Speaker 1: Death becomes her not just the television show or the movie,
Speaker 1: but the reality of abortion law in the United States.
Speaker 2: AJ Today, we're diving into a heartbreaking and complex story
Speaker 2: that is very close to home here in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 2: It's about a young mother who died from sepsis after
Speaker 2: her miscarrious care was delayed. Joselle Barnicai's doctors couldn't intervene
Speaker 2: until her videos no longer had a heartbeat due to
Speaker 2: Texas strict abortion laws. This left her vulnerable to a
Speaker 2: fatal infection, and this case is a start example of
Speaker 2: how the laws intended to prevent abortion can also create
Speaker 2: deadly barriers to essential medical care, putting doctors in impossible
Speaker 2: situations and ultimately costing lives. Republic investigated other cases where
Speaker 2: restrictions have left doctors hesitant to act in emergency situations
Speaker 2: because they you know, they're a phrase of persecution. This
Speaker 2: story is from Pro Publica by Cassandra Jamarolo and Cavite
Speaker 2: Serena on October thirtyth twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: As an Irish woman, as a trans woman, as a woman,
Speaker 1: as a human being, and as somebody with humanity, this
Speaker 1: is close to my heart. Nothing says absolute assholders than
Speaker 1: people who make decisions that will never affect them. The
Speaker 1: men and yes men who impose these restrictions will never
Speaker 1: experience the consequences of these decisions. The men will never
Speaker 1: die in a hospital bed from a bacterial infection leading
Speaker 1: to sepsis because they couldn't get the healthcare they require.
Speaker 1: Men will never scream in agony and beg a doctor
Speaker 1: to save their life because the doctor is scared that
Speaker 1: the doctor will be prosecuted if they save life. And
Speaker 1: the men who pass this go magically quiet when the
Speaker 1: consequences are thrown in their faces. And it is the
Speaker 1: women and other pregnant people who suffer because men who
Speaker 1: can't give up control decide beyond a reasonable doubt that
Speaker 1: their ego and their demand to impose upon others their
Speaker 1: point of view trumps somebody's life. As an Irish woman,
Speaker 1: I can tell you this. My country was disgusted and
Speaker 1: changed its constitution. Somebody who lives in America, I saw
Speaker 1: a country get disgusted and re elect the people who
Speaker 1: put it in place.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't really have any words for this
Speaker 3: type of travesy and this type of brutal brutality towards
Speaker 3: a half fifty one percent of your population or fifty
Speaker 3: two percent. I just have no words for it. And
Speaker 3: I don't you know, I am one of those people
Speaker 3: who do not have a uterus, therefore not affect me directly,
Speaker 3: except for the fact that I have a sister, and
Speaker 3: I have nieces and grand nieces that will be affected
Speaker 3: by this. You can very well be affected this, and
Speaker 3: I had a mother, and that's just it's just not
Speaker 3: something that men need to put their little dirty fingers in.
Speaker 3: Let people make health care decisions with their licensed physician
Speaker 3: and keep your keep your snotty hands out of it.
Speaker 3: It's none of your damn business. Mind your own freaking business.
Speaker 3: They made this. This issue was a made up issue,
Speaker 3: used as a political wedge. They got people all excited
Speaker 3: about it by a misreading of their Holy Book. The
Speaker 3: misreading was that they had it right a long time ago,
Speaker 3: because in their Holy Book it says life doesn't really
Speaker 3: start until the first inspiration of breath at birth. But
Speaker 3: they took that and they've twisted pretzeled themselves around fund
Speaker 3: all sorts of passages in the Bible and other books
Speaker 3: to try and make it so that it starts at conception,
Speaker 3: which is ridiculous. Conceived ova that have been fertilized eggs
Speaker 3: only lodge in the uterus approximately thirty percent of the time.
Speaker 3: So if that's an actual human life that's being flushed
Speaker 3: out with the monthly menstrual cycle, then aren't they really
Speaker 3: murdering a lot of babies every month without even knowing
Speaker 3: it because they don't even know they're pregnant and the
Speaker 3: fertilized egg just passes right out, never even lodges in
Speaker 3: the uterine wall, or it lodges in the fallopian tubes,
Speaker 3: which is fatal if it's allowed to come to term.
Speaker 3: Why do we mess with things we know nothing about
Speaker 3: for some stupid emotional reason that because some stupid two
Speaker 3: thousand year old freaking mythology has been perverted into freaking
Speaker 3: making people die unnecessarily.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, the yeah, ultimately they have to put this one
Speaker 2: holy book above, don't. I don't know what the contexts
Speaker 2: millions of science books that talk about all of these
Speaker 2: topics related to you know, pregnancy, to abortion, to reproduction,
Speaker 2: to biological sex, all of the all of these books
Speaker 2: by experts, people who deeply understand the topic. No, no,
Speaker 2: forget out of them, just burn them out. Just the
Speaker 2: Bible is the one, the one that has the true.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, but which version of the Bible?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's one hundred English.
Speaker 1: New version, the original Aramaic version, the Greek version, version.
Speaker 3: Of the World version, there's a New World Bible.
Speaker 2: There's actually over four hundred just English versions, English alone.
Speaker 1: So we have these situation where we have a requirement
Speaker 1: for some reason that healthcare is denied simply because how
Speaker 1: is that acceptable in this dayana?
Speaker 2: It's hard for me to grasp because healthcare should be
Speaker 2: just a basic, like one of the most basic human
Speaker 2: rights that anyone can ask for, Like it literally keeps
Speaker 2: you alive, right, Like the type of health that you have,
Speaker 2: it's going to determine whether you're going to live a
Speaker 2: long life or not. So how is that not basic
Speaker 2: human right? And reading this story was just absolutely devastating
Speaker 2: for me. As I mentioned, this one is really close
Speaker 2: to home. It's happened right here in Houston where I live.
Speaker 2: And jose Ellie went to the HCA Houston Healthcare or Northwest,
Speaker 2: which is a hospital that I have been to several times.
Speaker 2: So I am just frightened to think that this could
Speaker 2: ever happen to me.
Speaker 1: Do you on the panel here view these losses as racist?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and misogynistic as well. You know that's obvious.
Speaker 3: But they're they're racist.
Speaker 1: Why racist? Why do you consider them racist?
Speaker 3: Because the overwhelming amount of people who end up getting
Speaker 3: caught up in this are people of color who don't
Speaker 3: have access like privileged people to medical care and certain
Speaker 3: medical care, and don't have the ability to travel to
Speaker 3: to take care of things like this. You know, I
Speaker 3: don't think that people are aware. I think they're deliberately
Speaker 3: unaware of of the privileges that they have as if
Speaker 3: they are, if they're like me, right, extremely white.
Speaker 1: So the other thing to bear in mind here is
Speaker 1: that obgu I n care in areas with high levels
Speaker 1: of abortion restrictions are non existent. Idaho is an g
Speaker 1: way in desert and it has one of the most
Speaker 1: restrictive abortion care statutes in America. North Dakota is similar,
Speaker 1: Texas is similar, Florida is on its way to being
Speaker 1: very similar. And to prosecute a doctor for saving the
Speaker 1: life of a patient is no different than prosecuting Samuel
Speaker 1: Mudd for setting John Wilkes's booth or Legg he was
Speaker 1: a doctor and he treated the patient in front of him.
Speaker 1: And no doctor, no matter who they are, ever should
Speaker 1: have to decide between their own freedom and their medical
Speaker 1: license and the best consist to their patient. How is
Speaker 1: that where we have got to?
Speaker 2: Agent? I don't know how we even got here, but
Speaker 2: to me, it seems like Texas, you know, states like
Speaker 2: Texas as you mentioned also Florida, that they expect every
Speaker 2: woman to have, you know, never make a mistake or
Speaker 2: you know, for contraception to never fail, and for every
Speaker 2: pregnancy to go without complication, for every woman to deliver,
Speaker 2: hug the baby to a healthy mom. And this is
Speaker 2: completely unrealistic. These are unrealistic expectations. I have several health
Speaker 2: this is that would put my life at risk. Okay,
Speaker 2: if I got pregnant, I have one child that I
Speaker 2: kind of risk my life a little bit to have,
Speaker 2: and so I do my best to prevent the pregnancy.
Speaker 2: But no contraception is one hundred percent fail proof, and
Speaker 2: if I was to get pregnant by accident, it seems
Speaker 2: that I will have no choice but to risk my
Speaker 2: own death. So I also wonder, like, how did we
Speaker 2: even get here to this point where my body autonomy
Speaker 2: is taken away, like I no longer have control over
Speaker 2: my body like it is. Their control is not even
Speaker 2: my doctor, not even under my doctor's control. It's just
Speaker 2: somebody in a way out there in the white house somewhere.
Speaker 2: You know, it's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3: And not to mention that you probably won't have conscious
Speaker 3: uptives here for a long either.
Speaker 1: Right Connecticut, that's looking like it's on the trucking block.
Speaker 1: But the thing to bear in mind when it comes
Speaker 1: toward of this is that what purpose does it actually
Speaker 1: serve here? What is the purpose of these bans, these
Speaker 1: restrictions and the medical myth that comes with it, the
Speaker 1: abortions cause all these dangers in this and that and
Speaker 1: the other. It's all a lot of bollocks, an absolute
Speaker 1: load of.
Speaker 3: Blocks, because it's driven by a religion, not by actual
Speaker 3: fact or medical uh or medical knowledge. It's driven by
Speaker 3: somebody's religious false religious beliefs that even their own book
Speaker 3: doesn't say that. And you know, it's like it's really sad,
Speaker 3: you know that. Yeah, Okay, I can see where you know,
Speaker 3: religions want to have as many butts in the pews
Speaker 3: as possible, considering that they're bleeding them. Every every year
Speaker 3: there's less and less parishioners, which means they're their gravy
Speaker 3: train is drying up. To quote somebody I know, somebody
Speaker 3: I know's father actually, I think, said that the grazy
Speaker 3: train to an easy life, right, So that's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's so sad, But it's not sad. It's disgusting that
Speaker 3: we are even at this place that they can't see
Speaker 3: that saving the life of the mother isn't even biologically
Speaker 3: saving the life of the child over the mother is
Speaker 3: not biologically maintainable. If you want that mother to have
Speaker 3: more kids, if the child's lost, she can still have children,
Speaker 3: if she has medical care, and so, you know, losing
Speaker 3: or miscarrying a child, it's not her fault. But if
Speaker 3: she can save the mechanism by which she can get pregnant,
Speaker 3: and she wants to get pregnant, a lot of these women,
Speaker 3: like the woman we're talking about in this article, wanted
Speaker 3: that child desperately, that child. It was an intentional pregnancy.
Speaker 1: It seems it's like, why.
Speaker 3: The hell would you would you hurt her on that
Speaker 3: or kill.
Speaker 1: On this show, we have discussed the number of very
Speaker 1: bizarre issues when it comes to this. For example, we
Speaker 1: discussed the banning of IDF effectively in Alabama, which was
Speaker 1: weird because it was more children. And we're now discussing
Speaker 1: banning of abortions because you're going to I just don't
Speaker 1: understand it. Help me out, AJ.
Speaker 2: The irony here for me is that all of these
Speaker 2: people pushing for abortion bands are pro life, okay, but
Speaker 2: they only care about their life when it's inside somebody else.
Speaker 2: As soon as that life comes out, like oh forget it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: women don't matter, children don't matter, transgender people don't matter.
Speaker 2: It's all about defeatos okay. And here in tech says,
Speaker 2: we have what's called the Heartbeat Bill, and it prevents
Speaker 2: doctors from ending the heartbeat of a fetus, regardless of
Speaker 2: the risk be imposed to the mother or whether the
Speaker 2: miscarriage is on their way, even if they even if
Speaker 2: it was the case of a wanted pregnancy, as John
Speaker 2: pointed out in this case that we were watting in
Speaker 2: this article, that was a oneted pregnancy, like she was
Speaker 2: not requesting an abortion. And there is no distinction in
Speaker 2: all of these legislations between abortion, miscarrious or termination due
Speaker 2: to the health risk to the mother. It's just absolutely
Speaker 2: incredibly ridiculous. Okay, because doctors are not allowed to people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know who these people are. And you know,
Speaker 3: the people who pass these kinds of laws should be
Speaker 3: subject to a accessory to murder charges whenever a woman
Speaker 3: dies for this.
Speaker 1: So have I overplayed their hand these people because we
Speaker 1: keep seeing our initiative are for ballot initiative that said
Speaker 1: abortion is fine, Kansas, Arizona, Michigan, all over America, people
Speaker 1: going abortions fine. How is it that we got to
Speaker 1: the position where as public thirty one percent of people
Speaker 1: are dictating to the sixty nine percent of people. How
Speaker 1: how did we allow this to occur?
Speaker 3: Because people became complacent and the other people became allowed
Speaker 3: and started protesting and started shooting doctors who were running
Speaker 3: abortion clinics, they called them. They're really just things like plant.
Speaker 1: Out of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's just the thing, is that a minority,
Speaker 3: very vocal and emotional group who were crying murder whenever
Speaker 3: an embryo is you know, frozen for somebody to have
Speaker 3: a baby later. Guys, I think you're kind of like
Speaker 3: being a little irrational here.
Speaker 1: You know, here's the iron of doctor Tiller. He was
Speaker 1: murdered in his own church. It just doesn't make any
Speaker 1: sense to me, doesn't make any sense to people.
Speaker 3: Are they're they're not after they're not after logical reasons.
Speaker 3: This is all an emotional issue for them, and it
Speaker 3: shouldn't be because it's none of their damn business what
Speaker 3: happens with other people's bodies.
Speaker 1: So where does this end? Where does this end?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, because you even have all
Speaker 2: of these elected leaderships that are not even keeping quiet
Speaker 2: about it. Okay, if anything is the opposite, especially here
Speaker 2: in Texas, many of our elected officials have been really
Speaker 2: out spoken about their stance and abortion. You have the
Speaker 2: famous tech crews happily advocated for the fall of Robbie Wade,
Speaker 2: and he said that pregnancy is not a life threadning illness.
Speaker 2: So I guess you don't deserve any type of medical
Speaker 2: occur if it's not an emergency. Greg Abbott, or governor,
Speaker 2: said earlier this year he promised that they won't protect
Speaker 2: the life of every child with a heartbeat, and they did.
Speaker 2: Every child will harp it like they call a viidos
Speaker 2: a child human already, and the Attorney General, Kem Paxton,
Speaker 2: he's been fighting abortions. You know, ever since he's been
Speaker 2: in office, and the latest thing that he wanted to
Speaker 2: do is access to out of state medical records. So
Speaker 2: he wants to go outside of Yea exactly like Goldfish
Speaker 2: for all these medical records of women that travel to
Speaker 2: get abortion care. He wants to prosecute people who drive
Speaker 2: someone outside of the state, and prosecute anyone that uses
Speaker 2: a highway, a state highway to go and get an abortion.
Speaker 2: Is absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: So I think we have found the end point of
Speaker 1: all of this.