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<v Speaker 1>Wrapping up the four o'clock hour on the Drive, Orter Larsen,

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Larson taking you through it on a Friday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to work with. Howard Beck of the Ringer

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<v Speaker 1>stops by to close out the four o'clock hour, as

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<v Speaker 1>he does each and every Friday. Howard always good to

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<v Speaker 1>chat with you appreciate your time, my friend. How are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing well?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you.

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<v Speaker 1>Likewise likewise doing pretty well? Obviously NBA Playoffs Action rolls on.

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<v Speaker 1>We got twenty minutes here with you, so we'll we'll

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<v Speaker 1>spend most of it on that what series, And for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just preface it with it's it's it's Warriors Rockets

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<v Speaker 1>because of the contrast between where these two teams are

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<v Speaker 1>as far as franchise wise, right, maybe the end of

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<v Speaker 1>a of a run versus the Rockets a two seed,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the beginning of one that for me has been

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the most intriguing series. What's had your attention

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<v Speaker 1>in that regard Warriors Rockets?

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, there's never a bad time to see Steph

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<v Speaker 2>Curry do his thing, and we don't know how many

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<v Speaker 2>more years of it we'll get. And yes, like you,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I love the clash of not only styles, but

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<v Speaker 2>of generations and one team on the rise and one

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<v Speaker 2>team where we don't you know, if they're heading towards

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<v Speaker 2>the horizon Steph and Draymond and now Jimmy Butler on board.

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<v Speaker 2>The only you know caveat to that series being the

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<v Speaker 2>one that I think I came in with the most

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<v Speaker 2>interesting is now. Of course we've got Jimmy Butler questionable

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<v Speaker 2>because of that heart fall the other night, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a bummer. Let's hope he plays in Game three.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to see everybody at full strength as much

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<v Speaker 2>as possible. But that one's, I mean, already been pretty entertaining.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that one's lived up to its billing. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Nick's Pistons to Go to My Backyard has lived up

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<v Speaker 2>to the billing as well, And I think the Pistons

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<v Speaker 2>have been every bit as feisty and confident, a little

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<v Speaker 2>shaky and crunch time in the two losses that they've had,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, we're seeing them learn on the fly

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<v Speaker 2>in real time against the next team that's got you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand times more playoffics experience. But I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>the Pistons have been, for the most part up to

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<v Speaker 2>the task, and you know they're they're now facing I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, you know, we're we're getting to that point

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<v Speaker 2>now right where everybody's almost everybody's played these two games

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<v Speaker 2>and we're getting a lot of the more Game three tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're now heading into the second weekend where okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's put up for shut up time for certain teams,

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<v Speaker 2>and like the Pistons have to win Game four or

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty much over. They go down three to one,

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<v Speaker 2>it's probably over. I don't know if it's must win

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<v Speaker 2>time yet for the Warriors, but you know, they're they're

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<v Speaker 2>going home, and they're you know, they stole home court

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<v Speaker 2>advantage right off the bat in that series. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how far can they push it with a with either

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<v Speaker 2>a banged up Jimmy or maybe no Jimmy, Clippers Nuggets,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I feel like has kind of lived up

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<v Speaker 2>to the building, although the Nuggets with each passing game

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<v Speaker 2>look a little bit less up to the task, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think have serious concerns. But we've got you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like throughout the one eights, because the one aights are

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<v Speaker 2>always kind of a bummer series. We've got a really

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<v Speaker 2>good two seven with Warriors Rockets. The other two seven

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<v Speaker 2>is you know, I don't really care much about Celtics Magic,

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<v Speaker 2>but we've got plenty of good series and I'm really interested,

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<v Speaker 2>uh to see how this this week's second weekend goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think And hey, Howard, this is Andy Larson.

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<v Speaker 3>UH wanted to ask about the Lakers Timberwolves series too.

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<v Speaker 3>I think for a lot of people here in you

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<v Speaker 3>thought the Timberwolves are their second favorite team with the

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Conley, Rudy Gobert, Ti heck, even Joe Ingles right, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you'd see? You know that series right now

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<v Speaker 3>is at one one. Game three is tonight seven thirty

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<v Speaker 3>on ESPN. What do you see as the determining factor

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<v Speaker 3>in that series? And do you think that the Wolves

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<v Speaker 3>can stick with the Lakers and and ultimately win it?

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<v Speaker 1>What's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Andy?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Always great when I get double the Larsons on a

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<v Speaker 2>Friday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't have too many.

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<v Speaker 2>There's there really isn't there's there's uh, there's no limit.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe at my family reunion.

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<v Speaker 2>That might be too many Larsons. Yeah, that I would

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<v Speaker 2>overdose Lakers. The Lakers are interesting because I didn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like this was a complete team when they got Luca right,

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<v Speaker 2>like they they had to sacrifice some some size and

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<v Speaker 2>some depth, And I thought, well, this is a this

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<v Speaker 2>is a move for the next ten years, not for today.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's turned out like it was a move for

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<v Speaker 2>today too. Like I think they're they're much stronger than

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<v Speaker 2>I had anticipated. I'm a little concerned for them right

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<v Speaker 2>now against the wolves in that you know, there are

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<v Speaker 2>moments where Lebron looks his age a little bit. There

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<v Speaker 2>are moments where it's a little bit too much of

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<v Speaker 2>the Luca Show, And I feel like, as much as

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<v Speaker 2>those two guys play well off of each other, there's

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<v Speaker 2>still kind of a process going on where they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out how best to keep everybody involved and

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<v Speaker 2>thriving on the timberal side of it. You know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a big you know, the latest version of a

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<v Speaker 2>big test for Anthony Edwards. Don't like that he got

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<v Speaker 2>into it with fans the other day and got films

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<v Speaker 2>saying and doing other things that were not great for

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<v Speaker 2>a family audience and then draw you know, yet another fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we all keep waiting for the moment where

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Edwards turns into the star that we expect them

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<v Speaker 2>to be. Like, the production is there, the highlights are

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<v Speaker 2>there is the maturity, There is the is the leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>There is the ability to be great every single night,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the real test of greatness in this league.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's a lot of guys who can put up

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five thirty on a given night, but it's consistency

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<v Speaker 2>and an efficiency with that that matters most. And so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Anthony Edwards going up against you know, two

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<v Speaker 2>generational stars in Luca and Lebron. It's interesting. I also

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<v Speaker 2>think the other night and you knew that the Lakers

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<v Speaker 2>were going to get right back in the series, but

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<v Speaker 2>like all the role guys suddenly fell off a cliff

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<v Speaker 2>for the Wolves, you know, suddenly like nas Reed, Jade McDaniels,

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<v Speaker 2>all these guys like who were so effective in Game

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<v Speaker 2>one just looked suddenly, you know, clumsy, not not quite

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<v Speaker 2>on their games. So but series have a way of

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<v Speaker 2>swinging back and forth. And I that was when I

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<v Speaker 2>expected to go seven from the start, and I still

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<v Speaker 2>kind of expect that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's interesting, you know, on your aunt point, I

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<v Speaker 3>thought his quote after Game two is really interesting that

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<v Speaker 3>he said, you know, he said he was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>almost confused by what the Lakers were doing defensively. He said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that they were doing what he called a

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<v Speaker 3>confusing kind of zone when he had the ball, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's that kind of you know, he's still young,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's that kind of game recognition that I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think that he has at the highest level that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like Lebron does or you know, even like a Dwayne

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<v Speaker 3>Wade did ten, fifteen whatever years ago. Like it's just

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<v Speaker 3>he is so talented and so athletic, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the jump SHOT's been amazing this year, but it's just

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<v Speaker 3>not quite there. You're right to be a the the

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<v Speaker 3>man in a playoff series to ultimately like drag you

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<v Speaker 3>to Western Conference finals wins for example.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you know the reason that Lebron has

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<v Speaker 2>had the career he's had, and that lucas you know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously Luca's not won a championship yet, but he's been

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<v Speaker 2>to the finals. The reason these guys are a cut

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<v Speaker 2>above is because they're not just great scorers. They have

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<v Speaker 2>really high basketball IQ. They think the game, they see

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<v Speaker 2>the game, They make their teammates better with their playmaking.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think Andy that like to your point, like

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we're not seeing yet from Anthony Edwards, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, look, not everybody's going to be a Luca

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<v Speaker 2>or Lebron. You can be great in this league in

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<v Speaker 2>various ways, and you don't have to average, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>eight to ten assists a game, but it's nice if

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<v Speaker 2>you can get there sometimes and if you can really

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<v Speaker 2>recognize when your teams are in an advent or when

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<v Speaker 2>your teammates or in an advantageous position to get them

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<v Speaker 2>the ball. You know you're assists. You're assist rate should

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<v Speaker 2>go up over time, and I think Anthonyaviers has become

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<v Speaker 2>a better playmaker over time. But I think there's still

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<v Speaker 2>more growth to come there that it's not just about

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<v Speaker 2>whether you can jump over everybody or get to the

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<v Speaker 2>rack yourself. You're going to be doubled and you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be tripled, and you've got to find ways to

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<v Speaker 2>leverage your teammates.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked a little bit about Rockets Warriors and now Lakers, Timberwolves,

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<v Speaker 1>Nuggets Clippers. The other series in the West that is competitive.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it Thunder Grizzlies, especially after last night. You

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<v Speaker 1>can probably pencil in the result there, but Nuggets Clippers

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<v Speaker 1>has been fun as well. You see what Kawhi can

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<v Speaker 1>be when he's healthy and what we know he is

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<v Speaker 1>when he's healthy. Getting a little bit more from Harden.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked to earlier in the show about how good

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<v Speaker 1>Zubach has been. What can the Nuggets do to flip

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<v Speaker 1>the script there? It seemed like the conversation we had

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<v Speaker 1>earlier with Zach Harper. You know, you just hope that

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<v Speaker 1>that Nikola Jokic can kind of carry you to the

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<v Speaker 1>Promised Land as he did. You don't have the surrounding

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<v Speaker 1>characters that you maybe did a year or two ago.

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<v Speaker 1>What can the Nuggets do to stay in that series?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it does feel like it's an uphill battle, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Clippers are close to maybe maybe a shortened this

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<v Speaker 1>series in the next game or two.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this could very easily be three ozer Clippers

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<v Speaker 2>right now. I mean, the Nuggets won the first game

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<v Speaker 2>in overtime, and they had some miscues down the stretch

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<v Speaker 2>that they could have sunk them. They were fortunate to

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<v Speaker 2>get that win. I I picked the Clippers who win

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<v Speaker 2>this series from the start. I'm feeling pretty good about

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<v Speaker 2>that prediction right now. I'm not a big predictions guy,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just feel like the Clippers have more depth,

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<v Speaker 2>more guys you could just rely on. Period. The Nuggets

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<v Speaker 2>rely so much on Jokic elevating everybody, and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>carry their own, you know, and it's eroded over time

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<v Speaker 2>since the championship, and you know Russell Westbrook giveth and

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<v Speaker 2>Russell Westbrook taketh away like he's not an easy, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>guy to plug in and you just never know what

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to get from him. They really need Jamal

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<v Speaker 2>Murray to be the kind of player we've seen the

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<v Speaker 2>in postseasons passed and especially in their championship run. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>else is really creating for themselves or others on that team,

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<v Speaker 2>aside from Murray and Jokic. But I just the rotation

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<v Speaker 2>Like I hate to say this because it's twisted. Their

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<v Speaker 2>bad knee again. Like the only reason the Clippers have

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<v Speaker 2>not been a perennial power is because of Kawhi's health.

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<v Speaker 2>And right now he looks like you know, Toronto Raptors.

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<v Speaker 2>Kawhi the guy they got back in twenty nineteen. And

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<v Speaker 2>as long as the Clippers are at full strength, I

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe this is an unfair question because you might need

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<v Speaker 1>to dig into the dig into the history of it,

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<v Speaker 1>But do you recall in your time covering the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>ever a time when a team was had home court

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<v Speaker 1>advantage in a playoff series and they had also fired

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<v Speaker 1>their coach within the last couple of weeks. That seems

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<v Speaker 1>to me like they're dealing with a juncture in the

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<v Speaker 1>franchise that we've never really seen in the league before,

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<v Speaker 1>at least not to my knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think it had ever happened. Actually, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a shocker when it happened, and some people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>went to the history books immediately and all the databases

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<v Speaker 2>they could find, and I think what the people who

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<v Speaker 2>are better at this than I am came up with was, No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's never happened. We've never had the coach of a

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<v Speaker 2>you know, high level playoff bound team fired with three

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<v Speaker 2>days to go in the regular season. So unprecedented, not great.

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<v Speaker 2>I sort of understood it, but also not like I

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<v Speaker 2>get that if you think that Michael Malone has lost

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<v Speaker 2>the locker room as well as obviously the classes between

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<v Speaker 2>him and the front office with Calvin Booth, you fire

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<v Speaker 2>them both. I sort of get it. I understand that

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<v Speaker 2>was a cloud hanging over them, but it's it also

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<v Speaker 2>just it's a the stabilizing thing to fire your coach

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<v Speaker 2>has been with the team for ten years and presided

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<v Speaker 2>over a championship just two years ago. To fire him,

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<v Speaker 2>which is days to go, whatever the status was, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>the issues were between him and the front office or

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<v Speaker 2>him and the players. I just don't see how that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, benefits you to remove the coach at that

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<v Speaker 2>stage and then to plug in an assistant coach and

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<v Speaker 2>David Adelman, who you know, is very highly regarded and

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<v Speaker 2>has been around the league a long time, has been

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<v Speaker 2>with that team a long time and is the son

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<v Speaker 2>of Rick Adelman, a great coach himself. Like, I get

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<v Speaker 2>all that, but was David Adelman ready to be thrust

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<v Speaker 2>into this role with the playoffs on the horizon? Like

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<v Speaker 2>I just there was a lot of risk baked into that.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe they'd be in this place anyway right now

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<v Speaker 2>against the Clippers, because I think the Clippers are just

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<v Speaker 2>a better team. But it certainly doesn't help when you've

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<v Speaker 2>got a rookie head coach, you know, rookie interim head

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<v Speaker 2>Tron lou who's one of the best in the league.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want to ask you an NBA question and

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<v Speaker 3>then Awards question. Howard u one here in Utah, even

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<v Speaker 3>from the front office, but also from the fans, there's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of this hope that chaos happens around the NBA

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<v Speaker 3>and another superstar gets traded in, ideally a young superstar

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<v Speaker 3>to Utah.

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<v Speaker 3>So, whether that's Phoenix, Milwaukee, you can kind of go

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<v Speaker 3>down the list of teams that Jazz fans and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>Jazz management are hoping fail a little bit and move

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<v Speaker 3>on from their stars in the same way that the

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<v Speaker 3>Dallas Mavericks did with Luka Doncic incredibly unexpectedly. Do you

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<v Speaker 3>think that is a realistic or plausible dream for the

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<v Speaker 3>Jazz to have with their first round assets or do

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<v Speaker 3>you think it is the more advisable and realistic solution

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<v Speaker 3>to just build moroop the draft over the course of

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<v Speaker 2>The difficulty, as you guys know, is even if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to trade for a star, if that star is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, on a short deal where they've only got

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<v Speaker 2>a year or two left, they still have some leverage

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<v Speaker 2>because they can just you know, convey, hey, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to be traded. You know, it's time for me

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<v Speaker 2>to leave. You know, say Yannis wants to leave Milwaukee

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever it may be. But if you if you're

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<v Speaker 2>on a shorter contract, you can also then convey where

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to go, and you can dissuade teams

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<v Speaker 2>from trading for you because by just saying I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to resign, I'm not going to sign an extension

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<v Speaker 2>or I'm not going to resign on a free agency

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, Utah has not generally been a destination,

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<v Speaker 2>so I might my temp I'm tempted to just say

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<v Speaker 2>that that the only way they're going to build again

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<v Speaker 2>is through the draft, and and the drafts smartly. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>over the cult course of multiple years, that's probably the move,

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<v Speaker 2>But you never know. The other problem the short term

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<v Speaker 2>here is so let's say the Bucks, you know, continue

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<v Speaker 2>this crash and burn that appears is happening, and let's

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<v Speaker 2>say Yannis does that ask out. You know, the whole

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<v Speaker 2>league is going to be coming for him, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it's now it's a matter of what's the best deal

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<v Speaker 2>Milwaukee can get for itself first and foremost, but somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>in there is also going to be where does Giannis

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<v Speaker 2>want to be and will he resign after him. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe the Grizzlies will trade Ja Morant or something,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know that that's the move that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to turn around the Jazz or anybody else. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how many teams think that they can tie their

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<v Speaker 2>future to Jamrant or maybe LaMelo Ball, same caveats, different

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<v Speaker 2>different issues, but like, I'm not sure who else is

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<v Speaker 1>We'll catch up with him next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>He drives the drive. He joins the Drive each and

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<v Speaker 1>every week and be a daily assist today