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In 35 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:59.840 nineteen ninety two, Lewis Duncan, acclaimed author of fictional suspense, 36 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:03.920 wrote a horror story she could never have imagined, writing 37 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.000 a true account of the murder of her own daughter, 38 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:11.680 kate Lynarquette. Kate eighteen, was shot to death as she 39 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:14.439 drove home from a friend's house on a Sunday evening 40 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:19.080 in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Police closed the unsolved case as 41 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:23.719 a random shooting, refusing to accept information that indicated otherwise, 42 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:26.960 although it had all the earmarks of a professional hit. 43 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:31.719 That first book, Who Killed My Daughter was Duncan's desperate 44 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:35.080 attempt to motivate informants and prevent the facts of Kate's 45 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:40.560 story from becoming buried. It turned out to accomplish much 46 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:45.000 more than that. Duncan's new book, One to the Wolves 47 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:47.520 on the Trail of a Killer, is even more horrifying 48 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:51.120 than its predecessor. As new information poured in, the family 49 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:54.240 ran for their lives, and their original suspicions turned out 50 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:56.919 to be the tip of an iceberg so immense that 51 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:00.560 Kate herself could not have known how dangerous the information 52 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:03.240 was that she had been sitting on in order to 53 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:07.360 protect and now estranged boyfriend. The book that we're featuring 54 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.159 this evening is One to the Wolves on the Trail 55 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:13.439 of a Killer, with my special guest, journalist and author, 56 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:17.400 Lois Duncan. Welcome to the program, and thank you for 57 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:20.759 agreeing to this interview. Lois Duncan, Thank. 58 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.159 You Dan, thank you for having me on, and thank 59 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:26.280 you for caring about us and about Kate. 60 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.319 Oh, it's my pleasure. This is an incredible book and 61 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:34.360 of course an incredible case. And if there is ever 62 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:37.560 a case it's more personal, I can't imagine it. So 63 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:42.919 let's get to this incredible story with the introduction of yourself, 64 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.360 because this is actually, as you point out, and it's 65 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:49.840 very obvious, this is quite ironic. Tell us what your 66 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:53.840 chosen career has been, and you've been successful in this profession. 67 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:59.000 Tell us what you are, what kind of author you are, 68 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:02.479 and the type of books that you have written. 69 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:07.319 I always knew I was going to be a writer. 70 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:12.759 I was starting to send stories to magazines when I 71 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:16.000 was ten years old, and began to sell them when 72 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:21.000 I was thirteen, and I sold my first book. I 73 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:24.560 wrote my first book at age twenty that was called 74 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:28.680 Debutante Heel, which put me back and you can see 75 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:32.920 what era I came from. That was published in nineteen 76 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:39.759 fifty seven and it's just recently been republished. And so 77 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:44.079 I started with these gentle teenage stories, and then at 78 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:50.759 some point I started writing suspense novels for teenagers, and 79 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.560 that turned out to be the niche that I was 80 00:04:54.879 --> 00:05:00.199 placed into and became popular in with books like I 81 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:03.560 Know what You Did Last Summer and Killing Mister Griffin. 82 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:11.600 And by this time I've written over fifty books, so 83 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:16.120 I've had a very long career. But never ever did 84 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:19.839 I think that I would be writing a book about 85 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:21.399 the murder of my own child. 86 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:31.360 Yes, now, tell us about your life with Caitlin our Cat. 87 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:33.959 I guess this is your pen name that you're using 88 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.079 as Lois Duncan as a writer. But tell us about 89 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:43.079 life growing up, about your husband and Caitlin and any siblings. 90 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:45.759 Tell us about what her life was really like, and 91 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:52.120 then you can explain what really characterized her particular personality 92 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:55.879 and what was her ambitions and goals and dreams in life. 93 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:58.800 Tell us a little bit about Kaitlyn our Cat. Please. 94 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:04.519 Well. I grew up in a very gentle home with 95 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:10.240 parents who never ever thought about evil entering into our lives. 96 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:14.319 And it was just my brother and me and my parents, 97 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:19.480 and we were very happy family, what you'd call the 98 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:27.639 absolute normal family. And I married Donna Arquette, and I 99 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:32.519 had had a previous marriage with three children and was divorced, 100 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.399 and Donna adopted my three children, and then he and 101 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:38.920 I went on to have two more children of our own, 102 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:46.120 Donnie Arquette, Don Junior, and Kate, who was our baby. 103 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:51.560 And so we had five children, were raising five children. 104 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:57.399 We were living in Albuquerque, New Mexico. All our children 105 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:03.319 were interesting in their own way, and Kate, being the 106 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:06.279 baby of the family, was doted on of course by 107 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:12.199 all of us. And she was very bright, and she 108 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:17.120 was she wanted to become a doctor so she could 109 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:24.480 help people save lives. She was a humanitarian early on. 110 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:27.560 She became an organ donor as soon as she could 111 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:36.839 get her driver's license. And she was also very strong 112 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:47.839 willed and rebellious and funny and delightful and beautiful. And 113 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:53.199 that is a dangerous combination of things to have. And 114 00:07:54.879 --> 00:08:00.240 that was our youngest child. And Kate is the one 115 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:02.879 who was chased on in her car and shot to death. 116 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:10.600 And all of those traits that she had probably contributed 117 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:14.959 to the murder because it made her someone who went 118 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:18.639 out and did things that we didn't know about. And 119 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:26.720 it also contributed to what she donated from her life 120 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:31.480 because being an organ downer, she never got to become 121 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:36.679 the doctor she had always wanted to be, but five 122 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:43.120 of her organs were transplanted, and so five lives were 123 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:45.559 saved because Kate died. 124 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:48.960 Mm hmm. 125 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:54.240 Well that she cared enough to be an organ donator, 126 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.360 because people don't always. 127 00:08:56.039 --> 00:09:01.639 Do that, not when not when they're that young. She 128 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:03.919 was saying she wanted to be an organ doner when 129 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:07.000 she was twelve, and as soon as she got her 130 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:10.519 driver's license, that's what she put on it. So when 131 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:14.320 she died, we knew, we knew that we had to 132 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:18.720 keep her. She was pronounced brain dead, and we knew 133 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:21.679 we had to keep her body going long enough to 134 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:26.320 get her organs transplanted, because that's what she wanted to 135 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:27.080 have happened. 136 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:32.559 Now. I know this is you know, maybe even a 137 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:36.120 painful question, but I think it's important as we talk 138 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:39.840 about this case. Now you say that there are things that, 139 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:45.159 of course, especially teenage children are not going to as 140 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:48.919 close as any parent can be with their child. I mean, 141 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.840 there's going to be some secrets between them, some things 142 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:54.399 that are held back, and things that obviously they're not 143 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.879 going to necessarily share. But overall, as you write in 144 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:02.320 the book, is it's not like this is Caitlin was 145 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:07.159 a troubled youth or anything. But was there you know, 146 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:11.159 if we talk about, you know, the period of time 147 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:16.919 when she has this boyfriend Dung, tell us about this relationship, 148 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:21.159 how long it had occurred, and the meeting of you 149 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:25.120 with the boyfriend or the contact or any information you 150 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:29.240 have about that. What was your initial impression hearing about 151 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:34.399 or meeting tell us about the relationship with this Vietnamese 152 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:39.440 person Dung and your reaction tell us, well. 153 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:44.480 I'll start with your first question about what Kate was like. 154 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:56.320 Kate withheld things like any teenager would. But Kate never 155 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:00.240 had been in trouble of any kind. She was the 156 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:06.279 gold star kid, she was honor society. She didn't smoke, 157 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:11.600 she didn't drink, she didn't do drugs. She'd never been 158 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:15.159 in trouble with the law. She had a curfew, she 159 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:20.639 kept it. So it's not like we had anything to 160 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:26.320 make us think this could happen. Kate also was a 161 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:32.159 person that was a humanitarian, and she was always bringing 162 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:36.679 home straight animals that were hurt and nursing them back 163 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:42.960 to health, and stray people who had problems, and Kate 164 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.799 wanted to help them deal with their problems. And in 165 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:51.720 this case, this was a young Vietnamese man. He was 166 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:56.720 one of the boat kids. He came over. He was 167 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:02.679 struggling with the language, She was homesick his family back 168 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:08.080 in Vietnam. He and Kate met at a coffee house. 169 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:13.440 She more or less adopted him, and I think it 170 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:17.799 started like that. She brought him home all the time, 171 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:21.399 and he called me mom and would stand over me 172 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:26.279 in the kitchen as I cooked and be so excited 173 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:29.720 about being in a real home, and so it was 174 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:32.320 like she was first it was like she was taking 175 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:35.399 care of him, and then it went on and it 176 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:42.240 turned into a romantic relationship. And we really didn't know 177 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:46.519 much about him because he was he was around all 178 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:49.840 the time because she had him there taking care of him. 179 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:56.200 But his language is English, was not good, so it's 180 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:00.039 hard to have a conversation with him. And Kate I 181 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:03.440 would say nothing about him that wasn't good, and we 182 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:11.559 had no idea that anything was wrong. And when Kate graduated, 183 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:17.279 she already had a job, she was self supporting. She graduated, 184 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:20.679 she immediately got her own apartment. She wanted to be 185 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.879 independent and she could pay for it out of what 186 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:29.080 she was earning with her work. And she took him 187 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:32.799 in to live with her there. And I think that 188 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:38.080 once that happened, she learned about things that she didn't 189 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:41.960 know before that, because before that she had a curfew. 190 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:47.960 He would be at our house, he'd go home, as 191 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:50.879 far as we knew, I'd go to bed. Maybe she 192 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:55.480 slipped out, I don't know. But once she had her 193 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:59.320 own place and he moved in, and then all his 194 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:03.759 friends came swarming in and she realized that his friends 195 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:10.000 were part of a criminal group. I think she, in 196 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:13.720 the last couple of months of her life, learned about 197 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.799 a lot of things she was not supposed to know, 198 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:21.480 and then she broke up with him. And the night 199 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:23.840 she broke up with him, she was chased down in 200 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:27.879 her car and shot to death. So I'm not thinking 201 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:30.960 that he did it, but I'm thinking that she knew 202 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:36.159 too much and she was now angry and was in 203 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:43.000 a position to expose it and she was taken out. Yeah, 204 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:47.120 that's speculation, Dan, No. 205 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:50.080 But there's inferences and so there's there's a difference, and 206 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:54.480 so we'll get to that as well, because don't you know, 207 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.039 don't downplay that sort of thing, because you provide a 208 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.200 lot of information. And that's all investigation, ever is, whether 209 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:05.440 it's police or private investigation or private citizens and doing 210 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:10.720 an investigation. So there's always validity, certainly, and there's logic 211 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:16.279 involved there too. So let us go back to unfortunately, 212 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.240 tell us what happened in terms of Again, it's important 213 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:24.519 for people to understand this case because of the implausibility 214 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:27.399 of the Again, we talk about a random shooting and 215 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:30.440 it looks like an assassination, and you just mentioned that 216 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:34.080 there was good reason for someone to have her assassinated. 217 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:37.919 So tell us just about if whatever you can handle 218 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:41.559 in terms of again, it's very interesting that the car 219 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:44.039 travels seven hundred and twenty feet and then it's put 220 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:48.039 in park. So tell us about what actually happened that night, 221 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.480 take us back to the faithful event prior to that, 222 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:54.039 and then lead us up to what at first was 223 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.799 known about and what you knew initially about what had happened. 224 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:06.639 The night of the murder. Kate left her apartment, came 225 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:11.600 over to our house. She arrived at six pm. I 226 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:16.360 know exactly when she arrived because sixty minutes had just started, 227 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:20.200 so she walked in the door just as the show started, 228 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:25.840 so I know that absolutely. And she told us that 229 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:30.759 she had to break up with her boyfriend. You said Dung. 230 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:36.639 Actually it's pronounced yune as far as the Vietnamese pronunciation goes, 231 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:43.919 and that it was over something very serious. That she 232 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.440 had told him he had to move out of her apartment, 233 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:53.200 she didn't want him or his friends around anymore. And 234 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:56.399 she said she was going to the home of a 235 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:01.360 new girlfriend for dinner, and that she was going to 236 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:04.000 then come back and spend the night at our house. 237 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:06.960 She was not going to go back into the apartment 238 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:11.200 until he was gone, And so she went to the 239 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:15.799 home of the girlfriend, and when she left the home, 240 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:19.079 she was chased down in her car and shot to 241 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.559 death driving in the direction of our house. 242 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:27.319 Now this is important too. Where was she shot? 243 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:37.039 She was shot twice in the head. Yeah, I mean 244 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:40.920 you mean where in the town was she shut? 245 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:43.480 No? 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If 285 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:20.799 you go to our website you can see a picture 286 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:26.079 of it, or if you read under the Wolves, we've 287 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:31.039 got a good sized picture of it there showing the 288 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:35.400 size of that hole. And that hole is certainly not 289 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:40.359 a twenty two. That is a large sized bullet, which 290 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:44.279 would suggest to us that two guns were shoes used. 291 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:49.279 And if that's the case, that was not random. 292 00:20:49.680 --> 00:21:00.000 Certainly, certainly. Now, what do the police released to the public, 293 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:04.759 and what do the police say to you? And how soon? 294 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:10.559 How many how much time elapses before authorities contact you, 295 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:12.319 how do they contact you? Tell us about that. 296 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:19.839 We were called from the hospital and my husband Donn 297 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:25.079 and I were asleep and we were called just before midnight, 298 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:31.039 and it was a nurse from the hospital or some 299 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:36.759 representative there said your daughter is here and she's been injured. 300 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:41.920 And I immediately said, well, what's wrong. They said, we 301 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:44.720 cannot talk to you on the phone. You have to 302 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:50.519 come down, and so of course we jumped into our 303 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:53.799 clothes and drove straight to the hospital, and all we 304 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:56.000 could think of was it must have been a car wreck. 305 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:00.359 She's gone to her girlfriend's house. She never came back 306 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:03.119 here to go to sleep like she said she would. 307 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:07.240 She's been in a car wreck. And I got out. 308 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:10.680 My husband took the car around to park it, and 309 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:13.559 I got out and ran in the emergency room door, 310 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:17.599 and a nurse came out and put her arms around me. 311 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:20.400 And right then I thought, oh god, this is worse 312 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:24.039 than I ever imagined. And I said, it's a car wreck, 313 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:30.400 is that? And she said, your daughter's been shot in 314 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:35.119 the head. And then she said you've got to prepare 315 00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:39.240 yourself for the fact that you may lose her. And 316 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:47.160 she was in a coma and her brains were shattered. 317 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:55.160 And I leader asked the doctor, what you know, what 318 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:58.559 shoul would we pray for? What would you pray for 319 00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:03.079 if this was your child? He said, I don't know 320 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:07.839 what to tell you. He said, if she lives, she'll 321 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:14.960 never be Kate and is he implied, she'll be a vegetable. 322 00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:23.880 And she continued to live for twenty hours on life support, 323 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:33.359 and then she went frain dead and I had to 324 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:36.119 be the one to say take her off life support. 325 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:39.240 And I figured I had to be the one because 326 00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:41.720 I was the one who brought her into the world, 327 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:44.559 so I should be the one that takes her out. 328 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:49.960 And the young man who was waiting for her heart 329 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:54.880 and lungs was already prepped on the next floor waiting 330 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:59.519 to get them, and I knew she wanted to donate them. 331 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:03.839 I knew she no longer had a brain, so I said, 332 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:11.359 I'm plugger. Yeah, that was the worst thing I've ever 333 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:13.039 had to do in my life. 334 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:20.759 Of course, of course, he I can only imagine now 335 00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:26.400 to top this off, of course, there's the nagging questions 336 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:33.039 of who and why and so what the what's police? 337 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:38.759 What are the what are the police's official explanation via 338 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:40.759 their release and their explanation to you. 339 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:47.519 In the beginning, there there was a there was a 340 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:56.079 good young homicide detective Steve Gagels. I will name names 341 00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:59.400 here because they're all matter of record, And he was 342 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:03.119 in charge of her case, and he was doing things right. 343 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:07.720 He was going around. He was He went straight to 344 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:13.519 the girlfriend's house, then he went straight to the apartment 345 00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:20.319 where Kate's boyfriend was and woke him up to break 346 00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:24.839 the news to him. Well, we later discovered that that 347 00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:29.440 two hours before that the boyfriended or even calling people 348 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.880 telling them that Kate had been shot. But Steve Kaaliegis 349 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:41.400 didn't know that, and so Detective Gaia Goos was doing 350 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:47.559 everything that he could during those first days and trying hard. 351 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:53.279 And then it was almost like something came down and 352 00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:58.079 blocked him, like somebody said, stop it. You're not to 353 00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:03.000 go on this track. This was a random drive by shooting, 354 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:08.119 and you are not to look at anymore. And he 355 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:14.680 was just a young detective and he obeyed his superiors. 356 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:19.039 And this is I am again speculating why he did this, 357 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.279 but I saw him doing all the right things, and 358 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:26.359 then I saw it blocked. And then suddenly the police said, 359 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:30.480 random drive by shooting, and we will not accept any 360 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:36.799 information that indicates otherwise. And that was. 361 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:40.480 Let's just get back to this, because I think this 362 00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:43.400 is very important. You said that. Of course, you write 363 00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:46.440 in the book that a few hours later, three hours later, 364 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:57.599 the police contact Nung Kate's boyfriend and two to tell 365 00:26:57.640 --> 00:26:59.920 him about the death of his girlfriend and to see 366 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.160 his reaction. As they know that they're always looking at 367 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:07.799 people closest to the victim. In this particular case, the 368 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:10.440 boyfriend is a likely suspect that they have to rule 369 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:17.640 out or or you know, consider an interesting suspect. How 370 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:21.039 did you find out that he had contacted his friends? 371 00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:26.000 How certain are you with this in terms of he 372 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:29.319 contacted his friends saying that Kate had been shot? And 373 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:32.640 then the police report tell us about how certain you 374 00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:33.920 are about that information? 375 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:46.440 Because Kate, much after the fact, Kate's hairdresser contacted us, 376 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:51.519 and because we have a website up that we had 377 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:57.359 email way for testers to get in touch with us, 378 00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:03.759 and she contacted us and told us that and she 379 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:08.759 wasn't just Kate's hairdresser. She was a personal friend to Kate, 380 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:13.039 babysat with her children, and she used Kate as a 381 00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:20.240 hair model. And she said that you had phoned her 382 00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:27.400 babbling hysterically. Kate's dead. They shot Kate. Kate's dead. And 383 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:33.680 she knew exactly what time he called because the late 384 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.720 news had just gone off and she and her husband 385 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.759 were getting ready for bed, and so her husband could 386 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:46.400 support her statement. And this was hours before the police 387 00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:51.240 went to the apartment and woke up you. And so 388 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:57.400 there's no reason to disbelieve this young woman who would 389 00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:00.640 contact us. And she also told us she called the 390 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:05.680 police within weeks of the shooting and told them this, 391 00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:09.480 and they said that they would not take her information 392 00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:16.640 because it was a random shooting, and this suggested something else. Yeah, 393 00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:22.480 she was very frustrated. She has actually allowed us to 394 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:28.599 take a video of her making this statement about the shooting. 395 00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:33.880 She was very angry that she was shrugged off with 396 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:40.279 important information, and we owe her a lot for her 397 00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:46.680 honesty and her her courage to come to us and 398 00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:47.319 tell us that. 399 00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:54.599 Now you just mentioned it, but maybe we should talk 400 00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:57.319 about how strong this is because, as I did in 401 00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:59.920