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Speaker 3: I'm saying that when we talk about having an agenda,
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Speaker 3: my encounters. Other people have had similar encounters. But then again,
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Speaker 3: Cassidy and some other people who say, wait, these things
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Speaker 3: I think I want them to be the saviors. I
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Speaker 3: us from Australia, Is that right? Brother from England. The
Speaker 3: accent right, Welcome to the show Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I guess after I did those interviews with Kerry Cassidy,
Speaker 3: I guess you find out my work and seeing what
Speaker 3: I do, and reached out to me wanting to be
Speaker 3: a guest, and showed me your material some of the
Speaker 3: other interviews that you've done, and I kind of went
Speaker 3: in and were just skipping around throughout the interviews because
Speaker 3: it's a lot of material there, and I went right
Speaker 3: to the place I needed to go, talking about the
Speaker 3: White Room and the UFO encounters and things like that,
Speaker 3: and I thought, now, I haven't listened to the the
Speaker 3: entirety of it, but I thought that it sounded mostly
Speaker 3: like pleasant experiences, that it was something that maybe is
Speaker 3: welcomed versus being something of negative or being tormented or
Speaker 3: something like that. If you want to set that up
Speaker 3: of kind of go into some detail, I'm interested to
Speaker 3: hear the whole story, man, at some of these encounters
Speaker 3: that you've had.
Speaker 5: Okay. So I was born in March the first, nineteen
Speaker 5: forty five, at the end of the World War two,
Speaker 5: and I was living in Oxford, and I was brought
Speaker 5: up in a non religious house, so things like good
Speaker 5: and evil, God's soul, Jesus, they didn't mean anything to me. No,
Speaker 5: So there was no interiority, you know, there was nothing inside.
Speaker 5: And my parents they just lived and they died and
Speaker 5: that was it, really. You know. They weren't materialists, they
Speaker 5: weren't atheists. They were just ordinary people working ordinary jobs.
Speaker 5: But they had no interest in religion. That was the
Speaker 5: society they were brought up in. So anyway, at the
Speaker 5: age of four, I'm lying in bed and I see
Speaker 5: some flickering lights by the ceiling and I'm kind of
Speaker 5: fascinated by them, and I feel my body is expanding
Speaker 5: into the room, so it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
Speaker 5: I get a bit freaked out and put my head
Speaker 5: under the pillow and I see these entities running around.
Speaker 5: So that sounds like a typical abduction. I have no
Speaker 5: memory of an abduction, but something strange was going on
Speaker 5: with myself, and maybe that was the beginnings of some
Speaker 5: kind of inner world, you know, and inner world that
Speaker 5: was not in my family. And I never told my family,
Speaker 5: and I wasn't particularly frightened, so I didn't tell my
Speaker 5: parents about it. So then I move on to fifteen.
Speaker 5: I joined my sister who's married to an American in Portsmouth,
Speaker 5: New Hampshire. So I go over there, I go to
Speaker 5: high school and he's just come out of the Air
Speaker 5: Force and he's a lab technician in the local hospital,
Speaker 5: and he gets me a job in the Air Force base.
Speaker 5: While I'm working in the Air Force base. This is
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty one in the fall, and right when I'm
Speaker 5: working there, the most important UFO abduction case is being
Speaker 5: investigated right at that moment in that particular Air Force base,
Speaker 5: and it's the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. And John
Speaker 5: Fuller wrote a book called The Interrupted Journey in about
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty seven. So I'm at a place that's very strategic.
Speaker 5: It's the first major abduction. In the fifties, they called
Speaker 5: it contact Tee, so like Georgia Dampski would say, you know,
Speaker 5: he's a contact with Venus. But since Betty and Barney Hill,
Speaker 5: it became abduction. So that was like I had this
Speaker 5: four year old thing and then it's kind of like
Speaker 5: you tick another box. It's like suddenly I'm right at
Speaker 5: the center. You know, there's a maneuver like on the
Speaker 5: chessboard and I'm maneuver to go over to America. I
Speaker 5: believe it's all orchestrated. I believe that it's a what
Speaker 5: I call a meta programming by alien intelligence which I
Speaker 5: have contact with, direct contact with, And I didn't know then,
Speaker 5: of course, but looking back, I can see that, Yeah,
Speaker 5: my life, I haven't been the mover of my life.
Speaker 5: I haven't been the kind of ego center that's in control.
Speaker 5: I'm just kind of following. I'm not far orders. In fact,
Speaker 5: I feel very free. I feel very liperated person. I
Speaker 5: feel that somehow I'm kind of receptive and adaptive. And
Speaker 5: I've been to India, I've been all over. I've lived
Speaker 5: in about fifty different places.
Speaker 3: Right, So is it let me ask you this, So
Speaker 3: is it this inward? Is it this inward knowing? Like
Speaker 3: because you said you don't feel forced, It's like you
Speaker 3: know in your heart of hearts, that there's this divine
Speaker 3: purpose that you're here for, there's this part of your journey,
Speaker 3: and if you submit to it, amazing things begin to happen.
Speaker 3: Your life begins to be orchestrated by essentially the hand
Speaker 3: of the divine. Or you can kind of step away
Speaker 3: and say no, no, I'm not going to entertain that.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to do what I want to do.
Speaker 3: That's the type, that's what you're talking about, correct, Yeah, right, I.
Speaker 5: Can go into that. Well. At fifteen, my sister and
Speaker 5: brother in law they go to California. I get kind
Speaker 5: of a bad so I'm literally on my own in
Speaker 5: fifteen sixteen, and I'm with an American family and then
Speaker 5: I get a job in a summer camp and I
Speaker 5: literally have no money and nowhere to go, so I've
Speaker 5: got to literally ask people to look after me. So
Speaker 5: I get picked up by this American family and I'm
Speaker 5: taken to New York to Poughkeepsie, which is about fifty
Speaker 5: miles north of New York City on the Hudson River,
Speaker 5: and I live with a family. The man is an
Speaker 5: IBM person. He's an inventor and he's got many patents
Speaker 5: on computers. And when I leave high school, he gets
Speaker 5: me a job on the Apollo Rocket. So I'm doing
Speaker 5: some basic work working on modules and microscopes on the
Speaker 5: Apollo Rocket, and then I go to the State University
Speaker 5: of New York at stoney Brook, Long Island near Manhattan.
Speaker 5: I'm into classical music, but there's a rock concert and
Speaker 5: it involves the soft Machine and Jimmy Hendrix experience. So
Speaker 5: my first kind of light opening into the rock scene
Speaker 5: and the hippie scene and counterculture was Jimmy Hendrix. But
Speaker 5: as I say, I went to the concert and for
Speaker 5: whatever reason, I decided to drop out of college. And
Speaker 5: I wasn't part of the counterculture. I wasn't aware of
Speaker 5: hip is only like Jimmy Hendrix, but I wasn't aware
Speaker 5: of the counterculture. And the guy, the young man that
Speaker 5: I was like friends with in this IBM house, he
Speaker 5: had gone to Vietnam and he came back from Vietnam
Speaker 5: and he had a really good Corvette, you know, super
Speaker 5: Corvett car, and he said, you want to meet Timothy Leary.
Speaker 5: And I didn't know about drugs or Timothy Leary, I was,
Speaker 5: So he takes me out to this house. Timothy there
Speaker 5: is only living about twenty miles away in Millbrook, and
Speaker 5: I go out there. We drive into this big estate
Speaker 5: and there's this big wooden house with psychedelics painted all
Speaker 5: over the wood the house, and there's all these people
Speaker 5: freaked out. So they're just lying around quite free, and
Speaker 5: we have a conversation with Timothy Leary, but of course
Speaker 5: I don't know anything about Timothy Leary. So anyway, in
Speaker 5: the local paper, it shows Leary and some friends throwing
Speaker 5: flowers at the policeman at the police station because they
Speaker 5: used to raid the house all the time, you know,
Speaker 5: for like drug set, rock and roll, that kind of thing.
Speaker 5: So anyway, I'm in Poughkeepsie. I was married, I left
Speaker 5: my marriage, I left the university. I don't know anything
Speaker 5: about UFO's spirituality or anything like that. And I get
Speaker 5: this room and I just have a change of consciousness.
Speaker 5: I don't know where it came from. It just like
Speaker 5: took over. And I describe it as walking around the town.
Speaker 5: And it was like a Gothic It was very Edgar
Speaker 5: Allan Poe, very Gothic, very shadow world. I liked going
Speaker 5: out in the evenings. I like going out before dawn
Speaker 5: in the early morning. But I wasn't aware of magic
Speaker 5: or anything like that. And things started to happen. I
Speaker 5: started to meet people I would never have met if
Speaker 5: I wasn't in that state. So doors were opening, So
Speaker 5: will we.
Speaker 3: On, Yes, we're going. There was some kind of hiccup.
Speaker 5: Oh sorry, So doors were opening, and I end up
Speaker 5: going to New Pole State across the river, across the
Speaker 5: Hudson River, and I start mixing with hippies, and I
Speaker 5: get into that scene, the hippie scene, and in New
Speaker 5: about ten or so years later, David Wilcox goes to
Speaker 5: New Pulse and the place I was at before Stoneybrook University,
Speaker 5: Dan Burrish, and I think Project Hamlot interviewed Dan Burrish,
Speaker 5: and he plays a major part in my life, not personally,
Speaker 5: but what he revealed about the looking Glass, Yellow Cube,
Speaker 5: the book to do with Oryan, and I get very
Speaker 5: connected to Oryan and I'm given a cube in the vision,
Speaker 5: so it links in with where I was at the
Speaker 5: university with Dan Burrish and then later with David Wilcox.
Speaker 5: I meet a friend in Oxford and he's the world
Speaker 5: He's now the world Scholar on Youwungen synchronicity. So I've
Speaker 5: got synchronicity coming in with David Wilcox and the UFO
Speaker 5: at Stoneybrook with Dan Burrish. So it's like setting the sea,
Speaker 5: if you will. So I'm living in Upos and I
Speaker 5: come back to England and I go off to India
Speaker 5: and I spend some time with Alama there in the Himalayas,
Speaker 5: and I can kind of quick forward to nineteen seventy
Speaker 5: six when I'm in Oxford and I'm living in the
Speaker 5: house of Lawrence of Arabia, and above my window is
Speaker 5: a blue plaque. And they put blue plaques on houses
Speaker 5: where very famous people live, and that was Te Lawrence,
Speaker 5: Lawrence of Arabia, and that was nineteen seventy six, seventy seven. Well,
Speaker 5: in that year, a very famous euthologist, John E. Mack,
Speaker 5: who wrote a book called Abduction from Harvard University. He
Speaker 5: wrote a definitive book, a biography of T. E. Lawrence,
Speaker 5: Lawrence of Arabia. The very year I was in that house,
Speaker 5: and that's where I had my first UFO experience.
Speaker 3: What was that like, your first encounter?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Right, So I'm in a dark room. I'm looking
Speaker 5: out of the window in the dark room, and I
Speaker 5: see this light above some trees in the garden. I
Speaker 5: have no knowledge of UFOs. I haven't seen any movies
Speaker 5: on UFOs, so I'm really I don't even know it's
Speaker 5: a UFO. It's just a light in the sky. So
Speaker 5: I'm sitting there in a very deep state, and suddenly
Speaker 5: the light penetrates through my left eye. There's no light,
Speaker 5: there's no beam from the light, but I know the
Speaker 5: light goes right into my left eye, into my brain,
Speaker 5: right into my psyche, and I'm very surprised. I don't
Speaker 5: know what it is. I'm very interesting did and it
Speaker 5: moves to the right, so it's going from the left
Speaker 5: eye to the right eye, and I think, you know,
Speaker 5: I wonder what's going on. It's very deep experience. It's
Speaker 5: slightly troubling, but I'm not really that frightened. And then
Speaker 5: it goes back to the It was going to go
Speaker 5: back to the left eye, and I knew something radical
Speaker 5: was going to happen to me, so I kind of
Speaker 5: like got up and drew the curtains, and I felt
Speaker 5: like it was trying to move me into a hypnotic
Speaker 5: state and maybe take over. And just like in my
Speaker 5: four year old experience, although I was expanding into the room,
Speaker 5: I stopped the process and put my head under the pillow.
Speaker 5: And even when I've taken psychedelics, I've never let go
Speaker 5: of my body. I've never what you call had an
Speaker 5: authentic out of the body experience. I seem to shut
Speaker 5: down the process. And that's always been the case when
Speaker 5: whenever I've been confronted with I don't know what it is,
Speaker 5: but I've had contact with a certain kind of power.
Speaker 5: It's not it's an invisible power. I'll go into that.
Speaker 5: It's an invisible power, and I haven't given it a name.
Speaker 5: I don't know what it is. I have never given
Speaker 5: it a name, and I link it to UFOs. But
Speaker 5: this power, it's like coming into the room and you
Speaker 5: don't want to connect with that power. You know it's there,
Speaker 5: but you don't want to know what it is. You
Speaker 5: don't want to because it really is power itself if
Speaker 5: you want to know. It's like if you take all
Speaker 5: the concepts of power, political power, power of the ego,
Speaker 5: power of science, power of technology, even power of UFOs,
Speaker 5: if you take all of that and put it into
Speaker 5: an essence and call it a power that has no name.
Speaker 5: In the Gnostic tradition they call it the Unknown Father.
Speaker 5: In Tibetan Buddhism, they call it the One Mind. In
Speaker 5: Anage in Egypt, they call it Foth or the One.
Speaker 5: It's the one. It's the emptiness. I've actually entered that now,
Speaker 5: I've actually been into the emptiness. But it's not the
Speaker 5: power itself. It's a reflection of that power. It's not
Speaker 5: the power beyond the body and the grave, it's not
Speaker 5: the power beyond the planets, but it's the same power.
Speaker 5: But it's like the moon reflecting the sun.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's exactly what I was thinking as you're speaking, right.
Speaker 5: Good, because I've got a very important information about the
Speaker 5: moon recently revealed to me, and about the moon and
Speaker 5: the Earth and the matrix. But anyway, so I'm in
Speaker 5: the room, I have this experience. It penetrates into my
Speaker 5: interior life. It's scanning my memory, it's scanning my personality.
Speaker 5: It's intrusive. It's a very profound experience. But the end
Speaker 5: result is I don't feel it was bad. Although it
Speaker 5: was very intrusive, I don't feel like it didn't It
Speaker 5: wasn't meant to make me feel that I didn't want
Speaker 5: further experience.
Speaker 3: Did it feel good? Was it euphoric at all? A
Speaker 3: lot of people talk about having those similar encounters or
Speaker 3: even though they're strange, otherworldly, it's euphoric. You feel relaxed,
Speaker 3: you feel like you've had soma or something, right like,
Speaker 3: did you feel that at all? Was it intoxicating?
Speaker 5: Well? Not the first experience wasn't, but I can. That's
Speaker 5: seventy six, seventy seven. And as I said, links in
Speaker 5: with Johnny Mack at Harvard. Well, you see, Timothy Leary
Speaker 5: was at Harvard and Ramdas Richard Alp, but he was
Speaker 5: at at Harvard, and they both visited the lama that
Speaker 5: I visited in the Himalayas near to Beth.
Speaker 3: So you just lay right behind them.
Speaker 5: Maybe, yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. So if I go
Speaker 5: forward to nineteen eighty four in Oxford, and I call
Speaker 5: it the Powerhouse, and I'll go into the power I
Speaker 5: call it the Powerhouse. You go through the door, and
Speaker 5: there are two black pillars. It was owned by a
Speaker 5: college in Oxford and this lady that rented out rooms
Speaker 5: and I had a garret. I had a garret with
Speaker 5: a big window at the top on the roof, and
Speaker 5: I looked over the valley and the hills in Oxford,
Speaker 5: and I call it my powerhouse. And there were two
Speaker 5: black pillars. But I had no knowledge of occultism or magic.
Speaker 5: I was getting into that a little later with a
Speaker 5: lot of people in the Golden Dawn and Crowley, but
Speaker 5: I didn't think anything of it. You go through the
Speaker 5: black pillars. So through my life, I have the spontaneous
Speaker 5: feeling to open up the curtains or look out of
Speaker 5: the window. It's just a spontaneous feeling, and I might
Speaker 5: contact UFOs. So this is my first contact, my second
Speaker 5: contact with UFOs. So I open up the curtains and
Speaker 5: I just had this feeling to look to my left,
Speaker 5: there's a light. Look to my right, there's a light
Speaker 5: in a gray sky. So it's a gray sky, two lights.
Speaker 5: I write this play about two UFOs in dialogue, and
Speaker 5: it's as if the UFOs are thought forms having telepathic conversation.
Speaker 5: I'm so freaked out by that manuscript. I literally throw
Speaker 5: it away. I don't even get into it. I'm so
Speaker 5: freaked out by it. And I liken it to like,
Speaker 5: if you're in the house with two spies from m
Speaker 5: I five or CIA and they're talking about very important information.
Speaker 5: You don't want to know that now if they know
Speaker 5: you've got it, it's important, powerful information. And I was
Speaker 5: tuning into very powerful information. And maybe I was meant
Speaker 5: to do it, but I didn't feel I felt it
Speaker 5: was overpowering, you know, like I was tapping into some
Speaker 5: power that freaked me out, just as it is as
Speaker 5: a child. The next thing that happens is that I'm
Speaker 5: sitting and it's in the daytime. I'm looking over the
Speaker 5: hills and I feel this energy coming over the hill.
Speaker 5: I can't explain. It's a sunny day and it's just
Speaker 5: this energy that I call power. That's why I call
Speaker 5: it the powerhouse. It's this power that has no dimensions.
Speaker 5: I can't tell you what it is. I just know
Speaker 5: it's this power and I don't know what's happening. I'm
Speaker 5: looking at the hill and it comes over the hill.
Speaker 5: I can feel it coming over the hill, getting closer.
Speaker 5: It's coming across the countryside, and I knew that when
Speaker 5: it touches that house, it would wipe me out. So
Speaker 5: again I'm having that feeling of being taken over. But
Speaker 5: this power, I didn't see anything. I didn't have anything
Speaker 5: in my mind. But it's hard to explain. It's just
Speaker 5: this invisible presence.
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you feel like though? Is that
Speaker 3: the euphoria when it comes? Is it a good thing
Speaker 3: or is it scary and good? I mean.
Speaker 5: No, it's like when I was a child. It's quite simple.
Speaker 5: It's like you don't want to do it. Somebody says,
Speaker 5: if somebody says, get on my motorbike, I'm going to
Speaker 5: go one hundred miles an hour. No, no, I'm not
Speaker 5: going to do that, you know. And it's kind of
Speaker 5: like that. It was kind of a it was quite simple.
Speaker 5: It's just like a choice, you know, like when I
Speaker 5: was Oh, I didn't have to do it. So, no,
Speaker 5: you're offering this power, you're offering to take me on
Speaker 5: this trip out of my body. I'm sorry, but I
Speaker 5: don't want to go your land, you know. And I've
Speaker 5: had UFOs within ten feet of me, so I've had
Speaker 5: an opportunity to connect, but.
Speaker 3: You've never You've never had like the physical like get
Speaker 3: on board or nothing like that, but you felt like
Speaker 3: you could have.
Speaker 5: Right, let's put it this way. I think there's a
Speaker 5: reason why I don't want to be taken over. It's
Speaker 5: to do with independence. Is to do with freedom. It's
Speaker 5: to do with maturing and getting integrity, getting my own foundation,
Speaker 5: getting my own strength. Now, throughout my life, I've made
Speaker 5: contact with a lot of famous people, a lot of
Speaker 5: powerful people, gurus and pop stars and all that I've
Speaker 5: made contact with. I've had a chance to be published
Speaker 5: by Oxford University press at the highest level. I've never
Speaker 5: accepted any of that. I was I could have been
Speaker 5: in the number one video on the top level television
Speaker 5: in this famous like pop artist. Right this woman wanted
Speaker 5: me to be her mat man in her video. I
Speaker 5: didn't do it. So there's some level of power. There's
Speaker 5: some level of power that's not only invisible from another planet,
Speaker 5: from another dimension, but there's power in the world. It's invisible.
Speaker 5: You know. You can think of politicians, and you can
Speaker 5: think of very rich people, very the illuminaty, the movie Jakers,
Speaker 5: my Friends, the world scholar, he goes around all around
Speaker 5: the world. He's you know there, it's like a think tank.
Speaker 5: I mean it's on a very high level. But you see,
Speaker 5: I don't want that.
Speaker 3: What about for good though? Using it for good? We
Speaker 3: mentioned the Illuminati. I mean they just released a video
Speaker 3: like two days ago of one of the biggest pop
Speaker 3: stars in the world right now, a guy called the Weekend.
Speaker 3: Somebody was filming his set and on the screen behind
Speaker 3: him it flashed the word Satan really fast and they
Speaker 3: had to record it and they freeze framed it, and
Speaker 3: so it's like they are getting power. There's a power
Speaker 3: out there. You can use it to tap into it
Speaker 3: for good or for bad, but you have to kind
Speaker 3: of pay homage to a god or a thoath or
Speaker 3: look at you know, we look at the people who've
Speaker 3: kind of went before us, so we're talking about Crowley
Speaker 3: or these type of people. But I think it could
Speaker 3: be definitely used for bad. I think that's the most
Speaker 3: what we see going on the Illuminati and things like that,
Speaker 3: seats of power. But I think it could be used
Speaker 3: for good too, like if we follow that intuition, that
Speaker 3: spiritual guidess. Because and I linked that to this because
Speaker 3: a lot of what you're talking about sounds like the
Speaker 3: Pranayama spirit that's just permeating through all life, the Kundalini,
Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit. It sounds very much like this. In
Speaker 3: these encounters that people have had with the awakening of
Speaker 3: the Kundalini. The baptism of the Holy Spirit feels like
Speaker 3: this intense fire. There's a fear there, but it's a
Speaker 3: good It looks over their life, knows everything about you,
Speaker 3: loves you, it's okay. It cleans out all the wrong
Speaker 3: and and sets you on that life journey. And it
Speaker 3: sounds very similar to That's why I have to bring
Speaker 3: this up with the UFO experiences, because if we're to
Speaker 3: me the UFOs are the angels of the Holy books,
Speaker 3: that's just the angels of the creators. What would you
Speaker 3: say to that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, in Yungian, in Yungian psychology, you know, we
Speaker 5: have a body, there's a spirit, and there's the psyche
Speaker 5: right where we dream and have visions and out of
Speaker 5: the body and psychedelic. It's all of that. Now, that's
Speaker 5: not necessarily the dimensions. You know, the spirits are dimension,
Speaker 5: the bodies are dimension. But the psyche what they call maya,
Speaker 5: the illusory body. They say it can be like a
Speaker 5: size of a sesame seed, just a seed, or it
Speaker 5: can expand to fill the universe, like the Atma and
Speaker 5: the and Brahman and the Atma. So in a sense,
Speaker 5: the psyche is in the one sense nothing and everything. Right.
Speaker 5: So if in the psyche you meet entities, right, you
Speaker 5: meet entities. Now, they could be UFO entities, they can
Speaker 5: be angelic, they can be Satanic. And I've met quite
Speaker 5: a priety. I've met hundreds of entities. I've never spoken
Speaker 5: to them or anything like that. So I'm in this powerhouse.
Speaker 5: I wake up in the middle of the night. I'm
Speaker 5: looking at my body and above my body is a
Speaker 5: figure lying above my body, and it's the devil. Right,
Speaker 5: so it's Satan. Now in the in Steiner Rudolph Steiner Anthroposophy,
Speaker 5: he talks about the Guardian of the Threshold. I see
Speaker 5: it as the Kundalini, right, So it's the awakening of
Speaker 5: the Kundalini. But it's Satanic. It has a dark force.
Speaker 5: So they call that Karli, the black goddess Carli. But
Speaker 5: it's lying above my body, and I think it's a
Speaker 5: beautiful looking being, right, it's a beautiful looking being. And
Speaker 5: so if it then I have another experience. I'm I'm
Speaker 5: lying in bed. I'm not awake. I'm aware of myself
Speaker 5: as a fetus. I'm lying in the fetal position, and
Speaker 5: a hole appears in the top of my head, and
Speaker 5: my perception goes out of the hole at the top
Speaker 5: of my head and I see it. I see like
Speaker 5: a sea of infinity, like blue and white waves going
Speaker 5: off into infinity. So I see that as the reptile.
Speaker 5: In fact, lizards and reptiles have a third eye. You
Speaker 5: can't see it's atrophid. It's there, it's there in the
Speaker 5: third Eye. So in the ancient world, everybody worshiped the dragon,
Speaker 5: and that symbolizes the third Eye, but it also symbolizes Draco,
Speaker 5: the pole star in Draco, because that's your guide start.
Speaker 5: So when you travel by sea in the ancient world,
Speaker 5: everybody worship the dragon because that was your guide in
Speaker 5: the heaven. So when you look you travel by sea
Speaker 5: or you travel, you're always looking for the pollstar in Draco. Now,
Speaker 5: in the UFO community, you know, the Rectilians have got
Speaker 5: a bad press, But I've never had that particular point
Speaker 5: of view. Now. The point is that when I had
Speaker 5: my first awakening in Poughkeepsie and I dropped out of college,
Speaker 5: and I felt I was in this different kind of
Speaker 5: dimension in the city, different dimension that there was a
Speaker 5: terrible aspect to that. It was a very very terrible aspect,
Speaker 5: but as you say, it was also euphoric. It was
Speaker 5: like double edged. It was like good and evil, it
Speaker 5: was like ying and yang. So there was like a
Speaker 5: terrible thing and yet at the same time it could
Speaker 5: switch to something really you forhic, really ecstatic. So I've
Speaker 5: always had that polarity in my set south where you know,
Speaker 5: I don't take sides. I don't like to take sides
Speaker 5: in politics. I don't like to take sides in the
Speaker 5: alien agenda, the conspiracy theory. You know. I like things
Speaker 5: to happen to me good or bad. I take the
Speaker 5: rough and the smooth. I don't kind of like shy
Speaker 5: away from anything. I've gone very deep into things in myself,
Speaker 5: and I feel that's the fabric of the psyche. That's like,
Speaker 5: these entities are really Maya. And I'm afraid that a
Speaker 5: lot of what people think about the UFO and entities
Speaker 5: is really you might say thought forms and there they're
Speaker 5: both revealing something to you, and yet they're not to
Speaker 5: be taken seriously. They're not the reality that they're not.
Speaker 5: They're not really to be confused with spirituality. Spirituality is
Speaker 5: one thing that the spirit and nirvana and whatever, and
Speaker 5: and I think that people are taking sides like reptilians
Speaker 5: versus ordin that kind of thing. But I treat the angelic.
Speaker 5: I treat that kind of thing as entities who are
Speaker 5: who are revealing. They're bringing something to you, to reveal
Speaker 5: something to you, and you've got to weigh things up.
Speaker 5: You've got a kind of like, wait, weigh the good
Speaker 5: and the evil. You've got to like, you know, like
Speaker 5: the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Speaker 3: You've got to kind And.
Speaker 5: It says the tree is to be desired to make
Speaker 5: you wise, and the serpent is your guide. In the
Speaker 5: Gnostic tradition, the open is your God. If you look
Speaker 5: at the dow. If you look at the dow, which
Speaker 5: is the way, that is the dragon path. That is
Speaker 5: actually called the dragon path because it's Draco. It's your
Speaker 5: garden loads star, it's your load star. And in England
Speaker 5: we call them lay lines. Okay, I lived on the
Speaker 5: lay line. When I had my first UFO experience in Oxford,
Speaker 5: it was on the lay line. It was on a
Speaker 5: dragon path.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this. When it talks when
Speaker 3: you're talking about being contacted by the UFOs, are you know,
Speaker 3: getting that intuition to go look out the window and
Speaker 3: there they are. I've had I've had very similar encounters
Speaker 3: looking look up to the sky, you acknowledge that they're there.
Speaker 3: They kind of like wave at you, and then they're gone.
Speaker 3: And then there's a download, there's a knowing, there's an intrigue,
Speaker 3: there's an r and I think that promotes spirituality for me.
Speaker 3: I talked about it a little bit on carry show
Speaker 3: on Project Camelot, where creativity like that it lights something
Speaker 3: within you and even the God thing for me, Like
Speaker 3: there's some people who the existence of aliens or our
Speaker 3: creators or these entities that are out there that are
Speaker 3: good watching over us or exist on other planes of existence.
Speaker 3: To them, it kind of destroys their faith in God.
Speaker 3: But for me, it makes it more real. It makes
Speaker 3: it tangible that this isn't just a theory. These aren't
Speaker 3: you know, these stories that were passed down, and God
Speaker 3: isn't so far away that we can't interact with that realm.
Speaker 3: But they are watching over us there in the outer space.
Speaker 3: They can come in and out of our dimension. There's
Speaker 3: so many layers to it, and so it builds my
Speaker 3: intrigue and almost gives credence to the beliefs that I
Speaker 3: have about spirituality, about God, about the ancient text, about
Speaker 3: the Bible, those type of things. It all types kind
Speaker 3: of fits in there. But so when it comes to
Speaker 3: being contacted, and you said you've had open contact for
Speaker 3: a long time, that's one thing that comes with these
Speaker 3: experiences as open contact, And you mentioned being contacted, but
Speaker 3: have you done the work on the other side, where
Speaker 3: you go out in what was there's a term called
Speaker 3: summoning UFOs. Have you ever went out and did a ritual,
Speaker 3: raise your hands, did a prayer, whatever the case is
Speaker 3: in contacted them and they have appeared to you.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, as I say that, my first nineteen seventy
Speaker 5: six in Oxford. Then I had my second, which was
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty four. And if I go forward to say
Speaker 5: ninety four, I'm living in the north of England, in Lancaster,
Speaker 5: and I decided to go out. It's freezing cold in
Speaker 5: the winter. I go out and the constellation that's closest
Speaker 5: to Britain that dominates the sky is a Ryan, right,
Speaker 5: so I went out. I didn't know anything about Ryan
Speaker 5: at that time. So I look up into the sky
Speaker 5: and there's a Ryan. And just in the corner of
Speaker 5: my eye, I see something near the roof of the house.
Speaker 5: I look up and there's a red orb the size
Speaker 5: of a basketball. So it's a red orb. It's about
Speaker 5: ten feet away and it's like a microphone like mesh,
Speaker 5: you know, like a like mesh kind of thing, and
Speaker 5: it's just hovering there and it moves very slowly. Second
Speaker 5: by second about fifteen feet and it just disappears. And
Speaker 5: I moved from there for maybe a year. Later, I
Speaker 5: moved back to Oxford for a short time to stay
Speaker 5: with my nephew. He's just finished university in artificial intelligence,
Speaker 5: so he's got a degree in artificial intelligence. He's got
Speaker 5: this place in Oxford. I spend some time there with him,
Speaker 5: and I decide to go out on the porch. So
Speaker 5: I go out on the porch and there's this red
Speaker 5: orb again, this sphere right in front of me, and
Speaker 5: it's just hovering there. That's two hundred miles away from
Speaker 5: the former one. And then I realize I'm being monitored, right,
Speaker 5: So that's and that's connected to me looking at Orion
Speaker 5: as well. I was actually spent time in the in
Speaker 5: a room just looking at Orion before that happened, so
Speaker 5: that would be that would be my fourth. Then then
Speaker 5: I moved down south near London where I'm living now,
Speaker 5: and I decided to do a UFO watch from my window.
Speaker 5: So I opened my window and the Ryan's up in
Speaker 5: the sky just above me. And what happened in the daytime,
Speaker 5: my friend, my friend who was is a professor of
Speaker 5: psychoanalysis and he's, as I said, world scholar on young
Speaker 5: and synchronicity.
Speaker 3: He used.
Speaker 5: He went to Glastonbury, which is very a cult center
Speaker 5: where the Arthorian legend is. When he was at Oxford University,
Speaker 5: took a couple of years out and he got into
Speaker 5: Crowley and he had the book Israel regard as Encyclopedia
Speaker 5: of the Symbols of the Golden Dawn, that kind of thing.
Speaker 5: So I looked into the book. Oh you know, I
Speaker 5: looked into the book and I thought, well, I look
Speaker 5: at a pentagram. I just thought i'd look at a pentagram,
Speaker 5: and I thought, well, I think i'd draw the pentagram
Speaker 5: outside the window. But when I had the thought to
Speaker 5: draw the pentagram outside the window, I've never practiced anything
Speaker 5: magical before. And I don't know why I did that.
Speaker 5: I literally don't. But when I get the feeling to
Speaker 5: do something like that, I just do it. So I
Speaker 5: go outside and I drew this pentagram on the floor
Speaker 5: in impastor. I think it was like a purple color.
Speaker 5: So nine o'clock at night, I'm standing there and just
Speaker 5: above me by the roof, only about twenty feet away,
Speaker 5: these five UFOs come over in pentagram formation and they're
Speaker 5: like very slow. They're like hovering just above my head,
Speaker 5: and they're like five discs, and they were they they're
Speaker 5: the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. There were golden
Speaker 5: golden orange, so they were like discs that were golden orange,
Speaker 5: and they seemed to be hovering just above my head.
Speaker 5: They didn't have any dimension, so it just like a
Speaker 5: kind of like pure light, and they seemed to be spinning,
Speaker 5: and they just went in front of me and over
Speaker 5: the pine trees and by the military base. So the
Speaker 5: military base plays an important part in my life. I
Speaker 5: had I was in my imports imports with New Hampshire
Speaker 5: that was a military base to do with nuclear nuclear warheads.
Speaker 5: And now I'm near a military base here and the
Speaker 5: UFOs disappear near there, and it's on a hill, so
Speaker 5: this is on a hill. So I move into the
Speaker 5: place I am Now, I move from there to here,
Speaker 5: and I'm sitting eleven o'clock at night, and five UFOs
Speaker 5: appear near the castle. Because when I'm looking out now,
Speaker 5: I can see the castle in my window, and these
Speaker 5: five UFOs appear in a vertical formation. They one, two, three,
Speaker 5: four five. I look at them through by binoculars, and
Speaker 5: they look fairly solid, greeny kind of red, and then
Speaker 5: they disappear one by one. And then this silver cylinder appears,
Speaker 5: its big silver cylinder. And I look at the silver
Speaker 5: cylinder and they could have gone into the silver cylinder
Speaker 5: as a mother ship, but I don't know. And then
Speaker 5: I watch it go down towards the ground. It goes
Speaker 5: down towards the ground, and it disappears where the military bases.
Speaker 5: It seems to go into the ground where the military base,
Speaker 5: this silver cylinder. That was my last experience in two
Speaker 5: thousand and eight. So you know, you've got to weigh
Speaker 5: these things up. You've got to like take all that aboard. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you know, why are they doing? You know, you
Speaker 5: think of what was the point of that? You know,
Speaker 5: like I know about UFOs. Why wasn't something more revealed?
Speaker 5: If you know what I mean? You know why? Why?
Speaker 3: That's why? Because all of the encounters you've had, You've
Speaker 3: seemed like you've had a lot. I've had a decent
Speaker 3: amount as well. That changed my life. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: doing this show, I'm suing this work now because of
Speaker 3: these encounters. And you would think that you would have
Speaker 3: more detail you would know the agenda, you would know
Speaker 3: the names. That's why I always always question a lot
Speaker 3: of the people who go on shows and they claim
Speaker 3: to have it all figured out, like the information is
Speaker 3: still slippery there. Like, I don't think like people like
Speaker 3: you're talking about the war between the Draconians and the
Speaker 3: Palladians and the you know, Orian Council of Light are
Speaker 3: here to do this. People seem to have a lot
Speaker 3: of info in for as much encounters that You've had
Speaker 3: and I've had, I would feel like I could tell that,
Speaker 3: you know, you're telling the truth. Some of these people,
Speaker 3: I don't. I think there's a lot of people who
Speaker 3: are just kind of making it up and they're selling
Speaker 3: books and they're you know, they have an agenda there,
Speaker 3: and it's hard to trust them. Do you feel like
Speaker 3: that at all? Too? Without being without being without calling
Speaker 3: names or trying to sound harsh, because maybe they do,
Speaker 3: maybe they have had that kind of contact, But as
Speaker 3: much contact as I've had, I don't. I can't just
Speaker 3: take it and run with it, you know.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, in university, I studied philosophy and comparative religion,
Speaker 5: and I spent time in a Christian monastery. I met
Speaker 5: Lama's I met Christiana Murty was quite a famous guru.
Speaker 5: I had very important experiences with him on a kind
Speaker 5: of transcendental level, etc. Now, the point is that you know,
Speaker 5: where's the ground? The thing I ask in all of
Speaker 5: this kind of phenomenon, where is the ground is? You know,
Speaker 5: like you said, the Bible, is it Buddhism. But you see,
Speaker 5: what we call religion is like a hijack. I see,
Speaker 5: religion is a hijack of in Jesus, for example, Buddha
Speaker 5: and Jesus, nobody knows the background. They appeared on the scene.
Speaker 5: They came out of nowhere on the world scene, on
Speaker 5: the world stage. Jesus at thirty the Buddha at thirty six. Right,
Speaker 5: they just appear out of nowhere. And they have a
Speaker 5: small following of family friends. It's interesting, both of them
Speaker 5: had family friends and a few intimates. Right, So that
Speaker 5: was their first little circle with family friends. So they
Speaker 5: must have been in the vicinity of their home. Now,
Speaker 5: it's interesting. There's a very famous yogi. The most famous
Speaker 5: yogi of Tibetan Buddhism is Miller Reaper. And Miller Reaper
Speaker 5: his father died and the uncle took over the property
Speaker 5: and they just swindled the mother and the son out
Speaker 5: of the property. So the mother sent him away to
Speaker 5: be trained as a as a magician. And he was
Speaker 5: trained as a magician, and he had the power to
Speaker 5: bring hailstones. He could create hailstones. He and he hailed,
Speaker 5: he hailed the house where his uncle was living, and
Speaker 5: it just absolutely smashed it to pieces. I remember reading
Speaker 5: that because at that very moment the hail came down
Speaker 5: in the middle of the summer outside. Really it was wow, man,
Speaker 5: it just came right down. Yeah, I would think so
Speaker 5: Miller Reaper, what he did was he gave up being
Speaker 5: a magician. He came back to his hometown, he took
Speaker 5: up residents in a cave, and then he became enlightened.
Speaker 5: He became like he became part of a Buddha, you know,
Speaker 5: part of the not the buddher, but he took on
Speaker 5: the characteristics of the buddh. So I'm saying there's a
Speaker 5: connection between you know, being grounded where your home is.
Speaker 5: It's quite literal, you know, it's quite literal. You're not
Speaker 5: with some like Christian Murty for example, and a lot
Speaker 5: of these gurus, they create a set live in the
Speaker 5: middle of nowhere, disconnected from everything, and live in this
Speaker 5: fantasy world. It is a fantasy world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has no tangible power. It definitely is. It's
Speaker 3: just theory grounded.
Speaker 5: It's not grounded in knowledge. It's not grounded in books,
Speaker 5: is not grounded in study. Now all my experiences are
Speaker 5: grounded in study. I studied everything going back to ancient Egypt,
Speaker 5: and I believe I've discovered a kind of Egyptian template.
Speaker 5: And it took twelve years, between two thousand and eleven
Speaker 5: to two thousand and three to twenty fourteen, I published
Speaker 5: nine books. I've published nine books, and they contained all
Speaker 5: the knowledge I gained out of my life on this planet.
Speaker 5: And I closed the book. So I no longer read books.
Speaker 5: I no longer take in information. I've closed the book.
Speaker 5: And now I'm learning to live. I'm learning to like live,
Speaker 5: if you know what I mean. I lived, I lived
Speaker 5: in the medium of knowledge. Now now I'm not saying
Speaker 5: I'm trying to be wise, but I'm learning to be wise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to what's going on, Well, I think I'll kind
Speaker 3: of look at it. I'm very similar situation where I
Speaker 3: don't I don't do much reading either, like people send
Speaker 3: me all types of videos and they want I've had
Speaker 3: some some of Jordan Max's some of Jordan Maxwell's people
Speaker 3: offer to send me extra and of hord drives like
Speaker 3: for Terraby to videos and documentaries and information. I don't
Speaker 3: want it, like I'm I'm I'm kind of like you.
Speaker 3: As far as like trying to and this is where
Speaker 3: I put it, asking for wisdom on how to share
Speaker 3: the knowledge that we've already studied. How can we bring
Speaker 3: this into practical experience for ourselves and for people to
Speaker 3: better the world around us. And so as far as
Speaker 3: like digging and reading and studying and researches. Now, I'm
Speaker 3: all for experience. I love having a spiritual encounter. But
Speaker 3: as far as like just trying to dig to get
Speaker 3: to the bottom of it, I've seen so much as
Speaker 3: it is, So it's like asking for the wisdom on
Speaker 3: how to share the knowledge. Is that does that ring true?
Speaker 5: Well? Yeah, I'll go into that now. Right, the world
Speaker 5: around us, what we call society, which I've never been
Speaker 5: a part of, I've never played the game. I've never
Speaker 5: played the game. I've never played the mind game, right
Speaker 5: of politicians, of people that run institutions, all of that
Speaker 5: kind of stuff. You know, we're immersed in language, aren't we.
Speaker 5: Consciousness is like language knowledge language. We're language, we're cultural entities,
Speaker 5: we're human, we're selves. We're a self that's come into
Speaker 5: a body. And what I call consciousness is like a toolkit.
Speaker 5: It's a toolkit. There's a reason why we had this toolkit,
Speaker 5: and you won't find that reason in a book, because
Speaker 5: the book itself is the tool is the toolkit. So
Speaker 5: everyone's got their language. In the family, you've got your
Speaker 5: secret language. In the politics, you've got your subrowsa behind
Speaker 5: closed doors, you've got the secret language in the Masons.
Speaker 5: Everybody's got their secret language. Right, So the UFO, they've
Speaker 5: all got their little pockets of secret language. Right. What
Speaker 5: is the language? What? What is this language of the
Speaker 5: human being? Now see what I mean, we're moving outside
Speaker 5: of what we think language is to what is language?
Speaker 5: What are we supposed to know? We're here? You're here
Speaker 5: for what one hundred years? Now? We've basically lived to
Speaker 5: one hundred years? What are we here for seven billion people?
Speaker 5: What on earth are we doing here to go to
Speaker 5: the moon, to build an AI computer, to paint the
Speaker 5: Sistine Chapel? To build the pyramids. No, we're not here.
Speaker 5: I don't think we're here for that. That's a symbol
Speaker 5: of what we're here for. But what are we really
Speaker 5: here for? That's the wrapping. What's inside the wrapping, That's
Speaker 5: what I'm trying to discover. That's what I'm trying to
Speaker 5: open up.
Speaker 3: Now, do you do you feel like this is some
Speaker 3: type of testing ground? What are you seeing of right
Speaker 3: and wrong and trying to figure things out? And almost
Speaker 3: like you know, the life of the life you live
Speaker 3: determines the place that you spind eternity if you want
Speaker 3: to call it that.
Speaker 5: Well, you see, you can talk about the planetary faces
Speaker 5: and calma and character and type. So we're all types.
Speaker 5: I'm an artist, I'm a poet, I'm a philosopher. I
Speaker 5: can be all those types. Right, that's the entity, Reptilians
Speaker 5: of types, Nordica type, all these types. They all embody,
Speaker 5: language and knowledge, don't they. They're all sharing. They want
Speaker 5: you to buy into that knowledge, buy into this knowledge,
Speaker 5: by this brand, by this this right. And I'm saying
Speaker 5: that people have their concept of a secret language. People
Speaker 5: want to think they've got some real, you know, real language.
Speaker 5: They mean what they say they're telling the truth. They
Speaker 5: really mean what they say. But if you don't have
Speaker 5: the truth, how can you speak the truth? What is
Speaker 5: the truth? No, so my question is I'm seventy three.
Speaker 5: The other day my chest right question mark is at
Speaker 5: my age now wisdom is true? If wisdom is truth,
Speaker 5: what is that truth? And who's going to reveal it?
Speaker 5: Cem entity or is there a Buddha in Jesus? You see?
Speaker 5: Who were Buddha? Where did they come from? What did
Speaker 5: they discover in their cave, in their temple, in their whatever?
Speaker 5: And why did they come on alone? Why were they
Speaker 5: alone when they came on the world stage. You know,
Speaker 5: they appear to be alone, and yet immediately the family's
Speaker 5: there and the few people are there. It's very interesting
Speaker 5: kind of conundrum because they're coming. They're coming out of nowhere,
Speaker 5: which means something. I think it like Nirvana. You know,
Speaker 5: Nirvana is supposed to be empty, and yet you have
Speaker 5: a diamond body. You have a diamond body, you have
Speaker 5: a body of wisdom, the darma kayah, and yet it's
Speaker 5: supposed to be empty. And the Tibetan Buddhists say, nirvana
Speaker 5: isn't the end. You don't just get enlightened and sit
Speaker 5: in no man's land. That's only the beginning. You're you're
Speaker 5: a free individual. You've dropped your karma, you drop your conditioning,
Speaker 5: you drop your whatever, and now you can be a
Speaker 5: free human being and travel the dimensions. That's what they say,
Speaker 5: whereas a lot of Buddhists say, no, you get you
Speaker 5: know Zen Buddhism, you get so tory and that's the
Speaker 5: end of the journey. You've finished. But in Tibetan Buddhies
Speaker 5: and you're only beginning with your body of wisdom. It's
Speaker 5: not like you're at the end and you pack everything in.
Speaker 5: You're only beginning the journey, which is eternity. So we've
Speaker 5: got this paradox between infinity. We live in an infinite universe,
Speaker 5: and yet we've got this concept of eternity, the circle,
Speaker 5: the One, the unknown God, the invisible God, and that
Speaker 5: power that I talked about. I did experience that I've had.
Speaker 5: I've experienced that. I wrote it in my book The
Speaker 5: One Mind three Months of being in satory emptiness Nirvana.
Speaker 5: I have experience.
Speaker 3: After you've experienced that, you walk around with the heightened
Speaker 3: sense of awareness. Right for some times, the things you see,
Speaker 3: like you said, you felt like you was in a
Speaker 3: dream state, like that things were different. You looked at things,
Speaker 3: they seem different in your consciousness was shifted. I've known
Speaker 3: people who they would vibrate their bodies, would they would
Speaker 3: get I think what they call in in the Hindu
Speaker 3: tradition kreas where their body they would get these of
Speaker 3: energy throughout the day in their body. I knew guys
Speaker 3: in mid conversation which starts shaking, you know from an
Speaker 3: encounter that they had a week ago, and they're still
Speaker 3: vibrating off of that frequency from that experience.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that would be one of the seven chakras.
Speaker 5: You see. But if you go out through the hole
Speaker 5: in your head, you go out, then you're in this emptiness.
Speaker 5: I mean, I looked how when I had that experience
Speaker 5: of the thousand pedaled lotus, my perception what they call
Speaker 5: consciousness transference in the Tibetan in the secret doctrine of
Speaker 5: the Tibetans. And I looked, how so I did see
Speaker 5: the infinity. I did see something, and I came back in.
Speaker 5: But where I am now, where I'm sitting in this
Speaker 5: room now, I had in two thy fifteen, I had
Speaker 5: a three month experience, and I used to I kept
Speaker 5: a journal every day, a diary every day. And although
Speaker 5: the world around me was the same, you know, like
Speaker 5: just sitting in this room looking outside at the castle,
Speaker 5: it wasn't the same world. But it wasn't the gothic world.
Speaker 5: It wasn't the shadow world. You know, it wasn't like
Speaker 5: the magical world. It was it was like purity. It
Speaker 5: was like a pure space, so that when I when
Speaker 5: I look at the room now and the outside it's
Speaker 5: lit up, you know, the light and the sky is
Speaker 5: all lit up, so you have light and space. But
Speaker 5: this but being in Satori Nirvana, it's not that space.
Speaker 5: It's not time and space. It's around it. It's like
Speaker 5: it's like there's a different dimension of space that isn't
Speaker 5: bound to time and space and it and it doesn't
Speaker 5: have a limit, so it's not like limited by the
Speaker 5: trees or the sky or anything material. And that's that
Speaker 5: That would be the same as I experienced before what
Speaker 5: I called the power. You know, so before I wasn't
Speaker 5: ready for the power, but it's given it me in
Speaker 5: small doses. It's not the power like Buddha was connected
Speaker 5: to the power.
Speaker 3: It's an expression of that power. Would you say that, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 5: Not a symbol, it's not in my psyche, it's not
Speaker 5: in my.
Speaker 3: It's a lesser it's a lesser form like the Chicaina
Speaker 3: with the Hebrews were called the chicaino glory. A tangible presence,
Speaker 3: but not the presence itself, almost just like beholding a
Speaker 3: piece of it. Like you said, talking about the reflection
Speaker 3: of the moon and seeing that image, which is the
Speaker 3: light of the sun expressed through the moon, and we
Speaker 3: get we get that light and you walk with that
Speaker 3: because many people say that if you was to go
Speaker 3: directly to the supreme power, that you would surely die.
Speaker 3: I mean, we look at the art at a covenant
Speaker 3: which carried the presence of God, and if anybody touched
Speaker 3: it who wasn't worthy, they would instantly die. I mean.
Speaker 3: And even having that strong encounter from an expression of
Speaker 3: the source was so profound.
Speaker 5: There's more, right, Yeah, So you know the concept of
Speaker 5: the One in the Egyptian model, the concepts of the
Speaker 5: One folth he's not in the universe. He's the grand
Speaker 5: architect of the Masons. He's the Grand Architect, right, So
Speaker 5: he doesn't really exist as we call it in this universe.
Speaker 5: He's not in existence and it's just a principle called
Speaker 5: the one. But you could say the one is nirvana,
Speaker 5: it's the one mind. It's empty, it's nothing, because when
Speaker 5: you're approaching it through knowledge or cultural science, it really
Speaker 5: is nothing. So what's what's beg before the Big Bang?
Speaker 5: Or nothing? But it's not nothing. Yeah, it's not nothing
Speaker 5: compared to something. It's not the corollary of something. The
Speaker 5: scientists want something else, don't they. They want to kind
Speaker 5: of like the mind of God, you know, the god gene,
Speaker 5: what they call the god gene particle. Yeah, but you see,
Speaker 5: Navana isn't that kind of nothing? It's not that it's
Speaker 5: here right now. The nothing is actually here right now.
Speaker 5: I'm talking to you, and I'm very much in my
Speaker 5: consciousness using language, but I'm also aware of that of
Speaker 5: the emptiness.
Speaker 3: I think that's where meditation comes in. I think that's
Speaker 3: where meditation comes in, that we are able to kind
Speaker 3: of shut everything down and kind of go back to
Speaker 3: that essence, get a glimpse of it, to kind of
Speaker 3: take it with us, to kind of remind us who
Speaker 3: we are, where we came from. One thing, I wanted
Speaker 3: to talk to you about. Is the importance I think
Speaker 3: of stargazing. You said that when you were having some
Speaker 3: encounter stargazing, gazing into Orion, and then things would happen.
Speaker 3: People ask me, you know, how do I have more synchronicities?
Speaker 3: How do I get on the spiritual path?
Speaker 5: What do I do?
Speaker 3: The three things I tell them is begin reading literature,
Speaker 3: reading books that are about people who have had encounters
Speaker 3: like that or some of the information that's come before us.
Speaker 3: I say, read, spend time in meditation and in prayer
Speaker 3: to kind of reflect on what you're reading and touch
Speaker 3: the divine, kind of get with that source of energy.
Speaker 3: And stargazing, I always tell them stargazing. For me, that's
Speaker 3: just like that communication. I've spent hours stargazing, and like you,
Speaker 3: I've gazed into Orion and seen starships and seen entities
Speaker 3: coming in and out of Orion, or just being focused
Speaker 3: and then out of the peripheral other beings will come
Speaker 3: into play and begin to see all of this stuff.
Speaker 3: Just by simply quieting down and gazing at the stars.
Speaker 3: There's something to that. Are you there, David, or did
Speaker 3: you lock up? You might have locked up? Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: so what would you say is the power of stargazing?
Speaker 3: Are we making connection when we do that? I mean
Speaker 3: that with the entities who dwell in that star system.
Speaker 3: I mean what's going on when we gaze into Orion
Speaker 3: or we gaze into you know what I'm saying, the ampliades,
Speaker 3: and we feel energy, we feel downloads. I feel I've
Speaker 3: been I've gazed so intently before. I felt like I
Speaker 3: was being sucked out of my body in it. I
Speaker 3: had to catch myself, you know, and it scared me,
Speaker 3: it really did.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've had that experience looking. You know that there's
Speaker 5: a meadow in Oxford Denies to go to this big
Speaker 5: meadow and just lie down, and I felt I'd be
Speaker 5: taken out of my body, which again you know, I've
Speaker 5: not happened. It's not happened to me. I think it's
Speaker 5: a matter of orientation, you know, if you're a spiritual
Speaker 5: person that they call that that in Gerd Jeff's term,
Speaker 5: the guy called Burd Jeff, he calls it the magnetic
Speaker 5: center in alchemy, and you call it the loadstone. It's
Speaker 5: a magnetic stone. And as I say, the pole stars
Speaker 5: are magnetic stars. So you know, it's a ligne to
Speaker 5: the Earth's axis. It's a line there. So the very
Speaker 5: first pyramid to step Pyramid, which a lot of my
Speaker 5: works based on, have had certain things revealed to me.
Speaker 5: But that's a line to the pole star Draco. So
Speaker 5: it's an alignment. It's like you're aligning, like the lay line,
Speaker 5: the dragon path, the Tao being in the dow being, synchronicity,
Speaker 5: what they call the law of correspondences, the sympathy of
Speaker 5: all things. It's being intimate, you know, it's like feeling intimately.
Speaker 5: You know, if you go for a walk and there's
Speaker 5: birds and trees or your or people, you like, it's
Speaker 5: an intimacy. I think that's a very important spiritual quality.
Speaker 5: Is like intimacy, Being receptive, you know, connected, Yeah, connected
Speaker 5: is it's vulnerable, being vulnerable as well. Because vulnerable you
Speaker 5: can you think, if you're open to people, open to well,
Speaker 5: you can be hurt because you're vulnerable. And in a way,
Speaker 5: you know, the terrible aspect of the Godhead, which is
Speaker 5: the Numanus, the terrible aspect of the god Head. You know,
Speaker 5: even the evil aspect is part of it is part
Speaker 5: of the drama, you know. So I've never closed off
Speaker 5: you know, I've not dabbled or anything in magic in
Speaker 5: that way, but I'm saying that when you're being intimate, yes,
Speaker 5: you can be a bit afraid. Of course, your instincts
Speaker 5: you're afraid, and you want a good experience, and you know,
Speaker 5: you've got a whole kind of cornucopia of reactions. But
Speaker 5: if you've got the right intention, if you've got the
Speaker 5: right intention and you're building on something, there's got to
Speaker 5: be something there. You've got to have confidence in yourself
Speaker 5: that there's something there in yourself. You know, it's got
Speaker 5: to be a place. Hasn't there a place you can
Speaker 5: go to in yourself? And that's what meditation is is
Speaker 5: meditation is really a communion with the spirit. So if
Speaker 5: you're in communion with the spirit, the world opens itself
Speaker 5: to you. That's how I would describe it. I've never
Speaker 5: meditated myself, but.
Speaker 3: If you're stargaze and I think there's a form of meditation, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm saying if you you know, if you're an
Speaker 5: artist and you go into the studio and there's a
Speaker 5: blank canvas, yeah, that moment, that's the nirvana. That's the
Speaker 5: white room in the way, that's the white square. Nirvana, emptiness.
Speaker 5: Have you got the have you got the energy, the courage,
Speaker 5: the confidence to make a mark? You know? And like
Speaker 5: the cave paintings, they went in there, didn't they And
Speaker 5: they made the mark. They scratched and made the mark.
Speaker 5: So I'm saying that, you know, being open and what
Speaker 5: I would call the act of creation, that there are
Speaker 5: always acts of creation. Synchronicity is u first, the acts
Speaker 5: of creation. They're coming out of actual creation. They're coming
Speaker 5: out of nothing, what we call nothing, which the scientists
Speaker 5: don't believe in, but we know, we know it's real.
Speaker 5: And once you've had one experience, then you've got it,
Speaker 5: haven't you. Once you I've had one thing.
Speaker 3: It's enough to start it. It's enough to get bit
Speaker 3: by the bug. You get bit, the bug bites it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but once you've got it, it's not going to
Speaker 5: go away.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it ever.
Speaker 2: Does.
Speaker 3: Some people turn it off, you know, people that we
Speaker 3: get busy. You know, things happen, consciousness shift, things change.
Speaker 3: I don't. I wish I did, Like I wish I
Speaker 3: still had as many encounters as I used to. It's
Speaker 3: been a while since I've had a profound UFO encounter.
Speaker 3: And I was at a place where I was having
Speaker 3: them daily, like making contact daily. Now it's like I'm
Speaker 3: reflecting on what the hell was it? Like what is it?
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, and trying to talk to people
Speaker 3: and stuff, and then the information and knowledge from the
Speaker 3: research and even from the meditation or seeing the UFO.
Speaker 3: It's not just about seeing something. I think people see
Speaker 3: stuff all the time, but communicating with it, connecting with
Speaker 3: it and getting downloads of information and energy. That's a
Speaker 3: whole other level. That's a whole nother thing that we're
Speaker 3: bringing to the table.
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 3: It's not about continuing to have the experience, it's about
Speaker 3: dissecting it and what does it mean to you. I
Speaker 3: think it's a I think it's a disservice just to
Speaker 3: keep wanting more. I want another one. I want another experience.
Speaker 3: I want to see something else. Like you've been privileged
Speaker 3: to see so much, you have to do something with
Speaker 3: the information. I mean there's people you know who like
Speaker 3: chase after psychics and profits and stuff like that, and
Speaker 3: I used to do that. Go to services where you
Speaker 3: want someone to speak over you a prophetic word about
Speaker 3: your life, and then the next week you want somebody
Speaker 3: else to do it, and you're just chasing this versus
Speaker 3: like or even with the psychedelic experience. You want all
Speaker 3: of these psychedelic experiences, but you haven't done the work.
Speaker 3: And the information that has come through, you have to
Speaker 3: dissect it and apply it to your life to go deeper.
Speaker 3: That's what's working for me. I've had those encounters and
Speaker 3: I'm trying to make the changes in the adjustments to
Speaker 3: my life. And when I do, the information that comes
Speaker 3: through has been profound. It's been life changing. About like
Speaker 3: you said, something, whether you want to call it God
Speaker 3: or the universe or the ets or whatever, it's something
Speaker 3: that's watching over us. It's communicating with us, and it
Speaker 3: has an agenda or a path for us, like a
Speaker 3: life purpose, to affect people, to bring about good, to
Speaker 3: bring about change. And I've seen it in my own
Speaker 3: life and I think it's very tangible and it's very beautiful.
Speaker 5: Yeah. All right, So we're in the body, right, we're born.
Speaker 5: You know, we're in a body. We don't have much
Speaker 5: memory of what happened before. So we're in the body
Speaker 5: and we're a self. So seven billion people with selves
Speaker 5: in bodies, right, and we've got this tool kit consciousness.
Speaker 5: The spirit doesn't connect through consciousness, the spirit connects to you. Right.
Speaker 5: So the spiritual awakening is a commune, the one to
Speaker 5: one communion, almost self to self in the Buddhist sets
Speaker 5: Hindu sense, the small self with the big self. It's
Speaker 5: self to self. That's what I'm saying. It never goes
Speaker 5: away once that communion, once you've re established connection with
Speaker 5: the source.
Speaker 3: The inward dialogue.
Speaker 5: Yeah, wherever you've come from, as it were, into the body,
Speaker 5: you've reconnected, and then consciousness has to do something about it. Right.
Speaker 5: So you've got people that don't have that contact with
Speaker 5: their self or there with God or whatever you want
Speaker 5: to call it, and they live in consciousness, they live
Speaker 5: in the matrix, they live in what the buddh Is
Speaker 5: called conditioning maya. So they're chasing their own tail. They're
Speaker 5: playing themselves. They're not playing an artificial robot chess. You know,
Speaker 5: they're playing the game they're playing. They're really playing their
Speaker 5: own mind game. They're playing their that aren't they playing
Speaker 5: against themselves in chess? So we're all playing against ourselves.
Speaker 5: And I'm saying that the spiritual awakening, the self to self,
Speaker 5: the one to one isn't about consciousness. But we're here,
Speaker 5: so we have to you might say, represent that communion
Speaker 5: which is without knowledge. We've got to translate it into knowledge.
Speaker 5: So we have what you call genius. So the genius
Speaker 5: translates what he's you know, she's inspired to say, or
Speaker 5: poetry or music. It's come out of nowhere and they
Speaker 5: express it. And that direct kind of expression, that creative
Speaker 5: expression is again like an act of creation. It's coming
Speaker 5: out of nowhere. And what happens with the establishment, the authority,
Speaker 5: the people that run the society I caught you know,
Speaker 5: it's called cultural capital. They don't love music and love art.
Speaker 5: They want the product, they want the brand to make
Speaker 5: more money, hijack the creative artists. And they have patrons,
Speaker 5: right so you you know, the Vatican's the patron in
Speaker 5: the Renaissance. And then you've got like people, you know,
Speaker 5: paying lip service. Well, I've never bought into that. My
Speaker 5: art nobody has seen. Very few people have seen my
Speaker 5: art because I'm not going to play that game, you know.
Speaker 5: And like I'm on Amazon. I published my books on Amazon.
Speaker 5: I put my pictures on Facebook and so forth and
Speaker 5: so on, and show a few friends, but I'm not
Speaker 5: going to bow down to any authority that's going to
Speaker 5: hijack the meaning of my life. You know, the meaning
Speaker 5: of my life is the being content with the spiritual,
Speaker 5: to be creative and to be independent, to be free.
Speaker 5: And I'm not going to play that game. I'm not
Speaker 5: going to play against myself because when we play against ourselves.
Speaker 3: We sell yourself out. It's hard to get it back.
Speaker 3: We look at look at Prince, look at his story man,
Speaker 3: you know, and essentially what happened to him and him
Speaker 3: changing his name into a symbol because they owned everything
Speaker 3: that he put out, and they had, you know, they
Speaker 3: they could approve or disprove songs, you know, and maybe
Speaker 3: the stuff he wanted to put out, they wouldn't release it.
Speaker 3: And that's happened with a lot of people having to
Speaker 3: change their message or even selling their story to a network.
Speaker 3: I mean, if we're talking about uthology, let's look at
Speaker 3: the movie Fire in the Sky. You know, what's his name.
Speaker 3: He sold his story and they totally misrepresented it and
Speaker 3: it made it like a horror movie essentially, when it
Speaker 3: was something in the end beautiful. And he's working he's
Speaker 3: working out there now doing the circuits to a kind
Speaker 3: of un do what that movie has done, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they want to change it. So I talked to
Speaker 3: James Gillilan too, and he's one who of who's out
Speaker 3: there on the front lines of the contact the experiences
Speaker 3: and initiating contact as well. And and he's been approached
Speaker 3: to sell his story but he won't because they try
Speaker 3: to put the horror bend on it. That genre set cells.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's you know, I went and seen a
Speaker 3: horror movie the other day, but it was good. There
Speaker 3: was an awesome message in it about psychic abilities. I've
Speaker 3: seen the new Insidious movie and uh took my daughter
Speaker 3: to see it. It is horror because there's jump scares
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, But as far as they did
Speaker 3: a really good job in that movie of tying in
Speaker 3: receiving messages from the other world, of being a psychic
Speaker 3: and and being downtroded and abused by your parents and
Speaker 3: laughed at, but still seeking after that. So there, so
Speaker 3: they're like, there's people now with that art and creativity,
Speaker 3: they're still tying these beautiful messages in with the genre.
Speaker 3: I think. I think like entertainment is so powerful. I
Speaker 3: do music about my art and my experiences. I'm taking
Speaker 3: these really delicate spiritual encounters and putting them in a
Speaker 3: song and trying to articulate it in a way that
Speaker 3: it sounds intriguing in it and it almost builds an
Speaker 3: altar or a monument of these encounters that I've had
Speaker 3: and other people, you know, well, I talk about reading,
Speaker 3: reading books and information, listening to music that promotes this
Speaker 3: type of stuff, a lot of stuff. So other people
Speaker 3: who are listening to my songs about my encounters, they're
Speaker 3: finding themselves having these encounters with UFOs and spirits and
Speaker 3: meditation and things like that. So something with the synchronicity,
Speaker 3: everything ties together, you know, once you start giving your
Speaker 3: attention to it, you start noticing it and everything, and
Speaker 3: something's guiding you, something's leading you to everything you're doing.
Speaker 3: Some people never realize as that though. Some people are
Speaker 3: just on that study mode and they never come to
Speaker 3: this inward knowing that it's about spirituality, it's about treating
Speaker 3: others well. They just they want knowledge, they want to
Speaker 3: have the information, but there's no connection to the spirit
Speaker 3: realm there at all for them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a matter of networking, isn't it.
Speaker 3: You know, it's supernatural networking because you've.
Speaker 5: Got the may Tricks. I've never I've never seen the
Speaker 5: may I don't watch films, but yeah, I've not seen
Speaker 5: the may Tricks.
Speaker 3: When you you know the concept.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the obviously they're talking about the prison planet
Speaker 5: and AI is something something.
Speaker 3: Is kind of it's talking about Maya too. You know,
Speaker 3: the veil of the you know, the unseen realm that
Speaker 3: or this realm that we see is just a shadow
Speaker 3: and it's just kind of not real. You know, it's
Speaker 3: the world to come. That's uh, that's the real world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know the things that we see
Speaker 5: around us, what we call history and even the pyramids.
Speaker 5: You know, again, it's a language. I mean, in the end,
Speaker 5: everything in consciousness is a language, and everything's coded what
Speaker 5: I call the symbolic code. And in the world when
Speaker 5: we go to university and go to go to school
Speaker 5: and all of that, that's one kind of code. There's
Speaker 5: a propaganda and indoctrination and that kind of conditioning. And
Speaker 5: so you've got that level of programming, which is what
Speaker 5: we see on the television and what we call society.
Speaker 5: But there's a meta programming like say the Bible. You know,
Speaker 5: you've got a person Jesus and some people going around
Speaker 5: in their local city or town or something like that.
Speaker 5: And then you've got this secret code. You've got this
Speaker 5: meta programming, this mythic, symbolic, magical language kind of in there.
Speaker 5: And you know, looking at it, if you just look
Speaker 5: at it, like the Bible or any other text, the
Speaker 5: Book of the Dead, the Egyptian Book of the Dead,
Speaker 5: it's just a riddle. It's like the riddle of the Sphinx.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just a very very com complicated, very
Speaker 5: messy it's a very messy language. No, when you read
Speaker 5: poetry in a way, it's not easy for the conscious mind.
Speaker 5: When you read poetry, the contract you've got to switch.
Speaker 5: You've got to go from the conscious mind, which is
Speaker 5: like ego based and controlling everything. You've got to let go.
Speaker 5: You've got to kind of go fall into the poetry,
Speaker 5: don't you. You fall into the music, and you've got
Speaker 5: to navigate. So there is a kind of secret code
Speaker 5: within yourself. You can navigate this dark night of the
Speaker 5: souldest matrix and whatever you want to call it. And
Speaker 5: as I say, it's it's like my first memory, my
Speaker 5: very first memory at two years old is looking at
Speaker 5: a red fire engine. Right, So my favorite toy was
Speaker 5: a red fire engine. So my memory is just looking
Speaker 5: at this red fire engine and somebody something revealed that
Speaker 5: to me and I interpret that as the chariot of fire.
Speaker 5: So the fire engine becomes the charity fire, the Charter
Speaker 5: to five becomes the UFO. So at the age of
Speaker 5: four years no, I have this seeming abduction. So I'm
Speaker 5: saying that, you know, your life story is encoded meta
Speaker 5: program with mythology and symbol and magic, and it's making
Speaker 5: the connection. You know, you could live your whole life
Speaker 5: and not reflect on that level, but it's there. It's
Speaker 5: actually there. You know, the flowers in the garden, or
Speaker 5: maybe your father, like my father used to read detective
Speaker 5: books and cowboy, you know, that kind of American polk fiction.
Speaker 5: You know, it could be anything that contains this symbolic
Speaker 5: knowledge for you. And yet you could live your whole
Speaker 5: life and not realize that something in your front room
Speaker 5: when you were a child, or some person you met
Speaker 5: or someplace you went to there was something telling you something,
Speaker 5: but you just didn't see it. You just didn't like listen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's so true. That's a fear, and
Speaker 3: I think that's that's what you always want people to
Speaker 3: experience what you haven't experienced, an encounter. You want everybody
Speaker 3: to know what you know. I mean, just look at vegetarians,
Speaker 3: Look at vegans. You know they've got the answer. They
Speaker 3: found the antidote, and then they're gonna go around and
Speaker 3: tell everybody everyone and proselytize. And even with you know,
Speaker 3: Christians or any type of religion, you're gonna go out
Speaker 3: and say, hey, I have the truth. You need to
Speaker 3: know this what I know. And so essentially what we're
Speaker 3: doing just kind of having this conversation sharing the stories.
Speaker 3: For many people that already rings true, they've already had
Speaker 3: that inward knowing, that self reflection. And for those who haven't,
Speaker 3: it's available. We're just letting them know that it's there.
Speaker 3: And it's just sad that that people never encounter that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I have family members who you know, who've
Speaker 3: had a hard life. You know, I've had a hard
Speaker 3: life too, but just to see them still continue to
Speaker 3: go on that path, that destructive path, when the path
Speaker 3: of goodness is there too, like this self realization, learning
Speaker 3: from your mistakes, learning from the mistakes of others. All
Speaker 3: of it's there, but some of them will never experience that.
Speaker 3: That's sad to fathom. It's sad to think of. I
Speaker 3: do believe in and happy endings. I do believe that
Speaker 3: we could be happy and experience that, and I want
Speaker 3: that for everyone. But David, I appreciate you coming on
Speaker 3: the show hanging out with me.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 3: Do you want to share your links where people can
Speaker 3: contact you? I don't. I don't know if you have
Speaker 3: a website, but you've got a lot of interviews that
Speaker 3: you've done. You're also active on Facebook and things like that.
Speaker 3: If you want to share your links out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got a YouTube channel and you can get
Speaker 5: I think I've got about nine nine a playlist of
Speaker 5: nine now on my YouTube channel. I'm on Facebook and Amazon.
Speaker 5: My books are on Amazon and my and my email
Speaker 5: is David dot sr dot Curtis at outlook dot com.
Speaker 5: And you know you can find me in those places.
Speaker 3: David, I've enjoyed hanging out with you, brother. Well let's
Speaker 3: do it again soon if we can.
Speaker 5: Man, Okay, nice seeing you all right?
Speaker 3: Thank you, Bro? Yeah, I see you, Bye bye bye,
Speaker 3: David Curtis. Ladies and gentlemen, awesome, good stuff. Enjoyed that
Speaker 3: conversation a lot when we're talking about that stuff. Man,
Speaker 3: just I think just talking about those those experiences, those
Speaker 3: encounters and stuff like that, I think that it's part
Speaker 3: of what initiates it. We're talking about people who want
Speaker 3: to have those encounters in their life. We're talking about
Speaker 3: how do you do it stargazing. There's something that's that's
Speaker 3: connected there. Thank you guys for hanging out with me.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to get to some of these questions
Speaker 3: here in the chat room. Phone lines are open. If
Speaker 3: anybody wants to call in, feel free to use that
Speaker 3: technology that we have. But let's see. So Ray asked
Speaker 3: me a while ago, I did see that come by
Speaker 3: in the chat. You asked me if I've ever done
Speaker 3: Steven Greer's meditation.
Speaker 5: I have.
Speaker 3: It's a good meditation. We used to do that CE
Speaker 3: five initiative meditation before going out to stargates and trying
Speaker 3: to make contact. We'd kind of get in that heightened
Speaker 3: state of awareness, and I remember doing it with a
Speaker 3: friend of mine out in the field. We were sitting
Speaker 3: in a vehicle first and getting relaxed get into the
Speaker 3: meditative state before we went into that meditation, and I
Speaker 3: know it was so funny because you can tell like
Speaker 3: he was reading, and then you could tell that he
Speaker 3: was turning the pages, and so there was just we
Speaker 3: always laugh. We'd hear him breathe, and then it was
Speaker 3: just so raw and he's reading and you can hear
Speaker 3: the pages of his book that he's reading his meditation
Speaker 3: out of. It was just hilarious. But that's my memories
Speaker 3: of doing the CE five meditation from Stephen Greer. But
Speaker 3: we definitely did do that. Christy folks, she asked earlier.
Speaker 3: She says she wants to be a part of what
Speaker 3: we're doing with the School of the Mystics, but she
Speaker 3: isn't able to do it on Thursday nights. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of people. I've been getting this message a lot,
Speaker 3: a lot of people who support a lot of people
Speaker 3: who want to be a part of what we're doing
Speaker 3: on Thursday nights, but they can't because of the job
Speaker 3: or you know, the family things going on, and when
Speaker 3: they have time to kind of get away, it's during
Speaker 3: work hours listening to the podcast driving whatever the case is.
Speaker 3: So I wasn't gonna record those because they've been really
Speaker 3: candid and stuff and personal, but I'm gonna record them
Speaker 3: and they're gonna be available for the patrons, so it'll
Speaker 3: be in the patron section essentially, because we're doing a
Speaker 3: course and if anybody comes in at any time in
Speaker 3: the course, maybe we have, you know, five sessions under
Speaker 3: our belt, you can go back and listen to them.
Speaker 3: They're going to be really short sessions that we're doing
Speaker 3: with the teachings anywhere short. So we're gonna do the
Speaker 3: short teaching of the course and then we're gonna do
Speaker 3: the Q and A and the group discussion that's in
Speaker 3: the book. So it's about starting the profetic ministry and
Speaker 3: a lot of it it's basics for me, elementary stuff,
Speaker 3: but I think it's good to brush up on elementary
Speaker 3: stuff even for me, And there could be some things
Speaker 3: I haven't learned because this is somebody else's. Of course,
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of them we could choose from, but
Speaker 3: we're gonna start here and see how it goes. And
Speaker 3: so it's gonna be something that we're building with the
Speaker 3: community Thursday nights at seven pm with the School of
Speaker 3: the Mystics, So you'll be able to listen to that
Speaker 3: at your own leisure. So if you are a patron,
Speaker 3: you'll get access to that too. So I wanted to
Speaker 3: make sure I let that know that it will be
Speaker 3: recorded now. Yeah, man, I've had a pretty interesting week
Speaker 3: this week, guys. I mentioned it at the end of
Speaker 3: the last podcast. Man, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 3: how much to just go in on this. We've been
Speaker 3: talking about this a lot lately. I was on Christy
Speaker 3: Lee's show last night. We talked about it a little bit.
Speaker 3: But just to kind of keep you guys up to speed, like,
Speaker 3: I did a contest for a song. I wrote a song,
Speaker 3: submitted it to this contest that Tark Bibbie put out
Speaker 3: ended up winning first place. It was a theme song.
Speaker 3: It was about star seeds who feel misplaced and who
Speaker 3: are going through a rough time on the earth and
Speaker 3: then kind of finding healing or finding their calling in
Speaker 3: the end. So I wrote this song. It's available on
Speaker 3: Patreon as well, you can download it. It's called Scars
Speaker 3: and it's about a girl. It's about a guy going
Speaker 3: through life and being an outcast, being rejected, not fitting
Speaker 3: in at school, those type of things. And then he's
Speaker 3: talking about pill addiction and stuff like that. And then
Speaker 3: the second verse is about a girl kind of same experience,
Speaker 3: not fitting in at school, being picked on, made fun of,
Speaker 3: and things like that, and then at the end they
Speaker 3: find each other. They run away together and they find healing.
Speaker 3: And I sum it up in a song. I did
Speaker 3: that song, put it out there for the contest. I
Speaker 3: won first place. I want a thousand dollars, Praise God.
Speaker 3: It was awesome. It came through it perfect time, right
Speaker 3: when I needed it for bills and that type of stuff.
Speaker 3: So really a god thing that I won. I knew.
Speaker 3: The funny thing is, I knew I was gonna win
Speaker 3: like when I because I woke up with those lyrics
Speaker 3: in my head, like I got the song from spirit.
Speaker 3: So I woke up out of sleep and had these
Speaker 3: lyrics in my head, just the beginning of it to
Speaker 3: sit down and do it, and it just started flowing.
Speaker 3: One first place, one guy was upset that I won
Speaker 3: because he submitted a song. The song was not good, Uh,
Speaker 3: his singing was off key, all of this stuff, but
Speaker 3: he insisted that he should have been the winner. And
Speaker 3: it got really weird. This guy was messaging me the
Speaker 3: guy who did the contest. Tark had to block this
Speaker 3: guy because he's talking about pressing charge is just crazy stuff.
Speaker 3: This guy who claims that he was supposed to be
Speaker 3: the winner of the contest and the song was bad.
Speaker 3: I wanted to tell him that it was bad. I
Speaker 3: wanted to tell him that he should have got somebody
Speaker 3: else to sing it because he was off key, you know,
Speaker 3: But I didn't. I had the message typed up and
Speaker 3: I was gonna send it to him because he was
Speaker 3: like accusing me or accusing the contest of being rigged,
Speaker 3: and all kind of weird stuff, you know. So that
Speaker 3: happened with the contest, and then on top of that,
Speaker 3: a close friend of mine went through some weird psychosis.
Speaker 3: He's been going through this thing for a long time,
Speaker 3: actually doing really weird stuff on social media. I mean,
Speaker 3: going live on Facebook and getting naked, like taking off
Speaker 3: his clothes and saying, America, A stand before you as
Speaker 3: a naked man, naked before you, naked before God. I
Speaker 3: hold nothing back. And he get naked and put the
Speaker 3: camera on his face where you couldn't see it. He's
Speaker 3: sitting there naked on livestream. This dude, he's on drugs
Speaker 3: and stuff, and he's a good friend of mine. Man,
Speaker 3: he's got a calling on his life. I've seen God
Speaker 3: use him. He's talented, he plays all kinds of instruments,
Speaker 3: he raps, he sings. He's awesome, man, but he's just
Speaker 3: in a bad place, on some really hard drugs and
Speaker 3: involved with some dark spirits. Man. And well, anyway, this
Speaker 3: guy reached out to me after all that stuff about
Speaker 3: getting naked and he made death threats to his baby
Speaker 3: mama and his or on Facebook Live. He said he
Speaker 3: was gonna kill him and give them back to God.
Speaker 3: Crazy stuff. He reached out to me and uh and said,
Speaker 3: congratulations on the song. You did good, my brother. I'm
Speaker 3: not even gonna ask you for what you owe me
Speaker 3: half of them half of the money. It's like what
Speaker 3: he said, Yep, you owe me half of the money.
Speaker 3: That song was inspired by me, and I actually wrote
Speaker 3: that song, and I gave you the knowledge and all
Speaker 3: this took to write that song. And I was like,
Speaker 3: I didn't even entertain it. I was like, man, this dude,
Speaker 3: shout out. This dude, he's on some crazy stuff to
Speaker 3: come at me sideways like that on something that I created.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, that's just insane. That's some
Speaker 3: the stuff you go through when your mind is on
Speaker 3: some of these hard drugs. And he just insisted. Man,
Speaker 3: he just kept on and on, and then he started
Speaker 3: blowing me up, calling me, calling me, calling me. I
Speaker 3: wasn't answering because I was busy at the moment. You
Speaker 3: need to answer right now. Your life is in jeopardy.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. You know he's one of the craziest
Speaker 3: coming out the woodwork. Bad thing is I really believe
Speaker 3: in this guy. Man, I could see the potential in him. Anyway,
Speaker 3: I finally answered the phone. I said, Bro, I'm watching
Speaker 3: a movie with my wife. What's up? Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: He just went off on some crazy stuff and you
Speaker 3: owe me five hundred dollars. You want a thousand? I
Speaker 3: want my money, Like, dude, you're insane, bro. And I
Speaker 3: just told him, look, you need to get off the drugs.
Speaker 3: You need to get cleaned. I love you by and
Speaker 3: I just blocked him from all social media, blocked his
Speaker 3: phone number, all that stuff. So then before he goes
Speaker 3: and does this long Facebook rant on me and tries
Speaker 3: to post it in the Patreon or not Patreon group,
Speaker 3: but in my on my public group that I have
Speaker 3: tru Seeker's friends on Facebook and this long thing talking
Speaker 3: about I'm a Judas and I stole from him crazy
Speaker 3: crazy stuff. And then he started going to all my
Speaker 3: friends just telling him crazy stuff about me. We got
Speaker 3: to quit following truth Seeker. He's using magic. He's left God,
Speaker 3: he's following magic, and like he's going to all my
Speaker 3: friends just having these private discourses with them. And the
Speaker 3: weird thing is like a lot of people entertained it,
Speaker 3: you know, and I think you know, And that's that's
Speaker 3: the weird thing when it comes to psychology and understanding
Speaker 3: why people are trying to rationalize with the drug addict.
Speaker 3: You know me too, I've I put myself in the mix.
Speaker 3: Why why was I trying to? I see the I
Speaker 3: see the potential in this guy, like I see, you know,
Speaker 3: he's an awesome artist, Like people would people pray in
Speaker 3: fast for his talent, Like they long to write a song,
Speaker 3: They longed to be able to play the guitar, be
Speaker 3: able to sing and rap, and like this guy, he's
Speaker 3: got so much talent it's oozing out of him. But
Speaker 3: he's in a bad place right now, man, So we're
Speaker 3: just gonna pray for him. I've been praying for him,
Speaker 3: but it got to the next level. He started sending
Speaker 3: me death threats. He started telling my friends that he
Speaker 3: was gonna stop at nothing to honor his ancestors and
Speaker 3: kill me, and his ancestors will get glory out of
Speaker 3: out of my downfall, and just crazy craziness. So I
Speaker 3: reached out to this lady, the mother of the girl
Speaker 3: he was threatening because they had a whole deal on
Speaker 3: it as well, threatening to kill him and kill his daughter.
Speaker 3: And so I reached out to her house, like, look,
Speaker 3: if you guys had any luck going to the police
Speaker 3: with this guy, because all my friends were messaging me like, dude,
Speaker 3: you gotta be careful with this dude. He's crazy. Right now,
Speaker 3: he may show up at your house blah blah blah
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, this kind of stuff. So I hit
Speaker 3: the lady up. She said he was supposed to go
Speaker 3: to court yesterday. He never showed up. You know, they
Speaker 3: got three warrants on him. You know. She told me
Speaker 3: to call the cops just so I can, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: let him know what's going on, that it would help
Speaker 3: this case because they got warrants on him. He didn't
Speaker 3: show up for court for threatening these people and he
Speaker 3: got gun charges and all kinds of crazy stuff. Anyway,
Speaker 3: I didn't a call. But then just a few hours
Speaker 3: later she posted an update. Oh, she posted an update
Speaker 3: saying he was locked up. So they had this picture
Speaker 3: of him, you know, all cracked out and stuff in jail,
Speaker 3: and it's like, it's insane. You gotta be careful, man,
Speaker 3: this is real. I'm reading the uh the comments at
Speaker 3: the same same thing, man, and so Jared says, man,
Speaker 3: you should prepare. Hey we got guns, bro, we got guns.
Speaker 3: Trust me, We're prepared. We're ready, ready for whatever. The
Speaker 3: weird thing is like a lot of once you reach
Speaker 3: a level of notoriety, once you get a big enough platform,
Speaker 3: a lot of people come out the woodwork. But then
Speaker 3: then again, you know, you got to see if you're
Speaker 3: catering to these people, if you're enabling these people those
Speaker 3: type of things. But it's not just me, we like
Speaker 3: to say, because we talk about spirituality, we're open to
Speaker 3: so much stuff. And trust me, I get those messages
Speaker 3: from crazy people who listen to the show and listen
Speaker 3: to my music and they resonate with me. And and
Speaker 3: this may I think I've even had somebody else say
Speaker 3: that they felt like they wrote my lyrics or something.
Speaker 3: I don't you know what I'm saying, Like just crazy.
Speaker 3: I have people hitting me up telling telling me that
Speaker 3: the Illuminati and the Masons told them that they were
Speaker 3: supposed to be my wife and marry me. And I've
Speaker 3: had my friend's wives who have never met, just friends
Speaker 3: online and their wife will secretly message me that they
Speaker 3: want to be together. Just crazy stuff that goes on.
Speaker 3: And it comes with the territory. Man, and you want
Speaker 3: to think, is like, Okay, what are you doing, true
Speaker 3: seeker that creates a breeding ground for these people? Why
Speaker 3: do these people feel comfortable with coming to you? I
Speaker 3: see the potential in a lot of people, like even
Speaker 3: with this guy, I see potential in him, and I
Speaker 3: feel like he's I hope that he gets cleaned up,
Speaker 3: and I prophesy that over him that he will man,
Speaker 3: and I want that for him. I think everybody deserves
Speaker 3: to have a happy, happy ending.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: But I'm done with him. You can't threaten my life
Speaker 3: or my family and then think you're gonna come back
Speaker 3: and hang out and be friends. I'm done with them
Speaker 3: on that tip. But there's a line that you can't
Speaker 3: you can't take back your words.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: You have to be careful. You can't undo it. Hey,
Speaker 3: I was just playing, man, I was in a bad spot. Okay,
Speaker 3: I forgive you, but you gotta stay away. You gotta
Speaker 3: stay where you are. You can't, yeah, you can. You
Speaker 3: can't be trusted, you know. And there's those people. Sometimes
Speaker 3: you have to cut people off. Sometimes you have to
Speaker 3: get people out of your life. Man, some people are dangerous.
Speaker 3: The spirit of jealousy. Man, I have a lot of
Speaker 3: friends over the years who have been jealous of my platform.
Speaker 3: They think that they deserve it. They think that they're
Speaker 3: more spiritual, they think that they have the right knowledge
Speaker 3: to share with the masses of this platform that I've built,
Speaker 3: and they're jealous. I don't deserve the platform they do. Like,
Speaker 3: I've had people there and they do little stuff like
Speaker 3: that guy as far as like messaging all my friends
Speaker 3: and say, hey, stay away from true Seeker. He's a fake,
Speaker 3: he's a false prophet. He's leading people astray like that
Speaker 3: type of like people have inboxed them. I've had people
Speaker 3: do that, inbox all my friends and then call me
Speaker 3: and have a conversation with me, accusing me. And then
Speaker 3: I'm able to kind of shed some light on whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, nonsense, they're entertaining in their head, and I
Speaker 3: win them over and they're like, you know what, man,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, bro. And they go back and they message
Speaker 3: all the people again and they apologize and say, you
Speaker 3: know what, I was wrong about truth seeker, this, this, this,
Speaker 3: I've had that happen a bunch, especially with church people.
Speaker 3: But you know, creating a safe haven or for these
Speaker 3: people to thrive into spiritual spirituality, the New Age whatever
Speaker 3: you want to call it. Like there's a lot of
Speaker 3: people who are out there, you know, but guess what,
Speaker 3: I come from Christianity and the Christian Church. And guess what,
Speaker 3: there's a breeding ground for that too there in the
Speaker 3: prophetic movements and stuff and we so this is just
Speaker 3: like a warning just everybody get up on their game,
Speaker 3: Like we have to really be walking in the spirit
Speaker 3: of discernment with what we're entertaining and with people, and
Speaker 3: we allow people to speak into our lives. And that
Speaker 3: dude reached out to a lot of people. He uh,
Speaker 3: it was weird. It's a whole the whole thing is
Speaker 3: just weird in general, that one person would have that
Speaker 3: much power to go on there and do that and
Speaker 3: stir up as much stuff as they could. And we
Speaker 3: have to be uh careful to stuff we're entertaining and
Speaker 3: we're letting these people. We have to move in the
Speaker 3: spirit of discernment. It was said a long time ago
Speaker 3: that the guy who led me to the Lord years ago,
Speaker 3: he went to church. And then it was the guy
Speaker 3: who came and uh he asked him to come to church.
Speaker 3: So he came and checked out the church and uh talking,
Speaker 3: he was like, man, you got And then he told him,
Speaker 3: he said, look, you guys claim to be spiritual. You
Speaker 3: guys are talking in tongues, praying in the Holy spirit,
Speaker 3: healing people, dancing in the church. You guys are just
Speaker 3: getting into the spirit of God. But you you can't
Speaker 3: even move in the gift of discernment. He said, what
Speaker 3: are you talking about? He said, you have registered sex
Speaker 3: offenders in the church, and you're letting your kids run
Speaker 3: around because it's a community almost effort almost, and you're
Speaker 3: letting your kids run around and your kids are sitting
Speaker 3: in the laps of registered sex offenders, and you guys
Speaker 3: cannot even discern it. You don't even know that. But
Speaker 3: you're so spiritual you're so deep, you're so connected with
Speaker 3: God or hearing God or God told me this, you know,
Speaker 3: these type of things, but you can't discern the pedophiles
Speaker 3: and sexIf registered sex offenders in your church and your
Speaker 3: kids are sitting in their lap and they're sitting on
Speaker 3: your on their knees, and they're you know, playing with
Speaker 3: the kids in the church. And so that that really
Speaker 3: punched him, man, It hit hit home with him, and
Speaker 3: he shared that with me, and it always rang true
Speaker 3: to me because I've known stuff like that too, of
Speaker 3: just these people who go to church and they're accepted
Speaker 3: and you know, I've seen trust me, man, like I've
Speaker 3: seen so much. There's a lot of delusional people in
Speaker 3: churches too. There's a lot of them in the New
Speaker 3: Age movement, There's a lot of them in Islam. Look
Speaker 3: at what these guys are doing. These people are killing
Speaker 3: theirselfs over their religion and killing other people peop and
Speaker 3: doing harm to other people, racist people, people in the
Speaker 3: klu Klux Klan, black Hebrew Israelites, like on every asset
Speaker 3: the aspect, there's us extremist out there, and it's about
Speaker 3: just trying to find balance and trying to find peace
Speaker 3: and harmony and be that light into the world. That's
Speaker 3: essentially what it's about. But in the midst of that,
Speaker 3: we have to be careful. We have to use discernment.
Speaker 3: Pray for discernment. That's a spiritual gift. Like in your
Speaker 3: spirit you can know that, hey, this isn't right. God
Speaker 3: will tell you stuff about people. I mean, that's what
Speaker 3: we're going to be speaking on on the School of
Speaker 3: the Mystics tonight is how to hear that voice of
Speaker 3: God in your life for what people are going through,
Speaker 3: business decisions, relationship decisions like hearing God, being able to
Speaker 3: discern the spirits that are on other people like you
Speaker 3: can do that. That's part of it. It's very practical.
Speaker 3: It's practice. Isn't just theories and cool stuff or what
Speaker 3: if it's real? No, this stuff is real. It's tangible
Speaker 3: and if you can't apply it to your life, if
Speaker 3: it cannot help you or the people around you, then
Speaker 3: I really don't want to talk about it. And so
Speaker 3: there's some somewhat of a tangible experience in each every
Speaker 3: one of these interviews that I do, I try to
Speaker 3: take something from it. I mean, even this discussion with
Speaker 3: David Curtis today, it's like this guy is seventy three
Speaker 3: years old and to see where he is and to
Speaker 3: see his life's pass very similar to mine, Like those
Speaker 3: experiences he's had and the conclusions he's come to, and
Speaker 3: it still seems like he's just still seeking, Like now,
Speaker 3: what is the thing? Like, what's the absolute? I think
Speaker 3: I found the absolute? Like I think I know what
Speaker 3: it's about. For me, it's simply knowing God and making
Speaker 3: him known, letting people know about this gospel that God
Speaker 3: loves you and He's got a plan for you and
Speaker 3: you can encounter God that you have a purpose for
Speaker 3: your life and a plan for your life. And in
Speaker 3: that and through that, there's so much other stuff. Whatever
Speaker 3: your life calling is, to be, whatever you desire to
Speaker 3: do with your life, all of that stuff is kind
Speaker 3: of woven throughout that message. But the messages is an
Speaker 3: empowerment of the Good news Man and so of a
Speaker 3: that you're not alone, right, and so like that's that's
Speaker 3: my end all, Like that's my agenda in the midst
Speaker 3: of having these conversations with people, is to share my
Speaker 3: story and uh and see how it relates and really
Speaker 3: get deep down into the into the essence of the
Speaker 3: of the mind of the psyche and and what people
Speaker 3: are going through and uh, people who need help, people
Speaker 3: like this guy who uh you know, sent me death
Speaker 3: threats and stuff like that. I try to put myself
Speaker 3: out there, you know. I try to put myself and
Speaker 3: I had I have discernment with them. That's my problem,
Speaker 3: and not just me, but most of the people I
Speaker 3: run with in my circle, is that we have compassion
Speaker 3: for others. We uh, we know that the churches have
Speaker 3: kicked these guys out, we know that they've been booted
Speaker 3: from society and their outcasts, but hey, those are the
Speaker 3: people that God uses man, so we have a compassion
Speaker 3: for them. And because we've been there, we've been and
Speaker 3: I don't want to kick this guy wan he's down.
Speaker 3: I've been there. I've got the calm and to prove it.
Speaker 3: You know. I've done that to people and it's been
Speaker 3: done to me, and I would not wish that upon anyone.
Speaker 3: That's why I try to go above and beyond to
Speaker 3: extend my hand. But you bite me when I extend
Speaker 3: my hand out there, and we're done. I can't mess
Speaker 3: with you. I can't like if I keep if I
Speaker 3: go out there and pick up a snake and the
Speaker 3: snake bites me, who's the blame me or the snake?
Speaker 3: Especially if I go out there and do it again,
Speaker 3: keep getting bit by the same snake. No, you got
Speaker 3: to use wisdom and discernment. Man, with all things. The
Speaker 3: scriptures is deep on this. And the scripture talks about
Speaker 3: giving people over to Satan. Let that sink in. What
Speaker 3: does that mean? Giving them over to Satan? It's really
Speaker 3: just pulling your hands back. Look, man, it's you and God,
Speaker 3: you and Satan essentially, Like I'm gonna have to give
Speaker 3: you over to what's what's ailing you and let let
Speaker 3: you let you deal with that for a while and
Speaker 3: see what happens, and see see what you come to.
Speaker 3: And God as a way of wooing the hearts hearts
Speaker 3: of people and and and setting up situations and sending
Speaker 3: demons into your life and and downfall and things to
Speaker 3: let you know that he's the way, Like He's the
Speaker 3: only only place you're gonna find serenity and solace is
Speaker 3: in him, this relationship with God, and that that's what
Speaker 3: it's about. So with this brother, I pray for him,
Speaker 3: I release him, you know all that stuff. And I
Speaker 3: believe that, Uh, you know, I want his best days
Speaker 3: to be ahead of him. I want him to get clean,
Speaker 3: I want him to be happy. I want him to
Speaker 3: be in his kid's life and things like that. I
Speaker 3: hate the fact that everybody you know doesn't get the
Speaker 3: happy ending which I was talking about. I believe in that.
Speaker 3: I fight for that. I I make every I don't
Speaker 3: live for the moment. I try not to. I try
Speaker 3: to try to make every decision with the future, in
Speaker 3: mind of my future, of my daughter, my wife, my friends,
Speaker 3: my family, even myself to kind of set myself up
Speaker 3: of like planting something today that comes into manifestation, like
Speaker 3: building the life that we want, the vision that we
Speaker 3: have of ourselves. When we go into meditation and you
Speaker 3: get these visions of yourself and what you want to
Speaker 3: do and why you're here, what is my purpose? And
Speaker 3: then you're so far removed from that purpose that you
Speaker 3: see yourself in the astral realms, it's like, Okay, what
Speaker 3: can I do to achieve that? What can I do
Speaker 3: to actually tap into that? And there's things practical things
Speaker 3: you can do to be whatever you want, whatever you're
Speaker 3: called to be, and aligning yourself with the universe or
Speaker 3: with God. God works with you. He doesn't work against you.
Speaker 3: He doesn't unit it's not mad at you. And we
Speaker 3: talk about the universe and God. That's a whole nother
Speaker 3: thing too. I've been just kind of contemplating. You know,
Speaker 3: some people like to say God. You go in New
Speaker 3: Age circles, they don't want you to say God because
Speaker 3: they think you're being religious. But you know, we're talking
Speaker 3: about God in the universe, trying to use it interchangeably.
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's the same thing. I think
Speaker 3: that God created the universe. That's two different things. And
Speaker 3: we talk about the universe. That's that's not something that
Speaker 3: uh that loves you or something that's tangible, something that
Speaker 3: cares about you. God is is personable, likes I have
Speaker 3: a relationship with the loving God, with the spirit realm. Right.
Speaker 3: So we're talking about people getting offended or not wanting
Speaker 3: to be you know, not wanting to talk about God
Speaker 3: or whatever the case is. I've been, you know, I've
Speaker 3: went through that whole thing. I go into a lot
Speaker 3: of New Age broadcast and shows and they have me
Speaker 3: on even within myself. But it is what it is, man,
Speaker 3: It's about God. And if you want to call it
Speaker 3: the universe, but I think the universe. God created you
Speaker 3: the universe, and uh, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 3: there's a difference there. That's as a tangent. But uh,
Speaker 3: some of these other questions here in the chat room,
Speaker 3: and see all it is his interview is going to
Speaker 3: be really soon, guys. All it is we did a
Speaker 3: song together too, so make sure y'all check that out
Speaker 3: A L L I T I Z just typing all
Speaker 3: it is one word on YouTube with truth Ceca and
Speaker 3: you can check out the new song that we did
Speaker 3: about UFOs and the spirit Realm, some awesome stuff we
Speaker 3: went into. But he says here in the chat he says,
Speaker 3: I believe we all have a uh a. He says,
Speaker 3: I believe we all have a live detector built in
Speaker 3: into our spirit. We just have to learn how to
Speaker 3: listen to it. Yep, we can. We can sense things
Speaker 3: and like I say, we right, So I think the
Speaker 3: I think that different people have different giftings and different abilities,
Speaker 3: and it talks about this in the Bible, and it
Speaker 3: talks about the gift of discernment and it says that
Speaker 3: I know we want to say we because we do
Speaker 3: like you do I do, and you know people who do,
Speaker 3: but maybe some people don't. Maybe some people have other
Speaker 3: giftings and they're better at utilizing those gifts and for
Speaker 3: the body. So we all come together, Okay, truth cicca
Speaker 3: and all it is. You guys are good at discernment.
Speaker 3: Here's somebody else who's good at speaking. Here's somebody all
Speaker 3: there who has a gift of planning and bringing people together.
Speaker 3: All of these are gifts within the Bible. The gift
Speaker 3: of administration making things happen, the gift of healing, the
Speaker 3: gift of prophecy, the gift of speaking in tongues. Obviously,
Speaker 3: I think we all can kind of tap into all
Speaker 3: of those areas. But we talk about the body when
Speaker 3: we all come together, and all of us are good
Speaker 3: at these things. Trust me. When the Church and in
Speaker 3: the Book of Acts, this is what they did. They
Speaker 3: were all good at these different things. They came together
Speaker 3: and they function and they changed the generation, They changed
Speaker 3: everybody they came in contact with. It was not like
Speaker 3: it was not like an agenda driven thing of hey,
Speaker 3: look at me, some of that came into play, but
Speaker 3: they addressed it and they dealt with it, and they
Speaker 3: did it. The best way that they knew how. But
Speaker 3: we're talking about spiritual giftings. We're talking about other some
Speaker 3: people good at divination, of tapping into the spirit realm,
Speaker 3: casting lots and these spiritual practice and this whole artillery
Speaker 3: that they had, man and when they rolled together and
Speaker 3: they were on one accord, you couldn't stop them. And
Speaker 3: we can we can still build like that. We can
Speaker 3: work with that when we when we come together on
Speaker 3: one accord. So for one man of Trusigo or whoever
Speaker 3: show or podcast or teacher you listen to, who claims
Speaker 3: to have it figured out and they want to be
Speaker 3: the master teacher. Some people call themselves the master teacher.
Speaker 3: I've been getting a lot of links from this guy
Speaker 3: out there they call him. He calls himself the master teacher.
Speaker 3: And I've known many master teachers on YouTube. But it's
Speaker 3: about it's about a community man. Anytime that one man
Speaker 3: is exalted, anytime that even like in a church setting,
Speaker 3: when the pastor is the go to guy, well, my
Speaker 3: pastor said this, My pastor is the man of God
Speaker 3: over my life. Blah blah blah blah blah. That's demonic.
Speaker 3: It's straight to mindic. You can learn from that person,
Speaker 3: he could be a shepherd. But really, essentially God, the
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit, Jesus is the shepherd. But it's when we
Speaker 3: come together, when we all come together, it's about a community.
Speaker 3: It's about the body of Christ. It's about the flower
Speaker 3: of life, all of us being an expression of God.
Speaker 3: And when we come together, we formulate the body of
Speaker 3: Christ on earth, the body of Love, right, the body
Speaker 3: of what. It says that if two or three, if
Speaker 3: two or three gether in my name, there I am
Speaker 3: in the midst. So as you come together, you essentially
Speaker 3: formulate Jesus on the earth. You are the manifestations of
Speaker 3: the sons of God. That's what it's about. It's about
Speaker 3: coming together. It's about walking in the spirit of unity,
Speaker 3: in the spirit of love. Man, that's just what That's
Speaker 3: just I wanted to kind of give you guys some
Speaker 3: insight on what I've been going through this week also
Speaker 3: to maybe I want to speak on this too. This
Speaker 3: is for the This is for the fathers out there
Speaker 3: and the mothers too. But there's something I've got this
Speaker 3: on on my wrisk for you guys who can see
Speaker 3: this on on the video end. But I've got a
Speaker 3: I've got a pink tag on my wrist. It's just
Speaker 3: get their uh something. I want to encourage you guys
Speaker 3: man this stuff. It's practical. Man. There's something that I
Speaker 3: do that I want to pass down to you guys
Speaker 3: to do if you don't. At least one day a year,
Speaker 3: I take my daughter out to something I call Daddy
Speaker 3: Daughter Day, and it's usually check her out of school.
Speaker 3: I let her go for a couple hours and she
Speaker 3: doesn't know it. I have this day planned where I
Speaker 3: pick her up, we go, ride go carts, we go,
Speaker 3: have lunch somewhere special, and we go to the movies
Speaker 3: or whatever the case is. But I did one yesterday
Speaker 3: so or the day before, and so I wanted to
Speaker 3: talk about that a little bit. I this I want.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about that to encourage you guys
Speaker 3: to do this. Whether if you're a father, if your mother,
Speaker 3: spend a few dollars and you got to be you
Speaker 3: do it for less than one hundred bucks man, just
Speaker 3: to spend time. I mean do it and even go
Speaker 3: on a walk, going to nature hike, you know, on
Speaker 3: just like a beautiful day. Check them out of school,
Speaker 3: go spend time with just you and them. Not not
Speaker 3: not both parents just one. Uh and so go get
Speaker 3: your kid, take them out. Day before yesterday, I took
Speaker 3: my daughter, went and got her, got some lunch, had
Speaker 3: a good lunch. Then we went to this place called
Speaker 3: get Air, which is a trampoline spot. And we went
Speaker 3: there and I wanted to plan it. I'm trying to
Speaker 3: plan it out with a movie because there was a
Speaker 3: movie I wanted to go see and take her to
Speaker 3: the spot. But we went there to jump on these trampolines.
Speaker 3: It's trampoline park. And we were the only people there.
Speaker 3: Went there right when it opens. I mean, how many
Speaker 3: kids are there at noon, you know, on a Tuesday.
Speaker 3: So we went to the trampoline park and we jn't
Speaker 3: We had the whole place to ourselves. Man, this whole
Speaker 3: trampoline It was twenty bucks. I think it was twenty bucks,
Speaker 3: like twenty six bucks for us to do that. We
Speaker 3: went there and spent an hour and then we went
Speaker 3: and seen a movie and then went and got ice
Speaker 3: cream or whatever. But it's just something like that that
Speaker 3: I just encourage you guys. Man, this stuff is practical.
Speaker 3: Just you know, time is precious. Time is of the
Speaker 3: essence as well. And I want to encourage you guys
Speaker 3: to do that. Go go check your kid out of
Speaker 3: school one day.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: It don't take a lot of money, so I don't
Speaker 3: even if you ain't got no money. Man, you can
Speaker 3: go for a walk, you can go to the park
Speaker 3: and just get on the slide. Whatever it is.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: But this stuff is practical, man, So I'm reading all
Speaker 3: it is, he says, He says, He says, great idea.
Speaker 3: I'll do it with my five year old soon. He says.
Speaker 3: We gotta get air in Michigan too, and might have
Speaker 3: to try that much love truth. Yeah, I do it
Speaker 3: when nobody's there too, man, so it's not crowded and
Speaker 3: kids are just you know, knocking everybody down and all
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. But it was fun just to
Speaker 3: have the whole place to ourselves, man, And I try
Speaker 3: to do it once a year every year. It's not playing.
Speaker 3: She don't know it. It's a surprise. She comes you know,
Speaker 3: she's in school, comes out. It's like here we're going,
Speaker 3: and I had everything prepared. I love I love surprises, man.
Speaker 3: I've been able to surprise my wife and my daughter
Speaker 3: on many different occasions, and that I like, I just
Speaker 3: love it. I love surprises, man, good surprises. Put it
Speaker 3: that way. I've had enough bad surprises in my life.
Speaker 3: So it's all about the good surprises and making them laugh,
Speaker 3: bringing smiles to people's faces, in their face, That's what
Speaker 3: I do if I don't do anything else. Man, As
Speaker 3: a father, I try to I try to, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: be lighthearted, to make them laugh and make them smile.
Speaker 3: You know, in the world out there that can be
Speaker 3: uh can be hard and cold hearted at times. I
Speaker 3: try to keep things like even with you guys, man,
Speaker 3: I try to bring something to the table that's gonna
Speaker 3: encourage you. Guys. It's gonna better your life. It's gonna,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, make this walk a little
Speaker 3: bit easier, make it a little bit more enjoyable. I
Speaker 3: think we're supposed to enjoy life. I remember going through
Speaker 3: spirituality as a Christian and as like the Gnostic traditions,
Speaker 3: even they teach that you're not supposed to enjoy life,
Speaker 3: that you're supposed to like be a suffering servant or
Speaker 3: what even in like like the five percenters they call
Speaker 3: the poor righteous teachers like and and that was like
Speaker 3: I thought, that's what you had to be. You couldn't
Speaker 3: enjoy life. You wasn't supposed to have money. You wasn't
Speaker 3: supposed to have wealth or or be happy and stuff.
Speaker 3: But that's man, that's so it's demonic, man, it's not
Speaker 3: of God. Man, everything is beautiful. To enjoy everything in life.
Speaker 3: But to really reach that spirituality where you can go
Speaker 3: out and just sit in nature and be okay, well
Speaker 3: you can go and do that walk with your family,
Speaker 3: or walk through the forest in the cool of the
Speaker 3: day and just enjoy it and feel connected with everything
Speaker 3: there man, spirituality, and let you do that, and to
Speaker 3: know that you're one with all creation, with God, the
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit which is there with you, with your breath
Speaker 3: as you're able to breathe in out in nature. Maybe
Speaker 3: even we've went hiking. I remember, I take my shoes
Speaker 3: off and I go barefoot hiking with the family and
Speaker 3: we just connecting with the earth and the energies, getting grounded,
Speaker 3: putting our feet on the ground, like really connecting. It
Speaker 3: don't cost money, like it's free to do a lot
Speaker 3: of this stuff, man, And that's what it's about man.
Speaker 5: To be.
Speaker 3: To live in the moment, because that's all you have.
Speaker 3: You don't have tomorrow. You don't have yesterday. Yesterday's gone,
Speaker 3: but to be in the moment. Like I always point out,
Speaker 3: Ekhart totally is a millionaire off of teaching people how
Speaker 3: to live in the now moment and how to find
Speaker 3: that power in the now moment. That's why I talk
Speaker 3: about meditation. It's about focusing on the moment. We go
Speaker 3: into those realms, we get the vision for ourselves in
Speaker 3: the now moment, there is no tomorrow. We talk by
Speaker 3: going on being set on autopilot and just living life
Speaker 3: the mundane over and over and then even with my family,
Speaker 3: like even though like I do this stuff, it can
Speaker 3: I can still get on autopilot and my family can
Speaker 3: do it. My daughter goes to school, comes home, does homework,
Speaker 3: we get dinner, we eat, we spend some time together,
Speaker 3: I do a podcast, whatever, And it can be monotonous.
Speaker 3: You get into the monotony of life. So you got
Speaker 3: to switch it up. You gotta grab and shake things up,
Speaker 3: even for yourself. Man, turn that autopilot switch off. I
Speaker 3: did it for years when I was working. In weeks
Speaker 3: would pass man and I'm just like just going just living,
Speaker 3: just doing it. And a lot of times it would
Speaker 3: come to play because it would make it worse because
Speaker 3: I'd have something I was looking forward to a month out,
Speaker 3: two months out, six weeks from now, whether it's Christmas.
Speaker 3: You know, you get close to Christmas, you're like, man,
Speaker 3: I can't wait till Christmas or your birthday. Or you
Speaker 3: go into a concert and you get on autopilot because
Speaker 3: you want that event to come quicker. So you have
Speaker 3: to shake yourself. You have to get out of that
Speaker 3: auto pilot and don't let the moment pass you by.
Speaker 3: To be present in the moment and make those memories.
Speaker 3: Man on, Like, make those memory That's what it's about it.
Speaker 3: I have to. It's a stump, man, it's a slump
Speaker 3: to fall into. I've gotten there. And then it's you know, mindfulness, meditation,
Speaker 3: all of that helps to do that and just the
Speaker 3: walking gratitude. Start looking at your life and just find
Speaker 3: the things in your life that you can be thankful for.
Speaker 3: Starting with your breath. Take that deep breath in Holy Spirit.
Speaker 3: And a lot of times I can take that breath
Speaker 3: and I just feel the Holy Spirit when I breathe.
Speaker 3: It's the breath, it's the pneuma. It says Jesus breathed
Speaker 3: upon his disciples they receive the Holy Spirit. We could
Speaker 3: tap into the breath that's the life force. Without that breath,
Speaker 3: you don't exist, you're not animated. This is the breath
Speaker 3: that animates all life. So it's as simple as that
Speaker 3: being thankful for every little thing that we have and
Speaker 3: just our limbs, our health, our family, our friends, you know,
Speaker 3: whatever you have in your life that you're thankful for.
Speaker 3: Man to really sit in all of that and then
Speaker 3: to even speak it out express it, we said, we're
Speaker 3: not talking about a theory. We're talking about or just
Speaker 3: a god who is distant. We're talking about this relationship
Speaker 3: with with the creator that longs for a relationship with you,
Speaker 3: that wants to hang out with you, that wants you
Speaker 3: to tell him or it your your feelings or your
Speaker 3: fears and confess your thoughts to him so he can
Speaker 3: take him. He takes all that, man, and that's what
Speaker 3: it's about. So let me see. So, yeah, thank you
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Speaker 3: I enjoyed this episode, got some more stuff lined up
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Speaker 4: Joe so much, so much, so much, so much Earth.
Speaker 3: Well, that does it for this episode.
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