Speaker 1: All right, So this is a little bit different style
Speaker 1: of episode than the run I've been on. That's for
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. One, as you can probably tell,
Speaker 1: I get bored talking about the same things over and
Speaker 1: over again, and after two episodes on the kind of
Speaker 1: daily grind, politics, some history, I wanted something else. But
Speaker 1: there's a philosophical line that runs through this episode and
Speaker 1: a few others, which is asking the question, well, what
Speaker 1: is the social utility of analysis?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: What is the point of constantly examining a system? Emil
Speaker 1: Cairrick Guard, a bizarre man who I have complicated feelings on,
Speaker 1: believe that the point of introspection was to move outward.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The point of looking inward isn't to just form a
Speaker 1: human oroborus eternally descending into yourself, but it's so that
Speaker 1: that knowledge can be applied elsewhere, to the outside world,
Speaker 1: and that's what matters. We see something similar happen on
Speaker 1: the Internet, which is what is the point of the Internet.
Speaker 1: Is it to win the Internet, to gain the most height,
Speaker 1: to gain the most clout, or is it to do
Speaker 1: something real in meat space? As the yunks would say,
Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, I think that our guys have
Speaker 1: a tendency towards analysis paralysis. A lot of this comes
Speaker 1: from our origins as a reactive movement, not the left.
Speaker 1: Whatever they're doing is bad, and our guys can tell
Speaker 1: you why it's not, why it's bad, how it's bad,
Speaker 1: and it can really get into a lot of fights
Speaker 1: about exactly when it started. But the point is, well,
Speaker 1: what comes next? Granting all of those premises, what is
Speaker 1: the conclusion? And so my guest today, grit Colt, has
Speaker 1: a lot to say about the importance of decisive of action.
Speaker 1: He takes as an example Napoleon right, the great Corsican general. Boldness, boldness, boldness,
Speaker 1: he said, and this is something I think we need
Speaker 1: to take from the classical world, take from history, our
Speaker 1: collection of heroes, the men we idolize. Is that decisiveness,
Speaker 1: that desire to quickly make a decision and act on it.
Speaker 1: This does not mean to be hasty, does not mean
Speaker 1: to make poorly considered bad choices, but to say something
Speaker 1: must be done. Simply sitting back and analyzing the tenth
Speaker 1: piece of woke slav culture, well, that isn't really going
Speaker 1: to make a difference. That doesn't meaningfully make anything better.
Speaker 1: So I think that this is an important episode for
Speaker 1: that reason and also because, well there's some adventure to it.
Speaker 1: For a lot of guys who grew up when I
Speaker 1: did and a little bit afterwards, your progression through life
Speaker 1: depended on an infinite number of these little checks. Right,
Speaker 1: what was your GPA, not just in high school, but
Speaker 1: even going into middle school. What extracurriculars were you involved in?
Speaker 1: Did you get a letter from such and such person?
Speaker 1: Did you check all of these boxes so that you
Speaker 1: could pass through the gate and become a member of
Speaker 1: the professional Managerial Class, the PMC, the laptop people who
Speaker 1: make money. That was the goal. And this led to,
Speaker 1: or it could a situation where your life was tightly managed.
Speaker 1: You were going from one activity to the other. You
Speaker 1: couldn't really afford to miss something, you couldn't afford to
Speaker 1: have something drop off your resume because you were competing
Speaker 1: for a vanishingly small amount of spots for guys like you.
Speaker 1: And I've seen this even worse with the general not
Speaker 1: even the generation, but guys who were five to ten
Speaker 1: years younger than me. I mean, I'm sure we've all
Speaker 1: had the conversation with an older family member who, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe went to college. Maybe didn't who is not particularly
Speaker 1: bright but got into that school, and maybe you went
Speaker 1: to it, or you knew people who did, and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know my uncle, I know whoever that
Speaker 1: guy is. He's not that smart. But for the guy
Speaker 1: who's forty years younger, that was a stretch. He really
Speaker 1: had to get it done. And the guys who were
Speaker 1: five years ten years younger than me have it even worse.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know a kid. I won't send any
Speaker 1: details because you know, this is public and I try
Speaker 1: not to blow people up on the internet. Who is smart?
Speaker 1: Captain the soccer team, athletic And if he was even
Speaker 1: my age, he would have been a shoe it or
Speaker 1: at least made a good run at not the IVS
Speaker 1: he was wouldn't have been able to do that even
Speaker 1: ten years ago. But the public ivy's a school like
Speaker 1: you know, Villanova, Uva, Notre Dame, something like that, you know,
Speaker 1: a ha hi tier school. And he ended up at
Speaker 1: a to be honest, kind of a po dunk regional college.
Speaker 1: Now look, I'm not a college guy, per se. That
Speaker 1: is a determinate factor in your life is in my mind,
Speaker 1: largely overstated. Particularly when we consider the last several decades
Speaker 1: of just absolute distortion that system has gone through. But
Speaker 1: point is right, the deck is being stacked more and
Speaker 1: more aggressively, and so for parents who were trying to
Speaker 1: motivate their children, trying to get their children a good life,
Speaker 1: the pressure is mounting. But nonetheless that leaves us in
Speaker 1: a system with very little agency. You don't actually get
Speaker 1: to choose, you don't actually get to express any sort
Speaker 1: of courage. Really, you're checking off boxes. There's no for that.
Speaker 1: And so I think it's why so many of our
Speaker 1: guys have been drawn to entrepreneurship, have been drawn to
Speaker 1: making a run of it on their own. One because
Speaker 1: it's for many people one of the first times in
Speaker 1: the life in their life where they feel like they
Speaker 1: have access to what Kazinski would call the power process,
Speaker 1: decisions that meaningfully shape your life. But also because well,
Speaker 1: they've been locked out of the traditional way. They can't
Speaker 1: really get the job that their parents or grandparents expected
Speaker 1: they would, and so whether it's a push or a pull,
Speaker 1: they're on their own and in that situation. And I
Speaker 1: say this as technically a small businessman, technically someone who's
Speaker 1: self employed. It require me to admit that this is
Speaker 1: a job, which I mean, I work like it's a job,
Speaker 1: but you know it's kind of fake. But point is right.
Speaker 1: I see why that's attractive. And in that context, the
Speaker 1: example of Napo, the example of Caesar, the example of
Speaker 1: Alexander's vital that sort of decisive courage is something needed
Speaker 1: and it's something absent in much of culture. Now when
Speaker 1: we talk about risk, it's true the Generation Z in
Speaker 1: particular is risk averse. Look at how many of them drink,
Speaker 1: Look at how many of them have sex risky activities.
Speaker 1: The numbers are plunging off a cliff. Now, part of
Speaker 1: that has to do with an epidemic of loneliness and
Speaker 1: you know, weird sexual paraphilias. We will set that conversation
Speaker 1: aside for now, but a lot of it is that
Speaker 1: culture of risk avoidance. You were raised that any one
Speaker 1: thing could ruin your life. Well, if you get kicked
Speaker 1: out of school for a scuffle, well, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you aren't going to school. You aren't going to the school,
Speaker 1: and you aren't getting the job. And okay, sure that's
Speaker 1: a minute example, but it's echoed many times, and I
Speaker 1: have a feeling anyone under thirty knows what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: at least kind of right. You have been raised to
Speaker 1: be risk averse. Sorry, my cat's trying to eat a
Speaker 1: rubber band. Hopefully doesn't swallow it anyway, And that same
Speaker 1: attitude is expressed you through school, expressed to you at home.
Speaker 1: Every adult is constantly looking at you as if you
Speaker 1: were one bad decision away from blowing it all up.
Speaker 1: And to a certain degree that's true. You know you
Speaker 1: shouldn't do stupid things. But that over adversion to risk, well,
Speaker 1: you know it carries very real consequences. Now, conversely, we've
Speaker 1: also seen the rise of sports betting, of basically betting
Speaker 1: it all on black. Now, part of that, I think
Speaker 1: is due to a feeling of basically financial nihilism. You know,
Speaker 1: if I don't hit big, I'm never gonna win at all.
Speaker 1: So let's hit the casino, go to prediction markets, let's
Speaker 1: you know, make an eight like ignorant sports parlay. But
Speaker 1: I think another part of it is that desire for risk,
Speaker 1: that desire for agency. Okay, it may not be the
Speaker 1: most smart way to express it, but it's at least understandable. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe not the most appropriate reaction.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Maybe not the best situation for a society to be in,
Speaker 1: heavily financialized, heavily gambling dependent, but it's the situation we
Speaker 1: find ourselves in. It is regardless really of how you
Speaker 1: or I feel about it from a moral perspective. Now,
Speaker 1: other things that I think we have to bear in
Speaker 1: mind is there's no free lunch. There's really no way
Speaker 1: to get out of paying. You can shift those variables around,
Speaker 1: but there's a limited amount of optimization you can do.
Speaker 1: You see this in the kind of goofy Brian Johnson
Speaker 1: desire to live forever, you know, to to sort of
Speaker 1: balance your biomarkers so that you can have, according to him,
Speaker 1: the penis of an eighteen year old, the blood of
Speaker 1: a seven year old. This kind of ghoulish desire to
Speaker 1: live forever, to be a perfected being, and not in
Speaker 1: kind of Greek way, in a very bizarre Mormon scientific way.
Speaker 1: Sorry Mormons, it's probably rude, but I think he is
Speaker 1: a former LDS dude. Also, this is something that is
Speaker 1: very easily apparent in dating culture, the desire for prince charming,
Speaker 1: the desire for the person who will make everything perfect.
Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, this is kind of tied to the Catholic
Speaker 1: idea of lust. I think this is in Dante. It
Speaker 1: might be in Dante, if not. One of my Catholic
Speaker 1: friends said it to me, maybe Peter Kreeft, who I
Speaker 1: don't know, but you know what I mean. The idea
Speaker 1: is that lust is the idea that there is a
Speaker 1: person out there who can make you happy, who can
Speaker 1: fix your life. Obviously women have this as well, looking
Speaker 1: for you know, Prince Charming, the broody billionaire who reads
Speaker 1: and has washboard apps, who wants to marry a forty
Speaker 1: year old girl boss with frozen eggs. And that's laughable.
Speaker 1: That's not true, that's not real in either case. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know, if you're the north side of
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds, you're probably not gonna you know, score
Speaker 1: a you know, a ten out of ten trad wife.
Speaker 1: But the point is a choice needs to be made.
Speaker 1: You have a finite amount of life, and if you
Speaker 1: are going to settle down and have a family, you
Speaker 1: need to make a choice, a decisive one, a commitment,
Speaker 1: and that commitment will have drawbacks, there will be strengths
Speaker 1: and weaknesses, but that is the human condition. A decision
Speaker 1: must be made or you're simply sitting out of the game.
Speaker 1: We're waiting for conditions to improve, and they may well,
Speaker 1: they may well improve rather at some point in history.
Speaker 1: But the question is, well, are you alive?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: The old wisdom is the market can stay irrational longer
Speaker 1: than you can stay solvent, and that applies to many
Speaker 1: aspects of life. Modernity is very uncomfortable with commitment, very
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with the idea of a bond you can't immediately jet. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the sexual example is one that comes up very easily.
Speaker 1: But the idea of the chosen family that you see
Speaker 1: predominantly in trans circles is the same idea expressed differently.
Speaker 1: No bond is legitimate unless I choose it, and I
Speaker 1: can enter or leave it at any given point. But
Speaker 1: that is by no means a family. It is just
Speaker 1: as much a real family as the trans woman is
Speaker 1: a real woman. It's a synthetic, fabricated imitation of the
Speaker 1: real thing because it is chosen, because it is fundamentally rational.
Speaker 1: It is a decision weighed on a cost benefit system.
Speaker 1: Your real family isn't like that. You don't have to
Speaker 1: like your family to be bound to them. You didn't
Speaker 1: choose it. And this is exactly what we see from
Speaker 1: the progressives talking about immigration when they say it's not
Speaker 1: your country, you didn't choose it. That guy who walked
Speaker 1: across miles of rusty nails and broken glass, he's the
Speaker 1: guy who deserves it more than you because he chose,
Speaker 1: He sacrificed, he gave something up. And okay, I'll admit,
Speaker 1: you know, walking on miles of broken glass, it's certainly impressive.
Speaker 1: But I am an American. I didn't choose to be one.
Speaker 1: My family has been here for four hundred years. It's
Speaker 1: simply what I am. I couldn't be anything else. If
Speaker 1: I moved to South Africa or Austria or Somolia, I
Speaker 1: would be an American in Somalia or Austria or South Africa.
Speaker 1: That's what I would be. It's bone deep, it's unchosen.
Speaker 1: It is more real than the unchosen commitments. That is
Speaker 1: what defines us, that is what makes us who we are.
Speaker 1: And modernity can't stand this because it says, well, what
Speaker 1: if you don't want to be an American, what if
Speaker 1: you don't want to be a woman, Well it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: You are.
Speaker 1: That commitment, that choice, that bond was made for you,
Speaker 1: and that's what gives you identity. And for us, these
Speaker 1: sort of children of the ashes, children of a civilizational winter,
Speaker 1: who are uncomfortably one foot in one world and a
Speaker 1: desire to place that other foot in another. We can say,
Speaker 1: we can proclaim the importance of these unchosen bonds. But
Speaker 1: when it gets down, when it becomes time to make
Speaker 1: a decisive choice, one that will irreverably change change your
Speaker 1: life for good or for ill, you will never be
Speaker 1: the same person before or afterwards, we get uncomfortable, understandably,
Speaker 1: so it's a serious decision. But that is the time
Speaker 1: for decisive action. That is the time to make a choice.
Speaker 1: And again, if we're talking about what makes us unique,
Speaker 1: what makes the young men who make up the broad
Speaker 1: right people interested in timeless things, we've added a couple things.
Speaker 1: We've added a monopoly on men who care, a monopoly
Speaker 1: on adventure, and hopefully, I think this can be fostered
Speaker 1: a monopoly on decisive action. Anyway, we'll get into the interview.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: All right, Grit Colt. Welcome to the Jay Burden Show.
Speaker 1: How you doing that?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good. It's a pleasure to be.
Speaker 1: Here, definitely. It's always fun when you can use Twitter
Speaker 1: for you know what it's supposed to be used for,
Speaker 1: which is just the world's biggest roll of dex and
Speaker 1: you can you can meet people that you just hadn't
Speaker 1: come in contact with before. You and I we were
Speaker 1: put in contact by a few friends in a group chat,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I'm glad to have you on, but
Speaker 1: for my audience might not be familiar with you. Well,
Speaker 1: who are you and what do you do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that question itself is quite interesting.
Speaker 3: I always feel like who a man is is really
Speaker 3: by his actions, what he's done.
Speaker 2: What he does, and how he lives his life. So
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the best way to kind of.
Speaker 3: Like you know, give myself, like you know, to the
Speaker 3: audience is kind of describe what I've been doing, what
Speaker 3: I've done, and what's like, you know, the experiences that
Speaker 3: have shaped me. So, you know, studied you know, economics
Speaker 3: at university. From there really start into the whole philosophical
Speaker 3: you know, economic you know, heterodoxy kind of thought streams
Speaker 3: that were around the time that led me down to
Speaker 3: a path of like really exploring but not any technology,
Speaker 3: but also like crypto and crypto technology as an ideological
Speaker 3: kind of alternative to the current system that we live in.
Speaker 3: So from there, you know, also had a brief stint
Speaker 3: working at these very large consulting mega corporations. But for
Speaker 3: the last like you know, six years of most of
Speaker 3: my career has been working in very early stage startups,
Speaker 3: you know, growth consulting product like trying to building, strying
Speaker 3: to you know, put things out there, get feedback, hit
Speaker 3: the market. Like you know, it's been brutal, but it's
Speaker 3: also been very rewarding at the same time. Aside from that,
Speaker 3: you know, sorry, I'm just gonna go on a bit
Speaker 3: run no, yeah, but yeah, aside from that, it's kind
Speaker 3: of you know, been been building on Twitter, like you know,
Speaker 3: been posting, I've been sharing my thoughts for a very
Speaker 3: long time. I've been on you know, I've crossed past
Speaker 3: with some of your guests previously. We've got you know,
Speaker 3: quite a few friends overlapping as well. I've explored all
Speaker 3: sides of you know kind of like you know, the
Speaker 3: different thoughts and different you know, subcultures that have existed
Speaker 3: on Twitter. There's time all the way back to like
Speaker 3: the Pine Tree Boys, you know, the.
Speaker 2: Accelerationists, all all these kind of things.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, like Twitter is a great place
Speaker 3: kind of network meet people, and it's probably the greatest
Speaker 3: app in you know, my experience in my life. You know,
Speaker 3: I definitely spend an extreme amount of time on it,
Speaker 3: and it's also led to like you know, im mental
Speaker 3: career opportunities as well, you know, like you know, all
Speaker 3: these companies I worked with, it's been through Twitter primarily nowadays.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, any of your audience, our workers,
Speaker 3: I would, you know, tell them, look, start bursting, start networking,
Speaker 3: and start sharing what you sing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of things there. I did not get
Speaker 1: an economics degree, although I got a finance degree, And
Speaker 1: I'm curious to get your thoughts on those sort of
Speaker 1: programs because I went to and I won't box myself,
Speaker 1: but you know, a decent program you know, in that
Speaker 1: kind of like top tier, and I was honestly pretty
Speaker 1: unimpressed with who I found myself alongside. Now, there were
Speaker 1: certainly many people there who were much smarter than me,
Speaker 1: but it was a very interesting mentality. Part of the
Speaker 1: reason why I left that industry. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of and this is a term I'm going to Butcher,
Speaker 1: I'm stealing from you Brits right, the sort of first
Speaker 1: girl syndrome, you know, the sort of people who have
Speaker 1: collected all the gold stars and are looking for one
Speaker 1: more in this kind of sequence of like different gates
Speaker 1: they've passed through. And so I'm curious as someone who
Speaker 1: is you know, a founder, right, did you see other
Speaker 1: people like that in your program or were you kind
Speaker 1: of on your own in that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's in So I went I went
Speaker 2: to a pretty unique program.
Speaker 3: I went to probably dogs myself here, but like I
Speaker 3: went to the University of Budbeck and they're an evening school.
Speaker 3: They've got some pretty good alumni. Bag Rolls famously is
Speaker 3: one of them. So they were essentially like it was
Speaker 3: started as like the Workingman's University, like you know for workers,
Speaker 3: you know, after like.
Speaker 2: Their nine to five had come to the university.
Speaker 3: So, I mean I had a very heterodogus kind of
Speaker 3: like you know, study life, I guess in a sense
Speaker 3: because I was always the youngest person on like every
Speaker 3: course I was on, and I was like, so I
Speaker 3: was next to like, you know, a thirty five year
Speaker 3: old you know who's he was into the university for
Speaker 3: the first time, or like a guy who's just like
Speaker 3: you know, who goes to study for fun. So it
Speaker 3: was a pretty strange experience. But I mean the university
Speaker 3: was definitely it was definitely like tilted more towards like
Speaker 3: the Marxist kind of you know, very socialist, Fabian society
Speaker 3: kind of people. I mean, at least that's what they're
Speaker 3: kind of espousing. And that's why I really started into
Speaker 3: a wok like you know, cryptoiarchy and a Cais libertarian
Speaker 3: school of thought, which was not very explored you know
Speaker 3: at this you know, London University. So and in terms
Speaker 3: of like the coreho of people, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 3: think I think in general in life there's just like,
Speaker 3: you know, these people that just kind of like follow
Speaker 3: the rules all the instructions and you know, they you know,
Speaker 3: colleged two hundred dollars, you know, every time to hit
Speaker 3: go whatever. So I mean not that surprises me. I
Speaker 3: think I've always had like it's always a streak of rebellions,
Speaker 3: you know, rebellion in me. So like I was, did
Speaker 3: find myself Bill and outside of so yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I don't think that answers your question directly, but.
Speaker 1: Out of personal curiosity because you know how it is,
Speaker 1: and you meet certain people from a background that's not
Speaker 1: the same as yours, and you wonder was my experience
Speaker 1: reflected right so you post a lot on social media
Speaker 1: about boldness decisive action, and you had a great I
Speaker 1: think you called it a manifesto on telegram, originally posted
Speaker 1: to Twitter, talking about the tax, that there is no
Speaker 1: free lunch. Any decision you make comes with a cost.
Speaker 1: And oftentimes I see you guys both just kind of
Speaker 1: you know, our guys for whatever that term means. And
Speaker 1: also people in broader culture sort of looking to optimize, right,
Speaker 1: looking to find that perfect path with no downsides. And yeah,
Speaker 1: especially if you have sort of a engineering mindset. Nothing
Speaker 1: against engineers, but that desire to optimize a system, it
Speaker 1: can lead to a sort of paralysis, right, a refusal
Speaker 1: to act. Yeah, and so I'm curious if you could
Speaker 1: one explain that idea of the tax, and then well,
Speaker 1: why is decisive action the correct course of decided? Saying
Speaker 1: action in twice in one sentence is horrible English, but
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, why is that the way
Speaker 1: to do it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So I think with that piece, I'm trying to, like
Speaker 3: I was trying to outline the fact and no matter
Speaker 3: what you do, there will be some like you know,
Speaker 3: cost of to to it. So, like you know, decision
Speaker 3: or indecision I mean that itself is you know, kind
Speaker 3: of a binary, and like either of those options, you know,
Speaker 3: there's like, you know, even paths you go down, there's good,
Speaker 3: there's gonna be outcomes that you may not predicted.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be downsides.
Speaker 3: And I think the best way to kind of illustrate
Speaker 3: these points is when it comes down to.
Speaker 2: Men finding a wife.
Speaker 3: I am of the belief that men's natural for you
Speaker 3: to you know, want to have sex, but also want
Speaker 3: to find a partner and start a family. I think, like,
Speaker 3: you know, if we if we think like ancestrally, like
Speaker 3: our you know, our evolution you know, has like pushed
Speaker 3: us towards you know, starting and raising family. And the
Speaker 3: fact that like most meant my age, you know, late twenties, thirties,
Speaker 3: like you know, they don't have a family these days.
Speaker 3: And I think that is causing a huge evolutionary mismatch.
Speaker 3: And you know, we we have like all these desires
Speaker 3: and I think there's like these you know, this whole
Speaker 3: Paleolithic movement. But one thing that's not talked about in
Speaker 3: the Paleolithic movement is like how naturally it is for
Speaker 3: like a man to have a family.
Speaker 2: And I think you know.
Speaker 3: The upstream causes of that is the indecision of like
Speaker 3: finding a wife, finding a woman. So you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to be like one of those guys who
Speaker 3: just be like you know, like you know, the tradcap.
Speaker 2: Guys will be like, yeah, just get a wife, get everything.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3: I'm saying like, you know, you're not going to be
Speaker 3: able to like optimize the perfect ten out of ten.
Speaker 3: In the kind of like red pill sphere, there's always
Speaker 3: this notion that a ten out of ten never exists.
Speaker 3: Every woman you meet is going to have some downside,
Speaker 3: and you know the tax or you know you must
Speaker 3: pay the tax is like kind of a another illustration
Speaker 3: of that kind of you know idea.
Speaker 2: It's like, no matter what you do, there is.
Speaker 3: Going to be some sort of burden, there's going to
Speaker 3: be some cost attached to it. And I mean, like
Speaker 3: you know, we could like talk and go into the
Speaker 3: whole path of like you know, we live in a
Speaker 3: fallen world and you know everything is going to be
Speaker 3: drudgery and you know from the brow and so on.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean that's just like an acceptance of like, look,
Speaker 3: you know you were given you know, various tools at
Speaker 3: your disposal, and you need to take the best of them.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that runs very deeply in
Speaker 3: my character I feel, is like this whole like optimism,
Speaker 3: Like no matter what the situation is, like you should,
Speaker 3: like you know, just due.
Speaker 2: To your human nature, just due to like you know, being.
Speaker 3: An animal man in a sense, so like you should,
Speaker 3: like you know, try to overcome various precarious situations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is something that we are very willing
Speaker 1: to point out in women because and when I'm talking
Speaker 1: about women as a class, you understand what I mean,
Speaker 1: of course, right, the kind of you can have it
Speaker 1: all girl boss fantasy. You can be the high power
Speaker 1: to executive, you can freeze your eggs, you can get
Speaker 1: married at forty and still have a family and make
Speaker 1: no sacrifices for that. And that's plainly ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: We see that dysfunction constantly, But when it comes to us,
Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, our priorities, it becomes
Speaker 1: much harder, Right, And I think that there is a
Speaker 1: there's an uncomfortable reality the fact that you've got a
Speaker 1: very finite life span, right, You've only got so much
Speaker 1: time to play, And look, I see a lot of
Speaker 1: guys myself who are accurately pointing out that we're kind
Speaker 1: of being screwed. You know, there's certain things that are
Speaker 1: now harder than they would have been in a previous era.
Speaker 1: And that's true. But the problem is if you let
Speaker 1: that analysis halt you from taking any action, like, oh,
Speaker 1: dating is horrible, so I'm going to sit it out,
Speaker 1: or oh the economy is horrible, so I'm just going
Speaker 1: to wait for you know you or you know, on
Speaker 1: shoring industry, any of these things that may or may
Speaker 1: not be happening. It's like, well, okay, man, you've only
Speaker 1: got x number of years left, You've only got a
Speaker 1: finite number of hands, and if you keep folding every time,
Speaker 1: well you're sort of losing out to entropy. And that
Speaker 1: doesn't that doesn't mean that you have been given a
Speaker 1: good hand of cards to continue belaboring this poker analogy.
Speaker 1: But it does mean that there is a cost to inaction, right.
Speaker 1: It's sure it's not necessarily the catastrophic loss of betting
Speaker 1: it all and losing it all, but there's a bleed, right,
Speaker 1: there's a slow entropy to it. Even setting aside what
Speaker 1: that sort of passivity does to your psyche, particularly as
Speaker 1: a guy, and so I think that there is a
Speaker 1: danger in even correct analysis that it will lead to
Speaker 1: this sort of an action. And it's funny because, like
Speaker 1: I said, I was not aware of your social media
Speaker 1: platform until you know, we got connected. But I'm going
Speaker 1: through and I'll admit I'm a fan of Napoleon, not
Speaker 1: to the degree that many people are, but that that
Speaker 1: classic aphorism right action, action, action or courage, courage, courage,
Speaker 1: however you translate it, that idea that you need to
Speaker 1: do something decisive and bold to win the day. I
Speaker 1: mean that's common in all of the great man of history.
Speaker 1: Like I'm a sort of a seize a boo whatever
Speaker 1: you would call a fan of Julius Caesar. You see,
Speaker 1: the exact same thing, even when right the initial sort
Speaker 1: of way the table is laid is not in your favor. Sorry,
Speaker 1: a bit of a rant there, grit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean it's all good to rant. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: I think like, especially in the online political kind of
Speaker 3: like you know, reactionary circle, it is very common. And
Speaker 3: I've like known a lot of those guys, I've seen them,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I feel like over intellectualism is always going
Speaker 3: to be a very corrosive thing. I think you should
Speaker 3: always pair it with you know, not only action, but
Speaker 3: like you know, just doing things and kind of learning
Speaker 3: like by a different mode, different means by actually like
Speaker 3: you know, doing things, experiencing things. I can't remember the
Speaker 3: Greek term for it, but yeah, like that's my whole
Speaker 3: kind of thesis.
Speaker 2: So that's what I've kind of just like really gone
Speaker 2: deeper into this whole. You know. I like working, I like,
Speaker 2: you know, building things, and.
Speaker 3: I think there is a whole kind of undercurrent of
Speaker 3: like you know, neat culture. Don't get me wrong, I've
Speaker 3: been in meat, I've lived off you mysterious sources of
Speaker 3: income as well. But I think it's like, if you
Speaker 3: get too deep into that, we do end up in
Speaker 3: a territory where like you just you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: it looks similar to the lifestyle of like a hipster stoner,
Speaker 3: and it's if your lifestyle is exactly the same as
Speaker 3: like that. You know, I think the ideology that you
Speaker 3: have is just a lie that you're telling yourself. And
Speaker 3: I think this is very common in like, you know,
Speaker 3: debates I have with religious people. I say like, okay,
Speaker 3: you're like, you know, let's let's take a look, let's
Speaker 3: take a stock of your life. Right, So you you know,
Speaker 3: you don't go pray, you don't go congregation, you don't
Speaker 3: need all these things. Your life is secular based around consumerism. Like,
Speaker 3: how are you different from an atheist? So I think
Speaker 3: that's the very same of like you know, barb Stoners,
Speaker 3: all these people that you know, everyone likes to denegrade.
Speaker 3: But like if you're living in the exact same, similar
Speaker 3: kind of ways, then you know, how are you different?
Speaker 2: Is my kind of philosophy here.
Speaker 1: Oh, and I think the religious analogy is is apt
Speaker 1: that look like Twitter is great, social media is great,
Speaker 1: but there's an open question is you know, is this
Speaker 1: something true about you? Is this a part of your
Speaker 1: identity or is this a brand on social media?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Is this something that has actually kind of worked its
Speaker 1: way into your bones? And a lot of that comes
Speaker 1: down to what do you actually do? And this is
Speaker 1: a technically religious idea, but it's broadly applicable that effectively
Speaker 1: your time is worship, right, that is what changes you
Speaker 1: in one way or another. And of course, you know,
Speaker 1: the line goes, you know, man cannot serve two masters
Speaker 1: and of course, you know, we all have divided attentions,
Speaker 1: but functionally, no matter what you say, how you're living
Speaker 1: your life determines what you are. So I want to
Speaker 1: pull back a little bit into a kind of broader
Speaker 1: discussion about the kind of you mentioned, the kind of
Speaker 1: crypto anarchy crypto space, which I'll admit I do not
Speaker 1: know a ton about. I sort of funded my way
Speaker 1: through college day trading ethereum. But you know that there
Speaker 1: was not the most sophisticated strategy, I'll put it that way.
Speaker 1: And it seems as if there are some efforts to
Speaker 1: sort of legitimate cryptocurrency and with that obviously comes a
Speaker 1: kind of like ossifying effect, right, it's less of a
Speaker 1: wild West, But like where is attention now? Obviously bitcoin
Speaker 1: is what hits the timeline, but like, what's the interesting
Speaker 1: part of that industry right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's then a barbell aspect to the current crypto industry.
Speaker 4: One is that there's this whole institutionalizing pause that's happening.
Speaker 4: So we've seen companies like Stripe develop their own blockchains
Speaker 4: Tempo and they you know, trying to build on these
Speaker 4: blockchain rails. Across border settlement is way more efficient on
Speaker 4: blockchain rails, and it's kind of like you know, taking
Speaker 4: over a stable coin settlement across borders. So you have
Speaker 4: the institutions, the guys in suits, and the other side
Speaker 4: you still have the dg AND culture. So the dj
Speaker 4: AND culture, you know, it was kind of more very libertarian.
Speaker 4: Now it's just pure speculation and you have all these
Speaker 4: like people just like trying to make as much money
Speaker 4: and extract as much as they can in a short
Speaker 4: period of time, and it's become very PvP. So I mean,
Speaker 4: those are the two layers that we can kind of
Speaker 4: find ourselves in.
Speaker 2: And on the speculation side, it's a whole like gambling
Speaker 2: aspect to it.
Speaker 3: So like you know, pump fun is a meme coin
Speaker 3: launch pad where you can likely launch a coin and
Speaker 3: then you you know, you can buy it and then in.
Speaker 2: The hopes of like it builds life changing money.
Speaker 3: So there's a whole casino on one side, and then
Speaker 3: of the institutions you know on the other side. So
Speaker 3: that that thing, that's it's kind of state of crypto
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It also it's interesting, you know the old the joke
Speaker 1: right about the big short is, you know, when they
Speaker 1: went to the strip club and they saw that, you know,
Speaker 1: the strippers were taking out loans. They realized it was
Speaker 1: all done. And obviously the the kind of combined failures
Speaker 1: of ft X and then Celsius. Uh, And look, you know,
Speaker 1: I lost some money there too, So I'm not going
Speaker 1: to present myself as some sort of a you know,
Speaker 1: wise see or in this. But is there a danger
Speaker 1: in that sort of oversaturation because it felt like right
Speaker 1: before that, particularly like FTX and Celsius had gotten very
Speaker 1: very mainstream, you know, you had kind of s tier celebrities,
Speaker 1: you know, major you know, sporting league sponsored by these
Speaker 1: So I'm curious and I realized it's a genuine or
Speaker 1: a generalized and uneducated question. But you know, I am
Speaker 1: what I am, grit. Uh, how do you think that
Speaker 1: there's this or do you think there's an interplay between
Speaker 1: the kind of like dumb money general population and that
Speaker 1: sort of casino because it seems as if we've sort
Speaker 1: of reached a point where a lot of people are
Speaker 1: very very cautious about putting their money into that casino.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've seen these series of kind of celebrity
Speaker 1: rug pulls, the infamous you know, Hawktua coin others like that.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that is a permanent thing or
Speaker 1: do you think that that's sort of a teething problem
Speaker 1: in this industry.
Speaker 2: I think it's a permanent saying.
Speaker 3: I think it's more to do with human nature than
Speaker 3: any specific industry.
Speaker 2: I think it is always going to be full set.
Speaker 3: Will you know, lose their money, and every industry you
Speaker 3: look at, like especially in the markets, you know, eighty
Speaker 3: percent of people will lose their money and give it
Speaker 3: to the top twenty percent. It's like the same that
Speaker 3: I'm appears in crypto as well. You have like people
Speaker 3: from the Third world losing their life savings in some
Speaker 3: you know, scam coin, and.
Speaker 2: That's very common.
Speaker 3: I would advise, I advise most people just like you know,
Speaker 3: donocost average or you know, I mean S and P
Speaker 3: has been doing pretty like, you know, very good as well.
Speaker 3: So I would even suggest like, yeah, just you know,
Speaker 3: buy some stocks and shares.
Speaker 2: This is a this is a jungle, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, and and someone of profoundly limited intelligence, have I've
Speaker 1: learned that I am just I have to invest like
Speaker 1: a retard or I will lose my shirt. I had
Speaker 1: a friend no longer a friend who is really into
Speaker 1: the kind of first wave of DeFi and he sunk like,
Speaker 1: you know, big money into a project. I put in
Speaker 1: you know, a commensurate like a you know, a decent
Speaker 1: amount for a guy in my situation, but not a lot,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, both of us lost our shirts. He
Speaker 1: lost a lot more. He basically had to restart his life.
Speaker 1: And I learned variable very valuable lesson, which is I'm
Speaker 1: not smart enough to do this, which you know, better
Speaker 1: to learn that at.
Speaker 3: Empty I guess, I mean, so with the experience, I
Speaker 3: think that's too like takee with like most people.
Speaker 2: I think most people they get greedy, they want to like,
Speaker 2: you know, get a quick run.
Speaker 3: But like, oh look, I put like, you know, fifty
Speaker 3: k into this and it goes like five x whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, I can buy a house and you know,
Speaker 2: start my life.
Speaker 3: So I think, I mean, I think that's the wrong
Speaker 3: way of like thinking about things.
Speaker 2: I think about life. I think, like, you know, try
Speaker 2: and do like a shortcut.
Speaker 3: It doesn't always work, even though I do appreciate the
Speaker 3: risk take and it's just like ye very.
Speaker 2: Low little brow.
Speaker 3: And there's loads of loads of loads of these stories
Speaker 3: in the crypto industry.
Speaker 2: Pretty much everyone has one.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I'm generally like risk off when
Speaker 3: it comes to these kind of things. I will allocate
Speaker 3: you know, a very short amount a small amount of
Speaker 3: money to like things, and then if I if I'm right,
Speaker 3: I'm right. If I'm wrong, then you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to lose any sleep over these kind of things.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the best way to kind of
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: And I think I think the best people who kind
Speaker 3: of make MOE into these things from my experience, have
Speaker 3: been like those that are very very kind of like
Speaker 3: you know, plugged in. They have to be online like
Speaker 3: eighteen hours a day and they're very quick in and out.
Speaker 3: Even those guys like will make mistakes and lose everything.
Speaker 3: But like, I think that's a degree of which you
Speaker 3: have to kind of approach this is like, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: like it's always on industry and you have to kind
Speaker 3: of understand the dynamic and culture and all these like
Speaker 3: you know, microtel and all these signals as well. So yeah,
Speaker 3: for most people, I'll be like, yeah, like, there's there's
Speaker 3: no point for people to get in.
Speaker 2: I think I think, you know, if you're going to
Speaker 2: get in, get in fully. Otherwise, you know, stay out.
Speaker 1: Well, that's an interesting thing going back to that idea
Speaker 1: of like the tax or the trade off where look
Speaker 1: like I didn't have you know, a stellar experience in
Speaker 1: uh when I when I got my degree, but there
Speaker 1: are sort of a couple lessons carried with me. And
Speaker 1: you know that the simple principle that you know, interest
Speaker 1: is payment for risk, which you know, Okay, it's not
Speaker 1: the most high level analysis, but uh that reframes a
Speaker 1: lot of things, right, like, well, there's a reason the
Speaker 1: potential payout is so high, and that's because it's so
Speaker 1: is the risk, right, And uh yeah, look like you
Speaker 1: know I did, you know quite well just kind of
Speaker 1: you know, holding right, you know, particularly during the like
Speaker 1: extreme COVID dip where it was basically is the world
Speaker 1: going to end? You know, might as well just kind
Speaker 1: of dump some money into the market because we're into
Speaker 1: crypto as well, because it's like, well, you know, either
Speaker 1: this works or it doesn't matter, in which case I
Speaker 1: won't be missing the money, right, But uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: think there is that sort of like chasing the dragon
Speaker 1: thing as well, where people look at the ten fifteen
Speaker 1: year graph, you know, and it's like, oh, well we
Speaker 1: can replicate that we can do that again, and I
Speaker 1: mean maybe, but it's a fun It's a fundamentally different world, right,
Speaker 1: not to say it's a saturated market, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot more things happening, and so that sort of like
Speaker 1: first to market exclusivity is sort of gone. And I mean,
Speaker 1: look like whether it's low level kind of consumer investing
Speaker 1: like Robin Hood, which really came in but like five
Speaker 1: six years ago, or the kind of proliferation of sports betting,
Speaker 1: there is this weird thing where especially for young guys,
Speaker 1: they're sort of like overdosing on risk, you know, this
Speaker 1: kind of like very casino mindset, which is fun. I
Speaker 1: get it, but it is, in my mind, not necessarily
Speaker 1: an investing strategy. It's just gambling with mister steps.
Speaker 2: So I have a see comments. Yeah, so one is
Speaker 2: the topology of risk.
Speaker 3: So like when I basically you know, finished my quote
Speaker 3: unquote education, I was thrust.
Speaker 2: I wanted to like, you know, I've got a normal job,
Speaker 2: you know, very respectable.
Speaker 3: And if I stayed in that industry, if I stayed
Speaker 3: in that job, like I would have done moderately, well,
Speaker 3: I would have been a very different person, was sure,
Speaker 3: But like you know, it would it would.
Speaker 2: Have been bad. I would have you know, it would
Speaker 2: have been okay.
Speaker 3: So but and then the other path I took was
Speaker 3: it was more risk on in the sense that I
Speaker 3: wanted to work in an industry that was rising, it
Speaker 3: was fast as exciting, and it wasn't already tested. That's
Speaker 3: one thing, so you know, I knew the chances of failure.
Speaker 3: Failure exceeded the chances of success. And then not only
Speaker 3: in that industry that you know, I did that, but
Speaker 3: I also worked in very early stage startups. Pretty much
Speaker 3: every company, every startup, our work group you know, has failed.
Speaker 3: You know, some have succeeded, some of like you know,
Speaker 3: still around, some like you know, most of them haven't.
Speaker 3: And you know, through that failure, like you learn, I
Speaker 3: think a lot more.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things in my twenties.
Speaker 3: I want to optimize book It's like how much can
Speaker 3: I learn, you know, how close can I get to
Speaker 3: you know, providing value to people, customers, consumers, users, whatever
Speaker 3: you want to call them. And then from that, I
Speaker 3: mean that that was also another risk. So, like my
Speaker 3: skill set probably exceed someone that would have just stayed
Speaker 3: in a very corporate job. The smartest kid I went
Speaker 3: to is still a middle manager E. M. Kinsey, but
Speaker 3: due to me kind of like taking a risk on
Speaker 3: pers like you know, my outcomes over a longer period
Speaker 3: of time, you know, kind of outside his. So I
Speaker 3: mean that's one aspect of you know risk, Like you know,
Speaker 3: there's other ways of looking at risk. You know, if
Speaker 3: you work at stuff like there's you know, it's readything safer, but.
Speaker 2: Like you know, there's still huge upside.
Speaker 3: And like look, if you look at the people who
Speaker 3: worked at Cursor or Anthroptig, they're pretty much retired within
Speaker 3: a few years. So that kind of technology of risk.
Speaker 3: I think it's not only just like you know, ambling
Speaker 3: your money, but there's also like how you live your life.
Speaker 2: And I think.
Speaker 3: The decisions that you make and traces of your life
Speaker 3: will you know, have like various risk attached to them
Speaker 3: and goes back to your earlier point regarding you know,
Speaker 3: you must pay the tax.
Speaker 2: So that's one thing.
Speaker 3: And then you ever saying is modern man, you know,
Speaker 3: it's stuck in a hyper modern, post capitalist whatever you
Speaker 3: want to call it, like society, Like we're in an
Speaker 3: extremely you know, priated space. You know, there's all these
Speaker 3: kind of like structures and superstructures kind of surrounding us.
Speaker 3: So like, and I think one thing that's kind of
Speaker 3: been emergent is this form of hyper gammlification.
Speaker 2: And this is an essay I wrote on X a
Speaker 2: while ago.
Speaker 3: Last year sometime, is that like every aspect of human
Speaker 3: existence has kind of formed into a form of gambling.
Speaker 2: And you know, we could like say this has always
Speaker 2: been the case.
Speaker 3: You know, like with humans and hunter gatherers trying to
Speaker 3: you know, like going a hard it's a gamble whatever.
Speaker 3: And I actually pointed out in another essay, but like
Speaker 3: with modern society, it's like our apps, the feeds that
Speaker 3: we're looking at, the you know, the algorithms. It all
Speaker 3: functions around like big payoffs, but like the limited downside,
Speaker 3: so everyone's just like frolling. Just pulling of the timeline
Speaker 3: is very similar to a pulling of a slot machine.
Speaker 2: I think that's my design. Like what poll will you get?
Speaker 2: You know what, like you know, rare video will you get? What?
Speaker 2: Will you know? Hit your dopamine? So that's one thing.
Speaker 3: And I think just because everything is like super striated
Speaker 3: in like the normal world, you know, you have access
Speaker 3: to social media and they're just like uncapped upside.
Speaker 2: To social media now.
Speaker 3: So and this is another essay I wrote, like I
Speaker 3: think like two weeks ago about eggs and with eggs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's changed my life.
Speaker 3: I'm assuming it's going to be changing you know, your
Speaker 3: life as well, like the trajectory that you're on and like,
Speaker 3: you know, decisions you've taken due to the exposure to X.
Speaker 3: We met through a friend, you know, a mutual friend
Speaker 3: on X who I've known for about almost ten years now,
Speaker 3: A met me in person all through X. So people
Speaker 3: see that normally see that, and like, I think that's
Speaker 3: kind of like you know, shifting the largest society or
Speaker 3: kind of mindset to like if I just make a
Speaker 3: funny dance on TikTok, I can change my life. And
Speaker 3: that's exactly what happened with many many people. You know,
Speaker 3: hawk To whoever her name is, Halie Welsh, Like he's
Speaker 3: an example. So I think like this media has kind
Speaker 3: of like you know, it's conditioning us to think of like, oh,
Speaker 3: I just need one big hit too, you know, to
Speaker 3: change my life an instructor some degree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that we've spoken kind of there
Speaker 1: is a certain negative aspect to it, but I think
Speaker 1: that there is also something white healthy, which is like
Speaker 1: risk allows for agency, or to use an older term, courage.
Speaker 1: And I think that for a lot of people in
Speaker 1: the kind of thirty and down, there was this feeling
Speaker 1: that you know, going through school, going through this kind
Speaker 1: of series of checks was kind of on a knife edge, right,
Speaker 1: you had to you know, And I think of like
Speaker 1: the admissions into school in the US, which has gotten
Speaker 1: even more ridiculous since I went through ten years ago,
Speaker 1: where you know, parents are basically micromanaging their children, trying
Speaker 1: to stack, sort and optimize you know, their GPA achievements
Speaker 1: and other things different you know, micro factors so that
Speaker 1: they can compete in this sorting system, so that they
Speaker 1: can compete for an internship, so that they can compete for,
Speaker 1: you know, eventually one of these kind of coveted jobs.
Speaker 1: And yeah, sure that requires a lot of dedication, a
Speaker 1: lot of IQ. I'm not going to take that away,
Speaker 1: but that is fundamentally, I mean, that is a track.
Speaker 1: There's not much agency allowed. You were checking off an
Speaker 1: incredible number of boxes, and so yeah, departing from that
Speaker 1: brings a risk with it. There is a possibility for
Speaker 1: great upside as well as downside. But I think that
Speaker 1: there is an opportunity for agency courage if you want
Speaker 1: to use an older word. It is really attractive to
Speaker 1: young men because it's very rare. You're not allowed to
Speaker 1: make choices in that way, and once you've had that
Speaker 1: taste of being kind of out on your own. And
Speaker 1: I say, this is someone who is self employed and
Speaker 1: has been in a series of sort of odd, highly
Speaker 1: unstructured roles, you know, whether it kind of like sales
Speaker 1: jobs or other sort of industries where that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's incredibly attractive to a certain sort of guy, especially
Speaker 1: if it's been sort of hidden from you. You see what
Speaker 1: I'm getting at their grit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there is a sense of adventure. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, I know a.
Speaker 3: Bunch of people that are like, you know, just you know,
Speaker 3: buying one way tickets to certain places in the world, picking.
Speaker 2: Up random jobs. Yeah, And I'm all for that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm pro just like, hey, just like figure
Speaker 3: it out and then obviously time will come where you
Speaker 3: have actually a quiet results.
Speaker 2: And I think it's also.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I feel like it's there is an
Speaker 3: aspect to it that's always been in society, Like I mean,
Speaker 3: Confucianism is probably, like you know, ancient China is probably
Speaker 3: like the most extreme example of people you know, just
Speaker 3: setting exams and wrote tutoring.
Speaker 2: So that's one example.
Speaker 3: But like even even in like you know, different societies,
Speaker 3: I think that's been the case, and there's always been
Speaker 3: on the current of like adventurism. But I don't know,
Speaker 3: like I think maybe maybe it's more common now.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I don't even necessarily know if it's more common, But
Speaker 1: I can see why guys want it, you know, I
Speaker 1: can see why that's such an attractive thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: especially when I think for a lot of guys there's
Speaker 1: sort of the feeling that they don't have another choice,
Speaker 1: that it's basically there, you know, if they're going to
Speaker 1: make it right, it's this kind of internet aphorism goes,
Speaker 1: they're going to have to do it themselves. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, look like I think that's that is a
Speaker 1: silver lining to what is often presented as a as
Speaker 1: a cloud, so to speak. So grit to refocus this slightly.
Speaker 1: We've mentioned before Napoleon. You had an edit out the
Speaker 1: other day when I was rolling through your timeline that
Speaker 1: I particularly enjoyed because look, the edit is the art
Speaker 1: form of the twenty first century, at least so far.
Speaker 1: And I'm curious, right, how were you drawn to this figure?
Speaker 1: You know, what do you like about him? And uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: why do you keep mentioning it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think I'm in awe at what a human being
Speaker 3: can achieve. And I mean just some of the stories
Speaker 3: I read about him and understand about him, it's like
Speaker 3: I'm you're thinking, like, wow, this is this is quite something.
Speaker 3: And and I think it's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 3: the whole purpose of myth. You know, there's a whole
Speaker 3: meme that goes around that says, you know, actually, actually
Speaker 3: it's real, you are not. I think I kind of
Speaker 3: speaks to something. And I think this is like, you know,
Speaker 3: in vain of that. And I haven't a tweet that,
Speaker 3: you know, Hitler wanted to be like Napoleon. Napoleon wanted
Speaker 3: to be like Caesar, season wanted to be like Alexander,
Speaker 3: and Alexander wanted.
Speaker 2: To be like Achilles. And I think it's just that
Speaker 2: kind of like aspect of hero worship. And I think,
Speaker 2: like I think these figures.
Speaker 3: Having like idolizing, maybe idolizing it is a bit of
Speaker 3: a strong word. I don't like it, but you know,
Speaker 3: like looking up and having reverence for people who have
Speaker 3: achieved things is a good thing.
Speaker 2: And I think people.
Speaker 3: You know, in our kind of sphere, so to speak,
Speaker 3: even the a bit outside it.
Speaker 2: But I think it's like there.
Speaker 3: Is value of like value and achievement in the general sense,
Speaker 3: like no matter who has done something, you should achieve it,
Speaker 3: no matter your background, no matter their background or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like you know, I think we should you recognize that.
Speaker 3: And I think that's like a just common theme of
Speaker 3: like you know, human nature in love general sense of like, yeah,
Speaker 3: like what he did was quite extraordinary. And I think
Speaker 3: this kind of like culture like demonizing quote unquote strength,
Speaker 3: which you know people use or you know whatever power
Speaker 3: in another way, I think is like has led to
Speaker 3: you know, various decays of you know, social norms and structure.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, hopefully that since I mean with Napoleon,
Speaker 3: it's like he just had like such a large impact
Speaker 3: in society that we kind of take for granted. School system,
Speaker 3: Margarine use it. Yeah, like the various legal aspects, you know,
Speaker 3: modern fighting and army structure. I mean, there's just so much.
Speaker 1: French cooking, right, he's sort of in a weird way
Speaker 1: dictated the structure of a French kitchen anyway.
Speaker 2: Sorry, oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, military. Yeah. And I
Speaker 2: and I think like.
Speaker 3: It is good to kind of like call these people
Speaker 3: up in Reverends and I think that it's like undercurrent
Speaker 3: of culture that's just like very anti that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I mean one hundred percent. Man, I
Speaker 1: think that there's a couple there's a couple of aspects
Speaker 1: to it. I'm glad you brought up hero worship because
Speaker 1: one of my favorite books ever is Thomas Carlyle's on Heroes,
Speaker 1: hero Worship, and the Heroic and History. I think I've
Speaker 1: got that title right. He's Victorian, so all the titles
Speaker 1: are like five times longer than they should be, but
Speaker 1: he basically talks about exactly that. He's like, look, hero
Speaker 1: worship is the basis of civilization. You have you know,
Speaker 1: Caesar crying in the temple looking at a bust of
Speaker 1: Alexander Napoleon, you know, living in conscious imitation of those
Speaker 1: two men. You know, Washington, I realized you're a breat
Speaker 1: might be a source of source of OBJ but doing
Speaker 1: a similar thing looking at Cincinnatus and then Lee himself right,
Speaker 1: considering that he was a he thought himself a failure
Speaker 1: in relation to Washington. But point is, each one of
Speaker 1: these men had that sort of conscious imitation, and you know,
Speaker 1: the denigration of the great man his theory of history.
Speaker 1: Funny enough, a line from Carlisle himself is I think
Speaker 1: a certain part of it is just like civilizational sour grapes,
Speaker 1: which is like, well, I'm not anything like that, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to feel bad, so you're not allowed
Speaker 1: to like them. But I mean another part of it
Speaker 1: is this like deliberate focusing on the other kind of
Speaker 1: more venial aspects of it, like the Napoleon movie where
Speaker 1: it's like, well, we're not really interested in Napoleon as
Speaker 1: a great general, We're interested in how much of a
Speaker 1: simp he was? Now is that true? Discussion for another day?
Speaker 1: Or Alexander right, well, Alexander may have conquered the world,
Speaker 1: but did you know that he was gay? He was
Speaker 1: a gay alcoholic And it's like, well, I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe man, but like I don't care about Genghis Khan
Speaker 1: because he was nice to his mom. You know, he
Speaker 1: changed the world. That's the interesting thing. That's the way
Speaker 1: that he sort of remade history. And I think a
Speaker 1: lot of those discussions are in bad faith. A lot
Speaker 1: of those people don't seem to be actually concerned with
Speaker 1: the history of it. It is much more I want
Speaker 1: to tear down something great or I want to minimize
Speaker 1: something great. We can psychologize as to why, but I
Speaker 1: know exactly what you're talking about, and it's why I'm
Speaker 1: always interested in like a guy's favorite historical figures, his heroes,
Speaker 1: because it does sort of tell you a lot about
Speaker 1: a man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, so it's probably has been kind of biased
Speaker 3: to Napoleon, and yeah, I totally agree with all that.
Speaker 2: I think is very much due to you know, it's
Speaker 2: downstream of.
Speaker 3: Like many bad things, you French Enlightenment and you know,
Speaker 3: the Marxist kind of discourse of.
Speaker 2: Class warfare. I think of the course it not does.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I don't really like to prescribe
Speaker 3: things as good a bad in history, but that's that's
Speaker 3: my kind of take on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure thing. Man. Uh So, as we sort of
Speaker 1: you bring this bring this to a close, if you could,
Speaker 1: could you sort of give sort of the pitch right
Speaker 1: the kind of you know, action items because I look
Speaker 1: at my demos and there's a lot of guys in
Speaker 1: you know, our age demo to a little bit younger
Speaker 1: and you know, look, I get it, man, you're not
Speaker 1: you're not a counselor. I'm not asking you for for
Speaker 1: life advice, but like, what's the practical conclusion to this,
Speaker 1: right Where is there sort of an opportunity for that
Speaker 1: decisive action even in the face of risk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a interesting ask.
Speaker 3: I would like to kind of say that, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean when I kind of give advice, I always
Speaker 3: trying to give it in terms of in the lens
Speaker 3: of like this is why I did and this.
Speaker 2: Is why I did it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would say, like, try to seek out
Speaker 3: the you know, less trodden path, whether that's risky or not.
Speaker 3: You know, that's a whatever to decide. And then I
Speaker 3: would say, like, think think of your life. And this
Speaker 3: isn't some advice I read and it really stuck with me,
Speaker 3: is think of your life in terms of third So
Speaker 3: the first third of your life should be in like education,
Speaker 3: you should be learning. And that's why I've done I've
Speaker 3: I chose a career path that would optimize me for
Speaker 3: like learning more than you know, like.
Speaker 2: A stable check salary.
Speaker 3: That's one thing, like try and learn as much as
Speaker 3: you can in you know, we're in that first third,
Speaker 3: and then in the second third of your life, you
Speaker 3: should be you know doing like public work. So you know,
Speaker 3: in the past when this feat of advice was rare,
Speaker 3: it was like you know, getting involved in local politics,
Speaker 3: you know, putting your thoughts out there, being a public
Speaker 3: figure in some sense of the world, trying to you know,
Speaker 3: improve the world, whatever that means. And then in the
Speaker 3: third act of your life, you should kind of like
Speaker 3: you know, retreat from the public and you know try
Speaker 3: to like you know, pass on all these kinds of things.
Speaker 3: So that that's a kind of like long arc of
Speaker 3: life I'm kind of taking. I'm entering probably my second arc.
Speaker 3: I've already kind of built up following on Twitter. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm like I have you know, I've got some experiences,
Speaker 3: I've got some failures under my belt, and yeah, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be afraid of failure. I would take a failure
Speaker 3: as a positive. In the gym, when you hit failure,
Speaker 3: like that's an achievement, you know, like you've gone to failure.
Speaker 3: So I was like to think in that kind of mindset,
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, cool, you've learned something. And then when
Speaker 3: it comes to prescribing action.
Speaker 2: It's like action itself provides information.
Speaker 3: So if you if you're going to do something, you know,
Speaker 3: action is one way to kind of like you know,
Speaker 3: deliver that outcome where you can actually can learn.
Speaker 2: Those are my kind of takeaways.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, put yourself out there, you know, don't
Speaker 3: be afraid to like experiment risk.
Speaker 2: And then the other thing I would say is like.
Speaker 3: When a man who becomes too kind of carried away
Speaker 3: with this kind of life, don't forget that, like, you know,
Speaker 3: you're also you know, you also have a duty to
Speaker 3: like have a family in a sense, have a family,
Speaker 3: you know, get married, have kids.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Obviously some people you know don't want to do that,
Speaker 3: but like that's the way I would like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'll tell everyone. I'll everyone I meet, Like, I tell
Speaker 3: them start posting on Twitter more. And I also tell them, like,
Speaker 3: if they're over twenty five, start looking to sell down
Speaker 3: and start taking that kind of like aspect seriously, because
Speaker 3: it takes a while to get married, you know, finding
Speaker 3: the right person, takes time, getting them, making sure they're
Speaker 3: the right person, make sure the family is a good family,
Speaker 3: and like you know, that impacts your future children. You
Speaker 3: shouldn't really get married to have children in my opinion.
Speaker 3: But I think that's like a huge part of life
Speaker 3: and advice that people kind of like you know over
Speaker 3: or Robert under index On and like kind of forget.
Speaker 3: So I think, you know, like try to try to
Speaker 3: try to try to think in those senses. And then
Speaker 3: one of the reasons why I use the spore motif
Speaker 3: and I use these momentum more kind of images is
Speaker 3: because like it's extremely short.
Speaker 2: You know, if you only have three arcs to your life,
Speaker 2: like you know that that's like a movie be over
Speaker 2: in a blip.
Speaker 3: I remember when I was very young stign on Twitter
Speaker 3: or whatever, and you know some of the other podcasts
Speaker 3: have been on you know, it's like those are years
Speaker 3: ago and you know time ha sparned extremely quick.
Speaker 2: So those would be my kind of like you know,
Speaker 2: passing pieces of advice.
Speaker 3: And then I think, do you have a piece of
Speaker 3: advice I have is like if you're smart, like you know,
Speaker 3: saying things will generally work out for you.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're like exposed to write, you influences.
Speaker 2: So yeah, hopefully, hopefully that helps.
Speaker 1: Oh no, definitely, man, it was super helpful. So where
Speaker 1: can people find you if they're interested in you and
Speaker 1: your ideas?
Speaker 2: Tuta is my main habitat.
Speaker 1: Well, sure thing those will all be linked down in
Speaker 1: the description. I appreciate it man, and everyone at home,
Speaker 1: keep your head up. I can't last forever. Good night,