Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey guys, and I'm feeling a little bit better.
Speaker 2: Well you'd better because we're doing a podcast called.
Speaker 1: A Strange Thing Podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Mike, and I'm Austin, and we are.
Speaker 1: Coming at July from the Strangers Strangers Zoom, and we're
Speaker 1: your hosts.
Speaker 2: We are. Last episode, we had a fun time talking
Speaker 2: about Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1: Yep, and hopefully all you find ladies and gentlemen survived
Speaker 1: your Valentine's Days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that you had a great Valentine's Day. You gave
Speaker 2: really good Valentine's Day gifts and your didn't.
Speaker 1: It's not all about gifts, I.
Speaker 2: Know, But whatever it is, maybe they gave good hugs,
Speaker 2: maybe kisses, who knows. Maybe they just had longing in
Speaker 2: their eyes.
Speaker 1: Or they hung out by themselves and watched quarantined.
Speaker 2: It could be. But whatever he did, I hope he
Speaker 2: had a good Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1: So last time we talked about Valentine's Day and some
Speaker 1: of its weird history, and we ended on a high
Speaker 1: note of Cupid.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a high note, but we
Speaker 2: ended on a note Aupid. Yeah. I don't know, he flies,
Speaker 2: Maybe he's high maybe maybe he does shroons. Maybe he's really.
Speaker 1: Maybe he drank too much Red Bull and I gave
Speaker 1: him wings.
Speaker 2: I don't know about wings. Why would red Bull give
Speaker 2: you wings? The commercial gold gives you wings? Get Cupid? Cupid,
Speaker 2: would you like a red Bull already have word?
Speaker 1: Yes, But you've been the god of love for over
Speaker 1: three thousand years and you're still single. Oh, that's just
Speaker 1: what I need.
Speaker 2: Red Bull gives you wings. You need to watch more
Speaker 2: TV or is it on social media.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you could find it on social media. But no, o,
Speaker 1: the old commercials they still make him.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've seen that one. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was thinking about Cupid. And there's that one animated three
Speaker 2: D movie by Walt Disney called Tangled, and they go
Speaker 2: to that one kind of tavern and there's a Cupid
Speaker 2: guy that flies around the room. That's kind of the
Speaker 2: typical kind of Cupid that we talk about. But he
Speaker 2: really wasn't that guy. No, No, he is actually Eos,
Speaker 2: the god of love, the god love.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: And so it's kind of a natural like springboard into
Speaker 2: our next topic called strange gods.
Speaker 1: Strange gods.
Speaker 2: Now it's a little strange to do an episode about gods.
Speaker 2: So we're going to do multiple episodes about gods because
Speaker 2: there's a bajillion. There's a bajillion of them, and they
Speaker 2: are very strange, well not all of them, but some.
Speaker 1: Of them, like we've talked about before, they seem to
Speaker 1: be connected somehow.
Speaker 2: They are kind of all connected.
Speaker 1: Lovers in the nighttime, there's that thousand lovers in the
Speaker 1: night time.
Speaker 2: But then you can also just take the basic name god,
Speaker 2: right or deity. So the definition of a god or
Speaker 2: a deity is kind of simple. A deity or a
Speaker 2: god or goddess is basically a superhuman being or spirit
Speaker 2: that's worshiped as having power over nature or other human
Speaker 2: forms or fortunes. So they can be a creator, they
Speaker 2: can just be something that influences things. And depending on
Speaker 2: which God you're talking about, in which culture that they
Speaker 2: come from, they have a whole different host and variety
Speaker 2: of skills or talents or abilities backstories. Yeah, so that
Speaker 2: brings us to a whole nother side of this equation
Speaker 2: that we're going to be talking about, and that is
Speaker 2: the whole idea of God's working together with other gods
Speaker 2: and kind of a government or Illuminati kind of secret
Speaker 2: society system. Yeah, they're not really secret, but godless. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they call them divine counsels, so god, Yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: So basically what that is is that they have a
Speaker 2: council of all these deities that preside over the lives
Speaker 2: of a certain group of people or a religion. Take
Speaker 2: the Greeks for example, they had a divine council of gods,
Speaker 2: and all these gods together were also known as a pantheon.
Speaker 2: So all of these different pantheons are basically an elaborate
Speaker 2: group of deities that come together collectively in what you
Speaker 2: would call a divine.
Speaker 1: Council or godly god. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know that's kind of rudimentary, but I think it's
Speaker 2: something that's kind of important to talk about because just
Speaker 2: about every major culture, especially the ancient cultures, had their
Speaker 2: own pantheon of gods and goddesses, and some of them
Speaker 2: actually had a divine council, but some of them were
Speaker 2: more like free spirited gods that just kind of were
Speaker 2: all autonomous and they did their own thing. So maybe
Speaker 2: they didn't have a divine council, but they would still
Speaker 2: be a pantheon because they were gods and deities that
Speaker 2: were specific to a certain group of people or religion.
Speaker 2: A good example of that would be like the Hindu gods,
Speaker 2: because there are bazillions of Hindu gods. Another thing we
Speaker 2: should probably talk about, because we don't want to be
Speaker 2: disrespectful to anybody, is that we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: this as you know, strange gods. But for a lot
Speaker 2: of people on the face of this planet, these deities
Speaker 2: are not what they would quantify as strange. So when
Speaker 2: we say strange, we're using the word as something that's
Speaker 2: unique and unfamiliar to most of the people that hear
Speaker 2: about it, or at least us. And so I guarantee
Speaker 2: you that if you're a Geneo Christian background, your idea
Speaker 2: of God is strange to somebody who has like a
Speaker 2: Hindu belief system where there are multiple gods, which brings
Speaker 2: us to another part of this that we should probably
Speaker 2: talk about. So there are basically two different types of
Speaker 2: god systems or deity systems or classifications, and that is
Speaker 2: monotheism and.
Speaker 1: Stereotheism and polytheism.
Speaker 2: Obviously, the words kind of give it away, but if
Speaker 2: you believe in one God that rules everything, he's the
Speaker 2: divine over the entire universe. That is a monotheistic religion.
Speaker 2: If you believe in there are multiple gods that collectively
Speaker 2: get together in divine Council and they rule over humanity
Speaker 2: and the universe, then that would be a polytheistic deity system.
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's kind of our basic stuff. We need
Speaker 2: to get out of the way before we talk about it.
Speaker 2: And like I said, we don't want to offend anybody.
Speaker 2: So if we laugh or we talk about things that
Speaker 2: and maybe even make them sound silly, we don't mean
Speaker 2: any disrespect. It's just that to us where we sit
Speaker 2: here in North America that typically is mostly monotheistic, some
Speaker 2: of the other things that are more or distant, they
Speaker 2: will feel more strange. And so forgive us if we
Speaker 2: offend you.
Speaker 1: Perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's get out with this baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, just off the top of your head, how
Speaker 2: many pantheons do you think there are in the world?
Speaker 1: A million?
Speaker 2: I don't know about a million, but there are a
Speaker 2: lot tons of pantheons. I just googled it and just
Speaker 2: went to the wiki page. Yeah. I just went to
Speaker 2: Wikipedia and just typed in worldwide pantheons, And I don't
Speaker 2: know there must be at least forty. And these are
Speaker 2: all of them that come up, and so I'm just
Speaker 2: going to go through a few of them because you know,
Speaker 2: it's interesting. Yeah, So here are just a few. We
Speaker 2: have the African pantheons. We have Armenian pantheons, Aztec pantheons,
Speaker 2: Buddhist pantheons, Berber pantheons, Berber Berber, not justin Bieber. It's Berber,
Speaker 2: and not to be confused with baby food Gerber. It's
Speaker 2: the Life company, that's right. It's the Berber pantheon pantheons.
Speaker 2: There's the Canaanite atheon, the Celtic pantheon, the Chinese pantheon,
Speaker 2: the Egyptian pantheon, the Germanic pantheon, xpreca Deutschen Pantheono Pantheono,
Speaker 2: and that would be Italian. Oh, what do you know,
Speaker 2: there is probably an Italian pantheon or Roman. We've got
Speaker 2: the Greek pantheon, the Hindu pantheon, the ink and Pantheon,
Speaker 2: the Irish pantheon, the Jain pantheon, the Japanese pantheon, the
Speaker 2: Japanese Buddhist pantheon, the Maya Pantheon, the Native American pantheons,
Speaker 2: which there are quite a few of those. And if
Speaker 2: you've listened to any of our podcasts on Petroglyss, we
Speaker 2: talked a little bit about some of the deity structures
Speaker 2: in Native America. We've got Norse pantheon, nice fun to
Speaker 2: look at. We've got the rig Vedic pantheon, the Roman pantheon,
Speaker 2: the Slavic pantheon, the Samerian pantheon, and the Oruba pantheon.
Speaker 2: And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 1: Geez.
Speaker 2: And you know, you could get into the little subcategories
Speaker 2: of each culture that we you know, we just listed,
Speaker 2: and each little click and subset of the people in
Speaker 2: those cultures probably have their own divergent pantheon. And it's
Speaker 2: something that's very very common.
Speaker 1: I think people should take a drink every time you
Speaker 1: say pantheon, pantheon.
Speaker 2: It's a fun word. They might die just say it's
Speaker 2: a pantheon.
Speaker 1: Pantheon.
Speaker 2: I like to run through the house with my pantheon.
Speaker 1: And they'll put your big old pantheon.
Speaker 2: Put your big panthes on. Okay, that's stupid, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's really interesting. And you know, this is a
Speaker 2: big topic not just in ancient cultures. A lot of
Speaker 2: these myths and legends are still very active today. And
Speaker 2: so even though some of these things may sound, you know,
Speaker 2: really ancient and barbaric, a lot of them are still going,
Speaker 2: especially in like some of the Eastern religions and culture groups.
Speaker 2: They're pantheons are live and active, but there's a lot
Speaker 2: of sacrificing and things that still go on in the
Speaker 2: honor of these gods and hoping that people will be blessed.
Speaker 2: So have you heard the book called American Gods?
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 2: It's a two thousand and one novel by a guy
Speaker 2: named Neil.
Speaker 1: Gimon, and it was about Dunaldus Trump Andeus and Josephine
Speaker 1: Biadinius and their battle for power.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what you're talking about. That's a
Speaker 2: definite no.
Speaker 1: Okay, used to make it up? Yeah, Donald Trump? No,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: See, I didn't even catch it. I'm slow. Sorry. Yeah. No.
Speaker 2: It's a book about this guy in America who basically
Speaker 2: runs into this whole subculture of gods that are actually gods.
Speaker 2: But because you don't need gods in our society anymore,
Speaker 2: they've kind of lost their power and so these gods
Speaker 2: are walking around in human form, and that's.
Speaker 1: What it's about. It's like a fiction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fiction book, a documentary. And so because
Speaker 2: nobody believes in them, they no longer can do or
Speaker 2: be their miraculous selves. What kind of happens is that
Speaker 2: people start believing in these gods and they start getting
Speaker 2: their powers back. And some of them are evil and
Speaker 2: some of them are good. Some of them are just
Speaker 2: kind of in between. They're kind of benign. It's a
Speaker 2: really interesting story. I mean, I read the book I
Speaker 2: think when it first come out in like two thousand
Speaker 2: and two, and it left to Mark. You know, I
Speaker 2: didn't believe in it or anything like that. It was
Speaker 2: a work of fiction, but at the same time, it
Speaker 2: kind of made you think. It had some points that
Speaker 2: were kind of interesting. And so now they've made a
Speaker 2: TV series and you can watch it. I think it's
Speaker 2: on Stars and I'm not sure what else. And it's
Speaker 2: very violent and very super sexually charged and stuff. So
Speaker 2: it's not something for young kids. It's kind of horrific
Speaker 2: and gross. And some of the things that happened.
Speaker 1: Like Lost of the Pantheons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a lot of the stories that you read
Speaker 2: about in some of the ancient pantheon or some of
Speaker 2: the ancient gods and what they do. So one thing
Speaker 2: that's really kind of cool about this TV show is
Speaker 2: that there are like all these like guest stars that
Speaker 2: are in this that play like a deity. And so
Speaker 2: like there's Jillian Anderson who's one of them, and I
Speaker 2: think she plays like, I don't know, she's like this
Speaker 2: media god and there, well, there's a whole bunch. But
Speaker 2: what's really weird is that you see these characters that
Speaker 2: you've seen in other TV shows or series or movies,
Speaker 2: and they're playing these gods that you know, that are
Speaker 2: trying to stay relevant to today's culture, which you know,
Speaker 2: if you think about it, in today's culture, it is
Speaker 2: really hard to be deistic. Let's just say that deistic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hard to have a belief in god or a
Speaker 2: god or any kind of deity.
Speaker 1: Everything in our culture is about yourself or science.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, science is almost the biggest god in this
Speaker 2: world right now. The idea of science and you know,
Speaker 2: when Darwin came in and there was a reason now
Speaker 2: that you didn't need a god for creation, right we
Speaker 2: had evolution and then science came in, and you know,
Speaker 2: the age of the universe got really really old. You
Speaker 2: didn't have to have an explanation of how the universe
Speaker 2: was created anymore, which I mean from like a basic
Speaker 2: standpoint up until you know, science times, where else would
Speaker 2: it come from? Something had to make it right, because
Speaker 2: nothing in your life is there without something making it. So,
Speaker 2: you know, a tree was made by a seed, the
Speaker 2: chicken was made by an egg. You were made by
Speaker 2: your mom. I made this bow out of a stick.
Speaker 1: You know, everything's been made from something from something else.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of your logical leap. But then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden somebody comes in and says, actually science
Speaker 1: proves that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need any of that stuff anymore. And
Speaker 2: you think, from when did Darwin do his thing a silence?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But since then and now it's you know, totally through
Speaker 2: all of the educational system. And I would say that the.
Speaker 1: Biggest god is so social media.
Speaker 2: Oh you know that's probably not far off either. Of
Speaker 2: social media, we're creating our own god. I mean that
Speaker 2: has its own voice and its own intelligence. Yeah, which
Speaker 2: I mean I don't want to get into my you know,
Speaker 2: my big empirical kind of overview of this whole idea
Speaker 2: of the super brain of like artificial intelligence and the supercomputer,
Speaker 2: and beyond that to the computing and data system of
Speaker 2: the universe. Who we're not going there yet. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's able to a special podcast down the.
Speaker 1: Road, super special.
Speaker 2: But I mean if you think about it now, the
Speaker 2: AI that is controlling social media, it is feeding you
Speaker 2: what you want to see and know, and it's manipulating
Speaker 2: the data that you get, and it can be controlled
Speaker 2: by people, but soon it will be totally controlled by itself. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm a little off here because you know, this is
Speaker 2: kind of a different topic, but it is kind of
Speaker 2: its own deity. It is its own deity system. If
Speaker 2: you look at the definition of God, it is a
Speaker 2: super human person thing that controls the lives and thoughts
Speaker 2: and minds and existence of other individuals or people or things. Right,
Speaker 2: So I mean, is that kind of what we're talking.
Speaker 1: About a little bit, So we got science, it's not
Speaker 1: what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It is. It does relate to social media.
Speaker 2: It is, and it isn't. So I mean, you could
Speaker 2: personify social media AI as a deity, and you could
Speaker 2: deify you could deify science, because if you look at
Speaker 2: the faith that people have in science and what it
Speaker 2: says and what it does, not that I'm saying like,
Speaker 2: if you wear masks, you're dumb. I wear masks everywhere,
Speaker 2: but science said you need to wear a mask everywhere.
Speaker 2: You need to say science? Or did the social media
Speaker 2: say that because it helps control.
Speaker 1: So they say where masks stay away from people? And
Speaker 1: that changed your life?
Speaker 2: It really did, Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: So science already has influenced people's lives, and social media
Speaker 1: maybe amplified that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we could say that those are two more
Speaker 2: modern developments of gods. I mean there have been types
Speaker 2: of that in the past, but I think that is
Speaker 2: a true deification of modern technology or thought. Right. People
Speaker 2: put their faith in science to give them the explanation
Speaker 2: for so many things. Look at like who do you
Speaker 2: turn to if you're not somebody who believes in some
Speaker 2: kind of god or deity, who do you put your
Speaker 2: faith into heal you of a disease?
Speaker 1: Science?
Speaker 2: I mean, what's the difference?
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of funny, maybe maybe a little irrelevant,
Speaker 1: but when people, let's say they're having a really bad day,
Speaker 1: starts raining on them while they're walking to their car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't say poop, they say oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So and then you know, they find out they had cancer.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It's been a thing, probably since the
Speaker 1: beginning of time to give credit to something your good
Speaker 1: or bad experiences in life.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is from the beginning of time,
Speaker 2: or at least from the beginning of people, they want
Speaker 2: help from things and four things that they do not understand,
Speaker 2: they cannot control.
Speaker 1: Or they want to. Yeah, exactly. So they got a
Speaker 1: rain dance for their we need rain. We need rain
Speaker 1: for the crops, so we're going to do this this
Speaker 1: ceremony in hope that it'll rain. And one year it worked,
Speaker 1: and then they were like, oh my god, that worked.
Speaker 1: And then from now on, I really.
Speaker 2: Want to have a baby, so I mean, I need
Speaker 2: somebody to help me get pregnant.
Speaker 1: And it worked, and it works. So they're assigning these
Speaker 1: things and saying, oh my god. Just an example. But
Speaker 1: it kind of almost is ironic that those words line
Speaker 1: up the way they do, because people assign events in
Speaker 1: their lives to something, you know, whether it's oh it
Speaker 1: was it was destiny, or oh it was fate. Oh
Speaker 1: it was the god of love. Oh it was the
Speaker 1: god of fertility.
Speaker 2: Those are things that are totally out of their control.
Speaker 2: All they can do is have sex to get pregnant,
Speaker 2: or watch the clouds and see if the rain clouds
Speaker 2: are coming. They can't a good plan. They can't move
Speaker 2: the clouds. No, you know what, they can't make the
Speaker 2: sperm cell meet the egg cell.
Speaker 1: You're just assigning something to take care of these things
Speaker 1: that you have no control of.
Speaker 2: Okay. So that's one way to think about this.
Speaker 1: I think that's where a lot of this stuff stems from.
Speaker 2: So it's like a slow well it doesn't even have
Speaker 2: to be slow, it could be fairly rapid. I mean
Speaker 2: maybe generation or two, and then these things are ingrained
Speaker 2: in a group of people or culture. There's another way,
Speaker 2: and we've talked about this in some of our other podcasts,
Speaker 2: and that's the idea that maybe there is this infusion
Speaker 2: of these godlike beings that have technology or whatever that
Speaker 2: are multidimensional or they come in from a different space
Speaker 2: time continuum, and then we deify them and they become
Speaker 2: the myths and legends of gods.
Speaker 1: That we now know, right, or they take credit for
Speaker 1: things that are natural and allow people to project onto
Speaker 1: them these supernatural abilities.
Speaker 2: Well, and if you think about technology, like so, if
Speaker 2: you had somebody that say there was a multidimensional being,
Speaker 2: we'll just call them multidimensional beings because I don't want
Speaker 2: to call them deities yet pre deity. Multidimensional beings that
Speaker 2: have technology, you could call them extraterrestrials.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But they step into our dimension and they have supertech.
Speaker 1: Right, super tech.
Speaker 2: Maybe they can cause it to rain because they have
Speaker 2: the science behind it. Maybe they can help fertility because
Speaker 2: they have the science behind it to understand how it works.
Speaker 2: Maybe they can do things that to that people at
Speaker 2: that time or that culture seems like something that is
Speaker 2: god like because it's something they can't control.
Speaker 1: It brings, you know, like people will say like magic
Speaker 1: is just science that's not understood, not understood, and it
Speaker 1: could be something like that. So let's say you're the
Speaker 1: god of fertilities, just a gynecologist or obgyn or whatever.
Speaker 2: So and now goes back to back in time, he
Speaker 2: would be a god.
Speaker 1: He would be totally either killed because he's a witch,
Speaker 1: or he would be worshiped because he'd say something like
Speaker 1: so when was your last period?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then she'd be like, oh, you know, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and he'd be like, okay, so maybe around Wednesday through Friday,
Speaker 1: let's you know, try for a baby and then come
Speaker 1: back to me and we'll go through some diet and
Speaker 1: then she ends up pregnant and he's like and then
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, he knows he's a magician.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that. Whoa, he's a god.
Speaker 1: From then on, I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to worship that guy because or that lady, because yeah,
Speaker 2: they got it going on. It's really fun to talk
Speaker 2: about and think about the origin of the idea of
Speaker 2: these gods and pantheons. Some of them are thousands and
Speaker 2: thousands of years old, but they all share these same
Speaker 2: kind of characters and roles. And what's really interesting is
Speaker 2: that they all are gods over certain areas that mankind
Speaker 2: or humans cannot control, right, And so we're talking about
Speaker 2: our you know, our thoughts about how this could have started,
Speaker 2: but we weren't there. We don't know, and so I'm
Speaker 2: guessing that in all of these stories and myths, all
Speaker 2: of these stories and myths, there are seeds of truth that,
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, you know, like, hey, what's that experiment
Speaker 2: where you tell a story and you tell somebody else
Speaker 2: and they tell somebody else. Yeah, yeah, and then it
Speaker 2: totally changes. But there's always a seed of the same
Speaker 2: truth that kind of started. There's that beginning nugget. And
Speaker 2: I think as we go through these pantheons, these strange gods,
Speaker 2: these stories that we're going to be talking about, we're
Speaker 2: going to discover some of those same seeds, these basic truths,
Speaker 2: and we'll be able to span those across the different
Speaker 2: pantheons and the different divine councils.
Speaker 1: And the different Yeah that I say, godlyare.
Speaker 2: The godly Suarez, and I think we're going to be
Speaker 2: able to kind of refine those down to a few
Speaker 2: common deities or personality to their common denominator. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: that's going to be really interesting. I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: I think that's going to be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I think it will be fun too, and it makes
Speaker 1: me wonder a little bit if it's human nature. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of that side. I feel like in this situation
Speaker 1: where I brought up the idea of well, that guy
Speaker 1: ended up getting pregnant or that guy.
Speaker 2: Ended up being Yeah, that would be strange. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: could be happening soon because of science.
Speaker 1: So maybe it's kind of something like that where everybody's
Speaker 1: got these questions. Everybody wonders where's the rain come from?
Speaker 1: And before science we just said, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: there's a guy out there cries or peas every once
Speaker 1: in a while, and then they're like, oh yeah, maybe,
Speaker 1: well maybe if we do this dance and then the
Speaker 1: next day it rains, and maybe there's another contributing factor,
Speaker 1: like maybe there's some like physical element to it, and
Speaker 1: then that causes people to assign gods to or or
Speaker 1: some kind of person or deity to these natural events.
Speaker 1: And then there's your side or another side where maybe
Speaker 1: there was actually a person or a deity or some
Speaker 1: kind of supernatural person thing that was a little bit
Speaker 1: in charge and had a little bit of leverage over
Speaker 1: the rain and fertility.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we basically talked of two different ways or
Speaker 2: ideas that could have sparked the origination of these ideas
Speaker 2: or these legends and mythologies of gods. Right right. We
Speaker 2: talked about the okay, some kind of outside influence that
Speaker 2: had super information and technology, and the other is that, no,
Speaker 2: this is a primitive way that a primitive mind would
Speaker 2: have maybe understood random accidents and developed through superstition, Yeah,
Speaker 2: trial and error, and trial and error developed the idea
Speaker 2: of this god or being that's in control of these
Speaker 2: things that they couldn't control. But then, you know, at
Speaker 2: the same time, it's like one thought that kind of
Speaker 2: comes into my mind when I think about that, is
Speaker 2: that maybe we have the wrong idea of these primitive
Speaker 2: so called primitive people. I mean, we look back and
Speaker 2: we're like, oh, yeah, these were all primitive people. They're
Speaker 2: like Neanderthals just coming into their humanness, you know, and
Speaker 2: so they're just kind of so primitive they couldn't understand
Speaker 2: the real idea of science in the universe. And we're
Speaker 2: so advanced now in our understanding, and so we're looking
Speaker 2: back and say, no, they were too dumb to know
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So it must have been this
Speaker 2: primitive you know, kind of act of like trying to
Speaker 2: understand things that they couldn't understand, you know, naturally. So
Speaker 2: I kind of get that. But what if those people
Speaker 2: weren't that stupid. What if those people had really good information,
Speaker 2: Maybe they have some good science. A lot of people
Speaker 2: speculate that maybe those people you know, because what we're saying,
Speaker 2: these people are four billion years old or whatever they are,
Speaker 2: and we're thinking, you know, yeah, they didn't have any
Speaker 2: real understanding. They were still developing, evolving. What if they
Speaker 2: were just as smart as we are, right, and you know,
Speaker 2: maybe they were sending to the Dark Ages because you know,
Speaker 2: some catastrophe, you know, the Geneo Christian myth of the
Speaker 2: Great Flood, right, Or what about if a real asteroid caused,
Speaker 2: you know, an extinction event that we know is scientific
Speaker 2: and sent everybody to the Dark Ages. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe it wasn't that they were stupid. Maybe they had
Speaker 2: this science and then the people that were the survivors
Speaker 2: of this catastrophic kind of event brought those legends and
Speaker 2: myths of those people and science forward and they became
Speaker 2: the backbone of the ideas of gods and goddesses.
Speaker 1: Right. So let's say there's one, two, three people that understand,
Speaker 1: you know, barometric pressure. Maybe they have an injury and
Speaker 1: they can feel, you know, like you can feel it
Speaker 1: in your bones when the weather's changing and there's going
Speaker 1: to be a storm, so he can kind of get
Speaker 1: an idea of why that's happening, or for some reason,
Speaker 1: he understands a little more than the rest. And it's
Speaker 1: like my son, you know, he'll sneak out of his
Speaker 1: room to go play video games, but that night he
Speaker 1: doesn't know that I'm down there already. So when I
Speaker 1: hear his door open, I'll just, you know, holler up
Speaker 1: the stairs Backham, what are you doing? And he's like,
Speaker 1: how do you know? I came out of my room
Speaker 1: and I said, I'm dad.
Speaker 2: That's how I see everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he I think my son, truly, to some extent,
Speaker 1: believes that I have some way supernatural, you know, like
Speaker 1: people say, mom's got eyes in the back of their heads,
Speaker 1: some way of knowing when he's doing something bad. And
Speaker 1: usually it's I know his facial expressions and his mannerisms,
Speaker 1: but I do a little bit tell him I'm a dad,
Speaker 1: That's how I know. I just know I'm some I
Speaker 1: have supernatural strengths. So maybe it kind of came from that.
Speaker 1: This guy knew when it was going to rain, and
Speaker 1: maybe he was into watching girls dance around a fire
Speaker 1: and he was like, you know what it's going to
Speaker 1: rain if you do is dance for me. And then
Speaker 1: and then from that point on he was Yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Was using his h his information and disguising it in
Speaker 2: a way to get what he really wanted.
Speaker 1: Or he wanted to have a party and just people
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: That in no way, I mean the news, nobody does
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. The way you think about our
Speaker 2: idea of gods and goddesses and you know, the way
Speaker 2: that we understand things now with science, and there's like
Speaker 2: this uncomfortable kind of tug of war between faith. You
Speaker 2: put your faith in something unseen unheard for the most part,
Speaker 2: or do you put your faith in something that you
Speaker 2: can measure and and kind of explain. And science gives
Speaker 2: you this way to basically take the idea of God
Speaker 2: or God's out of the out of the equation and
Speaker 2: you can just trust your own intellect and design so
Speaker 2: that you don't have to worry about all these things.
Speaker 2: But then yet we don't have any control over the
Speaker 2: big things in life, like how long are we going
Speaker 2: to live?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: What do I do when I'm diagnosed with cancer? How
Speaker 2: do I get rain from my crops? That if I
Speaker 2: don't get in the field this year, I'm going to
Speaker 2: lose the farm.
Speaker 1: Well starve, yeah, maybe not even starmin but I'm going
Speaker 1: to lose the farm that's been in my family for
Speaker 1: three generations.
Speaker 2: You know, you name whatever it is, and then you
Speaker 2: need to call out something bigger, beyond what you can
Speaker 2: explain or control.
Speaker 1: It almost comes down to like a desperate reach for hope.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would say that it's true. And you know
Speaker 2: what's really weird you look at a lot of the
Speaker 2: pantheons that we're going to go over in the next
Speaker 2: couple episodes, is that some of them don't really give
Speaker 2: a lot of hope. I mean, there's a little bit,
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of ugliness in these ideas of God.
Speaker 2: And you know, some are very even like, some are
Speaker 2: very unjust, and so I think maybe that's why ancient
Speaker 2: people created or believed in these different kinds of gods.
Speaker 2: Some are very malicious, some do awful things, some are good,
Speaker 2: some are protective, Some are gods of the underworld where
Speaker 2: you go after you die, some of them, you know,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, there's like this creation of all these
Speaker 2: different kinds of deities so that we can try to
Speaker 2: explain these things that we're afraid of. I think that
Speaker 2: this kind of conversation that we're going to be talking
Speaker 2: about might be a little uncomfortable sometimes because we're going
Speaker 2: to be poking and maybe areas that some people fear
Speaker 2: to poke. Poke that, But I think it's really fascinating.
Speaker 2: It is really strange, and like we said, strange in
Speaker 2: the definition that it's something that we don't know and
Speaker 2: it's beyond our experience and it's uncomfortable strange in a
Speaker 2: way that's like, oh, that's crazy, although a lot of it,
Speaker 2: a lot of it will be crazy, and we'll let
Speaker 2: our listeners decide what is and what isn't. We're just
Speaker 2: going to throw things out there and kind of and
Speaker 2: talk about some of the different belief systems in these
Speaker 2: different pantheons and different deities and things. But it should
Speaker 2: be really a fun ride.
Speaker 1: I think so too, And it's fun to kind of
Speaker 1: imagine and work up backstories to some of this stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then there's other ones where it's like, why would
Speaker 1: you put a fish on a rock and leave it
Speaker 1: in the desert and make that the sign for fertility
Speaker 1: or some silly ritual. I don't know, I just came
Speaker 1: up with some random and I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: the most most ridiculous thing I could think of, but
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, there's no reason that that would
Speaker 1: be the story, right, that that would be the backup.
Speaker 1: So maybe that came from a true deity that wanted
Speaker 1: a fish in the desert.
Speaker 2: So let's think about camp. So what would be a
Speaker 2: true deity? I know we kind of talked about, you know,
Speaker 2: the idea that maybe these transdimensional beings or call them
Speaker 2: extra terrestrials or somebody outside of our space time continuum
Speaker 2: comes in with extra super fantastic knowledge and suddenly shows
Speaker 2: up and says, oh, hey, you know, let me help
Speaker 2: you with that. I'll heal you of that disease. Imagine
Speaker 2: if like Kirk, Captain Kirk landed on a primitive planet
Speaker 2: with his little magic medical little scanner thingy and they
Speaker 2: scan people and healed them up, and like Captain Kirk's
Speaker 2: a god. In fact, I think there's an episode.
Speaker 1: Where Captain like an episode starts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean that would do it, right. So, Okay,
Speaker 2: a lot of people do not have a problem believing
Speaker 2: in ets or extraterrestrials or aliens coming to this planet, right,
Speaker 2: because it's a big universe, and there's lots of times
Speaker 2: supposedly built into the universe So what if these guys
Speaker 2: came and they did things that look miraculous and maybe
Speaker 2: they are the source of the pantheon, or.
Speaker 1: What if it's even something like we've talked about ghosts
Speaker 1: and spirits that live on and maybe they have the
Speaker 1: ability to go forward and backward in time and they
Speaker 1: come back and they find their ancestors and their or
Speaker 1: their you know, their great great great great great grandson
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, you know, in a dream or whatever,
Speaker 1: hat man comes to him and he's like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you should tell him that's going to rain
Speaker 1: on Wednesday if they do a dance and then and
Speaker 1: then it rains and he's like.
Speaker 2: God, or okay, let's throw that out there. What about
Speaker 2: if there are time travelers. I mean, we've seen a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff like that, and uh, even if you
Speaker 2: follow some of the social media posts like is this
Speaker 2: a time traveler? Yeah, photoshop and back to the future.
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy knew, you know that he had
Speaker 2: that sports almanac and he was able to tell who
Speaker 2: was gonna win and lose. So if something like that happened,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, there's some science behind that, right.
Speaker 2: The possibility of moving in and through time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wouldn't it be cool if you could go back
Speaker 1: in time?
Speaker 2: What would you do?
Speaker 1: I would invest in Sharman and three M paper masks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go back two years ago? Yeah, no kidding,
Speaker 2: I'd get a big stockpile. I'd be like one of
Speaker 2: the CEOs at Sherman, and I would have started stockpiling
Speaker 2: for like seven years, like all the Shearman I could get,
Speaker 2: and then I dump it on the market and like
Speaker 2: clean out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm that's how I know their clique.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be awesome. It is really fun to think about.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we're going to come up with
Speaker 2: any solid answers, but I just want to throw out
Speaker 2: one more big disclaimer. Okay, me, personally, I am a theist. Right,
Speaker 2: I do believe in a createur right. I believe I
Speaker 2: believe in a deity that would be classified as a
Speaker 2: monotheistic worldview. Right, And it might not be the typical
Speaker 2: one that a lot of people that would use the
Speaker 2: same classifications as me would agree, but I have a
Speaker 2: very strong opinion that way, and I'm going to say
Speaker 2: some things that maybe are uncomfortable for me to hear
Speaker 2: about my belief or faith in this monotheistic deity. So
Speaker 2: I'm going to do the same thing with my belief
Speaker 2: as I do with all of the others. I am
Speaker 2: not trying to be totally one sided. This is not
Speaker 2: an attempt to convert anybody to my worldview. That is
Speaker 2: not my job. I think what we're doing here is
Speaker 2: really cool because it opens up the conversation for people
Speaker 2: to discuss their belief systems in a way that's reasonable, respectful.
Speaker 1: And so what you're saying is everybody's going to get
Speaker 1: made fun of the same amount.
Speaker 2: That's basically what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, Christian Pagan whatever, it is, your equal opportunity discriminator,
Speaker 1: sarcasmst is sarcasmist.
Speaker 2: I like that. That sounds very flexible.
Speaker 1: I'm a sarcasms yeah, So I just.
Speaker 2: Want to make sure we point that out. We'll probably
Speaker 2: do this every episode because I don't want people to think, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I'm this and they're making fun of me. Now, we're
Speaker 2: going to make fun of everything a little bit. Whatever
Speaker 2: you pull out of it, that's fine, right. There's no
Speaker 2: ulterior motive with this other than the fascination of exploring
Speaker 2: these ideas and concepts of where this came from. And
Speaker 2: it's partly for me because I want to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun to do this kind of like I mean,
Speaker 1: most of our our stuff is it's a little bit
Speaker 1: free form, yeah, and like kind of cursory. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, like you always say, like high level, yeah,
Speaker 1: or we're just tax We just kind of do some
Speaker 1: some research on different topics, a lot of Wikipedia, a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, History Channel covered this thing or whatever,
Speaker 1: and we like to you know, gleam a little knowledge,
Speaker 1: maybe even listen to other podcasts talk about similar topics,
Speaker 1: kind of just put our own thoughts and spins on it.
Speaker 1: That's why it's a strange thing. Podcasts not you know,
Speaker 1: the Accurate and Probable History of Science and Gods in
Speaker 1: our Society or the.
Speaker 2: Super Intellectual Mike and Austin Show on All Things Relevant
Speaker 2: to the World.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine how boring that would be?
Speaker 2: Would be so boring?
Speaker 1: Isn't it much more fun to hear me talk about
Speaker 1: the god of fertility being a guyacologist?
Speaker 2: Totally? Yeah? And don't you want to just be able
Speaker 2: to like go out and just think about things and
Speaker 2: maybe they're wrong? You know, it's fun, the freedom to
Speaker 2: just go out and explore, and maybe we don't have
Speaker 2: the right answers. Maybe we do get lucky once in.
Speaker 1: A blue man and then we'll become a god.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about that. My body's not becoming
Speaker 2: anything good, like, it's just going.
Speaker 1: The opposite on the cupid side, not the thor.
Speaker 2: If you want to have a prime example of the
Speaker 2: second law of thermodynamics, all you have to do is
Speaker 2: look at me in the mirror when I'm out of
Speaker 2: the shower in the morning. You know what the second
Speaker 2: thermo dynamics is basically, you know, and commonly go everything
Speaker 2: winds down, everything goes from from order to chaos. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm well into my long journey on the window. Although
Speaker 2: you know from my age, I'm okay.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. That.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we should get out of this conversation. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think this is a great introduction. We're going to
Speaker 2: dive into some of these things. I think we're going
Speaker 2: to go into the top ten pantheons that are also
Speaker 2: kind of a hybrid with a divine council kind of structure.
Speaker 1: Is a big number. Get going to dive into ten
Speaker 1: Now we won't go deep diving into ten, but a
Speaker 1: lot of these are going to relate to each other,
Speaker 1: so we could, you know, highlight ten. I think there's
Speaker 1: in my mind there's a big three. You got your Egyptian,
Speaker 1: you got your your like Greek, and you got your Norse. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of spans across the globe. So here
Speaker 2: are the ten that I'm thinking of. I'm thinking Samerian.
Speaker 2: I mean that's like the whole epic of Gelgamesh and
Speaker 2: kind of things. There's like a lot of history there.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of creation myths in most of these.
Speaker 2: So there's Samerian. I would say, Akkadian, Old Babylonian. Babylon
Speaker 2: has a big, long history on this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Ancient Egyptian what was the one you kept talking about
Speaker 2: last episode with the god of death, Duke, Now, nebulous, No,
Speaker 2: it Wasniberius Neberia. What was that?
Speaker 1: Nefarious?
Speaker 2: Notus?
Speaker 1: It is the god of yeah, the god of ill
Speaker 1: intent and nefarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you've got ancient Egyptian and.
Speaker 1: Besides the god of death, yeah, he's like a dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got you got the Canaanite stuff. Now
Speaker 2: that's where maur Duke would come into the picture Canaanite stuff.
Speaker 2: And then you've got Israel and the Israelite idea they
Speaker 2: have a pantheon. Now that one's kind of debatable. Just
Speaker 2: as a kind of preview, you have the idea of
Speaker 2: the monotheistic god structure of the Israelites, which it is.
Speaker 2: But what's really weird about that is they use the
Speaker 2: same word for basically what sounds like a council of gods.
Speaker 2: So they use the word elohem, and Elohem for God,
Speaker 2: the creator of everything. And then they have these other
Speaker 2: kind of like I guess you'd call small e aloheims
Speaker 2: that are like I think they're they're created beings. No,
Speaker 2: those are those are the offspring of the aloghem and
Speaker 2: human women, those are the nephlo But the alohem would
Speaker 2: be this council of gods, which are you know, basically
Speaker 2: we would call that in Christian vernacular angels, and that
Speaker 2: one third of the angels or these gods of an
Speaker 2: innumerable number. It says that you can't count all the
Speaker 2: number of these elohem. That one third of them were
Speaker 2: cast out of heaven or cast it down when they
Speaker 2: revolted against the Creator. So that's kind of an interesting one.
Speaker 2: So even though it's monotheistic, there is this kind of polytheistic,
Speaker 2: kind of subculture of created eloheim created gods. I guess
Speaker 2: they're immortal, but their essence is spirit, but their physical
Speaker 2: forms can and have been destroyed. We'll get into that one.
Speaker 1: But if you do a percentage, all that's left is
Speaker 1: six hundred.
Speaker 2: Say you see that sixty six point?
Speaker 1: How terrifying.
Speaker 2: I wonder if you just stumbled on something about the
Speaker 2: I think I'm the first person. Let that person that
Speaker 2: is wise calculate the number of the beast. I have
Speaker 2: a wise man of your wives. Anyway, moving on, so
Speaker 2: you have the Israelites, you have the Celtic ideas, yes
Speaker 2: he did. You have the ancient Greeks and Romans, which
Speaker 2: you could lump them together as the Greco Roman, although
Speaker 2: they're different. We talked about Cupid. In the Roman idea,
Speaker 2: he is Cupid, but in the Greek idea he is Eos.
Speaker 2: But they're the same person, and that his mother, and
Speaker 2: the one is Aphrodite, and the other one she's no,
Speaker 2: not Methuselah.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You can't keep track of all these all.
Speaker 2: These goddesses, and gods there. They're just millions of them.
Speaker 2: So we got the Greco Roman pantheon, and you also
Speaker 2: have the Nordic, which I think it's gonna be really.
Speaker 1: Fun, the Celtic thing a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and what's really cool is a lot of these
Speaker 2: have kind of been personified in like comic books and
Speaker 2: and modern yes, yes, with Odin and Thor and I
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a hoot. We're gonna check out stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody will believe in anything after
Speaker 2: we get done with all of this, but I hope
Speaker 2: you enjoy the ride. And uh, you know, while you're
Speaker 2: waiting for the next episode, if you want, just google
Speaker 2: the stuff, find your favorite pantheon, google it and kind
Speaker 2: of read some of the lore that is in each
Speaker 2: one of these ones. It's just, I mean, part of
Speaker 2: me goes, what in the heck what kind of moose
Speaker 2: juice are these people on moose juice? Huh? Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I mean it can't be like real juice, because whatever
Speaker 2: it is, it's psychedelic. I mean, you know, people do
Speaker 2: the craziest things when on this moose juice. They like
Speaker 2: have sex with their moms.
Speaker 1: I don't know what moose juice is. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: You don't have to just imagine the craziest thing you
Speaker 2: can think of. These gods, these Pantheon gods do it
Speaker 2: or have done it, and they usually do each other
Speaker 2: they do. I mean, it's a crazy deal. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it is really weird. I hope you guys have a
Speaker 2: great time with this, Austin. I think we can close
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