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Speaker 4: Over the tree? I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,
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Speaker 4: over the fence. The name was dead once you hit
Speaker 4: the ground. I didn't be seen any cars. All I
Speaker 4: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Are you
Speaker 4: reporting we got some wonder or something prowling around out here?
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Speaker 1: Folks want to welcome our guest to the show. It is
Speaker 1: writer and director of the new film Feat of Death,
Speaker 1: James Chick. Welcome to the show Man.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you reached out. I'm glad we're doing this.
Speaker 1: I watched your film this morning. We're definitely going to
Speaker 1: get into that. But I want to start where I
Speaker 1: start with everybody that's on the show, What in the
Speaker 1: world got you interested in the subject of Bigfoot?
Speaker 3: To begin with? Great question born and raised Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 3: so I am in big Boot territory everywhere, from coffee
Speaker 3: shops and mechanical shops bumper stickers. Literally, you can't go
Speaker 3: five minutes without seeing Bigfoot somewhere. In twenty twenty, when
Speaker 3: all the craziness happened, I moved out here to southern Washington,
Speaker 3: near Mount Saint Helms actually where the film takes place,
Speaker 3: and I got five acres out here in the country,
Speaker 3: so I was really just embedded in it. And I
Speaker 3: was trying to come up with the concept for a
Speaker 3: film that I knew I could do as my first
Speaker 3: directorial debut. I'd worked on a ton of indie films
Speaker 3: and it had been in the industry for twenty years,
Speaker 3: but I had never directed something myself. So when I
Speaker 3: was trying to think of something that I would want
Speaker 3: to see and that I knew I could pull off,
Speaker 3: Bigfoot just came to mind. Because I love monster movies
Speaker 3: growing up. Obviously, Jaws impacted me more than any because
Speaker 3: it was such a crazy monster movie. Tremer's the thing newer.
Speaker 3: I like, oh my gosh, now I'm blanking on it.
Speaker 3: My goodness, A quiet place, sorry, I love a quiet place.
Speaker 3: That's some great monster movies. I'm definitely into the monster
Speaker 3: genre of films. So when I was trying to think
Speaker 3: of something that I wanted to watch that I wanted
Speaker 3: to make, Bigfoot just made sense.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the genesis for the
Speaker 1: film and your ideas going into it. I know that
Speaker 1: creative process is different for everybody. I've written two books
Speaker 1: on the subject. The first book was a very scientific
Speaker 1: approach to the research and the history of the subject
Speaker 1: of Bigfoot in general. But I wanted to do something else. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fiction fan. I'm a horror fan.
Speaker 1: I love horror films, but when it comes to Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: I'm more of a documentary style guy. I like that
Speaker 1: kind of look into the Bigfoot world. I wanted to
Speaker 1: write a story. I had this story rattling around in
Speaker 1: my brain forever, having a baby Sasquatch born into the
Speaker 1: world that the readers could follow throughout its life and
Speaker 1: have a series of books. So I just did that
Speaker 1: first book, and it was dipping my toe into something
Speaker 1: frankly I'm not really into, which is weird. When I
Speaker 1: went into the book, I had never written any fiction before,
Speaker 1: so I just went into it headlong, and I literally
Speaker 1: wrote the book in about a month and a half
Speaker 1: or two months. It just poured out of me because
Speaker 1: the story had been rattling around forever. Was it similar
Speaker 1: for you When you got into this, you had an
Speaker 1: idea of what you wanted the movie to look like.
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about that process and getting into
Speaker 1: that and doing your directoral debut into Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: First of all, that's amazing that you wrote a book
Speaker 3: in a couple months. That's phenomenal. But as far as
Speaker 3: my process goes, I was trying to It was obviously
Speaker 3: going to be low budget because it was a crowdfunded,
Speaker 3: self funded kind of project. So I was trying to
Speaker 3: think of what we had access to. So I knew
Speaker 3: I obviously had the woods. I live out here, I
Speaker 3: have five acres. I knew I had access to some
Speaker 3: cool cabins and to some amazing nature with waterfalls and
Speaker 3: the exteriors of Mount Saint Helens. So I was really
Speaker 3: writing into what I had and that was a big
Speaker 3: inspiration of it. And so really it was first just
Speaker 3: brainstorming ideas. I had done a lot of youtubing in
Speaker 3: the past. I did some travel channels, where I traveled
Speaker 3: across the country, So social media influencer popped into my mind,
Speaker 3: which is why the beginning of the film's a split
Speaker 3: perspective where we're cutting back and forth between law enforcement
Speaker 3: and the social media influencer. I was trying to tap
Speaker 3: into things that I had experienced with and things that
Speaker 3: I knew you and, like you said, that really helps
Speaker 3: it flow out of you. You're not trying to research
Speaker 3: every little thing because you have experience with it. You
Speaker 3: know what you're doing, You're writing what you know. So
Speaker 3: that really helped with coming out with, Okay, what would
Speaker 3: this guy do. He's obviously researching these things, but he's
Speaker 3: there for the views. He's trying to get out there.
Speaker 3: But I didn't want it to be a found footage movie.
Speaker 3: I didn't want it to be there are so many
Speaker 3: found footage movies Bigfoot, so I wanted to do something
Speaker 3: more cinematic. So then I came up with the idea
Speaker 3: of kind of cross cutting and then by the second
Speaker 3: actor takeover with the cinematic mode and follow the law
Speaker 3: enforcement kind of researching these murders and these deaths. So
Speaker 3: that was really the inspiration of it, and how I
Speaker 3: came up with it is just writing something that I
Speaker 3: wanted to watch and something that I had access to,
Speaker 3: but something different, because even though found footage is easy
Speaker 3: to do, that's why there's so many of them. I
Speaker 3: just didn't want to be another Blair Witch slash Bigfoot movie.
Speaker 1: It was interesting to me. It was a cop so
Speaker 1: it was cool to see that aspect of it. To
Speaker 1: see the US four Service involved in it working alongside
Speaker 1: law enforcement was a cool part of the movie for
Speaker 1: me to see. Let's talk a little bit about some
Speaker 1: of the things that are in the movie, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to give away anything. I don't want to
Speaker 1: have any spoilers here, but there is a hint of
Speaker 1: missing persons and these cases of strange attacks and things
Speaker 1: that are going on in that area. That is something
Speaker 1: that runs true throughout the Bigfoot community, if you will.
Speaker 1: David Polaidis has made a business out of writing these
Speaker 1: missing four to one one books and talking about these
Speaker 1: strange missing person cases. How did you get into that
Speaker 1: part of it. Did you do a lot of research
Speaker 1: on your own? Was that something that you just had
Speaker 1: in your brain, or did you talk to some researchers
Speaker 1: in the area that were into Bigfoot. How did you
Speaker 1: get to that point and ultimately decide to take the
Speaker 1: movie in that direction.
Speaker 3: I did my research, I by no means how the
Speaker 3: depth of knowledge of you or probably a lot of
Speaker 3: your viewers as far as Big Book goes. But I
Speaker 3: did do my research of looking into things, joined a
Speaker 3: bunch of Facebook groups to try and figure out what
Speaker 3: the people in the Big Book can knew you were doing,
Speaker 3: because I, by no means was a fanatic or I
Speaker 3: had been following since I was a kid, So I
Speaker 3: really did try and get in there and figure out
Speaker 3: what the community was all about. Then the missing persons
Speaker 3: in general, there are so many missing persons from national
Speaker 3: forest lands and things like that that it would just
Speaker 3: seem once I got that backed, it seems like a
Speaker 3: great tie in. And then obviously things are exaggerated for
Speaker 3: the story in such a small area as far as
Speaker 3: the disappearances go and whatnot. It was really pulling from
Speaker 3: reality as far as how many people go missing in
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 6: That is.
Speaker 3: Heck, what was it just a few months ago some
Speaker 3: people from Portland, which is just south of me, We're
Speaker 3: out searching for Bigfoot and they unfortunately passed away because
Speaker 3: they weren't prepared. Stuff like that happens all the time,
Speaker 3: only they're not found. So it really was led by
Speaker 3: reality is where I came up with that.
Speaker 1: And there's a big thing in the community as far
Speaker 1: as the people who believe that there's some sort of
Speaker 1: a government cover up. They believe the US four Surface
Speaker 1: is involved in this cover up, and I've talked about
Speaker 1: it so many times on this show and some of
Speaker 1: the other shows that I host. My co host and
Speaker 1: I Wayne over on that Bigfoot podcast have talked about
Speaker 1: it in the past. I've never been one who subscribes
Speaker 1: to this massive government cover up because I've told people
Speaker 1: I was a government employee for a lot of years,
Speaker 1: and you would be surprised what we didn't know. Or
Speaker 1: for a huge metropolitan police department with the city of
Speaker 1: Atlanta and everybody looks at them as in they are
Speaker 1: one of the premier police departments across the country. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, sometimes you'd just be surprised what they don't know.
Speaker 1: You expect everybody the government, expects the government to be
Speaker 1: involved in everything, and I just don't think that is
Speaker 1: the case. And I certainly didn't get that in the movie.
Speaker 1: But there was a couple of points. I thought, Man,
Speaker 1: this cop and this US fours service guy are going
Speaker 1: to get together and there's going to be this cover up.
Speaker 1: Did you ever think about possibly going down that route
Speaker 1: and making it more.
Speaker 3: About the cover up?
Speaker 1: Was there ever any of that rattled around in your
Speaker 1: brain to maybe become a part of the movie.
Speaker 3: As far as conspiracy coverups, know, that never really went
Speaker 3: into my head because, like you said, I don't feel
Speaker 3: like that. I know a large portion population don't believe
Speaker 3: in Bigfoot, and then you have your big Foot fantics
Speaker 3: that do. I was trying to base it as much
Speaker 3: in reality as possible, which may sound laughable to people
Speaker 3: that don't believe in Bigfoot, but the people that do,
Speaker 3: it's like they have their hardcore beliefs of what they
Speaker 3: believe to be true, and so I was trying to
Speaker 3: they grounded. So I didn't feel like that was feasible
Speaker 3: in our universe, and so I really wanted to go
Speaker 3: with I don't know if you got this, but like
Speaker 3: one of the people is more into believing of the
Speaker 3: possibility that Bigfoot exists versus the other, so it's not
Speaker 3: a secret. In the movie, the Sheriff and the Force
Speaker 3: ranger are butting heads a force rangers almost laughing at
Speaker 3: the sheriff because he's open to the idea that heck,
Speaker 3: maybe Bigfoot is responsible for these string of murders and
Speaker 3: he's open to researching that. And so that was the
Speaker 3: direction I went of. That's where the tension the drama
Speaker 3: comes from, is one that believes and one that doesn't,
Speaker 3: because again, in reality, there's a lot of tension gim
Speaker 3: believers and non believers, not so much conspiracy, but more
Speaker 3: of just belief in the possibility of Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I definitely don't want to give anything away.
Speaker 1: I'll just refer to I enjoyed the Henry twist.
Speaker 3: Let's just put it that way.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the Henry twist that you guys will see
Speaker 1: when you watch the movie. The other thing that stuck
Speaker 1: out to me that I thought was very interesting, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to have this conversation with you about maybe
Speaker 1: the research that you've done into this, because this is
Speaker 1: something we've done entire roundtables on this show and had
Speaker 1: tons of people in the bigfoot community talking about even
Speaker 1: to the point of there's a Bigfoot mapping project. This
Speaker 1: guy's created an app and he looks at all of
Speaker 1: the fresh reports that come in. He has looked into
Speaker 1: the possibility of Bigfoot using caves, and I thought that
Speaker 1: was really cool that you incorporated a cave element to
Speaker 1: this movie. I think most of the people in the
Speaker 1: community will probably appreciate that. Obviously, caves are really creepy.
Speaker 1: They're creepy as hell, so they make the good creep
Speaker 1: factor in any movie where you're trying to have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a creep factor. That's awesome. But it
Speaker 1: does tie into the possibility that these creatures use caves.
Speaker 1: Some of us believe that obviously there's some really harsh
Speaker 1: environments that these creatures are alleged to live in. You
Speaker 1: get up North Pacific Northwest, you get up into Minnesota
Speaker 1: and Canada and Alaska and these really cold temperatures. It
Speaker 1: would be almost impossible for a large primate to live
Speaker 1: in those environments without having some sort of shelter. So
Speaker 1: the cave element was cool. How did that come about
Speaker 1: for you putting this movie together, writing it and directing it.
Speaker 1: Was the cave just something that you wanted to use
Speaker 1: for the creep factor, or was it somehow loosely tied
Speaker 1: into some of the beliefs that these creatures might actually
Speaker 1: use caves.
Speaker 3: It was definitely the creep factor is a big thing,
Speaker 3: but also just in my research in thinking about personally
Speaker 3: where could these creatures exist, especially in our area in
Speaker 3: the Pacific Northwest near the Helen's area where it was
Speaker 3: or Slash is an active volcano. So it was a
Speaker 3: combination of researching into beliefs and things of where these
Speaker 3: creatures could be, also what was in our area and
Speaker 3: we had access to, and the creep factor. So there
Speaker 3: literally are these massive lava tubes here in the sip Northwest.
Speaker 3: Eight Caves is this massive national park that you can
Speaker 3: go through of miles of underground tunnel. We actually did
Speaker 3: film part of the film there and it's just this
Speaker 3: really cool environment. So when I started writing it, I
Speaker 3: remembered hiking that years ago, and so I was definitely
Speaker 3: writing that into it. But then we found this other
Speaker 3: cave which is where the final scene takes place, which
Speaker 3: is closer towards Mount Adams, a little further east, and
Speaker 3: it's this amazing cave that's not that wide shot of
Speaker 3: the cave is not a VFX shot, that's a real
Speaker 3: cave that we were in that we got all these
Speaker 3: torches and stuff in it, and that was one of
Speaker 3: my favorite scenes because it was such a cool location.
Speaker 3: All the breadth on the people's mouths is all razing
Speaker 3: down there. So that was a really crazy and tough day,
Speaker 3: but it made for such a cool cinematic environment and
Speaker 3: it fit to the story. So that was the part
Speaker 3: of that. It wasn't just cool looking, but it helped
Speaker 3: the story a lot. I didn't want to just do
Speaker 3: anything that was fun or cool or pretty. It had
Speaker 3: to make sense and fit into the story, and I
Speaker 3: think it tied in perfectly.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages. Here's the thing for me,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to get this directly from you. Did
Speaker 1: you have any concerns going into the movie? Because people
Speaker 1: love their bigfoot, right. I consider myself a somewhat of
Speaker 1: a purist. Like I said, I liked the documentary style films.
Speaker 1: I like people doing boots on the ground research and
Speaker 1: actually looking into these creatures because I've had experiences of
Speaker 1: my own and I have seen them, so I know
Speaker 1: they're real. I know they exist. It took me a
Speaker 1: long time to get to that point. And there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people that may see this film. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the word, I don't know the way
Speaker 1: I'm trying to word this, they might see it as
Speaker 1: a demonization of Bigfoot. Let's talk a little bit of
Speaker 1: that for you, as the filmmaker, you wrote this, you
Speaker 1: directed it. How did you want ultimately the audience to
Speaker 1: come away what perception? I guess is the better way
Speaker 1: to put it. I'll edit this so I don't sound
Speaker 1: like a fucking idiot when I hit this out. Don't worry.
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm trying to say is, did you
Speaker 1: have a concern about how Bigfoot would be perceived in
Speaker 1: this movie by those who watch it? And what do
Speaker 1: you want them to take away from it ultimately as
Speaker 1: far as the story goes.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent? And that was one of the things
Speaker 3: that I came across early on when I started joining
Speaker 3: those Facebook groups and whatnot, when I was in the
Speaker 3: writing stages and the researching pages. Is one how divisive
Speaker 3: thing it is, But then two, like how people hated
Speaker 3: or a large portion of the people hated the fact
Speaker 3: that Bigfoot was portrayed as so evil in a lot
Speaker 3: of the films, and just like a bloodthirsty maniac that
Speaker 3: was going out there without trying to give too much away,
Speaker 3: which granted there's going to be a certain amount of it,
Speaker 3: I tried to handle that in a certain way that
Speaker 3: it would be something different that you wouldn't expect, while
Speaker 3: also still feeding that pore expectation. The people that are
Speaker 3: go into watching a Bigfoot movie are expecting there to
Speaker 3: be deaths and attacks and that kind of thing and gore,
Speaker 3: and so I wanted a certain amount of that, but also,
Speaker 3: like I don't you did watch the time, I believe
Speaker 3: there's not a massive amount of gore. It's not a
Speaker 3: slasher like. It's more of like a mystery thriller, trying
Speaker 3: to figure out what's going on and who causes ess
Speaker 3: and then it's really not till that third act that
Speaker 3: you get more of that monster movie payoff or whatever.
Speaker 3: But so yet I was hyper aware of how Bigfoot
Speaker 3: in general would be accepted by the audience of both
Speaker 3: believers and non believers, and so I was trying to
Speaker 3: do for those who finish the whole movie and don't
Speaker 3: just watch the first part, hopefully they are satisfied with
Speaker 3: my portrayal of the creature and that he's not just
Speaker 3: a total bloodthirsty animal. Is it was my goal? Now?
Speaker 3: Is he still an animal? Yes? Is he still a
Speaker 3: massive that could rip you apart? Of course he could.
Speaker 3: So are bears, So are gorillas. They could destroy you
Speaker 3: they're so massively muscular. So I wanted to strike that balance.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: The last thing here is a synopsis, if you will,
Speaker 1: do you want to give us a rundown of what
Speaker 1: people can expect when they check this out. Where is
Speaker 1: the best place for them to find and watch the film?
Speaker 1: Obviously anything else you want to tell us about the
Speaker 1: film or anything else you have coming up before we
Speaker 1: get out of here, for sure.
Speaker 3: So Beat of Death is a mystery thriller about a
Speaker 3: paranormal investigator and law enforcement researching this string of unexplained
Speaker 3: deaths near the foothills of Mount Saint Helen's and eventually
Speaker 3: these paths cross of this paranormal influencer and the forest
Speaker 3: ranger and sheriff officer until their pass cross and all
Speaker 3: hell breaks loose and you're trying to figure out are
Speaker 3: these deaths caused by a person, by Bigfoot, by an animal?
Speaker 3: You're not really sure what is happening here, and like
Speaker 3: I said, it's really of a who Done it? And
Speaker 3: a thriller for those first you act and then that's
Speaker 3: third act is where you get into your monster movie payoff,
Speaker 3: where you really are getting that bigfoot movie that people
Speaker 3: know and love. So I wanted to do something different.
Speaker 3: I wanted to do something unique, and I think we
Speaker 3: pulled that off, especially for being such a low budget film.
Speaker 3: So I hope your viewers will go and check it
Speaker 3: out and give me honest reviews about what they thought.
Speaker 3: You can watch it almost anywhere. It's on Amazon if
Speaker 3: you want to rent it or buy it and not
Speaker 3: watch it with ads. You want to watch it for free,
Speaker 3: you can see it on two B on YouTube now
Speaker 3: on our distributor's website, just search Feet of Death. You
Speaker 3: can see it on Google Movies Awesome, so many places.
Speaker 3: If you just search Feet of Death you will find
Speaker 3: all the places to watch it. If you want to
Speaker 3: see some making up, behind the scenes things, we have
Speaker 3: a fifteen part series on our YouTube channel, Chickclik Films,
Speaker 3: going through the whole documentary process of making the movie.
Speaker 3: So just search Making of Feet of Death. Chicklook Films
Speaker 3: is our production company you can check that out. We're
Speaker 3: on Facebook, chickbook Films on Facebook, or my personal Instagram,
Speaker 3: James A check on Instagram all over the place. You
Speaker 3: guys can find it there. I am working on my
Speaker 3: next project. It's not a big Foot movie, but it
Speaker 3: is a sci fi adventure. So if you're into that
Speaker 3: kind of thing, follow along with my socials. I'll be
Speaker 3: posting that as there's updates for that one.
Speaker 1: Awesome James, I will link to all that stuff in
Speaker 1: the show notes so you guys can click it. It'll
Speaker 1: be easy for you right there. Go check out Beat
Speaker 1: of Death. James. Thanks for stopping by and talking about it. Man,
Speaker 1: I've had a blast talking to.
Speaker 3: You unfortunately, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it
Speaker 3: allR folks on Walk of My guest to the show.
Speaker 1: It is Zach from Pennsylvania.
Speaker 7: Welcome to the show, man, I'm glad to be on.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to have you. So let's get right into it.
Speaker 1: Before we get into your experience, let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about what guy you interested in the world of
Speaker 1: Bigfoot encryptids.
Speaker 7: To begin with, I want to say it was just
Speaker 7: an inherited because my dad, he was always into it,
Speaker 7: and he'd always give me whatever would go on trucks.
Speaker 7: He'd also be interested in, like ghostbooks. He'd always give
Speaker 7: me like ghost books. Went a little bit further because
Speaker 7: he was always interested in ghost stories. But after a while,
Speaker 7: I've discovered what like cryptids were, and I got really
Speaker 7: into that. You ever watch that show lost tape? I
Speaker 7: have it, but I've heard of It's where they reenact encounters,
Speaker 7: not actual encounters, but they like rode up encounters, and
Speaker 7: that kind of really got me interested in into it.
Speaker 1: I know you're here to talk about an experience, so
Speaker 1: why don't you just take us back to where you were,
Speaker 1: what you were doing, and tell us what happened to you.
Speaker 7: Man. This was back in the summer of two thousand
Speaker 7: and eight. I believe it was July. My parents usually
Speaker 7: leave me alone during that time because they go to
Speaker 7: the little country music festival up but I believe it
Speaker 7: was Ohio, West Virginia. It was called Jambery in the Hills.
Speaker 7: I was just thirteen year old, just being a thirteen
Speaker 7: year old. My cousin, who was also my best friend
Speaker 7: in the world, he was over. We were just chilling
Speaker 7: out on the porch. I was playing a mega man
Speaker 7: on my three DS, and then my cousin. He scared
Speaker 7: the crap out of me because he was that a bear.
Speaker 7: And I was kind of excited at first because I've
Speaker 7: never seen a bear outside of the Animal TV show.
Speaker 7: So I looked down the road. At first, I thought
Speaker 7: this thing was a bear because it was this massive
Speaker 7: black thing just tounched sol over on fours. I tell
Speaker 7: you what, my flood froze right then and there because
Speaker 7: that thing stood up. And I want to say, this
Speaker 7: thing was about as tall as the trees, so it
Speaker 7: was about about eight nine feet. It wasn't quite human,
Speaker 7: but it was quite dog. I still cannot describe what
Speaker 7: this thing was. Me and him both just stood right up.
Speaker 7: We thought this thing was just gonna leave, but it
Speaker 7: just kept staring at us. And the next thing we know,
Speaker 7: this smaller one. I'll say it was about seven feet.
Speaker 7: It was more like the first one. It was just
Speaker 7: super buff. This other one come along. It was more slender,
Speaker 7: It was like seven feet tall. It was just brown.
Speaker 7: For this one really scared us because it was holding
Speaker 7: half of a deer. This thing had nearly gnawed it
Speaker 7: to the skeleton. It was just blood all over the
Speaker 7: front of it. We keep inching back towards the door.
Speaker 7: Next thing, I know, the first one, it just lets
Speaker 7: out this horrendous just human canine sound and owl, and
Speaker 7: then they just both take off in either direction. So
Speaker 7: we run back inside, and honestly, we thought the house
Speaker 7: was going to get flanked or whatever because there was
Speaker 7: nothing really stopping them because our living room at the
Speaker 7: time it just had this big string doors, so they
Speaker 7: could come right through that. I just I still thinking
Speaker 7: about that to this day. And later that night we
Speaker 7: was trying to close over curtain we could without being
Speaker 7: seen in front of the window.
Speaker 1: I can definitely imagine. Let's set the scene a little
Speaker 1: bit for the area where this has taking place. You
Speaker 1: guys are sitting on the front porch, are we talking about?
Speaker 1: You guys are out in the middle of nowhere? Were
Speaker 1: there are other houses around? That set the scene for
Speaker 1: where these things were. You said they were on a road.
Speaker 3: Was it a paved road?
Speaker 7: It was a completely dirt road. This happened to the
Speaker 7: little town it was called a Windbridge, PA. But as
Speaker 7: I can best describe this scene, it was entirely forested,
Speaker 7: so there was like a little bit of a town
Speaker 7: right here, and they do it on this dirt road,
Speaker 7: So there was our house was completely surrounded by woods.
Speaker 7: It was high up on this hill. The only thing
Speaker 7: between us and the road that they were on was
Speaker 7: just this big slope hill.
Speaker 1: How far away were these things from where you guys
Speaker 1: were on the porch to where you guys saw them
Speaker 1: in the middle of this dirt road.
Speaker 7: I want to say at least I'll say at least
Speaker 7: thirty feet thirty forty so pretty close.
Speaker 1: So you got a good look at these things. Was
Speaker 1: it during the daytime? Was it daylight outside so you
Speaker 1: guys could see them pretty well?
Speaker 7: It was just starting to it was just starting to set, gotcha.
Speaker 1: Can you give us a little bit more detail as
Speaker 1: far as what you saw face, the legs, the arms,
Speaker 1: the hands, the whole nine yards, as far as you
Speaker 1: can remember what you saw that day.
Speaker 7: I want to say the legs and arms looked more canine.
Speaker 7: I remember, just big paws with just these horendous looking
Speaker 7: sharp claws, just like real muscular hind legs. They didn't
Speaker 7: have much tails though, as you would expect on a dog.
Speaker 7: And the face it's hard to describe it. It's more canine,
Speaker 7: like I recall the male one. He had blue eyes
Speaker 7: just like these, real piercing blue eyes, and the female
Speaker 7: she had real dark brown eyes.
Speaker 1: You said male and female. How could you tell the
Speaker 1: difference between the two? Could you say genitalia where their
Speaker 1: breast involved? Talk a little bit about the difference in
Speaker 1: the male and the female.
Speaker 7: The male one, he was built more stocky. I did
Speaker 7: not see any genitalia, but I just could tell the
Speaker 7: first one was just a male by just looking at him.
Speaker 7: The brown one, I don't know. She just gave off
Speaker 7: that vibe because she had a little bit of a chest,
Speaker 7: but not like much.
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the howl
Speaker 1: that you heard. I asked this of people who've heard
Speaker 1: vocalizations and seen things like Bigfoot and or dog Man
Speaker 1: up close.
Speaker 3: It's a two part question.
Speaker 1: I guess as far as the howl is concerned, you
Speaker 1: said it was canine like. But have you heard anything
Speaker 1: since then? Have you done any research online and heard
Speaker 1: anything that sounded similar to what you heard that day?
Speaker 1: And same thing for the look of these things, have
Speaker 1: you seen anything online or in your research that you've
Speaker 1: seen that is similar to the way these things looked.
Speaker 7: I've seen a little bit, but a lot more of
Speaker 7: the ones I've come across, they kind of look the same.
Speaker 7: But as for the how, it was kind of like,
Speaker 7: I don't know how to described it. It was like
Speaker 7: a human It was almost a human like one. Did
Speaker 7: you get what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Was this something that after this happened you and your cousin,
Speaker 1: these things run off? What do you guys talk about?
Speaker 1: What's the conversation like between you two on the porch
Speaker 1: and then later that evening? And I guess the second
Speaker 1: part of that question is once everybody returned back home
Speaker 1: and there were adults involved, did you guys tell those
Speaker 1: folks in your family or how long did it take
Speaker 1: you to tell other people besides you and your cousin
Speaker 1: sharing that experience that a guy's had.
Speaker 7: Oh that night, so my dad, he's a big gun fanatic.
Speaker 7: We sat on in the living room couch right next
Speaker 7: to the gun cabinet that night because we didn't know
Speaker 7: what we were going to do. We just knew that
Speaker 7: there was guns there, and it took us years before
Speaker 7: we actually finally told another of our cousins. I don't
Speaker 7: know if you've rightly believed this or you just like
Speaker 7: all right.
Speaker 1: After you've had this experience with your cousin, maybe even
Speaker 1: back then, and certainly now that you've done a little
Speaker 1: bit more research, do you think what you got experienced
Speaker 1: was a dog man? Is that kind of what I'm
Speaker 1: getting from what you feel about that experience, or maybe
Speaker 1: I'm putting words in your mouth, but I guess the
Speaker 1: question is what do you think you experienced that night?
Speaker 1: Do you think these things were some sort of a
Speaker 1: dog man? And do you think they were a flesh
Speaker 1: and blood creature or possibly something else that you experienced
Speaker 1: that evening.
Speaker 7: I did a little bit more research for a while
Speaker 7: after this. I eventually came across the dog man term.
Speaker 7: So I was listening to like vocalizations online people reported
Speaker 7: and I want to say I one hundred saw that.
Speaker 7: I don't want to say it was something else. I
Speaker 7: would say it was a pure question blood thing.
Speaker 1: Because I've only talked to a couple of other people
Speaker 1: in the show. I've heard other stories, but physically me
Speaker 1: actually talking to somebody, it's only been a couple of
Speaker 1: times when people have said they've had some sort of
Speaker 1: experience with a dog man. So I'm very interested in
Speaker 1: the interactions, what they look like what they sounded like
Speaker 1: and what you think they are, because I can't as
Speaker 1: a researcher and as a person who's into Bigfoot and
Speaker 1: other cryptos, I can't wrap my brain around dog man
Speaker 1: existing because it just physically doesn't make sense that something
Speaker 1: would be seven eight nine feet tall and be similar
Speaker 1: to a human and a dog hybrid.
Speaker 3: Kind of thing.
Speaker 1: We're literally talking about, like the American werewolf in London
Speaker 1: from the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 7: When I first saw this thing, I one percent thought
Speaker 7: it was a werewolf in broad days. I was like,
Speaker 7: what is going on? Because, like I said, I've been
Speaker 7: in a cryptis for a long time. I was a
Speaker 7: little bit excited at first, and then I was like
Speaker 7: thank in. I was like, oh crap, there's one right
Speaker 7: here in front of Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's really strange to me. There's a new werewolf movie
Speaker 1: that has been advertised a couple of times that it's
Speaker 1: coming out here in the next month or so. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see it because I'm very interested in
Speaker 1: those things, but I just can't wrap my brain around
Speaker 1: it being just a physical creature. Of course, I've never
Speaker 1: seen one, so I don't have a dog in the fight.
Speaker 1: I can't really speak intelligently about it. It's just my
Speaker 1: opinion that if these things are what you think you saw,
Speaker 1: it would have to be something more paranormal or supernatural
Speaker 1: or possibly even inter dimensional. Are you open to that?
Speaker 7: I'm completely open to other factors here.
Speaker 1: After this experience happened, that you're clearly not thirteen anymore.
Speaker 1: You're an adult.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Have you had other experiences with what you believe to
Speaker 1: be cryptids or is that the only thing? And did
Speaker 1: it drive you to want to know more about these
Speaker 1: things and doing research? You going down the rabbit hole
Speaker 1: or did you just say, Okay, I had my experience
Speaker 1: when I was thirteen, and I'm done with these things.
Speaker 7: I have actually been going down the rabbit hole a
Speaker 7: little bit. I've been talking to others. I've posted this online,
Speaker 7: but I've talked to others who've had their experiences, and
Speaker 7: I want to say I was kind of like, not
Speaker 7: just like dog Man. I've heard people like talk about
Speaker 7: other cryptis they've encountered with, and I was kind of
Speaker 7: like lucky that they just ran off, because some of
Speaker 7: these other stories they've just been crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard some really wild stories about dog Man
Speaker 1: being very aggressive way more so than the ratio I
Speaker 1: think of non aggressive Sasquatch encounters versus the aggressive types
Speaker 1: dog Man. In most cases that I've experienced that hearing
Speaker 1: people tell their stories, they don't seem to be very nice.
Speaker 1: There's something on the fairies. There's something evil surrounding this.
Speaker 7: That's the vibe I've picked up too, that a lot
Speaker 7: of them like the fairius to like to tour around
Speaker 7: with people that see.
Speaker 1: Them and stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these messages. It's a very
Speaker 1: cool experience, man, It's one that not very many people have.
Speaker 1: For sure. I certainly appreciate you coming on and sharing
Speaker 1: it with me today. I've had a blast talking to you.
Speaker 1: There's been a blast talking to you too. All Right, folks,
Speaker 1: want to welcome our guest to the show. It is
Speaker 1: Kyle from North Carolina. Welcome to the show man.
Speaker 6: Thank you Brian for having me. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I've been looking forward to this, man, So let's get
Speaker 1: right into it. Let's start with what got you interested
Speaker 1: in Bigfoot to begin with?
Speaker 8: Okay, so originally I'm a big believer in the paranorm
Speaker 8: and I watched those like Ghost Adventures ghost Hunters. I
Speaker 8: guess it really started.
Speaker 6: Getting me into.
Speaker 8: Cryptic creatures was I kept hearing things about Big Floyd.
Speaker 8: I really didn't believe it at the time because I
Speaker 8: didn't believe in creatures like that. I didn't really believe
Speaker 8: in cryptic creatures. One of my friends told me that
Speaker 8: he hadn't encounter with a cryptic creature like a Bigfoot.
Speaker 6: That's when I started thinking maybe these creatures actually exist.
Speaker 6: A few years ago, I watched the show.
Speaker 8: On Discovery Plus called Mountain Monsters, which is this group
Speaker 8: of guys who went out looking.
Speaker 6: For these types of creature like Bigfoot. That's what kind
Speaker 6: of started getting me into that.
Speaker 1: I know, you're here to share an experience. I had
Speaker 1: your sister on a couple of weeks back. She had
Speaker 1: an experience right here in Lenore, in my hometown in
Speaker 1: North Carolina.
Speaker 3: So why don't you.
Speaker 1: Just take us all back to where you were, what
Speaker 1: you were doing, and tell us what happened to you.
Speaker 8: Okay, So this happened when I first moved to North Carolina.
Speaker 8: I graduated in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 6: I moved to North.
Speaker 8: Carolina shortly afterwards with my mom because I was going
Speaker 8: to technical school my mom, which you.
Speaker 6: Got a job transfer over here.
Speaker 8: So the opponent complace people that had a woodline that
Speaker 8: was behind us.
Speaker 6: It was a woodline.
Speaker 8: Start decided one day on a weekend, I would do
Speaker 8: nothing inside, just go take a stroll on the woods,
Speaker 8: like anybody else would.
Speaker 6: I'm going through the woods.
Speaker 8: I hear squirrels running up trees and the normal thing.
Speaker 8: Then they started hearing this knocking noise. I don't like
Speaker 8: it was like a loud knock, but it was almost.
Speaker 6: Like to find way you can know what a knocking
Speaker 6: noise was. I'm not thinking of that. Maybe someone just
Speaker 6: whacking something with a tree or throwing a rock or whatever.
Speaker 8: I didn't know that's how Bigfoot's communicated at the time.
Speaker 6: That's they usually get trees or they clank rock. I
Speaker 6: didn't know. I'm still walking.
Speaker 8: First I hear a knock, and then of thirty minutes
Speaker 8: and nothing, and then of the knock, and then thirty
Speaker 8: minutes again in.
Speaker 6: The knock, I stopped and decide.
Speaker 8: You just listened to it, and it sounds like it's
Speaker 8: getting close to because it's coming from behind me.
Speaker 6: So I'm starting to get nervous. Because I'm like, what
Speaker 6: can be behind me? I don't know what's behind me.
Speaker 8: I don't like things go up and behind me.
Speaker 6: It's just I don't like it. So I turn around.
Speaker 8: I'm looking at I don't see anything. I'm like, what
Speaker 8: could be causing this knocking noise? So I decided to
Speaker 8: start walking backwards, looking behind me, like I'm looking that way.
Speaker 8: I I'm walking back.
Speaker 6: It's like if something coming out I wanted to come
Speaker 6: in the only way I could describe it.
Speaker 8: It sounded like the bandschief from the Irish folklore, but
Speaker 8: it was more like facey. It wasn't like it was
Speaker 8: like blood curdling, like from a dying murder streak. It
Speaker 8: was more like it had like base to it, Like
Speaker 8: it was almost like it was something that happened that
Speaker 8: was like deep chest up, like it had the lunk.
Speaker 6: OFFACTIY for it.
Speaker 8: I immediately stood still. I just throws because I didn't
Speaker 8: know what I just heard. I froze and then I
Speaker 8: can just hear something just snaping twigs. It was almost
Speaker 8: like like a herd elephants just running through like they
Speaker 8: were just wait snapping and everything. I didn't hear anything
Speaker 8: else free knocking no nothing. I decided to go up
Speaker 8: to where I heard it, where I heard the streak,
Speaker 8: I found this footprint, and it was on like any
Speaker 8: other footprint I've ever seen. The stride on this thing
Speaker 8: was probably. I'm six foot three, I have a long stride.
Speaker 8: This stride was longer than mine. It was probably the
Speaker 8: foot had to have been at least Oh god, I
Speaker 8: couldn't've got how the foot was long.
Speaker 6: It was like unlike any other human footpoot I ever
Speaker 6: seen a book. This could not be a human.
Speaker 8: It was way too big because it was in the
Speaker 8: winter time, so the ground was broken solid. This thing
Speaker 8: was so heavy to leave a foot imprint in the ground,
Speaker 8: and the ground was frozen like rock hard. This thing
Speaker 8: with an imprint in the ground. I immediately got scared
Speaker 8: because this thing is heavy, it is powerful, and I
Speaker 8: want nothing to do with it.
Speaker 6: At that point, I show here. The tree knocks again.
Speaker 6: I shot him the tree knock.
Speaker 8: And now it's coming from in front of me, and
Speaker 8: I'm like, Okay, something is out here and obviously does
Speaker 8: not want me in here.
Speaker 6: Because I learned it was time of that bigfoots are
Speaker 6: very territorial. They are very territorial. I saw something that
Speaker 6: I've never seen before. There was a three and it
Speaker 6: was hanging like this, like a arch.
Speaker 8: I've never seen a tree like that foot It was
Speaker 8: almost like it was put that way. It turns out
Speaker 8: later on that's how bigfoots mark their territory by overhanging trees.
Speaker 6: I didn't know that at the time. I was just
Speaker 6: fascinated by.
Speaker 8: Looking at the street because I never seen the three
Speaker 8: hang like that before, because sure just going straight up,
Speaker 8: they don't.
Speaker 6: Curve like that.
Speaker 8: Then that's to the point where the tree not started
Speaker 8: getting closer.
Speaker 6: They're more profound closer. Now I'm at the point where
Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't know what's to do, because I
Speaker 6: don't want the thing coming at me. I don't want
Speaker 6: to get charged yet. I've never told anybody this because
Speaker 6: I thought people think God just crazy. I never told
Speaker 6: anybody this before.
Speaker 8: I know what I encountered, and I'm sure that I
Speaker 8: encountered a big foot. I'm ninety nine percent sure because
Speaker 8: the footprint and the tree arching.
Speaker 6: There's no way to describe that. There's no way.
Speaker 8: When I watched that show, from what I heard, from
Speaker 8: what they encountered, and with my encounter, I believe the
Speaker 8: bigfoot I encountered was known as the Yahoo because that's
Speaker 8: what the scream sounded like. It sounded like somebody yelling Yahoo,
Speaker 8: but it was so high pitched. Like I said, I
Speaker 8: wasn't really intimate foots like that, but it scared me
Speaker 8: to death.
Speaker 6: I was scared. I know what to do.
Speaker 1: So what did you do? Did you just leave the area?
Speaker 1: Have you been back to that area?
Speaker 8: Since I had not sent that encounter, but I honestly
Speaker 8: I watched to I want to go back to the seats.
Speaker 6: I mean's still back there.
Speaker 8: But at the same time, my fear is also stopping
Speaker 8: me from doing My fear is what prevented me from
Speaker 8: going to do that, because, like I said, if I
Speaker 8: want to go back out, I want to make sure
Speaker 8: at least have a weapon on me or something to
Speaker 8: leave some drunk coming at me. I at least have
Speaker 8: something to defend myself. I want to go back there,
Speaker 8: but at the same time, I'm fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3: On the fence.
Speaker 1: Do me a favorite, Give us a little bit more
Speaker 1: detail about the area that where you were in. What
Speaker 1: was that area like? Is it close to houses or
Speaker 1: is in the middle of nowhere? Talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the area.
Speaker 8: So the woodline is right behind onpartment. It's lowly woods
Speaker 8: here and then woods all around here.
Speaker 6: This is wood surrounding the building. The furthest town from there.
Speaker 6: We're living in con Over at the time. The closest
Speaker 6: thing was the shopping center and it.
Speaker 8: Was on the other side of the woods.
Speaker 6: So there was like no city or the nearby.
Speaker 8: There's just a highway where my palms was at the woods.
Speaker 6: This woods. It would make sense, but something like that to.
Speaker 8: Live in there, honestly because it's a perfect place for it.
Speaker 8: Honestly because within the first hume I started least three
Speaker 8: four deers. So the perfect place that's got deer, perfect
Speaker 8: food source. And nobody really goes to those woods, especially
Speaker 8: not during the wood the time we're so cooled out.
Speaker 1: I'm curious that you've watched mountain monsters, you've gotten into bigfoot,
Speaker 1: You've had these experiences. I don't ask this of everybody,
Speaker 1: but what do you think these things are? Do you
Speaker 1: think there's some sort of a leftover relic tominin hamanoid?
Speaker 1: Do you think there's something demonic? Do you think they're extraterrestrial?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on what these things might be
Speaker 1: and why it's so difficult for us to find them
Speaker 1: and prove them to science.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna quote one of the guys on the show.
Speaker 6: His name was the Buck, and he.
Speaker 8: Said that the big Boots are nos, the kings of
Speaker 8: hide and seek.
Speaker 6: They don't like to show themselves. They like to stay
Speaker 6: out of the way. They don't want to be seen.
Speaker 6: I don't think these things are demonic. I don't think
Speaker 6: them because.
Speaker 8: The fact of matter is they have physical forms, and
Speaker 8: most demonic things also, I don't think there's a demonic
Speaker 8: I think there's something prehistoric.
Speaker 6: To them, though.
Speaker 8: I really feel there's like a kind of like a
Speaker 8: cave man prehistoric to these things. The fact of matter
Speaker 8: is these things are big, they're strong, and just like cavemen,
Speaker 8: they were very territorial. They don't like anything around their territory.
Speaker 6: That's what I think they are.
Speaker 8: I was them prehistoric, not like dinosaur prehistoric, but like caveman,
Speaker 8: Bully Dannis pre storice.
Speaker 3: Awesome, man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences.
Speaker 6: I appreciate you having me Ryan.
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