WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.439 The Assault force comes down into Maduro's compound. Apparently this 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:08.400 was like the presidential compound. The Delta operators quickly entering 3 00:00:08.599 --> 00:00:11.519 and clearing the target structure. Maduro actually ran for the 4 00:00:11.560 --> 00:00:14.560 panic room, trying to seal himself inside this panic room. 5 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:16.679 He was trying to get the door closed when the 6 00:00:16.719 --> 00:00:22.000 Delta operators rolled up on him and detained him. 7 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:25.160 Everybody, welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics. I'm 8 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:29.359 here with Jack Murphy, Mick mulroy Irish Brothers today. 9 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:31.399 Of course. 10 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:36.399 Yeah, a lot popped off over the last twenty four 11 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:39.200 to thirty six hours. Nicholas Mudua was captured by a 12 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:44.479 jaysuck raid. Primarily it looks like led by Delta Force 13 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:45.920 with some CIA help. 14 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:46.479 Obviously. 15 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:49.479 There's been reported that ground branches on the ground since 16 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:53.799 August in a safe house in carac Is shucking and jobbing, 17 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:59.200 doing some covert operations, doing what they do. It also 18 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:02.039 was reported that there were somebody close in the inner 19 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:04.760 circle of Maduro that was, you know, handing over a 20 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:10.079 ton of intelligence to the United States. You know, fifty 21 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:12.120 million sounds nice. I would probably do the same thing 22 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:15.879 if I lived in Venezuela and it all went down. 23 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.000 It looked like it went down pretty smoothly. One helicopter 24 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:21.680 took some damage and there were a couple of injuries. 25 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:25.159 But those those folks were brought to I think San Antonio, 26 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:27.159 right because there's a Level one trauma center there at 27 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:32.760 DD one to get you know, get better. Honestly, it 28 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:36.000 was you know, we've been I've been doing the team 29 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:38.159 House for a long time with Jack and Dave, and 30 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:40.319 we've been, you know, interviewing. 31 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:40.359 Guys like this. 32 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:43.280 This is probably the best thing that the America can 33 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:46.359 actually do. And I think it's all downhill after this, 34 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:51.000 if I'm being completely honest. Maduro was transferred to the 35 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:54.079 us SEO Jima vent to Guantanamo. Now he's in he's 36 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:57.680 like three miles away from me in Brooklyn, hanging out 37 00:01:57.760 --> 00:01:59.519 and he's gonna be brought up on charges. 38 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:02.959 So it was an insane operation. 39 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:05.000 I can't wait for the next few years when we start, 40 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:06.959 when the guys start retiring and coming on the Team 41 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:10.080 House and telling us about it. Buffer Right now, let's 42 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:11.840 talk about what went down yesterday. 43 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:14.240 I mean, you guys take your picks to go first. 44 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:16.960 I'd just like to go a little bit into some 45 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:20.479 of the background, and if my voice gives out, I apologize. 46 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:23.080 I'm getting kind of sick. So it's good we're doing 47 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:23.639 this remotely. 48 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:26.319 So one of the. 49 00:02:26.199 --> 00:02:28.680 Things that kind of like plays into how this unfolded 50 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:31.759 was over the last four years there have been a 51 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:35.240 lot of dissatisfaction in the Venezuelan military because of Manduro, 52 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.879 you know, basically promoting his loyalists, you know, people who 53 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:43.360 are incompetent, and so that's creating that created a break 54 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.479 within the Venezuelan military. And then the other thing was 55 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:49.039 there are a couple high level of defections. I think 56 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:51.800 one of them was Venezuela's intel chief and another was 57 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:54.120 one of the guys that ran state run oil companies 58 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:57.439 over there. And those defections, as I understand it, were 59 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:01.199 te too enabling the CIA to know who to work 60 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:03.120 with on the ground, to put them in touch with 61 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:06.800 resistance networks on the ground, and there was a local 62 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:09.879 source network and resistance network on the ground that played 63 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:14.960 a key part of this operation. So then around September October, 64 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:17.919 as I understand it, the planning process for this operation 65 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:21.879 really kicked up and they went into what's known as 66 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:25.680 operational preparation of the battlefield or environment, depending on the 67 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:30.960 acronym you want to use. You know, we mentioned, you know, 68 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:34.840 Special Activities was on the ground. Absolutely, this CIA was 69 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:39.280 all over this one. The unit known as is I 70 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:43.319 or is A or MSO or again whichever acronym we're 71 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:47.560 using this day. But Army Intelligence also, yeah, greatly involved 72 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:53.280 in the OPE portion of this, and that involves a 73 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:55.599 couple of different things. You notice that the lights got 74 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:58.800 turned out in Caracas similar to how they got turned 75 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:03.360 out in Abadabad before the operation took place. As I 76 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:06.000 understand it, we had complete control of the Venezuelan comm 77 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:10.080 system when we went in there, and then there's a 78 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:12.080 few and then there's a few more things that as 79 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:14.879 we run up to the actual operation. But Mick, I'll 80 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:16.600 let you take it from there. 81 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:22.560 Sure. Yeah. So I's start with absolutely well done on 82 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:28.639 the part of Jaysuck and obviously my old outfit supporting them. 83 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:30.680 You know, we'll get into the legalities a bit, but 84 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:34.000 I think everybody can be proud of how this was executed. 85 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:36.519 And I agree with you d it's one of the 86 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:39.319 things that the US does the best right project power 87 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:43.519 anywhere in the world, based on exquisite intelligence, which really 88 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.600 needs to happen, or it's a risk not worth taking 89 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:49.079 if you don't have that intelligence. Right, So I don't 90 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:53.879 I mean, you already repeated what was reported on what 91 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:56.160 the agency did. I don't know that to be true, 92 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:58.600 but I'm imagine it is, and I imagine somebody out 93 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:03.120 there is talking about it. Likely. I think it's exceptional 94 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:05.800 if they did insert a team on the ground that 95 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:09.000 was there for that many months. Took a lot of 96 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:11.199 cuts to do that, and a lot of a lot 97 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:15.680 of very skilled tradecraft, and it it apparently did lead 98 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.560 to knowing exactly where and when Manduro would be, which 99 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:23.439 is really a necessity when it comes to deploying a 100 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:30.000 force like Delta. It's it's incredibly dangerous to go into 101 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:35.000 a built up urban environment with that amount of force. 102 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:36.199 Uh. 103 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:37.120 It's very risky. 104 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:37.759 Uh. 105 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:40.040 And they did it, and they did it really well. Yes, 106 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:42.360 there was some you can expect that. You know, there's 107 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:45.759 gonna be some injuries. Unfortunately, let's all think about the 108 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:49.319 guys as a get better, and then of course, the 109 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:53.519 damage to the helicopter pats off one hundred percent. The 110 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:55.759 question is going to be and I think Jack needs 111 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:57.160 to get into some more of the details, because the 112 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:00.319 Nyboy's written about this. Before we get into legality everything 113 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:04.600 that came out with the press conference. Specifically to Maduro, 114 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:08.040 I think it's important to point out that he wasn't 115 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:12.120 a legitimate president. He had lost the election and stayed 116 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:16.399 in power, and he has been indicted for five years. 117 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:19.720 He is the head of a drug cartel, so I 118 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:24.680 get the questions on the legality. Comparing it to Noriega, 119 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:29.680 There's some differences there, especially when it came to the 120 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:34.079 aftermath and Noriega's point, as soon as we got him, 121 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:39.839 the actual elected government leader was sworn in like the 122 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:42.800 day after if you go back and look at history. 123 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:46.040 So we played it a little different there. But as 124 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.759 far as the actual apprehension, Jordane a well done. Hats 125 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:51.920 off to the military, hats off to my old organization 126 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:55.040 to support it, and I think that it's a good 127 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:57.560 thing that he's off the streets. 128 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:00.759 One of the things that I've heard was that we 129 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.920 had recruited a source very close to Maduro who was 130 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:07.519 able to provide basically real time updates on his movements 131 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:11.399 the last couple of weeks. So when the chairman of 132 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:14.360 the Joint chiefs of Staff stood up yesterday and he said, 133 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:16.759 like we were tracking where he was going, where he 134 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:19.839 was sleeping, even who you know, what his pets were, Like, 135 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:22.959 that's probably pretty that's probably pretty accurate in this case. 136 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:28.160 And the you know, speaking to the legality a little 137 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:30.079 bit before we get into the bigger picture, that the 138 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.800 ope piece of this operation, as I understand it, was 139 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:36.720 conducted under the two thousand and one Authorization for the 140 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.319 Use of Military Force the aum F, which is very interesting. 141 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.519 The AMF is being used to justify basically any sort 142 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:48.199 of military action anywhere in the world. I'm not saying 143 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:50.800 that's the correct legal interpretation, but that's how it's been 144 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:54.800 interpreted and how it's been used. And it's also being 145 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:58.439 used to justify the strikes against the alleged drug boats 146 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:02.279 off the coast, so that it's you know, a post 147 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:05.319 nine to eleven legal authority that continues to haunt us 148 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:10.920 for better or worse. So as far as the operation itself, 149 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:15.319 there were a couple guys from the FBI Hostage Rescue 150 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:20.680 Team on board the helicopters. There were about eleven helicopters, 151 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.800 three Little Birds, two Chinook, six Blackhawks about that crossed 152 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:27.839 into Venezuelan airspace around one am local time. 153 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:29.600 Where did they launch from? 154 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:34.720 You know checked, I believe off the coast, so from. 155 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:37.360 A ship because we have let's just say, in logo inside, 156 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:40.200 we have a lot of former Sale Team six and 157 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:42.679 Delta guys. So if they launched from a ship, this 158 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:46.799 is going to be really funny. Yes, there's going to 159 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:48.679 be a lot of back and forth on that one. 160 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:52.360 For this operation, I'm told that there was a Delta squadron, 161 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:55.720 a DEV Group squadron, and a Ranger battalion all deployed 162 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:59.840 for it. The assault force itself consisted of Delta and Rangers. 163 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:03.399 I'm trying to make sure I'm one hundred percent on this, 164 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:06.159 but I believe it was C Squadron from Delta and 165 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:08.919 three seventy five third Ranger Battalion that was on the 166 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:14.559 assault force. They used Terraine masking basically to hide their 167 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:18.799 radar signature as they infiltrated into Venezuela. Hopped up over 168 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:22.399 that last terrain feature and assessed that they had still 169 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.159 maintained the element of surprise at that point. During the 170 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:29.759 final leg of the ingress, there's a huge strike package. 171 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:32.120 It sounds like about one hundred and fifty aircraft in 172 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:37.240 the air began suppressing the air defense systems air strikes. 173 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:40.120 And those local source networks on the ground that I 174 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:43.120 mentioned earlier were, as I understand it, huge and enabling 175 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.440 this operation. That they emplaced a lot of technical devices 176 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:51.440 like jammers, beacons. You know, bombing beacons is a thing 177 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:53.879 not too many people talk about, but that's been around 178 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:58.320 since the sixties. So those local source networks were a 179 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:01.320 big part of helping this operation move forward. And again, 180 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.440 as I mentioned, the lights popped off as they were 181 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:09.320 heading in, and President Trump said during the press conference, 182 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:12.080 he said, we did that using a expertise. We have 183 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:17.000 make of that what you will. The assault force comes 184 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:22.000 down into Maduro's compound. Apparently this was like the presidential compound. 185 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:26.159 They came in, rangers helping with the isolation piece on 186 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:30.759 the target, the Delta operators quickly entering and clearing the 187 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:34.399 target structure, and as we were told in the press conference, 188 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:37.279 Maduro actually ran for the panic room. I was trying 189 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:40.360 to seal himself inside this panic room. He was trying 190 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:43.120 to get the door closed when the Delta operators rolled 191 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:45.879 up on him and detained him. And at that point 192 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:49.559 him and his wife surrendered themselves and they were placed 193 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:52.720 under arrest by the FBI agents who were on this operation. 194 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:56.759 Before we get into the exfiltration, anything you want to 195 00:10:56.840 --> 00:10:57.600 add their mick. 196 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:01.720 Well, I would like to add, you know, hats off 197 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:03.679 to the one sixtieth right, sometimes they don't get the 198 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:06.639 credit that this. Remember it has happened without the absolute 199 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:07.519 skilled expertise. 200 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:09.919 And you already mentioned the hard part of the mission, right. 201 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.480 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know, I think the 202 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:14.960 chairman said yesterday they flew about one hundred feet above 203 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:19.120 the water. I mean, I'm not a helicopropilot, but I 204 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:22.960 know how hard that is. Hundred feet above the water 205 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:27.679 at night, going into an area where you're probably guessing 206 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:29.720 you're going to get shot at a lot, because you know, 207 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:32.279 we try to mitigate the air threats. But you know, 208 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:37.919 so super hats off to them, and hats off of 209 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:40.600 the cyber guys. Somebody did that, whatever it was to 210 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:43.720 get the you know, we don't tend to give them 211 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:47.559 enough credit. That is a real big advantage when we 212 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.120 are very capable of fighting at night. That's what thing 213 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.840 the United States does better than anybody else. And it's 214 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:56.200 only effective if you could make it night, right, So 215 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:58.480 you got to make it night, and that's what they did. 216 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.559 So I just wanted to add those two you know, 217 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:04.360 had a voice to that, those two groups. 218 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:10.080 So as the aircraft came in for the extraction, there 219 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:13.840 were more suppressive fires, more air strikes around the target area. 220 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:17.639 They got onto the aircraft, and you know, they apparently 221 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:21.320 were told that they you know, the helicopters fired back 222 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:22.200 in self defense. 223 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:25.240 One of the helicopters ground fire against our ground. 224 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:27.000 Yeah, of course there was ground fire. 225 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:33.480 One helicopter was hit but remained fliable, and they took 226 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:37.120 back off and I believe the time they gave was 227 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:40.639 about three thirty am that they crossed back into international 228 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:45.840 airspace and back to whatever the platform that they launched from. Now, 229 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:48.159 what were I'm told that the DEV group guys that 230 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:51.840 were there for that operation not on the assault package, 231 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:54.720 but they had secondary targets that they were hitting, and 232 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:57.639 quite frankly, I don't know what those targets were right now, 233 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:02.360 but they played in the action. So yeah, a lot 234 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.240 of different folks got to play, uh during this operation 235 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:06.200 in different ways. 236 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:10.240 I And then let's see what's the next. 237 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:13.200 Is it true that they did a whole compound like 238 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:14.960 they did a mock compound, and. 239 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:19.759 Yeah, yeah, I was told Camp McCall they built like 240 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:24.080 a scale, like a two scale, perfect replica. It may 241 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.879 it may not have been McCall. There's another training area 242 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:30.000 that Jaysack uses in that area that's not technically McCall. 243 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:32.159 It's a different place, but it doesn't matter. Yeah, they 244 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:35.399 did do like full mission rehearsals for all of this, 245 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.679 and mcduro himself. I'm told that they've been recording him 246 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:46.279 basically constantly since he was first detained in order to 247 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:49.360 refute any allegations of torture that come down the line 248 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:52.559 that they are not they're not they are not torturing him, 249 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:55.759 and I'm told that actually some of the things that 250 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:59.279 have been done that they are treating him as a 251 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:03.240 representative of the state of Venezuela, even though we understand 252 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.039 him to be an illegitimate leader. So they're they're not 253 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:09.799 like walking him in the orange jumpsuit with the blindfold on. 254 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:13.840 They're not going quite that route with it. But he 255 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:17.120 is being watched to make sure that you know, there 256 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:19.919 aren't these these allegations down the line, And as you 257 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:23.240 pointed out, the he landed here in New York City, 258 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:25.879 I think last night. 259 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:27.639 Yeah, yeah, And. 260 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:30.279 I'm told right now the Department of Justice is hoping 261 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:31.600 that they can flip his wife. 262 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:32.759 So we didn't mention that. 263 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:37.759 But the wife, Cecilia, was detained a charge, so they 264 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:38.240 have something. 265 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:40.039 Yeah, they're trying to flip her. 266 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:44.639 But I'm not a legal expert, but I believe there 267 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:47.279 is some legal stuff about flipping a spouse. 268 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:48.639 It's kind of. 269 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:50.840 Something that's like in the in the court of law. 270 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:54.679 It's considered like something that you can't really do because 271 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:55.759 a spouse is never going. 272 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:58.159 To be like a spouse. It's almost like, you know, 273 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:00.000 you have like a priest and a lawyer type. 274 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:01.759 I don't know if that's I don't know if that's 275 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:03.000 an admissible in reality. 276 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:07.159 I think they can either one can wait. I don't 277 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.200 think it's not near a strong obviously as a lawyer 278 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:11.720 client privilege, but there is a spousal privilege. 279 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:15.600 Yeah, yeah, there is some some legal hiccups there. But 280 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:18.519 and also the the indictment itself. I read through it 281 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:22.519 yesterday and the indictment is like almost laughable. It's like 282 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.399 kind of a joke. And I've been told it's basically 283 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:29.559 just a boiler plate drug conspiracy indictment, and they're probably 284 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:32.480 gonna have to update it somewhere down the line because 285 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:36.039 like the stuff they're charged, the stuff that's in there, 286 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:37.960 it's like, yeah, good luck even proving that in a 287 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:38.559 court of law. 288 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:41.240 Well, the one where he's talking about using machine guns 289 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:45.399 against the that those were kind of laughable sounding charges. 290 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:48.919 Yeah, I mean there was I remember there was an 291 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:51.360 indictment that came down in Gaddafi. At one point I 292 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:53.960 read through that and that was equally laughable. It's like 293 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:56.799 it felt like a you know, a high school kid 294 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:59.840 wrote that in his mom's basement over a weekend or something. 295 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:02.799 But they're going to have to produce evidence to get 296 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:04.519 I mean, this is just an indictment. That's just to 297 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:07.320 get an indictment, and that's a low standard to get convictions, 298 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:09.039 you know, beyond a reasonable doubt. They're going to have 299 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:12.279 to declassify some intelligence and prove that he was running 300 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:15.279 this drug cartel. I'm not saying they can't, but they're 301 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:17.279 going to have to be ready to really disclose some 302 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:18.879 information because. 303 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:19.399 They can't lose this. 304 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:22.360 If they lose this, but are they going to fly 305 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:23.120 him back. 306 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:25.320 Just send them back. Yeah, like that's insane. 307 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:29.440 So the other thing that I wanted to mention was 308 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:32.519 that I was told that this was phase one of 309 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:36.679 the operation and that there are other phases, other stages 310 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:39.919 that may or may not be executed, the triggers of 311 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:42.360 which are kind of ambiguous from what I'm hearing. But 312 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:46.000 you know, Trump seemed to confirm this himself during the 313 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:48.679 press conference where he said, I have a second wave, 314 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:52.639 a much bigger wave. Actually second wave can be launched, 315 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:55.480 So there are other stages of this that can be 316 00:16:55.559 --> 00:17:02.240 launched if things deteriorate inside Venezuela. We did leave all 317 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:05.279 the other TEA leaders in place in Venezuela. That was 318 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:07.960 very intentional. We pulled the Duro out, but we did 319 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:12.480 not decimate the leadership element in the country because we're 320 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:14.920 hoping that they're going to figure things out. 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Like what 365 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:26.039 are they going to do quell a nation of twenty 366 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:29.279 five million people? I mean think about just do the 367 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:31.480 math on that, and under coin theory, that's like six 368 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:34.839 hundred thousand troops necessary to actually and we're not doing that. 369 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:41.519 So I not Nick No, I mean I have to say, 370 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.920 I mean there was differences legally Noriega, there was a 371 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:49.559 treaty to defend the canal. There was US forces that 372 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:53.720 were in Panama at the time that Noriega was apprehended, 373 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:56.480 So there was in some ways more of a legal 374 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:59.759 justification and self defense both to the canal, which we 375 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:03.920 had responsibility treaty obligation to do and defound our forces, right, 376 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:08.160 But it was similar in the fact that we arrested 377 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:12.079 and brought them to the United States, tried and convicted him. 378 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:16.240 I think they had a strong case obviously to make 379 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:20.839 the apprehension of Maduro legally. But then when we got 380 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:23.680 to the press conference, then the issue of we're going 381 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:30.039 to run Venezuela, I see no legal justification for that internationally. 382 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:34.799 We're going to take the oil that's clearly not allowed internationally. 383 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:37.799 Now the question is, well, there's like Excellent and Chevron, 384 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:42.559 they had their infrastructure basically taken by the government of Venezuela, 385 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:45.160 and I think they have an actual judgment of a 386 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:48.160 billion dollar so a legal judgment, obviously, I think they 387 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:50.480 should be made whole. But that doesn't mean the United 388 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:53.720 States gets to take the resources of another country just 389 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:58.160 because they had a bad dictator, right, But that belongs 390 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:01.480 to the people of Venezuela. And then the other part 391 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:08.160 is this idea that Machado has no support. You know, Machado, 392 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:13.400 the Nobel Piot Prize recipient. I am not a Venezuela expert. 393 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:17.519 I know Venezuelan experts. They say that's totally not true. 394 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:19.480 And the ones I know are on the right side 395 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:21.960 of the political spectrum, firmly on the right, and they 396 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:27.079 have told me in no uncertain terms. She did win 397 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:29.519 the election. It was a stand in that won seventy 398 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:32.119 percent of the vote. She wasn't allowed to run or 399 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:34.920 she would have won probably more. And she has a 400 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:38.039 lot of support in Venezuela. And if she were to 401 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:41.599