WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:05.320 Golf Smarter number three hundred eighty eight, published on June eleven, 2 00:00:05.480 --> 00:00:06.400 twenty thirteen. 3 00:00:06.639 --> 00:00:11.679 Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 4 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:15.320 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 5 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:21.359 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets old. Our 6 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:26.239 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 7 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:29.839 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 8 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:32.240 I really don't think there's anything negative about endpoint is. 9 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:34.399 I don't think there's anything negative about vector. I just 10 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:36.840 find as a coach, as an instructor, I can get 11 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:39.200 the essentials of my experience of how to become more 12 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:42.679 efficient and more effective at performance through vector and that's 13 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:44.799 what appealed to me. After I went to the seminar, 14 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:47.000 I found wait a minute, and this started to ruminate 15 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:47.560 within me. 16 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:49.200 Like Okay, what did I experience here? 17 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:50.679 And then one day I was asked to give a 18 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:53.520 clinic and I go, how do I do this? And 19 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:55.799 that's what I came up with STAG, which was my 20 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:58.560 acronym for helping people get better at golf through my 21 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:02.719 clinic or through basic instructing. And the overview applies to everybody. 22 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:05.680 The actual application in certain areas will be more applicable 23 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:09.040 to others. Staggers is much about behavior and vector green reading, 24 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:11.560 but it's about different behaviors that are involved and becoming 25 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:15.040 sufficient the actual application of putting now practicing it also 26 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:18.000 works too because it gives you a behavioral background on 27 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:20.159 which too, how do I work on my putty on 28 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:22.680 a daily basis. 29 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:29.239 That putt was supposed to break to the left vector 30 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:30.519 putting with John Grunt. 31 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:35.879 This is Golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers 32 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:39.439 and golf professionals to help flower your score. It's worked 33 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:41.159 for your host, Fred Green. 34 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:43.640 Welcome back to the Golf Smarter Podcast. 35 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:46.640 John Oh, thanks Fred, good to be here, and thank you. 36 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:48.439 So much for coming into the studio to have this 37 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:50.599 conversation because it would have been just as easy to 38 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:54.120 go walking around on the golf course. But well not today, 39 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:56.760 because there's people out there playing okay, and we could 40 00:01:56.799 --> 00:01:59.079 probably maybe we'll do some video out there at some point. 41 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:01.159 That'd be great, some Golf Smarter. 42 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:03.200 Yeah, some video tips there. 43 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.879 But I wanted to bring you in and the reason 44 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.879 I asked you to come in today is because I 45 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:13.879 had mentioned recently that you had taken me aside and 46 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:17.159 given me some lessons on vector putting. And we had 47 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:21.639 done a lot recently about aimpoint putting. And when I 48 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:23.240 told you about that, you said, now I got to 49 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:24.159 show you this. I gotta show you this. 50 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:25.840 You got all excited about wanting to show me this. 51 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:29.960 So that's really where I want to talk about today, 52 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.280 is the putting. But there's so many other topics that 53 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:34.599 are so hot right now that I don't know if 54 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:36.319 I want to do this now or we'll get in 55 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:38.199 it later. But I think everyone's like, no, no, no, 56 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:39.439 I don't want to know about the news. 57 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:40.719 Well let's talk about putting. 58 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:42.240 So explain to me. 59 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:44.919 Is it called vector putting? 60 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:45.879 Is that how we can. 61 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:47.800 Refer to it and everyone would know what we're talking about? 62 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:52.680 Yes, okay. There was a kernel in the Air Force. 63 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:58.560 I believe his name is mister Templeton, Colonel Templeton, and 64 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:02.000 he was also a very very bright man, is often 65 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:03.800 the case for some of those gentlemen. He was one 66 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:08.439 of the early pioneers in Nassau flying I believe planes 67 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:13.919 at higher elevations at supersonic speeds, and was involved in 68 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:17.199 that process on many levels. Also an Avid golfer, and 69 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:22.520 upon retirement discovered, you know, people just you know, if 70 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:26.439 you look at the numbers, thirty two thirty six putts 71 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:29.520 is an acceptable amount and you're par seventy two. 72 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.680 Gosh, that's that's fifty percent of the game. 73 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:37.360 If we go by what you know is allowable in golf, 74 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:40.319 right and thirty six pots, et cetera, fourteen t shots. 75 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:43.280 And he thought people do this pretty badly. 76 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.680 Why And one of the things he thought was that 77 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:49.800 people just don't read greens very effectively. So he felt 78 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:54.680 that based on his mathematical background and probably trying to 79 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:57.639 figure out how a spaceship is going to go from 80 00:03:57.759 --> 00:03:59.639 one place to another and amount of time it's going 81 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:03.520 to take, a matter of friction involved all the things 82 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:07.680 that are involved in space travel and travel in general. 83 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:11.639 What about a golf ball traveling across the green? Couldn't 84 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:13.960 there be some mathematical equation to that? 85 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:18.399 And that's not very dissimilar to what aim point exactly. 86 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:24.680 Okay, Now, I don't know how this all pans out 87 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:27.399 in the world, but I think there's a lot of 88 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:32.879 similarities on the mathematical side. I can't speak for am point, 89 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:35.240 but my guessing is is There's probably a lot of 90 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:40.680 similarities on the science side of aim point and vector 91 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:46.120 green reading, and I think both are fine. The important 92 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:49.480 thing that I've learned as an instructor is to be functional, 93 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.480 and I want my students and the people that come 94 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:56.480 to me, and not only them, but myself because I try. 95 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:59.120 I'm usually my biggest guinea pig is. 96 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:03.360 What are the things that make us better? What are 97 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:07.000 the things that we're involved in? And both aim point 98 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:10.040 and vector green reading do this. The vector I found 99 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:17.480 was more functional in that it simplified things dramatically and 100 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:22.959 gave a clearer picture of application for the individual to 101 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:26.160 apply and move forward in his game and be involved 102 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:30.600 in some basic fundamental areas which all good putters are 103 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:33.319 when they're involved in the process of putting effectively. 104 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:38.000 You and I spent half hour right on a putting 105 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:40.040 green at best. I mean, you just wanted to show 106 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:42.199 it to me, and I was trying to absorb as 107 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:44.399 much as I possibly could. But I got to tell you, 108 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:46.720 the impact that it had on my next few rounds 109 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:50.160 was significant, right, And I don't want to just say 110 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.720 then I've forgotten. It's all done, and I'm still incorporating it. 111 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:57.399 Into every green I walk on. But I definitely saw 112 00:05:57.759 --> 00:05:59.720 huge improvement immediately. 113 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:01.240 I love to hear. Yeah. 114 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:03.319 I mean it's like, is it that simple? 115 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:04.800 You know? 116 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:07.600 Because if I got it, it's got to be simple. 117 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:08.199 You know. 118 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:12.199 Fred I, I always enjoy sitting talking with you, But 119 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:14.879 now that I'm in your layer, so to speak, in 120 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:18.040 your in your studio, I notice your vast book collection. 121 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:20.839 And I just sat down a book where a very 122 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:24.959 famous instructor said that Matt Kocher and five swings picked 123 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:27.000 up something and became the leading money when on the 124 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:31.519 PGA tour right after that took them five swings. So 125 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:38.000 sometimes things that are complicated that can be made simple 126 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:45.759 and attainable can be very effective and be life impacting 127 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:48.560 or game impacting in this point. 128 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:51.279 And so yeah, I mean I think. 129 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:55.160 I've tried to break it down in my way even 130 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:59.879 more functional because I'm more of a behaviorist. I'm a 131 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:02.720 believer that the vector putting was a simple The behavior 132 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:06.160 side of it was easier to apply while I was 133 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:08.879 playing golf, and and that's why I think you got 134 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:09.920 out of that thirty minutes. 135 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:12.600 Yeah, yeah, I think it helped you. 136 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.480 And I hope when I show people what I do 137 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.839 in a small clinic and or show them as an 138 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:21.800 aside in thirty minutes one on one or whatever. They 139 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:25.720 walk away and they have some similar profound experiences like 140 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.600 you did. I've fortunately, I've been a pretty good putter 141 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:31.000 most of my life. I say fortunate in that most 142 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:34.759 fortunate behavior is who was the There was a Raymond 143 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:38.199 Berry was a famous wide receiver. I think one of 144 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:44.680 his quotes was, when opportunity meets preparation, that's the true 145 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:48.959 definition of luck. So I say I'm I'm fortunate in 146 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.879 the fact that I worked really hard as a youngster 147 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:55.519 and throughout my golf career to spend more time on 148 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:57.199 the putting green, or a lot of time around the 149 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:00.079 green and the putting green. And so maybe my my 150 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:02.839 good fortune was a little bit of effort. 151 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:03.160 On my part. 152 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:07.560 And it's usually the case, you know, you have to 153 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:09.279 work pretty hard. But I started, I didn't know what 154 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:12.959 I was doing. I was fortunate to be around. I 155 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:15.800 thought that it was all about mechanics, but it was 156 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:18.319 a culmination of the people that I was associated with 157 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:20.759 in my life that were good players, and watching what 158 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:22.959 they do and sort of picking up on their behavior 159 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:28.360 and the things that they do were really important as 160 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:32.200 maybe as important as the mechanics, because really, and as 161 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:34.879 I showed you, mechanics are all about one simple fact. 162 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:37.919 And if you're doing that, then your mechanics are adequate. 163 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:40.440 I'm not going to say they're the best, but they're adequate, 164 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:41.519 which we'll talk about. 165 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:42.120 Here in a minute. 166 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:46.639 But if you're doing if you're performing a simple function 167 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:50.000 of geometry and physics, and we can see what happens 168 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:53.720 when the golf ball, then you're on the right track mechanically. 169 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.679 So I think mechanics can be a little overtaught when 170 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:59.840 it comes to putting, but what is undertaught is the 171 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:05.080 behavior that is involved in becoming very proficient at putting. 172 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:11.960 Now you really got me. 173 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.440 I want to I want to get into this behavior part. 174 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:15.879 What did you witness? What did you see? 175 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:18.759 Because you, you and I were we chatted for over 176 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:20.879 an hour before we started recording, and you were telling 177 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:23.440 me stories about when you were caddying as a kid 178 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:26.759 and you would count the posts on the on the 179 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:30.679 metal fence and you would know exactly what your distance 180 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:32.679 was based on where the ball was near that fence. 181 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:37.440 I mean, you were figuring things out early. But what 182 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.279 were the behavioral things that you were noticing that made impact. 183 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:46.279 Well, I noticed that that that's better. Putters practiced more, 184 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:53.480 and not necessarily at long a long time, but they 185 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:56.399 had a routine that they followed, so that. 186 00:09:56.399 --> 00:09:59.879 A practice routine or a practice preshot routine, a practice routine, 187 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:05.639 and so that they would usually practice before they played 188 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:07.600 on the putting green, and they'd spend a few minutes 189 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:09.120 after the round on the putting green. 190 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:13.519 Really yeah, yeah, Why why is that important? 191 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:16.519 Well? 192 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:20.240 I think that that at a certain level there is 193 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.759 a mind body connection to what you're trying to do. 194 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:25.799 And we realize that all putting services aren't the same, 195 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:27.639 and so there's a cult. 196 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:28.840 There's a variety of reasons. 197 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.120 Like when I played professionally overseas or when I was 198 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:35.639 playing on tour, that was a common behavior among the 199 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:37.000 guys that were scoring lower. 200 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.320 I go, oh, okay, that's what I've always done. 201 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:43.240 But why you know, and well, you know, one of 202 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:45.240 the things is we would I when I always say 203 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:47.440 playing in Canada, for example, we would play one week, 204 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:47.840 say in. 205 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:51.480 Surrel outside of. 206 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:56.000 Quebec, and the greens would be you'd have eight different 207 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.840 speeds on eight sixteen. You know, eighteen different greens. 208 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.919 Really, Yeah, it's just the way the green is that. 209 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:05.840 Possibly I would like to know that too, you know, 210 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:08.039 I would try to figure this out. Maybe greens were 211 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:11.000 watered differently on certain holes, or maybe the grass would 212 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:14.639 grow at you know, grain was growing differently on certain holes. 213 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:16.799 I used to ask all the time. So, if I'm 214 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:18.639 going to practice on the putting green, is this pretty 215 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:19.559 much representative? 216 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:21.159 Well at the rest of the course the mine. I'm 217 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:23.480 in a provincial area of Canada that does not. 218 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:27.559 We mowed the grass with the same equipment, and we 219 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:29.720 watered the same way and it's all maintained, right, Yeah, 220 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:30.600 of course it can be the same. 221 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:33.240 But and I think as a standard and we're talking 222 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:35.919 early eighties here now mid eighties, and I played in 223 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:40.840 Africa too, and you'd think that. But in more provincial 224 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:44.039 areas where you know, maybe the mowers weren't set at 225 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:46.000 the right place. All mowers aren't set at the right 226 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:47.639 right you know, So one guy in the front nine, 227 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:49.360 he's doing six holes on the guy doing those six 228 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:51.919 holes that may not quite be quite set the same way, 229 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:54.799 and you know, maybe they have different growing conditions on 230 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:57.559 different greens with less shade and more shade and so 231 00:11:57.759 --> 00:11:59.639 now and I you know, I spent a long time 232 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:02.279 in my other part of my life working with superintendents 233 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:05.679 in the yardage business, the golf course measurement and graphic business. 234 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:07.240 And I learned that right now. 235 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:09.200 You're going to make me do this, give it a brief. 236 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:11.320 You got to share with people what it is briefly 237 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:12.240 because they know who you are. 238 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:13.559 Oh okay, they don't know who you. 239 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:14.159 Are, okay. 240 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:18.960 Well, I was playing professional golf in the early eighties 241 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:23.480 and I was very good early at taking notes at playing. 242 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:26.720 You know, I didn't hit it as far. 243 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:30.519 I didn't do a lot of things, but I felt 244 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:34.120 that being organized, even though I wasn't. My brothers were 245 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:36.120 better boy Scouts than me, but I felt that being 246 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:38.559 prepared was a big part of the equation. I was 247 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:43.200 a John Wooden fan growing up, being a UCLA guy. Again, 248 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.799 the behavioral aspect is huge, and. 249 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:48.600 That is all pre GPS pre. 250 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:51.320 GPS and you know, my day, in my day growing up, 251 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:53.960 it was pretty much, you know, a cypress tree at 252 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:57.879 one point fifty or a plaque in the fairway maybe, 253 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.679 And so what did you do? I just got well, 254 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.200 because what happened was I started making yardage books and 255 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:06.559 then for my other mini tour players to support myself 256 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:08.799 while I was playing many tours, and out of that 257 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:11.240 became one of the common denominators, which is legal in 258 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:14.240 the rules of golf, is a sprinklerhead is a static point. 259 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:17.879 So it's okay that that is that. Everybody knows what 260 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:20.320 the number is. It's not a secret. So you and 261 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:22.360 I can talk about the yardage from that sprinkler head. 262 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:24.679 I may not ask you what club you hit, because 263 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:27.600 that's completely different, really different. But we can things that 264 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:30.320 are common knowledge, like a tree or a rock or 265 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:32.960 a sprinkler head. And so what happened in the early days, 266 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:34.759 and this goes back a little bit, but in the 267 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:39.240 early early days of yardage, there was a caddy for 268 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:43.200 Jack Nicholas, who actually I think started cattying for Palmer first, 269 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:44.320 but he was good at graphics. 270 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:46.440 His name was Gorgeous George. He had a graphic background. 271 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:48.600 He started making yardage books for tour players, and those 272 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:50.360 are pretty common when I first started playing in the 273 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:52.360 early eighties as a professional. But he took a lot 274 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.720 of yardages from sprinkler heads. What pros would do later, 275 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:56.879 they'd go out and they'd get name plates and they'd 276 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:00.000 drill them or screw them onto these sprinkler heads for yardage. 277 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:04.120 And when I came along in the mid eighties looking 278 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:06.600 to make doing yardage books, the company at the time 279 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:09.000 was very big in golf started PGA Wes some mother 280 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.639 fides called Landmark Land Company asked me to do a 281 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:14.480 yardage book for the tour finals in nineteen eighty seven. 282 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:16.840 And I was doing this yardage book and he said, oh, 283 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:18.519 by the way, and this is at PGA West, all 284 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:21.240 my little riveted tags have fallen off my sprinklerhead. 285 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:22.080 Can you help me out? 286 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.360 And I at that point any sort of money come 287 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:28.879 in my way was a bonus, and so I said, okay, 288 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:30.799 I'll figure something out. And at that point I started 289 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:32.879 figuring out sprinkler markers and how to attach them to 290 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:35.519 sprinkler heads. And so the issues are being cost efficient, 291 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:36.399 being visible and. 292 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:37.799 Can they last? 293 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:43.519 And you know, so I did that and quickly that 294 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:45.360 led into a business for the which I just sold 295 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:48.600 after twenty six years called grun Guide manufacturing sprinkler markers 296 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:52.519 for golf courses. Awesome, so Braill Brifley, So I've measured 297 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:55.000 golf courses for years and years and years, using a 298 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:58.600 variety of different ways of doing it, laser technology, GPS 299 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:00.960 and all sorts of things. And so I've been involved 300 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.600 in the irrigation and the maintenance and with superintendents. So 301 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:08.919 my discussion to the superintendents about greens maintenance and that thing 302 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.399 is always fascinating me, and it has led. And I've 303 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:13.600 always taught during this time too, pretty much. So I've 304 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:14.279 always coached. 305 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:23.080 All right, John, behavior, let's get back to it. 306 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:25.679 Yeah, So ultimately that you know, my background has been 307 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:30.320 about a lot about about things that are maybe not 308 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:33.759 so obvious to golfers. And a lot of my time 309 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:37.960 was spent in the presence of some really great golfers. 310 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:40.919 And I was fortunate to have just enough game to 311 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:43.039 kind of be let in the room, so to speak. 312 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:47.240 Maybe not long enough time, but enough time that I 313 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:50.279 can still call friends and acquaintances, guys that are still 314 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.639 playing professionally and women still playing professionally. Having I had 315 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:58.639 a coaching stint in college at my alma mater, UCLA, 316 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:04.360 and and that experience along with and I did some 317 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:06.840 other fortunate too, in that I grew up in southern 318 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:10.320 California or just California in general, which is sort of. 319 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:14.559 Especially as a younger man. It's probably still today. 320 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:18.320 There was a lot of really talented people at teaching 321 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:24.320 that had some wonderful successful experience at golf. So, you know, 322 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:26.399 one of my first lessons was from Jerry Barber. And 323 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:31.519 to say, at fourteen, and this is in the early seventies, 324 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:34.480 this man was only ten or so years away from 325 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:36.759 being a leading money winner on the PGA now maybe 326 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:42.200 a Varden Trophy winner on the PGA Tour, multiple winner 327 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:44.039 on the PGA Tour, winner of a major on the 328 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:46.240 PGA Tour. And to be able to call him up 329 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:47.799 and say, hey, mister Barber, can you give me a 330 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:48.480 golf lesson? 331 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:56.639 Or to go to oh gosh, Little Poison. Paul Runyon. 332 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:58.919 I took several lessons from mister Runyon, another short game 333 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:02.720 specialist guy, although he taught the long game too, and 334 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:04.960 he produced. You know, there's a lot of great guys 335 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:07.200 that were had a relationship. 336 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:09.519 So I had this experience. 337 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:12.960 Of being with people that that not only walked the walk, 338 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:16.440 but talked to talk. They did what they preached that 339 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:19.200 they they experienced at firsthand at a high level, and 340 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:22.519 I sought them out just because that's the way I was, 341 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:27.559 you know, and maybe to my detriment sometimes, uh, you know, 342 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:29.880 but because you can't do everything. 343 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:30.240 Uh. 344 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:32.599 But I look back on it now and and and 345 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:34.759 it was uh, I think it was worth my while. 346 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:35.440 Right. 347 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:37.640 So now, how does that bring us back to vector 348 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:40.680 putting and what you've learned to teach us vectory? 349 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:43.079 Because you know, I I I first came across aim 350 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:45.680 point through some very smart people and watch some guys 351 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:49.880 on tour performing it, mostly the caddies, the the the h. 352 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:52.319 In the beginning, it seemed like aame point was h. 353 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:54.759 The pros would be just they would know just enough 354 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:56.720 to be dangerous, but their caddies were a little better 355 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:01.039 and and and uh, which is okay when you have 356 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:03.880 that relationship with a caddy and you trust and everything else. 357 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:08.640 But I took some time looking at the aim point 358 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:10.559 and I found it for myself to be a little 359 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:14.680 bit more complicated that I wanted to deal with. I 360 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:17.480 didn't find it to be insufficient. I just found it 361 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:20.920 to be a little bit more complicated. And I was 362 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:23.839 approached by a gentleman that was involved in vector punting, 363 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:29.799 went to a seminar, and I found the similarities quite striking. 364 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:31.839 Striking, but I found and. 365 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:35.559 I appreciate how gracious you're being about not saying anything 366 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:38.359 negative about aim point, But I know, I. 367 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:40.759 Know, I don't think there is. I really don't think 368 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:42.680 there's anything negative about am point is. I don't think 369 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:45.319 there's anything negative about vector greene. I just find as 370 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:48.039 a coach, as an instructor, I can get the essentials 371 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:51.039 of my experience of how to become more efficient and 372 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:55.599 more effective at performance through vector Okay, And that's what 373 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.799 appealed to me. After I went to the seminar, I 374 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:01.240 found Wait a minute, and this started to ruminate within me, 375 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:02.079 like Okay. 376 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:04.839 What did I experience here? What just happened? Wait a minute? 377 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:06.319 And then I and then one day I was asked 378 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:09.240 to give a clinic, and I go, how do I 379 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:11.880 do this? And that's what I came up with STAG, 380 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:16.599 which was my acronym for basically helping people get better 381 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:19.680 at golf through through my clinic or through basic constructing. 382 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:23.440 And the overview applies to everybody. The actual application in 383 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:26.279 certain areas will be more applicable to others some people. 384 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:28.640 STAG is more of a as much about behavior and 385 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:33.200 vector green reading as, but it's about different behaviors. 386 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:35.759 That are involved in becoming becoming sufficient. 387 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:38.720 At the actual application of putting now practicing. It also 388 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:41.960 works too because it gives you a behavioral background on 389 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.440 which to how do I work on my putting on 390 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:48.799 a daily basis? And some days certain aspect applications of 391 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:52.720 STAG may be more important than others, but they all apply, 392 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:57.599 and they are all basically, you know, four basic areas 393 00:19:57.599 --> 00:19:59.680 of putting that are essential to becoming a better pus. 394 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.759 What STAG is, Yeah, that's what I'm I'm guessing that 395 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:07.440 STAG is an acronym absolutely, okay. Yeah, and it stands 396 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:09.359 for speed two. 397 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:12.400 Feet and straight, aim and green reading. 398 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:19.960 Okay, So let's speed two feet two feet and straight 399 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:24.680 and straight okay, and then aim and green reading. Right, 400 00:20:24.759 --> 00:20:28.440 all right, let's start it speed. I'm gonna break this down. 401 00:20:28.519 --> 00:20:31.640