Speaker 1: This was a vision.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you these people are Satanists as I sit
Speaker 2: here there, Satanists.
Speaker 1: But the world is called these kind of things, black masses, mutilations, mutilations,
Speaker 1: the ink of us, the suck of us. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: we gotta go down to the religious supplies, or we
Speaker 1: gotta get ourselves a couple of gallons of holy water.
Speaker 1: My cousin Jerry's a precy can get us a deal.
Speaker 1: Do you want it to take your family kidnap and
Speaker 1: tear their livers out and make some kind of satanic PATAI?
Speaker 2: Hey, once they get in here, it's over bell.
Speaker 1: Trigger warning.
Speaker 2: This podcast may include explicit content that will take you
Speaker 2: out of your comfort zone and make you question reality.
Speaker 2: Listener's discretion is advised.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of Cleveland Schwill and I
Speaker 1: hope that you are all tucked in and cozy in
Speaker 1: your beds, because let me tell you something. We're about
Speaker 1: to scare the literal shit out of you. Literal shit.
Speaker 2: Hey, this is the thought.
Speaker 1: Were you driving. Don't look in the back seat, there's
Speaker 1: probably a ghost. Don't look in the rear view mirror.
Speaker 1: There's a ghost in the car. That's what we're talking
Speaker 1: about right now on the Cleveland Swill because this episode
Speaker 1: is haunted and I have with me co host Dave Hamilton. Dave,
Speaker 1: how are you since you've been to the to the
Speaker 1: undisclosed location we're about to discuss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm not going to be the one to
Speaker 2: disclose anything. I just know I'm happy to be here,
Speaker 2: happy to be alive, to have survived it. I've been
Speaker 2: getting a lot of comments about a photograph of me
Speaker 2: that was taken laying down in front of a fireplace,
Speaker 2: and so we'll get into that maybe a little bit.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is awesome. And we've got an even
Speaker 2: specialer guest today, so this is going to be awesome.
Speaker 1: Yes, we do. Somebody came into town, into Cleveland, into
Speaker 1: Cleveland's Ohio city, almost particularly for this residence. This residence
Speaker 1: happens to be on Franklin Avenue and it was built
Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds, a little bit after or during
Speaker 1: the Civil War, or a little bit after the Civil War. No,
Speaker 1: it was after the Civil War. We have Cosmic Peach
Speaker 1: back with us. What's up?
Speaker 3: What is up? Brian? I got the goose pimples already.
Speaker 3: I look like a featherless chicken over here, Brian, I
Speaker 3: can't wait to get into tonight's episode.
Speaker 1: I know we did. We're actually doing a dual episode.
Speaker 1: So this is going to air on your on your
Speaker 1: feed and on my feed, and this is going to
Speaker 1: be very interesting. But considering it pertains to Cleveland, I
Speaker 1: couldn't and we all partake in the event, I couldn't
Speaker 1: leave it off my channel.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And I want to ask you, Brian, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what are you sipping on tonight?
Speaker 1: That's a great question. Most people don't ask me that
Speaker 1: I actually picked up something from a new brewery and
Speaker 1: it's something that I actually need. So this brewery is
Speaker 1: called Mad Tree, and I found out Mad Tree Brewery
Speaker 1: is out of Cincinnati. The beer is an ipa surprise, surprise.
Speaker 1: It's called psycho or psychopathy or psychopathy. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to pronounce it, but whatever is, probably I probably
Speaker 1: should be diagnosed with it. So let me go ahead
Speaker 1: and take a simple.
Speaker 3: Hell. Yeah, that's perfect for our episode tonight. We are
Speaker 3: talking about some psycho stuff.
Speaker 1: Yes we are. We most definitely are. Now did you
Speaker 1: bring a beverage with you?
Speaker 3: I did. I do have a beverage. I'll show it
Speaker 3: to you first, and then you can guess what it is.
Speaker 3: It looks like right, okay, so it looks like milk,
Speaker 3: but it is an alcoholic beverage. I'll give you, guys
Speaker 3: one guess what it is, white, I am drinking living
Speaker 3: jewel sake. What sake? That's right. It is a Japanese delicacy. Ah,
Speaker 3: and it's like a milky wine. But it's so delicious, Brian,
Speaker 3: get that fucking look off your face. It is so good.
Speaker 1: Hey, you guys don't want to know what I think
Speaker 1: it looks like.
Speaker 2: Do you heat it up? Or do you drink it
Speaker 2: cold served?
Speaker 3: Chilled? Over ice? Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay? Nice? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: And when I say over ice, you put. They usually
Speaker 3: bring it to you in the at the restaurant in
Speaker 3: a bucket of ice, and you just take the bottle,
Speaker 3: pour a little in your glass, and then stick it
Speaker 3: back in the ice bucket. And they have all different
Speaker 3: kinds of sake that aren't as milky as this one,
Speaker 3: but the alcohol content goes way low when you get
Speaker 3: away from these cloudy ones.
Speaker 1: So what you're telling me is the cloudy ones are
Speaker 1: the ones that bring a smile to everyone's face.
Speaker 3: Yes, including your own. I have to tell you. It's
Speaker 3: if you guys have never tried sake, you need to
Speaker 3: put it on your list because it is delicious. And
Speaker 3: Zachary actually turned me onto it because he loves anime
Speaker 3: and he's a big anime guy, and he was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I bet you'd like sake, and I was like, that
Speaker 3: sounds like like a trailer trash beer or something. I'm
Speaker 3: not drinking that.
Speaker 2: So I don't have sake tonight, but I do know
Speaker 2: what sake is, and I've drank it many times, and
Speaker 2: I like it because you drink it and you you
Speaker 2: kind of get like wasted quickly and then sort of
Speaker 2: over it, yep, and it kind of disappears and then
Speaker 2: you don't have like that. I just drank at twelve
Speaker 2: pack of beer hangover or whatever. That's what I like
Speaker 2: about it. But yes, good choice, and you've just like
Speaker 2: weigh one up to anything anyone's ever drank on this show.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: If you drink too much of it, though, you will
Speaker 3: get this splatty flatulence, so just be careful those with I.
Speaker 1: Don't want that aut.
Speaker 2: Right, So I'm gonna well, listen, I do have a
Speaker 2: drink and I'm trying. I'm doing my best Brian impersonation
Speaker 2: tonight because I also an IPA here. It's from Columbus Brewing,
Speaker 2: which everyone around here would know. And I think this
Speaker 2: is called like Body or Bodie. I can't really tell.
Speaker 2: How Die looks like it's gonna be a good one.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna crack this bad boy open eight point three
Speaker 2: percent alcohol, so I'll be slur half way through it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, here we go.
Speaker 3: Cheers, cheers before the episode.
Speaker 2: Cheers, Cleveland Twill, Cosmic Peach. This is awesome.
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, bottoms up everyone.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the building that we're speaking of top secret,
Speaker 1: and if you saw the title of the episode, Jordy
Speaker 1: know what it is. But we are talking about a
Speaker 1: very famous building right here in Cleveland, the Franklin Castle,
Speaker 1: which Hans Tiedaman owned way way back in the eighteen eighties.
Speaker 1: I think he was the one who built it. Uh
Speaker 1: in Ohio City. There and we got ourselves a tour,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, we got ourselves a tour. Dave was there,
Speaker 1: Julia was there, I was there, Cosmic Peach was there. Uh,
Speaker 1: and it was uh.
Speaker 4: The imagination, let's call it let's call it a tour,
Speaker 4: and then some.
Speaker 3: A tour and then some fuckery, because let's just let's
Speaker 3: start it off like this. We're all standing outside this
Speaker 3: gorgeous establishment, outside of the wrought iron gates, and we're
Speaker 3: just so ready for this thing to get started. I
Speaker 3: was on pins and needles. Everyone was on pins and needles.
Speaker 3: And we meet our host for the night, our tour guide,
Speaker 3: and he comes and he lets us in, and we're
Speaker 3: all very excited to meet him, and I I distinctly
Speaker 3: remember him being a little bit disheveled and a little
Speaker 3: bit like I just woke up from a two hour
Speaker 3: long power nap. Yeah, And I don't know, David, what's
Speaker 3: your first impression of our host?
Speaker 2: My first impression was I was I was intrigued, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, and for the first for the
Speaker 2: first like half hour, I was like sort of really
Speaker 2: enjoying him. But right away the clock, the internal clock
Speaker 2: in my head, and people who know me and are
Speaker 2: close to me know that I get time frames. I'm
Speaker 2: weird about time frames, and if I'm told something I need,
Speaker 2: then it needs to be that. And for like the
Speaker 2: first half hour of this, I was digging on this
Speaker 2: guy's stories and he seemed cool.
Speaker 1: You're right.
Speaker 2: The disheveled look was kind of cool and little bourbon
Speaker 2: on his breath, you know what I mean. It was like,
Speaker 2: this is like an authentic cool This is who you
Speaker 2: want showing you around this place, right, that was my
Speaker 2: first impression.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like home homeboy's been drinking. That's what
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we're about to have a good time. He's
Speaker 3: nice and loosened up and ready to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what.
Speaker 1: Well And you know what though, that's just I hate
Speaker 1: to say it. That's my stereo type of your opinions.
Speaker 1: I feel like they're always drinking.
Speaker 3: So he's wearing like five different types of patterns, like
Speaker 3: corduroy and some other checkered. He had on like seventeen
Speaker 3: different patterns. And it was like my brother had his
Speaker 3: ticket on his other phone, so he let everybody else
Speaker 3: in the gate, and so you ran back out to
Speaker 3: your car to get your other phone, and he was like, okay,
Speaker 3: well we even wait for him, and then we all
Speaker 3: go in the house and he doesn't even check that
Speaker 3: you have the he just lets you back in. You
Speaker 3: could have totally just been bullshitting that you had the
Speaker 3: ticket at.
Speaker 2: All, would have thought about it. And looking back on
Speaker 2: it too, I realize now he would go from like
Speaker 2: very nonchalant to like super serious in like quickly, you
Speaker 2: know what he's saying.
Speaker 5: They're going around the castle and it's beautiful and oh
Speaker 5: look at this.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, and you'd just be like.
Speaker 1: There was like no in between.
Speaker 2: It was a super nonchalant or you're kicked out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because so the first room that we're escorted into,
Speaker 3: we go through this beautiful little entryway and it breaks
Speaker 3: off into a double living room. Is what it looks
Speaker 3: like to me. It's like definitely like a smoking lounge
Speaker 3: type of area, and they've painted the walls red. They
Speaker 3: have some silly looking spiderwebby thing moment happening, and I
Speaker 3: actually thought it smelt like kind of like sage or
Speaker 3: they were burning like incense for sure, right, And it
Speaker 3: just added to the whole mystique of the room. And
Speaker 3: you're like, oh my gosh, this is gonna be great.
Speaker 3: But then he goes, Okay, you take photographs, I'll be back,
Speaker 3: and then he just slips off through a doorway, closes
Speaker 3: the door, and he leaves us to our own devices
Speaker 3: for like, would you say maybe twenty minutes?
Speaker 2: It was, it was a good long while. And again,
Speaker 2: think about what you just said. He left us in
Speaker 2: this room for what maybe twenty minutes? This is supposed
Speaker 2: to be an hour tour. We were not out of
Speaker 2: the word. Okay, we were in the first room where
Speaker 2: you said, there's the incense. We go down into a stairway,
Speaker 2: we see a stairway. I'm not kidding you. It was
Speaker 2: a stairway. Then a little door opens up in the
Speaker 2: stairway and we're down in this room and I think
Speaker 2: at that point we had been there for an hour already. Yes,
Speaker 2: technically the tour had not begun yet.
Speaker 6: Really really, yeah, let me just throw you in on
Speaker 6: how this is.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ruin the tour for anybody by
Speaker 1: saying this, but if anybody wants to do this tour,
Speaker 1: the first thing you got to understand is one, it's
Speaker 1: not an hour. There's no way it's an hour. This
Speaker 1: man is never going to do a one hour tour. Also,
Speaker 1: if you want to know anything about ghost spirits, hauntings,
Speaker 1: this is not the tour for you.
Speaker 3: If you want to learn about architecture, this is the
Speaker 3: tour for you.
Speaker 1: You want to know if you want to know where
Speaker 1: one of the leaves fell in the backyard thirty years ago,
Speaker 1: and how it's still there, and that it's doesn't belong
Speaker 1: to any of the trees in the yard, and that
Speaker 1: maybe there's a mouse living under a rock somewhere in
Speaker 1: the house. This is the tour for you. Any any
Speaker 1: information that you'd be like, that's completely irrelevant. Thank you
Speaker 1: for telling you. I wish I never knew that, and
Speaker 1: I will soon forget it. That's the til you're gonna
Speaker 1: be hond Yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, and again, it's not that the things he says
Speaker 2: aren't to some degree interesting, but it's the wrong sort
Speaker 2: of it's the wrong sort of thing you would think
Speaker 2: you'd be going in for. Like like we were saying,
Speaker 2: it's like he would occasionally mention a creepy story that
Speaker 2: like some there were bones found here, or there was
Speaker 2: this or that, but if you said anything about paranormal
Speaker 2: or spirits or anything, he would do one of the
Speaker 2: real serious things and he would be like, the house
Speaker 2: will tell you if it's haunted or not. Like he'd
Speaker 2: feel like weird ethereal sort of philosophical things, but never
Speaker 2: actually say. He would almost get mad if you would
Speaker 2: say the house was haunted, but then he would make
Speaker 2: the house have its own personality and stuff.
Speaker 1: He would get mad if you if you said the
Speaker 1: house was haunted, but then tell you that he's had
Speaker 1: conversations with no one for fifteen minutes. Yes, I think
Speaker 1: that it was somebody else. Yes, And like that's the
Speaker 1: kind of thing that the house would do.
Speaker 2: And what did you think the video that went viral
Speaker 2: that they pulled down because it was just way too viral,
Speaker 2: that that was like.
Speaker 3: A servant in the background or something. Somebody took a
Speaker 3: video in the basement in the servants quarters where we were.
Speaker 1: I want to hear you, guys, has you ever heard
Speaker 1: of a video beating taket? This was just too viral.
Speaker 1: We just did we could, guys, it's just way too viral.
Speaker 1: We're getting way too much advertisement.
Speaker 2: Money on this thing.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: We just to pull this thing down. I can't cash
Speaker 2: all these checks.
Speaker 1: All it was.
Speaker 3: He even said they posted it onto their Facebook channel
Speaker 3: and it was just going so crazy that they took
Speaker 3: their Facebook channel down.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't just expand your bandwidth, no, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: you get those followers not in Germany.
Speaker 3: He had like this weird creepiness about him, like already,
Speaker 3: and then like Brian's sister Kim leans over to me
Speaker 3: and she's like she won't admit it, but she's totally
Speaker 3: into this shit, and she like leaned into me and
Speaker 3: she goes, what if the house really does choose the owner?
Speaker 3: I mean, think about it, Julie. He's German and he
Speaker 3: just so happens to be eccentric enough to do this tour.
Speaker 3: And I was like looking at her and I was like, no,
Speaker 3: do you really? Because he said everybody moved in moved
Speaker 3: out exactly two years later on the day, except.
Speaker 1: For if the house didn't want them.
Speaker 3: Yes, the house didn't want them.
Speaker 1: So so let's let's give them a little Let me
Speaker 1: start from the beginning. We walked in. This is what
Speaker 1: you're gonna expect. You're gonna walk in. They're gonna get
Speaker 1: the group together. I'm gonna give you, guys this whole
Speaker 1: tour that we saw in five minutes. This is what happens,
Speaker 1: all right, and then we can talk about the details.
Speaker 1: You walk in, you smell alcohol on some breaths. You
Speaker 1: come in, go into the front door, some kind of
Speaker 1: ethereal music is playing, incenses lit. Most of the lights
Speaker 1: in the house are off, candles lit. You're kind of
Speaker 1: wondering the structure of the building. You're left to your
Speaker 1: own devices. You kind of just walk around for a
Speaker 1: minute in the rooms. Get to know the people that
Speaker 1: you're gonna be on the tour with if you talk
Speaker 1: to them. There's a dining room table, and there's a
Speaker 1: few couches you're for you to sit anywhere you want.
Speaker 1: He comes back in the room. You're gonna get a
Speaker 1: thing about a time machine. He's gonna talk about a
Speaker 1: time machine. He's gonna talk about stops along the time machine.
Speaker 1: This time machine is about when the house is built,
Speaker 1: several of the different owners that have the house. You
Speaker 1: leave that area when he's done talking about the time machine. Granted,
Speaker 1: Dave filled you in this. We're already fifty minutes into
Speaker 1: the tour of what you thought was gonna be a
Speaker 1: one hour tour. By the time we go to the
Speaker 1: next room. Go into a next room. He starts asking
Speaker 1: you to knock on all the walls. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: knocking on some walls, blow and behold secret passageway. Goom bam,
Speaker 1: go down to the right.
Speaker 3: Just wait the way you're desscribing it, you're gonna knock
Speaker 3: on some walls, blow mill secret way.
Speaker 1: Because I have to cut out the part where he's
Speaker 1: asking you for fifteen minutes straight, look at this wood.
Speaker 1: Look at the Did you know this wood comes from
Speaker 1: the east side of Cleveland? Look at you? No, stop
Speaker 1: everything you're doing. Stop breathing. Hey, look you missed one.
Speaker 3: Of the important details though, for this to make sense,
Speaker 3: which is his flashlight that hardly works.
Speaker 1: Oh, he has to press the button seventeen times to
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 3: To the so he'll be like, look at this. Oh,
Speaker 3: then it goes look at this uh door hinge.
Speaker 2: He How many times did he make a stupid joke
Speaker 2: or something where he'd be like, boy, if I just
Speaker 2: would have been in the new flashlight by now, I
Speaker 2: was all right if this toolton by now. He said
Speaker 2: that like six times.
Speaker 3: It was only funny the first time because then we
Speaker 3: were like, get that fight fly fight on it.
Speaker 1: Oh good and it I couldn't stand.
Speaker 3: It because okay, Brian, we're knocking on the door, We're
Speaker 3: knocking on the walls. Lo and behold, secret passageway.
Speaker 1: Proceed very narrow stairway like.
Speaker 3: Which is actually had like caution tape on it.
Speaker 1: I don't think if you're handicapped, I don't think you
Speaker 1: should take this tour. I'm not saying that as a dick.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that in a rude way. If you
Speaker 1: have if you even have trouble walking, or if you're
Speaker 1: like severely overweight, I wouldn't do the tour. You're gonna
Speaker 1: kill yourself. That stairwell, that stairwell. My knees hurt looking
Speaker 1: at that stairwell. I started going down and had to
Speaker 1: do one stair at a time. It's this windy stairwell
Speaker 1: and the stairs are like four inches wide, so you've
Speaker 1: got to put your foot sideways. And it was an
Speaker 1: old servant's stairwell, so the servants would stand these quarters
Speaker 1: in the basement, and if somebody knocked on the door,
Speaker 1: it was a secret passageway up to the front door.
Speaker 1: But you're in this basement and he's like, well, some
Speaker 1: pipes run under here and it causes all sorts of
Speaker 1: humidity and condensation, and then that heats up. You go
Speaker 1: down there, you can't see shit. It is complete steam everywhere.
Speaker 1: Can't see your hand in front of your face. Frankly,
Speaker 1: I don't know what we were breathing in. I think
Speaker 1: it was hallucinogenics. I'm not gonna lie. Uh, probably some
Speaker 1: sort of hallucinogenics. It's trying to make you think that
Speaker 1: the seventeen hour tour you were just on is only
Speaker 1: five minutes.
Speaker 3: Anybody that in HeLa, anybody need any hala?
Speaker 4: Anybody here asthmatic?
Speaker 2: Okay, moving on? So the tool like, I mean, he
Speaker 2: just but but let's face it, so so Brian. The
Speaker 2: next maneuver you and I both agree was really just
Speaker 2: an excuse for him to leave the room, to to
Speaker 2: have some more have some more spirits.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that that. You know, I'm starting to think
Speaker 1: the only spirits that were in the Franklin Castle we're
Speaker 1: the ones in his bourbon bottle.
Speaker 2: I will say that by the end of the tour,
Speaker 2: all like all any anybody's ideas about what was going
Speaker 2: on with the castle, all the creepiness was really just
Speaker 2: coming from him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: All the stories were like you get because Brian said
Speaker 2: it all at once, where it was just at all
Speaker 2: hit us. He's like, aren't you real You've got this
Speaker 2: German accent. It's like, are we being led around this
Speaker 2: castle by a ghost right now? Is that what's actually happening?
Speaker 2: And honestly, that was the most interesting idea I had
Speaker 2: the entire time I was there. Was that that, and
Speaker 2: he was leading us around there, and there was going
Speaker 2: to be a twist at the end. I wanted it
Speaker 2: to happen so bad, but really, bus Brian just left.
Speaker 3: Yes, we're down there in this freaking misty, dusty basement,
Speaker 3: and he leaves again for another like twenty minutes, and
Speaker 3: he's like, take some photos in this Mira and then
Speaker 3: don't look now, check them later. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: but it didn't take twenty minutes for all eight of
Speaker 3: us to take a picture.
Speaker 1: Well, not only that, but before he slides out, he
Speaker 1: tries to like leave you with something. I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is philosophical or what, but he leaves you
Speaker 1: with unanswered questions. So you'll be down there and they'll
Speaker 1: be like a chair that looks like something you'd see
Speaker 1: on bult garbage day on the side of the road
Speaker 1: and it's all beat up. He's like, dad's a story
Speaker 1: behind this chair, and the story is extremely interesting, and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you what happens. Why. I
Speaker 1: remember him saying that, He's like, the story behind this
Speaker 1: chair will give you chills up and down your spine.
Speaker 1: Am I real I don't know, Bye, that's what he said.
Speaker 2: And then you'd say is this place haunted? And he
Speaker 2: would say, how dare you? How dare you even say
Speaker 2: that this place was haunted? And it's like, so the
Speaker 2: whole look at him.
Speaker 1: And be like, you do realize each one of us
Speaker 1: paid thirty five dollars because we believe this place is haunted.
Speaker 1: None of us give a flying fuck about Hans Tenamin
Speaker 1: or anybody else. Maybe it's I mean, granted.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of the more interesting things he did say, though,
Speaker 3: is that there was a part of the room that's
Speaker 3: like carved out in like a weird ornamental shape, and
Speaker 3: he was like, does anybody know what they use this
Speaker 3: part of the room for? And I was like thinking,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's kind of awkward. Maybe it was
Speaker 3: like a smoking area or something like that. And then
Speaker 3: he drops the bomb on us that they used to
Speaker 3: prop up dead bodies and drap them up and take
Speaker 3: photographs of them in that and like have full displays of.
Speaker 1: The body, which is something that was common in the
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds that we.
Speaker 3: Learned that was crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's that's just it. There were some really
Speaker 2: cool things about the house, but we didn't need to
Speaker 2: hear about each one for a half hour or like
Speaker 2: a wallpaper. Yeah, that's basically the bottom line. If it
Speaker 2: like Brian's, if you just want to see a really
Speaker 2: really cool place, go look at this place. You should.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's got a really cool vibe.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that you could make that place. If
Speaker 1: you did an hour tour of that place with with
Speaker 1: just the good stories and they edited it, it'd be
Speaker 1: one of the best tours in Cleveland, no hands down,
Speaker 1: no question in my mind. Dude.
Speaker 2: If they actually did keep that to an hour tour,
Speaker 2: you would love it, You really would. You would love it.
Speaker 1: You get you through that whole house in an hour.
Speaker 1: And he's like they propped up the dead people, you know,
Speaker 1: like when somebody died, his daughter died, they had the funeral.
Speaker 1: Here you're standing where that happened.
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: People are like that's interesting, Oh that's different. But then
Speaker 1: when you're walking by and then and then you just
Speaker 1: walk right out of there and you go right down,
Speaker 1: He's like, start knocking on the walls. Oh, look, secret passage.
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit. The wood came from a
Speaker 1: game a stand, dude, I don't give a shit. Nobody
Speaker 1: gives a shit in Cleveland where that wood came from
Speaker 1: the only way people care if where the wood comes
Speaker 1: from is if it literally came from Cleveland. And they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this particular builder in Cleveland, and he said that for
Speaker 1: one part of it. I'm like, that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: But once you start getting into where every little thing
Speaker 1: comes from, where every little hinge on the door comes from,
Speaker 1: where every window pane comes from, that's interesting to you
Speaker 1: because you rebuilt the house, which is awesome, and you
Speaker 1: you rebuilt it from original floor plants, and that's something
Speaker 1: you can bring up right then in there and tell
Speaker 1: everybody about. And you worked with the city of Cleveland.
Speaker 1: That stuff can be interesting. Yeah, but the extras, you
Speaker 1: gotta know where to cut yourself off. Give us.
Speaker 2: Give us one fact. I like the kind of tour guys.
Speaker 2: And you know, now that I've been on this sort
Speaker 2: of tour where it just went way, way too long,
Speaker 2: I appreciate those kind of tour guides. Now where they're
Speaker 2: kind of dragging you around. And if someone else was
Speaker 2: doing that tour, they'd be like and over there in
Speaker 2: that they actually held funerals back in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 4: That was like a thing that they did.
Speaker 2: But anyway, moving on, we got lots to see, like
Speaker 2: that's who you want. You want that person, like, hey,
Speaker 2: you in the back trying to vape moving.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of that scene. There was a scene
Speaker 1: in Gremlins too, I think, and it was a joke
Speaker 1: on people that do like tours in places, and I
Speaker 1: never forgot it and I used to laugh at it.
Speaker 1: But this is truly what this door needed. And it
Speaker 1: would be like, hey, they used to do some funerals
Speaker 1: over there. They'd put some coins over the eyes and
Speaker 1: everybody come and visit. We're moving, we're moving. We're all
Speaker 1: moving together. We're moving. Walk with me. We're moving. We're moving.
Speaker 1: We're moving, We're moving. That's what you need to do
Speaker 1: in that tour.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if the whole group, we're moving, we're moving. Everybody,
Speaker 1: we're moving. Over here, come on, let's go. It's just
Speaker 1: nice and quick and people as long as they're interacting
Speaker 1: with the house and with an individual and they're moving,
Speaker 1: They're gonna be intrigued. They may even walk.
Speaker 2: More, leave them wanting more. Man exactly, that's the name
Speaker 2: of the game.
Speaker 3: Speaking of wanting more, myself and our cousin had to
Speaker 3: go to the bathroom and that threw him off because
Speaker 3: he didn't want us to go to the bathroom. And
Speaker 3: he was like, Okay, use, you have to go to
Speaker 3: the bathroom. And then after we got back you Brian
Speaker 3: started telling an actually interesting story that everyone was super
Speaker 3: captivated by and that pissed him off.
Speaker 1: A pin drop into you that story.
Speaker 3: Can you tell the story for the listeners tonight, especially
Speaker 3: my listeners who have never heard it before.
Speaker 1: Okay, I will, and if and we actually told this
Speaker 1: story on Cleveland twelve podcast, yes, on our Halloween episode,
Speaker 1: and and I'm gonna kind of just give it the gist.
Speaker 1: But there is a cemetery and I wish I could
Speaker 1: remember the name of it, but it's right where seventy
Speaker 1: one and twenty fifth Street meet. It's an old cemetery, okay,
Speaker 1: And on certain nights there is a hitchhiker that hangs
Speaker 1: out outside the cemetery. And this hitchhiker has been seen
Speaker 1: for over the course, like by several people over the
Speaker 1: course of like eighty years, ninety years. There's various tales
Speaker 1: of so many different people in so many different time
Speaker 1: periods and so many different decades picking up this hitchhiker, okay,
Speaker 1: and the hitchhiker is always described the exact same way,
Speaker 1: Victorian era type clothing, very neatly dressed, looks to be
Speaker 1: affluent or wealthy. And you'll get into the vehicle that
Speaker 1: they speak with a thick German accent, and they asked
Speaker 1: to go to a particular house of Franklin Avenue, and
Speaker 1: they will make small talk with whoever is the driver,
Speaker 1: and then when they get dropped off, they will take
Speaker 1: a few steps out of the car and disappear. But
Speaker 1: there was a time in the nineteen eighties I've lived.
Speaker 1: It was nineteen eighty one that an individual picked up
Speaker 1: a hitchhiker there and he was speaking German to the driver,
Speaker 1: and the driver reiterated what he had heard, which I
Speaker 1: can't remember what it was in German, but it translated
Speaker 1: into I need to see my daughter or something along
Speaker 1: those lines. I'm going to see my daughter and gave
Speaker 1: him the address. He shows up, he said I'll be
Speaker 1: right back. And he actually watched this individual get out,
Speaker 1: walk all the way into the house, close the door
Speaker 1: behind him, and he waited for this person to come
Speaker 1: back out because he had said something to him about
Speaker 1: it is the anniversary of my daughter and I need
Speaker 1: to see her. And he's like, man, he has been
Speaker 1: in there forever, and I'm waiting for him to come
Speaker 1: back up. Well, he never comes back out. So this
Speaker 1: guy contacts the police. He thinks something might have happened
Speaker 1: to him, you know, because he went up to the door,
Speaker 1: he's knocking on the door and nobody comes out. He
Speaker 1: ends up calling the police and they end up doing
Speaker 1: this investigation and they come to find out that that
Speaker 1: was the one hundredth anniversary of Hi Tiedeman's daughter's death,
Speaker 1: and he believes it was Hans Tiedeman who was going
Speaker 1: into say his goodbyes to his or on the anniversary
Speaker 1: of his daughter's death to reunite with his daughter for
Speaker 1: a night. But that was a very interesting Cleveland ghost
Speaker 1: story to me, and I told it, and when I
Speaker 1: told it, I said, you know, this is the door
Speaker 1: that he dropped him off to. Right up there, we're
Speaker 1: standing right next to that door now, to be honest
Speaker 1: with everybody, and I don't know. You had kind of
Speaker 1: told me how you felt, but I never really felt
Speaker 1: anything in any of the rooms that we were in,
Speaker 1: never felt a creepy vibe except for one of them.
Speaker 1: But Dave, did you ever have any creepy vibes in
Speaker 1: that house?
Speaker 2: Not really? I do want to say though you hearing
Speaker 2: the story you just told standing within the walls of
Speaker 2: that house does definitely give it a different tone and feel.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And it totally pissed our German to a
Speaker 3: guide off.
Speaker 4: He did.
Speaker 1: He wasn't one to have it.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to hear it at all, which I
Speaker 2: thought was crazy. But as as far as as far
Speaker 2: as feeling creepy vibes in the house, like, seriously, for me,
Speaker 2: that wasn't going to happen because of my I've got
Speaker 2: I'm obsessive compulsive with time frames. And I even said
Speaker 2: to somebody when we were standing down in that first
Speaker 2: smoky room, it was either you, Julie or Kim, but
Speaker 2: one of you. I was standing there next to and
Speaker 2: I and I literally said, I'm running the numbers here
Speaker 2: and there is no way this is a one hour
Speaker 2: two I said, unless he's unless he's literally gonna walk
Speaker 2: us through that door and say here's a hallway tours over.
Speaker 2: This isn't going to be an hour tour.
Speaker 3: But you know, you told me, and I was kind
Speaker 3: of like at the time, I was like, well, maybe
Speaker 3: it speeds up, Like after we get out of this room,
Speaker 3: he's like taking us up the stairs and then it's
Speaker 3: kind of like over. Then. I would like, as we
Speaker 3: like we left out of the smokey basement, and then
Speaker 3: when he got to the second time where he was
Speaker 3: gathering all of us up and he started clicking his
Speaker 3: fucking flashlight again, I was like, oh, no, it doesn't
Speaker 3: speed up.
Speaker 2: It doesn't speed up. But as far as creepiness, let's
Speaker 2: move on to the room where Brian said he felt
Speaker 2: his first creepy vibe. That that's where I would say
Speaker 2: probably I did feel some some off puttedness in that
Speaker 2: room where he had the pagan music. It was the
Speaker 2: murder happened.
Speaker 3: Yes, I got straight up lightheadedness. Even in that room.
Speaker 3: It was like as soon as you walked into it,
Speaker 3: you kind of felt like, oh, like.
Speaker 2: What is this was a definite denseness to that room
Speaker 2: and sort of like just an uncomfortable feeling. And Brian,
Speaker 2: that's what Brian had said too. He was just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I you know, he goes, I up. What did you say, Brian?
Speaker 2: You go, I honestly haven't felt one paranormal feeling this
Speaker 2: entire until we've gotten in this room right here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't I don't bullshit with that stuff. If
Speaker 1: I go to a location and I don't feel anything anywhere,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna say. I don't feel it. I'm
Speaker 1: not feeling it. I'm not scared. I got in there,
Speaker 1: and you know the one thing I will say. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if this played into my psyche at
Speaker 1: that point, but he had made a comment about he
Speaker 1: never feels secure in that room. He doesn't like being
Speaker 1: in that room, he doesn't feel well in that room. Okay,
Speaker 1: he did say that before we entered the room. Then
Speaker 1: we're in the room and he had purposely put some
Speaker 1: things in there that would make you a little creeped out.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, guys, I don't this is
Speaker 1: gonna sound so bad, but I don't feel like when
Speaker 1: I see particular religious objects placed in certain rooms where
Speaker 1: you know it's not a religious household. But you have
Speaker 1: all these religious I think it's like you're putting up
Speaker 1: a specific vibe. And there was a picture in there, guys,
Speaker 1: of a seductive Jesus. And when I'm talking about seductive Jesus,
Speaker 1: there was something on his face. It was like the
Speaker 1: smirk on his face. I'd never it almost looked like
Speaker 1: one of those goofy pictures of Jesus that you would see.
Speaker 3: And it was like a mockery.
Speaker 2: It was as was huge bogynous. It was almost androgynists,
Speaker 2: like like if real Jesus and Freddie Mercury had a baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was freaking weird. And then like right behind
Speaker 3: him as he's talking about this room, I got major, major,
Speaker 3: major creeps in that room. But he has like an
Speaker 3: old fashioned record player going and then the record to
Speaker 3: cover sleeve for display and it says pagan festival.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's purposeful. It's purpose all purposeful.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and like I said, so it's a it's
Speaker 2: an interesting thing to Brian's point though, where he goes, hey, man,
Speaker 2: if I'm having a weird feeling, I'll tell you or
Speaker 2: if I'm not. Because within a half power, we were
Speaker 2: in another room and Brian was accusing the guy.
Speaker 3: Can you beat that because you.
Speaker 1: Broke up really bad there.
Speaker 2: Your microphone, No, I said, I said, I know Brian
Speaker 2: will be straight up if he's feeling uncomfortable in a
Speaker 2: room or not. Because within a half hour of leaving
Speaker 2: that room, he was accusing the guy of buying his
Speaker 2: artwork at a yard sale in the next room.
Speaker 1: I'm straight up said that to him too.
Speaker 3: You freaking call him out. But before we even get
Speaker 3: to that part, I have to say something you guys
Speaker 3: skipped over. Is he said something about like Michelle, somebody
Speaker 3: chamber or someone who had some kind of stock in Yahoo,
Speaker 3: had bought the Franklin Castle before and she had thrown
Speaker 3: some kind of a party. And then after the party,
Speaker 3: some guy broke into the basement and he set the
Speaker 3: Franklin Castle on fire. He was trying to burn out
Speaker 3: the evil spirits. And then immediately after that we went
Speaker 3: into the creepiest fucking room in the whole castle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that room too, somebody was killed in that room.
Speaker 2: They were killing, like murder style murder in that room.
Speaker 1: And it was kind of like it was servant quarters
Speaker 1: for a little while. It was a honeymoon suite. It
Speaker 1: was like where the butler stayed, and it was where
Speaker 1: that mache stayed. That she was one of the I
Speaker 1: don't know if I would say founding member of Yahoo,
Speaker 1: but she's like late nineties working at Yahoo, probably one
Speaker 1: of twenty employees. And I'm sure, as you know, Yahoo
Speaker 1: got bigger and bigger during that time, she was, you know,
Speaker 1: falling into a little bit more money. Purchased. The property,
Speaker 1: had a Halloween party and this guy comes to the
Speaker 1: Halloween party and he was invited, Like they invited a
Speaker 1: bunch of people to this Halloween party at the Franklin Castle.
Speaker 1: And everybody knew back then, guys, around the year two thousand,
Speaker 1: the Franklin Castle had the same reputation as it does today.
Speaker 1: Haunted place, one of those haunted locations in Cleveland. We
Speaker 1: all know that, right. And this guy straight up was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get rid of this place. It's evil
Speaker 1: and a lot of stuff has happened there. I mean,
Speaker 1: as we're going through the tour, he even the current
Speaker 1: owners talking about like when they were knocking down certain
Speaker 1: parts of the wall, they're finding Nazi artifacts that he
Speaker 1: says he throws away. I mean, even me, you guys.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't believe in Nazism, but I'd still
Speaker 1: be like, that's kind of fucking cool.
Speaker 3: You know, a piece of history that's been buried within
Speaker 3: the house.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's not like you just burn this stuff
Speaker 1: or whatever. You're like, this stuff's interesting because it's a
Speaker 1: part of history. But anyway, that's just me personally, because
Speaker 1: you know, all regimes and and and people in history
Speaker 1: have done horrible things. So it's just like, I don't mean,
Speaker 1: where do you morally draw the line.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, it's if you dug up a time capsule
Speaker 2: that you had no idea that was there, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, two hundred years from now and it
Speaker 2: just happened to be all full of Nazi shit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: mega interesting. And that's like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: that's just the thing. It's the history of someone put
Speaker 2: it there. They threw it in there. Okay, they were
Speaker 2: crazy people, but still they left a big thing. Let's
Speaker 2: look at it. Same kind of deal with that castle.
Speaker 2: You go in there and you say to yourself. And
Speaker 2: I thought that the tour guy actually made an interesting
Speaker 2: point where he said certain things they don't they don't
Speaker 2: digging to find things within the walls, because the way
Speaker 2: he put it was he says, these things need to
Speaker 2: be discovered as they're meant to be discovered. And I
Speaker 2: thought that was kind of a good anecdote, you know
Speaker 2: about like a house mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the house definitely has some history, and we
Speaker 1: can get into some of that at the end, you know,
Speaker 1: after we're done talking about the tour, we've talked about
Speaker 1: some of the real history. But it was it was
Speaker 1: I mean, that kind of stuff is interesting, and those
Speaker 1: little snippets I think would be interesting to anybody, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what he found there? What is there?
Speaker 2: Well for Julie though, like your your audience, especially when
Speaker 2: you really do think about that that guy was invited
Speaker 2: to the party. Okay, he must have been a fairly
Speaker 2: normal person if you're being invited to a party like that,
Speaker 2: right to a person who's healthy and has the kind
Speaker 2: of money to buy that place or whatever, and for
Speaker 2: you to kind of be convinced in the short time
Speaker 2: you're in that house at a party that the place
Speaker 2: is evil. It kind of makes you wonder what his
Speaker 2: experience was. And I think I'm right now having a
Speaker 2: really cool idea for a screenplay.
Speaker 3: What's the screenplay.
Speaker 2: Well, think about it. You get invited to this Franklin
Speaker 2: Castle place, and it's just the crazy experience this guy
Speaker 2: has that leads him to burn it down at the end,
Speaker 2: and by the end of the movie you have to
Speaker 2: be agreeing with him that the place needs to be burned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by his perspective, if you don't know what a
Speaker 1: person's perspective is, you know, is he more in tune
Speaker 1: with certain things than other people are, right, something whispering
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 3: Like the Amityville House, Like he got in there and
Speaker 3: then like he was shiny, yeah.
Speaker 1: Shiny, shining talking to them that other people are like,
Speaker 1: you're crazy now, and then he's.
Speaker 3: Like, this place has got to go.
Speaker 1: Some people are really in tune with weird stuff like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's why I think for me it makes for such
Speaker 2: a great movie type story because anything could have happened
Speaker 2: to him. We don't know. It could have been it
Speaker 2: could have been fourteen oh eight up in there for
Speaker 2: an hour, you know what, Like he just came out
Speaker 2: and was like, this place got a fucking burn, you know.
Speaker 2: But that to me is the interesting part of that
Speaker 2: guy just needing to burn the place because listen, I've
Speaker 2: had weird thoughts where I was like, this place creeps
Speaker 2: me out. Never been enough to make me actually go
Speaker 2: back and sneak in and burn a place down.
Speaker 3: And you know what they said, it burnt for two
Speaker 3: hours straight and it's still standing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well we know there's wood particles everywhere. We
Speaker 2: saw them at.
Speaker 3: Way wo wo whoa wah. Don't even tell that story yet, Brian.
Speaker 3: What happens after we get out of the creepy.
Speaker 1: Room, Well, this is where things start to get fuzzy
Speaker 1: for me, because the only things I started thinking about
Speaker 1: was eating food and leaving. Yes, but once we left
Speaker 1: that room, so so to put things in perspective, guys,
Speaker 1: it sounds like, oh, hey, I would have you know,
Speaker 1: you got some extra time in the house. That's great.
Speaker 1: Show up at five forty five. You're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's make plans to have dinner after we leave. This
Speaker 1: is a one hour tour, will be out at seven.
Speaker 1: There's plenty of restaurants that I want to eat at
Speaker 1: in Ohio City, which was one hundred percent our playing. Okay,
Speaker 1: everybody went there not eating dinner because we believed a
Speaker 1: one hour tour meant one hour tour.
Speaker 2: Sixty minutes.
Speaker 1: We were on our one and a half almost two hours.
Speaker 1: We're probably on hour two when we left that room
Speaker 1: that I'm talking about where the murder had occurred, where
Speaker 1: sexual Jesus is shown, where you know, we all had
Speaker 1: a creepy feeling, and pagan records are being played, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, you go, well, how many records could
Speaker 1: be at this guy's disposal. Let me tell you, well,
Speaker 1: over five thousand to ten thousand records are sitting in
Speaker 1: the Franklin Castle right now. Look it up. A record
Speaker 1: company bought out some of the rooms up there, and
Speaker 1: they have thousands upon thousands of records. He could have chose, Yes,
Speaker 1: pagan fest is what plays, and that's on purpose. Let's
Speaker 1: not mistake him.
Speaker 2: Pagan Festival.
Speaker 1: So we leave that room and we go upstairs now,
Speaker 1: and you're kind of backwards at this point, you're like
Speaker 1: in this labyrinth. You kind of lose track of where
Speaker 1: you're at. And he shows an office and goes into
Speaker 1: where you know, this is a small office and people
Speaker 1: didn't have offices back then, and blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: you got this office. And then he talks about offices downtown.
Speaker 1: Then he talks about offices in the house, and you're like,
Speaker 1: you're trying to keep trap, like you think I'm going
Speaker 1: in circles. You be in the house listening to him.
Speaker 1: You're like, where is he going with this house is downtown?
Speaker 1: So next thing you know, and then I don't know
Speaker 1: where he's like and that is how key Banks started downtown.
Speaker 1: And you're like, well, I still don't know how it
Speaker 1: started because I don't know when you started, what you're
Speaker 1: talking about, and when you ended. And all I know
Speaker 1: is that my stomach is growling and blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. So finally we go into this he dramatically
Speaker 1: opens this wall and there's a bedroom there and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm finally like, oh, this is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I pull out my phone. You guys, I hadn't taken
Speaker 1: one f and picture the whole time. Everybody else had
Speaker 1: had seventeen hours of footage. Yep. I pulled my phone
Speaker 1: out for five seconds, and he goes, we do not
Speaker 1: take pictures. Yeah, I can kill no fold up.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I snuck every single video that I had on my phone.
Speaker 3: I snuck it, like while you guys were going up
Speaker 3: with the tour. I hung back and I waited till
Speaker 3: he wasn't looking, and I like panned my phone around
Speaker 3: the room and that's the way. And I had somebody
Speaker 3: comment on that video I made in there, like, oh,
Speaker 3: it looks like you guys had a really cool tour,
Speaker 3: and I was like, dude, I snuck all of those
Speaker 3: fucking photos and videos I snuck around. They wouldn't even
Speaker 3: let you take any videos.
Speaker 1: That's true, dude.
Speaker 2: I will also say they've done a really good job
Speaker 2: of that over the years, I guess, because like if
Speaker 2: you go on dude, for any place that's like a
Speaker 2: notoriously haunted place like the Franklin Castle, is you if
Speaker 2: you go on YouTube or any of these places, there's
Speaker 2: just gonna be hundreds of documentaries about it, right, Like
Speaker 2: you could just go right on there the Middlefield Penitentiary
Speaker 2: or these places, you know what I mean, or whatever
Speaker 2: like that. And it's like, for some reason, there's almost
Speaker 2: nothing about Franklin Castle that's worth even remotely looking at, right,
Speaker 2: but he needs to do like a killer documentary about
Speaker 2: Franklin isn't one right now?
Speaker 1: There is? That is true? There is a whole Wikipedia
Speaker 1: page though.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but people like visual like like being in the video,
Speaker 6: like looking around and like hearing someone narrating, like this
Speaker 6: is this and this is this.
Speaker 3: There isn't anything like that for Franklin Castle.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I know that this is where this happened, and this
Speaker 1: is where this happened, and this is what story happened.
Speaker 2: Basically, give you the tour that we were looking to
Speaker 2: have before we got fucking full bledged Gilligan's Island up
Speaker 2: in there. You know, no shit turn into a three
Speaker 2: hour tour.
Speaker 3: This is the same room though, where he asked our
Speaker 3: cousin Brittany. He was like, what time is it? And
Speaker 3: she was like, it's eight forty five and he was like,
Speaker 3: is everyone going on time?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 4: Time?
Speaker 2: Okay? Moving on, And dude, I told you from the
Speaker 2: minute we were in the smoky room in the basement,
Speaker 2: my PTSD was just full kicked in that we were
Speaker 2: off schedule. I cannot stand to be on that tubes.
Speaker 1: You guys, this is the thing that bothers me. You're
Speaker 1: doing tours for people. I understand you're extremely into your
Speaker 1: craft and you're remodeling and you want to tell everybody
Speaker 1: about it because it's like telling somebody about your art
Speaker 1: and you think, oh, I've got all these great listeners
Speaker 1: to that are so interested in my artwork. The reality
Speaker 1: is none of us are interested in your in your artwork.
Speaker 1: That sucks for me to say that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: am a little bit. Maybe you know enough for you
Speaker 1: to tell me how you did this, that and the
Speaker 1: other thing, but intricate details. No, everybody's there to hear
Speaker 1: ghost stories, stories about the house, history of the house,
Speaker 1: what happened where, Yeah, blah blah blah blah blah. That's it. Hey.
Speaker 2: Basically, what you're saying is it would have been just
Speaker 2: as fun and interesting had we been in the burnt
Speaker 2: out Franklin Castle hearing those stories. Now, granted, I love
Speaker 2: that they're restoring the place, and I think it's really cool.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad they're doing that work, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. But for the point of what we were
Speaker 2: going for, it very well could have just been a
Speaker 2: burnt out building and we could have just been pointing
Speaker 2: at things and saying, that's where a body was, that's
Speaker 2: where this was, that's where that was, and it would
Speaker 2: have been just as good for us, because you could
Speaker 2: not better, if not better, if not better because you
Speaker 2: could use your imagination for the whole thing, and you're
Speaker 2: not looking at weird wallpaper that he made himself, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, why do you care about wallpaper that
Speaker 2: isn't original to the house. That's what we're trying to
Speaker 2: talk about. And like, you know, it's good have it
Speaker 2: there because it sets a mood and a tone, But
Speaker 2: don't then go on and tell a big story about
Speaker 2: how you made it. No one cares, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it was like this room too, and he totally
Speaker 3: blew his chance of making it super creepy because after
Speaker 3: we went from the bedroom into the little parlor area. Uh,
Speaker 3: he vaguely mentioned that this is the room where everyone
Speaker 3: sees the woman in black standing in the window from outside.
Speaker 1: I was standing right there, and guys, by that time,
Speaker 1: I couldn't have given a shit less. She could have
Speaker 1: been standing behind me and I would have been like,
Speaker 1: are you ready to go to let's.
Speaker 3: He did say though, that he saw the woman in
Speaker 3: black ones in that room.
Speaker 2: Yes, he did.
Speaker 1: Him and two of the other owners are the only
Speaker 1: three people to ever have seen her.
Speaker 2: That's what he said. That's what he said. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: again his credibility wanes, but you know. Uh, here's here's
Speaker 2: what I find funny too, and maybe you guys will
Speaker 2: agree with this. We spent so much freaking time in
Speaker 2: those first like three rooms, the stairway and the firt
Speaker 2: you know what I mean whatever, that by the time
Speaker 2: you really did start getting to some really cool, interesting rooms,
Speaker 2: we were just kind of flying through.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that is true though.
Speaker 3: So like this bedroom that we were in with like
Speaker 3: the little parlor, when we went through this like closet
Speaker 3: thing into the sitting room that led to like this
Speaker 3: other thing and then we circle back around. I looked
Speaker 3: at one of the bookshelves and he had this like
Speaker 3: little stone thing. It was a completely empty bookshelf, but
Speaker 3: he had like five stones in a circle and then
Speaker 3: like a big stone in the middle, and I was like, this, dude,
Speaker 3: I almost feel like they're kind of like trying to
Speaker 3: channel stuff in because I looked online and that's the
Speaker 3: bedroom that they rent out for like an airbnb thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the those marble bathrooms are just amazing. Ok,
Speaker 2: probably one of the prettiest bathrooms I've ever been into
Speaker 2: my life. And I have a thing for bathroom so
Speaker 2: I don't know, like I love the bathrooms from the shining.
Speaker 2: I think those are like the greatest room and like,
Speaker 2: so that bathroom sort of reminded me of that. It
Speaker 2: had like a theme and cool colors and just it was.
Speaker 2: It was awesome in that room. And I think Brian
Speaker 2: asked someone if they actually shower in there? Did you?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He did, Of course I did. Yeah, of course I did.
Speaker 2: He's like, I've never showered in here, but people have,
Speaker 2: And I was like, I really would love to shower
Speaker 2: in this shower, dude.
Speaker 3: It was one of those like old claw foot tubs. Oh,
Speaker 3: like beautiful, just going right after we look around the
Speaker 3: bedroom and we see the bathroom. He didn't risks all
Speaker 3: of our lives by showing us a hidden passageway that's
Speaker 3: really just us scaling the side of the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to crawl out a window and onto
Speaker 2: this little trellis I guess you'd call it. That's just
Speaker 2: real tiny, and you had to super.
Speaker 3: Tiny and no railing on the side.
Speaker 2: Of the house, shimmy into the shimmy into the other window,
Speaker 2: where he kept on making the joke that if you
Speaker 2: wanted to.
Speaker 5: You know, read the book, you wanted to take off
Speaker 5: all your clothes and oil up your body and read
Speaker 5: on frying.
Speaker 1: What was so strange about this to me, though, is
Speaker 1: if you are a human being, he doesn't really want
Speaker 1: you to be on the tour because if you get hungry,
Speaker 1: he doesn't like it. If you have to go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom, he doesn't angry. And if you have to
Speaker 1: leave after three hours of a one hour tour, he
Speaker 1: doesn't like it. It's just like you exist for him
Speaker 1: to do his fucking bulls. If you're not willing to
Speaker 1: do that, if you're not willing to submit to his
Speaker 1: complete dominance of time and space, then you don't belong
Speaker 1: on that tour. So for that, I I was picking
Speaker 1: up that very very early on. And I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say I'm a passive, aggressive dick. I can just kind
Speaker 1: of start to become a dick. And he started trying
Speaker 1: to talk about this picture he got of a grandmother
Speaker 1: or a caretaker that had been on the property. Now, guys,
Speaker 1: twenty minutes before this, he's telling everybody how that place
Speaker 1: was just under flame for two hours straight. We had
Speaker 1: just and right outside that door, there's a charred doorway.
Speaker 1: And he goes, and I have this portrait of so
Speaker 1: and so and this is her and she lived in
Speaker 1: the house from blah blah blah blah blah, and she
Speaker 1: was took care of the kids. And here's a painting
Speaker 1: from it. And I'm like, where did you get them?
Speaker 1: Where'd you get this photo? Where'd you get this painting?
Speaker 1: Where did that? Well, it came with the house. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there thinking where where was it?
Speaker 3: He became with the name.
Speaker 1: It came with the house. And you're like, what you
Speaker 1: just got done talking about how there's been seventeen different owners.
Speaker 1: If the house doesn't like the owner, they're kicked out
Speaker 1: after two years, several renovations and a two hour fire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you pulled this picture out of Grandma Betty out
Speaker 1: of some closet somewhere where it was protected, and.
Speaker 3: This it was Grandma Tetaman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, But I asked where he got it from.
Speaker 1: His eyes got so big. I don't know if he'll
Speaker 1: ever tell people he got those that those are real
Speaker 1: people again, Because you got that stuff in the flame market.
Speaker 1: That's an old photograph. Put it up. I'll tell them
Speaker 1: that somebody for the cosmic Peach.
Speaker 2: Fans, for the cosmic Peach fans out there, it's kind
Speaker 2: of like them finding the terrorists passports and pristine condition
Speaker 2: laying on the road after not.
Speaker 3: To post. When they have these paintings, I have to
Speaker 3: on them.
Speaker 1: Everybody that has listened to my past episodes on your
Speaker 1: on your podcast, they're gonna know I'm skeptical, Brian. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask all the questions. Oh, you got
Speaker 1: so quiet out and he got so quiet, looks like
Speaker 1: you just got it was how quiet he got.
Speaker 2: That was the only answer you needed when he was
Speaker 2: just like, it came came with the house.
Speaker 1: And fat dude, I'm gonna tell you guys something. This
Speaker 1: dude could tell you where every spec of paint came
Speaker 1: from in that house, but he couldn't tell me where
Speaker 1: they found those pictures and paintings. That there was no
Speaker 1: story behind it. Whatso I was waiting for him to
Speaker 1: be like, we knocked down the wall and behind the
Speaker 1: wall was the treasures of you know, But no, there
Speaker 1: was no treasure story. There was no knockdown. No, it
Speaker 1: just came with the house.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're like where He's like, don't listen to the
Speaker 2: angry white guy anyway. It's a two degree temperature. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, I'll.
Speaker 1: Tell you why you're wrong. One American, two white, three privileged,
Speaker 1: fall you're ugly, five.
Speaker 2: Privileged again white American.
Speaker 1: Now shut up?
Speaker 2: Two degree temperature dropping this right.
Speaker 3: Right after you called him out on that, and like
Speaker 3: it got really silent, and he was like it just
Speaker 3: came with the house. And then he moved us into
Speaker 3: this tiny closet, like all twelve of us, and then
Speaker 3: it smelled like fucking parts in there. He was going
Speaker 3: on and on, and my brother tells it the best.
Speaker 3: He got stuck on a word and he was like,
Speaker 3: I translate everything in my mind from Jeb into English,
Speaker 3: so sometimes I get I get caught up. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: he got got he got caught on this word. And
Speaker 3: the way you tell this is perfect. Just take it.
Speaker 2: He would just stop for so long and then like
Speaker 2: where most people would just give up and pick a
Speaker 2: different word, he just wouldn't. And he'd just be like, you.
Speaker 5: Know, and I took one of these things that that
Speaker 5: you pull, you know, with the with the tongs, and
Speaker 5: it has like you.
Speaker 2: Know what those you know, the fuck a fuck Like
Speaker 2: again again, we're all in a giant hurry right at
Speaker 2: this point, like parts in there, It sounds like parts
Speaker 2: in here, again, he's taking all that time to explain
Speaker 2: wallpaper that has nothing to do with the house, nothing, nothing.
Speaker 2: You put it up at McDonald's and it would be
Speaker 2: exactly the same effect. There was nothing to do, and
Speaker 2: he's just just stretching it out, stretching it out, and I.
Speaker 1: Mean, well, the one when he stretched one of the
Speaker 1: things out, I knew. I'm like, is this just an act?
Speaker 1: At this point, because he was like, what is the world?
Speaker 1: I need someone, but I cannot think of these American
Speaker 1: words for this what it is? Oh, volunteer. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you have been freaking tours a day and you can't
Speaker 1: remember the word volunteer. You ask for two volunteers through
Speaker 1: the whole dour.
Speaker 2: Words like volunteer. But he's just like cruising through words
Speaker 2: like dark matter, yeah, fer dropages and all of fluctuations
Speaker 2: in spiritual gratitudes. And he's like, and then.
Speaker 4: What's the American words for I don't know?
Speaker 1: Hot dog?
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, that's the word you're got up.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. So we move out of that room,
Speaker 3: we go into this I don't know, it's like a
Speaker 3: study or something, and he's going on another tirade, and
Speaker 3: your phone goes off and it's like.
Speaker 2: Good, good, well, mind you. I was already so angry,
Speaker 2: and for reasons I'm not even going to get into.
Speaker 2: I had a phone that wasn't even my normal phone,
Speaker 2: and I had no idea how to turn ringers off,
Speaker 2: turn it down, turn nothing, okay, And in fairness, my
Speaker 2: phone had leaped the entire time. And you guys know
Speaker 2: what you know about me in my life. Think about
Speaker 2: my phone not beeping for a full two hours. Just think,
Speaker 2: I mean, think about, like, that's so ran, I can't
Speaker 2: believe it even happened. And then we're up there, we've
Speaker 2: been up there for that long. My phone beeps one
Speaker 2: time and he stops the whole tour.
Speaker 1: It was like a movie.
Speaker 2: When I looked from my phone, every it was like
Speaker 2: a wall of people were just standing there staring at
Speaker 2: me like this, including him, and he's just got this
Speaker 2: look on his face, like how dare you look at
Speaker 2: your phone during this tour? And all I could think
Speaker 2: of to say in the moment was I've been here
Speaker 2: three hours. I have a life, keep going. And that's
Speaker 2: just all I said.
Speaker 1: It just was right right after that happened, because I
Speaker 1: had heard Jaden and Brittany talking and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so hungry. We didn't eat anything. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like eight forty at this point.
Speaker 3: It's after that, it's like after nine almost well.
Speaker 1: It couldn't close the restaurant before they closed the kitchen
Speaker 1: at nine. Okay, that's how that's how I'm figuring this out.
Speaker 1: But I looked at Dave and everybody else. I said,
Speaker 1: when we get back into where I know how to
Speaker 1: get the hell out of here, because right now we
Speaker 1: were in some kind of labyrinth. I was lost. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm telling him I have to leave. I don't care, Yes,
Speaker 1: what he's going to try to talk about, I don't
Speaker 1: care what he's going to try to show me. I
Speaker 1: don't care. I seriously did not care. He could have
Speaker 1: showed me the roswell fucking aliens. I would have been
Speaker 1: out of there. I would not have given him five
Speaker 1: minutes of my time. I was so hungry. So we
Speaker 1: find we go, but we go to one more room
Speaker 1: after this because this that he called you out in
Speaker 1: the kids reading room, which, by the way, by the
Speaker 1: time I was there, I was like, I don't care
Speaker 1: about any of this. I don't care about this reading room.
Speaker 1: I don't care anything about in my mind, anything he
Speaker 1: would have said about that reading room. I just did
Speaker 1: not care.
Speaker 2: He was like a child guied in this room. I
Speaker 2: was like, what boredom?
Speaker 1: Well he's talking to somebody was like, there's no electricity
Speaker 1: in here. I'm like, there's lamps plugged in everywhere. There's
Speaker 1: a light above my head. I'm ready to go.
Speaker 2: So there's air purifier right behind you, dude, right now.
Speaker 1: So he's like, okay, we're walking. We're gonna go upstairs.
Speaker 1: So we go upstairs.
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, well, Brian slay your role. We stopped by
Speaker 3: a doorway before we went up stairs.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, who.
Speaker 3: Wants to tell it?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you get Julie. You tell the doorway story.
Speaker 3: You asked, I'll tell the doorway story. He goes, we
Speaker 3: left this doorway intact from the fire, and it's this
Speaker 3: charcoal looking doorway, and he goes, I need a volunteer.
Speaker 3: He remembered it that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then.
Speaker 3: He pulls my thirteen year old cousin and he goes, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take your hand, and he runs her hand
Speaker 3: down this charcoal doorway and he pulls out his stupid
Speaker 3: fucking flimsy ass flashlight and he's like trying to click
Speaker 3: it on to show everybody the soot on her hand.
Speaker 3: And he shows everybody and they're like, oh, yeah, we
Speaker 3: kind of figured. And he does it again. He pulls
Speaker 3: her sleeve up over her hand and runs it across
Speaker 3: the doorway again. It's black and just little bits and
Speaker 3: pieces are falling off of her sleeve. And then he
Speaker 3: clicks his flashlight on again. He goes, looka and then
Speaker 3: he looks at Brittany and he goes, you'll have a washut,
Speaker 3: right mom, And it's like, you're just destroyed her sweater.
Speaker 2: Dude, like, look at the magic. This is the magic
Speaker 2: of the house.
Speaker 3: His own hand, his hand.
Speaker 1: Over it, starts digging with his flashlight again, clicking it,
Speaker 1: clicking it, clicking it. He's like, look at all these
Speaker 1: posticles in the air. And I'm like that I'm breathing.
Speaker 1: It's graph fight dust. It's burnt, charred. I work in construction.
Speaker 1: I'd be wearing a mask right now.
Speaker 3: He's almost like flicking it up into the air, and
Speaker 3: he's flicking it up.
Speaker 1: Graph fight particle dust. He's flinging all in the end.
Speaker 1: He's that's the magic of the house. I'm like, there's
Speaker 1: there's nothing magical about that.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, there's.
Speaker 1: Absolutely zero magic in that.
Speaker 2: You have now, brother, they're literally more asbestos than magic
Speaker 2: in that. In what uh.
Speaker 3: As you literally said, you were like, I was just
Speaker 3: waiting for him next ago, like and blow something in
Speaker 3: somebody's face and go.
Speaker 5: That's Espestos the hundred years old and haunted.
Speaker 1: The woman in a black dress now lives inside you.
Speaker 1: She now lives inside all of you. You're all haunted.
Speaker 5: Now you'll be dead within seventeen years, probably of a
Speaker 5: rare form of cancer.
Speaker 2: But it's also haunted.
Speaker 3: What's that word again, that American word, missor diliomain.
Speaker 2: It was well, listen, poor JJ. Just just to say this.
Speaker 2: JJ's the one who had her hand pulled all over
Speaker 2: the sooty door. She had already used the word angry
Speaker 2: one time while we were in the steam room, so
Speaker 2: imagine how she was feeling by the time we were
Speaker 2: rubbing her hand through the soood on the door.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, she was so over it. Bless her heart.
Speaker 3: But that's Brian. When we went up that last flight
Speaker 3: of stairs and you had a meltdown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a meltdown internally before we got up.
Speaker 2: There, but I was like.
Speaker 1: After we got up trying to do this. But once
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm the kind of person it's like,
Speaker 1: once I realized that this guy had zero respect for
Speaker 1: my time, I now had zero's respect for his time,
Speaker 1: zero respect for his tour, zero respect for anything. And
Speaker 1: that's not a knock on him as a human being.
Speaker 1: It's just an observation of truth. So I we get
Speaker 1: up to this top floor. Now, guys, this top floor
Speaker 1: was different than the entire rest of the house. It
Speaker 1: looked like something that like somebody had been up there
Speaker 1: collecting I don't know, antiques, but specific antiques. And what
Speaker 1: I did notice that was interesting to me. And this
Speaker 1: is again speculation, but there was a lot of occult
Speaker 1: artifacts something, Yes, things like the Illuminati eye three eyes
Speaker 1: and I don't know if that's Pagan. I'm not into symbology,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if that's even a thing.
Speaker 3: Not of like Tryang with the one eye in the middle,
Speaker 3: and like weird Persian and Moroccan type of artifacts. It
Speaker 3: was fucking weird. And this is what he called was
Speaker 3: the ballroom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a camera up there there was extremely
Speaker 1: thick walls, and the windows had to be put deep
Speaker 1: inside because the walls were so thick. It was just
Speaker 1: so weird. And they were doing some sort of filming
Speaker 1: up there.
Speaker 3: And uh, there was a huge bathtub in the window.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just all things.
Speaker 2: There was a bathroom up there. There was a really
Speaker 2: great view of the lake though, of all things, you
Speaker 2: could see the lake from the top of the Franklin Castle,
Speaker 2: which I thought was kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't notice that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was.
Speaker 3: You were too busy having a meltdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You by that point you were just ready to
Speaker 2: get out of there. And I have I have to
Speaker 2: say we all were, definitely. But here's here's what's funny. Man.
Speaker 2: Think about this guy's loose friendship with Tom Okay and
Speaker 2: what time means to him. So an hour tour, right,
Speaker 2: that's what we were supposed to take. When we got
Speaker 2: there and we started realizing, he goes, now, listen, this
Speaker 2: is not going to be probably an hour tour. It
Speaker 2: usually goes too okay. So now thinking, all right, fair enough,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be two. But when you get to the
Speaker 2: two hour market, you realize it's not over yet. That's
Speaker 2: when you start getting angry. Right, So now the top
Speaker 2: we're we're moving closer to three hours, okay, And and
Speaker 2: Brian has he's the one that loses it first enough
Speaker 2: to where he can he's finally sensed I'm getting out
Speaker 2: of here, because the guy says, now, let's go down
Speaker 2: and we want to see the back of the castle.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go outside into the backyard and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: show you some things about the back of the castle,
Speaker 2: right and again and that cottage house. And I know
Speaker 2: full well. Brian's like me, there's gonna be some interesting things.
Speaker 2: And we really wanted to do this tour. We like
Speaker 2: historical things, we like all that, so honestly everything in
Speaker 2: us would love to see the back of this castle, right.
Speaker 2: And Brian's just like, sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm leaving. Uh. And when I'm getting down at.
Speaker 2: The bottom, I get near that front door, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna be going. I hope that's okay, and like, and
Speaker 2: so we start making our way down there, okay, down
Speaker 2: towards the front door, and this guy gets desperate. This
Speaker 2: tour guy gets desperate, and he starts talking to Brian.
Speaker 2: He starts negotiating with him, trying to get him to
Speaker 2: stay right, and he's like, but to back the castle
Speaker 2: is really cool. You're going miss it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? And Brian's like, I don't care, I'm leaving
Speaker 2: and like and he goes. And then finally, Brian, trying
Speaker 2: to be a super nice guy, turns around and says, okay, man,
Speaker 2: how long how long to see the back of the castle.
Speaker 2: And the guy's like five minutes, five minutes, And Brian's like,
Speaker 2: all right, fine, if five minutes, is it gonna be
Speaker 2: five minutes? And then and then you can tell Brian
Speaker 2: even thought to himself, wait a minute, this guy has
Speaker 2: a weird way with time. And he goes, is, dude,
Speaker 2: is it really gonna be five minutes? And I am
Speaker 2: not kidding when I say this. The guy pauses and
Speaker 2: he goes, maybe fifty minutes, and Brian just in face
Speaker 2: ran out the front door as fast a crap about
Speaker 2: the back of this castle.
Speaker 3: He said, maybe fifty minutes, and we all started running.
Speaker 1: You guys know what fifty minutes really meant? That meant
Speaker 1: two more hours.
Speaker 4: Yes, And dude, think about that.
Speaker 2: He moved it up ten times, he said five minutes,
Speaker 2: and then that quickie was like ten times that ten times,
Speaker 2: like I mean just and maybe that was the wild
Speaker 2: turkey talking. I don't know, but at that point we
Speaker 2: knew whether this is a ghost or not, or if
Speaker 2: Hans Stedeman's here or not, or the black woman in
Speaker 2: black we're out of here.
Speaker 3: We took the lead. We ran down the stairs first,
Speaker 3: and we were trying to find our way back out,
Speaker 3: and then we broke off into that first room where
Speaker 3: we came in, and we were all looking around like
Speaker 3: is it? What the fuck are we? And he was
Speaker 3: like through that doll, through that doll, and then we
Speaker 3: just like scrambled out you know what followed us.
Speaker 1: It bothered me because I that that didn't just bother me.
Speaker 1: It bothered me when I said goodbye, it was nice
Speaker 1: meeting everybody, it was a great tour, and he didn't
Speaker 1: say shit, mm hmmm back yeah. And I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: the reason why that bothered me is because how are
Speaker 1: you so ignorant to other people's time? How are you
Speaker 1: so ignorant to that? How how can you not say
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on this tour? You know, please
Speaker 1: come again another time and I'll be able to show
Speaker 1: you the back of that something.
Speaker 3: He didn't even try to sell us a T shirt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have bought one.
Speaker 1: You don't know if they have merch. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's thought of that.
Speaker 2: No, because no, you know what the merch would be
Speaker 2: his own personal artwork shirts made out of the wallpaper.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that, which he kept calling
Speaker 1: oriental wallpaper, and I was gonna be like, that's what
Speaker 1: his shirt would be. It would just be like a
Speaker 1: beat shirt, you know, like a freaking Hawaiian shirt of
Speaker 1: the wallpaper that he made.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would say Franklin Castle, Home the World's greatest
Speaker 2: art collection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would the T shirts, the T shirts he
Speaker 1: would make or won, the sculpt the sculpture that has
Speaker 1: light that goes through it from the one bathroom, the
Speaker 1: oriental wallpaper quote from him, and probably a picture of
Speaker 1: the steam in the basement. That would be the three
Speaker 1: T shirts.
Speaker 3: Or the creepy cherry won't tell anybody about.
Speaker 2: Or a bumper sticker that says the Franklin Castle, It's
Speaker 2: not haunted.
Speaker 1: Frankly Castle, America's least on his house.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. There were a few pictures I took
Speaker 3: though that looked creepy U assholes.
Speaker 1: Yes, but that's what he would say. He would say,
Speaker 1: then he would tell you that he had that. He
Speaker 1: had a fifteen minute conversation with with the wallpaper, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then responded to him.
Speaker 3: He said something about like he puts stuff places and
Speaker 3: goes back and tries to find it and it's not
Speaker 3: there anymore, which I mean that's like a haunting kind
Speaker 3: of thing, but he didn't say it in a creepy way.
Speaker 3: He was just like, maybe I misplaced it, and it's like,
Speaker 3: that's that fucking just leave it out.
Speaker 2: Then, Well, there's a fine line between the paranormal and alcoholism. Uh,
Speaker 2: but I can that. Uh, He's he's dancing on that line.
Speaker 2: He's he's found the door to the next dimension.
Speaker 3: But no, for guys, there was parts of that house
Speaker 3: that were creepy. And I have a picture where I'm
Speaker 3: sitting in that little chair and it looks like there's
Speaker 3: like some misty thing like behind the chair. Did you
Speaker 3: see that?
Speaker 2: Yes? I did, actually and thought that was kind of
Speaker 2: interesting mm hm.
Speaker 3: And then Kim has a weird picture where her phone
Speaker 3: just went off randomly and it's like some kind of
Speaker 3: a red swirl looking thing. Did you guys see that? One?
Speaker 2: I didn't see that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I listen. I think I think because remember
Speaker 2: he asked a question at one point and he goes,
Speaker 2: what do you guys think haunting is a haunted house is?
Speaker 2: And I was the one that said, I think it's energy,
Speaker 2: and then he went off on the energy yes, and
Speaker 2: then he was on the energy tangent. So I guess
Speaker 2: I said the right thing. But I do believe in that,
Speaker 2: Like I don't think you need to believe in ghosts
Speaker 2: in the sense of it's a Civil War soldier all
Speaker 2: the time to believe that strange things happen because of
Speaker 2: trapped energy, you know what I mean to some degree.
Speaker 2: And I think like crazy things or weird events can
Speaker 2: trap energy like that, and that's why you tend to
Speaker 2: run into it. Although I will say I say this
Speaker 2: all the time about hauntings, I never understand why I
Speaker 2: why are all ghosts from the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 3: Because they were real fucking miserable in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know that they've come back to
Speaker 2: experience air conditioning and star wars in HG. So you
Speaker 2: could tell Youbachu's wearing a mask.
Speaker 3: Oh my God, you guys. You know what's funny though,
Speaker 3: when we went in that bedroom right before Brian got
Speaker 3: yelled at for using his phone, he was like, no
Speaker 3: photography in this bedroom. And this is where we found
Speaker 3: the bones. We found bones, a small PILs. We think
Speaker 3: it's a child pelvis.
Speaker 1: And baby bones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he like just cut to the next topic. He
Speaker 3: didn't really expand on that and say like what how
Speaker 3: they got there or why they were there, or if
Speaker 3: they ever got like tested to see if it was
Speaker 3: a real person, or like he just we found out.
Speaker 1: He didn't say away, and he did say they were
Speaker 1: sent away and there were children's.
Speaker 3: Bones, children's bones, and then he like gets cut to
Speaker 3: the next Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like and that's when the guy realized he couldn't
Speaker 1: build a church there, Yeah, which is why and and
Speaker 1: so like there were they were going to do so
Speaker 1: many different things with that building. That I find so
Speaker 1: interesting in that sense is that it was going to
Speaker 1: be a nightclub, it was going to be a restaurant,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: Going to be church. Imagine that being a nightclub. That
Speaker 2: would have been sick.
Speaker 3: Okay, but what what would you call it the Franklin
Speaker 3: Castle nightclub or would you give it like a cool name.
Speaker 2: I think you could just call it the Franklin Castle.
Speaker 3: Mmm, Dungeon of Darkness, nightclub back, or just the Franklin.
Speaker 2: You know those places just.
Speaker 3: Have yeah the Franklin.
Speaker 2: But they'll just be a cool party place. I would
Speaker 2: love to I love I love partying in places that
Speaker 2: have like a weird vibe like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it it so for everybody. I have some
Speaker 1: facts about the Franklin Castle, So you guys tell me
Speaker 1: what you think after you've done the tour. Okay, So
Speaker 1: it's it was done, and it's called a Victorian stone house.
Speaker 1: It's also known as the Tiedaman House, which we we
Speaker 1: did learn. It's located at four three eight Franklin Boulevard
Speaker 1: in Ohio City, so people in Cleveland know Ohio City neighborhood.
Speaker 1: They say that there's four stories there and more than
Speaker 1: twenty rooms and more than eighty windows at the time,
Speaker 1: so this place on Wikipedia, they are calling it the
Speaker 1: most haunted house in Ohio. So, guys, with the exception
Speaker 1: of that one room, I did not I could have
Speaker 1: spent the night in that place, probably by myself and
Speaker 1: been like, hey, but that's just.
Speaker 3: Brian, go sleep in sleep in that one room you
Speaker 3: got the creeps in all night by yourself.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. What I'll tell you why I
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that. That picture Jesus freaks me out. Yes,
Speaker 1: you could put that picture of Jesus in my house
Speaker 1: and I would. I would be like, get that thing
Speaker 1: out of here.
Speaker 3: And you also have to spend the night in that
Speaker 3: room listening to the Pagan Festival all night on repeat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just you know sometimes though, and whether you know,
Speaker 1: obviously my beliefs don't create reality, and I don't fully
Speaker 1: believe in this stuff. But at the same time, I
Speaker 1: do wonder, like I got the feeling that that guy
Speaker 1: was trying to invite things into that house. He was
Speaker 1: trying to communicate with things in that house. And Dave,
Speaker 1: I know you're a rational person too. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you got that feeling, but it wouldn't have surprised me.
Speaker 1: And obviously this is a pure speculation, but during those
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty minute times where he was gone, probably sipping
Speaker 1: on something, he was also trying to conjure something up,
Speaker 1: like hey, I've got people here. Yeah, it's like you've
Speaker 1: wanted just like you want house I've got the people
Speaker 1: here for you.
Speaker 2: It's really sort of a it's really sort of a
Speaker 2: haunted meets eyes wide shut type vibe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what the hell that dude's doing
Speaker 5: behind closed doors?
Speaker 2: Was he Was he disappearing just to drink or was
Speaker 2: he disappearing into a passageway to drink and torture somebody
Speaker 2: that he's got in there?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: You hear like somebody said, you talk so much about
Speaker 3: the house and like if the house doesn't like you, you're
Speaker 3: kicked out in two years, YadA YadA. And they said, well,
Speaker 3: don't you think it's disrespectful to the house to have
Speaker 3: these tours and like have all these strangers coming into
Speaker 3: the house. And he was like, if you help the house,
Speaker 3: the house helps you. And I was like, what the
Speaker 3: fuck does that mean? If you help the house, the
Speaker 3: house helps you, How are you helping the house?
Speaker 2: The ambiguity? And I think that's just it, man. It's
Speaker 2: like he I think you're right. He would love to
Speaker 2: invite that kind of stuff in there. He wants you
Speaker 2: to be supplying the scariness. He I think he's got
Speaker 2: it on his mind. I'm not going to sell this
Speaker 2: place as a scary house. But everybody's gonna say it's
Speaker 2: scary anyway, so I don't have to. But he still
Speaker 2: pushes it, you know what I mean. And so that's
Speaker 2: what it is to me. And it's like, again, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't doubt that if you stayed in that place overnight
Speaker 2: you might see something weird again, because it doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be necessarily a ghost in the sense that everyone's
Speaker 2: talking about. This could just be weird trapped energies from
Speaker 2: weird lifestyles in that house and weird murder there.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, listen to some of this stuff that comes
Speaker 1: up here, guys, and then this actually puts. When you
Speaker 1: listen to the Wikipedia, you learn more than when he
Speaker 1: was talking about it, which is this is how quickly
Speaker 1: you can learn interesting facts about this place. So obviously
Speaker 1: this is according to Wikipedia. But on January fifteenth, eighteen
Speaker 1: eighty one, so nineteen eighty one, you know the whole
Speaker 1: story I had already told about the daughter, but Tinaman's
Speaker 1: fifteen year old daughter, Emma, succumb to diabetes, which he
Speaker 1: did bring up the diabetes thing, and then the property
Speaker 1: saw second death with the elderly mother who died then
Speaker 1: three years later they bury three more children, giving rise
Speaker 1: to speculation that there was more deaths than met the eye.
Speaker 1: Could that have been the bones, the old bones that
Speaker 1: were found in the house when they were trying to
Speaker 1: build the church. Three more kids died, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: So during that time, to distract Louise, who was Tiedeman's wife,
Speaker 1: from all the deaths in the home, they began more
Speaker 1: construction on the home, adding a ballroom which runs the
Speaker 1: entire fourth floor of the manor, which is where we
Speaker 1: were at up top.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: They also added turrets and gargoyles to add to the
Speaker 1: edifices facade, giving the more pronounced castle appearance at that time.
Speaker 1: So there was rumors that there was hidden rooms and
Speaker 1: passageways used for bootlegging during prohibition, but none of these
Speaker 1: rooms have ever been found to exist, other than a
Speaker 1: small stairway that was used by servants from the kitchen
Speaker 1: which is in the basement. Guys, we were talking about
Speaker 1: this to the front door, and those are the stairs
Speaker 1: that are extremely narrow that I was talking about. Basically,
Speaker 1: you're going to die if you on these things and
Speaker 1: you have any sort of problem. Then Louise died of
Speaker 1: liver disease in eighteen ninety five and she was only
Speaker 1: fifty seven years old. Then Hans sold the house to
Speaker 1: the Mallhall Halls her family in nineteen oh eight, and
Speaker 1: the entire Tedament family was dead, leaving no one to
Speaker 1: inherit his considerable personal wealth. Interesting, so there's rumors that
Speaker 1: crimes were committed by Hans Tiedeman himself, and that contributes
Speaker 1: to the Franklin Castle's reputation to this day. But none
Speaker 1: of those were disclosed, none of those were talked about,
Speaker 1: and they don't talk about any of them here. Then
Speaker 1: in the middle years from nineteen twenty one to nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty eight, which they considered the Middle Years, which is
Speaker 1: a quite large chunk of time, it was the home
Speaker 1: to various German cultural organizations. James Romano, who lived there
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty eight with his wife and six children,
Speaker 1: reported several encounters with ghosts in their home and attempted exorcisms,
Speaker 1: and even ghost hunting groups like the Northeast Ohio Northeast
Speaker 1: Ohio psych Psyche Psychical Research Society investigate the castle. In
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four, the Romanos decided to leave the house
Speaker 1: and sold to the Sam Musculato, and he planned to
Speaker 1: turn it into a church, and that's when what we
Speaker 1: found out about the bones. Right to raise money for
Speaker 1: the church, though he did haunted house tours and overnight
Speaker 1: stays in the castle. Human bones were found in a
Speaker 1: closet in nineteen seventy five, but it is also believed
Speaker 1: that they were planted by that owner looking to gain
Speaker 1: publicity for the ghost tours on the property. Oh guys,
Speaker 1: all that stuff was left out of our tour. He
Speaker 1: didn't mention a single bit of that. He played into
Speaker 1: those bones being found just as much as the guy
Speaker 1: who probably planted him there. In eighty four, Michael Devinko,
Speaker 1: Judy Garland's fifth and last husband, purchased the Franklin Castle,
Speaker 1: immediately started making renovations to the house, and over the
Speaker 1: next ten years he spent close to one million dollars
Speaker 1: renovating the castle. He even went as far as to
Speaker 1: track down some of the original furnacings for the castle.
Speaker 1: But then he decided to put the house up for
Speaker 1: sale in nineteen ninety four. So what happened with this guy,
Speaker 1: There's no two years there. That was a ten year
Speaker 1: span eighty four to ninety four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was probably into some dark shit brought the
Speaker 3: house life.
Speaker 2: He did talk about That's what I said. The house
Speaker 2: must have liked him because he was like, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: There was a series of owners for the past thirty years.
Speaker 1: The castle was empty from ninety four until ninety nine
Speaker 1: until Michelle him Burger bought the castle and the carriage
Speaker 1: house for three hundred and fifty thousand dollars using part
Speaker 1: of her Yahoo stock. She was one of the company's
Speaker 1: early employees. She's also a native Clevelander. She's fascinated with
Speaker 1: the home and person purchased it with intentions of restoring
Speaker 1: the building to its former glory. But unfortunately, that same
Speaker 1: year fire badly damaged the castle. Even though extensive repairs
Speaker 1: were done, the house restoration could not be completed. Now
Speaker 1: what's interesting about that, guys, is they talk about nothing
Speaker 1: about the fire being set by a human being who
Speaker 1: said that this place is evil. But we picked that
Speaker 1: up on the tour. Interesting in two thousand and four, Okay.
Speaker 7: Same Hamburger, h ei mbu r Ger Hamburger.
Speaker 3: So she's German too, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In two thousand and four, there were rumors that
Speaker 1: the Franklin Castle was going to be completely renovated and
Speaker 1: turned into the Franklin Castle Club, But in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six the entire club was proven to be a
Speaker 1: complete sham. They never did any repairs, they never did anything,
Speaker 1: and pictures on the website were either close up shots
Speaker 1: of architecture or stolen from other websites. So they never
Speaker 1: did anything. And there was also no evidence that castle
Speaker 1: had ever been used to shoot pornography. So that's a
Speaker 1: rumor that a lot of people have heard, and I
Speaker 1: have heard that it looks like.
Speaker 3: They're shooting some now in that bunker up there.
Speaker 1: Around this time, the huge sea up.
Speaker 2: There, guys, it could be, it could be.
Speaker 1: Around the building was cleaned and the pair pit the
Speaker 1: left side of the side was rebuilt according to a
Speaker 1: eighteenth century design. Now the property was damaged again in
Speaker 1: mark of twenty eleven when the carriage house was damaged
Speaker 1: in a fire, which maybe he brought that up when
Speaker 1: he went out to the carriage house, but we never
Speaker 1: made it that far. So now, in twenty eleven they
Speaker 1: rezoned the Franklin Castle to allow it to be a
Speaker 1: three family family dwelling, and that sale was pending. European
Speaker 1: Tapestry artist Shiara Donna Dale purchased it for twenty eleven
Speaker 1: for two hundred and sixty thousand dollars. The Cleveland Building
Speaker 1: and Housing Department issued a permit for residential exterior alterations
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, and local news reported that the buyer
Speaker 1: intends to convert the building into three family homes and
Speaker 1: the dwelling into two of the spaces. Following several years
Speaker 1: of historic renovations, the owners announced single night accommodations were
Speaker 1: available for guests starting December twenty fourth, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: For Everyone's information. March eighteenth, twenty sixteen, Paranormal Lockdown featured
Speaker 1: the Franklin Castle on an episode of its first season.
Speaker 1: On March fifth of twenty twenty, Franklin Castle was featured
Speaker 1: on the fifth episode of season nineteen of Ghost Adventures,
Speaker 1: which was on the Travel Channel, and on November nineteenth,
Speaker 1: Franklin Castle was featured on episode for season two of
Speaker 1: The Holtzer Files, which aired on the Travel Channel.
Speaker 2: Interesting, so there you have it.
Speaker 3: So what do you think, Brian, It's a bunch of maloney?
Speaker 3: Or you can no, I.
Speaker 1: Mean granted one that would mean that I'd have to
Speaker 1: take everything for face value on Wikipedia, which you really
Speaker 1: can't do. But I also don't think that they are
Speaker 1: full of crap here. A lot of this stuff matches
Speaker 1: up with what we've heard. Anything about why you never
Speaker 1: heard the ending of the bones from the closet that
Speaker 1: really he didn't mention. You know. Sometimes there's a thing
Speaker 1: called lying through omission. Oh yeah, and we all know
Speaker 1: what that means. We all know what lying through omission needs.
Speaker 1: Lying through a mission is you know something you're purposely
Speaker 1: not telling it because you know the consequences of what
Speaker 1: it is that you're about to say.
Speaker 3: Okay, but.
Speaker 1: The person's eyes the second you tear me.
Speaker 3: Out, Brian. Let's just say that the Franklin Castle over
Speaker 3: time has gained some attraction based on some ghost stories
Speaker 3: and like the hitchhiker story you told, right, so they
Speaker 3: want to run with that, but they're allowing people to
Speaker 3: stay there overnight, so they want to up the ante
Speaker 3: a little bit. Now Here comes the weird like artifacts
Speaker 3: that we saw in the Sexy Jesus picture and the
Speaker 3: Pagan Festival records and the weird little rock formations. And
Speaker 3: then you get up and it's like my brother said,
Speaker 3: to like this weird eyes wide shut scene in the
Speaker 3: attic ballroom where they have a huge kingside bed right
Speaker 3: in the middle of the ballroom for no fucking reason.
Speaker 3: They got the triangle with the all sing eye all
Speaker 3: over the attic, a big old bathtub up there, and
Speaker 3: they have video cameras, So you tell me they're not
Speaker 3: trying to channel some shit in there to like up
Speaker 3: the ante a little bit for when people come over
Speaker 3: to stay. It didn't even have to be a haunted house.
Speaker 3: You could go to anybody's house and start doing weird
Speaker 3: like rituals and shit and get some fucking dark entities
Speaker 3: up in that motherfucker. That's all I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know honestly how any of that works.
Speaker 1: But something I do like to think about is, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not just buildings that become haunted. Sometimes you hear
Speaker 1: about people that become haunted no matter where they go.
Speaker 1: They're seeing things. And we could say, hell, okay, it's
Speaker 1: psychological or it is what it is. But what are
Speaker 1: you playing with, what are you trying to bring around?
Speaker 1: What are you trying to do? And if you do
Speaker 1: do those things, are you convincing yourself to change as
Speaker 1: a person, or are you really inviting things into yourself?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know one way or the other.
Speaker 1: I really don't, But I do know that when you
Speaker 1: dabble with certain things and you want certain things to
Speaker 1: be true, and what's the difference, it starts to become reality.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I just read a story about two people in India
Speaker 1: who convince themselves of some They were involved in some
Speaker 1: kind of cult and they needed their heads to be
Speaker 1: chopped off and put into fire. They set up some
Speaker 1: sort of weird thing, some weird ritual where they created
Speaker 1: a guillotine and had a hill that went down into
Speaker 1: a fire, chopped their own heads off together and had
Speaker 1: it roll into the fire in some sort of cult ritual.
Speaker 1: What's the difference, what's the difference?
Speaker 3: Maybe they needed what's it called? Brian a volunteer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think to Brian's point, you think about
Speaker 2: it when you know that you've heard the term perception
Speaker 2: is reality, and when someone's got you tied up in
Speaker 2: a basement, whether their perception is reality or not, I
Speaker 2: promise you you're in reality and there's some crazy ass
Speaker 2: fucking shit happened to you, whether it's based on anything
Speaker 2: real or not they think it is, and some people
Speaker 2: can be doing some crazy ass shit. And that's why
Speaker 2: I said, the most fun I've been having out of
Speaker 2: this whole thing is coming up with all of these
Speaker 2: cool stories about what that guy is doing in that house.
Speaker 2: Is he is the the the idea that he's a
Speaker 2: ghost giving tours in that house, the idea that when
Speaker 2: he goes, we're laughing and saying he's going to drink,
Speaker 2: but really he's going to torture some dude he's got
Speaker 2: tied up in the you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but think about it like, this is the real verbs.
Speaker 3: This is the real verbs. Like and they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: they're Satan worshippers and da da da. And then they
Speaker 3: go in the house and they're like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: it seems kind of normal. And then they find all
Speaker 3: those fucking bones in his trunk. This is the real verbs.
Speaker 2: Fun to think about. The house doesn't necessarily need to
Speaker 2: be haunted to be cool. Way it's awesome, but man,
Speaker 2: it's creepy as hell. If you just want to go
Speaker 2: experience something super creepy, go yeah.
Speaker 1: Essentially, I think it's great. Okay, this is the advice
Speaker 1: I'd give anybody before they go one eat before you leave. Two.
Speaker 1: Understand that the tour is going to be way longer
Speaker 1: than one our so be prepared for that. Bring a snack,
Speaker 1: Bring a water. My god, he'll probably not let you
Speaker 1: bring it in, but bring it anyway. Be prepared to
Speaker 1: be there for a long time. Don't make plans afterwards.
Speaker 1: Know that you're going to be there a long time.
Speaker 1: Start looking at the things there, but learn the history
Speaker 1: of the house before you get there, and then ask
Speaker 1: educated questions and see how he answers them. Like listen,
Speaker 1: like read the Wikipedia page, watch some documentaries, watch the shows,
Speaker 1: and then when you're there, be like, where did this happen?
Speaker 1: Oh wait a second, didn't they find out that that
Speaker 1: owner was planting those bones in the closet? If he
Speaker 1: starts going, hey, you know you got it, know you
Speaker 1: got him exactly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sort of view the tour like this, The house
Speaker 2: is the opening act, the guy give and the tour
Speaker 2: as the headliner. He's who you're going to see. That's
Speaker 2: the real show. The house is kind of this cool
Speaker 2: thing that goes on around this freaking creep. Oh if
Speaker 2: in the tour and like just go with an open
Speaker 2: imagination for what that dude's up to, and you will
Speaker 2: have a blast.
Speaker 3: Even the way he said, like, my name is Yan's
Speaker 3: it's jeans, but with an I and no A, And
Speaker 3: I was like, so, it's not jeans at all. What
Speaker 3: are you talking about.
Speaker 1: He's like a character from Zoolander.
Speaker 3: It really was. So if you're gonna right the tour
Speaker 3: one out of ten skulls, I'm giving it five skulls.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting because I even thought about that before,
Speaker 1: like where I'd rate it one to ten and I'd
Speaker 1: say four.
Speaker 2: Out of ten, four skulls.
Speaker 1: But my that's because I went into it blind, and
Speaker 1: I think I would have liked it more if I
Speaker 1: knew what I was getting into, because I would have
Speaker 1: been prepared for more of the history, and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have gotten angry, and I wouldn't have been like I
Speaker 1: would have known. Okay, he's going off on his little
Speaker 1: tie rates. Here he goes, I expected this, blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But the fact that I didn't expect
Speaker 1: that and I thought it was going to be one
Speaker 1: hour that really lit me up. And the fact that
Speaker 1: he did not thank me for coming out and after
Speaker 1: I was like, thank you for you know everything, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and he didn't say anything back. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that rubbed me the wrong way. For four skulls out of.
Speaker 3: Ten brother ten skulls.
Speaker 2: This was easy for me. Ten skulls.
Speaker 3: You're giving it ten skulls.
Speaker 2: Ten skulls. Want to know why I'm giving it ten
Speaker 2: skulls because at this point, I am completely convinced that
Speaker 2: at some point on that tour, I was within ten
Speaker 2: feet of someone bound and gagged and tied up for reason, and.
Speaker 1: Ten skulls you're giving its because you hit ten hits
Speaker 1: human skulls somewhere and not somewhere, and they're going to
Speaker 1: find out it was planned to get to get no,
Speaker 1: because that's when Rom up some attention. He listened.
Speaker 2: It has to be that, because it has to be
Speaker 2: either he's really a ghost giving that tour, or there's
Speaker 2: really people tied up in that house and he's torturing
Speaker 2: them and giving the tour while he's doing it because
Speaker 2: he's not afraid of the police. But I'm saying it's
Speaker 2: his way of taunting the police that I get like,
Speaker 2: I could picture him BTK style standing in a courtroom,
Speaker 2: being like, yes, I gave.
Speaker 9: One hundred and twenty seven tours while I had people
Speaker 9: tied up in the closet. Nobody who they thought I
Speaker 9: was going to drink because I kept on rubbing buben
Speaker 9: under my neck right here to throw them.
Speaker 2: And so therefore my answer stance ten skulls.
Speaker 3: Ten skulls, Okay, I mean that that is a very
Speaker 3: good rating, ten out of ten skulls. I give it
Speaker 3: five skulls just because I would have liked to finish
Speaker 3: the tour in a timely manner.
Speaker 2: Yes, well that's true. That's true too. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: I'll remove one skull for him. I'll give it nine skulls.
Speaker 2: Removing one skull because he tried to tell us that
Speaker 2: it was going to be five minutes behind the castle
Speaker 2: and then immediately changed it to fifty minutes.
Speaker 1: By the castle.
Speaker 3: That's got a cost at least one.
Speaker 10: Come on, when you do that, you lose a skull immediately,
Speaker 10: you know what the older I get, guys, And I
Speaker 10: don't know why this surprises me, because I've always said
Speaker 10: attention is today's currency, But the reality is attention.
Speaker 1: Has always been a currency. It's worth more than the
Speaker 1: almighty dollar and everywhere you go. You know what, I'd
Speaker 1: almost say they always say the answer to ninety nine
Speaker 1: out of one hundred questions is money. I'd almost say
Speaker 1: it the answer to ninety nine out of one hundred
Speaker 1: questions is attention. I mean you go back like you
Speaker 1: just every politician, everything they say is for attention, Everything
Speaker 1: they do is for attention. Most people out here are
Speaker 1: doing most of the things for attention. I mean say,
Speaker 1: I'm ping this podcast for some sort of attention. But
Speaker 1: think about it. Everything is worst kind of attention, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 4: That is greazy. Comes with attention.
Speaker 2: What usually comes with attention money money, And that's what
Speaker 2: it is. When you see people seeking something like that,
Speaker 2: you can almost always trace it back to money to
Speaker 2: some degree. And again you're like, not all attention comes
Speaker 2: with money, but generally, when you get that attention, if
Speaker 2: you can harness it, it comes with money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it doesn't matter how you get it. So
Speaker 1: many people get mad because there's like nefarious ways of
Speaker 1: getting attention, like oh, this serial killer killed one hundred people.
Speaker 1: Oh he's such a horrible person. I'll buy his book,
Speaker 1: I'll watch The documentary was on don't worry about that.
Speaker 4: Well, what what's old saying? What's the old saying?
Speaker 2: No press is bad press, all press is good press,
Speaker 2: All press is good press. There you go. So it's like,
Speaker 2: that's that's exactly what that saying means as long as
Speaker 2: they're talking about you. That's why I always used to
Speaker 2: think it was funny with the paparazzi. People like Britney
Speaker 2: Spears would be like, just leave me alone, and you're
Speaker 2: sitting there thinking if they left you alone, you'd be
Speaker 2: dying for them to be taking a picture of you
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Shut up.
Speaker 2: They're the whole reason you exist.
Speaker 1: Yes, pop out? Oh oh it was horrible. What happened?
Speaker 1: Did you get that on camera? Did you did you
Speaker 1: get did you quote that?
Speaker 3: I just thought of a of a screenplay too. What
Speaker 3: if going on your idea, people go to let's say
Speaker 3: the Franklin Castle in this movie for a one hour tour,
Speaker 3: and the tour just keeps going on and on and on,
Speaker 3: and they get to like four hours and five hours
Speaker 3: in and then they all start breaking off and looking
Speaker 3: for ways out, and they just find more rooms and
Speaker 3: they find more hallways that lead to nowhere, and they
Speaker 3: keep trying to get out, and they can't, and they
Speaker 3: always find their way back to the tour guide and
Speaker 3: he's like, let me tell you about this oriental paper
Speaker 3: goes on and on and on and they just can't
Speaker 3: get out, and the movie ends and it's just them
Speaker 3: in the in the window and they're the woman in black.
Speaker 1: Now not a I will say to all listeners, to
Speaker 1: my listeners and to your listeners. I think your listeners
Speaker 1: will like this a little bit more. But there was
Speaker 1: a book written, and you have to read the book
Speaker 1: because you can't make a movie out of it because
Speaker 1: the way the book's written. And you'll know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about if you've ever head, but Michael, this guy
Speaker 1: named Michael Daniel, Daniel Luski or Daniel something like that,
Speaker 1: wrote a book called House of Leaves. And if you're
Speaker 1: not going to get an audio book on this, guys,
Speaker 1: it does not exist because it wouldn't do it justice.
Speaker 1: But if you read House of Leaves, it is one
Speaker 1: of the craziest books I've ever read in my entire life.
Speaker 1: There's no other way to preface it, there's no other
Speaker 1: way to talk about it. But it's about a house,
Speaker 1: and there's it's about so much more than this house.
Speaker 1: But it's about a house. And when you measure it
Speaker 1: from the outside, it's certain dimensions, but when you measure
Speaker 1: it from the inside, for some reason, the outside dimensions
Speaker 1: are three quarters of an inch larger, no matter how
Speaker 1: you account for what's inside the walls or how deep
Speaker 1: the walls are, what's going on with the walls. Then
Speaker 1: they get inside this door and there's this labyrinth in there.
Speaker 1: It's an unending labyrinth of just levels that go down
Speaker 1: and in and out, and it's pure pitch black and
Speaker 1: it's nothing. You can just your voice echoes in it.
Speaker 1: And it's just this expanding space within this three quarters
Speaker 1: of an inch and you don't know how it got
Speaker 1: there or why it's there. And they're trying to do
Speaker 1: a documentary of like how deep is this going to go?
Speaker 1: And what's gonna happen in it? And I'll just read
Speaker 1: the book. It's just like that. It's freaking insane. House
Speaker 1: of leaves.
Speaker 4: Look look what this see and this is why I
Speaker 4: give it ten skulls. Look at the creepiness that this
Speaker 4: has brought us to, just telling these weird stories about
Speaker 4: just from like what that guy could be in that
Speaker 4: house or the possibilities of that. I'll even just say
Speaker 4: one more quickly. Think about the last couple.
Speaker 2: What if the guy's whole plan, What if the whole
Speaker 2: plot of the whole thing is to make the tour
Speaker 2: last so long that people just start going, I'm sorry, dude,
Speaker 2: I can't I just can't go. Like we left, then
Speaker 2: those people followed us. At the end of every tour,
Speaker 2: there's always one person that loves the castle so much
Speaker 2: that they stay for the whole tour, and they get
Speaker 2: added to the castle.
Speaker 3: All the ghosts are the ghosts, and the tour got.
Speaker 2: The tour is the last the last person standing that's like,
Speaker 2: I love this place. They kill them and make them
Speaker 2: a permanent part.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, house absorbs them.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 2: See, I'm glad we have all this documented. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: write at least two of these screenplays.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that would be such a good movie.
Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying. See, so that's cool. Tense golds.
Speaker 2: It's tense goldworthy just because of the creepy vibes it
Speaker 2: gives up to give you ideas.
Speaker 3: Like true true. But you know, if you think about it,
Speaker 3: like I wonder what he said after we left, Like,
Speaker 3: how do you justify how long you've been going?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you think he was like apologetic and being
Speaker 2: like I'm so sorry, like you know?
Speaker 1: Or was he like those jerks I can't believe.
Speaker 2: I'm glad they're gone.
Speaker 8: They must not appreciate architecture. Some people just don't understand, dude.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, you really can't describe what that
Speaker 2: tour was unless you just take it.
Speaker 3: It was a ghost tour, but like in more ways
Speaker 3: than one.
Speaker 1: It was a ghost tour if you like, remove ghosts.
Speaker 3: And shut up Brian.
Speaker 1: On an adventure. If you remove like fun and you
Speaker 1: remove ghosts and you remove.
Speaker 3: It's fun now that it's over.
Speaker 1: No, it was. It was a great experience.
Speaker 3: It'll be a forever memory.
Speaker 1: I actually don't regret one bit of it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: did you guys.
Speaker 3: Have weird stuff in the photos you took?
Speaker 1: No? Remember I wasn't allowed to take.
Speaker 3: Photos your nose, did you, brother?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a picture of two weirdos. I sent
Speaker 2: it to you guys.
Speaker 1: It was YouTube.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, the.
Speaker 3: Mirror decapitated body behind us or anything?
Speaker 2: No, No, I honestly there was. But but to Brian's point,
Speaker 2: there were a couple of places in the house where
Speaker 2: I did feel creeped out. I will say that there
Speaker 2: were some creepy places, and there were at least two.
Speaker 2: There were those two rooms where there was a there
Speaker 2: was an actual you could feel the different in temperature. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just those two rooms. It was.
Speaker 1: It was significantly colder in those.
Speaker 2: Two rooms for no reason.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: So I'll give it. I'll give it that as well.
Speaker 3: Did you get the creeps in the Pagan festival room?
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: I did. Yeah, I thought it was very creepy in.
Speaker 1: The only other thing I'm going to add to this,
Speaker 1: and I did this to my sister on the way
Speaker 1: home because her little bitch ass never wants to She's
Speaker 1: the type of person that's like, will you drive me?
Speaker 1: You know, parking parking is probably gonna be a bit.
Speaker 1: It's like, you just don't want to drive. Come on.
Speaker 1: But I'm driving her home and I looked at her
Speaker 1: and I go, don't look in your rear view mirror
Speaker 1: because one of the ghosts and spirits probably followed you
Speaker 1: back and it's going to be sitting in your back
Speaker 1: seat while you're driving home. And she goes, shut your
Speaker 1: fucking mouth right now, shut your mouth, Brian, I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear about that. I said, Oh no, it's
Speaker 1: definitely going to happen. I could tell that they were
Speaker 1: definitely checking you out throughout the entire tour, and the
Speaker 1: probably latched onto you like I've seen in so many
Speaker 1: horror documentaries. And she goes, she goes, just shut up right,
Speaker 1: it's so stupid, so stupid that you'd even say something
Speaker 1: so stupid. God, that's stupid. I'd drop her off. And
Speaker 1: I go and I start.
Speaker 3: Looking in my rear view mirror and I go.
Speaker 1: Fuck, I'm scared myself. I kept thinking there was gonna
Speaker 1: be somebody in my rear view mirror sitting in my
Speaker 1: bag seat, and I couldn't stop thinking about it. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, damn it. And so I get back
Speaker 1: to the house and I'm by myself, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm closing my door. I'm closing my door.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be fine. I'll leave one light on. I'm good,
Speaker 1: nobody's in. And the heat had kicked on or something,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden I hear boom because the
Speaker 1: door had expected like because of the pressure difference in
Speaker 1: the room boom. Dude. I jumped out of my sheets
Speaker 1: all because of that stupid tour with the no ghosts,
Speaker 1: and I scared myself. Then I got back into bed.
Speaker 1: I was perfectly fine after that, but I had I
Speaker 1: totally freaked myself out. Ladies and gentlemen, Julie.
Speaker 2: That's why I say this is a heat. You gotta
Speaker 2: go four stars to six stars now, or skulls. You
Speaker 2: gotta take it to six skulls.
Speaker 3: I will take it to eight. You go, I will
Speaker 3: take it to eight skulls. And I'll tell you why,
Speaker 3: because now that he said that, it adds a whole
Speaker 3: nother dimension to what happened to Britney and I. When
Speaker 3: we got home. What so, you know, she's upset, and
Speaker 3: then she's like talking about how upset she is all
Speaker 3: the way one hour drive from Cleveland back to her house.
Speaker 3: And she lives in the middle of nowhere, literally no neighbors,
Speaker 3: no street lights, nothing, so no not even yeah, she
Speaker 3: has no Wi Fi. Nothing. So we pulled back up
Speaker 3: to her house and we all got out of the
Speaker 3: car and put our jammis on and she had made
Speaker 3: a bedroom up for me to sleep in the extra bedroom.
Speaker 3: But I'm I'm scared to death of doing anything like
Speaker 3: that and sleeping by myself in a dark room. So
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to sleep on the cow
Speaker 3: and JJ was scared, so she went and slept in
Speaker 3: the bed with Britney that night. And I'm by myself
Speaker 3: in the pitch black living room, and every creek, every
Speaker 3: whisper of the wind, everything, I was just like, oh,
Speaker 3: like all night, like I couldn't sleep, but I finally
Speaker 3: fell asleep and I was like, nothing followed us out
Speaker 3: of there. We should be good. I think we're probably good.
Speaker 3: And then the next morning, Brittany wakes up and she
Speaker 3: was like, I had nightmares all night last night that
Speaker 3: I was walking through the house and trying to get out,
Speaker 3: and every door I opened led to another hallway to
Speaker 3: another door, and I was And then we talked to
Speaker 3: Kim and she was like, I had nightmares all night
Speaker 3: last night that I couldn't get out of the house.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my god, we're I'm gonna die.
Speaker 3: So I mean it does like that's a forever memory
Speaker 3: that you don't forget about. That's like having a haunted
Speaker 3: house experience as a family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very true. I didn't get a chance to
Speaker 2: be scared like that. I came back to the city
Speaker 2: downtown and was stepping over urine.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you didn't even have the little bit
Speaker 3: of creeps.
Speaker 2: I didn't have time to be creeped out.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was busy trying to feed the meters on my void.
Speaker 2: The parking bands downtown, oh my god, which is scarier
Speaker 2: than any haunted house there is dealing with parking bands downtown.
Speaker 3: But at least we know the tour guide is not
Speaker 3: a ghost because the restaurant we went to afterwards said
Speaker 3: that he's a frequent visitor of the bar.
Speaker 2: Well we knew that.
Speaker 1: Surprise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were all sitting there talking about it, and
Speaker 3: I said the joke about he said his name was Jeans,
Speaker 3: but with no J and an I and no A,
Speaker 3: and we all started laughing like that's not Jeans. And
Speaker 3: then the waitress comes up and she goes, oh, you're
Speaker 3: talking about out yawns. He comes to the bar all
Speaker 3: the time, and we all were like, what, of course
Speaker 3: he does. At least we know he's real.
Speaker 2: Well, now we know. We were talking shit and that
Speaker 2: was all his friends. We were talking shit in.
Speaker 1: Front of dude.
Speaker 3: The waitress. She was like, so you wouldn't do it again,
Speaker 3: like even just for like the experience of it, And
Speaker 3: we were all like, nah, but that was like the
Speaker 3: heat of the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would do it. If they would lock me
Speaker 2: in for one hour, I would just do one hour
Speaker 2: by myself walking around.
Speaker 3: That's how I was a self guided tours.
Speaker 2: Self guided one hour tour.
Speaker 1: Hey, let's throw it all out there. Let's throw it
Speaker 1: all out there. Let's see where you guys, really where
Speaker 1: your allegiances really lie. If I came to you and said,
Speaker 1: I'm going to spend the night in the Franklin Castle,
Speaker 1: I have a room, we have up to four people
Speaker 1: and a Ouiji board.
Speaker 2: Oh damn are you or.
Speaker 1: Are you out?
Speaker 3: I'm in minus Theuigi board. You're in minus, I'm in
Speaker 3: Minus Luigi.
Speaker 1: Well, how are we gonna communicate?
Speaker 3: We're just gonna We're gonna do like an EVP sash, like,
Speaker 3: turn the recorder on our phone and go around and
Speaker 3: ask questions and then listen to the audio back later.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, well.
Speaker 2: I bet you I know what one of the voices
Speaker 2: are gonna say. You're a pussy, You're a pussy. Get
Speaker 2: the Ouiji board out and we are gonna summon some demons, baby,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna go right into the dense dark room
Speaker 2: with the pagan They're gonna summon demons.
Speaker 3: I'm in for the sleepover minus Luigi brothers.
Speaker 2: All right, well fine, I'll bring rbs. Then instead, it's
Speaker 2: either a Wiji board or some really good chicken tenders
Speaker 2: for Marby's. Okay, that's it. That's all.
Speaker 3: I'll take a beef and sheddar. But are you are
Speaker 3: you in for the sleepover with or without Oigi board.
Speaker 2: I'll show up either way. If for me, which pajamas
Speaker 2: am I gonna bring? That's all I'm working.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna Are you gonna partake in the investigation?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna sit there the whole time and crack jokes?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I will partake. I'll partake and crack jokes at the
Speaker 2: same time. I can walk in cho gumps. There's no
Speaker 2: problem at all.
Speaker 1: I would I would, You know, I haven't done it.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've done a Wigi board in twenty years,
Speaker 1: but I would probably do it. Just put my hands
Speaker 1: God Brian, yeah at her, and then I'd be like,
Speaker 1: are you moving it? Or am I moving it? Are
Speaker 1: you moving it? Or am I moving it? It's moving yet,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm not moving it. And then somebody
Speaker 1: else I'm not moving meanwhile, spelling things and all our
Speaker 1: ad ds like now win and pick up any of that.
Speaker 1: That's all generish to me. What is that German? Are
Speaker 1: you starting?
Speaker 3: Is that German for fark?
Speaker 2: Suddenly in the corner of the room, we summoned Yams
Speaker 2: and he's like, did you call me?
Speaker 1: I'd be like no, no, no, no, go back, come back.
Speaker 3: You'd be like, no, yarns.
Speaker 5: God, did I show you the toilet that was installed
Speaker 5: in twenty fourteen and has nothing.
Speaker 3: To do about that?
Speaker 1: The toilet seat is heated.
Speaker 4: I got it from all my tomsail and that's nothing.
Speaker 1: Oh it's important from a place called what do you
Speaker 1: call China? Oh my god, I got these.
Speaker 4: Look at these hundred and fifty year old towels. They
Speaker 4: came from a place called bed bath.
Speaker 1: And beyond.
Speaker 3: All, let's put some ribbon on ribbons on this though,
Speaker 3: the Franklin Castle, I think it could potentially be haunted.
Speaker 3: I think it's worth going on the tour. If you're
Speaker 3: listening to this episode and you know what to expect,
Speaker 3: and you clear out your afternoon and you eat like
Speaker 3: you said Brian beforehand. And honest to God, the next
Speaker 3: person who goes on the tour, they need to like
Speaker 3: be the douchebag to say can we go onto the
Speaker 3: next room, or like can you cut this like somebody
Speaker 3: needs to edit.
Speaker 2: Actually here here, you want to ribbon this thing up.
Speaker 2: I will ribbon this thing up. Don't take tour.
Speaker 1: Don't take the tour.
Speaker 2: Don't even think about taking the tour. Stay in the
Speaker 2: house overnight. Boom, wait, don't about taking the tour. You
Speaker 2: will get a much better experience if you can get
Speaker 2: sealed up in that house by yourself for any length
Speaker 2: of time. I think that would be I.
Speaker 1: Do wonder because they do ghost tours there. I wonder
Speaker 1: if he avoids talking anything about ghosts until unless you
Speaker 1: pay the one ghost tour fee.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, he doesn't want.
Speaker 1: The thirty five dollars fee. Is just I'm gonna walk
Speaker 1: you around and talk about renovations. But the one nine
Speaker 1: pm to two am ghost tour, right, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: I believe probably goes till ten o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they'd still be there. They'd still be there
Speaker 2: that is noted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, brankfast is not provided.
Speaker 2: I think that's the point. Though. The more time you
Speaker 2: can spend in the house unsupervised, I think the better
Speaker 2: that that that. I think that's when you'll start feeling energies,
Speaker 2: having more opportunities to see things that I that's so,
Speaker 2: that's what I would say. My advice would be, just
Speaker 2: stay in the house. If you're really that interested in it,
Speaker 2: just stay there for a night.
Speaker 3: I agree, without a Wiji board, yes.
Speaker 2: Or however you decide to do it.
Speaker 10: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Well, with that being said, I'm ready to wrap everything up.
Speaker 1: I appreciate every I appreciate everybody, uh going on this
Speaker 1: tour with us, the verbal tour, which I actually think
Speaker 1: will hopefully be a little bit more interesting than the
Speaker 1: actual tour probably so, and bring your earbuds with you
Speaker 1: and just listen to us talk this crap as you
Speaker 1: walk around the actual house. It would be a phenomenal tour. Idea. Uh,
Speaker 1: that'd be that the genius. But I appreciate everybody coming on,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you coming out. How was your How
Speaker 1: was your trip by the way before week before.
Speaker 3: We go, Oh, I thought it was great. I thought
Speaker 3: it was some good bonding time. I got to see
Speaker 3: my brother more than I did for most of my
Speaker 3: life in this short week. He actually hung out with
Speaker 3: me every day while while I was up there. And
Speaker 3: I think there's something to be said about like our
Speaker 3: family is small, but we're really close and we all
Speaker 3: like love the same stuff too, because a lot of
Speaker 3: people have to like take their friends on ghost tours
Speaker 3: or something, but we're all like into it and we're
Speaker 3: all like, let's do it together and that that's like
Speaker 3: forever memories and stuff. I think it was great.
Speaker 1: I did too, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And let's do it again. Man, Like I said, believe
Speaker 2: in ghosts or not, if you spend time with your family,
Speaker 2: I'm all for it to day.
Speaker 3: Let's get locked in an insanitorium next time.
Speaker 1: But whether whether we're alone with your family and out
Speaker 1: and you feel like you need to stop and get
Speaker 1: a little bit of a drink, or let's say you're
Speaker 1: giving a tour and hell, it's been twenty minutes since
Speaker 1: your last drink and maybe you he just sneaked off
Speaker 1: into the level of room and get another one. When
Speaker 1: do you do it? Just do it in the name
Speaker 1: of Cleveland. Schwell, and I'll tell you what, as long
Speaker 1: as you do it in the name of Cleveland swell.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, and we'll see you next time time,
Speaker 1: and