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Speaker 1: What is going on in our skies?

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Speaker 2: This is over my house right now? What is that

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our military pilots are seeing them?

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Speaker 1: There's a whole queen.

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Speaker 3: Have a look on thefa Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: They are flying above critical infrastructure and military bases in

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New Jersey, New York, and worldwide.

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Speaker 3: As the sightings mystery drones grows to more states beyond

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just New Jersey and New York, the federal government is

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under increasing pressure to do something about.

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Speaker 2: How could anyone speculate or issue assurances to thousands millions

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of Americans who have witnesses thousands who have witnessed the

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drones that there is no threat.

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Speaker 1: The Biden administration is scrambling to cover it up. We

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are still investigating this, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, telling people that they were nuts or that they

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didn't know what they were seeing with their own eyes.

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Speaker 2: It's possible that they could be owned by private citizens.

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Speaker 4: Why don't we know, John, That's the point. Why don't

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Why doesn't the United States government know?

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Speaker 1: This?

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Speaker 3: Is?

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Speaker 1: It seems silly.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it feels a lot like the Chinese spy balloons.

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Speaker 1: Is shocking.

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Speaker 4: I got to tell you, this is shocking, Okay, And

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I'm not the only person who feels this way. This

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was happening at Langley a month ago. Okay, these people

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are not crazy. They're seeing these things with their own eyes.

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This is not normal behavior. They are not plans that

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are coming in one direction.

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Speaker 2: You cannot trust the government to tell you the truth

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about what is happening above America's skies. So what do

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we do? Take matters into our own hands. Welcome to

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the Good Trouble Show. I'm Matt Ford. UAPs otherwise known

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as UFOs, are in the news as drones are flying

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all over the world with impunity, and the Biden administration

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is working over time to cover it up.

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Speaker 1: So here's the question to our mutual friend, mister Ford.

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First of all, welcome Matt. I hope we have more

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conversations going forward. Appreciate what you're trying to do. Thank you, Chris.

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Either they don't know or they don't want us to know.

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Which do you think it is?

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Speaker 3: And why? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Chris, thanks thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, really the takeaway here, You know,

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when you when you hear the testimony from Officer Grooms,

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it demonstrates that the Biden Harris administration is absolutely gas

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lighting Americans. I mean, you know, just look at the

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clip that you played of Pete but a judge, you know,

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making fun of it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, despite mounting concerns from local authorities in

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New Jersey and elsewhere, the White House is just not

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being honest with the American people. They want, you know,

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they want the Americans to think that this is something new.

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Speaker 1: I think it was n a C.

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Speaker 2: National Security Council spokes Admiral John Kirby said, you know, oh,

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you know, we want the same answers as you do.

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But with Chris's story and others, it lays there that

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this is a nation wide dating back to at least

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twenty nineteen. What occurred in Colorado and Nebraska just last year,

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you know, December of last year, in twenty twenty three,

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Langley Air Force Space was virtually shut down by massive

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swarms of drones. They had to relocate, relocate an entire

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wing of F twenty two fighters. Just this Thanksgiving of

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this year, you know, prior to what happened in New Jersey,

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these things began showing up over our Joint Air Force

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baces in the UK. They are showing up at NATO

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bases in Europe and Germany Andrew's Air Force Space recently

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had to shut down their airspace. They are in Nebraska,

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New York. You know, the drones over Nebraska in twenty nineteen.

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What you know what Officer Grooms is referring to. You know,

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these these are virtually identical in description and behavior to

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what is being reported now.

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Speaker 1: You know so so, Chris.

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Speaker 2: It leads to the question, why the disparity in decision

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making for shootdowns between you know what you had the

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Chinese balloons and the drones.

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Speaker 1: You know, both caused public alarm and concern.

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Speaker 2: Why is the Biden administration now not reacting to these

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these drones? You know, you have a New Jersey mayor

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who said they hovered over his home with the same

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seriousness as they did with the Chinese balloons. You know

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why the difference, And it's just it's negligent. In my opinion,

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the Biden administration is not doing anything about these drones

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or Jones as I mistakenly called them on Chris Cuomo's

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show on News Nation for that matter.

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Speaker 1: The reason is simple.

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Speaker 2: We cannot trust the government to tell us what is

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happening in our skies. So today we have two guests

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that are taking matters into their own hands. They are

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scientific trailblazers and UAP research with a recently published paper

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in Scientific Research Publishing. Returning to our show for a

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second time with new UAP developments, Please welcome researchers Gerald Tedesco,

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John Tedesco and unfortunately Donald leite Nardo was not able

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to join us today. Guys, thanks for joining us. Welcome

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back to the show. I'm glad I didn't scare you

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guys off.

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Speaker 3: We survived the last time. Actually was fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it definitely was.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the biggest news this fall was the.

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Speaker 2: Congressional UAP hearing, and I'm curious what each of you

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Speaker 1: What were your takeaways of the hearing?

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Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting. Uh, I'd like to I'd

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like to have seen more people testifying, but it was

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the people testified were solid and with Admiral Tim Gallaudett

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and dull Asando and and UH and Michael Schollenberger and

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uh there I in a testimony and like Cheryld said,

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it was, you know, it's it's it's solid testimony. I

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do wish they were you know, more information could have

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been shared. Uh you know, I guess that sort of

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lay to date as far as you know, getting it

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into some kind of a skiff.

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Speaker 2: Were there any bombshells for you as far as the

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hearing goes, did it did it deliver or was it

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a letdown? What were your expectations going into it.

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Speaker 3: I think it might have been maybe a little bit

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a lackluster, But I mean I can certainly understand why,

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you know, I mean, certain pieces of information would be

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very uh you know, it's in the name of you know,

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security and that sort of thing. It's I mean, I

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can certainly understand why it would be uh, you know,

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why it would be protected.

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Speaker 2: Now, the other big news is that just yesterday, your

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paper unraveling mystique long delay echoes anomalist propagation of radar

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signals under the influence of UAP was officially accepted in

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the Open Journal of Applied Science. So, uh yeah, So congratulations, guys,

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this in detail, but seems like a pretty big deal, right.

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Speaker 3: I think so, I think I think the science community

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hyperspectral data, the light our measurements as well as UH

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Speaker 2: And and there have been so clearly since you guys

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a significant amount of new results, right that are that

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return pulses from several different radar systems. We've studied this

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some some speculation, some conclusions on it as far as

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getting that that was anomalous.

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Speaker 1: Got it now?

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Speaker 2: And before we move on, I have to ask, are

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you guys in your basement or where are you? No?

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Speaker 3: This is We're actually sitting inside the mobile laboratory Nikrola

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and a little congested. You see instrumentation all around us here.

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instruments are pushing us out.

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Speaker 2: And I have to ask, does it get like hotter

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than hell in there with all of that gear?

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Speaker 3: It's it's you know, it's got climate control. We got

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air conditioning and sofia, so it it keeps it relatively

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anomalous readings on our measurements as well, keep you know,

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Speaker 2: Completely understand. Yeah, Before I think it was about a

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year ago. I was running this whole show without an

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Speaker 1: It's it's around what I think, thirty pages long.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's it's a thirty page document. It's go ahead, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Down a little bit. But yeah, just walk walk us

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Speaker 3: So the uh, the paper like, so it's it's thirty

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within our line of sight. We train our radars out

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on ships out on the horizon that roughly about anywhere

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between ten and twenty miles away, and uh, whenever we

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have these anomalies on the radar, we it's always in

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the vicinity of a of a an anomalous object that

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seems to be in the line of sight with the

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with the radar scanner, our you know, our viewpoint and

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the ship itself that's out at sea, and what comes

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back is something interesting. It's a you know, we've we've

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discussed it with uh some of the radar manufacturers and uh,

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you know, it doesn't align with the typical interference patterns

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that you that you get on a radar that would

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be induced by the environment or other reflective objects. This

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is quite quite different. And what we believe is happening

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is that there is some kind of a gravitational possibly

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a gravitational lensing going on around these objects that is

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interfering with the returns in the field of view and

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doing so in such a way that it causes these

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returns to come back late. I know there's been some

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there's been some studies about GPS signals as well, uh

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doing the same thing that they they they're they're actually

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delayed and they cause they cause a staggering of the

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ADSB signals that that are being monitored by you know,

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sometimes the towers and and and anybody else that has

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uh ADSB capability, which is uh, you know, looking at

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that you know, those those uh tracking signals between the planes,

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the towers and of course the the receivers. So this

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is something that you know, we've like I said, we've

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we've encountered for over two years now and there seems

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to be some statistical significance to them. So the number

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of times that we're seeing this uh in the company

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of these, these these objects, these anomalies that were seeing

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and these.

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Speaker 2: And these and starting interapt but describe the describe exactly

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what you're seeing as far as anomalous objects. When when

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when you're getting this kind of weird radar behavior.

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Speaker 3: Right, So, so in the document itself, you know, we

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show a map of Long Island basically where we're seeing them.

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There's there's there's two different locations primary locations. One is

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on the south shore on the on a barrier island

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called Robin Moses State Park. The other one is at

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Cedar Beach on the north shore, which overlooks the sound,

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the Long Island sounds. In both cases, we're seeing these

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anomalies periodically and whenever these anomalies are in the like

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I said, in the field of view of the radar pulse,

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the radar transmission, we have these uh, these returns, these

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distorted returns, which is producing with the you know, it's

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class why it's an interference pattern.

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Speaker 1: Are you seeing? Are you seeing orbs? Are you seeing

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solid craft? You know what exactly do you see?

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Speaker 3: They're most of the time what we're seeing is we're

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seeing these orb like objects or or as we described them,

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when the illuminosity drops, these they have these polyhedral type

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shape a structure under them, right. So this is this

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is an example of one. There's a there's a fishing shape,

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a fishing boat out on the on the the ocean

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on the horizon. The fishing boat is out there roughly

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about sixteen hundred meters, and there is an object that

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is between the fishing boat and our our lineup site

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with the radar. The object itself is not as far

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out as the fishing boat, but it's within it's within

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the line of site between the fishing boat and the

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the the raido mantena.

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Speaker 2: Okay okay, So so it's it's between your eye point

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and and the boat itself.

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Speaker 1: So it's somewhere in.

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Speaker 3: Between exactly exactly. And the paper explores, uh, you know,

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uh barely technically what's going on with the radars themselves.

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This is an example of a millimeter wave radars, a

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portable radar system. This is in the eight millimeter band.

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So they're they're very very very very short wavelength beams

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and uh, they're you know, they we we utilize the

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Doppler effect, which is objects that move. If they move

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closer to us, of course it's a compression of higher frequency.

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If they move away, they actually, uh the frequency decreases

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quite a bit and we can tell the speed. We

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can tell with certain characteristics, we can tell the distance

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of the object from where we are. And I mull

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go through all the detail here as far as how

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we're how we're measuring it. But uh, you know, this

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is basically looking at the day on a piece of

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instrument called a digital storage of siloscope. So we're providing

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these timing signals to the radar and we're looking at

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these signals in return there. Okay, now let me just

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show you some of the anomalies that we're getting. So

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this is what we see on we have a vertical

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scanning radar and that's in the geometry is such that

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the beam rotates one hundred and eighty degrees above us.

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Ok And it's looking at one hundred about one hundred

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and sixty five degrees the sky. And again, you know,

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this radar is a different system than we're using with

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the horizontal scan. There are two independent radars, two independent antennas,

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and they're not synchronized together at all, and we're seeing

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the same form of interference on both radars when these

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objects are present. Now, if you look at this the

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screen itself, the displays this is what they call it

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a PPI and it's a plant position indicator. You see

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a pattern here. These are multiple returns of an object

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that's out almost twelve miles. And you'll see that these

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these these patterns, they seem to they seem to bounce

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across the screen as the as the radome is rotating

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around the third the third display, the third image to

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the right, the last one on the right on the

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upper the upper the upper image on If you look

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at the ten o'clock position, you'll see rings there and

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each ring represents one mile. Okay, Now between the between

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the third the third ring, which is which is three miles,

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you'll see that you'll see that there's an object sitting

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at abound about three point four miles from from the center.

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The center is where we're at. What's happening is we

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believe that whatever the the whatever this forces around this object,

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a gravitational lens of some kind of gravitational force is

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causing these beams to come back late. And what happens

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is as the radar is scanning, they put put the

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beam at a different location on the scope. Not only

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that you have multiple echoes, you have an object that

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seems to be you know, seems to be almost like

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if you put something under a lens, it's magnified at times.

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So these objects they seem to be coming back a

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little bit sooner. And that's that's what you see on

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the display.

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Speaker 2: So looking at the top right panel number three, the

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top right image there that dot at the ten o'clock position,

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that is a UAP.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's what we believe is an unknown that's an

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anomalous formation out there, anominally subject. We've seen, you know,

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quite a few of them. They seem to have the

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same basic signatures that we've been seeing over a period

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of time. And again when these when these objects are

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in this case here, we got lucky we actually had

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it on the radar an intimate return, but they're not.

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That's not always the case. These objects have a tendency

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not to show up on radar. And again we believe

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that that that might be some form of gravitational lensing,

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and that that might be affecting radars in general, any

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radar's out there. Is that you have these intimate returns

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or null return at all, simply because the radio waves

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are not coming back in a predictable manner.

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Speaker 2: Now with with that particular image there, the one on

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the top right, the dot at the ten o'clock position.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh, did you guys make visual contact of something

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at why you were taking that image?

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Speaker 3: Yes, every one of these objects. What we're what we're

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doing is we're looking at when these anomalies occur, we're

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looking at the sky in detail, you know, with our

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hyperspectral cameras. So if it's something we don't see visually,

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we might see on the IRU, the near IR, the

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or the the uh this this the short wave the

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deeper I are. Okay, sometimes they show up visually and

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we can see them, but as again, as long as

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there they seem to be in a line of sight

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with the between the radar scanner the antenna itself. And

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the target. That's when we have these anomalies occur. And

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you know, like out of I would say, out of

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thirty different measurements that we've had, we've had roughly about

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eighteen that have come back with this anomaly and which

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is you know, uh, statistically significant.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So walk us through some of the other

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images there if you don't mind, actually go back to

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the radar. I'd love to see a little bit more

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if you could explain maybe a couple more of the

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panels that you have there as examples.

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Speaker 3: Sure, So, so this is this, these are these are

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six different cases that we've analyzed. The first you'll see

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you'll see this pattern, this y pattern. Okay, that's uh,

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that's shown multiple reflections and multiple echoes based on time

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and distance. Which is which is interesting.

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Speaker 1: And which which one? Which image here? Out of what

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you see.

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Speaker 3: First, it's the it's the first image on the top

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top left the left here on the left. Yeah, so

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you have on the on the on the left foot

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of these these screen here you'll see it says eight

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nautical miles right, each ring represents it two miles two

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miles a distance. Okay, So you know from these center

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outs you have two four to six eight eight miles

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altogether these rings. So you know, we don't have a

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defined location, we don't have it defined distance simply because

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we're getting this this interference that is producing these anomalies

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on the radar, on the on the PPI.

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Speaker 2: So so basically, so what I'm seeing here, So this

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is the dotted line at say like four o'clock and

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uh like eight thirty.

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Speaker 1: Those those are the anomalies.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you got you got one that's a little

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after twelve. You have the other one at like say

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a thirty or four o'clock. Yeah, so those are the anomalies. Uh.

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In the bottom we have you know, uh different different

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uh sporadic patterns and and uh the patterns themselves are

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closely grouped. And here we have, you know, on the

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lower left, we have a scatter pattern which produces it's

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a single scatter, but it's in the wrong location. The

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object that we saw was actually uh north of the

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of the antenor. And this this is occurring, this reflection

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is is occurring more towards the west southwest. Got it, yep,

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and the same the same image just to the just

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to the to the right. The second the middle image

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on the bottom said showing the same or very similar anomaly.

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This is more concentrated, but multiple reflections again. And then

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you have the last on the last image on the

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lower rate, which is showing these multiple anomalies, but again

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the scattered patterns or or all over the all over

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the pp I there they should be one, there should

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be one object. Obviously, you know, there's there's quite a

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bit of interference going on here and it's uh, you know,

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these are we believe it believe it is due to

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late reflections. And this is something we've analyzed with the

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We look at the i Q signals coming back off

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the you know, off the IF part of they call

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an intermediate frequency part of the radar, and this gives

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us some indication of what's going on. Those i Q

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signals are responsible for giving us a position, a vector, position, location,

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and of course distance. This is one of the objects

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that we saw. Uh, this is a blue orbit or

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of light. There is a ship that is out on

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the on the water to a smaller ship and what

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you see here is the orb that is just over

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the horizon over the water and this has actually moved

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roughly to the left about about thirty six degrees from

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where we originally tracked it, with the ship at about

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roughly about forty degrees. The interference we don't. We no

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longer have those interference patterns. And this is what we're

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looking at here. The ship itsel up, sorry I said

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a smaller ship. The ship itself is a large ship.

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It's off to the right. And this object, this is

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this is at a point in time when those interference patterns,

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those echoes were no longer in issue, all right, And

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this is this is a different and independent, totally independent

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radar system. This is the horizontal scan. So this is

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working like a typical marine based radar. You have a

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scanner that's rotating three hundred and sixty degrees horizon. And

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that's the image on the right. The blue radars display

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right right, yes, yeah, yeah, Just to differentiate between the two.

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The radar on the right, the blue, the trone, the

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pillar image. The chromer image is a is a horizontal

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scan and the monochrome is on the left. That's that's

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a vertical scanning radar. Now what's interesting about this is

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it shows correlation. We have an object out there that

477
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:32,839
both radars, two independent platforms are doing exactly the same thing.

478
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,480
They're producing an echo, a multiple return echo with delay.

479
00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 2: So when you're seeing this with with these two images,

480
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,920
it's two separate radar systems that are simultaneously picking up

481
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:53,839
picking up this interference pattern while also you are observing

482
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,240
a orb in that vicinity.

483
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, yes, and that's where the core relation comes

484
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,720
in between two radars. Uh, the object itself and and

485
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,200
of course the using a ship as a reference. That's

486
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,119
that's what we want, we want to we want to

487
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,680
we want a large ship with a with a large return,

488
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:16,480
a big return on the on the on the detection.

489
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:19,880
So you were sending a pulse out there, the ship

490
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,400
gives us it's a large target. It gives us a

491
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,839
large return. And what we're looking for is anything that

492
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,480
anomalists that might be in a line of sight that

493
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:33,799
can cause this kind of a an interference pattern, which

494
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,279
again I'm.

495
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry when I when I'm looking at what I'm

496
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,759
looking at here, where is the ship on this radar display?

497
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: Okay, so the ship on this you will see this

498
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,160
bright area over here. Uh, in the you'll see a

499
00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:50,000
I don't think you can see my mouse here. So

500
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,480
in the northern section at the top of the screen

501
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,920
on the on the horizontal radar, the blue the blue

502
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,079
displays right, you'll see you'll see a white blister.

503
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: At the very very top, like at the edge of

504
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,079
the scale.

505
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:08,759
Speaker 3: Yes, yeh, yes, that's the ship. Wow, that's the ship. Yes.

506
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:10,880
And so the ship is the ship is out you

507
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,200
know quite a ways. This is each each ring represents

508
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,920
represents twelve miles. Uh, so we got a ship that's

509
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,079
just just over thirty six miles out there. It's quite

510
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,440
quite a wayte And we've had we had multiple sightings

511
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:28,000
this night of objects that were out there. And uh,

512
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:32,240
these echoes that we've gotten in one night alone, we

513
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:34,599
we got we had four of them, four different types

514
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:40,200
of echoes. And I believe go ahead, mate, yes.

515
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,839
Speaker 2: I was just going to ask, what is the length

516
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,960
of time that that this interference pattern is present in

517
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,880
the radar display?

518
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: On average, it seems to be only apparent when the

519
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,400
object is in the line of a line of sight.

520
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,599
You know, that's obscuring that right right, and and you know, uh,

521
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:02,839
the angles so far that we've come up with is

522
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,119
roughly an arc of about forty degrees, I think, you know,

523
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,200
So this is something that we would you know, we

524
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,400
need to explore further. But uh, like I said, it's

525
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,039
a you know, this is something that we see on

526
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:18,799
both radar systems, and the object is high enough at

527
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:22,200
an altitude where a vertical scanning radar's picking it up

528
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,039
and producing a very similar pattern.

529
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: Does it Does this tell us exactly how high the

530
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:31,559
the object is?

531
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: No? No, Unfortunately with these scans here, we were not

532
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:39,799
able to get the radar to get a return on

533
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:43,440
the on the object itself. Uh. If we do get them,

534
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,359
they're they're intermittent at best, and there are times that

535
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,480
they don't seem to be in the same location. But

536
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,119
typically if we're talking about just tracking the object without

537
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,960
the interference patterns, if we see the object, we can

538
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,759
we can. Uh, it'll give us depending on where it

539
00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:02,759
is on those concentric circles and what's the setting is

540
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:05,599
the measurement setting, we can determine its elevation and it's

541
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,119
it's asthma right right where that's and that's that's predetermined.

542
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:13,160
You know, before this, before we've documented these particular anomalies.

543
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen this sort of interference pattern when

544
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:22,640
there is you know, clear weather, daytime and no, No, UAP.

545
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,319
Speaker 3: No, No, we see something similar, but it does it

546
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:32,839
doesn't produce the same pattern. We'll see something that's that's truncated,

547
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,960
it's abbreviated. You'll see you'll see maybe a single linear

548
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:42,079
line UH with with maybe several echoes, never to a

549
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:45,079
point where you got you know, as many as we've

550
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,440
counted as many as thirty echoes within that beam moving along. Now, Okay,

551
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,359
so there's there's two distinct UH interference patterns that we've

552
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,119
been studying. One is we classify as uf ees the

553
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:07,400
UH unexplained field echos or unidentified field echos. And then

554
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,559
we have this one here, this pattern that you you

555
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:12,039
look you look at right now, UH, this is this

556
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:16,759
is what we believe is the is is UH is

557
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:19,400
long delay echoes. So this is when the beam is

558
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,519
coming back late. And what's happening is it's it's scattered

559
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:26,839
around the radius of the of the PPI, the radar

560
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,400
PI p BI. It's UH. What's happening is that the

561
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,559
radar makes it the the scatter makes a complete three

562
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:37,799
hundred and sixty degree rotation in two point five seconds

563
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,680
on this on the scope, and these objects are delaying

564
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:47,160
the UH. The returns that misses that, there's a five

565
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,440
point two degree window, uh you know, a small wedge,

566
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,720
you know, and then that reflects the the the horizontal

567
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,160
uh degree of the of the antenna itself. So in

568
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,799
other words, the the the beam exits the antenna, and

569
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:09,079
the antenna gives it a five point two degree angle

570
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,200
between edge to edge, and within that five point two

571
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,640
degree that's that's that arc five point two to b

572
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:22,160
arc is rotating at two point five seconds every every scan,

573
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,119
every three hundred and sixty degrees of rotation. So these

574
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,640
see signals if they if they they missed that window,

575
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:31,920
and they not, they're not picked up by the antenna.

576
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,200
They could be picked up or ignored well or like say,

577
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,720
ignored or picked up the second or third or fourth

578
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,359
time around. And this is what we sought to get

579
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,559
these long trails, and we've seen it recently, even after

580
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:50,359
this this document is published, that these trails will go

581
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,920
completely around the scope three hundred and sixty degrees without

582
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,119
any brakes. Yeah, basically, to delay if you're using a

583
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:03,319
ship is a reference point and these objects are obstructing

584
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:08,079
that or obstruct or including that view. But it's delay,

585
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,639
and maybe delaying is the return signal. And it's what

586
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,679
you're doing is you're getting a long it stretches the object.

587
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,280
It looks like it expands the object, whether it's a ship,

588
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,400
and it'll stretch it along to get a long, solid return.

589
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,639
Speaker 2: And again, what I'm looking at here, so the kind

590
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:29,239
of like arc uh returns. So on the top left

591
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,320
one the arc return that I'm seeing sort of like

592
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,800
between you know.

593
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: Ten ten to midnight.

594
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 2: That that's an interference pattern as well as what's almost

595
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:39,480
mirrored at.

596
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,199
Speaker 3: The bottom exactly exactly it's uh and it's in that

597
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,159
it's in that radius. It always stays within the same radius.

598
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,440
So in this case here we're looking at eight nautical miles.

599
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,000
It's two and two nautical miles per ring, and you

600
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:55,360
have one, two, three, got four rings altogether. So this

601
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,320
object is just it's just over six miles roughly about

602
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,760
six point four miles.

603
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:05,679
Speaker 2: Now is the object just again just trying to understand

604
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:06,760
what I'm looking at here?

605
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: Is are there two objects?

606
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,679
Speaker 2: Is there one at the top of the display and

607
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,639
then one behind you.

608
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:18,199
Speaker 3: No, No, that's the the the the the the uh.

609
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:22,920
The distortion that you see, that's a that's an interference distortion.

610
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,519
That's a late return. What's happening is putting. It's putting

611
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:30,280
the the the object the original signal almost one hundred

612
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,159
and eighty degrees about Okay, So it's it's it's literally

613
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,079
painting this this object over and over and over again

614
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,079
in that range region region, and so.

615
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: Is the object.

616
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 3: So the object to the object in this case is

617
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,920
six point four miles out.

618
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:48,079
Speaker 1: Okay.

619
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: If you look in the right on the right display

620
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:56,800
the PPI, you'll see on the roughly the twelve thirty

621
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,199
position on the top.

622
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: Right.

623
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:04,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll see you'll see a small object. Actually it's

624
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:06,199
not small, it's it's quite a large optic because it's

625
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,280
it's it's a it's a large ship. That that is

626
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,239
the that's the original target. It's almost at the one

627
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,079
o'clock position, right. So, but what you're seeing behind it,

628
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:19,719
that trail, that long trail, Those are those are echoes.

629
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,960
Those are those are those are either delayed echoes or

630
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,880
the or they're propagated echoes that are being picked up

631
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,400
with multiple scans of the UH of the scanner, the

632
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:34,159
rotating scanner. All right, So the next two images, UH,

633
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:40,000
you're looking at a second type of interference pattern, which

634
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:43,519
we believe is an anomalous propagation of the radio wave.

635
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,239
And uh, this is something that we believe is a

636
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:54,599
uh it's a an LDE or long delay echo. And

637
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,960
of course you know, again this is something that you

638
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,960
know has been around, uh since the since the NAT

639
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,159
eighteen twenties with radio engineers, but of course with the

640
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:08,599
advent of radar. It's it's visualized in such a way

641
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:12,400
that you know, you can see you could see multiple

642
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:17,639
echoes being craaced behind the original targets. So if you

643
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:21,599
look at the right, the right image, the chromer image,

644
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:24,599
the blue yet a blue image on the right, which

645
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:28,320
is is the horizontal scan right and at the roughly

646
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,000
the one o'clock twelve thirty position, you'll see an object

647
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,880
that is on then of a set of metric it's

648
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,599
a metric grid on the edge of the scope there

649
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:46,480
giving an indication of angle. Okay, so that object is

650
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:48,800
sitting right on the grid. That's that's the ship. That's

651
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,079
that's a large ship that's out there behind the ship.

652
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:57,320
What you see is you see yes, so in this case,

653
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,199
to the right of the ship, you'll see multiple echoes,

654
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,360
multiple echo returns. And the reason we believe that you're seeing.

655
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,840
That is because the radio mantena, the scanner within the

656
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,039
radio mantena rotates, it's rotating at it's two and a

657
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:23,360
half seconds per revolution, and it's catching these signals coming

658
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,239
back late. Now, this is something that we've actually been

659
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,719
able to visualize on another piece of equipment called a

660
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,280
d s O or a digital storage a celloscope UH.

661
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,400
And with that we can actually see the timing relationships

662
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,440
of the signals that are coming back the transmitted signal

663
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:42,840
versus the received signal. And there seems to be a

664
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,079
an odd number of returns coming back when when they're

665
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:53,559
when they're UH when we're looking at these returns with

666
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:57,840
an anomalous object in the field of view, and this

667
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:03,280
has happened, This has happened many times. In this case here,

668
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,360
what's happening is we believe that these returns coming back

669
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,559
late are actually tracing UH an outline around a range

670
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:18,880
ring and sometimes almost completely or completely around the circle

671
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,760
radius there the complete circle along that radius. So we'll

672
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,039
we might have this dark area that you see, this

673
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:30,920
this this reddish area, well you know, run completely around

674
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,320
the PPI display, okay, and then actually meet up with

675
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,800
the target again. And that red is indicating a solid target. Yes,

676
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,880
that's a solid return. You know, if we're looking at

677
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:47,000
weather weather phenomena, whether it's a cloud, bases, or we're

678
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:52,559
looking at uh, you know, uh, heavy sea spray or rain.

679
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,559
You know, Uh, those targets are generally grainy. They don't

680
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:02,119
have the kind of energy coming back, so they'll be

681
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:05,599
at there'll be uh painted on the screen in much

682
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:13,400
lighter colors, actually towards white on the on the the

683
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:15,360
left side of the screen, the left image is a

684
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,719
completely independent radar system. This is the This is a

685
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,159
vertical scanning radar, okay, And what's happening here is that

686
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,440
of course, the you know, we're scanning one hundred and

687
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,159
eighty degrees in one direction, one hundred and sixty five

688
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,920
of which is our is our scanning radius, you know,

689
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:35,599
for the U for the uh you know, for the

690
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:39,559
sky view. And and of course this is uh it's

691
00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:42,639
roughly puts it about, you know, roughly about twenty degrees

692
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,920
from the from the horizon. So anything that's you know,

693
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,960
we probably wouldn't see the ship out there. But in

694
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:52,039
this case here, if there is an object that that

695
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,039
is at least uh, you know, fifteen degrees up in

696
00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:00,960
the sky. We'll be able to see these returns. And

697
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,360
again these are long to what we believe to be

698
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,440
long delay echoes. Okay, so so base, So basically the

699
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:10,800
radar scanning out there's an object in between us and

700
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,480
the and the ship and we're assuming it's it's taking

701
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:15,719
the return echo from the ship and just stretching it out,

702
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,800
so you get this elongated, uh, solid return along the

703
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,000
circumference of the ring. Right, And this is this is

704
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,440
this is a form of lensing and the astronomers have

705
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:28,920
been aware of it for you know, uh, for a

706
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:31,559
number of years. And uh, you know, obviously the bending

707
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:36,000
of light around large bodies out there, large masses causes

708
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:40,559
light to bend. It causes red and blue shifting, which

709
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:42,559
is all part of the puzzle here that which we're

710
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:46,559
you know, we're trying to analyze, and uh, the parts

711
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:49,360
seem to be fitting in place as far as our

712
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,800
our visual indications to our our visual uh observations where

713
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,599
you see the kaleidoscope appearance around some of these objects.

714
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,000
All right, So this is this is a scan of

715
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:05,960
a of the a large ship out on the horizon,

716
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,800
and you'll see it. You'll see the the water line

717
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,960
over the the ocean. Are you see in the full ground,

718
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,639
you'll see at the end of the beach and you'll

719
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:18,679
see the water. The water comes up as dark. Okay

720
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,199
in the in the night vision cameras. This is swire.

721
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,960
By the way, there's a short wave of infrared, so

722
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:29,159
we can see the the ship is is highlighted. It's

723
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:31,679
a larger vessel that's sitting on the water that long,

724
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,960
that white that large white target. Yes, that's that's a ship.

725
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,360
That's all reference. That's what we're using in this case.

726
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:44,119
And you'll see, uh, it's just that at an altitude

727
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,280
of roughly uh, these objects are period about you know,

728
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:55,119
between five and fifteen degrees. We'll see one oudict above

729
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,719
and toward the right side of the ship, right and

730
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,119
the other one is off uh to the left and

731
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:02,079
further out.

732
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,639
Speaker 1: And and there's no way these are these are conventional aircraft.

733
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: No, No, we were ye, we were tracking aircraft to

734
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:11,400
both the dual radars.

735
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: Uh.

736
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: Uh, just the small milli millimeter wave Doppler DR and

737
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,440
also we look at a d s B. Yeah, you know,

738
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:20,519
the all hype. We were also looking through the hygh

739
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:23,639
perspective cameras, so we could see navigation lights and and

740
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,119
and even the silhouette of an aircraft. And because we're

741
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:28,119
also using a thermal right. And then the key here

742
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,239
is that, you know, with the hyperspective cameras. Uh, this

743
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,320
is the only way we can see these objects, the

744
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,480
only way we can visualize them.

745
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:41,599
Speaker 2: Commercre you sorry, were you able to see the ship

746
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,320
to your naked eye? Oh?

747
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: Yes, ship was obvious. That ship was visible, but these

748
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,360
two objects weren't. We should only be seen in this

749
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:52,519
in the infrared. Yeah, the ship was well, let you know,

750
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,719
the objects themselves were not visible at all. And uh,

751
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,280
you know, we actually had to look at it in

752
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,599
the short wave infrared camera. And uh, the show wave

753
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:04,599
infrared is anywhere between twelve hundred and twenty five hundred

754
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:09,559
nanometers wavelength. All right, So this this is a reference,

755
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:11,840
This is this is the scanner, This is the antenna

756
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,679
a little bit of ten, the antenna dynamics, the uh,

757
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,199
the scanner itself, and the beam the beam with so uh,

758
00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:24,039
this is a perunal radar system. And the perunal radar

759
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:26,360
system you're gonna see. You see this round grid, the

760
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,519
circular grid, and to the right of it. You'll see

761
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:36,639
an image magnified image of one of the encounters that

762
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,360
we had, the anomalies that we had. And what I

763
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,880
did is I I I placed the the object. You'll

764
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,239
see the arrow pointing to the object. The object is

765
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:52,199
is actually the ship okay, okay, and the the the

766
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,400
If you just look at the wedge, the red wedge,

767
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,079
that's that's the that's the the angular beam, that's the

768
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:04,000
horizontal beam with in the radar. So the antenna itself

769
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:08,079
provides provides a beam width of about five point seven degrees,

770
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:11,760
and that varies a little bit, you know, between five

771
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,360
point two and five point seven degrees. I drew it

772
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,000
at its maximum maximum with it that maximum arc. So

773
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:22,159
this beam is rotating around this three hundred and sixty

774
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,400
degree grid at two point five seconds per rotation. So

775
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:30,639
you're getting, of course, you know, you're getting a very

776
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,159
fast scanned with only a five point seven degree window

777
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:38,719
for this for these returns to come back and line

778
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,199
up and be perfectly synchronized on the display, Well, this

779
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,239
is not happening. It's this beam is coming back, it's

780
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,760
rotating around, it's missing these returns, it's hitting some of

781
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,599
them late, sometimes multiple times as it's rotating, rotating around,

782
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,119
and we'll see that, we'll see that the in some

783
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,400
cases is you know, some of the some of the

784
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:02,679
the echoes are just missed altogether.

785
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: And and that's not a normal thing that that never

786
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,159
happens except when you're having these.

787
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 3: Anomalies, right yeah, And that's that's the that's the one

788
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,519
of the principal things that we're looking at right now,

789
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:19,159
is uh, you know, we're we're you know, we're looking

790
00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:22,920
at and we want to of course correlate a lot

791
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,559
more data on this as far as being out there

792
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:28,360
in all weather conditions and that sort of thing. And

793
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,199
but it's hard, I mean, you know, these objects are

794
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,159
are visible or or crescent.

795
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: You know.

796
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:39,039
Speaker 3: Uh, it's you know at times that you know, it's

797
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:41,800
not optimum you know, to to of course conduct the

798
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,199
study like this. Okay, but uh, you know, like I said,

799
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,119
over a two year period, we've gotten quite a bit

800
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:51,920
of data already understood, okay, okay, So and there's some

801
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:55,039
calculations in there as far as the the beam with

802
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,039
and the the the pulse with and the of course

803
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:05,960
the rotational scan uh the objects itself. And again you know,

804
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:08,400
we you know, we we talked about it. The paper

805
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:14,480
talks about potential gravitational lensing effects and what is what

806
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:18,280
is known about it, what we believe is happening. The

807
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,119
key effects of the gravitational lensing, you know, and I've

808
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:25,559
I've outlined that as well, and uh, you know, the

809
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,320
bending of of course of the of the radio wave paths,

810
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:31,920
which seems to you know, conform to the curvature of

811
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,360
space time as predicted by Einstein and Gens general relativity

812
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,719
uh theorems. And and again we suspect that uh U

813
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,800
A p might be doing the same thing that you know,

814
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,639
if if there if they're propulsion systems, if there's a

815
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,920
there is a gravitational shift, a gravitational set of polls

816
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,320
around these around these craft that is strong enough to

817
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,719
alter the radio waves to uh, to cause these anomalies

818
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,800
uh to occur. You know, we we see it in light.

819
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,440
We see we're seeing it in the light spectrum as well,

820
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,599
red shifting and blue shifting around these objects of course.

821
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: Uh.

822
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,039
Speaker 3: You know, some of the light measurements that we've gotten

823
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:20,840
that have come back late or early uh, sometimes bending

824
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,800
of the beam moving the beam across the path of

825
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,159
these objects, and it all seem to indicate that there

826
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,719
there's something else going on here, you know, and and

827
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,920
we we we we we believe it's this gravitational lensing effect.

828
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,880
You know, the gravitational lensing is also responsible for multiple

829
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,800
images or multiple returns.

830
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: And and and could this be responsible for seeing different

831
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:48,760
colors of.

832
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: Or yes, yes, yes, we believe in that that that

833
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:55,039
that has to do with the changing of the wavelength,

834
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:58,800
you know, the you know, gravitational field, and of course

835
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,119
the rotation and of rotation. You know, if it's if

836
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:05,800
the object is rotating in a way where it's rotating

837
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,880
towards the viewer, towards the observer, they seem to blue shift,

838
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:13,400
and if they're rotating away from the observer, they red shift,

839
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,880
indicating this this kaleidoscope pattern as they're rotating. Now we've

840
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,639
actually looked AT's looked at many of these with a

841
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:26,800
tracker software and we're looking frame by frame of these

842
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,079
uh of this video and if the video is scanning

843
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:33,760
at sixty frames per second, we're looking at sixty frames

844
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,840
of video and we can see we can actually see

845
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,719
this rotation and see this color shifting taking place. So,

846
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:43,400
you know, we believe that we believe they're all related.

847
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,639
And of course, you know, uh, you know this is

848
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,400
this is this includes everything that's in the electromagnetic spectrum.

849
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,920
It's not just light, it's radio waves, it's a thermal energy,

850
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,440
it's i R. And this might also account for the

851
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:01,559
possibility of the uh, the halos that are seen around

852
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:04,880
some of these objects that that that the Navy has filmed,

853
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:08,280
you know, the possibility that it may not be cold.

854
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,880
It may be it may be a form of gravitational lensing, uh,

855
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,760
you know, producing the absence of this of these temperatures

856
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,079
and and and giving it a cold appearance depending on whether,

857
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:21,880
of course you're you're black hot or white hot.

858
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, that makes that totally makes sense.

859
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,039
Speaker 3: And what's interesting was wee we uh we had uh

860
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,119
we had uh received a video from a police officer

861
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,559
that had had a friend a friend to this take

862
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:39,920
and this was an object that was hovering over one

863
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,119
of the highways and in the mid mid area of

864
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:45,360
Long Island. I was hovering at four o'clock in the morning.

865
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,719
Essential it was the essential Long Island that was it

866
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,079
was sitting there stationary, and he took a few second

867
00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:53,719
video of it, or you know, maybe less than a minute.

868
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:56,079
But it was a very interesting video as was a

869
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:58,559
police officer handed it to us. We've got all the particular,

870
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,440
all particular details on it. I even talked to you,

871
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:03,440
and we talked to a police officer. We talked to

872
00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:05,559
the friend of the police officer about what are we

873
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:10,239
seeing And the object shows the same kind of displays

874
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,960
as our or as so many objects, many of the

875
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,000
objects we were seeing off the shoreline. And we see

876
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:17,360
this blue and red ship, you know, this chromatic display

877
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,199
and like I said, the only thing, the only way

878
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:22,400
I can describe it is like a kaleidoscope. But it's

879
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:25,480
very specific there. You know, you can see two very

880
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:29,599
specific color shifts and the red and blue and every

881
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:32,360
one of those objects you've seen me red and blue. Okay,

882
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,320
so you know what you're looking at now? Is is

883
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:40,760
is a third interference pattern and this one's very unique.

884
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,599
This is this is during an event that we had

885
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,239
at between two and five thirty in the morning. We

886
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,440
were getting into returns on objects that we saw over

887
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:58,920
the horizon, over the ocean, and the objects were not

888
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:03,199
very far out, but there there was a there were

889
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,000
a few objects out there. They seem to be moving about,

890
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,559
but we believe that the patterns that are demonstrated here,

891
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,000
these wedge type patterns mm hmm. We believe that they

892
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:21,119
are there are multipaths, they're they're ghosting signals, there are

893
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:27,039
multiple reflections of an object, you know, causing this anomalous

894
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:30,320
propagation of the radio waves and giving this very distinct

895
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:35,320
web uh wedg shaped pattern. What's interesting about it is

896
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,320
that they all seem to line up. Uh. Now in

897
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,039
the center of the image. They have the center of

898
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:44,079
the pp I uh that's where the r V is,

899
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:47,360
that's all MOBI laboratory. That is the center dot right,

900
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,440
that's where the radio mantenna is and that's doing its rotation.

901
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,280
So these objects are lining up almost like almost like

902
00:52:55,320 --> 00:53:01,599
a form of uh possibly electromagnetic migration. Were attracted to

903
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:04,320
the radar pulses, right, you know, some kind of a

904
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,119
a lore attraction to the to the radar signal itself.

905
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,000
And of course we've you know, we went through the

906
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:18,320
realignment of the radar when this happens. We've we've adjusted

907
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:23,000
the the clutter the clutter sensitivity for for rain and

908
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:26,039
sea mode, and just to make sure that it wasn't

909
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,599
some kind of a sea action, a wave action, on

910
00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:35,199
the water that was causing it. And the interesting thing

911
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,079
about it is that even when we pitched the radar

912
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,000
and we're able to pitch that radar fifteen degrees to

913
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:45,039
get it away from the the the away from the sea,

914
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:47,239
and away from Earth. Right, we want to get up,

915
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,239
so we want to get skyward. You could see behind

916
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:57,239
the behind the the laboratory directly one hundred and eighty degrees,

917
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,000
almost hundred eighty degrees about in the six o'clock position

918
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:05,400
right is the same pattern. But that pattern is over

919
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,599
the bay, the island bed. Now, the bay doesn't have

920
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,159
the rough waters, it doesn't have the sea conditions that

921
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,280
the ocean would have. And and that's a that's a

922
00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:20,480
that's a very that's a strong indicator that it's it's

923
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:23,840
not related to the water, the ocean waves, the cresting

924
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,880
of the waves, that sort of thing. I want to

925
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,960
make one more point too, as sure as when you

926
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,039
see this wedge of objects lining up, it was lining

927
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:32,760
up at the front of the where the r V

928
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,280
was parked and we had the radar was sending out

929
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,960
its its transmissions. What we saw at the same time

930
00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:42,400
that we got this radar anomaly that they appeared is

931
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:48,199
we had between four We started with four orbs of light,

932
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,480
one sitting hovering over the water a few just a

933
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:54,880
few several maybe maybe fifty feet above the water, and

934
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,159
it was casting a light reflection on the water and

935
00:54:57,199 --> 00:54:59,719
it was it was changing its elevation. And that one

936
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,559
was and then we had on our on our central

937
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:04,679
monitor it's also seeing in the I R. We also

938
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,880
had uh two other orbs of light off to its site.

939
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,559
It was in that wedge shape too. They were coming

940
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:13,480
off from the objects center on the water. And then

941
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:16,519
these two objects above it what's the orbs, and then

942
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,280
then what appeared as a couple more orbs and in

943
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,840
another orb. So we have like a total of six

944
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,159
of these orbs that were sitting in front of us,

945
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:28,159
hovering over the ocean, and they aligned with this radar

946
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,880
an Belye. These were this wedge shape radar track wedd

947
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,280
shape pattern and you saw these solid targets the red

948
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,760
with the solid targets constantly shifting that position.

949
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:36,039
Speaker 2: Right.

950
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 3: Let me explain that too. So so what you look at,

951
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,519
you see a wedge shape pattern that's white. That white

952
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,199
is what they call echo trails. So what happens is

953
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,599
the radar remembers the last position of a solid return.

954
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:49,800
The return has to be red it has to be

955
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,559
a solid return. Before it's it'll start painting the screen.

956
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:55,800
So the persistence of the of that of that target

957
00:55:56,159 --> 00:55:59,440
remains there. And you can set that persistence between five

958
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:04,239
seconds and thirty and thirty seconds. So what we did

959
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,519
is we maximize that setting just to see what this

960
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:10,400
pattern looked like. And these objects were moving in that

961
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:14,000
in that uh, that wedge shaped pattern. And actually we

962
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:16,039
shared I think the last time we were on you show,

963
00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:18,280
we shared some of those videos. The object that I

964
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,679
think we showed, uh uh, the orb that was there

965
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,840
was casting reflection on the water and there were four

966
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,840
or five orbs fluff hovering above it. I'm pretty sure

967
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,840
we shared that video last time. Right, Yes, that's the

968
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,840
same that's the same video that corresponds to this radar anomaly. Right.

969
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,639
So so we've you know, well, of course we're calling

970
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,679
these out is as unidentified field echos or long and

971
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,360
long delay echo interference, a combination of the two.

972
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:53,039
Speaker 2: And and this this radar system, what is the smallest

973
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:54,599
object it can detect?

974
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 3: Uh, So that's that becomes a little more tricky because

975
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:03,639
and I'm the size of a cessna plane. Uh, it

976
00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:08,840
could detect the objects roughly, I would say, no more

977
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,880
than about maybe three to four miles away, simply because

978
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,760
of its small profile. These objects would have to be

979
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:23,119
relatively close with their with their their presentation, we believe

980
00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:26,239
them to be anywhere between two and four meters in diameter.

981
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:27,119
Speaker 1: These orbs.

982
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, these orbs exactly exactly, so that would just

983
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,599
be within the range of this radar driving right to

984
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,480
see it, right, And if you and if you look

985
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:39,400
at the range markers too on the left, the left top,

986
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:42,239
it's it's showing the maximum range of of a quarter

987
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:48,920
quarter nanim the nautical miles, and each ring is roughly

988
00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:51,280
just over a tenth you know, so you got you

989
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,079
got point one two five nautical miles for each ring.

990
00:57:54,719 --> 00:57:55,039
Speaker 1: I see.

991
00:57:55,239 --> 00:57:58,119
Speaker 3: So it's relatively close to the coast and interesting. Another

992
00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:01,880
interesting feature of this is is just to determine if

993
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:05,119
if there was some maybe bizarre atmospheric phenomena it was

994
00:58:05,159 --> 00:58:09,039
causing us. We actually moved the the mobile lab about

995
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:12,400
one thousand feet over to over to the right, these

996
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,800
these these west yes, to the west, and and and

997
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,880
these objects started filling in the screen again there's wedge

998
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,800
forms right in front of the right in front of

999
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,760
the r V that formed the same pattern. We did

1000
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,119
it again. We moved the the the mobile lab to

1001
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:29,639
the east about a thou over a thousand view or

1002
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:32,480
maybe twelve hundred feet, and again they were reforming and

1003
00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:36,199
and right in front of the the the mobile lamb

1004
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:39,559
again right right. So so they seemed to they seemed

1005
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:42,320
to track our location. And the same thing we can

1006
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,360
say visibly, the the the the object that was over

1007
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,480
the water, uh, that we could see with our eyes

1008
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,679
that seemed to change its position also, you know, so

1009
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,239
it's something was it was definitely within the line of sight.

1010
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:57,119
Speaker 2: So uh.

1011
00:58:57,559 --> 00:59:00,559
Speaker 3: Again you know, we're not sure whether this is something

1012
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:04,280
you know, that had to do with possibly electromagnetic migration,

1013
00:59:04,639 --> 00:59:07,559
or just that they're they were fascinated by what we

1014
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:11,599
were doing. Well at least showed some awareness awareness that

1015
00:59:11,639 --> 00:59:15,000
we were there. We were there because it appeared appeared

1016
00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:18,440
straight in front of us. So a big portion of

1017
00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:22,760
this paper, a lot of is uh is theoretical, involving

1018
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,480
the of course, the the operation of the radar, UH,

1019
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,480
some of the some of the uh, the spectrum data.

1020
00:59:30,599 --> 00:59:33,519
We also UH, what I do did want to outline

1021
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:37,880
is that the we uh we we did put together. Uh,

1022
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:42,039
let me just go back a little bit. I think here, okay, uh,

1023
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,320
the anomaly the anomalies themselves, and I wanted to emphasize

1024
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,559
that this gravitational lensing causes does cause a magnification of

1025
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:57,679
the signals, and uh, you know, I don't know if

1026
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:01,079
we can equate it to certain sightings of these translucent

1027
01:00:01,159 --> 01:00:03,960
objects that folks are seeing. And it seems that they,

1028
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:06,199
you know, some are describing it as a lens over

1029
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:09,679
the sky that you can see everything behind it. They

1030
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:15,119
seem to be magnified, and maybe you know, there's you know,

1031
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:17,800
maybe there's a possibility here that you know that this

1032
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:24,719
gravitational lensing is producing that effect. Okay, okay, so we

1033
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,159
we go through of course red shift and blue shift.

1034
01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:31,719
You know what it's occurring, and for how we're relating

1035
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:36,920
it to you know, large masses, massive objects concentrated gravitational force,

1036
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,360
possibly a wormhole or even a U a P producing

1037
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:40,960
a wormhole.

1038
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: I'm just completely blown away, but not surprised at at

1039
01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:50,039
the level of detail, the level of scientific analysis and

1040
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:52,519
engineering that has that has gone into this.

1041
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: It's really just off the charts.

1042
01:00:56,119 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 3: This is a lot of work. We used three main

1043
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:03,559
data points. It was there was a radar data, it

1044
01:01:03,679 --> 01:01:06,679
was the light, our data, and our multi spectral camera

1045
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,519
day right, right, and we're gonna show that. We're gonna

1046
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:11,639
show that next. But uh, you know, we're basically we're

1047
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:16,280
we're opening up, We're opening up the conversation here. You know,

1048
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,639
we want we want academia to weigh in on this.

1049
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,000
We've you know, we've talked to some folks, but we

1050
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:22,840
want them to weigh on the way in on this too.

1051
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,400
And and and uh, this is where we need to

1052
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:30,280
work with. We work with you know, uh, people in

1053
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,400
in the in the academic community, physicists, the astrophysicists, that

1054
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:37,519
sort of thing. We actually presented this paper to to

1055
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:44,360
Kevin Knuth. Yeah, he's he's a he's reading it right now, right, Yeah,

1056
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,920
So all right, so this is this is this is

1057
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:52,679
the Police Office of video that we used as a reference,

1058
01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:55,519
and we have ours in here too. But this is typical.

1059
01:01:56,199 --> 01:02:00,719
So the object is is magnified and this is the

1060
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,239
this is in the visible light. This isnt a visible

1061
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,519
portion of the spectrum. So this thing was was rotating

1062
01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:13,480
at a rapid pace. Uh, the police officer or I'm

1063
01:02:13,519 --> 01:02:15,159
not sure if there's a bus driver. Yeah, it was

1064
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:17,960
a police officer's close friend who was a bus driver. Okay, right,

1065
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:20,519
that's what Okay, it was at four o'clock in the morning. Right,

1066
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:22,960
So the police officer handed off this video to us

1067
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:27,039
and knows he knows this person very well, the bus driver. Yeah.

1068
01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:29,480
So the police officer vouch for this, vouch for yeah.

1069
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:31,400
So and I had a conversation. We had a conversation

1070
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:34,519
both with both parties. Yeah. So what you see You

1071
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:37,280
see an object that that that it was over a

1072
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,679
central Long island, over an area called Middle Country Road,

1073
01:02:41,719 --> 01:02:45,679
and this object was just out there rotating around, producing

1074
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:49,000
this incredible kaleidoscope, and that brought his attention to it.

1075
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:51,360
They took his camera, got out of the bus and

1076
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,440
started videotaping it. Uh and uh or video recording it

1077
01:02:56,519 --> 01:03:00,840
that taping kind of dating myself here. So you see

1078
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,679
the object. You'll see two distinct things here as far

1079
01:03:03,719 --> 01:03:07,840
as the chromatic display on the left side of the object.

1080
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,440
Let's you know, let's start with the first one. On

1081
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,920
the left side of the object, you'll see, uh see

1082
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:15,679
a reddish a reddish shoe to it. You'll see the

1083
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:20,079
white war It has a geometric shape. If you looked

1084
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:21,719
this whole object sort of sort of looks kind of

1085
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:26,000
like a polyhedral R polyhedrals three dimensional shape, right, but

1086
01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:30,239
unfortunately it's cell phone video. It's compressed and it's distorted

1087
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,239
quite a big. On the right side, you'll see uh

1088
01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:38,719
the uh you see a shift of blue. Now what's

1089
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:44,159
happening is the angles between the two top images the

1090
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,280
left to the right. You have one on the left

1091
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:51,000
that's rotating towards the observer. On the right you see

1092
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:54,360
the blue shift and it red shifts as it rotates

1093
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,239
away from the observer. On the right side. Top the

1094
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,840
right top there you'll see just the opposite. You'll see

1095
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:06,159
it's rotating to the to the left h the left

1096
01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:09,679
side rotating towards the observer and the right side away

1097
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,920
a blue shift, red shift. And you can see this

1098
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:16,840
throughout every one of these images. The thing that I

1099
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,000
want to point out is that there there is some

1100
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,320
very dark regions in this in this object itself, which

1101
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,599
is kind of interesting because in some of the images

1102
01:04:26,679 --> 01:04:31,880
that we have, they're very very just defined areas of

1103
01:04:32,119 --> 01:04:38,159
of of uh areas where there the light seems to

1104
01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:40,440
be a cut off.

1105
01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, these little black areas that I'm saying.

1106
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:48,519
Speaker 3: Exactly almost like poles. It almost looked like poles. Yeah,

1107
01:04:48,519 --> 01:04:52,280
it almost like a magnetic polese. Yeah. So there there

1108
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,960
are areas that are the light simply doesn't seem to cross.

1109
01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:59,639
And what we're wondering is whether this again, this might

1110
01:04:59,719 --> 01:05:04,800
be possibly the poles of a gravitational generator inside a

1111
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:10,199
gravitational field that's that envelops, envelops this object. And these

1112
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,119
areas that you see are dark are in fact the

1113
01:05:13,239 --> 01:05:18,039
absence of light. They're absorbing light. Well, they're not producing

1114
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:20,679
they're not allowing light to escape, right.

1115
01:05:20,639 --> 01:05:22,679
Speaker 2: What you would think, you know, see, you've got these

1116
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:25,360
other areas of this orb that are producing light.

1117
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:30,039
Speaker 1: It would be like looking at a ball a light

1118
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:31,920
and then seeing a hole in the middle of it.

1119
01:05:32,199 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 2: It's like it doesn't make any sense to you know,

1120
01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:39,039
to you know, to what you would normally experience in nature.

1121
01:05:39,719 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 3: Right right now. And something that's something else we observe too,

1122
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:46,840
is that these areas, these dark areas, depending on how

1123
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,320
much ambient light is out there, they seem to be

1124
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,719
darker than the available ambient light out there. They're they're

1125
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,840
they're extremely dark regions. And we've looked at these numbers.

1126
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:01,039
We've looked at the IRA units, which is intensity units,

1127
01:06:01,639 --> 01:06:06,079
and we see these amplitudes are deeper. Uh, they're deeper

1128
01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:09,559
than they are with the rest of the the sky,

1129
01:06:09,719 --> 01:06:11,320
the rest of the environment around.

1130
01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 2: It, which which again makes absolutely no sense in terms

1131
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:17,440
of like what what you would visually see that is

1132
01:06:17,559 --> 01:06:21,119
not like something you would you would normally observe in nature.

1133
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 3: Right right. And you know something else too that you know,

1134
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:27,800
we noticed in in quite a few of the frames

1135
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:33,079
on the on the left, the second image down there

1136
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:36,280
seems to be two orphics, the two orphices on the

1137
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:41,719
bottom of this unit or this this this object, which

1138
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:42,599
are very dark.

1139
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:43,559
Speaker 2: Uh.

1140
01:06:43,639 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 3: We see something on the top which is spaced apart

1141
01:06:46,519 --> 01:06:51,159
quite a bit, and the field around it almost looks

1142
01:06:51,199 --> 01:06:53,239
like it almost looks like a heart shaped pattern.

1143
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:55,719
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I see, I'll see what you're saying.

1144
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and and and you and you'll see what's

1145
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,480
from you know, with some of the images, I'm just

1146
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:06,280
gonna move down a little bit further here. So the

1147
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,639
next set of four images on the left, you see

1148
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:14,800
this a little bit more defined. The objects is rotating uh,

1149
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:19,360
diagonally top to bottom, blue shifting and then red shifting

1150
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,119
as it's moving away from the observer. And you see

1151
01:07:22,159 --> 01:07:25,280
these these again, these dark areas on the top of

1152
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,480
the object and on the bottom seems to be uh

1153
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:33,599
seems to be one area one open for a dark

1154
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:37,559
area that again, you know, whether it's the absence of

1155
01:07:37,679 --> 01:07:41,519
light or or something else that you know, is preventing

1156
01:07:41,639 --> 01:07:43,159
the light from crossing that path.

1157
01:07:43,719 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 2: Why are the images at the bottom green around the

1158
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:48,360
object the sort of.

1159
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that, that's the that's a different camera.

1160
01:07:52,719 --> 01:07:55,840
You know, the cameras themselves are uh, they'll still show

1161
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:00,880
you know, intimittent shades issues, you know, uh uh you

1162
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,880
know between uh you got you know, blue on one side,

1163
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,440
you got red on the other, and you'll you'll have

1164
01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:11,039
a you'll have a various different shoes in between. Yes,

1165
01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:13,000
it's turning. As it's turning, you might see that in

1166
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:17,680
that intermittence, that changing color, right right. But the two

1167
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,279
dominant the two dominant things that we see is red

1168
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:23,000
and blue. That seems to be dominant, you know. So

1169
01:08:23,159 --> 01:08:25,560
on the lower left you see red. On the bottom,

1170
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:28,119
you see that slight that blue on the on the

1171
01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:31,680
top on the right you see mostly blue. It's it's

1172
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,600
rotating down and away from the observer. And this is

1173
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:36,920
you know, this is this has been you know, typically

1174
01:08:37,079 --> 01:08:39,880
what we've been seeing with the with the analysis that

1175
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,840
we've done so far. And of course, you know, we

1176
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,640
talk about, you know, the the the importance of investigating

1177
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:49,560
signal behaviors, some of these hyper spectral signal signature behaviors

1178
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,000
as well. Path distortion. We talked a little bit about

1179
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:59,239
the key points with gravitational lensing path distortion, the slow

1180
01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:02,640
down of gravity been produced by a gravitational lens UH,

1181
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:07,319
sometimes speeding up or magnified, the appearance of a magnified

1182
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:14,359
image or magnified possibly magnifying the radio waves path distortion UH,

1183
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,920
time time delay UH. Of course we brought us brought

1184
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:22,000
this into a discussion again, bringing up these these various

1185
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:26,520
different UH terms and anomalies as well the UH, the

1186
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,720
the the the alteration of the pad the radio waves,

1187
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,640
the changes in the path. We call it path distortion

1188
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:39,960
or anomalist propagation. Multiple images and routes of the radio waves.

1189
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,840
We see them deflecting off. We we and we actually

1190
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,279
see the disturbances with other radars with the core you know,

1191
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:49,880
the correlating data. So we have a vertical scanning and

1192
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,720
a horizonal scanning radar, and we have beams that are

1193
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,680
being picked up by both independently from the original beam.

1194
01:09:57,079 --> 01:10:01,039
Speaker 1: And again because you have two radars, it's it's eliminating.

1195
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 3: Uh.

1196
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 2: It's really a multi sensor observation. You you are eliminating

1197
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,159
the possibility that one is is uh. I know, I know,

1198
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:16,520
debunker mcwest likes to kind of spread this this insane

1199
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,239
theory that that some of these Navy videos uh where

1200
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:22,880
they view a U A p R are simply due

1201
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:28,560
to multiple mill spec equipment sensor systems failing simultaneously. So

1202
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,439
so essentially what you're doing here is you are you

1203
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:36,439
are proving that it is not an anomaly in the equipment, right.

1204
01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:39,399
Speaker 3: Right, exactly right. It's a confirmatory method. It's like a

1205
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,439
referee method. We're doing right right doing To com make

1206
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:46,600
one comment about that, Mick West saying that the military

1207
01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:53,079
sensor systems are are prone to artifacts or failures, They're not.

1208
01:10:54,119 --> 01:10:56,880
Those are the top the highest level of electronics. It's

1209
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:01,239
called Class three electronics. That's does a cut function electronics,

1210
01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:03,239
whether it's it's using the medical field to use it

1211
01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:05,960
the military use in NASA. The last three electronics is

1212
01:11:06,039 --> 01:11:08,119
the top of the line. Loves electronics. They can't fit,

1213
01:11:08,399 --> 01:11:11,239
they can't fail in the field. And both of these

1214
01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:12,000
extremely rare.

1215
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 2: And both of you have worked with that equipment, correct,

1216
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,159
that level of mill spec equipment. This is part of

1217
01:11:18,199 --> 01:11:19,439
what you do in your normal job.

1218
01:11:20,359 --> 01:11:24,359
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, Gerald, more so than myself. Yeah, I've worked

1219
01:11:24,399 --> 01:11:27,199
in the military sector for probably about twenty years.

1220
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:31,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So you have experience with this equipment, and I

1221
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,159
would imagine part of the reason that it is military spec,

1222
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:40,159
military grade equipment is it can't fail because it's it's

1223
01:11:40,279 --> 01:11:41,960
protecting the lives of people.

1224
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,560
Speaker 3: Right, it's not prone to failure, and I can't it.

1225
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,039
Like I says, it has to meet a high standard

1226
01:11:49,279 --> 01:11:50,199
in order to be used.

1227
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so please continue.

1228
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,279
Speaker 3: Okay, So again I outlined I highlighted some of the

1229
01:11:57,359 --> 01:12:02,000
important the effects of course of the gravitational lens, multiple

1230
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,560
images and routes, signal enhancement, the magnification of the signal

1231
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:12,760
itself into into the dependence of the spectrum itself. It

1232
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,319
doesn't matter whether it's light, it's radio waves, it's it's

1233
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:22,920
it's a heat everything conforms to the electromagnetic spectrum. There

1234
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,880
they're they're obviously different wavelengths, but right up right up

1235
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:32,079
to ionizing radiation. You know, this gravitational lens would affect

1236
01:12:33,119 --> 01:12:36,680
anything in the electromagnet, all of those parameters exactly. And

1237
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,079
it's so it's not, you know, it's not you know,

1238
01:12:40,359 --> 01:12:44,840
frequency dependent or anything like that. It's although lower frequencies

1239
01:12:45,279 --> 01:12:48,439
for at least for radar, you know, have a it

1240
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,520
can have a habit of bouncing around in the atmosphere.

1241
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,800
But we're talking about very low frequencies relatively to modern

1242
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,520
day radar. We're talking about ten megaarts in below. The

1243
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:02,039
radars that we use are are up in the gig earts, okay,

1244
01:13:04,319 --> 01:13:07,279
And of course the importance of using multiple technologies, you know,

1245
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:11,479
in this case here we're using uh, three centimeter eight millimeter,

1246
01:13:12,039 --> 01:13:14,520
which is the millimeter wave radar, which is which is

1247
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:20,840
a very very fine pitch to it. It's uh, it's

1248
01:13:21,119 --> 01:13:26,319
it's a characteristic nature is to bounce back and give

1249
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,279
good returns when you're looking at sea conditions or you're

1250
01:13:30,279 --> 01:13:33,199
looking at weather conditions and that sort of thing. The

1251
01:13:33,319 --> 01:13:36,079
same can be said for the three three centimeter beam

1252
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,159
that we can adjust those clutter controls. We can actually

1253
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:42,680
see the moisture in the air more or less for

1254
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:43,720
a weather application.

1255
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: Wow, things are really sensitive.

1256
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:50,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean, uh, you know, the the

1257
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,600
vertical radar. You know, we we actually look look at

1258
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,760
the cloud ceilings and with enough sensitivity, you know, if

1259
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,199
they're if they're heavy enough, if they're if there's enough

1260
01:13:59,239 --> 01:14:00,960
moisture in there, we can see right to the top

1261
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,359
of the on the top of the ceiling. You know,

1262
01:14:02,399 --> 01:14:05,119
we could actually watch the super cell build exactly the

1263
01:14:05,319 --> 01:14:08,159
you know conclusion. Of course, you know the people that

1264
01:14:08,199 --> 01:14:10,119
we acknowledge it in the in the paper and of

1265
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:12,920
course the work cited. But you know, I would, uh,

1266
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,800
I would, you know, employee everybo, anybody that's interested in

1267
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,319
this stuff to read it. It's the paper should be

1268
01:14:19,359 --> 01:14:22,119
out the end of the month. It's also on our

1269
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:27,319
web our web page which is uh the the domain

1270
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:31,079
name is night crawl all all one word nightcrawler eye

1271
01:14:31,159 --> 01:14:34,159
on the sky dot org and they can read that.

1272
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:35,880
They can read this paper in its entirety.

1273
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: How long did this paper take?

1274
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: I mean, this level of scientific detail is like I said,

1275
01:14:42,079 --> 01:14:44,840
literally off the charts. How long did this effort take.

1276
01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:48,079
Speaker 3: It was, well, it's it's a culmination of of research

1277
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:52,279
that we've done over over over over two years. The

1278
01:14:52,359 --> 01:14:55,319
paper was you know, we wrote the paper and within

1279
01:14:55,399 --> 01:14:59,239
the last the last six months, you know, putting you know,

1280
01:15:00,199 --> 01:15:02,640
this data together, and you know, we've had you know,

1281
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:07,920
we've had input from from other folks that other specialties,

1282
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,239
other professionals in the in the of course in radar

1283
01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:13,479
and military and that sort of thing. So you know,

1284
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,640
and I hope a lot of this information comes out.

1285
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,520
I really hope it's you know, it's revealed that there's

1286
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:20,880
so many stuff that you know, at least, you know,

1287
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,760
maybe points a direction to what might be happening around

1288
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,680
these objects and and and and possibly the uh to

1289
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,800
prove this maybe a type of propulsion system that that's

1290
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:32,359
being used.

1291
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would make sense. And that's my hope as well.

1292
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,399
Other scientists, serious academics are going to look at what

1293
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,439
you guys have have have produced and the data that

1294
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,920
you have. H this isn't just the stuff you're making up.

1295
01:15:47,359 --> 01:15:51,479
And hopefully this will inspire other scientists and engineers such

1296
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:56,760
as yourself to to also investigate this and further further

1297
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,960
back it up and by the way, if you got

1298
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,720
guy are looking to like earn a few extra bucks.

1299
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:07,960
I understand that doctor Sean Kirkpatrick is looking for tutors

1300
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:13,399
on how to produce a historical report. I think he

1301
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,479
got I think he got his lessons from from some

1302
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,000
the fifth grade writing tutor.

1303
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: But hey, you know, I think you guys could could

1304
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,760
definitely help help the guy out. So so another thing,

1305
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:28,319
all right, okay, now, now when.

1306
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:31,560
Speaker 2: I had you guys on the first time, your your

1307
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,880
your research vehicle, the night Crawler, that was in its

1308
01:16:35,159 --> 01:16:39,199
its phase one condition, correct, yes, okay, And then what

1309
01:16:39,359 --> 01:16:43,760
we're viewing now with this report, these are all phase

1310
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:44,560
two sensors.

1311
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:45,119
Speaker 1: Correct.

1312
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 3: Yes, this is actually down to a third up to

1313
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:51,760
a third generation's censor system.

1314
01:16:52,119 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: Okay, And that's that is what what's next?

1315
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 2: So you have a research proposal for a phase three initiative,

1316
01:16:58,279 --> 01:17:01,399
UH called proposal for a U A p U s

1317
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,319
O Maritime Research Endeavor.

1318
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,399
Speaker 1: What exactly is this endeavor? Walk us through that?

1319
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,039
Speaker 3: So you know, so what we want to do is

1320
01:17:10,119 --> 01:17:12,039
we want to take the show out on the road

1321
01:17:13,239 --> 01:17:16,000
to so to speak. You know, it's out on the ocean. Basically,

1322
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,720
we want to we want to you know, expand this

1323
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:21,880
to to U s OS as well.

1324
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 2: Uh.

1325
01:17:23,119 --> 01:17:25,680
Speaker 3: You know, we want to we have you know, we

1326
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,399
have some data on U A P. We want to

1327
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,439
see if if the phenomena U s OS can be

1328
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:37,760
uh you know, examined with the sonar type equipment underwater.

1329
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,760
And this research venture calls for some kind of a

1330
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,439
platform or or a boat of some sort ship that

1331
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,920
would get our equipment out there. And what we want

1332
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,199
to do is instrument this this uh you know, this

1333
01:17:52,359 --> 01:17:57,520
boat with the latest the latest sonar equipment, you know,

1334
01:17:58,039 --> 01:18:03,159
remote operated vehicles to look under the water. We want

1335
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:06,239
to use side scan sonar. We want to use omnivision

1336
01:18:06,359 --> 01:18:10,840
or omni omni OMNIVUEW sonar systems which looks at three

1337
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,720
hundred and sixty degrees under the water on a depth

1338
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,720
of three thousand feet, and we want to take it

1339
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:22,279
out towards the deep water trench as well as of

1340
01:18:22,359 --> 01:18:25,800
course the Intercoastal Waterway. On the east coast of the US,

1341
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,399
there seems to be a lot of activity on the shorelines,

1342
01:18:30,399 --> 01:18:35,399
especially if you listen to Richard Dolan and what he is,

1343
01:18:36,039 --> 01:18:38,920
what he's written about, and the fact that he believes

1344
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,960
that a lot of these objects are more prevalent on

1345
01:18:42,079 --> 01:18:46,439
the on the coastlines and may even be over the water.

1346
01:18:47,119 --> 01:18:49,319
That of course we don't have, you know, we don't

1347
01:18:49,359 --> 01:18:53,600
have lots of observation over the water. But you know,

1348
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,279
you know, judging by what the navy pilots have been seeing,

1349
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,600
you know, we want to see whether or not you know,

1350
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,720
there's uh, there's much more to be explored out there,

1351
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,800
and there's definitely an affinity for the water because we're

1352
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,800
seeing these things along the coast and we're seeing them

1353
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:11,319
sitting covering up over the ocean, right and they actually

1354
01:19:11,359 --> 01:19:13,479
coming down over the ocean. So if you could retrofit

1355
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:18,199
a boat, probably a motor, a small motor yacht, and

1356
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,319
we could completely retrofit that with the equipment, that would

1357
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,479
do the trick. And we're talking to a small yacht.

1358
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,159
We're talking about something like thirty five feet thirty five

1359
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:33,960
klat no, no, nothing like thirty five footy foot vessel. Yeah,

1360
01:19:34,079 --> 01:19:36,359
that would that would suit our purpose right right. So

1361
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,000
and then and again it's the it's the you know,

1362
01:19:39,079 --> 01:19:41,680
we want to you know, we want to instrument this

1363
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,399
this this vessel with the with the latest radar equipment,

1364
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:49,840
the latest sonar equipment, communications equipment, and uh we you know,

1365
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:54,439
we're we want to use the AI AI applications with

1366
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:59,840
this and spent some time out there and see exactly

1367
01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:04,720
what's what what the behavior is like how much it's Yeah, I.

1368
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,079
Speaker 2: Know, I was just going to say, I mean this,

1369
01:20:07,279 --> 01:20:09,840
this sounds like a costly endeavor, but it also sounds

1370
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,279
like this has huge payoff. You know, when you were

1371
01:20:13,359 --> 01:20:15,840
describing it, I was I was thinking about the original

1372
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,880
radar images that you were showing that and and sorry,

1373
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,600
the the one I think it was a short wave

1374
01:20:23,119 --> 01:20:25,840
infra red image where you had a ship in the

1375
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,720
distance and then between where you were standing in the

1376
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,680
ship were these orbs. So if if you had a

1377
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:36,640
a ship with these sensors and you observe that that

1378
01:20:37,039 --> 01:20:40,439
uh you know these U A P you could drive

1379
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,079
right right towards right towards those U A P.

1380
01:20:43,279 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 3: Right exactly exactly. And it's uh, you know, it's still

1381
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,880
it's still a coastal you know, if it's coastal phenomena

1382
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,239
with it, you know this, we can explore the coast.

1383
01:20:51,319 --> 01:20:53,960
We can you know, move this thing down to you know,

1384
01:20:54,079 --> 01:20:55,960
fall down as Florida and uh, you know, up to

1385
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,239
New Hampshire and so forth, and it's uh, you know,

1386
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,079
wherever the activities seems to be, that's what we want

1387
01:21:01,119 --> 01:21:04,600
to explore, you know, I mean, like this whole Jersey

1388
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,960
thing that's going on New Jersey. You know, we'd like

1389
01:21:07,039 --> 01:21:08,479
to get our we'd like to get our r V

1390
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,319
outdate the laboratory, mobile lab and and use some of

1391
01:21:11,399 --> 01:21:13,199
our senses to see, you know, whether or not it

1392
01:21:13,239 --> 01:21:15,720
can be identified. We're actually we're actually planning that we're

1393
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,239
thinking about doing that during the Christmas week. Great, it's

1394
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:21,920
probably getting out there for overnight and see what they're

1395
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:23,840
seeing out there. Right, So you know, we want to

1396
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:25,800
of course, want to reach out to the authorities and

1397
01:21:26,119 --> 01:21:32,039
get certain authorizations to do that. You know, uh, you know,

1398
01:21:32,119 --> 01:21:33,960
there's a lot of equipment, there's a lot of cameras

1399
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,600
and of course you know it's uh, you know, uh,

1400
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,520
you know, we got issues with you know, bridges and

1401
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,079
that sort of thing. So you know, we want to

1402
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:41,840
we want to make sure that that's not going to

1403
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,920
be an issue bringing a fully equipped laboratory out to

1404
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:46,479
New Jersey.

1405
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,359
Speaker 2: Now for this, for this phase three initiative, are you

1406
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,359
looking for investors to make this happen?

1407
01:21:52,319 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 3: Sure? Yeah. Yeah, so we actually made three proposals the

1408
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,159
different courts. The role of course costs proposals. Yeah, so

1409
01:21:58,279 --> 01:22:01,800
it's i mean something that starts out around one hundred

1410
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:06,039
and seventy five thousand. We're talking about you know, a

1411
01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:08,880
mid level, which is which would be more like uh,

1412
01:22:09,239 --> 01:22:13,119
you know, two hundred and seventy five, you know, five

1413
01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:15,560
hundred and up to a million and up to a

1414
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:19,239
million on this. But it's uh, you know, we're talking

1415
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about you know, doing this at the fraction of a

1416
01:22:22,399 --> 01:22:25,199
cost of a lot of other endeavors. You know, it's

1417
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:30,199
but it's again it's the concentration for us is getting

1418
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:34,840
the right equipment and you know that's not negotiable. You know,

1419
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:36,279
we want to get the you know, want to get

1420
01:22:36,319 --> 01:22:38,039
you know, with whatever the expense is. We want to

1421
01:22:38,039 --> 01:22:40,760
get the right equipment on board. And we've already been eyeballing.

1422
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,119
And that's what's in numbermosal Right, that's why it costs

1423
01:22:43,159 --> 01:22:45,720
more cost effective. As engineers, we know what was shopping for,

1424
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,439
and we know what we're looking exactly what we're looking

1425
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,039
for to the parameters will looking for right, and we're

1426
01:22:51,079 --> 01:22:55,239
looking for other other you know folks involved. You know,

1427
01:22:55,319 --> 01:22:58,159
we're looking for, you know, the support of academia where

1428
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,600
you know, we don't want to do this thing, you know,

1429
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:06,960
we want to incorporate you know, other expertise, other specialties,

1430
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:11,199
you know, especially especially academia. You know, it's we've got

1431
01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:12,920
to get you know, got to get them involved. You know,

1432
01:23:13,159 --> 01:23:15,319
if you have a maritime laboratory, which is with the

1433
01:23:15,399 --> 01:23:18,079
Exodust X phase, if we could explore out to one

1434
01:23:18,119 --> 01:23:20,640
hundred miles out in the ocean, fifty one hundred miles,

1435
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,960
I mean, I think it would be pretty dramatic. Yeah,

1436
01:23:24,039 --> 01:23:26,800
I do believe. I mean, you know, we have we're

1437
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,279
confident that we can, we can come up with some

1438
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,720
very very positive data on this stuff and maybe, you know,

1439
01:23:34,119 --> 01:23:36,800
maybe move this thing, hopefully help move this thing towards

1440
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:37,600
this disclosure.

1441
01:23:38,319 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1442
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 2: I think we're all we're all definitely fighting for that.

1443
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,840
On the other hand, speaking of someone that is not

1444
01:23:44,039 --> 01:23:48,119
fighting for disclosure but trying to block it, and and

1445
01:23:48,319 --> 01:23:49,600
Gaslight absolutely