Speaker 1: It's an emergency broadcast, yes, and we're delighted by the way.
If you're new here, welcome to the Chicks on the
Right podcast. We have with us Jennifer Say, who is
the CEO and founder of xx x Y Athletics, who's
obviously very very excited about the Supreme Court ruling that
just came down about an hour ago, and so we're
going to be talking about that with her live, and
she has released a couple of videos. If you don't
follow her on Twitter, make sure that you are. Jennifer
Say is her handle on Twitter, and she put this
video out right when the ruling came.
Speaker 2: In words that changed everything. No person in the United
States show on the basis of sex be excluded from
participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected
to discrimination under any education program.
Speaker 1: Or activity receiving federal financial assistance.
Speaker 2: Title nine is Mine. Title nine, Title nine is mine
is mine.
Speaker 3: Grateful love, Welcome Jen.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be here with you guys as
the first discussion of the day and give you my
non loyally interpretation.
Speaker 3: Of what just happened. We love it. That's great, we
love it.
Speaker 2: We love non lawyers.
Speaker 3: We love that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, there's some aults.
Speaker 4: And it's apropos It happened on the last day of
Pride month, I mean a little.
Speaker 3: Bit right, so true.
Speaker 2: I'm sort of hoping for June twenty third, which was
the anniversary of Title nine. I was like waiting, but
we didn't get it that day. But we did get
it today. Yes, ma'am. For those who don't, should I
sort of describe it from the children, Yeah, go for it. Okay.
So there were two cases that were bundled together, which
are basically the same case. Okay. There were two males
in due states who challenged laws in those states, Idaho
and West Virginia. Those states have laws protecting women's sports.
One of the challengers is a miner who'd been on
puberty blockers. The other was an adult male the Idaho guide.
So they challenged these states as violations of Title nine
Equal Protection clause. We got the decision today. They were
bundled together. Basically, the net net is the laws are constitutional,
so the twenty seven states that have laws in the
books protecting women's sports can keep those laws, but the
twenty three states that don't have them don't have to
do anything. They can just keep doing what they're doing.
So I view this as we held the line and
we still have work to do right we want, but
we are not done because twenty three states, California, Colorado,
where I lie, May, all these places, you're still going
to see boys on the podium, stealing roster spots, et cetera,
and so onward.
Speaker 1: And then question, because I know you're not a lawyer,
None of us are lawyers, but if you are any
parent in one of those states and you have a kid,
a daughter who's in sports and you're pissed off because
that state is letting boys in, can't every single one
of those cases go to the Supreme Court? And then
I mean, if if they did, don't they know there's
an automatic win.
Speaker 2: There's moren't got it not necessarily because it determined that
the laws were constitutional. So I don't know what the
next steps will be. You guys are going to have
to have a lawyer on But I would say so
for instance, I live in Colorado. We let boys compete
in girls sports here. But I was just the chairperson
for a ballot initiative to get legislation on the books
in Colorado. So we had to get enough signatures to
get on the ballot in November. We got enough signatures.
We beat it by more than twenty five percent in
deep blue Colorado. What this means now is if the voters,
if and when the voters decide in November, the state
can't overturn that legislation is unconstitutional. It's already been upheld
as constitutional. So now we just need to win the vote. So,
if you live in one of the other twenty and
one of the twenty three states, it doesn't have a law.
You need to get a ballot initiative.
Speaker 4: This is the thing I think. If that says nationally right, well.
Speaker 2: The other thing that's crazy. So I was an internationally
competitive gymnast. Here's the thing. This doesn't work piecemealed state
by state. If you are a high level, very competitive athlete,
you're competing across state.
Speaker 3: Line, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I compete to get across state lines
the first time when I was eight, yeah, eight years old. Yeah,
So how does that even work? Yeah? Well it's a
wait to we curse on this show? Right, it's a
good ship show again, Yeah, it's a shit show. Because
if you're good, let's just say you're a really good
soccer player and you're nine, and you go to a
semi national competition and you compete for Tennessee, but you
go up against California. California could have a boy on
the team exactly. So what do you do then, So
this doesn't work as pushing it to the states. We
need national legislation. But my view is, and what I'm
trying to do, is we have to change the cultural
conversation so that it is utterly unacceptable for any team
to field a boy.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: And so you talk about the cultural conversation, there are
going to be feminists out there.
Speaker 3: Today who are like, oh, this is such a blow.
Speaker 4: I can't believe you're supposed to be a feminist. Like,
what do you say to those women who think that,
you know, the ruling today is awful, it's awful.
Speaker 3: It's terrible to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're brainwashed. I don't know what is wrong with you,
but you're brainwashed. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it is amazing that women actually are like,
of course we should have boys in sports, And just blows.
Speaker 3: My mind that the street it's nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot blowing my mind. At the moment.
You could we could we could. I'm going to refrain
from going beyond this subject, but I could. Yeah. I mean,
the mainstream feminist position is trans women are women. That's
that's the position of the Democrat Party. That's the mainstream position.
I will say, I have to give credit to my
you know, radical feminist partners and comrades and arms. They've
been fighting this for a long time. So super far
left feminists, the ones who still understand that men are different.
If you let men into women's sports and spaces, you
no longer have sex base rights. They've been here and
I want to give them credit, people like Kardanski, But
the mainstream feminist position is hogwash and removes women's rights entirely.
The thing is, though, you guys, eighty percent of Americans
agree with us, Yeah, totally, and we're they're being bullied
into saying these ridiculous things. And so that's why even
in deep blue Colorado, we got twenty five percent more
signatures than we needed to get this on the ballot,
because when people are anonymous, they do the right thing,
but they're afraid of the backlash. I mean, these activists
in this area are cruel and violent and brutal and
people are afraid. They're still afraid to do the right thing.
I mean, you're here. I'll cite one example. Not a
single star female athlete like Olympic pro has vociferously stood
in defense of women's sports. Not one. That's madness to me.
Speaker 1: And it's so weak minded, and it's to be so
afraid of being called phobic or whatever it is that
they're afraid of that.
Speaker 2: It's just so weak.
Speaker 3: Sauce, you know it is.
Speaker 2: And that's not to say I mean, Martina Navrachilova has
been outstanding, but I'm talking about competing right now, full
road to defense of you know, our sports are for us,
not one because they're afraid of being called names. They're
also afraid of losing endorsements.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4: I was just going to say, they're probably afraid of
losing endorsements and money.
Speaker 3: That's they're afraid of that.
Speaker 4: But there are some like you know, the Rapinos of
the world, who have done really well in her sport,
and then when she's out, she.
Speaker 3: Pulls the latter up.
Speaker 4: So she's screw these other girls, screw these other women
I've done Okay, So that's how I feel about her.
Speaker 2: I feel but I think she's one that's a true believer,
though I like, I think with her it's I don't know,
it's like just a sense that I have some sure
are ten percent that are just true leavers and they
really believe this is the right thing. And then everyone
else is either silent or going along because you know,
that's what the crowd is doing. But I think her
connection to because she's a lesbian, I think her connection
to that community she feels obligated to, you know, assent
with their their views or their platform because there's a
lot of normal gays out there who think totally.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 1: Well, And it's interesting because it's it's amazing to actually
consider that. Like, if you look at Justice Clarence Thomas's
position on this, I read it. There's just this one
line that I wanted to share where it said men
and boys with gender dysphoria are not women or girls,
even if they believe they are. And I'm like, how
is it possible that we even have to say that?
Speaker 2: Right? You know what?
Speaker 3: I like, what is what is our world?
Speaker 1: But this has to be said at the Supreme Court level?
Speaker 2: Yep, that's crazy? What is our world? That we're arguing
whether or not. Title nine was meant to protect women,
like in nineteen seventy two they even had this idea
of what gender identity was. I mean, it's so stupid
on its face. In credit to the justices, it was.
So the decision was confusing because it was nine to three.
So all nine justices said the laws do not violate
Title nine. So that's good. That's a when they were
split on equal protection though they were six three on
equal protection. And that's where the three women sold women out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which they always do.
Speaker 1: And you guys, Mark Brown Jackson, she I'm sorry, but
she is a total retard, like completely unqualified.
Speaker 2: Said I don't said it, I have no problem saying it.
Speaker 1: But look at part of her what a highlighted part
of this descent. A transgender woman penalized for being perceived
as aggressive has experienced discrimination on the basis of sex
just as much as a such gender woman has. No
matter that the transgender woman's behavior matches expectations of her
sex assigned at birth, this woman is a disgrace to
justices and to women.
Speaker 2: Okay, what is the whole idea that there's expectations of
behavior based on your sex? Is so retrograde. Do you
know what I'm saying. I mean, we've been writing as
women for years. I can be ambitious, I can be aggressive.
I'm still a woman. I'm breadwinner in my family. Am
I a man? Am I'm a dad? No, it's retarded
to use your word, and still very much a woman.
And so the Left has fallen into this trap of
touting these very retrograde gender stereotypes. And by the way,
the person that Jackson is describing is being called out
for being a man, not for being aggressive. There's plenty
of women that are aggressive on the field. What right
you have to be an elite athlete you have to
be aggressive? Yes, I mean my nine year old daughter
runs boys over on the soccer field. She's still a girl.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: No, one's questioning that. We're just saying the boys have
to play in boys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: That's it's not complicated, and it's not when you it's
nuts when you see a Supreme Court justice have to
write you know, just because you think you're a boy
doesn't mean you're a boy like I. The common sense
thing is, I it's every day, it's every day. There's
just like just craziness and non common sense. It's just
rampant in this country and abroad. I mean, other people,
you know, in the everywhere in the world think that
this is okay for a male to be in a
woman's locker room.
Speaker 1: It's it's getting better, right, Like that's starting to get
not as insane as it was.
Speaker 2: Basically, all the states that allow boys to compete in
girls' sports, those states, the sort of rule of law
is the gender identity trump sex. So those males and
be in locker rooms, bathrooms, prisons, battered women's shelters. I mean,
we're so not done with this, with this fight yet.
And I believe in the twenty three states, even though
the vast majority of voters probably do agree with us,
the governors are just so captured and ideological that they're
going to double down.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: More boys than gas for right.
Speaker 4: And you notice how it's always on our side, Like
you don't see a lot of women going I am
fighting to be in this man's sport, like I really
want to play Major League baseball, you know, like you
just don't see it.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 4: So there's such an imbalance there that anybody who has
a shred of common sense or just a working brain
cell understands that this is a one It's such a
one sided issue.
Speaker 2: It really is. I mean, to your point, they're actually
in the Olympics this last time, there was a woman
claiming to be a man who competed in women's boxing.
There was a women competing claiming to be non binary
competing in women's some track event.
Speaker 3: But was it a dude or was that a one?
Speaker 2: The women always choose, no matter what they declare themselves
to be, they compete in women so and yet the
press hails it as this like triumph of transgender blah.
It's just women competing in women's. Basically, everyone can compete
in women's, right, The men think they're women, the women
who think they're women, the women, the women who are women,
the women who think they're non binary, the women who
think they're men. Everybody wants to compete in women's. Women's
is like this free for all, right now, right, it
totally is just but just going men. But the women
don't believe their men don't want to compete in men's
because they won't qualify exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing, Like I would love I think
all of this would be salt listen, we don't care
what you do in your personal life. We've always said that,
I don't care what these people do. I don't care
if you're transgender, but you're junk is, you're junk. And
if you got the junk and you're supposed to be
on the men's team, go dress up, put makeup on.
Speaker 3: We don't care.
Speaker 4: Just we don't compete with your gender. Compete with the
one that you were assigned to at birth. Compete with them,
and then this wouldn't be an issue. And I think
all of those they.
Speaker 2: Want to cheat. They just want to cheat. None of
them would make it in mens none exactly like Aby Hernandez.
You know, the boy who won state and two events
and I think placed in a third all the jumping events.
His leaps, his heights and distances, they don't qualify him
for state in men's. He doesn't make it right.
Speaker 3: It's cheating.
Speaker 1: So it's so obvious what they're doing, and it's it's
I'm so glad for the small win. It's not a
full win, and there's lots of work to do. Like
you said, what's this other video that you posted. We've
got it, but we haven't watched it. Yet so give
us a preview.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's AI. It says it's AI, but we're
having fun with AI lately. I don't know where you
guys stand on that. I kind of do. But for
a small business and brand like us, it's been a
great way for us to respond in real time to issues.
So we made this one. It's basically featuring governors in
some of the twenty three states that are going to
just keep letting boys compete in girls sports. It's sort
of imagining what their response might be. You'll think, it's
okay here it.
Speaker 6: Is Supreme Court rule. Congrats you won, but not in
my state, because we're still not going to.
Speaker 2: Protect women's sports.
Speaker 6: Not in New Jersey, not in Maine, definitely not in
New York. The Supreme Court ruling doesn't change Jack Squat
for Illinois, girls will continue to have to compete against
boys and.
Speaker 3: Be shamed if they say one word about it.
Speaker 6: We'll still be letting boys win girls softball championships. We're
going to keep putting males feelings before girls. In New Jersey.
I'll say it's unfair, but keep making girls share their
first place podiums. Good thinking, Gavin anything for the boys,
So yeah, you won, We're going twenty three states.
Speaker 2: Our lovely states.
Speaker 6: Girls actually didn't win because the ruling didn't require.
Speaker 4: Every state to protect women's sports, just the ones who want.
Speaker 6: To, and we just don't want to.
Speaker 3: I mean, they would.
Speaker 1: Absolutely say those things like that barely needed.
Speaker 4: To be AI And then at the same time they'll
turn around and go, we're the party of women.
Speaker 2: Women abortion basically totally, that's the only thing, as if
that's the only thing we care about exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, there's another stereotype of the things that we
must be concerned with, right, and it's.
Speaker 2: Also them telling us what we have to care about,
what we need to think and not start of listening
to people and common sense. Anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 1: So there were obviously some other rulings that came down
today and for our regular listeners will be deep diving
into those on our regular time show tomorrow morning. But
in case people haven't heard, the campaign finance shook out
such that parties can spend as much as they want
to on their candidates, which I they said it was
a First Amendment thing, which is weird because I don't
like people individuals. We can't contribute to candidates as much
as we want, we have limits, and yet the parties don't.
And so I've got to dig into that a little
bit more before I completely understand it. And then we
did lose on the birthright citizenship, which I think most
people which was still a bummer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was expected. It's still totally I.
Speaker 4: Mean I held out a little bit of hope, just
a little bit.
Speaker 2: What was the I didn't look because I was so
busy reading what was the ruling the birth rate was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they think it was Roberts and and Amy Coney
Barrett that that that voted.
Speaker 2: Along with the liberal justices.
Speaker 3: Totally surprising.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think this is what we thought would happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: I just I don't know.
Speaker 4: There's there's a lot of like yesterday we had a blow.
Speaker 3: Today we had a.
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I'm holding on to this no transgenders
in women's sports. I know there's twenty three states that
are going to be like, we're going to do what
we want. But at this end, you would and you
look at the mainstream media and they're at there in
full fledged Oh my god, this is a blow. LGBTQ community.
That's what they're like, that's what I was going to NBC.
NBC had a headline that said, delivering another major blow
to LGBTQ rights, the Supreme Court upheld state laws that
banned transgender athletes from participating in women's sports. And so
they're they're painting it as it's just mean to that community.
Speaker 3: It's just mean, Jen, Well, that's what it.
Speaker 2: Always comes down to. Why are you being so feelings?
I did a debate about a year ago here in
Colorado and the subject at Boulder you see Boulder, Colorado.
And the guy came in and first of all, his
like first attack was you're a Christo fascist, white nationalist,
and I said, well, I'm actually a Jewish atheist, so
let's move on from there. Worst the first thing was,
you know, to attack, of course, not nothing wrong with
being a Christian. I mean, there's something wrong with being
a fascist, but not a Christian, right. And then when
I forced him to engage on the actual issue, he
sort of ended up agreeing with me on almost everything
and resorted to, well, it's just me and that's all
they've got it feeling the fields, And my point is,
what about the girls? Why doesn't it matter that it's
mean to the girls to take their opportunities in privacy away.
What about the girls? And that's you know. At xxx Y,
all we try to do is put the attention back
on the girls because somehow we've forgotten about them. They
deserve fairness. And those boys are not being banned from competition,
as some of the headlines will undoubtedly say today, they
are being banned from girls and women's competition. And we
have all sorts of rules constraining competition. There are categories,
there are weight classes and age classes, and yes there
are sex classes and competition to make it fair. So
go over there and compete with the boys with your
bows and your hair and your lipstick on.
Speaker 4: No one nobody gets a ship like go to that.
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree.
Speaker 4: I hope that you will continue the fight and that
you know we we will go and try to make
this a federal thing, because I just I cannot understand
why it is not, But I just I and I
know that you guys are going to put the work
in and do what you've been doing for the past
several years.
Speaker 3: When you founded XXXY. This is why you did it, and.
Speaker 4: I know you faced a lot of crap man we're
I don't like this sounds, so what's the condescending And
I don't mean it to sound condescending, But I'm just
so proud of what you've done, you know, because.
Speaker 3: I have a girl.
Speaker 4: I have a girl that's we have athletes that are
in our family that are girls, and it affects them,
and when it affects you and it affects your girl,
and how hard they work, I'm just so glad that
we have people like you that are working to to
fight this insanity.
Speaker 3: You know, it is.
Speaker 2: Craziness, and unfortunately we lost the culture and all this
shit got smuggled in through the culture. That's why you
have to say no on the most basic level to
all of it, to pronouns all of it, because you
concede the point and people think you're just being mean
that a trans woman is a woman and you have
to call her sheet. How can you say that woman
can't come in our private spaces and our sports you
said she's a woman. You've lost the battle and we
have to arrest the culture back with the force it
was taken from us. I just want to make it
cool to be totally normal and say men can't become women.
That's it.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 2: It's like, that's my whole like mission with the brand
is to make it cool to be normal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that you have you said you
had a nine year old girl. I think that that
this next generation coming up, I think I hope they're
going to be more normal.
Speaker 3: They're going to be like the gen xers. You know.
Speaker 4: This is what my hope is, that they won't buy
any a lot of this crap.
Speaker 2: I think the alphas. I'm worried about disease or the Yeah.
I mean, I look at it's Democratic Socialists. It's like
a Z movement, you know. But I don't have to
talk about that. Now.
Speaker 3: That's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1: See, Yeah, that is a whole other thing. Well, we're
so so so excited that you chose us to talk
with about this first, and we were glad to do
it live and to get your initial reaction to something
that just happened an hour ago.
Speaker 2: That was super fun. So thank you. It's so nice
with you to have me and thank you guys for
being so relentless on this issue and so many others.
Speaker 4: Always and tell everybody where they can get stuff, where
they can learn about sxxy te.
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don't know if it's up yet, but we're releasing a
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Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Love that is awesome.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks you, welcome back obviously anytime.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Lovely to see you, ladies, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Good to see you bad