Speaker 1: What is going on in our skies?
Speaker 2: This is over my house right now? What is that
our military pilots are seeing them?
Speaker 1: There's a whole queen.
Speaker 3: Have a look on thefa Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: They are flying above critical infrastructure and military bases in
New Jersey, New York, and worldwide.
Speaker 3: As the sightings mystery drones grows to more states beyond
just New Jersey and New York, the federal government is
under increasing pressure to do something about.
Speaker 2: How could anyone speculate or issue assurances to thousands millions
of Americans who have witnesses thousands who have witnessed the
drones that there is no threat.
Speaker 1: The Biden administration is scrambling to cover it up. We
are still investigating this, you.
Speaker 4: Know, telling people that they were nuts or that they
didn't know what they were seeing with their own eyes.
Speaker 2: It's possible that they could be owned by private citizens.
Speaker 4: Why don't we know, John, That's the point. Why don't
Why doesn't the United States government know?
Speaker 1: This?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 1: It seems silly.
Speaker 4: I mean, it feels a lot like the Chinese spy balloons.
Speaker 1: Is shocking.
Speaker 4: I got to tell you, this is shocking, Okay, And
I'm not the only person who feels this way. This
was happening at Langley a month ago. Okay, these people
are not crazy. They're seeing these things with their own eyes.
This is not normal behavior. They are not plans that
are coming in one direction.
Speaker 2: You cannot trust the government to tell you the truth
about what is happening above America's skies. So what do
we do? Take matters into our own hands. Welcome to
the Good Trouble Show. I'm Matt Ford. UAPs otherwise known
as UFOs, are in the news as drones are flying
all over the world with impunity, and the Biden administration
is working over time to cover it up.
Speaker 1: So here's the question to our mutual friend, mister Ford.
First of all, welcome Matt. I hope we have more
conversations going forward. Appreciate what you're trying to do. Thank you, Chris.
Either they don't know or they don't want us to know.
Which do you think it is?
Speaker 3: And why? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Chris, thanks thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, really the takeaway here, You know,
when you when you hear the testimony from Officer Grooms,
it demonstrates that the Biden Harris administration is absolutely gas
lighting Americans. I mean, you know, just look at the
clip that you played of Pete but a judge, you know,
making fun of it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: So, you know, despite mounting concerns from local authorities in
New Jersey and elsewhere, the White House is just not
being honest with the American people. They want, you know,
they want the Americans to think that this is something new.
Speaker 1: I think it was n a C.
Speaker 2: National Security Council spokes Admiral John Kirby said, you know, oh,
you know, we want the same answers as you do.
But with Chris's story and others, it lays there that
this is a nation wide dating back to at least
twenty nineteen. What occurred in Colorado and Nebraska just last year,
you know, December of last year, in twenty twenty three,
Langley Air Force Space was virtually shut down by massive
swarms of drones. They had to relocate, relocate an entire
wing of F twenty two fighters. Just this Thanksgiving of
this year, you know, prior to what happened in New Jersey,
these things began showing up over our Joint Air Force
baces in the UK. They are showing up at NATO
bases in Europe and Germany Andrew's Air Force Space recently
had to shut down their airspace. They are in Nebraska,
New York. You know, the drones over Nebraska in twenty nineteen.
What you know what Officer Grooms is referring to. You know,
these these are virtually identical in description and behavior to
what is being reported now.
Speaker 1: You know so so, Chris.
Speaker 2: It leads to the question, why the disparity in decision
making for shootdowns between you know what you had the
Chinese balloons and the drones.
Speaker 1: You know, both caused public alarm and concern.
Speaker 2: Why is the Biden administration now not reacting to these
these drones? You know, you have a New Jersey mayor
who said they hovered over his home with the same
seriousness as they did with the Chinese balloons. You know
why the difference, And it's just it's negligent. In my opinion,
the Biden administration is not doing anything about these drones
or Jones as I mistakenly called them on Chris Cuomo's
show on News Nation for that matter.
Speaker 1: The reason is simple.
Speaker 2: We cannot trust the government to tell us what is
happening in our skies. So today we have two guests
that are taking matters into their own hands. They are
scientific trailblazers and UAP research with a recently published paper
in Scientific Research Publishing. Returning to our show for a
second time with new UAP developments, Please welcome researchers Gerald Tedesco,
John Tedesco and unfortunately Donald leite Nardo was not able
to join us today. Guys, thanks for joining us. Welcome
back to the show. I'm glad I didn't scare you
guys off.
Speaker 3: We survived the last time. Actually was fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it definitely was.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Of course, the biggest news this fall was the.
Speaker 2: Congressional UAP hearing, and I'm curious what each of you
thought of it.
Speaker 1: What were your takeaways of the hearing?
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting. Uh, I'd like to I'd
like to have seen more people testifying, but it was
the people testified were solid and with Admiral Tim Gallaudett
and dull Asando and and UH and Michael Schollenberger and
UH and an Asser expert. Yes, yeah, I mean it's
uh there I in a testimony and like Cheryld said,
it was, you know, it's it's it's solid testimony. I
do wish they were you know, more information could have
been shared. Uh you know, I guess that sort of
lay to date as far as you know, getting it
into some kind of a skiff.
Speaker 2: Were there any bombshells for you as far as the
hearing goes, did it did it deliver or was it
a letdown? What were your expectations going into it.
Speaker 3: I think it might have been maybe a little bit
a lackluster, But I mean I can certainly understand why,
you know, I mean, certain pieces of information would be
very uh you know, it's in the name of you know,
security and that sort of thing. It's I mean, I
can certainly understand why it would be uh, you know,
why it would be protected.
Speaker 2: Now, the other big news is that just yesterday, your
paper unraveling mystique long delay echoes anomalist propagation of radar
signals under the influence of UAP was officially accepted in
the Open Journal of Applied Science. So, uh yeah, So congratulations, guys,
I mean this, I thank you. Sure we'll dig into
this in detail, but seems like a pretty big deal, right.
Speaker 3: I think so, I think I think the science community
is going to be interested to hear exactly, you know,
what our findings were over over over a two year period,
and some of the strange UH radar anomalies that we've
that we've gotten as well as uh some of the
hyperspectral data, the light our measurements as well as UH
uh light and some of the distortions, some of the
chromatic distortions that we've recorded. I think it's going to
be an eye opener.
Speaker 2: And and there have been so clearly since you guys
were on and I think it's been about six months,
so you have you know, you've you have come across
a significant amount of new results, right that are that
are pretty compelling.
Speaker 3: Yes, And what we've done is we've kind of focused
on the instrumental data, you know, quite a bit. Uh.
You know, We've set up a scenario where we've used
ships as reference out at a distance roughly between ten
and twenty miles, and we've looked at the echoes the
return pulses from several different radar systems. We've studied this
over a period of time, and you know, we have
some some speculation, some conclusions on it as far as
what we believe is happening. And this is obviously something
that's going to have to be explored further and investigated further.
But I think it's going to be you know, for
some people, it's going to be quite compelling. Yeah, we
wanted to propose a hypothesis for what we was seeing
and dig a little deeper into the data we were
getting that that was anomalous.
Speaker 1: Got it now?
Speaker 2: And before we move on, I have to ask, are
you guys in your basement or where are you? No?
Speaker 3: This is We're actually sitting inside the mobile laboratory Nikrola
and a little congested. You see instrumentation all around us here.
You know, it's there's not a lot of room to
move with, you know, with the kind of instrumentation. The
instruments are pushing us out.
Speaker 2: And I have to ask, does it get like hotter
than hell in there with all of that gear?
Speaker 3: It's it's you know, it's got climate control. We got
air conditioning and sofia, so it it keeps it relatively
call yeah. Yeah, And for the instrumentation, we have to
maintain a certain certain humidity levels level understand. Don't want
anomalous readings on our measurements as well, keep you know,
higher than thirty.
Speaker 2: Completely understand. Yeah, Before I think it was about a
year ago. I was running this whole show without an
air conditioning, like an individual air conditioning unit in in
my home studio, and boy it was it was getting
getting pretty sweaty. So since both of you guys are
the authors of this paper, why don't you, why don't
you walk us through it?
Speaker 1: It's it's around what I think, thirty pages long.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's it's a thirty page document. It's go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, no, no, please, yeah, So why don't you
go ahead and bring bring the document up on your
screen and and just kind of walk walk all of
us through at home exactly you know what what you're
talking about. Uh, And of course most of us are
are not as scientific individuals, so you might have to
kind of dumb it.
Speaker 1: Down a little bit. But yeah, just walk walk us
through with with your findings, all right.
Speaker 3: So the uh, the paper like, so it's it's thirty
pages long, as it basically involves roughly about two years
worth of our research out on rob Moses State Park,
a little bit out at uh out at Montalk as
well at Camp Hero. Now early on when we first
started the study, you know, we're using an instrumented platform
with three different radar systems. There there are two marine
based three centimeters beams in wavelength. Then we have a
millimeter wave which is a portable system that we use
down by the shoreline. And what we've been observing over
this period of time is some some interesting anomalies that
uh affect the return echoes on these radars. So the radar,
what it does is it puts out a signal, a
pulse chain and uh you have a scanner that rotates
around three hundred and sixty degrees. And what's happening is
these what we believe is happening is that these signals
are coming back late or refracted quite a bit. And
we define this UH this refractions as unexpected field echoes
or uh late or long delay echoes. And the long
delay echoes are anything that surpasses the rotational speed of
the of the scanner and the the the duty cycle
in between the signal that would allow it to you know,
pick up these uh these returns. What's happening is that
some of these signals are coming back quite late. You know,
radio waves travel at a certain speed. We expect it
to come back at a certain point in time, but
that's not happening. And what we do is we observe
the certain signals in there to look at this stuff. Now,
this goes back this the theory behind this, and some
of these anomalies have actually been recorded since the nineteen twenties.
This is something that has exists, you know, for radio
engineers for quite a while, and it hasn't really been
satisfactorily explained. You know. There's some theories that it bounces
along the atmosphere. Sometimes it can make its way completely
around the planet and come back. But the only the
issues with that is that these radio waves would would
be suppressed, it would be attenuated quite a bit at
the energy levels. This is not happening in this case,
especially signals that are coming back so late that they're
there in seconds other than in microseconds or nanoseconds, so
they're they're very very long delays to them. And what
we found is that, uh, these objects themselves that are
within our line of sight. We train our radars out
on ships out on the horizon that roughly about anywhere
between ten and twenty miles away, and uh, whenever we
have these anomalies on the radar, we it's always in
the vicinity of a of a an anomalous object that
seems to be in the line of sight with the
with the radar scanner, our you know, our viewpoint and
the ship itself that's out at sea, and what comes
back is something interesting. It's a you know, we've we've
discussed it with uh some of the radar manufacturers and uh,
you know, it doesn't align with the typical interference patterns
that you that you get on a radar that would
be induced by the environment or other reflective objects. This
is quite quite different. And what we believe is happening
is that there is some kind of a gravitational possibly
a gravitational lensing going on around these objects that is
interfering with the returns in the field of view and
doing so in such a way that it causes these
returns to come back late. I know there's been some
there's been some studies about GPS signals as well, uh
doing the same thing that they they they're they're actually
delayed and they cause they cause a staggering of the
ADSB signals that that are being monitored by you know,
sometimes the towers and and and anybody else that has
uh ADSB capability, which is uh, you know, looking at
that you know, those those uh tracking signals between the planes,
the towers and of course the the receivers. So this
is something that you know, we've like I said, we've
we've encountered for over two years now and there seems
to be some statistical significance to them. So the number
of times that we're seeing this uh in the company
of these, these these objects, these anomalies that were seeing
and these.
Speaker 2: And these and starting interapt but describe the describe exactly
what you're seeing as far as anomalous objects. When when
when you're getting this kind of weird radar behavior.
Speaker 3: Right, So, so in the document itself, you know, we
show a map of Long Island basically where we're seeing them.
There's there's there's two different locations primary locations. One is
on the south shore on the on a barrier island
called Robin Moses State Park. The other one is at
Cedar Beach on the north shore, which overlooks the sound,
the Long Island sounds. In both cases, we're seeing these
anomalies periodically and whenever these anomalies are in the like
I said, in the field of view of the radar pulse,
the radar transmission, we have these uh, these returns, these
distorted returns, which is producing with the you know, it's
class why it's an interference pattern.
Speaker 1: Are you seeing? Are you seeing orbs? Are you seeing
solid craft? You know what exactly do you see?
Speaker 3: They're most of the time what we're seeing is we're
seeing these orb like objects or or as we described them,
when the illuminosity drops, these they have these polyhedral type
shape a structure under them, right. So this is this
is an example of one. There's a there's a fishing shape,
a fishing boat out on the on the the ocean
on the horizon. The fishing boat is out there roughly
about sixteen hundred meters, and there is an object that
is between the fishing boat and our our lineup site
with the radar. The object itself is not as far
out as the fishing boat, but it's within it's within
the line of site between the fishing boat and the
the the raido mantena.
Speaker 2: Okay okay, So so it's it's between your eye point
and and the boat itself.
Speaker 1: So it's somewhere in.
Speaker 3: Between exactly exactly. And the paper explores, uh, you know,
uh barely technically what's going on with the radars themselves.
This is an example of a millimeter wave radars, a
portable radar system. This is in the eight millimeter band.
So they're they're very very very very short wavelength beams
and uh, they're you know, they we we utilize the
Doppler effect, which is objects that move. If they move
closer to us, of course it's a compression of higher frequency.
If they move away, they actually, uh the frequency decreases
quite a bit and we can tell the speed. We
can tell with certain characteristics, we can tell the distance
of the object from where we are. And I mull
go through all the detail here as far as how
we're how we're measuring it. But uh, you know, this
is basically looking at the day on a piece of
instrument called a digital storage of siloscope. So we're providing
these timing signals to the radar and we're looking at
these signals in return there. Okay, now let me just
show you some of the anomalies that we're getting. So
this is what we see on we have a vertical
scanning radar and that's in the geometry is such that
the beam rotates one hundred and eighty degrees above us.
Ok And it's looking at one hundred about one hundred
and sixty five degrees the sky. And again, you know,
this radar is a different system than we're using with
the horizontal scan. There are two independent radars, two independent antennas,
and they're not synchronized together at all, and we're seeing
the same form of interference on both radars when these
objects are present. Now, if you look at this the
screen itself, the displays this is what they call it
a PPI and it's a plant position indicator. You see
a pattern here. These are multiple returns of an object
that's out almost twelve miles. And you'll see that these
these these patterns, they seem to they seem to bounce
across the screen as the as the radome is rotating
around the third the third display, the third image to
the right, the last one on the right on the
upper the upper the upper image on If you look
at the ten o'clock position, you'll see rings there and
each ring represents one mile. Okay, Now between the between
the third the third ring, which is which is three miles,
you'll see that you'll see that there's an object sitting
at abound about three point four miles from from the center.
The center is where we're at. What's happening is we
believe that whatever the the whatever this forces around this object,
a gravitational lens of some kind of gravitational force is
causing these beams to come back late. And what happens
is as the radar is scanning, they put put the
beam at a different location on the scope. Not only
that you have multiple echoes, you have an object that
seems to be you know, seems to be almost like
if you put something under a lens, it's magnified at times.
So these objects they seem to be coming back a
little bit sooner. And that's that's what you see on
the display.
Speaker 2: So looking at the top right panel number three, the
top right image there that dot at the ten o'clock position,
that is a UAP.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what we believe is an unknown that's an
anomalous formation out there, anominally subject. We've seen, you know,
quite a few of them. They seem to have the
same basic signatures that we've been seeing over a period
of time. And again when these when these objects are
in this case here, we got lucky we actually had
it on the radar an intimate return, but they're not.
That's not always the case. These objects have a tendency
not to show up on radar. And again we believe
that that that might be some form of gravitational lensing,
and that that might be affecting radars in general, any
radar's out there. Is that you have these intimate returns
or null return at all, simply because the radio waves
are not coming back in a predictable manner.
Speaker 2: Now with with that particular image there, the one on
the top right, the dot at the ten o'clock position.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, did you guys make visual contact of something
at why you were taking that image?
Speaker 3: Yes, every one of these objects. What we're what we're
doing is we're looking at when these anomalies occur, we're
looking at the sky in detail, you know, with our
hyperspectral cameras. So if it's something we don't see visually,
we might see on the IRU, the near IR, the
or the the uh this this the short wave the
deeper I are. Okay, sometimes they show up visually and
we can see them, but as again, as long as
there they seem to be in a line of sight
with the between the radar scanner the antenna itself. And
the target. That's when we have these anomalies occur. And
you know, like out of I would say, out of
thirty different measurements that we've had, we've had roughly about
eighteen that have come back with this anomaly and which
is you know, uh, statistically significant.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So walk us through some of the other
images there if you don't mind, actually go back to
the radar. I'd love to see a little bit more
if you could explain maybe a couple more of the
panels that you have there as examples.
Speaker 3: Sure, So, so this is this, these are these are
six different cases that we've analyzed. The first you'll see
you'll see this pattern, this y pattern. Okay, that's uh,
that's shown multiple reflections and multiple echoes based on time
and distance. Which is which is interesting.
Speaker 1: And which which one? Which image here? Out of what
you see.
Speaker 3: First, it's the it's the first image on the top
top left the left here on the left. Yeah, so
you have on the on the on the left foot
of these these screen here you'll see it says eight
nautical miles right, each ring represents it two miles two
miles a distance. Okay, So you know from these center
outs you have two four to six eight eight miles
altogether these rings. So you know, we don't have a
defined location, we don't have it defined distance simply because
we're getting this this interference that is producing these anomalies
on the radar, on the on the PPI.
Speaker 2: So so basically, so what I'm seeing here, So this
is the dotted line at say like four o'clock and
uh like eight thirty.
Speaker 1: Those those are the anomalies.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you got you got one that's a little
after twelve. You have the other one at like say
a thirty or four o'clock. Yeah, so those are the anomalies. Uh.
In the bottom we have you know, uh different different
uh sporadic patterns and and uh the patterns themselves are
closely grouped. And here we have, you know, on the
lower left, we have a scatter pattern which produces it's
a single scatter, but it's in the wrong location. The
object that we saw was actually uh north of the
of the antenor. And this this is occurring, this reflection
is is occurring more towards the west southwest. Got it, yep,
and the same the same image just to the just
to the to the right. The second the middle image
on the bottom said showing the same or very similar anomaly.
This is more concentrated, but multiple reflections again. And then
you have the last on the last image on the
lower rate, which is showing these multiple anomalies, but again
the scattered patterns or or all over the all over
the pp I there they should be one, there should
be one object. Obviously, you know, there's there's quite a
bit of interference going on here and it's uh, you know,
these are we believe it believe it is due to
late reflections. And this is something we've analyzed with the
We look at the i Q signals coming back off
the you know, off the IF part of they call
an intermediate frequency part of the radar, and this gives
us some indication of what's going on. Those i Q
signals are responsible for giving us a position, a vector, position, location,
and of course distance. This is one of the objects
that we saw. Uh, this is a blue orbit or
of light. There is a ship that is out on
the on the water to a smaller ship and what
you see here is the orb that is just over
the horizon over the water and this has actually moved
roughly to the left about about thirty six degrees from
where we originally tracked it, with the ship at about
roughly about forty degrees. The interference we don't. We no
longer have those interference patterns. And this is what we're
looking at here. The ship itsel up, sorry I said
a smaller ship. The ship itself is a large ship.
It's off to the right. And this object, this is
this is at a point in time when those interference patterns,
those echoes were no longer in issue, all right, And
this is this is a different and independent, totally independent
radar system. This is the horizontal scan. So this is
working like a typical marine based radar. You have a
scanner that's rotating three hundred and sixty degrees horizon. And
that's the image on the right. The blue radars display
right right, yes, yeah, yeah, Just to differentiate between the two.
The radar on the right, the blue, the trone, the
pillar image. The chromer image is a is a horizontal
scan and the monochrome is on the left. That's that's
a vertical scanning radar. Now what's interesting about this is
it shows correlation. We have an object out there that
both radars, two independent platforms are doing exactly the same thing.
They're producing an echo, a multiple return echo with delay.
Speaker 2: So when you're seeing this with with these two images,
it's two separate radar systems that are simultaneously picking up
picking up this interference pattern while also you are observing
a orb in that vicinity.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, yes, and that's where the core relation comes
in between two radars. Uh, the object itself and and
of course the using a ship as a reference. That's
that's what we want, we want to we want to
we want a large ship with a with a large return,
a big return on the on the on the detection.
So you were sending a pulse out there, the ship
gives us it's a large target. It gives us a
large return. And what we're looking for is anything that
anomalists that might be in a line of sight that
can cause this kind of a an interference pattern, which
again I'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry when I when I'm looking at what I'm
looking at here, where is the ship on this radar display?
Speaker 3: Okay, so the ship on this you will see this
bright area over here. Uh, in the you'll see a
I don't think you can see my mouse here. So
in the northern section at the top of the screen
on the on the horizontal radar, the blue the blue
displays right, you'll see you'll see a white blister.
Speaker 1: At the very very top, like at the edge of
the scale.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeh, yes, that's the ship. Wow, that's the ship. Yes.
And so the ship is the ship is out you
know quite a ways. This is each each ring represents
represents twelve miles. Uh, so we got a ship that's
just just over thirty six miles out there. It's quite
quite a wayte And we've had we had multiple sightings
this night of objects that were out there. And uh,
these echoes that we've gotten in one night alone, we
we got we had four of them, four different types
of echoes. And I believe go ahead, mate, yes.
Speaker 2: I was just going to ask, what is the length
of time that that this interference pattern is present in
the radar display?
Speaker 3: On average, it seems to be only apparent when the
object is in the line of a line of sight.
You know, that's obscuring that right right, and and you know, uh,
the angles so far that we've come up with is
roughly an arc of about forty degrees, I think, you know,
So this is something that we would you know, we
need to explore further. But uh, like I said, it's
a you know, this is something that we see on
both radar systems, and the object is high enough at
an altitude where a vertical scanning radar's picking it up
and producing a very similar pattern.
Speaker 2: Does it Does this tell us exactly how high the
the object is?
Speaker 3: No? No, Unfortunately with these scans here, we were not
able to get the radar to get a return on
the on the object itself. Uh. If we do get them,
they're they're intermittent at best, and there are times that
they don't seem to be in the same location. But
typically if we're talking about just tracking the object without
the interference patterns, if we see the object, we can
we can. Uh, it'll give us depending on where it
is on those concentric circles and what's the setting is
the measurement setting, we can determine its elevation and it's
it's asthma right right where that's and that's that's predetermined.
You know, before this, before we've documented these particular anomalies.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen this sort of interference pattern when
there is you know, clear weather, daytime and no, No, UAP.
Speaker 3: No, No, we see something similar, but it does it
doesn't produce the same pattern. We'll see something that's that's truncated,
it's abbreviated. You'll see you'll see maybe a single linear
line UH with with maybe several echoes, never to a
point where you got you know, as many as we've
counted as many as thirty echoes within that beam moving along. Now, Okay,
so there's there's two distinct UH interference patterns that we've
been studying. One is we classify as uf ees the
UH unexplained field echos or unidentified field echos. And then
we have this one here, this pattern that you you
look you look at right now, UH, this is this
is what we believe is the is is UH is
long delay echoes. So this is when the beam is
coming back late. And what's happening is it's it's scattered
around the radius of the of the PPI, the radar
PI p BI. It's UH. What's happening is that the
radar makes it the the scatter makes a complete three
hundred and sixty degree rotation in two point five seconds
on this on the scope, and these objects are delaying
the UH. The returns that misses that, there's a five
point two degree window, uh you know, a small wedge,
you know, and then that reflects the the the horizontal
uh degree of the of the antenna itself. So in
other words, the the the beam exits the antenna, and
the antenna gives it a five point two degree angle
between edge to edge, and within that five point two
degree that's that's that arc five point two to b
arc is rotating at two point five seconds every every scan,
every three hundred and sixty degrees of rotation. So these
see signals if they if they they missed that window,
and they not, they're not picked up by the antenna.
They could be picked up or ignored well or like say,
ignored or picked up the second or third or fourth
time around. And this is what we sought to get
these long trails, and we've seen it recently, even after
this this document is published, that these trails will go
completely around the scope three hundred and sixty degrees without
any brakes. Yeah, basically, to delay if you're using a
ship is a reference point and these objects are obstructing
that or obstruct or including that view. But it's delay,
and maybe delaying is the return signal. And it's what
you're doing is you're getting a long it stretches the object.
It looks like it expands the object, whether it's a ship,
and it'll stretch it along to get a long, solid return.
Speaker 2: And again, what I'm looking at here, so the kind
of like arc uh returns. So on the top left
one the arc return that I'm seeing sort of like
between you know.
Speaker 1: Ten ten to midnight.
Speaker 2: That that's an interference pattern as well as what's almost
mirrored at.
Speaker 3: The bottom exactly exactly it's uh and it's in that
it's in that radius. It always stays within the same radius.
So in this case here we're looking at eight nautical miles.
It's two and two nautical miles per ring, and you
have one, two, three, got four rings altogether. So this
object is just it's just over six miles roughly about
six point four miles.
Speaker 2: Now is the object just again just trying to understand
what I'm looking at here?
Speaker 1: Is are there two objects?
Speaker 2: Is there one at the top of the display and
then one behind you.
Speaker 3: No, No, that's the the the the the the uh.
The distortion that you see, that's a that's an interference distortion.
That's a late return. What's happening is putting. It's putting
the the the object the original signal almost one hundred
and eighty degrees about Okay, So it's it's it's literally
painting this this object over and over and over again
in that range region region, and so.
Speaker 1: Is the object.
Speaker 3: So the object to the object in this case is
six point four miles out.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: If you look in the right on the right display
the PPI, you'll see on the roughly the twelve thirty
position on the top.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll see you'll see a small object. Actually it's
not small, it's it's quite a large optic because it's
it's it's a it's a large ship. That that is
the that's the original target. It's almost at the one
o'clock position, right. So, but what you're seeing behind it,
that trail, that long trail, Those are those are echoes.
Those are those are those are either delayed echoes or
the or they're propagated echoes that are being picked up
with multiple scans of the UH of the scanner, the
rotating scanner. All right, So the next two images, UH,
you're looking at a second type of interference pattern, which
we believe is an anomalous propagation of the radio wave.
And uh, this is something that we believe is a
uh it's a an LDE or long delay echo. And
of course you know, again this is something that you
know has been around, uh since the since the NAT
eighteen twenties with radio engineers, but of course with the
advent of radar. It's it's visualized in such a way
that you know, you can see you could see multiple
echoes being craaced behind the original targets. So if you
look at the right, the right image, the chromer image,
the blue yet a blue image on the right, which
is is the horizontal scan right and at the roughly
the one o'clock twelve thirty position, you'll see an object
that is on then of a set of metric it's
a metric grid on the edge of the scope there
giving an indication of angle. Okay, so that object is
sitting right on the grid. That's that's the ship. That's
that's a large ship that's out there behind the ship.
What you see is you see yes, so in this case,
to the right of the ship, you'll see multiple echoes,
multiple echo returns. And the reason we believe that you're seeing.
That is because the radio mantena, the scanner within the
radio mantena rotates, it's rotating at it's two and a
half seconds per revolution, and it's catching these signals coming
back late. Now, this is something that we've actually been
able to visualize on another piece of equipment called a
d s O or a digital storage a celloscope UH.
And with that we can actually see the timing relationships
of the signals that are coming back the transmitted signal
versus the received signal. And there seems to be a
an odd number of returns coming back when when they're
when they're UH when we're looking at these returns with
an anomalous object in the field of view, and this
has happened, This has happened many times. In this case here,
what's happening is we believe that these returns coming back
late are actually tracing UH an outline around a range
ring and sometimes almost completely or completely around the circle
radius there the complete circle along that radius. So we'll
we might have this dark area that you see, this
this this reddish area, well you know, run completely around
the PPI display, okay, and then actually meet up with
the target again. And that red is indicating a solid target. Yes,
that's a solid return. You know, if we're looking at
weather weather phenomena, whether it's a cloud, bases, or we're
looking at uh, you know, uh, heavy sea spray or rain.
You know, Uh, those targets are generally grainy. They don't
have the kind of energy coming back, so they'll be
at there'll be uh painted on the screen in much
lighter colors, actually towards white on the on the the
left side of the screen, the left image is a
completely independent radar system. This is the This is a
vertical scanning radar, okay, And what's happening here is that
of course, the you know, we're scanning one hundred and
eighty degrees in one direction, one hundred and sixty five
of which is our is our scanning radius, you know,
for the U for the uh you know, for the
sky view. And and of course this is uh it's
roughly puts it about, you know, roughly about twenty degrees
from the from the horizon. So anything that's you know,
we probably wouldn't see the ship out there. But in
this case here, if there is an object that that
is at least uh, you know, fifteen degrees up in
the sky. We'll be able to see these returns. And
again these are long to what we believe to be
long delay echoes. Okay, so so base, So basically the
radar scanning out there's an object in between us and
the and the ship and we're assuming it's it's taking
the return echo from the ship and just stretching it out,
so you get this elongated, uh, solid return along the
circumference of the ring. Right, And this is this is
this is a form of lensing and the astronomers have
been aware of it for you know, uh, for a
number of years. And uh, you know, obviously the bending
of light around large bodies out there, large masses causes
light to bend. It causes red and blue shifting, which
is all part of the puzzle here that which we're
you know, we're trying to analyze, and uh, the parts
seem to be fitting in place as far as our
our visual indications to our our visual uh observations where
you see the kaleidoscope appearance around some of these objects.
All right, So this is this is a scan of
a of the a large ship out on the horizon,
and you'll see it. You'll see the the water line
over the the ocean. Are you see in the full ground,
you'll see at the end of the beach and you'll
see the water. The water comes up as dark. Okay
in the in the night vision cameras. This is swire.
By the way, there's a short wave of infrared, so
we can see the the ship is is highlighted. It's
a larger vessel that's sitting on the water that long,
that white that large white target. Yes, that's that's a ship.
That's all reference. That's what we're using in this case.
And you'll see, uh, it's just that at an altitude
of roughly uh, these objects are period about you know,
between five and fifteen degrees. We'll see one oudict above
and toward the right side of the ship, right and
the other one is off uh to the left and
further out.
Speaker 1: And and there's no way these are these are conventional aircraft.
Speaker 3: No, No, we were ye, we were tracking aircraft to
both the dual radars.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Uh, just the small milli millimeter wave Doppler DR and
also we look at a d s B. Yeah, you know,
the all hype. We were also looking through the hygh
perspective cameras, so we could see navigation lights and and
and even the silhouette of an aircraft. And because we're
also using a thermal right. And then the key here
is that, you know, with the hyperspective cameras. Uh, this
is the only way we can see these objects, the
only way we can visualize them.
Speaker 2: Commercre you sorry, were you able to see the ship
to your naked eye? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes, ship was obvious. That ship was visible, but these
two objects weren't. We should only be seen in this
in the infrared. Yeah, the ship was well, let you know,
the objects themselves were not visible at all. And uh,
you know, we actually had to look at it in
the short wave infrared camera. And uh, the show wave
infrared is anywhere between twelve hundred and twenty five hundred
nanometers wavelength. All right, So this this is a reference,
This is this is the scanner, This is the antenna
a little bit of ten, the antenna dynamics, the uh,
the scanner itself, and the beam the beam with so uh,
this is a perunal radar system. And the perunal radar
system you're gonna see. You see this round grid, the
circular grid, and to the right of it. You'll see
an image magnified image of one of the encounters that
we had, the anomalies that we had. And what I
did is I I I placed the the object. You'll
see the arrow pointing to the object. The object is
is actually the ship okay, okay, and the the the
If you just look at the wedge, the red wedge,
that's that's the that's the the angular beam, that's the
horizontal beam with in the radar. So the antenna itself
provides provides a beam width of about five point seven degrees,
and that varies a little bit, you know, between five
point two and five point seven degrees. I drew it
at its maximum maximum with it that maximum arc. So
this beam is rotating around this three hundred and sixty
degree grid at two point five seconds per rotation. So
you're getting, of course, you know, you're getting a very
fast scanned with only a five point seven degree window
for this for these returns to come back and line
up and be perfectly synchronized on the display, Well, this
is not happening. It's this beam is coming back, it's
rotating around, it's missing these returns, it's hitting some of
them late, sometimes multiple times as it's rotating, rotating around,
and we'll see that, we'll see that the in some
cases is you know, some of the some of the
the echoes are just missed altogether.
Speaker 1: And and that's not a normal thing that that never
happens except when you're having these.
Speaker 3: Anomalies, right yeah, And that's that's the that's the one
of the principal things that we're looking at right now,
is uh, you know, we're we're you know, we're looking
at and we want to of course correlate a lot
more data on this as far as being out there
in all weather conditions and that sort of thing. And
but it's hard, I mean, you know, these objects are
are visible or or crescent.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's you know at times that you know, it's
not optimum you know, to to of course conduct the
study like this. Okay, but uh, you know, like I said,
over a two year period, we've gotten quite a bit
of data already understood, okay, okay, So and there's some
calculations in there as far as the the beam with
and the the the pulse with and the of course
the rotational scan uh the objects itself. And again you know,
we you know, we we talked about it. The paper
talks about potential gravitational lensing effects and what is what
is known about it, what we believe is happening. The
key effects of the gravitational lensing, you know, and I've
I've outlined that as well, and uh, you know, the
bending of of course of the of the radio wave paths,
which seems to you know, conform to the curvature of
space time as predicted by Einstein and Gens general relativity
uh theorems. And and again we suspect that uh U
A p might be doing the same thing that you know,
if if there if they're propulsion systems, if there's a
there is a gravitational shift, a gravitational set of polls
around these around these craft that is strong enough to
alter the radio waves to uh, to cause these anomalies
uh to occur. You know, we we see it in light.
We see we're seeing it in the light spectrum as well,
red shifting and blue shifting around these objects of course.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, some of the light measurements that we've gotten
that have come back late or early uh, sometimes bending
of the beam moving the beam across the path of
these objects, and it all seem to indicate that there
there's something else going on here, you know, and and
we we we we we believe it's this gravitational lensing effect.
You know, the gravitational lensing is also responsible for multiple
images or multiple returns.
Speaker 1: And and and could this be responsible for seeing different
colors of.
Speaker 3: Or yes, yes, yes, we believe in that that that
that has to do with the changing of the wavelength,
you know, the you know, gravitational field, and of course
the rotation and of rotation. You know, if it's if
the object is rotating in a way where it's rotating
towards the viewer, towards the observer, they seem to blue shift,
and if they're rotating away from the observer, they red shift,
indicating this this kaleidoscope pattern as they're rotating. Now we've
actually looked AT's looked at many of these with a
tracker software and we're looking frame by frame of these
uh of this video and if the video is scanning
at sixty frames per second, we're looking at sixty frames
of video and we can see we can actually see
this rotation and see this color shifting taking place. So,
you know, we believe that we believe they're all related.
And of course, you know, uh, you know this is
this is this includes everything that's in the electromagnetic spectrum.
It's not just light, it's radio waves, it's a thermal energy,
it's i R. And this might also account for the
possibility of the uh, the halos that are seen around
some of these objects that that that the Navy has filmed,
you know, the possibility that it may not be cold.
It may be it may be a form of gravitational lensing, uh,
you know, producing the absence of this of these temperatures
and and and giving it a cold appearance depending on whether,
of course you're you're black hot or white hot.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, that makes that totally makes sense.
Speaker 3: And what's interesting was wee we uh we had uh
we had uh received a video from a police officer
that had had a friend a friend to this take
and this was an object that was hovering over one
of the highways and in the mid mid area of
Long Island. I was hovering at four o'clock in the morning.
Essential it was the essential Long Island that was it
was sitting there stationary, and he took a few second
video of it, or you know, maybe less than a minute.
But it was a very interesting video as was a
police officer handed it to us. We've got all the particular,
all particular details on it. I even talked to you,
and we talked to a police officer. We talked to
the friend of the police officer about what are we
seeing And the object shows the same kind of displays
as our or as so many objects, many of the
objects we were seeing off the shoreline. And we see
this blue and red ship, you know, this chromatic display
and like I said, the only thing, the only way
I can describe it is like a kaleidoscope. But it's
very specific there. You know, you can see two very
specific color shifts and the red and blue and every
one of those objects you've seen me red and blue. Okay,
so you know what you're looking at now? Is is
is a third interference pattern and this one's very unique.
This is this is during an event that we had
at between two and five thirty in the morning. We
were getting into returns on objects that we saw over
the horizon, over the ocean, and the objects were not
very far out, but there there was a there were
a few objects out there. They seem to be moving about,
but we believe that the patterns that are demonstrated here,
these wedge type patterns mm hmm. We believe that they
are there are multipaths, they're they're ghosting signals, there are
multiple reflections of an object, you know, causing this anomalous
propagation of the radio waves and giving this very distinct
web uh wedg shaped pattern. What's interesting about it is
that they all seem to line up. Uh. Now in
the center of the image. They have the center of
the pp I uh that's where the r V is,
that's all MOBI laboratory. That is the center dot right,
that's where the radio mantenna is and that's doing its rotation.
So these objects are lining up almost like almost like
a form of uh possibly electromagnetic migration. Were attracted to
the radar pulses, right, you know, some kind of a
a lore attraction to the to the radar signal itself.
And of course we've you know, we went through the
realignment of the radar when this happens. We've we've adjusted
the the clutter the clutter sensitivity for for rain and
sea mode, and just to make sure that it wasn't
some kind of a sea action, a wave action, on
the water that was causing it. And the interesting thing
about it is that even when we pitched the radar
and we're able to pitch that radar fifteen degrees to
get it away from the the the away from the sea,
and away from Earth. Right, we want to get up,
so we want to get skyward. You could see behind
the behind the the laboratory directly one hundred and eighty degrees,
almost hundred eighty degrees about in the six o'clock position
right is the same pattern. But that pattern is over
the bay, the island bed. Now, the bay doesn't have
the rough waters, it doesn't have the sea conditions that
the ocean would have. And and that's a that's a
that's a very that's a strong indicator that it's it's
not related to the water, the ocean waves, the cresting
of the waves, that sort of thing. I want to
make one more point too, as sure as when you
see this wedge of objects lining up, it was lining
up at the front of the where the r V
was parked and we had the radar was sending out
its its transmissions. What we saw at the same time
that we got this radar anomaly that they appeared is
we had between four We started with four orbs of light,
one sitting hovering over the water a few just a
few several maybe maybe fifty feet above the water, and
it was casting a light reflection on the water and
it was it was changing its elevation. And that one
was and then we had on our on our central
monitor it's also seeing in the I R. We also
had uh two other orbs of light off to its site.
It was in that wedge shape too. They were coming
off from the objects center on the water. And then
these two objects above it what's the orbs, and then
then what appeared as a couple more orbs and in
another orb. So we have like a total of six
of these orbs that were sitting in front of us,
hovering over the ocean, and they aligned with this radar
an Belye. These were this wedge shape radar track wedd
shape pattern and you saw these solid targets the red
with the solid targets constantly shifting that position.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Let me explain that too. So so what you look at,
you see a wedge shape pattern that's white. That white
is what they call echo trails. So what happens is
the radar remembers the last position of a solid return.
The return has to be red it has to be
a solid return. Before it's it'll start painting the screen.
So the persistence of the of that of that target
remains there. And you can set that persistence between five
seconds and thirty and thirty seconds. So what we did
is we maximize that setting just to see what this
pattern looked like. And these objects were moving in that
in that uh, that wedge shaped pattern. And actually we
shared I think the last time we were on you show,
we shared some of those videos. The object that I
think we showed, uh uh, the orb that was there
was casting reflection on the water and there were four
or five orbs fluff hovering above it. I'm pretty sure
we shared that video last time. Right, Yes, that's the
same that's the same video that corresponds to this radar anomaly. Right.
So so we've you know, well, of course we're calling
these out is as unidentified field echos or long and
long delay echo interference, a combination of the two.
Speaker 2: And and this this radar system, what is the smallest
object it can detect?
Speaker 3: Uh, So that's that becomes a little more tricky because
and I'm the size of a cessna plane. Uh, it
could detect the objects roughly, I would say, no more
than about maybe three to four miles away, simply because
of its small profile. These objects would have to be
relatively close with their with their their presentation, we believe
them to be anywhere between two and four meters in diameter.
Speaker 1: These orbs.
Speaker 3: So yeah, these orbs exactly exactly, so that would just
be within the range of this radar driving right to
see it, right, And if you and if you look
at the range markers too on the left, the left top,
it's it's showing the maximum range of of a quarter
quarter nanim the nautical miles, and each ring is roughly
just over a tenth you know, so you got you
got point one two five nautical miles for each ring.
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 3: So it's relatively close to the coast and interesting. Another
interesting feature of this is is just to determine if
if there was some maybe bizarre atmospheric phenomena it was
causing us. We actually moved the the mobile lab about
one thousand feet over to over to the right, these
these these west yes, to the west, and and and
these objects started filling in the screen again there's wedge
forms right in front of the right in front of
the r V that formed the same pattern. We did
it again. We moved the the the mobile lab to
the east about a thou over a thousand view or
maybe twelve hundred feet, and again they were reforming and
and right in front of the the the mobile lamb
again right right. So so they seemed to they seemed
to track our location. And the same thing we can
say visibly, the the the the object that was over
the water, uh, that we could see with our eyes
that seemed to change its position also, you know, so
it's something was it was definitely within the line of sight.
Speaker 2: So uh.
Speaker 3: Again you know, we're not sure whether this is something
you know, that had to do with possibly electromagnetic migration,
or just that they're they were fascinated by what we
were doing. Well at least showed some awareness awareness that
we were there. We were there because it appeared appeared
straight in front of us. So a big portion of
this paper, a lot of is uh is theoretical, involving
the of course, the the operation of the radar, UH,
some of the some of the uh, the spectrum data.
We also UH, what I do did want to outline
is that the we uh we we did put together. Uh,
let me just go back a little bit. I think here, okay, uh,
the anomaly the anomalies themselves, and I wanted to emphasize
that this gravitational lensing causes does cause a magnification of
the signals, and uh, you know, I don't know if
we can equate it to certain sightings of these translucent
objects that folks are seeing. And it seems that they,
you know, some are describing it as a lens over
the sky that you can see everything behind it. They
seem to be magnified, and maybe you know, there's you know,
maybe there's a possibility here that you know that this
gravitational lensing is producing that effect. Okay, okay, so we
we go through of course red shift and blue shift.
You know what it's occurring, and for how we're relating
it to you know, large masses, massive objects concentrated gravitational force,
possibly a wormhole or even a U a P producing
a wormhole.
Speaker 2: I'm just completely blown away, but not surprised at at
the level of detail, the level of scientific analysis and
engineering that has that has gone into this.
Speaker 1: It's really just off the charts.
Speaker 3: This is a lot of work. We used three main
data points. It was there was a radar data, it
was the light, our data, and our multi spectral camera
day right, right, and we're gonna show that. We're gonna
show that next. But uh, you know, we're basically we're
we're opening up, We're opening up the conversation here. You know,
we want we want academia to weigh in on this.
We've you know, we've talked to some folks, but we
want them to weigh on the way in on this too.
And and and uh, this is where we need to
work with. We work with you know, uh, people in
in the in the academic community, physicists, the astrophysicists, that
sort of thing. We actually presented this paper to to
Kevin Knuth. Yeah, he's he's a he's reading it right now, right, Yeah,
So all right, so this is this is this is
the Police Office of video that we used as a reference,
and we have ours in here too. But this is typical.
So the object is is magnified and this is the
this is in the visible light. This isnt a visible
portion of the spectrum. So this thing was was rotating
at a rapid pace. Uh, the police officer or I'm
not sure if there's a bus driver. Yeah, it was
a police officer's close friend who was a bus driver. Okay, right,
that's what Okay, it was at four o'clock in the morning. Right,
So the police officer handed off this video to us
and knows he knows this person very well, the bus driver. Yeah.
So the police officer vouch for this, vouch for yeah.
So and I had a conversation. We had a conversation
both with both parties. Yeah. So what you see You
see an object that that that it was over a
central Long island, over an area called Middle Country Road,
and this object was just out there rotating around, producing
this incredible kaleidoscope, and that brought his attention to it.
They took his camera, got out of the bus and
started videotaping it. Uh and uh or video recording it
that taping kind of dating myself here. So you see
the object. You'll see two distinct things here as far
as the chromatic display on the left side of the object.
Let's you know, let's start with the first one. On
the left side of the object, you'll see, uh see
a reddish a reddish shoe to it. You'll see the
white war It has a geometric shape. If you looked
this whole object sort of sort of looks kind of
like a polyhedral R polyhedrals three dimensional shape, right, but
unfortunately it's cell phone video. It's compressed and it's distorted
quite a big. On the right side, you'll see uh
the uh you see a shift of blue. Now what's
happening is the angles between the two top images the
left to the right. You have one on the left
that's rotating towards the observer. On the right you see
the blue shift and it red shifts as it rotates
away from the observer. On the right side. Top the
right top there you'll see just the opposite. You'll see
it's rotating to the to the left h the left
side rotating towards the observer and the right side away
a blue shift, red shift. And you can see this
throughout every one of these images. The thing that I
want to point out is that there there is some
very dark regions in this in this object itself, which
is kind of interesting because in some of the images
that we have, they're very very just defined areas of
of of uh areas where there the light seems to
be a cut off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these little black areas that I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Exactly almost like poles. It almost looked like poles. Yeah,
it almost like a magnetic polese. Yeah. So there there
are areas that are the light simply doesn't seem to cross.
And what we're wondering is whether this again, this might
be possibly the poles of a gravitational generator inside a
gravitational field that's that envelops, envelops this object. And these
areas that you see are dark are in fact the
absence of light. They're absorbing light. Well, they're not producing
they're not allowing light to escape, right.
Speaker 2: What you would think, you know, see, you've got these
other areas of this orb that are producing light.
Speaker 1: It would be like looking at a ball a light
and then seeing a hole in the middle of it.
Speaker 2: It's like it doesn't make any sense to you know,
to you know, to what you would normally experience in nature.
Speaker 3: Right right now. And something that's something else we observe too,
is that these areas, these dark areas, depending on how
much ambient light is out there, they seem to be
darker than the available ambient light out there. They're they're
they're extremely dark regions. And we've looked at these numbers.
We've looked at the IRA units, which is intensity units,
and we see these amplitudes are deeper. Uh, they're deeper
than they are with the rest of the the sky,
the rest of the environment around.
Speaker 2: It, which which again makes absolutely no sense in terms
of like what what you would visually see that is
not like something you would you would normally observe in nature.
Speaker 3: Right right. And you know something else too that you know,
we noticed in in quite a few of the frames
on the on the left, the second image down there
seems to be two orphics, the two orphices on the
bottom of this unit or this this this object, which
are very dark.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: We see something on the top which is spaced apart
quite a bit, and the field around it almost looks
like it almost looks like a heart shaped pattern.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I see, I'll see what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and and and you and you'll see what's
from you know, with some of the images, I'm just
gonna move down a little bit further here. So the
next set of four images on the left, you see
this a little bit more defined. The objects is rotating uh,
diagonally top to bottom, blue shifting and then red shifting
as it's moving away from the observer. And you see
these these again, these dark areas on the top of
the object and on the bottom seems to be uh
seems to be one area one open for a dark
area that again, you know, whether it's the absence of
light or or something else that you know, is preventing
the light from crossing that path.
Speaker 2: Why are the images at the bottom green around the
object the sort of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that, that's the that's a different camera.
You know, the cameras themselves are uh, they'll still show
you know, intimittent shades issues, you know, uh uh you
know between uh you got you know, blue on one side,
you got red on the other, and you'll you'll have
a you'll have a various different shoes in between. Yes,
it's turning. As it's turning, you might see that in
that intermittence, that changing color, right right. But the two
dominant the two dominant things that we see is red
and blue. That seems to be dominant, you know. So
on the lower left you see red. On the bottom,
you see that slight that blue on the on the
top on the right you see mostly blue. It's it's
rotating down and away from the observer. And this is
you know, this is this has been you know, typically
what we've been seeing with the with the analysis that
we've done so far. And of course, you know, we
talk about, you know, the the the importance of investigating
signal behaviors, some of these hyper spectral signal signature behaviors
as well. Path distortion. We talked a little bit about
the key points with gravitational lensing path distortion, the slow
down of gravity been produced by a gravitational lens UH,
sometimes speeding up or magnified, the appearance of a magnified
image or magnified possibly magnifying the radio waves path distortion UH,
time time delay UH. Of course we brought us brought
this into a discussion again, bringing up these these various
different UH terms and anomalies as well the UH, the
the the the alteration of the pad the radio waves,
the changes in the path. We call it path distortion
or anomalist propagation. Multiple images and routes of the radio waves.
We see them deflecting off. We we and we actually
see the disturbances with other radars with the core you know,
the correlating data. So we have a vertical scanning and
a horizonal scanning radar, and we have beams that are
being picked up by both independently from the original beam.
Speaker 1: And again because you have two radars, it's it's eliminating.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's really a multi sensor observation. You you are eliminating
the possibility that one is is uh. I know, I know,
debunker mcwest likes to kind of spread this this insane
theory that that some of these Navy videos uh where
they view a U A p R are simply due
to multiple mill spec equipment sensor systems failing simultaneously. So
so essentially what you're doing here is you are you
are proving that it is not an anomaly in the equipment, right.
Speaker 3: Right, exactly right. It's a confirmatory method. It's like a
referee method. We're doing right right doing To com make
one comment about that, Mick West saying that the military
sensor systems are are prone to artifacts or failures, They're not.
Those are the top the highest level of electronics. It's
called Class three electronics. That's does a cut function electronics,
whether it's it's using the medical field to use it
the military use in NASA. The last three electronics is
the top of the line. Loves electronics. They can't fit,
they can't fail in the field. And both of these
extremely rare.
Speaker 2: And both of you have worked with that equipment, correct,
that level of mill spec equipment. This is part of
what you do in your normal job.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, Gerald, more so than myself. Yeah, I've worked
in the military sector for probably about twenty years.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you have experience with this equipment, and I
would imagine part of the reason that it is military spec,
military grade equipment is it can't fail because it's it's
protecting the lives of people.
Speaker 3: Right, it's not prone to failure, and I can't it.
Like I says, it has to meet a high standard
in order to be used.
Speaker 1: Okay, so please continue.
Speaker 3: Okay, So again I outlined I highlighted some of the
important the effects of course of the gravitational lens, multiple
images and routes, signal enhancement, the magnification of the signal
itself into into the dependence of the spectrum itself. It
doesn't matter whether it's light, it's radio waves, it's it's
it's a heat everything conforms to the electromagnetic spectrum. There
they're they're obviously different wavelengths, but right up right up
to ionizing radiation. You know, this gravitational lens would affect
anything in the electromagnet, all of those parameters exactly. And
it's so it's not, you know, it's not you know,
frequency dependent or anything like that. It's although lower frequencies
for at least for radar, you know, have a it
can have a habit of bouncing around in the atmosphere.
But we're talking about very low frequencies relatively to modern
day radar. We're talking about ten megaarts in below. The
radars that we use are are up in the gig earts, okay,
And of course the importance of using multiple technologies, you know,
in this case here we're using uh, three centimeter eight millimeter,
which is the millimeter wave radar, which is which is
a very very fine pitch to it. It's uh, it's
it's a characteristic nature is to bounce back and give
good returns when you're looking at sea conditions or you're
looking at weather conditions and that sort of thing. The
same can be said for the three three centimeter beam
that we can adjust those clutter controls. We can actually
see the moisture in the air more or less for
a weather application.
Speaker 1: Wow, things are really sensitive.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean, uh, you know, the the
vertical radar. You know, we we actually look look at
the cloud ceilings and with enough sensitivity, you know, if
they're if they're heavy enough, if they're if there's enough
moisture in there, we can see right to the top
of the on the top of the ceiling. You know,
we could actually watch the super cell build exactly the
you know conclusion. Of course, you know the people that
we acknowledge it in the in the paper and of
course the work cited. But you know, I would, uh,
I would, you know, employee everybo, anybody that's interested in
this stuff to read it. It's the paper should be
out the end of the month. It's also on our
web our web page which is uh the the domain
name is night crawl all all one word nightcrawler eye
on the sky dot org and they can read that.
They can read this paper in its entirety.
Speaker 1: How long did this paper take?
Speaker 2: I mean, this level of scientific detail is like I said,
literally off the charts. How long did this effort take.
Speaker 3: It was, well, it's it's a culmination of of research
that we've done over over over over two years. The
paper was you know, we wrote the paper and within
the last the last six months, you know, putting you know,
this data together, and you know, we've had you know,
we've had input from from other folks that other specialties,
other professionals in the in the of course in radar
and military and that sort of thing. So you know,
and I hope a lot of this information comes out.
I really hope it's you know, it's revealed that there's
so many stuff that you know, at least, you know,
maybe points a direction to what might be happening around
these objects and and and and possibly the uh to
prove this maybe a type of propulsion system that that's
being used.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would make sense. And that's my hope as well.
Other scientists, serious academics are going to look at what
you guys have have have produced and the data that
you have. H this isn't just the stuff you're making up.
And hopefully this will inspire other scientists and engineers such
as yourself to to also investigate this and further further
back it up and by the way, if you got
guy are looking to like earn a few extra bucks.
I understand that doctor Sean Kirkpatrick is looking for tutors
on how to produce a historical report. I think he
got I think he got his lessons from from some
the fifth grade writing tutor.
Speaker 1: But hey, you know, I think you guys could could
definitely help help the guy out. So so another thing,
all right, okay, now, now when.
Speaker 2: I had you guys on the first time, your your
your research vehicle, the night Crawler, that was in its
its phase one condition, correct, yes, okay, And then what
we're viewing now with this report, these are all phase
two sensors.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is actually down to a third up to
a third generation's censor system.
Speaker 1: Okay, And that's that is what what's next?
Speaker 2: So you have a research proposal for a phase three initiative,
UH called proposal for a U A p U s
O Maritime Research Endeavor.
Speaker 1: What exactly is this endeavor? Walk us through that?
Speaker 3: So you know, so what we want to do is
we want to take the show out on the road
to so to speak. You know, it's out on the ocean. Basically,
we want to we want to you know, expand this
to to U s OS as well.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, we want to we have you know, we
have some data on U A P. We want to
see if if the phenomena U s OS can be
uh you know, examined with the sonar type equipment underwater.
And this research venture calls for some kind of a
platform or or a boat of some sort ship that
would get our equipment out there. And what we want
to do is instrument this this uh you know, this
boat with the latest the latest sonar equipment, you know,
remote operated vehicles to look under the water. We want
to use side scan sonar. We want to use omnivision
or omni omni OMNIVUEW sonar systems which looks at three
hundred and sixty degrees under the water on a depth
of three thousand feet, and we want to take it
out towards the deep water trench as well as of
course the Intercoastal Waterway. On the east coast of the US,
there seems to be a lot of activity on the shorelines,
especially if you listen to Richard Dolan and what he is,
what he's written about, and the fact that he believes
that a lot of these objects are more prevalent on
the on the coastlines and may even be over the water.
That of course we don't have, you know, we don't
have lots of observation over the water. But you know,
you know, judging by what the navy pilots have been seeing,
you know, we want to see whether or not you know,
there's uh, there's much more to be explored out there,
and there's definitely an affinity for the water because we're
seeing these things along the coast and we're seeing them
sitting covering up over the ocean, right and they actually
coming down over the ocean. So if you could retrofit
a boat, probably a motor, a small motor yacht, and
we could completely retrofit that with the equipment, that would
do the trick. And we're talking to a small yacht.
We're talking about something like thirty five feet thirty five
klat no, no, nothing like thirty five footy foot vessel. Yeah,
that would that would suit our purpose right right. So
and then and again it's the it's the you know,
we want to you know, we want to instrument this
this this vessel with the with the latest radar equipment,
the latest sonar equipment, communications equipment, and uh we you know,
we're we want to use the AI AI applications with
this and spent some time out there and see exactly
what's what what the behavior is like how much it's Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Know, I was just going to say, I mean this,
this sounds like a costly endeavor, but it also sounds
like this has huge payoff. You know, when you were
describing it, I was I was thinking about the original
radar images that you were showing that and and sorry,
the the one I think it was a short wave
infra red image where you had a ship in the
distance and then between where you were standing in the
ship were these orbs. So if if you had a
a ship with these sensors and you observe that that
uh you know these U A P you could drive
right right towards right towards those U A P.
Speaker 3: Right exactly exactly. And it's uh, you know, it's still
it's still a coastal you know, if it's coastal phenomena
with it, you know this, we can explore the coast.
We can you know, move this thing down to you know,
fall down as Florida and uh, you know, up to
New Hampshire and so forth, and it's uh, you know,
wherever the activities seems to be, that's what we want
to explore, you know, I mean, like this whole Jersey
thing that's going on New Jersey. You know, we'd like
to get our we'd like to get our r V
outdate the laboratory, mobile lab and and use some of
our senses to see, you know, whether or not it
can be identified. We're actually we're actually planning that we're
thinking about doing that during the Christmas week. Great, it's
probably getting out there for overnight and see what they're
seeing out there. Right, So you know, we want to
of course, want to reach out to the authorities and
get certain authorizations to do that. You know, uh, you know,
there's a lot of equipment, there's a lot of cameras
and of course you know it's uh, you know, uh,
you know, we got issues with you know, bridges and
that sort of thing. So you know, we want to
we want to make sure that that's not going to
be an issue bringing a fully equipped laboratory out to
New Jersey.
Speaker 2: Now for this, for this phase three initiative, are you
looking for investors to make this happen?
Speaker 3: Sure? Yeah. Yeah, so we actually made three proposals the
different courts. The role of course costs proposals. Yeah, so
it's i mean something that starts out around one hundred
and seventy five thousand. We're talking about you know, a
mid level, which is which would be more like uh,
you know, two hundred and seventy five, you know, five
hundred and up to a million and up to a
million on this. But it's uh, you know, we're talking
about you know, doing this at the fraction of a
cost of a lot of other endeavors. You know, it's
but it's again it's the concentration for us is getting
the right equipment and you know that's not negotiable. You know,
we want to get the you know, want to get
you know, with whatever the expense is. We want to
get the right equipment on board. And we've already been eyeballing.
And that's what's in numbermosal Right, that's why it costs
more cost effective. As engineers, we know what was shopping for,
and we know what we're looking exactly what we're looking
for to the parameters will looking for right, and we're
looking for other other you know folks involved. You know,
we're looking for, you know, the support of academia where
you know, we don't want to do this thing, you know,
we want to incorporate you know, other expertise, other specialties,
you know, especially especially academia. You know, it's we've got
to get you know, got to get them involved. You know,
if you have a maritime laboratory, which is with the
Exodust X phase, if we could explore out to one
hundred miles out in the ocean, fifty one hundred miles,
I mean, I think it would be pretty dramatic. Yeah,
I do believe. I mean, you know, we have we're
confident that we can, we can come up with some
very very positive data on this stuff and maybe, you know,
maybe move this thing, hopefully help move this thing towards
this disclosure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we're all we're all definitely fighting for that.
On the other hand, speaking of someone that is not
fighting for disclosure but trying to block it, and and
Gaslight absolutely