Earth, but it
actually is Numanor that you see in the background because
you can see the statue of oh my god, I
forget his name, an Arian Deal something like that. I'm
pretty sure it's al Ron's dad, But yeah, you see
it in the background, like smoking, as if there's like
fires going on, and that's actually like a pretty interesting
event that happens in the book if it's what I'm
kind of thinking it is. So I don't really detail
what that is, but he's fleeing the city, and of
course I had to do some dive in basically what
the orientation of what it was. It looks like he's
actually fleeing to the west, so it like going in
the direction of an area on, which gives me super
fucking hyped because oh, I would be so hyped we
get an area on like probably not a lot in
this in the season mostly going forward, but I just
think that would be a really badass like pair up
if if a len deal goes up and just has
another ally and then they can figure what to do
after that point. But yeah, I don't know. I just
thought it was an interesting little conversation between him and Muriel.
And then when I went back and kind of rewatched
the sequence and again like it could just be a
dream sequence that means nothing, but I'm kind of thinking
that actually going to be seen that does happen potentially
even at the end of this season, and then yeah,
they would really set us up for kind of what
New Manor is going to be like in the next season,
if it lasts that long. But I definitely think it will.
Speaker 1: The use of the pedanteer, I think, because you guys
touched base about this new false king using it, I
think is the first time. I think he has not
gotten his fingers worked up on it yet, and so
he pulled that cloth off and no one knows that
he's doing it.
Speaker 2: I agree with that too. I think that he's, like
you said, big hypocrite.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting what the Queen was saying because when
she was talking to Ellen deal that they have a
different path for New Minor, but the way she was
talking sounded like, Okay, Numnar has to go through this
destruction right now to kind of come out on top,
which I thought was kind of weird. But she elaborates
too that all she saw was just the ocean taking
back New Manor. So yeah, they're dropping some little cues
in here that I'm trying to understand and trying to
pick up on. But I guess we'll just see time
will tell.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh and Ellendale's daughter, my god, she thinks she's doing
the right thing, Like when they're like, oh, whose orders
to take their swords away and just pan over to her.
I'm like, oh, I don't like to use the B word,
but you are a B word right now?
Speaker 2: Why would you? And she's like picking favorites.
Speaker 1: Like I'll talk to the king and maybe we can
spare you, like I'll get out of here. And now
that he's dead, it's gonna just probably it's probably gonna turn.
Speaker 2: Her back to the good side. I imagine.
Speaker 5: I imagine she's gonna like figure out that our farson's
doing some pal andery things and she's very against it,
as Dylan already kind of highlighted there, and I think
that'll kind of be her switch over moment, and then
she ends up helping. Maybe that's when we get that
Pallanteer scene where like a Lendeal escapes. Maybe she kind
of helps them get out of there with a horse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or the or the other thing could be.
Speaker 4: If or rather when she she reunites with the seal door,
and then that's when she could have a switch yeah, exactly,
And maybe that's like part of her reasoning for this
is like Muriel's a queen, like was not able to
protect him, right, which is part of part of the reason,
so maybe when she reconnects with him, but like, I
don't really see when that will happen. Like we haven't
seen from a Seal Door really like that motivation to
go back there right now? Right, Like has that been
his what he's been talking about in this first half
of the season, see him?
Speaker 5: Not really, he's just gonna figure out what the funck
happened after that battle, So.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know if that's something that would happen
this season. So maybe there's like these other things. Maybe
there's more going on there before they reconnect next season,
I suppose, or maybe the guys I don't know. And
that's and then the Seal Door has some other journey
that he has to go on when he finds that information. Right, Yeah,
this guy's on quite the journeys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where do we venture from here? Where's the boat's
taking us?
Speaker 5: Well, it naturally takes us to Middle Earth, right, naturally
some Middle Earth sequences.
Speaker 4: Let's let's talk about some dwarves a little bit, because
I missed them a lot last week. So I think
what I loved so much about this whole sequence, and
there's a lot to it, but I think my favorite
part is just seeing seeing someone else being corrupted by
the power of the rings. Like it's just very fun
to see a different angle on that, because I mean,
we've seen it happen many times to many different characters
over the year with the one Ring, but to get
it with this ring, I mean, it's a very similar
sort of situation that's going on, and we're just kind
of in phase one of the process. But I think
they did a good job of it here where in
this one episode is when King during is starting to.
Speaker 3: Change a little bit.
Speaker 4: Obviously his son is really picking up on, like this
is you're not behaving like you normally would. I feel
like there's really something wrong with these these rings.
Speaker 3: He hasn't gone full evil yet.
Speaker 4: He's really just like super corrupt at this point where
he's just trying to make a bunch of money and
risking the lives of or really just the structural integrity
of like their home, which of course in turn could
be the lives of all the people here. So I
just really like to see that turn in the character
and just the power that he felt when following the
ring found some light, and just like the look on
his face when that happened, and then just everything that
kind of follows through there. So I just thought that
whole sequence was was really fun. From his perspective, you
have to see someone else being corrupt by this ring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 1: I think that I was trying to think in retrospect
here because you have the three Alvin rings that were
made devoid of Sarn, Soaren was really just kind of
learning and scoping at calibrin Board did that, and then
you have these rings which Sarn assisted with but he
necessarily didn't like. I feel like they it was him
planting the little seeds in there because the dwarven rings
like they're just they're making them isolated and greedy and whatnot,
at least their downfall. And some people might speculate, oh, well,
the reason that Sarn gave during this ring was because
then Durham would dig deeper and unleach.
Speaker 2: The ball rock.
Speaker 1: But that's not the case because I'm pretty sure Saron
doesn't know that the bower rog is down there. It's
just a complete fluke and the greed is what's gonna Yeah,
So I think that's really interesting and it's just kind
of like each stage it's progressively getting worse because you
have the pure rings the elves, then you got the dwarfs,
which got you know, it's a little questionable, and then
you got the rings for men that are just gonna
be totally fucked, and you got the one ring, which
that one ring. I thought for sure he was gonna
be single handedly making these rings for the men, and
that's why these rings would be the worst, because they
turned them into the wraiths. But yeah, this is just
leading him up to just building his his own little
index finger piece of jewelry.
Speaker 5: So yeah, like the reason why the the rings for
the men are just so is because men are just
so easily corrupted compared to the other races of Middle Earth.
That's it's kind of what But like, yeahs he still
kind of has I'm pretty sure the exact same level
of corruption I guess that he did to the dwarfing
rings and the rings of men there. But yeah, I
was kind of torn in the sequence because on initially
I was just like I kind of like I kind
of like the certain traits that the one ring has
on the one ring, and like just it being the
one ring that has these traits kind of like I
forget her name, but Kellibrinboor's assistant that kind of goes invisible,
like she goes to the unseen realm and she's kind
of freaking out, and then she's like swinging a hammer around.
That's when they get her take off the ring. Like
just things like that. It's just like, I kind of
wish it was just like the one ring that had
these traits, but it's still kind of fun in these
sequences to show that. And I think now, in like
now that I've stewed on it for a couple hours
watch the episode a little while ago now, but I
think I'm totally fine with the whole corruption side of
the rings being showcased in this show, and and kind
of across all the rings. I don't really want it
to happen to the elves because as we've already kind
of talked about, like Sarahon didn't actually have anything to
do with those rings. But I I don't mind, like Duran,
for example, to to start just really being obsessive over
this because I as as far as I know, Doors
can be very stubborn and I feel like he just
found this like cheat code. He's like, holy fuck, we're
gonna be abusing this we're gonna be like like he's
he's even like it seems like he's he's boosted like
the overall morale of Kaza Doom right like like trade
is starting to pop off now and he's he's taken
some ring tax or what the hell he's calling it tribute? Yeah,
So I I do like how he's he's like invigorated
because of this ring, and I like that that's kind
of being shown there and obviously the some nefarious things
that have yet to really be shown from them, but
you know, things like during the fourth are starting to
kind of be suspect about, and I don't know, I
think for the most part, like in hindsight, I do
like the ring showcase in this episode, specifically with Duran
and how he's able to kind of use it as
his power. I like how the what are they called
stone singers like Deza, Yeah, so like I like how
it's almost like they're old tech now by this point, right,
like like yeah, they don't really and then that's why
they're kind of upset when when he was showing off
the rings and she's still pretty suss about them. I
kind of laughed at the sequence when Desa like is
waiting for Durran to come back with with some news,
and he comes back where in like the fucking the
prince necklace thing, and she's just like shaking her head.
She's just so disappointed. It's like I tried, man, I tried,
got a promotion out of it. It's kind of funny,
but yeah, no, I really liked just where like what
Duran's mindset is right now, and by during, I mean
like the older one during the third and he's just
pomped and he's he's sending the other dwarf lords out
to get their lords and sharing in the glory of
these rings so well for a price of course half theirs.
Speaker 4: That's where I think, yeah, we're setting up for something
really interesting down the road where at first, okay, the
other communities they're gonna see like the power that he
has and they're gonna want to work.
Speaker 3: With him and make this deal.
Speaker 4: But then as they they get their own rings and
then they start to feel this corruption too, they're not
gonna want to they're not gonna be cool with that
deal anymore. So they're gonna go in their own ways
to reverse the deal, or be greedy of their own
or lie about what their spoils are, because that's their
deals that half of the all of their spoils have
to go to Duran's Dwarbin faction, I suppose. But yeah,
over time, maybe they'll just start lying about what that
is or and that's where you know we could be
digging too deep into too greedily, right, is because they're
just trying to what they're actually doing down there, uh,
and that that seems like really fun, And I think
maybe the downside of that potentially is like we don't
really know those characters yet, Like maybe we've seen some
of those kings before, but like I don't really know
them that well as characters yet. So if we spend
a lot of time with spit like fighting between those factions,
like I want to get introduced to them more and
actually be invested in them for that to have impact.
So I don't know if that's like a multi season
arc is what we got going on there, if that's
not really going to be a highlight and it's more
just focusing on like King Duran's side, but I think
there is a lot of potential there for some really
interesting turmoil, not just with within Duran's kingdom, but like
all the other ones as well, and yeah, even like
man throwing that like making everything twice as expensive in
one day essentially as this ring tribute that's brutal. That is,
that is very very brutal to the people of this place.
So farther don't seem to be bothered by because obviously
they just have to have the light back and that
does so much for them, you know, So I will
see how that all works out. But yeah, I really
really enjoyed that stuff. And then the other angle too
with the king when he was talking to his delve master,
which I really like that title. I think I would
love to be a delve master.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 4: It's just like a mining bought manager essentially, but it
said in like the coolest fantasy way. But yeah, that
sequence when he's talking to him, He's liked, where's my ring?
He's like, dude, it's literally right there on the table.
He's just he he took it off because it was
too heavy, he said. But like, obviously he's already getting
like a little bit forgetful and just extremely anxious when
he doesn't have the ring next to him or on
him directly.
Speaker 3: And we've seen that with other people before with other
people in.
Speaker 4: The other Little The Rings movies. So I really liked
that scene. I thought that that was a pretty fun
section as.
Speaker 5: Well, like like that specifically was one where I'm like,
this is just too close to to Bilbo's ring, you
know when he's when he's like instantly dropping it and yeah,
and like you know, like I can be that guy
that's nitpicky with all these things. But I now, as
I've already said, now that I'm just kind of stewing
on it. It's like, Okay, this is working, I guess
for this story, so I'll let it pass. But yeah,
and even the line when uh it seemed like it
was a nudge, nudge, wink wink, like oh yeah, we
gotta go deeper. And then it's like don't be greedy
and they're saying like all the keywords of like we
dug too deep, too greedily on the show. Yeah that's
what it is, Yeah, exactly, going in circles.
Speaker 1: I loved everything about this is the Door in arc here.
Speaker 2: I thought it was great.
Speaker 1: I thought that when he started popping off with that ring,
it was going kind of senile and forgetful.
Speaker 2: I thought it was wonderful.
Speaker 1: I'm happy that it's not full on invisibility and he
goes to the realm of the unseen and or turn
into a ring raith I don't need during the therapy
and that, but it's definitely'd be.
Speaker 5: Scary dwarf with the cloak down and in hobbitant, that'd
be terrifying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wants his precious gems. Uh he is.
Speaker 1: Uh, he's making a turn here, and I feel like
it really cut me off guard when he's playing the
emotional card towards during the fourth or Prince during and
trying of like obviously reordain him as prince. But it
just caught me off guard how he was being very
sincere in this moment, and I felt like he felt
that he was threatened because of what Prince Darain was saying,
and he didn't want that power to be stripped away.
Just wanted to keep things going as they're going. But
the little things where he's just squashing the idea of yeah,
I put in those restricted digging depth laws, well their
acts now we're going to go deeper and everything with
Duran's bane. Then that thing just that freaked me out.
I wasn't sure if we were going to get there
in this episode. But when Lisa was kind of following
the little gem thing that she dropped, which I thought
was a little too comedic personally, but it is what
it is, it took her to where the Bowrog was,
I guess, and so.
Speaker 2: There we are. But yeah, that caught me. Caught me
by surprise.
Speaker 1: I was really really stoked on that because this thing's
just raring, because she's singing and it's raring back and
that's just crazy crazy. So the fact that Duran is
ignoring this, that's a big sign.
Speaker 2: But I can't wait. I feel like.
Speaker 1: We might see the downfall to Doom this season, but
I feel like at the same time, they'd probably.
Speaker 2: Save something like that.
Speaker 1: I feel like we'll get a riggy on kind of
going through the mill in the last three episodes, and
then they'll probably save maybe even like the first half
or like mid season. Season three will get like Casa
Dooms just getting destroyed, and I want them to go
all out. I want to see the bow Rog walking
through these caverns. I want to see the door of
an armies lying up, going to town on this thing
without a Gandalf and just fucking chaos, Like I cannot
wait to see that.
Speaker 2: I think got to blow their whole budget on this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think that's happening this season. I think,
especially if they're really trying to make it five seasons,
maybe at the end of next season, but like realistically,
maybe the fourth. I don't know. I just feel like
it's like, what else are you gonna do with the
wharves after that? Right? Like do we just go elsewhere
with the door?
Speaker 2: Go towear arabor a little Only Mountain.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen that movie, but I know you're talking
about what you're talking about. Yeah, I don't know. I mean,
we're gonna get that at some point in the show,
as long as it doesn't get canceled. So regardless when
it does come, I'm I'm hoping it'll be nice and tense.
But specifically one shot I wanted to shout out and
I was kind of mention this in this spoiler of fresection,
but I think it's when they are like starting to
get like the light back open again, and there's just
like a wide shot of a dwarf like walking down
the steps of Cause of Doom and you just see
like all these flames, like lighting the path and it's
just like, fuck, this looks so beautiful. And then later
on we get another shot of like miners just mining
mythril and you see like all of their scaffolding like
along the side of the wall and it's just like
a big, like massive vein of mithral that they're mining.
It's just, man, I love just seeing this right here,
because you know, no matter what, if if the writing
of the show is terrible and I hate it, I'm
still gonna be rewatching the show just because it's so
fucking visually beautiful, Like it just looks so great that way.
The way that they're able to showcase the vastness of
what Cause of Doom is because you get a little
bit of that in Fellowship of the Ring for sure,
but like to actually see it now in its heights
and it just seems like a massive city, and then
you can just still go like deeper and deeper and
deeper and deeper and deeper, and you know, until you
hit the darkness where the shadow lies. So yeah, I
really just love seeing Cause of Doom here. I loved
in the season one, I'm loving it again here. And
you know, I didn't mind her chasing that little ball there.
For a second, I thought it was like another pellanteer
stone or something. I'm like, what the fuck, They're just
popping in from my daughter. I'm like, Oh, no, it's
gonna be talking to our fires on or something. Though
I'm glad it wasn't, but I didn't mind that. The
humor in that moment. There's just a certain whimsicalness. I
think that like the Dwarves have to them. It's kind
of similar how like the Haarfoots or the Hobbits kind
of have. And I think Deza also just remains like
one of my favorite characters in the show, Like she
is just so fantastic line delivery, like the actress is phenomenal.
But I also just like her as a character, especially
for our for me at least, like my first female
Dwarf that we experienced and Tolkien's mythos, I think she's fantastic.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: What do you guys think is gonna be the future
of I'm just gonna call him Young Duran for now
where he's now print, I guess he's now Prince Duran.
Like I don't really see him ever getting corrupted by anything,
because I don't think he'll be given a ring right
like this will be given to the other factions. Like
I guess he would in theory inherit that one from
his dad, but I don't think we'll get to that
anytime soon. And I feel like he's gonna be just
always kind of our source for I don't know, a
positive future of the Dwarves. He's gonna be on like
the anti corruption side with Disa as well, always supporting
him and like probably catching on, like if something is
starting to change in him, maybe if he doesn't wear
the ring, but he's just around his dad a lot
when they're working in these minds, and then if it
somehow wears off on him or affects him in some way,
I feel like she'd be able to reel him back
in potentially. So I think he'll continue to be good,
but I don't know the way he kind of we
got the scene he gets promoted, and then it kind
of like cuts and then we just see him talking
to Deza afterwards, So like, I wonder if there was
more conversation there or if you just accepted it, or
if he tried to push back. I don't know what
his game plan is in terms of like, man, I
really got to convince my dad, but I also got
the promotion, which I like the promotion, so I'll take it.
Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, I agree with you. I don't think
he's gonna like even if older Durrean dies and he
takes like the reins to the Kingdom, I don't think
it'll be like a father son type dynamic, where like
he just becomes like his father. I definitely think the
fact that he has Deza as like that anchor to
kind of keep him, you know, on the right path,
I think that'll be the big difference amongst those two characters.
I I don't know. I definitely think we're gonna see
old Duran kick the buts or more or less, but
I right now, I'm just I'm not too sure if
it's going to be during the actual events of the
fall of Cause of Doom, or if it's going to
be something else that happens and then we have young
Durn kind of running the show right before the Kingdom
goes down. But I don't know. I I think if
that is the case, it's going to be like old
Durn dies during the event, and then I guess now
young Duran is kind of the one running the show.
But also Kusa Doom's like going down, so not much
of a cast. Yeah, not much of a castle to
be uh running running with there. So yeah, I'm but
I'm like, I'm not too confident on that. I I
think my my if my safest bets are that young
durn are gonna is gonna stay good and then old
Durn's gonna kick the bucket, those would be like the
things I'm the most confident on, but I'm not too
sure when or where that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Not that this is so much of a spoiler.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that, but you're talking about like just
the genealogy, and I didn't realize that Ghimli is related
to the Duran.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: He's not in line for the member of the royal family,
but he is a descendant. But I mostly I was
just thinking, like, okay, well Thorn Oakenshield. And if I remember,
this is where the Hobbit kind of tracks in it,
because they had to leave Casa Doom and then they
formed arabor and then arab Bori has attacked by smog,
so then those Duran's folk go back to retake Moria
get completely fucked up and have to just scatter around.
Speaker 2: And that's where Thorin is.
Speaker 1: M hmm.
Speaker 5: It's interesting Thorin's father was the last Dwarf that had
like a ring of power. He was like the last
like standing guy on there. But yeah, I I don't
know what I was gonna add on top of that,
but thanks for that da that.
Speaker 3: Lore piece.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh that's what I was gonna say. The interesting
thing with like Duran is like technically the title of
Duran is like like technically should only be like one
Duran alive at a time, and then like once old
Duran ceases, than like new Darwin is like he's Duran
at that point. So that's why like the whole point
of like Duran's door and like Duran's folk, it's like
it's like a title more or less, but like it
is their.
Speaker 3: Name, family name, even though it's a first name, I guess.
Speaker 5: But like that's the strange thing, Like, uh, they made
the decision going into the show that that just doesn't
matter really, Like it's just there's gonna be multiple Durance
and and that's just what we're gonna be running with.
Speaker 4: How would that how is that supposed to work then
where your offspring has like name when you die, they
become Duran.
Speaker 5: Maybe they don't have a name until Durwan dies, or
like it's.
Speaker 4: Like when you're on your deathbed, is when you're supposed
to impregnate the prince, you're.
Speaker 5: Duran and waiting at that point. No, that's a good point.
I wasn't too sure.
Speaker 3: Or it could be magic.
Speaker 5: It could be magic, it could be do with the Rings.
Speaker 3: Who knows any other Kazadumian thoughts.
Speaker 1: I love the the door again this show not like
I feel like this show is setting us up for
Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 2: But it's not.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's its own timeline. But man, seeing that door,
it's like, oh, all friends here, Like, man, these this
is probably sticking to the books. So the source material
is being represented here quite well, which again is just
to me sets up that this is a prequel for
the actual The Rings when it's not. They're just following
the source material, but just looking at the design hearing
them talk about it, it's like, man, this is it's
source material, but it still it feels like it's the
same thing.
Speaker 5: That drawing of the door, like it was hand drawn
by Tolkien himself. Like like that actually is his design
for it, which is really cool to see it here.
I thought it was a major lost opportunity that they
didn't have it light up because it's supposed to be
invisible until moonlight hits it, even though we can just
see like the crevices in the rock like right there,
and they didn't and they didn't actually have the moon
like light it up to like showcase that even though
earlier on actually I think it was last week's episode,
Kellen Brimbor is like showing is like Apprentice, like look
at this, and then they go outside and it lights up.
So a bit of a bit of a lost potential,
I guess, but like it's supposed to be hidden, right
like when Gandalf comes across it, it's it's not there
until it lights up. I don't think unless I'm really
mis remembering that, But no, I think you're I don't
even know crevices now. I feel like in my mind
like that the design is there. Yeah, but maybe maybe
I'm misremembering. I'm not sure the amount of times we've
all seen those movies. It's funny, I I it is.
It is one of those things like that you know
in the way that they repeat some lines from Lord
of the Rings movies.
Speaker 4: That does feel a little nostalgia baby, but it worked
for me. Like I'm like, Okay, that was cool. I
like that, but I am very surprised that, like, oh,
that door is built in orangeon and then like shipped
to I was thinking that too, like a pre built door,
Like yeah, I was. I always assumed it was, you know,
built from the stone. Maybe it is built from the
same stone. So they took the stone, transport it, build
like you know, shape it, and then put the magic
and then strip it back.
Speaker 3: It seems like a little.
Speaker 4: Complicated, but you know, more complicated things happened.
Speaker 3: I suppose it's.
Speaker 5: Like how do the hinges work? You know, Like now
I'm overthinking it at this point.
Speaker 4: I mean like even in the first season we talked
about how like I don't know how far Ringian from
Kase of Doom is, but like el Ron was going
back and forth and what felt like it's actually really close,
So maybe so it's not so unrealistic. Then if you
know Newman or was like making a door for like
the Shire or something that would be a bit crazy.
Speaker 5: But yeah, because I think it was after last week
or maybe the week prior, because we're talking about that,
just like how fast it was, so I had to
do some dig in there. It's actually really quite close.
Speaker 3: So in this episode far Lin Lin Dawn is from
a ring.
Speaker 5: On I did not actually very curious. I'm pretty sure
that one's pretty close too, but not as close as I.
Speaker 4: Feel like it should be very far apart based on
like well one their eleven things, so you think they'd
be close, but then based on plot in this show,
you would think that they are on the opposite side
of the earth.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I'm not too sure. I'll look into it
as we're going.
Speaker 1: Oh, looks like you can kind of sort of see
carvings already in the wall.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 3: And then the light the light starts shining and like
makes it blow.
Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, yeah, there we are.
Speaker 4: But when you look at that, it does not look
like the door was installed, you know, very.
Speaker 2: Much part of the mountain and like rock.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not like a tree.
Speaker 4: It's like not like it would grow over way like
maybe over millions of years, but I don't know how long.
How long has is it then, from like this era
to like Lord of the rings two.
Speaker 5: Thousands, right, thousands of years.
Speaker 3: Maybe some rocks could be you.
Speaker 4: Know, crumbling together. Maybe they just round out the differences,
put some put some filler in there.
Speaker 5: I guess that's very true. You know, erosion, get all
some rain drops, just erosion, you know, shuts out to erosion.
Speaker 1: The I guess that kind of adds to the fact
that we won't see the Bourock for quite some time obviously,
because they got to go and install the store and
that's gonna take It's gonna take a few months, I imagine.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it could be.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it looks like Linden's quite quite a way.
It's away from from Better Be and Maria and stuff.
Speaker 3: Like that, just the plot of this show it Better Be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like it looks like it's pretty much like coastal
with like like really far away, whereas of course misty
mountains like Cause of Doom, that's more central. If you
remember a.
Speaker 4: Millery that yeah, okay, I can kind of picture it now,
yeah I will, right, like in the Mirkwood territory.
Speaker 1: Would it be Linden with different Alvin Kingdom?
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, like that whole like much bigger than just
Rivendale Mirkwood I don't think Rivendell's in Mirkwood.
Speaker 2: No, it's not.
Speaker 3: I thought was like a huge area.
Speaker 4: But you know, my knowledge of the Middle Earth map
is based off of Lord of the Rings Risk, which
is gamifying the map, so I'm sure it's not so accurate.
Speaker 5: So picture the Misty Mountains they like run central down
a map. Let's just see for arguments, Like, just picture this,
Rivendell would be on like the left side north of
kind of where what is it a region might be
closer to Causa Doom. And then on the right side
of the Misty Mountains, that's where you get like mark Wood,
like a big and that would be where like like
Legoss is right, that's where the necromance.
Speaker 3: Go through there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, gotcha, it's all making sense now.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Middle Earth geography, geography, Man, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Before we continue on that Middle Earth geography, le's jump
to a quick at break and we'll be right back.
And we're back. I had a note that I wanted
to mention here you guys are talking about Look Haitians
in Linden. Oh my goodness, gracious.
Speaker 4: Ringeon has a doom Mirkwood legless.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't send.
Speaker 3: The door the doorway again, was it not the glowing door?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, from the door talking about something?
Speaker 1: Ah and I can't for the life oh yes, okay,
I remember, Thank you guys. We helped help him an
uh fast travel.
Speaker 2: It was just a thing here.
Speaker 1: So he like one scene where he throws his cape
off and he's running, and I thought he was running
to Uhrigon and he was gonna he got there, but
he just appeared back at Lindon for some random reason,
just to say, like, oh glad, you was right when
he send the armies to I thought he would have
done more damage of this team by going to Arion,
but he just retreated.
Speaker 5: So then we meet the fucking most useless character in
this show so far, the hi King of the fucking
old Door, Bill Gallon of Oh my god, dude, I
was so upset when we're in Linden because I'm like,
we're gonna get more dialogue with Gil Galad. I hate this.
I hate where is then everything he's said. I'm just like,
this guy's such a fucking airhead, Like he's the worst
elf and he's supposed to be the high king of them. Yeah.
I was not a fan of that sequence, but I
didn't really mind the fast travel miss of it. I
figured if l Ron and Crewe were like retreating from
where they were, I imagine they would have went the
way they came. But I agree with you, Taylor, I
think they would have been more effective, you know, for
the forces of good if they actually just went to
a ragion, because then you have him actually see anatar.
But I'm I'm still not too sure if like, when
are characters that know what hell Brand looks like if
they see anatar, if they're gonna be like, holy fuck,
it's the exact same guy, or if they're just gonna
like write it as if it's a different character even
though it's the same actor. Like I'm curious how that
interactions going to go. But it's like your eyes are
so familiar, I wonder what the what you remind me of,
Like I'm curious if it's going to be that or
right away they're just like it's all Brad, it's all.
Speaker 3: I feel like they should be able to recognize him.
Speaker 5: I think so got pointy years now, he's got a cloak,
you know, he's lode hair.
Speaker 1: Super charismatic, though I'd say in this episode, still like.
Speaker 5: Just all the cards, making that chick get all freaking
loose with her Gladual, you look like glad Real that
your light hits your hair.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I did not know. I thought l's
are not supposed to be, Like I don't want to
say I don't want to say easy, because that's very inappropriate,
I feel like, but she was just like like take
me now, anatar, Like I just felt like she was
just totally all there, especially because she got complimented for
looking like another woman that he finds that other lady.
Speaker 5: Someone says, I look like lady Gladial. I'll be yeah, no.
Speaker 2: Ordinary l right there.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I I didn't mind this.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: I think like the execution of it wasn't the best,
but I do like seeing just Saaraon's charisma and like
like how he's able to just win people over because
of his silver tongued words. So I don't mind that.
I I just think like the execution was a little messing,
Like it almost look like a high school rom com
or like rom drum like sequence of like just the
way you're light the light, and like it just seemed
out of nowhere too, like they're talking about what were.
Speaker 4: You talking about that scene they're talking about calibrimboorg because
he was saying, like, right, calib is not himself, so
he was trying to he was planting, he was incepting
her with that idea and then throws in a little
flirting on the on the side.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think there, I think there's cleaner ways
to have that dialogue sequence. But for what was happening
and what was showcasing of just his power of influence
over people like I, I think I was able to
get more of it that way. But yeah, I kind
of chuckled. I'm just like, man, I do like how
they're keeping Glagial just like the gold standard of beauty
this world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: I think where I really enjoyed this whole sequence is
I had some big issues in those earlier episodes when
Anatar was just able to seemingly get his way with
no actual charisma or like good dialogue, Like he just
would wave his hand and people would do exactly what
he said. And there was a couple instances of caln
remember when he was really playing to his ego. We
talked about that, of course in the episodes, but I
felt like this episode did a way better job of
showing that these characters actually do have free will and
they aren't just being mind controlled. So there actually is
like a little bit of opposition people could be against him,
And to me it showed like through really well written
dialogue and good acting in that that he is he
is that guy. He can he can mess with people's minds,
and not in just like a magic way, there is
some magic there, but through just like words and playing
to their insecurities or their dreams. Like I don't know,
he spent a lot of time with this lady. Maybe
she's talked about how she looks up to the Ladrille
a lot, and that's why he thought that that compliment
would be even more affected than it would otherwise. And
I think it was really smart the way that he
kind of positioned the conversation of okay, plant that seed
not trust Calibrin Bore because he wants to have all
control he wants her to be. He wants to sow
chaos within these people, but not make it too over
the top. So he throws that line in there, like
Caliber Moore cannot be trusted after doing all this work,
he's weakened that kind of thing. But then he converts
into the flirting a little bit almost he's like distracted,
like he can't even finish his thought because she's just
so beautiful that it's like taking over him. And so
in that moment, what she's left with is okay, thinking
about this Calibrin Bore thought, and he's not like pushing it,
like do you believe me? Do you think Calibrin Boor
is evil? And really like almost overdoing it instead of
just like shifting to something else and making her just
like fawn over him, really love him. And now that
thought is in this very positive place, this very positive
conversation she had is also this thought of like I
can't really trust calb Brimbore. So I just thought it
was like really really expertly done. It was really really
cool detail to see, even though she's kind of been
just like a random side character because she's been in
a couple of these other episodes, but she got a
lot more screen time in this one, and I think
it's interesting. I think it's good that we get to
see it's not just calim Brimbore making these rings. It's
Cali Brimore and anatar end this like fifteen to twenty
other elves who are working on this forge as well,
So I think it was good, a good angle to
get a little bit more detail about they're kind of
just picking one character here.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 4: We can't spend screen time with all twenties characters. They
can't all have a name, But we're spending time with
this one. And I think it was pretty effective for
what we got here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hundred percent.
Speaker 1: It's funny how Cali Brimbore is just not doing okay
and she just basically told, like, you know, we built
these rings out of de seat, you and me. You
lied to the high King. The only way forward is
to keep making rings like a calibridmore like says the
speech and goes up and starts crying as a little
he's not doing okay, Like he's I don't think he's
gonna come out alive.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna he's gonna die.
Speaker 1: And I feel like at least if anyone were to
kill him, it would be sourn because you don't want
someone who can smith something to have the such power
to be able to smith something to oppose it, I guess,
or I maybe he would even take his own life
because he just can't handle this anymore, Like Jump off
the tower, jump off the tower. I mean when he
when he walks off that balcony, he sees like the
army of Orcs. I mean, he's gonna be pretty shocked,
Like what's he gonna do?
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, he's gonna be like dennisthor light himself on
fire and leap off.
Speaker 2: Just so screaming my.
Speaker 5: Line is ended. Yeah, I don't think he's gonna make
it out of the the siege of a region. I
I think I think he's gonna be like a big
moment of him realizing what he's done and then he
has to live with that till the end of his days,
even though they might be brief from that point of
like realization. I don't know. It's an interesting character that
maybe I maybe I thought that he was like a
lot wiser and smarter that going into the show, like
maybe this is actually quite accurate to his character. I'm
not too familiar with him specifically, like like back in
the books and the just just that era of it.
But because I think initially to me, it's just like, man,
this guy's just such a dufist, Like everything that anatar
says is so sus and he's just like, oh, that's
a good idea. Yeah, it's a lie of the high
king and keep the forges going. And then he like
doesn't want to make these rings for men because men
are corruptible. And then Anatar is like, well, I'm gonna
do him anyways, and he's like okay, and he just
doesn't say anything like at the end of the day,
you're the lord of Aragon, like for the smiths, like
you have the say to just put an end of this,
but you're just gonna let this random guy, this random
Jesus like character that I guess from his perspective, like
he actually sees it as basically someone that's come from
like that, like from Valinor so it's like it is
like an angelic bean. So maybe that is kind of
what's allowing him to look past it. But I don't know,
it just seems sussery. But when we have dialogue between
Anatar in him, I do like those sequences because it's
just more of Anatar choosing. It's like it's like it's
an RPG, like elder schools are fallout and he's like
choosing all the right dialogue options and he's just like
winning every single one. And that's that's I do like
seeing that showcased, and like initially before they started the
forging of the Rings, he was really just and I
think he still is to an extent. He's really just
leaning into kelbrin Boor's ego and that like that's such
a big thing with the Elves, especially around this time.
I would imagine of just like them being these master craftsmen,
and like earlier he was bringing up like the name
of fean Or and how like he's just kind of
been calib Brinbor has been like just overshadowed by his
craftsmanship and how amazing he was at making things. So
I don't know, I'm kind of in the middle, Like
I like, I like the way that he's being fooled,
even though it seems like as an outside viewer it
seems like you should be able to see through some
of these things. But so I think for the most part,
I'm in the positive on everything that's kind of going
around calibrin Borg. Even though I thought going into it
he was going to be like a really wise character,
and that's not saying he isn't, but he's just very
much being played by Souron, And I liked how he
even has a line in here right where it's like
I forget specific what he says, but it's like someone
noted that like Anatar, it's like like he's he's good
at like making let's say Anatar is talking to me,
He's good. He's good at making me think that my
idea is my idea. Even though it was was.
Speaker 1: That Durham that said that when he was confronting.
Speaker 5: I think it was. I can't quite remember, but I
just really liked that line right there and then and
then Anatar like changes the subject and then and then
he like brings up something else and then calibrin Boor
is like, oh men, is that who you' talk about?
Like it's just like he gets played in that moment,
even though he like commented on it. So I liked
all of that stuff that happened. I apologize the major paraphry,
it's all that dialogue there, but yeah, I like what's
going on with the reggaeon even though it's not it's
not going well for the Elves or men or dwarves.
Speaker 1: No, And I think it's it's neat to actually see
an Elf in this position, just being at the full front,
just corrupted and just blasted by Saron's charisma and perspective,
and it's just it's breaking him. And now Saren's like, oh,
we'll find nine of the most purest, hardest men out there.
I will give them these rings and they'll be incorruptible.
It's like, well, that's it's crazy because it's just such
a huge shot towards men because you take the most
peak I guess men in all of Middle Earth and
you corrupt them. So it really just shows how strong
Saron is.
Speaker 3: That so yeah, yeah, no, very well said. I think there's.
Speaker 4: Truth to what you're saying there, kind of like there
are a couple moments when it feels like, calibrimber, what
are you doing? I think for me that's mostly in
like the prior episodes, I think in this one, it
like mostly makes sense what's going on. Like, I think
it was really a great moment to see from him,
for him to call out anatar. I'm like, hey, man,
you know notice how you do this thing. Yeah, you
say this thing to someone, you make them think that
they thought it in the first place. Like he's just
calling out the idea of inception pretty much to him.
Speaker 2: So I like that.
Speaker 4: But I love that the way that anatar like gets
around that is just like yeah, well, anyway, we gotta
we gotta make some rings right now. And I thought
I thought this one was both funny but also compelling,
where he's like, Okay, we gotta make these nine rings
and calib Brimber's like, no, I think we've we've done enough.
Speaker 3: We we made the rings that we said we were
going to. We'ren't gonna make anymore.
Speaker 4: And then he's like, okay, well I'm just gonna go
make them without you then, and then Calibrimberg just has
like a surprise Pikachu face. He's like, oh, what, You're
gonna go.
Speaker 3: And make this without me?
Speaker 4: So I think it just took him a bit to
re calibrate and be like, uh, okay, I didn't expect that,
Like I've trusted this guy so far and like personably
the weeks or maybe even months that they've been working
together at this point. But then like in that very
next scene after that is when he goes to him
and he's like, you know, this is against the High
Kings orders, like.
Speaker 3: We can't we can't do this.
Speaker 4: Uh And then and I thought this was like the
really expert part from what Anatar did where he's like, yeah, okay,
we could do that. We could we could stop making
these rings right now, but like we've already had this
level of deception to it. So there's kind of like
these two roads. We can go that way or we
can just make more rings. And to me, it's kind
of funny the way that comes out, But like, at
the end of the day, who is Calibrin boor he's
just a guy that likes making shit, you know, specifically
he's making rings. So when he calls him out, I
think it was really smart where he's like, okay, you
can go one or the other. One way is you've
already gone against the high King, so we can go
tell him that. You can go to Lyndon right now
and tell him that you betrayed his trust and lied
to him and see how that goes. Or you can
do the thing you love doing more than anything else,
which is making shit. And so I think that was
like a really really well done scene. And then the
one after that, it's when they're making the rings and
Calibrim was not helping. He's just kind of walking around
the studio just like, what the hell are these guys up?
To and then Anatar is like showing how this is
not going very well, and he's like, you know what,
it would help a lot if you just helped us
make these rings. And I think that was purposeful that
he did that in that.
Speaker 3: Moment with everyone else around.
Speaker 4: So it made it like to Calibrin Bore, It's like, Okay,
now I feel like I'm letting down all these people,
not just Anatar. It's not like a secret conversation between
the two of them. So I just feel like, once again,
like Anatar the way he's playing Caliber Moore was like
expert in this episode, because I still felt like Calibrin
Moore had.
Speaker 3: Agency of his zone.
Speaker 4: He wasn't being mind controlled, but Anatar was like just
playing on that stuff of like, man, you already portrayed
the high cane. Do you want to admit that or
do you want to just kind of go go ahead
with what we're doing here so I have the pacing
of it was was really cool. A question I had
on this was so they talked about how, okay, we
kind of already some of these rings, like the Dwarven.
Speaker 3: Rings are not very good.
Speaker 4: Maybe there's some issues with the Elven rings too, and
they're talking about like, Okay, we're gonna make these nine
rings and we're gonna try and he had the line
of like we're gonna try and take power from the
three rings, and then we're gonna redeem the seven rings,
I think is what he said, Like, yeah, is in
the creation of these new rings, are they somehow balancing
the power of these other rings? Like they're not planning
to recall the other rings and make them again? Like yeah,
can you explain what's what's going on there?
Speaker 5: The way that I took it from that dialogue sequence
was they made the three rings that were like perfect
and everything was good, everyone's happy, and then he made
the seven rings through deceit, like he he lied to
the High King, and in doing that, it basically brought
up some some darkness. And that's kind of what anatar
mentions to him, where it's like, did you do something
to the rings? Like, no, I didn't do anything, and
then he you know, dramatic pause, we did. Yes, he
did something, And it's because that they made them through
like deceit. And I love that. I love the way
that line was delivered and just what the line was,
because I think that something that can be definitely misunderstood
in just Middle Earth, and Tolkien's mythos is like the
idea around magic and how it works. And I think
that's totally fitting. He could have been fucking lying right
to his face just to do, you know, sour on things.
But I think that actually has traction, And like, because
we did this in a dark manner of like lying
to the high King. In doing that, there's probably some
corruption and stuff that like came out of it, and
that could have been a lie. But for me, you know,
I'm not the most well versed in these things, but
I've definitely I was definitely a delve master to an
extent of diving into the lore. Like I think that
actually tracks. I think that could definitely be like an
accurate thing. I don't know if that actually is what
it is, but I liked how it was said in
a way that even Calibrinbor kind of believed him in
that moment, And even if he wasn't doing well or
or not like emotionally or psychologically, I think it's a
still a believable thing to bring about it. So we
made the three, we made the seven. That was like
a bad batch, and then we're gonna do nine the
right way and that'll kind of redeem us, like redeem
our sins and like fix the seven. I don't know
how that, like if you were to explain that to
like Galadrille or like Gill Gallad, like if they would
be thinking the same way. I definitely think Calibrin Boor
is just kind of grasping at straws here, like he
feels like he is tainted, did this horrible thing, and
this is kind of the only way to kind of
redeem himself, which is definitely not the case, but that's
what happens when Saraon gets his grimmy little fingers on
you you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And then I think you know on that too.
Like Calibrin Bore, he kind of turns into like a
bit of a task master in a way that we
haven't seen him before, where he's a bit brutal with
his like they were like we made these rings perfectly
to all these specifications. He's like, did you was every
hammer strike perfec Like he's calling them out, which is
like a different side for him. But then like after
that and once again expert thing from anatar to like
make him the bad guy in this situation, and people
want to go to him instead as like a more
trusting figure because he'll flirt with you and he'll tell
you nice things, and they'll tell you that every Hammer's
joke is perfect, so it's perfect. But then I think
it's it's great that like calibrinmore like the last scene
we see with him Taylor, as mentioned, is like he's
like in a corner, he's got his hands, his head
in his hands, and he's like, what the fuck is
going on here? Like after all these like the days
of hard work, He's like, man, what is actually going
on here? And I guess part of it is like, man,
if you're making these corrupt rings that are messing with
people's minds in the case of Duraan, like that's going
to affect you too in some way, right, Like that's
going to affect your brain chemistry. And so it's a
mixture of anatar he's messing with his mind, he's toying
with him, then also working with these materials that like
have a way of actually changing people's minds.
Speaker 3: So it makes it makes all of the stuff that's
going on with Calibrin Moore a little bit more believable
for me.
Speaker 4: So that's where I feel like, Man, he's actually like
a well rounded character in this episode, and who would
have thought a well rounded character is more entertaining than
just like some really one note cheesy guy that he
was like earlier this season.
Speaker 3: So it's all good stuff.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see what happens with his character
going forward. And as I mentioned, as I joke it,
as I messed up earlier with the Newman, or now
we're going with this Orc invasion of Orangiana, we don't
have much time to like, maybe we don't have much
time to see what's gonna happen there, and I maybe
want there to be a little bit more time to
just flesh some of that stuff out, which is good.
But at the same time, this or invasion could be
really compelling stuff as well. So curious to see how
that will, uh, how that sequence will go down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, absolutely, it definitely seems right around the corner.
And I don't know how long it really takes to
make these rings. It seems like we just kind of
rushed through the process. Like I was kind of surprised.
The opening of this episode is like Duran with all
the seven that aren't even just on his finger, but
like they're all in Kasa Doom like made delivered probably
free shipping today, you know, like that Amazon Prime delivery.
So I was pretty just surprised by how fast it happened.
But it is already episode five, right.
Speaker 4: And that's always the trigger thing with the show is
like just the time scale of stuff, Like we didn't
see any Dwarf or or Ringyon elf stuff last episode,
so it's like, yeah, okay, maybe months have gone by
or years, right, just because of the scale of what's
going on on the stage, it's kind.
Speaker 3: Of tricky to say.
Speaker 5: And they did say they're already condensing the timelines right
like from the start of the show, which I think
makes sense, Like to have a thousand year old.
Speaker 4: Yeah, time jumper like that seems to work with it's
still potentially a lot of stuff to judge through, so.
Speaker 5: It makes sense even if I'm like, because I was
reading through a Warhammer book not too long ago, and
like there's like a thousand year time jumps in that,
and just in a book even can be so confusing
because it's like you're reading about something that happens and
then the start of the next page is like it's
been two and a half centuries since the reign of
this and it's just like, what the fuck are you serious? Okay,
I guess we're just this is the way, This is
the way the world's going right now. But Dylan I
brought up I found it's actually an interactive nice Middle
Earth map and this is on artamaps dot org arta dash.
Speaker 4: Not a secure website you know, play with.
Speaker 5: And it's fantastic though, because you can choose what age
you want to look at, so the way the map
is and the first age for the second age. But
I just want to bring this up for a couple
of reasons. So oops, down here's a rag Yon and
then that's because it right next to it, so really
nice and quick. And then of course you have Mirkwood
right right here, which is riven Dell is probably like
up here a little bit. And then this it would
be like where the shire is. Oh my god, I'm
all over the place kind of in this area, not
on the and then Linden.
Speaker 3: The other side of all the shire stuff too pretty.
Speaker 5: Much, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: If sour On wins, he'd have to go through the
Shire to get to Linden.
Speaker 5: Oh and the fucking funniest thing ever, right is, at
the end of season one, we have a shot of
sourn somewhere in Mount Doom for just a dramatic image
saying that it's sour on right, hal Brand, He's just
he's in mor door looking at Mount Doom. And then
the next next day, Oh my god, I'm all over
the place of.
Speaker 2: This the way out there swimming.
Speaker 5: He's all the way in the north at the start
of the first season, right, which would have been somewhere east.
But yeah, this maps it's great, but it's not the
easiest words. I also wanted to come over to New Minor. Whoa, yeah,
that's pretty far away, whole island called, Yes, this is
the island of New manir And then.
Speaker 3: What's actually in the city that we've been spending time in.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure it's a randoor like down here.
Speaker 3: Oh I think you're right. I think I've seen that
in this area.
Speaker 5: And then if if it's true to what they said
in the show, technically an arion somewhere west on the
island as of right now.
Speaker 1: Are like fortress, like human stronghold.
Speaker 3: An island has probably got cities all over it.
Speaker 5: Right, Oh yeah, percent that's what I mean, like, like
everything that we've seen so far of Newmanor, it's been
just of this city. But like I think there's still
a lot more to kind of explore here, as well
as the location of an Areon. So Taylor an Aaron
that's a seal Door's brother, so Alendial's uh first son,
second son, whatever the hell he is. An Arion actually
founded Arnor, which is like the kingdom of of Men
in the north, so that like a lot of the
Rangers in the time of like Aragon, like that's kind
of where they are because the Witch King fucked up
that kingdom early in the in the third age there.
But yeah, this is a great map. Definitely go check
out this website if you're curious for here, and then
of course down here's more door. No uh no, how.
Speaker 2: Far did he go from Mordor Tori.
Speaker 5: Or?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how how far was his journey where he went.
Speaker 3: From Ringion to Mordor and then back to.
Speaker 5: Rig So he was so at the end of the
season one, right, they're all like near here. I think
we're like somewhere down here because they land and then
they're going to Mortar and then they get fucked and then.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but even before that he was actually yeah, he
is yeah, and then went there and then went to
he knows, and he was in the Southlands for a bit,
which I guess the Southlines are just south of Mordor, right,
is that area down there?
Speaker 5: Well then you know, yeah, like it's it's pretty damn big, run.
Speaker 3: Down, pretty small area.
Speaker 5: They even have Vallenor in here, like this is a
pretty sick.
Speaker 2: They have Vaalenor in the risk though, No, definitely not.
Speaker 3: It doesn't go that.
Speaker 4: It doesn't newman Or is not even in that. They
should make a new one of Rings of Power.
Speaker 2: We already sunk. I guess at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess maybe it is there. It's just under
under some water.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 5: What else did I have to say, Rayyn, I think
that was kind of it? Uh yeah, I already Oh,
actually that's what I was gonna say. I loved the
description that I forget the lasses name, but Killer Brimbourg's,
you know, the lesser glad real in comparison that lady,
the blonde lady.
Speaker 4: It was like marialdian or something I wrote down.
Speaker 5: Definitely definitely starts with a N M M I R
something like that. But I I love the moment when
she's kind of describing what she saw like in the unseen,
like when she was wearing the ring and like she
was clearly seeing sour On in his true form of
just like the flame, and then just like the absolute
terror that it just brought her. I I I love
that so much. I love like the moment of like
just terror that she had of like seeing that and
and not just seeing him, but like being in the
unseen and like just feeling like you're in a hell
escape Mardonia. Yeah, Mardonia, great name, but I I just
loved what that was and how Anatar played it like
super cool and he's like, oh yeah, well that's kill Brenbor.
That's what you saw there, and it's just like, what really,
that's what he is? And I I think, on one hand,
it's like, Okay, that's that's a pretty wild sight to
just just see there, and like I feel like you
need a more like a deeper explanation. But it's also
just like the fear that she has, like like she's
so scared of what that of what she saw and
she knows that she saw it, and then now she's
getting an answer from this this wise man that like
this is who it is and and this is why
it's happening, and like it's just like right away she's
she's believing him. That's even before the gladial line. I think, so.
I I just like how that sequence kind of went about,
even though, as I was saying earlier, like initially when
she's invisible, I'm like, really, come on, that should be
the one ring that does that. But uh, I digress.
Speaker 2: He was testing it out.
Speaker 3: He was definitely, Yeah, they're prototyping.
Speaker 5: Which is weird because like that doesn't even Yeah, I'm
not even to go I'm not even gonna compare, and
let's not even do it.
Speaker 1: Why is it sour On himself doesn't turn invisible when
he puts the ring on.
Speaker 5: That's what I was gonna talk about. But uh, thanks Taylor.
You know, the ring affects like other people differently, Like
Sourn is a bean that lives uh in the land
of the scene and the unseen. So an example of
someone that only lives in the unseen is like the Nausechool.
So the Nauschool only are in the unseen. That's why
when Froda wears the ring, he sees them like they're
in all white, and the reason why they're not all
white in the land of the scene is because they're
not actually physically there, like they're wearing like a cloak,
where if you took the cloak off, like there just
wouldn't be anything there, Like they're invisible. Yeah, and I
use invisible like air quote because that's what happens to
Frodo or Bilbo or like whoever when they wear the
ring they go. They don't go invisible, they go to
the other realm of the unseen. And I guess just
in this instance, Yeah, he's just trying out things. They
added a little bit too much myth throw I think
that was the like the example or the explanation. Rather,
I'm like why that happened? And uh, I don't know.
I guess if I had a candidate for the show too.
It's like anatar probably specifically intended to do that, so
that kiln Brimborge just gets flustered. It's like I have
to do it myself, Like I guess I have to
be involved in this in this right, because that's what
he says. He's like, Oh, I I think we added
too much myth And he's like, what you added that,
It's like, Okay, didn you look at my notes? Yeah,
I guess I have to do this. And then Anataar
is like, to his little smirk.
Speaker 1: He's probably looking at the other I was like, hey,
let's you know, we're gonna fuck with Merindia.
Speaker 2: Watch this makes her going visible?
Speaker 5: Was something crazy? I also thought it was wild because
at some point, like an anvil just like drops from
the ceiling and I'm like, who the fuck just has
that anvil just like suspended? Do the Willem dafoe, you know,
get looking up and that thing hanging above you. That's
terrifying image.
Speaker 2: But why did it drop?
Speaker 1: Was it just Mirandia just swinging.
Speaker 3: Swinging around?
Speaker 4: Not a very safely designed forge, even though it's the
world's most important forge and most expensive forge. But they're
just hanging fu death equipment from the roof.
Speaker 2: Apparently that's how they'll fight the orcs.
Speaker 4: When the orcs coming, they'll drop through the traps. Yeah,
just have a bunch of anvils set up everywhere. Very
video gaming.
Speaker 5: Kevin McAllister, paint cans hanging up, Oh my.
Speaker 3: God, that's so good.
Speaker 2: Well, anything else, I think I've exhausted my notes.
Speaker 4: I guess just the I guess just the cliffhanger. The
end of the episode quick sequence, there were glad rill
Is with the Orcs. She gets really from the cage.
Speaker 3: And then at our fiendishly says that I didn't want
to capture you.
Speaker 4: I wanted to work with you against dark common enemy.
So I guess the common enemy is saur On somehow discovered.
Speaker 5: That the race of men.
Speaker 4: Yeah maybe, Yeah, it's weird because when he when Adar
killed that guy in the cave and he turned to Goo,
it looked different. So where he still don't really know
how he knows this stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's just he's just under the like because the
whole season he's been like Sourn's out there, like he's
not actually yeah, he's dead, but I don't think he
actually knows what he looks like. I think maybe like
the pairing up of the two of them, I don't know,
it's interesting because like they're pairing up, but like at Ours,
at Ours folk, I almost just called them at Ours.
Orcs are also still invading a reggaeon right, like we
saw that in the Trader, like that is going to happen.
It's curious where this alliance is kind of good.
Speaker 4: I mean, she doesn't have a hard choice right now
if she either dies or she works with him to
some extent, at least in a fake way.
Speaker 5: I just gonna take his eye out. That little hair
clip thing. She had.
Speaker 2: Definitely use him to get into the city.
Speaker 1: And I remembered now, so Anatar definitely alluded to uh
Adar that Saron this is what Saraen looks like, what
Saron is in a rigion? Didn't he say that to
him a few episodes ago, because I thought he planted
that seed, like I can go in there and bring
him out, like that's the whole point of the planet.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that was hal Brand's pitch, Harand's pitch.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Okay, that.
Speaker 5: He gets that one orc to trail him.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's where he says.
Speaker 1: Made these rings, He's sarn kill him.
Speaker 5: Mm. That honestly, that could be that could that could happen,
That that very well could happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Oh that's one last thing I was gonna say. I
we got a three key men name drops from from
Anatar when he's basically just talking about you know when
you find great men, and then they start bringing up
the names of like Baron, which you guys were Baron Luthian.
It was briefly mentioned in uh Fellowship when uh I
think they're at weather Top and they're all kind of sleeping,
and then uh Aragon is singing a song and then
Frodo's asking about it and he's telling him it's it's
about Luthian, and like the tale of Baron and uh
big big player in like the Cimarillion book, both Baron
and Luthian, and I just I love that story. It's
it's it's a really like key Tolkien story. I find
too because even in like Peter Jackson's version of the film,
like the Parallel of Aragorn and Arwing, it's like the
exact same situation where Baron was a man and then
Luthian was an elf, and it's just like this forbidden
love and how it's gonna work, and it's the exact
same thing there. And I might not be too accurate
on this, but someone told me that that was also
like supposed to be like about Tolkien's own relationship with
his wife and how it was like obviously she wasn't
an elf. Maybe she was, but it was just that
was his motivation to like do that tale from the
get go, and then it's just kind of this like
this like most important love story throughout the entire Tolkien mythos,
and it just keeps popping up. So I love that
we got the name drop there Baron. And then I
believe he said Tuor and Turin or something like that.
Those are the other two which more big players in
the Simarillion. But yeah, I just liked just like that
sequence and how he was saying how we need to
get the best of men from New Minor to the
to the east, right as far as Run, and he
actually mentions Rune, which I don't know all the names
of the Nau school, but big big one is Kamul
the Easterling, which is very much from Run. So that
was kind of cool just to get that there. That's
that's the one that actually is in the shire, like
the first one that's interacting kind of with with our
hobbits when they're running from farmer maggots crops.
Speaker 1: You know, when does he become the witch king of Angmar?
Speaker 5: No that is I forget his name, but now Kamul
is like the next number two. I guess, like which
king would be the number one? And then Kamus, that guy.
Speaker 2: And that's so cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it. I can't wait. I can't wait
to meet these fucking men that are just gonna perish
and get corrupted. I can't wait. I don't think it's
happened in this season, but uh maybe at the end,
maybe at the end.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I guess the making of these nine
rings is in theory gonna be uh yeah, gonna be
delayed because of the potential orc attack the city.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, very true. I'm hoping it's like a again
Amazon Prime delivery to day from the time that they
ordered them. They just get in two days flying on
the wings of an eagle, same one that fucking eagles
sponsored Farazon apparently.
Speaker 3: Clearly, yeah, you can just pay them all off.
Speaker 5: Apparently like I went in the wrong door. I was
not supposed to be in that tower. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see Sarah on sales pitch when he
meets these men.
Speaker 2: I give them the rings.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's take much.
Speaker 5: I don't think it takes it. That looks cool.
Speaker 1: Same thing he said, Yeah, this looks cool, same thing
he said to the elves earlier, right, like we see.
Speaker 2: Something cool.
Speaker 5: Or it just falls the gladial's feet and she picks
it up. Yeah, just like be the exact same thing
fall at the men's feet.
Speaker 3: I'm noteless over here, noteless, no less.
Speaker 1: All right, well, ladies, gentlemen, thank you for tuning in
to episode five, Rings of Power.
Speaker 2: Spoilers off you.
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with episode six, straight up
to the finale. And we got Agatha starting up next
week so be sure to check that out, and Penguins
starting up too. There's a whole shows, oh my goodness,
so lots of stuff coming your way.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, we will see you in the search bar.
Speaker 1: See yay, I really dried