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Speaker 1: Welcome, folks, another episode of Hobby Hotline. We have got

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a great show lined up with me this week. We've

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got Uncle Rich Kleine and Alex Army, etc. Twenty two.

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How's it going, guys.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's a cool It's the only cool day like

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in Plano, Texas here for like the next six months.

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So it's fine.

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Speaker 3: The weather here in Virginia is just up, down, up down.

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It can't make it make up its mind. It's like

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I think it heard the groundhog, and but it's like, na,

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we're good.

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Speaker 4: But other than that, everything's great.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll hear in Oregon we've almost forgotten to get

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rain this winter, so and it's still not happening in

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the spring here either, so so it's a little freaky.

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Speaker 2: And hello, chat, don't forget to tell us all where

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you're where you're listening or watching.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we've got a few people joining us early

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here on, well at least for me on the West

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coast as early. But Philly Joe, welcome to the show.

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We've got hoops Hobby hangout, Nick chen Iowa collector, Orlando

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a collector's Dream Welcome, So.

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Speaker 2: You always beautiful days geez.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Florida. So yeah, as always, this is a

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that link and we'll get you in here. So oh

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now we got mister Mangini joining us there. So but

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get things started. I have got a little slide show

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I put together. It is that we've had Opening Day,

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so always a big deal for us that follow baseball.

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Any opening thoughts of Opening Day, Rich, Well.

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Speaker 2: I don't have Netflix, so I didn't watch Opening Night.

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Opening Day should be a national holiday. Having said that,

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it's always a sign that spring is coming or spring

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is here. When you have Opening Day, every team feels,

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especially on opening Day, they have the chance to win

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the World Series, even if they're the Rockies in the

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White Sox that seemingly are doomed for one hundred losses.

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But it's a time for renewal. It's a great day.

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And when I worked at beckat Wade back in the day,

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opening day at what's now Globelife Field at the time

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Ballpark at Arlington was almost like a company day off.

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I mean, we had hundreds of tickets, and you know

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they were upstairs, but we still had hundreds of tickets.

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It was just a social gathering and you know, and

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you had to get there early because everybody would tailgate,

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so you'd be you know, you might get an hour

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or two work done and then oh, I'm off to

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the ballpark, or you just say I'm taking the day off.

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So it was always fun. And I loved going to

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opening days when I was in New York way back

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in the day. And I remember in nineteen eighty five

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at Chase Stadium, which is the coldest place on earth.

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Mookie will know this about Chase Stadium. When Gary Carter

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in his first regular season game is a Met HiT's

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a game winning homer to send us all home to

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get warm after we all sat in the freezing cold

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for several hours. And it was an extra ending game too,

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and he hit it off Neil Allen, who was a

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former Met reliever who got traded for Keith Urnandez, a

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cornerstone of the great Nets teams of the late eighties.

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Speaker 1: Nice all right, Alex, I know, I know your preferred

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opening day is still what six seven months away, but

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on baseball opening no.

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Speaker 3: I love all sports yeah, football, I do a lot

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more in but baseball it's America's pastime. I grew up

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playing it. I was center fielder and everything else. But

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it's like opening days turned into an opening weekend, is

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it not?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: I mean there were still teams, you know, two days

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later after you know, that one game on Netflix that's

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still having their first game. But it's it is like

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like Rich's saying, it's more of the you know, the

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family going out to you know, the ballpark. This is

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this is the time frame when some of those teams

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that you know might not be that decent at the

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end of the year, they had the whole stadium filled.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's it's that uh, that time frame where those maybe

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Speaker 4: You talked about the White Sox.

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Speaker 3: I think they had a pretty good first opening day

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with their their big rookie from uh from Japan coming

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in there and hitting a home run and his you know,

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in his in his first appearance. It gives those teams

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hope out there be like okay, look we got fans

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out here, and then might just gradually down. But then

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you have the other side of the you know you

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have you know, Aaron Judge getting the Golden you know,

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uh sombrero, you got, Paul Skeep's not making out the

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first inning. You know, you got all that flip side

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from the people that crushed last year, now how they're

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starting this year. So I love it. I love it.

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Like you said, it should be a national holiday for

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all the sports enthusiasts.

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Speaker 2: I should point out, mister Judge hit a homer last night.

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Speaker 4: He was the next day.

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World Baseball Classic, you know, a little bit of rolling

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over and and so we'll see.

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Speaker 2: And it was fun to see Mike Trout playing center field.

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year and hitting homers in the first two games of

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the season. Yeah, and Chase the louder of the Guardians, Hey,

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I got that right. I usually I usually call them

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Indians hitting three homers in his first two regular season

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games because he's already played in the postseason before he

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ever played in a regular season game. When did MLB

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become like the NHL and you could play in postseason

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games before you ever played in a regular season game.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the most significant thing this year with

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Opening Day is probably the shift to streaming services. Uh.

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cutter and only got cable back five years ago when

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Yankees game. And it's been a narrative kind of in

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the NBA for the last five years that viewership was

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supposed to be down and now this year games are

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readily available via streaming services and they say the viewership

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is strong and fine now. So I mean it's really

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a case where audiences, especially younger, have cut the cord,

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and you know, if all they do is show games

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on cable, then people aren't going to be able to

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watch as much. So I think it's a huge positive

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for the long term health of the sport that they

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Speaker 2: I think you hit a key point when you said

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the NBA and younger audiences. Baseball is an older audience

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and we don't want to search seven different streams to

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and even the NFL's being need to have this problem.

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Amazon and all these places, and they'll probably have more,

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and financially that's good for them, and at least for

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the NFL. They're smart enough to know if your team

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local is either home or on the road, even if

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available network, you know, net station in your home area.

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complaints about you're in Houston, Texas and you can't get

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a Saint Louis Cardinals game on the stream? And I

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hear those complaints all the time. It's like, if you're

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going to have a stream, just make it open to everybody.

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way back in the day, that oh, if the game's

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on TV, the fans won't come to the ballpark. It's

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actually the other way around. The more you put on TV,

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the more fans came to the ballpark because they got

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energized by seeing the games on TV.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they build the interest in seeing the team

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and so then they're encouraged to then make the trip

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to to actually see them in person.

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Speaker 4: So by the way.

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Speaker 2: Andy brought up a great point. I'd like him to

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elucidate on this a little more. He talked about families

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going to the game, and we were talking in the

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green room before the show, and so we're gonna slide

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a little. Opening Day is a family event, but you

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do a lot with shows. Let's tie this into the

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hobby as well. How Opening Day things can be related

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to families and not just fathers and sons nowadays, fathers

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and daughters, especially with TCG, Pokemon One Piece, bo Jackson's

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Attack Battle, all this stuff at the shows.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it show was back.

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Speaker 2: My Walt fell out. It comes from me yesterday. Okay,

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so I call them. We're going to leave a little

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early and go pick Okay, but that's where it is.

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that was important to ask about the to tell me

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about the wall. Go, okay, did I just get on air?

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Speaker 3: Don't we're giving we're giving her to We're giving her

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five seconds of flame, so you know she can Okay.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately dropped her wall at a tom thumb yesterday and

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they found it and she's got to go get it back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you're talking about you know, the experience

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with you know, friends, you know everyone else. Right, yeh,

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the first call in your your wife's the first calling.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome.

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Speaker 3: But uh, now to the booth, we brought in Rich's wife.

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But uh, it's those experiences, you know, bringing bringing friends,

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families to card shows. It's just like you know, opening day,

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just like going to the ballpark, going anywhere realistically, go

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on vacation and stuff. You know, you can incorporate the

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same type of stuff like you know when you go

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to a ballpark. You know, you're like, oh, I want

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to get some food here. Maybe we're gonna go see

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you know, the new museum piece they might have on

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display there at the ballpark, or the the Let's go

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check out the shop. Maybe they got some cards in there.

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and you got these other shops like you know, car

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ball Time by Tom Brady and stuff opening up shops

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experience for you know, the card experience, but you know,

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tying into card shows, it's the same thing. You know,

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you're gonna go to a card show, You're gonna go

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see certain vendors. Maybe you're gonna go see some of

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the players and get autographs if they have autograph guests

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there and everything. You know, you're incorporating the the fun

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times and experiences with family and friends, you know, at

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both locations. And I mean there's a price points difference

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in both of them, right, but it's overall great experience.

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Speaker 2: And I will also point out that I know one

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of my former comp Seat teammates is managing the store

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that's opening at the old Globe Life Field, you know,

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where you can see it as you're coming into new

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Globe I Field, you know, and they anticipate a lot

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of traffic. And I believe the Rangers are a partial

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partner in that store too, so you might see some

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more of that synergy. As much as I hate that word,

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you might see some more of that synergy as well.

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Speaker 4: Nice.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, to wrap up this topic, I did

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put together a couple of questions for predictions here. Feel

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free to chat, you know, participate as well. First one,

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is anyone ending the Otani Judge stranglehold on MVP. What

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do you guys think?

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Speaker 2: What do you think rich eventually, yes, whether it's this year,

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I don't know. You know, baseball season is a long season.

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People get hurt, things happen. Otani and Judge have both

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basically missed full seat, well not a full season in

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Judge's case, but he he hurt his toe at Dodger

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I heard the corporate name. I can't it's still Dodger Stadium.

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surgery or had to become just a dh He couldn't

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do dual things someday, yes, will be this year. I

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don't know. They are always the favorites, but favorites don't

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always win things.

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Speaker 3: Now, I think I think the Otani you know argument,

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it's like, is he still doing both?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Is he still pitching and hitting still? If he's doing

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both at that higher level, right, it just averages out

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to be better than everyone else. And you know, like

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you said, only time will tell. I always say that

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Otani eventually is gonna have to decide which one he

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wants to do. Right, It's probably gonna be a hitting

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aspect more than pitching, because it just it's gonna be

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I think it's gonna be two biggest string on Do

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I think anyone can overtake both of them? Of course,

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there's there's plenty of people out there, but but it

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just depends like, are we gonna have more four strikeout

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games by Judge this year, you know, throughout the year,

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or are we gonna have more you know, he's hitting

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a home run, I mean back to back home runs

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with like him and Stanton Again, that lineup is freaking

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is nasty. There's a lot of lineups out there that

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are that are really stacked, and some of those individuals

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that are in between there, like Gunnar Henderson is supposed

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to have a great year, you know, Akunya's back and

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everything else, and when he's healthy, how is he gonna

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do because the lineup around them, it's like you can't

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just pitch away from him because you still got other

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huge hitters coming up behind them. What are we gonna

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see with Kyle Raley? Is he gonna have a you know,

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another great year as a catcher. So I think those

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two are still almost the lock for it, but I

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think they have a few individuals that are chasing them,

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and they're pretty close.

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Speaker 2: Well. Cayle Rowley, you have to admit, has one of

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the best nicknames in baseball. He does.

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Speaker 4: He does a big dumper. I love it. Cool.

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Speaker 1: I mean, oh, Tony's still in that prime athletic years

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age wise, whereas Judge she's starting to reach, you know,

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being thirty three. You know that that is the time

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when some guys start decline, when they don't have unnatural

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means to delay that. So, but he's such a big dude.

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I don't know so.

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Speaker 4: But but how much so? I haven't looked at the numbers.

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Speaker 3: How much more did Otani play in Japan before coming

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here compared to Judge playing and the miners coming up

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to the majors? Right, you know that wearings hair might

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be there for a Tani.

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Speaker 2: They're there for both of them. Judge, don't forget played

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college ball too. Yeah, key, And one thing with Judge

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is the last thing that goes on a lot of

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these players is the power. Judge may not hit for

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as high as an average someday, but the power is

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the last thing to go. Even Babe Ruth near the

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end of his career, could still hit three homers in

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the game. And by the way, regardless of what that

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terrible Baby Ruth movie said way back in the day.

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He did play a couple of days after that free

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homer game, including the first home run ever hit out

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of old Forbes Field. You know, so you know, even

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a washed up Babe Ruth could still hit three homers

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in a game and still was basically as as bad

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as he was for the Boston Braves. He still finished

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second behind Wally Berger that year in most homers by

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a Boston Brave that season with six.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I think I'll move on to the next question,

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which is gonna be anyone dethroning the Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: It's a short series in the playoffs. Anything can happen.

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You get starting pitching getting hot and going seven to

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eight innings all of a sudden. I don't care how

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good your offense is, even though they've got an awesome

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offensive team. Again, somebody could get hurt. Things happen. People

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don't hit as well in the postseason because you're playing

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better pitching. Two thousand and five, the White Sox rolled

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through the playoffs just on basically on the strength of

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their starting pitching. In the late Bobby.

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Speaker 3: Jenks, yeah, I think you know, any team can, just

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like in football, any given Sunday right, anything to win

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any any day, it just depends on the pitching. The

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pitching is huge. The bullpen's huge. You know, how's the

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bullpen for the Dodgers. How are they going to hold up?

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I mean they they they've already they've sent down you

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know a few of the pitchers from last year that

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not even with the rotation this year to start out.

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So of course they have the power of the hitting

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and everything, and they've even bumped it up a little bit.

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But I think I think there are teams out there

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that could be them who they are. It's just like

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we give it, give it. I don't like making so

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many predictions prior to like you know, all start break

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time frame, you know, after giving a few months of them,

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you know, finally warmed.

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Speaker 4: Up and stuff.

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Speaker 3: But uh, I think they're beatable. It's just how who's

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going to do it.

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Speaker 2: Let's remember the Pidways were one game away from winning

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the first gun of the playoffs last year against the Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Blue Jays almost beat them in

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the World Series. I mean it took them. They had

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to come back. The Daughters had to come back against

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the Blue.

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Speaker 2: And by a player that hardly ever hits a home run.

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Hitting a home run in the ninth inting, not one

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of the people you have expected some guys, you know,

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basically their backup shortstop.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what about what about you, John? What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Well, they're clearly the best team that money can buy,

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and they feel like they are just outrageously spending similarly

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to Steinbrenner's heyday, compared to everybody else, only they're doing

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it much more intelligently than what occurred during a lot

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of Steinbrenner's heyday.

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Speaker 2: So well, remember the GM or the president or whatever

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his thing is, Andy Friedman, who learned how to do

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that type of stuff with the Tampa Bay Rings. He

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learned how to do without money, and when he had money,

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he did it even better. And one thing to remember, yes,

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is John, You're absolutely right. They've assembled talent, but they've

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also assembled talent that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and that's.

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Speaker 2: Something you can do. One of the things George Steinbrenner

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screwed up in the eighties he kept signing first baseman dhs.

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You only need one or two of them in the

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American League, you don't need six. And so people were

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playing the outfield who should have never played the outfield

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and things like that are too many people. And so

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you have that and you have common sense. But the

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thing that we're not mentioning, and there was a comment

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in the chat about the Marlins earlier, maybe there should

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be a salary cap, but if there's a salary cap,

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there needs to be a salary floor as well. And

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the teams that aren't spending money, the Marlins, the Pirates

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at least this year in the offseason, spend some money.

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And because they realize that they've got a chance with

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schemes and their number and Connor Griffin their number one

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prospect in baseball, they have a chance to be really good.

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So they've been spending some money. Finally, but you need

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the floor to go with the ceiling, and right now

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we don't have a floor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's to me, that's one of the

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things that helped the other sports really pass them in

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popularity is causing more parody with you know, salary structure.

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So because now you've got the what handful of major

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market teams that are always going to have a better

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chance because they spend so much more, And then you've

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got the handful of tiny markets that barely spend anything

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that you know, occasionally they might burst through for a

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year or two if they've done really well with bringing

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up guys through their minor leagues, but then by the

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time all those guys are ready to get paid, then

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the team gets broken up.

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Speaker 2: So well, about a decade ago, the Royals did had

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a several year run, including winning a World Series and

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losing a World Series in like Game seven. So the

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Royals show that you can do it. Yeah, you may

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not be able to keep it going forever, but you

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can do it, and you can have several years of

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being competitive.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Hoops Hobby Hangout just commented, you know, three peating is

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is just so hard. I mean it was hard for

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them to even get to the back to back. I

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mean it took them a lot to get that. Maybe

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the pressure to them to do that, you know, knowing

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that they you know, the front office might be like

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you're getting paid this much to do this, like why

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aren't you performing, could possibly get to some of those

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players too well.

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Speaker 2: I think the last team that three peeded were the

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beloved Yankees from ninety eight to two thousand and you've

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got and one thing that you don't remember, and the

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same thing happened in the NBA. When you keep repeating

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you've basically played in three years, especially in the NBA,

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another season of games covering the three years, you know

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you're basically playing another full season in those three years,

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and you don't get the same rest other teams do.

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So it is a really difficult thing to even repeat once.

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And then three peats those are very difficult, and as

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you've pointed out, so you know, back in the day

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you could threepeat a little more because you're only going

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through one or two runs of the playoffs. Now you're

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going through three, and if you're doing a playing game,

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possibly four rounds of playoffs. That's a lot of extra

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wear and tear.

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Speaker 1: All Right, this is a fun topic that we will

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get to see play out over the coming months. I

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think it's time to move on to the next one.

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Not as fun as topic. I think we'll cover it

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fairly quickly. You know, to those of you in the

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chat who have no interest, but lawsuit dismissed by against

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Fanatics about them being a monopoly, so irregardless of the lawsuit,

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do you believe Fanatics has a monopoly over the sports

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card industry.

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Speaker 2: What do you guys think, Yes, but I don't think

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is as bad as everybody thinks it is. And the

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reason I say that is that this complaint was about overpricing.

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You know, many people in the chat, I'm gonna say,

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are more sophisticated collectors, and they don't buy unopened maybe

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they buy, maybe they buy one or two things, and

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then the rest of the time they don't. They just

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buy the singles that they want. You know, I saw

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an Alec Bohm quote earlier. You know, I saw Wan Soda,

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and a lot of times people will just wait to

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get those cards of those players. I know, local, my

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very local card store, one of the Wax Empire that

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I think on trap to have thirty card stores by

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the end of the year. I can go there and

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I can spend thirty forty dollars and get a blaster

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box of some sort. I don't have to buy the

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five hundred dollars buy five hundred dollar box. I can

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enjoy buying a blaster box of tops or a megabox

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or whatever of heritage if they I believe they made

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those this year. So that is kind of a silly

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argument about the overpricing and that was the key point

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of the of the lawsuit. There's you know what, I

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go to the Gallas Card Show. There were millions of

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dollars being traded, and yet there was a guy at

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the last show. He and his wife made shirts for

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a lot of us didn't have it, Like one of

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the tables who are on the side rooms that has

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quarterboxes and dollar boxes and they made us cards saying

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quarterbox King and dollar box super King or something like that.

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It was really a nice thing. So I can buy

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cards for a quarter at the Dallas card Show. I

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don't have to buy cards worth hundreds of dollars at

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the Dallas card Show. I can go to the Wax store.

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I can go to my friend R. J. Duke's store,

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or I can go to the other stores in the

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area not owned by Wax, and you know what, I

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can still find stuff to buy. You just have to

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understand that the barrier at entry on the more expensive

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products is a little out of a lot of people's levels.

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That and I hate to tell you that, but that's

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but that's a sad that's in the hobby. That's sad,

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but that's life. Everything unfortunately is going up because we've

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done such a great job of making the hobby successful.

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Speaker 4: So what do you think monopoly is in a.

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Speaker 3: Sense, like it's hard to like Panini, all the other

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companies had opportunities to bid too. Yeah, they upbet them

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and everything else to get like the licenses for the

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sports fanatics is when they when they took over, when

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they bought Tops, they said they want to be in

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They came out saying they want to be in all aspects.

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00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,680
That's why they're making supplies, you know, the magnates, And

477
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,200
it's not just the actual boxes of cards. They're in

478
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:22,279
the supply game too. They're they're wanting to do so

479
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,920
much more. It's like they have one threshold over everything

480
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,079
and and I feel like any company that's in the

481
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,359
space would want that type of stuff. Everything internal with

482
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,880
them getting all the licenses right, you know, it's it's

483
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,240
been back and forth. Tops has always had baseball, so

484
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:43,720
they've had the monopoly technically on baseball this whole time.

485
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,240
But uh, I for me, I like the aspect of

486
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,920
everything being in one location, one company running it and

487
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,200
everything else and hopefully they learn from the mistakes from

488
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,440
one product to help the others. And maybe it's it's

489
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,599
coming together and you know, getting back to like tops

490
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,160
chrome across all the sports having the same numbered parallels

491
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,880
colored parallels instead you know of red being you know

492
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,119
out of this out of one product and this numbered

493
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,240
out of another. I like the combination of all of

494
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:20,480
it coming together and hopefully, like we we don't know

495
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,079
how it's going to be, Like we can speculate all

496
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:24,880
we want and everything how it's going to be when

497
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,880
we get we have the trends and everything, and I

498
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,000
just hope that you know, it's good for the people

499
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,839
that want to buy the blasters the same as the

500
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:35,119
people that can't afford the thousand dollars boxes.

501
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 4: I know I can, but.

502
00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: That's two individuals that are collecting differently. And that's what's

503
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,119
great about this industry, about this hobby is just like

504
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,319
you don't have to, like Rich said, you don't have

505
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,519
to go buy those thousand, two thousand, five thousand dollars boxes.

506
00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:51,200
It sucks because you would love to get those cards

507
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,680
out of there, because those are the cards that are

508
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,759
featured so much all over you know, the internet. But

509
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,160
have fun ripping the blasters have from the impact with

510
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,519
someone you know that you know and everything else and

511
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,559
do what's within your means that the hobby is meant

512
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:06,119
for everyone.

513
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 4: You just don't have to go.

514
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 3: Out of your way to be part of the other

515
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,039
side that maybe that's just not for you.

516
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: I will also point out that when Fanatics got the

517
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:20,000
licenses and it's and somebody alluded to this in the

518
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:25,519
chat about how Fanatics had their logo during the telecast

519
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:28,279
on opening night. They own all the pro they own

520
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,839
all the pro shops, and so one of the things

521
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:36,000
they stressed when they took over, so to speak, was

522
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:40,480
they had relationships not just with the leagues, but with

523
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:44,599
the players as well, and the MLBPA, and then we'll

524
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,759
say the NHLPA and not the the NBA PA, and

525
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:50,920
the and the NFLPA. That's what I meant, and the

526
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:56,240
owners everybody's bought into we can make more money, and

527
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:58,720
we can and not just make more money, but we

528
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:02,359
can increase our and that you know. And you see

529
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,759
Fanatics cards in a lot of places you have not

530
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,519
seen them before, and so that's kind of cool. But

531
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,680
I saw and I forgot what it was. I forgot

532
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,599
the product, but I saw something coming out in like August,

533
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,880
and it's not a licensed product, but it's like the

534
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,160
old MSA products, you know, where it's going to feature

535
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,960
the players. It's a player association thing, but it's going

536
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,880
to be with a product, and it's going to be

537
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,559
part of the product. And so it's kind of cool

538
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:35,119
to see that there's still ways around, you know, worrying.

539
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:39,039
You can do things outside fanatics too and enjoy the

540
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:40,440
hobby and that's really cool.

541
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: So to answer again, I think we answer every time

542
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,319
I'm on here foulball asking why I'm a host, But

543
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,640
technically I'm not a host or a panel that comes

544
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,640
on here weekly and I have been introduced over a

545
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,519
year ago on a hobby hotline, So keep asking.

546
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:01,079
Speaker 2: Okay, you need to mute me for a second. I

547
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:05,039
had my wonderful dog, Charlie, who is unfortunately not big

548
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,440
enough to be showing her face on the screen, needs

549
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,480
to go potty outside, so I'll be back in a

550
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,079
couple of minutes.

551
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: Okay, all right. So to me, this is a big guess.

552
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:23,119
I wish it were not legal to have the exclusive licenses. Honestly,

553
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,279
you know, as someone who previously stopped as a kid

554
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:32,720
in ninety one, I missed the nineties. But now with

555
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:36,160
my collecting all the hall of Famers project. I got

556
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,440
a chance to explore that decade, and it was a

557
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:46,279
crazy decade of everybody trying to top each other with innovation.

558
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,319
And we're never going to have that again. With just

559
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:56,200
being one company only that controls everything, there's no incentive

560
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:04,359
to really push boundaries. So I I wish that the

561
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:07,839
licenses were not able to be exclusive myself.

562
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,839
Speaker 3: So John, you got to make sure you pin collector's

563
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,519
dreams comment. Charlie is the big dumper, right, That's probably

564
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:20,640
the comment of the day. Okay, thanks, Rich can see

565
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,000
that when he's back.

566
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: I will put a star on that so I can

567
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:26,160
show that to Rich.

568
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 4: All right.

569
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: But the next question I had, I think we've got

570
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,480
to keep it moving is well, the fact that this

571
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:38,559
lawsuit was filed at any effect on how Fanatics operates.

572
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:48,640
I'm guessing no, no, no. It seemed like PSA was

573
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:53,440
reacting or collectors are reacting a little bit to their

574
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,559
legal thing with at least PR But it doesn't seem

575
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:00,720
like cares.

576
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 4: No.

577
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:05,039
Speaker 3: I think they they have the individuals in the right

578
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,000
place to fix everything or do stuff in the backgrounds

579
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:11,880
that not everything has to be public. Yeah, it's out

580
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,759
there for if you dig enough you can find it.

581
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:16,799
But like behind the scenes type of stuff, they're behind

582
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:18,480
the scenes for a reason. We want to see the

583
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:20,440
end product to be good. We don't need to see

584
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,039
how it gets to it, right.

585
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: All right? Uh, I will unmute you. Yes, there you.

586
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: Go, Rich, thank you, good, good to be back.

587
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,039
Speaker 1: You did miss quite the comment here mom end of

588
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:47,680
the day. Rich, h there we go, Charlie, Yes she is.

589
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:54,119
Speaker 4: That's great. All right.

590
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,519
Speaker 1: Do you think Fanatics is going to change anything they

591
00:32:57,559 --> 00:32:59,039
do because they got sued?

592
00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:00,559
Speaker 4: I I don't.

593
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:01,839
Speaker 1: Neither does Alex.

594
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: So no, I think it's I think nothing's gonna change.

595
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:12,440
I think one of the most important things for Fanatics

596
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:15,720
is I think there's a couple of things that can

597
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:18,960
affect Fanatics having nothing to do with this lawsuit.

598
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: On one of the.

599
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:25,799
Speaker 2: Private equity firms that has one of their ways of

600
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:30,039
getting extra money is I'm not saying putting the kebash,

601
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:33,079
but they are limiting what a lot of companies can

602
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:35,480
take out. I don't know if that's going to affect

603
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,680
fanatics in any ways. And to the possibility of a

604
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,799
baseball strike slash lockout next year could be a problem.

605
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,880
Those would be much more important than this lawsuit, which

606
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,000
was frankly a bit frivolous.

607
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: And we've got vantage card collector that mentioned my talking

608
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,559
about the nineties innovation. Yes, some of those companies went bankrupt,

609
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,440
so it was literally a survival of the fittest. So

610
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,960
the people that came up with the best stuff survived.

611
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,039
So I would love that other companies to have that

612
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,639
opportunity so well.

613
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,119
Speaker 2: One of the things to remember is he's right that

614
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,360
many of them. Upper Deck had a near death experience

615
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,800
in twenty ten. Flear went bankrupt in two thousand and five.

616
00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:30,920
Jerry Meyer did an interview a few years ago where

617
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,519
they weren't bankrupt, but they basically shut down in the

618
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,920
near the fall of nineteen ninety eight and basically became

619
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,960
donrous Leaf Playoff and donerous Leaf Playoff had some problems

620
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,239
when they lost their baseball license in two thousand and

621
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,360
five when it became Tops and upper Deck only for

622
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,400
two thousand and six to help to try to calm

623
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:58,000
down the oversaturation not a product, but a number of sets.

624
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:04,719
We had more than ninety legitimate products coming out, you know,

625
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,159
in ninety three and in two thousand and three, two

626
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:08,800
thousand and four, and we were on their way in

627
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,000
two thousand and five, and so based MLB players understood

628
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,800
that that was too many. So if you've noticed, Fanatics

629
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,079
has done one thing very smart. They're not overloading the

630
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:28,320
world with products. There's a few products, but not an overload.

631
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,519
Speaker 1: All right, I think it's time to move on to

632
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:39,400
our next topic, which is Target is expanding their card offerings.

633
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,639
They're going to have the cards again fully in stores.

634
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:47,760
And not only that, they're talking about this fan central

635
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:54,000
area of the store where it's gonna be like not

636
00:35:54,159 --> 00:36:00,039
just cards, but the apparel and you know, like a

637
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,000
sports little section. To me, almost sounding like how they

638
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:08,239
cordon off the the electronics area sort of feels different

639
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,159
in the Target than the rest of the store.

640
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,519
Speaker 3: I would I would say it's probably gonna you know,

641
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:16,880
look at the mold of the collector's clubhouses. I think

642
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,840
they are dicks, right they turn those sections of certain

643
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,840
Dick stores into a card area. I don't know that,

644
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,639
probably not gonna have singles there, but having the apparel

645
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,800
and stuff they're dealing with the sports aspect, I think

646
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,559
it's going to kind of be like that and having

647
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:31,880
all the cards that aspect if they're going to go

648
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,880
into it that's my thought when I heard about it.

649
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so then I guess my question is is it

650
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,559
some kind of indicator here for a change modern sports

651
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:45,159
card hobby.

652
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 4: We're seeing it happen.

653
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: It started, you know, early on years ago with Game Stop, right,

654
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:51,440
and then it's moved on to Dicks.

655
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:51,679
Speaker 2: Now.

656
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: Target's talking about Walmart said they're getting I mean, Walmart

657
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,280
has their Walmart Live and stuff too. All these places

658
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,199
are it's like they're more holding into what their competitors

659
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,960
are doing or other individuals because they see what they're doing.

660
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,000
So it's like, I mean, it happened already with Tops

661
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,880
and everyone. The blaster price is going up or Panini

662
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,400
blaster price is going up at the stores not they're

663
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,880
getting ahead of the resellers and stuff. You know, a

664
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,599
blaster used to be nineteen ninety nine and they're thirty

665
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,559
nine ninety nine, right, so it's like it's either get

666
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:27,239
off the pot or you know that type of thing, right,

667
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,679
So they're they're joining that. They're like, we're gonna, we're

668
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:31,519
going to join up and do this stuff too. I

669
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:32,960
feel that's how I feel.

670
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:38,119
Speaker 1: Well. Dan's Vintage saying feels like the late eighties again.

671
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:42,079
Are we entering a junk new new junk wax era.

672
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: So everyone talks about the junk wax era, and then

673
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:51,199
that's it's cards out there. I mean, also, what's how

674
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,760
big is the population now than it was in the eighties? Right,

675
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,800
how much bigger is the population now than the eighties?

676
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,400
So we have more individuals that can buy cards than

677
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,760
they could. Then, well, I say that with cards, prices

678
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,239
also grow up, so maybe go up, maybe not so

679
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,679
many more people.

680
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 4: Can buy cards because of the prices, but.

681
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 3: They're they're the junk wax era. You know that that

682
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:15,280
discussion happens all the time, and it's it's true, it's there.

683
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,119
There's a lot because how much more retails out there,

684
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,239
how much you know, you know, individuals don't care. There's

685
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,719
not there's a fraction individuals out there that still care

686
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,719
about putting sets together, the whole pastime of car collecting,

687
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,920
putting sets together. But so many individuals they you know,

688
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:34,679
these companies came out with breakers to lights for that

689
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,880
reason of not having all that fluff of all the

690
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,440
base because some of the you know, these breakers and

691
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,360
these individuals are opening just want the quick adrenaline rush

692
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,840
of hitting some cards.

693
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: They got rid of all that stuff.

694
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,199
Speaker 3: So there are still plenty of products out there that

695
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,639
have all the extra stuff. And that's why people. You know,

696
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,599
if you see modern individuals saying this is the junk

697
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:57,280
wax era, it's because they're opening products that have a

698
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,079
ton of base and they just don't care for it.

699
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 2: And there's good stuff in the base. And the other

700
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,880
thing when I hear about you know, Breaker's Delight, And

701
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,960
I just thought about this. Fifteen years ago, a company

702
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,480
called in the Game, which was originally it was doctor

703
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,599
Brian Price who took who found in the nineties the

704
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:24,159
Parkhurst label and became Parkhurst. They did a product basically

705
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:27,119
called only the Hits something to that effect, and the

706
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:30,159
only thing in those products were relics and autographs. So

707
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,480
that's already so that's that's not even something new in

708
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:37,000
the hobby. We're just making it go to another level

709
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:43,480
with Breakers Delights. I'm fine with cards in the in

710
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:50,119
Target and Walmart, because for some people those are their show.

711
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,800
There are their stores. Not everybody as nice as lucky

712
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,159
enough to live near a whole bunch of card stores.

713
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,400
And if you don't live next to a whole bunch

714
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,639
of card stores, I know Chris Harris, who's been on

715
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:05,760
our Paris panel, talks about how it's a couple hours

716
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,719
for him to go to a card store, and so

717
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,480
if you don't live in newer card store, that becomes

718
00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:12,599
your basic card store.

719
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:15,559
Speaker 4: It's a convenience.

720
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 3: I give the analogy of you know, going to a

721
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,480
gas station and getting a gallon of milk is what

722
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:26,519
three times as much as if you went to the

723
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:28,679
grocery store and get a gallon milk, because these are

724
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,400
a convenience opportunity for you to open packs. It's the

725
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,199
same conceptence that going the LCS or buying it online

726
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,559
on the whole sale, you know, at some of those

727
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:40,519
places where it's cheaper. You know the same thing of

728
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:44,199
going online and having a breaker open it for you, like, okay,

729
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,559
you can go buy it cheaper anywhere online and have

730
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:49,239
it you're going to get a ship to you in

731
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,039
three days or however long you want to take to

732
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:52,599
get there, or you can buy it for a few

733
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:56,480
more dollars right here, right now, right. It's that convenience factor.

734
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: And by the way, whoever I said Charlie was the

735
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,159
big dumper was absolutely correct. She just had to go

736
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:03,960
out again.

737
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: All right, so my next question here, No, I didn't

738
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,039
do another question, all right, So a couple of folks

739
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:16,760
did say I missed the eighties, I missed the seventies,

740
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:23,599
and honestly, I personally am all for the product, just

741
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,840
not even there being a hitless product that we can

742
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,559
just get cards because you know, I'm not in it

743
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:35,880
for gambling, so you know, I would love to be

744
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,000
able to cheaply collect some of the modern players.

745
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,519
Speaker 3: So and that's what that's where the singles market. It's

746
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:45,960
great for you, right John, Like you going out and

747
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:47,480
find out.

748
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: That's all I do now? So a band. I mean

749
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,840
I tried out packs when I first came back, and

750
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,400
it's like this isn't for me, and now it's nothing

751
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,039
but singles.

752
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 4: It's the ecosystem.

753
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: You have the individuals that will spend the thousands dollars

754
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:04,800
to buy the boxes and pull the dollar cards for

755
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,440
you to buy later and be like thank you for

756
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,360
getting him out of the pack from their pack homes

757
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,440
and coming to my home now, right, That's how the

758
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:12,800
constant rotation is.

759
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: Okay. So I used to do box reviews for Sports

760
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,559
Collectors Daily back in the day, and one year ten

761
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:26,760
twelve years ago, there was a birthday group one of

762
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:32,119
the forums, and I was a member of it, and

763
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:35,000
I got sent an eighty two dollars box for my birthday,

764
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,920
and I actually got five Ripkens out of the box.

765
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,280
But my wife, who would open some of the packs,

766
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,639
went to me, where are the hits? And I had

767
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:44,880
to explained to her that the eighty two Ripken was

768
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,880
the hit, was the best possible hit you could get

769
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,079
out of the box, because she wasn't gonna find an

770
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:52,239
autograph for a relic card in that box. So you know,

771
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,599
there's a lot of and I'm just going to say,

772
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:58,199
she's a newer collector, so we're gonna see that there

773
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,199
are a lot of newer collectors who weren't around when

774
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,440
they when boxes didn't have hits. They don't know the

775
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,280
world before relics and autographs.

776
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, that's what I mean on it to be

777
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:14,960
really honestly, that's what brought me back in in two

778
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,119
thousand and eight as an adult. I back when when

779
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:20,199
I was a kid with with my dad and my brother,

780
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,199
we were opening packs. We were taking the Post upc

781
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,480
sending them in and Post Cereal would send us the

782
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:28,719
small little packs in the mail and everything, right, we

783
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,679
would do all that fun stuff. We'd have a ton

784
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,760
of post zero around the house, sugar smacks and stuff

785
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,800
like that because we wanted those cards to come in

786
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,360
the mail. That was something cool that me and my

787
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,000
dad collected and then went through some tough times in

788
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:45,360
the army and stuff like that. In one of the

789
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,960
days in two thousand and eight, someone was at work

790
00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:50,280
with the with there was a family day and someone

791
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,920
brought a kid in with their kid in and they

792
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,519
were opening eight tops chrome baseball and I'm like, I

793
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:58,119
remember doing that with my dad. And then an autograph

794
00:43:58,159 --> 00:43:59,880
came out and I'm like, I don't remember that though,

795
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,239
So then I started looking more into it and it

796
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,159
got more back into this industry because that one little

797
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:09,119
instance I remembered something. But it's evolved into this other

798
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:11,519
stuff and it's just it's just blossom from there.

799
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: Acuter with the great typo of the day.

800
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we'll just let people read that one.

801
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,840
All right, I think they're ready to move on to

802
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:42,679
our fourth listed topic. Here. Let me throw it again

803
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,599
out there. If anybody wants to join us, you are welcome.

804
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,599
Just click that stream yard link and you'll be popping

805
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:53,320
on screen with us here. But let's move on. There

806
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,119
is a forty nine leaf Jackie Robinson. That's a PSA seven.

807
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,719
There's only fifty higher rate is up for auction starting

808
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:08,880
Tuesday night, and a Pristine auction Live Elite. Uh. I

809
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,360
might be ticking off Alex's sponsor here, but I could

810
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,920
not help myself. And I need to just stay true

811
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,199
to our vintage community. And I got a game for

812
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:24,360
us to play. Here we go. Which card looks better?

813
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:33,320
Is it a B or C? Oh?

814
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:41,159
Speaker 4: Clearly clearly to be. Give me a second, quick eye appeal,

815
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:42,960
it's just the colors, better be.

816
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: Give me a second to pull. Pull, pull this big

817
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,039
screen up. I'm gonna look on. I'm gonna look on

818
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:54,840
the stream. I've turned the sound down for the stream

819
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,519
of course. Now, of course, I get all these ads

820
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:02,440
on my way to Hobby Hotline and okay, there we go.

821
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:06,239
It all looks good. I mean, you know, they all

822
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,599
look they all look good.

823
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: I feel like you brought the tent up on one

824
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,039
for a reason.

825
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:12,159
Speaker 4: I'm just saying.

826
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: I think the You know, one thing with forty nine

827
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:17,840
leaf is you can see every card.

828
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: Is color printing differences that can be quite arrange with

829
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,480
that set.

830
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,639
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean there was a great There was

831
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:28,159
a great book written on forty nine leaf, and he

832
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,880
went through the circle, he went through a lot of

833
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:34,800
people interviewing him, and forty nine leaf's a fascinating set.

834
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:36,760
I kind of like the one in the middle of

835
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,480
the best. It just to me it looks the best.

836
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:40,039
But that's me.

837
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: And what would you say, look second best?

838
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:46,519
Speaker 2: I would say the one on the right because the

839
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,920
color is sharper. And to me, the one I like

840
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,960
the least is the one on the left because it

841
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:56,239
just looks more the yellow looks more faded.

842
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: All right, everybody ready for the reveal?

843
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I already know where this is going. Just

844
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:06,639
letting you know.

845
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: The card on the left is the PSA seven that

846
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,280
is up for sale. The card in the middle is

847
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:18,440
that very special one that sold this just what a

848
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:23,599
couple of weeks ago for twenty seven thousand, and the

849
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:28,840
card on the right sold in December in Ria for

850
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,000
twenty five thousand. So B and C are right now

851
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:37,719
the highest sold card in that particular grade and within

852
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,800
the past year. And then the expectation for a card

853
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,679
that has a seven on the label is to be

854
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,679
somewhere in the neighborhood of ninety thousand.

855
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:56,519
Speaker 3: So yeah, so I get get I get the point

856
00:47:56,519 --> 00:47:58,679
you're going that. Like with me and Pat Summons my

857
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,199
PC and everything, it's like a lot of stuff like

858
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,360
if this is a PC card for me, am I buying?

859
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,639
You buying the grade? Or are you buying the card right?

860
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,440
Or you buying I'm buying Pat's helm. I don't need

861
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:11,639
for my collection. I don't need graded cards. I don't

862
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:12,000
need to.

863
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 4: Be PSA ten. I just want them in my collection. Right.

864
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 3: The same concept with this is like if for a

865
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,800
Jackie collectors, just like, okay, you know, I don't need

866
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,199
it to be a seven, I just want it. But

867
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:25,440
when you go as a collector and you want to

868
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:28,639
visually display it, like of course that the middle one,

869
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:32,360
you know, just pops a lot more because of the

870
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,639
color easily.

871
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which is why it's sold more than a four.

872
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:37,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

873
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: So right now, the compass on that middle card versus

874
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:46,639
the highest sold four in the last year is that

875
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,480
one on the right, that's twenty five thousand.

876
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:53,599
Speaker 2: So the high Remember technical grade and real and I

877
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:57,360
appeal grade, especially in vented, you're two very different things.

878
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, the one looks comparable to what I

879
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,280
looked up. Is like there are seven nines that exist,

880
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:09,920
it is comparable to those ones. It just has a

881
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,039
mooky special pinhole. Is uh.

882
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:16,119
Speaker 3: What's wild is there's what twenty one hundred of these

883
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:24,519
cards graded total in pop count, So it'll be it'll

884
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:26,320
be interesting. It's gonna be very interesting to see a

885
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,639
card like this, you know, started a dollar auction and

886
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,079
see where it goes. See if that that room, how

887
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:34,440
much buzz that has, how many individuals are in there?

888
00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:37,400
Like I'm gonna be in just watching. I wish I

889
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,880
had been money about it myself, but I was.

890
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,159
Speaker 4: Kind of upset. I was really upset.

891
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: Is everyone if you don't know that, I am an

892
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,800
affiliate with Pristine Auction and everything, and they brought us

893
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,000
out for you know, headquarters tour. We went to spring training,

894
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,639
we went to Arizona State card show, was all on

895
00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:55,199
the same weekend. This card hasn't came in yet. They're

896
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,920
just like, we'd love for you guys to do something

897
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,679
on it, you know everything. I'm just like, I want

898
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:00,280
to hold it in my hand, Like I want to

899
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,320
hold this card in my hand. I want to see

900
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,599
it like, I'll do stuff online for and stuff, but

901
00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:06,599
I want to physically see this card and it wasn't

902
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:08,079
there yet, so it was upset about it.

903
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:16,559
Speaker 1: All right, Well, you might like me even less here

904
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:20,159
with the next slide, but I would love if you've

905
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:22,960
got an audience with them doing choir as to what's

906
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,400
going on here. Uh So I saw how they were

907
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:34,480
advertising the card in a video on Facebook and they

908
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:38,239
zoomed in tight with the card, and then I captured

909
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:43,199
a still image of how that looked, and this is

910
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:50,280
how it looked when in their video. So what's the

911
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:55,280
deal here? It's like the light it's so bright it

912
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,039
hides every flow in.

913
00:50:58,119 --> 00:50:58,679
Speaker 4: That's true.

914
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,679
Speaker 3: You can you clearly, you can clearly tell it there.

915
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,920
You know, that's the deception a lot of these you know,

916
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,360
certain companies and stuff can throw out there and everything

917
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,039
and it can be the lighting trying to make it

918
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:13,679
look incredible, right, you know, for the buzz and everything.

919
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,840
But again, so the audience that you're bringing in for

920
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,800
this type of card, or you think more people are

921
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,760
coming in to bit on this card because of the

922
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,400
I appeal, or you think more people are coming in

923
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:25,840
to bit on this card because of the great and

924
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:26,639
the rarity of it.

925
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,079
Speaker 1: That's probably what ends up happening. When you have a

926
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:33,239
card this expensive, people are just care about the number

927
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:38,400
on the slab. Honestly, the collective community would much rather

928
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:39,599
have that beautiful one.

929
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and these auction houses, they they all

930
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:48,320
of them, not just pristine, every single one of them.

931
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,880
They want to be the highest one. I mean, there's

932
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,159
certain ones out there that just the egos just through

933
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:57,119
the roof. Right, we all know who he is that

934
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,000
just has to be bigger. I don't understand why he

935
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:04,760
always does knife fans, but uh, they're always trying to

936
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:08,000
outdo each other, and that's great competition. The people that

937
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:11,320
have these cards, that's great for them. You know, hopefully

938
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,360
they get the highest that they can get for it.

939
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,679
You know, kudos to that that seller.

940
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's okay, So sorry, I couldn't resist. I

941
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:27,880
know you're about an affiliation, but this.

942
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:33,159
Speaker 3: Is it's an open, open form and everything. And then yeah,

943
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:34,239
I'm all for it.

944
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,119
Speaker 1: All right, So that is our plan show. Did we

945
00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:42,679
want to we're not full hour yet, did you want

946
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,360
to read briefly to mention about the football cards? Yeah?

947
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: I think we you know, and remember in this is

948
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:56,920
the twenty eighth, so in three days. In four days,

949
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:04,519
Fanatics takes over the fell football license. And as pointed out,

950
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,400
how many of us in the world, now I'm not

951
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,400
talking about in this chat, I guarantee you there's a

952
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,159
ton of collectors looking so forward to tops and Bowman

953
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,800
chrome football of NFL players, just like there was back

954
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:19,559
in the nineties.

955
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so we kind of see a preview happening, right.

956
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,039
You know what they're doing with Bowman basketball, what they'll

957
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:31,599
probably do with Bowman football down the road too. One

958
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:33,960
of the questions I had was like when they got

959
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,599
those college licenses, when they were doing Bowman with just

960
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:41,000
college products, making those Bowmen first, I'm like, will they

961
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:44,760
eventually do the same thing like they used to with

962
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,320
the Bowman and everything. Are they going to do that

963
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,519
with the NFL aspect or the NBA aspect?

964
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 4: Right?

965
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 3: Well, you know, Bowman basketball is coming out and it's

966
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,159
going to have both college and football in it. So

967
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:58,239
the Bowman first will be the college and then the

968
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,760
rookies are going to be all in there, so they

969
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,280
can do the same with football. Now, Panini, if you

970
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,559
guys that if individuals there that know the the current

971
00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:09,000
you know, modern market. They saw Panini Black Football come out.

972
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,400
Not one active player was in that in that product

973
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,639
because we I no one, no informations came out or whatever.

974
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,039
But apparently they might have lost the NBA rights to

975
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,760
do use active players, and so that whole product is

976
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,280
retired or n I L players. So some of the

977
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,320
shifting was already happening. And I believe the new product

978
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,480
that just came out from them, to Silhouette for Football

979
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,280
is the same exact thing. It's all retired or nil players.

980
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:42,239
There's no active players in the whole product, so it's.

981
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,039
Speaker 1: Not going to sell very well.

982
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 3: And then and then I made a video on it.

983
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,320
You know, I was just like, you know, trying this.

984
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,880
I mean, there are they They pumped it with the mangas,

985
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,039
the color blast, all those case hits that you know,

986
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:54,840
push out that the main chase is. Of course, my

987
00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:58,360
collection is Pat Toeman. I made a manga of him.

988
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,559
So I was just like, great, that's a thirty thousand

989
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:03,039
dollars card. Because everyone you know wants to pump it up.

990
00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 4: I'll never have.

991
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:07,679
Speaker 1: Wait six months to a year, right, and then the

992
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:09,039
whole product will be worth.

993
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 3: Nothing, correct, And that's what I said, if people are

994
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,960
so focused in the modern market on rookies, they are,

995
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,360
and you know the big, bigger players like Mahomes and

996
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,719
stuff like that, right like that, it's gonna be hard,

997
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,800
but it's great for the resale market for the individuals

998
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,440
that collect Jerome Bettis and Calvin Johnson and you know

999
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:32,199
all these other individual Hall of Famers that are that

1000
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,159
are in these products. They get some cool cards for

1001
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,000
those type of collectors or even the team collections. So

1002
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:41,599
you know, the announcements of you know, the the tops products.

1003
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:45,800
We've seen some previews spitting on social media with some

1004
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,880
of the players showing the cards early, like Matthew Golden

1005
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,519
showed him signing the sapphire chrome cards and stuff like

1006
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:53,679
that what they're gonna look like.

1007
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,519
Speaker 4: So in a month they were.

1008
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,559
Speaker 3: Gonna have start having that stuff trickle out, I believe,

1009
00:55:58,559 --> 00:55:59,800
and I'm excited to see it.

1010
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,079
Speaker 2: The one thing, the only thing I'm concerned about for

1011
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,800
the NFL and fanatics this year is it's such a

1012
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,840
quarterback driven league. And yes, they'll have all the experienced quarterbacks,

1013
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,159
but there a lot of times football is rookie card

1014
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:19,039
based and there's one, maybe two quarterbacks going to be

1015
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:23,639
drafted in the first round this year, and so one

1016
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:25,280
should be number one. I mean, it looks like the

1017
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:31,280
Raiders are going to draft their quarterback number one, and

1018
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,960
then there's supposedly only one other quarterback that may even be.

1019
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 4: A first round draft pick, Ty Simpson from Alaback, yep.

1020
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: And he and the stories about him are all over

1021
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:40,360
the place.

1022
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,639
Speaker 3: For Ty Simpson, Well, I've heard back and forth saying

1023
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:46,079
that those two are bumping up and down who's number

1024
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:49,760
one and number two? From the stuff I'm hearing. But again,

1025
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:54,960
how many first round quarterbacks, you know, end up playing

1026
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,199
for a long period of time.

1027
00:56:56,119 --> 00:56:56,639
Speaker 4: Like we every one.

1028
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,199
Speaker 3: We always will go back to Tom Brady being a

1029
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,719
sixth rounder, right and all the other jats. Like it's

1030
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,360
the generational talents there. You want to draft them, It's

1031
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,039
just you have to draft a team around them. Also,

1032
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:11,519
if you don't have that dynamic, that player is never

1033
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:14,719
going I mean, they can't be Superman. You got to

1034
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,280
have the O line, you gotta have the receivers to catch,

1035
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,840
You got to have a good running game to open

1036
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,039
up the passing game. So it's football is.

1037
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: Just both quarterbacks. I think this is and this has

1038
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:31,079
been proven in baseball and basketball and just about any sport.

1039
00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:35,000
The higher you're drafted, the more likely you are to

1040
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:42,280
have a great career. But it's not a given. Things happen, and.

1041
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: With the quarterback, you could have the strongest arm, be

1042
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:49,960
the fittest guy, but it's so much like the brain

1043
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:54,760
that separates the success from the failures at that position.

1044
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 3: So I don't think. I don't think so Mad City

1045
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:02,039
talked about that. I don't think they've they even they

1046
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:05,920
haven't officially announced anything yet with tops for the boxes

1047
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,880
yet or whatever for what products. So I'm speculating it

1048
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,199
probably will be soon. We don't we don't know. I'm

1049
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:15,920
wondering if an announcement comes out, maybe like right after

1050
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,000
the first A lot of these companies, Tops, Tops and

1051
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:22,280
Fanatics seems to they get out information as quick as

1052
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,039
possible because they want the hype it up, which is great,

1053
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:28,079
you know, get the you know, everyone's been waiting for Chrome.

1054
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 4: Everyone wants chrome. We love tops chrome.

1055
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:33,639
Speaker 3: And I've seen a lot more individuals, you know, on

1056
00:58:33,679 --> 00:58:36,360
the social media side, you know, YouTube and other places

1057
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,599
that are they're opening older Chrome products because they're in preparation.

1058
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:42,239
It was like, we're getting we're gonna get back to

1059
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:43,880
opening this stuff. This is pretty cool.

1060
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,199
Speaker 1: Oh real quick, did you catch yank me Kurd Steve?

1061
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,599
I think he served with a Kent trestler in the

1062
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:55,039
US Air Force? Is that a relation? Is what he

1063
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:55,559
is wondering.

1064
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 3: There's no no relation, So I was trying to think.

1065
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:01,639
Speaker 4: I didn't.

1066
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:04,159
Speaker 3: I don't know anyone under that time frame. So my

1067
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,480
uncle Robert was in the Air Force. It was well

1068
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:10,679
before that thing. I think might've been around that time

1069
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,760
he was in the Air Force. But we're from Maryland,

1070
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,400
Maryland aspect Maryland, Lower Pa. That's where my family's.

1071
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: From, all right. And then the other thing I thought

1072
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,960
was wondering is are they gonna be mixing the nil

1073
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:30,400
guys with the NFL and the same product like they're

1074
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:31,480
doing with basketball now?

1075
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:32,159
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1076
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 3: I think that aspect depends on who has the licenses,

1077
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,599
Like I don't know how many player licenses Panini has.

1078
00:59:39,639 --> 00:59:42,519
Like we saw what they're already doing. They're doing it

1079
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:46,039
with basketball. They're gonna they're still have exclusive players with

1080
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:50,400
basketball and they're making basketball products that is unlicensed. Are

1081
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,480
they going to do the same for football? We don't

1082
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:55,360
know what we're going to see probably shortly after if

1083
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:56,440
they start doing it.

1084
00:59:56,639 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: My thought any of those licenses would instantly fall apart

1085
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,199
once they come members of the league. Then they fall

1086
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,199
under the NBA players associating, wouldn't.

1087
01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:09,079
Speaker 3: They You would think, And but you know, going back

1088
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:11,639
to you know, the modern market, everyone cares about their

1089
01:00:11,639 --> 01:00:14,280
first cards these days, right, so they're like, we're gonna

1090
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,880
get our money for you know, this player having his

1091
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,639
first cards, like the Boozer player Boozer twins for for Duke,

1092
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,480
their first cards. Their only cards are in Leaf products

1093
01:00:23,519 --> 01:00:26,280
right now, right, they're not in any other ones because

1094
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:27,400
they were Leief exclusive.

1095
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: So I see the emails from Leaf every time Duke

1096
01:00:33,079 --> 01:00:34,159
has a basketball game.

1097
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that that's smart aspect by them.

1098
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,719
If they're going to be they're expect to be big players.

1099
01:00:39,719 --> 01:00:42,000
They're getting in front of the game. There's people, there's

1100
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:46,559
kids getting exclusive deals in high school prior to even

1101
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:50,280
signing after they sign with with colleges and stuff.

1102
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 4: It's wild.

1103
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm glad they're getting paid, But I mean,

1104
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,559
and I just read I read ones piano and I

1105
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:03,000
don't remember the guy's name. I think he's in Louisiana.

1106
01:01:03,719 --> 01:01:07,480
He's got like his seventh year of college football eligibility

1107
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:12,760
to play this year for I believe Mississippi. I mean,

1108
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,320
it's just astounding.

1109
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,599
Speaker 1: All right, thank you everyone in the chat for joining

1110
01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:24,519
us this morning. Lots of great comments from all of you,

1111
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:29,480
so thank you for that. Last words, what you got

1112
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:30,199
coming up? Rich?

1113
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: As I said, the Waxed Empire Restores has a trade

1114
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,960
night tonight, so I'm going to pop into one of

1115
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,480
them just to say Hi, I'm going to buy something

1116
01:01:41,519 --> 01:01:45,039
heritage while i'm there. For twenty twenty six heritages out

1117
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:47,920
and I've seen some of the cards online and even

1118
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,480
the base cards look super, so I'm definitely excited to

1119
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:56,239
get something in twenty twenty six heritage today. And and

1120
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,239
then next week is an Easter Sunday weekends, so I

1121
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:02,519
don't have much. But then there's a three hundred table

1122
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:07,039
show run by NTX the following weekend, so that should

1123
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:09,360
be a fun show to go to. And I'm sure

1124
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,320
I'll be, you know, doing other hobby things as well,

1125
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,400
but for now, that's what I do. And I also

1126
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:20,119
do a local newsletter for the DFW area, which I'm

1127
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:23,039
amazed by how much stuff's locally and I didn't even

1128
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:26,400
catch everything for April April, and there's still a lot

1129
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:27,440
of stuff going on.

1130
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: All right, how about you, Alex.

1131
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:33,159
Speaker 3: Taking a few weeks off because of course I got

1132
01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:35,679
a lot of shows and stuff. I'm back on here

1133
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,840
April eleventh, so it's a quick few weeks turnaround, which

1134
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,559
is pretty good. But I think the next show I'm

1135
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:44,159
going to is the Pittsburgh Draft show by next up,

1136
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,760
you know, same weekend as the Draft in Pittsburgh. So

1137
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,360
that's going to be pretty cool. That's something you know

1138
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,000
down the road, you know, Hobby Hotline can actually talk

1139
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:54,360
about that. You know how cool it is to have

1140
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,400
a show, you know there at the same time. Then

1141
01:02:56,519 --> 01:02:59,000
right after that, hopefully I'm out WrestleMania, so hopefully I'll

1142
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,880
be able to go out there and have fun in WrestleMania.

1143
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: So that should be fun, all right, So what about you? Yeah, So,

1144
01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:11,840
as it turns out from the random draw, I'm actually

1145
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:17,480
hosting this show again next Saturday, And on top of that,

1146
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:22,119
I am hosting the Four Collectors live stream tomorrow night,

1147
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:27,400
starting at nine Eastern. I have assembled all of this

1148
01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:31,400
year's inductees to the YouTube Sports Card Hall of Fame

1149
01:03:31,519 --> 01:03:35,679
and which I'm gonna do some cards showing of some

1150
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,360
meaningful cards talk about you know, how grateful we are

1151
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,360
really for our YouTube experience is the focus of that.

1152
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:45,920
So'd be great for you to join us, ask us

1153
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:51,719
questions that should be fun. And oh, a big item

1154
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:56,000
on there is that part of the inductees is been

1155
01:03:56,199 --> 01:04:00,840
from dead guy Cardboard, who in twelve years on YouTube

1156
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,719
has never actually shown his face. He is going to

1157
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:05,480
be on camera.

1158
01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:09,559
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I put it on my calendar

1159
01:04:09,559 --> 01:04:11,440
to stop in there to ask why no one voted

1160
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,559
me in since I was in that other category, you know,

1161
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:18,599
my YouTube channel. That's all right, I'm reviving my YouTube

1162
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:22,440
channel again, you know. So maybe down the road or whatever.

1163
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:25,800
But hey, a collector's dream, you know. Seriously. He's on

1164
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,400
Live with Jeremy Lee tonight. Make sure you check in

1165
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,239
on that too. Jeremy Leaves Lives are always great.

1166
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:33,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's always a fun show.

1167
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:40,559
Speaker 2: So I'm on Jeremy Lee's show every five years.

1168
01:04:39,559 --> 01:04:43,079
Speaker 1: All right, So everybody, thank you for watching. Well, we'll

1169
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:53,000
see you next time on Hobby Hotline.