Speaker 1: Oh, Fred of thes are, hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and my name is Jonathan,
Speaker 2: I'm Jacob, and today we are getting a little cryptic, sir,
Speaker 2: is that's what's we're getting. We're getting a little monster.
Speaker 3: Well, in some regards, you might call it a monster
Speaker 3: or a cryptid. Some would call it, understandably, an alien
Speaker 3: or an extraterrestrial or an et or whatever.
Speaker 2: These things you want to find, put it to whatever,
Speaker 2: aren't they all that? Possibly? Possibly?
Speaker 3: So, so all the good cult members that listen to
Speaker 3: our interdimensional conversation that we had the other day understand
Speaker 3: that this was what I was actually trying to find
Speaker 3: and look into when I discovered the Book of flat Land,
Speaker 3: which led to the two D versus three D versus
Speaker 3: four D conversation. Right, I was doing research onto a
Speaker 3: alien sighting or monster siting whatever in West by God,
Speaker 3: Virginia in the fifties, and somehow we ended up into
Speaker 3: all of the other common which was fun.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that talk for sure.
Speaker 3: But yes, so this episode we are going to be
Speaker 3: diving into the flatlands, monster, flatlands, alien, whatever you want
Speaker 3: to call it. And here's the deal. Everyone understands that
Speaker 3: this is a true story. There is nobody who's questioning
Speaker 3: its validity. There are some that's kep, you know, questioning
Speaker 3: if the people saw what they think they saw, but
Speaker 3: nobody denies that this group of people saw something in
Speaker 3: the woods on this night in the fifties.
Speaker 2: Are you ready to get into it? I am ready, sir,
Speaker 2: So yeah, do we know what part of West Virginia
Speaker 2: this is coming out of?
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Speaker 2: This little, this little quick tutorial here.
Speaker 3: So History Channel actually did this series, the Project blue Book,
Speaker 3: and we'll talk about what that is here in a
Speaker 3: moment for anybody who might be a newer listener or
Speaker 3: newer to the conspiracy game and they don't really know
Speaker 3: all of the Project dot dot dots like, Okay, I
Speaker 3: got you, So we're gonna cover a good bit of it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So this is the Flatwoods Monster's just a little quick
Speaker 3: two minute video, but it does a decent job of
Speaker 3: breaking down the uh, the overarching story here.
Speaker 2: Let's uh, let's learn a little bit.
Speaker 4: The Flatwoods Monster case. This occurred on September twelfth, nineteen
Speaker 4: fifty two. This whole thing happened at dusk and there
Speaker 4: were a number of young people going off into the
Speaker 4: woods and saw some kind of fiery, glowing object that
Speaker 4: descended or came down to the boys. Ed and Freddie
Speaker 4: grabbed their mother, whose name was Kathleen May, and she
Speaker 4: came back with the group to see this thing what
Speaker 4: they describe as a creature, very tall. It's got eyes
Speaker 4: that are glowing red and it scares them.
Speaker 2: Project blue Book still in the early years, and it
Speaker 2: was reported to the Air Force because there was something
Speaker 2: in the sky.
Speaker 4: Investigators who went there after the sighting stated that there
Speaker 4: was an unusual smell or odor in that area, and
Speaker 4: it was said that the trees in the area were
Speaker 4: singed at the top. There were investigators who said that
Speaker 4: branches actually were broken. Now that's very interesting. The branches
Speaker 4: were broken by something that evidently came down. This is
Speaker 4: one of the instances in which Project Blue Book was
Speaker 4: genuinely actively doing serious investigations at that time.
Speaker 2: I do we call seeing the May family sketches. They
Speaker 2: weren't extremely detailed, but they were similar. The family members
Speaker 2: all do the same thing, which was interesting.
Speaker 4: The official explanation was that it was a combination of
Speaker 4: a bright media and delusion psychological case.
Speaker 2: Most puzzling case. My father thought about that a lot,
Speaker 2: and I really couldn't conclude anything one way or the
Speaker 2: other one. Okay, So I hate whenever they just I
Speaker 2: hate whenever they just say that these things the people
Speaker 2: that are seeing these things are just delusional like that
Speaker 2: is Oh, that's cringey whenever you hear shit like that,
Speaker 2: because it's like that, you're you're trying to go out
Speaker 2: on a limb and tell somebody that you saw something,
Speaker 2: some kind of alien, some kind of craft, some kind
Speaker 2: of monster, whatever the fuck, And whenever somebody just gaslights
Speaker 2: you and says that you're just illusional, Oh dude, nothing
Speaker 2: chaps me more than that.
Speaker 3: So we've heard that old adage of oh, as a
Speaker 3: meteor that passed through some swamp gas, right, and I
Speaker 3: gave the illusion that you saw something you didn't see.
Speaker 3: Project Blue Book is where that story got traction and
Speaker 3: why that thing got set so many times. It was
Speaker 3: moonlight refracting off of Venus through some swamp gas, either
Speaker 3: swamp gas in West Virginia.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, fine, sure, let's let's go down that
Speaker 2: little rabbit hole.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: It's it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Now we're gonna read a couple of different articles and
Speaker 3: a couple of different stories about what the quote unquote officials,
Speaker 3: and I use that term very liberally say the people
Speaker 3: may have seen the going narrative. The main theory is
Speaker 3: that it.
Speaker 2: Was an owl. Now, I'm gonna those always supersede something though,
Speaker 2: Like you always hear about the owls coming before. It's
Speaker 2: almost like the owls are the siren for something to
Speaker 2: come fair.
Speaker 3: But the the monster itself was supposed to be somewhere
Speaker 3: around eight foot tall. They are saying that an owl
Speaker 3: with its wings up like this created a shadow and
Speaker 3: that's what did this Moloch. After they just watched something
Speaker 3: fall from the sky crash land in the woods. You
Speaker 3: can smell burnt metal everywhere, and we got an owl
Speaker 3: and these people just completely mistook that for an eight
Speaker 3: foot tall alien.
Speaker 2: Are we talking about Moloch over here? Dude? I you
Speaker 2: know what you can tell me when we get there.
Speaker 3: You saw some of the images earlier, right, some of
Speaker 3: the drawings that the family made, and we're gonna show
Speaker 3: a lot more of them. And to this day, the
Speaker 3: flat flat lands West Virginia, like the town is made
Speaker 3: after this monster. They have paintings of it everywhere and
Speaker 3: shit like the people really leaned into it, which you
Speaker 3: know what they should. But anyway, anyway, before we get
Speaker 3: into all of that, so Project blue Book, what exactly
Speaker 3: is this? Because they did in fact launch a real
Speaker 3: investigation into this. They sent agents out, they took samples,
Speaker 3: they did all these things. So real quick, let's just
Speaker 3: read the first little couple sentences here.
Speaker 2: All right. Project blue Book was the code name for
Speaker 2: the Systematic Study of Unidentified Flying Objects by the United
Speaker 2: States Air Force from March nineteen fifty two to its
Speaker 2: termination allegedly on December seventeenth, nineteen sixty nine. The project,
Speaker 2: headquartered at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, was initially
Speaker 2: directed by Captain Edward J. Rupplett or Rupoult. Rupoult there
Speaker 2: we go, Rupolt, I don't know, and followed projects of
Speaker 2: a similar nature, such as Projects sign established in nineteen
Speaker 2: forty seven, Project sign we got to look at to
Speaker 2: that one, and Project Grudge in nineteen forty nine. Project
Speaker 2: blue Book had two goals, namely, to determine if UFOs
Speaker 2: were a threat to national security and to scientifically analyze
Speaker 2: UFO related data. Thousands of UFO reports were collected, analyzed,
Speaker 2: and filed as a result of the Condon Report, which
Speaker 2: concluded that the study of the UFOs was unlikely to
Speaker 2: yield major scientific discoveries, and to review of the report
Speaker 2: by the National Academy of Sciences, Project Blue Book was
Speaker 2: terminated in sixty nine. The Air Force supplies the following
Speaker 2: summary of its investigations. So number one, no UFO reported
Speaker 2: investigated and evaluated by the Air Force was ever an
Speaker 2: indication of threat to our national security. They always say
Speaker 2: that they are always so comfortable, same thing with shit Roswell.
Speaker 2: They thought the same thing.
Speaker 3: Now, it's also interesting they said that the UFOs that
Speaker 3: were reported, investigated and evaluated, So that would signify that
Speaker 3: there were, in fact UFOs that were reported, investigated and evaluated,
Speaker 3: not just stories and tall tales.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir number two, there was no evidence submitted to
Speaker 2: or discovered by the Air Force that sightings categorized as
Speaker 2: unidentified represented technological developments or principles beyond the range of
Speaker 2: modern scientific knowledge.
Speaker 3: Okay, they also used quote unquote unidentified, So could that
Speaker 3: also mean that they knew what these things were? Because
Speaker 3: perhaps the powers that be have known about extraterrestrials and
Speaker 3: alien life for years and years and years. So to
Speaker 3: the public it might be unidentified, but to them they
Speaker 3: know them as the gorgons or so, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Yeah, they could the quotes like that, it's
Speaker 3: kind of a potentially misleading.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever they were seeing was either already understood or
Speaker 2: there was nothing they could do with the information that
Speaker 2: they had to be able to apply it to whatever
Speaker 2: they needed to apply it to. It could be I
Speaker 2: think that it's probably one of the other of those.
Speaker 2: But and number go ahead, it could be both, could
Speaker 2: be both. Yeah, number three, there was no evidence indicating
Speaker 2: that sightings categorized as unidentified were extraterrestrial vehicles. Again, those
Speaker 2: quotes on unidentified.
Speaker 3: So while your average layperson might just be plowing their
Speaker 3: fields or just sitting on their back porch one night
Speaker 3: and they would see a craft that they've never seen before,
Speaker 3: when the government agents get there, no, they have seen
Speaker 3: that kind of craft before. So it's not unidentified to
Speaker 3: the official story, it's unidentified to the random person.
Speaker 2: You see what I mean here? Now to your point.
Speaker 3: Project and also, real quick, before we even check out
Speaker 3: Project sign, I don't want to detract from the monster
Speaker 3: or anything, but they shut down the project in sixty nine. Hey,
Speaker 3: real quick, does anybody remember some big thing that happened
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty nine, as far as space is concerned,
Speaker 3: that would potentially be how they would wrap up everything
Speaker 3: with a pretty little bow to say that boom, we
Speaker 3: did it. There's no need to explore any further.
Speaker 2: We accomplished it was it. Are you talking about the
Speaker 2: fake moon landing? Sir? I am indeed right, yeah, so crazy.
Speaker 3: They shut down the UFO Investigation Bureau basically the same
Speaker 3: year that we put a man on the moon allegedly.
Speaker 3: So is that also their way that they were trying
Speaker 3: to tie up all these quote unquote loosens because they
Speaker 3: had a lot of UFO sitans from nineteen forty eight
Speaker 3: with Roswell to sixty nine. They just were like, ah,
Speaker 3: and we're done now, there's no more UFOs.
Speaker 2: Pop bop bop.
Speaker 3: And then Trump comes into office and is like, by
Speaker 3: the way, yeah they've been here.
Speaker 2: Something to it, dude. There absolutely has to be And
Speaker 2: that's why, dude, this is the thing with aliens, extraterrestrials, orbs, UFOs,
Speaker 2: you name it, anything that is otherworldly seemingly it always
Speaker 2: seems to be something that is either laughed at or
Speaker 2: swept under the rug, or people don't believe, or people
Speaker 2: do believe, they do believe, but they assigned the meaning
Speaker 2: to it before they ever come in contact with it. Really,
Speaker 2: and then people who actually do come in contact with,
Speaker 2: or allegedly come in contact with extraterrestrials or UFOs, and
Speaker 2: they always have a story too. And I don't know, dude,
Speaker 2: I wonder if a lot of what we hear about
Speaker 2: UFOs and stuff is fear mongering, Like that's always a
Speaker 2: thought in my mind, Like, you know, who's to say
Speaker 2: that the government And I'm not trying to discredit UFOs.
Speaker 2: I believe in them, but who's to say that the
Speaker 2: government wouldn't be trying to push some kind of UFO narrative.
Speaker 2: And then whenever the alleged UFOs come down and destroy
Speaker 2: a state, a city, a person, you know, a country,
Speaker 2: the world or whatever, they would have somebody to blame
Speaker 2: it on. But really it's some kind of technology that
Speaker 2: they've been working on in secret for forever, so nobody
Speaker 2: wants to place nobody can place blame on them, right,
Speaker 2: And that is kind of you know, that's what people
Speaker 2: talk about with Project Bluebeam, that they say that it's
Speaker 2: just going to be man made and it's going to
Speaker 2: deceive a lot of people bull and I don't know.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of fuckery, and it's it's not
Speaker 2: some hair brain theory that that is something like people
Speaker 2: have been saying that that the that the government is
Speaker 2: going to try to manipulate this story and for their
Speaker 2: own for their own gain, for they've been saying that
Speaker 2: for hundreds of at least one hundred years. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more So.
Speaker 3: Now Project sign is apparently the very first iteration.
Speaker 2: Of something close to this. So let's read about it
Speaker 2: a little bit, all right. Projects Sign or Project Saucer,
Speaker 2: was an official US government study of unidentified flying objects
Speaker 2: undertaken by the United States Air Force and active for
Speaker 2: most of nineteen forty eight. It was the precursor to
Speaker 2: Project Grudge So. The project was established in nineteen forty
Speaker 2: eight by Air Force General Nathan Twining ahead of the
Speaker 2: Air Technical Service Command, and was initially named Project Saucer.
Speaker 2: The goal of the project was to collect, evaluate, and
Speaker 2: distribute within the government all information relating to UFO sightings
Speaker 2: or the premise that they might represent a national security concern.
Speaker 2: On April twenty seventh, nineteen forty nine, the US Air
Speaker 2: Force publicly released a paper prepared by the Intelligence Division
Speaker 2: of the Air Material Command at Wright Patterson Field in Ohio.
Speaker 2: The paper stated that while some UFOs appeared to represent
Speaker 2: actual aircraft, there was not enough data to determine their origin.
Speaker 2: Almost all cases were explained by ordinary causes, but the
Speaker 2: report recommended a continuation of the investigation of all sightings.
Speaker 2: And then you want to get into a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk about some Project Grudge real quick.
Speaker 3: But before I do, let's also talk about this nineteen
Speaker 3: forty eight, the US Air Force has this whole Air
Speaker 3: Technical Service Command that's looking into this topic. You know,
Speaker 3: in World War Two, we didn't have an Air Force, right.
Speaker 2: It was the Army Air Corps.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So in the same way that the Marines
Speaker 3: are seen as a department of the Navy, the Air
Speaker 3: Force was seen as a department of the Army. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think the marine weren't the Marines created like the
Speaker 3: year before?
Speaker 2: It was like seventeen seventy five or something like that.
Speaker 2: Am I plucking that up? Oh wow? All right? So yeah,
Speaker 2: November ten, seventeen seventy five.
Speaker 3: And then uh, Navy's birthday is October eleventh, seventeen seventy five.
Speaker 2: But all of.
Speaker 3: That together here. But my point is if the Air Force,
Speaker 3: I've heard a theory and I don't know if there's
Speaker 3: any real weight behind this. And I'm not even saying
Speaker 3: I fully believe this, because yes, having enough air assets
Speaker 3: to warrant their own military branch. Okay, I get it, fine,
Speaker 3: But I have heard a theory that the entire reason
Speaker 3: the Air Force was created was for this purpose, to
Speaker 3: look into UFOs and things like that. Because think about this,
Speaker 3: the Air Force up until very recently, with the creation
Speaker 3: of the Space Force, the Air Force was all encompassing
Speaker 3: of our satellites and everything else like this too. Okay,
Speaker 3: nineteen forty five, World War two ends, we don't have
Speaker 3: an air force. Nineteen forty eight, not only do we
Speaker 3: have an Air Force, but they have a specific group
Speaker 3: that's looking into UAPs and UFOs and all these things.
Speaker 2: And this was around the time that NASA was created, too,
Speaker 2: which we are going to be doing a story on
Speaker 2: the origins of NASA very soon, and that is going
Speaker 2: to be something wild. I know that a lot of
Speaker 2: people saying, well, NASA technically started out, you know, observing
Speaker 2: the ocean or observing the ocean floor and trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what was going on down there. Allegedly they
Speaker 2: did it for a year and then they switched to space,
Speaker 2: and so some people believe that, well, maybe what they
Speaker 2: found in the oceans was a little bit too scary,
Speaker 2: or they were told to fuck off by the water
Speaker 2: gods or whatever, and there is some credence to that story.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna be diving into it. I know that
Speaker 2: it's National Aeronautic Space Space Administration, but it was a
Speaker 2: different name before that same group of people, different name,
Speaker 2: so it's like a rebranding thing. So yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: kind of in the same respect of like whenever people
Speaker 2: say that there were presidents before George Washington, it's like
Speaker 2: kinda but not not exactly, but kind of you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel that.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, So, so we got Project Saucer right slash
Speaker 3: project what was the name of that thing, Project Saucer
Speaker 3: Slash signed right. Then one year later, nineteen forty nine,
Speaker 3: we got Project Grudge, and I had honestly never heard
Speaker 3: of this one.
Speaker 2: Let's let's learn a little bit, okay. So Project Grudge
Speaker 2: was a short lived project by the US Air Force
Speaker 2: to Investigate Unidentified Flying Objects. GRUDGE succeeded Project Sign in
Speaker 2: nineteen in February nineteen forty nine, and then and then
Speaker 2: followed by Project Blue Book. The project formally ended in
Speaker 2: December of nineteen forty nine, but continued in a minimal
Speaker 2: capacity until late nineteen ninety nine. Wow, that's pretty fucking recent.
Speaker 3: Yes, that is, and that's not They didn't just like
Speaker 3: disband it like they did Project Sign, right, they kept
Speaker 3: it going under wraps.
Speaker 2: Could this be possibly closer to Men in Black bro?
Speaker 3: This is?
Speaker 2: And that's that's the thing. It's that I think that
Speaker 2: a lot of these projects never truly ended. But a
Speaker 2: lot of people within the government and the military, they
Speaker 2: know that things are compartmentalized that they're never going to
Speaker 2: hear about, right, So all you would need to keep
Speaker 2: one of these projects going is a couple of people,
Speaker 2: like that's all you would need, and that's it. And
Speaker 2: then those couple of people, whenever they're asked who they're
Speaker 2: working for, what they're working on within the government of
Speaker 2: the military, Hey, I'm a I'm a mechanic. I work
Speaker 2: on airplane. Like and we've heard that story too with
Speaker 2: a lot of the military whistleblowers that they have other
Speaker 2: titles like job titles that and they actually do. They're
Speaker 2: very multifaceted, like they're these people are some of these
Speaker 2: people are fucking genius. You hear them talk and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, one of my I feel like I
Speaker 2: have a second grade reading level compared to these people.
Speaker 2: You know. Oh yeah, I work for the government. Oh
Speaker 2: what do you do.
Speaker 3: I'm a consultant for one of the big agencies, which one,
Speaker 3: it's one of the ones you probably never heard of,
Speaker 3: you know, the Department of blah blah blah blah. Make
Speaker 3: up some fancy title. Yeah, it's a lot of office work,
Speaker 3: and that's pretty much all I do. In reality, there
Speaker 3: are real life men in black. Could very well be
Speaker 3: bro could be could be so.
Speaker 2: Project Grudge was intended to alleviate public anxiety over UFOs
Speaker 2: and persuade the public that UFOs constituted nothing unusual or extraordinary.
Speaker 2: UFO sightings were explained as conventional aircraft, balloons, stars, planets, meteors,
Speaker 2: optical illusions, solar reflections, or even large hailstones. Imagine convincing
Speaker 2: somebody that it was just a large hailstone you saw,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: I understand the like hail the size of softballs happens,
Speaker 3: and sometimes even bigger than that.
Speaker 2: They're free falling, They're not hovering in the fucking air,
Speaker 2: Like what are we talking about here?
Speaker 3: The people of nineteen forty eight were just like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's okay, the government man told me, so.
Speaker 2: It's got to be true. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, of course,
Speaker 2: like bro, what oh man? And that's well, I mean, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: a lot of people believe whatever a government official is
Speaker 2: going to tell them. Well, you know, because and I
Speaker 2: think that it's a lot of it. It really is psychological,
Speaker 2: because you got to think about it. Whenever somebody seeing
Speaker 2: these things in the forties and the fifties and the
Speaker 2: sixties whatever you know, there, they don't want to see it.
Speaker 2: They don't want to believe that this thing is possible.
Speaker 2: They don't want to believe what they just saw up
Speaker 2: in the sky was something fucking otherworldly because it shatters
Speaker 2: the foundation of which they believe material reality actually is.
Speaker 2: And so whenever you hear somebody, you know, of high praise,
Speaker 2: whether it be a government official or military official or
Speaker 2: whatever you're you're you're gonna be inclined to believe that
Speaker 2: because you want to believe it's psychological operations here, dude,
Speaker 2: I'm with you on what's your one hundred percent? So anyway, continuing,
Speaker 2: it says project officials recommend that the product are recommended
Speaker 2: that the project be reduced in scope because the very
Speaker 2: existence of Air Force official interest encouraged people to believe
Speaker 2: in UFOs and contributed to a war hysteria atmosphere. Okay.
Speaker 2: On December twenty seventh, nineteen forty nine, the Air Force
Speaker 2: announced the termination of the project.
Speaker 3: So as far as the war hysteria, okay, Now, let's
Speaker 3: put ourselves into the shoes of your average American Joe
Speaker 3: blow circa nineteen forty nine. Okay, America had just been
Speaker 3: attacked only a few years back with Pearl Harbor. Okay,
Speaker 3: and that was we had never been attacked like that, well,
Speaker 3: not since the War of eighteen twelve. Okay, So us
Speaker 3: getting attacked by our foreign nation was seen as impossible.
Speaker 2: Who's got the balls to try? And all these things?
Speaker 3: Right, And we had kind of we weren't isolationists by
Speaker 3: any means, but we certainly were not wanting to get
Speaker 3: involved in foreign affairs unless we absolutely had to. Now, well,
Speaker 3: the people the government, of course they had their fingers
Speaker 3: in every pie, but I'm talking about your average citizen, right,
Speaker 3: So now we got these unexplainable things that we're seeing
Speaker 3: at night. I could understand a world where your average
Speaker 3: person would think that maybe that is another attack that's
Speaker 3: about to hit, right, there's some sort of a new weapon,
Speaker 3: a new flying craft that you know, because we went
Speaker 3: basically straight into the Cold War right after World War
Speaker 3: Two ended, so it was US versus Russia basically as soon.
Speaker 2: As that shit ended.
Speaker 3: As testy times, extremely testy times. Everybody had just got
Speaker 3: home from the war. Everybody's trying to take a sigh
Speaker 3: of relief, and we got this shit flying in the
Speaker 3: air that nobody can explain, and the government man is
Speaker 3: just saying, like, listen, it's no big deal.
Speaker 2: It's no big deal. Well, and especially the military people
Speaker 2: that just came back from seeing that. You know. For example,
Speaker 2: there's this show that I love, I'd always talk about,
Speaker 2: but it's called Alone. It's on Netflix. It's like Naked
Speaker 2: and Afraid or Survivor, but way better. And there was
Speaker 2: this military guy, I think he's from Australia or some shit,
Speaker 2: and he's so he's out there and he's playing in
Speaker 2: this game and basically it's a survival kind of show.
Speaker 2: And he was prior military of Australia or something like that,
Speaker 2: from somewhere from down Under, and so he was prior
Speaker 2: military and he got a lot of PTSD. Well, he
Speaker 2: was out there and he was like super calm. He's
Speaker 2: out in nature and everything's great. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 2: a fucking helicopter goes over his head and he full
Speaker 2: on breaks down PTSD side, like so much anxiety, so
Speaker 2: much stress. He starts crying and then he ends up
Speaker 2: giving up like just a few days later. So it's
Speaker 2: definitely like it can definitely fuck with you in that way.
Speaker 2: So I understand it for sure, for sure.
Speaker 3: So just to give a little bit of the backstory here,
Speaker 3: it's a Project Blue Book, what it is, how it
Speaker 3: started all these things before we go to the next one,
Speaker 3: Let's read this next paragraph here, because I didn't realize
Speaker 3: they had gotten that many reports.
Speaker 2: By the time time Project Bluebook ended, it had collected
Speaker 2: twelve thousand, six hundred and eighteen UFO reports and concluded
Speaker 2: that most of them were misidentifications of natural phenomena clouds
Speaker 2: and stars, et cetera. Yeah, of course, or conventional aircraft.
Speaker 2: According to the National Reconnaissance Office, a number of the
Speaker 2: reports could be explained by flights of the formerly secret
Speaker 2: reconnaissance planes U two and A twelve seven hundred and
Speaker 2: one reports were classified as unexplained even after stringent analysis.
Speaker 2: The UFO reports were archived and are available under the
Speaker 2: Freedom of Information Act, but names and other personal information
Speaker 2: of all witnesses have been redacted.
Speaker 3: So now we've talked about that too, especially out in
Speaker 3: the desert where they're testing new types of aircraft, right,
Speaker 3: the flying Dorito for instance, aka the bomber. So for
Speaker 3: a person who's never seen a jet before, because all
Speaker 3: of the planes of World War Two were all prop planes, right,
Speaker 3: they had big fans on the front that made them go.
Speaker 2: Now we're worried.
Speaker 3: We're working with jet propulsion into an average person that's
Speaker 3: lived in New Mexico their whole life and has never
Speaker 3: seen an air show before, or they've seen pictures or
Speaker 3: in the movies, they've seen a plane. They've some of
Speaker 3: them have never even been on a plane before in
Speaker 3: their life. Now, all of a sudden, we got this
Speaker 3: thing screaming across the.
Speaker 5: Sky like yo, you yeah, yeah, when some other worldly
Speaker 5: shit when you're used to like Amelia Earhart style airplanes,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, And then you see this
Speaker 5: fucking u two up in the air.
Speaker 2: I get it. I get this.
Speaker 3: And so some of those reports could be attributed to
Speaker 3: that which the government officials couldn't tell them what that
Speaker 3: was because that was still top secret and classified and
Speaker 3: it wasn't a mass produced jet thing that we had.
Speaker 2: It was still in the testing phases.
Speaker 3: So like, okay, and I can even give credence to
Speaker 3: some of the the majority of them, even depending on
Speaker 3: where they're at. Right the people in West Virginia didn't
Speaker 3: have some sort of a new air craft that was
Speaker 3: being tested in West Virginia. They don't test those there,
Speaker 3: you see what I'm saying. Depending on the location of
Speaker 3: the report and what the report was, some of them
Speaker 3: can be attributed to something that the people may not
Speaker 3: have understood, some new tech they didn't know about.
Speaker 2: Fine, okay, Although West Virginia would be a good place to,
Speaker 2: you know, have these kinds of operations because it's not
Speaker 2: densely populated like Wes it had, what's that it's the
Speaker 2: mountains that I'm saying that though yeah, Okay, Well, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I've I mean, you have your mountain people,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, it's like Mountain Mama out
Speaker 2: there with the country roads. But I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't have an explanation for West Virginia. That's that
Speaker 2: just blows my mind.
Speaker 3: But seven hundred reports, seven hundred and one reports are
Speaker 3: classified as unexplained, which I think is pretty interesting. One
Speaker 3: of those unexplained reports would be the flat Woods Monster.
Speaker 3: I got a quick little cli clip that we're gonna
Speaker 3: play real quick, and it just kind of talks briefly
Speaker 3: about it, kind of the overview let's learn.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's no words there there. I read it the
Speaker 2: Flatwoods Monster Alien encounter in West Virginia. In nineteen fifty two,
Speaker 2: a strange, tall creature with a glowing face was reported
Speaker 2: in Flatwoods, West Virginia. The flat The article titled the
Speaker 2: flat Woods Monster, also known as the Braxton County Monster,
Speaker 2: is often described as an alien entity cited after a
Speaker 2: bright object crossed the sky. Do you believe?
Speaker 3: Okay, So now let's read some of these articles, right.
Speaker 2: This one is.
Speaker 3: All that's interesting dot com The Flatwoods Monster. Now, also,
Speaker 3: I brought up a couple of articles, and yes, some
Speaker 3: of them may sound a bit repetitive.
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 3: But with that, understand that there are small differences to
Speaker 3: the story or small differences to what the official narrative
Speaker 3: is at the time. And I did that on purpose,
Speaker 3: or I brought them all in on purpose, because you'll
Speaker 3: see this officiating body says this, This officiating body says this. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: the stories from the inhabitants themselves, the eyewitnesses, never changes.
Speaker 2: It's interesting.
Speaker 3: And also, I have never heard of another alien story
Speaker 3: with anything to look close to this. Tall grays are
Speaker 3: one thing. The red eyes, the glowing face that, yeah,
Speaker 3: we hear that a good bit. They all specifically have
Speaker 3: him looking like this, with like looking like an Ace of
Speaker 3: Spades style hood on top of his head. I have
Speaker 3: never seen another report of an alien entity that looks
Speaker 3: like this.
Speaker 2: Have you. It kind of looks like that that dinosaur
Speaker 2: whenever it like whenever it's screams, goes and the fucking
Speaker 2: pop out. Yeah yeah, and they have a lizard like
Speaker 2: that too now but not now. It's been around, but
Speaker 2: fucking creepy looking things. But it almost looks like that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it says after seven Braxton County. After seven
Speaker 2: Braxton County, West Virginia residents, Okay, after seven of them,
Speaker 2: I'm chirpping my mind, just like fucking totally me on there. So,
Speaker 2: after seven of the Braxton County, West Virginia residents reported
Speaker 2: seeing the Flatwoods Monster while investigating what look like a
Speaker 2: UFO crash, local authorities scoured the scene, but they found
Speaker 2: nothing and reportedly laughed off the reports as hysteria. That's disrespectful.
Speaker 3: Can well imagine you call your local cops out there,
Speaker 3: your local officials, and tell them we saw this thing crash,
Speaker 3: something broke off the tops of the trees and things
Speaker 3: are burned.
Speaker 2: We saw this giant entity.
Speaker 3: And then they come back, they go in the woods
Speaker 3: to their flashlights, They come back and laugh at you
Speaker 3: and tell you to go back to sleep.
Speaker 2: Bro This this is like, you know, it's disrespectful for sure.
Speaker 2: But I do want to bring up that time that
Speaker 2: I had knocking at my trailer door whenever I was
Speaker 2: living in Louisiana, and then we had what I called
Speaker 2: the cops because I thought it was a crackhead or
Speaker 2: a method or some kind of shit. You're living in
Speaker 2: a fucking trailer park in Louisiana. That's usually the person
Speaker 2: you're looking for, right, But it was super loud. It
Speaker 2: was like two o'clock in the morning, and knocked at
Speaker 2: the back door, knocked at the front door, knocked on
Speaker 2: the windows, went outside, looked out the windows, didn't see anybody.
Speaker 2: Called the police. The police came, investigated the property and
Speaker 2: they were like, hey, are you sure it was human?
Speaker 2: What the fuck kind of question is that? Right? What
Speaker 2: is that? What do you mean it was it? Human?
Speaker 2: Dog's not getting up on his hind legs and banging
Speaker 2: on a door. It's not gonna be a bear, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? You would see bear prints, Like,
Speaker 2: what are we talking about? A raccoon is not gonna
Speaker 2: have a loud ass banging out a door. Now, there's
Speaker 2: no explanation. So I mean things shit happens that is
Speaker 2: unexplainable sometimes, you know, but it says One clear evening
Speaker 2: in September nineteen fifty two, several boys in flat Woods,
Speaker 2: West Virginia spotted a strange object streaked through the sky.
Speaker 2: It appeared to land in a nearby field, so they
Speaker 2: headed over to investigate and reportedly came across a ten
Speaker 2: foot tall creature that since become known as the flat
Speaker 2: Woods Monster. The mother of the two boys, Kathleen May,
Speaker 2: and a teenage National guardsman, Jeene Lemon, were two members
Speaker 2: of the group who claim to have seen the monster.
Speaker 2: They went on to give it interviews to reporters and
Speaker 2: even shared their encounter on national television, spreading the story
Speaker 2: of the Flatwood Monster across the country.
Speaker 3: Ten foot tall, dude, I said eight earlier, I misspoke
Speaker 3: that thing standing ten foot tall with glowing eyes, and
Speaker 3: you just watched this crash from the sky. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: would be fucking terrified.
Speaker 2: Dude. I thought about this, you know, because we had
Speaker 2: been talking a little bit about string theory and different
Speaker 2: dimensions and shit like that, and I obviously have dabbled
Speaker 2: into psychedelics and shit like that. And there's some things
Speaker 2: that you'll see in psychedelics, whether it's like when your
Speaker 2: eyes are closed or whatever, that it's almost too intricate
Speaker 2: to even look at. Too. It's like so much to
Speaker 2: where it literally feels like it's breaking your mind because
Speaker 2: you just can't comprehend what you're seeing. Like I'm talking
Speaker 2: about dimensions on top of dimensions on top of dimensions,
Speaker 2: fractal on top of fractal on top of fractal, it
Speaker 2: your mind can't process it right, And so I think
Speaker 2: that whenever we're talking about like different dimensional entities that
Speaker 2: are coming, I think that, well, you know, you hear
Speaker 2: the story about how they have to rate or lower
Speaker 2: their vibration. Now I don't know what to believe, but
Speaker 2: this is what the story is, is that they have
Speaker 2: to lower their vibration in order to become physical in
Speaker 2: this reality. Is it possible that what we're looking at
Speaker 2: is entities that are lowering their vibration and they're trying
Speaker 2: to seem as human like as possible the best way
Speaker 2: they possibly can, and then they end up looking something
Speaker 2: like this. Could this be the explanation for the Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: Could this be the explanation for you know, certain UFO
Speaker 2: or certain extraterrestrials and stuff like that. I just wonder
Speaker 2: if that's what's going on, like the conversion into this dimension.
Speaker 3: It's very possible, right, we don't know because nothing has
Speaker 3: been quote unquote confirmed now, and I'm not even saying
Speaker 3: that all extraterrestrial sightings are interdimensional beings, but I'm also
Speaker 3: not saying that none of them are, right. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's very possible, and who knows, maybe these entities are
Speaker 3: traveling light years right from planets a planet or galaxy
Speaker 3: to galaxy. We're talking about a gap of time that
Speaker 3: is hard for the human mind to wrap itself around.
Speaker 3: And if they're jumping it that quickly, it would make
Speaker 3: sense that they're doing interdimensional travel, right, cutting a wormhole
Speaker 3: through dimensions to jump light years at a time. Maybe
Speaker 3: it takes their bodies a little bit too slow down, right,
Speaker 3: because you go into a different vibrational energy when you
Speaker 3: go into a wormhole like that.
Speaker 2: Look, who knows? Who knows? Uh, yeah, yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: strange shit. And I'm so excited that we're like every
Speaker 2: day we're getting more and more and more into the
Speaker 2: future and more able to try and at least comprehend
Speaker 2: what it is what we're looking at, and like it's
Speaker 2: super What a cool time to be alive. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know it's crazy, I know it's hectic and the
Speaker 2: conspiratorial world with all the crazy shit going on, but
Speaker 2: just to know that, like dude, we are living in
Speaker 2: fucking the wildest time to ever be alive, and to
Speaker 2: be honest, it's probably never been a better time to
Speaker 2: be a podcaster in general, Like, let's just be real,
Speaker 2: there's always something going on and so, and that's all encompassing.
Speaker 2: It's not even just you know, geopolitical, like aliens, Like
Speaker 2: there's been more alien whistleblowers, more UFO whistleblowers coming out
Speaker 2: of the military than ever before. And whether you believe
Speaker 2: them or not, I tend to believe them. And I
Speaker 2: know that a lot of people don't like the whole
Speaker 2: David Grush story. I get it, but he's not the
Speaker 2: only one. There are so many others that are coming
Speaker 2: out right now too. Yeah. So, anyway, back to the story.
Speaker 2: It says local police found no evidence to back up
Speaker 2: their claims, and a subsequent investigation by the US Air
Speaker 2: Force concluded that there was nothing paranormal about what they
Speaker 2: had seen, but the seven witnesses remained adamant but that
Speaker 2: whatever that had happened that September night was anything but ordinary.
Speaker 2: There have been no reported sightings of the Flatwood Monster
Speaker 2: since nineteen fifty two, but the mysterio cryptid continues to
Speaker 2: draw visitors to rural Braxton County, West Virginia to this day.
Speaker 2: So here's the legend of the flat Woods Monster. I'm
Speaker 2: ready for this one. Yeah. On September twelfth, nineteen fifty two,
Speaker 2: a group of boys was playing in their school yard
Speaker 2: in a tiny town of flat Woods, West Virginia. One
Speaker 2: of them suddenly gave a shout that turned all the
Speaker 2: children's attention to the sky above. According to the history,
Speaker 2: they saw a pulsating or a pulsing red light that
Speaker 2: streaked through the air and crashed onto a local farm.
Speaker 2: Two of the boys, thirteen year old Ed May and
Speaker 2: his twelve year old brother Freddie, ran home with their
Speaker 2: friends to tell their mother Kathleen, what they had seen.
Speaker 2: Miss May and the five young boys were joined by
Speaker 2: a seventeen year old National guardsman named Geene Lemon and
Speaker 2: the May's family dog as they trek to the farm
Speaker 2: to investigate. As they approached a wooded area near an
Speaker 2: open field, they noticed an odd mist. Lemon then thought
Speaker 2: he spotted a pair of glowing eyes in a tree. Suddenly,
Speaker 2: a Frankenstein like monster emerged directly in front of them.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this is the site of the alleged
Speaker 3: Flatwood Monster sighting nineteen fifty two. So here they are there,
Speaker 3: you know, walking down this little trail here, and they
Speaker 3: saw a ten foot glowing eyed monster standing there looking
Speaker 3: at him.
Speaker 2: This is almost borderline a little Scott Pacy right, because
Speaker 2: he talks about seeing eyes. Yes, but also this was
Speaker 2: by multiple witnesses.
Speaker 3: It's not just one guy, it's all of them saying
Speaker 3: the exact same thing. They all came back and drew
Speaker 3: the exact same image.
Speaker 2: Okay, well Lemon later he was the National Guardsman. Lemon
Speaker 2: later described the creature as a ten foot monster with
Speaker 2: a blood red body and a green face that seemed
Speaker 2: to glow reptilian much let's go baby. Its head was
Speaker 2: shaped like a spade, and it had clawed hands, and
Speaker 2: it seemed to be wearing a dark metal dress. WHOA
Speaker 2: could this possibly be a robot or something? I don't know.
Speaker 2: The group immediately turned and fled. A local high schooler
Speaker 2: later recalled what he had heard about the incident. In quotes.
Speaker 2: He said, one of the boys pete his pants, their
Speaker 2: dog ran home with his tail between his legs. The
Speaker 2: terrified witness immediately informed the police about what they had seen,
Speaker 2: and they weren't the only ones, so there were additional
Speaker 2: sightings of the Flatwood's monster as well. It says when
Speaker 2: investigators went to the farm to corroborate what missus May
Speaker 2: and the six boys had seen. They found nothing amiss.
Speaker 2: A local newspaper wrote at the time that state police
Speaker 2: laughed off the reports as hysteria. Of course, however, the
Speaker 2: September twelfth siding wasn't the only recorded incident regarding the
Speaker 2: Flatwoods Monster. According to the official website of Braxton County,
Speaker 2: West Virginia, multiple other residents had encounters with similar unexplainable
Speaker 2: beings around the same time. And there's the newspaper clipping
Speaker 2: saying Braxton County residents faint become ill after run in
Speaker 2: with weird ten foot months. Zoom it on that and
Speaker 2: read it. But not really, it's blair. That's the other
Speaker 2: thing too. We'll read it in a couple of articles
Speaker 2: here in a minute.
Speaker 3: Basically, the smell that this thing was giving off turn
Speaker 3: people's stomachs. There was a couple of examples of people fainting.
Speaker 3: A couple of people started puking and shitting all over themselves,
Speaker 3: like being around this thing. Either A it terrified them
Speaker 3: so bad that their body just shut down, or B
Speaker 3: the smell that it was putting off was actually making
Speaker 3: them sick.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean the vibration alone. If it
Speaker 2: is an extra dimensional entity, if we're talking about it,
Speaker 2: could be that it was just too much for regular physical,
Speaker 2: third dimensional beings. I mean anything. We don't know. I
Speaker 2: mean it's hard to even think about what is being
Speaker 2: observed in other dimensions and then how are they transforming
Speaker 2: and what are they giving off whenever they come here.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't know. All we can do is
Speaker 2: just base it off of stories like this. But it's
Speaker 2: it says. Several days before the event in flat Woods,
Speaker 2: a woman named Oudra Harper, who lived five miles north
Speaker 2: of flat Woods, said that she was walking through the
Speaker 2: woods with her friends when they saw a ball of
Speaker 2: fire on a hill. They thought nothing of it, assuming
Speaker 2: a farmer was simply burning something in his field. However,
Speaker 2: when Harper glanced back, she saw the dark silhouette of
Speaker 2: an eerily tall man emerging from the spot where the
Speaker 2: flames had just been blazing. Oh, we've heard stories like
Speaker 2: this before, dude. We have this thing stepped out of
Speaker 2: the ball of flames. What this is a Bloodsoe story.
Speaker 2: Yes it is. Yeah, this is exactly what they talk about.
Speaker 2: And it's always in the woods. It's always in the woods.
Speaker 3: It's never around a big city center somewhere. It's always
Speaker 3: way off the beaten path where they think no one's
Speaker 3: gonna see them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, it says. Then. On September thirteenth, a young
Speaker 2: couple was driving on a rural route twenty miles south
Speaker 2: of Can we just change the term rural that? I
Speaker 2: hate that word. It's like it's hard to say, and
Speaker 2: it sounds weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, we I mean you could just say
Speaker 3: a country route right there, we go, thing, But yeah,
Speaker 3: rural slash, rural slash. Yeah, people have weird times saying
Speaker 3: that one. It's like Worcestershire sauce. People say that's so weird.
Speaker 2: Oh worces your sister in a shower sauce. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And you know what, here's how you can tell you're
Speaker 3: saying that word right, not to detract. Go to your phone,
Speaker 3: hit the microphone button and say that sauce, however you
Speaker 3: think you're gonna say it, And see what your phone
Speaker 3: types out. If you type in war Chester and it
Speaker 3: comes out war and then Chester is two separate words.
Speaker 2: Guess what that's not? How it's pronounced Worcestershire Worcester. Sure,
Speaker 2: That's how I always said it. Worcester, Sure, Worcester. Sure,
Speaker 2: people know what you mean.
Speaker 3: Though, I've done it my way Worcestershire and it always
Speaker 3: comes up right.
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, whatever whatever works for you. But uh but anyhow,
Speaker 2: Uh so they were driving down. A young couple was
Speaker 2: driving down a rural route twenty miles south of the
Speaker 2: flat Woods when their car broke down. George and Edith Snidowski.
Speaker 2: Snidowski were with their eighteen month old son, and we're
Speaker 2: desperate to get their vehicle back on the road. As
Speaker 2: darkness fell, suddenly they smelled sulfur and a bright light
Speaker 2: filled the sky. When they looked up, there was a
Speaker 2: ten foot tall monster hovering in front of them and
Speaker 2: had clawed hands in a reptile or reptilian head. The
Speaker 2: creature touched their car before driving into the nearby woods,
Speaker 2: and the and the vehicle suddenly started again.
Speaker 3: Wow, so just by touching he was able to fix
Speaker 3: the electronics.
Speaker 2: Huh. It's kind of reminiscent of the Betty and Barney
Speaker 2: Hill story. Yeah, very reminiscent. I also wonder if this
Speaker 2: was an interracial couple.
Speaker 3: I mean, who's to say in West By God Virginia.
Speaker 3: That would definitely have not gone over so well in
Speaker 3: this day and age. But possibly possibly this is Kathleen May.
Speaker 3: This is the mom that the two boys ran home
Speaker 3: and grabbed. This is her drawing of what she saw
Speaker 3: that day.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Metal dress, clawed hands, ten foot tall spade. As far
Speaker 3: as like some sort of a hood or cowl or
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call that face with no real
Speaker 3: defining features except glowing red eyes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, So you know how you always see, like
Speaker 2: behind a lot of religious figures, like the sun is
Speaker 2: always behind their head. I wonder if what was going
Speaker 2: on behind this entity's head was like a flame, because
Speaker 2: it almost looks like a flame going up right.
Speaker 3: It kind of does, But they don't say that it
Speaker 3: was glowing. They say the eyes are glowing. I don't
Speaker 3: know if it was like a giant flame or maybe
Speaker 3: that's like supposed to be what that looks like is
Speaker 3: a flame but not actually a flame. Maybe that's what
Speaker 3: it was like based on as far as the design goes,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know alien you know, fashion choices,
Speaker 3: but I who knows.
Speaker 2: However, these incidents didn't get nearly as much attention as
Speaker 2: the sightings by Missus May and the six boys. Their
Speaker 2: story quickly spread in the flat Woods Monster was soon
Speaker 2: making headlines across the country, and so there was an
Speaker 2: official investigation. Though local police almost immediately dismissed the story
Speaker 2: of the flat Woods Monster as hysteria, others weren't so sure.
Speaker 2: One newspaper publisher who spoke with Missus May and the
Speaker 2: boys immediately after the incident said, in quotes, these people
Speaker 2: were the most scared people I've ever seen. Please don't
Speaker 2: make up that kind of story that quickly. People don't
Speaker 2: make up that kind of story that quickly. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I would agree.
Speaker 3: These people were scared shitless and they all came up
Speaker 3: with the exact same story that fast on a random
Speaker 3: September day. Keep in mind, those boys are playing at
Speaker 3: the school. It was the middle of the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not gonna This is why the whole idea
Speaker 2: of like a shared hallucination. I don't believe in shared
Speaker 2: hallucinations unless you're on like a psychedelic. But if you're,
Speaker 2: if you're like.
Speaker 3: You know, you're on the middle of nation even with
Speaker 3: psych adelics, do you realize how hard that is to
Speaker 3: achieve I'm not saying it's impossible.
Speaker 2: How rare. It is super rare, like it happens, but
Speaker 2: it's so and you almost gotta like try and make
Speaker 2: it happen. There's like techniques for it and shit like that.
Speaker 2: But this, I mean, dude, missus May and the boys
Speaker 2: like and they're all describing the same exactly. There's something
Speaker 2: going on here, dude, Like whenever you got everybody talking
Speaker 2: about a very similar thing and then the other couple,
Speaker 2: you know, their car breaks down and I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, we got the one nineteen year old National guardsman,
Speaker 3: and I mean just because he was in the National
Speaker 3: Guard doesn't make him like a source of like he
Speaker 3: knows what he's talking about. He was a nineteen year
Speaker 3: old from West Virginia who joined the National Guard. Like
Speaker 3: he was as much of a regular guy as you
Speaker 3: could think. These school children and their mom and this
Speaker 3: National Guard guy all saw the exact same thing. Broad daylight,
Speaker 3: middle of the day. The kids are playing at school
Speaker 3: and they saw this thing crash.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like they got woken up at two am
Speaker 3: and they were creeping out in the woods of flashlights
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: Okay, it was.
Speaker 3: Broad daylight, and they all came back with the exact
Speaker 3: same story, exact same smell, all these things. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: don't make that up that quickly, especially not in the
Speaker 3: big city of flat Woods in Braxton County. They're not
Speaker 3: trying to get famous from this shit. They're trying to
Speaker 3: understand what these are, what they want answers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that, you know, and I know
Speaker 2: that the National Security or the National guardsman was only nineteen.
Speaker 2: He's barely stepped his you know, his feet into the
Speaker 2: military world. But I think that people like to bring
Speaker 2: that up because they believe that maybe somebody in the
Speaker 2: military is less likely to fib about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'm not saying one hundred percent, but that's
Speaker 2: the overarching view is that usually military members are honest,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like they're doing something that
Speaker 2: is for it's selfless, it's for the contry kind of thing,
Speaker 2: you know, So it could be something like that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, So then they went on and they were
Speaker 3: invited to New York to speak about their experiences on CBS,
Speaker 3: and the news of the monster soon spread so far
Speaker 3: that even the US Air Force got involved. Their conclusion however,
Speaker 3: was similar to the local police is look at this one.
Speaker 2: I can't read these words. Yeah, I'll read it. So
Speaker 2: let me get the screen a little closer. Here it says,
Speaker 2: the monster which proud the hills of Braxton County on Friday,
Speaker 2: September twelfth, was drawn by a New York artist from
Speaker 2: descriptions given by missus Kathleen May and Gene Lemon, Flatwood's residents,
Speaker 2: who said that they saw the quote unquote thing. The
Speaker 2: two witnesses with a Lee Stuart Junior Sutton. My god,
Speaker 2: that's a long name. Oh a Lee Stuart Junior Sutton,
Speaker 2: publisher and their experiences on We the People television show
Speaker 2: in New York Friday night. And then it starts to
Speaker 2: rip off.
Speaker 3: But look, this is an image of a regular sized guy.
Speaker 3: This is the National Guardsman. This is the mom so
Speaker 3: an average dude, call that five ten maybe, And this
Speaker 3: was the size of the thing they saw.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is almost like a you know,
Speaker 2: it kind of looks like a Mars attacks kind of things.
Speaker 2: I think this might be the inspiration for that oh shit.
Speaker 3: So and I want you to keep this image specifically
Speaker 3: in your mind because when we start getting into what
Speaker 3: the official narrative, and some of the possible solutions are
Speaker 3: they are downright insulting, honestly.
Speaker 2: I mean, as you would probably expect that, especially for
Speaker 2: this time, Yeah, in nineteen forty eight. Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3: But I mean, like even still, bro, you couldn't come
Speaker 3: up with anything more than an owl.
Speaker 2: We'll get to it. We'll get to it. Andy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're probably looking at the police, are probably looking at
Speaker 2: the people. Y'all been smoking some of that wacky tobaki,
Speaker 2: haven't you right? Something bullshit like that. He's bumpkins in
Speaker 2: West Virginia.
Speaker 3: They don't know what they've seen except all of them
Speaker 3: saw this exact figure.
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, okay, So the Air Force determined that
Speaker 2: the streak of the streak the boys had seen in
Speaker 2: the sky was a meteor, which had also been spotted
Speaker 2: three hundred miles away in Baltimore at the very same time.
Speaker 2: As for the clawed monster with glowing eyes, it was
Speaker 2: simply an owl, investigator say, The mystery of the flat
Speaker 2: Woods Monster indoors to this day. The Roadside America reports
Speaker 2: that the tiny West Virginia town had embraced the legend,
Speaker 2: and there's even a museum dedicated to the cryptid that
Speaker 2: attracts believers of the paranormal from far and wide. We
Speaker 2: may never know the truth about the flat Woods Monster,
Speaker 2: but the legend will continue to live on an owl
Speaker 2: brow an owl, yeah no.
Speaker 3: And for those that may not understand exactly what I
Speaker 3: mean by an owl, we're going to talk more about it.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 2: They got some images that are going to make it
Speaker 2: make a little more sense, you know. Just let's dive
Speaker 2: in here.
Speaker 3: This is actually from historic mysteries, and this is where
Speaker 3: we have another one talking about this exact same instance.
Speaker 3: And I want everybody to pay attention to which sections
Speaker 3: of the story change depending on the narrator.
Speaker 2: Okay says something is lurking deep in the deep forest
Speaker 2: in Flatwoods in West Virginia's Braxton County. Although only cited
Speaker 2: a few times, the occurrence was so terrifying to witnesses
Speaker 2: that it will never be forgotten. Also known as the
Speaker 2: Braxton County Monster, the Flatwood's Monster is an entity that
Speaker 2: was sighted on September twelfth, nineteen fifty two, in the
Speaker 2: forests of the eastern United States. Many a theorized as
Speaker 2: to what was seen that night, but the question remains
Speaker 2: what was the Flatwood's Monster so Dum in September twelfth,
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty two, and the night was drawing in. At
Speaker 2: around seven to fifteen pm in the evening, two brothers
Speaker 2: named Freddie and Edward, and two of their friends, Tommy
Speaker 2: and Neil, were playing on the lawn of the Flatwoods
Speaker 2: Elementary School. All of a sudden, they could see a
Speaker 2: bright light in the sky. It appeared to them as
Speaker 2: if something crashed nearby and landed on G. Bailey Fisher,
Speaker 2: a local farmer. They ran to the Maze to the
Speaker 2: Maze House nearby home and told them what they had
Speaker 2: seen to Kathleen May. Kathleen May informed Eugene Lemon, a
Speaker 2: National guardsman, about the incident. They all, along with Richie,
Speaker 2: the family dog, went to the crash site to find
Speaker 2: out what it actually was. When they reached the crash site,
Speaker 2: they noticed a strange metallic smell in the air. Moreover,
Speaker 2: they also heard a number of high pitched noises that
Speaker 2: came from the darkness in front of them. Not scared
Speaker 2: at this point, they pressed on, intrigued by what had
Speaker 2: happened there. Then the group came across a horrific site
Speaker 2: out of the darkness. They saw a ten foot tall
Speaker 2: creature described as wearing a metal dress and with a
Speaker 2: spade shaped head. The hands of the creature were clawed
Speaker 2: and twisted.
Speaker 3: So this is a cartoon rendition of it. But again
Speaker 3: the image is pretty much etched in stone. We have
Speaker 3: another thing where we show about the museum of the monster.
Speaker 3: It's pretty wild, dude, it's yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, so the eyes of the creature glowed orange.
Speaker 2: Oh I thought it was red.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying there's these weird little differences that depending
Speaker 3: on who you ask, it changes, But there's some parts
Speaker 3: that are just like set in stone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it seemed to them as if the
Speaker 2: creature was just floating above the ground. Seeing the creature
Speaker 2: glide and hiss, all of them fled the area out
Speaker 2: of terror. So this is this is where it starts
Speaker 2: to get into like all right, uh, who like what
Speaker 2: local newspaper are in the pockets of the people that
Speaker 2: are enforcing the MK ultra, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like it it gets you to think, because if there's
Speaker 2: a newspaper or a radio station or a television station
Speaker 2: or something like that that is in the pocket of
Speaker 2: the government that is trying to hush hush a story,
Speaker 2: then you're gonna get a story about what you just heard,
Speaker 2: you know, in the previous article. Whenever it just says,
Speaker 2: oh well, it's probably you know, it gives you all
Speaker 2: the facts, it gives you. It gives you as many
Speaker 2: facts with just a couple of little twists to make
Speaker 2: you not believe it. And I think that that is
Speaker 2: probably the work of some that's in the pocket of
Speaker 2: government agencies. Personally, that's where I come from. But whenever
Speaker 2: you hear stories like you know, not even proceeding the
Speaker 2: same exact story with entirely different details, could it just
Speaker 2: be that there's a misunderstanding of the story. Could it
Speaker 2: be that somebody's trying to fluff up the story. That's
Speaker 2: always possible, But for a story like this to have
Speaker 2: been documented, you know, so many times and it happened
Speaker 2: back in the fifties like these, it could it be
Speaker 2: that there are actual, like real excited reporters who are
Speaker 2: excited to learn the true story to see if the
Speaker 2: stories in the media were just squash pieces, Like I
Speaker 2: love those kind of reporters that really want to know
Speaker 2: the truth. If you have, you know, a kindling of
Speaker 2: something within you that says I think there's more of
Speaker 2: the story because those people were not just full of shit,
Speaker 2: right exactly.
Speaker 3: But even to that point, look the hold the orange eyes?
Speaker 3: Does that look like orange eyes? The picture literally above those.
Speaker 2: Words the mouth area looks orange.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, but there's all of the glowing red
Speaker 3: eyes though. You see what I mean, it's like they
Speaker 3: and we're nitpicking on this one. Fine it hissing at them.
Speaker 3: That's a new feature, right, And you're gonna see there's
Speaker 3: other sightings down here that are brought up and you know,
Speaker 3: why weren't those brought up on the other article? Why
Speaker 3: are they brought up on this article? And that's kind
Speaker 3: of a point here, bro. I'm not denying that the
Speaker 3: story is real. I'm saying that we need to acknowledge
Speaker 3: and bring to light the twists that people will put
Speaker 3: on it, right the spins, if you will.
Speaker 2: What was the language that Harry Potter understood, like speaking
Speaker 2: to the snakes parcel tongue? Yes, yes, And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, do you think that that could be something
Speaker 2: that's possibly real, like people who are actually speaking to
Speaker 2: snakes or possibly because you know that like they found
Speaker 2: a way to communicate with dolphins, right, Like they know,
Speaker 2: like they're starting to really comprehend it, and they like
Speaker 2: they hook it up to AI to try and see
Speaker 2: if AI can decipher what the dolphin is saying. So
Speaker 2: that way you can go and have back and forth
Speaker 2: conversations with a dolphin. And shit, imagine what the fuck
Speaker 2: a dolphin's going to tell you, dude, Like, what if
Speaker 2: there's some shit in the sea that like, you know,
Speaker 2: the government or the military somebody doesn't want us to
Speaker 2: know about. But then there's this one rogue dolphins that's like, yo,
Speaker 2: I got the scoop here it is. You just need
Speaker 2: to be able to understand the kind of thing I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: And as thing, dolphin berths used to be a thing,
Speaker 3: and then they outlawed them. Apparently the dolphins would be
Speaker 3: able to sonar speak to the child and tell it
Speaker 3: to come out and shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the baby wouldn't come out crying, you know,
Speaker 2: it would come out like super welcomed to the world,
Speaker 2: and not under like a bright fluorescent light with a
Speaker 2: bunch of different hands on it like in a doctor's office. Yeah, dude, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't want us know in a lot about this shit.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so it started to hiss. The incident was
Speaker 2: reported by Lemon and May to the local authorities. The
Speaker 2: local authorities searched the area throughout the night, but we're
Speaker 2: not able to find anything matching the description given to
Speaker 2: them by the terrified witnesses. Aside from their obvious distresses
Speaker 2: to what they had seen, the group also suffered physical
Speaker 2: side effects in the following days. Physical side effects. They
Speaker 2: experienced vomiting, nausea, and throat irritation for a number of days.
Speaker 2: All of them, now, all.
Speaker 3: Of them experienced these things. And again, that's kind of
Speaker 3: a key detail. Why wasn't that mentioned on the previous article,
Speaker 3: because that's something that you're gonna hear on a couple
Speaker 3: of these things. I pulled up here and it was
Speaker 3: they said a burnt metallic smell. Some will say a
Speaker 3: sulfur smell. You know, sulfur does not smell like burnt metal.
Speaker 3: Nose smell is completely different than rotten eggs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, let's let's just try and imagine here,
Speaker 2: you're out in the woods and your gallivant and you're
Speaker 2: seeing all these different plants, all the different trees. I'm
Speaker 2: sure the air is a little bit different in there,
Speaker 2: and it's in it's in West Virginia, so maybe it's
Speaker 2: a little bit humid, right, I mean, it's not as
Speaker 2: much humidity in West Virginia and Pennsylvania as much as
Speaker 2: it is in the south, obviously in Louisiana, but it's
Speaker 2: still up in the seventies as far as percentage of
Speaker 2: humidity up north. So it's not like fucking Arizona where
Speaker 2: there's no humidity. Right, So, just going off of the
Speaker 2: vomiting and the throaty irritation and shit like that, what
Speaker 2: do you think could have realistically if it's not what
Speaker 2: they're saying it is, what would be the explanation.
Speaker 3: I don't think there is a good explanation. There's no
Speaker 3: official narrative explanation that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Maybe they ate some berries they shouldn't have eaten.
Speaker 3: Possibly, do you feel like you would have heard that like, oh,
Speaker 3: along the trail, we stopped and picked some blackberries from this,
Speaker 3: and we kept on looking for this thing like none
Speaker 3: of that is said, right, and it's possible that maybe
Speaker 3: that is a thing that happened and nobody ever reported it.
Speaker 3: I just don't see it, man, I don't see it.
Speaker 3: I know personally from doing the night fighting and shit,
Speaker 3: the smell of ozone can be nauseating for sure. Dude,
Speaker 3: you get a spark thrown into your helmet, it can
Speaker 3: it sucks the oxygen out, and it can make you nauseated.
Speaker 3: It can make you gas for air, all these things, throat, irritation, though, nausea, vomiting,
Speaker 3: all of that. Like that's different. That's that's something else.
Speaker 3: And I'm not even saying that that was like the
Speaker 3: monster did that to them. It might just be like
Speaker 3: a result of his craft crashing or something. Maybe that's
Speaker 3: what Like you know, how like a smelling diesel right burning,
Speaker 3: it's not a fun smell.
Speaker 2: It can absolutely make you nausees. I have no idea
Speaker 2: what the fuel.
Speaker 3: Source is for an alien craft, but if he just
Speaker 3: crashed and we have all of this burning fuel of
Speaker 3: some type, maybe that's what the smell was.
Speaker 2: Maybe what in the monster himself, I don't know. Well,
Speaker 2: and think about it like like Superman. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know it's a fictitious story, but like Superman, kl el
Speaker 2: came from you know, planet Krypton or whatever the fuck,
Speaker 2: and he wasn't special there, like he was just another guy.
Speaker 2: So if he comes now he's special here, and the
Speaker 2: same thing for like venom, like venom, you know, the
Speaker 2: the goo or whatever that came from another planet was
Speaker 2: actually considered a loser, like he admits, he goes, I
Speaker 2: was a loser like you, even when he's talking to
Speaker 2: Tom Hardy and then he comes there and he's obviously
Speaker 2: the shit, right, And so I think that you could
Speaker 2: have something like that to where you know, something from
Speaker 2: somewhere else could come here and it could seem it
Speaker 2: could It's gonna have some side effects, some things that
Speaker 2: people aren't familiar with obviously. You're talking about like different
Speaker 2: every like the chemical makeup of whatever is coming here
Speaker 2: has to be different if it's coming from another place,
Speaker 2: another when another where whatever, you know, Like right, just
Speaker 2: mathematically our environment here on Earth is like like one
Speaker 2: of a kind, isn't it? So you would imagine that
Speaker 2: wherever they come from could also be a one of
Speaker 2: a kind thing.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean hell, Like what's normal you ever like
Speaker 3: walk into like growing up, you ever walk into one
Speaker 3: of your homeboys' houses and like they their house has
Speaker 3: a smell to it, Yeah, and it's kind of their smell. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what like you've you've been around this kid
Speaker 3: for years and years, and like he has a smell
Speaker 3: about I'm not I'm not saying he stinks, right, it
Speaker 3: could be like it could be the detergent that his
Speaker 3: mom uses or something.
Speaker 2: Their home smell whatever it is, right.
Speaker 3: And then you walk into that home and you get
Speaker 3: hit with that smell and it's like, oh, oh right,
Speaker 3: you live here, you smell like this place. This makes
Speaker 3: sense to me. What does that seem like from an
Speaker 3: alien perspective?
Speaker 2: Great point, yeah, no idea? Okay, So. Miss Ada Harper,
Speaker 2: a resident of the flat Woods, also reported seeing a
Speaker 2: similar creature not long before the fish Or farm. In
Speaker 2: an incident, according to Harper, while she was walking through
Speaker 2: the forest or walking through the woods near the town
Speaker 2: of Heaters, she saw the monster. Harper, along with her friends,
Speaker 2: was going to a nearby store. Instead of taking the
Speaker 2: long route, they chose to take a shortcut through the forest.
Speaker 2: After they had covered only a half a mile distance,
Speaker 2: they saw what they thought was a fire on a hill.
Speaker 2: At first, Harper dismissed the site. However, when she took
Speaker 2: a glance back, she could no longer see the fire. Instead,
Speaker 2: she saw a tall, man shaped figure. Out of terror,
Speaker 2: Harper and her friend fled from the site.
Speaker 3: Okay, what's this here? Oh, that's the Project Blue Book anyway.
Speaker 2: After the incident, on September twelfth, another mysterious sighting was
Speaker 2: recorded in the flat Woods. According to that story, Edith
Speaker 2: and George Snizkowski, along with their eighteen month old son,
Speaker 2: were passing through the rural area between Braxton and Clay County.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, their car stopped mister Sniskowski. Snitzkowski
Speaker 2: tried to start the car, but all of his efforts
Speaker 2: went in vain as it was as it was night,
Speaker 2: the road was completely deserted. While they were figuring out
Speaker 2: what to do, they became aware of a foul smell
Speaker 2: and their baby suddenly started crying. Then, inexplicably, inexplicably, the
Speaker 2: darkness was filled with a bright, strange light. Ahead of
Speaker 2: them on the road, the couple saw a ten foot
Speaker 2: tall creature in front of the car. The description provided
Speaker 2: by the couple was very similar to the monster scene
Speaker 2: on September twelfth evening. However, this monster did not wear
Speaker 2: the spade shaped hood. Instead, the head of the monster
Speaker 2: was bony and reptilian, shape shifting shit Reptilians are known
Speaker 2: for their shape shifting. That could explain why they saw
Speaker 2: two different things. Could be?
Speaker 3: Could it also be that the spade shaped hood was
Speaker 3: its version of.
Speaker 2: A space suit. Oh okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: Off, because he was like, oh okay, I could breathe
Speaker 3: this air, It's okay, So he took it off when
Speaker 3: he appeared before these people.
Speaker 2: Could be? Could be? It says the explanations and theories.
Speaker 2: The incident on September twelfth was investigated. However, no evidence
Speaker 2: of a crash or any monster was found. In two thousand,
Speaker 2: after the investigation of the case, Joe Nickel from a
Speaker 2: Committee for Skeptical Inquiry, came to the conclusion that the
Speaker 2: bright light scene on September twelfth was likely to be
Speaker 2: a meteor. The pulsating red light seen by the group
Speaker 2: could have been a hazard beacon or aircraft navigate light.
Speaker 2: The night when the bright light was seen on September twelfth,
Speaker 2: a media was observed in the three states of Pennsylvania, Maryland,
Speaker 2: and West Virginia. The flashing red aircraft beacons could also
Speaker 2: be seen from the area of sightings. Okay, real quick,
Speaker 2: they keep throwing this term out meteor. Do they mean UFO.
Speaker 3: Was saw from three different states because they said it
Speaker 3: was seen in Baltimore, Maryland. Now we're hearing Pennsylvania and
Speaker 3: of course West Virginia. That's where this whole thing has
Speaker 3: taking place. But yeah, okay, it could have been a
Speaker 3: meteor that happened that night. Sure, did the meteor produce
Speaker 3: a ten foot tall reptilian spade headed beast?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I don't think that's how meteors get down. But that
Speaker 3: being said, this is the image. And before I scroll
Speaker 3: down when I said an owl earlier, you see.
Speaker 2: The pictures that are being drawn here. Look at this.
Speaker 3: Look at this with your eyeballs right now, and you
Speaker 3: see this, dude, right here, you see this. The only
Speaker 3: thing owl like would be like the eyes.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is what maybe the clause? No, no, fuck no, close, dude,
Speaker 2: And you're talking about something that's ten foot tall.
Speaker 3: Ten fucking foot tall, Jonathan, An owl is what a
Speaker 3: foot I'll give you possibly two and a half. Maybe
Speaker 3: they got some big ass owls. Fine, bro, And they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: what was a shadow?
Speaker 2: No at not.
Speaker 3: It was seven fifteen when it crashed. By the time
Speaker 3: they got out, there was dark.
Speaker 2: What shadow? Bro? And like I said, owls. Usually it
Speaker 2: let's just say that there was an owl in the area.
Speaker 2: Pretty likely it's in the woods, right, They're usually like, uh,
Speaker 2: there's usually like an omen something like, there's always some
Speaker 2: kind of ominous meaning as to like certain certain owl sightings.
Speaker 2: Maybe you hear a hoot, maybe you see an owl,
Speaker 2: maybe you see the owl's eyes or whatever. But they're
Speaker 2: usually always seen as some kind of omens. So could
Speaker 2: an owl have been there as a pos precursor possibly,
Speaker 2: But to say that that entity was only an owl, that's.
Speaker 3: This clearly is the spade shape. You see how his
Speaker 3: wings are doing. It's like, no, dude, like that.
Speaker 2: And also I want to say this story too. So
Speaker 2: it was like seven eight years ago something like that.
Speaker 2: Me and my brother were we were over at my
Speaker 2: sister's house in Louisiana and there was gonna be a
Speaker 2: meteor shower that night. So we me and my brother,
Speaker 2: we decided to go out and sit in my sister's
Speaker 2: driveway and just watch the meteor shower. You know, it's
Speaker 2: it's always so cool anytime you hear a meteor showers coming. Dude,
Speaker 2: go sit in some fucking lawn chairs on your roof
Speaker 2: or in your driveway in your backyard or whatever, and
Speaker 2: just watch the media shower because you see so many
Speaker 2: of them, and some of them come like really close.
Speaker 2: And so we were sitting out there one night we
Speaker 2: saw a number of meteors that were, you know, really
Speaker 2: high up, like shooting star kind of thing, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, dude, fucking out of nowhere, this
Speaker 2: one meteor comes and I shit, you not, dude. This
Speaker 2: meteor was like maybe one hundred and fifty feet off
Speaker 2: the ground, and me and my brother were like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I cannot believe. We just saw that, Like
Speaker 2: it was like fucking streaking through the sky and it
Speaker 2: seemed like it could have landed literally three neighborhoods down,
Speaker 2: like that's how close it was. They reported saying that
Speaker 2: it actually landed in Florida, which blows my damn mind.
Speaker 2: But you know, during that I knew that it was
Speaker 2: a meteor, you know what I'm saying, Like there was
Speaker 2: nothing ominous about it was really cool. But to say
Speaker 2: that a fucking you're seeing some kind of cryptid you're
Speaker 2: not gonna mistake the two Like That's that's my point
Speaker 2: is that we didn't mistakingly say, oh, that was probably
Speaker 2: a UFO. No, like it was on a trajectory. It
Speaker 2: was speeding very fast, it was streaking through the sky.
Speaker 2: We knew what it was. To say that that that
Speaker 2: that something like that could be explained as a cryptid,
Speaker 2: that's that there's no way.
Speaker 3: So there's an official narrative. There's a meteor that land
Speaker 3: in a fireball that instantly went away, and an owl
Speaker 3: cast a shadow that scared the hell out of these people.
Speaker 3: Bro And then not only that, there was other sightings.
Speaker 3: And that doesn't explain the smell. That doesn't explain the
Speaker 3: nause in the vomiting, That doesn't explain ten foot tall,
Speaker 3: that didn't explain the hissing. Owls don't hiss, right, So
Speaker 3: none of this makes sense. But anyway, we're gonna continue reading.
Speaker 3: But I did want to show this is what they're
Speaker 3: h I guess proposing, was the image that they were
Speaker 3: seeing was because of this. And for the record, none
Speaker 3: of the stories had any kind of an owl in
Speaker 3: the woods that they saw that night. The only reason
Speaker 3: they're saying it is because the eyes might have been
Speaker 3: glowing against the flashlight shine and the wings can do
Speaker 3: this shape, which is why they think that it was
Speaker 3: the spade shape that was seen.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. And look at this. It even says it
Speaker 2: right here. The monstrous creature itself was most was most
Speaker 2: likely to be an owl that was magnified due to
Speaker 2: the shadow. Yeah, okay, how do you magnify something with
Speaker 2: a shadow? Well, I mean, like go.
Speaker 3: Shadow puppets, right, Like if I would have flashed, I hear,
Speaker 3: my hands are this big, but against the big ass wall,
Speaker 3: my fingers can look you know, thirty feet tall or whatever. Like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I understand the idea here. But if it was a shadow,
Speaker 3: then how were the eyes glowing in a shadow?
Speaker 2: Ah? That's weird. So, according to Nickel, the perceptions of
Speaker 2: the witness were distorted due to their high level of anxiety.
Speaker 3: All of them okay, all of them, yeah, the kids maybe,
Speaker 3: the mom eh, the National guardsmen possibly, and all of
Speaker 3: them shared the exact same hallucination and anxiety and hysteria.
Speaker 2: Okay, So sure, such a high level of anxiety that,
Speaker 2: it says this explanation would certainly fit with the clawed
Speaker 2: hands and glowing eyes and the appearance of floating bro
Speaker 2: I know, fear as a motherfucker. Fear be scary you know,
Speaker 2: but you know, as they say, the only thing to
Speaker 2: fear is fear itself, which I totally am on board with.
Speaker 2: But to say that you are so scared that all
Speaker 2: of you shared a hallucination of clawed hands, glowing eyes,
Speaker 2: and something floating off the ground, Dude, if you got
Speaker 2: one of those things, you know, similar with whatever the
Speaker 2: other person that experience, you might be able to say
Speaker 2: it's a hallucination. But maybe all of these things all
Speaker 2: at the same time, they're all being able to describe it,
Speaker 2: but it's all just a feared hallucination. Get the fuck
Speaker 2: out of here.
Speaker 3: Smell the hissing, the sickness afterwards, and then the other
Speaker 3: couple that saw it, and then that other woman that.
Speaker 2: Saw it, Like, what are we talking about here, dude?
Speaker 2: As an explanation, this seems reasonable, but other aspects of
Speaker 2: the encounter are way less or less easy to explain.
Speaker 2: What caused the smell or the fireball clearly seen on
Speaker 2: the ground, and what then did the Snitzkowskis see in
Speaker 2: front of their car with a reptilian head that could
Speaker 2: not be mistaken for an owl? Yeah? Sorry, sorry, I
Speaker 2: never looked at an owl and thought, oh that looks
Speaker 2: like a lizard. Never in my life, two totally different creatures.
Speaker 2: Very so it says whether the Flatwood Monster was real
Speaker 2: or not. It is left behind some legacies. A welcome
Speaker 2: sign was erected by the Flatwood officials in which the
Speaker 2: town was designated as home of the Green Monster. In
Speaker 2: the town. The Flatwood Days Festival is also celebrated every
Speaker 2: year in the memory of the legend. A Flatwood Monster
Speaker 2: Museum has also been established dedicated to the sightings. Oh
Speaker 2: that's cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the town has really leaned into it, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And they, of course maybe not
Speaker 3: like Roswell in New Mexico. Of course they're going to
Speaker 3: lean into it.
Speaker 2: I loved Roswell too. Like Roswell, if anybody ever gets
Speaker 2: the chance, if you love aliens and UFOs, Roswell is
Speaker 2: the coolest place because literally the entire town is alien
Speaker 2: and UFO centric. Like even in the McDonald's bro it's
Speaker 2: all aliens. Like it's it's crazy. They have like a
Speaker 2: huge like alien statue writ in front of McDonald's, which
Speaker 2: is pretty fucking sweet. Uh is a alien Ronald McDonald?
Speaker 2: Uh No, No, it's just like a big, tall, metal
Speaker 2: alien statue right on the McDonald's like property, that's legit
Speaker 2: that you see like as soon as you walk in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in a lot of the shops and shit, they have
Speaker 2: like the the the lawn ornaments of you know, alien
Speaker 2: creatures in the lawn. It's really fucking cool. And then
Speaker 2: you get you get to see like the Roswell Museum
Speaker 2: and you know, all, dude, there's that museum was probably
Speaker 2: the coolest part of the entire trip because it shows
Speaker 2: all the documented articles and all the people sharing their
Speaker 2: story about what they had seen. The one, uh, there
Speaker 2: was one guy we talked about him, but there was
Speaker 2: one guy that like made it his life's mission to
Speaker 2: like prove what what was going on over at Area
Speaker 2: fifty one and Roswell were absolutely real. Hell, like made
Speaker 2: his life. He believes it's so much he dedicate his
Speaker 2: fucking life to it. I mean why not. You're living
Speaker 2: in Roswell, man, I mean you may as well. So Moreover,
Speaker 2: the media in and beyond West Virginia seems to be
Speaker 2: inspired by the Flatwood's Monster legend. A number of video
Speaker 2: games also contained some references to the legend of the
Speaker 2: Flatwood's Monster, and it has become something of a pop
Speaker 2: culture icon. It has been more than seventy years since
Speaker 2: the incident, however, many people still say that they can
Speaker 2: smell something metallic in the air and hear the hissing
Speaker 2: sound around September twelfth each year. The nineteen fifty two
Speaker 2: incident has left a huge impact on the community in
Speaker 2: this rural area.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, okay, okay, cool. So we could see how
Speaker 3: some bits of the story were starting to, ah well,
Speaker 3: they were starting to shift a bit. The intentions were
Speaker 3: not lost by any means, but at the same time,
Speaker 3: certain things kind of didn't make it to the final cut.
Speaker 3: Like that first article we read brought up nothing of
Speaker 3: the people getting sick, which I think is kind of
Speaker 3: a big one, right, the foul smelling odor that the
Speaker 3: couple in the car smelled and the people smell like
Speaker 3: that's that's kind of an identifying feature. Why wasn't it mentioned?
Speaker 3: So now we're gonna read this ranker article here, and
Speaker 3: it says in the title, whatever it is the flat
Speaker 3: Woods Monster West Virginia makes all who encounter it violently ill.
Speaker 3: Now that's a lot different than some nausea, some heads
Speaker 3: spinning in, some diarrhea, violently.
Speaker 2: Ill oh yeah, yeah. So it says when a group
Speaker 2: of young friends investigated the crash, they ran a foul
Speaker 2: of the strange creature that put off a noxious fog
Speaker 2: before chasing them through the forest. The flat Woods Monster
Speaker 2: is definitely one of the strangest urban legends from West Virginia,
Speaker 2: and it has a lot of moving parts. The facts
Speaker 2: about West Virginia's flat Woods Monster aren't cut and dry,
Speaker 2: and like many stories of close encounters of the third kinds,
Speaker 2: it comes with a lot of ifs, ands and butts.
Speaker 2: The creature that landed in West Virginia is one of
Speaker 2: many monsters that make people sick, but the reasons why
Speaker 2: are still contentious among medical professionals and UFO investigators. Was
Speaker 2: the Flatwoods Monster a hoax, a mass hallucination or was
Speaker 2: it a creature from beyond the stars that just felt
Speaker 2: like stirring up some trouble, Which is interesting if you
Speaker 2: think about it, Like, you know, the the the government,
Speaker 2: especially around that time, was was doing a lot of
Speaker 2: like military operations testing certain what was it that they
Speaker 2: gave like the what was it it was?
Speaker 3: I forget what the sickness itself was. They were spraying
Speaker 3: that pink mold all over the place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so and then there was like the
Speaker 2: what was it like the fucking the crabs blankets or
Speaker 2: gone rhea smallpox blankets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that was in the eighteen hundred to the
Speaker 3: Native Americans though, but for sure, for.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah, And so I don't know, it could
Speaker 2: be just something like that that maybe there are people
Speaker 2: that are reacting to whatever the government is testing on
Speaker 2: that area, right, like that could be a solution, it
Speaker 2: could be.
Speaker 3: But also wanting to point out a noxious fog that
Speaker 3: wasn't brought up in any of the other articles before
Speaker 3: chasing them through the forest. Nowhere have we read that
Speaker 3: the monster chased them. They got scared and ran away,
Speaker 3: Nothing about the monster chasing them, right, So you could
Speaker 3: see what I mean. The articles, depending on who's writing it,
Speaker 3: depending on the sources, they start to shift a bit.
Speaker 3: The monster being seen, the descriptions that was given. That's
Speaker 3: clear that that's not changing. We have read the one
Speaker 3: thing about orange eyes. That's like the only time where
Speaker 3: the description has changed. The claws, the metal dress, the
Speaker 3: spade head or the reptilian head.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 3: Now all of a sudden, it's not only just hissing
Speaker 3: at them. It's chasing them, and it produced its own
Speaker 3: noxious fog gas that made them violently ill.
Speaker 2: So okay, So the Flatwood's monster appearance is pure nightmare
Speaker 2: of fuel. The description of the many of many cryptids
Speaker 2: to ends to vary between retellings, but stories about the
Speaker 2: Flatwood's Monster rarely changes its look. Witnesses have described the
Speaker 2: monster as being towering and around seven feet tall, with
Speaker 2: a black body and a dark glowing face, surrounded by
Speaker 2: a pointed hoodlike shape. So from ten foot tall to
Speaker 2: now seven foot tall? Yeah, I think I would know
Speaker 2: the difference between ten and seven feet though, you know,
Speaker 2: or saying.
Speaker 3: Like the head is seven and the rest of the
Speaker 3: point of the spade makes it ten.
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, could be that hoodlike shape. Many
Speaker 2: people describe the creature's eyes as shining like an animal's
Speaker 2: in the darkness, which many people have taken to mean
Speaker 2: that the creature has an owl like head. The monster's
Speaker 2: body allegedly has a series of folds that ripple across
Speaker 2: its torso down toward its feet. Some witnesses have said
Speaker 2: that the creature has gnarled claws that lash outed people
Speaker 2: from its branch like arms. It's likely that the creature's
Speaker 2: color isn't actually black, but a dark green or brown
Speaker 2: that's given a colorless look once removed from a light source.
Speaker 2: Some witnesses to the monster added a robotic dress or
Speaker 2: ship to its bottom half, giving it a kind of
Speaker 2: sonic the hedgehog villain vibe. I get that, I do.
Speaker 3: However, Okay, you know, like a green or brown, how
Speaker 3: they get dark with no light?
Speaker 2: Bro name a color that doesn't get dark and no
Speaker 2: light that you could literally say that for any color.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And you see what I'm saying, Like, Oh,
Speaker 3: the creature's eyes shine, giving it an owl like head. Okay,
Speaker 3: how many creatures whenever you shine a flashlight in their
Speaker 3: eyes in the woods shine back at you.
Speaker 2: I'll give you a hint most of them. And also,
Speaker 2: you know, whenever I think of an owl, like, one
Speaker 2: of the most distinguishing feature features is on an owl
Speaker 2: outside of its eyes are the pointed ears. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: like the batman like ears. There's no ears on this thing. None.
Speaker 3: It's a spade pointed hood thing. You don't see pointed
Speaker 3: ears like an owl. So I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: So it says being in the presence of the Flatwood's
Speaker 2: Monster causes nausea and convulsing, So everyone who's had the
Speaker 2: poor luck to run into the Flatwood's Monster has experienced
Speaker 2: the same physical symptoms to varying degrees. Some of them
Speaker 2: deal with throat and nose irritation, while other people who
Speaker 2: were in the vicinity began vomitating and convulsing. Weeks after
Speaker 2: the event, one of the boys in the group, gene Lemon,
Speaker 2: was still unable to swallow liquids because of the irritation.
Speaker 2: A doctor who examined the group said that their ailments
Speaker 2: were similar to those suffered by soldiers who encountered mustard gas.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, what was it that? What did they always say?
Speaker 2: The kissing disease? Oh? Mono mono, I mean, mano would
Speaker 2: probably cause similar things. Right now.
Speaker 3: Mono makes you just like super sick and weak. And
Speaker 3: I don't even I don't know personally if it makes
Speaker 3: you puke and shit a bunch or if it just
Speaker 3: kills your appetite, makes you like super sick. I've only
Speaker 3: known one person to get mono. She was a chick
Speaker 3: in high school and she was like I would say,
Speaker 3: objectively hot, and like was thick and then she no
Speaker 3: only thick like I mean she was, she had curves
Speaker 3: to her right. She catches mono, She goes away for
Speaker 3: like thirteen months, and she comes back looking like a
Speaker 3: fucking twig, like that mono smacked her.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I know. It was going around a lot.
Speaker 2: Whenever I was living in Pennsylvania, everybody was getting mono.
Speaker 2: It was like everybody in my grade had it. Cause yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was like uh like it was like you know
Speaker 2: how everybody whenever people get sick. Nowadays it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you got COVID, right, Yeah. Back then, it was just
Speaker 2: understood that, especially like kid age people, it was mono. Man.
Speaker 3: I see, we never really had that big outbreak of
Speaker 3: it growing up in Louisiana.
Speaker 2: Man, it could have just been a misunderstanding. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, at least at least that's what the school
Speaker 2: nurses were telling us. Anyway, I mean maybe it was.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe that was like an advanced case.
Speaker 3: Also, like maybe there's like lighter cases of mono or
Speaker 3: something like that. But if your boy is having issues
Speaker 3: swallowing food, maybe like some streped throat type of situation. Okay,
Speaker 3: I could see this with you but the nausea, all
Speaker 3: this other stuff with it. They're saying it was like
Speaker 3: the effects of mustard gas. We haven't heard that from
Speaker 3: any earlier reports yet, so that's next level.
Speaker 2: So a doctor also noted that the effects are the
Speaker 2: same as people who are suffering from hysteria. But the
Speaker 2: claim somehow sign sounds even more ridiculous than a group
Speaker 2: of people seeing a horrific owl creature in the woods.
Speaker 2: Many alien abductees have had similar symptoms to the people
Speaker 2: who saw the Flatwood's Monster, which points towards the creature
Speaker 2: being from another planet or dimension. Let's go, baby, let's go.
Speaker 2: Absolutely so there is an ominous myths that follows the creature,
Speaker 2: it says. Stories of the flat Woods Monster note that
Speaker 2: the fireball or meteor like object proceed its appearance, but
Speaker 2: what happens after the creature begins stalking through the woods?
Speaker 2: It one all over the place there. In its first
Speaker 2: reported appearance, the boys who saw the creature noted that
Speaker 2: a foul odor and a heavy miss seemed to emanate
Speaker 2: from the monster. Two of the boys were allegedly sprayed
Speaker 2: in the face by the smoke that seemed to come
Speaker 2: from within the folds of the monster's body.
Speaker 3: Haven't heard that anywhere else but this article. And I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that makes this fake. I'm saying, why wasn't
Speaker 3: that reported.
Speaker 2: Other places sprayed in the face by a smoke that
Speaker 2: came from folds on them? First of all, what does
Speaker 2: it even mean? The folds? Are we talking about like
Speaker 2: like a gill like thing that you know?
Speaker 3: It's like it says, a metal dress, right, whatever it's
Speaker 3: wearing has like folds in it, like creases if you will.
Speaker 2: Ew. That's fucking strange, dude. As the night went on,
Speaker 2: the mist grew into a heavy fog that settled across
Speaker 2: the countryside. After the boys were sprayed with the mist
Speaker 2: made it home, they noticed that their faces were covered
Speaker 2: with an oily residue. Their throats swelled up so much
Speaker 2: that they couldn't drink liquids for two weeks. The way
Speaker 2: oily residue die. Well, I mean, clearly they're hallucinating because
Speaker 2: they have a fucking oily residue on them.
Speaker 3: Clearly they're hallucinating that they couldn't drink water for two weeks.
Speaker 2: Which also, how did they not die?
Speaker 3: I don't even know, Well, it probably it was probably
Speaker 3: starting IVS in nineteen forty eight.
Speaker 2: Well, it was probably just like hard for them, not
Speaker 2: that they couldn't. I don't That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Man, I don't know how much of this is like
Speaker 3: creative liberties, how much of this is true to the facts.
Speaker 3: None of the other articles he read said anything about
Speaker 3: boys getting sprayed with oily substance, But that doesn't mean
Speaker 3: it wasn't something that happened.
Speaker 2: Maybe those are things that were omitted from other stories.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, you know, whenever you get sick
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, dude, I can't even get up
Speaker 2: out of bed. I mean you can, It's just hard,
Speaker 2: kind of right, right, So, the Flatwood's Monster has been
Speaker 2: around for a long time. It says the Flatwood's Monster
Speaker 2: first entered into the public consciousness in nineteen fifty two
Speaker 2: after a group of children aged ten to seventeen that
Speaker 2: included brothers Edward and fred May chased a ball of
Speaker 2: fire that fell from the sky into the hills of
Speaker 2: Braxon County. They allegedly followed the ball of fire slash
Speaker 2: Ufo into the hills and ran into the creature before
Speaker 2: high tailing it out of there. When the local sheriff
Speaker 2: began to investigate the sighting. He learned that there had
Speaker 2: been numerous sightings of the creature prior to the sighting
Speaker 2: by the May children. It could be that the Flatwood's
Speaker 2: Monster was actually an extraterrestrial that landed in the area
Speaker 2: to do research, or it could be an inter dimensional
Speaker 2: cryptid similar to sasquatch. Either way, there's something in Braxton County,
Speaker 2: West Virginia that draws the creature to its dark woods. Okay,
Speaker 2: so the monster made a second appearance hours after the
Speaker 2: first recorded encounter. A few hours after the May brothers
Speaker 2: and their friends ran into the creature in the woods,
Speaker 2: another group had the unlucky distinction of meeting the Flatwood's Monster. Allegedly,
Speaker 2: a couple and their infant were driving down the highway
Speaker 2: when their car mysteriously broke down. The husband got out
Speaker 2: of the car and immediately knew something was off, he claimed.
Speaker 2: He later claimed to feel a low level jolt of
Speaker 2: electricity moved through his body and that's when he spelled
Speaker 2: the noxious smell that surrounded the monster. The husband and
Speaker 2: wife claimed that they saw a large reptilian creature floating
Speaker 2: across the highway and that it paid them little to
Speaker 2: no attention. It's telling that the that the monster didn't
Speaker 2: seem to be malicious in this instance. It's almost like
Speaker 2: it's it's almost like, uh, it's almost like it the monster. Oh,
Speaker 2: that sentence didn't make any sense. It's almost like the
Speaker 2: monster acts like a wild animal and only attacks when
Speaker 2: it feels threatened.
Speaker 3: Now, this is a little different from the story we
Speaker 3: heard that their car was broke down, this monster touched
Speaker 3: it and it magically started back up.
Speaker 2: This says that it floated in the air and paid
Speaker 2: them little to no mind. So again, well, and this
Speaker 2: is the magic. This is the magic of myth, well,
Speaker 2: the magic of myth and legend, you know, because there's
Speaker 2: always I mean, dude, any time, dude, even just bigfoot.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Some people believe it's interdimensional, some people believe it's physical.
Speaker 2: Some people believe it's both, you know, like.
Speaker 3: If it's an angelic source, some people believe it's a
Speaker 3: nephylimic and demonic source.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, right, I mean, and also imagine like
Speaker 2: the people that are documenting like elves and fairies and
Speaker 2: shit like that. It's like, well, and that's why they
Speaker 2: have to, you know, come up with all these different
Speaker 2: names of all the different elves and fairies and shit
Speaker 2: like that, like the Brownie the elf kind of situation
Speaker 2: like that one he just wants to make sure your
Speaker 2: house ain't too clean and not too dirty, you know
Speaker 2: it kind of thing. And it's like they always have
Speaker 2: like all these different characteristics about them. But it's not
Speaker 2: to say that these people are full of shit, you know.
Speaker 2: It's just that different people experience different things. And I
Speaker 2: don't know what to do with this Flatwoods fucking monster.
Speaker 2: But it says the Flatwood's Monster might be a robot spy.
Speaker 3: Of course, because we had robots in nineteen forty eight, but.
Speaker 2: Again did we So Throughout various descriptions of the flat
Speaker 2: Woods Monster, there are vague mentions of a metallic suit
Speaker 2: worn by the creature. Actually, metallic suit is too descriptive.
Speaker 2: Some witnesses don't mention metal of any sort, so and
Speaker 2: some say that the creature was a reptilian head sticking
Speaker 2: out of a metal saucer like object, and a few
Speaker 2: researchers believe that it was an extraterrestrial biological entity wearing
Speaker 2: a hazardous material protective device. One witness to the original
Speaker 2: siting claims that the monster wasn't actually an organic being
Speaker 2: but a hovering mechanical shell. Here we go, that's a witness.
Speaker 2: That's somebody that saw it, you know, And oh man,
Speaker 2: all right, so this is seeming like gray alien droid vibes.
Speaker 2: You know, they always say the grays are not like
Speaker 2: they're just like biological droid things. All right. So it
Speaker 2: says if the monster was a robot or android, it
Speaker 2: may have been doing reconnaissance work for whom ever created it.
Speaker 2: In this case, whomever created the robot obviously wasn't worried
Speaker 2: about stealth. I mean, and who's to say that it's
Speaker 2: not like some kind of reconnaissance thing that was going
Speaker 2: on from another planet, another dimension or something like that.
Speaker 2: That's that seems a little bit more likely to But
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, the government and the military
Speaker 2: whatever is not going to be sending out a fucking
Speaker 2: robot for this. I mean, if you're gonna send out
Speaker 2: a robot, you're not gonna necessarily give it like human features, right, Like,
Speaker 2: why would you do that if it's just a reconnaissance mission?
Speaker 3: I mean, in nineteen forty eight, I mean, I know
Speaker 3: Thailand just right now has the world's first AI powered RoboCop.
Speaker 2: Dude, that thing is fucking wild.
Speaker 3: But that only came about in twenty twenty five, nineteen
Speaker 3: forty eight.
Speaker 2: I would I don't know this for a fact.
Speaker 3: I know people are gonna say, uh, well, they have
Speaker 3: technology they'd never let us see, which I agree. I
Speaker 3: get that they didn't have this type of robot back then. Hell,
Speaker 3: the Jetsons weren't even on TV at.
Speaker 2: This point, do do do Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean not like most homes had a television
Speaker 3: in them, right, most people were fucking around with the
Speaker 3: family radio program.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: But Like my point is, I think it's a little
Speaker 3: early to say that America is trying and testing out
Speaker 3: a new robot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think that that's likely.
Speaker 3: But to your point, could this be a scouting drone
Speaker 3: of some type from an entity from another dimension, another planet,
Speaker 3: another whatever, and it was robotic in nature but it
Speaker 3: was made to look a certain way to kind of
Speaker 3: hopefully blend in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that. I mean, look, we a lot,
Speaker 2: but okay, we allegedly send robot scouts to other planets. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, right, Like there's there's no kind of so
Speaker 2: it's possibility.
Speaker 3: Rover, but that's more like a a golf cart looking
Speaker 3: or golf cart just a car looking drone. But I mean,
Speaker 3: how do we know what the aliens think a drone
Speaker 3: should look like?
Speaker 2: You know? Well, it says the government tried to cover
Speaker 2: up the monster. It says people with interest in the
Speaker 2: Flatwood's monster can argue themselves to sleep about what the
Speaker 2: monster actually is. Is it an alien, a cryptid, an
Speaker 2: interdimensional traveler? All three? No one is going to ever,
Speaker 2: No one is ever going to come up with a
Speaker 2: definitive answer. But the one thing that's undeniable is that
Speaker 2: the government is absolutely aware about what happened in West
Speaker 2: Virginia in nineteen fifty two. The entire town saw something
Speaker 2: fly across the sky on the night of the sighting
Speaker 2: of the monster, and there are different theories about what
Speaker 2: it was. Most people believe it was a meteor, but
Speaker 2: there are a few folks that think that the UFO
Speaker 2: was actually a military craft that landed in the hillside.
Speaker 2: Before his death, Major Keiho, a former Marine Corps naval aviator,
Speaker 2: claimed that the Air Force sent two military investigators to
Speaker 2: Flatwoods under the guys as journalists research the UFO. They
Speaker 2: determined that the UFO was actually a meteor that only
Speaker 2: gave the impression of a landing, Right, So why would
Speaker 2: you fucking send governments out there to disguise themselves as reporters?
Speaker 2: Ah yeah, dude, dude. Here's the thing, and this is
Speaker 2: where it gets really weird, where it gets really strange,
Speaker 2: is is that you had local police that were writing
Speaker 2: it off. So how did the story get all the
Speaker 2: way up? You know what I'm saying, Like, how did
Speaker 2: it was such a big deal that you had to
Speaker 2: go undercover as a as a researcher to try and
Speaker 2: understand what was going on. Why would the government be
Speaker 2: interested in something that the local police laughed off? Why
Speaker 2: would they do that? That's what I'm saying. None of
Speaker 2: that checks out. So the creature may have been a
Speaker 2: barn owl. These are all the These are all the possibilities.
Speaker 3: Okay, a barn owl in the middle of the woods,
Speaker 3: because that's where barn owls live.
Speaker 2: All right, I mean, I imagine barn owls existed before
Speaker 2: barnes did. There's a reason.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, fair, fair, but it's not like a wild
Speaker 3: owl is not the same as a barn owl. Like
Speaker 3: they're different breeds.
Speaker 2: So cool, dude, I love owls. They're fucking awesome looking.
Speaker 2: Sorry you drinking from a hofbro House glass over there, sir,
Speaker 2: m shout out. I went there in Germany, was sick.
Speaker 2: It was the only place I wasn't allowed to drink
Speaker 2: alcohol as a fourteen year old. By the way, like,
Speaker 2: so half bra, get your shit together and get with
Speaker 2: the rest of Germany that allows everybody to drink. It's
Speaker 2: on my list, dude. I want to go to Germany
Speaker 2: one of these days. I would love to go back
Speaker 2: to Paris. I want to go to Rome. I want
Speaker 2: to go to Jerusalem. I got all kinds of place
Speaker 2: I want to visit sooner or later. So the creature
Speaker 2: may have been a barn owl, let's see. As cool
Speaker 2: as it would be to have to have been an alien,
Speaker 2: a robot, a cryptid thing invading West Virginia, the truth
Speaker 2: of the matter is that the flat Woods monster may
Speaker 2: have just been a figment of the imagination of a
Speaker 2: bunch of freaked out kids the wet blankets over the
Speaker 2: CSI Core deduced that the kids saw an alien because
Speaker 2: that's what they wanted, or what they assumed they should see.
Speaker 2: The may brothers followed a UFO into the woods, smelled
Speaker 2: something horrible, and saw a bunch of smoke. So it
Speaker 2: tracks that they could or that they would see an alien. However,
Speaker 2: it is most likely that they disturbed a barn owl
Speaker 2: that shrieked at them and flew off into the night
Speaker 2: from the children's From there, the children's story spread and
Speaker 2: served as the basis for the myth of the Flatwood's monster.
Speaker 2: Didn't they say that it hissed? Yeah, owls ain't hissing.
Speaker 3: So in this same article it said it hissed, it
Speaker 3: sprayed them with the oil, they got sick from it violently.
Speaker 2: Ill was the title of this article, I might add.
Speaker 3: And then out of nowhere, Oh, it was just a
Speaker 3: barn owl, and it was just from these kids. Never
Speaker 3: mind the couple in what they saw, never mind the
Speaker 3: woman and her friends cutting through the woods to go
Speaker 3: to the store that saw what they saw.
Speaker 2: These things are just whatever, of course, Devil's advocate. Devil's
Speaker 2: advocate here. It is possible, unlikely, I believe, but you
Speaker 2: could make a case for the placebo effect here, because
Speaker 2: if these kids were so scared that they almost cause
Speaker 2: a disruption within their own hormones, within their own chemical makeup,
Speaker 2: and they saw one of their buddies getting sick, and
Speaker 2: they thought that that was inevitably coming to them. That
Speaker 2: you could manifest that in your body. If I'm thinking
Speaker 2: like broad here, like you could possibly make I don't know,
Speaker 2: I think it's probably far fetched to think that, but
Speaker 2: I'm just throwing out a possibility here that one kid
Speaker 2: saw the other. They were all terrified. They were all
Speaker 2: fearful that they came in contact with some kind of
Speaker 2: alien and that they could have been sprayed with something,
Speaker 2: and so it would cause them to convulse. And you know,
Speaker 2: little kids like they don't just believe something they incorporated
Speaker 2: into their being, like that is what's going on, right,
Speaker 2: So and they're not in the National Guard kid and
Speaker 2: the couple too, that's like, yeah, yeah, that's that's where
Speaker 2: that's where that falls apart.
Speaker 3: If this was two kids that were in the woods,
Speaker 3: saw some ship that they got scared of, went home
Speaker 3: and told their mom, and that's what got big.
Speaker 2: I'm with you for sure.
Speaker 3: This massive I'm saying massive group, but a group of
Speaker 3: people all seeing it, experiencing the exact same thing. A couple,
Speaker 3: the girl, all of it within the same evening. But
Speaker 3: this thing jumped because it wasn't like in the same
Speaker 3: spot in the woods. So is it possible that that
Speaker 3: ball of fire was it stepping into an out of
Speaker 3: a portal? Any that whole crash thing that wasn't a
Speaker 3: craft in reality? Is that what it looks like when
Speaker 3: you tear a hole through time and space to jump
Speaker 3: from point A to point B.
Speaker 2: Anything's possible. And I do want to make mention here
Speaker 2: just because we are talking about fire, and we were
Speaker 2: talking about things that transpired after the fire. You know,
Speaker 2: whether it's a glowing orb of fire or whatever, it is.
Speaker 2: The idea so within like within magic and witchcraft and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, what they a lot of people do
Speaker 2: is they practice candle magic. And the idea is to
Speaker 2: stare into the flame and reduce all of your thoughts
Speaker 2: down to one specific thought, and it'll basically force you
Speaker 2: to go into this trance. And so by staring at
Speaker 2: a flame for too long, you'll go into a trance.
Speaker 2: That's why whenever you're like sitting around a bonfire, everybody
Speaker 2: is just staring deeply into the flame of the fire
Speaker 2: right like it's like it's like mesmerizing, and that's actually
Speaker 2: what it's doing. It's mesmerizing your mind. It's putting you
Speaker 2: into a trance state. And so could it be that
Speaker 2: the fire ball that they were seeing was putting them
Speaker 2: into a trance like state that allowed them to see
Speaker 2: some interdimensional shit? I don't know. I'm just thinking outside
Speaker 2: the box here, and okay, let's let's go down that path. Right.
Speaker 3: Every one of them said they saw the ball of
Speaker 3: fire and then when they looked back it was gone.
Speaker 2: And then and then it transformed into this creature.
Speaker 3: All they don't say it transformed. All they're saying is
Speaker 3: that they saw ballifire. When they investigated further, the creature
Speaker 3: was there. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Is it possible that that's a.
Speaker 3: Portal opening and maybe a fourth dimensional entity opening a
Speaker 3: portal to step into the three D world? Because fire
Speaker 3: is a reaction, right, Fire is not like a substance.
Speaker 3: You can't have a cup of fire, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. It's a it's a thing that can burn,
Speaker 3: and fire is a byproduct of the burning. So is
Speaker 3: that what it looks like? Possibly when a portal opens up,
Speaker 3: was it a craft that kept crashing and crashing and
Speaker 3: crashing because he was trying to get back up in
Speaker 3: the air and he had.
Speaker 2: A couple of fuck ups on the on the way.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but every time they saw the big
Speaker 3: ball of fire, they look back and it wasn't there,
Speaker 3: but the creature was yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, I don't know, and very similar to the
Speaker 2: woman coming down in the orb for Chris Bledsoe. It
Speaker 2: was an orb and then she came out of it.
Speaker 2: You hear stories like this, and that's not only like
Speaker 2: I know, I like to bring up the Bloodshow story
Speaker 2: because it's fucking fascinating, but that's not the only one.
Speaker 2: Like these things are always happening, like I actually as
Speaker 2: somebody asked as somebody asked me to give them a
Speaker 2: past life regression back when we were in studios or
Speaker 2: in Christie's studio, right, and it was like one of
Speaker 2: Christie's friends and she talked of and she was like
Speaker 2: a little bit more on the normal end, but she
Speaker 2: had asked me to give her a past life regression,
Speaker 2: but not necessarily a past life, but she wanted to
Speaker 2: go back to the time where she witnessed a like
Speaker 2: a giant orb that was like hovering above her pool.
Speaker 2: So she was like in her swimming pool and she
Speaker 2: was like out there tanning, sitting on a raft, and
Speaker 2: the sun was starting to go down. So she knew
Speaker 2: like what time it was by the sun starting to
Speaker 2: go down a little bit, right, you know, you think
Speaker 2: about like you're out in the pool at like six
Speaker 2: seven o'clock. The sun is, you know, it looks like
Speaker 2: it's starting to come down. It's distant on the opposite side.
Speaker 2: It's setting in the west right, and and but she
Speaker 2: noticed that there was like this bright orange sunlike thing
Speaker 2: that was in the sky directly behind her. But it
Speaker 2: shouldn't have been behind her. The sun should have been
Speaker 2: in front of her, right, and but she noticed that
Speaker 2: there was like some sunlight coming from another direction. So
Speaker 2: she turns around. She goes, oh, that's the sun. That's weird.
Speaker 2: And then she turns back around to the place where
Speaker 2: she was and she saw also the sun, the actual son.
Speaker 2: She she's like, what the actual fuck? Right, And so
Speaker 2: but she has a lot of like, uh, she believes
Speaker 2: that there's like missing time, and so I hypnotized her,
Speaker 2: and you know, we got back to the moral of
Speaker 2: the story. Basically, she was able to find that the
Speaker 2: missing time, this is where it gets really fucking wild.
Speaker 2: But the missing time that she couldn't remember was that
Speaker 2: she actually got out of the pool and chased it
Speaker 2: and went over to like she she had like a
Speaker 2: pond in her neighborhood or in her yard or something
Speaker 2: like that, and the fucking orb went from the sky,
Speaker 2: the sun looking orb went from the sky and shot
Speaker 2: right into the into the pond, never to be seen again.
Speaker 2: So I don't know either, But it's like just a
Speaker 2: fascinating story that you know, you can uncover a lot
Speaker 2: through hypnosis and and shit like that, and I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, do with that as you will. It could
Speaker 2: just be a story, could be real, it could be fake.
Speaker 2: Who knows, could be the imagination. But I'm not somebody
Speaker 2: that just believes the imagination as strictly just an imaginator.
Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot more to imagination than
Speaker 2: we think. I'm with you.
Speaker 3: And then, in that same line, right of thinking of
Speaker 3: maybe it was a false imagination or whatever the case is,
Speaker 3: the article continues and says that the monster may be
Speaker 3: a result of false memories. Now this is where I'm
Speaker 3: I'm with you here.
Speaker 2: I think that's a bit.
Speaker 3: Insulting to just write it all off like that. Again,
Speaker 3: one person not remembering all of the details. Okay, fine,
Speaker 3: I get it. I don't have a perfect memory of
Speaker 3: every single thing that's ever happened in my life. Okay,
Speaker 3: all of these people having a false memory, yet all
Speaker 3: being able to draw the exact same entity.
Speaker 2: Bro What that says. Many alien abductees and witnesses of
Speaker 2: UFO phenomena like the flat Woods Monster have a similar
Speaker 2: detail in many of their stories. Either they see an
Speaker 2: owl shortly before or after their alien interaction, like I
Speaker 2: was saying, or the creature they met or they meet
Speaker 2: looked strangely like an owl. This experience is known to
Speaker 2: the paranormal community as screen memory, a false image implanted
Speaker 2: in the imagination of someone interacting with extraterrestrial with an
Speaker 2: extraterrestrial to keep them calm. These screen memories are similar
Speaker 2: to the way that our brains build false memories based
Speaker 2: on random pieces of information that we soak up. The
Speaker 2: variations of the appearance of the Flatwoods Monster could come
Speaker 2: from people in the group that saw the group interpreting
Speaker 2: the false memory differently, which adds to the unbelievability of
Speaker 2: their story. Okay, Now, like you said, with the owls,
Speaker 2: none of the eyewitnesses said fuck all about an owl.
Speaker 2: The only people that have said anything about an owl
Speaker 2: was the government officials, and somehow that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Oh, you know they see owls in this owl like figure,
Speaker 3: this owl shaped inditect No it is not. It is
Speaker 3: not shaped like an owl. This does not look like
Speaker 3: an owl. And none of them said they saw one
Speaker 3: in the woods before or after this entity.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing, and this is a perfect case.
Speaker 2: That's the thing about imagination. You can imagine that they
Speaker 2: saw an owl, and then the story that would correlate,
Speaker 2: you know, that comes from the owl. So you saw
Speaker 2: an owl, you know that it's a precursor of things
Speaker 2: to come or something that has just happened or whatever. Right,
Speaker 2: And the person that is trying to figure out the
Speaker 2: story is using their imagination to try and build here.
Speaker 2: But the problem is is that there was never an
Speaker 2: owl scene and so now they're using their imagination to
Speaker 2: build on top of a story in which never happened.
Speaker 2: It never transpired. It's the imagination, right. So anyway, it's
Speaker 2: a conundrum in and of itself. It's an enigma.
Speaker 3: It is, indeed so the false false memories bullshit here. Now,
Speaker 3: this is one of those that I thought was kind
Speaker 3: of cool in pop culture. I didn't realize that in
Speaker 3: Zelda an Ocarina of Time this entity is based off
Speaker 3: of the Flatwoods Monster.
Speaker 2: Oh how about that? It says it's hard to get
Speaker 2: your name out there when you don't have a pr
Speaker 2: machine to match that of the Lockness Monster or the
Speaker 2: Lockness Monster or Bigfoot. But the Flatwoods Monster still has
Speaker 2: its fans. Up until two thousand and six, flat Woods
Speaker 2: held a three day festival celebrating the creature, and it
Speaker 2: even makes an appearance in the Legend of Zeld Legend
Speaker 2: of Zelda Majora's Mask as the inspiration Lockerina of Time.
Speaker 2: I meant Majora's Mask, my bad. Yeah, it was as
Speaker 2: the inspiration for the design of the aliens that appear
Speaker 2: prior to the Carnival of Time to steal cattle. The
Speaker 2: Flatwood's monsters simple yet creepy description has led multiple game
Speaker 2: designers to work it into their art. Most of the
Speaker 2: the most on the nose video game reference comes from
Speaker 2: the Forgotten Oh game Amagon, where the creature plays the
Speaker 2: part of the final boss. Since the last reference to
Speaker 2: the flat Woods Monster was made in two thousand, it
Speaker 2: might be time for a faithful reader to work this
Speaker 2: mysterious creature into their own work. Okay, So, as we
Speaker 2: have seen multiple sources and they all the basis stays
Speaker 2: the same, and the officiating person's reportings all throughout this
Speaker 2: owl thing, false memories, it was a shadow, it was whatever.
Speaker 3: But the keynotes of the story itself from the people
Speaker 3: that kind of seems to be just in the same
Speaker 3: mix here. Yet somehow people are just easily writing it
Speaker 3: off as a shadow, mind games, misremembering, hallucinations, shared hallucinations,
Speaker 3: because you know those are so common and shit, yeah
Speaker 3: it's wild things. So we got one more article that
Speaker 3: I have pulled up here, a haunted place as a
Speaker 3: matter of fact, under the cannot be of mystery, the
Speaker 3: Tale of the flat Woods Monster. Now I know there's
Speaker 3: an AI generated image, but I also thought this is
Speaker 3: kind of cool too. Now we're talking about the spade
Speaker 3: shape and all of this. Could this be closer to
Speaker 3: what the people saw? But I mean again, they drew
Speaker 3: what they saw and they had an artist rendition of
Speaker 3: it too, so I mean this is not exact one
Speaker 3: to one but possible.
Speaker 2: Huh looks cool. I think it's pretty dope. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we don't really need the whole story right there. What
Speaker 2: is the Flatwoods Monster?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Where do you want to start here?
Speaker 3: I mean, we already talked about what happened here the
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty two all the stuff. They break this down
Speaker 3: though as far as the like, they took away all
Speaker 3: of the people's interpretations of it and they go straight
Speaker 3: into here's the details, here's the aftermath. And I thought
Speaker 3: that was a pretty decent way to kind of wrap
Speaker 3: it on in Okay.
Speaker 2: So, the Flatwoods Monster, often referred to as the Braxton
Speaker 2: County Monster or the Phantom of flat Woods, is a
Speaker 2: cryptid that allegedly was cited the town of flat Woods
Speaker 2: in Braxton County, West Virginia in nineteen fifty two. This
Speaker 2: creature is one of the most famous entrees in American
Speaker 2: cryptid lore, with a particularly striking and eerie description. Here's
Speaker 2: a rundown of the flat Wood's Monster legend. The sighting details.
Speaker 2: On September twelfth, nineteen fifty two, a group of children
Speaker 2: observed a bright object crossing the sky and landing on
Speaker 2: the property of a local farmer accompanied by a few adults,
Speaker 2: they went to the site that they believed the object
Speaker 2: had landed. As they approached the location, they were assailed
Speaker 2: by a pungent mist that made their eyes and noses burn.
Speaker 2: They then saw a large pulsating ball of fire and
Speaker 2: nearby spotted a creature that is now famously described as
Speaker 2: the flat Woods Monster. So what does the flat Woods
Speaker 2: Monster look like? The height they say the creature was
Speaker 2: described as being quite tall, about ten feet in height.
Speaker 2: The appearance. It had a shade spade, a spade shaped
Speaker 2: or ace of spade shaped head with non human eyes
Speaker 2: that emitted a greenish orange glow. Its body seemed to
Speaker 2: be metallic or at least clad in some form of exoskeleton,
Speaker 2: possibly suggesting armor. Some reports describe the entity as having
Speaker 2: a dark pleated skirt like lower portion than the limbs.
Speaker 2: It had short, stubby arms with long claw like finger
Speaker 2: figures fingers, and then there was an odor. The area
Speaker 2: around the sighting was filled with a nauseating and sulfurous odor,
Speaker 2: often described as being similar to the smell of rotten eggs.
Speaker 2: The encounter left the witness is terrified. The next day,
Speaker 2: they experienced symptoms like irritation in the nose and throat,
Speaker 2: vomiting and swelling of the throat, which some believe might
Speaker 2: have been due to exposure to an unidentified substance from
Speaker 2: the craft or creature itself.
Speaker 3: Okay, now we're going to get into They got eight
Speaker 3: possible explanations, and some of these are meh, some of
Speaker 3: these are just downright insulting. We've covered some of them already,
Speaker 3: but I feel like this one is the all encompassing list,
Speaker 3: so let's dive in.
Speaker 2: So the site of the Flatwood Monster remains one of
Speaker 2: the more perplexing events encrypted lore. Over the years, several explanations,
Speaker 2: ranging from extraterrestrial to more mundane, have been put forth
Speaker 2: to explain the event in the creature's appearance. Here are
Speaker 2: some of the most commonly suggested explanations.
Speaker 3: Number one, Well, before we do this, after each one,
Speaker 3: me and you give a thumbs up or thumbs down
Speaker 3: if we think this is even plausible, outright just bullshit,
Speaker 3: or hey, this might be the truth here. Let's let's
Speaker 3: do that on each They got.
Speaker 2: Eight all right, Number one, given the uh, it's an
Speaker 2: extraterrestrial being, given the initial reports of a flying object
Speaker 2: and the creature's strange appearance, some believe it might have
Speaker 2: been an alien from another planet. This idea is further
Speaker 2: reinforced by the era during which the sighting occurred, at
Speaker 2: time of heightened UFO sightings and public interest in extraterrestrial life,
Speaker 2: giving that one the thumbs up thumbs out.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that's more than likely the case, but hey,
Speaker 3: we got seven more to go.
Speaker 2: Let's see Barnow. One of the more popular skeptical explanations
Speaker 2: is that the witness encounter to Barnew, the creature's high
Speaker 2: and the glow of its eyes could be accounted for
Speaker 2: by an owl perched on a tree or higher ground,
Speaker 2: with its eyes reflecting the light from a flashlight or
Speaker 2: another source. The spade shaped head is somewhat reminiscent of
Speaker 2: the shape of an owl's face.
Speaker 3: Completely thumbs down for me, personally, I've never seen an
Speaker 3: owl's face shape be that of an ace of spades.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go teeter totter here, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say up and down because I don't think that
Speaker 2: it was just an owl as we know it. I
Speaker 2: personally think that owls not all maybe, but I think
Speaker 2: that some owls could be mystical creatures in and of themselves,
Speaker 2: especially the ones that are out in the forest. They
Speaker 2: maybe they're they're hiding their true appearance by taking the
Speaker 2: form of an owl. Maybe you can make an explanation
Speaker 2: for that. Okay, So still on the more cryptid slash alien.
Speaker 2: So yeah, just that it is a barn owl. No,
Speaker 2: but no number three mechanical device or aircraft. Given the
Speaker 2: reports of a flying object in the metallic nature of
Speaker 2: the creature, some speculate that what was seen might have
Speaker 2: been some form of experimental craft or mechanical device, either
Speaker 2: of domestic or foreign origin.
Speaker 3: No, I'm gonna say no, I'm gonna I'm sorry, man,
Speaker 3: Like Okay, if there was a crash and there was
Speaker 3: wreckage associated with this entity, maybe that was like some
Speaker 3: sort of new experimental flight suit that they were dealing with. Okay,
Speaker 3: we could have that conversation. No, nothing about this checks
Speaker 3: like any of those boxes.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a no for me, dog right. Number four.
Speaker 2: Mass hysteria or misinterpretation. It's possible that the initial sightings
Speaker 2: of the unexplained object in the sky, combined with the
Speaker 2: heightened tension and fear, led to a group misinterpretation. The
Speaker 2: human mind can sometimes perceive familiar objects as unfamiliar or
Speaker 2: even menacing in stressful or ambiguous situations. Yeah, I'm gonna go,
Speaker 2: and no for that one too, bro.
Speaker 3: Sorry, one, two, maybe even three people having some sort
Speaker 3: of a crazy story that almost sounds alike. So they
Speaker 3: just kind of joined forces in roam with it. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 3: possibly this many people not even in the same group.
Speaker 3: They're from different areas around the same city, all having
Speaker 3: the similar experiences. No, I'm sorry, there's no way this
Speaker 3: was a mass hallucination.
Speaker 2: Number five chemical exposure. The pungent missed and the subsequent symptoms.
Speaker 2: Symptoms experienced by the witness have led some to speculate
Speaker 2: that they might have been exposed to some kind of
Speaker 2: chemical or gas. This could have affected their perceptions or
Speaker 2: even included or induced hallucinations.
Speaker 3: So if the story is true that the monster had
Speaker 3: a fog or a mist around it and or spray
Speaker 3: two of these boys, okay, then I would say this
Speaker 3: would be confirmed. But that would mean that only those
Speaker 3: two experienced the hallucination at that point, and that would
Speaker 3: make no sense that all of them experienced a hallucination
Speaker 3: and even still if the gas from around this area
Speaker 3: produced all of it, what caused the gas?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I this just reminds me of Scarecrow. Not to
Speaker 2: make my second Batman or second DC comment here, but
Speaker 2: like the Scarecrow, the villain from Batman, he would always
Speaker 2: give off like this miss and it caused everybody to
Speaker 2: hallucinate that way. Whenever they look back at him. He
Speaker 2: was terrifying and he was like a fucking nightmare, right,
Speaker 2: which is pretty fucking brilliant of an idea, I think.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, like the thing with hallucinations, especially whenever
Speaker 2: you have heightened fear and in a group of people,
Speaker 2: not everybody is going to see and experience the same
Speaker 2: exact thing that it's hallucinations are not exact, you know,
Speaker 2: like there's gonna be varying details. Maybe I would like
Speaker 2: to get individual you know, so I would like to
Speaker 2: have individual conversations with each individual that experienced this. I'm
Speaker 2: sure a lot of them probably died by now, so
Speaker 2: I was back in the fifties, But it would be
Speaker 2: interesting to see, like if somebody shared a detail that
Speaker 2: was different from somebody else sharing a detail, and maybe
Speaker 2: that's how this story got so confused. But if they
Speaker 2: were indeed all seeing and experiencing the same exact thing.
Speaker 2: Highly unlikely that it was a hallucination or any kind
Speaker 2: of chemical exposure.
Speaker 3: Agreed, agreed, go ahead, and throwing up that thumbs down
Speaker 3: for myself here.
Speaker 2: Number six, it was a hoax, though the genuine fear
Speaker 2: and concerned and concern exhibited by the witnesses make a
Speaker 2: deliberate hoax on their part unlikely. It's always possible that
Speaker 2: someone else staged a prank that unintentionally terrified the group.
Speaker 3: Okay, so for someone to stage a prank on six
Speaker 3: school children, a mom, and a nineteen year old, that
Speaker 3: means that they would have had to have known that
Speaker 3: someone was going to come into that section of the
Speaker 3: woods just to investigate something that.
Speaker 2: Could not be explained in the first place. The couple.
Speaker 3: So you're telling me that somebody staged a reptilian looking
Speaker 3: thing to make their car magically start up when it
Speaker 3: had just broke down.
Speaker 2: That makes no sense to me. Yeah, it would have
Speaker 2: to be so elaborate, and also that does Let's say
Speaker 2: it is a hoax that somebody just goes out there
Speaker 2: in a halloween costume to scare these people, right, a
Speaker 2: ten foot tall Halloween costume. You're not gonna get sick,
Speaker 2: You're not going to be throwing up, you're not gonna
Speaker 2: have the shits, You're not gonna be able to not
Speaker 2: swallow liquid. So no, now that's not to say that
Speaker 2: maybe a lot of these things are happening at the
Speaker 2: same time. You know, you could say that it was
Speaker 2: a hoax. They were around chemical exposure, they saw a
Speaker 2: barn owl, and that that's how the extraterrestrial being exposed itself.
Speaker 2: Like you couldn't make it like deep. But I don't
Speaker 2: think that's what's going on either.
Speaker 3: There's so many hoops to jump through to make that
Speaker 3: make sense. Man, you know me, I'm more of the
Speaker 3: Okham's razor tips.
Speaker 2: Easier just to believe the most likely.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, if we're looking at the entire story,
Speaker 3: it's way more likely like for that to happen. That
Speaker 3: means that somebody would have had to have known that
Speaker 3: there was gonna be a crash or some sort of
Speaker 3: fireball in these people's farm, set up with a glowing eyed,
Speaker 3: spade shaped headed, ten foot tall mask or silhouette or
Speaker 3: something like that. Knew that these people or some people
Speaker 3: were gonna be going that route because they were going
Speaker 3: through the woods, you know what I mean. And I'm
Speaker 3: sure there's more than just one trail through the woods.
Speaker 3: So you would have had to have known that these
Speaker 3: people were coming. You would have had to have in
Speaker 3: nineteen forty eight had a working knowledge of like gases
Speaker 3: and stuff like that to kind of stage it, to
Speaker 3: not kill them, but give them enough of an odorous
Speaker 3: smell to it to where they'd be scared shitless enough
Speaker 3: to be like affected by It's that's too much. There's
Speaker 3: way too many things that would have to have been
Speaker 3: perfectly done, and for what point just to fuck with
Speaker 3: some kids.
Speaker 2: And the time. The timing is peculiar too, because Roswell
Speaker 2: was forty six, wasn't ith.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So a lot of these sightings happened around the
Speaker 3: time when as soon as the mayor as soon as
Speaker 3: the world started dropping nukes on each other, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, these extraterrestrials started paying more attention to us.
Speaker 3: I think that they saw that as a giant step
Speaker 3: up in our technological advancement. Nuclear power and nuclear bombs
Speaker 3: are just kind of that next evolutionary stage where it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're not just gliding around, shooting each other with lead.
Speaker 3: We're we're doing like big things, like things that the
Speaker 3: universe can feel when they happen.
Speaker 2: Things. Yeah, think about it like this, if there were
Speaker 2: if we were able to know for sure that there
Speaker 2: are some kind of beings living on the Moon. Some
Speaker 2: people believe that I tend to believe that there's something
Speaker 2: going on the Moon that we don't know about, just
Speaker 2: with the whole Shoot the Moon documentary. But let's just
Speaker 2: say that there are people or beings I'll just say
Speaker 2: living on the moon or in the Moon. Well, what
Speaker 2: happens whenever they go to war and somebody nukes somebody
Speaker 2: else on the moon. Well you might think, well, it's
Speaker 2: so far away, it wouldn't really matter. But we also
Speaker 2: got to imagine that we are in a Goldilocks zone, right,
Speaker 2: like they say that we're in a Goldilog zone. Everything
Speaker 2: is exactly perfect for life to exist here on this planet.
Speaker 2: So you could say that if there was a nuke
Speaker 2: that was set off on the Moon, it would send
Speaker 2: ripples not only throughout the entire universe, but through us.
Speaker 2: It would have some kind of effect on us, right,
Speaker 2: it would throw its out of its own magnetic orbit
Speaker 2: with the Earth, maybe the tides would start going crazy,
Speaker 2: and so could you could then build a story as to, all, right,
Speaker 2: if the Aliens were worried that we were about to
Speaker 2: nuke each other, you might send somebody in there right
Speaker 2: to try and prevent these kinds of things so that
Speaker 2: it doesn't affect where you're at. Hypothetically speaking, that and
Speaker 2: that's some people. Some people mention that that's believable.
Speaker 3: To me, I think that that is more than likely personally,
Speaker 3: just Jacob speaking on behalf of Jacob. And I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that we were never visited from extraterrestrial life or
Speaker 3: interdimensional life, maybe both, maybe separate, I don't know, but
Speaker 3: I'm sure that we were visited before we started dropping
Speaker 3: nukes on each other.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 3: But it seems very crazy that as soon as we did,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, they got reports of them in China, Russia,
Speaker 3: all over the desert, in America, all over Europe more
Speaker 3: than ever before. You know, I'm just saying it seems
Speaker 3: highly likely that when we started fucking with that next
Speaker 3: level of technological advancement, the aliens started paying attention.
Speaker 2: That's just me, Yeah, dude, as above, so below, baby,
Speaker 2: so anyway, number seven, and it could could it have
Speaker 2: been an unknown animal. While the described creature doesn't match
Speaker 2: any known animals in the region, some speculate it could
Speaker 2: have been an undiscovered species or a known species exhibiting
Speaker 2: unusual behavior or characteristics. I'm gonna give it a no, because,
Speaker 2: first of all, it has been seventy years since then,
Speaker 2: and I don't think that there has been a ten
Speaker 2: foot owl to be discovered in West Virginia now.
Speaker 3: And again the whole owl thing. None of the eyewitnesses
Speaker 3: said anything about a fucking owl. But even if, okay,
Speaker 3: a giant bear, a black bear, they had those in
Speaker 3: West Virginia. Matter of fact, the necklace that I had,
Speaker 3: the tooth, I pulled that from a bear's mouth in
Speaker 3: West Virginia, right, So, I mean for sure, and they
Speaker 3: get tall, you know, a bear's hands being up like
Speaker 3: that to try to scare them or something. Dude, the
Speaker 3: people in West Virginia wouldn't have mistaken a giant, speed
Speaker 3: headed entity with.
Speaker 2: A metal body for a black bear. And I'm with you.
Speaker 3: Last time I checked, we don't have any animals on
Speaker 3: record in North America they even look close to this description.
Speaker 2: And a bear is not gonna be hissing at you. No, no, dude,
Speaker 2: none of that. None of that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Seeh an unknown animal gonna go ahead and say that's
Speaker 3: just false us.
Speaker 2: A bear is wearing like some snake bling. That's the
Speaker 2: only which isn't gonna happen. Possibly I just haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Finally, the final one is number eight,
Speaker 2: folklore or legend come to life. In many cultures, there
Speaker 2: are legends of supernatural entities or creatures that can emerge
Speaker 2: during specific times or under certain conditions. While the Flatwood's
Speaker 2: monster doesn't directly map onto any specific local legend, it's
Speaker 2: worth noting that the human propensity to interpret unusual events
Speaker 2: through the lens of cultural myths and stories.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I get what they're saying, but there is
Speaker 3: no kind of story about something like this in the
Speaker 3: area before this happened. And again, have you ever in
Speaker 3: your life seen any other image that looked like that?
Speaker 3: We have talked about how many alien stories, how many
Speaker 3: cryptid stories, strange sightings, hallucinations, DMT trips. We talk about
Speaker 3: everything here. I personally have never seen an entity or
Speaker 3: cryptid or creature or whatever look like the flat Woods
Speaker 3: monster was described.
Speaker 2: Now I do wanna say this. There are such things
Speaker 2: as Tulpa's and Aggrigor's that sometimes myths and legends turn
Speaker 2: into some kind of reality. For example, the slender Man
Speaker 2: was a video game like that was never a real creature, right, Like,
Speaker 2: nobody's ever actually seen a slender Man before it was
Speaker 2: created in a video game or you know, in pop culture.
Speaker 2: But then you hear stories about people witnessing slender Man.
Speaker 2: Maybe is at the foot of the foot of your
Speaker 2: bed whenever you're you're like sleeplocked, right, and maybe you
Speaker 2: go out into the woods and you see some kind
Speaker 2: of creature that is like, holy shit, that slender Man,
Speaker 2: it actually exists. Maybe you go up to uh, what
Speaker 2: is the fucking place called Skinwalker Ranch or the blue
Speaker 2: Frog Ranch or whatever the fuck it was, and you
Speaker 2: start to see these kind of things. Could they have been?
Speaker 2: Could like And this is the argument for it being
Speaker 2: a tulper or an eggergre, more so on the Eggergre side.
Speaker 2: Could it have been that the folklore is so deep
Speaker 2: like buried, so deeply buried within our subconscious mind that
Speaker 2: we almost manifest it through our fear. I believe that
Speaker 2: that's a possibility. Do I think that that's what's going
Speaker 2: on here at first? Absolutely not. Could it have been
Speaker 2: a series of events that would have transpired that people
Speaker 2: go out in the woods in twenty twenty five in
Speaker 2: Braxton County and fucking West Virginia and they go out
Speaker 2: and they're looking for this thing. So then they actually
Speaker 2: see it, even if it was just a story, also possible,
Speaker 2: But there had been no other sightings since nineteen forty eight, right,
Speaker 2: so on that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I'm just saying the folklore and legend
Speaker 3: come to life. There was no full folklore or legend
Speaker 3: before this took place, and there hasn't been any sense
Speaker 3: except for things like this. So the town in West Virginia.
Speaker 3: This is actually from the West Virginia Public Broadcasting website
Speaker 3: and uh yeah again this is the poster. This is
Speaker 3: the image that was drawn all of these things, and
Speaker 3: the town kind of leaned into it.
Speaker 2: Bro they had this museum.
Speaker 3: This guy here, Andrew Smith, he's the executive director of
Speaker 3: the Braxton County Visitor Center.
Speaker 2: He founded the museum too.
Speaker 3: Although he says originally the flat Woods Monster Collection could
Speaker 3: fit into on one small shelf. Now there's an entire museum.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: There's comic books, there's children's books, there's paintings and wood
Speaker 3: carvings and all these things. The people really leaned into it.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: Look at this tattoo. Oh that's sick, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: Look at now that kind of looks like a robot
Speaker 3: a little bit. Yeah, I could see it. Look at
Speaker 3: these Japanese interpretations of the Flatwood Monster.
Speaker 2: They made toys in Japan off of that dog. Fuck. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I mean, look, could it be a thing these days? Yeah?
Speaker 2: People kind of took it to this level.
Speaker 3: And if somebody said that they saw the flat Woods
Speaker 3: Monster again today, maybe, like you said, it's the imagination
Speaker 3: come to life or something like that.
Speaker 2: I could see this.
Speaker 3: But as far as the story itself of the flat
Speaker 3: Woods Monster goes, big Dog, I think there's way more
Speaker 3: to the story than what the quote unquote official narrative
Speaker 3: would will have us believe. And yeah again to all
Speaker 3: the good cult members. When I was looking into the
Speaker 3: flat Wood or Flatlands conversation, did not mean to stumble
Speaker 3: into the interdimensional conversation that we did last time. But
Speaker 3: when I found the book Flatland, I felt like, you know,
Speaker 3: it doesn't actually connect. But in a sense it kind
Speaker 3: of does because in the same conversation as what would
Speaker 3: a fourth dimensional living entity look like to our three
Speaker 3: dimensional eyes? Right, and as we're talking about how some
Speaker 3: of these aliens, some of these extraterrestrials, some of these orbs,
Speaker 3: some of these flying craft whatever or whatever, could some
Speaker 3: of them be unpublicized new tech that certain government agencies
Speaker 3: are working on that we don't know what they are,
Speaker 3: so they just kind of blast them as UAPs.
Speaker 2: Could be sure?
Speaker 3: Could they equally be creatures from another planet that have
Speaker 3: made their way here in secret because they have tech
Speaker 3: that is way more advanced than ours, and they know
Speaker 3: how to pierce our atmosphere and our van Allen radiation
Speaker 3: belt and jumped light years in time, and all these
Speaker 3: things could be Could it also be a fourth or
Speaker 3: fifth or sixth dimensional living creature that for whatever reason
Speaker 3: has stepped down to our third dimensional plane even for
Speaker 3: just a second, and what our eyes will see won't
Speaker 3: make sense to us. I think all of these are
Speaker 3: very very possible. So the flat Lamb book with the
Speaker 3: flat Lands Monster, Braxton County Monster, whatever you want to
Speaker 3: call it, didn't mean for the connections to be made,
Speaker 3: but here we are man, and uh, I think when
Speaker 3: I found out there was an alien story on top
Speaker 3: of it, I was like, oh, we simply must do
Speaker 3: an episode on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I love this this kind of stuff
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