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Speaker 1: got the privilege of talking to Lyle today. Lyle's an
Speaker 1: individual that reached out to me after hearing one of
Speaker 1: my Malala Area episodes from Oregon, and he said, I've
Speaker 1: got some things to share about the Malala Colton, Estacada area,
Speaker 1: and so I've been waiting to talk to Lyle for
Speaker 1: quite a while. But no no rhyming intended, I guess,
Speaker 1: But Lyle, welcome to the show. How's it going man?
Speaker 2: All right? Great, How are you.
Speaker 1: Having having a good day. We're kind of going through
Speaker 1: some snow, but I think you guys are out there too,
Speaker 1: at least a little further south and the will lam it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, we just recently had a snowstorm where
Speaker 2: it's still on the ground as we speak.
Speaker 1: Mmmm. Same here, Lyle. I think from what you were saying,
Speaker 1: we got a lot to talk about today. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to go ahead and you know, hand things right
Speaker 1: over to you. You know, feel free to take us
Speaker 1: back as far as we need to go to when
Speaker 1: this experience has started happening for you, and yeah, you're
Speaker 1: welcome to go right ahead, all.
Speaker 2: Right, thank you. So I'm going to start out with
Speaker 2: back when the first encounter happened and kind of leading
Speaker 2: up to that. I was raised grown up in central Oregon,
Speaker 2: Tumblow to be exact, went to Redmond High School. I
Speaker 2: had a handful of buddies that we did nothing but
Speaker 2: hunting fish growing up. That's all I ever did was
Speaker 2: hunting fish, and we always liked to go in these
Speaker 2: spots that was super hard to get to. We discovered
Speaker 2: early on in our little hunting career that the farther
Speaker 2: away you got from people. That's where the bigger animals
Speaker 2: like to hang out, bucks, bulls. When I say buck, deer,
Speaker 2: and elk. This was over. We'd we'd been hunting deer
Speaker 2: for I don't know, probably five years, four or five
Speaker 2: years together, and we discovered an area. This back This
Speaker 2: is back in the i'd say the late eighties. I
Speaker 2: was like sixteen years old, and we discovered an area
Speaker 2: on the maps. We didn't have digital this on X
Speaker 2: stuff and GPS's and all that. Of course we were young.
Speaker 2: We couldn't afford a lot of that fancier stuff. Anyways,
Speaker 2: we discovered a spot on the map. It was just
Speaker 2: south of Sisters and it was the Three Creeks Wilderness area.
Speaker 2: There's a Three Creeks campground and I think it set
Speaker 2: Three Creeks Reservoir or lake. There was one road that
Speaker 2: back then, there was one road that and it was
Speaker 2: the only road that went out into the middle of
Speaker 2: this wilderness area. It went about two miles out in
Speaker 2: which I say the middle. It was still there was
Speaker 2: still a lot of wilderness out beyond that. So we
Speaker 2: decided we were going to go up and scout it
Speaker 2: just before hunting seasons. So we it was me and
Speaker 2: two other buddies. I did not talk to them before this,
Speaker 2: so I'm going to try not to say their names
Speaker 2: because I don't know if they want me to talk
Speaker 2: to talk about them on this. But we went up
Speaker 2: and we were we decided we were going to scout
Speaker 2: this area see if it was someplace we'd want to
Speaker 2: want to hunt. Well, this road went out into this
Speaker 2: wilderness area, like I was saying, and at the very
Speaker 2: end of it, it dead ended, and then it was
Speaker 2: more or less like a cul de sac. I guess
Speaker 2: that's probably the best way to explain it. It was
Speaker 2: just a big round area where the road ended and
Speaker 2: it was cleared out. It was flat, and this place
Speaker 2: was super thick with the jack pines. It was jackpine
Speaker 2: thicket all the way around this area. So we got out,
Speaker 2: and just to make things a little simple, ME just
Speaker 2: say the three of us, we decided we're going to
Speaker 2: split up, and I told one of my buddies, said, well,
Speaker 2: will you go directly north from here and scout. My
Speaker 2: other buddy said, you go south, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: go straight east, So west would have been the exit
Speaker 2: out of there. So we all split up, and I
Speaker 2: had walked maybe only one hundred, one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: yards into this jack pine thicket, and I heard the
Speaker 2: distinct sound of a deer bounding, and I was stopped
Speaker 2: for a minute and I was listening, and it sally
Speaker 2: goes getting closer and closer to me. So I kind
Speaker 2: of hurried up and got into a spot where I
Speaker 2: could see because it was so thick, and here come
Speaker 2: this dough running right at me. Her tongue was hanging out.
Speaker 2: You could tell she'd been running, something had been running
Speaker 2: her and basically almost ran me over. She could care
Speaker 2: less that I was even there. I was like thinking
Speaker 2: in my head, I was like, huh, that's crazy. Well,
Speaker 2: that's a good sign. We're seeing deer. And so I
Speaker 2: kinda I think I walked maybe another hundred maybe even
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty yards, and I started hearing this talking,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what the heck, how did those
Speaker 2: two thinking My two buddies was out in front of
Speaker 2: me talking, and which made sense to me that it
Speaker 2: was then, because okay, they spooked the deer and that's
Speaker 2: what had that deer coming towards me. Well, as I
Speaker 2: got a little bit closer, I could tell that it
Speaker 2: was they were talking pretty loud, but I couldn't understand
Speaker 2: what they were saying. And I was like, then, ding dongs,
Speaker 2: what the heck are they doing? They're scaring everything away.
Speaker 2: We're out here to scout, dear, not scare them away.
Speaker 2: And so I continued walking closer and closer to them,
Speaker 2: and as I got closer, I could tell. I was like,
Speaker 2: this is not a normal talk. It's like it sounded
Speaker 2: like Chinese, like a foreign language. And there was two
Speaker 2: distinct smaller sounding like almost sounded like kids talking, and
Speaker 2: then there was occasionally this this deeper voice, and I
Speaker 2: was trying. I was just baffled, Like, what in the
Speaker 2: heck I thought? I thought for sure still it was
Speaker 2: my friends, because I knew that there was only one
Speaker 2: road in there. We were several miles in and there
Speaker 2: was no other way for anybody to get in there
Speaker 2: other than hiking from you know, miles and miles and
Speaker 2: miles away. So as I got closer, I whistled and
Speaker 2: just to get their attention. Well, they whistled back, and
Speaker 2: then it went silent. And I was only at this
Speaker 2: time about only about fifty seventy five yards away, but
Speaker 2: it was so thick I couldn't see, so I decided
Speaker 2: I was going to go over there and see who
Speaker 2: it was. If it was somebody, you know, another hiker
Speaker 2: or something like that, then I would ask them how
Speaker 2: the heck they got all the way in there. Well.
Speaker 2: As I proceeded closer to them, I got to where
Speaker 2: I thought they should have been, and there was nobody there.
Speaker 2: So I whistled again, and they whistled back, but this
Speaker 2: time they were like down to basically it be to
Speaker 2: the south of me, and then they started talking again,
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's weird. I know they were
Speaker 2: standing right here, they had to have been, So I turned,
Speaker 2: I start walking back down towards them. I get to
Speaker 2: where I think they should be and they're not there,
Speaker 2: and so I whistle again. No response. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: those two yardbirds are messing with me. They're screwing with me.
Speaker 2: And I continued on scouting throughout the morning, and uh,
Speaker 2: we finally got I finally got back to the truck
Speaker 2: and met up with those two and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm very funny, you ding dongs. You guys were screwing
Speaker 2: it and they're they were looking at me like, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about? And I was like, what night
Speaker 2: you guys it was being idiots back in there, and
Speaker 2: they're like, no, you don't know nothing about it. So
Speaker 2: it kind of blew that off, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: it had to been somebody talking, you know, some other
Speaker 2: hikers or something like that. So we went out this.
Speaker 2: Uh so this was that was probably two weeks before
Speaker 2: season opened, so so that would have been in late September.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing. I can't remember what the dates the deer
Speaker 2: season opened back then. So deer season rolls around. We
Speaker 2: decided we're gonna hunt that. So we show up, We
Speaker 2: drive down that same road, only we're the only rig
Speaker 2: down there. We do the same exact plan, except back
Speaker 2: in this wilderness area there's a big i'd say probably
Speaker 2: two three miles back in there, there was a big
Speaker 2: rock bluff and it was noticeable. You could see it
Speaker 2: from oh if you were on your way in, you
Speaker 2: could look way out and see it, but you could
Speaker 2: see it on the map. We decided we're gonna hunt
Speaker 2: the morning, separate, split up, do the same thing we did,
Speaker 2: and we're going to meet out that rock at that
Speaker 2: rock cliff, you know, late morning, and then we'll figure
Speaker 2: out if we want to go any farther. So I
Speaker 2: take my same path if I did two weeks prior
Speaker 2: to that, and I get probably half a mile in there,
Speaker 2: and I jumped a giant buck This thing was huge
Speaker 2: and it stopped perfect for me, and I ended up
Speaker 2: shooting it. It was actually the biggest bucket to this
Speaker 2: date I've ever shot. So I walk up to it.
Speaker 2: I'm just pumped as all get out, shooting and hollering,
Speaker 2: making all kinds of noise, and so I start gutting it.
Speaker 2: I get it all gutted up, and I think, okay,
Speaker 2: well they heard my shot. My two buddies heard my shot.
Speaker 2: They should be. I would have thought they would have
Speaker 2: already been there by the time I got it gutted
Speaker 2: and I got it all done, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: they hadn't showed up. So I was like, well they
Speaker 2: might not I heard me. They might be, or they
Speaker 2: might be chasing deer as well. So I told myself,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to walk to that rock
Speaker 2: and I'll meet him there and then they can help
Speaker 2: me pack it out. So I start walking. I get
Speaker 2: the deer all gutted, cleaned out. I rolled it over
Speaker 2: to where its belly was down. So then the blood
Speaker 2: ran out and I start walking towards that rock, and
Speaker 2: I get probably three four hundred yards away from my
Speaker 2: deer towards that rock, and I hear somebody talking back
Speaker 2: to where my deer was, and I was like, oh, sweet,
Speaker 2: it's my two buddies. They they're talking. They're there, They're
Speaker 2: there at the deer. They found found it. So I
Speaker 2: turn around, I start hauling, but back to my deer.
Speaker 2: I'm all pumped excited to, you know, share what i'd
Speaker 2: got with those guys. Well, I get back down to
Speaker 2: where my deer was or it was, and my deer
Speaker 2: was gone, and even the guts were gone. The only
Speaker 2: thing that was left was just the blood that had
Speaker 2: drained out the out of the cavity. At that point,
Speaker 2: I was ticked, and that talking sounded exactly like what
Speaker 2: I'd heard two weeks prior to that. So I was
Speaker 2: starting to look around, like somebody freaking stole my deer.
Speaker 2: So I started looking around and I find these footprints,
Speaker 2: but it was only one single footprint. And I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've ever been in the high desert over there,
Speaker 2: the ground over there is kind of like Oh, it's
Speaker 2: it's a it's almost like a baby powder. You step
Speaker 2: in it, you sink about ankle deep, pick your foot up,
Speaker 2: you can't. It just kind of folds back in on itself.
Speaker 2: So I just assumed that somebody had taken my deer.
Speaker 2: So I start tracking it and I cannot catch up
Speaker 2: with this thing, and I'm not Actually, it is pretty clear.
Speaker 2: The footprints were pretty clear, and it was going deeper
Speaker 2: into the wilderness area, not towards the road. So I
Speaker 2: tracked it for a while, and then I was starting
Speaker 2: to think. I was like, man, I don't know, this
Speaker 2: might be pretty stupid me doing this by myself, but
Speaker 2: I mean it was the biggest buck in my life
Speaker 2: at the time, and I was going to shoot whoever
Speaker 2: I was taking, who took this gear. So I tricked
Speaker 2: it for a while and I finally said, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm going to meet my buddies at the rock. We're
Speaker 2: going to try to track this guy down and we're
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna get it. So I met my buddies
Speaker 2: at the rock, told them what had happened, and they
Speaker 2: were like, yeah, we heard you shoot, and we didn't
Speaker 2: know exactly where it was. It was just one shot.
Speaker 2: So we go back down to where it was and
Speaker 2: we start from the beginning. They seeing the blood, they knew,
Speaker 2: and I showed him the track. We start tracking it
Speaker 2: and we tracked this thing for probably a mile mile
Speaker 2: and a half and then all of a sudden there
Speaker 2: was nothing. Well, at the time, it didn't dawn on me.
Speaker 2: Was it was just a trap?
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Speaker 2: This buck was huge. I mean this thing there was
Speaker 2: it would have taken all three of us, so we
Speaker 2: would have to cut it up and pack it out
Speaker 2: of there. There was no dragon it, I mean this
Speaker 2: thing was body wise, it was huge. But it didn't
Speaker 2: dawn on me at the time that there was just footprints,
Speaker 2: no drag barks, So we were I was kicked off
Speaker 2: at the world. There was nothing I could do. We
Speaker 2: tracked as far as we could and then we lost
Speaker 2: the tracks. Couldn't figure out what direction it went, but
Speaker 2: it did go farther out into the wilderness area. So
Speaker 2: we ended up giving up on it and we went
Speaker 2: back and we hunted the rest of that season. There
Speaker 2: never did see anything else, never got any shots at anything.
Speaker 2: So deer season ends. This would have been probably late October.
Speaker 2: This was after elk season, so probably late October early November.
Speaker 2: We decide we're going to go on a grouse hunt.
Speaker 2: So we loaded up our shotguns and this time there
Speaker 2: was four of us for me and three other buddies.
Speaker 2: We decide we're going to go that same area and
Speaker 2: camp there. There was a lot of ground, There was
Speaker 2: a lot of grouse down that road, that one road
Speaker 2: that went two miles back into that wilderness area. So
Speaker 2: we decided we were going to camp there and grouse
Speaker 2: hunt in that same area. So we loaded up all
Speaker 2: over camp and gear. We go. We go up there,
Speaker 2: we set camp up, and this was on a Friday,
Speaker 2: I believe. So we set camp up and we get
Speaker 2: everything all set up, and it was it was towards
Speaker 2: the evening went by the time we got there. We
Speaker 2: get a big old bombfire going in the middle of
Speaker 2: that cul de sac area at the end of that road,
Speaker 2: and we're sitting there just bs and having a good time,
Speaker 2: just enjoying, enjoy being out there, and it got to
Speaker 2: be dark and around ten o'clock I believe, we all
Speaker 2: decided we were going to go to bed, and we
Speaker 2: set up two tents. Each tent was like a little
Speaker 2: two man, two man tent, and so there was two
Speaker 2: of us in one and two of us in the other.
Speaker 2: So we go to bed and we're laying there and
Speaker 2: I'm about ready to go to sleep, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, we hear this big like log snap right
Speaker 2: behind the tents. And at that point I'm thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: it's an elk or deer. Well, next thing, I know,
Speaker 2: a bigger log snap, and it was getting closer to
Speaker 2: the tent, and so I nudged my buddy next to
Speaker 2: me and it's like, you hear that, And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I hear that. I go you think it's an elk
Speaker 2: or something. It sounded big. He's like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it sounds pretty being big to me. I don't know
Speaker 2: what the heck that is. And it starts getting close
Speaker 2: certain closer, and these footfalls were, I mean, you could
Speaker 2: tell it was giant. This thing was. You could almost
Speaker 2: feel it in the ground. Of course, over there back
Speaker 2: in that volcanic area. It's kind of weird that the
Speaker 2: acoustics are different. You can hear foot footfall from a
Speaker 2: ways away, you know, when the deer run, and you
Speaker 2: can hear them really, well, well, this thing keeps getting
Speaker 2: closer and closer. And as it's getting closer, we could
Speaker 2: tell that it was bipedal. It wasn't it wasn't a deer,
Speaker 2: it wasn't an elk, And I yelled. My buddy's in
Speaker 2: the tent next to us, I go, hey, do you
Speaker 2: hear that. They're like, yeah, what is that? And we're like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it it is freaking huge, whatever
Speaker 2: it is. And it gets to where I'm guessing it's
Speaker 2: probably fifty yards behind the tents, and we start playing
Speaker 2: the card where hey, we got guns, We're gonna shoot
Speaker 2: you if you keep coming, you know, making all kinds
Speaker 2: of noise, and it just proceeded to take each step
Speaker 2: it would take it, you know, it would get closer
Speaker 2: and closer and closer, and all of our shotguns, all
Speaker 2: of our weapons are in the vehicles. We didn't have
Speaker 2: anything in the tents as far as weapons go. So
Speaker 2: we're all freaking out because whatever this is is not
Speaker 2: backing away with our human voices yelling at it and
Speaker 2: telling them that we have guns, and all we were
Speaker 2: in is these little two man tents that you know,
Speaker 2: anything could easily get through. So we all are sitting
Speaker 2: there talking, trying to figure out what the hell we
Speaker 2: were going to do, and who was going to be
Speaker 2: the first one out of the tent to get to
Speaker 2: the rig to get a gun. So it gets to
Speaker 2: be where we're thinking, it's got to be only like
Speaker 2: ten feet behind the tent, and I finally I couldn't
Speaker 2: take it. I was freaking out. I was scared to
Speaker 2: death because it sounded like a dinosaur coming at us.
Speaker 2: So we ends up the tent and I go run
Speaker 2: and then we As I go running out the tent,
Speaker 2: I noticed that my other two buddies and the other
Speaker 2: tent they're running to their rigs. And we get to
Speaker 2: the rigs and we open the door, we grab the
Speaker 2: shotguns out, and we're sitting there turning and looking in
Speaker 2: the direction behind the tents and with the fire is
Speaker 2: still going. So I don't know if you've ever seen
Speaker 2: where when you got a fire going in a really
Speaker 2: thick spot, it lights up everything. You can just see
Speaker 2: the surface part of the trees it does. The light
Speaker 2: doesn't really penetrate back into the trees hardly at all.
Speaker 2: So we're sitting there yelling at it, saying we're gonna
Speaker 2: shoot you. We're gonna we're gonna shoot you. We got guns,
Speaker 2: we got lots of AMMO, trying to scare whatever this
Speaker 2: thing is. And I don't know if you've ever I'm
Speaker 2: sure you have watched Jurassic Park where that trannosaurce Rex
Speaker 2: when all the guys are like looking at the trees
Speaker 2: and that thing's like, you know, just crept. Every step
Speaker 2: is louder and louder, and the trees are moving. Well,
Speaker 2: that's what it sounded like. It just kept getting closer
Speaker 2: and closer. It's like, man, nothing should be like cut.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is should be coming out of those trees
Speaker 2: at any second. And finally we had had enough, and
Speaker 2: I think I was the first one, but I just
Speaker 2: started pumping shotgun shells into the I mean shooting, the
Speaker 2: shooting the gun and the trees at that noise, and
Speaker 2: it was like a split second later all three other
Speaker 2: buddies started shooting, and we were just like basically logging
Speaker 2: these jackpines that were all around us in the direction
Speaker 2: that sound was. Well, we stopped and we said we're
Speaker 2: not fooling around. We're going to keep shooting, and it
Speaker 2: still continued to walk and stayed just out of the
Speaker 2: light in those trees, and it was walking all the
Speaker 2: way around this circular pulled the sack area around us.
Speaker 2: We were standing by the fire by our trucks, and
Speaker 2: I bet you I don't to this day, I don't
Speaker 2: know how many shotgun shells we went through, but I
Speaker 2: know that there was like we had empty boxes of
Speaker 2: shotgun shells all over the place out there. We were
Speaker 2: just unloading and this thing just continued to harass us.
Speaker 2: It stayed just inside the trees all the way around.
Speaker 2: So we're like, this is not human. This is not
Speaker 2: an animal. If it was an animal, it would have ran.
Speaker 2: If it would have been a human, it would have
Speaker 2: came out and said, whoa, whoa, boa, it's just me.
Speaker 2: We're playing a prank on you. And so we we
Speaker 2: decided we're gonna let's get out of here. So we
Speaker 2: turned on the rigs and I told one of my
Speaker 2: buddies that was driving, I said, swing your truck around
Speaker 2: and shine your headlights, see if we can like look
Speaker 2: out into the trees a little bit and see if
Speaker 2: we can see what this is. And so he was
Speaker 2: just kind of slowly going in reverse in a circle,
Speaker 2: shining his headlights around this this round the circular area.
Speaker 2: We didn't see anything at all. Well, just as we
Speaker 2: were coming around in full circle and started to head
Speaker 2: out the direction the way we had to get out
Speaker 2: of there. It was both of us at the same time,
Speaker 2: both rigs. We swung around and the headlights were kind
Speaker 2: of pointing down the road heading out of there, and
Speaker 2: there there it was, standing there to the left side,
Speaker 2: next to a tree. And all I remember was at
Speaker 2: that point it was just like panic mode because whatever
Speaker 2: what we were looking at was not real. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not supposed to be real. We had I mean,
Speaker 2: it was just insane just to sit there and be
Speaker 2: staring at it directly in the face. And it's only
Speaker 2: it was only like twenty five thirty yards from us,
Speaker 2: and we had to drive by it to get out
Speaker 2: of there, and we both both of my buddies gassed
Speaker 2: it and we were we went flying out of that
Speaker 2: road and as we were going by, I was looking
Speaker 2: at it in the eyes as we went by, and
Speaker 2: I still can't get that out of my head, just
Speaker 2: looking at it. And anyways, we go out of that
Speaker 2: road and we hit the pavement and we decide we
Speaker 2: kind of stopped and we're like, do you think we're
Speaker 2: far enough away from this thing? Do you think it
Speaker 2: followed us? What do we do? And we'd left everything.
Speaker 2: We left our tents, our coolers full of food, our chairs,
Speaker 2: I mean everything, our sleeping bags, and so that Three
Speaker 2: Creeks Campground was not too far up the road, up
Speaker 2: the pavement from there. So we decide, let's get to
Speaker 2: the campground. Hopefully there's somebody camping there, a camp post
Speaker 2: or something. So we go flying up to the campground
Speaker 2: and we get to the gate. Well there's a gate
Speaker 2: and it was closed through the season, so we decide
Speaker 2: we're just going to sleep right there in the rigs
Speaker 2: and we'll figure out what to do in the morning. Well,
Speaker 2: needless to say, we did not sleep at all. None
Speaker 2: of us slept. We sat there and talked about which
Speaker 2: is kind of weird because when you listen to these podcasts,
Speaker 2: you hear about all these people that have this happen
Speaker 2: and they say they never talk about it, you know,
Speaker 2: or anything. We talked about it non stop. So we
Speaker 2: sat there all night. Finally daylight comes and we decide
Speaker 2: we're gonna go in there fully loaded and get all
Speaker 2: of our stuff and get the heck out of there.
Speaker 2: So we drive in there, we get back back to
Speaker 2: where the camp was and one of the tents, our
Speaker 2: tent was collapsed like it was, it was down. The
Speaker 2: other tent was kind of partially collapsed. It was really loose,
Speaker 2: and we got to looking and there was a bunch
Speaker 2: of sticks and stuff laying around the tent at both
Speaker 2: of them, and so we're like jumping out, We're grabbing
Speaker 2: all of our we're trying to break everything down. We're
Speaker 2: just we're not even really rolling anything up. We're just
Speaker 2: kind of throwing stuff in the back. And we get
Speaker 2: everything loaded up, and it was at that point we
Speaker 2: started kind of feeling a little more at ease because
Speaker 2: it was daylight and we could see what was going on,
Speaker 2: and so I told the guys like it was like,
Speaker 2: let's go, let's look right where that thing was standing
Speaker 2: and see what we see. And so we walked over
Speaker 2: there to the tree and there was clearly a perfect
Speaker 2: footprint right next to this tree. And we started looking
Speaker 2: around and you could see its footprints all the way
Speaker 2: around camp and it basically we kind of tracked it
Speaker 2: and it had been it looked like it just worked
Speaker 2: trail down around this area, just inside the trees. But
Speaker 2: I distinctly remember when we were driving by it, there
Speaker 2: was a little jackpine that was next to it and
Speaker 2: it came up to its chest and you know, so
Speaker 2: obviously the shoulders and head was above this jackpine. Well,
Speaker 2: when we were standing there, that jackpine was the top
Speaker 2: of my head. And at that time, I was probably
Speaker 2: like five ten, I'm guessing something like that. So we're talking.
Speaker 2: We're just like, do we tell somebody about this? What?
Speaker 2: You know, what should we do? And at that point
Speaker 2: I decided I was going to be the one. I
Speaker 2: was going to go tell somebody. So we got all
Speaker 2: of our stuff loaded and we had it out of there.
Speaker 2: We drove all the way into Sisters and we went
Speaker 2: to the forest the Forest Service. There's a force ranger
Speaker 2: station there, and we sat out in the parking lot
Speaker 2: debating on if we should tell anybody and who was
Speaker 2: actually going to tell. And I was like, I'll do it.
Speaker 2: I don't care this, you know, something's got to be
Speaker 2: done about this. So I walk in there and I
Speaker 2: looked at the guy that was there at the counter
Speaker 2: and I was like, I know, I'm just a teenager.
Speaker 2: You're probably not gonna blame or anything. But and I
Speaker 2: told him the story and he looked at me with
Speaker 2: the straight face and he's like, oh, yeah, he goes.
Speaker 2: We get reports like this all the time.
Speaker 1: Big for Society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: And I was like really, and he's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: he goes. It happens all the time around here. And
Speaker 2: I was like, well, there's a clear footprint up there
Speaker 2: if you want to do whatever, if you want to
Speaker 2: take pictures or and he was like, oh no, he goes.
Speaker 2: We got plenty of these, We've got plenty of castings
Speaker 2: from other people. We don't we don't need it. And
Speaker 2: I was like, in my head, I was thinking, what
Speaker 2: the heck, these things aren't real, But yet here's somebody
Speaker 2: telling me that they are real. And I was just
Speaker 2: baffled by it. By that. I couldn't I couldn't quite
Speaker 2: fathom what was going on and what had just happened
Speaker 2: to us. So we go to school the next the
Speaker 2: next week, and we start telling everybody, and I mean,
Speaker 2: we got ridiculed, we got laughed at, we got we're
Speaker 2: a bunch of idiots, and you guys can get you know,
Speaker 2: the story, you know, and so we just quit talking
Speaker 2: about it. We still to this day talk about it
Speaker 2: whenever we see each other. Actually, only one of the
Speaker 2: friends that was with me I actually keep in contact
Speaker 2: with and he remembers it like it was yesterday as well.
Speaker 2: But that was my first encounter.
Speaker 1: Any questions, that is absolutely intense. Have you ever heard
Speaker 1: anything else that sounds like that talking that you heard
Speaker 1: that day?
Speaker 2: Well, the crazy thing is is throughout all my years
Speaker 2: of hunting up until that point and beyond, I have
Speaker 2: heard heard it like a couple other times. But like
Speaker 2: I said, you know, back then, there was no internet.
Speaker 2: I hardly ever even watched TV. The only thing I
Speaker 2: ever seen about Bigfoot was some guy debunked the Patty
Speaker 2: Gimlin film and it was on the news and it
Speaker 2: was a hoax. And that was what I knew of
Speaker 2: Bigfoot at the time. And I didn't know about any
Speaker 2: of this other stuff that supposedly bigfoots do. And it
Speaker 2: wasn't until Finding Bigfoot came on is when I started
Speaker 2: like tree knocks hear I was like, well, I hear
Speaker 2: those all the time, you know, all these whoops and whistles,
Speaker 2: And I mean I had always hear that stuff out
Speaker 2: in the woods, you know, somebody like whistling at me,
Speaker 2: thinking of trying to get my attention, and I look
Speaker 2: and I never could see anybody. But what really freaked
Speaker 2: me out was when that came on and then that
Speaker 2: uh oh, what's the name of the the chat and
Speaker 2: talk Sierra Sounds. Yeah, yeah, when they first did that
Speaker 2: about crap my drawers, because that was basically it wasn't exact,
Speaker 2: but it was close enough to where it freaked me out.
Speaker 2: I was like, holy crap, I was I was actually
Speaker 2: chasing this thing because I was I thought it was
Speaker 2: people you know, and or my buddies. At the time,
Speaker 2: I was just like.
Speaker 1: Whoa, So you have heard the Sierra Sounds and you're
Speaker 1: saying what you heard that day was very similar to
Speaker 1: the Sierra Sounds.
Speaker 2: Yes. So, like I said, there was two of them
Speaker 2: that sounded like almost like kids, like younger like younger people,
Speaker 2: and then there was one that was they would only
Speaker 2: talk ever so often, but it was super but it
Speaker 2: was close enough to those Sierra Sounds where I could
Speaker 2: tell you that that's exactly what it was, just that
Speaker 2: language that I was hearing.
Speaker 1: When you saw the one in the headlights and you
Speaker 1: had to drive by it to get out who in
Speaker 1: the vehicle was the closest to the Bigfoot. When you
Speaker 1: guys drove by.
Speaker 2: The driver, it was on the left side as we
Speaker 2: were like leaving.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, did were you able to see any details of
Speaker 1: the face at all or what did it look like
Speaker 1: specifically when you had the headlights on it?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, no, I can't get it out of
Speaker 2: my head. I know exactly what it looked like. I
Speaker 2: know this is gonna sound stupid, just because after watching
Speaker 2: all these podcasts and these documentaries and things like that,
Speaker 2: the closest one I could tell you what it looked
Speaker 2: like was I don't know if you that Todd standing
Speaker 2: that nobody seems to believe, or like that one that's
Speaker 2: like peeking through this little window that I can't remember.
Speaker 2: He calls it by some name. It's black, but it
Speaker 2: looks it looked just like a like an ancient human
Speaker 2: is what it looked like. It looked like a human.
Speaker 1: So this is really interesting because this now makes the
Speaker 1: second time on the show that someone uses that specific reference,
Speaker 1: the first time being an individual who is looking for
Speaker 1: gold south of Oakridge, so not too far away in
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things. It's a very very interesting
Speaker 1: detail for you to bring up.
Speaker 2: Oh really, Yeah, this I just when I when I
Speaker 2: watch that Todd Standing documentary and I seen that. I mean,
Speaker 2: it just it's almost it's it's almost like an identical
Speaker 2: twin that I that I'm looking at. And my second
Speaker 2: encounter actually looks just like the other one that he shows,
Speaker 2: not the not the not the brown one that's like
Speaker 2: super clear. But it's like, uh, you know, I hate
Speaker 2: to say this, and I'm not not being mean, but
Speaker 2: it's got that it's the color of like an orangutang,
Speaker 2: but it has the face like a down syndrome person has.
Speaker 2: And I'm not being mean about that or anything. I'm
Speaker 2: just that's what it looked like. I think he calls
Speaker 2: that one. I think he calls that one Jane or
Speaker 2: something like a female.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's also really interesting because you're not the only
Speaker 1: one that has you that description in in in the field.
Speaker 1: It's come up a few times and it's very interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a detail that keeps coming up, so I think
Speaker 1: there's there could be something there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, both of my encounters the like that one, they
Speaker 2: they they look different like I said, this one took
Speaker 2: on more of a like an ancient human like it's
Speaker 2: hard to explain. If you've seen that documentary, you'd know
Speaker 2: what I was talking about. But then the other one
Speaker 2: had a different look in the face. But you know,
Speaker 2: just like we all do as humans.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Yeah, we have similar characteristics but then very
Speaker 1: very different features as well. Yeah, that's that's a great
Speaker 1: way to put it. I mean, you hear all these
Speaker 1: big foot encounters and they're similar, yet they are very
Speaker 1: very unique. Those are the questions I have so far. Lyle,
Speaker 1: feel free to continue if you'd like.
Speaker 2: Just one more thing I'd add so so that, like
Speaker 2: I said, its head and shoulders were above that tree,
Speaker 2: so you know, it's it sounds so stereotypical, but I'm
Speaker 2: guessing it was between the eight and nine foot tall range,
Speaker 2: and there was nothing nothing around that tree that he
Speaker 2: could have been standing on. I say, he I don't
Speaker 2: know if it was he or not, but there's nothing
Speaker 2: on that was around there that he could have been
Speaker 2: standing on or you know, elevated himself. So I just
Speaker 2: wanted to add that. As far as like hype and.
Speaker 1: Stuff, you know, I did it come. I did think
Speaker 1: of another question. During that time when you actually had
Speaker 1: the bigfoot in the headlights, did anyone in any of
Speaker 1: the cars start to have any weird out of the
Speaker 1: ordinary physical reaction to seeing what they saw?
Speaker 2: You know? Think it just I don't think they did.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: If they did, it wasn't told to me about it. Sure,
Speaker 2: and out of all the times all this has happened
Speaker 2: to me, I personally have never like felt any different.
Speaker 2: I'm one of those ones that I seem to be
Speaker 2: opposite of what everybody else is like. You know, people
Speaker 2: don't talk about it, which I we did. We talked.
Speaker 2: We still to this day talk about it like we
Speaker 2: couldn't shut up about it. And you hear all these
Speaker 2: other people that were with friends or something like that,
Speaker 2: and they never say a word about it. I do
Speaker 2: believe that a lot of the stuff that people are
Speaker 2: feeling is the amount of fear and adrenaline is going
Speaker 2: through your body. I think a lot of that feeling
Speaker 2: that people think is in for sound or whatever is
Speaker 2: just coming down off of that that that adrenaline that
Speaker 2: that they're producing. At the time. It's such a such
Speaker 2: a shock to your system because you're witnessing something that
Speaker 2: you've been told all your life that doesn't even exist,
Speaker 2: and it's facing you, and you're facing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's right there. And just imagine if
Speaker 1: you had had that sighting, not being in a vehicle,
Speaker 1: not having that that almost false sense of security. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't take much for it to take a vehicle apart.
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, that's not going to really
Speaker 1: save you, I think.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, no, And that's the way I look
Speaker 2: at it nowadays. Is I back when that happened, it
Speaker 2: took me forever to get to where I would really
Speaker 2: felt comfortable even going out by myself. But I've gotten
Speaker 2: to the point now where if this thing was out
Speaker 2: to kill you or hurtya, it would have done that
Speaker 2: to me a long time ago. The amount of time
Speaker 2: I spent out in the woods and all the experiences
Speaker 2: I've had, I'd been gone a long time ago. And
Speaker 2: I hear, you know, people talking about, well, if you
Speaker 2: shoot at one, you're in big trouble. Well, we shot
Speaker 2: at one numerous times, but I'm guessing thirty plus rounds
Speaker 2: and we're still here. It never it never did anything
Speaker 2: as far as like it didn't wasn't aggressive. It was
Speaker 2: almost like it was just curious and it was just
Speaker 2: just wanted to watch us.
Speaker 1: It's a very lucky situation. I've taken a report from
Speaker 1: an individual where one of his friends opened fire in
Speaker 1: the Packwood, Washington area and then shot it in the face,
Speaker 1: and then later on this individual was thrown in the
Speaker 1: woods about ten feet by something they couldn't see. And
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't you can you can guess what
Speaker 1: that would have been. You're one of the lucky, unique
Speaker 1: situations to be able to do something like that and
Speaker 1: not have something happened to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah to hear, Okay, Well, I'll go on to my
Speaker 2: second encounter. Sure, this one, this one I don't talk
Speaker 2: about too much because I was by myself. The only
Speaker 2: reason I like my wife and kids. They all have
Speaker 2: heard that story a gazillion times because they all all
Speaker 2: have me tell their friends and they're you know, oh,
Speaker 2: Dad telling them your bigfoot story. Well, this one I
Speaker 2: keep quiet about, and I don't think I've ever told
Speaker 2: anybody this one, just because I was by myself, and
Speaker 2: it's kind of It's one of those things that I
Speaker 2: pretty much just kept myself because I had the experience
Speaker 2: of the first one telling people about it, and I
Speaker 2: had three other buddies with me with that one, this
Speaker 2: one being by myself. I can only imagine the kind
Speaker 2: of crap I would I would get from telling this story,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna tell anyways. So, like everybody already knows,
Speaker 2: I live out here in Malala, and there is a
Speaker 2: spot up a road big.
Speaker 1: For society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: It's called will Hoite Road. And there was a spot
Speaker 2: that I used to love to hunt up there. It
Speaker 2: always kind of gave me the creepy feeling. It's super big, tall,
Speaker 2: old growth uh fir trees. I don't know why why
Speaker 2: it does, but every time I go in there, I
Speaker 2: just kind of felt creepy. But I love to hunt
Speaker 2: it because there was lots of alkam, lots of deer
Speaker 2: in there all the time. Well, I went up there
Speaker 2: one day by myself. It was a deer season and
Speaker 2: I was sneaking up through the old growth fur. And
Speaker 2: in the underneath this old growth fur, there's it's just
Speaker 2: a sea of ferns and the ferns are probably three
Speaker 2: foot tall. And I was walking uphill and as I
Speaker 2: was walking uphill, I was looking at the ground and
Speaker 2: looking for, you know, sign seeing if the if the
Speaker 2: deer had been moving through there, if they elk had
Speaker 2: been moving through there, and this little bowl shaped area,
Speaker 2: it's probably i'd say a hundred by a hundred yards,
Speaker 2: and I could see the whole face of the hillside
Speaker 2: all the way around me. Well, as I'm walking through
Speaker 2: the ferns, I'm looking down to the ground and I
Speaker 2: just start to pick my head up, and in the
Speaker 2: corner of my eye, I catch movement and as I
Speaker 2: start to turn my head, look what I saw was.
Speaker 2: I thought what I saw was a bear, and it
Speaker 2: was by this big fir tree. And if you ever
Speaker 2: seen a bear coming down out of a tree, when
Speaker 2: it just right when it touches the ground, its rear
Speaker 2: legs are on the ground and its front legs are
Speaker 2: up above its head still hanging under the tree. Well,
Speaker 2: that's the position it was in when I first seen it.
Speaker 2: And right when I my eyes looked at it, that
Speaker 2: was my first thought was bear. And I whip my
Speaker 2: rifle off, and I had a bear tag. I've always
Speaker 2: had a bear I always have a bear tag, and
Speaker 2: that the season runs during deer season, and so I
Speaker 2: ripped my rifle off and as I'm ripping my rifle
Speaker 2: off and swinging to shoot shoot this bear, it comes
Speaker 2: down off of the tree. And as it's coming off
Speaker 2: the tree is when it looks at me, and I
Speaker 2: could see that it had hands and it had a face,
Speaker 2: and it went from bear to holy you know what.
Speaker 2: It's bigfoot And this thing is only fifty yards from me,
Speaker 2: and it went down to onto all fours and it
Speaker 2: went behind this tall ferns and I had my gun
Speaker 2: up and in my mind, I'm going to do I
Speaker 2: shoot it? Do I shoot it? What do I do?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Okay, this thing's going to come out
Speaker 2: somewhere I'll be able to see it. Because I could
Speaker 2: see the whole hillside and there was there was no
Speaker 2: place for to go other than on the hill side.
Speaker 2: It it had to leave. Well, the ferns moved just
Speaker 2: for a split second when it went behind the ferns.
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting there, you know, my eyes are just
Speaker 2: like scanning, like where is this thing? And I'm looking
Speaker 2: for it and I never see anything come out. And
Speaker 2: so I start slowly creeping up to my left and
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to get above it where I
Speaker 2: can look down onto it. And as I'm sneaking around,
Speaker 2: I got I mean, my eyes are like all over
Speaker 2: the place, just seeing if this thing's going to escape anywhere,
Speaker 2: and I don't see anything. And I make it all
Speaker 2: the way around three hundred and sixty degrees, all the
Speaker 2: way around where this thing went behind these ferns, and
Speaker 2: I never saw anything. And so I finally got the
Speaker 2: courage up and I started sneaking up to where it
Speaker 2: actually was, and there was nothing there. It just like
Speaker 2: it just like vanished. But it was so crystal clear
Speaker 2: when I seen it. And when it came down, it
Speaker 2: went to all fours and it went behind that those ferns.
Speaker 2: I mean, I could still to this day see it
Speaker 2: in my in my head, and I don't know what
Speaker 2: the heck would happen. Where'd it get? You know, I
Speaker 2: don't know where it went to this day I could,
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you. And as big as it was,
Speaker 2: you would have seen the ferns move, you would have
Speaker 2: seen it come out on the hillside. I had a
Speaker 2: wide open hillside that it had. The only other way
Speaker 2: would have been right past me. And it never came
Speaker 2: past me. And that's why I don't ever talk about
Speaker 2: it because it sounds so far fetched that I think
Speaker 2: everybody's like got that mindset like, oh yeah, what were
Speaker 2: you smoking, what were you drinking? You know, it's just
Speaker 2: so I just never talk about it. But that was
Speaker 2: my second sighting, and that's the one that it was
Speaker 2: a reddish color. It looked kind of like a rain
Speaker 2: a tang color the hair, but the face looked like
Speaker 2: that Todd Standing's Jane that he calls her. I think
Speaker 2: it had that kind of down syndrome. Me look to
Speaker 2: its face. That's my second sighting.
Speaker 1: What was this sound like in the woods that day.
Speaker 2: Well, it was it was super like misty, kind of
Speaker 2: like a fog misty. You could just hear like rain drops.
Speaker 2: Just it's just like doe, this we get this do
Speaker 2: over here that we'll sit on the leaves and then
Speaker 2: it'll build up and then it drips. And that was
Speaker 2: the only it was dead quiet other than.
Speaker 1: That from what you saw the point when you had
Speaker 1: seen you know, it comes off the tree, it has hands,
Speaker 1: has a face. Do you remember any details that stick
Speaker 1: out in your mind that made you think, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is not a bear. What I'm seeing in the face
Speaker 1: right now is totally different.
Speaker 2: I was able to lock my eyes on it. Just
Speaker 2: for the other thing I forgot to mention was as
Speaker 2: my eyes were coming up and actually visually seeing this
Speaker 2: thing it, there was like a tree knock and it
Speaker 2: sounded like it came from that that that thing, that bigfoot,
Speaker 2: But there was nothing in its hand as far as
Speaker 2: like a stick or anything. So which kind of leads
Speaker 2: me to think that there are these tree knocks that
Speaker 2: people talk about. I think they're doing it with their
Speaker 2: mouth or something. Because it was so loud that knock
Speaker 2: when it happened, it had to have been that one
Speaker 2: right there, you know. It had to been that that
Speaker 2: animal there that made the noise. Is it was so loud.
Speaker 2: It was just like right there when it happened. And
Speaker 2: but as as I heard that is when I was
Speaker 2: seeing it, but nothing fell out of its hands, like
Speaker 2: it was like it would have hit something with a stick,
Speaker 2: you know, if it would have a stick, I would
Speaker 2: have thought that I would see like a stick, you know,
Speaker 2: flying out of its hands or falling out of its hands. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I think I had a
Speaker 2: buddy back in high school that could do this thing
Speaker 2: with this tongue he had sucked his tongue up against
Speaker 2: the roof of his mouth, and he had just and
Speaker 2: it would just I mean, he would actually almost make
Speaker 2: it deaf. It just blow your ear drums out. And
Speaker 2: it's kind of what I'm leaning towards on this knocking
Speaker 2: thing after seeing that.
Speaker 1: You know, I agree with you. There's more than a
Speaker 1: few people in the community that are throwing around theories
Speaker 1: like you know, what you just said, or sometimes having
Speaker 1: its hands in front of its face so it can
Speaker 1: make like some kind of you know, clap his hands,
Speaker 1: or maybe even I think there's some individuals out there
Speaker 1: that think there might be like some kind of air
Speaker 1: sack that it can you know, inflate in its throat.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that one a lot, but what you said,
Speaker 1: I've heard that more than a few times. It's very interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it was so loud and clear when it happened,
Speaker 2: and it was it was obvious that that bigfoot made
Speaker 2: that sound. But I did not see anything in its
Speaker 2: hand was so which leads me to believe that it
Speaker 2: was doing it somehow through its mouth or or or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know how, you know, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: even that's all speculation. I'm just guessing, but it was.
Speaker 2: I've seen it enough to know that it wasn't hitting
Speaker 2: the tree with a stick, but it made that sound
Speaker 2: like it hit the tree with a stick.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. What approximate year was this again?
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm gonna say the early two thousand's, Okay. I
Speaker 2: couldn't tell you what it was before I had hounds,
Speaker 2: so I'm going to say like two thousand and four,
Speaker 2: two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: I think it's important to point out real quick for
Speaker 1: listeners that Lyle is not a bigfoot researcher. He is
Speaker 1: a lifelong hunter in these you know, he does listen
Speaker 1: to some bigfoot media, but he's not a researcher. He
Speaker 1: is primarily a hunter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I've never until that finding bigfoot came out,
Speaker 2: I I didn't even know that there was even a
Speaker 2: possibility that bigfoot made tree knocks or whoops or whistles
Speaker 2: or any of that stuff I had through rocks, I mean,
Speaker 2: even the chatter, the talking. I knew nothing about it,
Speaker 2: nor did I care to even learn. But until that happened,
Speaker 2: and I started putting all these pieces together of stuff
Speaker 2: that had happened to me over the years. I was
Speaker 2: just like, holy crap, I cannot believe all this stuff
Speaker 2: has been happening, and I had no clue.
Speaker 1: It is always interesting in conversations like this, you know
Speaker 1: how there's a point when the individual starts to put
Speaker 1: everything together. But it's been a fascinating conversation so far, Loud,
Speaker 1: Did you have any other things happen after that?
Speaker 2: Those are the only two actual physical sightings I've had,
Speaker 2: But I've had other crazy things happen to me. I
Speaker 2: got into hound hunting several years ago, and up in
Speaker 2: this same area. Well, this is up the mall core
Speaker 2: or used to We used to do a lot of
Speaker 2: bobcat hunting and I had I used to hunt with
Speaker 2: several buddies that had hounds, and these hounds were bear dogs.
Speaker 2: There were cat dogs. These dogs had zero fear of anything.
Speaker 2: These dogs would you know, you'd catch a bear on
Speaker 2: the ground, they'd catch a bear on the ground and
Speaker 2: be right in that bear's face, just baying it up,
Speaker 2: going crazy. Well, one night we were up hound hunting
Speaker 2: and the dogs struck and they were going crazy, and
Speaker 2: we turned them out and they went running up on
Speaker 2: this up on the hill, up on this bluff and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you hear all this yipping and
Speaker 2: yiping and like something was hurting them. And here they
Speaker 2: come running back down the hill, tails between their legs
Speaker 2: and they bailed back in the truck. It was like,
Speaker 2: I we could not get them back out of the truck.
Speaker 2: And they actually refused to come back out of that box.
Speaker 2: All night long. They would they wouldn't even say a peep,
Speaker 2: which is completely like it just doesn't happen. Well, a
Speaker 2: buddy of mine. As a little spoof, they went and
Speaker 2: got I think it was a gorilla costume, and they
Speaker 2: were doing this little video and they had their hounds
Speaker 2: on their truck and they had this guy that was
Speaker 2: dressed up in a grilla suit run out in front
Speaker 2: of them and their video in it. And the dogs
Speaker 2: struck and I'm assuming they thought it was a bear.
Speaker 2: They ran across the road and when they turned those
Speaker 2: dogs loose, they tore off after it. And as soon
Speaker 2: as they got close enough where he had stepped back
Speaker 2: out onto the road and they could see that it
Speaker 2: was like an upright gorilla, those dogs like hit the brakes,
Speaker 2: started to yipping, wheeled around and did that exact same
Speaker 2: thing back to the truck, and they were like whimpering.
Speaker 2: It was like they had seen it before and then
Speaker 2: like they knew exactly what it was and they did
Speaker 2: not want anything to do with it, which is just
Speaker 2: totally crazy to me, because these dogs they're just insane.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're fearless, which I thought was pretty interesting
Speaker 2: seeing that. Another another thing that had happened to us
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, my wife and I we
Speaker 2: went up deer She went up deer hunting with me,
Speaker 2: and we were driving down the road up by Table
Speaker 2: Rock Wilderness area and it was a weekday and we
Speaker 2: were the only ones up there when there was a
Speaker 2: slight skiff of snow on the road and we're putting
Speaker 2: up this little, this old logging road. Nobody had on it.
Speaker 2: We're the first truck on it.
Speaker 1: Big for Society will be right back after these messages, And.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I catched something coming towards my windshield.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a bird, and I'm like, oh, crap,
Speaker 2: And before I could say crap, it had hit my
Speaker 2: window and it was an actual rock and it hit
Speaker 2: my windshield dead centered it and it slid down my
Speaker 2: windshield onto the plate where your wipers are. And my
Speaker 2: wife looked at me and she goes, is that what
Speaker 2: I think that was? And I was like, I think so,
Speaker 2: I mean that was a rock and she saw it
Speaker 2: coming too, and it was thrown. So it was thrown
Speaker 2: and it came off the hillside, which it's all all trees,
Speaker 2: but you could not you could not hit my windshield
Speaker 2: more dead center than that rock did. That was another
Speaker 2: crazy one that had happened to us. Another crazy experience
Speaker 2: we had was it was archery season, which is September
Speaker 2: hotter and heck out. My father in law and I
Speaker 2: we decided we were going to go. I'd found these
Speaker 2: elk in this swamp area up in this timber company
Speaker 2: that it used to be walking only you couldn't drive
Speaker 2: in there. I had walked up in there and I'd
Speaker 2: found a pretty good size heard elk up in this
Speaker 2: swamp area. And it was so hot out that that
Speaker 2: at that time of the year it was getting down
Speaker 2: it was still like in the eighties at night. So
Speaker 2: we decided, well, let's walk up in there. This was
Speaker 2: Friday afternoon. Let's walk up in there. We'll get up
Speaker 2: in there just before daylight and we'll just sack out
Speaker 2: underneath the tree. We'll wake up and we'll be right
Speaker 2: there on them first thing in the morning. So my
Speaker 2: father in law, he's been in the woods his whole
Speaker 2: life as well, his father in law and all that.
Speaker 2: He actually was one of the guys ran this same
Speaker 2: timber company, well not the same company, but the same
Speaker 2: land for many many years. He had been all over
Speaker 2: up in there. So we walk up in there, and
Speaker 2: we get up in there, and we find a perfect
Speaker 2: spot just to lay down and crash out for the night.
Speaker 2: And it got to be about ten o'clock and we
Speaker 2: were getting eaten by the mosquitoes. The mosquitoes were just
Speaker 2: absolutely horrible, and all of a sudden, I don't know
Speaker 2: the exact time, I'm guessing it was around eleven, maybe twelve,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden we hear this, I want to say, scream,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't a scream. It was more like a roar.
Speaker 2: And the only thing I can describe it is like
Speaker 2: that Ohio howl. But it was so freaking loud. It
Speaker 2: was like insanely loud, and it was coming from that
Speaker 2: same swamp that I had found those elkin And my
Speaker 2: father in law was like, I had to have been
Speaker 2: a bear, right, And I was like, yeah, no, that
Speaker 2: wasn't a bear. I you know, hound hunted. I heard
Speaker 2: plenty of bears and cougars and all that stuff. Knew
Speaker 2: exactly what they sounded like. But this thing was it
Speaker 2: was insanely loud, like it shook your guts tight loudness.
Speaker 2: And it was still a ways off that swamp was
Speaker 2: We were still probably a quarter mile away from that swamp,
Speaker 2: and that's where exactly where it sounded like. But it
Speaker 2: was so loud that it's still reverberated in your chest.
Speaker 2: It was so loud.
Speaker 1: You may have heard me talk about before. I've I
Speaker 1: think I've heard something similar in the Lammette down by Oakridge.
Speaker 1: It just the way that affects you as nuts physically,
Speaker 1: it's just oh yeah, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah. And of course we had to spend
Speaker 2: the rest of the night. I took the only thing
Speaker 2: we had. It was archery season. Also the only thing
Speaker 2: we had was bow and arrows, and so I took
Speaker 2: I think I took two arrows out and I slept
Speaker 2: with one arrow in each hand sticking straight out from me,
Speaker 2: and I actually I didn't even sleep I just sat
Speaker 2: there all night and I didn't know what else to do.
Speaker 2: I wasn't about ready to walk out of there, because
Speaker 2: we were a couple miles in and we didn't I
Speaker 2: don't even think we had a headlight. I don't think
Speaker 2: we even brought a headlight. We want super light. But
Speaker 2: we just laid there all night long waiting for it
Speaker 2: to get daylight. And actually, after it got daylight, I
Speaker 2: looked at him. I was like, you're ready to go hunt,
Speaker 2: and he's like, no, let's get out of here. He
Speaker 2: didn't want anything to do with going into that after hearing.
Speaker 1: That, Wow, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then in that same area, oh, it was
Speaker 2: several years later they opened it up to a permit
Speaker 2: and so you could drive in there. Well, I had
Speaker 2: went in there with a couple buddies. We were deer hunting,
Speaker 2: and I ran across this herd of bucks. There was
Speaker 2: probably ten or twelve bucks in it, and we decided
Speaker 2: we were going to hunt this timbered ridge that kind
Speaker 2: of ran and it was actually right behind that swamp
Speaker 2: that I was talking about. And we get to walking
Speaker 2: down that ridge and my buddies are off to my left,
Speaker 2: and I was right on top of that ridge, and
Speaker 2: I'm walking down and I get to this area and
Speaker 2: there is crap everywhere, and this stuff was like this
Speaker 2: when I say it feces crap, this stuff was like
Speaker 2: the size of a pop can and it was literally
Speaker 2: like in piles everywhere. And as I got to looking around,
Speaker 2: I watched this documentary. I think it's the is it
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot Project or I can't remember. It's up in
Speaker 2: the on the peninsula where they find these nests.
Speaker 1: Oh, the Olympic Project.
Speaker 2: Yeah there, yeah, there you go, there you go. And
Speaker 2: I found the nest and it was woven with like
Speaker 2: fur boughs and stuff like that. But there was like
Speaker 2: literally you could see mounds probably a foot and a
Speaker 2: half two foot tall of animal crap and it was,
Speaker 2: you know, spread out all over the place in there,
Speaker 2: and it was super thick. But there was a nest
Speaker 2: in there. Well, I got my buddies over there and
Speaker 2: go look at this. What was this? And I still
Speaker 2: at that point didn't know anything about all this stuff,
Speaker 2: and they're like, it has to be bear. I mean,
Speaker 2: and that's what I thought it was, was a bear.
Speaker 2: But watching that documentary, I'm pretty positive that that was
Speaker 2: a nest and it was right on Like I said,
Speaker 2: it was right on top of a ridge behind that swamp,
Speaker 2: and there was zero roads. It was pretty hard to
Speaker 2: get to. And with all the other experiences that have
Speaker 2: been happening up there, I'm pretty positive that was the
Speaker 2: nest we stumbled on. Of course, you know, I didn't
Speaker 2: know anything about it, so I didn't even think to
Speaker 2: take pictures or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's it's a Hindsight's twenty twenty thing. Did
Speaker 1: you say this is also in the table Rock Wilderness
Speaker 1: area or something a completely different area?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, so table Rock Wilderness is on I
Speaker 2: think the south side of the river. I was on
Speaker 2: the north side of the river. Okay, it's a little
Speaker 2: creek called Bower Creek. Warehouser's the timber company Bower Creek
Speaker 2: b a U E R e R, I believe, or
Speaker 2: maybe it's b a U R e R.
Speaker 1: This also early two thousands, probably.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, it dumps into Pine Creek. Uh, yeah, I
Speaker 2: believe it. I think I think it into Pine Pinekirk Canyon,
Speaker 2: which is where Pinekirk is, which is where when you
Speaker 2: watch I think it's finding Bigfoot. That was the other
Speaker 2: thing that was kind of if you follow that ridge
Speaker 2: down it comes out there. There's a guy that talks
Speaker 2: about seeing a bigfoot and they're standing at that bridge
Speaker 2: at Pinekirk Bridge. He doesn't say it's Pinekirk Bridge, but
Speaker 2: that's where it's at where he had an encounter while
Speaker 2: he was fishing right there, And that was on that
Speaker 2: finding bigfoot. I think he said he's seeing red glowing eyes.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing, is all this stuff that's happened
Speaker 2: to me, I've never like that, I that I can remember.
Speaker 2: I never had uh smells anything off. You know, never
Speaker 2: you hear people talking about they have the the smell,
Speaker 2: this horrible smell. I never found like other than that
Speaker 2: one the first experience I've had. I've never found like
Speaker 2: a definite footprint. I've definitely ran into stuff that, you know,
Speaker 2: it looked like it, but I couldn't tell you one
Speaker 2: hundred percent if it was or not. Yeah, that same spot,
Speaker 2: that Pinekreek Canyon where that guy was, just up the
Speaker 2: river from there, I was fishing salmon fishing, and I
Speaker 2: parked my rig and walked down. It was probably one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty yards down to the river, and I
Speaker 2: had rocks thrown into the river while I was fishing,
Speaker 2: and Never I actually was yelling at him like, hey,
Speaker 2: a hole, you know, knock it off. I'm down here fishing.
Speaker 2: Never I went walking back up thinking I'd see somebody
Speaker 2: park by my rig, and there was nobody that I
Speaker 2: could find. So, you know, all that stuff is stuff
Speaker 2: that I couldn't tell you one hundred percent that it
Speaker 2: was bigfoot or if it was somebody throwing rocks. A
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff I can't A lot of those,
Speaker 2: you know, the whistles that I've heard over the years.
Speaker 2: You know that some of the tree knocks that could
Speaker 2: have been I've been in the woods where I've heard
Speaker 2: the trees creaking and it sounded like a wood knock
Speaker 2: and I'm like, huh, that must have been what I've
Speaker 2: been here and all this time. But I mean, you
Speaker 2: never know, it seems like a lot of people are
Speaker 2: are having the same experiences.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, especially over the years in this area. It's
Speaker 1: just I mean, I've I've talked to multiple individuals that
Speaker 1: have had just wild stuff happen in this Molaala area.
Speaker 1: We were talking about this beforehand, and I think it
Speaker 1: might be good to mention it as well, this entire
Speaker 1: Malala River Corridor area has been burned recently. Correct.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's why I don't really mind sharing
Speaker 2: where this stuff is at because it's basically moonscape now
Speaker 2: from the fires we had in twenty twenty. You know,
Speaker 2: there's really nothing left of it up here. There's it's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it was bad, it's bad. It's pretty much gone now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that to say, guys, you're not going to be
Speaker 1: able to drive up there and find the next Olympic
Speaker 1: Project Bigfoot in s site probably, Yeah, it's all been burned,
Speaker 1: So heads up on that. Guys. Did you have any
Speaker 1: other things you were wanting to share as well?
Speaker 2: Lyle, there is one other so I'd send you an
Speaker 2: email back. A couple of years or several years ago,
Speaker 2: my kids, we're still young. We it to Colton High School.
Speaker 2: It was for I want to say, it was a
Speaker 2: wrestling tournament or something. Well, when I walked in there,
Speaker 2: the front fourier, the entrance area, there was a big
Speaker 2: it was actually a pretty big bigfoot display there and
Speaker 2: at the time I didn't really think much of it,
Speaker 2: but I went up this I used to hunt up
Speaker 2: this road. It's called hillock Burn Road. It's up out
Speaker 2: of Colton and Elwood, and I was driving up Hillock
Speaker 2: Burn one year it was archery season and I ran
Speaker 2: into this old guy that was living in a camp
Speaker 2: trailer and he was the night watchman slash security guy
Speaker 2: for the loggers that were up there. He kind of
Speaker 2: watched the equipment and the site forum, and I kind
Speaker 2: of befriended him because he obviously lived up there and
Speaker 2: I was trying to get information. I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: you see me elk out here? And he always the
Speaker 2: first couple of times I talked to him, I'd asked
Speaker 2: him to say, hey, you see me ol because here
Speaker 2: and he's like, no, but I've seen Bigfoot. And he
Speaker 2: was one of those old guys that kind of like
Speaker 2: the way he talked and stuff. You were like, Okay,
Speaker 2: is this guy. I think he's kind of out there type.
Speaker 2: And I think it was like the third or fourth
Speaker 2: time i'd stopped and talked to him. He's like, let
Speaker 2: me show you. Let me show you. These suckers were
Speaker 2: in here. And he took me down this little tiny
Speaker 2: trail it used to be a road that's all grown
Speaker 2: up now, and he was showing me all these trees
Speaker 2: that were snapped over at the tops were snapped over
Speaker 2: and they're all twisted, and I at that, you know,
Speaker 2: just like I said, back at that time, I didn't
Speaker 2: know that that's what Bigfoot was associated, that that's type
Speaker 2: of stuff was associated with Bigfoot. And when I finding
Speaker 2: Bidfoot came out, started kind of looking into all these
Speaker 2: documentaries where I found this old documentary and I was
Speaker 2: trying to find it so I can tell you, but
Speaker 2: I can't. I wasn't able to find it. It starts
Speaker 2: out with this kind of this guy playing drugs drums.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was like, this is the Henry Franzoni one.
Speaker 1: I knew it the whole time you were talking. I
Speaker 1: was like, it's the guy from the Henry Franzoni documentary.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that guy was on there. I was like, dude,
Speaker 2: freaking kidding. I knew same guy.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I just knew it when you were describing him.
Speaker 2: So that whole documentary was off of Hillock Burn, that
Speaker 2: same road.
Speaker 1: No way, yeah, oh man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which was which kind of blew me away. I
Speaker 2: was like, what the heck is going on? Why do
Speaker 2: I you know, Like like you said, I'm not a researcher,
Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, me and my family go out
Speaker 2: and we do it. We we've had experiences which I'll
Speaker 2: probably have to say for another time, but uh, we
Speaker 2: go out and just kind of do it for fun
Speaker 2: now but when there's nothing else to do. But yeah,
Speaker 2: all this stuff is so crazy.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm getting a little bit excited, so I'm going
Speaker 1: to try not to interrupt. But so is this hillock
Speaker 1: Burn Spring.
Speaker 2: It's not. I don't think it's. It's just hillock Burn Road,
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's not like off of Forest Road forty six.
Speaker 2: Ah, it very well could be. So if you go
Speaker 2: due north out of Colton, Okay, there'll be. I think
Speaker 2: it's I want to say, five miles out of Colton
Speaker 2: towards Estacada. Yep, it's hillock Burn Road. And you take
Speaker 2: a ride on that and you stay on that takes
Speaker 2: you back up oh by Goat Mountain. Oh yeah, great
Speaker 2: Green Mountain and that country up and.
Speaker 1: There hotly Mackerel. So, Okay, this is wild because, as
Speaker 1: I said, I think this might have been off air.
Speaker 1: But I'm reading the Oregon Bigfoot Highway book again, which
Speaker 1: is Forest Road forty six and then it goes to
Speaker 1: but it's pretty much like the craziest Bigfoot area in
Speaker 1: that part of the Pacific Northwest. And I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to see I'm gonna have to Okay, here it is
Speaker 1: forty six and then Route two two four, so you
Speaker 1: like take forty six through Ripplebrook and then eventually it
Speaker 1: dumps you out at Detroit Lake. But that's crazy. So
Speaker 1: to know that that's my favorite Bigfoot documentary. Dude is heady.
Speaker 1: Franzonia got to talk to him a few times. He
Speaker 1: was a great, a great guy. He's no longer with us,
Speaker 1: But to know that that I always wanted to know
Speaker 1: where that area was and for you just to drop that,
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, you are incredible, my friend. I always
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to that dude in the documentary. But
Speaker 1: it's like he's long gone. He's got to be long gone.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, that was years ago. Super
Speaker 2: nice guy, kind of like I said, kind of kind
Speaker 2: of out there. And when I've seen that, I just
Speaker 2: felt fell out of my chair.
Speaker 1: Because you know, yeah, you know he's seen stuff, like
Speaker 1: the way the guy, the type of guy he is.
Speaker 1: He he was having stuff happen all the time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it was so matter of fact
Speaker 2: like he did. He didn't even like, well, I don't
Speaker 2: know type attitude. I mean, it was like, this is
Speaker 2: what's happening, this is what they're doing. It is like
Speaker 2: he he knew exactly what was going on and who
Speaker 2: they were and what they what they were all about.
Speaker 1: Incredible, my goodness. I will also say the listeners, all
Speaker 1: these areas a lot of these areas that are being
Speaker 1: talked about are hard to get to. And it's not
Speaker 1: just a thing where it's like I'm going to go
Speaker 1: out there and do whatever. You need to be prepared
Speaker 1: for survival situations in some of these situations, so just
Speaker 1: be careful. I would recommend getting the Oregon Big Foo
Speaker 1: Highway talks about it. It's a great book.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll definitely look into that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you would love it.
Speaker 2: Man. I know we're running out. Yeah, I know, we're
Speaker 2: running out of time, and uh, maybe I'll maybe plan
Speaker 2: another one where I can talk about all my family's experiences.
Speaker 1: And we got the family stuff too. Yeah. Can I
Speaker 1: ask you one one more question while I got you,
Speaker 1: just in case, and this is going to be a
Speaker 1: left curveball whatever, whatever the analogy is. Do you know
Speaker 1: of any bigfoot activity that's happened over the years down
Speaker 1: by Subtle Lake? Are you familiar with that area?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I've used to hunt that all
Speaker 2: the time. I've had a few, not not cutting dried experiences,
Speaker 2: but things like I've been talking about happen there. I
Speaker 2: have several friends that have told me stories about things
Speaker 2: that have happened out there. I'd have to get with
Speaker 2: those guys and ask them if it's okay. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I talk to them.
Speaker 1: I respect that. Yeah, absolutely, you always want to check that. Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: Just you know, all these buddies I talk about it
Speaker 2: was with me. I didn't ask them, and I you know,
Speaker 2: with the amount of crappy git from talking about this stuff,
Speaker 2: I hate to drop start dropping and and everything without
Speaker 2: anybody's permission.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to tell you the truth, I would edit. I
Speaker 1: usually end up editing the names out more recently, just
Speaker 1: because it's like, I mean, if it's if it's secondhand
Speaker 1: stuff you never know, right, and especially a weird name, Yeah,
Speaker 1: track those down.
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, like like my name with my name,
Speaker 2: I mean it's like everybody's going to know exactly who
Speaker 2: who's talking here. It's not like a like a Brian
Speaker 2: where there's a gazillion Brian's. But yeah, there's not too
Speaker 2: many Lyles out there.
Speaker 1: Lyle, this has been a we got we got to have.
Speaker 1: If you're up for, we got to have another conversation.
Speaker 1: I've got a whole list of Yeah, yeah, we could
Speaker 1: definitely talk again if you're up for. I'd love to
Speaker 1: talk to you about your family's experiences.
Speaker 2: And like I said, there's a lot more.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we got to have you back. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you spending some time on your Saturday talking about some
Speaker 1: of my favorite areas in this part of Oregon. That's
Speaker 1: been very, very eye opening that I haven't heard much
Speaker 1: from the Three Creeks area, so that's pretty cool. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we will be in touch, Lyle, And thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming on the show.
Speaker 2: All Right, well, I appreciate it. Thank you, Jeremiah, you
Speaker 2: got it.
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