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<v Speaker 1>Time for the nine first went to one of orcass.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a cloudy day to day, I think it is,

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<v Speaker 1>not too cloudy anyway, It doesn't matter. Slight chance of

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<v Speaker 1>low tomorrow. Maybe scattered shower out there, but otherwise it's

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<v Speaker 1>just the mostly cloudy day with the highest seventy. Partly

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<v Speaker 1>cloudy overnight with a forty four low. Friday, beautiful day

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<v Speaker 1>rain Sixty nine for the high on Friday as well,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven. Right now, time for Chuck Ingram with a

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<v Speaker 1>traffic update.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly you see how traffic center when it comes to stroke,

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<v Speaker 2>at you see health dot com. Southbound seventy five better

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<v Speaker 2>through west Chester. Still heavy in and out of Lackland

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<v Speaker 2>with two accidents, but both are over on the right shoulder.

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<v Speaker 2>Now northbound seventy five. That's a slow go between Turfighting

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<v Speaker 2>Town and southbound seventy one you're now off and on

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<v Speaker 2>the breaks between Fifer.

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<v Speaker 3>And Red Bank.

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<v Speaker 2>It is National Tourism Day, So if you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>take the tour past our next guest house, just know

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<v Speaker 2>that the gift shop called the Napshack is closed until

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<v Speaker 2>the completion of the interview. The Judge's next Chuck Ingram

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<v Speaker 2>on fifty five KRC the talk.

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<v Speaker 3>Station A thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a good one, the Knapshack.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he is a a piece of work.

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<v Speaker 3>He is a piece of work. Out Good morning, Brian,

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<v Speaker 3>what a pleasure to beyond with you. Thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we gotta give Chuck Ingram props. Every once in

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<v Speaker 1>a while he just goes sort of off on rap rails,

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<v Speaker 1>But that was kind of cute anyway. Judge Eddapoulatana on

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<v Speaker 1>the FTY five Casey Morrey show every Wednesday at this time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thoroughly enjoy our conversations on any subject matter.

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<v Speaker 1>But I am a lucky man for the privilege of

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<v Speaker 1>getting an advanced copy of his column, which always comes

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<v Speaker 1>out at midnight tonight. Holes in the Constitution is the

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<v Speaker 1>caption or headline on it, and one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>topics with you as always, the Fourth Amendment. Your honor,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about the Fourth Amenment today. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize the history of the where Faiza came from.

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<v Speaker 1>That was on the heels of the Nixon and the

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<v Speaker 1>Watergate scandal. I don't know why I never cared.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, I mean, right after Nixon resigned, the Congress appointed

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<v Speaker 4>the Church Committee, which was one of those rare committees

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<v Speaker 4>of both members of the House and members of the Senate,

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<v Speaker 4>to examine the extent of domestic surveillance under the Nixon years.

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<v Speaker 4>It uncovered all kinds of things that none of us

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<v Speaker 4>knew about, but for our purposes, it revealed that President

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<v Speaker 4>Nixon had ordered the CIA and the FBI to engage

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<v Speaker 4>in surveillance.

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<v Speaker 3>Without any kind of warrants whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 4>The result of that was the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act,

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<v Speaker 4>which purported to codify the circumstances underway which the US

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<v Speaker 4>could spy in American citizens by going to the Pisa Court.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, they lowered the constitutional standard.

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<v Speaker 4>They can't tamper with the Constitution, but they did it anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>from probable cause of crime to get a search warrant,

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<v Speaker 4>to probably cause of being a foreign agent to get

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<v Speaker 4>a search one that by the way. It's not in

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<v Speaker 4>the article, but that, by the way, was also watered

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<v Speaker 4>down to probably cause of communicating with a foreign agent.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was watered down to communicating with a foreign person.

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<v Speaker 4>That's if I call my cousins in Florence or a

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<v Speaker 4>bookshop in London, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm already probably under surveillance.

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<v Speaker 4>But if I did that, that would be enough for

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<v Speaker 4>NSSAY to go to the vice Accord and get a

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<v Speaker 4>want to surveil me because I communicated with a foreign person.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how far afield we have come from the constitutional norm.

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<v Speaker 4>What the article reports to reveal and complain about is

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<v Speaker 4>that when this system was begun, there was a wall

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<v Speaker 4>of separation between the intelligence community and law enforcement. So

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<v Speaker 4>if this rampant unconstitutional spying unearthed evidence of crimes, it

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<v Speaker 4>could not be passed from intel to law enforcement. The

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<v Speaker 4>Patriot Act destroyed the wall, and so now the rampant

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<v Speaker 4>spying is used by law enforcement to gather evidence, rather

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<v Speaker 4>than law enforcement using the traditional tools of going to

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<v Speaker 4>a traditional judge like I was, and presenting evidence of

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<v Speaker 4>probable cause and getting the judge the sign of search.

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<v Speaker 3>Warm way go through all that trouble.

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<v Speaker 4>When your cousins in the NSA and the CIA will

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<v Speaker 4>spy for you anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where we are today.

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<v Speaker 4>And Trump, who was personally victimized by this in twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 4>In twenty sixteen, we all remember that not has not

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<v Speaker 3>Stop to it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I understand all of that, and I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>have to go back in this slippery slope that you

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<v Speaker 1>explained very very succinctly on how we went from probable

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<v Speaker 1>cause of a crime to just communicating with a foreign person,

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<v Speaker 1>but a foreign agent. I guess that in and of

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<v Speaker 1>itself could be loosely defined. I mean, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>define a foreign agent for the purposes of the original

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<v Speaker 1>Phiza course, But also was this watering down that you

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<v Speaker 1>just explained. Was that done by virtue of an amendment

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<v Speaker 1>to the original Pisa Act or is it just done

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<v Speaker 1>as a matter of course behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, but that is a fabulous question, Brian.

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<v Speaker 4>It was done by DOJ lawyers persuading the Phisi Court,

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<v Speaker 4>which meets in secret and whose records are secret, whose

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<v Speaker 4>judges are searched when they leave leave the courthouse to

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<v Speaker 4>make sure they're not taking any records or files with them,

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<v Speaker 4>whose mobile devices are scanned by the litigant before them,

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<v Speaker 4>the NSA. All of that was done by the PISI

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<v Speaker 4>Court itself, not by the Congress. So it is a

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<v Speaker 4>dastardly secret whole blown into the Fourth Amendment by federal

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<v Speaker 4>bureaucrats and gutless federal judges.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you get on the FISI Court.

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<v Speaker 4>The PISA Court is made up of thirteen Federal District

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<v Speaker 4>Court judges. They don't sit in a panel, they sit individually,

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<v Speaker 4>They rotate, they rotate through and they're appointed by the

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<v Speaker 4>Chief Justice for the most part gutless. They've become gutless

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<v Speaker 4>tools of the intelligence community.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess on some level we've sort of reverted

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<v Speaker 1>back to ignoring the Fourth Amendment, playing and simple. But

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<v Speaker 1>then again, j Edgar Hoover engaged in this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>act the entire time he was at the FBI, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and he gathered files and spied on politicians and presidents

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody he could get his hands on.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, he used it for blackmail purposes, but he was

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<v Speaker 4>in the early sixties, and he wasn't going to get

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<v Speaker 4>this into evidence in a courtroom today, of course, federal

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<v Speaker 4>agents have come of age. A whole generation of federal

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<v Speaker 4>agents has come of age since nine to eleven, twenty

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<v Speaker 4>four years ago, and that generation has been taught spy first,

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<v Speaker 4>worry about.

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<v Speaker 3>The Constitution and the statutes later.

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<v Speaker 4>And every year it gets worse and worse because the

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<v Speaker 4>Feds rely more that the federal law enforcement relies more

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<v Speaker 4>on federal intel. If you think I'm exaggerating, this report

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<v Speaker 4>is public. It's a nine hundred and six page report

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<v Speaker 4>written by the Trump FBI first term Trump, revealed by

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<v Speaker 4>the Biden FBI given to Congress at the tail end

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<v Speaker 4>of Biden's term, and nothing has changed.

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<v Speaker 3>And in this.

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<v Speaker 4>Report, the Trump FBI reveals how it relied on CIA

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<v Speaker 4>and NSA to do domestic spying for law enforcement purposes.

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<v Speaker 3>Did anybody complain?

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<v Speaker 4>You have the usuals complain, Ron Paul complained, Ron Widen complained,

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<v Speaker 4>Paul being the libertarian, widened being the progressive that monitor

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<v Speaker 4>civil liberties abuses.

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<v Speaker 3>Where did their complaints go?

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<v Speaker 4>Some buried somewhere in the congressional record that said everybody

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<v Speaker 4>looked the other way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well to the extent of prosecution for criminal activity arises

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<v Speaker 1>as a consequence of their unconstitutional listening into our conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>That's evidence that was obtained a violation of our civil rights,

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<v Speaker 1>notably the Fourth Amendment, that could be suppressed. But what

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<v Speaker 1>you're telling me is once it's referred to law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement then knows about this alleged criminal activity and

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<v Speaker 1>then begins to build a case seemingly independent of that

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<v Speaker 1>original Fourth Amendment violation. So what they appear to do

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<v Speaker 1>is present valid evidence.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there's two ways they do that.

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<v Speaker 4>One is called what you've just described parallel construction, where

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<v Speaker 4>they will re engineer a route back to the evidence

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<v Speaker 4>by seemingly lawful means. The other is outright deception, by

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<v Speaker 4>just passing the evidence from person to person to person

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<v Speaker 4>the person so that the prosecutors in the courtroom do

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<v Speaker 4>not know the true origin of the evidence. So when

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<v Speaker 4>that DOJ lawyer in the courtroom says to a federal

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<v Speaker 4>judge the means that the government says they legally acquired it,

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<v Speaker 4>he really believes that he has been duped by his

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<v Speaker 4>own people. So there's two ways that they try and

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<v Speaker 4>get that evidence in court. This is positive stalinistic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it hasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Changed under the Trump DOJ or the Trump FBI, which

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<v Speaker 4>is what provoked me to write this piece.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and also didn't change into the Biden administration. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure this was going under the Obama administration. It sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like it's been going on for decades and decades even

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<v Speaker 1>prior to FIZA was as the Jagger Hoover point.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the spying has been going on since the original

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<v Speaker 4>patriarcht Now you're always was spying, but it became rampant

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<v Speaker 4>to the point and technological technologically feasible after nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 4>Holding up my iPhone, I don't know if you can

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<v Speaker 4>see it, whereby the fence can monitor every keystroke on

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<v Speaker 4>every mobile device and every desktop and do so without

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<v Speaker 4>even the charade of a warrant. Now, this produces so

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<v Speaker 4>much information overload that they can't possibly monitor.

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<v Speaker 3>It in real time. But it does exist if they

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<v Speaker 3>want to go back and look at it. Where it

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<v Speaker 3>is in Utah, where.

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<v Speaker 4>The largest office building on the planet, the largest structure

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<v Speaker 4>on the planet, bigger than the Pentagon.

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<v Speaker 3>And where in public doesn't even know this. The government

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<v Speaker 3>built this monstrosity in Utah.

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<v Speaker 4>To hold all the computer chip information that the intelligence

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<v Speaker 4>community gathers on Americans every year.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and now you're on it. We have artificial intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>and supercomputers, so you know the fact that they can't

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<v Speaker 1>they deal with information overload. Maybe it was just up

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<v Speaker 1>until now an AI can be put to the task

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<v Speaker 1>of rifling through all those unconstitutionally seized texts and information

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<v Speaker 1>and get the root of whatever they think they're looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>It's frightening stuff, and again it's all in violation of

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<v Speaker 1>the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if they could type in Brian Thomas, Judge Napolitano

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<v Speaker 4>and just pick a date in any Wednesday five years

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<v Speaker 4>ago and they'll get immediately the transcript of what we said. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>that's not a good example because what we set us

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<v Speaker 4>already public.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you and I were on the.

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<v Speaker 4>Phone on a given day in a non public environment

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<v Speaker 4>and they want the transcript.

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<v Speaker 3>Of that, they can get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Scary stuff, but stuff we all have to know and

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<v Speaker 1>enlighten us. And hopefully there'll be an uprising and a

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<v Speaker 1>demand from the populace to change things. But I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>waiting around for that because apparently nobody knows the Fourth

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment or the Constitution. Generally, since they've taken civics classes

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<v Speaker 1>out of schools, people are no longer insulted by this

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<v Speaker 1>type of trampling on our right to be free of

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<v Speaker 1>unreasonable searches and caizars. Judge Andrew Nepolitano, Obviously, enlightening went

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<v Speaker 1>good schooling today on the Fourth Amendment. And I love

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it, and I love talking to you man.

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<v Speaker 1>I look forward to next Wednesday, as I always do,

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<v Speaker 1>and to rank back at.

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<v Speaker 4>You, Brian, thank you for these wonderful conversations and this

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity to discuss these very important issues. I trust that

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<v Speaker 4>your audience appreciates them. I know they appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 3>All of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, brother. We'll talk next week. Have a great

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