WEBVTT 1 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:39.240 Hey, everybody, welcome the game spot after Dark. I don't 2 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:40.840 know what the framing is, but I'm trying to like 3 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:44.560 get that behind me, you know, like like like like 4 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:47.200 a painting. But I've got the Halo s you know 5 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:49.840 what I'm saying? Right? Do you have this on your shirt? Though? 6 00:00:52.359 --> 00:01:04.280 You you I'm done? Ah'm sick. Hey, hey, curtain too, Vena. 7 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:08.799 That's me Jake Decker, Yeah, whatever, and I'm John Leck 8 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:15.920 zac P. Sorry, I'm not talking the rest of the episodes. 9 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:17.879 All right, that's fine. Fine, me and Kirk can just 10 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:20.040 talk about Adam Fall for the next hour. 11 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:23.719 Look angry, gotcha? 12 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:30.680 Anyways, Adam Fall. Let's just get into it. This is 13 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:33.640 an Adam Fall channel. Now. We just talked about Adam Fall. 14 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:37.840 Yeah, we've had for a channel that hasn't really been 15 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:40.959 consistently you know, we've been Our whole strategy is kind 16 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:43.959 of changed, doing live content and doing breakouts of live. 17 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:45.200 We're figuring it out right now. 18 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:48.079 We still managed to have surprisingly a lot of Adam 19 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:52.200 Fall talk. I was working on well, I was working 20 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:54.439 on his script and you were like, yeah, you should 21 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:56.879 like put that, we should like record that, and then 22 00:01:56.879 --> 00:01:59.599 this morning I'm like, dude, I think we've been talking 23 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:04.000 about that way too many videos on that not get actuality. 24 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:05.599 We've only really talked about it once. 25 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:11.159 Well, well, Jake did it, then I did, and then 26 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:14.719 me and Jake did it. Let's play. Yeah that it 27 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:15.960 gave you how much I'm paying attention. 28 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.240 We didn't do videos for the preview technically, because I 29 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:20.240 did like a written, scripted one, and then we did 30 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.240 one on the Game Spot Show. I think that aired right, 31 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:26.719 it did, and then we did a huge discussion and 32 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:27.360 then yeah. 33 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:29.120 We streamed it and then we talked about it last 34 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.879 week and yeah, yeah, we did talk about Yeah. 35 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:35.240 I mean, for what it's worth, it's a game that 36 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:37.479 we're collectively enjoying a lot. 37 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:40.960 And to be fair, last week you only played a 38 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:43.800 little bit and you also didn't say too much about 39 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:46.199 it on the Game Spot Show because you're, you know, 40 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:51.800 leaving the people. Yeah, so go ahead talk about it. 41 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:56.240 Kurt can just ramble, Okay. Me and Kurt have now 42 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:57.360 both finished at them fall. 43 00:02:57.759 --> 00:02:59.400 I think I got more, I think of export more 44 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:01.560 endings than you you have to. I did two, you 45 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:05.960 did three. Yeah took me about fifteen hours, although I 46 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:08.599 think I took me longer. Basically, the Counters is fifteen 47 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:10.360 it feels like I played it for more. You took 48 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:12.639 about twenty It took me twenty one hours. I don't know. 49 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:16.400 I mean maybe it's not like it's not because the 50 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:17.080 game was hard. 51 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:18.120 I just was. I don't know. 52 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:21.400 I felt like I was properly investigating things and doing 53 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:24.199 my thing, although there was a few times where I. 54 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:26.879 Would go to find something, couldn't find it. 55 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:29.120 You have to kind of it all got a little impatient, 56 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.439 went somewhere else, and then I was like, fuck, I 57 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:34.240 need to go all the way back there. But I 58 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:35.719 mean the game, I don't know, the game has like 59 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:39.080 really with the maybe exception with one map, I feel 60 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:42.360 like the game has a pretty good way of funneling. 61 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:46.960 But I would say the woods, I think is the 62 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:48.639 most annoying to navigate. 63 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:51.439 Yeah, a little bit, I would agree. 64 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:54.280 There's only one clear road that you can go down 65 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:56.400 to get to either end of it. 66 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:59.159 Otherwise it's very sprawling and yeah, you're kind of going 67 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:03.000 mazy in and out and stuff. We have finished it, 68 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:06.439 and uh, the reason we keep talking about it so 69 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:09.000 much is because, at least for myself, it is my 70 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:13.240 personal like front runner for Game of the Year. And 71 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:17.399 you put it on the ranking. I did number one Delivery, 72 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:19.519 watched the game Spot show. We have the game Spot 73 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:23.040 Power Ranking, which is a complete nonsensical list that has 74 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.959 nothing to do with anything that reflects that reflects us, 75 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:27.800 but isn't. 76 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:31.600 Or in this situation gen u yes, but it doesn't 77 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:34.720 hold any stake in how we as a publication. 78 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:38.000 Exactly like, don't try and lean into it in any 79 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:42.040 anything further. But I put that sucker right at the top. 80 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:44.759 I was very proud of you for that. 81 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:47.639 I mean, it's power move. It was one of those 82 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:49.040 you know. 83 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:53.399 Above Kingdom Come Deliverance to which I haven't split Fiction, 84 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:59.920 which we gave at ten, which I want to be three. 85 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:02.360 By what GameSpot game, I was seven out of ten. 86 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:06.160 Adam Fall, however, I do think Adam Fall is one 87 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:08.839 of those games that's gonna going to be very divisive 88 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:11.680 in many ways. I think it's even if you look 89 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:13.639 at the Steam reviews, it's already pretty clear to me 90 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:15.959 that either people fucking get it or they fucking don't. 91 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:18.800 And it's because the nature of that game doesn't tell 92 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.480 you what to do in any way, shape or form. 93 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:24.560 There just go the game that I closely associate it 94 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:31.759 with is games like far Cry Too, games like Metro Exodus. 95 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:36.759 It's it's games that have like a level of friction 96 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:40.600 to them and and a like a deliberate pacing that 97 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.279 I think is, Yeah, like you said, it's either going 98 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:45.639 to be extremely your shit in the way it is 99 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:49.600 for me, or you're gonna like not get it or 100 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:52.480 just kind of lose patients or you know, yeah, lose 101 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:54.519 patients or just like be like, ah, this isn't really 102 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:58.160 my vibe, which I think is totally fine obviously, but 103 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:01.279 like it, it does create this thing where you're like, yeah, 104 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:04.319 this is either a game you're going to be like, Wow, 105 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:07.319 this is incredible. Everyone should play it, or you're going 106 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:09.040 to just be like I don't really get it or 107 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:12.839 think it's like okay, I this game is like destined 108 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:15.079 to be a cult classic. In my opinion, I wanted 109 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:17.759 to be more than that. I think everyone should play it, 110 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:20.000 especially because it's on game Pass, you have like no 111 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:22.560 excuse to not try it and see if it vibes 112 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:22.879 with you. 113 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:27.279 But I will say I kind of mentioned this at lunch, 114 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:31.120 but you keep saying like this game has a lot 115 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:34.480 of friction, which it does, but you put it over 116 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:41.720 probably the biggest friction game, which in so long I've played, 117 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:43.319 I haven't played it yet. 118 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.240 Maybe it will go above Adam Fall when I play 119 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:51.959 it ranking board because they don't move well exactly. 120 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:56.839 But but to your point, you also said that adam 121 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.040 Fall basically lets you go into that world and. 122 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:01.920 Right away less it's it's a lot more managed. 123 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:03.800 You could probably do it and probably less than a 124 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:05.720 minute you can actually get into that open world. 125 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:08.319 Yeah, but you said can Kingdom Come Deliverance to is 126 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:12.560 like an hour? Yeah, that of itself hour maybe two. Yeah, 127 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.319 that game is also like ninety hours long. Yeah, where 128 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:17.600 this game is again a cool like fifteen to twenty. 129 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:19.439 And that's the thing I really like about Out of 130 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:22.480 Fall is it really respected my time, Like despite being 131 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:26.360 a game that is like slow and deliberate, Like every 132 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:29.120 hour of that game felt meaningful and felt like I 133 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:32.399 was doing things that were like important and engaging like it, 134 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.439 you know, compared to like playing Assassin's Creed for four 135 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:38.639 hours and feeling like I did jack shit and I 136 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:42.279 like don't remember any of it, like I've It's so 137 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.720 rare to play a game where every moment of it 138 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:48.800 like felt good and I wanted to keep playing. 139 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:49.920 I agree, I almost. 140 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:52.920 And also it's a game that I'm pretty sure you 141 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:55.639 could maybe finish in like I don't know, less than 142 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:56.279 an hour or two. 143 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:58.360 I would love what you're doing. I love to see 144 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:00.439 speed runs of this thing that you can like get 145 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:02.480 through that game real quick. It's it's I. 146 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:04.519 Think it's also a game you could potentially finish without 147 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:06.600 killing a single person. You may even be able to 148 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:09.000 finish it without talking to anybody, maybe, like I don't 149 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:11.439 even know, like I would like to try. 150 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:14.519 That's the type of kind of yeah feeling the game gives. 151 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:16.920 It gives that vibe because as you play it, you 152 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.079 have this epiphany of like, oh, oh, I could have 153 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.639 done it this way, Like I love when a game 154 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:24.560 does that where you like, as you're playing it, you 155 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:26.720 have this epiphany of just like way. 156 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:29.199 You and I had two different ways of getting the 157 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:32.440 dot somebody out of jail. Yes, like I had discovered 158 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:35.679 I had done something for someone who gave me permission 159 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:38.440 to walk right through the prison and not deal with 160 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:40.399 any of the prisoners or like any of the guards. 161 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:42.919 They basically they I was their ally. And then I 162 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.039 discovered that through a different way, you can open a 163 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:48.159 gate that goes to this other thing that goes as 164 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:50.320 things like, oh so when I get this person out, 165 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:52.679 I can just go here and avoid all this conflict 166 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:54.799 when shit hits the fan and I had found out 167 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:56.600 you were like, why fuck that all up? 168 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:59.759 Way early on? Oh yeah, I couldn't go through the 169 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.519 is in that way, so I found a completely different entemento. 170 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:05.960 So that was cool. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a big fan 171 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:09.039 of it. I'm a huge, huge fan of it. It 172 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:12.240 to me, it's just one of those games. It's like, oh, 173 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:14.960 it's it's scratching, it's scratching those itches. It's it's got 174 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.279 that uh, it's got that Double A magic of that. 175 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:20.200 I feel like you just don't see that often anymore. 176 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:21.879 And I think that's part of the reason why I 177 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:25.200 want it to be so successful. It's not just because 178 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:26.679 I'm like, hey, it's a cool game that I like, 179 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:29.559 and I think they dev should be rewarded for making 180 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:34.039 something cool, but because to me, it feels like this 181 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:38.159 is gonna sound really dramatic, the potential future of like 182 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:42.080 what Double A Games could and should be like, which 183 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:45.159 is like a studio that is well known for making 184 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:48.440 a thing, taking a risk but not in a major 185 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:52.159 way because they're reusing lots of assets from like Sniper Elite, 186 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:55.240 which I've never played Snapper Elit, so that didn't bother me. 187 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:59.399 But I know, like Mark mentioned that, but didn't it 188 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:01.480 didn't bother him either. He just mentioned that like they 189 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:03.720 used it, and he also praised it for being very 190 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:06.720 smart in the way that they kind of were like 191 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:09.600 we took what we have and we you know, like 192 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:12.080 built upon that to make something new. And I'm like, yeah, 193 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:14.000 like that's like what you should do with games, Like 194 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:16.879 you should like that. I feel like that's how games 195 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:18.360 used to be get made. It's like you would like 196 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:21.200 take what you had and you would just keep building 197 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:23.879 upon it and expanding upon it and then shifting it 198 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:26.759 around and making something new out of it. And it's like, 199 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:31.159 I don't know the budget of this game, but I imagine 200 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:34.240 it's a lot smaller than you know, like other big 201 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:37.840 kind of like tent Pole Triple A games. And to me, 202 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:39.840 it's like, I think this game is like doing more 203 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.279 interesting things than a lot of those games, and that 204 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:46.799 should be like celebrated and like if it does well, 205 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.399 like to me, it's like that's that's a positive example 206 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.519 of like where games should be going in that kind 207 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:53.919 of direction. 208 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:55.279 That was the one thing I was saying the other 209 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:56.879 day where was like, I really feel like Adam Fall 210 00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:59.759 is the type of game that we should be celebrating 211 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:03.879 because it is attempting to do things in a way 212 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:06.840 that is experimental and kind of novel and how it 213 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:10.159 approaches its quests, and regardless of whether or not you 214 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:11.759 think it is a seven out of ten or if 215 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:13.720 it is a seven out of ten, yeah, that doesn't 216 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.639 mean that the game should be any less celebrated because 217 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:18.799 it is trying something different and doing it in a 218 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:22.200 way that feels more approachable than I've seen other experimental 219 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.799 games or experimental things do it. I was going to say, 220 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:26.600 I don't know if I said this on podcast, Probably 221 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:28.919 not because I only played it for thirty minutes last time. 222 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:30.799 But the only other game I could think of that 223 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:35.000 has handled quests this way where everything is ranked. 224 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:35.480 Basically not ranked. 225 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:39.799 It's like nothing, nothing is a section, Yeah, nothing is prioritized, 226 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:42.720 so everything is considered important. The only other game I 227 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:43.879 can think off the top of my head, and I'm 228 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.600 sure there's more that did that and had the same 229 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.519 effect on me is Planscape Torment, where like everything in 230 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:53.559 your journal is just information you've collected, and it's really 231 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:56.200 up to you as a player to decide what is 232 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:58.879 priority and what's not, and like what feels important, what doesn't, 233 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:03.679 and even the most least important things oftentimes can be 234 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:06.320 extremely important to what happens at the end of the game, 235 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:07.919 which is the same thing with Landscape Torment. 236 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:14.000 It's a really fascinating example of how by just like 237 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:18.759 removing like just like the tiniest little bit of information 238 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:22.519 or re like framing it can completely change the way 239 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:26.080 you think about an approach because essentially, like your leads, 240 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.879 it's just a quest log like those are just quests, 241 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:32.799 but it doesn't frame them as quests. And it also doesn't, 242 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:35.159 like you said, frame them is like, hey, here's like 243 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.440 this is the side quest, and this is a secondary quest, 244 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:40.080 and this is a collectible and this is a main quest, 245 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:42.840 like you know, like because that's how most games operate, 246 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:43.919 and you kind of go like, oh, I'm gonna go 247 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:45.639 do the main quest. Now I'm gonna go do a 248 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:48.440 side thing, like the game just says like, no, these 249 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:51.879 are all leads and they all could equally lead to 250 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:57.080 something important or maybe something more minor and it's up 251 00:12:57.120 --> 00:12:59.799 to you. Yeah, And I think that like makes your 252 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:03.840 brain you approach it differently and in a way that's 253 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:08.200 like more exciting because you don't know what's gonna happen 254 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:12.000 and and what's helpful is more often than not, like 255 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:14.080 they I would say pretty much all of them like 256 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:17.080 are interesting. It would it would it wouldn't work if, 257 00:13:17.120 --> 00:13:19.279 like you know, you did a couple of them and 258 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:21.679 they were like boring and suck. But like they all 259 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:24.639 either like lead to like an interesting item or they 260 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:26.639 have like an interesting story, and a lot of times 261 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:29.480 one quest will then have a lead to another quest. 262 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:31.720 They all kind of like fold in on each other, 263 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.120 so it no matter what direction you go in, you 264 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:38.120 will have more directions to go in afterwards than you 265 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:41.919 will like very effortlessly end up at the ending, which 266 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:48.200 is like kind of like an it seems so effortless, 267 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:51.279 but like that has to be incredibly difficult to pull off. 268 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:53.679 When I spoke to the director, he was saying that 269 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:57.440 the early builds of that game, or like the early 270 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:00.279 like like the the betas and alphas and stuff, as 271 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:01.919 they were working through it. Originally they just had a 272 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:04.840 standard quest system that was just like really, go here, 273 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:07.440 just go here, do this. Yeah, I mean you'd still 274 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:09.679 pick up like a note, I think, but it would 275 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:11.879 just like point you directly where to go, and it 276 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:15.279 like I don't know if different quests were prioritize in 277 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:17.320 that state. I wish, I wish I asked them more 278 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:18.879 about it at the time, but I only played like 279 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.240 ninety minutes if that of it, so like didn't have 280 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:24.039 a lot of context. But he did say that it 281 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.960 took a lot of work to kind of figure out 282 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:31.399 like how to present all that information in a way 283 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:34.639 that's like interesting and doesn't sort of guide the player 284 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:37.399 too much, but also just like just enough guidance for 285 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:41.559 the player. Uh, And like it's interesting because that seems 286 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:43.559 like in theory, that seems like such an easy thing, 287 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:45.960 Like it's like, oh, let's just get rid of point 288 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:48.200 like waypoints and then there you go, you know, and 289 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:49.679 you have to look at the thing. But yeah, I 290 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:52.679 imagine there's like a lot of balancing that comes in, 291 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:54.919 like oh, Okay, what can I show the player here? 292 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:56.639 What should I not show the player? What should the 293 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.759 player have to figure out? Because like you can't just 294 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:00.000 be like all right, you have nothing. 295 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:03.080 To from good luck. They saw that. Well maybe some 296 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:04.559 people would like that, but yeah, but. 297 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:06.879 I do think they also solve that problem by sprinkling 298 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.759 all multiple possibilities to one place throughout the world. So 299 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:14.639 for example, I love bringing this up that we all 300 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:18.039 found flashlights at different times at different points, and I 301 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:22.679 found like the metal detector, like you, like Jake hadn't 302 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:24.879 found a flashlight, but he had found a metal detect 303 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:28.320 within like ten minutes, but you hadn't found a metal detector. 304 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.080 You had a flashlight, and like you both watched me 305 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:33.639 in real time just stumble upon a flashlight at one spot. 306 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:35.159 But then I realized later it's like, oh, you can 307 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.320 actually have found it, like right around. 308 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:38.639 The corner from where you first leave the bunker. It's 309 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:39.440 like little things like that. 310 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:41.679 And they do the same thing with leads, where you 311 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:44.159 will find multiple slips of paper or multiple things throughout 312 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:45.960 the world that all. 313 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:46.879 Lead to the same lead. 314 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:50.200 But it's done in such a way that I think 315 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:52.720 that's very smart, where it's like you can only find 316 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:55.200 this instead of having you can only get this quest 317 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:57.159 in this one place at this one point. They're like, no, 318 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:00.240 there's like sprinkles of things. Yeah, I allude to I. 319 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:04.600 Had to give like one very tiny criticism to that, 320 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:07.919 But it is that there were definitely situations where I'd 321 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:09.919 be like, I'm gonna follow, Oh, I'm gonna see what's 322 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:13.919 over here, and it would sometimes be a lead that 323 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:16.200 I already had, so I would be like, oh, okay, 324 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:19.440 like I this was meant for if I hadn't discovered it, 325 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:21.200 and it is, so it didn't feel like I wasted 326 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:23.000 my time. But it's like, and I don't even know 327 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:26.080 if i'd really call that like a criticism. If anything, 328 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:29.480 it's almost like a compliment to just like how much 329 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:35.519 they like included different avenues to explore, Like I like it. 330 00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:38.000 It's it's like you can see it helps you see 331 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:39.600 the seems a little bit when that happens. But I 332 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:43.440 by no means like I'm like, oh that's bad or anything. 333 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:45.200 It's just like kind of interesting. 334 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:45.559 I will say. 335 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:47.679 And this is a defense is like in defense of 336 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:50.679 the game, the amount of times I had found a 337 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:52.559 bunch of shit that I just picked up, I was like, 338 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.440 I don't know, this seems important, and then later somebody's like, 339 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:56.919 if you can go find this for me, be like. 340 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:00.440 Oh, I already did, Like I kind of already always like, 341 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:01.279 get fucked. 342 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:02.960 I don't have to go and do anything for you. 343 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:06.440 You go pal yep. Always always your cornish pastry. 344 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:07.920 No, you don't have to find a cornish pastry, but 345 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:10.319 somebody will give you'll get them and we will give 346 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:12.680 them to you for them. 347 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:14.400 Yeah. 348 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:16.359 I think that's just what British people do. They just 349 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:19.079 hide cornish pastries everywhere. And when I was in England, 350 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:21.000 that's pretty much I you know, if. 351 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:22.599 You did something nice for someone who's like. 352 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:25.240 Hey, exactly stripping over them. 353 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:29.359 Yeah, they're just just plopping on these cornish patri I mean, 354 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:30.279 and Adam fall. 355 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:32.440 Was I felt like I was stepping all over all 356 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:33.119 over the place. 357 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:35.039 You're watching it. There's a whole mind field in that game. 358 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:36.720 But then there's a cornish. 359 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:38.599 That Patry is putting in work. 360 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:43.839 Yea one paper is like my husband's sick, I got 361 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:46.720 nothing else to do. He just gives out and the 362 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:49.119 random just drop them. 363 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:51.279 Well, that was that was my favorite. 364 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:52.759 Another thing I love about that game. 365 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.640 Well, when you've solved the question, she gives you one. 366 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:59.400 When your inventory's pull and you're given a reward that 367 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:01.720 doesn't fit your inventory, it just kind of floats just 368 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:04.319 kind of just is thrown in the air. So when 369 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:07.960 I was like, thanks, here you go, missus Baker lady 370 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:10.160 like think you She's like, here have these cornish pastries? 371 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:12.720 They just kind of flopped off the floor the roof 372 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:13.680 in my invatory. 373 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:16.319 H So I would encourage every game to just kind 374 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:20.480 of throw inventory at me instead corns patries. 375 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:25.960 Yeah, it's a cool game that is is like was 376 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:28.400 not on my radar, and it's like, I again, it's 377 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:30.920 cool to see a developer that has like kind of 378 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:33.000 done the same game for the last like ten years. 379 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:36.359 It's interesting because Rebellion actually as a studio has been 380 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:38.440 around for like a really long time and hasn't done 381 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:40.400 like a lot of games. But I was kind of 382 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:44.359 looking through their desography and like they've been mostly just 383 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:47.920 doing Sniper Elite for the past decade, so with like 384 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:50.200 one or two things here and there they've branched out with. 385 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:53.920 So seeing them continue to branch out even further with 386 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:57.400 what feels like their biggest game definitely risks. Yeah, their 387 00:18:57.400 --> 00:18:59.960 biggest risk is like really cool. I think they're in 388 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:03.880 dependent too. I don't think owen By, Yeah, I think. 389 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:05.559 Yeah, I don't know if they're fully independent, but I'm 390 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:08.200 pretty sure, like you know, it is mostly independently owned, 391 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:08.799 which is cool. 392 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:13.200 Yeah, I should play it, especially if you have game Pass. 393 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:15.400 Yeah what are you doing? Go play it? I mean 394 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:18.119 it's also a reasonly priced game. Yeah. Oh no, no, 395 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:19.359 well I'm saying I get it all. 396 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:20.440 I think it's cheaper in PC. 397 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:24.599 Yeah, it's like, yeah, fifty bucks on PC, which is great. 398 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:28.640 It feels appropriate, you know, for a solid twenty hours 399 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:32.880 I spent totally with like good replay value. Could always 400 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:36.000 play it again, see different endings. Yeah, do a no 401 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:39.079