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Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number three hundred eighty eight, published on June eleven,

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twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 3: I really don't think there's anything negative about endpoint is.

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I don't think there's anything negative about vector. I just

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find as a coach, as an instructor, I can get

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the essentials of my experience of how to become more

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efficient and more effective at performance through vector and that's

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what appealed to me. After I went to the seminar,

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I found wait a minute, and this started to ruminate

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within me.

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Speaker 4: Like Okay, what did I experience here?

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Speaker 3: And then one day I was asked to give a

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clinic and I go, how do I do this? And

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that's what I came up with STAG, which was my

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acronym for helping people get better at golf through my

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clinic or through basic instructing. And the overview applies to everybody.

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The actual application in certain areas will be more applicable

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to others. Staggers is much about behavior and vector green reading,

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but it's about different behaviors that are involved and becoming

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sufficient the actual application of putting now practicing it also

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works too because it gives you a behavioral background on

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which too, how do I work on my putty on

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a daily basis.

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Speaker 1: That putt was supposed to break to the left vector

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putting with John Grunt.

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Speaker 2: This is Golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers

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and golf professionals to help flower your score. It's worked

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for your host, Fred Green.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Speaker 4: John Oh, thanks Fred, good to be here, and thank you.

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Speaker 1: So much for coming into the studio to have this

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conversation because it would have been just as easy to

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go walking around on the golf course. But well not today,

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because there's people out there playing okay, and we could

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probably maybe we'll do some video out there at some point.

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Speaker 4: That'd be great, some Golf Smarter.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, some video tips there.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to bring you in and the reason

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I asked you to come in today is because I

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had mentioned recently that you had taken me aside and

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given me some lessons on vector putting. And we had

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done a lot recently about aimpoint putting. And when I

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told you about that, you said, now I got to

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show you this. I gotta show you this.

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Speaker 5: You got all excited about wanting to show me this.

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Speaker 1: So that's really where I want to talk about today,

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is the putting. But there's so many other topics that

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are so hot right now that I don't know if

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I want to do this now or we'll get in

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it later. But I think everyone's like, no, no, no,

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I don't want to know about the news.

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Speaker 5: Well let's talk about putting.

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Speaker 4: So explain to me.

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Speaker 5: Is it called vector putting?

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Speaker 4: Is that how we can.

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Speaker 1: Refer to it and everyone would know what we're talking about?

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay. There was a kernel in the Air Force.

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Speaker 3: I believe his name is mister Templeton, Colonel Templeton, and

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he was also a very very bright man, is often

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the case for some of those gentlemen. He was one

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of the early pioneers in Nassau flying I believe planes

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at higher elevations at supersonic speeds, and was involved in

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that process on many levels. Also an Avid golfer, and

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upon retirement discovered, you know, people just you know, if

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you look at the numbers, thirty two thirty six putts

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is an acceptable amount and you're par seventy two.

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Speaker 4: Gosh, that's that's fifty percent of the game.

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Speaker 3: If we go by what you know is allowable in golf,

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right and thirty six pots, et cetera, fourteen t shots.

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Speaker 4: And he thought people do this pretty badly.

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Speaker 3: Why And one of the things he thought was that

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people just don't read greens very effectively. So he felt

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that based on his mathematical background and probably trying to

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figure out how a spaceship is going to go from

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one place to another and amount of time it's going

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to take, a matter of friction involved all the things

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that are involved in space travel and travel in general.

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What about a golf ball traveling across the green? Couldn't

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there be some mathematical equation to that?

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Speaker 1: And that's not very dissimilar to what aim point exactly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, I don't know how this all pans out

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in the world, but I think there's a lot of

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similarities on the mathematical side. I can't speak for am point,

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but my guessing is is There's probably a lot of

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similarities on the science side of aim point and vector

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green reading, and I think both are fine. The important

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thing that I've learned as an instructor is to be functional,

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and I want my students and the people that come

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to me, and not only them, but myself because I try.

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Speaker 4: I'm usually my biggest guinea pig is.

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Speaker 3: What are the things that make us better? What are

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the things that we're involved in? And both aim point

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and vector green reading do this. The vector I found

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was more functional in that it simplified things dramatically and

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gave a clearer picture of application for the individual to

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apply and move forward in his game and be involved

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in some basic fundamental areas which all good putters are

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when they're involved in the process of putting effectively.

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Speaker 1: You and I spent half hour right on a putting

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green at best. I mean, you just wanted to show

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it to me, and I was trying to absorb as

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much as I possibly could. But I got to tell you,

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the impact that it had on my next few rounds

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was significant, right, And I don't want to just say

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then I've forgotten. It's all done, and I'm still incorporating it.

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Into every green I walk on. But I definitely saw

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huge improvement immediately.

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Speaker 4: I love to hear. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's like, is it that simple?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: Because if I got it, it's got to be simple.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Fred I, I always enjoy sitting talking with you, But

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now that I'm in your layer, so to speak, in

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your in your studio, I notice your vast book collection.

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And I just sat down a book where a very

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famous instructor said that Matt Kocher and five swings picked

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up something and became the leading money when on the

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PGA tour right after that took them five swings. So

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sometimes things that are complicated that can be made simple

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and attainable can be very effective and be life impacting

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or game impacting in this point.

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, I mean I think.

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Speaker 3: I've tried to break it down in my way even

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more functional because I'm more of a behaviorist. I'm a

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believer that the vector putting was a simple The behavior

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side of it was easier to apply while I was

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playing golf, and and that's why I think you got

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out of that thirty minutes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think it helped you.

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Speaker 3: And I hope when I show people what I do

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in a small clinic and or show them as an

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aside in thirty minutes one on one or whatever. They

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walk away and they have some similar profound experiences like

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you did. I've fortunately, I've been a pretty good putter

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most of my life. I say fortunate in that most

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fortunate behavior is who was the There was a Raymond

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Berry was a famous wide receiver. I think one of

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his quotes was, when opportunity meets preparation, that's the true

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definition of luck. So I say I'm I'm fortunate in

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the fact that I worked really hard as a youngster

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and throughout my golf career to spend more time on

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the putting green, or a lot of time around the

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green and the putting green. And so maybe my my

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good fortune was a little bit of effort.

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Speaker 4: On my part.

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Speaker 3: And it's usually the case, you know, you have to

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work pretty hard. But I started, I didn't know what

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I was doing. I was fortunate to be around. I

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thought that it was all about mechanics, but it was

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a culmination of the people that I was associated with

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in my life that were good players, and watching what

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they do and sort of picking up on their behavior

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and the things that they do were really important as

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maybe as important as the mechanics, because really, and as

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I showed you, mechanics are all about one simple fact.

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And if you're doing that, then your mechanics are adequate.

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I'm not going to say they're the best, but they're adequate,

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which we'll talk about.

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Speaker 4: Here in a minute.

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Speaker 3: But if you're doing if you're performing a simple function

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of geometry and physics, and we can see what happens

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when the golf ball, then you're on the right track mechanically.

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So I think mechanics can be a little overtaught when

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it comes to putting, but what is undertaught is the

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behavior that is involved in becoming very proficient at putting.

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Speaker 5: Now you really got me.

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to get into this behavior part.

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Speaker 5: What did you witness? What did you see?

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Speaker 1: Because you, you and I were we chatted for over

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an hour before we started recording, and you were telling

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me stories about when you were caddying as a kid

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and you would count the posts on the on the

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metal fence and you would know exactly what your distance

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was based on where the ball was near that fence.

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I mean, you were figuring things out early. But what

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were the behavioral things that you were noticing that made impact.

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Speaker 3: Well, I noticed that that that's better. Putters practiced more,

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and not necessarily at long a long time, but they

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had a routine that they followed, so that.

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Speaker 6: A practice routine or a practice preshot routine, a practice routine,

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and so that they would usually practice before they played

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on the putting green, and they'd spend a few minutes

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after the round on the putting green.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, yeah, Why why is that important?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: I think that that at a certain level there is

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a mind body connection to what you're trying to do.

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and so there's a cult.

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Speaker 4: There's a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 3: Like when I played professionally overseas or when I was

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playing on tour, that was a common behavior among the

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guys that were scoring lower.

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Speaker 4: I go, oh, okay, that's what I've always done.

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Speaker 3: But why you know, and well, you know, one of

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playing in Canada, for example, we would play one week,

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say in.

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Speaker 4: Surrel outside of.

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Speaker 3: Quebec, and the greens would be you'd have eight different

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speeds on eight sixteen. You know, eighteen different greens.

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Speaker 4: Really, Yeah, it's just the way the green is that.

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Speaker 3: Possibly I would like to know that too, you know,

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I would try to figure this out. Maybe greens were

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watered differently on certain holes, or maybe the grass would

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grow at you know, grain was growing differently on certain holes.

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Speaker 1: I used to ask all the time. So, if I'm

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going to practice on the putting green, is this pretty

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much representative?

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Speaker 3: Well at the rest of the course the mine. I'm

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in a provincial area of Canada that does not.

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Speaker 1: We mowed the grass with the same equipment, and we

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watered the same way and it's all maintained, right, Yeah,

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of course it can be the same.

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Speaker 3: But and I think as a standard and we're talking

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early eighties here now mid eighties, and I played in

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Africa too, and you'd think that. But in more provincial

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areas where you know, maybe the mowers weren't set at

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the right place. All mowers aren't set at the right

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right you know, So one guy in the front nine,

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he's doing six holes on the guy doing those six

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holes that may not quite be quite set the same way,

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and you know, maybe they have different growing conditions on

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different greens with less shade and more shade and so

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now and I you know, I spent a long time

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in my other part of my life working with superintendents

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in the yardage business, the golf course measurement and graphic business.

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Speaker 4: And I learned that right now.

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Speaker 1: You're going to make me do this, give it a brief.

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You got to share with people what it is briefly

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because they know who you are.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, they don't know who you.

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Speaker 4: Are, okay.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was playing professional golf in the early eighties

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and I was very good early at taking notes at playing.

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Speaker 4: You know, I didn't hit it as far.

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Speaker 3: I didn't do a lot of things, but I felt

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that being organized, even though I wasn't. My brothers were

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better boy Scouts than me, but I felt that being

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prepared was a big part of the equation. I was

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a John Wooden fan growing up, being a UCLA guy. Again,

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the behavioral aspect is huge, and.

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Speaker 5: That is all pre GPS pre.

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it was pretty much, you know, a cypress tree at

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one point fifty or a plaque in the fairway maybe,

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because what happened was I started making yardage books and

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then for my other mini tour players to support myself

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while I was playing many tours, and out of that

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became one of the common denominators, which is legal in

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the rules of golf, is a sprinklerhead is a static point.

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So it's okay that that is that. Everybody knows what

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the number is. It's not a secret. So you and

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I may not ask you what club you hit, because

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that's completely different, really different. But we can things that

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are common knowledge, like a tree or a rock or

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a sprinkler head. And so what happened in the early days,

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early early days of yardage, there was a caddy for

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but he was good at graphics.

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Speaker 4: His name was Gorgeous George. He had a graphic background.

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Speaker 3: He started making yardage books for tour players, and those

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are pretty common when I first started playing in the

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early eighties as a professional. But he took a lot

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of yardages from sprinkler heads. What pros would do later,

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they'd go out and they'd get name plates and they'd

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drill them or screw them onto these sprinkler heads for yardage.

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And when I came along in the mid eighties looking

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to make doing yardage books, the company at the time

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was very big in golf started PGA Wes some mother

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fides called Landmark Land Company asked me to do a

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yardage book for the tour finals in nineteen eighty seven.

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by the way, and this is at PGA West, all

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my little riveted tags have fallen off my sprinklerhead.

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Speaker 4: Can you help me out?

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Speaker 3: And I at that point any sort of money come

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in my way was a bonus, and so I said, okay,

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I'll figure something out. And at that point I started

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figuring out sprinkler markers and how to attach them to

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sprinkler heads. And so the issues are being cost efficient,

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being visible and.

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Speaker 4: Can they last?

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Speaker 3: And you know, so I did that and quickly that

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led into a business for the which I just sold

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after twenty six years called grun Guide manufacturing sprinkler markers

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for golf courses. Awesome, so Braill Brifley, So I've measured

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golf courses for years and years and years, using a

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variety of different ways of doing it, laser technology, GPS

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and all sorts of things. And so I've been involved

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in the irrigation and the maintenance and with superintendents. So

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my discussion to the superintendents about greens maintenance and that thing

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is always fascinating me, and it has led. And I've

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always taught during this time too, pretty much. So I've

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always coached.

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Speaker 1: All right, John, behavior, let's get back to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So ultimately that you know, my background has been

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about a lot about about things that are maybe not

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so obvious to golfers. And a lot of my time

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was spent in the presence of some really great golfers.

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kind of be let in the room, so to speak.

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can still call friends and acquaintances, guys that are still

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playing professionally and women still playing professionally. Having I had

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a coaching stint in college at my alma mater, UCLA,

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and and that experience along with and I did some

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other fortunate too, in that I grew up in southern

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California or just California in general, which is sort of.

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Speaker 4: Especially as a younger man. It's probably still today.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of really talented people at teaching

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that had some wonderful successful experience at golf. So, you know,

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one of my first lessons was from Jerry Barber. And

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to say, at fourteen, and this is in the early seventies,

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this man was only ten or so years away from

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being a leading money winner on the PGA now maybe

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a Varden Trophy winner on the PGA Tour, multiple winner

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on the PGA Tour, winner of a major on the

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PGA Tour. And to be able to call him up

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and say, hey, mister Barber, can you give me a

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golf lesson?

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Speaker 4: Or to go to oh gosh, Little Poison. Paul Runyon.

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Speaker 3: I took several lessons from mister Runyon, another short game

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specialist guy, although he taught the long game too, and

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he produced. You know, there's a lot of great guys

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that were had a relationship.

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Speaker 4: So I had this experience.

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Speaker 3: Of being with people that that not only walked the walk,

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but talked to talk. They did what they preached that

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they they experienced at firsthand at a high level, and

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I sought them out just because that's the way I was,

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you know, and maybe to my detriment sometimes, uh, you know,

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but because you can't do everything.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: But I look back on it now and and and

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it was uh, I think it was worth my while.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: So now, how does that bring us back to vector

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putting and what you've learned to teach us vectory?

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Speaker 3: Because you know, I I I first came across aim

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point through some very smart people and watch some guys

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on tour performing it, mostly the caddies, the the the h.

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The pros would be just they would know just enough

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to be dangerous, but their caddies were a little better

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and and and uh, which is okay when you have

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that relationship with a caddy and you trust and everything else.

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But I took some time looking at the aim point

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and I found it for myself to be a little

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bit more complicated that I wanted to deal with. I

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didn't find it to be insufficient. I just found it

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to be a little bit more complicated. And I was

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approached by a gentleman that was involved in vector punting,

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went to a seminar, and I found the similarities quite striking.

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Speaker 4: Striking, but I found and.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate how gracious you're being about not saying anything

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negative about aim point, But I know, I.

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Speaker 3: Know, I don't think there is. I really don't think

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there's anything negative about am point is. I don't think

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there's anything negative about vector greene. I just find as

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a coach, as an instructor, I can get the essentials

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of my experience of how to become more efficient and

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more effective at performance through vector Okay, And that's what

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appealed to me. After I went to the seminar, I

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found Wait a minute, and this started to ruminate within me,

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like Okay.

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Speaker 4: What did I experience here? What just happened? Wait a minute?

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Speaker 3: And then I and then one day I was asked

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to give a clinic, and I go, how do I

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do this? And that's what I came up with STAG,

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which was my acronym for basically helping people get better

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at golf through through my clinic or through basic constructing.

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And the overview applies to everybody. The actual application in

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certain areas will be more applicable to others some people.

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STAG is more of a as much about behavior and

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vector green reading as, but it's about different behaviors.

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Speaker 4: That are involved in becoming becoming sufficient.

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Speaker 3: At the actual application of putting now practicing. It also

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works too because it gives you a behavioral background on

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which to how do I work on my putting on

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a daily basis? And some days certain aspect applications of

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STAG may be more important than others, but they all apply,

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and they are all basically, you know, four basic areas

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of putting that are essential to becoming a better pus.

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Speaker 1: What STAG is, Yeah, that's what I'm I'm guessing that

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STAG is an acronym absolutely, okay. Yeah, and it stands

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for speed two.

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Speaker 4: Feet and straight, aim and green reading.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's speed two feet two feet and straight

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and straight okay, and then aim and green reading. Right,

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all right, let's start it speed. I'm gonna break this down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great, and so so speed really is And you know,

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it's funny. I I was always a pretty effective putter,

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but I've I've sometimes surprisingly longer distance.

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Speaker 4: Uh, struggled with my speed?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, everyone does.

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Speaker 3: And I've spent again, I've spent. I was fortunate to

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spend some time and still do. I can call him

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an acquaintance and maybe even a friend I named doctor

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Craig Farnsworth. He's an optometrist that teaches putting instructing and if.

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Speaker 4: You ever he he's a name point instructor, and he's

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an ame point instructor.

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Speaker 3: But he's also very smart man, and and he's on

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an automical down autometrist down at the poem right And

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one of my one of my main as an overall instructor,

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one of my main approaches to every lesson, and I

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almost especially with almost every student, I tell him right

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up front, I said, the quality of relationship you build

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to your target is almost always directly proportioned to the

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quality of golf shot you hit. Say that again, the

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quality of the relationship you developed to your target is

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almost always proportionate to the quality of golf shot you're

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going to hit.

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Speaker 5: Okay, exciting.

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Speaker 3: What you mean by that, Well, you know, it has

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a little bit of my background as a golf guy

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that measured golf courses, but it's also a little bit

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of what I found that I did to become a

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better player. Like I said, as a kid, I measured

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the posts that were located along the fairways and what

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the distance was between each post, and I could tell

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after a while that if things were level and the

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actual if I could see a post at that distance

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and look at the post left to me, that that

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decrease in distance going away from me measured one hundred

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yards one hundred and eighty yards, two hundred yards, and

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I could count the post and say, oh, that is

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two hundred yards.

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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 3: I'm building myself a better relationship when I notice where

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the pin is in the green, and what the colors

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of the trees are around the green, and where that

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bunker is. Like there's some great course designers that try

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to trick you a little bit. They'll put bunkers, say

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thirty forty yards in front of the green, and so

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when you look at the flag, you see just the

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top of it and you think, oh, that green's way

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far away from me, or that's greens just over the bunker, right,

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But it's really not.

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Speaker 4: It's an extra forty yards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about that, and we were talking

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about the course Peacock Gap right here in Marien County

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and on number ten eleven twelve, the par five, there

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are these bunkers that are kind of blocking the green,

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but it looks like it's you know, if you're coming

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in our long approach shot, but what you don't realize

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that there's probably fifteen to twenty yards between the bunker

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and the green, and that's very Yeah.

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Speaker 3: There's a there's a famous a golf architect. I think

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it was Aw.

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Speaker 4: Tillian Hast Tillingham Till Tillian Hast. I think it's Aw,

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but I could be wrong on that.

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Speaker 3: Butter Tillian has designed several golf courses and a lot

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of them are some tremendous golf courses. He grew up

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in I think a part of Scotland and he was

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the greens keeper originally at a very famous course.

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Speaker 4: I think it was. I don't think it's Royal County

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down but anyway.

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Speaker 3: Hasty and anyway, he's very famous for putting these bunkers

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out in front of greens. And so this visual perception,

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in my opinion, really enhances your ability to hit a

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good golf shot because our brain is an amazing effective machine.

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Speaker 1: Speak for yourself, okay exactly.

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Speaker 3: But but when we try to override it, we sometimes

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get in the way. Golf is notorious for that, correct,

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So so when I build that better relationship to the target.

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I'm programming my brain in a way to act in

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a more efficient way.

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Speaker 1: So familiarity of the golf course is key to this. Well,

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not only familiarity, but familiarity with the moment. Explain that, Well,

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you know, I may have driven, you know, you may

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have played your home course one hundred times, two hundred times,

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three hundred times.

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Speaker 4: But.

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Speaker 3: Y'all a sudden you're faced with a golf shot. And

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the golf shot requires not the familiarity to the whole

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golf course shot, but the whole golf course, but that

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golf shot. So in this moment, what am I capable

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of doing?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 3: You know, when you break it down into every golf

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shot has an essential like there's several elements. What are

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the actual elements of this shot that the pragmatic issues

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like distance like uphill, downhill, and those things are very straightforward.

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But the things that aren't so obvious is how do

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I get my body to adapt to this moment to

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hit this golf shot? And how do I get more

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in tune with what the actual yardage is? Is it

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slightly uphills, it slightly downhill? Do I really know that?

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Do I feel that. Am I sensing that? Am my

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programming that into this shot? And if I can really

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see that and feel that in a more real way,

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like I see that like for example, some flags are

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higher than others. You know, most flags round about seven feet,

505
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I think, but some courses they might be a little different.

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So we're tricked, right, We're tricked. If I have more

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efficient information on how to make my shot, you know,

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then I'm like you mentioned, Oh, if he would just

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give me the pin placement on that grain, then I

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can hit a better shot, you know. So that helps

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me make a better decision about what my shot. Because

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when I'm a as a golf pro and my caddying

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and I are standing there looking at our yardage book,

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we're we're looking at numbers saying, the first thing we

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do is get rid of the worst shot. So what

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club or what shot approach here? What approach to the

517
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shot eliminates the highest penalty for failure because it's not

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about how many great shots I had in around a

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golf It's more about efficient shots, you see what I'm saying.

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So if I have good information, which is a good yardage,

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and I can feel that and apply that to the moment,

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then I'm more more efficient at producing what I need

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to do in that moment. It's not a question of

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knowing where the course is and I like that area,

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but and and and if I do that effectively time

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and time again, I get better results. Which brings us

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back to the with the stag And that's what speed

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is a good way of that. If I can if

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I can understand the speed of this green, if I

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understand the speed of this this green in particular, which

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generally today is pretty similar with all golf courses.

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Speaker 4: But you know, where am I uphill or my downhill?

533
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Am I on a side hill? You know? Do I

534
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have grain working against me? What's my friction going to be?

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You know?

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Speaker 5: Wind?

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Speaker 3: Wind can be a factor sometimes usually pretty strong one

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to do that, but yeah, it can be a factor.

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Subtle ones can just be a factor in my stability.

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Speaker 4: To hit the putt.

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Speaker 1: Time of the day when because the condition of the

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green is radically different than right.

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Speaker 3: Especial especially on Bermuda greens where you have grain. You know,

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later in the afternoon you've got a little more grain

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than you maybe had in the morning. Big factor, right,

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And so all these things are important in the speed

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and the friction that. So speed is one of those

548
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things of building a better relationship to the target, and

549
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stagging itself is just building that better relationship to the

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target and how I do that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we've gotten through the S and STAG. We've

552
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got TAG left, but we're out of time. So what

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we're going to do? Can you stick around?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we're going to do a members only episode.

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We'll pick it up at tea okay for Stag and

557
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we'll we'll talk in more depth and I'm going to

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pick it apart as best I can with you and

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we'll do the rest there. So we will continue the

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conversation with John Grunn on the upcoming episode.

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Speaker 5: John, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Yes,