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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode. If you're wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor and chief of The Federalist, and

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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We

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love to hear from you. Molly. How are you? How

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are you doing through this constitutional crisis we're in right now?

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Speaker 2: The constitutional crisis is going pretty well for me.

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Speaker 1: It's going pretty well for me too, you know. Just quickly,

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before we get more into DOJE and all the you know,

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the Democrats claims about abuse of power, I just want

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to say that this is weirdly like a libertarian dream

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going on in a way. I don't think that people

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like myself are excited enough about this person going in

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and basically gutting or shrinking or providing this transparency that

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we have that like, if you told me we could

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have done this during the Bush years or any other

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year since then, I would have been super excited.

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Speaker 2: It's actually a bit disorienting because I have been feeling

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like one of those crazy people in the middle of

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the street screaming about how awful government operations are for decades,

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and to have other people come along and be like,

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did you know we're spending this on that? Or our

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entitlement program seem to be very out of control. It's

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weird because I've just been feeling lonely for a long

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time talking about it. Now it's become popular.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, we're a.

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Speaker 2: Tool you can look through to see where your money

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is being wasted.

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Speaker 1: I'm slightly confused as to whether that tool existed before

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or not, or we were just not looking.

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Speaker 2: Actually, not only did it exist before. Little known story.

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You can thank Sean Davis for that tool.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, okay, thank you Sean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So he was working for Senator Tom Coburn in Oklahoma,

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one of the great libertarian senators who just was called

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doctor No because he opposed pretty much everything the government

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was doing that was unconstitutional. And they were trying to

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get access to what was being spent where, and there

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was one agency in particular that was very reluctant to

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share details about what they were spending money on, and

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believe it or not, it was USAID. So they wrote

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a bill to require immediate posting on a government site

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of where the money was being spent and they wanted

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it to be bipartisan. They got Barack Obama on board

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because it was like one of these things where it's like, oh,

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I want to claim I'm against government ways fraud and abuse.

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And they even wrote the bill so that there was

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no funding for the posting of this information, like you

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just had to find the resources already. And so I

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think it's called what is it USASA spending dot. I'm

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so sorry that I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, and it's been there for a long time

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and it's you know, the data aren't perfect, it's not

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which we saw some of that as people became more

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aware of this tool. But yeah, Sean was like a

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twenty five year old staffer who had a dream and

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made it happen. And then like finally people are realizing

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you can look through these things.

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Speaker 1: This is a topic probably for another time, but there's

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a paradox within the Trump movement where a lot of

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people are like hardcore libertarians who want to destroy you know,

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Elon's putting up like Tom Friedman, Milton Friedman videos and

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Thomas Soule quotes, and then on the other side you

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have a lot of people who have very different ideas

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about how government should be, and sometimes I feel like

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maybe maybe there's is going to be somewhat of a

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class there as far as economic vision and size of

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government vision.

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Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, and I would highly recommend people do watch

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that Milton Friedman video if it's the one you're talking about,

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where Peter Robinson interviews him about which government agency should

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be kept in, which should be gotten rid of, and

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he kind of just goes through and explains why. But

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one thing that I'm crazy enough to know that very

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few people agree with my view of government, which is

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very limited. But I think all Americans support the idea

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of having a government that serves the people, that is,

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that is limited away from waste and fraud and abuse,

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you know. And there's a lot of agreement here even

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as people strongly disagree about what the size and scope

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of government should be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, USAID, I think does some decent stuff around

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the world occasionally, you know, but the amount of bad

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things they do, the it's clear that's just a slush

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run for a bunch of social science quackery we're spreading

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around the world. If we were using usa ID as

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a front for the CIA to Underminekami governments. I'm all

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in on that, but we're not. We're using it to

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put on you know, to do all this stuff that

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we've all heard about going back a really long time.

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was it might have been elsewhere, broke the story about

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how we had USA Idea had given the college, you know,

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funding to one of these al Qaeda terrorists who went

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to school in Colorado, by the way, where the what.

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Speaker 2: One of these an we're al Alaki himself.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And it's funny because there's a tradition of this

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in the sixties or fifties, the founder of the Muslim

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Brotherhood went to school in Greeley, Colorado, you know, and.

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Speaker 2: Where my parents went to school and met, and also

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my niece went there too. It's now called University of

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Northern Colorado. And what's better, what's best about this is, yeah,

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he went to Greeley, Colorado Teacher's college or something, and

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went to a shop and decided that he was so

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appalled by seeing men and women dancing together that he

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started one of the world's greatest terrorist movements, the Muslim

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Speaker 1: Always laughed at that when I lived there. I'm like, oh,

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he went to Greeley, and he's like, oh my god,

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this is terrible. I need to go back to Egypt.

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Speaker 2: I remember my dad always telling me that story. You know,

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but oh, that smells horribly and there's a smell of money.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, that's not the sort of thing we want to

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be doing right as a country, I think.

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Speaker 2: And I've just been to pause here again and we're

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al alaki. He went to Fort Collins, right, Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was so yeah, It's.

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Speaker 2: Just so random to me. And you know, usually when

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you think of state schools in Colorado, you'd think of

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University of Colorado, but there are two other state schools

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that have fomented terrorists on a global scale. I think

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that's just a really remarkable thing that Colorado could, like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, be fair. This was I believe you know, it

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was about a decade before you was a terrorist, right,

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so it wasn't like we sent a terrorist there. But

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still something's not right there. And you know, even if

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you think this or this agency does some good work

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around the world, uh, you know, it's obvious that they

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do a lot of bad things and shouldn't we know

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and shouldn't we scale it back. And you know, if

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they thought their charge was you know, supported by voters

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and Congress and all, that, they would be bragging about it,

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not trying to hide what they're doing, you know what

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I mean. So I'm completely forward this kind of transparency.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also interesting what Trump is doing is not

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getting rid of I D.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, even if that's what maybe should be happening. He's

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simply saying it needs to be accountable in a cabinet agency.

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So it's going under the State Department, that's it, and

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they're reviewing it's they're reviewing its spending to make sure

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that it's policies, that it's programs are aligned with the

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government's policies. The idea that this is in any way

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controversial is insane. Of course, you should make sure that

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this slush fund for the CIA or whatever is aligned

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with the government's policies. Also, in theory, all of it

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is fine, using these soft money things to achieve your

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foreign policy goals. The problem with USAID is that the

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people who were running it and the people who were

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running our country that their foreign policy goals were kind

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of at odds with the national interest. So when it starts.

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The whole idea is, oh, we'll help the good guys

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in global conflicts so that we don't have to go

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to war there. We'll just kind of like prop up

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the good guys. And then all of a sudden, the

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good guys became really bad guys. And so it's not

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just the animal all alachy types, but also we used

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that agency to push some of our worst ideas, whether

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it was trans radicalism or other bad ideas, and so

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it became this agency to spread hatred and bad madness

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because that's what the regime wanted, but it wasn't aligned

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with the Americans, with like actual American voters and people.

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Speaker 1: I would like to shut it down and just fold

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whatever they're doing under different, you know, agencies, but the

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you do need that to do that in Congress, and

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I'm happy that we're not just shuddering agencies illegally, as

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you might think from the things that Chuck Schumer and

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others are saying Elon Musk is doing. Now. It's so

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hard to tackle this. This is a big, big topic.

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But let's just start for a moment, if we could,

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with Elon Musk and this claim that he is not elected.

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Now Democrats are trying to make it out like he's

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the real president and all that. One of the biggest

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complaints I've had in twenty plus years of writing about

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politics is that we are not governed. We are managed

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by the administrative state. That's this leviathan that that that

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puts its claws into what you drive, what straws you use,

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you know, and a ton more everything in life. They basically, uh,

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in some essence, have some control over. That is not

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what the founder is envisioned, and that is not how

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we should be governed. And anything we can do to

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roll that, and that's always going to continue to grow,

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and you have to kind of shear it, you know,

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occasionally and trying to pull and I don't think that's

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ever actually happened. I don't think Reagan did anything like this.

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So I'm very happy about what Elon's doing. My point was,

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I'm sorry that none of those people were ever elected.

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power of these agents. He's not expanding them. The idea

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that he's in there because he's trying to steal your

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information to sell you a tesla is is ridiculous. You know,

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this because he needs to be richer. I'm sure that

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that's not going to happen because of this. So anyway,

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my point is that these people have no credibility to

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complain about not unelected officials governing our lives when they

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have the EPA controlling all carbon dioxide, right, Like you

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have no credibility to complain about this anyway.

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Speaker 2: Right, they are related issues. This elected versus unelected thing

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is insane, in particular because Donald Trump ran a campaign

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where he said that if you elected him, he was

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going to put Elon Musk in charge of the Department

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of Government Efficiency, which was the cutesy term they used

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to describe an audit of what the government was doing.

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He was very open, very honest, very transparent about that,

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and then people said, I like that, I'm going to

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vote for that. Okay, So this idea that like, we

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didn't know this was going to happen, that someone would

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care about how we're spending money, they were very clear

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about it. Secondly, Donald Trump has said repeatedly that Elon

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Musk will make the recommendations and it's Trump's decision what

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to do. So again, the guy who was elected has advisors.

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That's something we've known since the beginning of our constitutional republic.

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There's nothing at odds here. But also I loved what

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in that press in the Oval office with Trump, Elon

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and Little X, which is just one of those things

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where you go, we live in weird times to have

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Little X in the press briefing. Elon was talking about

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how this is returning government to the people. The administrative

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state is an attack on democratic governance, as you just referenced,

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and so returning government to the people is a good thing.

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saying that Trump was going to attack democracy, and wise

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people noticed if you just replaced the word democracy with bureaucracy,

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it actually made sense that they were freaking out. So

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obviously Trump wasn't an attack on democracy, but definitely an

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attack on the bureaucracy. The bureaucracy is the means by

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which the Left has gained and maintained power against the

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will of the people for one hundred years. And it

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was kind of funny. It's kind of funny to hear

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Elon Musk talk about this bureaucracy and how it goes

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against the will of the people. When you know, if

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you read the early Progressives, that was the whole point, right,

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Wilson talks about the need to put in a professional

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of the electorate, that will just be there permanently to

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make decisions apart from, you know, according to them, apart

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from politics, it will be experts. So rather than having

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people vote on whether to get involved in the Paris

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Climate Accords and have a treaty signed by the Senate,

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we'll just have the experts just put us in there,

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you know, or whether than having the people way in

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on whether they want to move to you know, certain regulation,

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and then we'll run absolutely wild, and we'll have a

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permanent bureaucracy that is judge, jury, and executioner of all

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the laws that they create without really any means to

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fight it. This entire regulatory structure. So it's the whole

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point of the administrative state that was intentionally built by

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Woodrow Wilson and his minions, that what we're dealing with

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is what they wanted to deal with. They were open

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in their hatred of the Constitution. They were open in

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saying that the Constitution was a failed document, that three

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co equal, or the three branches of government that provide

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checks and balances not co equal, that that was like

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an old idea that had to go, and that if

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we were going to succeed, we had to have this

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fourth branch of government that would really run everything. That

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was the administrative state. Kind Of weird how during the

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Biden administration, as he declines and as you know, Robert

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Hurr says he's so incompetent he couldn't stand trial, and

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no jury would say that he was like capable of

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standing trial. So we have a president who's who everyone knows,

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whether they admit it or not, is not there, and

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yet the government is still being run, right. It's that

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fourth branch of government that just kept things going. Congress

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wasn't doing anything, the president wasn't doing anything. Judiciary is

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usually still running pretty strong.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, well, the reason Democrats are you hit on

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something I think super important is the reason Democrats are

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freaking out about this is that even when they lost elections,

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so for a long time, there was this adherence to

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process because I believe both it was mutually assured destruction.

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would use them. But then Democrats started, I think, with

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Harry Reid and Barack Obama breaking them. They have spent

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two decades corroding separation of power, delegitimizing the Supreme Court, etc.

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always knew, even if they lost to Donald Trump, that

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all these agencies, that the giant bureaucracy still had their

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mission in mind, and that they would continue on. You know,

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I mean, you've written about it, You've writen books about it.

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The during the Trump years, the entire you know, the

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the bureaucracy basically nullified his presidency, you know what I mean,

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that even looking under the hood of what goes on

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there makes them look terrible.

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Speaker 2: I am surprised at how poorly they prepared for this situation, because,

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like we just said, Trump said he was going to

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put it doge together. He was tweeting about it, Elon

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Musk was posting about it. I mean, this was a

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very public Planecrats seemed to have been taken completely by surprise.

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Trump administration, as soon as they started implementing their agenda,

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you had the media had much more power at that

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time than they do now, so they were fomenting like

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all sorts of hysteria. They were running the Russia collusion hoax.

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for quite some time, both immediately after the election and

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then also once the executive order started being implemented on

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immigration and other issues, you know, it was a coordinated, thoughtful,

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maybe not thoughtful, it was a wild, coordinated, well funded process.

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And now they're trying to get people to riot or

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protest over federal funding, taxpayer funding of trans operas or whatever.

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Do they have any idea how unpopular that stuff is. Like,

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it's just or on behalf of federal employees. And as

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you and I both know having lived in the DC area,

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federal employees are the reason why the federal government is

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the reason why the Washington, DC area, which is not

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otherwise known as a naturally beautiful place, is one of

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the most expensive places to live in America. The average

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federal employee is so well compensated and also has basically

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a sinecure for life. And I do mean sinecure because

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a lot of federal employees are wonderful people who do

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great work, and a lot of them don't really do

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much work at all. Like when I covered the federal

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government for Federal Times, and I would interview people about

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how to handle or performing employees because I just like,

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take a step back. One of my articles I did

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I use I did using fed scope data, where I

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looked through the fedscope data, which is just this like

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data cube that shows hirings, firings, all sorts of things,

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and in twelve cabinet level agencies for the previous five

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years to when I wrote this story. I think in

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twelve cab level agencies with millions of employees, something like

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eight people had been fired in the previous five years.

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I'd worked at a nonprofit with like fifty employees that

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had more firings. Right, Yeah, it's impossible to fire a

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federal employee, so they don't necessarily do a lot of work,

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and there's nothing you can do about it because.

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Speaker 1: The retirement perks are better than anyone's going to get

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in private private sector, so.

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Speaker 2: No threat of ever being fired, no threat of ever

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being laid off, no punishment for poor performance. So what

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people would do if there was a poor performer, they

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would just promote them to a out of their agency,

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or promote them to a different place, or sometimes they

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would just pay them not to work. And it's just

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crazy that the Democrats are like, what if we went

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And I do get that federal employees are one of

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the most reliable blocks of Democrats voters. I get that.

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And there are a lot of them, and there are

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a lot of contractors, and all of their jobs are threatened,

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and so there's a lot of pressure on the Democrat

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Party to defend federal employees and contractors right now, for

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normal taxpayers who just voted people into office, the idea

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that we're going to bat for people to not do

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work is insane.

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Speaker 1: The normies that they lost in this past presidential election

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do not care about government workers. I looked at numerous

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polls of the most pressing issues for people. This is

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not even doesn't even register at all. It's crazy that

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they're out there chanting like lunatics for USAID. It's just nuts.

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Speaker 2: Well or and federal employees. Like I was thinking about this,

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how federal employees were a big reason why COVID hysteria

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happened and the government shut the government forced the closure

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of all these businesses, and when that happened, a lot

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of people lost their jobs. Okay, so the Feds, by

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the way, the FEDS funded Gain of function research, lied

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about it. Then as part of the cover up, came

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up with all sorts of insane things that led to

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closures of businesses and schools and people had their lives

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kind of destroyed over this. And the FEDS just said,

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we'll stay at home and not work for money.

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Speaker 1: Will you do that?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so while you're while we're destroying your lives, we're

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just going to take a little break here and not

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really work that hard or like maybe you work hard,

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but most of your team doesn't work hard or whatever.

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And now they're saying, we cannot tolerate this idea that

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we might be laid off. I'm sorry, I've been laid

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off a ton people and my family have been laid

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off a ton. Fired. This is not something that's usually

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about your performance. It might be that your company was

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run poorly, or any number of other things. It's a

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normal fact of life that a job is not a

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life time sinecure for poor performance. But in the federal

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government it is. You know, did you see that kind

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of infuriating.

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Speaker 1: Did you see I maybe it was a Politico story

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where they made it sound like these people were in

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a war zone. You know that it was the most

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horrible thing that could ever happen to You know, I've

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been one day. I walked into a job at a

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very big company and they're like, yeah, your job's done,

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and I had to pack my bags on a security

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guard escorted me. I had nothing to do with my

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performance or anything. This is life. We all, No one

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has that kind of guarantee other than federal workers. I

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just want to mention you said something important. There are

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three million federal workers right or somewhere around there. But

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there are another There are millions more contractors. There are

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millions you know, there are lawyers, There are lobbyists there,

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you know, like the entire in DC when I lived

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there during the recession, you know, the Great Recession, cranes

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were still up all over the place. Like DC never suffers,

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you know, because the government money keeps pouring in and

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you know, that's that has to end.

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Speaker 2: So we've got employees which are millions, we've got contractors.

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And what we learned through doge I think, or what

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became clear to a lot of people, you also have

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a massive non governmental organization architecture that is fully funded

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with taxpayer dollars. And so these people, these three sets

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of people are basically the Democrat Party at work, the

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Democrat Party voters. And so when you kind of when

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all these crazy things are happening, you're like, how is

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this happening? Doesn't feel like America. You basically have like

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a sector of the economy that is not government funded,

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and then the government funded people who are all the

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most reliable Democrat voters. And so when USAID revealed that

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a lot of people were getting paid basically to be

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Democrat Party functionaries by Republican taxpayers or just non you know,

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just taxpayers period, it was kind of appalling to people.

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Speaker 1: You know what argument drives me up a wall when

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I hear it. Don't say a Democrat will say that's

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only three hundred and fifty million dollar program, it's nothing.

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You know, it's only three hundred fift You're not going

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to cut the deficit that way, you're not. I don't care.

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Three hundred and fifty million dollars is a ton of money.

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And when they say stuff like that, they sound ridiculous

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to a normal person who struggles, you know, to pay

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their bills. It is, it is so tone deaf and

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incredibly tone deaf. It's hard for me to believe that

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no one's telling them stop making that argument, you know.

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I see democrats do it all the time.

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Speaker 2: In a really weird way. The lower the dollar amount,

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the more people associated with real money.

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Speaker 1: No, you're right. I was thinking it's so abstract. Three

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entred and fifty million to me, it might as well

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be three hundred and fifty billion. There is no difference

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in my mind between those two numbers, do you know

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what I mean? In resate?

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Speaker 2: But when people say, for one hundred and twenty five

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thousand dollars, you got a trans opera in Peru or whatever,

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and you're like, oh, my goodness, if I had one

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hundred and twenty five thousand dollars, it would be life changing,

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you know, life changing.

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Speaker 1: So that's one part of it. We wanted to talk

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about the judicial, the judge part of it. Obviously, Dems

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NGOs are doing some shopping for parties and judges that

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allowed them to put injunctions against certain things that are

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and there. I just want to preface it by saying,

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I think almost all that I've seen other than the

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birthright one are ridiculous because there's no they are exceeding

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what their power is, you know, the judicial branches power is.

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And my hope is that a higher court who takes

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the Constitution seriously will immediately smack it down very you know,

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in a way that maybe it won't allow it to

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happen again, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, you were talking about how you didn't like that

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jd Vance said that Trump was going to ignore court orders,

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and I just want to say, he didn't say that.

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Speaker 1: He didn't say that.

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Speaker 2: Said was absolutely correct that like a rogue district court

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judge does not have more authority than the democratically elected president.

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Speaker 1: He did not. You're right, he did not say it.

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It felt like almost like he was intimating that it

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should be ignored. I'm not saying he did. I'm saying

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a lot of people who are fans of the president

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are saying online and I'm not talking about just random people,

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but people who are writers. We need to start ignoring

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these judges. I think that's a mistake at this point,

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because you're setting precedents. Don't by the way, I'm sure,

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actually not even setting precedents. Democrats have ignored the courts

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for years. But it's important, I think, at least to

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try to keep this process going. Okay, save the process.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I agree, But it's also true that it would

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be wrong to let a rogue, crazy judge destroy the

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country because the process demands it. Okay, so there's so

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many issues in play here. First off, would be the

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nationwide injunction issue, and you've had justices on the Supreme

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Court express concern with the rise in nationwide injunctions that

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we really saw begin to just get out of control

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during the first Trump administration. So Trump would make some

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kind of policy decision or executive order, and a judge

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in Alaska or whatever would say, nationwide, I'm shutting it down,

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and then it would work its way through the courts

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and get to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court gets

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to decide what cases it hears right, so frequently they

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decide based on things like whether there's a split decision one.

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So the federal judiciary has the Supreme Court according to

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the Constitution, and whatever inferior courts that Congress sets up.

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So we have circuit courts where you have you know,

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like a dozen or so circuits across the United States,

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divided by region they cover different states, and then you

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have district courts that are even further down from there,

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and the circuit courts are the appeals courts for the

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district courts. The Supreme Court gets to decide what cases

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it takes. So if one circuit says, we think this

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is constitutional, and another one says it's not or whatever

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we think it's legal, this one's not. The Supreme Court

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might take that case to resolve that dispute, and the

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circuit and district courts really just have overview of their

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geographic area, according you know how Congress is set up.

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So when they're saying, not only are we going to

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not only are we going to say what the law

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is here in this area, but we're going to say

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what it is nationwide, that is a problem. You've had

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justices expressed that it's a problem that this is an

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inappropriate thing that these federal judges are doing, some of

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which are just like lowly district court judges, and some

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justices like Clarence Thomas in particular, have said, we need

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to deal with this and we need to kind of

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give some direction on it. And I think that's going

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to be the big legacy of this recent activity from

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all of these federal judges who are Democrats trying to

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shut down Donald Trump, is they're going to be shut

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down on whether they can do nationwide injunctions. And I

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say that because you have to imagine a majority of

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the Court is really not liking this. Now, it is

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true that you've got conservative judges doing this sometimes too.

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It's not just liberals. It's mostly liberals, but occasionally it's

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a conservative being like, no, you can't trans kids, and

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I'm going to say that nationwide or whatever it is.

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But a lot of people don't like Chief Justice John

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Roberts for being something of his squish right. But he's

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not a squish on things he cares about. You know,

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he's not a squish on affirmative action, for instance. He's

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been pretty bold on stuff like that. And if you

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go back and listen to what he said during his

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nomination hearings or his confirmation hearings to be on the

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Circuit Court, the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, and then

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the Supreme Court, he speaks pretty clearly about how judges

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should not be. They should be very restrained in what

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they do. And so the best case construction on his

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incoherent Obama Care decision, for instance, would be, this might

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be a bad law, but Congress passed it. We should

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figure out a way to make it work. And you

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have to imagine he has that same idea about the

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executive branch too, and that he will also want to

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He also has to understand, sorry, this is a very

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long way of getting back to what you were saying.

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Jd Vance might have been saying or didn't say. He's

549
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got to understand that if the district courts continue to

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run wild and do Democrat party bidding here, it threatens

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the entire judiciary and it's basically our only branch of

552
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government that works right now. Yeah, So we started this

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whole thing by talking about what the constitutional crisis, and

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I think there's a way to look at this where

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we are in a constitutional crisis, and a way to

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look at it where we're not in a constitutional crisis.

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So what you just said about the way Trump admin

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should respond to some of these injunctions and how that's

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what they're doing kind of shows that we're not in

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a constitutional crisis. It's not really the end of the world.

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The President Trump is enacting policy, you have some rogue

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judges who are trying to stop that, and you have

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means of getting around it, and then you'll ultimately have

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the Supreme Court probably smacking down the whole practice of

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nationwide injunctions or providing guidance on when it can be implemented.

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And they're the Supreme Court. So that's how it is

567
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The argument that it is a constitutional crisis, though, does

568
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get to these judges are going way beyond their authority

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and trying to prevent the constitutional republic from existing. Basically,

570
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that is a problem. I mean, it's not a minor thing.

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And the way that they're doing it is really brazen

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and lawless, and so we shouldn't understate the problems caused

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by some of these judges, and they should base I mean,

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they should be worried that they're destroying the country because

575
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that's kind of what they're trying to do. So we

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shouldn't underplay it, even while we still have means of

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working through the normal system to stop them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just have one other short rant on this

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problem with the idea that we're suddenly in a constitutional crisis.

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When Joe Biden tried to tweet an amendment into the

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Constitution and a bunch of left wing organizations said that's

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exciting and fun and real, that was a bigger constitutional

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crisis to me. Obama ignoring the courts on Obama Care,

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Obama ignoring the courts on immigration, Obama unilaterally making millions

585
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of people's citizens magically, like these are real constitutional crises,

586
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is a crisis and no one called it then that

587
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they celebrated this stuff. So the very idea that challenging

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that Jade Evans tweeting something accurate I agree about courts

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is a constitutional crisis is insane, which leads me to this,

590
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The media is back at it again. They have not

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changed at all. They don't have the same power, but

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they have not changed at all.

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Speaker 2: Right, I agree. I was thinking back on the constitutional

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crisis thing. To me, when people freaked out about criticizing

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like a particularly stupid federal judge as being a constitutional crisis,

596
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it reminds me of like, we understand Congress has power, right,

597
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it's in the Constitution Article one. They're you know, i'd say,

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arguably the most important branch of our government. That does

599
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not mean that every subcommittee that does something stupid in

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Congress has the same authority as the full Congress, right,

601
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you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And so to say,

602
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like if you were to criticize again a rogue subcommittee

603
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that's saying something stupid or subpoenaing somebody is Oh, if

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you critique that, then you're attacking Article one of the Constitution.

605
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It's actually not true.

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Speaker 1: And these people who are destroying the lives of toime

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of justices. They don't like numerous justices. They're they're they

608
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are fine, They're not they're not corroding, they're not undermining

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the constitution. I mean, it's such a joke.

610
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Speaker 2: Right, So Humor this week put up a whistleblower tip

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line for people to report dose people being mean to

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them or something, and you could, you could file a report.

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And so I whistled, blew. I blew the whistle on

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Chuck Schumer, who has threatened violence against Justice Kavanaugh Gorsich

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if he if they didn't rule the way he wanted

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them to on an abortion decision.

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Speaker 1: And they're well done.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mentioned also that people had taken them up

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on that.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, you know this was this is media, yeah, media. Yeah.

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So we spoke about this briefly because it broke when

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we were recording last week. But and I think I

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got the numbers wrong or whatever it is. But Politico

624
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,239
has this product called Political Politico Pro, which is basically

625
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aimed at government workers. Right. The the subscription is some

626
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insane amount. What was it?

627
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Speaker 2: Well done? I have to stop you already. It's not

628
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aimed at government workers. It's aimed at like the government

629
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industrial complex, so probably most of the people who purchase

630
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that subscription would be lobbyists to stand to gain lobbyists

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for corporations that stand to gain from the government industrial complex.

632
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But they also sell to government agencies and congressional offices,

633
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and then they also provide like secret knowledge, secret journalism

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that only you get if you pay. They're not totally

635
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public about how much it costs, I think in part

636
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because they're charging different people different amounts for the same product.

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But it sounds like the Political pro subscription is ten

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thousand dollars a year to fifteen thousand dollars a year,

639
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not per person. You can get up to three people

640
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on that, so you can have three screens or three

641
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screens I think is the way to do it, or

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three users I can't remember for the ten to fifteen

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thousand dollars, so it's not necessarily per person, but it's

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no more than three people.

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Speaker 1: But it's which a normal person, here's ten thousand dollars

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per subscription, and they are probably like, that's insane, I

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really wanting, But go on, I wondered if there wasn't

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a value in that too, you know, for these people

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for real, and some of my Twitter followers sent me

650
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little snippets from it and all that. And let's just say,

651
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I don't think it's worth that much money or anywhere

652
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near that much money. But the thing is this, taxpayers

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buy these or paid for these subscriptions. I forgot what

654
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the number is. Was it eight million or was it more?

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Speaker 2: I forgot what the last year I think was eight million,

656
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and it really ramped up under the Biden administration, I think,

657
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but I think it's thirty two million total or thirty

658
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five million total in subscriptions. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So numerous writers, even on the writer are like, this

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is not you know, you're you know, this is just

661
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a product that government buys. It's not a subsidy in

662
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this and that. Listen, it's a subsidy. Now, if you

663
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want to say we can't ban or government workers need

664
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this and taxpayers should pay for it, okay, politicals should

665
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let us know how much of its budget comes from

666
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government and taxpayers, and we should have easy access to

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understanding what because I believe that it does. There's no

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way you're getting eight mil from government agencies and then

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reporting on them fairly or you know, or not skewing

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your coverage. That's just my opinion and I should know

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about that well.

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Speaker 2: And again it's not just the So let's say the

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topic is the administrative state, and one hundred percent of

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your subscriptions come from people who benefit from the administrative state.

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It doesn't matter that only eight million dollars a year

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is come only quote unquote eight million dollars a year

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is coming from taxpayer funds. It's really all coming from

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taxpayer funds because they're all feeding at the trough of

679
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the government industrial complex. So whether they're NGOs or lobbyists,

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or federal employees or state employees or congressional offices, the

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congression offices is one thing. Although I do want to

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say I talk to people who purchased it for congressional

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offices and they said, the primary value of a fifteen

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thousand dollars politico pro subscription is that if you're working

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on a piece of legislation affiliated with a certain topic

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and you don't know which person in the office down

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the hall works on that topic, Politico pro will tell

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you who the person is. Alternatively, you could get up

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and walk down three doors and be like, hey, who

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does ag in this office? But for fifteen thousand dollars

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a year. You can just get that information without having

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to pick up the phone or walk down the hall.

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So I was mocking people for that, but I loved

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when people are like, no, no, no, no, no, it's

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or even political. They said, not a single dollar of

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government money comes into Politico. It's a transaction. It's like, well,

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first of all, transaction is a way to get money.

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So they were like, not a single bloody red scent

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comes from and the taxpayer to us, except for the

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thirty five million that we've gotten through subscriptions and calling

701
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it a subscription, Like you have an obscenely priced product

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and people pay for that and you don't think there's

703
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any reason to be concerned about it, Like it's the

704
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Hunter Biden artwork thing. Well, no, no, no, this stuff

705
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is absolutely worth five million dollars a pop and there's

706
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nothing untoward about it. Okay, maybe probably not.

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Speaker 1: Also it is it is completely fair to ask for

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transparency on these things. Oh yea, that's what I would say.

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So the government buying something distorts the price. The only

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if a government worker wants a ten thousand dollars subscription,

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he would never pay for it himself. He gets the

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government to pay for it because the government has endless

713
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money for them and distorts think the price completely. So

714
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I don't know what you do. There are other publications

715
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,119
I mean I remember like CQ Congressional Quarterly right or

716
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,639
things like that are aimed at government workers and offices

717
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:11,719
and lobbyists and things like that, but you knew exactly

718
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,519
where their money was coming from. How much of you know,

719
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,079
does political exist without this kind of subsidy from subscriptions

720
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:20,079
from government? I don't know.

721
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 2: And also just the bottom line is you take something

722
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,159
like they were the ones who published the story, so

723
00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:28,920
they used to employ someone. They chose to employ someone

724
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,679
who they knew was spreading disinformation about Russia.

725
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Speaker 1: Clusion.

726
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Speaker 2: Her name is Natasha bertrand she was well known as

727
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,119
an agent to spread falsehood about the Russia collusion hoax.

728
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:43,079
And they said, we want her, We want to give

729
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:47,840
her money to do her bad stuff on our platform.

730
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:50,639
And she did, you know, she famously before. I think

731
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:54,320
she's now at CNN because they were like, we like

732
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,360
what she does. She spreads lies and we love people

733
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,360
who spread lies for political.

734
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Speaker 1: She's though, hasn't she work for like the Atlantic? And

735
00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:04,920
she's been all over right.

736
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Speaker 2: I mean really she works for the CIA, right, or

737
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:12,159
some other federal agency, Like, really, these people work for them.

738
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,360
But she was the one who wrote for Politico and

739
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,960
gave and Politico gave their credibility to this. She wrote

740
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:25,079
the article fifty spooks say the Hunter Biden laptop is

741
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:31,519
Russian disinformation. Okay, so that's Politico. They have been engaged

742
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:35,840
in any number of conspiracy theories, the Brett Kavanaugh one,

743
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,519
the COVID hoaxes, the Russia collusion stuff, like all of

744
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:46,320
it was spread by Politico. They spread disinformation on behalf

745
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,400
of the bureaucracy because all of those things were really

746
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,199
about protecting the bureaucracy.

747
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Speaker 1: And so.

748
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Speaker 2: The idea that you would have an obscenely priced subscription

749
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:04,360
model and then you're involved in election medaling, which Natasha

750
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,360
bertrand that was election medaling. That was a billion times

751
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,920
worse than the worst thing that anyone said Russia did

752
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,000
in the twenty sixteen election, a billion times worse. And

753
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:18,559
so they're doing election medaling and they're getting taxpayer funding

754
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:22,519
to do it because they call it a subscription. No,

755
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:25,840
I'm sorry, I don't know how do you deal with this?

756
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: So there's CQ or there's another publication and they rely

757
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:34,880
on government workers because that's their product. Right transparency, do

758
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,199
we say government has to let us know when they're

759
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:40,760
buying these subscriptions? Do or should government not have any

760
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,840
subscriptions that are paid for by taxpayers.

761
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Speaker 2: So people were saying when I was complaining about it,

762
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they're like, oh, you'd think federal employees shouldn't get the news.

763
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:53,000
They don't have a right to news. And I'm like,

764
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:56,760
you know what if you say to people taxpayers, hey,

765
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,280
we know that your hard earned dollars are going to

766
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:04,800
fund this federal government, and we really think that our

767
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:10,960
federal employees need news subscriptions to do their job, well,

768
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:13,280
I think a lot of people are like, okay, okay, sure,

769
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:16,440
and then they go and by the way, it's fifteen

770
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:20,079
thousand dollars a year per person, and they go, wait, nope,

771
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,440
that sounds wrong, you know. So I think transparency is

772
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,360
the key. Decreasing the size and scope of government is key.

773
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And mostly though, like all these people being like the

774
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free press had a thing out and they were like

775
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,920
there was a conspiracy theory going around that Politico was

776
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,679
receiving millions of dollars from the government and it's not

777
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:46,119
true they were getting millions of dollars from the government

778
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,760
for good reasons. It's like, you guys are really bad

779
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,000
at debunking conspiracy theories. And it's not wrong for people

780
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,079
to be upset about Politico, which is a bad place

781
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,960
that spreads bad information on behalf of Democrats. It's not

782
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:03,880
it's not weird for people to be like, I don't

783
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,000
think we should be giving them millions of dollars of

784
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:09,079
my money to destroy the country.

785
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Speaker 1: I mean, don't you feel like some salesperson from Politico

786
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,760
goes to an agency, an agency person who's in charge

787
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,000
of subscriptions, say some comms person, and says, would you

788
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:27,760
guys buy five subscriptions for me? There's a implicit deal there, right,

789
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,239
that you're making because the cost of it is enormous,

790
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,239
and you're you're making a deal with these but it's

791
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,280
not a real sale because the government person's not weighing whether,

792
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,599
you know, it's worth the money. They're just trying to

793
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:43,920
buy favor with the you know, with with the with

794
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,239
the magazine, you know, with the publication. So I think

795
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,760
it's a problem. I don't know how to deal with it,

796
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:49,800
But yeah.

797
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't now. I don't want to

798
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,599
defend them. I think that it's more just a symptom

799
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:58,760
of how corrupt our federal agencies are. Like I live

800
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in the Washington, DC area, right, and we bought our

801
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,880
first home several years ago. It's a very modest home.

802
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:11,760
My mother in law routinely makes fun of us for

803
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,639
the quality of our kitchen given the price we paid. Okay,

804
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:20,519
and it's fair. My house is smaller than the house

805
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,920
my mom grew up in Denver, but very similar and

806
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:27,000
very similar era when it was built, and the price

807
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:29,679
we paid was obscene and ridiculous. And it's because, like

808
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,440
the whole system is messed up here. Everything costs more

809
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:39,079
than it should because ultimately it's taxpayer funding that goes

810
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:43,519
to subsidize the whole thing. So I think it's it's

811
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:45,880
kind of just more simple. It's like, well, of course

812
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,039
we're not going to write negative things about the industry

813
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:55,000
that enables us all to live in big houses. I

814
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:57,119
don't know how to quite explain it. I don't think.

815
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:58,960
I think it's more like, well, of course we're going

816
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,920
to protect the the bureaucracy. We wouldn't exist without it.

817
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Speaker 1: I think we spoke about this last week. I mean,

818
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,599
it's a company town, and the company's the federal government,

819
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and everyone's everyone, frankly down to the plumber, you know,

820
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,920
relies on the federal government because it's all you know,

821
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:19,880
money rains down on the on the lobbyist, and then

822
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,400
it rains down on everyone higher. So it is impossible

823
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,559
to live in that area without bleeding yourself. Bleeding yourself.

824
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:29,440
Just get a house if you're a normal person. I don't.

825
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:32,360
I sometimes would wonder how any normal person could live

826
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,400
in the DC area. I moved away from there. It's

827
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,760
immensely expensive. So yeah, I get it.

828
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Speaker 2: Two federal employees in this area, they're, first of all,

829
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:45,480
they're set for retirement, just like by virtue of their

830
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first day at work. And it's a really nice income level,

831
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,480
you know, like a nice six figure income level for

832
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:57,920
the vast majority of federal employees when you include like that,

833
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,000
probably i'd say for all of them, when you include

834
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:04,280
the benefits and all that. So it is hard to

835
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,239
compete against it if you're not part of the grift. Okay,

836
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:08,800
we should move.

837
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about something else. So I wanted to

838
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:16,280
hit one on something really quick. Donald Trump the other

839
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day had a press conference. I think it was a

840
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wide ranging press I'm not sure which one was, whatever

841
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,119
it was, but he was asked about the hostages that

842
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:26,880
have been released by Halmas who are been tortured, starved,

843
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,239
you know, nearly to death, and horrible things have happened

844
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to them. And he gave a statement on how these

845
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people look like they had come out of concentration camps.

846
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It was a very clear eyed and moral and how

847
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,159
a normal person would react to seeing that sort of thing,

848
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something that we did not see for four years of

849
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the Biden administration, with their moral equivalencies and so on.

850
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And then he gave an ultimatum that the hostages should

851
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be released, all of them by noon on Saturday, or

852
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,480
all hell was in a break loose, which what we

853
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,320
should have been saying from the beginning. There are Americans still,

854
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,960
I think six American citizens.

855
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Speaker 2: There so much to go over there. I do like

856
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the idea that if you're an American, that other countries

857
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should worry about doing anything against you, And it does

858
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:19,639
seem like it's just one of the one of the

859
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:22,199
main perks of being the United States of America right

860
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,480
now and having our relative power and with all that

861
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:27,880
we do for other countries, other countries should be kind

862
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,079
of worried about how they treat Americans. And there's something

863
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to be said for our government not tolerating or treatment

864
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of Americans abroad, and we just definitely lost that for

865
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,239
a while. Mark Vogel, the guy who was brought back

866
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and who President Trump stood out in the snow to

867
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greet and let him stay in the Lincoln bedroom last night.

868
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,239
He had been held in and we say hostages, but

869
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,800
a lot of these are prisoners. Yeah, he'd been held

870
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prisoner in Russia since like before Britney Griner, who we

871
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:05,800
traded arms dealers for, and yeah, it's just nice to

872
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,039
have someone who cares about it.

873
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Speaker 1: He was he had a small amount of medical cannabis

874
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or something like that. At least that's what I read.

875
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Speaker 2: I On that note, people don't be stupid. This is

876
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,440
like the flip side of American strength, is that everyone

877
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,119
thinks they can do anything they want in any other country,

878
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include bring drugs in there. We had movies in the

879
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nineteen eighties to teach us not to bring drugs into

880
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,519
other countries. And what would happened to you?

881
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Speaker 1: What was that the Turkish prison when I heard what

882
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it was called. Yeah, definitely, you know, I mean a

883
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lot of the hostages in Iran, that's a different story

884
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:40,159
because they have family there, they're going back and then

885
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:43,840
they're you know, they're they're arrested. But the Russian thing

886
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,079
with bringing drugs into that country, it's a really stupid

887
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thing to do.

888
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Speaker 2: So on the hostage deal, that hostage deal with Israel

889
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and Hamas, that was implemented prior to Trump taking office,

890
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and some people were upset because they were like, it's

891
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,440
too generous to Hamas, And I thought it showed good faith,

892
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:05,320
you know, let's get these guys out of here. And

893
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one of the things that was so horrible about the

894
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most recent batch of hostages let out is that you realized,

895
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you know, like what you just said, Trump was acknowledging

896
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:19,760
they looked like they'd been taken very poor care of, very.

897
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Speaker 1: Bad I think Trump mentioned this, Yeah, I'm sorry, And

898
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if you look.

899
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Speaker 2: At like the first hostages to be released to that level,

900
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I think people got worried that they're doing it in

901
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,039
order of how healthy they are and that it was

902
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:34,159
going to get even worse, or that maybe some of

903
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:38,360
the you know, so claimed hostages are actually dead, and

904
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,119
so just having moral clarity on this is not an

905
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:43,519
okay way to you know, these it's wrong that you

906
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:45,800
have these hostages. It's wrong. The way you're treating them

907
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,079
is important. I do worry about what is being done

908
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:52,519
in it, who's expense to resolve the situation. And also

909
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,360
my husband's in Israel right now, so and we'll be

910
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,199
there after noon on Saturday. So I just hope whatever

911
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,400
happens going to be fine anyway harm him from coming

912
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:03,039
home softly.

913
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Speaker 1: Trump mentioned it, and he's one hundred percent right that

914
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they do, and you just mentioned it. They release hostages,

915
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,400
you know, by health, and it's well known that they

916
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:15,639
try to feed hostages when they know they're going to

917
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:17,159
have to give them back to bring them back to

918
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:19,599
some kind of health. And you saw how the man

919
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:22,760
the other day looked like and the women as well,

920
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:26,239
so obviously they were worse off before and then they

921
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delayed giving how much delayed the return of hostages, probably

922
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,800
because they're trying to feed them because the world sees

923
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what's happening. Many of them are probably dead. And you know,

924
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,400
I think it's right for Israel to enter this deal

925
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,599
that was probably agreed upon because of Trump, even if

926
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he didn't make the deal. They knew Trump was coming

927
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:45,519
and that Israel would be let off the leash probably

928
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:48,079
if they didn't make a deal, and that I think

929
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:49,599
you save as many as you can and you have

930
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:51,119
to go back in, and I think that's what's going

931
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to happen. We'll see.

932
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Speaker 2: Oh, that was the one final thing I was going

933
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,639
to say. I saw these people saying, oh, Trump and

934
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Israel they're no longer upholding their end of the deal.

935
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,119
It was Hamas who stopped releasing hostages according to the

936
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plan of the deal.

937
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Speaker 1: Also, it's not a deal. This is blackmail, That's what

938
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,239
it is. I mean, I get it there Israel signed

939
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,360
on to a ceasefire agreement, but in the end it

940
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,639
is just you took civilians and now you're blackmailing people

941
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:21,960
care about civilians anyway, Speaking.

942
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Speaker 2: Of moral authority, I do want to have a couple,

943
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,159
just a couple of things here really quickly. The Pope,

944
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:32,840
Pope Francis yesterday went to town on Trump and Vance for

945
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:38,199
having a border policy. And did you see what he

946
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,159
said about this at all?

947
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? I saw this. Try not to get into the

948
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,679
theological debates, but yeah, I saw what the Pope said

949
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about I forget what the phrasing is. Where you're that

950
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,760
Catholic idea where you help your family, you know, it's

951
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,400
kind of an outward spiraling of help. Yeah, and he

952
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,079
said that Vance was wrong about that, or in midless

953
00:53:57,159 --> 00:53:58,960
misled people about it in some way.

954
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd highly recommend. John Davidson has a piece for

955
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:07,719
us at The Federalist on how what Pope Francis said

956
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,320
is at odds with much of the teaching of the

957
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,199
church and the current catechism of the Roman Catholic Church.

958
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,079
But it was just kind of sad to see. I

959
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:21,519
don't I wish these people would think through It is

960
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:27,039
important for religious leaders to speak the truth and speak

961
00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:31,000
morally about issues that confront people. And that includes the

962
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:34,760
importance of how we treat the stranger, as usually say

963
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:39,719
the stranger, the foreigner, the immigrant, legal or otherwise. Like

964
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,440
all of these things. Christianity teaches a lot about what

965
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,719
you're supposed to do and how you're supposed to behave

966
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,599
in this context. And when you say something that is

967
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,880
incorrect about what your church teaches in that context, or

968
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,199
you overly politicize or response, it means that people will

969
00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:02,760
tune out everything you have to say. Like when Bishop

970
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:09,119
Booty Buddy, this woman who is is the bishop of

971
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:13,079
the Episcopal Church or something in the Washington, DC area.

972
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,519
Traditionally the National Cathedral hosts a prayer service to pray

973
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:22,800
for newly elected people or the newly elected president, and

974
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:28,079
she took that time to share her political views, and

975
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:36,400
her political views were very particular, you know, to her

976
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,679
Democrat party beliefs. But I don't necessarily have a problem

977
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:43,760
with someone trying to speak, you know, I don't have

978
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,360
a problem with someone expressing what Christianity has to say

979
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,159
about the issues of the day. They should just also

980
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,440
do it in a way that they should be kind

981
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,679
of prudential about it, and they should also be correct.

982
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,239
It's important to be correct about what you're saying, and

983
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:02,679
if you get overly political, it can be I don't

984
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:05,599
know if I'm quite saying. I just worry about the

985
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,760
effect on the church. And I'm not Roman Catholic, but

986
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:10,480
it's worse for the Church than it is for you know,

987
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,559
a bunch of Americans saying, oh, the Pope says, we

988
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:14,880
can't care about our own people, which is kind of

989
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,440
the effect of what he was saying it's just going

990
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:18,000
to make them tune him out completely.

991
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,559
Speaker 1: You don't have to tell me about this being Jewish.

992
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:21,760
They're the distortion.

993
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:22,199
Speaker 3: You know.

994
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: One of the big no nos in Judaism is misleading

995
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,880
people about Judaism and what it's about. And literally there

996
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,679
are dozens of major Jewish organizations that have taken you know,

997
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,000
that are fronts essentially for communist ideas that pretend to

998
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,360
be Jewish. It's terrible. It's terrible, and seeing other religions

999
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,239
have to deal with it, I'm sorry for them. I mean,

1000
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,199
I think it's terrible, but I don't want to get

1001
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,159
into theological stuff. I don't know if the Pope's right

1002
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,119
or not. All I know is that if you want

1003
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:52,199
to take care and treat people humanely and continue to

1004
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:54,679
alight a million people into this country that we every

1005
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,519
year legally that we treat humanly, you have to uphold

1006
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:01,159
what made this country great and gave us the ability

1007
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:03,480
to do that. If you just allow lawlessness to happen,

1008
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,639
you're going to turn every American against legal immigration as well.

1009
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:07,960
I already see that happening.

1010
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: Even as a Lutheranic care what the Pope has to say,

1011
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:13,480
because it has such an effect on everyone else. But

1012
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:16,400
it also is just wrong to tell people that everyone

1013
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,599
in the world has a right to be in the

1014
00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:21,360
United States of America, like the idea that we're the

1015
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,480
only country that can bring in refugees and that every

1016
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:27,800
are immigrants or illegal immigrants or whatever, and that everyone

1017
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,840
has a right to be here. It's just not it's

1018
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:31,519
not true.

1019
00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:34,519
Speaker 1: And this actually goes back to Gaza. For instance, the

1020
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:38,079
Europe led in a million Syrian refugees after a civil

1021
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:40,679
war there, and you know, it was a moral imperative

1022
00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:43,000
for them to do it. Everyone said, it's great, look

1023
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,800
what it's done now in Europe. But yet Islamic countries,

1024
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,280
why don't they take gaz and refugees. Why don't others

1025
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,320
take refugees as well? Why does it have to be

1026
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,760
the United States and Europe constantly taking refugees from and

1027
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,679
not people who share cultural values and the culture of

1028
00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:01,400
people who are trying to escape tyranny or poverty or

1029
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:02,119
whatever it is.

1030
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:06,199
Speaker 2: I want to touch on another religious related thing, which

1031
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:11,119
is there's this school in Wheaton, Illinois. I think it's Wheaton,

1032
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,159
maybe it's not. It's like outside of Chicago. It's called

1033
00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:20,480
Wheaton College. Right near Naperville, I know. And it used

1034
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:22,559
to have a really good reputation. It used to even

1035
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:24,960
be called like the Evangelical Harvard or whatever it had.

1036
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:28,760
It was tough to get into and it had rigorous academics,

1037
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,519
and it's really declined in recent years. But they have,

1038
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,519
like so many evangelical Christians, just they're desperate to be

1039
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:42,119
loved by the world. And they used to be kind

1040
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:45,159
of conservative. It's where Billy Graham went. I think it's

1041
00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:46,800
where he met his wife. They have a C. S.

1042
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,840
Lewis Library and a lot of a lot of evangelic,

1043
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,159
smart evangelicals have come through there. But one of their

1044
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:57,800
grads is the Sky Russ Vote, who was confirmed to

1045
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,760
be head of OMB the Office Management and Budget, and

1046
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,719
he went through a very tough Senate confirmation and was confirmed.

1047
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:09,559
So they put out on their social media congratulations to

1048
00:59:09,679 --> 00:59:12,960
him and also encouragement to pray for him in his

1049
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:17,199
position of leadership in the Trump administration. And Wheaton has

1050
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:21,239
all of these crazy left wing graduates who said, how

1051
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,119
dare you ask us to pray for russ Vote? That

1052
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,119
is wrong. You know, at Wheaton we learned to hate

1053
00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:30,679
people like Russ Vote, and so we will not pray

1054
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:33,840
for him. And just for your knowledge, in Christianity, you

1055
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:36,360
are to pray for everyone in leadership. It's not about

1056
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,880
whether you agree with them politically or not. But these

1057
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,719
left wing graduates were having none of it. And so

1058
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,960
then Wheaton College took down the request for prayer for

1059
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:51,199
russ vote and said that they didn't wish to be political. Now,

1060
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,039
first off, they brought in that like David French, left

1061
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:58,920
wing evangelical group before the election last year. One of

1062
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,440
I know someone who's a stud student at Wheaton, And

1063
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:07,639
apparently professors were giving people the day off after the

1064
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:10,480
election this year so that they could properly grieve that

1065
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:16,840
Kamala Harris hadn't been elected. They're political, right, they just

1066
01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:20,760
and also taking down a call to prayer for someone

1067
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:25,320
who's in alum who's in government is an inherently political act, right,

1068
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,320
So they now have a bunch of people pushing back,

1069
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,159
and you know, I've been I tweeted about it publicly.

1070
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:34,840
So I've been hearing from a lot of people affiliated

1071
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,599
with the school about how livid they are at the

1072
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:42,119
left wing, just the left wing takeover of the school

1073
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,960
and how hostile it is. We published a piece at

1074
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,639
The Federalist about some recent graduates who had trouble starting

1075
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:51,320
a pro life group there or having a pro life

1076
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:56,239
group there. So Wheaton College. One of the things that

1077
01:00:56,239 --> 01:00:59,039
I've noticed about evangelicals is they're always like ten years

1078
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:04,559
behind the the cultural zeitgeist. And I think they're in

1079
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,440
the like they're in twenty fourteen. The way that they're

1080
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,880
thinking right now that you need to be like really

1081
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,639
worried about what the left wing says and who cares

1082
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:19,800
what that does to your non left wing students and alumni.

1083
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,519
Speaker 1: Well I don't. Again I'm not a Christian, but I

1084
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:26,440
don't think you have to go back to twenty fourteen.

1085
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,199
Maybe go back to fourteen. And I'm pretty sure Christians

1086
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:32,159
are supposed to pray even for centers, right, I mean,

1087
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:37,119
even if you thought he was a terrible person, you'd

1088
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:38,760
pray for him. But anyway, I mean, you see this

1089
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,480
kind of corrosion going on, Like think about like all

1090
01:01:41,519 --> 01:01:45,199
these Catholic universities, Georgetown, PC, whatever, I mean, they're filled

1091
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:49,199
with all kinds of you know, anti anti Catholic or

1092
01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:52,800
it's anti Christian kind of voices and anti Semites and

1093
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,719
all kinds of terrible people. So maybe that's where we're

1094
01:01:55,719 --> 01:01:58,119
all headed. Maybe we need new universities.

1095
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,079
Speaker 2: Maybe this is why Hillsdale College is doing such a

1096
01:02:03,079 --> 01:02:05,679
great job. Oh, they totally trolled Wheaton too, because a

1097
01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:08,719
lot of people would apply to both schools and Hillsdale,

1098
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:13,199
which is very difficult to get into these days. They

1099
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:16,880
after Wheaton was imploding, they put out on their social

1100
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,159
media that they were not going to rescind their congratulations

1101
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,000
to Russ vote for his confirmation.

1102
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:25,519
Speaker 1: Do is it hard to get into because just so

1103
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:28,559
many there's people clamoring to get in, or the or

1104
01:02:28,639 --> 01:02:29,599
why is it hard to get in?

1105
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 2: I mean it's a small school first off, but their

1106
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,719
acceptance rate with their published acceptance rate is like twenty percent.

1107
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: Okay, it feels like we need more Hillsdale's right, I

1108
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,599
don't know, because they should open another branch somewhere.

1109
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:48,239
Speaker 2: Did you think, well, just as easy as just starting

1110
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:50,360
a branch. I think that there's a certain culture that

1111
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,119
develops over a long period of time, and the administration

1112
01:02:54,199 --> 01:02:57,880
is almost as important in supporting that culture as the faculty.

1113
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,119
But I will say that every time Hillsdale has faculty opening,

1114
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,400
you would not believe how deluged we are with people

1115
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,559
from elite schools who just want to go and teach.

1116
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:10,719
And I think there's a misnomer where people think Hillsdale's

1117
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,960
like exclusively conservative or anything. It's definitely a place where

1118
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,239
critical thinking is encouraged, but there's a pretty wide variety

1119
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:26,159
of professors. But they have to support they have to

1120
01:03:26,159 --> 01:03:29,679
support academic, a real academic approach and not what we've

1121
01:03:29,719 --> 01:03:32,039
seen with this takeover of left wing university.

1122
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:38,039
Speaker 1: Shout out to Hillsdale. All right, Mallya, let's do culture.

1123
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,440
Can you explain the super Bowl halftime show to me

1124
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,079
like I was born in nineteen seventy.

1125
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,239
Speaker 2: Oh, the super Bowl halftime show. Okay, so I didn't

1126
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,760
watch the full super Bowl because I'm busy, but I

1127
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,599
did check in a little bit, and then I did

1128
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,400
want to see Kendrick Lamar's halftime show. I am not

1129
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:02,280
the world's biggest Kendrick Lamar fan, but neither am I

1130
01:04:02,679 --> 01:04:07,360
a hater of his, and I love halftime shows, mostly

1131
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,960
love Prince's halftime show from two thousand and seven, which

1132
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,519
is which I made the kids watch afterwards. So I

1133
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:18,440
don't know exactly what you mean here, but Kendrick Lamar

1134
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:26,360
is a beloved rap guy is one a ton of

1135
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:30,960
Grammys and is known. I kind of think of him

1136
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,000
as almost like the heir to Tupac, you also do

1137
01:04:35,159 --> 01:04:43,360
not like, but much smarter than average lyricist, has interesting

1138
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:48,440
wordplay and discusses high level concepts, like particularly considering he's

1139
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:53,199
like from Compton, you know, where some of his peers

1140
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:54,079
do not show.

1141
01:04:54,519 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: His er audition, was he dissing another rapper named Drake. Yes.

1142
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: I just want to say before we get to this, though, Yes,

1143
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,519
I will say I don't like I said, I'm not

1144
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,280
like the world's biggest Kendrick Lamurfian. Although I certainly like

1145
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,400
some of his stuff, I also don't hate him. I

1146
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,960
do think it was a weird choice for a halftime show,

1147
01:05:14,239 --> 01:05:17,960
simply because of what I just said. He's not singing songs.

1148
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:24,039
There's nothing you can totally widely dance to. He's more

1149
01:05:24,159 --> 01:05:28,440
like a thoughtful a thoughtful poet, you know, a poet

1150
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:30,840
of the modern nage. I'm kind of joking here, but

1151
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,639
my point being, it's just a weird choice.

1152
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought it was because in the old days

1153
01:05:37,559 --> 01:05:42,559
you'd want someone who had widespread appeal to musical it is.

1154
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,199
Speaker 2: It is one of the problems about the lack of

1155
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:52,199
shared cultural moments and things. There aren't really the U

1156
01:05:52,239 --> 01:05:54,719
two's and the Aerosmiths and the Princes and you know,

1157
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,599
that just doesn't really They've kind of run through a

1158
01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:01,239
lot of those and so instead you go, oh, this

1159
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,599
year we're doing country or this year we're doing rap.

1160
01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:07,559
But yes, I don't actually totally understand the debate between

1161
01:06:07,639 --> 01:06:12,880
Kendrick Lamar and Drake. I did think it was you know,

1162
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:17,000
Drake's a Canadian also artist who is in a feud

1163
01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:21,400
with Kendrick Lamar, and I think that Kendrick Lamar thinks

1164
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,679
that Drake is overrated. I think he's also friends with

1165
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,519
several of the women that Drake dated over the years,

1166
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:32,440
and so sometimes his disses deal with that. He's also

1167
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,280
accused him I don't know any evidence to support this

1168
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,079
of being a pedophile. So that was one of the

1169
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:40,960
interesting things. Like the only moment that you could hear

1170
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,000
the crowd getting into it in the halftime show was

1171
01:06:44,039 --> 01:06:50,440
when he said his line about Drake being interested in

1172
01:06:50,519 --> 01:06:52,760
minors in a minor.

1173
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: Which which seems a weird thing to have happening at

1174
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,559
a Super Bowl halftime show with you know, one hundred thousand,

1175
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,880
a hundred million people watching, or whatever the number is.

1176
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,559
Speaker 2: I don't know. I like the idea America is back.

1177
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:14,719
He gave this very pro patriotic performance. He you know,

1178
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:17,960
the dancers were all doing things in red, white and

1179
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,400
blue and in the shape of the American flag, and

1180
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:25,880
you had Uncle Sam narrating it, and you had him

1181
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attacking a Canadian. Drake is Canadian. You had him attacking

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01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,920
a Canadian for fifteen minutes straight. So it felt very

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01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:33,800
like USA is back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just didn't want people around me to think

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01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:40,039
that I didn't know what was happening, which I didn't,

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but I did like the spectacle of it, you know, so.

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Speaker 2: But it was still I mean I watched it again, actually,

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01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:48,639
and I liked it better the second time. But it

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was just so boring in a weird way, like because

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you couldn't really get into it, yeah, and because it's

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01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:57,119
very hard to understand his lyrics on that in that format.

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It was just boring.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or two boys.

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Speaker 2: But the dancing was good. I think we can all agree, right.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. I Mean, I think the all of the

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Super Bowl was kind of boring this year. I didn't

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01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:11,480
think the ads were very good that I watched. I

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didn't I'm not. I didn't have a real rooting interest

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this year, so didn't really care that much. But it

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was a blowout obviously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the game wasn't that great. The ads were interesting,

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01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,359
so I do want to talk about that. That's one

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01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:25,239
of our few shared cultural experiences are ads at the

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01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:27,359
super Bowl, and it's because it's the only thing that

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01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:30,159
people watch in real time, so all of the advertising

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01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:34,920
energy goes into the super Bowl. And I was okay,

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01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,239
there were things I loved about the ads, and then

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01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:39,239
there were then there was a lot of sadness about

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01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:43,039
the missed opportunities. So on the upside, it had seemed

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for a while that our advertising had become nothing other

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01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:51,680
than preaching about left wing politics in word indeed, I mean,

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01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,880
it was just oppressive, and then this year it seemed

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01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,279
like that mostly went away, except for the ad claiming

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01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:03,039
that girls can beat every boy at football, which my

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01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:05,640
kids and I were laughing about how stupid that was,

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01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:10,199
and I liked that they'd gotten away from a lot

1217
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:13,199
of the bad politics of it. What made me sad

1218
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:17,119
is every single ad seemed to be so poorly done,

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01:09:17,239 --> 01:09:23,279
just artistically speaking, poorly done. There's a lot of computerized clips.

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01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: Also, do you agree that they weren't very funny? I

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01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,520
mean I didn't really. I don't think there was a

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01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,119
single ad. Like every year there's some clever ad that

1223
01:09:31,159 --> 01:09:35,119
actually I'm like, that's fun, but they're just now. They

1224
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:38,119
just stick celebrities and like Beckham and Matt Damon and

1225
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:40,359
they say some stupid stuff. And I didn't think it

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01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:40,880
was funny.

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Speaker 2: It was fine. There are too many there's too much

1228
01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:48,560
use of the same celebrities too, like Matthew mcclas does

1229
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,600
not need to be in everything, and Tom Brady does

1230
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,880
not need to be in every single Super Bowl ad,

1231
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:00,399
and it seemed like he was so I liked the

1232
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,840
Totino's pizza rolls ad.

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01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: Did you see that one with the alien? He says

1234
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,520
like they're a dollar one hundred of them or whatever.

1235
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:09,960
That one, I don't know.

1236
01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 2: It was Chasmo was the alien and there are a

1237
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,119
bunch of people saying goodbye to the alien. It's going

1238
01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:17,520
back to his home planet, and then the door closes

1239
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:21,920
on him. And it's an absurd ad. It's truly absurd,

1240
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:27,039
but it has these This comedian duo Tim Robinson and

1241
01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:28,439
Sam Richardson.

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01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: From Yeah, Yeah, yeah, you know.

1243
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,119
Speaker 2: Tim Robinson did the I Think You Can Leave, and

1244
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:34,439
then they both do Detroiter's.

1245
01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: He is in a movie with Paul Rudd coming out Tim.

1246
01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:41,399
Speaker 2: Robinson, Yeah, and it's definitely an acquired taste. Some of

1247
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:45,239
the people at the Federalist adore him, so it made me.

1248
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:47,560
But anyway, I thought that was kind of a funny

1249
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,760
ad but not too.

1250
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:53,199
Speaker 1: Much, and it was okay. And do I need to

1251
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:56,640
see Ben Affleck doing with the fake you know, Boston

1252
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:00,720
accent doing Dug and Donuts commercials anymore? Them over that?

1253
01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:04,279
Speaker 2: I just don't get those anyway. And what did you

1254
01:11:04,279 --> 01:11:07,079
think about the breasts one?

1255
01:11:07,399 --> 01:11:10,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. Did I miss a breast one? Yeah?

1256
01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:12,560
Speaker 2: So there was this ad that just showed like all

1257
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:17,359
sorts of jiggling lovelies and then at the end, Wanda

1258
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,840
Psyke says, but like, let's care about breasts where it

1259
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,239
really matters. And so it was a pharmaceutical ad for

1260
01:11:22,279 --> 01:11:25,439
something breast related. But I thought it was kind of

1261
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,920
well done. The fourteen year old boy in me thought

1262
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,840
it was a very good ad.

1263
01:11:31,399 --> 01:11:34,359
Speaker 1: I mean, you're on the record as a fan, so right,

1264
01:11:35,359 --> 01:11:36,920
I mean, I'm not let's say I'm not out of

1265
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:40,359
line here, right, all right?

1266
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,159
Speaker 2: I did think it was funny too that they put

1267
01:11:43,239 --> 01:11:44,479
white people back in ads.

1268
01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:48,319
Speaker 1: Can I say this without getting in trouble that me

1269
01:11:48,399 --> 01:11:51,039
and my wife watched TV and we always point out

1270
01:11:51,119 --> 01:11:53,680
on the rare, rare ads where the couple in the

1271
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:58,119
ad is not of different races. Honestly, couldn't even care less.

1272
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:01,199
But it's just almost like the companies are like, we

1273
01:12:01,239 --> 01:12:04,159
can't have just a couple like black people or a

1274
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:07,119
couple of Asian people. Everyone has to be interracial, and

1275
01:12:07,279 --> 01:12:10,000
it is so it gets annoying because most Americans do

1276
01:12:10,119 --> 01:12:13,720
not care about that at all, in my opinion at least,

1277
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,600
and I don't think you're saying, you know, it just

1278
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,039
it becomes this like expectation, this cultural expectation that you

1279
01:12:19,079 --> 01:12:21,399
have these weird ads. Anyway, did I go off in

1280
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:22,680
a weird direction.

1281
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's what I was talking about. What I

1282
01:12:24,399 --> 01:12:26,640
also hated it would be like an ad and look

1283
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,159
at how all the different people that our product is for,

1284
01:12:29,279 --> 01:12:31,279
and then it would just get increasingly ridiculous, and it

1285
01:12:31,359 --> 01:12:35,159
was like, here are three trans people, you know, using

1286
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:37,119
our product, and it's like, we don't really need to.

1287
01:12:38,039 --> 01:12:39,039
We don't really need to do this.

1288
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:45,279
Speaker 1: No, we don't. We don't. All right, oring super Bowl,

1289
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,520
subpar commercials, weird halftime.

1290
01:12:48,119 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 2: Show, David. Did you see any good movies or anything

1291
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:51,680
to save us here?

1292
01:12:52,399 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: Yes? Oh, I can't say they're good, but I did

1293
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,520
watch some stuff. So I watched American Primeval. I don't

1294
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:58,840
know if you've heard about this show it's on.

1295
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 2: Is this about the LDS. Oh?

1296
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:08,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It's such a carat they the cartoonish a

1297
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,039
historical nature of it. Listen, I'm not saying they were

1298
01:13:11,039 --> 01:13:13,800
innocent in the West, and they about eighteen hundreds. They

1299
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,279
certainly were not. But the way they're so bloodthirsty is

1300
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:21,319
just ridiculous. But it's a very gritty Western show, and

1301
01:13:21,399 --> 01:13:24,039
I like stuff like that. It reminded me maybe of

1302
01:13:24,039 --> 01:13:26,880
The Reverend a little bit in a way, that movie

1303
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,119
with the Leo DiCaprio. I thought it was okay, the

1304
01:13:31,159 --> 01:13:34,359
story was okay, it was okay. I wasn't bored watching it,

1305
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:39,399
which happens a lot these days. The second thing I've

1306
01:13:39,399 --> 01:13:40,880
been watching is called The Stranger.

1307
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,359
Speaker 2: Just before you move on to the next one, I

1308
01:13:43,399 --> 01:13:46,600
just want to say my husband was raised LDS in

1309
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,159
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, and

1310
01:13:50,319 --> 01:13:53,319
a lot of his family is in that church. We're

1311
01:13:53,359 --> 01:13:58,560
Lutheran now, but the history of that church is just

1312
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,119
absolutely amazing and why elder than a lot of people

1313
01:14:01,239 --> 01:14:05,520
realize and my I'm going to mess it up, so.

1314
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:06,159
Speaker 1: I can't talk about it.

1315
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:08,279
Speaker 2: We talked about a little bit after the after the

1316
01:14:08,319 --> 01:14:12,399
family reunion that we went to this summer, but my

1317
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:17,520
husband is descended from a bodyguard protector of Brigham Young's,

1318
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,239
and that, you know, it just was. There were a

1319
01:14:19,279 --> 01:14:23,439
lot of gunfights and ambushes and people dressed up as

1320
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,359
Native Americans and you know, just lots of lots of

1321
01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:27,399
crazy stuff going on.

1322
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,239
Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating. I love that story. It's such

1323
01:14:31,279 --> 01:14:34,399
an American story, from the beginnings of that religion onwards,

1324
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,960
like the whole Utah Zion thing, the war they fought

1325
01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:41,399
and all of that. But this show is just it's

1326
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:45,159
not true that Brigham Young was you know, hitler, you know, so,

1327
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,920
and they make him out to be this just this,

1328
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:50,800
it's just made up. And yeah, whatever, I don't I

1329
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,199
don't care that much. I'm not Mormon, but I just,

1330
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,159
you know, it's just not true. I don't think it is.

1331
01:14:57,159 --> 01:15:00,840
I'm not an expert. But another the show I watched,

1332
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,199
it's called A Stranger. It's a is that guy's name.

1333
01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:07,479
He's an author. Harlan Coben is the writer. He writes

1334
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,119
like thrillers, and they made a show out of one.

1335
01:15:09,119 --> 01:15:11,279
It's called A Stranger, and I actually really enjoy it.

1336
01:15:11,279 --> 01:15:16,279
It's a British show like maybe six also, just a

1337
01:15:16,359 --> 01:15:19,119
six episode sort of deal. It's on Netflix. I think

1338
01:15:19,119 --> 01:15:21,880
it's from twenty twenty. I'm not going to give anything away.

1339
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,680
But a stranger shows up and tells this man that

1340
01:15:25,119 --> 01:15:27,640
the things he believes about his wife and family aren't true,

1341
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,680
and then it just kind of spirals out of control.

1342
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,399
So it's one of those kind of shows. I think

1343
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,560
it's pretty good. Okay, so I recommend that one if

1344
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,880
that's your type of thing. But that's all. That's all

1345
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:40,159
I have this week.

1346
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,199
Speaker 2: Really cannot wait till I can get back into waiting

1347
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,479
for reading for fun and watching things for fun. And

1348
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,399
I apologize that I've been down on this, but I've

1349
01:15:50,399 --> 01:15:53,079
got a husband, traveling, kids at home, trying to finish

1350
01:15:53,159 --> 01:15:56,159
this book. There are snowstorms like it's just it's all

1351
01:15:56,199 --> 01:15:56,960
crazy so.

1352
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 1: Sick of the snowstorms.

1353
01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 2: Just remind people also to email us.

1354
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: Again and again. If you'd like to email the show,

1355
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,359
please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

1356
01:16:08,399 --> 01:16:10,239
We'd love to hear from you. We have tons of

1357
01:16:10,279 --> 01:16:12,159
interesting mail. And again, I think we need to do

1358
01:16:12,199 --> 01:16:14,680
a mail bag one day, Molly, and but until then

1359
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,840
we hope everyone will remain lovers of freedom and anxious

1360
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:18,399
for the fray.

1361
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:20,119
Speaker 3: I hope.

1362
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:25,079
Speaker 1: I'm mad to late zip my Demi straight. No, I'm

1363
01:16:25,159 --> 01:16:27,479
made you late. How much