1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:04,799 Speaker 1: Yes, indeed. 2 00:00:04,919 --> 00:00:07,679 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you have to sell the show, and 3 00:00:07,719 --> 00:00:10,480 I can tell you right now this year recap podcast 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,119 is gonna sell itself. It is the Fight Freaks You 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,120 Unit recap pod. I am you know what, I am 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:17,879 the caddie to. 7 00:00:17,839 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: Tiger Woods here on this edition of the program. 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,359 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna hand him the seven iron and swing away. Hello, 9 00:00:23,519 --> 00:00:26,559 Dan Rayfield, our insider Fight Freaks You Unite is his 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,280 substack after all the newsletter as well. 11 00:00:30,039 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: Good to have you aboard again. 12 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 2: We love previewing going into the weekend on this podcast feed. 13 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,799 Recap coming off the podfeed it is. You love this 14 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,560 an eagerly anticipated edition of the show, so much so 15 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:48,000 that since the controversy with was it a knockdown or not? 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,799 Why in the world is he allowed to have his 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,320 eyes wiped off while a round's going on and there's 18 00:00:53,359 --> 00:00:57,039 not some kind of penalty punishment point taken away, We're 19 00:00:57,039 --> 00:00:58,119 ready to straighten all of that out. 20 00:00:58,159 --> 00:00:59,359 Speaker 1: As soon as all that happened. 21 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: A lot of people were ready for this here pod 22 00:01:02,439 --> 00:01:04,439 right here that we have on the Fight for Each 23 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,920 Night recap podcast. So make sure you're following, subscribing, radius 24 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,280 and review us. I say eagerly anticipating because I've had 25 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,640 people contacting me, and I know you've had people contacting you, 26 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:17,959 including on social media, wanting to know the latest and 27 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,159 when is the podcast out and when can we hear more? 28 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,599 And what's the under over on f bombs, which I 29 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,879 will set at twenty seven on the number of less 30 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:30,159 than twenty seven. Yes, we do not have a swear jar. 31 00:01:30,359 --> 00:01:31,480 Usually there's a swear jar. 32 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,359 Speaker 3: Where did you mention what fight we're talking about? 33 00:01:33,359 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 2: By the way, I just said Javonte Davis at Javonte 34 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,840 Davis Main Event PBC on Prime. Usually there's a swear jar. 35 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,239 We got to put like a quarter in or a 36 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,680 dollar in. You might get enough where I could go 37 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,920 to McDonald's and have an extra value meal after tonight. 38 00:01:45,599 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: With this, all right, welcome in. 39 00:01:48,319 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: Let's get into all of it, including the card, but 40 00:01:50,239 --> 00:01:52,200 a lot of it is going to be spent on 41 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,840 the controversy around this draw. It ends up being a 42 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,840 draw with Lamont Roach in the main event at Berkley's. 43 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,159 We're going to get into that. We got news on 44 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,000 other stuff and nostalgia. We got a lot of fights 45 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,799 to recap. This wasn't the only controversy Rayphiel, because the 46 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,400 controversy in Belfast is did Patty Donovan hear the bell 47 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:18,360 or not he's deqed there after the referee in that instance, 48 00:02:18,439 --> 00:02:21,080 we got controversy transatlantic here on the program. But let's 49 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:26,039 begin with what happened in the main event, Gervonte Davis 50 00:02:26,719 --> 00:02:30,759 and LaMonte Roach. All right, three two one, blast off 51 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:32,800 on whichever way you want to go first, it does 52 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:33,479 end in a draw. 53 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,879 Speaker 3: Well, I had it a draw one fourteen to one fourteen. 54 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:41,439 But if you watch the fight, you saw what happened 55 00:02:41,439 --> 00:02:44,039 in the ninth round. If the referee Steve Willis had 56 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,759 ruled that a knockdown as he should have, I would 57 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,280 have had that round a ten eight round and he 58 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,800 would have won the fight one fifteen to one thirteen. 59 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,879 He would have won the WBA lightweight title. He would 60 00:02:53,879 --> 00:02:56,439 have handed the number one American boxing star his first loss, 61 00:02:57,039 --> 00:03:00,599 and he would have been in position to command gazillions 62 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:03,759 of dollars more than he probably would be on a rematch. 63 00:03:03,759 --> 00:03:05,639 That they do it now, because he would be the champion, 64 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,639 and he would have defeated Tank Davis, and it would 65 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,560 have been a glorious night for the career of Lamont Roach, 66 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:13,400 a fighter, by the way, who most people pissed on 67 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:16,919 before this show happened and didn't like the opponent. And 68 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:20,639 I remember very distinctly discussing with you and others over 69 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,479 the last couple of months since his fight is mate, 70 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,199 and I've said to everybody who would listen, this is 71 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:27,560 a real fight. Lamont Roach may not have the big 72 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,520 name that some of the other fighters in the weight 73 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,479 class in and around the way class have that you 74 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,759 might prefer to see. Whoever it may have been, of 75 00:03:33,759 --> 00:03:36,479 course Stevenson, t Fia, Momopez, you know, pick a guy, 76 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,439 But Lamon Roach is a real fighter and Realmont Roach 77 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,080 is going to do a good fight. Didn't I didn't 78 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,479 pick him to win the fight, but I thought it's 79 00:03:43,479 --> 00:03:45,560 a legit bout. He's going to be in it, and 80 00:03:45,599 --> 00:03:48,080 he's going to make it competitive, and there is a 81 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,439 reason that he's in this matchup. And I was proven right. 82 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:54,120 He should have had the glory of a lightweight championship, 83 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,199 be a two division title holder, because he is still 84 00:03:56,199 --> 00:03:58,400 the reigning WBA title holder in the one hundred and 85 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,759 thirty pound way class. But TJ, where shall we start 86 00:04:00,759 --> 00:04:01,520 with this nonsense? 87 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,319 Speaker 2: Well, you just you set the stage, everybody, let's go 88 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,319 to the end. Everybody wants to know about the controversy 89 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,840 in the ninth round. You and I were not in communication, 90 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:14,680 full disclosure, and you're never in communication when fights are 91 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,480 going on. You're like, leave me alone, don't text me, 92 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:19,560 don't believe me. Whatever, it is, all right. So I 93 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,360 am in another world working college basketball coverage, different stuff. 94 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,120 But then I got onto the main event about halfway 95 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,199 through the fight when that was done, and I was 96 00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:34,800 dumbfounded by That's my word. I was dumbfounded by what 97 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,360 I saw on several front. So let's just go right 98 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:41,600 to the controversy. You're watching like I'm watching remotely. Did 99 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:44,399 you lose your mind when this whole thing happened with 100 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,199 the knee and then he's in the corner and then 101 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,279 the referee is having a full blown conversation about whether 102 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,160 he should be counting or not counting. I will say 103 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,600 it for the first of several times, what are we 104 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:56,319 doing here? 105 00:04:56,759 --> 00:04:59,319 Speaker 3: The broadcasters on the Prime video pay per view Marrow, 106 00:04:59,399 --> 00:05:04,079 Ronalo app Mas, Brian Campbell, Uh, we're all Bryant, I 107 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,800 mean Abner Marris seemed to think that Tank Davis was 108 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,120 going to his corner because he didn't bring out his mouthpiece, 109 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:11,959 which even if that was the case, he would be 110 00:05:11,959 --> 00:05:14,439 breaking the rules if he would. If that were the case, 111 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:16,720 he'd point to his mouth and the referee would see 112 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,399 it and call a time out and go and get 113 00:05:18,399 --> 00:05:22,120 the mouthpiece. Marol Ronaldo was dead on when he basically said, 114 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,079 what you said, what are we doing here? What just happened? 115 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,800 Because here's the bottom line. In the more than one 116 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:32,319 century that men have put gloves on their hands and fought. 117 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:35,600 If you go down on the canvas and it's not 118 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:41,600 a slip, it's not a equipment malfunction, it's not a foul, 119 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,079 and you, of your own volition, you voluntarily go down 120 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:48,879 on your knee, that, my friend, is a knockout and 121 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,399 or a knocked out down and it has been that 122 00:05:51,439 --> 00:05:56,040 way for a century. And so before he took the knee, 123 00:05:56,519 --> 00:05:59,040 there were three punches thrown by Lamont roach. He threw 124 00:05:59,079 --> 00:06:01,360 a right hand and he came behind it with two 125 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:03,680 quick jabs. Now I don't believe that the right hand 126 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:05,680 landed the jab. I think one or two of them did. 127 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,079 You couldn't really tell. But regardless, within the split second 128 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:11,839 of that happening, of those punches being launched by Lamont Roach. 129 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:18,000 Tank Davis literally took he turned to the side and 130 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,839 he went down on the canvas with his knee, got 131 00:06:20,959 --> 00:06:24,199 up and then sprinted to his corner. And you didn't 132 00:06:24,199 --> 00:06:26,040 know what he was doing, but he was shouting at 133 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,439 somebody and his coach, Calvin Ford in the corner, came 134 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:31,399 up on the steps with a white towel. I thought 135 00:06:31,399 --> 00:06:32,800 he was thrown in the towel for a quick secon 136 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,879 when I saw the white towel, but he just wiped off. 137 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,439 Speaker 2: I honestly, my honest reaction is I thought it was 138 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,399 the mouthpiece, but they were wiping his eyes, which he 139 00:06:40,439 --> 00:06:41,439 talked about after the fire. 140 00:06:41,519 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: Well, we didn't know that at the time. You're like, 141 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,319 well at the time. So meanwhile, and by. 142 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: The way, completely illegal, completely illegal to do that in 143 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:49,759 the middle of a round. 144 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,759 Speaker 3: I'm going to get to that simultaneous to uh the 145 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,800 referee Steve Willis, uh, you know, to Tank getting up 146 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,600 and run into the corner. Steve Willis appropriately sends Roach 147 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,959 to the neutral corner like you're supposed to do, and 148 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,439 starts to walk towards Tank Davis, who's back is to him, 149 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,040 but he's got his fingers up and he's starting to 150 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:12,199 administer the mandatary a yes, so he's calling it a knockdown, okay, 151 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,720 And then he stopped calling a knockdown, and Tank Davis 152 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:17,279 turned around and he went over to him, and you 153 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:19,040 could hear him because he was micd up. And if 154 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,360 you watch the replayer, go on your social media find 155 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:22,959 the clip, you distinctly hear. 156 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: Uh. 157 00:07:23,959 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: Steve Willis basically say to him, what's going on? And 158 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:29,079 then Tank Davis says something back. You don't hear what 159 00:07:29,079 --> 00:07:31,959 he's saying because he's not Mike, and Steve Willis says, quote, 160 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,519 I understand you take an ee like that. It looks 161 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:36,560 like a knockdown, all right, And then he patted him 162 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,279 on the chest and he sent him back out to battle. 163 00:07:38,639 --> 00:07:39,959 And you know why he said it looks like a 164 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,519 knockdown because it wasn't knocking. 165 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: It was a knockdown. 166 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,959 Speaker 3: So there is this is there's like a cascading pile 167 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,680 of shit that's happening right now. Okay, let me go 168 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:53,560 through this so you'd be quiet for a second. On 169 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,680 the one hand, he fucks up the knockout of the 170 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:56,600 knockdown call. 171 00:07:56,759 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: There's a first F word he's true. 172 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. He calls it and then he abandons it. 173 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:05,240 So he should have called that a knockdown, and that 174 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:08,199 would have been a ten eight round unequivocally. Then he 175 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,920 could have penalized Tank for running to the corner, turning 176 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:14,639 his back and running away. He could have further penalized 177 00:08:14,639 --> 00:08:16,360 the corner for coming up and wiping off his face, 178 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,079 which is not allowed during the courts of round. There 179 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,920 are no timeouts in boxing unless the referee calls the 180 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:25,040 time out for a reason. Furthermore, when the corner came 181 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,160 up on the on the on the on the on 182 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:29,720 the stairs to wipe off his face one hundred percent, 183 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:32,840 he would have been in his the right to disqualify him. 184 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:35,120 Now I am not saying he should have disqualified him. 185 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:36,600 I am just making the point that there are a 186 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,879 multitude of things that he could have done that would 187 00:08:38,879 --> 00:08:41,879 have somehow penalized Tank for that situation. Yet he did 188 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:44,799 none of them. And so the fight goes on. It 189 00:08:44,799 --> 00:08:47,360 starts up again a roach, you know, and they go 190 00:08:47,399 --> 00:08:50,559 to the final bell and he loses, or it doesn't lose, 191 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,720 but he gets a draw. It's it's it's one fifteen, 192 00:08:53,799 --> 00:08:56,399 one thirteen for tank and two judges had it one 193 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,240 fourteen to one fourteen. Obviously, if he gets a ten 194 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:01,799 eight round, it's one fifteen one to thirteen twice and 195 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,639 one fourteen, one to thirteen, he wins the unanimous decision. Now, 196 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,840 some people were asking, well, what if the judges can't 197 00:09:08,879 --> 00:09:10,799 they score a ten eight round on their own, And 198 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,600 the answer is no, you cannot score that a ten 199 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:15,919 eight round because it was not an official knockdown. And 200 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,559 if you read the Association of Boxing Commissions and their 201 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,879 criteria and their guidelines and their best practices for judging, 202 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:25,200 then you would know that the only way you can 203 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,440 score a ten to eight round without a knockdown. And 204 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,480 they recently changed the verbiage in their in their guidelines, 205 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:32,600 and I forget the exact word that they used, but 206 00:09:32,639 --> 00:09:36,120 if something like overwhelming or domination or whatever was but 207 00:09:36,519 --> 00:09:39,679 clear as day that what occurred in round nine, there 208 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,120 was nothing of the sort for either fighter. And you 209 00:09:42,159 --> 00:09:44,279 had a bunch of You had three judges who were 210 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:49,360 highly highly experienced championship judges, Eric Marlinsky, Glenn Feldman and 211 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,840 Steve Weisfeld, three of the best judges in boxing, and 212 00:09:51,879 --> 00:09:54,720 they were not about to score that, you know, a 213 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,799 ten eight round without having a knockdown, that would be 214 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:58,440 against the rules. 215 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: So in the cascading water fall of Kaka, let me 216 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,279 interject a couple of things. The first thing is he 217 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,919 could have taken a point away and did not for 218 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,960 him going over to the corner right, So that's important. 219 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,600 The next thing is clarify the instant replay, because so 220 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,519 many people are going on and on about the instant replay. 221 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 3: Go okay, So in New York State, they have the 222 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,679 ability to check a replay. They can they can't do 223 00:10:23,759 --> 00:10:25,559 everything in terms of what you would want them to see, 224 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,080 but certainly whether the instance is a knockdown is absolutely 225 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,120 one of the items that they can check the replay for, 226 00:10:32,759 --> 00:10:34,759 and so they could look at that and then they 227 00:10:34,759 --> 00:10:37,559 can make the determination. Now the way that they do that, 228 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,879 they have a certain length of time that they're allowed 229 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:41,960 to do that under the rules. And I checked on 230 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,240 this because I actually spoke to people involved with that 231 00:10:44,279 --> 00:10:47,840 this morning. They have the period of time that is 232 00:10:47,919 --> 00:10:50,799 left in the round, which in this case, the knockdown 233 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,039 happened at about two minutes and seventeen seconds left in 234 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,879 round nine, and so by the time that willis finished 235 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,120 doing whatever he was doing, and they fight started again. Figure, 236 00:10:59,159 --> 00:11:01,200 there was about two minutes left in the round, so 237 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,559 they add the rest of the two minutes to look 238 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,600 at the replay, plus the one minute rest period. Plus 239 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:09,279 they could also add an extra thirty seconds, so at 240 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,600 the most they add three minutes and thirty seconds to 241 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:14,720 which they could examine the replay and check that out. Now, 242 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:17,320 if you watch the Prime video pay per view, you 243 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,240 heard the thing happened with whatever. And then, however, long later, 244 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,200 Mara Ronalo says that that they had been informed that 245 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,480 the replay official had declined to make an intervention or 246 00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:30,879 do something or change it or call it to the attention. 247 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:33,320 So that was very striking to me because you're like, 248 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:35,720 what are you doing here? It's the most basic knockedn Ever, 249 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,000 let me just finish this. If you go down of 250 00:11:38,039 --> 00:11:41,159 your own volition for whatever reason, it is a knockdown, 251 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,480 unless the referee has called a foul or something dramatic 252 00:11:44,519 --> 00:11:47,879 has happened that would somehow mitigate that. That did not occur. 253 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:52,120 Lamont roach through punches. Tank went down, no question about it, 254 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:53,720 and he got up and ran to the corner, and 255 00:11:53,799 --> 00:11:56,159 he even talked about it in the post fight press cards. 256 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,919 Not that I'm not talking about what he said on 257 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,279 the television about it, but when he went into the 258 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:03,519 media room and he did the actual postfight press comments. 259 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:05,480 I'll read you his quote because he was asked more 260 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,799 about that. He says, oh, the the reason he gave 261 00:12:08,879 --> 00:12:10,720 was because he had gotten his hair done. I thoughtow 262 00:12:10,799 --> 00:12:13,840 right back to the Amanda Serrano situation, and he got 263 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,720 his hair done and they put some kind of gail 264 00:12:15,759 --> 00:12:17,919 or grease or chemicals in the hair, and it was 265 00:12:17,919 --> 00:12:20,000 getting in his eyes and was burning, and that's why 266 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,240 he did what he did. Now, again, that's against the 267 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:23,919 rules of my advice and any fighters, don't get your 268 00:12:23,919 --> 00:12:26,519 fucking hair done with grease and chemicals. I'm during fighting. 269 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: Okay, that's what we've seen it before, and yes, here 270 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:29,039 it is again. 271 00:12:29,159 --> 00:12:31,759 Speaker 3: So he said that during the interring interview with Brian Campbell, 272 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:33,720 when he went into the media center in the media 273 00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:35,159 room and he did the interviews, you know, and the 274 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,799 and the than the full blown press crimes, and I quote, 275 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,039 I didn't want to get caught while my eyes were burning. 276 00:12:40,279 --> 00:12:42,159 You can get knocked out like that, so I'd rather 277 00:12:42,279 --> 00:12:43,080 take the knee. 278 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: He now he's admitting it. 279 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: Yes, one hundred percent. You can go it's not not 280 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:50,639 making this up. You can call up the video to 281 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:51,279 say yourself. 282 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: Let me interject, go back to the replay thing from 283 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,159 what you have learned, because these are all important things. 284 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,759 Is that an alternate referee that's looking at it? Because 285 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:03,440 I know in a lot of cases it is all right, 286 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:04,799 So that's an alternate referrama. 287 00:13:04,879 --> 00:13:06,919 Speaker 3: But I get I got to get to the important 288 00:13:06,919 --> 00:13:10,080 fact here. So I talk to people today who are 289 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,879 in the production truck, okay, who are dealing with this, 290 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,240 and I asked them to explain to me what the 291 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:18,000 mechanism by which the replay official would get the information 292 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,320 and vice on versa. So the way that it works 293 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:21,919 is they have they're on a headset and they're at 294 00:13:21,919 --> 00:13:23,679 the ring apron and they're sitting next to the executive 295 00:13:23,759 --> 00:13:26,360 director and the commission people, and so when they need 296 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:29,039 to see something, they can hit the button or whatever 297 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,399 and talk to the there's a replay producer in the 298 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:33,480 truck that they can ask, or an assistant and they 299 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,080 will send them the replay on their monitor at ringside. 300 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,279 And actually, as I am told, and that's not the 301 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:39,960 kind of thing they talked about on the broadcast because 302 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,360 it didn't change anything, it wasn't necessary to go through it. 303 00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:45,039 But there were times during the fight because of cuts 304 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,440 that happened during undercard fights where they wanted to check 305 00:13:47,759 --> 00:13:49,200 was it a headbut was it a cut? Because those 306 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,600 are the things that they look for. And I was 307 00:13:51,639 --> 00:13:55,480 told by the commission when I spoke to somebody from 308 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,200 the commission later, that they were having trouble in the 309 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:01,919 undercard fight getting the replay sent to them properly. Now 310 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,879 go back to my conversation with the people in the truck. 311 00:14:04,159 --> 00:14:07,799 They said to me that that the replay official asked 312 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,480 for the replay, they sent the replay and that was 313 00:14:10,519 --> 00:14:12,679 the end of it. And so I said to that person, well, 314 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,559 did anybody check and see like what happened, you know, 315 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,279 like what he saw? Like why he didn't call that said, 316 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,840 We were just told that they weren't making any decisions 317 00:14:19,879 --> 00:14:21,840 about it and it was what it was. So I 318 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,519 was left with the impression that absolutely the replay official 319 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,120 saw the replay and decided, you know what, way, we're 320 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:28,759 not going to do anything about this. Now fast forward 321 00:14:28,759 --> 00:14:31,240 till later in the day when I'm having a commissioned conversation, 322 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,279 and I asked the same question, and I was told 323 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,720 that the ref the the replay official, which is an 324 00:14:38,759 --> 00:14:41,240 excellent refereen named Ricky Gonzalez, who does plenty of New 325 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:43,000 York fights. I've seen him referee a million fights. It's 326 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:45,480 like you said, it's usually an alternate ref that is 327 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:49,080 doing that position. That he never actually that they continued 328 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,840 to have problems with the technology and he never actually 329 00:14:51,879 --> 00:14:54,200 got the replay to view within that within that three 330 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,360 and a half minute. 331 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: Here. Oh, that would be an important distinction between the 332 00:15:02,519 --> 00:15:06,240 conversation of they looked at the replay and didn't deem 333 00:15:06,279 --> 00:15:10,399 it to be worthy of a knockdown, versus they're now saying, 334 00:15:11,039 --> 00:15:14,200 help me if I'm wrong. They're now saying they didn't 335 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,480 get a clean look at anything in the time frame 336 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:18,720 in which they had to get. 337 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: A clean look. That is, yes, that's their story now 338 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:23,679 at the New York Commission. 339 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: Interesting and they acknowledged that when they did look at it, 340 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,120 it was a knockdown, but they couldn't do anything about 341 00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:32,240 it in the context of the timing. Won happened now 342 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,879 Roach's team, I assume, and I will follow up on this. 343 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,120 I assume they're going to file the appropriate penalty, you know, 344 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,320 complaint or asking for you know, for a hearing or 345 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:44,159 for you know, a protest, what have you? 346 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,399 Speaker 2: Can we take a time out for a second. Who's 347 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,200 the head of the New York Athletic Commission right now? 348 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,399 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm legitially asking who is the head? 349 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 3: Oh, there's a there's a man named Matt Delaglo who 350 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,679 has been recently appointed as the executive director. He had 351 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:58,960 been a wrong saying hold on. He was the interim 352 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,200 when the previous person left the position, and that is 353 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,320 a season boxing person's sport for a while. He's there 354 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:08,120 last night, Yes, of course. 355 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: How is the head of the New York Commission not 356 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,320 involved in the in in the whole mechanism here? Of 357 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:17,919 we want to look at that replay with what just happened. 358 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:20,399 How is he not involved with the TV truck and 359 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,639 whatever proactively on? We need to see that this could 360 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:26,679 be important asking. I'm just asking. 361 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,679 Speaker 3: They couldn't just ask a replay in time between the 362 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:32,039 rounds the thirty you know, I said they had the 363 00:16:32,039 --> 00:16:33,120 remainder of the ref They. 364 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: Had like three minutes. That's an eternity in our busy. 365 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:36,639 Speaker 3: I'm not a technician. 366 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,759 Speaker 2: There's another f work, but there's a fourth one. But 367 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:45,519 but you're telling me what the New York Commission's answer is. 368 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:48,320 And what I'm saying to you, how does the director 369 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,919 not even maybe have to stand up on the apron 370 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:53,799 and go hold on and do that. I mean, I'm 371 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:56,159 talking about in between rounds, in between rounds and say, hey, 372 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,960 we're looking at this to make sure while we. 373 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: Have that everybody knew what was going on. I think 374 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,679 it was handled in his hand. It is ast on 375 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:06,359 what my understanding the why I've heard it from both sides. 376 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,000 I don't think there was anything nefarious, but it still 377 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:12,440 doesn't change the fact that Steve Willis started to count 378 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,839 and then stop because I out said Dravata Davis call 379 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,000 the time out for himself, which is not legal. It 380 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:21,039 was a cluster fuck from everything five. There's so many 381 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:22,880 things that happened that were wrong about that. And Lamar 382 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,160 Roach got fucked out of the title. He got sucked 383 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,160 out of seven, the best, the number one American attraction 384 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,720 in that he got. He got fucked out of the 385 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,880 glory of being handed the title, and it probably fucking 386 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,039 cost him a whole bunch of money. 387 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: Did you said that. 388 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,759 Speaker 2: All right, are you repeating yourself? Now let's go over 389 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:42,200 a couple more important points. Did all three of the judges, 390 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,960 because I've not seen the breakdown of the cards, did 391 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,640 they all three give Davis the ninth round? 392 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: In question? They all they did, not all three give 393 00:17:49,279 --> 00:17:50,519 it to it. So that's interesting. 394 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,799 Speaker 2: But at least one of them that called the fight 395 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:54,359 a draw, if not both of them that called it 396 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:59,000 a draw. That was Weisfeld and Felderman. Am I correct 397 00:17:59,759 --> 00:17:59,920 had the. 398 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:02,599 Speaker 3: Fight a draw? And in round number nine. I'm looking 399 00:18:02,599 --> 00:18:04,480 at the card. It's on my Substack newsletter, so you 400 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:05,880 can go and check it out and see the card 401 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,799 for yourself. It was ten nine for Gervonta Davis for 402 00:18:09,799 --> 00:18:12,720 the Feldman card in round number nine. It was ten 403 00:18:12,839 --> 00:18:16,039 nine on the Eric Marlinsky score card for Gervonta Davis 404 00:18:16,079 --> 00:18:18,279 in round number nine, and it was ten nine for 405 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,599 Lamont Roach in round number nine from the Stage Lifeboat card. 406 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:24,279 So the fight would have been a unanimous decision in 407 00:18:24,279 --> 00:18:28,640 favor of Roach had the score been ten to eight 408 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:29,720 on all three cards. 409 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: I was just curious, by the way, so one of 410 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,359 them gave the round to Roach. 411 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 2: Anyway, it wasn't as if that point was the difference 412 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,880 on two of the cards in the fight being a draw. 413 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: It was on one of the cards, So that's important. 414 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:42,799 Speaker 3: Esting I would like to just reiterate again, it's not 415 00:18:43,519 --> 00:18:45,960 it's not up to the judges to determine whether it's 416 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,839 a knockdown. If the knockdownis called, based on the way 417 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,079 that the ABC rules had been updated and then not 418 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,000 too distant pass, they are compelled to score that round 419 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,480 ten ten to eight rather not ten to nine. 420 00:18:57,599 --> 00:18:59,319 Speaker 2: And and by the way, while you're going on and 421 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,279 on about the score cards, because I don't know this, 422 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,759 what did the judges score the twelfth and final round 423 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,839 as who did they give it to? Did they all 424 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,480 give it to Davis? Because that's important because two of 425 00:19:09,519 --> 00:19:10,680 the cards ended up tied. 426 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,319 Speaker 3: They say it Feldman had a ten nine in favor 427 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,359 of Laant Roach, Marlinsky had it ten nine in favor 428 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,279 of Germanda Davis, and Steve Weisfeld had a ten nine 429 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:23,559 in favor of Lamont Roach. In fact, Steve Weisfeld gave 430 00:19:23,839 --> 00:19:26,319 the final four rounds of the fight to Lamont Roach, 431 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,000 and uh, you know that that got him into a 432 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:31,559 one fourteen one to fourteen tie, right, So if you 433 00:19:31,559 --> 00:19:33,160 take if you take that as a ten end round, 434 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,759 it becomes one to fifteen to one thirteen. I mean, 435 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:39,440 the bottom line is it was just a it was handled. 436 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:40,920 It was handled like a hand. 437 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:41,279 Speaker 1: All right. 438 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,559 Speaker 2: So let's let's bring it back to what you were 439 00:19:43,559 --> 00:19:45,960 saying in the aftermath of the fight. I thought, Lamont 440 00:19:46,039 --> 00:19:49,039 Roach his dad handled it with class. They obviously deserve 441 00:19:49,079 --> 00:19:51,720 a rematch. Here I am asking for good things again. 442 00:19:51,759 --> 00:19:54,839 The WBA should step in and should order a rematch, 443 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,559 and should say, because of the controversy, let's do this again. 444 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,519 Let's have this again. I'm not saying they're. 445 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: Probably gonna do rematch. It's not even necessary in my 446 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,519 mind that the WBA would have to order number two. 447 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,519 Tank is a WBA lightweight champion and Roach is a 448 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,279 WBA Junior lightweight champion. So the fact of the matter 449 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,079 is they're both associated with that organization with their titles. 450 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:18,400 I think both of the camps both said they want it. 451 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,839 Clearly it would be a bigger commercial event than it 452 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,680 was even the other night, which was, by the way, 453 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,759 nineteen two hundred and fifty people in the Barclay Center, 454 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,720 the largest attendance in the history of the building for 455 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,960 any event, boxing or otherwise. It will be the second 456 00:20:31,039 --> 00:20:34,279 highest gate in history of the building, around seven million dollars. 457 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:36,279 It'll be just shy of the all time record, which 458 00:20:36,319 --> 00:20:38,680 is a Rolling Stones concert at the Bark Play Center, 459 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,880 which is kind of ironic or coincidental, whatever word you 460 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,160 choose to use that. When Tank Davis broke the record 461 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,200 for gate at the Capitol One Arena in Washington, d C. 462 00:20:46,319 --> 00:20:48,680 In twenty twenty three, the gate record that he broke 463 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:50,880 was a Rolling Stones concert that was more than five 464 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,759 million dollars. So Tank and the Stones are connected right now, 465 00:20:54,039 --> 00:20:55,960 and they're going to obviously have a rematch and it's 466 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,680 going to be a big deal. But it still doesn't 467 00:20:57,759 --> 00:21:00,000 change the fact that Lamont Roach should have got the way, 468 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,640 and there probably would have been a rematch anyway because 469 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,119 of the fact that he would have handed Tank the loss. 470 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,160 I didn't think Tank fought a particularly good fight. He 471 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,039 didn't do shit for the first five or six rounds. 472 00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:10,839 Not that Roach did a whole bunch more either, but 473 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,079 it was a nip and tug close fight, and then 474 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,559 they both turned it on in the second half of 475 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:16,599 the fight and The one thing about Lamont Roach. He 476 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,200 may not be as big of a puncher as Tank Davis, 477 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,680 but one thing he can do is he can take 478 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:21,960 a shot. Because he got hit with a lot of 479 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,759 straight left hands, he got with a lot of good 480 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:26,240 body shots. Tank was going after him and Lamont Roach 481 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,720 stood up to all of it. And remember they fought 482 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,119 his amateurs. They've been around each other for years. They're friendly. 483 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:33,240 Lamont's father was an amateur coach of Tank Davis's when 484 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,920 he won an amateur national Golden Gloves. They've been in 485 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,160 the same boxing circles for a long long time. They 486 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,240 have a healthy respect. I wouldn't say they're necessarily friends, 487 00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:44,359 but they definitely like each other. And there's a healthy 488 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,599 competition there. And when you have the guy that's the star, 489 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,240 who's the champ, and he's standing in the ring doing 490 00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:52,559 his interview and he's the one asking for a rematch, 491 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:53,680 you know he lost the fight. 492 00:21:54,039 --> 00:21:56,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, and give again Roach moved up in wait. 493 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,599 Speaker 2: Give him the credit in all those circumstances that you 494 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,839 mentioned with him being the a side fighter and all 495 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,599 of that. And I will come back with one more 496 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,319 thing that I continue to reiterate it. 497 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,039 Speaker 1: We've done this for about two years, and you know that, 498 00:22:08,079 --> 00:22:09,039 I don't swear. 499 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 2: Sooner or later you have to start putting your foot 500 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:21,160 down and fire people that do incompetent things judging, refereeing, whatever. 501 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 3: It is is. Yes, the judges all did a good 502 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,680 job with the judges. But I'm saying, but usually usually 503 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,079 when we're on these and we're railing, we're picture moaning 504 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,640 about the judges. The judges did their right, did the right, 505 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:34,880 they had good scores. 506 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:35,519 Speaker 2: Uh. 507 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 3: But Steve Willis, who has been for a very long 508 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,920 time a very good and quality referee. 509 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: Uh, there's some questions about him in the past. 510 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,559 Speaker 3: And the reason, I don't know anything off the top 511 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:47,480 of my head. But so it is, this was not good. 512 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 2: And yes, and you've got to reprimand or or make 513 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,519 changes and or get rid of people to reassure the 514 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:55,400 public about what's going on when you have a gregious, 515 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,960 horrible thing like you mentioned. This is millions of dollars 516 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,720 for Lamont roach because of that decision, and there needs 517 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,079 to be accountability. I'm just I'm big on that. And 518 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,240 we're going to talk about anything within the next fight a. 519 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: Little later on. 520 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 3: I don't I don't I don't understand how you can't 521 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,039 have a fighter who three punches get thrown from his opponent, 522 00:23:13,279 --> 00:23:17,599 he turns away, he kneels down, You start to count, 523 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,279 and then you abandon the count for no apparent reason. 524 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: It is no there is no explain there is no explanation. 525 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,240 What are we doing here? All right? 526 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:28,079 Speaker 2: So we covered that one, and hopefully we get a 527 00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:29,759 rematch maybe later this summer. 528 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,599 Speaker 1: That'll have a lot more build up. I don't know 529 00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:32,359 how quick it'll be. 530 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: Remember Tank Davis, Tank Tank Davis kept saying I'm gonna 531 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,519 fight three times in twenty twenty five. 532 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: Well, let's get busy, let's talk right later. 533 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 3: I don't think either guy came away with any kind 534 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,319 of injuries of any kind of significance or anything whatsoever. 535 00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:45,799 There'd be zero reason why this fight could not happen 536 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:46,240 this summer. 537 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 2: Yes, run it back. Can we have good things? So 538 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,000 now we go to the undercard, and here's a word 539 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,599 for the co feature win by Gary Antoine Russell against 540 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,359 Reo Valenzuela, who's a Valezuela for the WBA Junior Welterway 541 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,920 title domination. He dominated that fight. I did not see 542 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,400 that coming. I thought Valanzuela would win much less, and 543 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,359 I think Valenzuela would barely be able to get around 544 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,880 off of Gary Antoine Russell. 545 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: Why was Russell so good? From what you saw while 546 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,480 we're in the recapt. 547 00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 3: Listen, I think that he took it seriously, I thought, 548 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,519 I don't think. I think he wasn't necessarily as amped up. 549 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:23,720 Let's say, for what happened in his previous fight against 550 00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:26,359 Alberto Puyo, when he lost a split decision, and you 551 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,079 could argue that he certainly won the fight, it was 552 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,279 very close, but he did not fight with that kind 553 00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:34,480 of tenacity, with that kind of conditioning, with with that 554 00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:36,920 kind of purpose, and that that's important when you have 555 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,519 the purpose, and he really obviously was in great condition 556 00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:42,400 for this fight. He came out against a fighter that 557 00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:46,000 did not he did. Reo Valenswoeld did not do what 558 00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:48,480 he does best. He tried to box with Gary Antoine 559 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:50,480 Russell rather than fight with him, and I thought that 560 00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:53,240 was a terrible strategic error because he's just not that 561 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,480 kind of boxer. He'd have been much better off if 562 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,079 he went and let it all hang out and tried 563 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,640 to get the guy and done some damage in that manner. 564 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,200 While he never let he never let Valonzuela breathe from 565 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,119 the opening bell, he kept a massive pace. He threw 566 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,160 a million punches, lots of jabs had him off balance. 567 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,480 You know, he was moving, he was making a miss. 568 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,160 Valonzuela could never get on track with anything offensively the 569 00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:17,119 entire fight. Literally, not one I was a one real 570 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,480 solid punch that you could say was like game changing 571 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,279 or anything. And even if he landed a few punches, 572 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:24,920 which obviously he's a professional fighter. He landed some punches, 573 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,440 but they were one at a time. There was no 574 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,039 combination punching. This was a masterpiece from Gary Russell. I 575 00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:33,000 mean it was. I thought it was an entertaining fight 576 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:35,359 to watch on the pay per view, even though it 577 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,559 was totally one sided. I'm actually pissed off that two 578 00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:41,680 of the judges gave Valonzuela a single round. I thought 579 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,880 it was twelve to zero without even a shadow of 580 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,119 a doubt. Two of the judges gave it eleven rounds 581 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,720 to one. One did one judge, Tom Shrek did have 582 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:52,319 it twelve to zero. Valonzuela was massively disappointing. You want 583 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:54,000 to talk about the highs and the lowest. In August, 584 00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:57,319 he beats Pitbull Cruise by split decision in a very 585 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,759 good fight to win this title. In his first fight 586 00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:02,000 move up to one hundred and forty pounds, he makes 587 00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:03,960 his first defense against Gary Russell. Was coming off of 588 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,119 a loss and he doesn't even compete and so Gary 589 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,920 Russell tremendous victory. I mean, he had been, in my opinion, 590 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,839 a massively talented fighter, but was wasting his career because 591 00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:17,200 he was fighting once a year as a pretty young 592 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,799 fighter relatively speaking. He's twenty eight now, but he's been 593 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:23,759 a professional a long time. He was an Olympian. You 594 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:25,720 got to go all the way back to twenty sixteen. 595 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,079 The guy's been a pro since twenty seventeen. Early twenty seventeen, 596 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,160 he's only got nineteen fights. I mean, that is just 597 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,319 not any kind of activity. 598 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 2: Let me tell you what, my brother, My initial reaction 599 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,319 was great performance by him, and I believe this. 600 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,519 Speaker 1: I firmly believe this. 601 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,279 Speaker 2: As we sit here on March the second, we're not 602 00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:46,640 going to see him again the rest of the year. 603 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,079 Speaker 1: He won't fight. 604 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 2: The rest of the year, he won't fight against anybody, 605 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,920 because that's that's what is that's what his brother did, 606 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,599 and I believe that's the mentality of I just made 607 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,279 whatever he made. I have no idea what he made, 608 00:26:58,319 --> 00:26:59,839 but I got to believe in a co feature fight 609 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,240 he made hundreds of thousands of dollars. He may have 610 00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:04,359 made a million dollars, but I don't know that. We'll 611 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,359 see him the rest of the year. I will be 612 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,640 the first one to say I am shocked. If Gary 613 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,839 Russell's fighting Antoine Russell is fighting in like October November, 614 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,039 I hope I will apologize. 615 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: I will say I'm shocked. Don't hold here's publisher. 616 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 3: There's good fights for him. The most obvious fight for 617 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,960 him is Alberto Poeyo, who is the WBC champ barely 618 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,920 want to split decision against him in the last time out, 619 00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:30,480 which was at the time an interim title. He won, 620 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:36,559 that elevated when Haney became franchise and vacated, he became 621 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:39,000 the champ, and we'll talk about it. Defended the title 622 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,920 on this undercard. That's an easy PBC fight to make. 623 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,839 That's a very solid matchup. There's history, there's a story, 624 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,480 it's a unification, and it seems logical, and uh, we'll 625 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,880 see if they follow through with the logic. 626 00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: Let's hope that it is. 627 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 2: But I mean again, with Gary Russell Junior, his older 628 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,960 brother who's now his trainer, he would fight once a 629 00:27:57,079 --> 00:27:58,240 year and that was it. 630 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,559 Speaker 3: Just remember one thing that the brother are not the 631 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:01,119 same person. 632 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 2: I understand the brothers are not the same person, but 633 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,359 the mentality is the same. I got my dollars. I 634 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,000 don't have to fight, and that's what we've seen. And 635 00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:11,039 so now stay tuned, all right, So now move on 636 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,279 to PLAYO because I must confess I did not watch 637 00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:18,599 the Albert Puoyo Sander Martin fight, but Poyo did win. 638 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,880 Did I miss much to uh to keep his WBC 639 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,400 well forty time? 640 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: Did I miss much? What did I missed? I missing? 641 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,279 Speaker 3: I had said in the build up to this fight 642 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:28,000 that I thought this was it was a it was 643 00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:29,680 a fine fight, a reasonable fight to make. It was 644 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,920 a mandatory fight, and it was a deserving mandatory kind 645 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,119 of fight. Sander Martinez earned the opportunity. But I figured, 646 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,599 knowing and having watched both of these guys fight plenty 647 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:39,599 of times, I just felt like style wise would not 648 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,000 be a very appealing fight for the crowd. It was okay, 649 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,880 But because I had zero expectations. It actually was a 650 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,400 lot better than I'd expected. So does that make it good? Yeah? 651 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,079 It wasn't terrible. I mean it was it was not. 652 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,559 It wasn't on the level of a lot of you know, 653 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,880 top notch fights that we have seen. It wasn't even 654 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,599 as good as Antoine Russell against Balezuela, which may have 655 00:28:57,599 --> 00:28:59,079 been one side of it was still good to watch, 656 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,799 but Po and they put on a much better show 657 00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:03,680 than I expected. So tip of the hat to those guys. 658 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:06,920 It was really close. Payo won a split decision. He 659 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,799 won one fifteen, one thirteen and one sixteen, one to twelve, 660 00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:11,880 and one judge had it one fifteen to one thirteen 661 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,000 in favor of Martin. I thought Sander Martin won by 662 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,920 the same score, seven rounds to five. It was that 663 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,759 kind of fight. There was a decent action. I thought 664 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:21,319 that Pueo, he was a little bit taller and longer 665 00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:24,119 than Martin, and it was very frustrating because he kept 666 00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:26,359 trying to come inside and he kept smothering himself. He 667 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:27,480 didn't you. All you had to do was take a 668 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,000 step back and give himself a chance to extend his punches, 669 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,480 and he never really did that, but look, it was 670 00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:34,799 a very close fight. You could have either gone either way. 671 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,359 Martino is going to be the guy that feels aggrieved 672 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:41,319 because he's got two really close split decision losses in 673 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:43,759 New York. This fight for a title. If you go 674 00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:46,160 back a couple of years ago, he was in Madison 675 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,920 Square Guard and he lost in a ten rounder. This 676 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,160 is before Tafimo Lopez became the champion. He lost a 677 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,039 very close decision, split decision to tia Fimo. We knocked 678 00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:55,680 t Fimo down in that fight. He didn't get it. 679 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,680 So his perspective is what the heck do I have 680 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,680 to do to win a fight in New York against 681 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,480 one of these other top guys. But hopefully he'll be back. 682 00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:05,319 He's still a very talented guy, even if he's a 683 00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:08,240 little maddening to watch at times and pueo. You know, 684 00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:09,799 this is set up on a tee for him to have, 685 00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:13,000 hopefully a unification with Gary Russell Gary Antoine Russell, who 686 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:14,720 now has one of the other titles in the weight class. 687 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,680 Like I said, they're both with BBC. Should be a 688 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,079 fight they can make. I don't see him getting an 689 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,200 opportunity at any time in the future against Richardson Hitchins, 690 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,839 who's the IBM champion, tiafi Ma Lopez's schedule has already 691 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,160 you know, taken up with what he's going to be 692 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,960 doing next, as we all know, and so what else 693 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,519 is there out there for him? And by the way, 694 00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:34,519 he does not have a mandatory do next. He is 695 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,559 in an optional period now where he doesn't have to 696 00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:38,480 fight a mandatory in his next fight. So they easily 697 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,240 could make the Antoine Russell fight if they all decide 698 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:41,599 to do that. 699 00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:44,559 Speaker 2: You are more optimistic than I am that Antoine Gary 700 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,200 Antoine Russell will want to have that fight this calendar 701 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:50,640 year again. I will happily apologize later this year if 702 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,319 that's the case, and we'll talk more about Suprio Matias 703 00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:56,160 winning the IBF eliminator in a few moments, but just 704 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,920 finish up on the card because Jonis Taez and Jay 705 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,359 Rock Williams that I saw some of that, some highlights 706 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:08,400 of that as well. You know, Jay Rock hits and 707 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,680 gets and gets hit. There's no mystery we know that. 708 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,799 Speaker 3: But you know that Tayaz has been one of my 709 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:14,880 favorite prospects for the last couple of years. I thought 710 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,960 he looked really, really good. This was a big step 711 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,279 up for him. You know, Julian Williams may not be 712 00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:21,400 what he was when he was the Unified champion and 713 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,920 he had scored some good wins and was knocking guys out, 714 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,799 but so he may not be at that level anymore, 715 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,240 but he's still, you know, a litmus test for a 716 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:31,559 young fighter that only had not nine fights going into 717 00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:34,240 the fight and not a lot of experience. He'd fought 718 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,720 some good opponents, but nobody on the level of a 719 00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:40,200 former champ like Williams and Jonas Teez. The kid is 720 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,960 the goods. He's I've been saying it from the time 721 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,759 I first watched him. I have massive respect for Ronnie Shields, 722 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:47,039 his trainer, who I've known for a very very long time, 723 00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:49,440 and he told me a couple of years ago, keep 724 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,039 an eye on Taz. He's the real deal, and he's 725 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,480 showing it because he looked tremendous. He went out there 726 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,599 and he won easily, won nineteen one oh nine, one, seventeen, 727 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,319 one eleven, one, eighteen one ten. Basically, Julian Williams came 728 00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:01,240 out and won the first round without a question. He 729 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,160 won the first round in all three score cards, and 730 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,799 then Taya has dominated the rest of the fight. Maybe 731 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:06,720 a judge scored one round here, one round there, but 732 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,279 he totally dominated the fight. He out punched him, out 733 00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:12,000 muscled him, he outfought and me out He out slicked him, 734 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:14,799 He landed quicker, sharper punches, and it was a great 735 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,799 learning experience for him. He does win with his victory 736 00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:21,240 the WBA's interim title at one fifty four and I 737 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,160 know we laugh and snicker about the interim titles, and 738 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,440 they deserve to have our derision, but this is one 739 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,279 of those cases where actually he's going to mean something, 740 00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:29,880 most likely because the reigning champion of the WBA at 741 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,279 one hundred and fifty four pounds is Terrence Crawford, and 742 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,720 Terrence Crawford is most likely never fighting in the one 743 00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,519 hundred and fifty four pound division again, certainly not in 744 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:39,759 the near future, because he's got business, most likely in 745 00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:43,640 September against Terrence Crawford, I mean against us Canelo Alcohols 746 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,279 at one hundred and sixty eight pounds. So that will 747 00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,519 make once he vacates that title, that will take yo 748 00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:51,039 nsts and will boost him from the interim champion of 749 00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:54,880 the WBA to the full champion. That's inevitable in my opinion. 750 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,079 Speaker 2: All Right, so a big win for Taz and then 751 00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:00,599 also on the card, you want to mention another win, 752 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,359 This was Johann Gonzalez beating Jared Heard. 753 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,759 Speaker 3: And really I'm really mentioning the loss, not the win. 754 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 2: And you you've mentioned this before, that Heard and you 755 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:11,039 were you were, I think putting on social media here 756 00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:13,440 that Heard is just a shell of what he was 757 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,119 and that's a shame. And he basically in the ring 758 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:16,960 said that's it. 759 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: I am done well. 760 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,359 Speaker 3: He had said before if he couldn't win against a 761 00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,559 caliber fighter like Joan Gonzalez, who was basically journeyman, but 762 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,920 you know, he comes to fight, but if you're if 763 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,480 you've got some level of world class talent, you should 764 00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,880 beat him. And Jared Hurd said I would retire if 765 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,039 I didn't win the fight. And he went out there 766 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:36,000 and look, they called the split decision, which to me 767 00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:37,880 was ridiculous. He got his ask kick, he lost basically 768 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,759 every round. He might have won one or two rounds, 769 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:42,200 but it was a wipeout. Joan Gonzalez, you know, out 770 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,359 punched him and had him bloodied up and and swollen up, 771 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:46,920 and you know, just did a number on him. And 772 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,519 Jared Heard was at one time for a few years 773 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,039 in the junior middleweight division, unquestionably the number one fighter 774 00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:54,000 in the way class. He was a unified champion, He 775 00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,880 was the winner of of some some incredibly action pack fights, 776 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,440 and those types of fights, unfortunately they take their toll. 777 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,640 He go back to two thousand and eighteen and I 778 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,759 was ringside for this fight, spectacular war against Arizlonti Laara 779 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,320 in a unification fight that took place what was at 780 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,880 the time called the Hard Rock in Las Vegas. And 781 00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:16,559 he was he needed, you know that his corner thought 782 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:17,880 he was winning the fight, and he wasn't going to 783 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,000 listen to the corner. I've told the story. He said, 784 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,800 forget about it. He went out there and he fought 785 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,280 his ass off. In the twelfth round, he scored a 786 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,000 knockdown against Laara in the twelfth round, and lo and behold, 787 00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:27,760 he wins a split decision, and if he doesn't get 788 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,360 the knockdown, he doesn't win the split decision. So that 789 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,559 was a spectacular fight, twenty eighteen fight of the year. 790 00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:35,599 But he had some other tremendous fights, you know, just 791 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,800 one one battle after another. And like I said, it 792 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,960 takes its toll, and he had a couple of injuries 793 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,800 and he's never really been the same since roughly like 794 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,400 twenty eighteen, so it's been kind of a long slide. 795 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,519 He had moved up to middle eight and he's lost now, 796 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,599 you know, with the loss that he took the other night, 797 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,880 He's now lost three of his last five with one win, 798 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,320 three losses and one draw. And you know, time waits 799 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,039 for no man in boxing. And I'm glad he called 800 00:34:58,039 --> 00:34:59,920 it a call out a day. He's a good dude, 801 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,559 he's a nice guy, had a heck of a career 802 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,920 and there's no reason that he needs to keep getting 803 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,320 beat up. And I've told this story before. I do 804 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,000 have a special place in my heart for Jared Hurd 805 00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:10,559 because on the night that he won the world title, 806 00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:13,760 the vacant IBF title in Birmingham, Alabama, on a Deontay 807 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,639 Wilder undercart, he knocked out Tony Harrison in the ninth round. 808 00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:19,199 And Jared lives not too far from where I live 809 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,960 in Northern Virginia. He lives in Maryland, right over the river, 810 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:24,000 probably twenty minutes from where I live, half an hour 811 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:26,840 where I live, so Anyway, we're both flying back to Washington, 812 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,519 d C. After that fight, and I was in the 813 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,960 van within that morning at like five am, and we 814 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,440 got our bags and we're sitting in the van and 815 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,639 we're on the way to the airport and Jared heard 816 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,440 is wearing the belt on his treet clothes in the van. 817 00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:40,599 It was one of the most endearing things I've ever 818 00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:43,320 seen in my career. He was so proud that he 819 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,880 is wearing the belt. And it was kind of interesting 820 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,519 because a lot of times you get the belt, you 821 00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:48,079 don't actually keep the belt. You got to give it 822 00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:50,519 back because the other guy you borrowed it for the pictures, 823 00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:52,800 and then the organization sends you the title, sends you 824 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,880 the belt. But they were fighting for a vacant title, 825 00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:56,599 so the belt was there and whoever win it got 826 00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:58,239 to take it home. So we got to travel with 827 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,679 the belt any war to the airport. 828 00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:01,639 Speaker 2: I love. Presumably he had to take it off for 829 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,559 the X ray machine, but other than that, he wasn't 830 00:36:03,559 --> 00:36:05,519 taking the belt off. Probably from the night before he 831 00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:06,320 wasn't taking the belt. 832 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,159 Speaker 3: But it's just you know, look, people we laugh about 833 00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:09,559 the belts and all that, and we bitch and moan 834 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:12,079 about the the regulars and the interims, and I get that, 835 00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:15,440 and I'm totally into that. But for the athlete themselves, now, 836 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,639 in this case there was a full IBF title, fine, 837 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,199 but it means some of them, it's the tangible evidence 838 00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:23,360 of their hard work and the blood. And Jared Hurt 839 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,360 had a heck of a career and I wish him 840 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,559 good luck in his retirement. 841 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: All right. 842 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 2: So that was a bunch on the PBC on Prime 843 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,079 and you got a lot for your money there with 844 00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:35,440 what we were just talking about and discussing, including the 845 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,280 tank roach controversy. 846 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: All right. 847 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 2: So also you mentioned Subrio Matias. Let's just cover that 848 00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:47,280 real quick. He won in Puerto Rico the Dezone Salida 849 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,360 Promotions fight on Saturday night in Fajardo, Puerto Rico, winning 850 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,760 the IBF one and forty pound eliminator. He beat Gabriel Valenzuela, 851 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,000 a different Valenzuela in a fight that was a competitive, 852 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,840 if back and forth fight. Valan Zuela had a cut 853 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,679 over the eye that they kept examining him. Mattias wore 854 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,360 him down Dan and eventually knocked him down, and the 855 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,079 referee waved the fight off with Valenzuela bleeding and obviously 856 00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:16,119 hurt in the eighth round. So Mattias gets a good 857 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,960 bounce back win for him and that sets up what 858 00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:21,159 you referred to in the one hundred and forty pound division, 859 00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:24,760 him and Richardson Hitchins. Looks like that's the logical fight 860 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,360 next for another piece of the junior Walter White crown. 861 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 3: It's not a matter of logical, it's a matter of 862 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,519 that he's now the mandatory. That was by the way, 863 00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:32,199 it was not a bounce back win. That was his 864 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,960 second win in a row. If you remember that. In May, 865 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:36,840 I mean sorry, June of last year, he was upset 866 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,280 in Puerto Rico and lost the title to Liam Paro. 867 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,679 That was considered a major upset. Paro then went on 868 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,280 and lost that title to Richardson Hitchins. In the meantime, 869 00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:47,639 you have surreal Matias coming back in Puerto Rico back 870 00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:50,880 in November, scored a second round knockout against a less 871 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,559 than stellar Roberto Ramirez and what everybody sort of figured 872 00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:55,239 it was a wipeout, which it turned out to be. 873 00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:58,559 He steps up a little bit against balin Zuela, a 874 00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:01,440 fight that I thought he would win, you know, by knockout. 875 00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:04,039 He did do that. It was a tougher fight than 876 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,320 the Ramirez fight, but he got the job done. He 877 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,360 makes good fights. He's a big puncher. I'm not sure 878 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,320 how much he's got left at this stage of his career, 879 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,880 but the fact is he is now in the position 880 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,800 to challenge Hitchens in a mandatory fight, and we'll see 881 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,679 if that actually takes place. It very well may because 882 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,079 there had been some conversations that Hitchins might be fighting 883 00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:25,239 t Femo Lopez next, but that won't be the next 884 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,840 fight for Tia Femo, so Hitchins is now available to 885 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,000 do the mandatory We'll see if they can make a deal. 886 00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:32,280 And that's an interesting fight also because he got that. 887 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,360 We all know there's nothing fancy with with Subril Mattias. 888 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,800 He's a bomber. He comes to straight ahead and take 889 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,760 your head off. Hitchins, you know, is a solid offensive 890 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,199 fighter also, but he's really a great boxer in terms 891 00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:46,280 of his movement and placing his punches and being smart 892 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,239 with where he throws and how he throws, and that 893 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,719 that's going to be I believe could be a much 894 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,840 of a technical nightmare for a fighter like Sabril Matigaz, 895 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,400 who has trouble with that type of style. 896 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: All right, so stay tuned. He did what he was 897 00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:59,679 supposed to do. But wait, there's more. 898 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,159 Speaker 2: And controversy was not exclusive to the Barclay Center in Brooklyn, 899 00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:06,559 New York. It was also in Belfast, Northern Ireland again 900 00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,920 for the main event on the Matchroom de Own Show, 901 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,280 where Paddy Donovan was dominating the IBF one hundred and 902 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,880 forty seven pound eliminator was getting the better of Lewis 903 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,519 Crocker had hurt Crocker. Crocker was fighting back some but 904 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:25,440 he had hurt him, and then there was a here 905 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,599 we go with the referee again. Then there was a 906 00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:31,760 moment where Donovan got a point taken away because of 907 00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:35,239 head butts. And then at the end of the round 908 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:40,320 he has Crocker hurt the bell rings and it's a 909 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,800 late punch. It's a late punch that he hits Crocker 910 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,320 with Crocker is down, Crocker's holding his left eye and 911 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,400 the referee disqualifies Paddy Donovan, who's clearly in command in 912 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,159 the fight. And this is rare where you see a 913 00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:58,119 fighter crying on all fours in the ring. It was 914 00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,880 some serious real life drama in the ring in Belfast 915 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,519 on this DQ Dan Rayphiel. 916 00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: It's not every day that we see this kind of stuff. 917 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,679 Speaker 3: It was crazy if it wasn't for Steve Willis and 918 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,480 the shambalicness of what happened in New York on the 919 00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:15,079 Tank Davis and Lamont roach card. Marcus McDonald will be 920 00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:18,360 mister Shambalack of the weekend because he handled this fight 921 00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:21,320 like a fucking hand grenade terribly. I thought, yes, a 922 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,960 mess now he had first of all, it was first 923 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,840 things first, one side or not. It was good. It 924 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,519 was a very good fun fight. Though crowd in Belfast 925 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,760 was going nuts. I I really enjoyed this fight. I 926 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,400 watched it in the afternoon before all the uh the 927 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,559 stuff from New York City with the with the Tank card. 928 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,960 Marcus McDonald did a ship job in this fight, and 929 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:40,199 I'm not. 930 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,639 Speaker 2: We've talked about him before, Eric talked about him before, 931 00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:44,639 but go ahead elaborate. 932 00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 3: So he took a point for a head buddy in 933 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,480 the sixth round, which I didn't think was a warranted 934 00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:55,880 uh point deduction. But okay, now Donovan is winning the fight. Handling. 935 00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,159 Crocker is a good fighter, but not on the same 936 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,320 level as Donovan in my opinion, donnod it was the 937 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,880 big prospect, the rising guy, even though Crocker was undefeated. 938 00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:05,760 But good Irish fight. The crowd's going crazy and they're 939 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,000 making a fun fight. And again their stakes here because 940 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,199 it's an eliminator, you know, for a world title, so 941 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,079 that's a big deal for any of these guys. It's 942 00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,159 an IBF one hundred and forty seven pounds elimination fight. 943 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,599 So the winner is going to be in the mandatory 944 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:19,960 position for the belt that is currently held by Bootennis. 945 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,599 But obviously Ennis is having the unification with a man 946 00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:25,800 to Staniona, So the winner of this fight is supposed 947 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,559 to be the mandatory for the winner of that fight 948 00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:31,159 that will take place shortly meantime. Paddy Donovan, like I said, 949 00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:33,039 he's kicking his ass. He's winning the fight. He's even 950 00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:34,760 with the point the ducks and he's still winning, you know, 951 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,239 very very clearly. Now the eighth round comes around, he 952 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,320 gets another point taken away for a head butt, which 953 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,280 was the one of the worst calls I've seen. They 954 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,119 both had their heads on each other, there was no intent. 955 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,400 It was absolutely an accidental headbutt and both guys were 956 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,199 doing it, and Marcus McDonald took a point, but after 957 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,400 the fight resumed, Paddy Donovan is now kicking Lewis Crocker's 958 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,559 ass is about to knock him out. He knocks him 959 00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:01,559 down with a big shot and he barely survives. And 960 00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:04,519 I'm like, Okay, this fight's about to be over. And 961 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,800 what happens the referee. I mean, they're they're fighting at 962 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,519 you know, in close, and they're both roaring it. Yeah, 963 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,760 the clock is ticking down and the bell ends to 964 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,760 end the round. And yes, he threw a light punch 965 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,599 after the bell. Whether we can have a conversation whether 966 00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:24,159 he did it on purpose or not. I don't believe 967 00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:26,719 he did it on purpose. And it wasn't like Crocker 968 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,159 reacted to the bell either, and he threw it a 969 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:32,239 beat after the bell. It was after the bell, There's 970 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,639 no doubt about it. But it did not, in my opinion, 971 00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:36,000 based on the way I watch it and see in 972 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,199 the replace, did not rise to the level of a disqualification. 973 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,800 I think Marcus McDonald woke up on the wrong side 974 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,679 of the bed and was at the fuck somebody that day. 975 00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:44,559 As the bottom line. 976 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: There's another F word. 977 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,639 Speaker 2: I was just gonna draw the comparison to the morele 978 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,679 Benavetez late punch at the end of the eleventh round 979 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,159 in Las Vegas, and you were there ringside for that. 980 00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:57,960 That to me was more blatant than this one on 981 00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:01,239 Saturday night. Yes, it was late, and I understand late 982 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,360 at the end of the round I'm talking about. I 983 00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:07,079 understand the argument is too. We're hearing it differently on 984 00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:09,880 the TV audio. When the bell rings, I don't know, 985 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:13,639 We're not there. We weren't there. Marcus McDonald could well 986 00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:15,719 could the fighters hear it over the crowd? 987 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: Could McDonald hear it? 988 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 3: McDonald clearly heard the bell. You could tell if you 989 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,119 watch the fight. He definitely heard the bell. Whether Crocker 990 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,159 and and Donovan did is still I don't know. But 991 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,280 even if even if he felt like he's in the 992 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,159 sequence of throwing a punch that happens, it was not 993 00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:36,000 even if he heard the bell. That's not the kind 994 00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:38,679 of thing you're gonna dque a guy with, especially when 995 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,559 you know he's been kicking the other guy's ass, had 996 00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:43,880 him down earlier in the round, and you could have 997 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,480 maybe taken a point away. Maybe you could say it's 998 00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:48,440 a purposeful. You could have taken two points, but to 999 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,960 disqualify him in that position was absolutely bush league Marcus 1000 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,480 and McDonald needs to go. He's he did a worse job. 1001 00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: So you're now with me. 1002 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,519 Speaker 3: He did work with me. 1003 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,159 Speaker 2: You got to take action on these guys. If they 1004 00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:02,480 continue to do this. 1005 00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 3: Has the market. McDonald has a long track for does 1006 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:07,559 not correct. 1007 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 2: So let's see if the British Boxing Board of Control 1008 00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:13,360 does something about that, because clearly Eddie Hearn in the 1009 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,639 ring was saying, we're protesting. This is a horrible, horrible 1010 00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:17,719 decision by the referee. 1011 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,119 Speaker 3: Ed he's got both guys, so he's got a walk 1012 00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:21,599 of fine line. 1013 00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:23,519 Speaker 2: But he said, but he said, this is you know, 1014 00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:26,719 Crocker obviously deserved better than this. Even if you take 1015 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,079 another point away and warn him, if you do anything 1016 00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:30,639 else then I'm going to disqualify you. 1017 00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: But instead it's a dq. 1018 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,280 Speaker 2: On that and I've I've seen this in the past 1019 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,199 and they did not do this where the referee will 1020 00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:42,320 go ahead and count and if the fighter cannot get 1021 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,199 up because of the count and the bell did ring. 1022 00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:47,079 But if the fighter cannot get up, then you have 1023 00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:49,400 more of an out to say you did that after 1024 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,320 the round and I counted him out and now I'm 1025 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,039 going to dq you for what you did. He didn't 1026 00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:59,039 do that, Dan on Saturday. M uh the referee. 1027 00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,519 Speaker 3: Uh just it ruined a good fight. It was a 1028 00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:05,239 mess and and Patty Donovan got robbed. In my opinion, 1029 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,800 they're probably gonna do a rematch, you know, we'll see, 1030 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,079 but again, it shouldn't come to that. It should not 1031 00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:11,760 come to that the same way. You know, if they're 1032 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,800 gonna do a tank rematch with Roach, it should be 1033 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,039 because either he's got a rematch clause or it's such 1034 00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:18,800 a good fight that's what the public demands, and not 1035 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,920 because Lamont Roach got screwed out of a win. 1036 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 2: I'm with you, all right, let's still a little news 1037 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,039 and then some good nostalgia here on the pod. 1038 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,599 Speaker 1: So we left the air and there had not been an. 1039 00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 2: Official announcement, but while we were on the bet Us 1040 00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:35,679 Boxing Show, the announcement actually came Friday afternoon, officially May 1041 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,800 second pay per view triple header READD season US card. 1042 00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:44,519 Speaker 3: Not because the seasons, no no, no, no, no, no, let 1043 00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:46,239 me talk. It is not in anything to do with 1044 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,719 the reac season. It is branded. It's a ring magazine, 1045 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:49,360 the Ring. 1046 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,599 Speaker 2: What are they calling it with the the comics. 1047 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 3: It's the video game, but it's the Ring magazine branded event. 1048 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 2: So the ring event, not the reat season event. I 1049 00:45:57,039 --> 00:46:00,719 stand corrected. Triple header Times Square. We knew this because 1050 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,519 you had reported this and it had been talked about 1051 00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:07,119 that it's Ryan Garcia back against Roly Romero, who we 1052 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:08,880 talked about on the wrong end of a KO loss 1053 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,719 to Gervonte Davis last week. And Devin Haney against Jose Ramirez. 1054 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,760 Those are essentially are they calling it like co main 1055 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,559 events Cole mainz. 1056 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,159 Speaker 3: Here because they call a triple main event. 1057 00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:21,039 Speaker 2: Well, okay, but because the belief is those two were 1058 00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:24,000 going to fight each other coming up Garcia and Hane 1059 00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:25,559 May if they're both victorious, go ahead. 1060 00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:27,519 Speaker 3: They have a deal in place where they're fighting. This 1061 00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:32,360 interim bouts Orlando Romero against Ryan Garcia ridiculously for the 1062 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,840 vacant WBA regular welterweight title that Ryan Garcia after a 1063 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:41,280 drug suspension, and the antics leading into the first Devan 1064 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,800 Any fight gets to fight for some caliber of by 1065 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,840 world title whatever. Hani will fight Jose Ramirez, the former 1066 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,760 unified junior welterweight title. There they are both moving up 1067 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,360 to welterweight for this fight, and they already have a 1068 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,360 deal in place where if they both win, they are 1069 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,920 going to fight in Saudi Arabia in the fall. And 1070 00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:58,159 remember when this card, when Turkey first put out, he 1071 00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:00,519 didn't put out the details of the specific of the date, 1072 00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:03,239 just may or the location specifically in New York it 1073 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,599 was supposed to be on. The third fight was the 1074 00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:09,480 heavyweight eliminator for the IVF between Faa Jaga and Martin Bocolei, 1075 00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:11,719 but we all know what happened with Martin Boccoley the 1076 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,840 ib of Bouncton out of the eliminator because he went 1077 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,880 to Saudi Arabia and got knocked the fuck out by 1078 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,119 Joe Parker, So that took that fight off the table, 1079 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,599 and they were talking about having Tia Fimo Lopez do 1080 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,079 this cockamami fight on Alcatraz, which I thought was bizarre 1081 00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:26,480 in the first place. But now that there's no heavyweight 1082 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,119 fight with Boccoli and Faa Jaga on that card for 1083 00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:31,760 an eliminator, Tifa Mo Lopez is going to be on 1084 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,880 there now. He is still with top rank, but they've 1085 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,400 done a three fight deal with Turkey and this will 1086 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,519 be the first fight of that deal. So tia Fimo 1087 00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:41,199 will make a defense of the WBO in the lineal 1088 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,599 title against his WBO mandatory, which is Arnold Barbosa, who 1089 00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:49,320 recently won that significant fight so against Jack Catterrell. So 1090 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,559 he's going to have this opportunity to fight for the title. 1091 00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:53,599 And that's the trip letter. So you got three really 1092 00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:56,559 top names, you know as the A sides, three guys 1093 00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:59,679 who are going to be certainly underdogs, but they're good 1094 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,039 names also in those on those B side slots. And 1095 00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:06,400 they're gonna do this outside in Times Square. Supposedly we'll 1096 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,679 see how they how they situated. But that even the 1097 00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:12,000 bigger news in that was that probably just half an 1098 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,800 hour before we started taping the show, they posted on 1099 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:20,039 the Ring magazine social media platforms on the Instagram, there 1100 00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:22,960 was a photograph of Turkey al Chic, who was in 1101 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,320 New York, you know, because they've got the press conference 1102 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,719 for this fight coming up on Tuesday, and then I 1103 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,599 believe on Thursday they're gonna have another one for Canelo 1104 00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,320 Alvarez and William Skull. So he's in New York City. 1105 00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:34,639 He met and he took a picture with Jim Lampley 1106 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,679 and then there was a video Jim Lampley will be 1107 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,039 the voice of the of this particular card. He will 1108 00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:41,440 call the action for this trip letter ob his first 1109 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,480 time behind the mic doing a fight since HBO went 1110 00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:46,639 off the air at the end of twenty eighteen. You know, 1111 00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:49,159 there was a he flirted with doing fights with Triller 1112 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,559 and had a contract, but the fights never actually happened. 1113 00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:54,639 In coincidentally, was supposed to be for one of the 1114 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,559 Ta Fimo Lopez fights against Cambosis, but you all know 1115 00:48:57,639 --> 00:48:59,920 the story how it ended up with, you know, go 1116 00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:02,119 in a match from boxing because Triller defaulted on the purspit, 1117 00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:04,360 et cetera. Anyway, he never ended up doing a fight 1118 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,239 with them, So he literally has not called a fight 1119 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:09,440 since twenty eighteen. He's maintained involvement in boxing to some 1120 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,360 degree because he's been working with our friends at PPV 1121 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,000 dot com. Yeah, doing some stuff for those guys, videos 1122 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,760 and the chats on the night of the fights, like 1123 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,719 he did over the weekend with Tank Davis and the 1124 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,719 Lamont Roach. But to hear Jim back behind the mic, 1125 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,159 hey man, hopefully he goes into the training and he 1126 00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:24,480 sounds just as good as he always did. 1127 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,039 Speaker 2: Love it, love having him back. And again you also 1128 00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:31,760 have learned and put this on social media. This we 1129 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,840 wondered how it's gonna work, but apparently it's gonna be 1130 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,559 like a limited ticket event. But I mean, if you're 1131 00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:38,559 having it in Times Square, you want the public to 1132 00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:40,239 somehow see it, even if it's on like one of 1133 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,719 those TVs on one of those big buildings. I think 1134 00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,000 it's how are they going to do this or what 1135 00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:45,079 have we what have we found out? 1136 00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 3: They haven't announced anything, but I am told that they 1137 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,760 because of the location, they can't charge money for tickets 1138 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,079 because of where it is. It's not like a stadium, 1139 00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:54,079 there's not it's like in a street. They're gonna have 1140 00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:56,719 a law right by law, it's gonna be like invite 1141 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,800 only VIPs or whatever. They'll be of a limited number 1142 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,840 of people apparently the be able to go, or maybe 1143 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,159 they'll have first come, first serve and people will line up, 1144 00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:05,000 but you know, you know, one o'clock in the morning, 1145 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,639 you know, before they can get a ticket or something 1146 00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:08,400 like that, and they'll have a limited number of folks 1147 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,400 and get in from the public like that as well 1148 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,719 as invited folks that show up and most people who 1149 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,519 are going to see it are gonna watch it. Obviously 1150 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:16,920 they're going to buy the pay per view, But it 1151 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,880 is an interesting concept. You would think they would want 1152 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,039 to put this type of card with these names and 1153 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,320 and what's at stake, you know, in a bigger arena 1154 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,079 where everybody can see it. But they obviously have their. 1155 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,159 Speaker 1: Own way gathering attention. 1156 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,400 Speaker 2: And again, they could put the video of the fight 1157 00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:33,760 up around Times Square on some of the buildings. That 1158 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:34,960 would be a way to gather attention. 1159 00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 3: I'm just saying I'm interested to see, like how they 1160 00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:40,800 build it out because you know, obviously've done big events 1161 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,840 in Times Square, the ball that drops every New Year's 1162 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,599 even the concerts you know, on different TV shows and 1163 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,079 this and that, but they've never had a boxing event 1164 00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:49,840 that I'm aware of, So they have to build things out. 1165 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,440 You need a place with your production for your TV. 1166 00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:55,119 You need a place to have whatever fans are going 1167 00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:57,159 to be allowed in. Obviously you're going to have some 1168 00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:58,000 media there. 1169 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:02,519 Speaker 1: A place that houses the fighters near right dressing rooms. 1170 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,639 Speaker 3: Right bathrooms, and that kind of stuff to accommodate. He 1171 00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,400 didn't need a place for the commission to do their business. 1172 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,480 I mean you know, there's and again I'm not saying 1173 00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:12,280 they can't do it. I'm just not aware what the 1174 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:17,440 particulars are. But it's clearly a detail heavy, big, big 1175 00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:19,280 job to do an event like this in that location. 1176 00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:20,400 Speaker 1: So we'll learn more. 1177 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,480 Speaker 2: And you want to clarify too, that this was supposed 1178 00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:26,079 to be Fa Jagba and Martin Bocoli. We've explained and 1179 00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:29,320 you were explaining the other night off the Bocoli loss. 1180 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,840 He's not part of that. But we don't know right now. 1181 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,199 Is a Jagba still on the card to be determined? 1182 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,679 Maybe maybe not, We don't know. 1183 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,800 Speaker 3: At this point. It's you know, who knows he's going 1184 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,840 to be ordered to fight somebody else in the IBF. 1185 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,280 I doubt that will get done before this fight takes place. 1186 00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 2: All right, So, and again that is Friday night, May 1187 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,599 the second, So stay tuned for more of the announce Here's. 1188 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,440 Speaker 3: What I'm trying to figure it out. Yeah, so if 1189 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,480 Turkey Alschic is going to be in New York on 1190 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,159 May second for this card, I would imagine it'll be 1191 00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:56,239 in New York because it's the first. You know, it's 1192 00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,880 a big deal for him doing a fight in New York. 1193 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,079 City in Times Square the first fight card that's branded 1194 00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:05,960 Ring Magazine. But on the third he's got Canelo Alvarez 1195 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,920 against William Skull. So I mean, I guess it's conceivable, 1196 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,000 like the fight ends, and what takes a private jet 1197 00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:13,079 from New York back to Saudi Arabi. I guess it's 1198 00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:15,360 not out of the rum of possibility, but it'll be 1199 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,159 interesting to see how that works. And the other thing 1200 00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:19,320 I have a question about and I don't have an answer. 1201 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,960 Hopefully i'll find out in this, you know, in the 1202 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,239 next few days when they do the press conference. Is 1203 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,800 remember Ryan Garcia is now returned to train with Eddie 1204 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,840 Reinoso was also the trainer for Kenelo Alvarez. I'm trying 1205 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,960 to understand how if Eddie is his trainer, how is 1206 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,719 he going to be exact with Ryan Garcia and he's 1207 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,480 not leaving Canelo to go to Saudi Arabi by himself. 1208 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,880 That's his guy, that's he's been with him for his 1209 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,000 whole career. So that's there's some logistics that need to 1210 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:43,800 get figured out there. 1211 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:45,480 Speaker 1: You're wondering. 1212 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,800 Speaker 2: Maybe you know, they go through the training camp and 1213 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,360 then he has whoever the qualified chief second or second 1214 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,320 in command is is maybe with Ryan Garcia. 1215 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,599 Speaker 3: But you know the thing is Eddie. Eddie doesn't usually 1216 00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:58,000 keep a big stable, so he usually doesn't have other 1217 00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,800 assistants that travel. But Vibert Garcia, for example, who's got 1218 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,639 a lot of fighters. He has other people that he 1219 00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:07,000 works with, like his son for example, who is a 1220 00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:10,159 gun handled fighters. Plenty of times when Robert might have 1221 00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:12,280 another obligation on it given night and they did the 1222 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,599 up the work like that. His father is around to 1223 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,760 help out as well, and they have you know, other 1224 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,400 assistants too. Freddie Roach has always when these when he 1225 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,599 was very busy with guys, he always had like his 1226 00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:24,000 second that he could send. For a time it was 1227 00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:26,119 Marvin's emodio. At one point there a little while was 1228 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,119 Michael Moore. But anyway, I don't think that that Eddie 1229 00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,280 to my knowledge, doesn't have that guy. So it'll be 1230 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,639 interesting to see how they handle this situation between Tank, 1231 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,199 I mean not Tank, but Ryan and Canelo fighting within 1232 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,280 the span of twenty four hours, but on two super continents. 1233 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, a long way away, all right. One more news 1234 00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:43,400 on them. 1235 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,239 Speaker 2: The WBC is updating some of its statuses for divisions, 1236 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:53,039 including they want David Benavitez to get the shot if 1237 00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:56,159 a new un disputed champion Dmitri Beevil For what that's worth. 1238 00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,960 What else is coming out of these announcements of what. 1239 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,639 Speaker 3: Every every so often, like every quarter usually or thereabouts, 1240 00:54:03,679 --> 00:54:06,239 they'll send out, uh a note with update for all 1241 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,360 of the divisions. Now, some of the stuff is the same, 1242 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,119 and they start with the preface of what they order 1243 00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:12,280 at the convention that took place in December, and then 1244 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,760 they tell you how it played out and what's next. So, uh, 1245 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,400 there was a few divisions where there was a few 1246 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,840 things that were updated, uh, you know, not exactly earth 1247 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,840 shattering stuff like they updated like you know, Kevin Lorena's 1248 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,480 situation for his bridgerweight title. Not huge breaking news necessary, 1249 00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:27,960 But in the light heavyweight division, you know now that 1250 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,679 the Bevo Better BF fights are over for the time 1251 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,760 being and Bibol is now the new undisputed light heavyweight champion. 1252 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,119 The WBC said in their in their missive that that 1253 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,760 Bivol must next fight David Benavitez, who was the interim 1254 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,079 champion and the and the mandatory. Now, uh so they 1255 00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:47,519 made that that point. Now that's well and good, but 1256 00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:50,199 the problem is a couple of things. One, there might 1257 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,519 be a third fight between Better BV and b BOL, 1258 00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:55,199 which we'll see what happens with the belts. Maybe it 1259 00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:57,880 won't be for undisputed. And even if it's going to 1260 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,079 be for the Belts, I think the WBC forgot or 1261 00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:03,840 just decided to cut the line. However they wanted to 1262 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,239 look at it is that when they made the rematch 1263 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,599 being Better BVMBVOL, they did so because the IBF mandatory 1264 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,079 was up next, which was Michael Eiffert from Germany. He 1265 00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:15,400 agreed to a step aside deal. He didn't agree to 1266 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,159 a step aside deal for multiple fights. He agreed to 1267 00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:19,960 let them do the unification for undisputed. He's supposed to 1268 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,119 be the next challenger. Now you may disagree with that, 1269 00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:23,639 you may say he doesn't deserve it, you may not 1270 00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:25,480 know who he is, but that does not change the 1271 00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:27,840 fact that he is the IBF mandatory and he's already 1272 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,199 taken one step aside deal. So they have to deal 1273 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,519 with him, and then that can have to see what's 1274 00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:34,599 happening with Better b OF. Now that's not to say 1275 00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:36,679 they can't make another deal with Eiffert, pay him money 1276 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,920 to stand aside and make the bigger fight with Benavides 1277 00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:41,400 if there's not going to be a bivil better BF 1278 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,480 number three. But the point is just because the WBC 1279 00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:45,719 said it, when the updated their status, doesn't mean it 1280 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,119 will necessarily take place. And then they went through a 1281 00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:51,599 few other things. They reiterated, for example that with Carlos 1282 00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:54,760 A Damas at Middleway getting the draw against Hamsey Sharaz, 1283 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,880 they had already said beforehand that he would have to 1284 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,519 do two mandatories. One was Sharaz, because that's the rule. 1285 00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:02,079 If you win the vacant belt, he now is obligated 1286 00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:05,199 to fight a Russian fighter and named Mariam and Nurstazilov. 1287 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,159 We'll see if they can get that going, what that's 1288 00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:10,280 going to be like. They announce a title eliminator in 1289 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,000 the welterweight division that was rescheduled that had been canceled 1290 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,039 because of a previous injury, which is actually a very 1291 00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:18,920 solid fight solo man Sosoko against the mean machine Kavalowskis. 1292 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,000 That's a very interesting fight to make the mandatory in 1293 00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:24,840 the WBC welterweight division. So those were just some of 1294 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,880 the examples. They also reiterated that if Pueo won the 1295 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,159 fight against Sander Martin, which ultimately he did that he 1296 00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:33,280 would be allowed to have a voluntary defense, which is 1297 00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:35,440 the reason why perhaps they could make the Gary On 1298 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,559 Twin Russell fight. They also made it knowing that Dalton 1299 00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:41,559 Smith is now the official mandatory and so he'll get 1300 00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:43,639 an opportunity at some point. He's a very good up 1301 00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:46,239 and coming British fighter, and they went through all the divisions, 1302 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:47,559 but those are the ones. Oh the other thing that 1303 00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:50,000 was interesting, and this is not like a big secret, 1304 00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:51,599 but they were the first ones that sort of put 1305 00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:53,679 it out there at any kind of official capacity, the 1306 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,079 undisputed champion that junior featherweight now you in a way 1307 00:56:56,519 --> 00:56:58,679 everybody knows if you follow knows that they're bringing them 1308 00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:00,840 to the United States to fight in his next fight. 1309 00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:03,320 The date for that has been rumored to be May fifth. 1310 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,920 They said that's now gonna be May fifth. So they 1311 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,559 haven't announced the specifics on the opponents in this net 1312 00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:11,199 but they're working to get that squared away. But it's 1313 00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:13,679 gonna make for a very very interesting weekend because on 1314 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,199 May second, you're gonna have the big show in New 1315 00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:20,360 York City. Obviously, with the fights that we were just discussing, 1316 00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:23,400 that's on the on the Friday night on May third, 1317 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,440 they're gonna do the fight, uh, you know with Canelo 1318 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,920 in uh, and they're gonna have this fight on the 1319 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,400 fifth of May, which is Monday, which is the time 1320 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:34,920 that they like to have the fights in Japan. 1321 00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 1: Uh. 1322 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,199 Speaker 3: And that this would be a literally on single demayo 1323 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,719 in Las Vegas. So it's gonna be a big on 1324 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,840 you know. That is interesting, Yeah. 1325 00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:46,400 Speaker 2: As it comes as it comes about. Okay, Uh, Now 1326 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:47,679 to the nostalgia, and I. 1327 00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:49,440 Speaker 3: Wouldn't be surprised by the way if if maybe the 1328 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,599 BC was jumping the gu little bit and maybe they 1329 00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:53,760 ended up making that fight on the fourth on the 1330 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,039 Sunday on Sunday for in a way yeah possibly. 1331 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,840 Speaker 2: Unless of course, in a ways maybe fighting out Mexican fighter, 1332 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,480 and then it makes some sense maybe to do it 1333 00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:04,400 on Monday. But Monday not a great day, especially in 1334 00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:08,199 Vegas exactly. So there's a point to be made, all right, nostalgia. 1335 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,119 It was twenty five years ago, Monday, March three of 1336 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,519 two thousand that Felix Tito Trinidad, who we've talked about 1337 00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:19,920 a lot recently here in the nostalgia on the pods 1338 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,559 were defeated and we're gonna talk about him here. 1339 00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:24,800 Speaker 3: He defeated David ree When did we talk about him recently? 1340 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,760 Speaker 1: We talked about him. You were talking about him about. 1341 00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:30,320 Speaker 2: The the Oscar de la Joya fight and the big 1342 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,159 rally by Dale Oajoya and how it related to Dike 1343 00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:34,679 Quarte and all of that, and we talked about him 1344 00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:36,400 about another fight recently too, something else. 1345 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:37,760 Speaker 1: There was another anniversary with Tito. 1346 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,039 Speaker 2: There was recent but now Tito defeating David Reid is 1347 00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:45,519 twenty five years ago Monday, March third, two thousand. Read 1348 00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:49,719 the former US Olympian, the gold medalist, Trinidad won the 1349 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:55,079 WBA middleweight title. Yeah, excuse me, junior middleweight title. So 1350 00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:57,960 tell me more about Tito Trinidad in the prime of 1351 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,039 his career, still there in March of. 1352 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,920 Speaker 3: This is the dead prime of Tito Trinidad. He started 1353 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,039 a run that was very historical and impressive. Now he 1354 00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:10,360 had defeated controversially so Oscar de la Hoya in September 1355 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,480 of nineteen ninety nine to unify two of the welterweight titles. 1356 00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:15,559 At the time, it was the biggest non heavyweight pay 1357 00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:17,800 per view fight in boxing history. It did one point 1358 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,239 four million buys, and it made Trinidad even a bigger 1359 00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:22,440 star than he was, and obviously Oscar was already a superstar. 1360 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,039 And so after that fight was over, he vacated the 1361 00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:26,639 titles and he moved up to Jingior Middleway and he 1362 00:59:26,679 --> 00:59:29,239 started what was a three fight reign of terror, as 1363 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,519 I like to call it. It was a very impressive 1364 00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:33,639 three fight run and started with the David Reid fight. 1365 00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:35,960 David had won the WBA title. They had moved him 1366 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,760 very quickly because he had the drewpy Island. If you 1367 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,480 go back and you can google David Reid Drew Biiland, 1368 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,400 you can read all about it. The true yes, but 1369 00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:45,599 David was undefeated at the time. He was fourteen to 1370 00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:47,559 zero and it was considered a toss up fight. People 1371 00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:49,599 weren't sure how Trinidad was going to be at one 1372 00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:51,400 hundred and fifty four member Tito, even though he was 1373 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,599 a great fighter, he'd been knocked down several times and 1374 00:59:53,639 --> 00:59:55,800 now you're going in with a much bigger guy. Anyway, 1375 00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:57,519 they did this fight on pay per view. It was 1376 00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:00,440 a Friday night outside at Caesar's Palace, one of the 1377 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,280 last fights they did like that through the years, and 1378 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,599 Tito Trinidad. It was a somewhat competitive fight for the 1379 01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:08,599 first six rounds. It was, you know, pretty much a 1380 01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:10,679 toss up fight. But in the second half of the fight, 1381 01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:16,000 Tito Trinidad put an absolute fucking destructive beating on David Reid. 1382 01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:19,079 He didn't stop him, but he did everything other than that. 1383 01:00:19,159 --> 01:00:22,920 It was an absolutely devastating performance. He knocked him down 1384 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,679 in round seven, He beat him up, He knocked him 1385 01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:28,480 down three times in the eleventh round. He did get 1386 01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:31,199 a point deducted for a low blow in the eleventh round. 1387 01:00:31,519 --> 01:00:33,639 But the thing about this fight, and I always remember this, 1388 01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:37,400 on one of those knockdowns, and it's absolutely disgusting, David 1389 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,719 Reid got up and he put his glove to his 1390 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,360 nose and he like blew out his nose because he 1391 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,519 had gotten obviously hit. And when I tell you that, 1392 01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:47,639 it was like either brains or snot shilly string shot 1393 01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:50,199 across the ring. It was one of the most disgusting 1394 01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:52,719 things I've ever seen. He took such an ass kicking 1395 01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:55,760 in that fight. He was never the same. He lost 1396 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,480 lopsided and got absolutely pummeled. And then Trinidad moved on 1397 01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:01,519 and this was the first fight of Trinidad's I covered. 1398 01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:04,519 I had just gotten hired to be the boxing writer 1399 01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:07,159 for a USA Today, but so I did not cover 1400 01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:09,840 the Trinidad fight in person, but I watched it knowing 1401 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,239 I was going to be writing boxing for USA Day 1402 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,280 starting in a few weeks. So the first fight at 1403 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,119 cover was a few months later. He had a mandatory 1404 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,639 against Mammadu Tiam who he defeated in three rounds on 1405 01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:22,599 a knockout, blew up his eye and stopped him. And 1406 01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:24,519 then the third fight of this destructive reign was one 1407 01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:27,400 of the great fights. Probably the greatest championship fight in 1408 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,039 junior middleweight history was when he had the unification against 1409 01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:33,599 field likex Tito Trinidad against Fernando Vargas and they put 1410 01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:36,079 on an absolute war and he stopped him in round 1411 01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:39,719 number twelve in an amazing, legendary fight. But the David 1412 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,760 Reid fight was the first of those three dominating performances 1413 01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:44,719 in the one fifty four way class before he went 1414 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,800 up and won the middleweight belt against William Joppy. But 1415 01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:50,320 the David Reid fight was a spectacular, spectacular performance. And 1416 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,519 by the way, when he beat David Reid, he had 1417 01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:55,239 defeated another Olympic gold medalist. His previous fight, he had 1418 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,159 defeated the Olympic gold medalist Oscar de la Hoya, and 1419 01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:01,000 two fights before that he had defeated the Olympic gold 1420 01:02:01,039 --> 01:02:03,440 medalist Prono Whinaker. So that's a pretty good run. The 1421 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,840 Puerto Rican work on the American gold medalist. 1422 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,199 Speaker 2: Yes, he had a lot of success against them. And 1423 01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:11,960 again that was twenty five years ago. Wow on that 1424 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,320 all right, So back up to Saturday for March. First, 1425 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,679 come forward eight years March first, two thousand and eight. 1426 01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:24,119 That is Vasquez Marquez three, the two thousand and eight 1427 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,800 fight of the year, again the first day of March, 1428 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,559 with nine more months to go. It was the fight 1429 01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:33,920 of the year as Israel Vasquez won the decision and 1430 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:40,239 retained the WBC Junior Featherweight title. Memorable, memorable series of fights, 1431 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:41,360 including this third one. 1432 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,320 Speaker 3: Tell me more, well, they had four fights. We kind 1433 01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,599 of disavowed the fourth one, which would never have happened. 1434 01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:49,400 That was a terrible mismatch at that time because it 1435 01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:52,079 just at that point, you know, Vasquez was just a 1436 01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:54,000 shove himself. And of course we know that Israel Basque 1437 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,719 has recently passed away, and you know, there was a 1438 01:02:56,719 --> 01:02:58,840 lot of love and a lot of stuff, but this 1439 01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:01,800 was really this was the signature win probably of his 1440 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,119 entire career. Now, they had fought three times in a row. 1441 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,440 They had fought the first fight in March of two 1442 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,760 thousand and seven and Israel Vasquez you know, suffered a 1443 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,920 broken nose and got stopped in the seventh round. That 1444 01:03:12,039 --> 01:03:13,920 was a WBC one hundred and twenty two pound world 1445 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,920 title fight that he you know lost. He lost the title. 1446 01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:20,639 They had an immediate rematch five months later and that 1447 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,159 was a six round knock that were avenged the loss 1448 01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:25,880 and he regained the title. That was a spectacular fight. Now, 1449 01:03:26,199 --> 01:03:30,480 because Marquez won against Vasquez and Vasquez Marquez two both 1450 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,800 took place in the calendar year of two thousand and seven, 1451 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,400 only one of them could win the fight of the year. 1452 01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:36,119 So the winner of that fight of the year was 1453 01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:38,719 the second fight. But in any other year, if the 1454 01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:41,599 Vasquez Marquez had been in the end of twenty four six, 1455 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,119 it would have probably been the fight of the year 1456 01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:44,400 and they would have had two in a row. So 1457 01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:46,760 right away he got one fight of the year, but 1458 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,480 it really could have been too. Then they had the 1459 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,760 third fight back to back to back. This was again 1460 01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,280 March of two thousand and eight, so in the span 1461 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,239 of one year, a couple of days less than one year, 1462 01:03:56,239 --> 01:03:59,719 they fought three absolutely hillatious, brutal, ruling fights. But this 1463 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,199 third one was the best of all of them in 1464 01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:05,159 my opinion. It went the distance. It was an absolutely 1465 01:04:05,239 --> 01:04:10,159 hillatious fucking battle. I mean, beyond anybody's normal comprehension of 1466 01:04:10,199 --> 01:04:11,960 what these two athletes could take from each other. It 1467 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,880 was just a spectacular fight and it was highly competitive, 1468 01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:18,239 you know, But in the end it came down, excuse me, 1469 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:22,280 came down where you had him knocking down Vasquez in 1470 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,440 the fourth round. Marquez, that is, punished him in the 1471 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,519 seventh a lot of jabs, a lot of right hands. 1472 01:04:28,519 --> 01:04:31,239 It was just a and then they just back and forth. 1473 01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,719 Was over the top. I mean, the action was absolutely wild. 1474 01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:38,079 Now in the end of the fight, in the final 1475 01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:40,400 seconds of the of the twelfth round, so you know 1476 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,119 the fight's about to end, and you're like, okay, we know, 1477 01:04:43,199 --> 01:04:46,119 we think we know how this is going. Marquez got 1478 01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:48,960 knocked down and that's ended up what it only he 1479 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,920 got knocked down because the ropes kept him from falling. 1480 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,960 But the referee made the right call because he would 1481 01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,280 have been out of the ring, and that's what changed 1482 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,440 the result of the fight, and he ended up winning. 1483 01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:02,280 Vasquez ended up winning a split. This same just an amazing, 1484 01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:03,320 amazing fight. 1485 01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:07,960 Speaker 2: So what you're saying is a knockdown in the final 1486 01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:13,079 round seventeen years ago was the one point difference, as 1487 01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:15,760 it turns out on at least one card for that fight. 1488 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,000 And here we are seventeen years later talking about a 1489 01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:22,039 knockdown that didn't get called a knockdown that would have 1490 01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:25,079 totally reversed the decision for Lamont roach against. 1491 01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:27,880 Speaker 3: The way that it went was that Vascuz ended up 1492 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,599 winning one fourteen to one eleven and one thirteen to 1493 01:05:31,639 --> 01:05:33,360 one twelve, and then the other judge had at one 1494 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,320 fourteen to one eleven in favor of Marquez, so. 1495 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,719 Speaker 1: That we have a draw. So we have a draw 1496 01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:40,440 if that had not been a knockdown. 1497 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,679 Speaker 3: So but I mean, it really is that that put 1498 01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:48,280 the forget the fourth fight. The first three fights back 1499 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,920 to back to back is just some of the most 1500 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,760 electrifying combat you can see in boxing. Just when you 1501 01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:59,039 think about, like the definition of the quintessential stereotypical Mexican 1502 01:05:59,079 --> 01:06:02,920 warrior boxer. That's what these two guys did in those 1503 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,440 first three fights. I mean, there's not much that you 1504 01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,800 can compare it to. There's lots of great Mexican fighters 1505 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,559 have had great fights, but I don't think you can 1506 01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:12,440 think of a trilogy where it's Mexican versus Mexican who 1507 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:13,639 did what they did to each other. 1508 01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:16,440 Speaker 2: Barrera Morales is around the same time, but you're saying, 1509 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,559 in your opinion, this is better for those three fights. 1510 01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,840 Speaker 3: The reason I say that is because as inglorious and 1511 01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,239 amazing and as popular as the Bura Morales trilogy are, 1512 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,159 and it's higher profile because it was on a bigger 1513 01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:27,559 TV channel and it got a lot more love, some 1514 01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:29,199 big pay per views at the end of that the 1515 01:06:29,239 --> 01:06:31,119 second and third or pay per view fights, it got 1516 01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:33,519 a huge amount of hype. The second fight was a 1517 01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:35,320 really good fight, but it didn't come close to living 1518 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,559 up to what the other fights were. For one and 1519 01:06:37,639 --> 01:06:41,039 three are spectacular in this trilogy. The first three, all one, two, 1520 01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:43,800 and three are sensational. Like I said, two thousand and 1521 01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,519 seven Fight of the Year, two thousand and eight Fight 1522 01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:47,119 of the Year, and the only reason fight number one 1523 01:06:47,239 --> 01:06:48,880 wasn't also a Fight of the Year was just had 1524 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,880 the misfortune of taking place a few months in to 1525 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,880 two thousand and seven as opposed to two thousand and six, 1526 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,599 And so it's an awesome it's an awesome trilogy, even 1527 01:06:57,639 --> 01:06:59,480 though technically it's a four fight series. I like to 1528 01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,320 think of it as a trilogy with a bonus garbage 1529 01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:03,199 thrown out the end of it. 1530 01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:07,280 Speaker 2: And so Vasquez got that win on March one, March 1531 01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,039 first in two thousand and eight, seventeen years ago. 1532 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:11,000 Speaker 1: There we go. 1533 01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:14,679 Speaker 2: There's some nostalgia again, a ton on this recap pot 1534 01:07:14,719 --> 01:07:16,719 it is a brand new month again. Rate us and 1535 01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:22,320 review us. Those ratings do help keep engaged with us. Follow, subscribe, 1536 01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,440 find the Big Fight Weekend YouTube channel as well for 1537 01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:29,000 other content clips of these shows to see Rayfield ranting 1538 01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:32,119 and swearing on video, just like what you're hearing here 1539 01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:35,079 on the podcast feed. Other than that, are we good, 1540 01:07:35,159 --> 01:07:37,639 my friend? As the month of monch March is now off. 1541 01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,360 Speaker 3: And we're good. 1542 01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:40,000 Speaker 1: I think we are. 1543 01:07:41,199 --> 01:07:45,079 Speaker 2: Thank you for finding us wherever you found us here 1544 01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:47,280 as we preview going into the weekend, we recap coming 1545 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,760 off the weekend for Dan Rayfield, I'm merely TJ Reeves 1546 01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,719 It is the Fight Preach Unit Recap podcast