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My guest today is Daniel Surr with Hughes and Sir,

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the law firm representing Columbia University students and graduates, suing

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the students activist and unions that they claim organized and

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backed anti Israel in camps, forcing the university campus to

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shut down at the end of the twenty twenty four

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spring semester. We all remember those images playing out of

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pandemonium on college campuses across the country. The class action

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lawsuit also names notorious Congressional Squad members Democrat reps Alexandria

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Cazio Cortes New York, Jamal Bowman also of New York,

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and Ilhan Omar of Minnesota as defendants. It alleges the

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Columbia students were subject to bullying and harassment, refused access

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to in person classes and campus facilities, as well as

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denied a commencement which was canceled because of the violent

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protest on campus. Daniel, thank you so much for joining

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us on the Federalist Radio Hour.

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Speaker 2: Great to be here, Matt, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: This is I think an extremely important lawsuit because it

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gets at what we saw or so long happening in

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this country, not just on the campus of Columbia, although

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this is directly aimed at Columbia. This is indeed a

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class action lawsuit, but it is not, as I understand it,

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a lawsuit filed against the university itself.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Matt. What's so important here is putting

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accountability where it should start. Universities have their own legal

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obligations under state and federal law to ensure that students

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have a safe and discrimination free campus, and they're all

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students are entitled to that, and universities need to follow

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through on that. But we didn't sue Columbia here. We

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sued the people who actually created the unsafe environment, the discrimination,

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hate filled environment in the first place, and that starts

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with students for justice in Palestine and the other student

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group that chose to sponsor and continue trespassing with these

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illegal encampments on Columbia's campus.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that Columbia is not here though,

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because you have all of these groups. Of course, as

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you mentioned, as the allegation states, they are driving these protests.

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But can you not make the argument that Columbia, the

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university itself, accepted this environment, an environment that it should

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have could have closed down much earlier.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a fair point, Matt. One of

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the real problems in these circumstances is that the universities

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owe a duty to all of their students to provide

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an education and to provide a safe campus. And here

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we had a Columba I think, you know, in the

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midst of the pandemonium great word choice earlier, where they

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could have deployed. In fact, they did deploy police resources

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at the very beginning of the encampment, and then they

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chose to instead try to appease the students when the

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encampment went back up by negotiating with them, by playing

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foot see with them over divestment for the endowment, and

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they didn't really again draw a hard line and put

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an end to the illegal behavior until the students violently

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seized a building, held hostage a number of janitors. That

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was finally the event that triggered Columbia taking action.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for those who think that these protests were simply

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just a matter of free expression, and let's face it,

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have been an attorney for a long time dealing with

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First Amendment rights and free expressions, so you know you

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are fully versed in those laws and in particularly the

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significance and importance of those laws. But this was beyond

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the by any measurement, any reasonable measurement, with the domains

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of free speech, the exercise thereof. I mean, let me

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let me take you back, just in case you've forgotten

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As a spring turned very violent on these college campuses,

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particularly Columbia. This from Fox News. Campus protesters scream chants

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such as death to Israel, death to America, death to Jews, Hamas,

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we love you, we support your rockets too, Israel, go

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to Hell, and the seventh of October is coming to

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be every day for you. According to the lawsuit, two

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Jewish Columbia students were reportedly called Nazi Nazis and other words,

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and this is a family program, we'll keep it that way.

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And Jewish students were punched. Govved spat at physically blocked

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for moving freely throughout campus by participants in the encampment.

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The suit claims, So, Daniel, this goes well beyond the speech.

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I mean, you could make an argument that the death

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to America, death the Jews, Hamas, we love you, we

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support your rockets too, is extremely inflammatory. But it's the

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physical violence that took place, captured and seen by millions

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across this country and the world. I think that's really

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at issue here, is it?

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Speaker 3: Dot, It's several things, Matt. So for starters, you're absolutely right.

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The First Amendment includes a right to protest. It doesn't

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include a right to assault other people. It doesn't include

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a right to attack other students or law enforcement. Doesn't

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include a right to block public spaces. So that's number one.

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and manner restrictions. Right the government can say you can

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have a rally in a park and you need a

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permit for that rally, and you can use a bullhorn

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at that rally, but you can't use the bullhorn after

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Speaker 2: And the reason for that is.

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Speaker 3: Because we need to respect not only your First Amendment rights,

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but also the rights of the rest of the community,

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which include not having rallies on your front lawn rather

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than in the park, or not having rallies using a

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bullhorn at two in the morning when you're going to

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wake everybody up, right, reasonable time, place and manner restrictions.

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So the students at Columbia here, if they had just

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asked for a permit to hold a rally and have

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a student organization event, they could have.

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Speaker 2: That's not what they did.

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Speaker 4: They set up tents, they stayed for weeks, and when

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they were told over and over again by both university administrators,

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public safety, and police that they had gone beyond what

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they were permitted and that they were illegally trespassing and

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they were prohibiting other students from also having their rights respected,

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their attitude.

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Speaker 3: Was screw you, We're going to stay until you give

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us what you want. That it was total disregard for

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any of the basic principles of appropriate free speech.

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Speaker 1: There are five plaintiffs in this lawsuit at present am

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I correct?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So five of them are these Jewish students on campus.

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Speaker 2: They are.

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Speaker 3: So this lawsuit I think is really on behalf of

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every student at Columbia, because every student had their spring

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semester ruined by what happened here. You know, every student

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at Columbia was denied two weeks of the education that

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they paid for. Every student in Columbia was denied access

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to the gym that they paid a fee for. Every

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student was denied access to the cafeteria that they had

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brought meals at. Right, So every student was impacted, but

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obviously in a particular way. These Jewish students were not

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only affected by the closure of campus, but were also

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emotionally affected and their safety was affected by the virulent harassment.

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And I think it's that, you know, you read the quotes, Matt,

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I think the right word is hate speech that was

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being hurled at them by these people who should be

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their classmates, but certainly weren't acting like it.

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned. You know, these students, their parents, whoever

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paying for this education, and it was absolutely taken away

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from them. And not only that, were there not students

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that had to fle the campus because they felt that

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they were in danger of more violent attacks.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely right, Matt, so in fact, the rabbi of

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the on campus Hillel, the campus ministry program for Jewish students,

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encouraged students to leave, saying he no longer felt confident

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that Colombia was able to provide a safe environment for

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Jewish students. And so you have all these families, these parents,

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these students who have paid not just good money, but

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let's be honest, it's Colombia, lots.

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Speaker 1: Of good money, oh yes, with.

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Speaker 3: An expectation of an education, and they're forced to flee

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campus because of the dangerous, unsafe environment that had been

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created by these radical agitators. And as a result, they

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didn't get what they paid for. And all we're asking

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for is compensation from the people who broke law. We're saying,

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if you're going to harm other people when you break

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the law, you should make them whole for the damage

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that you caused. That's a pretty basic principle of American law.

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Speaker 1: And you know, these students also, as you noted and

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the lawsuit notes, lost their commenments, commencement ceremony. Now that's

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an experience, of course that I shouldn't say every student,

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but many students dream of in their long course to achieving,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: A graduate certificate.

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Speaker 1: They were denied that, and you don't get those moments back.

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I think about the kids who graduated from high school

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or college in you know, twenty twenty. They were denied

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the same experience. But that had a lot to do,

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of course, with a pandemic. It also had much to

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do with overreaching bureaucrats who shut everything down at that time.

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And we've hopefully learned some valuable lessons since. But these

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are students at Columbus that lost this lifetime moment because

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of what clearly was riotous protest on campus.

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Speaker 3: You think back on life, and there are so few

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of these truly mountaintop highlight moments.

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Speaker 2: Your wedding day, your kids' wedding days.

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Speaker 3: The day that you hold your child the first time

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at the hospital, and the day that you graduate from college. Right,

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there's a reason that grandparents fly in, that your whole

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family shows up, that your parents take you out to

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a massive state dinner. It's because it's a lifetime achievement

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moment encapsulated in that day. And so for Columbia to

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cancel that because they couldn't guarantee the safety of students,

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because these riotous protesters had created such an unsafe environment.

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You know, that's a loss for all of these graduates

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and they deserve to be compensated for it.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: The difference of the pandemic is you can't sue COVID.

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You knew who the bad guy was, but it's not

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like you can sue a virus. Here, we know why

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graduation was canceled. It was because these on and off

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campus agitators collaborated to create a dangerous environment that forced cancelation,

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and they can be sued, They can be held accountable,

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and that's all we're asking for in this lawsuit is

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hold accountable the people who created this dangerous environment with

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their illegal activity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think of that environment based on you know,

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the lawsuit. As it spells out the experiences of these

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five plaintiffs, you wouldn't want your grandparents flying in for

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for this the state of you know what Columbia was undergoing,

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and let's face it, their Jewish grandparents would not feel

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very safe on this campus during these very violent protests.

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All right, let's take a look at the defendants involved.

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You had mentioned a couple of them, and they are

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the if you will, the usual suspects. Who are some

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of them? Anyway? All over these college protests in the

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spring of this year on campuses from New York to California.

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But who are we looking at in terms of the

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defendants in this case?

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Speaker 3: I meant these events really spring from an ecosystem. That

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at least they didn't stay that way.

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Speaker 2: It was really an ecosystem.

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Speaker 3: It obviously starts with the students Students for Justice in

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Palestine in particular, but it extends to their enablers on

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the faculty. You'll remember the green vest photos of faculty

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members wearing green vests, ringing the encampment or wearing their

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academic regalia. Right, they didn't have a commencement to wear

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it too, so they got it out to ring the

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protest to stop law enforcement from going in and cleaning

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out the trespassers.

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Speaker 2: So the faculty enabled this.

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Speaker 3: So we sued both the adjunct faculty union and the

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full time faculty union, who public documents and news reporting

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show were integral in organizing the picket lines that protected

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the encampment. And then they're the off campus professional left

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wing agitators who are some within the Palestinian activist organizations,

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in Palestine, and some more just general you know, left

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wing community organizing groups like the People's Forum in New York.

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But who provided the training, the support, and really the

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encouragement and incitement to these students to kind of all

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collaborate on this witch is brew of illegal behavior that

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turned into.

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Speaker 2: You know, a riot at the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: I know that there has been reporting on the funding

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structure that's involved in in some of these groups. I'm

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curious if any of these organizations have been tied to

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individuals or organizations on the terrorist watch groups as well.

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Speaker 3: Great question, Matt, So I think we're going to learn

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a lot over the course of this case about exactly

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how the money flows, because once again, these were not spontaneous,

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organic student acts. They were funded, they were structured, they

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were trained, they had national media support that was being

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pushed by these advocacy groups, and all of that takes money,

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and we are going to, i think see a lot

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of that transparency come out hopefully. I'll also note there's

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a separate case brought by another set of lawyers in

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the Eastern District of Virginia against American Muslims in Palestine

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for what those plaintiffs were all family members of victims

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of the October seventh hostage taking or murder taking event

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that their complaint alleges that they are very direct ties

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between the terrorist organizations abroad and the American advocacy groups

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that are often linked with a lot of this activity.

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Speaker 1: Interesting because we know that Hamas, which is the terrorist

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organization designated as such by our own State Department, is

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the violent terrorist organization that these many of these protesters

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are ultimately supporting when they're screaming from the River to

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the Sea Palace, Steine will be free, and all of

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these sort of catchphrases that we've seen, we know the

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context of this, at the core of Israel's war right

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now against terrorism and the most brutal terrorist acts we've

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seen since the Holocaust World War Two, all of that

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is important in this lawsuit, I think in the context

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therein We're going to delve a little bit more into

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that in just a moment. I guess today is Daniel

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SIRR with Hughes and Sir, the law firm representing Columbia

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University students and graduates, suing the students activist and unions

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they claim organized and back anti Israel encampments forcing the

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university campus to shut down and the twenty twenty four

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spring semester. Some of the individuals in the group, though, Daniel,

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are if I'm correct in this, if I remember in

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reading the lawsuit student union groups and faculty union groups

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as well.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Matt. So one of the ironies in all

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of this.

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Speaker 3: Is the United Auto Workers is one of the defendants,

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and you'd be like, Wow, what is the UAW doing

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as a defendant in a case like this, And the

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answer is that actually a significant chunk of the uaw's membership,

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like a quarter to a third or more of uaw's membership,

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these days is found on college campuses. In fact, a

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bunch of employees at Cornell University just went on strike

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this week through their UAW local. So UAW has a

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significant presence on college campuses. It represents the adjunct faculty,

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the so called student workers, the graduate students, the adjunct professors.

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At Columbia, the vice president of that organization was arrested

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by the police and the course of these protests for

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his illegal behavior, the union was very active in organizing

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students to both participate, graduate students to participate in the

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encampment and adjunct faculty to protect the encampment, to participate

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in a picket line around the encampment. And we saw

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the same thing from the American Association of University Professors AAUP,

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the union for the full time faculty, similarly organizing a

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rally and I think facilitating some of the green vest behavior.

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These unions were very much on the front lines of

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enabling what happened with the encampment, and the national UAW

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is named as a defendant because they came in alongside

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their local and supported them, provided them with encouragement, and

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I think incited them to continue their illegal behavior. And

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when a union ratify eyes the illegal behavior of its local,

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it also becomes liable for that. So both the UAW

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National and these two particular unions are all among the

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defendants because they were all integral in supporting and inciting

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the illegal behavior happening inside the encampment.

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Speaker 1: And I ask you a question that I think is

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a logical question that our readers and our listeners would ask,

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and that is, what the hell does the UAW a

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union that is traditionally known as a representative group of

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auto workers, it's in the name, the people who assemble vehicles,

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cars and trucks and vans across this country, what on

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earth do they have to do with Columbia faculty, university

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faculty in general. I think you kind of touched upon it,

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But I think we find this baffling to begin with.

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Speaker 3: It is baffling until you see it in context. So

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it used to be the case that unions, I think

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you're right, represented individual industries. But then as private sector,

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especially private sector union membership declined, there was a cannibalization.

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Right that the union started fighting with each other over

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an increasingly shrinking pie of union members and started crossing

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over industries. Right, I've sued the Teamsters for representing government

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social workers. The American Federation of Teachers Randy Weingarten also

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represents nurses and other healthcare professionals and other government employees

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outside of the school setting. Right Like, there are all

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these weird amalgamations, and what is essentially reflects is that

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people choose their union these days not based on how

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what industry you're in, but on how aggressive, how virulent,

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how political the union is. And so the UAW has

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sort of staked out a position as being a very aggressive,

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having a tone that is very focused on solidarity and

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very aggressive. And so if you like that tone, if

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you want something that's going to be aggressive, well then

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your union leadership at the local level migrates toward UAW,

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whereas other unions that are much more closely aligned to

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just the traditional leadership of the Democratic Party are less

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aggressive in tone or less aggressive in tactics end up

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not having those members. And so it's less about what

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industry you're in and more about what approach you think

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is going to work. I think layered on top of

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all of that in the uaw's case is a real

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problem for Sean Fain, who's the president VAW. He's the

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new president. He came in on a platform of taking

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a more aggressive approach in negotiations with the Big three automakers.

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But he's got a lot of members, especially in Michigan,

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who come from or are connected to Arab American communities

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and who are really fired up about Gaza and who

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are really unhappy with the Biden administration's policy on Gaza,

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so much so that at the last EAW convention there

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was a major fight over whether or not UAW should

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endorse the Biden ticket at the time earlier this summer

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because so many UAW workers who come from Araba American

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communities and so many UAW members who come from academic

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university settings were unhappy with the Biden administration and wanted

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to withhold the endorsement over this issue.

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Speaker 2: So Sean has been.

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Speaker 3: In this really tough spot, and I think has been

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leaning into issues like Colombia in order to prove his

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street cred.

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Speaker 2: Well at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Getting the opportunity to go at the DNC and deliver

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a speech to the convention from the main stage.

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Speaker 1: I think that's really interesting context. And actually that was

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my follow up question you answered, it is how much

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of this is driven by membership in the Detroit area,

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which is increasingly, you know, members of the Islamic community,

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some of whom certainly are very much pro Hamas and

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very much very much anti Israel, many which anti Israel.

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We see that playing out in the election, of course,

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and I think this context is very important because none

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of this happens without October seven, twenty twenty three, and

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I don't want to lose sight of that at all.

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That's really where this lawsuit stems from, because you don't

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don't have any of this madness on our college campuses

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without the absolute lack of humanity exhibited by Hamas. On

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October seven, twenty twenty three, more than a thousand people

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destroyed summarily. And we're not just talking about murdered. We're

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talking about victims of rape, people who were tortured and burned, babies,

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the elderly. I don't want anybody to ever forget that fact.

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And so Israel launched a war against the terrorist group Hamas.

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And I put all of this in context because this

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is the question that so many of us have had

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for so long. Why did these colleges and universities like

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Columbia simply roll over to this radicalized protest movement. Do

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you think that really stems from a terrorist organization that

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is in control of Gaza that ends up defending this

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terrorist organization. Why did we have so many of our

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particularly our taxpayer funded colleges and universities, roll over to this.

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Speaker 2: I think the one word answer is faculty. Right.

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Speaker 3: The irony of all of this is that we had

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student protesters who were clearly engaging in illegal trespassing, student

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protesters who were clearly engaging in hate speech and harassment,

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in bullying, in things that the university would never tolerate otherwise.

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Right if this had been in a different politically sensitive context, Right,

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if we had had signs up about bearing the exact

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same message, but like saying death to the gay people,

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write something like a Westboro Baptist or kind of sign

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might have said.

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Speaker 1: Or hamas by the way, or hamas by the way,

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such signs.

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Speaker 2: Let's say, there's no way.

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Speaker 3: The university would have tolerated that kind of hate speech

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or bullying or harassment of classmates. Right, It's just this

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one particular type of hate speech that the university tolerates,

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And the reason is not because students are saying it.

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Students get cracked down on for saying inappropriate.

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Speaker 2: Things all the time.

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Speaker 3: It's that the faculty at Columbia at elsewhere are hardcore

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leftists who are enabling it, who are demanding that the

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university tolerate it, and university administrators whose general inclination otherwise

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is probably agreeing ideologically and in general to try to

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appease rather than draw a hard line, gets sucked into

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making mistakes when the obvious answer is just enforce the rules.

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Just to force the rules, enforce the rules for everybody

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the same. College Republicans can have a Trump rally on

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the lawn for two hours and then when they're permit expires,

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they leave.

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Speaker 2: The Goz of.

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Speaker 3: People can have a rally for two hours and when

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they're permit expires, they leave. But if College Republicans put

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up a tent encampment, you clean them out. If the

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Gods of people put up a tent encampment, you.

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Speaker 2: Clean them out.

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Speaker 3: Because there are rules, and we enforce the rules, because

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the rules ensure respect not just for your First Amendment rights,

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but for the rights of everybody else in the university

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community as well.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen so much lawlessness from the left over

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the last four years period exam myriad examples come to mind,

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but this obviously is the latest and two final questions

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for you on this front. What's the process like ahead

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you filed in I believe late July. This is coming

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to the four now filed in federal court in New York.

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Where does this go from here? And how are the

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plaintiffs doing these days after the experiences they've gone through.

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Speaker 3: So the process from here is it starts by actually

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serving the plan of the defendants. And one of our challenges, frankly, Matt,

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is that the defendants operate on a very shadowy basis.

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Are these networks of Palestinian advocacy organizations that don't play

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by the traditional rules of advocacy, and so one aspect

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of that is this lawlessness, this disrespect for the First Amendment.

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Another aspect of that is they don't incorporate, they don't

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have registered agents, they don't have offices. They exist on

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the internet, they exist in social media. There are definitely

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people and dollars behind these things, but they hide behind

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front groups and they don't have the traditional advocacy structures

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for people who play the advocacy game in the traditional way,

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and so that's going to be our first challenge, I

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think is just getting service on several of these defendants.

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I'm confident we will, but it's going to be, you know,

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bringing accountability, which is something that they've i think structured

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themselves to make difficult. Your second question, you're very kind

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to ask. I think what's on the plane Offf's mind?

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And you know, when I talk to these guys, is

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really the same question for every student. What's going to

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happen when we come back in a week or two.

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What's the fall semester going to look like. Are we

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going to see a resurgence in the same anti Semitic

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discriminatory behavior. Are we going to see the same hate speech?

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Are people going to be holding the protests? Again, we

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know from publicly available news reports that the pro Gaza

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protesters have not taken the summer off. They have been organizing,

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They've been holding zoom calls, they've been doing training events.

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They are very much planning and preparing for the return

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to school after Labor Day. And I think for my plaintiffs,

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and probably for a lot of Jewish students and just

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students in general, there's a deep concern about what are

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they going to return to and will the universities Columbia

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and others have learned their lesson and actually hold a

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firm line to ensure that every student returns to a safe,

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welcoming environment.

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Speaker 2: Are we going to see a repeat of the.

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Speaker 3: Chaos and the dangerous behavior and the illegal behavior and

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the destructive behavior and the vandalism. Is that all coming

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back for round two? And there's just no way to

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answer that question until we get through September and we see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we can all understand the concern, the

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trepidation by the five plaintiffs and really any student concerned

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about the rioting, the violence, the disorder, the pandemonium on

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these college campuses. Like I said, we'll see we're seeing

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a preview of that, of course at the Democratic National Convention.

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And stay tuned, I suppose on that front. Thanks to

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my guest today, Daniel Sir, with the law firm Hughes

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and Sir, you've been listening to another edition of the

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Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior correspondent at the Federalist.

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We'll be back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers

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of freedom and anxious for the frame earn the fame

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boys reason, and then away