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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor and chief of The Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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Speaker 2: We'd like to hear from you. Molly.

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Speaker 1: I think we have an important topic set up for today.

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Speaker 2: We don't have to go looking for anything to talk about.

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Speaker 1: War is on in the Middle East against Iran, the

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United States at Israel.

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Speaker 2: What day did the bombing start? Saturday?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, It's overnight for me. Between Friday and Saturday, we've.

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Speaker 1: Been talking about Iran and nuke's my whole career. We've

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been talking about the prospects of war there whole career.

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Speaker 2: I would say Iran has.

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Speaker 1: Been an enemy of the United States as long as

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I can remember, you know, when as a kid in

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the Iranian hostage situation. But I think it's worth mentioning

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that they also were behind in many ways the bombing

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and the barracks in Beirut which killed hundreds of American soldiers,

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the Cobar Tower bombings, with which the Iranian Revolutionary which

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the Islamic Revolutionary Guard participated in planning, probably and numerous

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other kidnappings and hostage taking, and they have been Whatever

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you think about war, there is no denying I think

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that they have been an enemy of the United States

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for forty seven years. Were you surprised we did this?

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What was your reaction?

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Speaker 3: It's kind of funny because, in addition to everything you say,

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we had been watching a massive build up in the

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region of all of our military assets. So there's no

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way that you could say you were surprised by the

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action that took place, and yet I was still somewhat

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surprised I had. I mean, I'll just say I thought

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I understood Trump's approach to foreign policy on not engaging

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in a full fledged war to achieve objectives, and so

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I erroneously thought that the build up was more a

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threat to get around to make concessions that might be

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supported by a much less fully engaged war operation than

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the one that we're seeing.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense, Yeah, probably, Well for me, it's

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a little different.

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Speaker 2: The surprise.

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Speaker 1: The surprise for me was that we've talked about this

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forever and we never actually follow through. Rany and regime

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will go and do you know, engage in negotiations forever,

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make all kinds of promises, try to extract all kinds

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of goodies from the United States, and in the end

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just break them and then we repeat the process. I

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think Trump broke broke that fail feckless policy that's gone

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on forever. There's an Axios report. Take it for what

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you will. That what happened was Benjamin Netanya who called Trump. Obviously,

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they have been building up, as you say, for months now,

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so it's not like there wasn't military in place and

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a plan in place. People think there's no plan are

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fooling themselves. But that Netagna who saw or the most out,

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saw that all the Iranian leadership was going to be

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at a meeting. I don't know why these guys keep

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showing up to meetings. I think it's a big.

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Speaker 2: Problem for them.

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Speaker 1: But they were going to be at a meeting, and

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it was an opportunity to be to behead the Iranian regime.

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And Trump took him up on it. He gave his

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State of the Union, barely mentioned Iran really downplayed it

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not to spook them. And then because the Iranians had

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not been open to a deal. I mean Trump, if

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it's true Witkoff and all the people in Geneva laid

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out a very uh clear, achievable deal for the Ranians

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to sign. The surprises that we've gone through this so

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often and that Trump actually now has created a credible

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deterrence for people who are our enemies and undermine us

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broad but also kill our citizens.

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Speaker 3: So so okay, a couple of questions on it. You

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say that Trump has created a credible deterrence for these people,

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well for authors, now for for others, what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: It means that you if you are going to create

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red lines? Trump? Listen, Trump. Trump says a lot of

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things that he says a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Things early consistent for decades that he does not believe

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Iran can have nukes. Right. The White House sent out

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d Times that Trump has said it over the decades.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: That is, whatever else other inconsistencies he may have, that

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is one consistency he has had.

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Speaker 1: They cannot have nukes as a consistent position he's had.

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I saw a twenty eleven video of him talking about it,

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and I think there's videos going back even earlier that

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is consistent. But Trump said, you have to stop killing civilians.

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You have to stop in your ballistics program, you have

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to stop enriching uranium. They do whatever they want because

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they know, and they knew that there would really not

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be any kind of real repercussion. And I think our

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enemies around the world have learned, including in Venezuela, that

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Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Is going to act.

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Speaker 1: It's not just going to be just diplomacy forever. If

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I were an enemy of the United States right now,

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I mean, I see a lot of people say, oh,

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does this mean that you know other people can just

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attack weaker countries and whenever they want, the US has

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given them an excuse.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I think that other countries and the enemies of the

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United States are nervous right now because Donald Trump has

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acted on his words and his promises and followed through

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on his threats into places I mean in many more

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than that, actually, But and it is a decisive action,

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and that if they do something, you know, to undermine

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our interest around the world, that there's a price to pay.

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Speaker 2: Do you not agree with that? Oh?

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Speaker 3: No, I'm just curious to hear anything on what's going

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on here. But I'm more curious about you said that

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people were foolish if they think there has not been

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a well executed plan here. So maybe you can tell

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us a little more about how you see this playing

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out over the next hours, days, weeks, months, Like, what

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is the plan exactly?

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Speaker 2: Well, I meant a military plan.

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Speaker 1: Anyone who plans for how things are going to shake

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out in the Middle East where makes predictions in that

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way are fools because they rarely come true. I think

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the best case scenario and the hope probably of the

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Trump administration is that they weaken the regime enough. That's

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some kind of and I probably there is some plan

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to try to spark this kind of organic regime change,

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either by finding someone well, let me put it this way,

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in the way that we tamed Venezuela and found someone

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who was willing to basically work with us to some extent.

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I don't know if that's going to work out. I

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think regime change solely through airpower is incredibly difficult. It's

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not that it can never happen, but it is difficult.

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There's a report that we're giving Kurt, that we're arming

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Kurds in the North.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true.

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Speaker 1: It was reported by CNN and what's her name, Natasha.

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Speaker 3: Bertram Hoaser, Natasha bertrand.

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Speaker 1: So I would I would not, you know, I'd like

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to see more on that, though I don't know why

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the Kurds shouldn't have a state if the Palace to

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everyone supports the Palestinian stated, Kurds have many more people.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, it's very complicated.

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Speaker 1: So so in worst case scenario, we have gelded the

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Iranian regime, and there are very good reasons to do

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that outside of the obvious.

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Speaker 2: So we could get to that in a minute.

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Speaker 1: Their ballistic program, missile program is in shaw, you know, shattered,

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their leadership is shattered. Their best minds and people with

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military their best military minds and those who have the

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most experience have been killed. So they're probably you know,

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and I still think there's work to do on the

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nuclear end. I mean, you may have to send in

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some kind of special forces to deal with that here

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and there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: What.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: The problem here is that that we, because of the

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neo conservatives of two decades, we have this idea that

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when you go into war, there's this plan you can

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write out, that these technocrats can write out how everything's

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going to go, and that there's an easy solution. I

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don't think there's an easy solution, but that shouldn't handcuff

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us from acting when we have to act. It's not

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our responsibility to have to clean up every country we bomb.

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These people have been our enemies, they have killed Americans,

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they have allowed the Chinese to essentially they're basically becoming

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a client change state of the Chicoms. I saw a story,

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you know, four days before the bombing, Reuters reported that

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Iran nears deal to buy supersonic anti ship missiles from China.

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You can't let Iran have that. I mean's so much

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oil and commerce goes through near them, through the straits

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that Americats act on that in that way as well.

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Ninety percent of their crude oil goes to China. The

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same thing with venezuel It was really about China in

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some sense for the United States, and I think that's

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important as well. I don't know, I'm all over the

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place because it's such a big topic, but I don't

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know that there's a specific plan that's easily written out

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from a B to C.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I think that the hope is that they'll be regime change,

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and worst case scenario or iron is immensely weakened.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I have like three more questions as a result

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of that or comments. The first one is that you

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said that the ballistic missile program had been shattered, that

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the nuclear program had been shattered. And I will just

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say I no longer believe such claims when people make them.

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I feel somewhat foolish for having believed Trump and his

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administration about how effective the massive strikes against the nuclear

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facilities were in June. I in fact, remember that the

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media came out shortly thereafter and said that might have

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not been so effective, and everybody lambasted them for saying that,

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only to have Trump himself say a few months later, Yeah,

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actually we had to go after them again because it

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really didn't matter what we did in June. I mean,

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that's not how he said it, but you know what

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this massive expenditure and effort had been really effective, and

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we would be in a regime change war within a

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Speaker 1: Did you Can I just talk about the initial thing

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that you said for a second. Yeah, obviously Donald Trump exaggerates.

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He said obliterated I think was the word. Now, all

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of a sudden, we're going to take him very literally.

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Speaker 2: I think we shouldn't do that.

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Speaker 1: I think they were set back tremendously, But that is

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not the reason that Israel and the United States move now. Obviously,

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if we are to believe Steve Whitcoff, the Ranians admit

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they have about a lot of enriched uranium already that

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we needed them to hand over.

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Speaker 2: That they had moved farther than we thought.

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Speaker 1: When people say the bomb is imminent, they don't mean

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that could. They could be imminent forever. They have to

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finish it off. They could stay in one place in

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that timeline forever. The thing, though, is the attack needed

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to happen probably now or soon, because Iran is at

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its weakest right now.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean they haven't been set back.

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Speaker 1: That means that now is the least dangerous time for

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the United States military to do this. At some point,

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if the Chinese weaponry gets to Iran, if we let

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them have tons of ballistic missiles, it's going to become

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a far bigger war. It could become a much bigger quagmire.

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Right now, we have air superiority Unfortunately we lost four

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sould American servicemen. And but the reason to move now

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is that they're at their weakest. So the idea that

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they weren't set back, I think they were set back

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and they are now at their weakest. So waiting for

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them to re arm was going to be dangerous, especially

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since they wouldn't agree to the deal that was laid

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is not dangerous and they are not on the cusp,

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why can't they agree to a deal to hand over

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their enrich uranium to shut down their programs that are

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very deep in mountain side sides that cluster bombs can't

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get to. I mean, you know, so I think that's

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is an interesting thing too, I'd said, I

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don't believe when people say we've smashed their capabilities, it's

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not just because of engaging in a new round here.

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But there was a story that one of the facilities

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that we had attacked during that twelve day campaign in

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June is being left untouched right now, and it is

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the one where the Iranians are storing they're enriched uranium, right,

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it's the Isfahan facility.

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Speaker 2: That's what they say. We don't mean, we don't know.

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Speaker 3: You ask like, why aren't they turning it over? And

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the answer. But I'm wondering if correct me, if this

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might just sound crazy. What if they're further along in

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their nuke development than we realize? What if they do

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have nukes for instance? Is that crazy?

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Speaker 2: No? But there's it's it's not that simple.

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Speaker 3: No one's in there because like I'm pretty sure there's

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a short distance between having enriched uranium and basically having

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a new but you have to.

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Speaker 1: Figure out waye delivery systems and I mean it's not

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that simple.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, right, But we have very little other than

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Israel apparently knowing everything about where everybody is in Iran.

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I feel like we don't have great insight. We haven't

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they haven't been letting people in to analyze their program.

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does that mean? I think it could explain some of

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their reluctance to negotiate, But I don't know if that,

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Speaker 1: Maybe I suspect that Israel would know. It seems like

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they're really embedded in that country.

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Speaker 3: Any way they do know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they do, but so maybe that's why we have it.

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Speaker 3: We don't know, but maybe the US government in Israel knows,

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and maybe that explains it would.

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Speaker 1: Be it would not be something to share until it

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was secured and all over. Yeah, or maybe you know

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there are there are maybe there are humanitarian reasons not

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to bomb there. Maybe you're you know, maybe you're going

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to release radioactive material.

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Speaker 2: I don't know any of that. I'm just saying there

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could be reasons we don't know.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot we don't know in the fog of war,

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and you know, Israel's not going to share that.

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Speaker 2: The CIA is not going to share that with us.

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Speaker 1: And I don't have a lot of faith that the

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CIA knows what's going on with weapons of mass destruction.

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But there's a far better case here that the Iranians

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are far closer and trying than there was for Iraq

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when we invaded Iraq. Everyone says regime change war. I

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just think that's aspirational. I just I don't really believe

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like that. The Israelis think that through air power there's

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going to I think they want a regime change because

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they want a friendly nation there, which should be this.

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Iran should not be an enemy of Israel or the

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United States. But it is complicated. I think it's thirty

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five percent of Iran are Arabs or other minorities. It's

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like there are a lot of people in rural areas

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who are pro you know, regime. It's in the big

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cities where people aren't. So I'm saying it's complicated. I

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don't know about the regime change. I hope it happens,

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but it's not really our responsibility to go down there

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and make it happen. I think we need to try

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to help people if we can, but not at the

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expense of American lives. And I don't believe Donald Trump's

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going to I don't believe this needs to be a

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long war, and I don't believe this is going to

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be a forever war. And I don't believe that we're

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going to have massive troop deployments. We don't even we

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didn't we didn't even send enough troops to invade any place.

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I don't know why people think that's going to happen.

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We have fifty thousand people in the area.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's go back to you said. You said

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you wanted to talk about reasons for the war, and

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for the war. One of them is that he does

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want to change the regime, which has already happened by

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virtue of killing off. I mean it's happened at least

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to some extent. I'm being flippant killing through the killing

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of the Supreme leader. But he's talked also about how

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they have some people in mind who might be good

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for replacement but they got killed too, or who might

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be candidates for replacement not good for replacement. And then

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we had the strike. You made the joke about how

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all everyone was gathered at once and that's how we

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were able to take out forty of their leaders. But

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then when they met to replace the leader, we took

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out that meeting too. People have been making jokes like

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have these people not heard of emails or zoom or

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you know, is there a way for them to gather

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without all being in the same room and getting killed

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by their enemies.

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Speaker 4: College underemployment is at crisis, levels. Almost half of recent

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college grads are working in jobs that do not require

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Speaker 3: So, among the reasons that Trump has given for why

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he launched this war was regime change. And I do

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not know how regime change can be affected from the air,

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and so I'm or I always think of it this way.

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There are ranges of possibilities. I think there's like a

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five percent chance that you could affect regime change from

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the air. Trump tends to be lucky. Maybe he'll be

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lucky here. But if regime change is a goal, as

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he has stated, I'm wondering how long we wait to

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see if that five percent chance of being able to

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do it without a ground invasion works, or does he

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give up on that goal or what.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we can say there's been pristine coherence

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here in messaging. I think the messaging has been pretty.

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Speaker 2: Bad.

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Speaker 1: One reason for that probably is because there are an

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array of reasons that we're going after Iran, and it's

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difficult to explain. So the Trump administration is trying to

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find the most salable reasons and objectives to sell the

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American people. I don't think they've done a great job

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on that at all. You can affect regime change in

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different sorts of ways that in the world. You can

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keep killing leaders until you get to someone who's going

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to do business with you, or maybe someone is just

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a Mosad agent. You can also do this and hope

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for and I think this is one of the hopes

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a coup, not of the Revolutionary Guard but the regular army.

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If you really believe, and maybe people don't, that they

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can have nukes, that we don't want them. We don't

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want them, that Iran to be an outpost for Chinese

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military that you know, there are our enemy. These are

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secondary concerns in the long run, We're not you know,

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we don't have to rebuild countries.

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Speaker 2: We don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's their problem in the end. We can

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do what we can to help them. But they were

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an enemy of our allies of the United States. You

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have the entire every Gulf nation now essentially together against Iran.

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There are a longstanding threat to our Sunny Golf allies

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or our friends.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is the real world.

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Speaker 1: We have to have allies, and obviously Israel is an

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ally of ours, despite the anger of most people.

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Speaker 2: So we're a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: And if you believe all that, we get to act

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militarily without having to worry that every single thing is

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going to work out exactly how we want in the

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long run within that country, I think. And we have

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no responsibility to rebuild that country either if we don't want.

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I think that that's an old you know, one of

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these antiquated ideas that we should dispense with.

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Speaker 3: How many countries have nuclear weapons right now? It's like nine.

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Speaker 2: Something like that, Pakistan, India, Israel.

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Speaker 3: In India, Israel, North Trance. Do we already say Russia,

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US China? Okay? So whatever, it's a not a ton,

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do you think? And then we saw it yesterday. I

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got them yesterday. Poland said that they were going to

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work toward getting nukes. I am reminded of something Charles

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Crowdhammer said on Special Report one night, all right, I

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mean I remember him saying it that night. I don't

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know if he said it on air, that he thought

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that all countries should have nukes, that that was the

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only way to handle things going forward. Like, you couldn't

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keep people from getting nukes, so just let everybody have

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them and then it works for this mutually assured destruction?

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Is that kind of thing he would say to to

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be counterintuitive, But do you I think also about how

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with Libya we forced them to give up their nukes

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and it led to a greater ease for us to

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affect regime change from the air, and it was a mess.

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Right will does not make countries realize that the only

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way that they can protect themselves is to have nukes

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and to start a race toward that. I'm not even

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saying that as a bad thing, given what Crowdhammer said,

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But how would this make people less likely to work

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very hard to develop nukes?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I thought my country was going to

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be carpet bombed if I was making nukes, I think

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it would make me less likely to try to get one.

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But more than that, Crowdhammer is completely wrong. I mean,

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Crowdhammer would have been right if you were talking about

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rational actors in the world. Even dictatorships are rational actors

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to some extent. The Iranian Shia twelvers the revolutionaries of

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the Komani revolutionaries are not rational actors. If they were

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rational actors, they wouldn't have put their country in this

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position for decade after decade, they're waiting for the twelvethy mom.

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I'm not saying they're all going to blow themselves up.

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Speaker 2: I think their view is completely different.

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Speaker 3: I do agree that their religious ideology is dangerous and

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problematic and does not match in a world with our values.

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I have grown to dislike when people say that someone's crazy.

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We hear this all the time. It's like, you know,

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whether it's North Korea, Russia, Iran. Rather than looking at

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them as countries that we disagree with or who we

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think their ideology is wrong, we just say, oh, they're crazy.

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Do you remember when Putin invaded Ukraine and everyone was like,

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he's so crazy on chemo drugs, that's why he's doing this.

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And it was like, well, actually you can disagree with

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him and completely see what his strategy is here with Ukraine,

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Like it actually made perfect sense, and so I grow

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I just there's something I like react against when people say, oh,

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this regime, because there people are getting killed, that shows

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that they're crazy. Shouldn't we start with the assumption that

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people are acting in what they perceive as their interest

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and in fact, maybe they really do think that Israel

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in the US will literally wipe them off the map

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unless they have nukes, and so they see it as

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an existential threat that way.

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Speaker 2: That's not a rational position.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're mentally ill or crazy.

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Speaker 2: In that way.

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Speaker 1: I just believe they're rational or what they think is

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a rational outlook on the world. Is Islamic fundamentalism, a

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cosmic generational view of society. It is irrational in the

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sense of geopolitics or of domestic politics to bring destitution

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to your people, to try to get nukes. They're not getty.

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Do you honestly think that they believe that Israel can

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wipe them off the map?

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Speaker 2: For once?

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Speaker 1: Israel has nukes right now, they could have wiped them

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off the map a long time ago. America could wipe

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them off the map a long time ago. I think

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Russia is a completely different story. Putin is completely rational.

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He's doing things he thinks are best for Russia. I

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think they're wrong. But we talked about nukes in North Korea.

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That's a perfect example of why you can't let an

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actor like this get nukes. It literally protects them completely.

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They could go out if they had nukes and spread terrorism,

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kill Americans. There's nothing we can do that wouldn't lead

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to some kind of nuclear confrontation.

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Speaker 3: That's all true, and I tend to agree with you.

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I once again kind of want to see what is

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the game plan for eradicating that as a threat? You

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kill them, how many of them and for how long

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till you.

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Speaker 1: Get to some Well, at some point you're going to

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get to someone who's going to do business with you

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or not. Then we just leave it, and then they're

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incredibly weakened. Like I'm not saying, you know, and if

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you have to go back ten years from now starting

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up a new program, you go back. There's no we

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don't live in utopia. There are bad guys in this

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world and sometimes you have to deal with them.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I'm I'm just trying to listen, trying to

482
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learn on this new regime change war in the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: I don't buy that regime change war?

484
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Speaker 3: What was that?

485
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Speaker 2: I don't buy that it's actually a regime change war.

486
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Speaker 1: I think that American politicians are always trying to appeal

487
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to the charity and good will of American voters. I

488
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think that's true, and they want you know that's a

489
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selling point.

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Speaker 3: You think you think calling for regime change, war in

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the in the persion with the Persian Empire is a

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selling point for the American people because I actually, Okay,

493
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so interesting.

494
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a difference. We have to believe,

495
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there's a difference between imposing democracy on people and trying

496
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to help them take their own country back. Persians don't

497
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run Iran. Colmanias to run Iran. It's a complete tyranny.

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So I think that we try to appeal to Americans'

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ideals of freedom in a way. I don't think I

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think China is the reason we're they're I think nukes

501
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are the reason we're there. I think the Straits are

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the reason we're there. I don't think I think regime

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change probably in the minds of people who are planning

504
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this and care about this, comes beneath that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think most Americans, particularly anyone alive since

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the late seventies, understands that Iran is a hostile foreign power.

507
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They have engaged in hostile actions against the United States

508
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for decades. Totally agree with you there, I think, well,

509
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I saw Tom Cotton say yesterday, they have been an

510
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imminent threat to the United States since nineteen seventy nine,

511
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and I was like, I think we're going to work

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on that definition of the word imminent there, buddy. But

513
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they have been a thorn in our side for that

514
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long period of time. How much you view them as

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a day to day threat, I think varies widely. I

516
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think most Americans do not perceive a daily threat from Iran,

517
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even if they don't like them, right. So that also

518
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relates to how much Americans are willing to do in

519
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terms of time, money, lives, all that to constrain the

520
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Iranian regime, and some people want to obliterate the Iranian regime.

521
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There is a wide there's so much people have very

522
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different ideas about what should be done to constrain them

523
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all the way up to obliterate them. And for forty

524
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seven years we have not done what we've done in

525
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the last year, right, And so I do think that

526
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a people who want to do a regime change war

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in Iran should have could have done a much better

528
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job of making the case for it leading up to

529
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when we all found ourselves at war with Iran. And

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I don't mean that in the way that we haven't

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been at war with Iran since the late seventies. Yeah,

532
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I get that, But this dramatic escalation of action, I

533
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think is something that could have you already alluded to it.

534
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The communication has been weak. I think that Americans will

535
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tolerate a very short period of time of action here,

536
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although the polls show that. What is I mean? I

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saw a Fox News poll. I think it was fifty

538
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to fifty. Fifty percent of Americans support this. Fifty percent don't.

539
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That's a pretty low percentage on the early days of

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a war. So those numbers always go down. Right. Our

541
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involvement in the Russia Ukrainian War started it out at

542
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like ninety percent and then it plummeted. Starting out at

543
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:09,920
fifty to fifty is not where you want to be

544
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heading into what could be a very lengthy campaign. You disagree,

545
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:14,759
Tell me why.

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Speaker 1: I disagree, because most issues, when you look at these,

547
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first of all, they ask the question in weird ways,

548
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but most issues, when you look basically mirror where people

549
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stand on Donald Trump. Donald Trump is a singular figure

550
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in that sense among Republicans. I saw many polls show

551
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like there's eighty two percent support for what he's done.

552
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:38,480
Right now, you're right, of course, if it goes on

553
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,720
and on, it's you know that will fall. But fifty

554
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to fifty for anything Donald Trump does is not bad

555
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in my view. I would say this that the Americans

556
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like when we do well and win, and they don't

557
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like when we fail and lose.

558
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Speaker 2: They are not as especially on war. They're very mercurial.

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With Iraq.

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Speaker 1: Everyone wanted to go in once it went bad. It's

561
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like no one ever wanted to go in. Everyone's like,

562
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I don't know why we went there. But so I

563
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think you're right. It has to be a short term

564
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and decisive move. We can't get bogged down there and

565
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I don't think we will. And if it's successful in

566
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some way I don't mean regime change, but in finding

567
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someone there who will do business with us, a surrender

568
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of some sort, something like that, I think it's going

569
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to be a success. I think most Republicans are fine

570
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,200
with it. I think most Americans will. Democrats will be

571
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against it, because they're just against anything Donald Trump does.

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Speaker 3: I want to say that I am trying to give

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two weeks of grace. I am trying to give two

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weeks here. I assume, like you do, that they have

575
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a plan they're not sharing the plan for a reason

576
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that that maybe that will either come out or develop

577
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or something within two weeks. So I am doing my very.

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Speaker 2: Best thing you've told me in the past.

579
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Speaker 3: Hope you hear it. I'm trying very I hear you.

580
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Speaker 1: You've told me in the past that you're fine with

581
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us bombing people and getting out of their our enemies.

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Speaker 2: And not just fine.

583
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Speaker 3: I actually love it. I think it's okay.

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Speaker 1: Iran has no air defense already gone, its capacity to

585
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launch missiles, it's completely diminished. It's planned to. Its planned

586
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to bomb Gulf states, including Qatar, has backfired. They did

587
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that because they wanted those states to besiege the Americans

588
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to stop. Instead, they just rallied those countries against them.

589
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So I don't Everything has gone well as far as

590
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a military operation can go, I am. I don't know

591
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why people aren't incredibly impressed by the American military and

592
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the Israeli military. So I don't really get what all

593
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,519
the hand ringing is about.

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Speaker 3: You don't. You don't understand and why there might be

595
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skepticism about a regime change war in the Middle East.

596
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You don't.

597
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Speaker 1: I would if we landed troops and invaded the place

598
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and tried to implement it ourselves. But no, I don't see.

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Speaker 3: I saw that the New York Post was amplifying something

600
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Trump said about how maybe there will be troops there now.

601
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I think if you read his comments, he wasn't actually

602
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:22,000
saying that so much. I think the New York Post

603
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is trying to encourage it. You saw the Wall Street

604
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,719
Journal say the worst mistake Trump could do here is

605
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just think, you know, mission accomplished and not engage in

606
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a lengthy regime change.

607
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Speaker 1: War didn't sell lengthy. They said that he has to

608
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,039
finish the job that we started, which is correct.

609
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Speaker 3: There's already pressure there. And then you had his best friend,

610
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,440
Lindsey Graham saying, please join Israel's ground invasion of Lebanon.

611
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So you cannot be you cannot be confused.

612
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Speaker 1: Why you're always exac're you always exaggerate just slightly enough.

613
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He didn't say there's no ground invasion of Lebanon by

614
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his there's a bombing on Hispola, which is an Iranian

615
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,679
proxy which launched missiles at them. Lindsay Graham and Tom

616
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,239
conn are the two people that are constantly brought up

617
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because they're literally like the two full blown neo cons

618
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,880
left in the world, and you know, most Senators didn't

619
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,519
seem they seem pretty level headed about all this, you know, Republicans,

620
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I don't think. I just think there's an exaggeration of

621
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:32,360
the of the of the appetite for any kind of invasion.

622
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Trump says stuff all the time. Obviously there's going to

623
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,400
be maybe some special forces landing to do this or that,

624
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but there's not We don't have the troops for invasion there.

625
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Speaker 2: It's not going to happen.

626
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Speaker 1: I mean, I could be Listen, I shouldn't make any

627
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,199
predictions on foreign policy. You never know where things go.

628
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But so far it seems like an incredibly I mean,

629
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and I.

630
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Speaker 3: Just want to say on this, like my mentioning of

631
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:59,159
Lindsay Graham, who did call for Trump to join Israel's

632
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:04,679
efforts in Lebanon, that I do think that Trump has

633
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,199
given us reason to trust him rather than freak out.

634
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:13,760
Let me say, there's a range here. It's possible that

635
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,960
he's just hubristic about how effective all of his previous

636
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,079
efforts have been and he thinks that, oh well, if

637
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:24,559
we could do this amazing thing in Venezuela with no

638
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:29,239
loss of life for Americans, and you know, obviously there

639
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,719
were quite a few casualties, but no loss of life, right,

640
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,239
Did I get that right?

641
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: I think someone was shot maybe, but did not.

642
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: Definitely people were shot. If you watched the State of

643
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,079
the Union, that helicopter pilot the helicopter after being shot

644
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:45,480
five times in the leg, which I just can't even

645
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,119
fathom how incredible that guy is. But I just don't

646
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:53,239
want to neglect to mention someone if they were. But

647
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,679
he might have gotten hubristic over it and said, oh yeah,

648
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,920
we can also do this with Aron, you know, which

649
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,400
which is maybe a little bit more challenging. People are like,

650
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:08,199
Iran is not Iraq. Iran's also not Venezuela. You know,

651
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,440
these are different countries with radically different situations going on.

652
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:18,519
But having said that, I still think Trump has done

653
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:20,639
a really good job with foreign policy over both of

654
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:24,159
his administrations, And so that also keeps me from completely

655
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:27,119
being like, oh, wow, I didn't realize we elected George W.

656
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:29,199
Speaker 2: Bush here, Oh come on.

657
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: The claim of people don't know what or neo conservatism

658
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,480
is morphed into this word where people attack anyone who

659
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,760
believes that we should act militarily.

660
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: Yes, he's hubristic. He's supuristic about everything.

661
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: But the military has been incredibly effective, I think because

662
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,639
it acts in decisive ways with a target in mind,

663
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,400
with an endgame in mind, and finishes what they have

664
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:52,760
to do.

665
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: The Venezuelan stuff has been great.

666
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,559
Speaker 1: The Iran stuff so far, it's tragic that anyone dies,

667
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:01,559
but when they're by the way. I think Donald Trump

668
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:04,119
said that we're going to lose people. I think he

669
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:05,679
said that in one of the interviews.

670
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 3: So he said it when he announced that he had

671
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,840
launched the war, right.

672
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Speaker 1: And that's going to happen. You're right, Iran is not Iraq.

673
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But also Iran.

674
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Speaker 2: Isn't as dangerous as people make them out to.

675
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Speaker 1: They would be if they were allowed to have nukes

676
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,480
to defend themselves with, and ballistic missile programs at supersonic

677
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missiles from China. I think that's incredibly important to point out.

678
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:30,320
This squeezes China big time.

679
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: They get a.

680
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Speaker 1: Lot of oil from Iran, they get oil from vent

681
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they got oil from Venezuela.

682
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Speaker 2: I just assume that China was such.

683
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Speaker 1: A big part of the discussion before doing this for

684
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the United States. The gi Israel has different goals, regional goals.

685
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And incidentally, the attack in Lebanon is not against the

686
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Lebanese government. It's against the Habela Missia militia, which functions

687
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as a nation state within Lebanon, and the Lebanese government

688
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:00,159
is starting to arrest his bola. I mean, Israel is

689
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actually helping Lebanon. I don't think it would be the end.

690
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:04,360
I don't think they need American help there.

691
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 3: But it's to your point about why now are we

692
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,480
doing this. Iran has never been weaker. Iran has propped

693
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:11,679
up every single one of these things. I mean it's

694
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:15,840
basically Iranian outposts of his bowl a Hamas, all these things.

695
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,280
So I totally get the logic there as well.

696
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: The October someone mentioned this. I think it's correct in

697
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,639
one way. But the October seventh attack was Pearl Harbor

698
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:27,960
in the Middle East. It changed everything. Israel is a limit,

699
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,320
you know, weake in his ballas Syria is. You know,

700
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:32,679
we'll see what happens with that bin Laden guy. But

701
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,639
Syria is out of Asad's hand, Iran is weakened. Even

702
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:41,599
the Hutis aren't shooting firing missiles. Really, the whole Middle

703
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:44,480
East has changed, you know, never know where that goes like,

704
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:48,400
maybe once Iran's not a threat, the tension between Israel

705
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,400
and the urb nations will be inflamed again. You never

706
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,800
know what happens, but it's changed everything.

707
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Speaker 3: It's just a side thing. But I want to say

708
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I am always tremendously impressed with the intel that Israel

709
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has and how effective it is. You know that they

710
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knew where this meeting and who would be at this meeting.

711
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That was the reason for the initial strike, and it

712
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just and then that they knew about this second meeting

713
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and they took out the people who were gathered to

714
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vote on the new Supreme Leader. And it just makes

715
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:24,480
me wonder why they were so bad at understanding what

716
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:27,880
was about to happen on October seven. It's like, how

717
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,519
can you be so good at knowing you know who

718
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,800
the dentist of the Supreme Leader is in Iran, but

719
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,480
not knowing your immediate neighborly threat.

720
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:42,119
Speaker 2: I think there are a couple of reasons for that.

721
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:45,519
Speaker 1: One is they didn't Israel didn't take them seriously enough

722
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:50,320
anymore and didn't have embedded And it's because Hamas is

723
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,800
so low fi that actually hurts. I think intel where

724
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,599
you actually have to get people on the ground. So,

725
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,960
for instance, I read that the Israelis had hacked the

726
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:03,760
camera system on the traffic camera systems into Iran, and

727
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,599
that's how they knew where everyone was driving all the

728
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:08,719
time and where they'd be. It's very difficult to do

729
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:14,280
that and that kind of stuff in Gaza. Also, Iranian

730
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:17,199
spying on the Iranians and others has been It's not

731
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,639
like they started this, you know, a few days ago.

732
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,159
They've been doing this for decades and they're just embedded.

733
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,840
Like do you know what Eli Cohen was in Syria?

734
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,199
He was in the sixties that Israelis had a spy

735
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,239
in Syria almost became like the defense minister of the

736
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,679
country right until he was found out. He was one

737
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:39,000
of the great spies of all time. Probably he worked

738
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,239
his way up. I suspect there are Eli Cohen's in

739
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,079
Iran right now. It just seems like they know everything

740
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:50,920
that's happening, and that if you're a lot live, this.

741
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 3: Could get someone killed. So the next Supreme leader could

742
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:54,480
be an Eli Cohen.

743
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:56,199
Speaker 2: That'd be great.

744
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,679
Speaker 3: I wanted to mention. I saw this tweet from Michael

745
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,880
McFall Russia collusion hoaxer Michael McFall who is at He

746
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,559
works for Condi Rice out at Hoover, I think and

747
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,159
is one of the stupidest people I've ever followed on Twitter.

748
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:18,360
But he was saying that Trump had done a bad

749
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,480
thing with this invasion because he hadn't followed the highly

750
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,000
effective George W. Bush model. I think he might be

751
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:26,920
a Bushy, but I think he also was a Democrat,

752
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,679
Democrat appointed ambassador to Russia or something. He was like,

753
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,480
you know, Bush spent months making the case for WMD,

754
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,440
and he took that case to the American people and

755
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:46,960
the United Nations, and he built together this massive coalition

756
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:51,280
of the willing, and he did a ground invasion and

757
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,599
Trump didn't do any of those things, and that's why

758
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:56,199
Trump's bad. And I was like, Okay, I actually do

759
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,480
agree that a case should have been made, or that

760
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:04,320
it should be made now. But I'm like, I hadn't

761
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,360
felt so great about the operation that Trump had undertook

762
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,159
until I read Michael mcfall's reasoning for why it was

763
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:10,679
a failure.

764
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of the worst.

765
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: I mean, all those pseudo intellectual foreign policy guys are terrible.

766
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,199
And Trump, who does not care about any of that,

767
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:26,000
blew up so many of their norms that it's like.

768
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: At some point we were captured.

769
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,559
Speaker 1: By this idea that we had to go out into

770
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:36,760
the world and explain ourselves to the United Nations to

771
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,280
get a bunch of countries to sign on before we acted,

772
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:42,599
Like whatever you think of Iran, the idea that we

773
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:44,800
have to go to Europe and make sure that the

774
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,159
British are okay with us doing something, and that we

775
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:51,360
need to build coalitions with a bunch of countries, even

776
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,119
if it's the right thing to do, it's crazy, and

777
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:56,320
I think that Trump doesn't care very much about that.

778
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,880
If you want to be on our side, that's great.

779
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,400
If you don't, we're going to act in America's best interest.

780
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,679
The other thing that you mentioned earlier is this notion

781
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,280
that there has to be an imminent threat. And first

782
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,000
of all, imminent is a malleable word. It could mean

783
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:11,039
a lot of things. But why can't we act on

784
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:14,199
our long term interests as well. It's easier to take

785
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:16,719
out Iran today than five years from now when.

786
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:20,159
Speaker 2: They're loaded again. Let's do it. There's no reason not

787
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:20,679
to do it.

788
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:25,679
Speaker 3: Okay, So that does remind me of something I wanted

789
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:27,000
to ask you going back to the war. And I

790
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,119
know we should probably wrap this up here, but you

791
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,079
are a big fan of Article one authority.

792
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,679
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's unconstitutional what we're doing.

793
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 3: Why are you not screaming about it like you scream

794
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,079
about tariffs. Is it because you support the underlying action

795
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:45,840
or what? No?

796
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,199
Speaker 1: I think that it's been decimated. We haven't declared war

797
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,800
since World War two. Moomps are not a declaration of war,

798
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,719
and we used one from two thousand for like ten wars.

799
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,000
I mean, even in Vietnam to some extent Korea. I

800
00:44:57,079 --> 00:45:01,400
mean we're talking about major, long term or military conflicts

801
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,119
that were probably unconstitutional.

802
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:06,599
Speaker 2: Right when it comes to tariffs.

803
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,679
Speaker 1: On the other hand, it's Donald Trump who's creating those

804
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,159
precedents to undermine the Constitution, So there is a difference.

805
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,800
I wish I don't even know if this falls under

806
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,159
the War Powers Act. What he's doing, I don't know.

807
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,480
I think he should have a window because in modern

808
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:29,079
warfare there are legitimate emergencies, not like a trade and

809
00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:31,800
balance or something that you have to act. If you

810
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,480
let the enemy know you're going to act, if you're

811
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,280
making the case publicly, can undermine and hurt and kill

812
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:41,639
American citizens. Yeah, I would prefer very much that they

813
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,559
go to Congress. I think that's the right thing to do.

814
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:46,440
I think was wrong when they didn't do it for Libya.

815
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,559
I'm consistently held that position since Truman, probably since Jefferson.

816
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:55,440
American presidents have essentially most of the time, unless it

817
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,559
was very easy for them, like you know, World War

818
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:05,280
two or something ignored constitutional need for Congress to approve warfare.

819
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,599
Speaker 3: That does remind me. I thought it was interesting the

820
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:12,760
kerfuffle about Marco Rubio coming out and explaining why the

821
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,599
action was taken at the time it was taken and

822
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,840
Congress does. I mean, there is an effort within the

823
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,079
administration to show that what they did was lawful, right,

824
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:26,920
and so you have to have like a reason for

825
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,559
why you were doing it or why you were doing

826
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:33,760
it now. And Marco Rubio said someone was going to

827
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:39,400
attack Iran, and when that happened, there would be retaliatory,

828
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:44,119
retaliatory strikes against US interests in the region. Basically because

829
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:46,599
of our involvement in the region, we have outposts in

830
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,039
most countries there, and that Iran would strike those and

831
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:56,400
so we decided to take action preemptively to constrain Iran's

832
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:02,559
ability to kill Americans. It was seemed like a very legal,

833
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:05,840
like a good legal argument for why we were taking action.

834
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,039
And everyone kind of freaked out because he was saying

835
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:13,400
Israel was about to strike Iran and that's why we

836
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,199
did it, and they were seeing this as like a

837
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:22,079
claim that Israel had forced our hand. Then BB Netanyahu, well,

838
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:24,599
then Mike Johnson says the same thing, and then BB

839
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,440
Netanyaho goes on Sean Hannity that night and he says,

840
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:30,800
I have been trying to convince presidents for forty years

841
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:36,039
to join our efforts against Iran, and only Trump, you know,

842
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,199
was able to be convinced, and that's why he's the

843
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:41,400
greatest wartime president and blah blah blah. So it's kind

844
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,599
of an interesting interview. I even watched both JD Vance

845
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,760
and BB Netanyahu on television, which I rarely do, just

846
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,719
to see what they were having to say about it.

847
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,400
But I assume, given what I know about you, that

848
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,119
you don't have a problem with what was said, and

849
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:04,719
that this is just them explaining the legal case for

850
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,320
why now, plus the realities of the situation, which is

851
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,960
that Israel is our great ally and They're in a

852
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,920
much greater conflict here. But then Trump came out the

853
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,760
next day and he was like, no, I'm the one

854
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,559
who forced Israel into war, which is a very Trumpian

855
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,599
thing to say. But also then you go back to

856
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:26,280
the beginning of why did we do this? Now? You know,

857
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,320
like there's been unclear messaging about it. All.

858
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: The kerfuffle around Marco Rubio was that a lot of

859
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,079
people went online and lied about what he said, took

860
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:41,320
a snippet of what he said, missed the later explanation,

861
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:46,360
which was very clear that the US was going to

862
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,519
do this anyway. The idea, first of all, that Donald

863
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:53,800
Trump can be coerced or something into fighting war. It

864
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,760
reminds me of the Russia collusion hoax. It's the idea

865
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,480
that Donald Trump doesn't make decisions, that he is under

866
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:04,079
the spell of other people. Last summer, there were planes

867
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,079
in the air Israeli IDF planes or air force planes.

868
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:11,960
We're going to bomb Iran, and Trump literally tweeted out

869
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,360
Benjamin Netta, now, who bring back those planes, and.

870
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,519
Speaker 2: That he did.

871
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:17,079
Speaker 3: Yeah.

872
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: But more than that, further reporting shows that it was

873
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,480
Israel that saw that all these high level Iranian officials

874
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:31,599
were going to be meeting. They went to Donald Trump

875
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:34,039
without or the United States, and the United States said

876
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:36,760
let's do it now. It was going to be done

877
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,239
sooner or later. I believe under Trump he's been, like

878
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,320
we said, talking about this forever and the idea and

879
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:48,280
Israel and the United States worked together because their allies

880
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,480
in the Middle East. The idea that we're doing this

881
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:55,440
just for Israel or something is ridiculous.

882
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous.

883
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: We're not allowed to have allies anymore. Like everyone reads

884
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:06,079
every into this cooperation as some kind of conspiracy. To

885
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:11,440
Benjamin ETTANYAHUO, just like Churchill right in World War Two,

886
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,119
is allowed to go to the President of the United

887
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:15,960
States and make the case for why we should help

888
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,400
an ally in certain ways, I don't understand what the

889
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,000
big conspiracy here is.

890
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 3: I actually didn't understand what the big conspiracy was either.

891
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:27,599
I do highly encourage people to listen or read Marco

892
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:32,960
Rubio's entire statement to the press, because I think I think,

893
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,519
first of all, it was a great statement, and I

894
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:36,760
think he did a very good job, except for the

895
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,559
part that his reasoning for why we were doing this

896
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:42,480
against Iran. I mean, you're getting like twelve different reasons,

897
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:46,760
and the messaging truly could not be worse. But he

898
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,559
comes out and he says, Okay, the reason why we

899
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:54,400
did this is we want to harm their ballistic missile

900
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,360
capabilities and their naval assets. The reason why we did

901
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,760
this now is because Israel was about to strike them,

902
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:05,760
and we knew that if they struck them that there

903
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,079
would be retaliatory retaliatory action against the US. So that's

904
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:13,800
why we did it now. But he says multiple times,

905
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,320
we knew that Israel was going to act, and so

906
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,679
we knew that that was going to get Americans killed,

907
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:23,400
and that's why we joined them when they set the timeline. Now, ye,

908
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:27,039
people hear that and they're like, this is horrible. Well,

909
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:29,800
I kind of get the argument that we should be

910
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,639
setting the timeline and not our weaker ally Israel, But

911
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,559
I think it's over reading the situation because what does

912
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:41,000
he begin with, We're already going to do it, right,

913
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:46,320
And then someone specifically asks about like sounds like there

914
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,239
wasn't an imminent threat, and this is his weakest answer.

915
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,440
I think he's like, well, there was because Israel was

916
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,239
about to attack them, and when that happened, that would

917
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,719
make it an imminent threat. But then they're like, are

918
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,360
you saying that you were forced to do this because Israel?

919
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,960
And he's like, no, you know, number one, this action

920
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,719
had to happen, and it needed to happen within the

921
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,159
next year and a half because of where they were,

922
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:18,320
where they were headed with their nuclear program, right, And

923
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:24,440
then also, yeah, yes it happened now because of what

924
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:27,679
Israel was about to do. It's you know, he specifically said,

925
00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:30,599
it's like no, but then yes. So there was a

926
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:34,760
bit of muddling on that. But I think it's okay

927
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,559
to just be honest about the situation, meaning I mean

928
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:40,639
I It has been reported that I that I was

929
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:45,320
in a meeting with BB a few months ago and

930
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:50,840
asked about this issue, whether he was trying to get

931
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,239
the US involved in a war, and it has been

932
00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:03,920
reported that he said that Iran was a threat to

933
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,559
the US. There was some discussion about that whether that

934
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,280
is an accurate representation of whether the imminent threat was

935
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,840
to the US or Israel. But I see no problem

936
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,199
with just being honest. None of this is like cut

937
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,360
and dry. It's not like Iran is on our border,

938
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:26,039
but we do have interests throughout the region that can

939
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:28,719
be debated whether that's working out well for people or not.

940
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:33,119
I think the vast majority of Americans support how we

941
00:53:33,159 --> 00:53:36,079
are engaged in the region. I could be wrong, So

942
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,840
I don't see why it's got to be like I

943
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,360
think it's only fraught because there are anti Semitic elements

944
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,519
on left and right who try to make it fraught.

945
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:45,360
Does that make sense.

946
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, they want to blame the Jews for why we're

947
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:49,480
at war, which is fine, they can do it, but

948
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,639
they don't either. Most of those arguments are gibberish, but

949
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,760
many of them are by people don't understand the dynamic

950
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,199
between the country or the Middle East at all. The

951
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:01,679
very idea Israel doesn't do anything without per I mean

952
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,280
big without permission in essence from the United States. If

953
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,320
Donald Trump told them, no, you're not doing it that day,

954
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,400
they wouldn't do it that day. It's just not dictating

955
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:12,800
terms in the law.

956
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:18,159
Speaker 3: And you can't imagine, for taking Marco Rubio at his word,

957
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,000
that that action was going to take place regardless of

958
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:22,159
what we said about it.

959
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: I think that talking point is ce ya right. I

960
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,639
think that they keep saying imminent threat, which can mean

961
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,559
many many things, and they.

962
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 2: Came up with a reason.

963
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: To, you know, to backfill that claim, because that's what

964
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,519
Americans want to hear, that there was a threat and

965
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:43,440
you went to war because there was an imminent threat.

966
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,559
Speaker 3: But he was as you know, legally and ethically, you

967
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:48,119
you do have to make a case for why you're

968
00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:51,119
engaging in war. Just war theory, which we have followed

969
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:54,519
for a long period of time, has influenced our military actions,

970
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,239
does lay out certain principles for whether and when to

971
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,760
go to war, and it's good that we follow those

972
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,000
instead of just being like might is right and we

973
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,559
can do whatever we want. If we want to kill

974
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:06,679
a bunch of kids, that's okay.

975
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,199
Speaker 2: Like you want your really kill a bunch of kids,

976
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:09,679
we don't know.

977
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:13,159
Speaker 3: Saying we did. I'm saying you don't want people who

978
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,159
act that way. You want people who do try to

979
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,440
be limited or to do try to only hit military

980
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,960
objectives like those are good things that make make your

981
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,400
action justified.

982
00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: Right sometimes, but oh, you need to also have a clarity.

983
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,519
Speaker 1: Why can't be moral relatives. We are the good guys

984
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:33,639
in this and it is a just war, but there's

985
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:37,159
also a line of immunity, and I think Marco Rubio

986
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:41,039
mentioned that, and that line of immunity creates a situation

987
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,599
where a future war that will definitely happen will be

988
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,480
far there will be far more loss of life. So

989
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:50,920
that's also an imminent threat. The line where Iran gets

990
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,079
their ballistic missiles or their supersonic missiles from China. Now

991
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:58,079
is that easy to explain to the American people. No,

992
00:55:58,199 --> 00:55:59,960
it is difficult, But you're right. I just want to

993
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:03,559
stress this. Ribio said the Israelis were going to act,

994
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:05,559
which now we know they were going to act because

995
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:08,719
all the leadership was in one place. But then he

996
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:13,960
was Someone explicitly asked him, that's the why. Someone asked him.

997
00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:18,440
What in that same presser that everyone ignored who said

998
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,280
that Israel dragged list into war? Was this was the

999
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:26,599
US forced to strike because of impending action. No, no

1000
00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:30,400
matter what, ultimately this operation needed to happen. That's the

1001
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,800
other question is the question of why now?

1002
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 2: But this?

1003
00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:37,039
Speaker 1: Then he goes on and on and lists the usual reasons,

1004
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:41,960
the line of immunity, the the way you run acts,

1005
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:47,280
the fact that why does why won't any peace? Nick say, hey, Iran,

1006
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:50,280
accept this deal that doesn't let you have nukes if

1007
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,199
you don't want nukes anyway. You know why Ben Rhoades

1008
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,400
doesn't say that, and the isolationists on the right don't

1009
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,719
say that because they don't care or want Iran to

1010
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,960
have nukes. That's the real endgame here. And most of

1011
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,320
the people who were like Israel dragged us into the war,

1012
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,639
would not support military action against Iran if they had

1013
00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:09,840
a nuke, if they.

1014
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,039
Speaker 2: Were Chinese outposts. They just don't care.

1015
00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 3: I just want to point out that there can be

1016
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:20,199
arguments for why it would be. Why all the arguments

1017
00:57:20,199 --> 00:57:22,599
for why it would be sort of just something you

1018
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:27,480
have to let Iran do are not You should let

1019
00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:30,320
people make those arguments. You know, you and I might

1020
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:35,039
not agree, but it's not necessarily like without merit. I

1021
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,360
mentioned that what argument I mentioned the Charles Crowdhammer thing

1022
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,519
that it might just be easier to let everyone get nukes.

1023
00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:43,159
Speaker 1: At this point, it seems hard for me to believe

1024
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:46,039
Charles Crowdhammer wanted Iran to have nukes, But you're right,

1025
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:47,960
but it was.

1026
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:50,719
Speaker 3: He was kind of talking about the cost associated with

1027
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,679
preventing people from getting nukes is just it just gets

1028
00:57:54,719 --> 00:57:59,320
like higher every year, and that it I'm just saying

1029
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:00,320
there's an argument.

1030
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,519
Speaker 1: Can I just say on that point, though, who wants

1031
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:05,599
nukes right now? Are there than any Iran who shouldn't

1032
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:07,320
have them? Probably no one.

1033
00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:09,239
Speaker 3: Yesterday.

1034
00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:11,599
Speaker 2: I'm fine with Poland having.

1035
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,199
Speaker 3: Dukes, wants nukes. It's just a very unrealistic thing for

1036
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:15,880
most of them.

1037
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,159
Speaker 2: Right, It's not as easy as people think. But if Iran.

1038
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: Gets nuke the nukes, the entire Sunni world will immediately

1039
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:26,119
get new who want to.

1040
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: Get nukes and probably get nukes.

1041
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,719
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, all the Gulf nations, Egypt, do we want that.

1042
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,320
I don't want that. I don't know what Charles Kronheimer wants.

1043
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,039
I don't want that because you look at what happened

1044
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:37,960
in Pakistan the other day.

1045
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,079
Speaker 2: I know we're on this so long, but the bunch.

1046
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:44,599
Speaker 1: Of crazy people rush the embassy, the American embassy there.

1047
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:47,320
We saw what happened in Iran in seventy nine. That

1048
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,280
almost happened in Pakistan actually around the same time. I

1049
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,239
believe it could happen. You don't want countries like Pakistan

1050
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,039
or that have nukes to fall into the hands of Islamists.

1051
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,079
So I'm against Islamic nations having nukes. We can to

1052
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:02,760
prevent it. I'm not saying we need to go to

1053
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,000
war all the time, but it's good to stop them.

1054
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,199
Speaker 2: Okay, No, I was.

1055
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:10,079
Speaker 3: Going to say, I'm curious what you think the effect

1056
00:59:10,159 --> 00:59:14,599
will be on the Republican Party. You say that, I

1057
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:17,880
think you were saying that Republicans support Trump here, and

1058
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:24,119
that is true in friendly and unfriendly polls. It does

1059
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:27,320
show that Republicans are, of course, much more likely to

1060
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,639
support Trump's action than either Democrats or independence. Independents are

1061
00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:35,800
much closer to Democrats on this issue than on probably

1062
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,079
any other issue in that they strongly disapprove of it.

1063
00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:43,159
So heading into elections where you're trying to get your

1064
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:45,639
base to come out and vote and then also appeal

1065
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,880
to independence, what do you think the effect of this

1066
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,400
will be or do you think it'll be Do you

1067
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,599
think it'll be done so quickly that it'll be a

1068
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:56,840
forgotten memory or what.

1069
00:59:58,519 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: I think?

1070
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,639
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to have much affected all

1071
01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:05,000
either way. Yesterday I looked at a poll that or

1072
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:08,920
two polls that showed what Americans are most concerned about

1073
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:14,480
in foreign policies very low. Now, if tomorrow something terrible happens,

1074
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:19,159
like a ballistic missile hits a base, and kills thirty Americans.

1075
01:00:19,159 --> 01:00:22,679
I think that can change a lot of.

1076
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:25,719
Speaker 2: The reaction to this, in my view is the.

1077
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:30,079
Speaker 1: Reaction, for instance, amongst Democrats, will be that they don't

1078
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:32,039
like Trump. So one of the polls I saw, maybe

1079
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:34,440
it was Politico, ask like do you trust do you

1080
01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:38,039
trust Donald Trump to do the right thing with Iran?

1081
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:40,360
And a lot of people were pointing out that the poll,

1082
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:42,639
this poll showed that everyone was against Iran, but it

1083
01:00:42,679 --> 01:00:44,920
was tied to Donald Trump, which is how a lot

1084
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,599
of these things work. I think it will have very

1085
01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:51,400
little effect in the end on the midterms, unless some

1086
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:53,679
unforeseen big thing happens.

1087
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: Why what do you think?

1088
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,719
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think actually probably agree with you

1089
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:04,440
on this that if if this wraps up quickly, it

1090
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,920
will have less of an effect. I know politically over

1091
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:14,320
longer terms, wars tend to become toxic for the party

1092
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:20,639
that is perceived as engaging in them. And I think

1093
01:01:20,679 --> 01:01:23,320
a big part of Trump's appeal had been that he

1094
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,039
claimed that he would not start a war, that he

1095
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:36,079
opposes big war, that he was wanting to end wars.

1096
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:38,559
And I did see some people say like, no, Trump

1097
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:42,039
didn't launch a war, He's ending a war. That will

1098
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:45,800
be a complicated message for a not friendly audience. I

1099
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,519
think that works very well with people who are already

1100
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:50,280
aligned or who are already are.

1101
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 2: Very far on me.

1102
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:54,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, people are very focused on Iran. I think

1103
01:01:54,679 --> 01:01:57,800
that that does work. I'll just further say that although

1104
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,039
I think that the Republican Party has not really given

1105
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,599
voters enough reason to vote for them, or I heard

1106
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:08,480
Kristin Sualtis Anderson say people don't vote to say thank you.

1107
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:12,840
They vote because they're angry, and that is very true.

1108
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,599
And even like with the good things that are being

1109
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:20,079
done by the Trump administration, I don't think people will

1110
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:25,440
turn out to say good job. I do also worry

1111
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:30,320
about even even just like I think the best case

1112
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,440
scenario and I don't see this as being like huge,

1113
01:02:33,679 --> 01:02:37,159
a huge percentage of probability, but the best case scenario

1114
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:39,639
would be that we are in and fully out within

1115
01:02:39,679 --> 01:02:46,320
a month. Right even that, what did Trump called it

1116
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,599
a digression or something into Iran? Or he had some

1117
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:52,239
kind of word about, Yeah, we care about this country,

1118
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:56,599
but we're doing this digression into our diversion into Iran.

1119
01:02:57,039 --> 01:03:02,719
It is a diversion against the domestic policy agenda. And

1120
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:08,400
I think that if he can return to a focus there,

1121
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:17,239
that would be very good for political reasons. And I

1122
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,559
think a lot of Americans perceive a far higher day

1123
01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:24,519
to day threat from the radical left than they do Iran,

1124
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,280
even understanding that both are threats, and they have seen

1125
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:34,000
very little, maybe nothing done to keep that threat that

1126
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,880
they deal with day to day. You know, government schools

1127
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:43,400
trying to trans their children, or people killing people or

1128
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:45,840
going after them in a very hostile fashion for any

1129
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,400
public expression of non left wing beliefs, that type of stuff.

1130
01:03:49,719 --> 01:03:54,000
You know, Charlie Kirk was assassinated in September, and they're

1131
01:03:54,039 --> 01:03:59,320
prosecuting the individual who allegedly shot him, but not really

1132
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,760
doing anything about the larger Antifa or radical trans movements.

1133
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:08,280
You're not seeing Antifa, which engages in such horrible action,

1134
01:04:09,079 --> 01:04:13,480
hurting cities from Portland to Minneapolis and otherwise, and trying

1135
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,000
to stop that domestic policy agenda. You're not seeing them

1136
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:19,519
being like rounded up and dealt with, really, And so

1137
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:25,119
I think Americans are much more tolerant of the foreign

1138
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:28,320
policy adventurism if they're getting what they need at home.

1139
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,840
And so I would encourage Trump if this is his

1140
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,760
signature thing, his legacy that he wants to have of

1141
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,679
this war in the Middle East, that he would not

1142
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:42,119
do it at the expense of his domestic policy agenda.

1143
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, people should prepare themselves, obviously for Republicans to lose

1144
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,360
in the midterm, because that's the norm. If this goes

1145
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,400
on too long and it seems like he's diverted all

1146
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,280
his attention from domestic issues, it doesn't help. Though in

1147
01:04:55,320 --> 01:05:07,039
the past, competent, winning military operations don't seem to hurt

1148
01:05:07,079 --> 01:05:12,920
presidents very much at all. And with as far as

1149
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,280
the things that you just listed, some of them are

1150
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,480
very difficult to annount.

1151
01:05:17,679 --> 01:05:18,119
Speaker 2: You have to I.

1152
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: Think more important I'm not sure if you mentioned it,

1153
01:05:22,519 --> 01:05:27,559
but the the border stuff, right, so he I think

1154
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:28,840
there were missteps with Ice.

1155
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 2: Again.

1156
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into who was a fault

1157
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,559
with the shootings of the Minnesota, but in the perception

1158
01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:38,559
of the many Americans that was kind of there's a

1159
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:41,639
lot of anarchy there, you know, initially, and it should

1160
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:44,320
have been handled better, probably by the president, and I

1161
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,840
think he pulled out of there, and now it seems

1162
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,559
like he's not doing as much as he should be.

1163
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,000
He should be stressing.

1164
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to say he's doing a ton in

1165
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,320
Louisiana right now. They have been in New Orleans, grounding

1166
01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:01,239
people up. Republican states do not go to war with

1167
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,840
the federal government on border enforcement, and so you don't

1168
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:06,840
hear anything about it. So like if it's in Tennessee

1169
01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:11,239
or if it's in Texas or Louisiana, nobody you know,

1170
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,920
the government is actually helping federal agents with that law

1171
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,920
enforcement strategy. If you're in Minnesota, where Antifa is headquartered,

1172
01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:23,119
or Portland where Antifa is headquartered, that's where you're having

1173
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:26,760
trouble with rule of law because they're going to war.

1174
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:28,119
Speaker 2: No, I agree.

1175
01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:31,079
Speaker 1: I was going to say he should be stressing the

1176
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:37,039
successes he's having in states where this cooperation. I've always

1177
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:40,719
believed that the border issue is far bigger than Poles

1178
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,360
even reflect But we'll say.

1179
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 3: Polls showed that people cared a great deal about the

1180
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:49,280
border during the Biden administration. Once Trump effectively closed the

1181
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,320
border and started this deportation action, people are like, oh,

1182
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,480
it's going well, and so they rate it as much

1183
01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:58,840
lower importance because it's not a day to day problem for.

1184
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,559
Speaker 1: Them, you know, just a broader look at what's going

1185
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:05,440
on with Trump. I just don't think there's ever going

1186
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:09,000
to be a very popular president again with all American people.

1187
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:13,599
We're just two partisan right now, and so American voters

1188
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:16,719
blame the person in charge for all the bad things

1189
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,719
that are happening, but very rarely go out of their way,

1190
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,199
like you said, to give them credit for the good things.

1191
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:22,719
Speaker 2: That are happening.

1192
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:26,239
Speaker 1: And they have short memories, so you know, under Biden,

1193
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,360
inflation was crazy.

1194
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:28,639
Speaker 2: It's tempered a bit.

1195
01:07:29,239 --> 01:07:33,559
Speaker 1: That's a huge win, but it's voters kind of moved

1196
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:35,599
past that. They're just living in their moment and things

1197
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:37,639
still aren't great economically for many of them.

1198
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Speaker 2: So I think he has a hard hearts.

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01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a hard case, a difficult case to make,

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01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,039
but you're right.

1201
01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 2: I mean, if this goes.

1202
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: On and on and he's not talking about affordability or

1203
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,760
whatever people want to hear, that's tough.

1204
01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:55,159
Speaker 3: I just want to say one. I know. I actually

1205
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:58,000
always thought even if he'd won in twenty twenty, it

1206
01:07:58,039 --> 01:08:00,920
would have been a better second term than a first term,

1207
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,119
just because, like usually in your first term, you start

1208
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:05,960
with your army of people who are great and then

1209
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:07,880
they all kind of like go away to get higher

1210
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,920
paying jobs, and then by the second term you're just

1211
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,880
dealing with the dregs. It was totally opposite for Trump.

1212
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,440
He came in with no army. He tried to do

1213
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,600
that thing where he was playing along with the Republican

1214
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:20,520
establishment and put a lot of them in and there

1215
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,880
was all sorts of resistance in each and every agency,

1216
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,520
and it was kind of a disaster. And by the

1217
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,760
second term I knew he would have much better people

1218
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,680
in play. But it's even better after four years with

1219
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,960
the competence. And I just want to I know we

1220
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,319
need to move on from the war thing, but I

1221
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:40,720
just want to say one positive thing about this, one

1222
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,800
more positive thing about the war effort, which is I

1223
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:49,000
think changing the Department of Defense into the Department of

1224
01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:52,600
War is not just a name change, it's a mindset

1225
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:57,840
change of Rather than focusing on how to best help

1226
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:02,920
men in dresses advance to a higher position, it's about like,

1227
01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:06,239
how do we achieve our aims and effectively meet those

1228
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:08,560
aims and do it with the least loss of life.

1229
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,479
But with warriors, you know, from thinking of it as

1230
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:18,560
a big hr commune into a war fighting enterprise and

1231
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:23,079
the effectiveness of the military actions that we have undertaken

1232
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:29,680
in the last year is just really inspiring and admirable.

1233
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,800
From the operation in Venezuela to the most recent operation

1234
01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:38,439
in Iran. We have lost lives. It is very bad.

1235
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,840
I don't think the American people have an appetite for

1236
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,600
a very long duration of lost lives and all that.

1237
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:49,079
But they understand that war fighting does come at great sacrifice,

1238
01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:53,079
and they're seeing some really impressive images of the effectiveness

1239
01:09:53,119 --> 01:09:55,520
of our strikes. You know. The I don't know if

1240
01:09:55,560 --> 01:10:00,319
you saw this morning, haigsets showed the sink king of

1241
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:04,000
a submarine, the thinking by a submarine of a vessel,

1242
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,399
the Iranian vessel, and it was the first time that's happened

1243
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,079
since World War Two.

1244
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 2: Yep.

1245
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,359
Speaker 3: I mean when people see that, it gives them confidence

1246
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:16,079
in what's being done. So I just wanted to kind

1247
01:10:16,119 --> 01:10:16,960
of end with that.

1248
01:10:17,039 --> 01:10:19,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, just a sports analogy, sometimes you'll

1249
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,079
see a team in their body language is just not right.

1250
01:10:22,199 --> 01:10:25,680
They don't have that hubris, you know, they don't think

1251
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,479
they can win basically, and Trump has changed that around

1252
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,680
with our military. The body language is right. Hey, do

1253
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,520
you want to talk about what do you think happened?

1254
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,039
And what are your thoughts on what happened in Texas yesterday?

1255
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 2: Do you think, yeah, yeah, I thought.

1256
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 3: I mean I don't follow Texas politics as closely as

1257
01:10:44,079 --> 01:10:49,319
I should. The Senate Majority Fund or whatever it's called,

1258
01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:52,960
spent a lot of money so that John Cornyn would

1259
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,039
not have to face a runoff against Ken Paxton, and

1260
01:10:57,279 --> 01:11:00,159
it didn't work. I mean, it's a lot of money expend.

1261
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:03,039
They're going to spend a lot more money now, and

1262
01:11:03,239 --> 01:11:08,239
seems the people of Texas wish that they had. They

1263
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:11,399
seemed dissatisfied. I have no idea what's going to happen

1264
01:11:11,399 --> 01:11:15,960
in that primary, And in fact, I would say Cornyn

1265
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,000
has the strong, strong, strong advantage of not just incumbency,

1266
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:23,119
but all the money and everything. But there's a growing

1267
01:11:23,159 --> 01:11:26,800
frustration with Republicans. They understand that if you're in a

1268
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:31,079
state like Maine that does not elect Republicans for any

1269
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:34,560
reason at any time, that a Republican like Susan Collins

1270
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,800
is allowed to be as moderate and squishy as she is.

1271
01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:42,279
They get frustrated when they see in you know, much

1272
01:11:42,399 --> 01:11:46,560
redder states a week leadership like from a Ray Lankford

1273
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:52,079
in Oklahoma or a John Cornyn, who is what did

1274
01:11:52,119 --> 01:11:53,760
he say. I mean, I saw an interview this week

1275
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,079
where he's like, one of the reasons I want to

1276
01:11:55,079 --> 01:11:57,520
get elected is I think Donald Trump will be the

1277
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:03,479
person to fix immigration with a big amnesty program, and

1278
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:04,880
I want to help him do that. And it's like,

1279
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,760
I don't think that's the appetite in the Republican Party

1280
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:08,359
in Texas.

1281
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:09,199
Speaker 2: How was the beast?

1282
01:12:09,279 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 1: I ask you, like what I get that his demeanor

1283
01:12:13,159 --> 01:12:15,680
is more moderate and all that, but has he opposed

1284
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,000
Donald Trump in any of his big endeavors. I mean,

1285
01:12:18,079 --> 01:12:20,399
he seems to be pretty much on board with most things.

1286
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 2: Now.

1287
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 3: I don't think it's I don't know enough. Like I said,

1288
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,760
I don't follow Texas. I think the issue is more

1289
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,920
about the leadership he is showing as the senator from Texas.

1290
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:37,039
Is he what the Republican Party of Texas would like

1291
01:12:37,079 --> 01:12:39,119
to see in their leadership. That's the question that he'll

1292
01:12:39,119 --> 01:12:41,479
have to answer. It's already why he has a runoff.

1293
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:44,760
I assume he'll probably do fine in the runoff, but

1294
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,439
there are a lot of people who are dissatisfied with

1295
01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:50,560
him as a senator from Texas. And I don't think

1296
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,560
that's something that just happened during the Trump administration, but

1297
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,439
something going back. But I'm more interested in Dan Crenshaw

1298
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:02,039
losing his primary, and I am. I mean, that guy's

1299
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:07,520
not surprised, and the guy who is replacing him has

1300
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,920
a lot of support from across the spectrum. Steve Toth. Toth,

1301
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,600
I don't know how to say his name, but he

1302
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,800
is really liked by a lot of Republicans. And Dan

1303
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,199
Crenshaw had just a string of weird stories about how

1304
01:13:21,239 --> 01:13:25,680
aggressive and abusive he was toward other people. And he

1305
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,079
was very much in that mold of like a Bush

1306
01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:32,800
era Republican and I think those two things in combination

1307
01:13:33,359 --> 01:13:34,960
hurt him in his primary.

1308
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: I would ask you this, do you think Paxton would

1309
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,800
have a tougher time in a general in Quarin?

1310
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 3: I mean, for a number of reasons, Quarnin's been the

1311
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:52,720
incumbent for many years. Paxton would face greater opposition from

1312
01:13:53,239 --> 01:13:56,720
Republicans in power. You know, he wouldn't get support should

1313
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:00,279
he win this primary. He would probably be opposed by

1314
01:14:00,359 --> 01:14:05,600
the Republican establishment for dethroning one of their buddies. And

1315
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:10,439
then also he is you know, it just stands to

1316
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,000
reason like this is sort of the attitude of the

1317
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,880
Republican Party. If we can get the squishiest person we

1318
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,960
can to win the nomination, will do better in the general.

1319
01:14:19,279 --> 01:14:22,920
Sometimes that's true. Sometimes you actually have to work to

1320
01:14:23,079 --> 01:14:29,439
get the most based person in, even if it makes

1321
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,039
it a little more challenging in the general. But that's

1322
01:14:32,079 --> 01:14:34,479
for each state to decide how they want to handle it.

1323
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,319
Speaker 1: Well, my point is, I don't buy that Texas will

1324
01:14:37,319 --> 01:14:39,880
be lost, but it seems to me that that would

1325
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,399
be a massive disaster for the Republican Party. I mean,

1326
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,600
it would be an earthquake for them to lose that state.

1327
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,119
I'm sorry, And you were going to talk about the

1328
01:14:47,159 --> 01:14:52,760
other race with that insufferable, sanctimonious, smug dude who won

1329
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:53,520
what's his name?

1330
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say the Democrats. I always feel like

1331
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:00,720
each party benefits from the opposing parties idiots, and it

1332
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:05,159
works back and forth like constantly. But I know the

1333
01:15:05,279 --> 01:15:11,119
media and all the other Democrats love James Tallerico.

1334
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 2: Tis That man has the.

1335
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:18,319
Speaker 3: Most punishable persona I have ever seen in a politician,

1336
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,000
and it makes me judgy, not just about him, but

1337
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:27,119
anyone who is persuaded by him. It's so obnoxious. Do

1338
01:15:27,159 --> 01:15:27,640
you like him?

1339
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,600
Speaker 1: James to oh, my god, he's worse than Beto or Rourke.

1340
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,640
I think I can't. He just rubs me the wrong way.

1341
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,760
I can't believe people in Texas would fall for that.

1342
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:42,079
I love how it's okay, incidentally, for a Democrat to

1343
01:15:42,279 --> 01:15:48,359
just basically appropriate Christianity as the central theme of his campaign.

1344
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,520
And in my view, I'm not a Christian, so I'm

1345
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,319
not going to speak for Christians, but in my view,

1346
01:15:52,359 --> 01:15:57,319
misrepresenting that faith in a pretty serious way generally. But

1347
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,039
when a Republican mentions Jesus, everyone has a meltdown, you

1348
01:16:01,079 --> 01:16:03,920
know what I mean, And they just celebrate this guy.

1349
01:16:04,039 --> 01:16:07,680
So there's just such frauds. I just can't see him winning.

1350
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,319
I don't care who's running on the Republican side, but

1351
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:14,319
Republicans can lose Texas.

1352
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 2: It's serious.

1353
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 3: The Republicans were trying to get Jasmine Crockett to win

1354
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,439
the primary against Tall Rico. I don't know how bad

1355
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,800
she lost. I was not paying attention to her until

1356
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,720
fairly recently. I believe I could be wrong, but I

1357
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,039
believe she attacked me as a racist when I was

1358
01:16:35,079 --> 01:16:43,359
testifying in Congress once, and it was so cartoonish and ridiculous,

1359
01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:45,359
and by the way she took up her whole time,

1360
01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:48,039
so that she just said that for five minutes that

1361
01:16:48,079 --> 01:16:53,199
I couldn't respond, and then quite nicely someone else later,

1362
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,920
a later questioner was like, did you want to respond

1363
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:57,439
to that? And I was like, oh, I do, thank you.

1364
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,920
But I learned she was kind of a child of

1365
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:06,359
elite privilege. Who does this cause playing as a like

1366
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,279
ghetto girl and she's not. She's like, went to a

1367
01:17:09,399 --> 01:17:12,479
very fancy school in Saint Louis. It's all in act.

1368
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,960
And I know all politicians are like that. They're they're

1369
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,640
doing their aw shucks or whatever her thing is.

1370
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 2: But this will get me, probably get me in trouble.

1371
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:22,720
But isn't it.

1372
01:17:24,039 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: I hate you day, it's not racist, But isn't it

1373
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:30,840
demeaning that you feel like to represent African Americans you

1374
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,600
have to act like you're from the street, Like there

1375
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:38,680
are no educated or you know, well spoken black Americans.

1376
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:40,720
I just feel like it's a it's a caricature, like

1377
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,479
you say, it's just a cartoon of what she thinks

1378
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,560
a black person is supposed to sound like. Now, I

1379
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,960
know people say like, it's not my place to say

1380
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:50,359
this to black people, but I mean, if someone was

1381
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,199
like out out there being a Nebbish representing Jewish people

1382
01:17:53,239 --> 01:17:55,680
by being like schecky Green or something. I'd be like,

1383
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:56,720
that's pretty offensive.

1384
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:57,199
Speaker 2: You know.

1385
01:17:58,319 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 3: The media, we're really looking her up until they sided

1386
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,079
with James tall Rico in this primary battle and they

1387
01:18:06,079 --> 01:18:07,319
decided he would be a saver.

1388
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,239
Speaker 2: Why do you think because he'll win. Because they think

1389
01:18:09,239 --> 01:18:10,279
he'll he has a chance to win.

1390
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Republicans also thought he was the

1391
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:17,000
bigger threat. I actually am not sure. I'm talking about

1392
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,479
a woman who personally attacked me. I think I would

1393
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,640
rather vote for her than James tall Rico. He is

1394
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,800
that obnoxious. But there's something like I think, I mean,

1395
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,720
since since I'm being offensive here, I think there's something

1396
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:34,159
very effeminate about Democrat men, Like literally they have lower testosterone.

1397
01:18:34,199 --> 01:18:36,920
And then also they have fewer men in their party

1398
01:18:37,399 --> 01:18:42,279
and they're the great womanification of the Democrat Party has

1399
01:18:42,319 --> 01:18:45,479
made it so they do want either gay men or

1400
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,840
men who kind of present as gay or as as

1401
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:55,199
no threat to women. They don't. I think they do

1402
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:59,000
genuinely like tall Rico more, or maybe they're just racist

1403
01:18:59,039 --> 01:19:00,399
and sexist. I don't know.

1404
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,359
Speaker 2: Well, he says God is pro abortion.

1405
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,039
Speaker 1: He says God is non binary, which I guess, in

1406
01:19:06,119 --> 01:19:09,600
some weird way might be God is not actually before

1407
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:15,800
but yeah, okay, not true. But a stupid the father, yeah,

1408
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:21,439
the father, he capitalized. Just a just a nut job.

1409
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:25,880
Also a socialist, like just idiotic zero sum economic ideas.

1410
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,800
No different than Bernie Sanders. It just doesn't seem like

1411
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,960
Texas is the place for that. But we shall see.

1412
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:35,239
There's always every I think, every election in my lifetime

1413
01:19:35,279 --> 01:19:38,279
since Texas turned red, I'm told that a Democrat has

1414
01:19:38,279 --> 01:19:39,039
a chance to win.

1415
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 3: So I think John Cornyn has also attacked me. And

1416
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:43,319
why was that?

1417
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:45,399
Speaker 2: I don't know, Molly. I think we need to hear

1418
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:50,119
him out. What do you have to say? Okay, well, Molly,

1419
01:19:50,199 --> 01:19:51,279
everyone's attacking her.

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Speaker 3: I know. It's so awful. I think it was when

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he said that if you cared about securing the border,

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you were a Russian in Texas.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about culture, yeap, What do I have?

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I don't think I have a lot, do you? Once

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you go first, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't really have anything. I had a friend visiting this

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weekend and she had an event at the White House.

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It's an arts and culture summit for the America two fifty,

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so was just kind of hanging out with her and

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enjoying that. And then on Sunday night we did Rewatch.

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This is a movie I'm beginning to like Rewatch with

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alarming frequency. Miracle.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I rewatched it too.

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Speaker 3: I love that movie. It's just so good and it

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I was cheering and crying and acting is so great

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and there's so many good lines. Well. Our pastor on

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Sunday had said that he was talking with some older

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kids at our school, which goes through eighth grade, about

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what is the greatest line in that movie? And pastor

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thought that the greatest line was that the name or

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that the yeah, the name on the front of the

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jersey is more important than the name on the back.

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But that one of the kids said, it's again. So

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you know the scene where they aren't putting their whole

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heart into a game with Norway or Sweden I can't remember,

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And so the coach makes them just go to the

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01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,680
point of exhaustion after the game, drilling them, and he

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just keeps saying again and again and again. And our

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pastor was saying that we should have this kind of

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attitude towards rooting out the sin in our lives, just

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01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:34,680
again and again and again. You just keep working to

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01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,600
work on your spiritual disciplines. We're in Lent, so we're

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01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,079
talking a lot about spiritual disciplines, what you give up,

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also what you do. And so I loved the sermon,

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but also I was like, I want to rewatch Miracle,

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So we rewatched it that night.

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Speaker 1: And but the best line is after again when he

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just yells Mike Eruzione, That's what I think is that's.

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Speaker 3: I mouthed that, like I didn't say anything out loud.

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We're Lutheran, we're quiet, but I said, yeah, who.

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Speaker 2: Do you play for? United States America? That is the

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greatest line. And I watched the movie for that point,

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like that's my favorite part of the movie. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So I think it is interesting that we all

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have that scene as the signature scene. But there are

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other good lines in the movie too. I want to

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01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:29,039
just mention Justice Kavanaugh right before he came out for

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01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:34,760
his speech that saved his nomination, the hype that he

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01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,960
did with Don McGann they both love that movie, was

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to say that line. Also, I watched the Miracle documentary,

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So good, isn't it? Yeah? And I thought that line

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from his kid when when his son is like, yeah,

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01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,319
all these people were saying how hard it was to

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play for him for six months in nineteen eighty, He's like,

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01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,680
try being his kid anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, his kids.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the best, most honest documentary, a miracle.

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It's not all romanticism. Like his kids obviously had.

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Speaker 2: A hard time with him. He was a hard man

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in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: And they tell the story about how Herb Brooks is

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01:23:14,079 --> 01:23:15,880
he was the last guy cut on the sixty Olympic

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team and when they won, his dad turned to him

1484
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,039
and said, it looks like they cut the right right guy,

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01:23:20,359 --> 01:23:22,520
and how brutal that must have been. And he was

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just a hard man. But I love that documentary. I

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01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,960
recommend it strongly for anyone who was interested in this

1488
01:23:28,079 --> 01:23:31,079
because it really They show footage that has never been

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01:23:31,119 --> 01:23:34,840
seen before. They have a lot of the players watching

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01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,520
their families. It's just really, really well done. I thought

1491
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:43,560
it was well done. I watched a show called a

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Night of the Seven Kingdoms, which is a spin off

1493
01:23:47,239 --> 01:23:51,880
of a prequel show to Game of Thrones. It is

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01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:56,039
not as pornographic i'd say, or violent. It was kind

1495
01:23:56,039 --> 01:24:00,840
of a straightforward story. People love this, and I think

1496
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,199
I just thought it was okay, So maybe I'm missing something.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I also watched a season of Alone. It was Arctic

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Adventure or something that shows nuts where they just drop

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you off in the wilderness with like seven things and

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01:24:17,319 --> 01:24:20,000
you have to survive and whoever survives longest. I think

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01:24:20,079 --> 01:24:23,279
that this season it was seventy five days or something

1503
01:24:23,319 --> 01:24:29,039
around there. So they fish and hunt. Basically they all

1504
01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:31,279
are just emaciated, like they just lose. I think the

1505
01:24:31,279 --> 01:24:34,079
guy who won lost seventy five pounds. It just seems

1506
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:39,720
irresponsible that show. But anyway, then I have such a

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01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,920
stack of books i'm reading that are amazing that I

1508
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:46,079
thought maybe i'd mentioned a few. The first one's called

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01:24:47,119 --> 01:24:50,560
The Great Sea and it's a human history of the Mediterranean,

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01:24:51,239 --> 01:24:53,119
just super well written and interesting.

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Speaker 3: I want to read that before I go on a

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01:24:55,319 --> 01:24:57,359
Mediterranean cruise in September.

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01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 1: Nice there's a book it's kind of it's an older book,

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01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,680
but it's expanded and I think re edited. It's called Augustus,

1515
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,399
the First Emperor of Rome by Adrian Goldsworthy, who's a great,

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01:25:09,239 --> 01:25:14,840
great historian of Rome. I have two more three more

1517
01:25:15,279 --> 01:25:18,720
the death of Trotsky, the story in plot to kill

1518
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,359
Stalin's greatest enemy. I started reading this, it's like it's

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01:25:21,359 --> 01:25:24,800
a history, but it's like a spy novel. It's just fantastic.

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01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:27,600
People like not giving away anything by saying that Trotsky

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01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,279
was killed with an ice pick in Mexico City by

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01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:34,439
a Stalin spy, and it tells you that story quickly. Yes,

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01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,159
but I think people know that violent saviors the West,

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01:25:37,239 --> 01:25:39,880
conquest of the rest, and then because of what was

1525
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,840
going on in Iran, I was rereading Among the Believers

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01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:47,720
by vs Nepal. You know that writer, such an amazing book.

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01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:49,840
He goes, I think it was in an eighty one.

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01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,479
He goes, it's like a travelogue in a way, but

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01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,720
he goes to Iran after the revolution. He goes to

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01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,800
the conquered people, not the Arabic countries, but people who

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01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:02,199
became Islamic when the our game. And if you're interested

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01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:05,600
in that, I think it's a classic. It's it's it's

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01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,399
a it's a fantastic book. It's a fantastic author.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: If you'd like to reach the show, you can do

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so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you. We'll be back next week.

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Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the

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friend

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