WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:04.120 The artist formerly known as Prince Andrew got Randy label lost, 2 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:06.799 the dodgy man called Bandy Wigan and Hu k art 3 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:10.199 in Fine and Andy and Perth wants someone that could 4 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:14.039 be Handy. Mandleson left in disgrace for reasons we know. 5 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:18.000 But why did Oldham's Mike Ford up and go? London 6 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:20.920 beat Oldham? But that wasn't the news. Lee and John 7 00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:24.519 are here to give you their views. Welcome to the 8 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:28.320 eighth episode of super League three sixty. Here podcast primarily 9 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:32.039 about the top tier of British rugby league, but increasingly, John, 10 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:34.920 we seem to be going down into the championship lately. 11 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:39.039 I'm just going to say that's the best intro podcasting 12 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:39.759 I've ever heard. 13 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:42.920 Thank you, Thank you. I'd like to thank all my family. 14 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:49.079 Now we do dip into the championship. I mean the 15 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:51.759 Championship is two rounds in and Super League kicks off 16 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:56.600 in nine days as we record this, so we will 17 00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:00.640 we will switch focus. But yeah, I mean I think 18 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:02.960 they chamionshit. There's some great stories and there well there 19 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:06.319 has been and it's very different, as you know to 20 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:09.040 the NRL where you know and you so well queens 21 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:12.760 and doesn't really get talked about in connection with the NRL, 22 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:15.959 but it is different in because of promotion and relegation historically, 23 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:17.040 it is different in England. 24 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:21.120 Didn't even introduce ourselves. My name is Lee and. 25 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:25.120 My name is John Davidson. I think if people have 26 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:27.959 been listening this for eight episodes they might work that out. 27 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:31.959 But yeah, we added some poet laureate. I'm a coach 28 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:35.760 in Australia who's obviously not got an Australian accent. I've 29 00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:37.640 been here a while. John's a journal in the UK 30 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:41.439 and you work out he doesn't have an English Well, 31 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.040 I would argue sometimes you don't have an Australian accent. 32 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:49.799 If Susan in the world considered considering your based in Yorkshire, 33 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:52.239 you have some mank in your accent somehow. But I 34 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.159 don't know how that works, but I do. I do 35 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:57.159 recommend that if you want to know a little bit 36 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:59.599 more about us, please read the description or listen to 37 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.599 some old pods, because, like John hinted at, we've been 38 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:04.760 doing stuff for a while. We did the Ashes Rugby 39 00:02:04.799 --> 00:02:09.520 League podcast in twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five, sorry jeez, 40 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:13.520 and now we've switched to a Super League three sixty 41 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:17.240 and everybody who followed us on ASHES Rugby League. You'll 42 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:19.400 probably still listening to this on ASHES Rugby League, but 43 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.360 please switch over to Super League three sixty so that 44 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:24.280 I have to do less work in the next week 45 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:28.000 or two. But you can always listen to it on 46 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:31.560 the Rugby League Coach platforms and on the Rugby League 47 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:34.599 Coach YouTube channel two, so if you subscribe to those, 48 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:37.240 you won't miss a thing. John, your tweets of the week, 49 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:41.639 you've been a little quiet. Imagine we're recording in a 50 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:44.960 shorter window, aren't we. We've not had seven days in between. 51 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:47.400 The tweeter I want to bring up from you was 52 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:50.240 a tweet that you were talking about the London crowd. 53 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:54.280 You said, not seeing a figure look smaller than the 54 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:59.199 Witness game, maybe three thousand, with a question mark which 55 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:01.520 suggests you're app was there three thousand? 56 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:05.120 Yeah. I'd actually asked someone who was at the game 57 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:08.759 who didn't know another journalist, and I had no idea 58 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:11.800 what the crowd was. I knew it was smaller than 59 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:15.479 the well just using my eyes as as a measure, 60 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:18.919 smaller than a Witness game, which I also watched on YouTube. 61 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:23.159 And my guess was somewhere between two thousand and you know, 62 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:25.960 three thousand. Yeah, I had no idea. 63 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:29.479 And Caer and Bradford Bulls on X accused you of 64 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:34.639 exaggerating attendance figures for a club. I'm pretty sure you 65 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:35.599 were asking a question. 66 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:38.599 Yeah, I mean, I don't know if comprehension in the 67 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.680 UK is what it was previously or education. But you 68 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.520 know it wasn't a statement of fact, it was a legit. 69 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:47.560 I don't know, it was a question. I don't know 70 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:49.439 how anyone could misunderstand that. 71 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:52.599 Or I did a video on my Rugby League Coach 72 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:56.039 platforms from my Rugby League Coach podcast, and I was 73 00:03:56.039 --> 00:04:01.479 talking about how wrestling can often so can often be 74 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:04.759 a symptom of a poor tackle in terms of technique. 75 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:07.919 So I was encouraging coaches not to be obsessed with 76 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:12.800 the wrestle over over contact. So in other words, make 77 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:15.120 sure you put the contact in before you do the wrestle. 78 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:17.560 And some of the comments I've had people telling me 79 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:21.399 how important the rookie is. You know rooks, and we 80 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:25.279 all know the root wins the game, blah blah blah, 81 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:28.879 and they're just completely missing my point because they've decided 82 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:34.279 not to listen to the words is often well yeah, 83 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:39.879 and that well we're we're wordsmith's a little bit, aren't we? 84 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.920 Like we we do listen to what each other says 85 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:46.480 and and read what people say and then respond to that. 86 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:50.560 Where some people just gat the Rugby League tweet of 87 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:54.560 the week, I think undoubtedly and some Australians won't know this, 88 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:59.240 but Mike Ford's resignation I told him and it was tweeted, 89 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:02.439 and his son George piled in and we'll go into this. 90 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:06.079 We'll go into this in a moment, Mike said. Mike 91 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:08.519 Ford said the direction of travel of the club is 92 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:10.360 not something that I feel I can be part of. 93 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:14.160 And his son George expressed his pride in his daddy 94 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:17.199 and said, it's a travesty has had to come down 95 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:19.560 to this. Sport is a funny way of exposing the 96 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:22.839 truth as to why things happen. The team and people 97 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:26.319 are always more important than an individual. So we'll unpack 98 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:29.480 that a bit soon, John. But this was this was 99 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:32.160 this was something to wake up to one day. This 100 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:34.399 was this was good on one day, like, oh, what's 101 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:37.439 going on here? I think you were out with family 102 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:40.040 on Sunday and and got the news I watched. 103 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:45.600 I watched the first half of the Oldham Landing game. 104 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:48.399 In the second half I was in a pool with 105 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:52.399 my kids taking the swimming. But yeah, the fact that 106 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.639 that that came out or that tweet came out literally 107 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:56.720 I think just after full time and that the photo 108 00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:59.240 that used was was was I've got that. 109 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:02.120 I've got that in he's laughed, so don't talk to him. Yeah, 110 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:06.519 it was just it was pretty shocking. Apparently the club 111 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:07.920 knew that it was going to happen, but it was 112 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:10.079 a fairly shocking. Way I went out to nakes it. 113 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:13.560 I would say, get a job, ready to because you 114 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:15.600 didn't send me a job. You didn't you didn't jab me. 115 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:20.240 This week Socials pop at Lee of the Week A 116 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.480 post I did about the Aussie's the Australian squad not 117 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:26.959 being the best even though they won three nil. A 118 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:29.040 video did where I said there was too many cooks 119 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:31.399 in the team so tactically when I analyzed the game, 120 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:34.000 it seemed obvious to me too many people were trying 121 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:36.360 to play in pivotal roles and not leaving it to 122 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:40.839 the halves basically. And I must have done that post 123 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:44.079 three months ago three and a half months ago. It's 124 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:52.600 still going John. Yesterday, Norman Buffalo said to me, quote 125 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:56.680 you're cooked because I said there was too many cooks 126 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:59.759 in the kitchen. And he replied to me, Norm said 127 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:06.160 you're cooked. I replied, you're slow because the post months 128 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:10.040 Ruben von Lichtenstein a week ago. I missed it. It 129 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:12.040 should have been in last week's podcast. 130 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:17.120 Is that is that? Count Reuben? 131 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:21.680 It sounds like it sounds like a European Parliament senator. 132 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:25.040 It sounds like a Transylvanian prince or something. 133 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:31.680 The Transylvanian prince said, quote, who the f is this? 134 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:37.800 T w A T hey hole, d head? You sees 135 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:44.560 got belted three nil. So the f is rounds with book, 136 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:47.560 the t W A t you can spell like yourself, 137 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:54.319 d head Richard head, and you sees is rounds with hunt. 138 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.639 I dosed that message. It sounds. 139 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:03.160 I replied, thanks beautiful. And then and then sometimes when 140 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:05.439 somebody really abuses me, I have a look at the profiles. 141 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.519 If it's a hidden profile. And he actually lives in Brisbane, 142 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:10.360 so I invited him out for a beer to discuss 143 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:14.040 his thoughts about me and the Bradford thing is still 144 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:16.879 going about jab Peacock. But the thing that I went, 145 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:19.720 all the partner went, did he play for Bradford? 146 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.399 Oh? Yeah right, it shouldn't have forgotten. It shouldn't have forgotten. 147 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.600 And it's that old. I had a Christmas hat on 148 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:31.279 on the video, so and I promise you I don't 149 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:34.720 wear them in January and some fella on YouTube had 150 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:37.039 a go at me and said I had something against 151 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:42.080 London because my analysis showed their faults. I had to 152 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:45.440 explain that I'm a coach and it's called analysis. 153 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:51.759 It's a tough one. I understand that. I mean an 154 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:54.679 else's video that looked at strengths and weaknesses is. 155 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:59.679 Apparently have got something against London. I just said. 156 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:02.799 In my experience though, a lot of clubs and a 157 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:07.840 lot of coaches are very anal about you know, how 158 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:10.600 they train and people finding out, you know, what they do, 159 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:13.600 and behind closed doors and training sessions they don't they 160 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:17.600 don't like and I'm talking about in all walks of rugby. 161 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:20.080 They don't like people, you know. I don't think they're 162 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.480 generally reinventing the will, but they don't like people knowing. 163 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:25.399 So I'm sure there are people who actually don't show 164 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:28.120 you know, don't show the weaknesses of London because someone 165 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:29.639 else will watching it and given away. 166 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:31.799 A couple of years ago, I did a show called 167 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:35.960 Queensland League Scene and it was hosted by Taylor Brown 168 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:38.120 and John Devine and Taylor Brown's an ex player of 169 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:41.600 mine and went on to play Queensland Cup. And I 170 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:45.320 used to do an analysis segment every week and the 171 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:50.279 analysis segment was very popular, as you can imagine, and 172 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:55.240 apparently Taylor used to get calls every week off the coaches, 173 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:01.440 who the f is this pomme b because basically I 174 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:05.480 had found all the weaknesses in their side there was 175 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:09.799 And there was one coach who took the exact opposite 176 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:15.600 view of that. He's won premierships and he actually asked 177 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:18.159 me to do more analysis for his team and he's 178 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:20.559 probably the most successful coach in that competition in the 179 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:26.639 last few years and has also coached elsewhere, so tells 180 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:30.399 its own story if you ask me, we had plenty 181 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:35.120 of questions. John sam Grundy asks how long will the 182 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.559 quicker rook be allowed before they changed their minds again, 183 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:42.639 he's referring to the rule changes in England or the 184 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:46.600 interpretation changes. The game seems to swing like a pendulum 185 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:48.480 when you look at how it's been refereed over the 186 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.200 last couple of decades, is so right? 187 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:52.679 Is so right? 188 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:56.200 So how long? How long will it last this time? 189 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:00.279 Yeah, it's hard to It's hard to know because it 190 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:02.759 seems to be there's a crack down every season on 191 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.159 one thing. Another might be ey shots, that might be Roxby, 192 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:08.559 it might be whatever, and there's a flurry of penalties 193 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:11.080 and then it kind of peedes out right round five 194 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:16.440 or six. Yeah, it is just it's impossible to predict. 195 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:20.679 I hope, I hope that clubs, whether the referees holding 196 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:23.159 of the RFL holds its nerve and we do have 197 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:25.080 cleaner and quicker rocks. 198 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:28.159 You probably just answered the question John, round five or six. 199 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:30.799 Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be betting my life 200 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:33.200 on the fact that they stay the same all the ways. 201 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:33.879 Other season. 202 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:36.720 Ian Stockdale added, the play the ball has got to 203 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:40.200 be a talking point over here, meaning England. It's a joke. 204 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:43.000 Some players touch the ball with their foot or they 205 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:45.240 just throw it between their legs, which spoils the game 206 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:46.559 for me. And he's absolutely right. 207 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:46.759 Now. 208 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.279 The other thing, and I've mentioned this on this podcast, 209 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:53.840 once or twice the amount of times the markers aren't 210 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:57.600 square in Super Lean Yeah yeah, And you can even 211 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:59.960 look at last year's Grand Final and it's been going 212 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:04.240 back at the very least since twenty nineteen. They've not 213 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:09.559 been policing this. Because I was a Wigan versus Salford 214 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:11.799 in the Super League semi final that year when they 215 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:13.720 got to the Grand Final and I was with a 216 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:18.559 Salford fan behind the sticks and it stuck out like 217 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:21.679 dogs testicles because I was behind the sticks and I'd 218 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:26.159 never noticed it before. And I said to my dad, 219 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:29.399 I said, the markers are never square in this competition 220 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:36.200 and to me, it sticks out like dogs testicles. And 221 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:39.080 I don't know why they don't fix it. And there 222 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.600 was a couple of occasions in the Super League Grand 223 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:45.200 Final where the referee completely lost control of the ruck. 224 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:49.279 I e, something messy happened, because that's what happens, you know, 225 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:53.039 not every rook is the same. And he lost complete 226 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:55.679 control of it. And what I can't even begin to 227 00:12:55.720 --> 00:13:00.240 describe what happened, but that those play the balls because 228 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:00.399 it was. 229 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:04.440 All I think that's that's a fairly regular occurrence. I mean, 230 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:09.240 everything from the market is the tacklers lying on the 231 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.080 plata ball, slowing it down. The actual ability to play 232 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:14.559 the ball with your foot, which is the rule, seems 233 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:16.600 to be, or at least the interpretation in England is 234 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:18.639 you just have to make an attempt, so you can 235 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:20.720 just basically put them down and just throw a leg 236 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:24.039 near it. You don't actually to touch it. Is very 237 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:27.159 messy and I think generally referees just don't want to 238 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:30.000 be blowing the p out of their whistle, so they 239 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:32.559 kind of turn a blind iron times. But I think 240 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.600 because of that, players think they can get away with it, 241 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:37.799 and then it happens all the time. And say the 242 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:41.159 other thing is the ten meters which often becomes nine 243 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:43.840 and a half nine meters eight and I think one 244 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:47.320 coach actually told it, told me that was the theory was, well, 245 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:49.639 you can't really penalize them. If they're all offside, you 246 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:52.519 can't really penalize them. So it's kind of that if 247 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:55.039 their line speed is consistently nine and a half meters, 248 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:57.679 it's very hard to actually penalize them. As a case 249 00:13:57.679 --> 00:13:59.480 if you've got a shooter who's coming off, you know, 250 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:04.919 say the there was also something the referees brought in 251 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.600 maybe a decade ago where they were actually standing back 252 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:12.799 eleven meters so that they could look at the defensive 253 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:13.360 line better. 254 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:14.879 They were in Australia anyway. 255 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:16.240 Yeah, yeah, they. 256 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:20.240 Didn't communicate it very well, so every crowd was shouting 257 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:23.240 getting on, get him on side and having a coronery 258 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:28.440 because the defenses were literally half a meter or a 259 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:31.120 meter in front of the referee. Sometimes the players didn't 260 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:33.480 know when they were going back eleven meters. One of 261 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:38.639 the greatest comments in rugby league history for me, one 262 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:40.759 of the most famous is that's a big ten or 263 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:48.360 that's a small ten. Well ten is ten and with 264 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:50.720 proper bart's fields, which as we know is a problem 265 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:53.000 in England, it's a lot easier to officiate. 266 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:58.519 So I know two referees went out of a while ago, 267 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:01.320 but to be honest, I actually quite I liked the 268 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.799 two referees because you've got one referee who's looking at 269 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:07.240 a rock and the players laying all over the ball, 270 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:10.200 and then you've got one actually policing at ten. And 271 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:12.559 it's the same in not to throw on the other guy, 272 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:14.919 but it's the same in rugby union. The amount of 273 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:18.799 off sides now in rugby union, and where they don't 274 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:21.000 have to be far back, but their laun spent is 275 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:23.840 crazy because you can't literally there's that much going on. 276 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:27.120 A referee can't really police look directions. 277 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:32.600 So yeah, I don't know what's going on here. Paul Atkinson. 278 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:37.080 You've got a message, haven't you, John? I have, yes, 279 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:41.559 because Paul Atkinson miracle. Paul Atkinson wrote and said, how 280 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:46.399 was the breakfast at the Holiday in York on Sunday? 281 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:49.799 I was a bit I was. I saw that took 282 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:54.600 me back. I'm like I'm being stalked. Yes, I was. 283 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.799 I was at the New York Holiday in in in 284 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:00.600 New York City Center on Saturday, and and then I did. 285 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.039 The breakfast was lovely, Thank you, Paul. I enjoyed it 286 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:05.399 so obviously somebody was in the York. 287 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:08.720 Well it was. It was alawful. 288 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:11.840 I mean, all I'm hearing is Paul saying it was 289 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.240 at the Holiday Inn and you were, so that's all. 290 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.919 He didn't come up and say which is which is? 291 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:25.559 But intrepid David Wright, what do you lads make of 292 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:27.799 Saint Helen's this year? It seems to me they've got 293 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:30.159 too many players that aren't in the right position. I 294 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:32.759 have no idea if they're going to be good or rubbish? 295 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:36.159 Can I can I start with that? I Paul Rowley 296 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.879 being the coach, David, and thanks for the question. David 297 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:45.919 is expect different, I think. So I'm not saying he's 298 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:55.440 out there so much like a Einstein or Rugbiley coach 299 00:16:55.559 --> 00:17:00.440 or strange analyst, but he does have a slight different 300 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:04.400 method of football that's away from the cookie cutter method. 301 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:08.680 So and I wouldn't be surprised if Paul roy has 302 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:13.839 got excited and you might see some players interchanging position 303 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:18.599 a little bit, because coaches are coaches and they study 304 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:24.119 all sorts of sports. And again, somebody who's been in 305 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:26.480 vogue or in the last decade in the round ball 306 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:28.960 game has been Pep Guardiola, and I do think he's 307 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:32.519 possibly coming out of vogue now. But one thing Pep 308 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.039 Guardiola does is interchange positions in the middle of games. 309 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:41.000 So you center half becomes your midfielder, becomes your right wing, 310 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:44.599 becomes your left wing. The change positions all the time basically, 311 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:49.000 and change tactical formation. So I would I won't be 312 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:52.519 surprised if I mean, you'll know more about the squad, 313 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.880 but I wouldn't be surprised if Paul Rowley is thinking 314 00:17:56.920 --> 00:17:59.319 along those lines a little bit just to messings up. 315 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:01.440 And I know I've done things in the past. I've 316 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:05.400 I've played without a hooker and had an extra prop 317 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:08.759 on the field and used second rowers to be done 318 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:13.519 me half on each side. I've played without locks, I've 319 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:17.119 done all sorts. I've played without halves to have two 320 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:20.160 extra props on the field, so that you know, there's 321 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:21.880 no rules that say you have to have a full 322 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:26.119 back at six and a seven. So which is funny 323 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:29.759 because in the in England, the team sheet that they 324 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:34.599 put on the door literally says full back, standoff, scrum half, 325 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:39.200 loose forward, whereas a team sheet in Australia says one 326 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:39.839 to seventeen. 327 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.960 And also, I mean Jackson Hastings is one of the 328 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:49.200 big cint Alan signings for this year and he's got 329 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:51.359 the shirt thirty one, so he's not got you know, 330 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:54.319 six or seven, he's got thirty one and he will 331 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:57.640 probably play the halves, although just building on the point 332 00:18:57.680 --> 00:18:59.319 he said he might. You know, there's there's rumors that 333 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:01.759 he could play lot in the thirteen spot. 334 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:04.799 Well wanted him there a couple of years ago. 335 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:07.640 Yeah, and I mean you look at the success of 336 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:10.799 well say Tommy did and in State of Origin and 337 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:15.160 for the Kangaroos were recently and the way the game 338 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.400 has changed to have that sort of more ball playing lock. Yeah, 339 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:21.519 Saint Helens Is it's a good question because I really 340 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:24.480 can't pick how they're going to go this year. I mean, 341 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:29.240 obviously Paul Wellens left. He'd been there well his whole career, 342 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:31.319 but had been there as an assistant for Uma before 343 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:35.319 coming head coach. So new, completely new coach, new philosophy. 344 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:39.279 It is an aging squad in part. They've got some 345 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:44.160 really good young players coming through. But you look at Lomax, Wormsley, Clark, 346 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:50.079 syn and Percival, you know it's a really aging squad. 347 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:52.960 So how they balanced that is going to be interesting. 348 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:56.000 The issue with the halves last year had you know, 349 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:59.519 they've got Tristan Saylor who's a fullback and then they 350 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:01.240 try to play at six. It in works and they 351 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:03.319 move wells Be from fall back to six, which kind 352 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:05.519 of work. But Lomax, you know, there's a lot of 353 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:07.400 pressure on him to keep his spot. They've got a 354 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:10.240 really good young half back there and with George Whitby, 355 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:13.000 but is he ready to play week in week out. 356 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:16.200 There's a lot of question marks there. You know, they've 357 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:20.079 signed man named McDonald who is very talented but tends 358 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:24.079 to be rocks and diamonds and you know, leaves a 359 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:27.119 lot of clubs. And then you know they've signed David 360 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:30.759 Klamer who obviously he has had a great career in 361 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:34.599 Origin and Australia, but he's been sort of shown the 362 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:36.359 door a couple of clubs now at least you know, 363 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:39.880 Western Newcastle. So he's also heading towards the end. So 364 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:42.079 that Saint Helen's are a weird one. I think there 365 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:44.680 could be anything from you know, top three to all 366 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:48.480 about or eighth or ninth. I really I really can't say. 367 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:51.480 I mean, I think they'll probably end up fifth or sixth. 368 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:56.200 But yeah, it's it's it's quite an unpredictable one. And 369 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:59.039 what that spine, you know, whether they you know, they 370 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:02.720 go with with Lomax and Hastings or whether they go 371 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:04.960 with Lomax or Whitby, or whether they go with Whitby 372 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:07.640 and Hastings or Hastings is at thirteen. 373 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:13.640 Yeah, so you've got Whitby, Lomax, Hastings, Wellsby. 374 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:17.480 And yeah, and so and Saylor. He's not a six. 375 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:21.480 His best position is fullback, and I think they've used 376 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:23.079 him at fullback. They've used him in the wing, they've 377 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:25.599 used him, signed him as a six, but it just 378 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:28.599 didn't work because he's a ball runner. He's not a 379 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:32.079 he's not really a half. He's a fullback. So yeah, 380 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:35.200 it's it's an interesting one. But you know, they've also 381 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:37.519 got some great players. You know, Harry Robinson's a real, 382 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:41.799 real star, George Delaney, you know, they've got Maddy Lee's, 383 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:47.440 They've got you know, some real experience there. So it's yeah, I. 384 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:48.799 Think they're going to play a lot of football. I 385 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:49.839 think they're going to play a lot. 386 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:52.119 Yeah, I think. I think. I mean, generally poor roll. 387 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:55.079 These teams have thrown the ball around, been quite entertaining, 388 00:21:55.079 --> 00:22:00.000 and that's probably the Wholebrook and Wolf and Wellans area 389 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.599 has been really more based around defense launch. 390 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:10.400 Yeah. Different with my coaching hat on. Right, if the 391 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:14.720 rook speed up, it's not necessarily the best player to 392 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:17.720 play football. Because of the rook speed up you're probably 393 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:21.759 playing You're better playing a little bit more north south 394 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:24.240 to get momentum. 395 00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:25.279 Yeah. 396 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:28.759 So I always said in Super League about a decade 397 00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:31.480 ago when Sean Wayne's Wigan sides, or maybe a bit 398 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:34.039 longer when Shaun Wayne's wiggansides were doing well and Madges 399 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:38.960 Wigan sides. The simpler you are in Super League tended 400 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:41.799 to work because the Rooks were so fast, but they've 401 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:48.000