Speaker 1: Hey everyone, and welcome to another deep dive. Today. We're
Speaker 1: going to get into some of the nitty gritty of
Speaker 1: keeping ourselves safe online, you know, building those digital defenses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a digital fortress exactly.
Speaker 1: Our source material today is personal digital security, protecting yourself
Speaker 1: from online crime, and we're going to arm you with
Speaker 1: the knowledge to protect your data and privacy online.
Speaker 2: Think of us like your cybersecurity guides.
Speaker 1: Perfect. So let's get started with the foundation of our
Speaker 1: digital fortress, the operating system. And I have to admit
Speaker 1: this was a bit of a shocker to me. Thousands
Speaker 1: of hackers are constantly scanning for vulnerable computers. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if it's Windows seven or ten.
Speaker 2: Nope, they don't discriminate.
Speaker 1: So how do we lock down our os?
Speaker 2: Regular security patches are key, even on brand new computers.
Speaker 2: Think of it like keeping your software up to date.
Speaker 2: Most versions of Windows can handle this automatically.
Speaker 1: That's good to hear, But to be sure, how can
Speaker 1: listeners double check that everything is set up properly?
Speaker 2: So for Windows seven, go to the store button, than
Speaker 2: control panel, then Windows Update, click on change settings and
Speaker 2: make sure all the boxes are checked for automatic updates.
Speaker 1: And for Windows ten.
Speaker 2: It's similar head to settings, then update and security, and
Speaker 2: finally Windows Update ensure those automatic updates are.
Speaker 1: Switched on GOTA. So that's our OS taken care of.
Speaker 1: But is that enough?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I feel like we need more layers of protection.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're right, Securing your OS is like having a
Speaker 2: strong front door, but you also want a security system
Speaker 2: for that extra piece of mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, makes sense. So what are our options for building
Speaker 1: this digital security system.
Speaker 2: Well, first, you probably already have Windows Defender, especially if
Speaker 2: you're running Windows seven or Vista. It's probably active in
Speaker 2: the background right now as we speak.
Speaker 1: Like it's silent Guardian exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we want to bolster that. We need some
Speaker 2: serious anti virus software. And the good news is you
Speaker 2: don't have to spend a fortune. There are great free
Speaker 2: antivirus solutions out there.
Speaker 1: Really are they really as effective as the baid ones?
Speaker 2: Though, absolutely, especially if you can figure them properly. The
Speaker 2: key is keeping them updated. Outdated antivirus software is like
Speaker 2: wearing a bulletproof vest with holes in it. Not very effective.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a pretty vivid image and a little scary.
Speaker 1: So updated software it is anything else we should be
Speaker 1: aware of.
Speaker 2: Yes, don't fall into the trap of thinking more is better.
Speaker 2: Having multiple antivirus programs running at the same time actually
Speaker 2: does more harm than good. They can conflict with each other,
Speaker 2: slow down your computer, and even create security gaps.
Speaker 1: So one good one and keep it updated. Got it,
Speaker 1: but hold on a second. Besides antivirus, what other tools
Speaker 1: are out there that can help us fortify our defenses?
Speaker 2: Think of these as our specialized security units. First up,
Speaker 2: we have cea cleaner. This is great for cleaning up
Speaker 2: temporary files and Internet history. It's like decluttering your computer,
Speaker 2: which improves performance and protects your privacy.
Speaker 1: So it's good for both security and just general digital
Speaker 1: hygiene exactly.
Speaker 2: Then we have malware bites. This is the heavy hitter.
Speaker 2: It tackles a wider range of threats like viruses, worms, trojans, rootkits,
Speaker 2: hoole works.
Speaker 1: So if Seacleaner is the cleanup crew, malware bytes is
Speaker 1: like our special forces unit. This is starting to sound
Speaker 1: like a digital action movie. What else we get?
Speaker 2: Our final secret weapon is Spybot. Spybot is excellent at
Speaker 2: detecting spyware and adware. These sneaky programs try to track
Speaker 2: you and steal your information. And they often slip past
Speaker 2: traditional antivirus software.
Speaker 1: So spybot is our undercover agent. Okay, so we've got
Speaker 1: our OS updates, a solid antivirus program, and this trio
Speaker 1: of specialized tools, seacleaner for cleanup, malware bytes for heavy
Speaker 1: duty protection, and spybot for those sneaky spies. But how
Speaker 1: often should we be running all of these?
Speaker 2: A good rule of dumb is to run everything once
Speaker 2: a month. It's like a regular security checkup. It ensures
Speaker 2: your system is clean, protected and running smoothly.
Speaker 1: Easy enough. Now, you mentioned programs that try to steal information,
Speaker 1: which brings us to a topic I've always found a
Speaker 1: bit unsettling infected computers. Specifically, let's talk about rit's remote
Speaker 1: access trojans. It sounds ominous and it is.
Speaker 2: Imagine someone having complete control over your computer, stealing your data,
Speaker 2: spying on you, even wiping your hard drive. That's the
Speaker 2: threat of RIT. Wait they could do all that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it essentially gives the attacker a backdoor into your system.
Speaker 1: How would they even get an RIT onto my computer?
Speaker 2: Well, A lot of times it's through things like phishing emails,
Speaker 2: malicious websites, or even downloads that look harmless you might
Speaker 2: think you're getting a cool new game or something, but
Speaker 2: you're actually letting an rat in.
Speaker 1: It's like unknowingly inviting a thief into your house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you said they can do some disturbing things. Can
Speaker 1: you give us some specific examples.
Speaker 2: Well, one thing they can do is lock you out
Speaker 2: of your computer. You go to log in and suddenly
Speaker 2: your password doesn't work, or you try to open a
Speaker 2: file and it's gone or encrypted.
Speaker 1: So it's not just about stealing data, it's about disrupting
Speaker 1: our digital lives as well.
Speaker 2: Right, and then of course there's the data theft itself.
Speaker 2: Bank accounts drained, credit cards maxed out, social media taken
Speaker 2: over all because RITI was recording your keystroe and stealing
Speaker 2: your passwords in the background.
Speaker 1: This is getting a bit too real for my liking.
Speaker 1: Are there any warning signs that we've been hit with
Speaker 1: an rat?
Speaker 2: Sometimes? Yeah, you might notice your computer slowing down, programs
Speaker 2: crashing more than usual, or strange network activity. Maybe you
Speaker 2: see files or programs you didn't install, So.
Speaker 1: Keep an eye out for anything out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1: But let's say the worst happens and our computer does
Speaker 1: get infected. What can we do.
Speaker 2: First thing? Disconnect from the Internet immediately. This stops the
Speaker 2: attacker from having further control. Then run a full scan
Speaker 2: with your anti virus and malware bytes.
Speaker 1: Okay, good first steps, but what if they've already stolen data?
Speaker 2: You need to change your passwords for everything, especially banking
Speaker 2: and financial accounts, and contact your bank and credit card
Speaker 2: companies to report possible fraud.
Speaker 1: It's like a digital disaster recovery plan. But you know
Speaker 1: you mentioned ats can be used for more than just
Speaker 1: malicious attacks. What did you mean by that?
Speaker 2: Believe it or not, Sometimes riturs are just pranks, maybe
Speaker 2: from a mischievous friend. Imagine your screen flipping upside down,
Speaker 2: your CD ROM tray opening and closing on its own,
Speaker 2: or your mouse button switching.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's more annoying than terrifying. Yeah, but it shows
Speaker 1: how much these programs can do. But let's get back
Speaker 1: to the serious stuff. We can't talk about infected computers
Speaker 1: without discussing ransomware.
Speaker 2: Ransomware is the digital equivalent of kidnapping. It holds your
Speaker 2: data hostage, encrypts it, and demands payment for the decryption key.
Speaker 1: The book shows a picture of a ransomware website, and
Speaker 1: it is chilling. It looks like a legitimate business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it can be unsettling. They use scare tactics and
Speaker 2: threats to pressure you into paying. But the thing is,
Speaker 2: even if you pay, they might not actually give you
Speaker 2: the decryption key.
Speaker 1: So prevention is key. We've talked a lot about software protection.
Speaker 1: What about the physical security of our computers.
Speaker 2: That's something people often overlook. You could have the best
Speaker 2: digital defenses in the world, but if someone steals your computer,
Speaker 2: or even just your hard drive, all that software protection.
Speaker 1: Won't help, especially in shared workspaces. Easy to let your
Speaker 1: guard down.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and one of the most common threats, believe it
Speaker 2: or not, comes from USB drives. The book has a
Speaker 2: story about a penetration tester who used a simple trick
Speaker 2: to breach even the most secure networks.
Speaker 1: Wait, it's a penetration tester.
Speaker 2: It's an ethical hacker hired by companies to find security weaknesses,
Speaker 2: like a security check up for your digital fortress.
Speaker 1: Okay, I get it. So what did this penetration tester
Speaker 1: do with USB drives?
Speaker 2: He would leave a USB drive labeled reward if found
Speaker 2: somewhere out in the open, like in a parking lot.
Speaker 1: And I'm guessing a lot of people plug them in.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, who wouldn't want to return a lost drive
Speaker 2: and get a reward? But these drives were far from harmless.
Speaker 2: They contained a program that would automatically run when plugged in.
Speaker 2: It would open up a terminal window with a message
Speaker 2: like one hundred dollars reward if found, Please email Jim
Speaker 2: Williams Dooja at gmail dot com with your name and
Speaker 2: where you found the drive.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's clever, So it seems completely legitimate. What's
Speaker 1: the catch?
Speaker 2: Well, while the person is typing that email, the program
Speaker 2: is silently stealing their passwords and sending them to the
Speaker 2: penetration tester's email account. The whole thing from plugging in
Speaker 2: the drive to the passwords being sent took about thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: Wow. So not only does it steal your passwords, but
Speaker 1: it uses your own email to send them exactly.
Speaker 2: The author of the book even uses his real email
Speaker 2: address in the example to show how convincing it can be.
Speaker 1: I'm never looking at a USB drive the same way again.
Speaker 1: So the takeaway here is don't plug in random devices,
Speaker 1: especially not at work. You never know what they might contain. Now,
Speaker 1: thinking about these USB tricks and sneaky programs. Leads to
Speaker 1: another question, what about keyloggers.
Speaker 2: Ah, keyloggers the silent spies of the digital world. They
Speaker 2: can be hardware or software, and both are equally concerning.
Speaker 2: So hardware keyloggers we're talking about like a little device
Speaker 2: that sits between your keyboard and your computer.
Speaker 1: R Yeah, like some sort of secret recording device.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got it. They're small and they log every keystroke.
Speaker 2: But to install one you need physical access to the computer,
Speaker 2: so they're not as common as software keyloggers.
Speaker 1: Okay, so software keyloggers those are the ones that really
Speaker 1: watch out for. But how would you even know if
Speaker 1: you had one in your computer?
Speaker 2: That's the scary part. They can be completely invisible, silently
Speaker 2: recording everything you type, emails, passwords, credit card numbers, private messages,
Speaker 2: literally everything.
Speaker 1: Okay, now that is creepy. The book actually shows some
Speaker 1: visuals of what a keylogger can capture. Figures one point
Speaker 1: one five and one point one six show a normal
Speaker 1: email and then the text file created by a keylogger
Speaker 1: with every single letter and number. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: sensitive information. So how do these things even get onto
Speaker 1: our computers?
Speaker 2: A lot of times it's through drive by downloads. You
Speaker 2: visit a website, maybe one offering free stuff, but hidden
Speaker 2: in that download is a keylogger that installs itself without
Speaker 2: you ever knowing.
Speaker 1: So those two good to be true offers often are.
Speaker 1: But is there anything we can do to protect ourselves
Speaker 1: from these keyloggers?
Speaker 2: Yes, thankfully. Remember those tools we talked about earlier, malware
Speaker 2: bytes and spy I bought. They're really good at detecting
Speaker 2: and removing keyloggers. That's why having multiple layers of security
Speaker 2: is so important, like.
Speaker 1: Having a digital security guard always on the lookout. Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta ask about Max. Are they immune to all
Speaker 1: this stuff or are they just as vulnerable as Windows.
Speaker 2: Max are generally considered to be more secure, but that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean they're invincible. They can still get viruses in
Speaker 2: malware just like any other computer. The difference is the
Speaker 2: number of threats targeting MAX is way lower compared to Windows.
Speaker 1: Can you quantify that difference? Like, what are we talking
Speaker 1: about here?
Speaker 2: The book says there was something like twenty to thirty
Speaker 2: Mac attacks per year compared to a whopping sixty five
Speaker 2: thousand Windows attacks per day.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a massive difference. I know you mainly use
Speaker 1: Windows machines for your work. But have you ever had
Speaker 1: a virus on a Mac?
Speaker 2: Actually? Yeah, but it was on purpose. I was doing
Speaker 2: research on a specific Mac virus and I wanted to
Speaker 2: see how it worked firsthand. In that case, it was
Speaker 2: super easy to get rid of. I just deleted the
Speaker 2: file and that was it.
Speaker 1: So MAX might be a little safer for basic browsing
Speaker 1: and email. Well, but it's still important to be careful.
Speaker 1: But regardless of what operating system you're using, strong passwords
Speaker 1: are absolutely essential, right, Absolutely.
Speaker 2: A strong password is your first line of defense against
Speaker 2: any hacking attempt. And I don't mean password one, two
Speaker 2: three or your dog's name.
Speaker 1: Yeah that those are basically an open invitation for hackers.
Speaker 1: So how do we create passwords that are both strong
Speaker 1: and memorable, because with all the accounts we have these days,
Speaker 1: it's impossible to remember a bunch of complex passwords.
Speaker 2: The book has a good suggestion. You can build a
Speaker 2: strong password around a word you already know. Like let's
Speaker 2: say the word is Apple. You could make a strong
Speaker 2: password by adding some capital letters, special characters, and numbers,
Speaker 2: something like apple at twenty thirteen three would be really
Speaker 2: hard to crack.
Speaker 1: That's a great tip. It's way easier to remember if
Speaker 1: you start with a familiar word. But even with tricks
Speaker 1: like that, managing a ton of different passwords is a pain.
Speaker 1: I mean, who can keep track of all that?
Speaker 2: That's where password management tools come in handy. They're like
Speaker 2: digital vaults that store all your passwords securely and make
Speaker 2: them easy to access when you need them.
Speaker 1: So it's like a master key for all your online
Speaker 1: accounts exactly.
Speaker 2: There are two popular ones, key Pass and last Pass.
Speaker 2: Key Pass stores your passwords locally on your device, so
Speaker 2: if you're worried about privacy, that's a good option.
Speaker 1: So your passwords stay under your control, you don't have
Speaker 1: to trust the third party with them. What about last pass?
Speaker 2: Last pass is a little different. It has a free
Speaker 2: version for your desktop and a paid version for like
Speaker 2: twelve dollars a year. With the paid version, you can
Speaker 2: access your passwords from your phone, and it supports ubikey,
Speaker 2: a hardware device for two factor authentication.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Speaking of security risks, what about
Speaker 1: auto saving passwords in web browsers. I'll admit I love
Speaker 1: the convenience, but it always felt a little risky.
Speaker 2: You're right to be cautious. Especially on public computers. Auto
Speaker 2: saving passwords on a public computer is basically giving anyone
Speaker 2: who uses that computer after you access to your accounts.
Speaker 2: There's actually a software mentioned in the book called web
Speaker 2: browser Passview, and it can show you all the safe
Speaker 2: passwords and a browser instantly.
Speaker 1: So anyone could get into my bank account, my social
Speaker 1: media everything just like that.
Speaker 2: Yep. The author even talks about how he's found saved
Speaker 2: passwords on computers in hotel business centers. It's scary how
Speaker 2: easy it is.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm definitely rethinking my password saving abbots. So convenience
Speaker 1: should not come at the cost of security exactly.
Speaker 2: It's a simple setting to change too. The book actually
Speaker 2: lists the steps for how to disable password saving and
Speaker 2: all the major browsers Chrome, Firefox, Safari, even Internet Explorer.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm adding that to my to do list.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we've talked about creating strong passwords and protecting them,
Speaker 1: but what happens if someone tries to crack our passwords
Speaker 1: using some brute force method? Is that even possible?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately? Yeah, it is. There are password cracking tools out
Speaker 2: there like offcrack that are used by forensic investigators, but
Speaker 2: they can be used by hackers as well.
Speaker 1: Off crack That sounds intense. What is it and how
Speaker 1: does it work?
Speaker 2: It uses something called rainbow tape, which are basically pre
Speaker 2: computed tables of password hashes, So instead of trying every
Speaker 2: possible combination, offcrack can just compare hashes, which makes it
Speaker 2: much faster at guessing passwords.
Speaker 1: So the stronger and more unique our passwords are, the better.
Speaker 2: Exactly. The free version of offcrack is limited and it
Speaker 2: usually can't crack passwords with special characters, but the paid
Speaker 2: versions are more powerful, So that's why it's so important
Speaker 2: to use a strong password structure like the one we
Speaker 2: talked about earlier.
Speaker 1: Strong Passwords Check. Now, let's move on to email security.
Speaker 1: Email is connected to so many other online services, and
Speaker 1: it seems like a prime target for attacks, don't you think.
Speaker 2: Yeah? For sure, attackers know that our email accounts hold
Speaker 2: a ton of person and information, and they're often the
Speaker 2: key to accessing other accounts. That's why phishing attacks are
Speaker 2: so common.
Speaker 1: Fishing that's when someone pretends to be a legitimate company
Speaker 1: or organization to trick you into giving them your information, right.
Speaker 2: Exactly like those emails that say your account has been
Speaker 2: compromised or there's a problem with your order, and they're
Speaker 2: getting really good at making them look official. The book
Speaker 2: has some examples, and they're scary how convincing they look.
Speaker 1: So what should we be looking out for. What are
Speaker 1: some red flags?
Speaker 2: Well, one thing is unsolicited emails about fraud or account problems.
Speaker 2: Be wary of anything that's trying to create a sense
Speaker 2: of urgency or panic. Also, look closely at the website address.
Speaker 2: If it's even slightly different from the real one, that's
Speaker 2: a red flag, like if you see Bankofamerica dash security
Speaker 2: dot com instead of just Bankofamerica dot com. Or sometimes
Speaker 2: they'll use a string of numbers that looks like an
Speaker 2: IP address instead of a normal website name.
Speaker 1: So it's those little details that can trip us up
Speaker 1: anything else.
Speaker 2: Also, be suspicious of emails that ask for a ton
Speaker 2: of personal information. If they're asking for your social Security number,
Speaker 2: your beta birth, your mother's maiden name, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Be very careful, and we should never respond to email
Speaker 1: requests for information from financial institutions right right.
Speaker 2: If you get an email that seems suspicious, the best
Speaker 2: thing to do is contact the company directly through their
Speaker 2: official website or phone number, don't click on any links
Speaker 2: in the email.
Speaker 1: Okay, good. So let's say our email does get hacked.
Speaker 1: What could happen?
Speaker 2: Well, hackers aren't always just interested in your emails. They
Speaker 2: often want to use your email to access other accounts,
Speaker 2: like your bank account, your social media, online stores, even
Speaker 2: your other email accounts.
Speaker 1: It's like losing the keys to your entire online life exactly.
Speaker 2: The book actually describes the scenario where a hacker gets
Speaker 2: access to an email account and immediately starts searching for
Speaker 2: keywords related to banks and online stores. It shows how
Speaker 2: targeted these attacks can be.
Speaker 1: And I'm guessing that stolen information has real monetary value.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. The book mentions this guy Brian Krebs,
Speaker 2: a cybersecurity journalist who reported on the prices for stolen
Speaker 2: accounts on the black market back in twenty thirteen. The
Speaker 2: list included prices for all sorts of accounts like iTunes, FedEx,
Speaker 2: United Airlines, group on, even Facebook accounts.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's crazy to think that even seemingly unimportant accounts
Speaker 1: could be valuable to hackers.
Speaker 2: Right, and social media accounts are especially vulnerable because we
Speaker 2: tend to trust them. The book shows a picture of
Speaker 2: a fake Facebook notification email designed to steal your login
Speaker 2: information and it looks so real.
Speaker 1: So those messages that say our account has been hacked
Speaker 1: or we need to confirm our password, those are often
Speaker 1: just phishing attempts in disguise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And it's not just emails either, fake friend requests,
Speaker 2: links to quizzes and games, messages that say you've been
Speaker 2: tagged in a photo. They can all be used to
Speaker 2: trick you into clicking on something or giving up your information.
Speaker 1: It's a digital jungle out there, and it's not just
Speaker 1: those direct attempts either. We also need to be careful
Speaker 1: about file attachment attacks.
Speaker 2: Right right, attachments can be a way for hackers to
Speaker 2: deliver malware, and they're getting really good at disguising those attachments.
Speaker 2: They might look like a stand document, a traffic ticket,
Speaker 2: a notification about a package, anything that you might be
Speaker 2: curious about or worried about.
Speaker 1: So what opening and attachment could basically unleash a virus
Speaker 1: on your computer?
Speaker 2: Yeah pretty much. Zip files especially are known for having
Speaker 2: malware in and inside, so super careful about opening any attachments,
Speaker 2: especially if they're unexpected or from someone you don't know.
Speaker 1: It sounds like being skeptical and verifying everything is our
Speaker 1: best defense.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, pay attention to website addresses, don't click on links
Speaker 2: and emails you weren't expecting, and if something seems off,
Speaker 2: always trust your gut and double check it.
Speaker 1: Good advice. So we're building up a pretty solid defense here.
Speaker 1: But are there any other ways to protect our accounts?
Speaker 2: Yes, there's something called two factor authentication or two FA
Speaker 2: for short, and it's super helpful. Basically, it means you
Speaker 2: need two things to log into your account, your password
Speaker 2: and a code that's sent to your phone.
Speaker 1: So even if someone steals my password, they still can't
Speaker 1: get into my account without that code.
Speaker 2: Right. It's like a double lock on your digital door.
Speaker 1: That's a great analogy. Is two FA widely available?
Speaker 2: Yes, most online services offer it now, including Google, social
Speaker 2: media sites, email providers, and banks. The book uses Google's
Speaker 2: two FA system as an example, and it's a good one.
Speaker 2: It's really easy to set up and it can make
Speaker 2: a big difference.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'll definitely look into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we've covered a lot about digital security, but now
Speaker 1: I want to talk about data. Our personal data is
Speaker 1: one of the most valuable things we have online and
Speaker 1: we need to protect it.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, and that's why backing up your data
Speaker 2: is crucial. Everybody needs to have a copy of their
Speaker 2: important data stored somewhere safe. Think about it, what would
Speaker 2: you do if your computer crashed or got stolen.
Speaker 1: It would be a nightmare. All my photos, documents, everything gone.
Speaker 2: And it happens more often than you think. Hard drive
Speaker 2: failure is inevitable. It's not if it's going to happen,
Speaker 2: it's when. Having a backup is like having insurance for
Speaker 2: your data.
Speaker 1: So what are our options for backing up our data?
Speaker 2: Well, there are a few different ways to do it.
Speaker 2: There's on site backup, off site backup, and cloud storage backup.
Speaker 1: Okay, break those down for me.
Speaker 2: On site backup is the simplest option. It's basically using
Speaker 2: an external hard drive or USB drive to store a
Speaker 2: copy of your files. The book recommends a program called
Speaker 2: free Filesync, which makes it super easy to keep your
Speaker 2: file SYNCD between your computer and your extern drive.
Speaker 1: It's like a supercharged copy and paste.
Speaker 2: Pretty much. Off site backup is storing a copy of
Speaker 2: your data in a different physical location like your office,
Speaker 2: a friend's house, or even a safe deposit box. This
Speaker 2: protects you in case something happens to your home like
Speaker 2: a fire or a break in, So.
Speaker 1: It's a backup for your backup exactly.
Speaker 2: And finally, cloud storage backup involves using online services like Carbonite,
Speaker 2: which automatically back up your data to their servers. It's
Speaker 2: convenient because you don't have to worry about managing it,
Speaker 2: and you can access your data from anywhere.
Speaker 1: So we've got options depending on our needs and comfort level.
Speaker 1: The important thing is to choose a method and stick
Speaker 1: with it, back up your data regularly. And what about
Speaker 1: data encryption?
Speaker 2: Encryption is a really good way to protect your data.
Speaker 2: It's like putting a lock on your data, so even
Speaker 2: if someone gets their hands on your device or backup drive,
Speaker 2: they can't access your files without the key.
Speaker 1: Encryption always seemed like something only spies or people with
Speaker 1: something to hide would use.
Speaker 2: A lot of people think that, but it's for anyone
Speaker 2: who wants to keep their information private. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if you're a student protecting your schoolwork, a photographer with
Speaker 2: a collection of photos, or a business owner with sensitive
Speaker 2: customer data. Encryption can help.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm convinced. What tools do you recommend for encrypting data?
Speaker 2: The book recommends true crypt. It's a free program that
Speaker 2: lets you create what's called an encrypted container on your
Speaker 2: hard drive or USB drive. You can think of it
Speaker 2: like a virtual safe for your most important files.
Speaker 1: Is it easy to use?
Speaker 2: The book walks you through it step by step. The
Speaker 2: author uses his own personal setup as an example. It
Speaker 2: might seem a little complicated at first, but it's pretty
Speaker 2: straightforward once you get the hang of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, true crypt it is. Now let's talk about data recovery.
Speaker 1: Is it true that deleted files can be recovered.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's true. Even if you empty the recycle bin
Speaker 2: or trash, those files aren't actually gone. They're still there
Speaker 2: on your hard drive and they can be recovered with
Speaker 2: special software.
Speaker 1: Wow. So even if we think something is gone forever,
Speaker 1: it might not be. That's a little unsettling. What can
Speaker 1: we do about that?
Speaker 2: There's a technique called wiping free space, which overwrites the
Speaker 2: deleted parts of your hard drive with random data. This
Speaker 2: makes it much harder, almost impossible, to recover those deleted files, So.
Speaker 1: It's like digitally shredding your old documents exactly.
Speaker 2: The book recommends a program called Sea Cleaner for this,
Speaker 2: and it's free. It's really good at cleaning up temporary
Speaker 2: files and internet history, and it also has a drive
Speaker 2: wiping feature.
Speaker 1: C Cleaner is turning out to be a pretty versatile tool. Yeah, now,
Speaker 1: what about when you want to get rid of a
Speaker 1: computer or hard drive completely? Is wiping free space enough
Speaker 1: in those cases?
Speaker 2: No, if you're selling, donating, or throwing away a computer
Speaker 2: or hard drive, you need to wipe the entire drive
Speaker 2: to make sure all your data is gone. The book
Speaker 2: recommends dban for this. It's a free tool that will
Speaker 2: completely erase everything on your drive.
Speaker 1: So it's like giving your hard drive a factory reset.
Speaker 2: It's even more thorough than that. It's the most secure
Speaker 2: way to get rid of your data and make sure
Speaker 2: it doesn't fall into the wrong hands.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good to know. We've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: protecting our own devices in data, but what about data
Speaker 1: that's already out there online? Can our information be leaked
Speaker 1: even if we don't get hacked.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's definitely a concern. Account breaches happen and sometimes
Speaker 2: huge amounts of data are stolen, and these breaches can
Speaker 2: happen to anyone, even big, well known companies.
Speaker 1: So it's not just about protecting ourselves from hackers. We
Speaker 1: also have to be aware of the companies that hold
Speaker 1: our data exactly.
Speaker 2: The book suggests a few ways to check if your
Speaker 2: online data has been exposed. You can use Google to
Speaker 2: search for specific file names, or search within websites like
Speaker 2: Dropbox or Google Drive. You can also create a unique
Speaker 2: test file and see if it shows up intell results.
Speaker 1: So we can be proactive about finding potential leaks. I
Speaker 1: like that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. The book also talks about something called paste websites
Speaker 2: where stolen data is often shared publicly. One example is
Speaker 2: paste a bin. You can actually search those sites to
Speaker 2: see if your information has been compromised in a data breach.
Speaker 1: That's a little scary. Is like looking for your digital
Speaker 1: self in a dark corner of the Internet.
Speaker 2: It can be, but it's important to be aware of
Speaker 2: these things. The author actually created a custom search engine
Speaker 2: that searches multiple paced websites at once, and it's on
Speaker 2: his website, computercrimeinfo dot com.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll have to check that out. Now. I want
Speaker 1: to shift gears a bit and talk about document metadata.
Speaker 1: What is metadata and why is it potentially dangerous?
Speaker 2: Metadata is basically hidden information about a file It's not
Speaker 2: something you see when you open the file, but it
Speaker 2: can be extracted using special software. You can think of
Speaker 2: it like a digital fingerprint for a file. It can
Speaker 2: reveal all sorts of things about the file's history, like
Speaker 2: who created it, what computer it was created on, when
Speaker 2: it was created, even the location where it was created.
Speaker 1: So even an innocent document like a resume or a
Speaker 1: research paper could contain sensitive information in its metadata.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. The book shows an example of a PDF
Speaker 2: document and it highlights all the hidden data that's in there.
Speaker 2: It's pretty eye opening.
Speaker 1: So how could this metad data be exploited?
Speaker 2: Imagine you send a proposal to a competitor, and without
Speaker 2: knowing it, you're also sending them your company's network structure,
Speaker 2: the names of everyone who worked on the proposal, and
Speaker 2: even what software you used to create it, all hidden
Speaker 2: in the metadata.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's not good. So how can we scrub this
Speaker 1: hidden data from our documents?
Speaker 2: There are a few things you can do. Some programs
Speaker 2: let you remove metadata manually before you share a file.
Speaker 2: You can also convert the file to a different format,
Speaker 2: like turning a word doc into a PDF, which can
Speaker 2: sometimes strip away some of the metadata. But The best
Speaker 2: way is to use a tool specifically designed to remove metadata.
Speaker 2: There are a bunch of options out there, both free
Speaker 2: and paid.
Speaker 1: Okay, sounds like metadata removal is another tool for our
Speaker 1: digital toolkit.
Speaker 2: Now, let's step outside the digital world for a moment
Speaker 2: and talk about identity theft. It's a scary thought for
Speaker 2: a lot of people. What are some basic things we
Speaker 2: can do to protect ourselves. One of the most important
Speaker 2: things is to secure your sensitive documents. Shred anything that
Speaker 2: has personal information on it, like old bank statements, credit
Speaker 2: card offers, anything with your social Security number on it,
Speaker 2: and keep important documents locked up either in a file
Speaker 2: cabinet or a safe deposit box.
Speaker 1: So it's all about minimizing the opportunities for someone to
Speaker 1: get their hands on our information. But what about monitoring
Speaker 1: for suspicious activity? What should we be doing there?
Speaker 2: Check your bank in credit card statements regularly, and get
Speaker 2: your free credit reports from each of the three credit
Speaker 2: bureaus Equifax, Experience, and TransUnion at least once a year.
Speaker 2: You can get those for free at annual credit report
Speaker 2: dot com.
Speaker 1: Okay, so be vigilant. What about those preapproved credit card
Speaker 1: offers we get in the mail? So tempting to just
Speaker 1: throw them away.
Speaker 2: You can actually opt out of those preapproved offers, which
Speaker 2: is a good idea for two reasons. One it reduces
Speaker 2: the amount of junk mail you get and two it
Speaker 2: makes it harder for thieves to get their hands on
Speaker 2: your information. You can opt out online at opt out
Speaker 2: prescreen dot.
Speaker 1: Com Less junk mail. I'm all for that. Now, what
Speaker 1: about fraud alerts for those can be helped for preventing
Speaker 1: identity theft?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can. A fraud alert basically puts a flag
Speaker 2: on your credit report. It requires lenders to take extra
Speaker 2: steps to verify your identity before they give you credit.
Speaker 2: This makes it a lot harder for someone to open
Speaker 2: fraudulent accounts in your.
Speaker 1: Name, so it's like putting a roadblock in front of
Speaker 1: identity thieves exactly.
Speaker 2: There's a ninety day fraud alert that you can put
Speaker 2: on your account, and you can renew it indefinitely, and
Speaker 2: if you've actually been a victim of identity theft, you
Speaker 2: can get an extended fraud alert that lasts for seven years.
Speaker 1: Fraud alerts sound like a useful tool. Are they fool proof? Though?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately not really. A really determined criminal can still find
Speaker 2: ways around them. The most effective way to protect yourself
Speaker 2: from new accounts being opened in your name is to
Speaker 2: put a credit freeze on your account.
Speaker 1: Okay, credit freeze, tell me more about those.
Speaker 2: A credit freeze basically locks down your credit report. Nobody
Speaker 2: can open new accounts until the freeze is lifted, not
Speaker 2: even you.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a padlock on your credit exactly, And the
Speaker 2: best part is it doesn't affect your existing account or
Speaker 2: your credit score.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a powerful way to protect yourself. The book
Speaker 1: mentions that there are different laws about credit freezes in
Speaker 1: each state.
Speaker 2: Right, you'll want to check the laws in your state
Speaker 2: and with each of the credit bureaus.
Speaker 1: Definitely something to look into. Now, let's talk about credit cards.
Speaker 1: What are some practical ways to protect our credit card information.
Speaker 2: The first thing is to try to limit how many
Speaker 2: credit cards you carry around with you only take the
Speaker 2: ones you absolutely need. The book also recommends making a
Speaker 2: list of all your credit card accounts with the account
Speaker 2: numbers and the contact info for each card's fraud department,
Speaker 2: so if.
Speaker 1: Your wallet gets stolen, you've got all that info handy exactly.
Speaker 2: And you also want to be aware of credit card duplication.
Speaker 2: That's when someone creates a fake card using stolen information.
Speaker 1: How do they steal the info in the first place.
Speaker 2: Phishing emails and websites are one way, but they also
Speaker 2: use something called skimming, where they put a device on
Speaker 2: an ATM or a card reader to capture your information
Speaker 2: when you swipe your card.
Speaker 1: It's like a high tech version of pick pocketing.
Speaker 2: Yep. The book has some pictures of these skimming devices,
Speaker 2: and they're really small and hard to spot.
Speaker 1: So we really need to pay attention to those card readers,
Speaker 1: especially at gas stations and ATMs.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and if anything seems off about the card reader,
Speaker 2: don't use it. It's better to be safe than sorry.
Speaker 1: Good advice. Now, what about those big data breaches we
Speaker 1: hear about the ones where hackers break into a company
Speaker 1: system and steal tons of credit card numbers.
Speaker 2: Those are a big concern. Hackers are always looking for
Speaker 2: weaknesses in point of sale systems and they can steal
Speaker 2: a ton of information really quickly, like the Target breach
Speaker 2: a few years ago that was huge.
Speaker 1: It makes you realize that your information is at risk
Speaker 1: even when you're making legitimate.
Speaker 2: Purchases exactly, and it's not always the retailer's fault either.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they have outdated systems, weak passwords, they're not installing
Speaker 2: security updates, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So everyone has a part to play and keeping things secure.
Speaker 1: As consumers, is there anything we can do to protect
Speaker 1: ourselves from these data breaches?
Speaker 2: Paying with cash is always the safest bet, and if
Speaker 2: you're shopping online, it's safer to use a credit card
Speaker 2: than a debit card. Credit cards have better fraud protection.
Speaker 1: Good tips. Now, I've heard about something called virtual credit cards.
Speaker 1: What are those and are they more secure?
Speaker 2: Virtual credit cards are basically temporary credit card numbers that
Speaker 2: expire after one use. They're good for online shopping because
Speaker 2: you don't have to give out your real card number,
Speaker 2: especially on sites you don't totally trust, or if you're
Speaker 2: signing up for a free trial that you might forget.
Speaker 1: To cancel, so it's like a burner credit card exactly.
Speaker 2: City and Bank of America both offer virtual card services.
Speaker 1: That's good to know. What about pre paid credit cards?
Speaker 1: Are those a good option for online security?
Speaker 2: They can be. They don't require a credit check or
Speaker 2: any personal information, so they can offer some anonymity. They're
Speaker 2: good for online purchases if you don't want to give
Speaker 2: out your real card info. American Express has some decent
Speaker 2: prepaid card options.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like digital cash in a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's important to note that there are fees
Speaker 2: associated with prepaid cards.
Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about computers and phones, but so
Speaker 1: many other devices are connected to the Internet. Now are
Speaker 1: those at risk too?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, definitely. We've got copy machines, printers, TVs, cameras,
Speaker 2: smart thermostats, even refrigerators all connecting to the Internet, and
Speaker 2: a lot of them have default passwords or weak security measures,
Speaker 2: which makes some really easy targets for hackers.
Speaker 1: So it's not just our computers and phones we need
Speaker 1: to worry about, right.
Speaker 2: The book talks about something called Google hacking, and it
Speaker 2: basically means using Google to find vulnerable devices online. It's
Speaker 2: surprisingly easy. For example, you can find tons of devices
Speaker 2: with default passwords just by searching default password on Google.
Speaker 1: I never would have thought of that, But if Google
Speaker 1: can find those devices, can hackers too.
Speaker 2: Definitely. There's actually a special search engine called showdan that
Speaker 2: specifically for finding Internet connected devices, so it's.
Speaker 1: Like a map of all the devices on the Internet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much, and it can show you all sorts
Speaker 2: of things like live feeds from unsecured webcams and devices
Speaker 2: with easy to guess passwords.
Speaker 1: Okay, that is creepy. It makes you realize just how
Speaker 1: connected everything is these.
Speaker 2: Days, it really does, and it shows how important it
Speaker 2: is to secure all your devices, not just your computer
Speaker 2: and phone.
Speaker 1: Speaking of devices, what about home automation systems and alarm systems.
Speaker 1: Those are really popular these days. Are they safe?
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of them aren't as secure as they
Speaker 2: should be. They can often be accessed remotely, sometimes even
Speaker 2: without a password, and that could give someone control over
Speaker 2: your alarm system, your security cameras, your thermostat, even your lights.
Speaker 1: So our smart homes could actually be pretty vulnerable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a real risk. The author of the book
Speaker 2: actually talks about how he was able to connect to
Speaker 2: a bunch of unsecured home automation systems, including one in Decatur, Illinois.
Speaker 2: He could see the live camera feeds, control the alarm system,
Speaker 2: and adjust the thermostat.
Speaker 1: Sounds like something out of a sci fi movie.
Speaker 2: I know, right, it's pretty wild. So it's super important
Speaker 2: to secure your home automations with a strong password and
Speaker 2: keep the software updated.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, advice. Now, we've talked about securing our own
Speaker 1: devices and data, but is there any way to check
Speaker 1: if our information is already exposed somewhere online? Can we
Speaker 1: proactively search for our own vulnerabilities?
Speaker 2: You can? The book says you can try searching Google
Speaker 2: and showdown for your IP address, your business name, or
Speaker 2: even your GPS coordinates. You might be surprised what you find.
Speaker 1: It's like doing your own digital security audit.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and if you find anything suspicious, you should report it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that be proactive. Yeah. Now, let's talk
Speaker 1: about wireless network security. It's something we use every day,
Speaker 1: but it's also a potential security risk, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely? An unsecured wireless network is like leaving your front
Speaker 2: door wide open. Anyone can connect and potentially access your
Speaker 2: devices and your data. The book tells a story about
Speaker 2: a young woman who was being harassed online, and it
Speaker 2: turned out the harasser was using her neighbor's unsecured Wi
Speaker 2: Fi to access her information.
Speaker 1: So we need to be careful about not only our
Speaker 1: own network, but also any networks we connect to, especially public.
Speaker 2: Wi Fi exactly. So things like changing your router's default name,
Speaker 2: enabling WPA or WPA two encryption. Those are really important, so.
Speaker 1: Building a fence around your wireless network.
Speaker 2: Right, and of course, using a strong, unique password is essential.
Speaker 2: The book shows some examples of how easy it is
Speaker 2: for people to accidentally expose their Wi Fi passwords, like
Speaker 2: in TV interviews and concert videos.
Speaker 1: Oops. It's a good reminder to be mindful of where
Speaker 1: our passwords are visible.
Speaker 2: And you should think about turning off your wireless router
Speaker 2: when you're not using it. It's an extra layer of security.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll admit that one's a little tough for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. Sometimes you need your WiFi on
Speaker 2: all the time. It's about finding a balance that works
Speaker 2: for you. But let's dive into public Wi Fi. It's
Speaker 2: super convenient, but it comes with its own set of risks.
Speaker 1: It does feel a little risky connecting to a network
Speaker 1: you know nothing about. It makes you wonder what could
Speaker 1: be lurking out there.
Speaker 2: You're smart to be cautious on public Wi Fi. You
Speaker 2: don't have control over the network security. Someone could be
Speaker 2: eavesdropping on your connection. The book explains a type of
Speaker 2: attack called a man in the middle attack, where the
Speaker 2: attacker intercepts the data going between you and a website.
Speaker 1: So it's like someone's listening in on your Internet conversation exactly.
Speaker 2: The author even describes how he did a man in
Speaker 2: the middle attack in a college classroom and he was
Speaker 2: able to capture students' data.
Speaker 1: That's a little freaky. Makes you think twice about what
Speaker 1: you do on public Wi Fi, definitely.
Speaker 2: And then there are fake Wi Fi networks. These are
Speaker 2: set up by attackers to look like legitimate networks and
Speaker 2: they trick people into connecting.
Speaker 1: So you think you're connecting to the airport's free Wi Fi,
Speaker 1: but you're actually connecting to a hackers network yep.
Speaker 2: And there are tools you can buy online to create
Speaker 2: these fake networks, like something called a Pineapple router. It's
Speaker 2: basically a portable device that can be used to set
Speaker 2: up a fake Wi Fi hotspot.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's scary. So even a Wi Fi network that
Speaker 1: looks legitimate could be a trap.
Speaker 2: It's possible. That's why it's so important not to send
Speaker 2: any any sensitive information over public Wi Fi, like passwords
Speaker 2: or credit card numbers. And if you do have to
Speaker 2: use public Wi Fi, make sure the website you're on
Speaker 2: is secure. Look for HTTPS at the beginning of the
Speaker 2: web address and a little padlock icon in the address bar.
Speaker 1: So those are signs that the connection is encrypted exactly.
Speaker 2: And you might also want to consider using a VPN.
Speaker 1: What's a VPN again?
Speaker 2: It stands for Virtual Private network and it encrypts all
Speaker 2: of your Internet traffic, even on public Wi Fi. It's
Speaker 2: like having a private, secure tunnel for your data.
Speaker 1: Got it? VPNs, hgtps and padlock icons. Check. Now, let's
Speaker 1: shift gears a bit and talk about something that's especially
Speaker 1: important for parents, Keeping kids safe online.
Speaker 2: That's a big one, and the best place to start
Speaker 2: is by talking to your kids about online safety. Talk
Speaker 2: to them about the risks of sharing personal information, the
Speaker 2: dangers of online predators, and the fact that anything they
Speaker 2: do online can stay online forever.
Speaker 1: It's about teaching them to be responsible digital.
Speaker 2: Citizens exactly, and also be aware of It's a serious issue,
Speaker 2: and the book has some advice for parents on how
Speaker 2: to talk to their kids about it and what to
Speaker 2: look out for.
Speaker 1: I know some parents monitor their kids online activity. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: It's a tough one. Monitoring can be helpful, but you
Speaker 2: have to do it responsibly and respectfully.
Speaker 1: It's all about finding that balance between safety and privacy. Right.
Speaker 2: The book shows you how to access your kid's browsing
Speaker 2: history in different web browsers, but it also points out
Speaker 2: that kids can delete their history or use private browsing.
Speaker 1: Modes, so it's not foolproof.
Speaker 2: Nope, that's why open communication and setting clear boundaries are
Speaker 2: so important.
Speaker 1: What about monitoring kids online accounts instead of just their devices?
Speaker 2: That can be more effective. Sites like Facebook and Twitter
Speaker 2: are where a lot of kids online activity happens. The
Speaker 2: book actually has whole sections on how to find and
Speaker 2: monitor your kids Facebook and Twitter accounts. It goes into
Speaker 2: how to use search techniques, how to adjust privacy settings,
Speaker 2: and even how to use third party tools like tweet
Speaker 2: deck for real time monit.
Speaker 1: So it's like having a window into your kid's social lives,
Speaker 1: but we need to use that information responsibly.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Parental monitoring should be about keeping kids safe, not
Speaker 2: spying on them.
Speaker 1: Okay, good point. Before we finish up today, I want
Speaker 1: to circle back to something you mentioned earlier. Username search engines.
Speaker 1: They sound like a really useful tool, especially for parents
Speaker 1: who are trying to see what their kids are up
Speaker 1: to online.
Speaker 2: They can be There are a lot of different ones
Speaker 2: out there, no m is a good one. It searches
Speaker 2: for usernames across a huge number of websites, and it
Speaker 2: can even tell you if a username is available, which
Speaker 2: is helpful if you're trying to figure out if someone
Speaker 2: has an account somewhere.
Speaker 1: So if the usernameis available, that's a signed to look
Speaker 1: a little deeper exactly.
Speaker 2: And then there's namic, which is more visually focused. It
Speaker 2: shows you a bunch of social media sites and whether
Speaker 2: the username is taken on each.
Speaker 1: One, so it's a quick way to see where that
Speaker 1: username pops up right.
Speaker 2: And if you want links to the actual profiles, there's
Speaker 2: check Usernames. It searches fewer sites, but it gives you
Speaker 2: direct links to any accounts.
Speaker 1: So it's more about getting to the point yep.
Speaker 2: Now, if you want to go beyond social media, there's pitbull.
Speaker 2: It searches for usernames across a ton of different websites
Speaker 2: and tries to gather more information about the person, like
Speaker 2: their age, location, employer, and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So it's not just about finding accounts, it's about building
Speaker 1: a whole profile exactly.
Speaker 2: And if you're specifically interested in blogs, Google blog search
Speaker 2: is a good one. You can search for keywords or
Speaker 2: names within blog posts, and it can help you find
Speaker 2: personal blogs that might give you more information about someone.
Speaker 1: It's like a window into someone's thoughts and experiences.
Speaker 2: Right. And finally, if you want to keep track of
Speaker 2: new content related to a specific name or keyword, Google
Speaker 2: Alerts is amazing. It sends you email notifications whenever something
Speaker 2: new is published online that matches your search criteria.
Speaker 1: So it's like having a personal assistant who's constantly scanning
Speaker 1: the Internet.
Speaker 2: For you exactly. But it's super important to remember that
Speaker 2: all these tools should be used ethically and responsibly. Parental
Speaker 2: monitoring should be a about protecting kids, not invading their privacy.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. It's all about striking that balance between
Speaker 1: safety and respect. Right.
Speaker 2: And one last thing I want to emphasize is that
Speaker 2: kids need to understand that anything they post online, anything
Speaker 2: they share, anything they comment on can potentially stay online forever,
Speaker 2: even if they delete it. It's like a digital footprint
Speaker 2: that's really hard to erase.
Speaker 1: It's a good point. We all need to be mindful
Speaker 1: of our digital footprints, not just kids.
Speaker 2: Absolutely Well, that about wraps up our deep dive into
Speaker 2: personal digital security. Protecting yourself from online crime. We cover
Speaker 2: it a lot of ground today, from securing your devices
Speaker 2: and data, to avoiding phishing scams, to protecting yourself on
Speaker 2: Wi Fi networks, to keeping your kids safe online. We've
Speaker 2: given you a lot to think about.
Speaker 1: It's been a really informative discussion and I feel much
Speaker 1: more equipped to navigate the digital world safely and protect
Speaker 1: my information. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Speaker 2: You got it my pleasure, and remember the key to
Speaker 2: staying safe online is to be informed, be proactive, and
Speaker 2: be vigilant. Stay safe out there, every one.
Speaker 1: And to our listeners, thanks for joining us for another
Speaker 1: deep dive. We'll see next time.