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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Happy Friday, everybody. It's Heidigan All not Dan Caplis.
Speaker 2: He's still working his trial, trying to.
Speaker 3: Work his magic. He's gonna win. I know it.
Speaker 4: Ryan.
Speaker 3: How are you doing this afternoon?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 6: I am great. I hope you're the same.
Speaker 2: I am great. It's been a wild week. Lots going on.
Speaker 3: But so much in the news. I went through.
Speaker 2: I told you I was singing drop at Kuti twenty five,
Speaker 2: literally at a dead stop, and I'm like, I'm just
Speaker 2: going to say, check out what's going on on Twitter?
Speaker 2: Holy moly, there are so many crazy stories out there.
Speaker 2: My favorite one for the day, though, is Jared Polis
Speaker 2: getting called out by vives Ramaswami in a positive way, like, Jared,
Speaker 2: you hacked up all those regulations yesterday. We're so proud
Speaker 2: of you. We're doze, you Colorado's doge. And so many
Speaker 2: people just went after it and said, Vivec, please we
Speaker 2: have a gas like governor, that's what I like to
Speaker 2: call him.
Speaker 3: And he has Vivek, poor Vivec. I love Vivek, but he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't understand how hardcore Jared Pullus has grown bureaucracy in
Speaker 2: this state. You know, we yesterday, I believe her, the
Speaker 2: day before we were called the sixth most regulated state
Speaker 2: in the country, with forty five percent of its regulations
Speaker 2: deemed excessive or duplicative. That's the Colorado Chamber of Commerce.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that?
Speaker 6: Ryan Wow? I mean, it's exactly like you said.
Speaker 7: Polus is doing everything for political gain, purpose, thought, malice, aforethought.
Speaker 6: He's not a libertarian.
Speaker 7: Anybody that would say wear a damn mask your selfish
Speaker 7: bastards during COVID is not a libertarian in any way, shape, matter,
Speaker 7: or form.
Speaker 6: Anybody who would take jobs away.
Speaker 7: From healthcare workers who refuse to get the COVID shots
Speaker 7: is not a libertarian in any way. So he can
Speaker 7: continue this ruise, and he might have enough money to
Speaker 7: buy it for a while, but not for the whole race.
Speaker 2: So do you think he's going to run for president
Speaker 2: and end up just like Hicke and Looper and Michael
Speaker 2: Bennett in the you know, one percent territory or what
Speaker 2: do you foresee happening precisely.
Speaker 7: I think he will follow that to a t. He's
Speaker 7: going to try to find a lane. I think that's
Speaker 7: like a moderate libertarian lane that's not occupied that he
Speaker 7: thinks he can, you know, spend money and flourish in.
Speaker 7: That's the one thing he has, those two that you mentioned, Bennet,
Speaker 7: Hicck and Loper do not is independent wealth. But I
Speaker 7: don't see his campaign for president going any better than
Speaker 7: say Pat schroeders dead back in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2: I was not paying much attention to politics back then.
Speaker 2: I was graduating from s NO. I guess i'd been
Speaker 2: out of Boulder for no. That's the year I graduated
Speaker 2: with a Bolder.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was probably in a bit of a haze
Speaker 3: at that point.
Speaker 2: I'm not insinuating, but I was doing anything right right right.
Speaker 2: I just was studying really hard for my final very Okay,
Speaker 2: the next craziest thing that happened this week?
Speaker 3: Can you play clip four?
Speaker 2: The New York City mayor talking about why he's so
Speaker 2: rapidly supporting dealing with illegal immigration.
Speaker 8: Now, if we have five hundred thousand children who had
Speaker 8: sponsors in this country that we can't find.
Speaker 6: We can't find them.
Speaker 8: We don't know if they're doing child labor, we don't
Speaker 8: know if they're doing sex crimes.
Speaker 6: We don't know if they're being exploited.
Speaker 8: Of five hundred thousand children. There's a level of hypocrisy
Speaker 8: that everyone in that states they want to protect everyone
Speaker 8: but innocent individuals or victims of crimes and children. I
Speaker 8: want to suspect, support and protect children and innocent people
Speaker 8: that are victims of crime, and those who don't understand
Speaker 8: that start up to me to try to convince them.
Speaker 8: I know what my job is, my goal is, and
Speaker 8: I was clear of that while running and when I
Speaker 8: became mayor.
Speaker 6: Safety means everything to me.
Speaker 8: Five hundred thousand children, we don't know where they are
Speaker 8: right now in this country.
Speaker 3: Ryan, How does that happen?
Speaker 2: I don't understand how people can turn a blind eye
Speaker 2: to this.
Speaker 3: This is disgusting.
Speaker 2: And if any there's any reason to close the border
Speaker 2: and tighten up security down there is.
Speaker 6: This not it.
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of people on the left
Speaker 7: that are just they're okay with some collateral damage. And
Speaker 7: I say that as somebody who has covered very closely
Speaker 7: the trendy Aragua gang presence in Aurora, and had a
Speaker 7: bit of a dust up with Comrade Kyle about that,
Speaker 7: along with John Fabricatory against nine News Chris van Derveen.
Speaker 7: They're very sensitive about their parenthetical lack of parenthetical coverage
Speaker 7: of that issue.
Speaker 6: But I think there's a lot of the left to go.
Speaker 7: You know, there are so many good immigrants here that
Speaker 7: it's okay, we're gonna.
Speaker 6: Have to take the bad ones.
Speaker 7: And if some children get trafficked, well that's just part
Speaker 7: of the deal too. We just got to have open borders.
Speaker 7: We can't enforce the border. We've got to let people
Speaker 7: in and that it's a net positive. That's the only
Speaker 7: thing I can really pull from this. That is something
Speaker 7: that makes sense from the last perspective.
Speaker 2: My goodness, if any of our Democrat friends that are
Speaker 2: listening right now want to call in or text in
Speaker 2: and explain to us how you can vote for someone
Speaker 2: who would support not just blowing that thing up, Like,
Speaker 2: where do we find these children?
Speaker 3: How do we stop this?
Speaker 2: How do we protect this the kids that are out there,
Speaker 2: how do we find them get them into good homes.
Speaker 2: It's just it's heartbreaking. To me, and it's it's absolutely
Speaker 2: should be the first priority if the president, I know
Speaker 2: it is the incoming president, President Trump.
Speaker 3: But also I think we're going to have a.
Speaker 2: Really hard time when the media decides that they're going
Speaker 2: to highlight every single person that gets deported that doesn't
Speaker 2: you know, isn't a hardcore criminal, or if they deport
Speaker 2: families together, they're going to try and play that up.
Speaker 2: And there was an interesting a second clip that I'd
Speaker 2: like you to play number two about what Homan can
Speaker 2: do on this front and how to deal with the
Speaker 2: issue of how we hold people accountable for what's happening
Speaker 2: at the border.
Speaker 1: So you will not only go after the illegal migrants,
Speaker 1: you may go after some mayors who aren't helping.
Speaker 6: If they step over that line.
Speaker 9: They just sit back and watch us, which again I
Speaker 9: find incredible. You don't want to take public safety threat
Speaker 9: to your community to help us. But there are laws
Speaker 9: on the books that we will we will prosecute at
Speaker 9: eighteen USC one to eleven, competing a federal law enforced
Speaker 9: officers a felony Title eight and I says called thirteen
Speaker 9: twenty four trum ply if you knowingly can see or
Speaker 9: harbor and the alien from ice that is a felony.
Speaker 9: When I was an agent a long time ago, I've
Speaker 9: arrested US citizens for harboring and alien their holding or
Speaker 9: place on employment. If I can do it to a citizen,
Speaker 9: why can't I do it to a politician who's going
Speaker 9: to actively getting our way preventives from doing our job.
Speaker 2: Okay, So here we go Mike Johnston, Mayor Mike Johnston
Speaker 2: Denver Polist Governor Jared Poulis, who said they would push
Speaker 2: back against the effort by the Trump administration to remove
Speaker 2: illegal criminal immigrants. And so I wonder how that's going
Speaker 2: to play. Are they really going to go to jail
Speaker 2: on this issue to stand strong on this? Johnston kind
Speaker 2: of alluded to it and then he backed off.
Speaker 3: But maybe he makes a political statement by doing that.
Speaker 2: You know, the day to day consequences of this, not
Speaker 2: to mention the five hundred thousand children that they can't
Speaker 2: find in this country are living in Denver, Colorado, or
Speaker 2: in Lone Tree, Colorado now where almost every night we're
Speaker 2: getting crime alerts down there. And I think it has
Speaker 2: to do with it's the last light rail stop. I
Speaker 2: think crimes are happening more and more in the suburbs,
Speaker 2: We're going to see it explode.
Speaker 3: If they don't take care of what's happening in Denver.
Speaker 2: And I just wonder when the day, like the citizens
Speaker 2: of Denver and the metro area are going to stand
Speaker 2: up and say enough and push back on this stuff.
Speaker 3: People have to stop being quiet.
Speaker 2: They have to talk to their elected officials and hold
Speaker 2: them accountable. And if that means letting Tom Homan come
Speaker 2: in or John Fabricatory, who I hope is going to
Speaker 2: work with the administration and arrest people for protecting these criminals,
Speaker 2: even if it's Mayor Johnston or Governor Jared Poulis, what
Speaker 2: do you think about that? Ryan, do you think that
Speaker 2: could possibly happen.
Speaker 6: I don't think it'll get to that point.
Speaker 7: And what I'm very confused by is I think Mike
Speaker 7: Johnston has higher aspirations for the governor's office, which I
Speaker 7: get because we're a left leaning state. But for somebody
Speaker 7: like Jared Polis that I think is trying to thread
Speaker 7: a needle here, like with the cost cutting venture that
Speaker 7: drew attention from a vague that he would take the
Speaker 7: wrong side of this, the absolute losing side of this issue.
Speaker 7: It perplexes me because usually, if anything, Polis is a
Speaker 7: very calculated, smart political animal, and that's not a smart move.
Speaker 3: No, I agree, I agree. So what's driving this?
Speaker 2: Why aren't more politics standing up and speaking out like
Speaker 2: the mayor of New York City. I'm very proud of him.
Speaker 2: He did a great job and he just was relentless.
Speaker 2: He even called out the media and said, you've already
Speaker 2: written your narrative. I know you have, so I'm not
Speaker 2: going to take much time up here talking to you,
Speaker 2: which was really wild. All right, well, Ryan, let's take
Speaker 2: a break. We've got so much more to talk about.
Speaker 2: I'm going to have Brad Beck and Marla Reichert on later.
Speaker 2: Brad's going to talk to us about messaging and Colorado.
Speaker 2: He runs Liberty Toastmasters and Marla used to be the
Speaker 2: chair of the Pueblo County GOP and is doing great
Speaker 2: work down there.
Speaker 3: And Pueblo had a great election.
Speaker 2: This is Heidi Ganaal. I'm filling in for Dan Caples.
Speaker 2: I look forward to seeing you after the break.
Speaker 6: And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3: Good Friday Afternoon.
Speaker 2: It's Heidi Ganal filling in for Dan Kaplis, who's at
Speaker 2: the end of his mighty trial. He's been on this week.
Speaker 2: I believe Ryan, you have some news about that.
Speaker 6: He do have some breaking news.
Speaker 7: This shared to me just moments ago by one Dan
Speaker 7: Caples and I try to keep warning people out there.
Speaker 7: If you see Dan Caplis and Campalis law is the
Speaker 7: other name on the docket, then find a way to settle,
Speaker 7: not go to court.
Speaker 6: Wow, he says. The good news.
Speaker 7: Is a very wise and hard working jury just returned
Speaker 7: a seven figure verdict in our trial. Very proud to
Speaker 7: say it's my seventh seventh figure verdict in a row.
Speaker 7: God is good that from Dan Caplis.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 3: Winning, winning, and more winning.
Speaker 6: You gonna gets tired of winning?
Speaker 7: Okay, seven times, seven brides for seven brothers and seven
Speaker 7: figures seven times.
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, that is not a clip. That's actually right.
Speaker 6: Thing, he would say. Though, I got to come back
Speaker 6: with the song that has the number seven in it.
Speaker 3: I think, okay, number you're good at that.
Speaker 6: I gotta do what I gotta do, Okay.
Speaker 2: Ryan, I want to talk more about winning. Let's talk
Speaker 2: more about winning in Colorado. Okay, how do we win
Speaker 2: in Colorado?
Speaker 6: Well, you gave it a game effort.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you, yead.
Speaker 7: I mean, think about the deck that was stacked against
Speaker 7: you going into that. Just the sheer dollar amounts that
Speaker 7: polists could just, you know, spend willy nilly on whatever
Speaker 7: he wanted.
Speaker 6: How do you encounter that? I don't even know. That's
Speaker 6: the first step, I would say.
Speaker 3: I was very naive.
Speaker 2: I thought we could outwork the money until three weeks
Speaker 2: before the election when my consultant called and she said, Ah,
Speaker 2: there was just like a ten million dollar ad buy,
Speaker 2: and we think there's a couple more, probably to the
Speaker 2: tune of twenty twenty five million that's going to start
Speaker 2: raining down on you any minute.
Speaker 3: Literally walk out of the office.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Oh, it's fine, it's fine, everything's going to
Speaker 2: be fine. I walk out of my office, I look
Speaker 2: at the TV boom. The first ad hits. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh wow. And everywhere I went my kids were like, Mom,
Speaker 2: this is getting ridiculous. Every time they'd walk in the
Speaker 2: room there was another AD.
Speaker 6: I think it's going to take that though.
Speaker 7: I know I say that and it sounds cynical, but
Speaker 7: you really do need lawyers and money.
Speaker 6: I don't know what the gun's part, but careful, I'm
Speaker 6: going to go for you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, no, no, I'm talking just in the sheer sense
Speaker 7: of the political arena.
Speaker 6: There has to be a belief, Heidi, that we can
Speaker 6: win here.
Speaker 7: For example, with your race, the national money that might
Speaker 7: come in if somebody thought, hey, Heidi has a real
Speaker 7: chance of pulling this out. And I think one bright
Speaker 7: light that shined for me in this last election was
Speaker 7: Gabe Evans. Yeah, in the eighth Congressional District, a swing district.
Speaker 7: It turns out it was very important in the balance
Speaker 7: of power in the House. The Republicans have just a
Speaker 7: five seat majority had Gabe Evans loss to be a
Speaker 7: three seat majority, and there were a couple other races
Speaker 7: that were very very close like his. And what it does,
Speaker 7: I think it provides some kind of boost in the
Speaker 7: perception of Colorado that we can win here, that there
Speaker 7: is a path to victory, and that you get that
Speaker 7: congressional money, those dollars spent here so that Gabe Evans
Speaker 7: or another candidate can compete on a level playing field
Speaker 7: because we know that the Democrats are going to have
Speaker 7: the money coming in both from special interests and from
Speaker 7: national leadership as well.
Speaker 2: I agree, Ryan, and I think in Gabe's case, the
Speaker 2: money did come and it was super helpful, and people
Speaker 2: were activated around his race and did help out in
Speaker 2: the cure ballot part of it after the election, when
Speaker 2: we had to cure ballots, which means we had to
Speaker 2: kind of get voters whose ballots weren't going to necessarily
Speaker 2: count because the signature d were off or something was wrong,
Speaker 2: but to get them to fix it, and our team did.
Speaker 3: A great job of that.
Speaker 2: We also saw an incredible boost and Hispanic voter turnout
Speaker 2: and voting our way, and I think Trump had a
Speaker 2: lot to do with that his messaging, his focus on
Speaker 2: the working man. I think that was incredibly helpful to
Speaker 2: the CD eight race. Also, we also prevented a super
Speaker 2: majority at the legislature in Denver.
Speaker 3: That's huge.
Speaker 2: And then in a little while later in the next hour,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk to Marla Reichert about what happened
Speaker 2: in Pueblo. We had some incredible wins in Pueblo.
Speaker 7: Yes, that was the one county. And I've been kind
Speaker 7: of charting this for a while now. Heidi Publo used
Speaker 7: to be pretty reliably and solidly blue for a long
Speaker 7: time with the Hispanic population you talk about. But Trump
Speaker 7: won Puebelo County. Now we got to work on the
Speaker 7: margins because he had to have something that's going to
Speaker 7: overcome the these wild margins we see in Denver Boulder.
Speaker 7: And then unfortunately also where I live in a Rappahole County,
Speaker 7: which used to be at least a purple county, it's
Speaker 7: really not now, and there's a lot of population there,
Speaker 7: and it's a sheer numbers game. You know, where do
Speaker 7: we flip votes? Where can we find people win hearts
Speaker 7: and minds? And I think some of it A roadmap
Speaker 7: was provided with our good friend Valdemar Archa Letta A
Speaker 7: competing hard in the first district. We knew that that
Speaker 7: was likely not a winnable race, but he at least
Speaker 7: made the effort. He campaigned, he went into these communities,
Speaker 7: He had those conversations in Heidi, I think it starts there.
Speaker 2: I agree with you, Ryan, and I have a new
Speaker 2: Twitter community or ex community on my Twitter feed.
Speaker 3: My Twitter handles just Heidi Ganal.
Speaker 2: It's called Colorado's Road Back to Red and we've got
Speaker 2: about fifteen hundred people in the Twitter community and people
Speaker 2: are just yearning for what do I do today, Like,
Speaker 2: what do I actually tactically do today to help? And
Speaker 2: so we started this thing called fight back in five
Speaker 2: What can you do in five.
Speaker 3: Minutes a day?
Speaker 2: And so a few of the things that I'm recommending
Speaker 2: that people do. And then we're going to bring Brad
Speaker 2: Beck on after the break to talk about a message
Speaker 2: around this is number one. You've got to find out
Speaker 2: who your precinc leader is. And if you're an unaffiliated voter,
Speaker 2: still find out and you lean conservatives, still find out
Speaker 2: who the Republican precinc leader is. That's the person that
Speaker 2: oversees the neighborhood, like a certain neighborhood, and it's responsible
Speaker 2: to the district captain and the county chair.
Speaker 3: To kind of get things organized.
Speaker 2: They will have lists of all the voters in your
Speaker 2: neighborhood that are like minded. You can knock on doors,
Speaker 2: you can give them a call, you can text message them.
Speaker 2: So also get to know your county GOP. You may
Speaker 2: or may not agree with them, you may or may
Speaker 2: not want to get involved with them, but they have
Speaker 2: great events, they have great gatherings. You're going to meet
Speaker 2: some people that you really like. Also, make a list
Speaker 2: of all of your neighbors that you know are pretty
Speaker 2: like minded, that might be willing to get engaged and
Speaker 2: have a barbecue, have a party, have them over, talk
Speaker 2: to them. Start talking now, don't wait. The other thing
Speaker 2: I'm telling people is find out when your next county
Speaker 2: commissioner meeting is, your next city council meeting, your next
Speaker 2: school board meeting, and just go.
Speaker 3: Just go and sit in the audience. Learn who the
Speaker 3: players are.
Speaker 2: Go up afterwards and introduce yourself to them so that
Speaker 2: they know who you are. And then start commenting. Start
Speaker 2: getting up and getting the courage to comment. My daughter,
Speaker 2: my twenty nine year old, got up and commented it
Speaker 2: for the first time at the school board meeting last
Speaker 2: week in Douglas County, and it was awesome. She was
Speaker 2: really proud of herself. She was really engaged and she
Speaker 2: made a difference. And then finally start saving money now,
Speaker 2: just maybe ten bucks here, five bucks here in a
Speaker 2: little savings account or a jar that you can contribute
Speaker 2: to candidates next year, because I'm calling next year. I
Speaker 2: have a name for next year. School board year. It's
Speaker 2: got to be all about picking some school board races
Speaker 2: and going hardcore after flipping those races. What is that
Speaker 2: going to do. It's going to show us that we
Speaker 2: can win on the local level. It's going to teach
Speaker 2: people how to campaign, how to get engaged, how to activate.
Speaker 2: It's going to teach candidates what kind of messaging is
Speaker 2: going to resonate for the next couple of years. We
Speaker 2: can test some certain things and Ryan in a second,
Speaker 2: you can play that clip number one.
Speaker 3: This is what up to this conversation.
Speaker 2: I heard the Colorado Democrat chair saying that the party
Speaker 2: needs to meet voters where they are, and that's exactly
Speaker 2: what we're doing and why we won so many races
Speaker 2: across the country. So if you can play that clip,
Speaker 2: that'd be great.
Speaker 5: Bring out celebrities to our rallies. What type of message
Speaker 5: are we sending to the everyday voter about who we
Speaker 5: care for and who we're championing. And so I think
Speaker 5: we have to show up at the places where voters
Speaker 5: are giving their attention. We have to be able to
Speaker 5: go to football games, We have to be able to
Speaker 5: not just go on Joe Rogan once every two years,
Speaker 5: but we have to start building a climate where Democrats
Speaker 5: can go onto these platforms and not feel like it's
Speaker 5: husperus them. Even in places where we might have disagreement,
Speaker 5: I think we have to be able to find common
Speaker 5: values that can be translated to each other.
Speaker 3: So they got the message.
Speaker 2: They got the message about what went wrong in this
Speaker 2: last election, and they are not going to just sit
Speaker 2: back and let Colorado slide even more. They're going to
Speaker 2: come roaring back, and we've got to be ready. We've
Speaker 2: got to be sharper, better, more prepared. And that happens
Speaker 2: in your own neighborhood. There's nobody coming to save the day,
Speaker 2: no new leader, no new chair of the GOP, no
Speaker 2: new candidate that's con flying in. You are the leader
Speaker 2: of your own neighborhood. Take the ball and run with it.
Speaker 2: That's the message for twenty twenty five. All right, guys,
Speaker 2: we're gonna come after break with Brad beck a dear friend,
Speaker 2: head of Liberty toastmasters across Colorado where they teach you
Speaker 2: how to speak about the liberty message.
Speaker 3: This is Hidi Ganall filling in for Dan Kaplis. We'll
Speaker 3: see you after the break.
Speaker 6: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2: Tgif everyone, it's gonna be a.
Speaker 3: Fun weekend ahead.
Speaker 2: This is Heidiganal filling in for Dan Kaplis Ryan. It's
Speaker 2: been a crazy week, so much news, lots going on.
Speaker 2: One of the things I want to cover in a
Speaker 2: little bit after we talked to.
Speaker 3: Brad is this drone situation.
Speaker 2: I just saw that Trump finally addressed it and said,
Speaker 2: if you can't identify what they are, shoot them down.
Speaker 3: So I went on to.
Speaker 2: Just kind of check out if Elon Musk could wait
Speaker 2: into this. I'm figuring he's the space guy, maybe he
Speaker 2: knows what's going on.
Speaker 3: This is kind of hilarious.
Speaker 2: Bill Malougan says, Elon any thoughts on the mass drone
Speaker 2: sidings off the East coast. He says, alien spaceships controlled
Speaker 2: by Iran. Obviously, I was like, oh, he's not serious, right, No,
Speaker 2: I'm just.
Speaker 6: Kidding, maybe half serious, and they run I know.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what does that even mean? Do you think
Speaker 3: they know what these things are and they're just not
Speaker 3: telling us.
Speaker 7: I went over that clip that you sent and we
Speaker 7: can play this a little bit later John Kirby with
Speaker 7: Martha McCallum, who was giving him no quarter, by the way,
Speaker 7: and it seems like they genuinely don't know, which I
Speaker 7: don't know which is worse if they knew it, weren't
Speaker 7: telling us, or they're just buffoons who are unaware of
Speaker 7: anything that going on.
Speaker 2: Wow, oh boy, all right, we'll table that for now.
Speaker 3: Do we have mister Beck online?
Speaker 2: Oo?
Speaker 3: Do I need to press something? Thank you?
Speaker 6: Brad?
Speaker 3: Are you there?
Speaker 4: I am? How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm great, Brad? Happy Friday. So good to talk to you.
Speaker 6: I am.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear what you have to say
Speaker 3: about how to.
Speaker 2: Leverage this moment in time in Colorado with the Democrats
Speaker 2: messing so many things up and us having an opportunity
Speaker 2: with an incoming president that's just basically got.
Speaker 3: A mandate to do some really cool things.
Speaker 2: Tell us every day folks, how to message what's going
Speaker 2: on right now with our neighbors that are still kind
Speaker 2: of grumpy about the election.
Speaker 4: Well, I would say, the first of all, when you
Speaker 4: talk to the aliens or playing those drones over New
Speaker 4: Jersey and all over the country, when you say take
Speaker 4: us to the take us to your leader, they have
Speaker 4: to go down to mar A Lago.
Speaker 3: Good answer.
Speaker 4: But you have a great show today, ID, And you know,
Speaker 4: just like you, I'm an average person who started to
Speaker 4: practice public speaking because my business required it, and I
Speaker 4: started going to toast Masters, and I went through the
Speaker 4: leadership program of the Rockies. In two thousand and nine,
Speaker 4: graduated and started the Liberty toast Masters, which is a
Speaker 4: little different. We take the traditional structure of a Toastmaster's club,
Speaker 4: but we blend it with the timeless principles of being
Speaker 4: leaders in actions. So we talk about things like personal
Speaker 4: responsibility and individual rights and free markets and limited government,
Speaker 4: all based on our founding documents. One of the things
Speaker 4: that I have found over the years we're fifteen years
Speaker 4: old in Denver and about twelve years in Longmont. Two
Speaker 4: clubs that I go to is that we have fun.
Speaker 4: We practice, we polish, and we try to perfect as
Speaker 4: best as we can, really try to get better at
Speaker 4: excellence rather than perfection. But we always are having the
Speaker 4: opportunity to try something and fail. And there's nothing wrong
Speaker 4: with failing in public speaking when you're in a group
Speaker 4: of people who you give you critical feedback. And that's
Speaker 4: one of the keys with Postmasters is that we're always
Speaker 4: giving positive feedback so people perform better.
Speaker 2: So, Brad, you're an incredible sales professional, I mean you're
Speaker 2: in management, etc. But I'm just always so impressed with
Speaker 2: how you're able to talk to the other side and
Speaker 2: get them to see the error of their ways in
Speaker 2: a gentle kind way. So can you give us an
Speaker 2: example of an issue right now that we're facing in
Speaker 2: Colorado that you might talk to with your neighbor who's
Speaker 2: leans liberal over the fence one day, and how to
Speaker 2: tackle that.
Speaker 4: Well, one of the things Heidie I would suggest the
Speaker 4: folks is know your subject. I mean, if you don't know,
Speaker 4: it's hard to be a expert or somebody who's informed
Speaker 4: enough to have a topic. But I always start off
Speaker 4: by asking questions when somebody's mentioning something, as you were
Speaker 4: talking about the immigration issue and what President elect Trump
Speaker 4: is talking about doing, you know, I would ask the question, well,
Speaker 4: what are your thoughts about it? Why is that important
Speaker 4: to you? You know, what are you reading? And get
Speaker 4: a sense of where they're at. Because people don't want
Speaker 4: to hear what you have to say as much as
Speaker 4: they want to be heard, and so often we're too
Speaker 4: busy talking or thinking about talking rather than listening. And
Speaker 4: one of the things we do in Toastmasters is do
Speaker 4: a lot of listening. So you got to know your material,
Speaker 4: You got to practice you got to know your audience,
Speaker 4: and you have to realize that people want you to succeed,
Speaker 4: especially in public speaking, because they don't want to go
Speaker 4: and hear somebody grown on. They want to be enlightened,
Speaker 4: informed and really get an opportunity to learn something new.
Speaker 6: And no note of the people.
Speaker 4: Are listening to each other these days. We're talking past
Speaker 4: each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, and you know, social media
Speaker 2: certainly doesn't help with that. But even on social media,
Speaker 2: asking questions and probing and trying to understand people, I
Speaker 2: think is a great approach versus just making statements, fighting back,
Speaker 2: pushing back. I think people are opening up to the
Speaker 2: idea that may they may want to have conversations. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you heard the clip from the Colorado
Speaker 2: Democrat chair, but he said we need they need to
Speaker 2: meet voters where they are. They learned some lessons in
Speaker 2: this last election. And I will never give Shad Murop
Speaker 2: any credit for anything, but I mean he's right, and
Speaker 2: if they fix that problem, we're in trouble, like we're
Speaker 2: not going to get as many games as we want.
Speaker 2: But I think Republicans have done a better job of
Speaker 2: that in the last election and really meeting people where
Speaker 2: they are, whether it's Joe Rogan or a podcast in Colorado,
Speaker 2: or you know, going to different neighborhoods or different popularlytions
Speaker 2: that think differently than us.
Speaker 3: Even when I was at.
Speaker 2: The RNC convention and they had the union leader there,
Speaker 2: that was wild. I mean, it just shook people up
Speaker 2: a little bit. But I think it ended up helping
Speaker 2: in the election to see that.
Speaker 4: Well. Too many people, I think on our site for
Speaker 4: too long, have been pushing facts and figures. One of
Speaker 4: my mentors, Jeffrey Gittemer, who wrote The Sales Bible and
Speaker 4: the Little Golden Book of Yes attitude, and I think
Speaker 4: it's a lot of this as attitude. But if it,
Speaker 4: facts and figures are forgotten. But stories are we told,
Speaker 4: and stories that make a point connect at a heart level,
Speaker 4: and they get people emotionally. And you know, there's six
Speaker 4: universal emotions that most cultures have happiness and sadness, anger, surprise, disgust,
Speaker 4: and fear. And if you can tap into one of
Speaker 4: those emotions through a personal experience a story that makes
Speaker 4: a point, you're more likely to connect and have agreement
Speaker 4: with people than argue with them. So I always suggest
Speaker 4: to people what story do you have that can help
Speaker 4: people understand your point of view, and then try to
Speaker 4: connect where they're at as they're saying.
Speaker 2: That's a great point, Brad, and I think that's really
Speaker 2: good advice for all of us is to pick a
Speaker 2: topic that we're really comfortable with, maybe avoid the ones
Speaker 2: that we're not so we don't get tangled up in
Speaker 2: a conversation that isn't effective, and then really think about
Speaker 2: a story about why you're passionate about that issue and
Speaker 2: how to talk about it in a way that relates
Speaker 2: to how you feel to the other person. Listen a lot,
Speaker 2: and ask a lot of probing questions. Am I missing something?
Speaker 4: No? Those are all great. And you mentioned earlier Heidi
Speaker 4: about going to town hall meetings, school board meetings. Most
Speaker 4: of the time they give you two to three minutes,
Speaker 4: and that's important to know because if you're going to
Speaker 4: speak in front of an audience and only want to
Speaker 4: make an impact that really gets people to think, you
Speaker 4: have to know your rate of speaking. And one of
Speaker 4: the things I was taught by getting David Brooks, who's
Speaker 4: a world champion of public speaking. He said, read something
Speaker 4: out loud per a minute, and then count the words.
Speaker 4: Do that three times, add up the total and divide
Speaker 4: by three. You'll get your rate of speaking. So on average,
Speaker 4: most men are about one hundred and twenty five words
Speaker 4: per minute. Most women are about one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 4: I won't comment on why, but at three minutes, one
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty words per minute, you have four hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty words that you can say. And so what
Speaker 4: I would suggest is write out a presentation of speech
Speaker 4: and then edit it down. If you can reveal some
Speaker 4: humor or something insightful, great, but then practice it, and
Speaker 4: then keep practicing. Record yourself on a phone, and the
Speaker 4: next thing you want to do is when you go
Speaker 4: up to the lectern and give your presentation and you're
Speaker 4: within the time, because once you go to three minutes
Speaker 4: and one second, they'll shut you down. You've got to
Speaker 4: know your rate of speaking, and then if your practicing it,
Speaker 4: you're understanding who your audience is. You know, a lot
Speaker 4: of times people say, well, you only have two to
Speaker 4: three minutes, it can't be that impactful. And I often
Speaker 4: remind people that the Gettysburg address by Abraham Lincoln was
Speaker 4: about two minutes and maybe fifteen to thirty seconds. How
Speaker 4: packfl was that speech.
Speaker 3: That's wild, Brett, you can make a difference. We've got
Speaker 3: a break.
Speaker 2: But I want to thank you for coming on and
Speaker 2: giving some great advice on how to get, you know,
Speaker 2: get the nerve up to speak at a school board meeting,
Speaker 2: county commissioner meeting, city council meeting. Everybody should try that once.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate all the work you do in Colorado.
Speaker 2: And how can people join Toastmasters Liberty toast Masters.
Speaker 4: Well, we have two clubs, one in Denver one and Longmont.
Speaker 4: Longmot meets tomorrow at the Boulder County Republican Office at
Speaker 4: four twenty five South Bowen Street, Sweep one and Longmont.
Speaker 4: But if they go on our website to the public
Speaker 4: downloads on either Denver or Longmont, there's ten tips for
Speaker 4: public speaking. Okay, it's under the unerals bolder. They can
Speaker 4: download that and have some of the things we've been
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 2: That's great, Brad, Well, thank you. We've got a head
Speaker 2: to break, but Brad, have a great day. This is
Speaker 2: Hidi Ganall filling in for Dan Caplis.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.
Speaker 6: And now back to the Dankapless Show podcast.
Speaker 2: Happy Friday everyone, It's Heidi Ganall filling in for Dan Caplis,
Speaker 2: who had a big win in his trial just a
Speaker 2: little bit ago.
Speaker 3: Congratulations Dan, you rock.
Speaker 2: I am so honored and blessed to be able to
Speaker 2: fill in every once in a while. This is such
Speaker 2: an incredible show and Ryan and Kelly you make this
Speaker 2: job very easy.
Speaker 3: I know I'm still a newbie, but uh, what are
Speaker 3: you talking about?
Speaker 2: You helped me along this morning, Ryan, I went to
Speaker 2: the Colorado Second District Service Awards ceremony up in Boulder
Speaker 2: at See You Boulder and Congressman Janah Goose.
Speaker 3: Was there and he was hosting it.
Speaker 2: And why would I go to this, people might ask, Well,
Speaker 2: I used to live in that district. I used to
Speaker 2: live in Superior, so I know a lot of people.
Speaker 2: And Jonah Goose actually used to be SeeU Regent. Did
Speaker 2: you know that, Ryan?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I believe I heard that. Mostly because you were
Speaker 7: a CU region at one time.
Speaker 2: Of course, yep, So we know each other a little
Speaker 2: bit because of that. But very nice guy, beautiful family,
Speaker 2: and seems to be very well liked as a congressman
Speaker 2: up there, and he's very high up in Democrat leadership
Speaker 2: in DC. And it got me thinking about who's going
Speaker 2: to be running for governor on that side to take
Speaker 2: Jared Poulis's place in twenty six. So we've got n Goose,
Speaker 2: who I think would be a very good candidate if
Speaker 2: he ran very hard to beat. Got Mike Johnston, who
Speaker 2: I know he's getting beat up a lot, but he's
Speaker 2: got some big, big money behind him, with Reid Hoffman,
Speaker 2: the LinkedIn guy, Mike Bloomberg that they could transform his
Speaker 2: persona I'm sure, and make him look very nice and effective,
Speaker 2: all that good stuff. And then we've got Phil Wiser,
Speaker 2: the Attorney General, and I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 2: how I feel about that. I think Jared Poulis is
Speaker 2: backing him. If you know differently let me know, But
Speaker 2: I think Phil Wiser wants to run. And of course
Speaker 2: Jenna Griswold, Janet Griswold, wants to run for governor.
Speaker 7: Kyle, go back and watch that interview with Comrade Kyle Clark.
Speaker 2: She just Skyle, you just nicked my chance to run
Speaker 2: for governor?
Speaker 6: What are you doing?
Speaker 4: Do?
Speaker 6: This'm sighing. It's just it's classic.
Speaker 3: I So, what do you.
Speaker 2: Think about Jonah Goose? Do you know much about him?
Speaker 6: Do you think he I think he's a rock star.
Speaker 7: I think he's an up and comer, very solid, very polished,
Speaker 7: very young, very sharp.
Speaker 6: I think he's a breath of fresh air. He's a change.
Speaker 7: I think he's malleable within the party in the sense
Speaker 7: that he can attract new voters. There are elements like
Speaker 7: you just named Phil.
Speaker 6: I call him.
Speaker 7: Phil Nonethewiser, okay, and he and Mike Johnson are kind
Speaker 7: of part of the same old, same old. May to
Speaker 7: appeal to a certain aspect of the party, but if
Speaker 7: you've got a wide open prime like you're describing there,
Speaker 7: I think it's going to take a certain type of
Speaker 7: personality to cut through that, and I think no Goose
Speaker 7: has that in spades. I think he's just polished. I
Speaker 7: think he's got a tremendous amount of appeal. And Dan
Speaker 7: and I have talked very highly about him in the past,
Speaker 7: and it doesn't surprise me that you share a high
Speaker 7: opinion of him as well, at least in terms of
Speaker 7: his political skills.
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously I disagree with him vehemently on a lot
Speaker 2: of things.
Speaker 3: But Nick Goose versus Jennet Griswold.
Speaker 6: That's not a contest. Yeah, that's a joke.
Speaker 7: I mean, I would hope even if a Democrat's listening
Speaker 7: out there, I mean, go ahead and pick Jenna Griswold,
Speaker 7: I guess. But if you want to win, which I
Speaker 7: would think would be the ultimate goal, you're not picking her.
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 2: Ever, well, and I was really impressed that he selected
Speaker 2: Britta Horn as the Volunteer of the Year award for
Speaker 2: his district.
Speaker 6: That's nice.
Speaker 3: It was very nice.
Speaker 2: And Britta does amazing work as the fire chief up there,
Speaker 2: volunteer fire chief. She's very involved nationally with fireboards, and
Speaker 2: she's just very dedicated to her community. I think she
Speaker 2: lives in a town of like she took thirty two
Speaker 2: and twenty eight of them are.
Speaker 3: Have the same last name. I'm like Britta.
Speaker 2: And they don't have any broad like cell service up
Speaker 2: there either, so you know, that's difficult.
Speaker 3: To fight fires and deal with the issues that they do.
Speaker 2: So that was really cool that Congressman Degoose selected Britta
Speaker 2: Horn chief Britta Horn as the Volunteer of the Year
Speaker 2: for Colorado second District. I think that's great. So we've
Speaker 2: talked about the governor's race. Do you think John Hickenlooper
Speaker 2: is really gonna run again. He does have a little.
Speaker 3: Baby at home. Doesn't he have a kid like a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago?
Speaker 6: Old for that? Doesn't he? I mean, no offense, but
Speaker 6: I mean that's that's pretty wild.
Speaker 3: How old is he?
Speaker 6: He's seventy, isn't he something close to that?
Speaker 3: I think he's in his seventies y, Yeah, so you.
Speaker 7: Know, I mean Donald Trump had a kid late in
Speaker 7: life too, with Baron that went well.
Speaker 6: He's seventy two. John Hickenlooper.
Speaker 2: I thought for a hot minute that maybe Jared Poulis
Speaker 2: would try and kick him out and take that Senate
Speaker 2: seat just to be relevant for the next couple of
Speaker 2: years while he waits to run for president.
Speaker 3: But maybe he's just to go right into running for her.
Speaker 7: I think Kickenlooper would maybe serve one more term or
Speaker 7: or try to run one more time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's six years.
Speaker 2: So then we're looking at what twenty thirty two that
Speaker 2: Hickenlooper would be done.
Speaker 7: If he wins this next one. And I mean you
Speaker 7: look at just the baseline age. Mitch McConnell taking a
Speaker 7: spill the other day, Oh my goodness, and he got him,
Speaker 7: You got Nancy Pelosi got Biden.
Speaker 3: She broke her hip today.
Speaker 2: Oh come on, yeah, no, she fell she was visiting somewhere.
Speaker 2: She's in a hospital in Luxembourg or some I don't know.
Speaker 6: Back comparison, Hickenlooper is a kid compared to them.
Speaker 3: What you have to remember she fell in high heels.
Speaker 3: Oh well she fell style. She fell with style. Lordie, lordie.
Speaker 3: That is wild. That is just wild. So okay, we've
Speaker 3: got Bennett up.
Speaker 7: Then in twenty wait, Bennett doesn't like Ted Cruz reading
Speaker 7: cat in the hat.
Speaker 2: He was he was an interesting candidate, like I just
Speaker 2: would was off while he was talking, and I mean,
Speaker 2: god bless Joe Day for going up against him. It
Speaker 2: was rough, like we knew Bennett would have a lot
Speaker 2: of money, but he's just so smooth and he talks
Speaker 2: like this in this monotone was with a little bit
Speaker 2: of Eastern accent.
Speaker 3: I can't do it.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I at least I agreed with him.
Speaker 7: I interviewed him on election night. He came on KOA
Speaker 7: and we were we had an accord about ranked choice voting.
Speaker 7: We both opposed it and failed, so joining forces Michael
Speaker 7: Ben and I one.
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm impressed. I think a little bit differently of
Speaker 3: you now right.
Speaker 6: I don't know, maybe not in a good way.
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to take a break and come back.
Speaker 2: We've got lots of good stuff to talk about. We're
Speaker 2: going to dig into Pueblo too at the five point
Speaker 2: thirty five break and talk to Marla Reichert. We'll see
Speaker 2: in a few minutes.