WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.000 All right, So this is a little bit different style 2 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:08.320 of episode than the run I've been on. That's for 3 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:11.560 a couple of reasons. One, as you can probably tell, 4 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:14.759 I get bored talking about the same things over and 5 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:18.839 over again, and after two episodes on the kind of 6 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:23.519 daily grind, politics, some history, I wanted something else. But 7 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:28.839 there's a philosophical line that runs through this episode and 8 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:32.920 a few others, which is asking the question, well, what 9 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:35.840 is the social utility of analysis? 10 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:36.719 Right? 11 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:42.520 What is the point of constantly examining a system? Emil 12 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:46.679 Cairrick Guard, a bizarre man who I have complicated feelings on, 13 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.960 believe that the point of introspection was to move outward. 14 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:51.799 Right. 15 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:55.119 The point of looking inward isn't to just form a 16 00:00:55.280 --> 00:01:00.719 human oroborus eternally descending into yourself, but it's so that 17 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:04.879 that knowledge can be applied elsewhere, to the outside world, 18 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:08.159 and that's what matters. We see something similar happen on 19 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:10.159 the Internet, which is what is the point of the Internet. 20 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:12.719 Is it to win the Internet, to gain the most height, 21 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:15.640 to gain the most clout, or is it to do 22 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:19.000 something real in meat space? As the yunks would say, 23 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:22.920 But in all seriousness, I think that our guys have 24 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:28.480 a tendency towards analysis paralysis. A lot of this comes 25 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:34.439 from our origins as a reactive movement, not the left. 26 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:37.920 Whatever they're doing is bad, and our guys can tell 27 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:42.239 you why it's not, why it's bad, how it's bad, 28 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:44.319 and it can really get into a lot of fights 29 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:47.480 about exactly when it started. But the point is, well, 30 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:51.920 what comes next? Granting all of those premises, what is 31 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:56.640 the conclusion? And so my guest today, grit Colt, has 32 00:01:56.680 --> 00:02:00.519 a lot to say about the importance of decisive of action. 33 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:09.560 He takes as an example Napoleon right, the great Corsican general. Boldness, boldness, boldness, 34 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:14.039 he said, and this is something I think we need 35 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:19.120 to take from the classical world, take from history, our 36 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:23.800 collection of heroes, the men we idolize. Is that decisiveness, 37 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:27.919 that desire to quickly make a decision and act on it. 38 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:30.800 This does not mean to be hasty, does not mean 39 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:36.120 to make poorly considered bad choices, but to say something 40 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:40.360 must be done. Simply sitting back and analyzing the tenth 41 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:43.439 piece of woke slav culture, well, that isn't really going 42 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:46.599 to make a difference. That doesn't meaningfully make anything better. 43 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:50.280 So I think that this is an important episode for 44 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:56.280 that reason and also because, well there's some adventure to it. 45 00:02:57.080 --> 00:02:59.439 For a lot of guys who grew up when I 46 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:03.599 did and a little bit afterwards, your progression through life 47 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:09.639 depended on an infinite number of these little checks. Right, 48 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:12.800 what was your GPA, not just in high school, but 49 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:16.479 even going into middle school. What extracurriculars were you involved in? 50 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:19.039 Did you get a letter from such and such person? 51 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:21.919 Did you check all of these boxes so that you 52 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:25.360 could pass through the gate and become a member of 53 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:29.439 the professional Managerial Class, the PMC, the laptop people who 54 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:32.840 make money. That was the goal. And this led to, 55 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:37.599 or it could a situation where your life was tightly managed. 56 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:40.639 You were going from one activity to the other. You 57 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:46.680 couldn't really afford to miss something, you couldn't afford to 58 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:49.879 have something drop off your resume because you were competing 59 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:54.759 for a vanishingly small amount of spots for guys like you. 60 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:58.360 And I've seen this even worse with the general not 61 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:00.280 even the generation, but guys who were five to ten 62 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.639 years younger than me. I mean, I'm sure we've all 63 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:08.080 had the conversation with an older family member who, you know, 64 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:12.680 maybe went to college. Maybe didn't who is not particularly 65 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:17.519 bright but got into that school, and maybe you went 66 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:19.720 to it, or you knew people who did, and you're like, well, 67 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:24.879 I mean, I know my uncle, I know whoever that 68 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:28.879 guy is. He's not that smart. But for the guy 69 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:31.519 who's forty years younger, that was a stretch. He really 70 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:35.079 had to get it done. And the guys who were 71 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:37.839 five years ten years younger than me have it even worse. 72 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:40.560 I mean, I know a kid. I won't send any 73 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:42.439 details because you know, this is public and I try 74 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:46.839 not to blow people up on the internet. Who is smart? 75 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:52.680 Captain the soccer team, athletic And if he was even 76 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:56.360 my age, he would have been a shoe it or 77 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:59.959 at least made a good run at not the IVS 78 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.480 he was wouldn't have been able to do that even 79 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:05.480 ten years ago. But the public ivy's a school like 80 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:10.800 you know, Villanova, Uva, Notre Dame, something like that, you know, 81 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.519 a ha hi tier school. And he ended up at 82 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:17.120 a to be honest, kind of a po dunk regional college. 83 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:21.279 Now look, I'm not a college guy, per se. That 84 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:23.720 is a determinate factor in your life is in my mind, 85 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:29.920 largely overstated. Particularly when we consider the last several decades 86 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:33.839 of just absolute distortion that system has gone through. But 87 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:38.399 point is right, the deck is being stacked more and 88 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:41.040 more aggressively, and so for parents who were trying to 89 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:43.839 motivate their children, trying to get their children a good life, 90 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:48.639 the pressure is mounting. But nonetheless that leaves us in 91 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:51.759 a system with very little agency. You don't actually get 92 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:57.000 to choose, you don't actually get to express any sort 93 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:00.720 of courage. Really, you're checking off boxes. There's no for that. 94 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:03.480 And so I think it's why so many of our 95 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:07.399 guys have been drawn to entrepreneurship, have been drawn to 96 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:11.279 making a run of it on their own. One because 97 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:13.639 it's for many people one of the first times in 98 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:15.680 the life in their life where they feel like they 99 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:19.040 have access to what Kazinski would call the power process, 100 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:23.879 decisions that meaningfully shape your life. But also because well, 101 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.759 they've been locked out of the traditional way. They can't 102 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:32.759 really get the job that their parents or grandparents expected 103 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:35.720 they would, and so whether it's a push or a pull, 104 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:39.360 they're on their own and in that situation. And I 105 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:42.319 say this as technically a small businessman, technically someone who's 106 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:45.040 self employed. It require me to admit that this is 107 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:47.720 a job, which I mean, I work like it's a job, 108 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:51.800 but you know it's kind of fake. But point is right. 109 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:58.399 I see why that's attractive. And in that context, the 110 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:02.120 example of Napo, the example of Caesar, the example of 111 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:07.279 Alexander's vital that sort of decisive courage is something needed 112 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:12.959 and it's something absent in much of culture. Now when 113 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:16.319 we talk about risk, it's true the Generation Z in 114 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:20.160 particular is risk averse. Look at how many of them drink, 115 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:24.639 Look at how many of them have sex risky activities. 116 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:26.800 The numbers are plunging off a cliff. Now, part of 117 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:28.839 that has to do with an epidemic of loneliness and 118 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:34.160 you know, weird sexual paraphilias. We will set that conversation 119 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:37.240 aside for now, but a lot of it is that 120 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:42.360 culture of risk avoidance. You were raised that any one 121 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:46.079 thing could ruin your life. Well, if you get kicked 122 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.920 out of school for a scuffle, well, all of a sudden, 123 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:52.720 you aren't going to school. You aren't going to the school, 124 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:56.199 and you aren't getting the job. And okay, sure that's 125 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:59.040 a minute example, but it's echoed many times, and I 126 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:03.519 have a feeling anyone under thirty knows what I'm talking about, 127 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.839 at least kind of right. You have been raised to 128 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:12.160 be risk averse. Sorry, my cat's trying to eat a 129 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:17.720 rubber band. Hopefully doesn't swallow it anyway, And that same 130 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:22.040 attitude is expressed you through school, expressed to you at home. 131 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:25.720 Every adult is constantly looking at you as if you 132 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:28.480 were one bad decision away from blowing it all up. 133 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:30.959 And to a certain degree that's true. You know you 134 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:37.360 shouldn't do stupid things. But that over adversion to risk, well, 135 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.960 you know it carries very real consequences. Now, conversely, we've 136 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:46.679 also seen the rise of sports betting, of basically betting 137 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:48.600 it all on black. Now, part of that, I think 138 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:53.840 is due to a feeling of basically financial nihilism. You know, 139 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:56.799 if I don't hit big, I'm never gonna win at all. 140 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:02.320 So let's hit the casino, go to prediction markets, let's 141 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:06.440 you know, make an eight like ignorant sports parlay. But 142 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:08.919 I think another part of it is that desire for risk, 143 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:11.840 that desire for agency. Okay, it may not be the 144 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:16.960 most smart way to express it, but it's at least understandable. Now, 145 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:19.919 maybe not the most appropriate reaction. 146 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:20.759 Right. 147 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:23.679 Maybe not the best situation for a society to be in, 148 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:28.440 heavily financialized, heavily gambling dependent, but it's the situation we 149 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:32.759 find ourselves in. It is regardless really of how you 150 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:36.840 or I feel about it from a moral perspective. Now, 151 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:39.039 other things that I think we have to bear in 152 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:45.200 mind is there's no free lunch. There's really no way 153 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:50.039 to get out of paying. You can shift those variables around, 154 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:54.559 but there's a limited amount of optimization you can do. 155 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:57.759 You see this in the kind of goofy Brian Johnson 156 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:00.840 desire to live forever, you know, to to sort of 157 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:04.639 balance your biomarkers so that you can have, according to him, 158 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:07.159 the penis of an eighteen year old, the blood of 159 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:10.120 a seven year old. This kind of ghoulish desire to 160 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:13.679 live forever, to be a perfected being, and not in 161 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:18.960 kind of Greek way, in a very bizarre Mormon scientific way. 162 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:21.759 Sorry Mormons, it's probably rude, but I think he is 163 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:26.200 a former LDS dude. Also, this is something that is 164 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:32.360 very easily apparent in dating culture, the desire for prince charming, 165 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:37.080 the desire for the person who will make everything perfect. 166 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.240 Weirdly enough, this is kind of tied to the Catholic 167 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:44.320 idea of lust. I think this is in Dante. It 168 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:46.519 might be in Dante, if not. One of my Catholic 169 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:48.639 friends said it to me, maybe Peter Kreeft, who I 170 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:51.399 don't know, but you know what I mean. The idea 171 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:53.559 is that lust is the idea that there is a 172 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:56.039 person out there who can make you happy, who can 173 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:01.200 fix your life. Obviously women have this as well, looking 174 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:05.639 for you know, Prince Charming, the broody billionaire who reads 175 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:09.200 and has washboard apps, who wants to marry a forty 176 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:13.120 year old girl boss with frozen eggs. And that's laughable. 177 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:16.200 That's not true, that's not real in either case. You know, 178 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:19.480 I'm sorry. You know, if you're the north side of 179 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:23.080 three hundred pounds, you're probably not gonna you know, score 180 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:25.639 a you know, a ten out of ten trad wife. 181 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:29.279 But the point is a choice needs to be made. 182 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:33.240 You have a finite amount of life, and if you 183 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:36.480 are going to settle down and have a family, you 184 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.919 need to make a choice, a decisive one, a commitment, 185 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:46.440 and that commitment will have drawbacks, there will be strengths 186 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:50.480 and weaknesses, but that is the human condition. A decision 187 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.960 must be made or you're simply sitting out of the game. 188 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:58.240 We're waiting for conditions to improve, and they may well, 189 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:03.240 they may well improve rather at some point in history. 190 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:05.559 But the question is, well, are you alive? 191 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:05.840 Then? 192 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:11.360 The old wisdom is the market can stay irrational longer 193 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:14.320 than you can stay solvent, and that applies to many 194 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:20.000 aspects of life. Modernity is very uncomfortable with commitment, very 195 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:25.159 uncomfortable with the idea of a bond you can't immediately jet. Obviously, 196 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:27.960 the sexual example is one that comes up very easily. 197 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.960 But the idea of the chosen family that you see 198 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.720 predominantly in trans circles is the same idea expressed differently. 199 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:39.639 No bond is legitimate unless I choose it, and I 200 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:42.519 can enter or leave it at any given point. But 201 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:45.360 that is by no means a family. It is just 202 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:49.240 as much a real family as the trans woman is 203 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:53.200 a real woman. It's a synthetic, fabricated imitation of the 204 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:58.039 real thing because it is chosen, because it is fundamentally rational. 205 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:02.960 It is a decision weighed on a cost benefit system. 206 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:06.200 Your real family isn't like that. You don't have to 207 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:09.519 like your family to be bound to them. You didn't 208 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:12.879 choose it. And this is exactly what we see from 209 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:16.799 the progressives talking about immigration when they say it's not 210 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.320 your country, you didn't choose it. That guy who walked 211 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:25.320 across miles of rusty nails and broken glass, he's the 212 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:28.600 guy who deserves it more than you because he chose, 213 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:34.399 He sacrificed, he gave something up. And okay, I'll admit, 214 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:37.480 you know, walking on miles of broken glass, it's certainly impressive. 215 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:43.080 But I am an American. I didn't choose to be one. 216 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:45.399 My family has been here for four hundred years. It's 217 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:49.559 simply what I am. I couldn't be anything else. If 218 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:52.960 I moved to South Africa or Austria or Somolia, I 219 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:58.120 would be an American in Somalia or Austria or South Africa. 220 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.879 That's what I would be. It's bone deep, it's unchosen. 221 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:07.080 It is more real than the unchosen commitments. That is 222 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:10.159 what defines us, that is what makes us who we are. 223 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:13.600 And modernity can't stand this because it says, well, what 224 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:15.799 if you don't want to be an American, what if 225 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:18.600 you don't want to be a woman, Well it doesn't matter. 226 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:19.559 You are. 227 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:24.120 That commitment, that choice, that bond was made for you, 228 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:28.600 and that's what gives you identity. And for us, these 229 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.759 sort of children of the ashes, children of a civilizational winter, 230 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:34.879 who are uncomfortably one foot in one world and a 231 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:40.639 desire to place that other foot in another. We can say, 232 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:43.960 we can proclaim the importance of these unchosen bonds. But 233 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:46.519 when it gets down, when it becomes time to make 234 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:50.519 a decisive choice, one that will irreverably change change your 235 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:53.480 life for good or for ill, you will never be 236 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:58.120 the same person before or afterwards, we get uncomfortable, understandably, 237 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:01.159 so it's a serious decision. But that is the time 238 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:06.080 for decisive action. That is the time to make a choice. 239 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:08.919 And again, if we're talking about what makes us unique, 240 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:13.399 what makes the young men who make up the broad 241 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:18.639 right people interested in timeless things, we've added a couple things. 242 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:22.480 We've added a monopoly on men who care, a monopoly 243 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.679 on adventure, and hopefully, I think this can be fostered 244 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:33.799 a monopoly on decisive action. Anyway, we'll get into the interview. 245 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:36.279 I think you guys are gonna like it, again, outside 246 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:38.759 of the sort of guys I normally talk to, but 247 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:42.320 I think it was pretty good. This is what I do. 248 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:45.080 This is all I do. So if you want to 249 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:46.840 support me, one of the best ways you can do 250 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:49.240 that is heading over to Patreon, Substack or gum Road. 251 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:51.639 Give me a couple bucks a month and you get 252 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:55.559 every episode early in ad free. I'm not hiding anything 253 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.559 from you guys on the free feed, not holding anything back. 254 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:02.200 But if you want them early, you want them without ads. 255 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:06.120 Pay me a few bucks. Sorry, it's sort of the 256 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.679 what I gotta do. I know the ads are annoying, 257 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:12.879 but they pay my mortgage. That's what I got. You 258 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:15.360 can also head over to Axios Remote Fitness and Coaching. 259 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.919 Jad's a good guy. He understands this exact dynamic. You 260 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:22.120 want to be surrounded by light minded fellas, you want 261 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:24.759 to get strong, you want to get big. Well, he's 262 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:26.399 a good way to do it. Tell them I've sent 263 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:29.480 you without further ado, here's Grit Clt. 264 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:30.320 Thank you. 265 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:34.440 All right, Grit Colt. Welcome to the Jay Burden Show. 266 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:34.960 How you doing that? 267 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:38.200 I'm doing good. It's a pleasure to be. 268 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:43.080 Here, definitely. It's always fun when you can use Twitter 269 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:45.519 for you know what it's supposed to be used for, 270 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:48.480 which is just the world's biggest roll of dex and 271 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:51.320 you can you can meet people that you just hadn't 272 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:53.960 come in contact with before. You and I we were 273 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:56.279 put in contact by a few friends in a group chat, 274 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:59.200 and so yeah, I'm glad to have you on, but 275 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:02.159 for my audience might not be familiar with you. Well, 276 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:03.679 who are you and what do you do? 277 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:09.799 Yeah, I mean that that question itself is quite interesting. 278 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:13.000 I always feel like who a man is is really 279 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:14.680 by his actions, what he's done. 280 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.119 What he does, and how he lives his life. So 281 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:18.839 I mean, I think the best way to kind of. 282 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.279 Like you know, give myself, like you know, to the 283 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:24.440 audience is kind of describe what I've been doing, what 284 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:26.799 I've done, and what's like, you know, the experiences that 285 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:31.640 have shaped me. So, you know, studied you know, economics 286 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:35.759 at university. From there really start into the whole philosophical 287 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:41.200 you know, economic you know, heterodoxy kind of thought streams 288 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:43.599 that were around the time that led me down to 289 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:47.359 a path of like really exploring but not any technology, 290 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:51.680 but also like crypto and crypto technology as an ideological 291 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:54.839 kind of alternative to the current system that we live in. 292 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:57.799 So from there, you know, also had a brief stint 293 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:02.240 working at these very large consulting mega corporations. But for 294 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:04.039 the last like you know, six years of most of 295 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:07.400 my career has been working in very early stage startups, 296 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:11.640 you know, growth consulting product like trying to building, strying 297 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:14.440 to you know, put things out there, get feedback, hit 298 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:16.599 the market. Like you know, it's been brutal, but it's 299 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:20.759 also been very rewarding at the same time. Aside from that, 300 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:23.559 you know, sorry, I'm just gonna go on a bit 301 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:27.640 run no, yeah, but yeah, aside from that, it's kind 302 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:31.359 of you know, been been building on Twitter, like you know, 303 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:33.279 been posting, I've been sharing my thoughts for a very 304 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:37.279 long time. I've been on you know, I've crossed past 305 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:40.039 with some of your guests previously. We've got you know, 306 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:43.279 quite a few friends overlapping as well. I've explored all 307 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:46.000 sides of you know kind of like you know, the 308 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:50.119 different thoughts and different you know, subcultures that have existed 309 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.960 on Twitter. There's time all the way back to like 310 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:55.640 the Pine Tree Boys, you know, the. 311 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:58.160 Accelerationists, all all these kind of things. 312 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:00.920 So yeah, I mean, like Twitter is a great place 313 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:04.160 kind of network meet people, and it's probably the greatest 314 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:07.519 app in you know, my experience in my life. You know, 315 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.519 I definitely spend an extreme amount of time on it, 316 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:12.799 and it's also led to like you know, im mental 317 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:15.960 career opportunities as well, you know, like you know, all 318 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:19.559 these companies I worked with, it's been through Twitter primarily nowadays. 319 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:22.880 So yeah, I mean, any of your audience, our workers, 320 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:25.720 I would, you know, tell them, look, start bursting, start networking, 321 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:27.200 and start sharing what you sing. 322 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:32.559 Yeah, a couple of things there. I did not get 323 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:36.680 an economics degree, although I got a finance degree, And 324 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:40.400 I'm curious to get your thoughts on those sort of 325 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:43.920 programs because I went to and I won't box myself, 326 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:47.920 but you know, a decent program you know, in that 327 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:53.079 kind of like top tier, and I was honestly pretty 328 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:57.240 unimpressed with who I found myself alongside. Now, there were 329 00:19:57.400 --> 00:19:59.759 certainly many people there who were much smarter than me, 330 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.359 but it was a very interesting mentality. Part of the 331 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.759 reason why I left that industry. It was a lot 332 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:09.160 of and this is a term I'm going to Butcher, 333 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:12.559 I'm stealing from you Brits right, the sort of first 334 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:15.880 girl syndrome, you know, the sort of people who have 335 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:18.799 collected all the gold stars and are looking for one 336 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:21.920 more in this kind of sequence of like different gates 337 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:24.880 they've passed through. And so I'm curious as someone who 338 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:28.680 is you know, a founder, right, did you see other 339 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:31.480 people like that in your program or were you kind 340 00:20:31.480 --> 00:20:32.200 of on your own in that? 341 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:36.960 Yeah, I mean it's in So I went I went 342 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:39.000 to a pretty unique program. 343 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:42.039 I went to probably dogs myself here, but like I 344 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:44.920 went to the University of Budbeck and they're an evening school. 345 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:49.000 They've got some pretty good alumni. Bag Rolls famously is 346 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:52.240 one of them. So they were essentially like it was 347 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:57.160 started as like the Workingman's University, like you know for workers, 348 00:20:57.240 --> 00:20:58.200 you know, after like. 349 00:20:58.160 --> 00:20:59.960 Their nine to five had come to the university. 350 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:02.400 So, I mean I had a very heterodogus kind of 351 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:06.160 like you know, study life, I guess in a sense 352 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:08.839 because I was always the youngest person on like every 353 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:10.839 course I was on, and I was like, so I 354 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:12.319 was next to like, you know, a thirty five year 355 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:15.480 old you know who's he was into the university for 356 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:17.279 the first time, or like a guy who's just like 357 00:21:17.319 --> 00:21:20.079 you know, who goes to study for fun. So it 358 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:23.279 was a pretty strange experience. But I mean the university 359 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:28.359 was definitely it was definitely like tilted more towards like 360 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:32.480 the Marxist kind of you know, very socialist, Fabian society 361 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:35.079 kind of people. I mean, at least that's what they're 362 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:37.640 kind of espousing. And that's why I really started into 363 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:40.440 a wok like you know, cryptoiarchy and a Cais libertarian 364 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:44.160 school of thought, which was not very explored you know 365 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:49.240 at this you know, London University. So and in terms 366 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:51.799 of like the coreho of people, yeah, I mean I 367 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:54.240 think I think in general in life there's just like, 368 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:56.440 you know, these people that just kind of like follow 369 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.839 the rules all the instructions and you know, they you know, 370 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.119 colleged two hundred dollars, you know, every time to hit 371 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:07.000 go whatever. So I mean not that surprises me. I 372 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:10.920 think I've always had like it's always a streak of rebellions, 373 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:14.440 you know, rebellion in me. So like I was, did 374 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:18.839 find myself Bill and outside of so yeah, I mean 375 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:21.000 I don't think that answers your question directly, but. 376 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:26.319 Out of personal curiosity because you know how it is, 377 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:29.519 and you meet certain people from a background that's not 378 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:32.039 the same as yours, and you wonder was my experience 379 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:37.960 reflected right so you post a lot on social media 380 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:43.559 about boldness decisive action, and you had a great I 381 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:47.920 think you called it a manifesto on telegram, originally posted 382 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:52.720 to Twitter, talking about the tax, that there is no 383 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.599 free lunch. Any decision you make comes with a cost. 384 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:00.759 And oftentimes I see you guys both just kind of 385 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:02.839 you know, our guys for whatever that term means. And 386 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:07.039 also people in broader culture sort of looking to optimize, right, 387 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:12.559 looking to find that perfect path with no downsides. And yeah, 388 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:17.200 especially if you have sort of a engineering mindset. Nothing 389 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:20.640 against engineers, but that desire to optimize a system, it 390 00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:24.599 can lead to a sort of paralysis, right, a refusal 391 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:27.400 to act. Yeah, and so I'm curious if you could 392 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:31.200 one explain that idea of the tax, and then well, 393 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:36.680 why is decisive action the correct course of decided? Saying 394 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:38.880 action in twice in one sentence is horrible English, but 395 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:40.160 you know what I mean, why is that the way 396 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:40.559 to do it? 397 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:46.359 Yeah? 398 00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:52.400 So I think with that piece, I'm trying to, like 399 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:55.799 I was trying to outline the fact and no matter 400 00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:59.200 what you do, there will be some like you know, 401 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:02.680