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<v Speaker 1>Death becomes her not just the television show or the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>but the reality of abortion law in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>AJ Today, we're diving into a heartbreaking and complex story

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<v Speaker 2>that is very close to home here in Houston, Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about a young mother who died from sepsis after

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<v Speaker 2>her miscarrious care was delayed. Joselle Barnicai's doctors couldn't intervene

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<v Speaker 2>until her videos no longer had a heartbeat due to

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<v Speaker 2>Texas strict abortion laws. This left her vulnerable to a

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<v Speaker 2>fatal infection, and this case is a start example of

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<v Speaker 2>how the laws intended to prevent abortion can also create

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<v Speaker 2>deadly barriers to essential medical care, putting doctors in impossible

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<v Speaker 2>situations and ultimately costing lives. Republic investigated other cases where

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<v Speaker 2>restrictions have left doctors hesitant to act in emergency situations

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<v Speaker 2>because they you know, they're a phrase of persecution. This

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<v Speaker 2>story is from Pro Publica by Cassandra Jamarolo and Cavite

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<v Speaker 2>Serena on October thirtyth twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>As an Irish woman, as a trans woman, as a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>as a human being, and as somebody with humanity, this

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<v Speaker 1>is close to my heart. Nothing says absolute assholders than

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<v Speaker 1>people who make decisions that will never affect them. The

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<v Speaker 1>men and yes men who impose these restrictions will never

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<v Speaker 1>experience the consequences of these decisions. The men will never

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<v Speaker 1>die in a hospital bed from a bacterial infection leading

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<v Speaker 1>to sepsis because they couldn't get the healthcare they require.

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<v Speaker 1>Men will never scream in agony and beg a doctor

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<v Speaker 1>to save their life because the doctor is scared that

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor will be prosecuted if they save life. And

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<v Speaker 1>the men who pass this go magically quiet when the

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<v Speaker 1>consequences are thrown in their faces. And it is the

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<v Speaker 1>women and other pregnant people who suffer because men who

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<v Speaker 1>can't give up control decide beyond a reasonable doubt that

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<v Speaker 1>their ego and their demand to impose upon others their

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<v Speaker 1>point of view trumps somebody's life. As an Irish woman,

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you this. My country was disgusted and

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<v Speaker 1>changed its constitution. Somebody who lives in America, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a country get disgusted and re elect the people who

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<v Speaker 1>put it in place.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't really have any words for this

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<v Speaker 3>type of travesy and this type of brutal brutality towards

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<v Speaker 3>a half fifty one percent of your population or fifty

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<v Speaker 3>two percent. I just have no words for it. And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't you know, I am one of those people

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<v Speaker 3>who do not have a uterus, therefore not affect me directly,

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<v Speaker 3>except for the fact that I have a sister, and

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<v Speaker 3>I have nieces and grand nieces that will be affected

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<v Speaker 3>by this. You can very well be affected this, and

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<v Speaker 3>I had a mother, and that's just it's just not

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<v Speaker 3>something that men need to put their little dirty fingers in.

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<v Speaker 3>Let people make health care decisions with their licensed physician

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<v Speaker 3>and keep your keep your snotty hands out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's none of your damn business. Mind your own freaking business.

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<v Speaker 3>They made this. This issue was a made up issue,

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<v Speaker 3>used as a political wedge. They got people all excited

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<v Speaker 3>about it by a misreading of their Holy Book. The

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<v Speaker 3>misreading was that they had it right a long time ago,

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<v Speaker 3>because in their Holy Book it says life doesn't really

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<v Speaker 3>start until the first inspiration of breath at birth. But

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<v Speaker 3>they took that and they've twisted pretzeled themselves around fund

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<v Speaker 3>all sorts of passages in the Bible and other books

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<v Speaker 3>to try and make it so that it starts at conception,

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<v Speaker 3>which is ridiculous. Conceived ova that have been fertilized eggs

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<v Speaker 3>only lodge in the uterus approximately thirty percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 3>So if that's an actual human life that's being flushed

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<v Speaker 3>out with the monthly menstrual cycle, then aren't they really

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<v Speaker 3>murdering a lot of babies every month without even knowing

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<v Speaker 3>it because they don't even know they're pregnant and the

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<v Speaker 3>fertilized egg just passes right out, never even lodges in

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<v Speaker 3>the uterine wall, or it lodges in the fallopian tubes,

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<v Speaker 3>which is fatal if it's allowed to come to term.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do we mess with things we know nothing about

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<v Speaker 3>for some stupid emotional reason that because some stupid two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand year old freaking mythology has been perverted into freaking

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<v Speaker 3>making people die unnecessarily.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimately, the yeah, ultimately they have to put this one

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<v Speaker 2>holy book above, don't. I don't know what the contexts

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<v Speaker 2>millions of science books that talk about all of these

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<v Speaker 2>topics related to you know, pregnancy, to abortion, to reproduction,

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<v Speaker 2>to biological sex, all of the all of these books

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<v Speaker 2>by experts, people who deeply understand the topic. No, no,

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<v Speaker 2>forget out of them, just burn them out. Just the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible is the one, the one that has the true.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, but which version of the Bible?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, there's one hundred English.

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<v Speaker 1>New version, the original Aramaic version, the Greek version, version.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the World version, there's a New World Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>There's actually over four hundred just English versions, English alone.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have these situation where we have a requirement

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason that healthcare is denied simply because how

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<v Speaker 1>is that acceptable in this dayana?

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard for me to grasp because healthcare should be

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<v Speaker 2>just a basic, like one of the most basic human

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<v Speaker 2>rights that anyone can ask for, Like it literally keeps

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<v Speaker 2>you alive, right, Like the type of health that you have,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to determine whether you're going to live a

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<v Speaker 2>long life or not. So how is that not basic

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<v Speaker 2>human right? And reading this story was just absolutely devastating

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<v Speaker 2>for me. As I mentioned, this one is really close

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<v Speaker 2>to home. It's happened right here in Houston where I live.

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<v Speaker 2>And jose Ellie went to the HCA Houston Healthcare or Northwest,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a hospital that I have been to several times.

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<v Speaker 2>So I am just frightened to think that this could

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<v Speaker 2>ever happen to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you on the panel here view these losses as racist?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, and misogynistic as well. You know that's obvious.

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<v Speaker 3>But they're they're racist.

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<v Speaker 1>Why racist? Why do you consider them racist?

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<v Speaker 3>Because the overwhelming amount of people who end up getting

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<v Speaker 3>caught up in this are people of color who don't

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<v Speaker 3>have access like privileged people to medical care and certain

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<v Speaker 3>medical care, and don't have the ability to travel to

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<v Speaker 3>to take care of things like this. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think that people are aware. I think they're deliberately

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<v Speaker 3>unaware of of the privileges that they have as if

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<v Speaker 3>they are, if they're like me, right, extremely white.

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<v Speaker 1>So the other thing to bear in mind here is

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<v Speaker 1>that obgu I n care in areas with high levels

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<v Speaker 1>of abortion restrictions are non existent. Idaho is an g

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<v Speaker 1>way in desert and it has one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>restrictive abortion care statutes in America. North Dakota is similar,

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<v Speaker 1>Texas is similar, Florida is on its way to being

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<v Speaker 1>very similar. And to prosecute a doctor for saving the

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<v Speaker 1>life of a patient is no different than prosecuting Samuel

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<v Speaker 1>Mudd for setting John Wilkes's booth or Legg he was

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor and he treated the patient in front of him.

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<v Speaker 1>And no doctor, no matter who they are, ever should

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<v Speaker 1>have to decide between their own freedom and their medical

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<v Speaker 1>license and the best consist to their patient. How is

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<v Speaker 1>that where we have got to?

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<v Speaker 2>Agent? I don't know how we even got here, but

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<v Speaker 2>to me, it seems like Texas, you know, states like

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<v Speaker 2>Texas as you mentioned also Florida, that they expect every

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<v Speaker 2>woman to have, you know, never make a mistake or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for contraception to never fail, and for every

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<v Speaker 2>pregnancy to go without complication, for every woman to deliver,

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<v Speaker 2>hug the baby to a healthy mom. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>completely unrealistic. These are unrealistic expectations. I have several health

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<v Speaker 2>this is that would put my life at risk. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>if I got pregnant, I have one child that I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of risk my life a little bit to have,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I do my best to prevent the pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 2>But no contraception is one hundred percent fail proof, and

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<v Speaker 2>if I was to get pregnant by accident, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>that I will have no choice but to risk my

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<v Speaker 2>own death. So I also wonder, like, how did we

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<v Speaker 2>even get here to this point where my body autonomy

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<v Speaker 2>is taken away, like I no longer have control over

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<v Speaker 2>my body like it is. Their control is not even

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<v Speaker 2>my doctor, not even under my doctor's control. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>somebody in a way out there in the white house somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's absolutely ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>And not to mention that you probably won't have conscious

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<v Speaker 3>uptives here for a long either.

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<v Speaker 1>Right Connecticut, that's looking like it's on the trucking block.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing to bear in mind when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>toward of this is that what purpose does it actually

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<v Speaker 1>serve here? What is the purpose of these bans, these

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<v Speaker 1>restrictions and the medical myth that comes with it, the

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<v Speaker 1>abortions cause all these dangers in this and that and

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<v Speaker 1>the other. It's all a lot of bollocks, an absolute

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<v Speaker 1>load of.

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<v Speaker 3>Blocks, because it's driven by a religion, not by actual

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<v Speaker 3>fact or medical uh or medical knowledge. It's driven by

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<v Speaker 3>somebody's religious false religious beliefs that even their own book

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't say that. And you know, it's like it's really sad,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that. Yeah, Okay, I can see where you know,

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<v Speaker 3>religions want to have as many butts in the pews

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<v Speaker 3>as possible, considering that they're bleeding them. Every every year

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<v Speaker 3>there's less and less parishioners, which means they're their gravy

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<v Speaker 3>train is drying up. To quote somebody I know, somebody

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<v Speaker 3>I know's father actually, I think, said that the grazy

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<v Speaker 3>train to an easy life, right, So that's yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's so sad, But it's not sad. It's disgusting that

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<v Speaker 3>we are even at this place that they can't see

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<v Speaker 3>that saving the life of the mother isn't even biologically

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<v Speaker 3>saving the life of the child over the mother is

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<v Speaker 3>not biologically maintainable. If you want that mother to have

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<v Speaker 3>more kids, if the child's lost, she can still have children,

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<v Speaker 3>if she has medical care, and so, you know, losing

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<v Speaker 3>or miscarrying a child, it's not her fault. But if

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<v Speaker 3>she can save the mechanism by which she can get pregnant,

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<v Speaker 3>and she wants to get pregnant, a lot of these women,

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<v Speaker 3>like the woman we're talking about in this article, wanted

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<v Speaker 3>that child desperately, that child. It was an intentional pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems it's like, why.

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<v Speaker 3>The hell would you would you hurt her on that

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<v Speaker 3>or kill.

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<v Speaker 1>On this show, we have discussed the number of very

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre issues when it comes to this. For example, we

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<v Speaker 1>discussed the banning of IDF effectively in Alabama, which was

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<v Speaker 1>weird because it was more children. And we're now discussing

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<v Speaker 1>banning of abortions because you're going to I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand it. Help me out, AJ.

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<v Speaker 2>The irony here for me is that all of these

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<v Speaker 2>people pushing for abortion bands are pro life, okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>they only care about their life when it's inside somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as that life comes out, like oh forget it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>women don't matter, children don't matter, transgender people don't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about defeatos okay. And here in tech says,

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<v Speaker 2>we have what's called the Heartbeat Bill, and it prevents

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<v Speaker 2>doctors from ending the heartbeat of a fetus, regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>the risk be imposed to the mother or whether the

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<v Speaker 2>miscarriage is on their way, even if they even if

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<v Speaker 2>it was the case of a wanted pregnancy, as John

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<v Speaker 2>pointed out in this case that we were watting in

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<v Speaker 2>this article, that was a oneted pregnancy, like she was

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<v Speaker 2>not requesting an abortion. And there is no distinction in

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<v Speaker 2>all of these legislations between abortion, miscarrious or termination due

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<v Speaker 2>to the health risk to the mother. It's just absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly ridiculous. Okay, because doctors are not allowed to people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we know who these people are. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the people who pass these kinds of laws should be

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<v Speaker 3>subject to a accessory to murder charges whenever a woman

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<v Speaker 3>dies for this.

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<v Speaker 1>So have I overplayed their hand these people because we

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<v Speaker 1>keep seeing our initiative are for ballot initiative that said

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<v Speaker 1>abortion is fine, Kansas, Arizona, Michigan, all over America, people

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<v Speaker 1>going abortions fine. How is it that we got to

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<v Speaker 1>the position where as public thirty one percent of people

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<v Speaker 1>are dictating to the sixty nine percent of people. How

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<v Speaker 1>how did we allow this to occur?

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<v Speaker 3>Because people became complacent and the other people became allowed

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<v Speaker 3>and started protesting and started shooting doctors who were running

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<v Speaker 3>abortion clinics, they called them. They're really just things like plant.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And that's just the thing, is that a minority,

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<v Speaker 3>very vocal and emotional group who were crying murder whenever

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<v Speaker 3>an embryo is you know, frozen for somebody to have

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<v Speaker 3>a baby later. Guys, I think you're kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>being a little irrational here.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, here's the iron of doctor Tiller. He was

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<v Speaker 1>murdered in his own church. It just doesn't make any

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me, doesn't make any sense to people.

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<v Speaker 3>Are they're they're not after they're not after logical reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>This is all an emotional issue for them, and it

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't be because it's none of their damn business what

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<v Speaker 3>happens with other people's bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>So where does this end? Where does this end?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, because you even have all

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<v Speaker 2>of these elected leaderships that are not even keeping quiet

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Okay, if anything is the opposite, especially here

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<v Speaker 2>in Texas, many of our elected officials have been really

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<v Speaker 2>out spoken about their stance and abortion. You have the

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<v Speaker 2>famous tech crews happily advocated for the fall of Robbie Wade,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said that pregnancy is not a life threadning illness.

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess you don't deserve any type of medical

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<v Speaker 2>occur if it's not an emergency. Greg Abbott, or governor,

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<v Speaker 2>said earlier this year he promised that they won't protect

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<v Speaker 2>the life of every child with a heartbeat, and they did.

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<v Speaker 2>Every child will harp it like they call a viidos

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<v Speaker 2>a child human already, and the Attorney General, Kem Paxton,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been fighting abortions. You know, ever since he's been

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<v Speaker 2>in office, and the latest thing that he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>do is access to out of state medical records. So

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to go outside of Yea exactly like Goldfish

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<v Speaker 2>for all these medical records of women that travel to

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<v Speaker 2>get abortion care. He wants to prosecute people who drive

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<v Speaker 2>someone outside of the state, and prosecute anyone that uses

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<v Speaker 2>a highway, a state highway to go and get an abortion.

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<v Speaker 2>Is absolutely insane.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think we have found the end point of

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<v Speaker 1>all of this.