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Please be advised to listen at 8 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:36.759 your Orderscucson. 9 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:24.680 Comment, come comment. 10 00:01:31.760 --> 00:01:35.760 You are now locked into the truth FKA podcast Girls 11 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:42.359 Say Saturdays on Godly Say, streaming live at truththika dot com. 12 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:46.640 She's not a CHRISTI your portal to the bar normal, 13 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:49.400 esoteric and all things spiritual. 14 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:52.319 She's tempory, a down sided. 15 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:55.280 Stuffed and now your host truth Beka. 16 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:00.959 What's up, ladies and gentlemen. I'm your host truth Seka. 17 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:04.439 This is the Truth Seeker Podcasts. Excited and delighted to 18 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:07.879 be with you guys again to do what I thoroughly 19 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:12.400 enjoy doing, talking to interesting people, having conversations that maybe 20 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:15.919 seeing taboo to have in your normal everyday life. You 21 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:18.400 can't really go on the job site and start talking 22 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:22.560 to people about UFOs or psychedelics or aliens or even 23 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:25.199 spirituality for that matter. So I remember when I was 24 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:26.599 on the job site, I had to go there. I 25 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:28.960 had to talk about football and sports and the weather 26 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:31.439 and things like that, you know. So like to really 27 00:02:31.479 --> 00:02:33.879 create an atmosphere where we can dig into some of 28 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:36.680 these ideas and thoughts and experiences that we've been having 29 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:39.319 and kind of just throw them up man and see 30 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:43.319 what sticks. And so it's really cool when people have 31 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:47.039 had similar experiences and similar encounters and we can all 32 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:50.719 come to the table and bring our information there and 33 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:53.759 not argue, not to debate, you guys know, I don't 34 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:56.360 like to do that, even when some people want to 35 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:58.960 prompt you to do that. It's not that there is 36 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:02.319 a specific agenda with the information that comes on. If 37 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:04.319 that's the case, then I wouldn't have a lot of 38 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:07.439 certain guests on here who are strong with their standpoint. 39 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:10.919 But it's really about exploring the information for what it 40 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:13.039 is and seeing if it fits. And I think that 41 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:17.159 a lot of us are having very similar experiences. There's 42 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:19.120 more insight that we can get with the more people 43 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:21.680 that we talk to and really have like a judge 44 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:23.879 of character for people and just see where they're coming from. 45 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:26.240 So we got a good show for you guys. Today. 46 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:28.639 I'm going to be speaking that David Curtis about his 47 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:32.479 UFO encounters and got some really interesting information on how 48 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:36.240 it ties into spirituality in the occult and things like that, 49 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:38.400 and so I think they go hand in hand. I 50 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:40.400 think they're good for the most part. You know what 51 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:43.520 I'm saying that when we talk about having an agenda, 52 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:47.159 that's maybe that's an agenda. You know, those are my experiences, 53 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:50.719 my encounters. Other people have had similar encounters. But then again, 54 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.120 we've had other people on the show, such as Carrie 55 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:55.960 Cassidy and some other people who say, wait, these things 56 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:58.759 may not be as pleasant or as good as we 57 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:02.199 think that are, or want them to be. For that matter, 58 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:04.840 I think I want them to be the saviors. I 59 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:06.400 think I want them to be the ones that are 60 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:09.080 watching over us and have been here since the beginning, 61 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:11.280 and I think they are so. But I think it's 62 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:13.360 just about looking at the information for what it is, 63 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:16.879 and I'm definitely open to that to have those conversations 64 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:18.920 before we go any further. 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I want to give a 74 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:48.399 shout out to a couple new people we have this 75 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:50.759 past week since I did the last show, like just 76 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:53.839 a couple of days ago, we got two new people 77 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:56.839 who's joined the community. This is someone named home Sauce 78 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.120 is the name they're going by, Samantha Christina. Welcome to 79 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:02.160 the family. And everybody else who is supporting. Thank you 80 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:04.560 guys so much. 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I tie all of this 89 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:33.879 information and all my research into my music and then 90 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.319 and then do the podcast where I kind of break 91 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:38.079 it down and go into some of the detail of 92 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:40.439 those encounters and stuff that are in my music. So 93 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.240 you get access to that. We also have Thursday nights 94 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:45.079 which is called the School of the Mystics that we do, 95 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:47.759 which is going to be tonight seven pm Central. You 96 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:50.519 get access to that. This is a roundtable discussion. We're 97 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:53.240 going to be starting a course this week which is 98 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:57.360 how to tap into the prophetic ministry, how to hear 99 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.079 the voice of the Holy Spirit here God speaking in 100 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.879 your own life. And so these are these short teachings 101 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:05.480 we're going to be doing, and there's practical experience and 102 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:09.560 activations and a group discussion. So join us tonight if 103 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:12.279 you're a patron over at patreon dot com. Back says, 104 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:15.399 Trusteeka and get access. So with that, I'm gonna say 105 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:20.519 thank you guys without further ado. David Curtis, you're joining 106 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:25.120 us from Australia, Is that right? Brother from England. The 107 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:30.639 accent right, Welcome to the show Man. 108 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:32.759 Yeah, thanks, Yeah. 109 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:36.360 So I guess after I did those interviews with Kerry Cassidy, 110 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:38.199 I guess you find out my work and seeing what 111 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:42.240 I do, and reached out to me wanting to be 112 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:44.800 a guest, and showed me your material some of the 113 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:47.439 other interviews that you've done, and I kind of went 114 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:49.920 in and were just skipping around throughout the interviews because 115 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:52.399 it's a lot of material there, and I went right 116 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:55.079 to the place I needed to go, talking about the 117 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:57.560 White Room and the UFO encounters and things like that, 118 00:06:58.199 --> 00:06:59.920 and I thought, now, I haven't listened to the the 119 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:03.759 entirety of it, but I thought that it sounded mostly 120 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:07.560 like pleasant experiences, that it was something that maybe is 121 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:11.519 welcomed versus being something of negative or being tormented or 122 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:13.560 something like that. If you want to set that up 123 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:17.240 of kind of go into some detail, I'm interested to 124 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:19.519 hear the whole story, man, at some of these encounters 125 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:20.040 that you've had. 126 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:25.120 Okay. So I was born in March the first, nineteen 127 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:28.199 forty five, at the end of the World War two, 128 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:35.199 and I was living in Oxford, and I was brought 129 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:39.399 up in a non religious house, so things like good 130 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:46.279 and evil, God's soul, Jesus, they didn't mean anything to me. No, 131 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:50.199 So there was no interiority, you know, there was nothing inside. 132 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:53.959 And my parents they just lived and they died and 133 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:57.399 that was it, really. You know. They weren't materialists, they 134 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:02.279 weren't atheists. They were just ordinary people working ordinary jobs. 135 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:04.839 But they had no interest in religion. That was the 136 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:08.399 society they were brought up in. So anyway, at the 137 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:13.959 age of four, I'm lying in bed and I see 138 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:18.079 some flickering lights by the ceiling and I'm kind of 139 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:22.079 fascinated by them, and I feel my body is expanding 140 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:25.160 into the room, so it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger. 141 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:28.560 I get a bit freaked out and put my head 142 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:32.879 under the pillow and I see these entities running around. 143 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:36.440 So that sounds like a typical abduction. I have no 144 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:39.840 memory of an abduction, but something strange was going on 145 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:44.840 with myself, and maybe that was the beginnings of some 146 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.240 kind of inner world, you know, and inner world that 147 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:52.480 was not in my family. And I never told my family, 148 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:55.759 and I wasn't particularly frightened, so I didn't tell my 149 00:08:55.919 --> 00:09:00.720 parents about it. So then I move on to fifteen. 150 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:06.600 I joined my sister who's married to an American in Portsmouth, 151 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:09.480 New Hampshire. So I go over there, I go to 152 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:14.720 high school and he's just come out of the Air 153 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:18.919 Force and he's a lab technician in the local hospital, 154 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:22.360 and he gets me a job in the Air Force base. 155 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:25.200 While I'm working in the Air Force base. This is 156 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:30.399 nineteen sixty one in the fall, and right when I'm 157 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:35.480 working there, the most important UFO abduction case is being 158 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:41.240 investigated right at that moment in that particular Air Force base, 159 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:47.320 and it's the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. And John 160 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:51.679 Fuller wrote a book called The Interrupted Journey in about 161 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:56.519 nineteen sixty seven. So I'm at a place that's very strategic. 162 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:01.200 It's the first major abduction. In the fifties, they called 163 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.879 it contact Tee, so like Georgia Dampski would say, you know, 164 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:11.399 he's a contact with Venus. But since Betty and Barney Hill, 165 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:15.240 it became abduction. So that was like I had this 166 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:19.799 four year old thing and then it's kind of like 167 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:24.240 you tick another box. It's like suddenly I'm right at 168 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:27.360 the center. You know, there's a maneuver like on the 169 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:31.039 chessboard and I'm maneuver to go over to America. I 170 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.159 believe it's all orchestrated. I believe that it's a what 171 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:40.080 I call a meta programming by alien intelligence which I 172 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:44.600 have contact with, direct contact with, And I didn't know then, 173 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:48.759 of course, but looking back, I can see that, Yeah, 174 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:52.879 my life, I haven't been the mover of my life. 175 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:57.279 I haven't been the kind of ego center that's in control. 176 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:01.159 I'm just kind of following. I'm not far orders. In fact, 177 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:05.360 I feel very free. I feel very liperated person. I 178 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:12.559 feel that somehow I'm kind of receptive and adaptive. And 179 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:16.120 I've been to India, I've been all over. I've lived 180 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.279 in about fifty different places. 181 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.000 Right, So is it let me ask you this, So 182 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.879 is it this inward? Is it this inward knowing? Like 183 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:28.159 because you said you don't feel forced, It's like you 184 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:31.799 know in your heart of hearts, that there's this divine 185 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:34.279 purpose that you're here for, there's this part of your journey, 186 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:39.279 and if you submit to it, amazing things begin to happen. 187 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:42.879 Your life begins to be orchestrated by essentially the hand 188 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:46.000 of the divine. Or you can kind of step away 189 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:47.799 and say no, no, I'm not going to entertain that. 190 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:49.600 I'm just going to do what I want to do. 191 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:53.360 That's the type, that's what you're talking about, correct, Yeah, right, I. 192 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:56.960 Can go into that. Well. At fifteen, my sister and 193 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:59.559 brother in law they go to California. I get kind 194 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:01.919 of a bad so I'm literally on my own in 195 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:06.720 fifteen sixteen, and I'm with an American family and then 196 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:09.440 I get a job in a summer camp and I 197 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:12.000 literally have no money and nowhere to go, so I've 198 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:14.879 got to literally ask people to look after me. So 199 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:18.480 I get picked up by this American family and I'm 200 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:22.279 taken to New York to Poughkeepsie, which is about fifty 201 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.879 miles north of New York City on the Hudson River, 202 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:33.399 and I live with a family. The man is an 203 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:38.960 IBM person. He's an inventor and he's got many patents 204 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:42.960 on computers. And when I leave high school, he gets 205 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:45.639 me a job on the Apollo Rocket. So I'm doing 206 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:50.759 some basic work working on modules and microscopes on the 207 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:54.039 Apollo Rocket, and then I go to the State University 208 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:57.320 of New York at stoney Brook, Long Island near Manhattan. 209 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:04.320 I'm into classical music, but there's a rock concert and 210 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:09.519 it involves the soft Machine and Jimmy Hendrix experience. So 211 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:12.720 my first kind of light opening into the rock scene 212 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:17.440 and the hippie scene and counterculture was Jimmy Hendrix. But 213 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.200 as I say, I went to the concert and for 214 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:25.960 whatever reason, I decided to drop out of college. And 215 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:29.879 I wasn't part of the counterculture. I wasn't aware of 216 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:32.639 hip is only like Jimmy Hendrix, but I wasn't aware 217 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:38.759 of the counterculture. And the guy, the young man that 218 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:43.120 I was like friends with in this IBM house, he 219 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:46.320 had gone to Vietnam and he came back from Vietnam 220 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:49.960 and he had a really good Corvette, you know, super 221 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:53.519 Corvett car, and he said, you want to meet Timothy Leary. 222 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:56.519 And I didn't know about drugs or Timothy Leary, I was, 223 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:00.080 So he takes me out to this house. Timothy there 224 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:05.240 is only living about twenty miles away in Millbrook, and 225 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:08.279 I go out there. We drive into this big estate 226 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:12.759 and there's this big wooden house with psychedelics painted all 227 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:16.399 over the wood the house, and there's all these people 228 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:20.159 freaked out. So they're just lying around quite free, and 229 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:23.720 we have a conversation with Timothy Leary, but of course 230 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:27.360 I don't know anything about Timothy Leary. So anyway, in 231 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:31.320 the local paper, it shows Leary and some friends throwing 232 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:35.919 flowers at the policeman at the police station because they 233 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:39.120 used to raid the house all the time, you know, 234 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:41.799 for like drug set, rock and roll, that kind of thing. 235 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:48.039 So anyway, I'm in Poughkeepsie. I was married, I left 236 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:51.879 my marriage, I left the university. I don't know anything 237 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.600 about UFO's spirituality or anything like that. And I get 238 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:59.200 this room and I just have a change of consciousness. 239 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:01.879 I don't know where it came from. It just like 240 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:08.039 took over. And I describe it as walking around the town. 241 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:11.679 And it was like a Gothic It was very Edgar 242 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:17.480 Allan Poe, very Gothic, very shadow world. I liked going 243 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:20.480 out in the evenings. I like going out before dawn 244 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:23.600 in the early morning. But I wasn't aware of magic 245 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:27.000 or anything like that. And things started to happen. I 246 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:29.480 started to meet people I would never have met if 247 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:36.320 I wasn't in that state. So doors were opening, So 248 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:37.039 will we. 249 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:39.679 On, Yes, we're going. There was some kind of hiccup. 250 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.879 Oh sorry, So doors were opening, and I end up 251 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.919 going to New Pole State across the river, across the 252 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:52.960 Hudson River, and I start mixing with hippies, and I 253 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:59.759 get into that scene, the hippie scene, and in New 254 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:04.519 about ten or so years later, David Wilcox goes to 255 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:11.840 New Pulse and the place I was at before Stoneybrook University, 256 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:17.120 Dan Burrish, and I think Project Hamlot interviewed Dan Burrish, 257 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:21.240 and he plays a major part in my life, not personally, 258 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:26.879 but what he revealed about the looking Glass, Yellow Cube, 259 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:30.200 the book to do with Oryan, and I get very 260 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.759 connected to Oryan and I'm given a cube in the vision, 261 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:36.480 so it links in with where I was at the 262 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:42.879 university with Dan Burrish and then later with David Wilcox. 263 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:46.519 I meet a friend in Oxford and he's the world 264 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:50.840 He's now the world Scholar on Youwungen synchronicity. So I've 265 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:56.120 got synchronicity coming in with David Wilcox and the UFO 266 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:59.960 at Stoneybrook with Dan Burrish. So it's like setting the sea, 267 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:06.119 if you will. So I'm living in Upos and I 268 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:11.200 come back to England and I go off to India 269 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.119 and I spend some time with Alama there in the Himalayas, 270 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:21.440 and I can kind of quick forward to nineteen seventy 271 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:25.079 six when I'm in Oxford and I'm living in the 272 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:31.960 house of Lawrence of Arabia, and above my window is 273 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:35.240 a blue plaque. And they put blue plaques on houses 274 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:38.960 where very famous people live, and that was Te Lawrence, 275 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:45.400 Lawrence of Arabia, and that was nineteen seventy six, seventy seven. Well, 276 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:50.920 in that year, a very famous euthologist, John E. Mack, 277 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:56.160 who wrote a book called Abduction from Harvard University. He 278 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:00.880 wrote a definitive book, a biography of T. E. Lawrence, 279 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:04.079 Lawrence of Arabia. The very year I was in that house, 280 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:08.480 and that's where I had my first UFO experience. 281 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:12.440 What was that like, your first encounter? 282 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:18.039 Yeah? Right, So I'm in a dark room. I'm looking 283 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:21.240 out of the window in the dark room, and I 284 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:24.839 see this light above some trees in the garden. I 285 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:28.240 have no knowledge of UFOs. I haven't seen any movies 286 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:31.039 on UFOs, so I'm really I don't even know it's 287 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:34.119 a UFO. It's just a light in the sky. So 288 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:37.839 I'm sitting there in a very deep state, and suddenly 289 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:44.759 the light penetrates through my left eye. There's no light, 290 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:47.160 there's no beam from the light, but I know the 291 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:51.960 light goes right into my left eye, into my brain, 292 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:58.440 right into my psyche, and I'm very surprised. I don't 293 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:01.920 know what it is. I'm very interesting did and it 294 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:04.880 moves to the right, so it's going from the left 295 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:09.119 eye to the right eye, and I think, you know, 296 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:12.720 I wonder what's going on. It's very deep experience. It's 297 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:17.319 slightly troubling, but I'm not really that frightened. And then 298 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:19.359 it goes back to the It was going to go 299 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:22.759 back to the left eye, and I knew something radical 300 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:24.720 was going to happen to me, so I kind of 301 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:28.880 like got up and drew the curtains, and I felt 302 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:31.599 like it was trying to move me into a hypnotic 303 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:36.400 state and maybe take over. And just like in my 304 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:41.200 four year old experience, although I was expanding into the room, 305 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:44.519 I stopped the process and put my head under the pillow. 306 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:49.400 And even when I've taken psychedelics, I've never let go 307 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:52.960 of my body. I've never what you call had an 308 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:56.279 authentic out of the body experience. I seem to shut 309 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:59.920 down the process. And that's always been the case when 310 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:04.279 whenever I've been confronted with I don't know what it is, 311 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:07.400 but I've had contact with a certain kind of power. 312 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:11.559 It's not it's an invisible power. I'll go into that. 313 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.839 It's an invisible power, and I haven't given it a name. 314 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:17.880 I don't know what it is. I have never given 315 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:21.079 it a name, and I link it to UFOs. But 316 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:25.359 this power, it's like coming into the room and you 317 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:28.599 don't want to connect with that power. You know it's there, 318 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:33.079 but you don't want to know what it is. You 319 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:41.480 don't want to because it really is power itself if 320 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:45.200 you want to know. It's like if you take all 321 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:49.640 the concepts of power, political power, power of the ego, 322 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:57.039 power of science, power of technology, even power of UFOs, 323 00:20:57.200 --> 00:20:59.240 if you take all of that and put it into 324 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:03.319 an essence and call it a power that has no name. 325 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:07.000 In the Gnostic tradition they call it the Unknown Father. 326 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:12.119 In Tibetan Buddhism, they call it the One Mind. In 327 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:14.640 Anage in Egypt, they call it Foth or the One. 328 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:19.359 It's the one. It's the emptiness. I've actually entered that now, 329 00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:23.240 I've actually been into the emptiness. But it's not the 330 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:27.119 power itself. It's a reflection of that power. It's not 331 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:30.480 the power beyond the body and the grave, it's not 332 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:34.359 the power beyond the planets, but it's the same power. 333 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:36.799 But it's like the moon reflecting the sun. 334 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:40.119 Wow, that's exactly what I was thinking as you're speaking, right. 335 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:43.119 Good, because I've got a very important information about the 336 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:48.119 moon recently revealed to me, and about the moon and 337 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:52.319 the Earth and the matrix. But anyway, so I'm in 338 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:55.640 the room, I have this experience. It penetrates into my 339 00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:00.920 interior life. It's scanning my memory, it's scanning my personality. 340 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:07.920 It's intrusive. It's a very profound experience. But the end 341 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:11.240 result is I don't feel it was bad. Although it 342 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:16.279 was very intrusive, I don't feel like it didn't It 343 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:20.039 wasn't meant to make me feel that I didn't want 344 00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:21.400 further experience. 345 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:23.559 Did it feel good? Was it euphoric at all? A 346 00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:26.000 lot of people talk about having those similar encounters or 347 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:32.319 even though they're strange, otherworldly, it's euphoric. You feel relaxed, 348 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:37.039 you feel like you've had soma or something, right like, 349 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:39.960 did you feel that at all? Was it intoxicating? 350 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:46.960 Well? Not the first experience wasn't, but I can. That's 351 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:49.880 seventy six, seventy seven. And as I said, links in 352 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:53.240 with Johnny Mack at Harvard. Well, you see, Timothy Leary 353 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:58.079 was at Harvard and Ramdas Richard Alp, but he was 354 00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:03.960 at at Harvard, and they both visited the lama that 355 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:07.440 I visited in the Himalayas near to Beth. 356 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:08.920 So you just lay right behind them. 357 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:15.039 Maybe, yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. So if I go 358 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:19.319 forward to nineteen eighty four in Oxford, and I call 359 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:22.319 it the Powerhouse, and I'll go into the power I 360 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:27.079 call it the Powerhouse. You go through the door, and 361 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:31.640 there are two black pillars. It was owned by a 362 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:35.799 college in Oxford and this lady that rented out rooms 363 00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:37.920 and I had a garret. I had a garret with 364 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:41.039 a big window at the top on the roof, and 365 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:43.839 I looked over the valley and the hills in Oxford, 366 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:47.480 and I call it my powerhouse. And there were two 367 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:51.279 black pillars. But I had no knowledge of occultism or magic. 368 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:53.920 I was getting into that a little later with a 369 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:56.799 lot of people in the Golden Dawn and Crowley, but 370 00:23:57.119 --> 00:23:59.200 I didn't think anything of it. You go through the 371 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:08.440 black pillars. So through my life, I have the spontaneous 372 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:11.000 feeling to open up the curtains or look out of 373 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:14.599 the window. It's just a spontaneous feeling, and I might 374 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:18.640 contact UFOs. So this is my first contact, my second 375 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.000 contact with UFOs. So I open up the curtains and 376 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.160 I just had this feeling to look to my left, 377 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:26.759 there's a light. Look to my right, there's a light 378 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:29.640 in a gray sky. So it's a gray sky, two lights. 379 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:36.599 I write this play about two UFOs in dialogue, and 380 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:42.079 it's as if the UFOs are thought forms having telepathic conversation. 381 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:47.039 I'm so freaked out by that manuscript. I literally throw 382 00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:49.440 it away. I don't even get into it. I'm so 383 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:53.079 freaked out by it. And I liken it to like, 384 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:55.680 if you're in the house with two spies from m 385 00:24:55.759 --> 00:25:00.000 I five or CIA and they're talking about very important information. 386 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:03.279 You don't want to know that now if they know 387 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:08.440 you've got it, it's important, powerful information. And I was 388 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:14.359 tuning into very powerful information. And maybe I was meant 389 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:17.079 to do it, but I didn't feel I felt it 390 00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:20.400 was overpowering, you know, like I was tapping into some 391 00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:25.680 power that freaked me out, just as it is as 392 00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:30.039 a child. The next thing that happens is that I'm 393 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.720 sitting and it's in the daytime. I'm looking over the 394 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:38.279 hills and I feel this energy coming over the hill. 395 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:42.079 I can't explain. It's a sunny day and it's just 396 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:45.440 this energy that I call power. That's why I call 397 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:51.680 it the powerhouse. It's this power that has no dimensions. 398 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:54.000 I can't tell you what it is. I just know 399 00:25:54.160 --> 00:25:58.720 it's this power and I don't know what's happening. I'm 400 00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:02.200 looking at the hill and it comes over the hill. 401 00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:04.640 I can feel it coming over the hill, getting closer. 402 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:07.599 It's coming across the countryside, and I knew that when 403 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:10.799 it touches that house, it would wipe me out. So 404 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:14.519 again I'm having that feeling of being taken over. But 405 00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:19.000 this power, I didn't see anything. I didn't have anything 406 00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:23.599 in my mind. But it's hard to explain. It's just 407 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:25.839 this invisible presence. 408 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:28.240 I mean, what do you feel like though? Is that 409 00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:30.480 the euphoria when it comes? Is it a good thing 410 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.279 or is it scary and good? I mean. 411 00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:38.839 No, it's like when I was a child. It's quite simple. 412 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:44.640 It's like you don't want to do it. Somebody says, 413 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:48.079 if somebody says, get on my motorbike, I'm going to 414 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:51.599 go one hundred miles an hour. No, no, I'm not 415 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:53.720 going to do that, you know. And it's kind of 416 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:56.359 like that. It was kind of a it was quite simple. 417 00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:58.480 It's just like a choice, you know, like when I 418 00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:02.119 was Oh, I didn't have to do it. So, no, 419 00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:05.519 you're offering this power, you're offering to take me on 420 00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:08.440 this trip out of my body. I'm sorry, but I 421 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.880 don't want to go your land, you know. And I've 422 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:17.559 had UFOs within ten feet of me, so I've had 423 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:22.359 an opportunity to connect, but. 424 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.960 You've never You've never had like the physical like get 425 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:28.400 on board or nothing like that, but you felt like 426 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:29.000 you could have. 427 00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:39.640 Right, let's put it this way. I think there's a 428 00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:44.240 reason why I don't want to be taken over. It's 429 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:48.279 to do with independence. Is to do with freedom. It's 430 00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:53.079 to do with maturing and getting integrity, getting my own foundation, 431 00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:57.799 getting my own strength. Now, throughout my life, I've made 432 00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:00.640 contact with a lot of famous people, a lot of 433 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:04.640 powerful people, gurus and pop stars and all that I've 434 00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:09.079 made contact with. I've had a chance to be published 435 00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:12.640 by Oxford University press at the highest level. I've never 436 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:16.400 accepted any of that. I was I could have been 437 00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:20.000 in the number one video on the top level television 438 00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:24.319 in this famous like pop artist. Right this woman wanted 439 00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:28.359 me to be her mat man in her video. I 440 00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:33.000 didn't do it. So there's some level of power. There's 441 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.799 some level of power that's not only invisible from another planet, 442 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.680 from another dimension, but there's power in the world. It's invisible. 443 00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.359 You know. You can think of politicians, and you can 444 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:50.319 think of very rich people, very the illuminaty, the movie Jakers, 445 00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:53.440 my Friends, the world scholar, he goes around all around 446 00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:56.799 the world. He's you know there, it's like a think tank. 447 00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:59.960 I mean it's on a very high level. But you see, 448 00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:01.839 I don't want that. 449 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.400 What about for good though? Using it for good? We 450 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.400 mentioned the Illuminati. I mean they just released a video 451 00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:13.000 like two days ago of one of the biggest pop 452 00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:15.359 stars in the world right now, a guy called the Weekend. 453 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:20.720 Somebody was filming his set and on the screen behind 454 00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:24.119 him it flashed the word Satan really fast and they 455 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:26.240 had to record it and they freeze framed it, and 456 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:30.920 so it's like they are getting power. There's a power 457 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:33.279 out there. You can use it to tap into it 458 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:36.359 for good or for bad, but you have to kind 459 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.920 of pay homage to a god or a thoath or 460 00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:42.920 look at you know, we look at the people who've 461 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:44.920 kind of went before us, so we're talking about Crowley 462 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.359 or these type of people. But I think it could 463 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:50.079 be definitely used for bad. I think that's the most 464 00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:52.920 what we see going on the Illuminati and things like that, 465 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.920 seats of power. But I think it could be used 466 00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:58.480 for good too, like if we follow that intuition, that 467 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:02.400 spiritual guidess. Because and I linked that to this because 468 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.119 a lot of what you're talking about sounds like the 469 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:12.440 Pranayama spirit that's just permeating through all life, the Kundalini, 470 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:16.599 the Holy Spirit. It sounds very much like this. In 471 00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:19.720 these encounters that people have had with the awakening of 472 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.599 the Kundalini. The baptism of the Holy Spirit feels like 473 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.559 this intense fire. There's a fear there, but it's a 474 00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:30.440 good It looks over their life, knows everything about you, 475 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:33.640 loves you, it's okay. It cleans out all the wrong 476 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.160 and and sets you on that life journey. And it 477 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.400 sounds very similar to That's why I have to bring 478 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.200 this up with the UFO experiences, because if we're to 479 00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:46.440 me the UFOs are the angels of the Holy books, 480 00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:49.680 that's just the angels of the creators. What would you 481 00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:50.119 say to that. 482 00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:57.599 Yeah, well, in Yungian, in Yungian psychology, you know, we 483 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:02.119 have a body, there's a spirit, and there's the psyche 484 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.480 right where we dream and have visions and out of 485 00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:09.480 the body and psychedelic. It's all of that. Now, that's 486 00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:13.519 not necessarily the dimensions. You know, the spirits are dimension, 487 00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:18.279 the bodies are dimension. But the psyche what they call maya, 488 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:23.519 the illusory body. They say it can be like a 489 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.880 size of a sesame seed, just a seed, or it 490 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.519 can expand to fill the universe, like the Atma and 491 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:34.119 the and Brahman and the Atma. So in a sense, 492 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:41.599 the psyche is in the one sense nothing and everything. Right. 493 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:50.359 So if in the psyche you meet entities, right, you 494 00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:54.319 meet entities. Now, they could be UFO entities, they can 495 00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:57.480 be angelic, they can be Satanic. And I've met quite 496 00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:01.480 a priety. I've met hundreds of entities. I've never spoken 497 00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:04.640 to them or anything like that. So I'm in this powerhouse. 498 00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.519 I wake up in the middle of the night. I'm 499 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:12.039 looking at my body and above my body is a 500 00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:19.599 figure lying above my body, and it's the devil. Right, 501 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:28.680 so it's Satan. Now in the in Steiner Rudolph Steiner Anthroposophy, 502 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.920 he talks about the Guardian of the Threshold. I see 503 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:35.079 it as the Kundalini, right, So it's the awakening of 504 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:39.240 the Kundalini. But it's Satanic. It has a dark force. 505 00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:42.920 So they call that Karli, the black goddess Carli. But 506 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:47.039 it's lying above my body, and I think it's a 507 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:50.960 beautiful looking being, right, it's a beautiful looking being. And 508 00:32:54.599 --> 00:33:00.119 so if it then I have another experience. I'm I'm 509 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.400 lying in bed. I'm not awake. I'm aware of myself 510 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:09.000 as a fetus. I'm lying in the fetal position, and 511 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:13.680 a hole appears in the top of my head, and 512 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.400 my perception goes out of the hole at the top 513 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.240 of my head and I see it. I see like 514 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:23.720 a sea of infinity, like blue and white waves going 515 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:28.400 off into infinity. So I see that as the reptile. 516 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:33.279 In fact, lizards and reptiles have a third eye. You 517 00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:36.559 can't see it's atrophid. It's there, it's there in the 518 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:40.880 third Eye. So in the ancient world, everybody worshiped the dragon, 519 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:45.599 and that symbolizes the third Eye, but it also symbolizes Draco, 520 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:51.279 the pole star in Draco, because that's your guide start. 521 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.880 So when you travel by sea in the ancient world, 522 00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:59.279 everybody worship the dragon because that was your guide in 523 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.440 the heaven. So when you look you travel by sea 524 00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:07.720 or you travel, you're always looking for the pollstar in Draco. Now, 525 00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:14.480 in the UFO community, you know, the Rectilians have got 526 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:20.079 a bad press, But I've never had that particular point 527 00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:25.159 of view. Now. The point is that when I had 528 00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:29.079 my first awakening in Poughkeepsie and I dropped out of college, 529 00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:32.239 and I felt I was in this different kind of 530 00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:38.880 dimension in the city, different dimension that there was a 531 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:42.599 terrible aspect to that. It was a very very terrible aspect, 532 00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:46.199 but as you say, it was also euphoric. It was 533 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.079 like double edged. It was like good and evil, it 534 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:54.079 was like ying and yang. So there was like a 535 00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:57.199 terrible thing and yet at the same time it could 536 00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:04.360 switch to something really you forhic, really ecstatic. So I've 537 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:10.639 always had that polarity in my set south where you know, 538 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:17.239 I don't take sides. I don't like to take sides 539 00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:20.199 in politics. I don't like to take sides in the 540 00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:25.239 alien agenda, the conspiracy theory. You know. I like things 541 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:27.840 to happen to me good or bad. I take the 542 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.239 rough and the smooth. I don't kind of like shy 543 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:35.519 away from anything. I've gone very deep into things in myself, 544 00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:41.800 and I feel that's the fabric of the psyche. That's like, 545 00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:47.079 these entities are really Maya. And I'm afraid that a 546 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.840 lot of what people think about the UFO and entities 547 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:56.840 is really you might say thought forms and there they're 548 00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:02.159 both revealing something to you, and yet they're not to 549 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:07.480 be taken seriously. They're not the reality that they're not. 550 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:13.760 They're not really to be confused with spirituality. Spirituality is 551 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:19.320 one thing that the spirit and nirvana and whatever, and 552 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:24.440 and I think that people are taking sides like reptilians 553 00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:30.159 versus ordin that kind of thing. But I treat the angelic. 554 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:35.639 I treat that kind of thing as entities who are 555 00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:39.119 who are revealing. They're bringing something to you, to reveal 556 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:42.440 something to you, and you've got to weigh things up. 557 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:45.599 You've got a kind of like, wait, weigh the good 558 00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:48.480 and the evil. You've got to like, you know, like 559 00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:50.280 the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. 560 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:51.760 You've got to kind And. 561 00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:54.719 It says the tree is to be desired to make 562 00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.679 you wise, and the serpent is your guide. In the 563 00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:03.199 Gnostic tradition, the open is your God. If you look 564 00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.840 at the dow. If you look at the dow, which 565 00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:09.519 is the way, that is the dragon path. That is 566 00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.880 actually called the dragon path because it's Draco. It's your 567 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:16.519 garden loads star, it's your load star. And in England 568 00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:22.480 we call them lay lines. Okay, I lived on the 569 00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:26.400 lay line. When I had my first UFO experience in Oxford, 570 00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:30.559 it was on the lay line. It was on a 571 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:31.360 dragon path. 572 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.559 So let me ask you this. When it talks when 573 00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:42.239 you're talking about being contacted by the UFOs, are you know, 574 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:44.360 getting that intuition to go look out the window and 575 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.280 there they are. I've had I've had very similar encounters 576 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.519 looking look up to the sky, you acknowledge that they're there. 577 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.800 They kind of like wave at you, and then they're gone. 578 00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:57.079 And then there's a download, there's a knowing, there's an intrigue, 579 00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.880 there's an r and I think that promotes spirituality for me. 580 00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:03.079 I talked about it a little bit on carry show 581 00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:08.559 on Project Camelot, where creativity like that it lights something 582 00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:11.719 within you and even the God thing for me, Like 583 00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.559 there's some people who the existence of aliens or our 584 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:18.039 creators or these entities that are out there that are 585 00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:21.280 good watching over us or exist on other planes of existence. 586 00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.519 To them, it kind of destroys their faith in God. 587 00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.599 But for me, it makes it more real. It makes 588 00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.639 it tangible that this isn't just a theory. These aren't 589 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:34.559 you know, these stories that were passed down, and God 590 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.920 isn't so far away that we can't interact with that realm. 591 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.760 But they are watching over us there in the outer space. 592 00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:43.079 They can come in and out of our dimension. There's 593 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.480 so many layers to it, and so it builds my 594 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:49.840 intrigue and almost gives credence to the beliefs that I 595 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.000 have about spirituality, about God, about the ancient text, about 596 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:55.320 the Bible, those type of things. It all types kind 597 00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:58.400 of fits in there. But so when it comes to 598 00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.320 being contacted, and you said you've had open contact for 599 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.639 a long time, that's one thing that comes with these 600 00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:08.840 experiences as open contact, And you mentioned being contacted, but 601 00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.079 have you done the work on the other side, where 602 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.119 you go out in what was there's a term called 603 00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:20.320 summoning UFOs. Have you ever went out and did a ritual, 604 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:22.559 raise your hands, did a prayer, whatever the case is 605 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:25.239 in contacted them and they have appeared to you. 606 00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:30.599 Yeah. Well, as I say that, my first nineteen seventy 607 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:34.559 six in Oxford. Then I had my second, which was 608 00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:38.360 nineteen eighty four. And if I go forward to say 609 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:42.840 ninety four, I'm living in the north of England, in Lancaster, 610 00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:45.840 and I decided to go out. It's freezing cold in 611 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:50.320 the winter. I go out and the constellation that's closest 612 00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:54.280 to Britain that dominates the sky is a Ryan, right, 613 00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:57.159 so I went out. I didn't know anything about Ryan 614 00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.840 at that time. So I look up into the sky 615 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.239 and there's a Ryan. And just in the corner of 616 00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:04.920 my eye, I see something near the roof of the house. 617 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:10.039 I look up and there's a red orb the size 618 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:13.159 of a basketball. So it's a red orb. It's about 619 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:17.960 ten feet away and it's like a microphone like mesh, 620 00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:21.440 you know, like a like mesh kind of thing, and 621 00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:25.199 it's just hovering there and it moves very slowly. Second 622 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:29.760 by second about fifteen feet and it just disappears. And 623 00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:39.320 I moved from there for maybe a year. Later, I 624 00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:41.960 moved back to Oxford for a short time to stay 625 00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:47.400 with my nephew. He's just finished university in artificial intelligence, 626 00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.840 so he's got a degree in artificial intelligence. He's got 627 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:54.360 this place in Oxford. I spend some time there with him, 628 00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.280 and I decide to go out on the porch. So 629 00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:59.280 I go out on the porch and there's this red 630 00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:06.360 orb again, this sphere right in front of me, and 631 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.400 it's just hovering there. That's two hundred miles away from 632 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:15.159 the former one. And then I realize I'm being monitored, right, 633 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:18.960 So that's and that's connected to me looking at Orion 634 00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.320 as well. I was actually spent time in the in 635 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:27.519 a room just looking at Orion before that happened, so 636 00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:32.400 that would be that would be my fourth. Then then 637 00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:36.760 I moved down south near London where I'm living now, 638 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:42.639 and I decided to do a UFO watch from my window. 639 00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.760 So I opened my window and the Ryan's up in 640 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.719 the sky just above me. And what happened in the daytime, 641 00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:54.599 my friend, my friend who was is a professor of 642 00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:58.440 psychoanalysis and he's, as I said, world scholar on young 643 00:41:58.519 --> 00:41:59.360 and synchronicity. 644 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:02.239 He used. 645 00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:05.400 He went to Glastonbury, which is very a cult center 646 00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:09.760 where the Arthorian legend is. When he was at Oxford University, 647 00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:12.400 took a couple of years out and he got into 648 00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:19.440 Crowley and he had the book Israel regard as Encyclopedia 649 00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:22.199 of the Symbols of the Golden Dawn, that kind of thing. 650 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.400 So I looked into the book. Oh you know, I 651 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:28.199 looked into the book and I thought, well, I look 652 00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:31.440 at a pentagram. I just thought i'd look at a pentagram, 653 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:34.360 and I thought, well, I think i'd draw the pentagram 654 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:38.119 outside the window. But when I had the thought to 655 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:41.639 draw the pentagram outside the window, I've never practiced anything 656 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:45.280 magical before. And I don't know why I did that. 657 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:48.239 I literally don't. But when I get the feeling to 658 00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:50.480 do something like that, I just do it. So I 659 00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:54.360 go outside and I drew this pentagram on the floor 660 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:57.199 in impastor. I think it was like a purple color. 661 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:03.440 So nine o'clock at night, I'm standing there and just 662 00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.760 above me by the roof, only about twenty feet away, 663 00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:13.119 these five UFOs come over in pentagram formation and they're 664 00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.679 like very slow. They're like hovering just above my head, 665 00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:22.000 and they're like five discs, and they were they they're 666 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.159 the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. There were golden 667 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:31.119 golden orange, so they were like discs that were golden orange, 668 00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:34.480 and they seemed to be hovering just above my head. 669 00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.960 They didn't have any dimension, so it just like a 670 00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:42.119 kind of like pure light, and they seemed to be spinning, 671 00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:46.280 and they just went in front of me and over 672 00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:52.079 the pine trees and by the military base. So the 673 00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:55.440 military base plays an important part in my life. I 674 00:43:55.599 --> 00:44:02.320 had I was in my imports imports with New Hampshire 675 00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:07.639 that was a military base to do with nuclear nuclear warheads. 676 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:12.199 And now I'm near a military base here and the 677 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.679 UFOs disappear near there, and it's on a hill, so 678 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:21.320 this is on a hill. So I move into the 679 00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:24.440 place I am Now, I move from there to here, 680 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:33.360 and I'm sitting eleven o'clock at night, and five UFOs 681 00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:37.920 appear near the castle. Because when I'm looking out now, 682 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.519 I can see the castle in my window, and these 683 00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:44.760 five UFOs appear in a vertical formation. They one, two, three, 684 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:47.800 four five. I look at them through by binoculars, and 685 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:50.679 they look fairly solid, greeny kind of red, and then 686 00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.599 they disappear one by one. And then this silver cylinder appears, 687 00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:58.239 its big silver cylinder. And I look at the silver 688 00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.719 cylinder and they could have gone into the silver cylinder 689 00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:04.679 as a mother ship, but I don't know. And then 690 00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.320 I watch it go down towards the ground. It goes 691 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:12.159 down towards the ground, and it disappears where the military bases. 692 00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.480 It seems to go into the ground where the military base, 693 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:19.000 this silver cylinder. That was my last experience in two 694 00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:27.960 thousand and eight. So you know, you've got to weigh 695 00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:34.119 these things up. You've got to like take all that aboard. Yeah, 696 00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:37.119 and you know, why are they doing? You know, you 697 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:41.719 think of what was the point of that? You know, 698 00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:48.360 like I know about UFOs. Why wasn't something more revealed? 699 00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:50.719 If you know what I mean? You know why? Why? 700 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:53.920 That's why? Because all of the encounters you've had, You've 701 00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:56.440 seemed like you've had a lot. I've had a decent 702 00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:58.639 amount as well. That changed my life. I mean, I'm 703 00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.880 doing this show, I'm suing this work now because of 704 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:06.039 these encounters. And you would think that you would have 705 00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:10.559 more detail you would know the agenda, you would know 706 00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:14.440 the names. That's why I always always question a lot 707 00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.679 of the people who go on shows and they claim 708 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.559 to have it all figured out, like the information is 709 00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.480 still slippery there. Like, I don't think like people like 710 00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:25.679 you're talking about the war between the Draconians and the 711 00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:29.199 Palladians and the you know, Orian Council of Light are 712 00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.519 here to do this. People seem to have a lot 713 00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:35.199 of info in for as much encounters that You've had 714 00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:38.760 and I've had, I would feel like I could tell that, 715 00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:41.679 you know, you're telling the truth. Some of these people, 716 00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.320 I don't. I think there's a lot of people who 717 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.320 are just kind of making it up and they're selling 718 00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:49.159 books and they're you know, they have an agenda there, 719 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.599 and it's hard to trust them. Do you feel like 720 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:56.119 that at all? Too? Without being without being without calling 721 00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:59.239 names or trying to sound harsh, because maybe they do, 722 00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:03.599 maybe they have had that kind of contact, But as 723 00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:08.280 much contact as I've had, I don't. I can't just 724 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:09.800 take it and run with it, you know. 725 00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:16.880 Well, you know, in university, I studied philosophy and comparative religion, 726 00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:22.519 and I spent time in a Christian monastery. I met 727 00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:27.000 Lama's I met Christiana Murty was quite a famous guru. 728 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:32.079 I had very important experiences with him on a kind 729 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:37.679 of transcendental level, etc. Now, the point is that you know, 730 00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:42.800 where's the ground? The thing I ask in all of 731 00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.880 this kind of phenomenon, where is the ground is? You know, 732 00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:51.199 like you said, the Bible, is it Buddhism. But you see, 733 00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:56.760 what we call religion is like a hijack. I see, 734 00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:03.159 religion is a hijack of in Jesus, for example, Buddha 735 00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:07.559 and Jesus, nobody knows the background. They appeared on the scene. 736 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.000 They came out of nowhere on the world scene, on 737 00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:16.079 the world stage. Jesus at thirty the Buddha at thirty six. Right, 738 00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:19.639 they just appear out of nowhere. And they have a 739 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:23.599 small following of family friends. It's interesting, both of them 740 00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:28.800 had family friends and a few intimates. Right, So that 741 00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.440 was their first little circle with family friends. So they 742 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:36.599 must have been in the vicinity of their home. Now, 743 00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:40.880 it's interesting. There's a very famous yogi. The most famous 744 00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:45.679 yogi of Tibetan Buddhism is Miller Reaper. And Miller Reaper 745 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:52.039 his father died and the uncle took over the property 746 00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:55.920 and they just swindled the mother and the son out 747 00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.440 of the property. So the mother sent him away to 748 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:03.679 be trained as a as a magician. And he was 749 00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:08.599 trained as a magician, and he had the power to 750 00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:14.159 bring hailstones. He could create hailstones. He and he hailed, 751 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.599 he hailed the house where his uncle was living, and 752 00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:25.039 it just absolutely smashed it to pieces. I remember reading 753 00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:28.679 that because at that very moment the hail came down 754 00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:34.679 in the middle of the summer outside. Really it was wow, man, 755 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.960 it just came right down. Yeah, I would think so 756 00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:42.360 Miller Reaper, what he did was he gave up being 757 00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:47.760 a magician. He came back to his hometown, he took 758 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:52.360 up residents in a cave, and then he became enlightened. 759 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:55.760 He became like he became part of a Buddha, you know, 760 00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:58.480 part of the not the buddher, but he took on 761 00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:01.800 the characteristics of the buddh. So I'm saying there's a 762 00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:09.360 connection between you know, being grounded where your home is. 763 00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:13.719 It's quite literal, you know, it's quite literal. You're not 764 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:17.039 with some like Christian Murty for example, and a lot 765 00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:20.480 of these gurus, they create a set live in the 766 00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:26.039 middle of nowhere, disconnected from everything, and live in this 767 00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:29.519 fantasy world. It is a fantasy world. 768 00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.960 Yeah, it has no tangible power. It definitely is. It's 769 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:34.480 just theory grounded. 770 00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:37.920 It's not grounded in knowledge. It's not grounded in books, 771 00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:42.599 is not grounded in study. Now all my experiences are 772 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:49.039 grounded in study. I studied everything going back to ancient Egypt, 773 00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.719 and I believe I've discovered a kind of Egyptian template. 774 00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:58.760 And it took twelve years, between two thousand and eleven 775 00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:06.440 to two thousand and three to twenty fourteen, I published 776 00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:10.920 nine books. I've published nine books, and they contained all 777 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:14.400 the knowledge I gained out of my life on this planet. 778 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:19.519 And I closed the book. So I no longer read books. 779 00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:23.159 I no longer take in information. I've closed the book. 780 00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:26.880 And now I'm learning to live. I'm learning to like live, 781 00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:30.360 if you know what I mean. I lived, I lived 782 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:34.280 in the medium of knowledge. Now now I'm not saying 783 00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.880 I'm trying to be wise, but I'm learning to be wise. 784 00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:42.800 Yeah, to what's going on, Well, I think I'll kind 785 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:46.800 of look at it. I'm very similar situation where I 786 00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:49.159 don't I don't do much reading either, like people send 787 00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:52.079 me all types of videos and they want I've had 788 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.719 some some of Jordan Max's some of Jordan Maxwell's people 789 00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:59.280 offer to send me extra and of hord drives like 790 00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:02.960 for Terraby to videos and documentaries and information. I don't 791 00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.679 want it, like I'm I'm I'm kind of like you. 792 00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:08.280 As far as like trying to and this is where 793 00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:12.000 I put it, asking for wisdom on how to share 794 00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:14.960 the knowledge that we've already studied. How can we bring 795 00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:18.920 this into practical experience for ourselves and for people to 796 00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:21.599 better the world around us. And so as far as 797 00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:25.239 like digging and reading and studying and researches. Now, I'm 798 00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:28.880 all for experience. I love having a spiritual encounter. But 799 00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:31.440 as far as like just trying to dig to get 800 00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:33.599 to the bottom of it, I've seen so much as 801 00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:36.039 it is, So it's like asking for the wisdom on 802 00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:39.159 how to share the knowledge. Is that does that ring true? 803 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:47.280 Well? Yeah, I'll go into that now. Right, the world 804 00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.480 around us, what we call society, which I've never been 805 00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:53.239 a part of, I've never played the game. I've never 806 00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:58.159 played the game. I've never played the mind game, right 807 00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:03.159 of politicians, of people that run institutions, all of that 808 00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:09.159 kind of stuff. You know, we're immersed in language, aren't we. 809 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:15.440 Consciousness is like language knowledge language. We're language, we're cultural entities, 810 00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:19.400 we're human, we're selves. We're a self that's come into 811 00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:23.679 a body. And what I call consciousness is like a toolkit. 812 00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:28.199 It's a toolkit. There's a reason why we had this toolkit, 813 00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:33.119 and you won't find that reason in a book, because 814 00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:38.119 the book itself is the tool is the toolkit. So 815 00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:41.960 everyone's got their language. In the family, you've got your 816 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:46.000 secret language. In the politics, you've got your subrowsa behind 817 00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:49.159 closed doors, you've got the secret language in the Masons. 818 00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:53.400 Everybody's got their secret language. Right, So the UFO, they've 819 00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:57.679 all got their little pockets of secret language. Right. What 820 00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:02.599 is the language? What? What is this language of the 821 00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:08.000 human being? Now see what I mean, we're moving outside 822 00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:12.000 of what we think language is to what is language? 823 00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:16.360 What are we supposed to know? We're here? You're here 824 00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:21.000 for what one hundred years? Now? We've basically lived to 825 00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.719 one hundred years? What are we here for seven billion people? 826 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:27.360 What on earth are we doing here to go to 827 00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:31.519 the moon, to build an AI computer, to paint the 828 00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:35.199 Sistine Chapel? To build the pyramids. No, we're not here. 829 00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:38.840 I don't think we're here for that. That's a symbol 830 00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:42.039 of what we're here for. But what are we really 831 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:48.599 here for? That's the wrapping. What's inside the wrapping, That's 832 00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:50.719 what I'm trying to discover. That's what I'm trying to 833 00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:51.320 open up. 834 00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:53.599 Now, do you do you feel like this is some 835 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:59.199 type of testing ground? What are you seeing of right 836 00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:02.360 and wrong and trying to figure things out? And almost 837 00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:05.119 like you know, the life of the life you live 838 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.480 determines the place that you spind eternity if you want 839 00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:08.920 to call it that. 840 00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:13.119 Well, you see, you can talk about the planetary faces 841 00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:17.320 and calma and character and type. So we're all types. 842 00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:20.519 I'm an artist, I'm a poet, I'm a philosopher. I 843 00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:26.559 can be all those types. Right, that's the entity, Reptilians 844 00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:32.320 of types, Nordica type, all these types. They all embody, 845 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:35.840 language and knowledge, don't they. They're all sharing. They want 846 00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:38.760 you to buy into that knowledge, buy into this knowledge, 847 00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:43.360 by this brand, by this this right. And I'm saying 848 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:52.199 that people have their concept of a secret language. People 849 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:57.159 want to think they've got some real, you know, real language. 850 00:55:57.639 --> 00:55:59.920 They mean what they say they're telling the truth. They 851 00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.760 really mean what they say. But if you don't have 852 00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:07.480 the truth, how can you speak the truth? What is 853 00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:12.639 the truth? No, so my question is I'm seventy three. 854 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:20.000 The other day my chest right question mark is at 855 00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:24.719 my age now wisdom is true? If wisdom is truth, 856 00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:28.280 what is that truth? And who's going to reveal it? 857 00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:34.320 Cem entity or is there a Buddha in Jesus? You see? 858 00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:37.239 Who were Buddha? Where did they come from? What did 859 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:40.880 they discover in their cave, in their temple, in their whatever? 860 00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:44.559 And why did they come on alone? Why were they 861 00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:47.639 alone when they came on the world stage. You know, 862 00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:51.760 they appear to be alone, and yet immediately the family's 863 00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:54.480 there and the few people are there. It's very interesting 864 00:56:54.639 --> 00:57:00.840 kind of conundrum because they're coming. They're coming out of nowhere, 865 00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:05.519 which means something. I think it like Nirvana. You know, 866 00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:09.920 Nirvana is supposed to be empty, and yet you have 867 00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:12.880 a diamond body. You have a diamond body, you have 868 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:17.440 a body of wisdom, the darma kayah, and yet it's 869 00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:23.280 supposed to be empty. And the Tibetan Buddhists say, nirvana 870 00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:26.840 isn't the end. You don't just get enlightened and sit 871 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:30.840 in no man's land. That's only the beginning. You're you're 872 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:34.880 a free individual. You've dropped your karma, you drop your conditioning, 873 00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:39.079 you drop your whatever, and now you can be a 874 00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:42.880 free human being and travel the dimensions. That's what they say, 875 00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:46.440 whereas a lot of Buddhists say, no, you get you 876 00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:49.880 know Zen Buddhism, you get so tory and that's the 877 00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:53.119 end of the journey. You've finished. But in Tibetan Buddhies 878 00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:56.800 and you're only beginning with your body of wisdom. It's 879 00:57:56.840 --> 00:57:58.920 not like you're at the end and you pack everything in. 880 00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:06.000 You're only beginning the journey, which is eternity. So we've 881 00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:11.840 got this paradox between infinity. We live in an infinite universe, 882 00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:17.320 and yet we've got this concept of eternity, the circle, 883 00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:21.880 the One, the unknown God, the invisible God, and that 884 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:26.639 power that I talked about. I did experience that I've had. 885 00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:29.039 I've experienced that. I wrote it in my book The 886 00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:33.920 One Mind three Months of being in satory emptiness Nirvana. 887 00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:35.239 I have experience. 888 00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:39.199 After you've experienced that, you walk around with the heightened 889 00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:43.559 sense of awareness. Right for some times, the things you see, 890 00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:44.920 like you said, you felt like you was in a 891 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:47.679 dream state, like that things were different. You looked at things, 892 00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:51.639 they seem different in your consciousness was shifted. I've known 893 00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:55.079 people who they would vibrate their bodies, would they would 894 00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:57.360 get I think what they call in in the Hindu 895 00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.360 tradition kreas where their body they would get these of 896 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.840 energy throughout the day in their body. I knew guys 897 00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:09.360 in mid conversation which starts shaking, you know from an 898 00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:12.079 encounter that they had a week ago, and they're still 899 00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:16.159 vibrating off of that frequency from that experience. 900 00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:19.480 Yeah, well that would be one of the seven chakras. 901 00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:21.320 You see. But if you go out through the hole 902 00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:24.320 in your head, you go out, then you're in this emptiness. 903 00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:27.320 I mean, I looked how when I had that experience 904 00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:30.679 of the thousand pedaled lotus, my perception what they call 905 00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:35.119 consciousness transference in the Tibetan in the secret doctrine of 906 00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:38.920 the Tibetans. And I looked, how so I did see 907 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:42.519 the infinity. I did see something, and I came back in. 908 00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:47.199 But where I am now, where I'm sitting in this 909 00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:51.760 room now, I had in two thy fifteen, I had 910 00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:55.119 a three month experience, and I used to I kept 911 00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:59.639 a journal every day, a diary every day. And although 912 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:02.119 the world around me was the same, you know, like 913 01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:05.280 just sitting in this room looking outside at the castle, 914 01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:09.760 it wasn't the same world. But it wasn't the gothic world. 915 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:13.480 It wasn't the shadow world. You know, it wasn't like 916 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:20.440 the magical world. It was it was like purity. It 917 01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:24.599 was like a pure space, so that when I when 918 01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:26.960 I look at the room now and the outside it's 919 01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:29.920 lit up, you know, the light and the sky is 920 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:34.119 all lit up, so you have light and space. But 921 01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:39.760 this but being in Satori Nirvana, it's not that space. 922 01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:44.840 It's not time and space. It's around it. It's like 923 01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:50.920 it's like there's a different dimension of space that isn't 924 01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:55.679 bound to time and space and it and it doesn't 925 01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:58.639 have a limit, so it's not like limited by the 926 01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:05.800 trees or the sky or anything material. And that's that 927 01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:08.840 That would be the same as I experienced before what 928 01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:13.000 I called the power. You know, so before I wasn't 929 01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:17.000 ready for the power, but it's given it me in 930 01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:21.639 small doses. It's not the power like Buddha was connected 931 01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:22.639 to the power. 932 01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:27.840 It's an expression of that power. Would you say that, Yeah, it's. 933 01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:30.800 Not a symbol, it's not in my psyche, it's not 934 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:31.079 in my. 935 01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:34.639 It's a lesser it's a lesser form like the Chicaina 936 01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:38.360 with the Hebrews were called the chicaino glory. A tangible presence, 937 01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:42.559 but not the presence itself, almost just like beholding a 938 01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:45.920 piece of it. Like you said, talking about the reflection 939 01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:48.320 of the moon and seeing that image, which is the 940 01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:51.519 light of the sun expressed through the moon, and we 941 01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:53.280 get we get that light and you walk with that 942 01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:55.320 because many people say that if you was to go 943 01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:59.000 directly to the supreme power, that you would surely die. 944 01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:00.639 I mean, we look at the art at a covenant 945 01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:04.440 which carried the presence of God, and if anybody touched 946 01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:07.880 it who wasn't worthy, they would instantly die. I mean. 947 01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:12.239 And even having that strong encounter from an expression of 948 01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:14.320 the source was so profound. 949 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:23.679 There's more, right, Yeah, So you know the concept of 950 01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:27.159 the One in the Egyptian model, the concepts of the 951 01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:30.320 One folth he's not in the universe. He's the grand 952 01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:33.480 architect of the Masons. He's the Grand Architect, right, So 953 01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:37.800 he doesn't really exist as we call it in this universe. 954 01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:42.719 He's not in existence and it's just a principle called 955 01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:45.400 the one. But you could say the one is nirvana, 956 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:49.719 it's the one mind. It's empty, it's nothing, because when 957 01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:54.119 you're approaching it through knowledge or cultural science, it really 958 01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:57.440 is nothing. So what's what's beg before the Big Bang? 959 01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:04.079 Or nothing? But it's not nothing. Yeah, it's not nothing 960 01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:09.199 compared to something. It's not the corollary of something. The 961 01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:12.920 scientists want something else, don't they. They want to kind 962 01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:16.159 of like the mind of God, you know, the god gene, 963 01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:20.480 what they call the god gene particle. Yeah, but you see, 964 01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.559 Navana isn't that kind of nothing? It's not that it's 965 01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:28.480 here right now. The nothing is actually here right now. 966 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.079 I'm talking to you, and I'm very much in my 967 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:35.280 consciousness using language, but I'm also aware of that of 968 01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:36.400 the emptiness. 969 01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:41.199 I think that's where meditation comes in. I think that's 970 01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:43.400 where meditation comes in, that we are able to kind 971 01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:45.920 of shut everything down and kind of go back to 972 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:48.360 that essence, get a glimpse of it, to kind of 973 01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:50.119 take it with us, to kind of remind us who 974 01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:52.920 we are, where we came from. One thing, I wanted 975 01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:55.480 to talk to you about. Is the importance I think 976 01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:59.320 of stargazing. You said that when you were having some 977 01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:04.639 encounter stargazing, gazing into Orion, and then things would happen. 978 01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:08.519 People ask me, you know, how do I have more synchronicities? 979 01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:10.320 How do I get on the spiritual path? 980 01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:11.480 What do I do? 981 01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:15.159 The three things I tell them is begin reading literature, 982 01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:18.480 reading books that are about people who have had encounters 983 01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:22.119 like that or some of the information that's come before us. 984 01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:25.840 I say, read, spend time in meditation and in prayer 985 01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:28.480 to kind of reflect on what you're reading and touch 986 01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:30.760 the divine, kind of get with that source of energy. 987 01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:36.320 And stargazing, I always tell them stargazing. For me, that's 988 01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:39.360 just like that communication. I've spent hours stargazing, and like you, 989 01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:45.440 I've gazed into Orion and seen starships and seen entities 990 01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:48.320 coming in and out of Orion, or just being focused 991 01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:51.320 and then out of the peripheral other beings will come 992 01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:53.800 into play and begin to see all of this stuff. 993 01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.559 Just by simply quieting down and gazing at the stars. 994 01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:07.320 There's something to that. Are you there, David, or did 995 01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:10.960 you lock up? You might have locked up? Okay, okay, 996 01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:17.199 so what would you say is the power of stargazing? 997 01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:20.440 Are we making connection when we do that? I mean 998 01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:23.840 that with the entities who dwell in that star system. 999 01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:26.719 I mean what's going on when we gaze into Orion 1000 01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:30.599 or we gaze into you know what I'm saying, the ampliades, 1001 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:33.639 and we feel energy, we feel downloads. I feel I've 1002 01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:35.880 been I've gazed so intently before. I felt like I 1003 01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:38.079 was being sucked out of my body in it. I 1004 01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:40.360 had to catch myself, you know, and it scared me, 1005 01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:40.920 it really did. 1006 01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:44.920 Yeah, I've had that experience looking. You know that there's 1007 01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:47.599 a meadow in Oxford Denies to go to this big 1008 01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:50.679 meadow and just lie down, and I felt I'd be 1009 01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:53.280 taken out of my body, which again you know, I've 1010 01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:57.599 not happened. It's not happened to me. I think it's 1011 01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:01.960 a matter of orientation, you know, if you're a spiritual 1012 01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:08.000 person that they call that that in Gerd Jeff's term, 1013 01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:10.800 the guy called Burd Jeff, he calls it the magnetic 1014 01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:17.480 center in alchemy, and you call it the loadstone. It's 1015 01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:22.400 a magnetic stone. And as I say, the pole stars 1016 01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:26.119 are magnetic stars. So you know, it's a ligne to 1017 01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:30.960 the Earth's axis. It's a line there. So the very 1018 01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:33.800 first pyramid to step Pyramid, which a lot of my 1019 01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:36.840 works based on, have had certain things revealed to me. 1020 01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:41.320 But that's a line to the pole star Draco. So 1021 01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:45.480 it's an alignment. It's like you're aligning, like the lay line, 1022 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:49.760 the dragon path, the Tao being in the dow being, synchronicity, 1023 01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:53.719 what they call the law of correspondences, the sympathy of 1024 01:06:53.840 --> 01:07:00.840 all things. It's being intimate, you know, it's like feeling intimately. 1025 01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:02.519 You know, if you go for a walk and there's 1026 01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:06.519 birds and trees or your or people, you like, it's 1027 01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:10.360 an intimacy. I think that's a very important spiritual quality. 1028 01:07:11.079 --> 01:07:19.880 Is like intimacy, Being receptive, you know, connected, Yeah, connected 1029 01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:25.920 is it's vulnerable, being vulnerable as well. Because vulnerable you 1030 01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:28.960 can you think, if you're open to people, open to well, 1031 01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:33.920 you can be hurt because you're vulnerable. And in a way, 1032 01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:39.639 you know, the terrible aspect of the Godhead, which is 1033 01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:43.480 the Numanus, the terrible aspect of the god Head. You know, 1034 01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:48.440 even the evil aspect is part of it is part 1035 01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:52.800 of the drama, you know. So I've never closed off 1036 01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:56.280 you know, I've not dabbled or anything in magic in 1037 01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:03.840 that way, but I'm saying that when you're being intimate, yes, 1038 01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:07.800 you can be a bit afraid. Of course, your instincts 1039 01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:11.079 you're afraid, and you want a good experience, and you know, 1040 01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:15.840 you've got a whole kind of cornucopia of reactions. But 1041 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:18.239 if you've got the right intention, if you've got the 1042 01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:21.840 right intention and you're building on something, there's got to 1043 01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:25.920 be something there. You've got to have confidence in yourself 1044 01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:31.239 that there's something there in yourself. You know, it's got 1045 01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:35.640 to be a place. Hasn't there a place you can 1046 01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:39.840 go to in yourself? And that's what meditation is is 1047 01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:46.479 meditation is really a communion with the spirit. So if 1048 01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:49.600 you're in communion with the spirit, the world opens itself 1049 01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:53.960 to you. That's how I would describe it. I've never 1050 01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:55.439 meditated myself, but. 1051 01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.920 If you're stargaze and I think there's a form of meditation, yeah. 1052 01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:03.880 Yeah, I'm saying if you you know, if you're an 1053 01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:06.199 artist and you go into the studio and there's a 1054 01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:10.920 blank canvas, yeah, that moment, that's the nirvana. That's the 1055 01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:14.960 white room in the way, that's the white square. Nirvana, emptiness. 1056 01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:19.560 Have you got the have you got the energy, the courage, 1057 01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:23.960 the confidence to make a mark? You know? And like 1058 01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:26.640 the cave paintings, they went in there, didn't they And 1059 01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:30.359 they made the mark. They scratched and made the mark. 1060 01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:34.760 So I'm saying that, you know, being open and what 1061 01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:38.520 I would call the act of creation, that there are 1062 01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:42.720 always acts of creation. Synchronicity is u first, the acts 1063 01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:46.960 of creation. They're coming out of actual creation. They're coming 1064 01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:50.920 out of nothing, what we call nothing, which the scientists 1065 01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:54.640 don't believe in, but we know, we know it's real. 1066 01:09:56.359 --> 01:09:58.640 And once you've had one experience, then you've got it, 1067 01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:01.199 haven't you. Once you I've had one thing. 1068 01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:04.800 It's enough to start it. It's enough to get bit 1069 01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:08.920 by the bug. You get bit, the bug bites it. 1070 01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:12.079 Yeah, but once you've got it, it's not going to 1071 01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:12.600 go away. 1072 01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:15.960 No, I don't think it ever. 1073 01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:16.279 Does. 1074 01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:19.760 Some people turn it off, you know, people that we 1075 01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:25.960 get busy. You know, things happen, consciousness shift, things change. 1076 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:28.920 I don't. I wish I did, Like I wish I 1077 01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:31.760 still had as many encounters as I used to. It's 1078 01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:35.319 been a while since I've had a profound UFO encounter. 1079 01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:37.000 And I was at a place where I was having 1080 01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:41.159 them daily, like making contact daily. Now it's like I'm 1081 01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:44.279 reflecting on what the hell was it? Like what is it? 1082 01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:46.960 And uh, you know, and trying to talk to people 1083 01:10:47.039 --> 01:10:49.359 and stuff, and then the information and knowledge from the 1084 01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:53.600 research and even from the meditation or seeing the UFO. 1085 01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:56.520 It's not just about seeing something. I think people see 1086 01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:00.520 stuff all the time, but communicating with it, connecting with 1087 01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:04.399 it and getting downloads of information and energy. That's a 1088 01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:06.640 whole other level. That's a whole nother thing that we're 1089 01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:07.479 bringing to the table. 1090 01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:08.119 And so. 1091 01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:13.279 It's not about continuing to have the experience, it's about 1092 01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:15.279 dissecting it and what does it mean to you. I 1093 01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:17.880 think it's a I think it's a disservice just to 1094 01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:21.880 keep wanting more. I want another one. I want another experience. 1095 01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:24.079 I want to see something else. Like you've been privileged 1096 01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:26.560 to see so much, you have to do something with 1097 01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:29.439 the information. I mean there's people you know who like 1098 01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:32.520 chase after psychics and profits and stuff like that, and 1099 01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:34.920 I used to do that. Go to services where you 1100 01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:38.119 want someone to speak over you a prophetic word about 1101 01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:40.920 your life, and then the next week you want somebody 1102 01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:43.159 else to do it, and you're just chasing this versus 1103 01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:46.600 like or even with the psychedelic experience. You want all 1104 01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:50.000 of these psychedelic experiences, but you haven't done the work. 1105 01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:53.199 And the information that has come through, you have to 1106 01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:56.119 dissect it and apply it to your life to go deeper. 1107 01:11:56.640 --> 01:11:58.960 That's what's working for me. I've had those encounters and 1108 01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:02.600 I'm trying to make the changes in the adjustments to 1109 01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:05.680 my life. And when I do, the information that comes 1110 01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:08.800 through has been profound. It's been life changing. About like 1111 01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:12.359 you said, something, whether you want to call it God 1112 01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:15.239 or the universe or the ets or whatever, it's something 1113 01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:17.880 that's watching over us. It's communicating with us, and it 1114 01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:20.600 has an agenda or a path for us, like a 1115 01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:24.359 life purpose, to affect people, to bring about good, to 1116 01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:26.600 bring about change. And I've seen it in my own 1117 01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:29.760 life and I think it's very tangible and it's very beautiful. 1118 01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:34.960 Yeah. All right, So we're in the body, right, we're born. 1119 01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:37.840 You know, we're in a body. We don't have much 1120 01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:41.199 memory of what happened before. So we're in the body 1121 01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:46.039 and we're a self. So seven billion people with selves 1122 01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:49.159 in bodies, right, and we've got this tool kit consciousness. 1123 01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:56.479 The spirit doesn't connect through consciousness, the spirit connects to you. Right. 1124 01:12:56.600 --> 01:13:01.039 So the spiritual awakening is a commune, the one to 1125 01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:05.439 one communion, almost self to self in the Buddhist sets 1126 01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:08.880 Hindu sense, the small self with the big self. It's 1127 01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:12.479 self to self. That's what I'm saying. It never goes 1128 01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:16.560 away once that communion, once you've re established connection with 1129 01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:17.439 the source. 1130 01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:18.239 The inward dialogue. 1131 01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:23.600 Yeah, wherever you've come from, as it were, into the body, 1132 01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:32.359 you've reconnected, and then consciousness has to do something about it. Right. 1133 01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:35.359 So you've got people that don't have that contact with 1134 01:13:35.800 --> 01:13:38.920 their self or there with God or whatever you want 1135 01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:41.920 to call it, and they live in consciousness, they live 1136 01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:43.800 in the matrix, they live in what the buddh Is 1137 01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:48.680 called conditioning maya. So they're chasing their own tail. They're 1138 01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:53.840 playing themselves. They're not playing an artificial robot chess. You know, 1139 01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:57.680 they're playing the game they're playing. They're really playing their 1140 01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:02.039 own mind game. They're playing their that aren't they playing 1141 01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:05.960 against themselves in chess? So we're all playing against ourselves. 1142 01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:13.640 And I'm saying that the spiritual awakening, the self to self, 1143 01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:19.039 the one to one isn't about consciousness. But we're here, 1144 01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:26.279 so we have to you might say, represent that communion 1145 01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:33.279 which is without knowledge. We've got to translate it into knowledge. 1146 01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:38.079 So we have what you call genius. So the genius 1147 01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:43.119 translates what he's you know, she's inspired to say, or 1148 01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:47.640 poetry or music. It's come out of nowhere and they 1149 01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:52.640 express it. And that direct kind of expression, that creative 1150 01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:56.359 expression is again like an act of creation. It's coming 1151 01:14:56.399 --> 01:15:01.800 out of nowhere. And what happens with the establishment, the authority, 1152 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:05.760 the people that run the society I caught you know, 1153 01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:11.319 it's called cultural capital. They don't love music and love art. 1154 01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:14.960 They want the product, they want the brand to make 1155 01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:20.960 more money, hijack the creative artists. And they have patrons, 1156 01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:24.920 right so you you know, the Vatican's the patron in 1157 01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:28.880 the Renaissance. And then you've got like people, you know, 1158 01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:32.479 paying lip service. Well, I've never bought into that. My 1159 01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:35.239 art nobody has seen. Very few people have seen my 1160 01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:39.039 art because I'm not going to play that game, you know. 1161 01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:42.479 And like I'm on Amazon. I published my books on Amazon. 1162 01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:45.479 I put my pictures on Facebook and so forth and 1163 01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:49.880 so on, and show a few friends, but I'm not 1164 01:15:50.199 --> 01:15:53.640 going to bow down to any authority that's going to 1165 01:15:53.840 --> 01:15:58.399 hijack the meaning of my life. You know, the meaning 1166 01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:01.119 of my life is the being content with the spiritual, 1167 01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:05.359 to be creative and to be independent, to be free. 1168 01:16:06.439 --> 01:16:10.479 And I'm not going to play that game. I'm not 1169 01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:14.279 going to play against myself because when we play against ourselves. 1170 01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:15.840 We sell yourself out. It's hard to get it back. 1171 01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:18.319 We look at look at Prince, look at his story man, 1172 01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:22.399 you know, and essentially what happened to him and him 1173 01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:25.920 changing his name into a symbol because they owned everything 1174 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:28.560 that he put out, and they had, you know, they 1175 01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:31.680 they could approve or disprove songs, you know, and maybe 1176 01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:33.880 the stuff he wanted to put out, they wouldn't release it. 1177 01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:36.520 And that's happened with a lot of people having to 1178 01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:40.079 change their message or even selling their story to a network. 1179 01:16:40.119 --> 01:16:42.920 I mean, if we're talking about uthology, let's look at 1180 01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:46.680 the movie Fire in the Sky. You know, what's his name. 1181 01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:51.119 He sold his story and they totally misrepresented it and 1182 01:16:51.359 --> 01:16:53.640 it made it like a horror movie essentially, when it 1183 01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:56.640 was something in the end beautiful. And he's working he's 1184 01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:59.680 working out there now doing the circuits to a kind 1185 01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:04.520 of un do what that movie has done, you know, Yeah, 1186 01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:07.640 and they want to change it. So I talked to 1187 01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:10.840 James Gillilan too, and he's one who of who's out 1188 01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:13.920 there on the front lines of the contact the experiences 1189 01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:17.880 and initiating contact as well. And and he's been approached 1190 01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:20.960 to sell his story but he won't because they try 1191 01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:23.920 to put the horror bend on it. That genre set cells. 1192 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:26.720 I mean, there's you know, I went and seen a 1193 01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:28.439 horror movie the other day, but it was good. There 1194 01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:31.319 was an awesome message in it about psychic abilities. I've 1195 01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:34.840 seen the new Insidious movie and uh took my daughter 1196 01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:37.359 to see it. It is horror because there's jump scares 1197 01:17:37.399 --> 01:17:40.039 and stuff like that, But as far as they did 1198 01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:42.479 a really good job in that movie of tying in 1199 01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:46.279 receiving messages from the other world, of being a psychic 1200 01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:50.680 and and being downtroded and abused by your parents and 1201 01:17:50.840 --> 01:17:53.720 laughed at, but still seeking after that. So there, so 1202 01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:56.319 they're like, there's people now with that art and creativity, 1203 01:17:56.359 --> 01:18:00.439 they're still tying these beautiful messages in with the genre. 1204 01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:03.760 I think. I think like entertainment is so powerful. I 1205 01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:07.359 do music about my art and my experiences. I'm taking 1206 01:18:07.439 --> 01:18:11.560 these really delicate spiritual encounters and putting them in a 1207 01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:14.520 song and trying to articulate it in a way that 1208 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:19.479 it sounds intriguing in it and it almost builds an 1209 01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:22.600 altar or a monument of these encounters that I've had 1210 01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:25.479 and other people, you know, well, I talk about reading, 1211 01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:30.439 reading books and information, listening to music that promotes this 1212 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:34.039 type of stuff, a lot of stuff. So other people 1213 01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:38.520 who are listening to my songs about my encounters, they're 1214 01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:44.399 finding themselves having these encounters with UFOs and spirits and 1215 01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:48.560 meditation and things like that. So something with the synchronicity, 1216 01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:52.159 everything ties together, you know, once you start giving your 1217 01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:54.960 attention to it, you start noticing it and everything, and 1218 01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:58.920 something's guiding you, something's leading you to everything you're doing. 1219 01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:01.560 Some people never realize as that though. Some people are 1220 01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:04.680 just on that study mode and they never come to 1221 01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:09.840 this inward knowing that it's about spirituality, it's about treating 1222 01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:12.800 others well. They just they want knowledge, they want to 1223 01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:15.840 have the information, but there's no connection to the spirit 1224 01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:17.079 realm there at all for them. 1225 01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:22.560 Yeah, it's a matter of networking, isn't it. 1226 01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:27.439 You know, it's supernatural networking because you've. 1227 01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:30.159 Got the may Tricks. I've never I've never seen the 1228 01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:33.159 may I don't watch films, but yeah, I've not seen 1229 01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:33.960 the may Tricks. 1230 01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:37.439 When you you know the concept. 1231 01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:41.439 Yeah, but the obviously they're talking about the prison planet 1232 01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:45.159 and AI is something something. 1233 01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:47.600 Is kind of it's talking about Maya too. You know, 1234 01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:50.399 the veil of the you know, the unseen realm that 1235 01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:53.159 or this realm that we see is just a shadow 1236 01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:56.159 and it's just kind of not real. You know, it's 1237 01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:58.880 the world to come. That's uh, that's the real world. 1238 01:20:01.439 --> 01:20:03.920 Yeah, I mean, you know the things that we see 1239 01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:07.880 around us, what we call history and even the pyramids. 1240 01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:12.920 You know, again, it's a language. I mean, in the end, 1241 01:20:13.199 --> 01:20:17.560 everything in consciousness is a language, and everything's coded what 1242 01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:23.159 I call the symbolic code. And in the world when 1243 01:20:23.159 --> 01:20:26.239 we go to university and go to go to school 1244 01:20:26.319 --> 01:20:29.199 and all of that, that's one kind of code. There's 1245 01:20:29.239 --> 01:20:34.760 a propaganda and indoctrination and that kind of conditioning. And 1246 01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:37.840 so you've got that level of programming, which is what 1247 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:40.479 we see on the television and what we call society. 1248 01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:44.640 But there's a meta programming like say the Bible. You know, 1249 01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:48.039 you've got a person Jesus and some people going around 1250 01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:51.720 in their local city or town or something like that. 1251 01:20:52.760 --> 01:20:56.640 And then you've got this secret code. You've got this 1252 01:20:56.840 --> 01:21:03.680 meta programming, this mythic, symbolic, magical language kind of in there. 1253 01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:08.840 And you know, looking at it, if you just look 1254 01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:12.760 at it, like the Bible or any other text, the 1255 01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:14.960 Book of the Dead, the Egyptian Book of the Dead, 1256 01:21:15.279 --> 01:21:17.880 it's just a riddle. It's like the riddle of the Sphinx. 1257 01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:23.279 I mean, it's just a very very com complicated, very 1258 01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:26.800 messy it's a very messy language. No, when you read 1259 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:33.640 poetry in a way, it's not easy for the conscious mind. 1260 01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:36.119 When you read poetry, the contract you've got to switch. 1261 01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:39.279 You've got to go from the conscious mind, which is 1262 01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:43.479 like ego based and controlling everything. You've got to let go. 1263 01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:46.600 You've got to kind of go fall into the poetry, 1264 01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:51.039 don't you. You fall into the music, and you've got 1265 01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:55.960 to navigate. So there is a kind of secret code 1266 01:21:56.039 --> 01:22:00.560 within yourself. You can navigate this dark night of the 1267 01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:03.880 souldest matrix and whatever you want to call it. And 1268 01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:11.479 as I say, it's it's like my first memory, my 1269 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:17.439 very first memory at two years old is looking at 1270 01:22:17.479 --> 01:22:22.279 a red fire engine. Right, So my favorite toy was 1271 01:22:22.359 --> 01:22:25.359 a red fire engine. So my memory is just looking 1272 01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:31.359 at this red fire engine and somebody something revealed that 1273 01:22:31.560 --> 01:22:35.560 to me and I interpret that as the chariot of fire. 1274 01:22:37.239 --> 01:22:40.439 So the fire engine becomes the charity fire, the Charter 1275 01:22:40.439 --> 01:22:43.680 to five becomes the UFO. So at the age of 1276 01:22:43.760 --> 01:22:48.359 four years no, I have this seeming abduction. So I'm 1277 01:22:48.439 --> 01:22:55.600 saying that, you know, your life story is encoded meta 1278 01:22:55.680 --> 01:23:00.439 program with mythology and symbol and magic, and it's making 1279 01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:03.880 the connection. You know, you could live your whole life 1280 01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:07.279 and not reflect on that level, but it's there. It's 1281 01:23:07.319 --> 01:23:10.720 actually there. You know, the flowers in the garden, or 1282 01:23:10.920 --> 01:23:14.359 maybe your father, like my father used to read detective 1283 01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:19.159 books and cowboy, you know, that kind of American polk fiction. 1284 01:23:20.079 --> 01:23:27.239 You know, it could be anything that contains this symbolic 1285 01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:31.760 knowledge for you. And yet you could live your whole 1286 01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:35.399 life and not realize that something in your front room 1287 01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:38.399 when you were a child, or some person you met 1288 01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:42.199 or someplace you went to there was something telling you something, 1289 01:23:42.279 --> 01:23:45.319 but you just didn't see it. You just didn't like listen. 1290 01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:52.079 Yeah, that's that's that's so true. That's a fear, and 1291 01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:55.319 I think that's that's what you always want people to 1292 01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:58.920 experience what you haven't experienced, an encounter. You want everybody 1293 01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:01.560 to know what you know. I mean, just look at vegetarians, 1294 01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:04.399 Look at vegans. You know they've got the answer. They 1295 01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:06.760 found the antidote, and then they're gonna go around and 1296 01:24:06.840 --> 01:24:10.199 tell everybody everyone and proselytize. And even with you know, 1297 01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:13.079 Christians or any type of religion, you're gonna go out 1298 01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:14.960 and say, hey, I have the truth. You need to 1299 01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:18.800 know this what I know. And so essentially what we're 1300 01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:22.119 doing just kind of having this conversation sharing the stories. 1301 01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:26.600 For many people that already rings true, they've already had 1302 01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:29.760 that inward knowing, that self reflection. And for those who haven't, 1303 01:24:29.800 --> 01:24:32.479 it's available. We're just letting them know that it's there. 1304 01:24:32.560 --> 01:24:36.760 And it's just sad that that people never encounter that. 1305 01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:40.000 I mean, I have family members who you know, who've 1306 01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:41.720 had a hard life. You know, I've had a hard 1307 01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:45.520 life too, but just to see them still continue to 1308 01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:50.479 go on that path, that destructive path, when the path 1309 01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:55.079 of goodness is there too, like this self realization, learning 1310 01:24:55.159 --> 01:24:58.199 from your mistakes, learning from the mistakes of others. All 1311 01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:01.640 of it's there, but some of them will never experience that. 1312 01:25:01.800 --> 01:25:05.079 That's sad to fathom. It's sad to think of. I 1313 01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:08.399 do believe in and happy endings. I do believe that 1314 01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:10.880 we could be happy and experience that, and I want 1315 01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:14.079 that for everyone. But David, I appreciate you coming on 1316 01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:15.279 the show hanging out with me. 1317 01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:15.479 Bro. 1318 01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:18.039 Do you want to share your links where people can 1319 01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:19.520 contact you? I don't. I don't know if you have 1320 01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:21.520 a website, but you've got a lot of interviews that 1321 01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:24.319 you've done. You're also active on Facebook and things like that. 1322 01:25:24.399 --> 01:25:25.640 If you want to share your links out. 1323 01:25:26.359 --> 01:25:30.920 Yeah, I've got a YouTube channel and you can get 1324 01:25:31.159 --> 01:25:34.720 I think I've got about nine nine a playlist of 1325 01:25:34.880 --> 01:25:42.720 nine now on my YouTube channel. I'm on Facebook and Amazon. 1326 01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:48.359 My books are on Amazon and my and my email 1327 01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:55.439 is David dot sr dot Curtis at outlook dot com. 1328 01:25:57.239 --> 01:25:59.600 And you know you can find me in those places. 1329 01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:02.720 David, I've enjoyed hanging out with you, brother. Well let's 1330 01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:03.840 do it again soon if we can. 1331 01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:06.960 Man, Okay, nice seeing you all right? 1332 01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:09.680 Thank you, Bro? Yeah, I see you, Bye bye bye, 1333 01:26:11.119 --> 01:26:16.319 David Curtis. Ladies and gentlemen, awesome, good stuff. Enjoyed that 1334 01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:21.439 conversation a lot when we're talking about that stuff. Man, 1335 01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:25.079 just I think just talking about those those experiences, those 1336 01:26:25.359 --> 01:26:28.000 encounters and stuff like that, I think that it's part 1337 01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:30.720 of what initiates it. We're talking about people who want 1338 01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:33.720 to have those encounters in their life. We're talking about 1339 01:26:35.279 --> 01:26:37.760 how do you do it stargazing. There's something that's that's 1340 01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:40.880 connected there. Thank you guys for hanging out with me. 1341 01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:42.520 I'm gonna try to get to some of these questions 1342 01:26:42.560 --> 01:26:44.800 here in the chat room. Phone lines are open. If 1343 01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:47.039 anybody wants to call in, feel free to use that 1344 01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:52.479 technology that we have. But let's see. So Ray asked 1345 01:26:52.479 --> 01:26:54.479 me a while ago, I did see that come by 1346 01:26:54.680 --> 01:26:57.159 in the chat. You asked me if I've ever done 1347 01:26:57.199 --> 01:26:58.760 Steven Greer's meditation. 1348 01:26:59.159 --> 01:26:59.399 I have. 1349 01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:04.680 It's a good meditation. We used to do that CE 1350 01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:09.439 five initiative meditation before going out to stargates and trying 1351 01:27:09.479 --> 01:27:11.840 to make contact. We'd kind of get in that heightened 1352 01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:14.439 state of awareness, and I remember doing it with a 1353 01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:16.640 friend of mine out in the field. We were sitting 1354 01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:19.520 in a vehicle first and getting relaxed get into the 1355 01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:22.800 meditative state before we went into that meditation, and I 1356 01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:24.920 know it was so funny because you can tell like 1357 01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:28.159 he was reading, and then you could tell that he 1358 01:27:28.399 --> 01:27:30.479 was turning the pages, and so there was just we 1359 01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:34.479 always laugh. We'd hear him breathe, and then it was 1360 01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:37.479 just so raw and he's reading and you can hear 1361 01:27:37.520 --> 01:27:39.920 the pages of his book that he's reading his meditation 1362 01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:43.399 out of. It was just hilarious. But that's my memories 1363 01:27:43.439 --> 01:27:46.000 of doing the CE five meditation from Stephen Greer. But 1364 01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:50.720 we definitely did do that. Christy folks, she asked earlier. 1365 01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:53.119 She says she wants to be a part of what 1366 01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:55.199 we're doing with the School of the Mystics, but she 1367 01:27:56.119 --> 01:27:58.359 isn't able to do it on Thursday nights. There's a 1368 01:27:58.399 --> 01:28:00.199 lot of people. I've been getting this message a lot, 1369 01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:02.000 a lot of people who support a lot of people 1370 01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:03.680 who want to be a part of what we're doing 1371 01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:06.319 on Thursday nights, but they can't because of the job 1372 01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:08.319 or you know, the family things going on, and when 1373 01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:11.239 they have time to kind of get away, it's during 1374 01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:15.159 work hours listening to the podcast driving whatever the case is. 1375 01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:18.960 So I wasn't gonna record those because they've been really 1376 01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:21.680 candid and stuff and personal, but I'm gonna record them 1377 01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:25.039 and they're gonna be available for the patrons, so it'll 1378 01:28:25.079 --> 01:28:28.000 be in the patron section essentially, because we're doing a 1379 01:28:28.079 --> 01:28:32.640 course and if anybody comes in at any time in 1380 01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:37.880 the course, maybe we have, you know, five sessions under 1381 01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:39.720 our belt, you can go back and listen to them. 1382 01:28:40.079 --> 01:28:42.840 They're going to be really short sessions that we're doing 1383 01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:46.239 with the teachings anywhere short. So we're gonna do the 1384 01:28:46.279 --> 01:28:49.399 short teaching of the course and then we're gonna do 1385 01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:54.000 the Q and A and the group discussion that's in 1386 01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:58.800 the book. So it's about starting the profetic ministry and 1387 01:28:59.159 --> 01:29:03.119 a lot of it it's basics for me, elementary stuff, 1388 01:29:03.159 --> 01:29:04.960 but I think it's good to brush up on elementary 1389 01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:07.119 stuff even for me, And there could be some things 1390 01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:11.119 I haven't learned because this is somebody else's. Of course, 1391 01:29:11.239 --> 01:29:13.079 there's a bunch of them we could choose from, but 1392 01:29:13.119 --> 01:29:15.600 we're gonna start here and see how it goes. And 1393 01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:17.880 so it's gonna be something that we're building with the 1394 01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:20.600 community Thursday nights at seven pm with the School of 1395 01:29:20.680 --> 01:29:23.319 the Mystics, So you'll be able to listen to that 1396 01:29:23.399 --> 01:29:25.680 at your own leisure. So if you are a patron, 1397 01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:28.319 you'll get access to that too. So I wanted to 1398 01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:29.840 make sure I let that know that it will be 1399 01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:36.000 recorded now. Yeah, man, I've had a pretty interesting week 1400 01:29:36.119 --> 01:29:38.920 this week, guys. I mentioned it at the end of 1401 01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:44.199 the last podcast. Man, I don't know. I don't know 1402 01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:46.800 how much to just go in on this. We've been 1403 01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:49.159 talking about this a lot lately. I was on Christy 1404 01:29:49.279 --> 01:29:51.239 Lee's show last night. We talked about it a little bit. 1405 01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:54.439 But just to kind of keep you guys up to speed, like, 1406 01:29:55.039 --> 01:29:59.079 I did a contest for a song. I wrote a song, 1407 01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:02.800 submitted it to this contest that Tark Bibbie put out 1408 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:05.680 ended up winning first place. It was a theme song. 1409 01:30:05.800 --> 01:30:10.520 It was about star seeds who feel misplaced and who 1410 01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:12.279 are going through a rough time on the earth and 1411 01:30:12.359 --> 01:30:14.760 then kind of finding healing or finding their calling in 1412 01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:17.239 the end. So I wrote this song. It's available on 1413 01:30:17.319 --> 01:30:19.520 Patreon as well, you can download it. It's called Scars 1414 01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:24.520 and it's about a girl. It's about a guy going 1415 01:30:24.560 --> 01:30:29.720 through life and being an outcast, being rejected, not fitting 1416 01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:33.399 in at school, those type of things. And then he's 1417 01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:36.399 talking about pill addiction and stuff like that. And then 1418 01:30:36.520 --> 01:30:39.920 the second verse is about a girl kind of same experience, 1419 01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:43.119 not fitting in at school, being picked on, made fun of, 1420 01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:46.079 and things like that, and then at the end they 1421 01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:49.600 find each other. They run away together and they find healing. 1422 01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:52.000 And I sum it up in a song. I did 1423 01:30:52.079 --> 01:30:54.119 that song, put it out there for the contest. I 1424 01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:57.079 won first place. I want a thousand dollars, Praise God. 1425 01:30:57.079 --> 01:30:59.079 It was awesome. It came through it perfect time, right 1426 01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:01.760 when I needed it for bills and that type of stuff. 1427 01:31:01.800 --> 01:31:04.079 So really a god thing that I won. I knew. 1428 01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:06.079 The funny thing is, I knew I was gonna win 1429 01:31:06.199 --> 01:31:08.399 like when I because I woke up with those lyrics 1430 01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:10.560 in my head, like I got the song from spirit. 1431 01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:14.239 So I woke up out of sleep and had these 1432 01:31:14.319 --> 01:31:16.600 lyrics in my head, just the beginning of it to 1433 01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:18.640 sit down and do it, and it just started flowing. 1434 01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:23.960 One first place, one guy was upset that I won 1435 01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:27.359 because he submitted a song. The song was not good, Uh, 1436 01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:30.119 his singing was off key, all of this stuff, but 1437 01:31:30.199 --> 01:31:33.319 he insisted that he should have been the winner. And 1438 01:31:33.399 --> 01:31:36.000 it got really weird. This guy was messaging me the 1439 01:31:36.079 --> 01:31:38.720 guy who did the contest. Tark had to block this 1440 01:31:38.880 --> 01:31:42.239 guy because he's talking about pressing charge is just crazy stuff. 1441 01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:44.239 This guy who claims that he was supposed to be 1442 01:31:44.319 --> 01:31:46.880 the winner of the contest and the song was bad. 1443 01:31:47.279 --> 01:31:49.560 I wanted to tell him that it was bad. I 1444 01:31:49.640 --> 01:31:52.000 wanted to tell him that he should have got somebody 1445 01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:54.840 else to sing it because he was off key, you know, 1446 01:31:55.960 --> 01:31:58.840 But I didn't. I had the message typed up and 1447 01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:00.279 I was gonna send it to him because he was 1448 01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:03.520 like accusing me or accusing the contest of being rigged, 1449 01:32:03.560 --> 01:32:05.600 and all kind of weird stuff, you know. So that 1450 01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:07.680 happened with the contest, and then on top of that, 1451 01:32:07.760 --> 01:32:10.760 a close friend of mine went through some weird psychosis. 1452 01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:12.680 He's been going through this thing for a long time, 1453 01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:15.960 actually doing really weird stuff on social media. I mean, 1454 01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:19.520 going live on Facebook and getting naked, like taking off 1455 01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:23.319 his clothes and saying, America, A stand before you as 1456 01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:26.319 a naked man, naked before you, naked before God. I 1457 01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:28.760 hold nothing back. And he get naked and put the 1458 01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:30.920 camera on his face where you couldn't see it. He's 1459 01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:34.760 sitting there naked on livestream. This dude, he's on drugs 1460 01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:36.319 and stuff, and he's a good friend of mine. Man, 1461 01:32:36.359 --> 01:32:39.720 he's got a calling on his life. I've seen God 1462 01:32:39.880 --> 01:32:42.359 use him. He's talented, he plays all kinds of instruments, 1463 01:32:42.439 --> 01:32:45.239 he raps, he sings. He's awesome, man, but he's just 1464 01:32:45.319 --> 01:32:47.640 in a bad place, on some really hard drugs and 1465 01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:51.239 involved with some dark spirits. Man. And well, anyway, this 1466 01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:54.520 guy reached out to me after all that stuff about 1467 01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:57.920 getting naked and he made death threats to his baby 1468 01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:02.199 mama and his or on Facebook Live. He said he 1469 01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:03.640 was gonna kill him and give them back to God. 1470 01:33:05.039 --> 01:33:09.159 Crazy stuff. He reached out to me and uh and said, 1471 01:33:09.319 --> 01:33:12.359 congratulations on the song. You did good, my brother. I'm 1472 01:33:12.399 --> 01:33:14.840 not even gonna ask you for what you owe me 1473 01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:18.279 half of them half of the money. It's like what 1474 01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:21.199 he said, Yep, you owe me half of the money. 1475 01:33:21.279 --> 01:33:23.560 That song was inspired by me, and I actually wrote 1476 01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:26.239 that song, and I gave you the knowledge and all 1477 01:33:26.279 --> 01:33:28.479 this took to write that song. And I was like, 1478 01:33:28.960 --> 01:33:31.159 I didn't even entertain it. I was like, man, this dude, 1479 01:33:31.199 --> 01:33:33.199 shout out. This dude, he's on some crazy stuff to 1480 01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:36.079 come at me sideways like that on something that I created. 1481 01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:38.359 You know what I'm saying, that's just insane. That's some 1482 01:33:38.520 --> 01:33:40.640 the stuff you go through when your mind is on 1483 01:33:40.800 --> 01:33:45.239 some of these hard drugs. And he just insisted. Man, 1484 01:33:45.319 --> 01:33:46.960 he just kept on and on, and then he started 1485 01:33:47.000 --> 01:33:48.880 blowing me up, calling me, calling me, calling me. I 1486 01:33:49.000 --> 01:33:52.039 wasn't answering because I was busy at the moment. You 1487 01:33:52.159 --> 01:33:54.159 need to answer right now. Your life is in jeopardy. 1488 01:33:54.479 --> 01:33:57.720 Oh my god. You know he's one of the craziest 1489 01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:01.079 coming out the woodwork. Bad thing is I really believe 1490 01:34:01.119 --> 01:34:04.319 in this guy. Man, I could see the potential in him. Anyway, 1491 01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:06.159 I finally answered the phone. I said, Bro, I'm watching 1492 01:34:06.199 --> 01:34:09.000 a movie with my wife. What's up? Blah blah blah blah. 1493 01:34:09.039 --> 01:34:11.479 He just went off on some crazy stuff and you 1494 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:13.960 owe me five hundred dollars. You want a thousand? I 1495 01:34:14.079 --> 01:34:16.880 want my money, Like, dude, you're insane, bro. And I 1496 01:34:17.039 --> 01:34:19.000 just told him, look, you need to get off the drugs. 1497 01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:21.800 You need to get cleaned. I love you by and 1498 01:34:21.880 --> 01:34:24.399 I just blocked him from all social media, blocked his 1499 01:34:24.439 --> 01:34:27.800 phone number, all that stuff. So then before he goes 1500 01:34:27.880 --> 01:34:31.479 and does this long Facebook rant on me and tries 1501 01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:33.560 to post it in the Patreon or not Patreon group, 1502 01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:36.000 but in my on my public group that I have 1503 01:34:36.199 --> 01:34:40.560 tru Seeker's friends on Facebook and this long thing talking 1504 01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:43.880 about I'm a Judas and I stole from him crazy 1505 01:34:45.039 --> 01:34:48.079 crazy stuff. And then he started going to all my 1506 01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:51.840 friends just telling him crazy stuff about me. We got 1507 01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:55.960 to quit following truth Seeker. He's using magic. He's left God, 1508 01:34:56.119 --> 01:34:58.840 he's following magic, and like he's going to all my 1509 01:34:58.920 --> 01:35:01.319 friends just having these private discourses with them. And the 1510 01:35:01.399 --> 01:35:03.479 weird thing is like a lot of people entertained it, 1511 01:35:04.239 --> 01:35:06.840 you know, and I think you know, And that's that's 1512 01:35:06.920 --> 01:35:10.159 the weird thing when it comes to psychology and understanding 1513 01:35:10.239 --> 01:35:13.800 why people are trying to rationalize with the drug addict. 1514 01:35:14.079 --> 01:35:16.760 You know me too, I've I put myself in the mix. 1515 01:35:16.840 --> 01:35:19.239 Why why was I trying to? I see the I 1516 01:35:19.319 --> 01:35:22.399 see the potential in this guy, like I see, you know, 1517 01:35:22.479 --> 01:35:25.840 he's an awesome artist, Like people would people pray in 1518 01:35:26.039 --> 01:35:29.880 fast for his talent, Like they long to write a song, 1519 01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:31.880 They longed to be able to play the guitar, be 1520 01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:34.079 able to sing and rap, and like this guy, he's 1521 01:35:34.079 --> 01:35:37.000 got so much talent it's oozing out of him. But 1522 01:35:37.159 --> 01:35:39.640 he's in a bad place right now, man, So we're 1523 01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:41.640 just gonna pray for him. I've been praying for him, 1524 01:35:41.720 --> 01:35:44.399 but it got to the next level. He started sending 1525 01:35:44.439 --> 01:35:47.399 me death threats. He started telling my friends that he 1526 01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:51.359 was gonna stop at nothing to honor his ancestors and 1527 01:35:51.560 --> 01:35:55.680 kill me, and his ancestors will get glory out of 1528 01:35:55.840 --> 01:36:01.520 out of my downfall, and just crazy craziness. So I 1529 01:36:01.600 --> 01:36:06.920 reached out to this lady, the mother of the girl 1530 01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:09.720 he was threatening because they had a whole deal on 1531 01:36:09.840 --> 01:36:12.800 it as well, threatening to kill him and kill his daughter. 1532 01:36:13.199 --> 01:36:14.680 And so I reached out to her house, like, look, 1533 01:36:14.680 --> 01:36:17.479 if you guys had any luck going to the police 1534 01:36:17.720 --> 01:36:21.199 with this guy, because all my friends were messaging me like, dude, 1535 01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:23.640 you gotta be careful with this dude. He's crazy. Right now, 1536 01:36:23.920 --> 01:36:26.239 he may show up at your house blah blah blah 1537 01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:28.439 blah blah blah, this kind of stuff. So I hit 1538 01:36:28.479 --> 01:36:30.359 the lady up. She said he was supposed to go 1539 01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:33.039 to court yesterday. He never showed up. You know, they 1540 01:36:33.119 --> 01:36:35.239 got three warrants on him. You know. She told me 1541 01:36:35.319 --> 01:36:37.800 to call the cops just so I can, uh, you know, 1542 01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:40.359 let him know what's going on, that it would help 1543 01:36:40.439 --> 01:36:42.439 this case because they got warrants on him. He didn't 1544 01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:44.760 show up for court for threatening these people and he 1545 01:36:44.840 --> 01:36:48.000 got gun charges and all kinds of crazy stuff. Anyway, 1546 01:36:48.920 --> 01:36:51.000 I didn't a call. But then just a few hours 1547 01:36:51.079 --> 01:36:56.680 later she posted an update. Oh, she posted an update 1548 01:36:56.800 --> 01:36:59.840 saying he was locked up. So they had this picture 1549 01:36:59.880 --> 01:37:03.359 of him, you know, all cracked out and stuff in jail, 1550 01:37:03.439 --> 01:37:07.720 and it's like, it's insane. You gotta be careful, man, 1551 01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:11.720 this is real. I'm reading the uh the comments at 1552 01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:15.399 the same same thing, man, and so Jared says, man, 1553 01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:18.920 you should prepare. Hey we got guns, bro, we got guns. 1554 01:37:19.000 --> 01:37:22.640 Trust me, We're prepared. We're ready, ready for whatever. The 1555 01:37:22.720 --> 01:37:26.840 weird thing is like a lot of once you reach 1556 01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:31.720 a level of notoriety, once you get a big enough platform, 1557 01:37:32.760 --> 01:37:36.199 a lot of people come out the woodwork. But then 1558 01:37:36.439 --> 01:37:38.600 then again, you know, you got to see if you're 1559 01:37:38.640 --> 01:37:43.520 catering to these people, if you're enabling these people those 1560 01:37:43.560 --> 01:37:46.920 type of things. But it's not just me, we like 1561 01:37:47.000 --> 01:37:49.399 to say, because we talk about spirituality, we're open to 1562 01:37:49.600 --> 01:37:52.279 so much stuff. And trust me, I get those messages 1563 01:37:52.319 --> 01:37:56.640 from crazy people who listen to the show and listen 1564 01:37:56.720 --> 01:38:00.119 to my music and they resonate with me. And and 1565 01:38:00.239 --> 01:38:02.720 this may I think I've even had somebody else say 1566 01:38:02.760 --> 01:38:05.039 that they felt like they wrote my lyrics or something. 1567 01:38:05.119 --> 01:38:07.159 I don't you know what I'm saying, Like just crazy. 1568 01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:09.399 I have people hitting me up telling telling me that 1569 01:38:09.439 --> 01:38:11.560 the Illuminati and the Masons told them that they were 1570 01:38:11.600 --> 01:38:14.520 supposed to be my wife and marry me. And I've 1571 01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:18.319 had my friend's wives who have never met, just friends 1572 01:38:18.520 --> 01:38:21.199 online and their wife will secretly message me that they 1573 01:38:21.239 --> 01:38:23.880 want to be together. Just crazy stuff that goes on. 1574 01:38:24.039 --> 01:38:27.359 And it comes with the territory. Man, and you want 1575 01:38:27.359 --> 01:38:29.439 to think, is like, Okay, what are you doing, true 1576 01:38:29.479 --> 01:38:33.640 seeker that creates a breeding ground for these people? Why 1577 01:38:33.720 --> 01:38:38.079 do these people feel comfortable with coming to you? I 1578 01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:40.159 see the potential in a lot of people, like even 1579 01:38:40.239 --> 01:38:43.239 with this guy, I see potential in him, and I 1580 01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:45.319 feel like he's I hope that he gets cleaned up, 1581 01:38:45.319 --> 01:38:47.840 and I prophesy that over him that he will man, 1582 01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:51.960 and I want that for him. I think everybody deserves 1583 01:38:52.000 --> 01:38:53.680 to have a happy, happy ending. 1584 01:38:53.760 --> 01:38:53.920 Man. 1585 01:38:54.920 --> 01:38:57.079 But I'm done with him. You can't threaten my life 1586 01:38:57.159 --> 01:38:58.840 or my family and then think you're gonna come back 1587 01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:00.840 and hang out and be friends. I'm done with them 1588 01:39:00.880 --> 01:39:04.000 on that tip. But there's a line that you can't 1589 01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:05.560 you can't take back your words. 1590 01:39:05.640 --> 01:39:05.800 Man. 1591 01:39:06.319 --> 01:39:09.000 You have to be careful. You can't undo it. Hey, 1592 01:39:09.039 --> 01:39:11.520 I was just playing, man, I was in a bad spot. Okay, 1593 01:39:11.600 --> 01:39:14.319 I forgive you, but you gotta stay away. You gotta 1594 01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:17.079 stay where you are. You can't, yeah, you can. You 1595 01:39:17.159 --> 01:39:20.199 can't be trusted, you know. And there's those people. Sometimes 1596 01:39:20.239 --> 01:39:22.039 you have to cut people off. Sometimes you have to 1597 01:39:22.079 --> 01:39:24.159 get people out of your life. Man, some people are dangerous. 1598 01:39:25.079 --> 01:39:27.720 The spirit of jealousy. Man, I have a lot of 1599 01:39:27.800 --> 01:39:30.600 friends over the years who have been jealous of my platform. 1600 01:39:31.279 --> 01:39:33.800 They think that they deserve it. They think that they're 1601 01:39:33.880 --> 01:39:36.479 more spiritual, they think that they have the right knowledge 1602 01:39:37.079 --> 01:39:41.199 to share with the masses of this platform that I've built, 1603 01:39:41.279 --> 01:39:44.720 and they're jealous. I don't deserve the platform they do. Like, 1604 01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:47.840 I've had people there and they do little stuff like 1605 01:39:48.039 --> 01:39:50.439 that guy as far as like messaging all my friends 1606 01:39:50.520 --> 01:39:52.920 and say, hey, stay away from true Seeker. He's a fake, 1607 01:39:52.960 --> 01:39:55.640 he's a false prophet. He's leading people astray like that 1608 01:39:55.760 --> 01:39:58.680 type of like people have inboxed them. I've had people 1609 01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:01.359 do that, inbox all my friends and then call me 1610 01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:03.720 and have a conversation with me, accusing me. And then 1611 01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:05.479 I'm able to kind of shed some light on whatever, 1612 01:40:07.119 --> 01:40:09.399 you know, nonsense, they're entertaining in their head, and I 1613 01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:11.159 win them over and they're like, you know what, man, 1614 01:40:11.479 --> 01:40:15.119 I'm sorry, bro. And they go back and they message 1615 01:40:15.239 --> 01:40:18.079 all the people again and they apologize and say, you 1616 01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:20.039 know what, I was wrong about truth seeker, this, this, this, 1617 01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:22.600 I've had that happen a bunch, especially with church people. 1618 01:40:23.199 --> 01:40:28.279 But you know, creating a safe haven or for these 1619 01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:32.319 people to thrive into spiritual spirituality, the New Age whatever 1620 01:40:32.319 --> 01:40:33.680 you want to call it. Like there's a lot of 1621 01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:37.640 people who are out there, you know, but guess what, 1622 01:40:38.319 --> 01:40:41.039 I come from Christianity and the Christian Church. And guess what, 1623 01:40:41.760 --> 01:40:43.800 there's a breeding ground for that too there in the 1624 01:40:44.159 --> 01:40:47.720 prophetic movements and stuff and we so this is just 1625 01:40:47.960 --> 01:40:50.079 like a warning just everybody get up on their game, 1626 01:40:50.199 --> 01:40:52.479 Like we have to really be walking in the spirit 1627 01:40:52.520 --> 01:40:56.159 of discernment with what we're entertaining and with people, and 1628 01:40:56.239 --> 01:40:59.319 we allow people to speak into our lives. And that 1629 01:40:59.439 --> 01:41:03.000 dude reached out to a lot of people. He uh, 1630 01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:05.640 it was weird. It's a whole the whole thing is 1631 01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:08.319 just weird in general, that one person would have that 1632 01:41:08.439 --> 01:41:09.960 much power to go on there and do that and 1633 01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:13.000 stir up as much stuff as they could. And we 1634 01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:16.439 have to be uh careful to stuff we're entertaining and 1635 01:41:16.560 --> 01:41:18.119 we're letting these people. We have to move in the 1636 01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:20.800 spirit of discernment. It was said a long time ago 1637 01:41:21.279 --> 01:41:24.680 that the guy who led me to the Lord years ago, 1638 01:41:25.279 --> 01:41:27.439 he went to church. And then it was the guy 1639 01:41:27.479 --> 01:41:30.760 who came and uh he asked him to come to church. 1640 01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:33.319 So he came and checked out the church and uh talking, 1641 01:41:33.479 --> 01:41:35.159 he was like, man, you got And then he told him, 1642 01:41:35.199 --> 01:41:38.159 he said, look, you guys claim to be spiritual. You 1643 01:41:38.279 --> 01:41:41.239 guys are talking in tongues, praying in the Holy spirit, 1644 01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:44.560 healing people, dancing in the church. You guys are just 1645 01:41:44.640 --> 01:41:47.359 getting into the spirit of God. But you you can't 1646 01:41:47.399 --> 01:41:49.239 even move in the gift of discernment. He said, what 1647 01:41:49.279 --> 01:41:52.439 are you talking about? He said, you have registered sex 1648 01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:56.159 offenders in the church, and you're letting your kids run 1649 01:41:56.239 --> 01:41:59.680 around because it's a community almost effort almost, and you're 1650 01:41:59.720 --> 01:42:02.119 letting your kids run around and your kids are sitting 1651 01:42:02.199 --> 01:42:05.239 in the laps of registered sex offenders, and you guys 1652 01:42:05.359 --> 01:42:08.199 cannot even discern it. You don't even know that. But 1653 01:42:08.319 --> 01:42:11.239 you're so spiritual you're so deep, you're so connected with 1654 01:42:11.359 --> 01:42:14.199 God or hearing God or God told me this, you know, 1655 01:42:14.319 --> 01:42:17.239 these type of things, but you can't discern the pedophiles 1656 01:42:17.319 --> 01:42:20.720 and sexIf registered sex offenders in your church and your 1657 01:42:20.800 --> 01:42:23.640 kids are sitting in their lap and they're sitting on 1658 01:42:23.720 --> 01:42:27.439 your on their knees, and they're you know, playing with 1659 01:42:27.520 --> 01:42:30.800 the kids in the church. And so that that really 1660 01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:33.760 punched him, man, It hit hit home with him, and 1661 01:42:33.840 --> 01:42:36.119 he shared that with me, and it always rang true 1662 01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:38.279 to me because I've known stuff like that too, of 1663 01:42:38.399 --> 01:42:41.359 just these people who go to church and they're accepted 1664 01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:45.000 and you know, I've seen trust me, man, like I've 1665 01:42:45.119 --> 01:42:50.039 seen so much. There's a lot of delusional people in 1666 01:42:50.239 --> 01:42:52.479 churches too. There's a lot of them in the New 1667 01:42:52.520 --> 01:42:55.439 Age movement, There's a lot of them in Islam. Look 1668 01:42:55.439 --> 01:42:57.279 at what these guys are doing. These people are killing 1669 01:42:57.359 --> 01:43:00.399 theirselfs over their religion and killing other people peop and 1670 01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:03.119 doing harm to other people, racist people, people in the 1671 01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:06.439 klu Klux Klan, black Hebrew Israelites, like on every asset 1672 01:43:06.840 --> 01:43:10.159 the aspect, there's us extremist out there, and it's about 1673 01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:12.359 just trying to find balance and trying to find peace 1674 01:43:12.399 --> 01:43:16.039 and harmony and be that light into the world. That's 1675 01:43:16.239 --> 01:43:18.720 essentially what it's about. But in the midst of that, 1676 01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:21.439 we have to be careful. We have to use discernment. 1677 01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:24.720 Pray for discernment. That's a spiritual gift. Like in your 1678 01:43:24.760 --> 01:43:27.760 spirit you can know that, hey, this isn't right. God 1679 01:43:27.840 --> 01:43:29.960 will tell you stuff about people. I mean, that's what 1680 01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:32.880 we're going to be speaking on on the School of 1681 01:43:32.920 --> 01:43:35.319 the Mystics tonight is how to hear that voice of 1682 01:43:35.359 --> 01:43:37.760 God in your life for what people are going through, 1683 01:43:38.880 --> 01:43:44.359 business decisions, relationship decisions like hearing God, being able to 1684 01:43:44.439 --> 01:43:47.199 discern the spirits that are on other people like you 1685 01:43:47.279 --> 01:43:50.079 can do that. That's part of it. It's very practical. 1686 01:43:50.880 --> 01:43:54.279 It's practice. Isn't just theories and cool stuff or what 1687 01:43:54.479 --> 01:43:56.920 if it's real? No, this stuff is real. It's tangible 1688 01:43:57.319 --> 01:43:59.439 and if you can't apply it to your life, if 1689 01:43:59.479 --> 01:44:02.680 it cannot help you or the people around you, then 1690 01:44:02.720 --> 01:44:04.279 I really don't want to talk about it. And so 1691 01:44:04.399 --> 01:44:09.439 there's some somewhat of a tangible experience in each every 1692 01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:11.640 one of these interviews that I do, I try to 1693 01:44:11.800 --> 01:44:14.520 take something from it. I mean, even this discussion with 1694 01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:18.000 David Curtis today, it's like this guy is seventy three 1695 01:44:18.119 --> 01:44:21.119 years old and to see where he is and to 1696 01:44:21.159 --> 01:44:24.439 see his life's pass very similar to mine, Like those 1697 01:44:24.520 --> 01:44:27.960 experiences he's had and the conclusions he's come to, and 1698 01:44:28.079 --> 01:44:30.760 it still seems like he's just still seeking, Like now, 1699 01:44:30.880 --> 01:44:34.640 what is the thing? Like, what's the absolute? I think 1700 01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:37.039 I found the absolute? Like I think I know what 1701 01:44:37.079 --> 01:44:40.600 it's about. For me, it's simply knowing God and making 1702 01:44:40.720 --> 01:44:44.840 him known, letting people know about this gospel that God 1703 01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:46.720 loves you and He's got a plan for you and 1704 01:44:46.840 --> 01:44:49.319 you can encounter God that you have a purpose for 1705 01:44:49.439 --> 01:44:51.600 your life and a plan for your life. And in 1706 01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:54.159 that and through that, there's so much other stuff. Whatever 1707 01:44:54.640 --> 01:44:58.399 your life calling is, to be, whatever you desire to 1708 01:44:58.479 --> 01:45:00.760 do with your life, all of that stuff is kind 1709 01:45:00.760 --> 01:45:05.000 of woven throughout that message. But the messages is an 1710 01:45:05.000 --> 01:45:07.720 empowerment of the Good news Man and so of a 1711 01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:12.039 that you're not alone, right, and so like that's that's 1712 01:45:12.159 --> 01:45:14.800 my end all, Like that's my agenda in the midst 1713 01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:17.279 of having these conversations with people, is to share my 1714 01:45:17.399 --> 01:45:19.920 story and uh and see how it relates and really 1715 01:45:19.960 --> 01:45:22.279 get deep down into the into the essence of the 1716 01:45:22.359 --> 01:45:24.359 of the mind of the psyche and and what people 1717 01:45:24.399 --> 01:45:28.880 are going through and uh, people who need help, people 1718 01:45:29.039 --> 01:45:31.239 like this guy who uh you know, sent me death 1719 01:45:31.279 --> 01:45:33.399 threats and stuff like that. I try to put myself 1720 01:45:33.439 --> 01:45:36.960 out there, you know. I try to put myself and 1721 01:45:37.039 --> 01:45:39.840 I had I have discernment with them. That's my problem, 1722 01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:41.640 and not just me, but most of the people I 1723 01:45:42.159 --> 01:45:45.079 run with in my circle, is that we have compassion 1724 01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:47.960 for others. We uh, we know that the churches have 1725 01:45:48.079 --> 01:45:50.960 kicked these guys out, we know that they've been booted 1726 01:45:51.079 --> 01:45:54.000 from society and their outcasts, but hey, those are the 1727 01:45:54.079 --> 01:45:57.319 people that God uses man, so we have a compassion 1728 01:45:57.399 --> 01:46:00.600 for them. And because we've been there, we've been and 1729 01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:02.520 I don't want to kick this guy wan he's down. 1730 01:46:02.680 --> 01:46:04.760 I've been there. I've got the calm and to prove it. 1731 01:46:05.199 --> 01:46:07.800 You know. I've done that to people and it's been 1732 01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:10.239 done to me, and I would not wish that upon anyone. 1733 01:46:10.279 --> 01:46:12.800 That's why I try to go above and beyond to 1734 01:46:12.920 --> 01:46:16.800 extend my hand. But you bite me when I extend 1735 01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:18.920 my hand out there, and we're done. I can't mess 1736 01:46:19.000 --> 01:46:21.000 with you. I can't like if I keep if I 1737 01:46:21.039 --> 01:46:23.319 go out there and pick up a snake and the 1738 01:46:23.399 --> 01:46:26.159 snake bites me, who's the blame me or the snake? 1739 01:46:26.840 --> 01:46:28.319 Especially if I go out there and do it again, 1740 01:46:28.880 --> 01:46:30.760 keep getting bit by the same snake. No, you got 1741 01:46:30.840 --> 01:46:33.640 to use wisdom and discernment. Man, with all things. The 1742 01:46:33.720 --> 01:46:38.079 scriptures is deep on this. And the scripture talks about 1743 01:46:38.199 --> 01:46:41.960 giving people over to Satan. Let that sink in. What 1744 01:46:42.039 --> 01:46:45.399 does that mean? Giving them over to Satan? It's really 1745 01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:48.359 just pulling your hands back. Look, man, it's you and God, 1746 01:46:49.000 --> 01:46:51.680 you and Satan essentially, Like I'm gonna have to give 1747 01:46:51.720 --> 01:46:55.039 you over to what's what's ailing you and let let 1748 01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:57.039 you let you deal with that for a while and 1749 01:46:57.079 --> 01:46:58.920 see what happens, and see see what you come to. 1750 01:46:59.399 --> 01:47:02.199 And God as a way of wooing the hearts hearts 1751 01:47:02.239 --> 01:47:05.760 of people and and and setting up situations and sending 1752 01:47:05.880 --> 01:47:09.039 demons into your life and and downfall and things to 1753 01:47:09.119 --> 01:47:11.640 let you know that he's the way, Like He's the 1754 01:47:11.720 --> 01:47:15.760 only only place you're gonna find serenity and solace is 1755 01:47:15.960 --> 01:47:19.720 in him, this relationship with God, and that that's what 1756 01:47:19.800 --> 01:47:22.479 it's about. So with this brother, I pray for him, 1757 01:47:22.600 --> 01:47:24.479 I release him, you know all that stuff. And I 1758 01:47:25.039 --> 01:47:27.840 believe that, Uh, you know, I want his best days 1759 01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:30.159 to be ahead of him. I want him to get clean, 1760 01:47:30.239 --> 01:47:31.800 I want him to be happy. I want him to 1761 01:47:31.880 --> 01:47:34.920 be in his kid's life and things like that. I 1762 01:47:35.039 --> 01:47:38.680 hate the fact that everybody you know doesn't get the 1763 01:47:38.760 --> 01:47:40.920 happy ending which I was talking about. I believe in that. 1764 01:47:41.239 --> 01:47:44.760 I fight for that. I I make every I don't 1765 01:47:44.840 --> 01:47:48.479 live for the moment. I try not to. I try 1766 01:47:48.520 --> 01:47:51.479 to try to make every decision with the future, in 1767 01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:54.800 mind of my future, of my daughter, my wife, my friends, 1768 01:47:54.920 --> 01:47:57.359 my family, even myself to kind of set myself up 1769 01:47:57.600 --> 01:48:01.760 of like planting something today that comes into manifestation, like 1770 01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:04.600 building the life that we want, the vision that we 1771 01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:08.199 have of ourselves. When we go into meditation and you 1772 01:48:08.359 --> 01:48:10.439 get these visions of yourself and what you want to 1773 01:48:10.479 --> 01:48:13.359 do and why you're here, what is my purpose? And 1774 01:48:13.439 --> 01:48:15.720 then you're so far removed from that purpose that you 1775 01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:18.479 see yourself in the astral realms, it's like, Okay, what 1776 01:48:18.640 --> 01:48:22.000 can I do to achieve that? What can I do 1777 01:48:22.479 --> 01:48:27.680 to actually tap into that? And there's things practical things 1778 01:48:27.720 --> 01:48:29.720 you can do to be whatever you want, whatever you're 1779 01:48:29.720 --> 01:48:33.000 called to be, and aligning yourself with the universe or 1780 01:48:33.079 --> 01:48:38.279 with God. God works with you. He doesn't work against you. 1781 01:48:38.479 --> 01:48:40.840 He doesn't unit it's not mad at you. And we 1782 01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:42.880 talk about the universe and God. That's a whole nother 1783 01:48:43.279 --> 01:48:46.600 thing too. I've been just kind of contemplating. You know, 1784 01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:48.720 some people like to say God. You go in New 1785 01:48:48.760 --> 01:48:50.840 Age circles, they don't want you to say God because 1786 01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:53.279 they think you're being religious. But you know, we're talking 1787 01:48:53.279 --> 01:48:56.880 about God in the universe, trying to use it interchangeably. 1788 01:48:56.960 --> 01:48:58.800 But I don't think it's the same thing. I think 1789 01:48:58.840 --> 01:49:03.159 that God created the universe. That's two different things. And 1790 01:49:03.319 --> 01:49:05.720 we talk about the universe. That's that's not something that 1791 01:49:05.960 --> 01:49:09.920 uh that loves you or something that's tangible, something that 1792 01:49:10.119 --> 01:49:14.479 cares about you. God is is personable, likes I have 1793 01:49:14.520 --> 01:49:19.279 a relationship with the loving God, with the spirit realm. Right. 1794 01:49:19.439 --> 01:49:24.239 So we're talking about people getting offended or not wanting 1795 01:49:24.359 --> 01:49:26.680 to be you know, not wanting to talk about God 1796 01:49:26.800 --> 01:49:28.520 or whatever the case is. I've been, you know, I've 1797 01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:30.279 went through that whole thing. I go into a lot 1798 01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:32.960 of New Age broadcast and shows and they have me 1799 01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:36.960 on even within myself. But it is what it is, man, 1800 01:49:37.079 --> 01:49:38.880 It's about God. And if you want to call it 1801 01:49:38.960 --> 01:49:41.279 the universe, but I think the universe. God created you 1802 01:49:41.399 --> 01:49:43.760 the universe, and uh, you know what I'm saying. So 1803 01:49:43.880 --> 01:49:46.159 there's a difference there. That's as a tangent. But uh, 1804 01:49:46.520 --> 01:49:48.439 some of these other questions here in the chat room, 1805 01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:50.600 and see all it is his interview is going to 1806 01:49:50.640 --> 01:49:52.399 be really soon, guys. All it is we did a 1807 01:49:52.479 --> 01:49:54.960 song together too, so make sure y'all check that out 1808 01:49:55.399 --> 01:49:58.600 A L L I T I Z just typing all 1809 01:49:58.680 --> 01:50:01.760 it is one word on YouTube with truth Ceca and 1810 01:50:01.800 --> 01:50:03.199 you can check out the new song that we did 1811 01:50:03.239 --> 01:50:07.079 about UFOs and the spirit Realm, some awesome stuff we 1812 01:50:07.399 --> 01:50:10.159 went into. But he says here in the chat he says, 1813 01:50:10.199 --> 01:50:14.119 I believe we all have a uh a. He says, 1814 01:50:14.159 --> 01:50:16.960 I believe we all have a live detector built in 1815 01:50:17.279 --> 01:50:19.560 into our spirit. We just have to learn how to 1816 01:50:19.680 --> 01:50:22.840 listen to it. Yep, we can. We can sense things 1817 01:50:22.920 --> 01:50:28.000 and like I say, we right, So I think the 1818 01:50:28.239 --> 01:50:31.720 I think that different people have different giftings and different abilities, 1819 01:50:31.760 --> 01:50:33.319 and it talks about this in the Bible, and it 1820 01:50:33.319 --> 01:50:35.880 talks about the gift of discernment and it says that 1821 01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:38.479 I know we want to say we because we do 1822 01:50:38.840 --> 01:50:41.159 like you do I do, and you know people who do, 1823 01:50:41.359 --> 01:50:44.600 but maybe some people don't. Maybe some people have other 1824 01:50:44.720 --> 01:50:50.279 giftings and they're better at utilizing those gifts and for 1825 01:50:50.399 --> 01:50:53.399 the body. So we all come together, Okay, truth cicca 1826 01:50:53.479 --> 01:50:55.960 and all it is. You guys are good at discernment. 1827 01:50:56.279 --> 01:50:59.800 Here's somebody else who's good at speaking. Here's somebody all 1828 01:50:59.800 --> 01:51:02.840 there who has a gift of planning and bringing people together. 1829 01:51:03.119 --> 01:51:05.079 All of these are gifts within the Bible. The gift 1830 01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:08.439 of administration making things happen, the gift of healing, the 1831 01:51:08.479 --> 01:51:11.239 gift of prophecy, the gift of speaking in tongues. Obviously, 1832 01:51:11.359 --> 01:51:13.159 I think we all can kind of tap into all 1833 01:51:13.239 --> 01:51:16.760 of those areas. But we talk about the body when 1834 01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:19.319 we all come together, and all of us are good 1835 01:51:19.359 --> 01:51:23.039 at these things. Trust me. When the Church and in 1836 01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:25.319 the Book of Acts, this is what they did. They 1837 01:51:25.359 --> 01:51:27.359 were all good at these different things. They came together 1838 01:51:27.439 --> 01:51:30.279 and they function and they changed the generation, They changed 1839 01:51:30.319 --> 01:51:32.880 everybody they came in contact with. It was not like 1840 01:51:33.119 --> 01:51:35.640 it was not like an agenda driven thing of hey, 1841 01:51:35.720 --> 01:51:38.359 look at me, some of that came into play, but 1842 01:51:38.439 --> 01:51:42.199 they addressed it and they dealt with it, and they 1843 01:51:42.279 --> 01:51:43.800 did it. The best way that they knew how. But 1844 01:51:43.880 --> 01:51:49.239 we're talking about spiritual giftings. We're talking about other some 1845 01:51:49.359 --> 01:51:52.600 people good at divination, of tapping into the spirit realm, 1846 01:51:52.800 --> 01:51:57.279 casting lots and these spiritual practice and this whole artillery 1847 01:51:57.399 --> 01:51:59.720 that they had, man and when they rolled together and 1848 01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:03.560 they were on one accord, you couldn't stop them. And 1849 01:52:03.680 --> 01:52:05.640 we can we can still build like that. We can 1850 01:52:05.760 --> 01:52:08.199 work with that when we when we come together on 1851 01:52:08.319 --> 01:52:11.760 one accord. So for one man of Trusigo or whoever 1852 01:52:11.920 --> 01:52:14.920 show or podcast or teacher you listen to, who claims 1853 01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:16.800 to have it figured out and they want to be 1854 01:52:16.880 --> 01:52:19.479 the master teacher. Some people call themselves the master teacher. 1855 01:52:19.520 --> 01:52:21.479 I've been getting a lot of links from this guy 1856 01:52:21.560 --> 01:52:23.880 out there they call him. He calls himself the master teacher. 1857 01:52:23.920 --> 01:52:29.319 And I've known many master teachers on YouTube. But it's 1858 01:52:29.359 --> 01:52:32.399 about it's about a community man. Anytime that one man 1859 01:52:32.720 --> 01:52:36.520 is exalted, anytime that even like in a church setting, 1860 01:52:36.800 --> 01:52:39.319 when the pastor is the go to guy, well, my 1861 01:52:39.479 --> 01:52:41.720 pastor said this, My pastor is the man of God 1862 01:52:41.760 --> 01:52:44.359 over my life. Blah blah blah blah blah. That's demonic. 1863 01:52:44.880 --> 01:52:46.680 It's straight to mindic. You can learn from that person, 1864 01:52:46.760 --> 01:52:50.319 he could be a shepherd. But really, essentially God, the 1865 01:52:50.399 --> 01:52:53.720 Holy Spirit, Jesus is the shepherd. But it's when we 1866 01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:57.600 come together, when we all come together, it's about a community. 1867 01:52:58.239 --> 01:53:02.680 It's about the body of Christ. It's about the flower 1868 01:53:02.720 --> 01:53:05.119 of life, all of us being an expression of God. 1869 01:53:05.439 --> 01:53:09.119 And when we come together, we formulate the body of 1870 01:53:09.239 --> 01:53:12.439 Christ on earth, the body of Love, right, the body 1871 01:53:12.560 --> 01:53:17.439 of what. It says that if two or three, if 1872 01:53:17.479 --> 01:53:20.199 two or three gether in my name, there I am 1873 01:53:20.319 --> 01:53:24.159 in the midst. So as you come together, you essentially 1874 01:53:24.319 --> 01:53:28.039 formulate Jesus on the earth. You are the manifestations of 1875 01:53:28.119 --> 01:53:32.000 the sons of God. That's what it's about. It's about 1876 01:53:32.039 --> 01:53:34.479 coming together. It's about walking in the spirit of unity, 1877 01:53:34.840 --> 01:53:38.920 in the spirit of love. Man, that's just what That's 1878 01:53:39.039 --> 01:53:40.399 just I wanted to kind of give you guys some 1879 01:53:40.520 --> 01:53:43.039 insight on what I've been going through this week also 1880 01:53:43.199 --> 01:53:45.600 to maybe I want to speak on this too. This 1881 01:53:45.800 --> 01:53:47.600 is for the This is for the fathers out there 1882 01:53:47.680 --> 01:53:49.880 and the mothers too. But there's something I've got this 1883 01:53:50.079 --> 01:53:52.279 on on my wrisk for you guys who can see 1884 01:53:52.319 --> 01:53:54.399 this on on the video end. But I've got a 1885 01:53:55.000 --> 01:53:56.960 I've got a pink tag on my wrist. It's just 1886 01:53:57.039 --> 01:53:59.439 get their uh something. I want to encourage you guys 1887 01:53:59.479 --> 01:54:02.319 man this stuff. It's practical. Man. There's something that I 1888 01:54:02.399 --> 01:54:04.000 do that I want to pass down to you guys 1889 01:54:04.079 --> 01:54:06.920 to do if you don't. At least one day a year, 1890 01:54:07.520 --> 01:54:11.319 I take my daughter out to something I call Daddy 1891 01:54:11.399 --> 01:54:14.119 Daughter Day, and it's usually check her out of school. 1892 01:54:14.199 --> 01:54:15.760 I let her go for a couple hours and she 1893 01:54:15.920 --> 01:54:18.359 doesn't know it. I have this day planned where I 1894 01:54:18.439 --> 01:54:20.439 pick her up, we go, ride go carts, we go, 1895 01:54:20.960 --> 01:54:23.840 have lunch somewhere special, and we go to the movies 1896 01:54:23.920 --> 01:54:26.439 or whatever the case is. But I did one yesterday 1897 01:54:26.560 --> 01:54:30.279 so or the day before, and so I wanted to 1898 01:54:30.319 --> 01:54:33.079 talk about that a little bit. I this I want. 1899 01:54:33.319 --> 01:54:35.359 I want to talk about that to encourage you guys 1900 01:54:35.399 --> 01:54:37.520 to do this. Whether if you're a father, if your mother, 1901 01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:40.880 spend a few dollars and you got to be you 1902 01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:42.720 do it for less than one hundred bucks man, just 1903 01:54:43.079 --> 01:54:44.800 to spend time. I mean do it and even go 1904 01:54:44.880 --> 01:54:47.800 on a walk, going to nature hike, you know, on 1905 01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:50.079 just like a beautiful day. Check them out of school, 1906 01:54:50.159 --> 01:54:52.039 go spend time with just you and them. Not not 1907 01:54:52.239 --> 01:54:56.159 not both parents just one. Uh and so go get 1908 01:54:56.159 --> 01:54:58.840 your kid, take them out. Day before yesterday, I took 1909 01:54:58.880 --> 01:55:01.119 my daughter, went and got her, got some lunch, had 1910 01:55:01.359 --> 01:55:04.119 a good lunch. Then we went to this place called 1911 01:55:04.199 --> 01:55:07.640 get Air, which is a trampoline spot. And we went 1912 01:55:07.720 --> 01:55:10.199 there and I wanted to plan it. I'm trying to 1913 01:55:10.239 --> 01:55:12.520 plan it out with a movie because there was a 1914 01:55:12.560 --> 01:55:14.199 movie I wanted to go see and take her to 1915 01:55:14.279 --> 01:55:17.399 the spot. But we went there to jump on these trampolines. 1916 01:55:17.399 --> 01:55:19.359 It's trampoline park. And we were the only people there. 1917 01:55:19.720 --> 01:55:21.479 Went there right when it opens. I mean, how many 1918 01:55:21.560 --> 01:55:24.119 kids are there at noon, you know, on a Tuesday. 1919 01:55:25.039 --> 01:55:27.239 So we went to the trampoline park and we jn't 1920 01:55:27.239 --> 01:55:30.359 We had the whole place to ourselves. Man, this whole 1921 01:55:30.640 --> 01:55:32.760 trampoline It was twenty bucks. I think it was twenty bucks, 1922 01:55:32.880 --> 01:55:34.920 like twenty six bucks for us to do that. We 1923 01:55:35.079 --> 01:55:38.000 went there and spent an hour and then we went 1924 01:55:38.079 --> 01:55:40.319 and seen a movie and then went and got ice 1925 01:55:40.399 --> 01:55:42.359 cream or whatever. But it's just something like that that 1926 01:55:42.479 --> 01:55:45.399 I just encourage you guys. Man, this stuff is practical. 1927 01:55:45.560 --> 01:55:47.840 Just you know, time is precious. Time is of the 1928 01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:50.760 essence as well. And I want to encourage you guys 1929 01:55:50.800 --> 01:55:52.479 to do that. Go go check your kid out of 1930 01:55:52.520 --> 01:55:53.119 school one day. 1931 01:55:53.159 --> 01:55:53.279 Man. 1932 01:55:53.359 --> 01:55:54.760 It don't take a lot of money, so I don't 1933 01:55:54.880 --> 01:55:56.319 even if you ain't got no money. Man, you can 1934 01:55:56.359 --> 01:55:57.880 go for a walk, you can go to the park 1935 01:55:57.960 --> 01:55:59.960 and just get on the slide. Whatever it is. 1936 01:56:00.119 --> 01:56:00.239 Man. 1937 01:56:00.279 --> 01:56:05.720 But this stuff is practical, man, So I'm reading all 1938 01:56:05.800 --> 01:56:08.479 it is, he says, He says, He says, great idea. 1939 01:56:08.600 --> 01:56:11.560 I'll do it with my five year old soon. He says. 1940 01:56:11.600 --> 01:56:14.159 We gotta get air in Michigan too, and might have 1941 01:56:14.279 --> 01:56:16.159 to try that much love truth. Yeah, I do it 1942 01:56:16.199 --> 01:56:18.359 when nobody's there too, man, so it's not crowded and 1943 01:56:18.520 --> 01:56:21.640 kids are just you know, knocking everybody down and all 1944 01:56:21.680 --> 01:56:23.119 that kind of stuff. But it was fun just to 1945 01:56:23.199 --> 01:56:25.399 have the whole place to ourselves, man, And I try 1946 01:56:25.399 --> 01:56:27.319 to do it once a year every year. It's not playing. 1947 01:56:27.399 --> 01:56:31.159 She don't know it. It's a surprise. She comes you know, 1948 01:56:31.399 --> 01:56:33.520 she's in school, comes out. It's like here we're going, 1949 01:56:33.920 --> 01:56:36.760 and I had everything prepared. I love I love surprises, man. 1950 01:56:36.760 --> 01:56:39.119 I've been able to surprise my wife and my daughter 1951 01:56:39.199 --> 01:56:42.399 on many different occasions, and that I like, I just 1952 01:56:42.560 --> 01:56:45.239 love it. I love surprises, man, good surprises. Put it 1953 01:56:45.279 --> 01:56:47.359 that way. I've had enough bad surprises in my life. 1954 01:56:47.439 --> 01:56:52.720 So it's all about the good surprises and making them laugh, 1955 01:56:52.800 --> 01:56:56.399 bringing smiles to people's faces, in their face, That's what 1956 01:56:56.479 --> 01:56:58.319 I do if I don't do anything else. Man, As 1957 01:56:58.359 --> 01:57:00.720 a father, I try to I try to, uh, you know, 1958 01:57:00.840 --> 01:57:03.000 be lighthearted, to make them laugh and make them smile. 1959 01:57:03.199 --> 01:57:04.760 You know, in the world out there that can be 1960 01:57:04.920 --> 01:57:08.600 uh can be hard and cold hearted at times. I 1961 01:57:08.680 --> 01:57:10.760 try to keep things like even with you guys, man, 1962 01:57:10.760 --> 01:57:13.239 I try to bring something to the table that's gonna 1963 01:57:13.720 --> 01:57:16.079 encourage you. Guys. It's gonna better your life. It's gonna, 1964 01:57:16.359 --> 01:57:17.840 you know what I'm saying, make this walk a little 1965 01:57:17.880 --> 01:57:20.119 bit easier, make it a little bit more enjoyable. I 1966 01:57:20.159 --> 01:57:23.560 think we're supposed to enjoy life. I remember going through 1967 01:57:23.600 --> 01:57:27.399 spirituality as a Christian and as like the Gnostic traditions, 1968 01:57:27.479 --> 01:57:29.760 even they teach that you're not supposed to enjoy life, 1969 01:57:29.840 --> 01:57:32.920 that you're supposed to like be a suffering servant or 1970 01:57:32.960 --> 01:57:36.479 what even in like like the five percenters they call 1971 01:57:36.560 --> 01:57:39.920 the poor righteous teachers like and and that was like 1972 01:57:40.359 --> 01:57:42.000 I thought, that's what you had to be. You couldn't 1973 01:57:42.039 --> 01:57:43.960 enjoy life. You wasn't supposed to have money. You wasn't 1974 01:57:43.960 --> 01:57:46.520 supposed to have wealth or or be happy and stuff. 1975 01:57:46.520 --> 01:57:49.560 But that's man, that's so it's demonic, man, it's not 1976 01:57:49.720 --> 01:57:52.920 of God. Man, everything is beautiful. To enjoy everything in life. 1977 01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:55.920 But to really reach that spirituality where you can go 1978 01:57:56.039 --> 01:57:58.479 out and just sit in nature and be okay, well 1979 01:57:58.479 --> 01:58:00.359 you can go and do that walk with your family, 1980 01:58:00.439 --> 01:58:02.479 or walk through the forest in the cool of the 1981 01:58:02.560 --> 01:58:05.720 day and just enjoy it and feel connected with everything 1982 01:58:05.840 --> 01:58:08.319 there man, spirituality, and let you do that, and to 1983 01:58:08.479 --> 01:58:11.279 know that you're one with all creation, with God, the 1984 01:58:11.359 --> 01:58:14.359 Holy Spirit which is there with you, with your breath 1985 01:58:14.399 --> 01:58:16.640 as you're able to breathe in out in nature. Maybe 1986 01:58:16.680 --> 01:58:19.119 even we've went hiking. I remember, I take my shoes 1987 01:58:19.159 --> 01:58:21.399 off and I go barefoot hiking with the family and 1988 01:58:21.479 --> 01:58:24.720 we just connecting with the earth and the energies, getting grounded, 1989 01:58:24.760 --> 01:58:27.439 putting our feet on the ground, like really connecting. It 1990 01:58:27.520 --> 01:58:29.920 don't cost money, like it's free to do a lot 1991 01:58:29.960 --> 01:58:32.600 of this stuff, man, And that's what it's about man. 1992 01:58:32.560 --> 01:58:32.760 To be. 1993 01:58:34.640 --> 01:58:36.760 To live in the moment, because that's all you have. 1994 01:58:36.920 --> 01:58:40.079 You don't have tomorrow. You don't have yesterday. Yesterday's gone, 1995 01:58:40.319 --> 01:58:42.640 but to be in the moment. Like I always point out, 1996 01:58:42.680 --> 01:58:45.720 Ekhart totally is a millionaire off of teaching people how 1997 01:58:45.760 --> 01:58:47.960 to live in the now moment and how to find 1998 01:58:48.000 --> 01:58:50.319 that power in the now moment. That's why I talk 1999 01:58:50.359 --> 01:58:53.640 about meditation. It's about focusing on the moment. We go 2000 01:58:53.760 --> 01:58:57.159 into those realms, we get the vision for ourselves in 2001 01:58:57.359 --> 01:59:00.199 the now moment, there is no tomorrow. We talk by 2002 01:59:00.279 --> 01:59:03.920 going on being set on autopilot and just living life 2003 01:59:04.520 --> 01:59:07.239 the mundane over and over and then even with my family, 2004 01:59:07.399 --> 01:59:10.199 like even though like I do this stuff, it can 2005 01:59:10.640 --> 01:59:13.479 I can still get on autopilot and my family can 2006 01:59:13.640 --> 01:59:16.479 do it. My daughter goes to school, comes home, does homework, 2007 01:59:16.600 --> 01:59:19.279 we get dinner, we eat, we spend some time together, 2008 01:59:19.439 --> 01:59:22.319 I do a podcast, whatever, And it can be monotonous. 2009 01:59:22.399 --> 01:59:24.279 You get into the monotony of life. So you got 2010 01:59:24.399 --> 01:59:26.399 to switch it up. You gotta grab and shake things up, 2011 01:59:26.439 --> 01:59:29.560 even for yourself. Man, turn that autopilot switch off. I 2012 01:59:29.640 --> 01:59:32.000 did it for years when I was working. In weeks 2013 01:59:32.000 --> 01:59:36.199 would pass man and I'm just like just going just living, 2014 01:59:36.359 --> 01:59:38.600 just doing it. And a lot of times it would 2015 01:59:38.680 --> 01:59:40.640 come to play because it would make it worse because 2016 01:59:40.640 --> 01:59:43.800 I'd have something I was looking forward to a month out, 2017 01:59:44.000 --> 01:59:47.319 two months out, six weeks from now, whether it's Christmas. 2018 01:59:47.359 --> 01:59:49.000 You know, you get close to Christmas, you're like, man, 2019 01:59:49.000 --> 01:59:51.680 I can't wait till Christmas or your birthday. Or you 2020 01:59:51.800 --> 01:59:54.279 go into a concert and you get on autopilot because 2021 01:59:54.279 --> 01:59:58.079 you want that event to come quicker. So you have 2022 01:59:58.199 --> 01:59:59.680 to shake yourself. You have to get out of that 2023 01:59:59.720 --> 02:00:02.520 auto pilot and don't let the moment pass you by. 2024 02:00:02.640 --> 02:00:07.520 To be present in the moment and make those memories. 2025 02:00:07.600 --> 02:00:11.479 Man on, Like, make those memory That's what it's about it. 2026 02:00:11.520 --> 02:00:14.720 I have to. It's a stump, man, it's a slump 2027 02:00:14.800 --> 02:00:18.680 to fall into. I've gotten there. And then it's you know, mindfulness, meditation, 2028 02:00:18.960 --> 02:00:21.039 all of that helps to do that and just the 2029 02:00:21.159 --> 02:00:25.560 walking gratitude. Start looking at your life and just find 2030 02:00:25.600 --> 02:00:27.319 the things in your life that you can be thankful for. 2031 02:00:28.079 --> 02:00:33.680 Starting with your breath. Take that deep breath in Holy Spirit. 2032 02:00:33.760 --> 02:00:35.079 And a lot of times I can take that breath 2033 02:00:35.119 --> 02:00:37.800 and I just feel the Holy Spirit when I breathe. 2034 02:00:38.239 --> 02:00:40.840 It's the breath, it's the pneuma. It says Jesus breathed 2035 02:00:40.920 --> 02:00:44.199 upon his disciples they receive the Holy Spirit. We could 2036 02:00:44.239 --> 02:00:46.560 tap into the breath that's the life force. Without that breath, 2037 02:00:46.680 --> 02:00:49.279 you don't exist, you're not animated. This is the breath 2038 02:00:49.359 --> 02:00:53.479 that animates all life. So it's as simple as that 2039 02:00:53.600 --> 02:00:56.119 being thankful for every little thing that we have and 2040 02:00:56.279 --> 02:01:01.079 just our limbs, our health, our family, our friends, you know, 2041 02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:03.319 whatever you have in your life that you're thankful for. 2042 02:01:03.479 --> 02:01:06.359 Man to really sit in all of that and then 2043 02:01:06.439 --> 02:01:10.119 to even speak it out express it, we said, we're 2044 02:01:10.159 --> 02:01:14.359 not talking about a theory. We're talking about or just 2045 02:01:14.439 --> 02:01:18.039 a god who is distant. We're talking about this relationship 2046 02:01:18.199 --> 02:01:22.359 with with the creator that longs for a relationship with you, 2047 02:01:22.479 --> 02:01:24.319 that wants to hang out with you, that wants you 2048 02:01:24.479 --> 02:01:28.159 to tell him or it your your feelings or your 2049 02:01:28.239 --> 02:01:31.119 fears and confess your thoughts to him so he can 2050 02:01:31.159 --> 02:01:33.520 take him. He takes all that, man, and that's what 2051 02:01:33.640 --> 02:01:40.640 it's about. So let me see. So, yeah, thank you 2052 02:01:40.800 --> 02:01:44.319 everybody who's supporting my work. Little Tea in the chat room, 2053 02:01:44.800 --> 02:01:51.079 Andrew Jackson, Christy folks, all of this funo matrix, everybody, 2054 02:01:51.199 --> 02:01:53.279 Chris Garner, which Chris Garner has been hanging out for 2055 02:01:53.279 --> 02:02:03.319 a while too. Everyt Kathy Catherine, Kathleen, a little bit 2056 02:02:03.359 --> 02:02:05.239 of everybody man. Thank you guys for hanging out with 2057 02:02:05.359 --> 02:02:08.359 me today. Thank you again for supporting my work. I 2058 02:02:08.399 --> 02:02:11.359 couldn't do it without you. A little bit goes a 2059 02:02:11.399 --> 02:02:13.439 long way doing this stuff. You guys know, I do 2060 02:02:13.560 --> 02:02:16.199 the podcasts free to consume. I used to. I used 2061 02:02:16.199 --> 02:02:18.039 to only I used to do an hour free and 2062 02:02:18.119 --> 02:02:21.119 then the second half was for paid members. But now 2063 02:02:21.560 --> 02:02:24.439 like I just do the whole thing free. So yeah, 2064 02:02:24.600 --> 02:02:27.079 your support really helps me. So if you guys want 2065 02:02:27.119 --> 02:02:31.119 me to continue doing these podcasts, doing these shows, continue 2066 02:02:31.159 --> 02:02:34.960 making music, head on over to Patreon dot com, backslash, Trustika, 2067 02:02:35.319 --> 02:02:37.520 and there you can sign up for any level of giving. 2068 02:02:38.439 --> 02:02:40.720 Got my music. There you know all the new music 2069 02:02:40.760 --> 02:02:43.239 that I'm working on. It's already available. If you're a patron. 2070 02:02:43.520 --> 02:02:45.319 I got a new album coming out. The pre order 2071 02:02:45.479 --> 02:02:49.000 is available. Now you get order, you get entered into 2072 02:02:49.039 --> 02:02:51.279 a contest to win this big Wall flag, and I'm 2073 02:02:51.399 --> 02:02:55.680 signing every pre order that comes through. So the album 2074 02:02:55.760 --> 02:02:59.359 will be released on April the twentieth. We're also doing 2075 02:02:59.560 --> 02:03:03.399 a album release party, so if anybody wants to come 2076 02:03:03.479 --> 02:03:06.319 to the concert that we're doing, I'll be performing live 2077 02:03:06.960 --> 02:03:10.039 and it's a free concert inside of house. It's gonna 2078 02:03:10.039 --> 02:03:12.359 be awesome. House shows are amazing. Haven't done one in years, 2079 02:03:12.439 --> 02:03:14.560 but it's gonna be awesome. So the show is free. 2080 02:03:14.880 --> 02:03:18.399 Just get you room and you know, give us a 2081 02:03:19.079 --> 02:03:21.640 rent a room, pay the gas and come down. Like 2082 02:03:21.720 --> 02:03:24.520 I got friends driving over eight hours to come to 2083 02:03:24.640 --> 02:03:26.800 be here from Orlando. It's gonna be fun. If you 2084 02:03:26.840 --> 02:03:28.520 guys want to hang out, you want to meet, you'll 2085 02:03:28.560 --> 02:03:30.680 get the chance to do that. So April the twentieth, 2086 02:03:30.720 --> 02:03:33.640 all the infos on my website at truth cigar dot com. 2087 02:03:34.520 --> 02:03:37.279 There's also some new merch on there. I don't promote 2088 02:03:37.279 --> 02:03:39.079 the merch too much, but I do have t shirts 2089 02:03:39.119 --> 02:03:42.439 and things available promoting some different songs that I have, 2090 02:03:42.680 --> 02:03:45.439 and even there's a truth Heca podcast t shirt and 2091 02:03:45.520 --> 02:03:47.239 some quotes and stuff like that from my lyrics. So 2092 02:03:47.279 --> 02:03:51.079 all that stuff's available on my site as well. And 2093 02:03:51.439 --> 02:03:53.159 so if you want to support, buy a shirt all 2094 02:03:53.159 --> 02:03:55.600 that good stuff. With that, I'm gonna say peace and shalom. 2095 02:03:55.760 --> 02:03:58.479 I enjoyed this episode, got some more stuff lined up 2096 02:03:58.520 --> 02:04:01.079 for you guys, and thank you guys for the support. 2097 02:04:01.199 --> 02:04:03.800 With that piece, Shalom God bless. 2098 02:04:04.720 --> 02:04:15.159 Joe so much, so much, so much, so much Earth. 2099 02:04:16.479 --> 02:04:17.920 Well, that does it for this episode. 2100 02:04:17.960 --> 02:04:18.279 Folks. 2101 02:04:18.399 --> 02:04:21.479 To hear more episodes of The Truth Seca podcast, head 2102 02:04:21.520 --> 02:04:23.880 over to trutheka dot com, and if you're wanting to 2103 02:04:23.920 --> 02:04:26.760 support the show and get rewards, go to our Patreon 2104 02:04:26.840 --> 02:04:28.359 page at patreon dot com. 2105 02:04:28.680 --> 02:04:30.560 Forward slash truth Seeker