Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What? What's going to happen? What?
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. In this episode, I got
Speaker 2: a bunch of people joining us today. I got Lisa
Speaker 2: the cult reject, mad scientist herself. I got the Headless Giant,
Speaker 2: I got the o g Robbie Marx, we got Ethan Indigo,
Speaker 2: and we got two guests joining us tonight. We got
Speaker 2: one from One on One podcast. We had him on
Speaker 2: to talk about the Homoculous and I really wanted to
Speaker 2: get him back on it that We had a good chat.
Speaker 2: And we got the og himself too, Paul Joseph Ravelli.
Speaker 2: We've had him on the show before. He's got a
Speaker 2: bunch of books, He's got these own gnastic church. If
Speaker 2: you haven't listened to that episode yet, I highly suggest
Speaker 2: to go turn this one off, go back listen to
Speaker 2: that one, and then come back to this one. But
Speaker 2: uh yeah, Paul, thank you very much for coming on,
Speaker 2: and one I really appreciate it as well. Real quick,
Speaker 2: I'll let you two guys plug your show one real quick.
Speaker 2: Let everybody know where they can find all your amazing work.
Speaker 3: Please, sir, appreciate you having me on that you can
Speaker 3: find me at tj www dot tj ojp dot com.
Speaker 3: All my stuff is on there, and I'm everywhere you
Speaker 3: can find a podcast, YouTube, rumble, all that good stuff.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course you want to promote, like any
Speaker 2: of the type of stuff that you actually talk about
Speaker 2: on your show, because I might interest some of my listeners.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I talk about whatever interests me, but mostly I
Speaker 3: talk about the occult.
Speaker 4: Esoteric magic, mostly alchemy.
Speaker 3: Maybe some conspiracy sprinkled in there every now and again,
Speaker 3: but honestly, honestly, it's whatever I find interesting at the time,
Speaker 3: but mostly that's history and the occult.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Good for you, man, Good for you, and thanks
Speaker 2: again for coming on and let everybody know where they
Speaker 2: can find you. And I guess maybe give a little
Speaker 2: bit of a background about like what your deal is.
Speaker 2: I mean, he is an author and he has a
Speaker 2: ton of books, So if you want to promote any
Speaker 2: of those, please go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, if you want, since this is what
Speaker 1: we're talking about, I could start with, you know, the
Speaker 1: Lima and the Greek Kabbala, and if you come to
Speaker 1: our church you get the really dumbass original print of that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, But go for this when
Speaker 1: online it's better. But you know, I figured i'd be
Speaker 1: a little bit of a salesman there and start there.
Speaker 1: The Alemic Kabbala, which you wanted to talk about today,
Speaker 1: has these fascinating covers in different colors for all four volumes,
Speaker 1: so i'd show you the other three. But you know
Speaker 1: you got the idea. Yes, yes, find my books on
Speaker 1: Amazon dot com. I have a blog under my full
Speaker 1: name Paul Joseph Rovelli at blogspot dot com dot blogspot
Speaker 1: dot com something like that. G C l v X
Speaker 1: dot org is our main website where you can learn
Speaker 1: a lot about us. We're called the Gnostic Church of Light.
Speaker 1: I founded it the first fully owned and operating Gnostic
Speaker 1: church on the continents of the Americas. And we're very
Speaker 1: active on Reddit, we we we and Facebook. We do
Speaker 1: some on x and some on tumblr, uh, and we
Speaker 1: have a major YouTube channel. The Nastic Church of Light.
Speaker 1: Light is spelled l dot V dot X dot so
Speaker 1: that you know we pronounce it light. It's looks the
Speaker 1: Latin word for light, but put an abbreviation for some
Speaker 1: cabalistic reasons. And that's a small synopsis of you know,
Speaker 1: my last three days of living.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you nice. So yeah, I do know. We
Speaker 2: were thinking about talking about I guess, uh, Thelema and
Speaker 2: the Greek Kabala, Thelemic and Greek Abala. But I know
Speaker 2: we also did talk about maybe talking about your past.
Speaker 2: So I guess it depends on really which one you
Speaker 2: want to go with first.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, do you wanna in order to talk
Speaker 1: about Kabbala? We're talking about a spiritual process with Thelema.
Speaker 1: The importance came to understanding the important Kabalistic concepts, but
Speaker 1: removing the Judaic religion from those concepts, okay. And that's
Speaker 1: the only way to begin to understand Thelema in its
Speaker 1: origin kabbalistically speaking, and then you have to trace that
Speaker 1: back through Greek culture. In the Western mystery tradition, Thelema
Speaker 1: is very syncretic, so it takes from the superstitious Abrahamic culture.
Speaker 1: At the same time, Crowley was still at his root,
Speaker 1: very obsessed with Christianity. He was just trying to repair
Speaker 1: it so to speak. Okay, Motive would write that, you know,
Speaker 1: Theelamites would call ourselves the true Christians. I'm not so
Speaker 1: sure I agree with that because I'm an anti Christian
Speaker 1: kind of a guy, and so I don't I see
Speaker 1: a grave problem with the Jesus ed grigor as Mota
Speaker 1: wrote about. And I see the slave mentality that the
Speaker 1: whole concept of morality and the Abrahamic religions, you know,
Speaker 1: bring into our culture. And that doesn't you know, Hinduism does.
Speaker 1: This has the same problem in India. And so it
Speaker 1: requires really in a sense, that much of an understanding
Speaker 1: just to get to some basic concepts and then I
Speaker 1: try to take it all except further after really, you know,
Speaker 1: after really spending a lot of time with thelemic concepts
Speaker 1: and thelemic numbers and this, and that there's still a
Speaker 1: place to go with all that work. There there is
Speaker 1: a speculative nature to the Kabbalah. I think that's the
Speaker 1: best way to say it. And speculative metaphysics is the rule.
Speaker 1: The Western mystery tradition has a philosophy, you know, built
Speaker 1: off of you know, this speculative metaphysics. It goes through
Speaker 1: our universities. So you have to begin to understand this
Speaker 1: path through our trying to engage with the spirit in
Speaker 1: our culture. And so we create filmic culture and in
Speaker 1: four volumes. I delineate a lot of things. You could
Speaker 1: go online and just you know, you'll find all I
Speaker 1: think the introductions and indexes for all the four books.
Speaker 1: So and some of them, probably all of them you
Speaker 1: can find for free somewhere online. Read it. You know,
Speaker 1: we always appreciate the sale because you get a hardcover book,
Speaker 1: or you can get an electronic book, and the funds
Speaker 1: go to our church, which is expensive, and so we
Speaker 1: you know, we consider every buyer of one of our
Speaker 1: books a member of the congregation.
Speaker 5: Paul I had a quick question, what do you think
Speaker 5: about the Abrahamic influences in the PGM, because I know
Speaker 5: that played a huge influence in the formulation of the LIMA.
Speaker 1: Uh do you try to the acronym PGM.
Speaker 5: Or the the what are they called the Greek hermetic documents?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were.
Speaker 5: There were fragments found, Uh with Greek spells.
Speaker 1: You broke up there a little bit. Say that again, it's.
Speaker 5: The agent fragments found that have these Greek spells on them.
Speaker 5: It's the Greek magical papyri. Oh, yeah, I probably have
Speaker 5: electronic copies.
Speaker 1: I didn't know they put that all into a book,
Speaker 1: but I probably have electronic copies of it. Same problem
Speaker 1: with the Greek papyri that we have with all the
Speaker 1: medieval texts, all the medieval grimoires. You know, they're all
Speaker 1: a distraction. You know, they're there to weed out the gullible,
Speaker 1: you know, just get rid of them. And so you'll
Speaker 1: see all these online groups and whatever, and they're you know, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I evoked the spirit of tap Theathirath last night,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, and we're part of the
Speaker 1: left hand path. Hey, let's say abby whatever, and this
Speaker 1: is all populous bullshit, you know, the medieval grimoires or
Speaker 1: formulas that. Think about it, if I got to those
Speaker 1: grimoires first, and somebody had to have written them, so
Speaker 1: somebody got to the long before me. But just if
Speaker 1: I got them. And I'm going to be really frank
Speaker 1: and honest with you, Okay, I'm gonna live forever. I'm
Speaker 1: going to have the most best body you ever saw.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have every beautiful girl on the surface of
Speaker 1: the earth. Sorry, guys. I'm gonna have all the money, Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm going to own the only big cruise liner and
Speaker 1: everybody else will be a part of my army. Okay,
Speaker 1: and nobody will ever be able to do magic, because
Speaker 1: isn't that where it would take you? You know, So
Speaker 1: why isn't somebody there already? Why didn't they beat us
Speaker 1: to the punch? So, whether you want to do Greco
Speaker 1: Roman sigoles and number spells and letter and number of
Speaker 1: tablets and things like that, or you want to you know,
Speaker 1: you know, draw the Solomonic seals and dance up and
Speaker 1: down in a rubber suit, doesn't you know I'm saying, see,
Speaker 1: you're not ready for the world.
Speaker 2: Do you think of something I do want to ask you, Paul,
Speaker 2: real quick? Is it's something that I've thought that a
Speaker 2: lot of that stuff actually isn't needed to have a
Speaker 2: magical experience.
Speaker 1: Well, no, Now, we can use those sigils very effectively
Speaker 1: when we understand that they are spirits that come from
Speaker 1: our own psyche. And when you go into the magic
Speaker 1: mirror and you evoke that spirit, you're evoking a part
Speaker 1: of yourself. And the idea is to bring balance to
Speaker 1: the personality. But now here's the problem.
Speaker 6: How do you know.
Speaker 1: When your personality can even understand what balance is? You know,
Speaker 1: because you're not allowed informal magic to do any of
Speaker 1: that work before you've had the knowledge and conversation, and
Speaker 1: that's a frighteningly profound experience. I don't care how different
Speaker 1: it is for everybody, and all these people that run
Speaker 1: around going well, I've had the knowledge of conversation, my
Speaker 1: holy Guardian Angel forever and ever, and they've gotten you know,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe the number of contacts I get from
Speaker 1: various AA lineage is trying to you know, beg for
Speaker 1: the alms of my envy and or seek my approval
Speaker 1: that I'll validate their great because when we're in the
Speaker 1: same club we pat each other on the back, You'll
Speaker 1: recognize me as grand Pooba and I'll be vice grand
Speaker 1: Pooba or Grandpoopa advices the way these things work.
Speaker 2: In right, So, uh, what what do you since you
Speaker 2: have Thelemic and Greek kabala? I mean, is there any
Speaker 2: other things that like maybe you could touch on that
Speaker 2: makes Thelema cabbala thelemic?
Speaker 7: I guess, well, everything's kabala, you know, I think that's
Speaker 7: a wonderful place to start, right, Everything you know is
Speaker 7: has come from symbols and sigils and images and thoughts
Speaker 7: and feelings and receptions.
Speaker 1: This is the kabbala. You know we read right across
Speaker 1: the screen. Everybody's got their little name thing there. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Those are all symbols. That's a
Speaker 1: collection of symbols and how we use them. Because I
Speaker 1: could put together a string of choice words and all
Speaker 1: of you will say, oh, show's over now.
Speaker 2: Right before, depending on what sound comes out of your
Speaker 2: mouth makes somebody think and feel differently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's magic. That's kabbala. Now when we start
Speaker 1: to bring those numbers and letters into holy texts, when
Speaker 1: we start to find a way to get holy texts
Speaker 1: to bring out that which is within us, you know,
Speaker 1: that very inner spirit that ultimately will become our angel.
Speaker 1: But through these holy texts we begin to get contact
Speaker 1: with that, we begin to inspire ourselves forward. You know
Speaker 1: the Greek word inspired, taking in spirit inspire, and through
Speaker 1: that inspiration there is a spiritual ecstasy. And that's part
Speaker 1: of the experience of the angel too. But beware, because
Speaker 1: there's a trap there. There are plenty of astral junkies
Speaker 1: out there that are just tracing the rush of their
Speaker 1: next intense spiritual experience. So chances are your early experiences
Speaker 1: they're all going to feel like the end of the journey.
Speaker 1: You've arrived. You're one of us, and you really just
Speaker 1: found your way to the beginning. Okay, this is a deep,
Speaker 1: long path that I'm sorry for the younger among you there.
Speaker 1: You're not going to see it until you get older.
Speaker 1: But thank the Gods that you guys are starting this
Speaker 1: thought now, because when you get older, it's too late,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's important because the Kabbala should produce
Speaker 1: ultimately from the master cabbalist new nosis. Without new nosis,
Speaker 1: no magical lodge is worth its fruit. Without new nosis,
Speaker 1: nobody has the authority to lead anything. If you're going
Speaker 1: to rely on the nosis of dead masters, you're p
Speaker 1: to sing necromancy. I got a sermon on that necromancy.
Speaker 1: It's not what you think that's interesting. Paul.
Speaker 6: Can you tell us where is your place and maybe
Speaker 6: tell us about it.
Speaker 1: We live at twelve Factory Hill Road, and our church
Speaker 1: is at eight Factory Hill Road in Hoosick Falls, New York.
Speaker 1: We're upstate New York, about six miles outside of the
Speaker 1: Bennington Vermont border. I work in shop in Bennington, do
Speaker 1: most of my shopping online. Bennington's closed. It's fucking the
Speaker 1: boondocks we're in. We've got you know, three acres with
Speaker 1: the two buildings we've got. We live in beauty. Our
Speaker 1: church has been attacked by the extreme radical Christianity that
Speaker 1: exists in this area called fundamentalism. But we sit in
Speaker 1: the woods where all the new American religions started, from
Speaker 1: Transcendentalism to Mormonism. You know, even Blavatsky came up here
Speaker 1: in New York City, really, you know, but so the
Speaker 1: hub of all of American intellectual culture, but specifically it's
Speaker 1: unique churches. All the fundamentalist churches that are now the
Speaker 1: Bible Belt started here. So you can get an idea
Speaker 1: of how much danger we're in. Actually, our building hasn't
Speaker 1: been attacked for some time, but you know we're still
Speaker 1: finding like beer cans on my car when I go
Speaker 1: to work in the morning. You know, there's issues, and
Speaker 1: they still talk about us in town and you know people,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't put my piano lesson cards up
Speaker 1: on the local billboards because you know, I am persona
Speaker 1: on Garda the I used to teach in the school here.
Speaker 1: The kids started sending me death threats. We're in bizarre
Speaker 1: land for that. Now, that doesn't mean, anybody that comes
Speaker 1: here is in any physical danger, you know, coming to
Speaker 1: a service in broad daylight. But the night can be
Speaker 1: another story here.
Speaker 2: So that's a quick question.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: The concept of using the dead master's knowledge, wouldn't this
Speaker 3: because you're talking about necromancene. I find that super interesting
Speaker 3: because isn't that all of religion itself, Like, aren't we
Speaker 3: this is coming from a Pentecostal worldview, aren't we using
Speaker 3: dead people's knowledge? And that's what religion essentially is.
Speaker 1: And I mean that's the problem with all the dead religions,
Speaker 1: all worshiping dead masters, and they're worshiping his spiritual experience
Speaker 1: in lieu of having their own, because they're frightened of
Speaker 1: having their own. So they believe in the superstition that
Speaker 1: keeps them nice. So they don't have to spend too
Speaker 1: much money on police. You'll just obey the law, even
Speaker 1: though your wife just did something really stupid and you
Speaker 1: want to slap or silly, you can't because Jesus is
Speaker 1: watching rather than the cop peeking in the window. And
Speaker 1: that's really what Christianity is. I mean, they even tell
Speaker 1: slaves to worship their masters. You know, it's a sick document.
Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean we can't learn from many past masters.
Speaker 1: We can even take the fraudulent character of Jesus and
Speaker 1: learn an awful lot from it. But those lessons are
Speaker 1: not necessarily so obvious, and the misinterpretation that has bled
Speaker 1: into us from fundamentalist culture. Let's put it this way.
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson said, every American must learn to read. And
Speaker 1: the only book every American owned was a Bible. So
Speaker 1: you got all these people reading the Bible, not understanding,
Speaker 1: not having an educated approach to the Bible. And so
Speaker 1: now you got one hundred thousand fundamentalists sex and they're
Speaker 1: already heretical, because even Calvin was a heretic. The only
Speaker 1: three Orthodox are the the Catholic set of Orthodox churches
Speaker 1: with the Roman Catholic and really the British Church and
Speaker 1: the Lutheran Church. Okay, the Episcopalians, you know, still practice Castopolicism.
Speaker 1: You won't see much difference in their mass. The same
Speaker 1: with the what was the other group, I said, the Episcopalian. Oh,
Speaker 1: and the Lutheran Okay, they just don't recognize the pope. Okay,
Speaker 1: the Calvinists. There's a whole American history behind the Calvinists,
Speaker 1: and I could give you another half hour lecture on that.
Speaker 1: So just let's say the Calvinists are heretics who got
Speaker 1: thrown out of Europe. They got here and they thought
Speaker 1: they were going to build a city on the hill.
Speaker 1: Sound interesting to you, Reggan fans. And they thought that
Speaker 1: Europe would invite them back and celebrate them as the
Speaker 1: new leaders who were able to create a perfect Christian nation. Instead,
Speaker 1: Europeans were glad to get rid of the dumbschmucks. And
Speaker 1: they turned around and they said, look at all these trees,
Speaker 1: and they are the moneyed class in America today. You
Speaker 1: want to rise in your career, you'd better be a
Speaker 1: wasp because that's what this world is run on all
Speaker 1: fifty it's no matter the politics.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Something I wanted to ask you, and you kind of
Speaker 2: mentioned something just now that reminded me, and I put
Speaker 2: in trying to put you on the spot pole But
Speaker 2: it's just something I did. I was going to ask
Speaker 2: you your opinion on anyway, because you mentioned all these
Speaker 2: people went to New York. Well, one, your's your place
Speaker 2: on top of a mound, by chance.
Speaker 1: On top of a mound, believe it or not. We
Speaker 1: are on top of a mount. I always make a
Speaker 1: joke with global warming when the water finally reaches New York,
Speaker 1: we got beach front property.
Speaker 2: Is there something up with that? Like, you know, like
Speaker 2: how you're mentioning like a bunch of people are near us,
Speaker 2: You know how you mentioned like a bunch of people
Speaker 2: have seemed to have been there before. Like I have wondered,
Speaker 2: like when you have a lot of occult that's going
Speaker 2: to the same spot, is there something to do with
Speaker 2: like a lay line or energy there that they've gone onto.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, not that kind of a bound. I know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. These mounds have been discovered. They're interesting.
Speaker 1: That's about the end of it. The rest of it's hyperbably,
Speaker 1: you know, to sell programs and get more advertising. Bye
Speaker 1: bye bye. Spend spend, spend charge it, charge it, charge it.
Speaker 8: So, Paul, in regard to your talking about the aspect
Speaker 8: of the Wasp culture and how it rose when you
Speaker 8: look at them bringing the Skullville Bible in and essentially,
Speaker 8: you know, with all its bullet points basically all relating
Speaker 8: back to Zionism, and you know, the idea of rebuilding
Speaker 8: the temple.
Speaker 1: I'm still going to guess that that is somehow a
Speaker 1: very interesting hoax. But let's just pretend for the sake
Speaker 1: of argument that it possibly is. You can't prove it
Speaker 1: one way or another. It's very interesting, and there's a
Speaker 1: couple of things in places like this. They're very very interesting.
Speaker 1: They certainly absorb our fascination, so they're worth talking about.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 1: It's the conspiracy theories on the one hand and the
Speaker 1: righteousness on the other that bothers me. The occult we've
Speaker 1: been here all whong, man, you should be at the
Speaker 1: cultures like this and come on into my satatic temple,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you know, of course the conspiracy
Speaker 1: there is, you know, the secret templars came here and
Speaker 1: to escape the people run and that's the first naissance
Speaker 1: that we ever had. And they were Indians from the
Speaker 1: Hobjiba tribe. You know. It's like it goes every which direction.
Speaker 1: Just go down YouTube, start clicking on one, and there's
Speaker 1: a thousand and And it's unfortunate because I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of good YouTubers, you know, realize that they can uh,
Speaker 1: they have a chance at making a run at getting monetized,
Speaker 1: and they start selling there instead of producing their really
Speaker 1: interesting programs, they start selling out on all this. It
Speaker 1: gets a lot of attent. So it's populist stuff. And
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with populist stuff. But when you're when
Speaker 1: you're somebody who wants real spiritual growth, you got to
Speaker 1: look at what you're putting in your head. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't watch TV commercials, you know,
Speaker 1: because I'm still singing the fucking slogans from my childhood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And all I can do
Speaker 1: is realize that they're there and put them out and
Speaker 1: sometimes make a joke out of them or a joke
Speaker 1: with them, you know, and realize that that's the the
Speaker 1: counter gnostic conditioning of our culture. You want that fancy car,
Speaker 1: you're trying to live to that lifestyle. You just trying
Speaker 1: to get the white house with the picket fence. You know,
Speaker 1: you're you're you're already trading some of your genius for security.
Speaker 1: And I can't tell you what kind of balance to
Speaker 1: keep there. But when you start spending twelve and fourteen
Speaker 1: hours day just keeping the house and the wife and
Speaker 1: the kids going, there's no spiritual advance. But oh, kids
Speaker 1: are such a great thing and you don't know what
Speaker 1: they can do because I didn't have my own kids.
Speaker 1: But my wife tells me this crap, she got two
Speaker 1: of them. But I say, really, bull diggies. You know,
Speaker 1: even if we look in the New Testament, Jesus has
Speaker 1: let the dead bury the dead. Can we go back
Speaker 1: and bury or dead father? Yeah, And that's not the
Speaker 1: only scripture where you're going to hear that. That's just
Speaker 1: the one that comes to mind.
Speaker 9: Oh, I had a quick question, so is there an echo? Sorry,
Speaker 9: I don't know if that's me. Okay, when we think
Speaker 9: about what for me, when I think about Christianity and
Speaker 9: then I was raised Catholic, that I'm starting to come
Speaker 9: to the conclusion that most of what I have been
Speaker 9: taught about what Jesus said was filtered through Constantinople as
Speaker 9: well as Council of Nicea and so forth. And then
Speaker 9: when we look at some of the Gnostic texts with
Speaker 9: Mary Magdalene and what she claims that Jesus has said,
Speaker 9: it is quite the opposite. It is exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 9: It's about having an experience with yourself. It's about demanding
Speaker 9: more of yourself to advance a higher state.
Speaker 10: Of consciousness if you will.
Speaker 9: I don't think they use the word consciousness back then,
Speaker 9: but would would that be?
Speaker 1: That would be out of Plato and Aras Bottom. Yeah, certainly.
Speaker 9: And so when when you talked about how bringing in
Speaker 9: the Kabbalah and how you write the what Christianity got wrong?
Speaker 9: To me, it makes complete sense why cabbala was starting
Speaker 9: to be adopted by the Spanish and Christianity, the Greeks
Speaker 9: with their Orthodox and then how it started to become
Speaker 9: pervasive by Plato and Empedocles and all these other things.
Speaker 9: You start to see emanations of its influence outward as
Speaker 9: well as you know, in the alphanumerical systems within different
Speaker 9: I guess cultures, empires, and so forth. I guess my
Speaker 9: question is do you think that that is accurate in
Speaker 9: what the Gnostic texts indicate was being said by Mary
Speaker 9: Magdalene of what Jesus was saying.
Speaker 1: I liked Mary Magdalene's texts, and I thought maybe I
Speaker 1: should write a commentary to it. I've got a whole
Speaker 1: on our gclvx dot org website. I've got commentaries to
Speaker 1: a whole range of Gnostic texts contenting on them. Really
Speaker 1: from a Thylemic perspective, and I've come to know a
Speaker 1: lot more since then of many different nastic texts, and
Speaker 1: narcissism was is still just a catch phrase. There were
Speaker 1: some real groups like the Thomasines and the Magdalens that
Speaker 1: were you know, tied in more with the Greek temple structure.
Speaker 1: But you know, Plato and Aristotle precede gnosticism by a
Speaker 1: good period of time. And the Gnosissism that spread throughout
Speaker 1: the Roman Empire, including the Middle East, was multiform. I
Speaker 1: mean the docetics, you know, would settle in the Arabic area.
Speaker 1: They couldn't stand the concept that, you know, any God
Speaker 1: could be killed or nailed to a piece of wood.
Speaker 1: You know, they would become Muslim. You know, God is God.
Speaker 1: That's it. There's no God but God, right, the whole
Speaker 1: Muslim thing lah lah. You know, the the many logoi
Speaker 1: that were mixed in with Greco Roman Egyptian culture, Logoi
Speaker 1: being the poor for the word logos. Jesus wasn't the
Speaker 1: only logos, you know, Prometheus was a logos Dionysus. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a logost buck as you know, as Sclepius. The
Speaker 1: major locosts that would you know, in part become the
Speaker 1: Roman Catholic Church. All of his He was the healer
Speaker 1: of God, that healed so good, he raised the dead.
Speaker 1: The gods killed him for doing that, and that he
Speaker 1: was resurrected. They all get resurrected. They're all symbols of transformation.
Speaker 1: They're human, divine fathered by you know, God. So it's
Speaker 1: always born of a woman, right, and that's parthenogenesis, that's
Speaker 1: the dove symbol. So this one sect that went on
Speaker 1: off of Paul, and all of Paul's letters in the
Speaker 1: Bible are not written by Paul. Some of them are
Speaker 1: written by others. Paul created a Roman version of the
Speaker 1: Jewish Gnostic movement. The Sethians were more the Gnostic movement
Speaker 1: of the Jews, and the Valentinians would borrow from that,
Speaker 1: and the Sethians would interact with the Valentinians one point.
Speaker 1: But these the Sethians existed before the Valentinians. The Valentinians
Speaker 1: originated as a reaction to the Roman Church. They wanted
Speaker 1: an alternative vision, but they would not get the ear
Speaker 1: of of Caesar Constantine, although they were, you know, they
Speaker 1: were kind of like sanctifying a couple of Caesars before
Speaker 1: that but the Roman religion that would you know, eventually
Speaker 1: splinter into you know, Orthodoxy. That religion. What was I
Speaker 1: gonna say about that? Uh? There Rod that that religion
Speaker 1: was Paul's letters, built off of Poll's letters. It's a
Speaker 1: Pauline church. It's not a Petron church. It didn't originate
Speaker 1: off of Peter and the ideas of Peter, which Peter
Speaker 1: would have been more about gnosis. Notice there's no Gospel
Speaker 1: of Peter in Catholic canon. Okay, Now there are other
Speaker 1: Christian traditions whose canons are a little bit more expensive,
Speaker 1: like the Ethiopian canon. Uh, but be worry of, you know,
Speaker 1: competing ideas from the ancient world, and more interested in
Speaker 1: the fact that this was all literature, and this was
Speaker 1: you know, for those that took it at any sacred level.
Speaker 1: It was about personal transformation, right, you know, and you
Speaker 1: know for the masses, you know, the only religion that
Speaker 1: would work was the Roman religion. You need authority. Authority
Speaker 1: needs to keep their slaves, and the Roman religion is
Speaker 1: a slave religion. They keep their slaves and they keep
Speaker 1: them docile, wanting to do good things and good deeds
Speaker 1: so they don't beat up their wives, right, and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I love that comedian The New
Speaker 1: York Guys, really really funny comes out and he says,
Speaker 1: you know, there's there must be nineteen reasons to beat
Speaker 1: your wife. And he said, but of course we can't
Speaker 1: do that, you know, but that doesn't mean the reason
Speaker 1: still don't exist in any wisk Like well deep, it
Speaker 1: is really funny, but the real thing is that you
Speaker 1: need to keep the unthinking person to hold a certain
Speaker 1: line of civility. Without that, we would have no world
Speaker 1: where we could create a civilization. Somebody to turn on
Speaker 1: the lights, and somebody to pick up the garbage, and
Speaker 1: somebody to design the auto parts. And you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, every last facet of our society requires, you know,
Speaker 1: a very non spiritual person to handle the very functional
Speaker 1: and important things for our civilization, because otherwise, as Plato says,
Speaker 1: with that civilization, we'd still be slaves to nature. So
Speaker 1: we'd be out there hunting wood and getting away with
Speaker 1: beating our wives. I gotta think about that for a minute. Uh,
Speaker 1: my wife's really really sweet and it wouldn't even cross
Speaker 1: my mind. So but the fantasy is just so funny.
Speaker 1: The people would not behave if they didn't have Jesus
Speaker 1: watching them, if Allah wasn't watching them, if you know,
Speaker 1: Jehovah wasn't watching them, if Krishna wasn't watching them, And
Speaker 1: all the standards of our society are built into that,
Speaker 1: all our rights of passage through life, the police force
Speaker 1: and the government officials. That all makes our world. And
Speaker 1: you know, we could call that the Black Lodge, which
Speaker 1: indeed it is, and its adepts are our power brokers
Speaker 1: in the world, but that doesn't make them evil. Black
Speaker 1: doesn't mean evil black, just simply it's the hats that
Speaker 1: the adepts of the nihilistic materialist Lodge where, and for them,
Speaker 1: it's a nihilistic materialism. The monis the Yellow School, which
Speaker 1: we find mostly in the East. All three schools exist everywhere,
Speaker 1: but the Yellow School is monist in its character, and
Speaker 1: it says, this world is an illusion, and your separateness
Speaker 1: is an illusion, and you need to achieve nirvana by
Speaker 1: losing your ego. And here's the problem. If this is
Speaker 1: all an illusion, what the hell are we doing here?
Speaker 1: I mean, why are we bothering to talk to each other?
Speaker 1: Why are we making culture? Let's all just get a gun,
Speaker 1: put it to the left temple and achieve sdirvana. I'm
Speaker 1: racing one big swipe. We'll do it on video, ready
Speaker 1: you first.
Speaker 4: That's why it's part of me.
Speaker 3: Uh you know, when you think of religion, it is
Speaker 3: a brokeren experience, and a part of me thinks about
Speaker 3: how much of all this is just fake and gay
Speaker 3: and it's just a way of wanting to put the
Speaker 3: masses into right. How you're saying the guy who's on
Speaker 3: the assembly line, who is following a religion just because
Speaker 3: his uh you know, the tradition was to always be
Speaker 3: Christian or something, you know, pick whatever religion. He's not
Speaker 3: advancing spiritually because he has to work every single day,
Speaker 3: but he goes to church every Sunday and just takes
Speaker 3: in whatever they're regurgitating towards them right, and the whole
Speaker 3: idea you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's one day a week he could do something.
Speaker 1: There's one day a week he get advanced the cause.
Speaker 1: What a beautiful thing just to take Saturday or Sunday
Speaker 1: or Friday or whatever your work's get that's going to
Speaker 1: be my day of contemplation and Cabbalistic work and meditation,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to try to think about.
Speaker 4: That's blasphemous, that's heretical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's it's that's the time to read the
Speaker 1: Holy books because they take us out of ourselves. They
Speaker 1: take us out of our mundane personality for a little while,
Speaker 1: and for just that little while, we're inspired by those
Speaker 1: Holy books and no longer an asshole.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And at the core of the tank commandments that don't
Speaker 3: be a piece of shit, right, I mean, just don't
Speaker 3: kill your neighbor.
Speaker 1: It's more than don't kill your neighbor. Right, be meek.
Speaker 1: You should love God more than them, but you should
Speaker 1: be humbled before them. Right. You should love God more
Speaker 1: than your family. Walk away from your wife and kids,
Speaker 1: you know, if you really loved God, that's what that
Speaker 1: religion teaches you. Right. So, and if you a slave
Speaker 1: to the homeowner, you should, you know, respect and love
Speaker 1: your master, because there's two of the Gospels recommend that
Speaker 1: a fluidly. So the whole mentality built into Christianity that
Speaker 1: is developed and then of course nurtured by the Church
Speaker 1: and defined by the Church, kind of the way the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, you know, reinterprets the Constitution, the Church reinterprets
Speaker 1: the Bible and creates doctrine off of that, and the
Speaker 1: doctrine is always to keep you servile. And for ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the world, ninety nine percent of the world,
Speaker 1: that's perfect. They're doing a good job and they're good people.
Speaker 1: You know, the bad people among them two you gotta
Speaker 1: go down Baron, but you know, because people are people, right.
Speaker 1: So when it comes to the Yellow and the Black school,
Speaker 1: I got real issues me personally, I'm of the White school.
Speaker 1: We are of the duellist uh camp, and as duelists,
Speaker 1: we recommend recognize the separation between body and mind. That
Speaker 1: the mind itself is you know, is the soul, and
Speaker 1: it's it interacts with the brain. And there's a whole
Speaker 1: conversation on how the mind interacts with the body. But
Speaker 1: the body does what I say the second I say it, right,
Speaker 1: So I can move this hand, I can train these
Speaker 1: fingers and bop my head whatever I want to do.
Speaker 1: And yet there's also very unconscious things that the mind
Speaker 1: also does. I have unconscious expressions. And so in the
Speaker 1: dualist camp, the material world is still real. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not spirit trapped in mat there, I'm spirit liberated
Speaker 1: in matter. I have a place here to be creative
Speaker 1: and to bring that which is within Gospel Thomas and
Speaker 1: bring it out and put it in the world. That's
Speaker 1: why in magic you produce new nosis. Everybody else has
Speaker 1: just stroking their ego looking for the alms of envy.
Speaker 8: Now, in regard to producing new nosis, you know, you
Speaker 8: go back to Plato and divine madness. You go into
Speaker 8: ecstatic Kabbala, and you look at the past and the
Speaker 8: mystery schools in regard to the introduction through these series
Speaker 8: of you know, initiations that bring you heightened levels of
Speaker 8: understanding and consciousness versus when we set up the dichotomy
Speaker 8: of this exterior force that we put our energy into
Speaker 8: instead of knowing myself.
Speaker 1: The old initiation rights. I think we're probably great. They
Speaker 1: worked in their time, they spoke to their culture, and
Speaker 1: for us, these are pseudo gods that we were, you know,
Speaker 1: conditioned into not believing, right. I know, one great atheist
Speaker 1: debater says, you know, everybody's an atheist except for one
Speaker 1: god because there's thousands of them. M hm. And that
Speaker 1: superstitious you know conditioning still existed in the pagan world,
Speaker 1: and people joined these mystery cults to go through and
Speaker 1: have these ecstatic experiences. They were parts of you know,
Speaker 1: the a you know, the people in the area of
Speaker 1: a temple. You know, not only did it provide spiritual
Speaker 1: but also material uh uh contribution to the surrounding community.
Speaker 1: The farmers you know had a place in a way
Speaker 1: to sell their wheat and you know, and money was
Speaker 1: brought in, you know. And so for those that wanted
Speaker 1: to have that spiritual experience, it was open. There was
Speaker 1: no there was no control over or any sort of
Speaker 1: thing really of religious authority except really possibly with the Jews,
Speaker 1: and the Jews were allowed to practice their religion. Rome
Speaker 1: didn't really care. The problem was that as the Jews,
Speaker 1: there was a faction of the Jews that became violent
Speaker 1: and they want okay, and they had a rebellion. So
Speaker 1: in part the motivation for the Roman pontiff was to
Speaker 1: create a sedate version of Jesus because the Jewish Messiah
Speaker 1: was general, he was going to chase him out with
Speaker 1: weapons of war. God is going to come down off
Speaker 1: the clouds with lightning bolts, you know. And so they
Speaker 1: would take this pagan transformative experience in these mystery temples
Speaker 1: and build that into this logos. Because the logos mystery
Speaker 1: temples were all about that, you know, getting to the
Speaker 1: point of sickness or death and you know whatever. And
Speaker 1: of course there was ecstasy in that experience. There was
Speaker 1: spiritual ecstasy that became the the awakener of one's spiritual self,
Speaker 1: that they would have this profound spiritual experience and start
Speaker 1: the world just like you know, really in its own
Speaker 1: mock way. We in our modern religions, you know, all
Speaker 1: have rights of passage, right, you have that adult right,
Speaker 1: whether it's first Holy Communion, confirmation, or whether it's right.
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of you know, rights of coming of age, marriage,
Speaker 1: Marriage is a very big one. The community must approve
Speaker 1: of the marrit the sacraments, Yeah, the seven sacraments then
Speaker 1: connected them with the spirit of the church. Right, that's
Speaker 1: what Holy communion is all about. The the nice discipline,
Speaker 1: you know, had the confessional, so you could go out
Speaker 1: and sin all week, and if you were truly penitent,
Speaker 1: you would, you know, say you're ten Heil Mary's and
Speaker 1: you'd be able to take the Eucharist tomorrow and be
Speaker 1: cleansed of your sins. Right, and the whole concept of sin, well,
Speaker 1: this goes back long before Christianity. And Greco Roman culture.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was always about sin, right, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a plague on our land and we must have offended,
Speaker 1: you know, the god of corn right, and so superstitious
Speaker 1: ideas intertwined with popular culture, each in its age. And
Speaker 1: that's not to say there wasn't great wisdom there as well.
Speaker 1: I think that these early city states generated a series
Speaker 1: of shamans that were able to hear the voices in
Speaker 1: our head. But they were hearing them really for the
Speaker 1: first time. Back then. We were still grunting and knuckle
Speaker 1: dragging before that, okay, And these voices came to be
Speaker 1: the gods, and whoever was the best at relating the
Speaker 1: voices in their head got to be the shaman, the king,
Speaker 1: the high priest, and this all built into eventually what
Speaker 1: would become our first empires, and soon enough to Pharaoh
Speaker 1: was the one who was going to go to heaven
Speaker 1: when he died, right, but he would bring the entire
Speaker 1: country with him if he made it to the afterlife.
Speaker 1: So you have these leaders that you know, through them
Speaker 1: we get to the Father, you know, not for ourselves.
Speaker 1: And so lovestics have risen in every place, in every
Speaker 1: age to say no it's to ourselves. They're lying to you, right,
Speaker 1: But the problem is they get caught up, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of like the Democrats are always worried about the
Speaker 1: boogeyman and they got nothing to say for themselves. Put
Speaker 1: a little politics there, but it really plays out. Our
Speaker 1: politics plays out in our culture. Oh yeah, the left
Speaker 1: and the right, the lest and the right to get
Speaker 1: in the bad right, the right and the wrong that
Speaker 1: the haves and they have not right.
Speaker 6: And I was going to add on to your what
Speaker 6: you've been saying too, with the idea of uh monotheism
Speaker 6: not exactly being the way of one God, but more
Speaker 6: more specifically the way of perceiving God in one way, right, and.
Speaker 5: So it is a god out there, we.
Speaker 6: Sure, sure. I was just going to say that that
Speaker 6: idea where it institutes a certain certainty and adamant mindset
Speaker 6: to where one is correct and everyone else is wrong,
Speaker 6: so it can kind of proceed.
Speaker 1: Anyctic of obedience. Didn't you have that argument with your
Speaker 1: friends in the backyard in the summertime. My dad's bigger
Speaker 1: than your dad. It's human behavior, human behavior, right, So
Speaker 1: now my God's better than your God. My God's true God.
Speaker 1: Will write it out because the true God.
Speaker 6: And even when they say it's that they're talking about
Speaker 6: the same God. It's my way of perceiving God is
Speaker 6: the right way.
Speaker 1: Really, I've always got a see through the pastor's way,
Speaker 1: the rabbi's way. They're the official interpreters. They're the clerics
Speaker 1: that maintain the traditions of the religion or the religion die.
Speaker 1: Now again, most people aren't going to be able to
Speaker 1: rise above this. This keeps them docile, right circumstance, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we need them at work right now. As a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, right we wouldn't be doing this.
Speaker 6: I was going to say sorry about the idea of
Speaker 6: walking the same path as these teachers of the past or.
Speaker 6: What one might be better off doing is walking your
Speaker 6: own path as they did, right, because people even like
Speaker 6: will go to the very literal physical paths that some
Speaker 6: other travelers have always they don't do it the same
Speaker 6: probas said, don't follow me, cut your own way through
Speaker 6: the jungle.
Speaker 1: And it's a jungle. It's tough to figure out, right,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't care where you are, where you're at,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a tough time at it. And and
Speaker 1: that's never gonna go away. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because it shouldn't. You know, what should happen is that
Speaker 1: you begin to collect your successes and you add them in,
Speaker 1: and you know, you begin to get to where your
Speaker 1: true career quote unquote, where your true career is in.
Speaker 8: Life, and you learn to accept your losses more gracefully
Speaker 8: as you move, and the successes become points to get
Speaker 8: you to look to the higher places as well.
Speaker 1: And you just still hurt. Man, they really do. I'm
Speaker 1: capable of making a real first class jackass out of myself,
Speaker 1: and you know so, you know, we all have those
Speaker 1: parts of our psyche when we get touched. I hate
Speaker 1: to be embarrassed. Don't embarrass me, Okay, I won't hide
Speaker 1: in Michelle and won't go away. But it hurts real
Speaker 1: bad because it goes back to childhood in place to
Speaker 1: my conditioning. But in my gnostic process, I accept that,
Speaker 1: and I want to remember all the terrible things that
Speaker 1: happened to me as much as I want to count
Speaker 1: my blessings and treasure my joys. Right, And you can
Speaker 1: picture that is as point and counterpoint. The transcendent point, then,
Speaker 1: is how I rose above both and came to a
Speaker 1: new understanding, which then becomes its own point, needs a
Speaker 1: new counterpoint about to get to a point progressively. Yes,
Speaker 1: process never stops. There's no rest. If you're really serious
Speaker 1: about this path, there's never a place where you're going
Speaker 1: to get to say I got it, I know it.
Speaker 1: All it's down. Put the file away, dear, turn on
Speaker 1: the TV.
Speaker 3: So if it's about paving your own way and coming
Speaker 3: up with your own system, I forgot who it was
Speaker 3: because Nick mentioned earlier that you can, you know, engage
Speaker 3: your own spiritual experience time with them, I forget who
Speaker 3: it was. It was either Idri Shaw or Friends Bart.
Speaker 3: I can't remember who it was that talked about like
Speaker 3: setting up your own.
Speaker 1: Team because Friends Bardon had very specific program thing. He
Speaker 1: was really a ross Crucian. But there is something to
Speaker 1: say for, you know, finding your own way, and there's
Speaker 1: something to say for following the directions. Okay, I think
Speaker 1: both are necessary. But when I say follow the directions,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying follow the way of these you know,
Speaker 1: idiot slave gods. Okay, I think Thelima offers a direction,
Speaker 1: and whether or not, I think Salima is kind of
Speaker 1: the top holds the top tier on that no matter
Speaker 1: what direction you choose, no matter what discipline you engage,
Speaker 1: or how you approach it, Eastern or Western. I'm a
Speaker 1: Western mine, so I approach it from a Western perspective.
Speaker 1: But there are Western minds that really do well with
Speaker 1: Eastern ideas and can hold onto their cigarettes. Uh don't
Speaker 1: you're not interested. Don't be interested. Uh oh, So there's
Speaker 1: something to say for following when I'm sorry, guys, I
Speaker 1: couldn't leave it on the floor. You'll eat it. So
Speaker 1: there's general things that I think everybody will go through,
Speaker 1: both physically and mentally, in the quest of how they
Speaker 1: do it, whether they come from some yoga or whether
Speaker 1: they dance or do Western art. There's all sorts of
Speaker 1: ways that you know, you know, being a musician, I
Speaker 1: can tell you all the time about musicians who have these,
Speaker 1: you know, immense spiritual experiences. I hear all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I joged for just a little while. That's
Speaker 1: a g on the running machine, but and did I
Speaker 1: was getting pretty good. But I do know well the
Speaker 1: world of these joggers that jog through your neighborhood every morning.
Speaker 1: Some of these guys enter real altered states, you know,
Speaker 1: not the ones with the headphones on, they've lost their
Speaker 1: chance to it. They're drowning it out. You got to
Speaker 1: start listening to your thoughts and then you've got to
Speaker 1: get past some as you focus on your breath. So
Speaker 1: whether you're jogging Central Park or you're sitting in a
Speaker 1: yoga asana and listening to the breath and controlling its meter,
Speaker 1: you know that you finally get to a point where
Speaker 1: you control the mind. The asyla is a control of
Speaker 1: the body. You can take that into hoty yoga and
Speaker 1: get to all sorts of you know, exotic control over
Speaker 1: the body. U. The only reason why I I would,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of poo poo there for a little
Speaker 1: bit is it's really great when you're young, but when
Speaker 1: the body starts falling apart if your spiritual experiences on that,
Speaker 1: you know, the pretty girl is going to stop being
Speaker 1: looked at one day. Life changes. So if you've built
Speaker 1: all your life walking down the street is the pretty girl,
Speaker 1: then when they stop looking at you, your life's not
Speaker 1: worth living. The street isn't worth going. So we do
Speaker 1: disconnect from our bodies with age, and in that disconnection,
Speaker 1: a lot of things fall away from us, and everything
Speaker 1: with vigor that's attached to spirituality, tantra and what have you.
Speaker 1: All of that. I think it's good for the young
Speaker 1: that want to pursue it, but if you're building your
Speaker 1: spiritual experience off of that, you know, I would counter advice,
Speaker 1: but that may be the right way for you. So really,
Speaker 1: what what's my advice worth?
Speaker 3: It was a Techniques of High Magic Emmanual Self Initiation
Speaker 3: by Francis King and Steven Skinner is what I was
Speaker 3: thinking of, where they talk about setting up your own
Speaker 3: temple and making your own magical instruments.
Speaker 4: But none of that is necessary, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there was another golden doing to did it,
Speaker 1: but I remember that book and it is everything right
Speaker 1: about that. But of course he's giving you the direction.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: You're just not going to a goldwn temple, but you're
Speaker 1: building all of its symbols, right. The thing about the
Speaker 1: magical temple is that all the symbols in there are
Speaker 1: designed to access part of your psyche, and when you
Speaker 1: get done building the full temple space, the temple itself
Speaker 1: becomes a transformative experience. Just to open the door and
Speaker 1: step into it, you know, you'll probably robe outside you'll
Speaker 1: put on your magical ring, your magical pendance, whatever you got,
Speaker 1: whatever you're making a part of that ceremony.
Speaker 4: Magical underwear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't forget the magical underwear. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But you know it didn't do anything for my love life.
Speaker 1: I got to tell you that right now. Sometimes they
Speaker 1: ran home running. Wow.
Speaker 3: So I'd be interested to get your thoughts on like
Speaker 3: the Typhoni and oto and the whole like love crafting aspect.
Speaker 4: So were they onto something?
Speaker 3: Were they doing something right by adapting that system or
Speaker 3: was it all bullshit?
Speaker 1: Too Well, in my opinion, it was all bullshit, But
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean it wasn't meaningful for the people involved. Okay.
Speaker 1: I was attracted a little bit to them and curious
Speaker 1: even probation did Staley failed me? Okay, only because I
Speaker 1: rather than doing one ritual every day for a year,
Speaker 1: I did four rituals every day. I did live or
Speaker 1: resh at the four angles of the sun, and sometimes
Speaker 1: I had to do it when driving home from work.
Speaker 1: And since I did, I failed. So you already see
Speaker 1: a tyranny of structure going on there, and not really
Speaker 1: somebody that's recognizing, you know, because I was at least
Speaker 1: a zeloter at the time, maybe even a practicus. So
Speaker 1: I had established credentials far beyond already with anything you
Speaker 1: would really be doing in the Typhony and Temple, and
Speaker 1: the Typhony and Temple pretended to have this secret of
Speaker 1: sex magic. But you know, I think besides Kenneth Grant
Speaker 1: and his wife, there wasn't that much really going on.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had this problem with the wickens to
Speaker 1: the polyamory bullshit. When you get caught up in these circles,
Speaker 1: they explode guaranteed net result no matter how long it
Speaker 1: lasts in between, and it generally doesn't last too long, okay.
Speaker 1: And I saw it completely destroy a student of mind,
Speaker 1: and I loved her dearly. She just went down that road.
Speaker 1: I said, you know, have you really thought about this?
Speaker 1: And she didn't deal with her issues of an abusive husband.
Speaker 1: So again, I think Kenneth Grant was the adept. I
Speaker 1: think he generated new nosis and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: valuable stuff in his material. What then happened with some
Speaker 1: of his experiments and where Staley and that's another guy
Speaker 1: came along, I get his name, but those two really
Speaker 1: built this whole shock idea into initiation. You know, like
Speaker 1: Divo wanted to do a concert in Central Park where
Speaker 1: they instructed all their audience to wear diapers. They were
Speaker 1: going to hit the pitch that makes a shit in
Speaker 1: our pants, and eventually the New York Parks and Recreation
Speaker 1: Department canceled the idea.
Speaker 4: They wereried diapers for the ball drop. What's the difference, Well,
Speaker 4: the ball drop.
Speaker 1: But they're getting through the day there. They're there fifteen eighteen,
Speaker 1: sometimes twenty four hours. Okay. Whereas you go to a
Speaker 1: rock concert in Central Park used to be the Shaeffer
Speaker 1: Music Festival, and you're already waiting for general admission tickets
Speaker 1: in your online all day and then Divo is going
Speaker 1: to play the one tone. There's a tone, there's a
Speaker 1: musical tone that you play in this note that will
Speaker 1: make you shame.
Speaker 4: Has it been scientifically proven? The brown note?
Speaker 8: The brown note?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know anything about it. I never inquired
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 11: I went to a psychic TV concert, oh yeah, one time,
Speaker 11: and this was in the early eighties, and what's his
Speaker 11: name was the leader of.
Speaker 1: That eventually became a girl, right yeah, but he became
Speaker 1: the Oto Darling. Okay, and the concert I went to
Speaker 1: was a screen recording of his surgery, getting his cock
Speaker 1: fit with a cockering. Okay, and on the sides of
Speaker 1: the screen, we're too John Brown, Tom Tom drums and
Speaker 1: one hammering on each one at the same time for
Speaker 1: like two hours. Dump and you're a man standing there,
Speaker 1: really having every sort of penisle fear and pain that
Speaker 1: you could ever imagine. Getting kicked into balls is nothing,
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to endure this work of art. I
Speaker 1: finally couldn't take it anymore. And just as I sat
Speaker 1: down on the sidewall, see they stopped. I was so happy,
Speaker 1: And in the end I walked down it going that
Speaker 1: really wasn't art at all. That was designed to arouse
Speaker 1: a physical trauma in the mal okay, and unnecessary physical
Speaker 1: trauma like love Craft, unnecessary site trauma. That really is
Speaker 1: just an exercise in stupidity, futility. You know, if you
Speaker 1: enjoy fear, you know that's fine. But I've lived in Newark,
Speaker 1: I've lived in Harlem. I don't really ever want to
Speaker 1: pay for fear. I've never even watched Jewels. The father
Speaker 1: of it all, Our Lord Jesus, you.
Speaker 4: Were initiated to the mysteries of the cockering that day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go, there we go. Maybe if that's
Speaker 1: what killed off my love life, let me have to
Speaker 1: think about that one too.
Speaker 8: A certain type of nois.
Speaker 1: I found.
Speaker 5: The brown note is supposed to be between four and
Speaker 5: eight hurts because that's the resident frequency of the abdominal cavity.
Speaker 1: So if you poor, I don't think we can hear
Speaker 1: for hers. So as an act, it doesn't act on
Speaker 1: the body, but the ears may not pick it up. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I mean, if they allegedly use directed energy
Speaker 3: weapons to sodomize people, if they would be able to
Speaker 3: play a note that'd make you sure your pants. I
Speaker 3: mean I could believe that. I'm sure that the government
Speaker 3: has some technology.
Speaker 6: Well, that reminds me. There's a story about Tesla who
Speaker 6: had a vibrating chair and he really appre he really
Speaker 6: liked Marked Twain Mark Twain, and invited him over and
Speaker 6: had him sit in this chair at the vibration level
Speaker 6: that would and that would give him diarrhea. If the
Speaker 6: story is.
Speaker 1: Mark Twain get mixed in with that, he.
Speaker 6: Was fascinating and Tesla they were they were fascinated by
Speaker 6: each other.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, I didn't know that I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well Tesla would have been in this area too, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Tesla Tesla. I think at the time he was not.
Speaker 1: Sorry, was it Mark Twain like Illinois or something like that.
Speaker 6: I think at the time the visit took place in
Speaker 6: upstate New York. If it did indeed happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I wanted to point out too that you're about bud there.
Speaker 6: You're you're actually quite Eastern minded in your ideas that
Speaker 6: are syncretic, but also in the idea mainly that there's
Speaker 6: the way of no way, right, That's That's what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, so experience, okay, And I was.
Speaker 6: I was going to say, in tai Chi practice, one
Speaker 6: way to refine the kind of perspective on the way
Speaker 6: of no way is that people or one can do
Speaker 6: the same movement differently, and in the beginning it's hard
Speaker 6: for a beginner to get it because it's always slightly different,
Speaker 6: or the move that.
Speaker 1: Might just for a little bit in what they call
Speaker 1: soft hands cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah, push hands, push ends, yes.
Speaker 1: Push hands, and and that that is that is embodying
Speaker 1: that I trained for a little Castanatus system cool, which
Speaker 1: kind of mimic that whole thing, and it was all
Speaker 1: about body memory, right, that's what it is now.
Speaker 6: I was just going to say to refine off the
Speaker 6: idea that the principles are what's more important rather than
Speaker 6: the actual specifics might be different, right, So these these principles,
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That the principles at their root are really all that different.
Speaker 1: I used to have a pe I don't.
Speaker 6: I just mean that they're more kind of the basis
Speaker 6: and paramount and then it can be done your own way,
Speaker 6: like well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but of course, now here's where instruction really counts.
Speaker 1: Some of these masters have managed to do very unique
Speaker 1: things with the body and developed all sorts of strengths
Speaker 1: and talents, and I think there is something of value
Speaker 1: in it. Of course. You know, there's the Hindu story
Speaker 1: of the guy who stood on one foot with his
Speaker 1: finger in his ear, and you know, was able to
Speaker 1: live for a thousand years. But you know what kind
Speaker 1: of living was he doing? Right?
Speaker 6: But you know, saying no, I don't mean to say
Speaker 6: that there's a Taichiet practice that one should adopt immediately.
Speaker 6: I mean to say that your idea of doing your
Speaker 6: own way.
Speaker 1: To get back to movement for a second, it's a
Speaker 1: body movement of like tai chi or castanadas thing, or
Speaker 1: you know, even more basic yoga or even fancy yoga
Speaker 1: poses and all that and mudras, the mudros, you know,
Speaker 1: with all that. I used to have this adult piano student.
Speaker 1: He was a New York State trooper. He died last year,
Speaker 1: owned his own martial arts academy. It was a sinse
Speaker 1: and as I was teaching him to move his fingers,
Speaker 1: I used the language of these Eastern arts and I said, well, listen,
Speaker 1: you train your body, and you learn certain moves, and
Speaker 1: you do them in a certain order, and you then
Speaker 1: repeat those moves, and you repeat those moves until you
Speaker 1: can do them with perfection. And then you engage in
Speaker 1: a competition, and you know, you you learn to improvise
Speaker 1: on those moves because you don't know what your opponent
Speaker 1: is going to bring at you. Well, that's playing the piano.
Speaker 1: I'm just doing it with ten fingers, not four limbs
Speaker 1: in a head, right, And yet that movement creates the
Speaker 1: feeling of art in the Western mind, and I have
Speaker 1: to imagine the Eastern mind. You know, somebody playing you know,
Speaker 1: an Eastern instrument, et cetera, that you know moods and
Speaker 1: connections with the inner divine are made through this, so
Speaker 1: that mine might be at the piano and somebody else
Speaker 1: might be doing tai chi. I think both can bring
Speaker 1: you to the same place. What we then need to
Speaker 1: do is add in Arkabala and holybooks, because that gives
Speaker 1: us direction, that gives us spirit, and that's our come up,
Speaker 1: you know, so that you know, any powerful spiritual holy
Speaker 1: book should come to live inside of you. In the AA,
Speaker 1: everybody has to memorize the chapter of each of the
Speaker 1: multi chapter holybooks, and then the whole of the single
Speaker 1: chapter books as they go through the grades, and at
Speaker 1: each stage that book comes alive in you that chapter
Speaker 1: and it kind of details your character to some degree,
Speaker 1: and it helps you to get to know thyself the
Speaker 1: hermetic axiom. But you know you're creating an uplifted self,
Speaker 1: you know. The first one is Libra sixty five. It's
Speaker 1: about the knowledge and conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel.
Speaker 1: We tell the probation, this is your first contact with
Speaker 1: your angel. The chapter you chose, because we don't necessarily
Speaker 1: tell them until after they chose the chapter. The chapter
Speaker 1: you chose tell us us something about the nature of
Speaker 1: your soul, the one you're creating, not the one you have.
Speaker 1: You weren't born under a good sign, so sorry, you're
Speaker 1: studying spirituality. You got kicked around out of the world somehow,
Speaker 1: a world at home, in school, wherever it is. You
Speaker 1: got kicked around, or you would still be a church
Speaker 1: going God blessed be gees Us you know, or you know,
Speaker 1: killing and dying for God, whichever kind of personality you got.
Speaker 1: If we all do it, let's go kill for Jesus Alla,
Speaker 1: we kill for Alla Jovah. We conquer all the powasland.
Speaker 1: And it is the way of the world. It's the
Speaker 1: power structure. You know. If you don't like it, you
Speaker 1: don't understand the world. You need to deepen your gnostic experience.
Speaker 1: If there's anything that you think is wrong with the world,
Speaker 1: because there's nothing wrong with it. It's absolutely perfect as
Speaker 1: it is right now. It's the amalgam of all of
Speaker 1: our thoughts and it's humanity coming to consciousness. We're learning
Speaker 1: how to think. Ignore the most college that wants us
Speaker 1: to escape. You got to come here and think. Thinking
Speaker 1: is the next evolutionary step.
Speaker 9: Next think girl, I think what happens also is that
Speaker 9: like most of the people with their respective religions and beliefs,
Speaker 9: is they do get hung up. Like we talked about
Speaker 9: at the beginning of the episode with people who have
Speaker 9: passed on, is that we worship them as they are
Speaker 9: the end all be all, And really, honestly, they're just
Speaker 9: the people in the Hall of Fame. Really, they're the
Speaker 9: ones that they got the closest than anyone else has.
Speaker 1: Now, so here's glu Garrig in the whole fame and
Speaker 1: here I am Johnny, little schoolboy that wants to grow
Speaker 1: up and become Luke Gerrick. But in the end, I'm
Speaker 1: the one that has to learn how to swing the bat,
Speaker 1: play the field, throw the pitch, catch it right. And
Speaker 1: Solu Gerreck maybe a model, an idol. Maybe lul Grek
Speaker 1: taught me how to hit a little bit. I copied
Speaker 1: his stance, you know, I watched how he played the field,
Speaker 1: you know. And so there's so much value to get from,
Speaker 1: you know, all these different approaches and the fact that
Speaker 1: somebody can hand down some parts of a tradition is rich.
Speaker 1: But in the end, just like when your pillow hits
Speaker 1: the when your head hits the pillow at night, you're
Speaker 1: all alone in that moment, you know, and in the end,
Speaker 1: that's the one you got to live with. Yeah. I've
Speaker 1: always been an idea man, through all my depressions in
Speaker 1: my younger years, through my whole foray into drugs and
Speaker 1: ridiculousness and my obnoxious college career, and I was super
Speaker 1: New York City kind of asshole. I'm still an asshole,
Speaker 1: but just you know, a more mature asshole.
Speaker 4: Now enlightened asshole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean lightened, That's what I like. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that would we're back to for degrees
Speaker 1: or something. Now I'm producing ideas like mad. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just put up a new video I think is
Speaker 1: my best today, and I got a new idea for
Speaker 1: a next set of sermons and do I'm William James,
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to ramp up for that so I
Speaker 1: can write a whole bunch of sermons real quick. And
Speaker 1: the idea is keep coming my head. I got four
Speaker 1: books on my desk that I'm trying to write, and
Speaker 1: another four volume set that I've been writing for years
Speaker 1: and just can't seem to get back to. But I'm saying,
Speaker 1: whenever I get done writing all this other shit, I'm
Speaker 1: going to do that. I swear I promised those where
Speaker 1: and I'm in absolute heaven. I'm fully aware of the
Speaker 1: traumatic life that I lived, and it was no easy
Speaker 1: ride for me. I don't have to sit here and
Speaker 1: sing you that song.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: I never learned violent, but I've had my pain. I've
Speaker 1: read my early diaries. I was a fucking lunatic. All
Speaker 1: of that shaped me, all of that colored my opinion
Speaker 1: of the world, and all the inspiration that I had
Speaker 1: in each age writing the souls. When I was you know,
Speaker 1: in my heavy music period, you know, I was in
Speaker 1: three different rock bands that we're pretty serious bands. It'll
Speaker 1: be cool, we don't play with that. And I came
Speaker 1: to finally see that I had been doing it all
Speaker 1: along from childhood, always generating ideas. We wrote plays as kids,
Speaker 1: we staged them.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 1: We'd have beauty contests and we'd invite all our sisters
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and me and my buddy Wearing
Speaker 1: would take a cake, you know, and then you know,
Speaker 1: then we you know, said build a stage and we'd
Speaker 1: have the whole little event. But I mean it was
Speaker 1: a kids thing, but we organized the neighborhood, you know,
Speaker 1: I had by a lemonade stand in front of the house.
Speaker 1: I even did a junk sale and I ended up
Speaker 1: spending a couple of days buying and reselling to a
Speaker 1: guy that was wholesaling to me.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: I made a few bucks. Eventually the Internet opened up
Speaker 1: and I was able to become a writer and I
Speaker 1: got a large body of work that I love and
Speaker 1: treasure and I hope the world will find it. You know,
Speaker 1: I sell a few books, you know, beer money, and
Speaker 1: I'm drink beer though, so I keep it now. It
Speaker 1: helps the church. It's what it's all about. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if I've brought myself into the world. I
Speaker 1: can't claim that a depth ship and I might not
Speaker 1: live to see it, and yet might happen. Right, Eventually
Speaker 1: I'll reach the world. You know, my books will be discovering.
Speaker 1: I know every artist is discovered, you know, three days
Speaker 1: after he's dead, so you know you need three days
Speaker 1: to resurrect. Three days for good binge. But I don't
Speaker 1: do coke anymore. You're you're you're Mike sah. Yeah, thank
Speaker 1: you for noticing.
Speaker 6: Thank you, duh. One thing I wanted to ask, and
Speaker 6: I appreciate how you present things, and uh that I
Speaker 6: find and and how you were saying how some things
Speaker 6: are kind of superfluous in the beginning, But I find
Speaker 6: that this idea I'm all, I am admittedly obsessed with,
Speaker 6: but it is also a very syncretic idea in itself,
Speaker 6: and yet it is presented in the Kabbala really beautifully
Speaker 6: in the idea of the four worlds. Would you would
Speaker 6: you explore the idea of the four worlds, and it's
Speaker 6: syncretic related and.
Speaker 1: Just well, I would say the cabal in general, first
Speaker 1: is syncretic in nature. It's an amalcolm compendium of the
Speaker 1: entire Western mystery tradition. You know, it's not just its
Speaker 1: details of the tree of life in the four worlds. Now,
Speaker 1: of the four worlds, well, we have the tree of
Speaker 1: life laid through those four worlds, okay, So what we're
Speaker 1: seeing is the descent of the divine light into the
Speaker 1: Adam cadmon who secretly hides the Shaquina, and then the
Speaker 1: Shakina ultimately descends to Malcoot and it's God's blessing on
Speaker 1: his people. This is really Jewish kabbala, I would say,
Speaker 1: not Philema kabala. But yet the Shakina then becomes Babylon
Speaker 1: in the Kabbala, and she's the one who sits on
Speaker 1: the throne of the queen to waken the elder the King.
Speaker 1: So in these four worlds, we start at the highest
Speaker 1: spiritual level, you know, absolute, we get to that psychic
Speaker 1: in between world, that astral in between world that really
Speaker 1: floats between time and not time, and we'll call that Bria.
Speaker 1: It's the formative world, the real astral world that everyone
Speaker 1: partakes with. That are that are the parts of the soul,
Speaker 1: the ruac that's in Yetsirah. And then finally, the lowst
Speaker 1: of the world is the material manifestation of the Godhead
Speaker 1: that started up a cather up top in the highest world.
Speaker 1: So we're each God, and we're each that same God.
Speaker 1: We're each the one God, the one became the all.
Speaker 1: There is no one anymore, the world one is none. Okay,
Speaker 1: So they say that you know we're all one. I
Speaker 1: just say give me your bank account. We just start
Speaker 1: with the number. I could do the rest. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: all one. And if this world is an illusion, I
Speaker 1: want you first to say that while your hands in
Speaker 1: a hot frying pan. But if you're not willing to
Speaker 1: do that. Let's just take a raise of baite and
Speaker 1: slice your face so that you're all but ugly, and
Speaker 1: see how your opportunities for life disappear. Okay, so there's
Speaker 1: something very real about this world. Then there's something very
Speaker 1: real about our perceptions of this world. And we each
Speaker 1: have our own unique perceptions of this world. So what's
Speaker 1: right for me might not be right for you, and
Speaker 1: vice versa, right or they may be right. And you know,
Speaker 1: we'll form a club. We'll initiate each other, pet each
Speaker 1: other in the back, and you'll be the big Poopa
Speaker 1: and I'll be assistant vice president Popa. So the four
Speaker 1: worlds are description of the involution of the divine into
Speaker 1: the manifestation of the divine in the material world. It's
Speaker 1: at the opposite end to their spirit and matter, and
Speaker 1: in between the rurock is soul. But you've got to
Speaker 1: make that if the world's telling you what to be,
Speaker 1: how to be, who to be, why to be, then
Speaker 1: you ain't making it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, playing, I identify as a toaster, though, does that
Speaker 3: mean I'm in lands?
Speaker 1: We're going to go. You're going to get me started
Speaker 1: on the problem of trading. Okay, you have to sit
Speaker 1: there and let it happen. But these are people mutilating
Speaker 1: themselves in each other. And it is an illness to
Speaker 1: think you were born in the wrong body, and an
Speaker 1: even worse illness to think that you could change the body.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work. Okay. The guy becoming a woman will
Speaker 1: never menstruate. He doesn't know about a woman's fear of menstruation.
Speaker 1: It's you know, in her early age, she can't go
Speaker 1: in the swimming pool in the summer. She's you know,
Speaker 1: all these things that go with puberty. The guy who's
Speaker 1: completely unsure of himself, and every time the teacher says
Speaker 1: you got an a and this one, he comes in
Speaker 1: his pants. He's afraid people are gonna notice. Well, that's
Speaker 1: a girl becoming a guy is never going to know that.
Speaker 1: And from the moment of the surgery, they will never
Speaker 1: ever experience an orgasm again. So they are lost. They've
Speaker 1: lost their central connection with spirit. That's wild, Okay, you
Speaker 1: don't live.
Speaker 10: They don't live the question.
Speaker 1: They don't live the question. They don't they're they're they're
Speaker 1: trying to be toasters. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: can trade in my two sized toaster for a four
Speaker 1: sized tuscer or maybe a toaster oven and then then
Speaker 1: they can put it in the oven. The disgusting things
Speaker 1: that these trans people have to do every single day
Speaker 1: to maintain themselves, and they manage drugs they got to sell.
Speaker 1: It was in the DSM for how many years as
Speaker 1: a mental disease and now it's gender affirmative care. And
Speaker 1: we all have to change our pronouns. Well, my pronoun
Speaker 1: is in bullumpa just for your information. You can't change
Speaker 1: the language. You can't change the pronouns. The universe works
Speaker 1: in yin and yang. It's this spiritual truth. This France
Speaker 1: shows you that we've moved to a heightened, exaggerated state
Speaker 1: on the nature of materialism and the nature of consumerism.
Speaker 1: They're buying this. Parents are being told, if you don't
Speaker 1: put your child through this, she's going to kill herself
Speaker 1: or he's going to kill himself. Bullshit. Everybody in puberty
Speaker 1: really doubts themselves for a little while.
Speaker 5: And me and Robbie where we're interested in the Kybaline
Speaker 5: worship of like ancient Rome to believe, yeah.
Speaker 8: And that quite extensively, Yeah.
Speaker 5: An addas worship where they would castrate themselves as a
Speaker 5: public ritual. And there's so many different parallels between what
Speaker 5: was going on back then, the declining home and empire parallels.
Speaker 13: They were castrating and destroying themselves for the sake of
Speaker 13: religious ecstasy.
Speaker 1: Both in the East and West, there are movements that
Speaker 1: are very much against any form of sexuality, Okay, any
Speaker 1: form of sexuality, any form of semen surrender, you know,
Speaker 1: in one branch, right, So that you know, and that's
Speaker 1: why your Roman priest is going to tell you like
Speaker 1: he told me in puberty, that every time I jerked off,
Speaker 1: I killed ten thousand babies.
Speaker 4: Damn.
Speaker 1: Okay, and so you realize that, you know, you're a
Speaker 1: mess sitting there in churches, a devout Roman Catholic. And
Speaker 1: you know, finally I chose well masturbation at first, and
Speaker 1: then I earned a few other tricks. I'll buy your.
Speaker 4: Something magical masturbation. You don't have to do anything.
Speaker 14: Well, you got to still got to say the magical ritual, right,
Speaker 14: You got to prepare, you got to dress, get yourself
Speaker 14: a decent job, some decent clothes, a nice apartment, good music,
Speaker 14: because she's got to see that.
Speaker 1: You know, you're together kind of guy, right, And then
Speaker 1: you got to learn how to say can I see
Speaker 1: you next week?
Speaker 5: Well, I think one of the things that stands out
Speaker 5: to me with the Kibli worship was it was usually
Speaker 5: slaves that would participate in the self castration. For them,
Speaker 5: moving up the ladder meant becoming a high priest of
Speaker 5: this attis worship. And the way they would do it
Speaker 5: is through the public ritual. And then what we have
Speaker 5: today is the way these PARTI slavery right, well, the
Speaker 5: way these parents want to elevate crimes.
Speaker 1: You might get me to cut my balls off too,
Speaker 1: to get out of Roman slavery.
Speaker 8: Well, and under Kibli, when they would go through the
Speaker 8: levels of initiation, and finally on what they called the
Speaker 8: day of blood, when they would actually sever the member.
Speaker 8: They they knew they were entering into the cult as
Speaker 8: a slave of the goddess. But the goddess would you know,
Speaker 8: hold her hands out in protection of the galley or
Speaker 8: the you know, the base that.
Speaker 1: That person became a cleric administering to the priestesses of
Speaker 1: the temple. Yes, Now, why were the sacred whorees in
Speaker 1: those temples? They were the priestess. When a Roman soldier
Speaker 1: came home from the battlefield and they saw a lot
Speaker 1: of battlefield. They had to get rid of the PTSD,
Speaker 1: they had to get rid of the gross materialism, and
Speaker 1: the priests by opened with the priest bestowed this soldier's
Speaker 1: social soul that he was able to move back into society.
Speaker 1: So her function was quite regal. She prophecied, she did
Speaker 1: other things, you know what I'm saying. But their goddesses
Speaker 1: were loved as much as their gods, and their cults
Speaker 1: were great. This bastard child called Trands has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with any of it. And I've gotten all the
Speaker 1: literature on the pretense of going back to that old stuff.
Speaker 1: But you know they weren't trans There were no trans
Speaker 1: writers in any age. Okay, queer, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 1: A man with a beard wearing a dress? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And you know, well, you know, that's
Speaker 1: the only one that probably shouldn't have a job at
Speaker 1: the front counter. The rest of them, we don't know.
Speaker 1: They don't have to come in and tell us what
Speaker 1: they are. Well, I'm heterosexual, I want a job here,
Speaker 1: Mike is here.
Speaker 8: Well, I was going to say. There was an aspect
Speaker 8: within the Kibeline Attis manifestation that they were actually working
Speaker 8: themselves into, like you said, in an ecstatic state. But
Speaker 8: then they would also become married to the goddess herself
Speaker 8: in that androgine form, and then they could become a
Speaker 8: pathiosized and the goddess would basically popiosize them as there
Speaker 8: as a sort of a middleman savior, very much like
Speaker 8: mythras Jesus or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what that And that's an extreme form of right
Speaker 1: handed tantra right on the right right hand of the
Speaker 1: naked girl, and they don't touch her, right, that's right.
Speaker 6: I wanted to mention there there there was a cult
Speaker 6: in Russia that was into the castration thing and removal
Speaker 6: of the limbs to not true. I don't know if
Speaker 6: i'd listened, Robbie, if you knew about it. I believe it.
Speaker 6: I just looked it up. It's the Skoptsky cult. And
Speaker 6: they would remove limbs to prove their you know, worship
Speaker 6: dedication to the second, to prove their dedication.
Speaker 1: Ye gods so believed in Jesus, they allowed themselves to
Speaker 1: be crucified. Later, right, right, Andrew died martyrs, you know,
Speaker 1: so you look at all those martyrs, and it became
Speaker 1: a way to spiritually prove yourself. It was a guarantee
Speaker 1: into heaven. Right, if you die to martyrs as a
Speaker 1: Muslim on the field, you know, you get seventy two versions.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens to them next.
Speaker 8: But you know there's also the Yeah, there was also
Speaker 8: the idea of the suffering of the flesh cleanses the soul.
Speaker 8: And you see this in various forms through miscellaneous cultures worldwide.
Speaker 1: It is lom. You don't drink, you don't take in
Speaker 1: any inebriath, right, so you're sacrificed. You drink your wine
Speaker 1: in heaven. So heaven is an earthly material place. It's
Speaker 1: just the perfect place. And this is the problem with
Speaker 1: Plato and Aristotle, the subject of the video I just
Speaker 1: put up today. Plato creates this world of ideal forms
Speaker 1: that would be ultimately, to make a long story short,
Speaker 1: bastardized into heaven. And it was the perfect world. That
Speaker 1: Aristotle would say, this world as the imperfect world, is
Speaker 1: just as real, but it's evil because it's imperfect and
Speaker 1: constantly changing. Her medic axiom change equal stability. So you
Speaker 1: see that this idea creates the idea of original sin,
Speaker 1: heaven and hell. This stuff develops centuries later. In Christianity,
Speaker 1: hell didn't exist until something like seven hundred and eighty.
Speaker 9: I think that part of the Gnostic texts of Mary
Speaker 9: Magdalene and that she was claiming that Jesus had said
Speaker 9: that sin is more of a disease of the soul
Speaker 9: because you are not allowing the soul to become or
Speaker 9: to You're not allowing the soul to be who the
Speaker 9: soul was intended to be, and not exploring those moments
Speaker 9: for the soul to kind of reveal itself, reveal its
Speaker 9: purpose and then walk in that purpose. And that by
Speaker 9: you not doing those things that you were causing disease
Speaker 9: or disease of the soul itself. I believe that's what
Speaker 9: was in the Gnostic of Mary Magdalene.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thought, and I've heard that said, you
Speaker 1: know along outside of Magdalen's text. It's the word sin
Speaker 1: I have a problem with. It's made your definition and
Speaker 1: primordial definition is that it is making a God not happy,
Speaker 1: and that God is the ultimate voyeur. He watches everything
Speaker 1: you do, all of your most private moments, and he
Speaker 1: knows your every thought, and he's a he.
Speaker 5: Not just that, Paul, but if you go back to Exodus,
Speaker 5: the way that they describe the god of the bibler
Speaker 5: Yahweh is like a cloud by day, and then it
Speaker 5: would live in a box per night. I mean we've
Speaker 5: all gotten box, right, I mean the idea of this
Speaker 5: interdimensional AI thing, right, because he makes the chest plate
Speaker 5: of the priest's light up, right, So he stood up
Speaker 5: with this information sort of like an alternate dimension.
Speaker 1: The Covenant. They were just imitating the Egyptian gods, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: god had his own arc and it was carried ceremoniously,
Speaker 1: just like the Ark of the Covenant. Now those miraculous
Speaker 1: things have been ascribed to the Ark of the Covenant.
Speaker 1: And somebody walked up and touched and died in right.
Speaker 1: And there's all sorts of theories of static electricity. Somehow
Speaker 1: they had an electric engine going in all of this. Well,
Speaker 1: that story, okay, I used to play with for the
Speaker 1: you know, the Knicks and the Yankees, you know, in
Speaker 1: the Wolf season, And now I'm just here to mingle
Speaker 1: with the little people. Good story. You know, if you
Speaker 1: buy it, thank you very much. I still won't write
Speaker 1: you a check.
Speaker 2: I do have a friend who has kind of built
Speaker 2: an Oregon Box out of the dimensions of the arc,
Speaker 2: and he has done some wild stuff with that ship.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot very interesting about the Oregon Box. Uh.
Speaker 1: A former church member of Oars actually visited his property.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give his name, o Going Box. Who's
Speaker 1: the guy who invented the Orgon box.
Speaker 15: William Willel Mike Right, You've got to read his two
Speaker 15: book series on the orgasm.
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate in psychological reading and understanding the body.
Speaker 5: We live at a lot of heidos gambos, the sacred
Speaker 5: love between the Earth and the sky. That's basically what
Speaker 5: he's said, right.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and he's trying to play with the chiat
Speaker 1: natural forces, and he's trying to technologize that, you know,
Speaker 1: Alla tesla, right, And I think it's fascinating, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to build one. I did a lot
Speaker 1: of other things saying without a direct experience of it.
Speaker 1: After that, I can only say it's a brilliantly interesting theory.
Speaker 1: You've got to come up here. I know, You've got
Speaker 1: to come up here.
Speaker 5: The guy that Nick had on included radioactive material with
Speaker 5: his ore going and created an alternative energy source that would.
Speaker 1: Create paranormal events in this house. We're back to my
Speaker 1: former career with the Knicks and the Yanks.
Speaker 2: Who was that South.
Speaker 1: They can say anything and everything about this stuff, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's back to my whole analogy of you know,
Speaker 1: if I had all the grimoires in my head, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know, I might have my
Speaker 1: forty two versions on Earth.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm the biggest dick man. Hm, I'd have the
Speaker 4: biggest dick ever. You wouldn't even know there you got, well,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't be able to use it. It would you know,
Speaker 1: be a limp biscuit.
Speaker 4: Shoulder.
Speaker 1: You go, that's it thrown over the shoulder. You're gonna
Speaker 1: give me a wrestling match.
Speaker 5: I just think it's kind of like if you actually
Speaker 5: manifest ghosts, that's kind of it, like knocking on walls and.
Speaker 2: Stuff, wash them sho.
Speaker 1: I can't go for any of this stuff. I've watched
Speaker 1: the Wickens do their ghost tons with their you know,
Speaker 1: super secret plasma mirrors, and you know, just you know,
Speaker 1: it's all and it's oct joke. That doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: there aren't some poltic geist and there aren't some ghosts
Speaker 1: that walk around here and there, but you know there
Speaker 1: that's not really making the headlines because it's not really exciting,
Speaker 1: you know, good good campfire stuff. Though we used to
Speaker 1: tell scary stories at the campfire. We were scared ship
Speaker 1: let's going back to our tents. Men love to do
Speaker 1: it to us. That's what you getcouts.
Speaker 5: Do you not ascribe any kind of metaphysical meaning behind
Speaker 5: stuff like that feeling that talked about the the star
Speaker 5: trek and all these sort of futuristic type of ideas.
Speaker 1: I had even a full writing career long before the
Speaker 1: Internet existed. And the interesting thing in those days was
Speaker 1: you had to get an editor to approve your story,
Speaker 1: to find it interesting and of quality for the magazine
Speaker 1: that you know fulfilled that function and made the magazine richer.
Speaker 1: Now the Internet, ten thousand dumb ideas get the same
Speaker 1: amount of attention. It's one good idea, and the one
Speaker 1: good idea is generally lost and can't be found, and
Speaker 1: the ideas that remain are the ten thousand shitty ideas.
Speaker 1: And that noise is so frigging loud, you know, debating
Speaker 1: some intelligent guys at work, you know, because alls they
Speaker 1: do is, you know, I said, where do you get
Speaker 1: your news from? And we're debating politics and stuff, and
Speaker 1: they say, well, social media, as you see, you live
Speaker 1: in an echo cheap you know, and and and you
Speaker 1: know you can't formulate opinions. And just click on the
Speaker 1: first of those tales and your algorithm will light up
Speaker 1: with more and more and more because they have already
Speaker 1: all got one hundred and forty five million likes. And
Speaker 1: these guys are making money. When you get to your
Speaker 1: first level on YouTube of you know where they begin
Speaker 1: to pay you. You get your four thousand hours in
Speaker 1: a year, with one thousand subscribers, you start to make
Speaker 1: three dollars a month. You need sponsors, and you got
Speaker 1: to build your audience. And the sponsors are going to say, well, listen,
Speaker 1: everybody wants to hear about the UFO that stood on
Speaker 1: top of the pyramid. So this is what you got
Speaker 1: to make or I ain't going to be a sponsor
Speaker 1: your video. Well, jeems a sponsor, You're going to give
Speaker 1: you one thousand dollars this month. I'm going to make
Speaker 1: five of them for you. That's what's going on. And
Speaker 1: it's a ten thousand dumb ideas to one rational good
Speaker 1: and intelligent idea and that's all over the place, and
Speaker 1: learning to listen with a great degree of skepticism is
Speaker 1: the beginning of a Gnostic approach to the information, because
Speaker 1: information and knowledge are not the same thing, and it
Speaker 1: has been abused and cold knowledge. I could take any
Speaker 1: statistic and make it read anything you want me to
Speaker 1: derive out of it.
Speaker 4: Amen, or whatever you guys say in the Gnostic church.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, say that again.
Speaker 5: What do you guys say, happened?
Speaker 1: What do we got? What do we say in the
Speaker 1: Gnostic church?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: When you pray, oh Gnostic prayer. I did write an
Speaker 1: article on that, because you're not praying to any external thing, right,
Speaker 1: So really, what it is is a rumination. We might
Speaker 1: start with a line of holy writ I am the heart,
Speaker 1: and this snake is entwined about the invisible core of
Speaker 1: the mind. Rise, oh, my snake, it is now is
Speaker 1: the hour of the Hoodeden, holy ineffable flower, Rise on
Speaker 1: my steak into brilliance of bloom on the corpse of
Speaker 1: asiris afloat in my tomb. I'm gonna start forgetting after that.
Speaker 1: But I might take that first verse of liber sixty
Speaker 1: five five and start to ruminate on it. What's that saying?
Speaker 1: What I am the heart? Is that mean we're talking
Speaker 1: about my Holy Guardian Angel? You know? And I might
Speaker 1: start to go that way or am I compare it
Speaker 1: to some other you know, holy writ somewhere else that
Speaker 1: that you know, obekly references.
Speaker 5: That sounds really orfic.
Speaker 1: That sounds really.
Speaker 5: Orphic, like you've got the whole rock constructured out and
Speaker 5: you're using it kind of hexameter. I mean you could
Speaker 5: apply hexam to it. That's that's great poetry right there,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and as sacred writ that poetry comes alive in you.
Speaker 1: You know, we tell people when you memorize one of
Speaker 1: those five chapters, you know you're really having your first
Speaker 1: experience with your Holy Guardian Angel, even though you're not
Speaker 1: aware of it. And it goes on from there.
Speaker 8: I was going to say, the sibling Prophecy spoke in
Speaker 8: the hexameter.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't a h an actual you know, uh
Speaker 5: prophecy unless it was in hexameter.
Speaker 1: Right, that's how they checked it, X being the sacred
Speaker 1: number six from which we weave a spelled the hex
Speaker 1: checks and yeah, it's that old blue song I put
Speaker 1: hex on you.
Speaker 5: I actually heard something about the hecks that was really
Speaker 5: kind of interesting. This guy Museum of Taro was talking
Speaker 5: about the Flower of life, and the flower of life
Speaker 5: came from a nineteen seventies guru guy who didn't know
Speaker 5: what the hell he was looking at, and so he
Speaker 5: saw this little glyph on the side of a tomb
Speaker 5: in Egypt. It was kind of the flower of life shaping.
Speaker 5: This is the most holy shape there is, and they
Speaker 5: formed this whole geometry out of the flower of life
Speaker 5: that really was at present in the original sketch. Well,
Speaker 5: this guy went back and looked at the original data
Speaker 5: and what that was was a heck sign. It was
Speaker 5: a Christian putting a curse on the Egyptian gods.
Speaker 1: And flower of life was according.
Speaker 5: To the archaeologists that were reading it out. So it
Speaker 5: was kind of interesting because if you look at DNA structure,
Speaker 5: it looks exactly like that flower of life. So yeah,
Speaker 5: under the electron microscope, right, that's the depression you get
Speaker 5: from it. Well, if Jesus is the son of Man
Speaker 5: and this hex sign goes all the way up through
Speaker 5: the amesh why they could actually have a connection to
Speaker 5: that original Like Christian magic.
Speaker 1: You've got to realize the original Christian symbol was an
Speaker 1: x a key right or kai. Right, So you know
Speaker 1: the Cairo was you know, the letter R, which would
Speaker 1: be look like a P and and you know, and
Speaker 1: the kai and and in this sign in Siga, you know,
Speaker 1: in so the Cairo, the pope holds up a stick
Speaker 1: with an across with an X on it because that's
Speaker 1: the Cairo. Okay. So the symbols are deep and come
Speaker 1: out of Greco Roman tradition. You know, the Catholic Church,
Speaker 1: you know, really said out in a certain sense, to
Speaker 1: do something good, to grow. Christianity was sweeping the land.
Speaker 1: And while these religions are terribly dead and misunderstood today,
Speaker 1: we do need a new religion. We need something new
Speaker 1: in our culture. I think the Holy Books is Salima
Speaker 1: will offer that. They offer new symbols, They offer a
Speaker 1: fresh start. And I think that's what makes the Islema
Speaker 1: Kabbalah real magic. I think there's.
Speaker 6: There's so much good, there's.
Speaker 5: So much deep meaning you can get out of the
Speaker 5: Greek stories themselves. And then once you start to apply
Speaker 5: that to the Greek language, right, and the understanding between
Speaker 5: the two is like a mind expanding experience.
Speaker 1: Well, every language has its mystical connection when you can
Speaker 1: speak it, so yes, with the Greece and as such
Speaker 1: a learned culture, right, and of course the Holy Books
Speaker 1: is Lima are written in English and it's the American language. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think Crowley would have tried to argue for the British.
Speaker 1: But I really believe that America is the third temple.
Speaker 1: And that's my own speculation, right, But it all makes sense.
Speaker 1: The Book of the Law makes sense for American culture.
Speaker 1: British culture kind of died when we became the world's
Speaker 1: currency in nineteen fifty. The British Empire finally just died.
Speaker 1: And while they pretend to empire yet that's great, there's
Speaker 1: still very there's still a large about Great Britain. But
Speaker 1: without America, they're very tiny. Yeah, we are huge, we
Speaker 1: are Rome, we are Egypt. And those were the first
Speaker 1: two temples.
Speaker 5: Like have you ever read America instany by Man?
Speaker 1: I've not read that particular tracked by him. I didn't
Speaker 1: even really know it existed, but it sure fits in
Speaker 1: with ross Crucian themes because there's that one I just
Speaker 1: I tink a video on it that you know, the
Speaker 1: utopia that came out with the Ross Crucians, and some
Speaker 1: claim was really what they were trying to do with
Speaker 1: the Masons here in America because Franklin was connected with
Speaker 1: the American Masons and the French Roscrucians. Are you talking
Speaker 1: about the stars.
Speaker 6: The sixty eighth.
Speaker 5: Convocation by the Rosa Crucians in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything of that.
Speaker 5: They picked out the American seal, you know, the pyramid
Speaker 5: with the eye on it. They picked that out in
Speaker 5: nineteen sixteen and it was later adopted in two That
Speaker 5: was there, that book, The Fact and.
Speaker 1: Of the Renaissance. They were reading Greek for the first time,
Speaker 1: all these documents that belonged to the Arab world that
Speaker 1: got translated back into Latin into their tongues. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we lost a lot with the rise of modern science
Speaker 1: and the establishment of the Roman cleric world. And you'll
Speaker 1: notice that as the Renaissance comes, the clerics, the Roman
Speaker 1: Church lost power and we became a more secular culture. Well,
Speaker 1: the opposite happened in Arabia, where their culture was much
Speaker 1: more enlightened than the European culture. But the clerics rose
Speaker 1: and the knowledge index went down.
Speaker 12: Okay, and so we see the way power regulates itself.
Speaker 12: We see the modus operandi of power and what happens
Speaker 12: when that power goes unchecked. You know, the secularism in
Speaker 12: our culture checked clerical culture, and the clerical culture is
Speaker 12: checking the secular culture in the Middle East.
Speaker 1: Right. That's not to say we don't have all sorts
Speaker 1: of streams of religiosity and spirituality in our culture. America's
Speaker 1: rife with it. There's a yoga center right down the street,
Speaker 1: just make a point.
Speaker 5: I believe that American folk magic was probably one of
Speaker 5: the dominant religions until about eighteen fifty. That's a long
Speaker 5: time for American folk magic to exist as sort of
Speaker 5: like an open practice.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you haven't been to a Pentecostal session then,
Speaker 1: I guess that's what it became.
Speaker 5: But it was it was far more local and practiced
Speaker 5: on that level before as.
Speaker 1: It has been a folk magic. It was always considered
Speaker 1: an an ignorant magic. It was a magic of the
Speaker 1: uneducated people. You know, pagan means folk.
Speaker 5: Close to the land.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you got an uneducated people very close to
Speaker 1: the land, and I'm sure there was you know, lots
Speaker 1: that they were able to do and and lots that
Speaker 1: they learned, but don't conflate that with high matter. Don't
Speaker 1: complate that with the magic that belongs to the intelligentsia
Speaker 1: in the educated world.
Speaker 6: I wanted to mention actually in regards to magic, uh,
Speaker 6: and what you mentioned earlier about hex and six and
Speaker 6: sex even in this in there too, right phonetically they're
Speaker 6: not just by chance similar, right, and it goes back
Speaker 6: to maybe one stream anyway, heca a god in Egypt
Speaker 6: of magic, and right next to that is the measurement
Speaker 6: system of Egypt, which has us he gets in sixty fourths, right,
Speaker 6: and that's related to the Eye of Osiris and what
Speaker 6: we would say the evil eye because of its connotation
Speaker 6: of magic power.
Speaker 1: No, so I just won't mention that. You know, all
Speaker 1: the origin stories of the world had a god and
Speaker 1: the goddess, right, and God and the goddess made it,
Speaker 1: and you know baby gods demigods were born right, and
Speaker 1: and you keep sitting down until you get to man. Right. Now,
Speaker 1: there's some stories like Taw in Egypt, Well, he just
Speaker 1: masturbated and that created all the worlds. And probably that's
Speaker 1: probably why Judaism became very patriarchal. You know, because they
Speaker 1: really borrowed heavily from Egyptian culture, but in the male
Speaker 1: and female pair that gets hidden in the cabalo because
Speaker 1: they had to switch from a dualistic philosophy to a
Speaker 1: monotheistic philosophy, and so he had to hide.
Speaker 5: Have you ever heard of the hydros gamos?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm familiar with the Latin phrase.
Speaker 5: No, this is a it's a Greek phrase that means holy, sacred,
Speaker 5: and it implies sex between a god and a goddess.
Speaker 1: I've not heard, but that certainly makes sense, right, because
Speaker 1: it's it's the generation of life, right, that's in.
Speaker 5: Power the very first god and goddess in the Greek
Speaker 5: myths Wash and Gaya, and so these two the meeting
Speaker 5: between the earth and the skies where everything is happening,
Speaker 5: and that's that's the birth of the gods. All of
Speaker 5: the Titans come from them, and then later the Olympians.
Speaker 5: But the whole idea there is.
Speaker 1: What happens, what happens to him is another problem. You know,
Speaker 1: We're back to the separation.
Speaker 5: It's chaos and order, separation and union like these are
Speaker 5: the main themes of all of the theogony, and having
Speaker 5: those as the core of it really does change once
Speaker 5: you start to understand that penetrated all their language. So
Speaker 5: death and the god of death were the same word,
Speaker 5: you know, so everything was put into the context of
Speaker 5: the gods in the in the Greek language.
Speaker 6: Thing I've noticed in cosmology and theology too, as we're
Speaker 6: discussing but may not be kind of formulating it this way,
Speaker 6: is that there is practically always the male and the female,
Speaker 6: and the truth and the chaos, or God and its detractor.
Speaker 6: There's these two pairings quite frequently, if not always, you
Speaker 6: dare say, always the fire and the water.
Speaker 5: We're listing that in our current language, you know, we
Speaker 5: don't have that sort of context. Instead, it's all based
Speaker 5: around Jesus. And it's like, how is that life affirming?
Speaker 5: You've got a guy up on a cross all the time.
Speaker 5: That's like in affront is zone y.
Speaker 1: It's all he does is die, judges dead. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: if you're a good boy and girl, you'll get to
Speaker 1: go there and see you one day, right, you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit of luck, you'll be at the bard hell,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's got to be boring up there,
Speaker 1: so above the abyss in the highest world of the
Speaker 1: Kabala is the looks, the LVX, the light, the divine.
Speaker 1: It emanates down into tiffraith, the heart. The soul becomes
Speaker 1: the Adam Cadman, who in Hebrew Kabala secretly hides the Shakina.
Speaker 1: But we can assert that the Adam Cadman is what
Speaker 1: is it when you're both sexist at the same time.
Speaker 16: And divine hermaphrodite yeahite, so that its reflection in manifestation
Speaker 16: in the world gives us both male and female.
Speaker 1: Okay, the Shakino or spirit of God becomes Babylon, the
Speaker 1: sexual goddess that allures us to creativity. Now in the Zohar,
Speaker 1: she's rejected. That's the only way for Joseph I Forgot's
Speaker 1: name to make good with God, and this is them
Speaker 1: moving towards their patriarchal culture. But in Thilema, that goddess,
Speaker 1: bedecked with her jewels and all her allures, is arousing
Speaker 1: them male to create life. So you get the union
Speaker 1: of the God and the goddess. Now in Tantra and
Speaker 1: Western Tantra that can create more than physical babies. There's
Speaker 1: a whole process of ideas of what that could possibly generate.
Speaker 1: There's theories on it, whatever else. I think for a
Speaker 1: young couple that is disciplined, I think it can help
Speaker 1: them define a unique spiritual height. There's great danger opening
Speaker 1: that much energy for somebody really not prepared for it.
Speaker 1: And I think by the time most people uh really
Speaker 1: figure it all out, they're too old to do much
Speaker 1: about it. So we've got to understand that our world
Speaker 1: is a representation of the Bayoun God, the light, the looks,
Speaker 1: and we are each male and female part of that
Speaker 1: Bayjun God, so that when we find that sacred conjugation,
Speaker 1: we find something quite divine. The I think I think
Speaker 1: of the power couple, you know, the power couple. They're
Speaker 1: going into politics and they're both going to be politicians
Speaker 1: or the ones going to support the other, or or
Speaker 1: they're going into business or they're establishing a church. Right,
Speaker 1: they're all going to get you know, people for Jesus,
Speaker 1: but they're going to make a million dollars and whatever
Speaker 1: that power you know, good bad are and different. Whatever
Speaker 1: that power couples after, I think that form of sexual
Speaker 1: magic can be very, very valuable. Like I was saying before,
Speaker 1: when that translates to you know, outside of a committee couple,
Speaker 1: you run into danger because you better be working entirely
Speaker 1: with adepts who all know why they're there, and they're
Speaker 1: disciplined already for wanting to be there.
Speaker 5: Well, there is a theory that the Greeks were high
Speaker 5: on sex drugs all the time, like twenty four hours
Speaker 5: a day they were. They were dosing themselves.
Speaker 1: With sex drugs. Yeah, and they kill people like crazy,
Speaker 1: But I ain't going to kill anybody.
Speaker 17: Well, Like I was talking about the world, the ancient world,
Speaker 17: and the ref instance back to that that you know,
Speaker 17: seem to validate and affirm a position.
Speaker 6: That we might have.
Speaker 1: Is more an abuse of Greek culture than it is
Speaker 1: really really important, because the ancient world is something we
Speaker 1: don't have that mindset, We don't understand it. It's why
Speaker 1: I'm into Western magic because even though we have a
Speaker 1: lot of Indian influence in this country, I wasn't born
Speaker 1: and raised to Hindu. I don't know anything of that culture.
Speaker 1: I couldn't give up Jesus for Krishna. I tried. I
Speaker 1: was a teenager, you know, so I wasn't very disciplined,
Speaker 1: but I tried. And so we have to find our
Speaker 1: way through where we are. And this general trend of
Speaker 1: on the internet that is creating all these things. All
Speaker 1: the Greeks did this, and the Assyrians did that, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever group did this or that, and the
Speaker 1: Mayans had a calendar, and we're all going to die
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, you know. It's just like we're all
Speaker 1: going to die when nineteen ninety nine became two thousand,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you know what's to do. The
Speaker 1: Seventh day Adventists keep going up every year in the mountain.
Speaker 1: The Bible says, it's today, Oop, it's wrong, let's go
Speaker 1: back and buy back everything we owned.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's interesting that you've got the story
Speaker 5: of Adam and Eve being centered around their nakedness, you know,
Speaker 5: because that was like one of the hallmarks of Greek art,
Speaker 5: that you had these nudes everywhere. Well, the issue is
Speaker 5: a problem with it, right, Well, somebody did and they
Speaker 5: basically turned the first sin into being naked.
Speaker 1: It's almost perfectly out the Greek.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't think it was that they turned nakedness
Speaker 9: into a sin. Is that they had become aware that
Speaker 9: they were in the knowledge. The taking of the fruit
Speaker 9: was making them aware of their nakedness. And I think
Speaker 9: it was the moment in which they severed their tie
Speaker 9: to the natural world, the world that.
Speaker 1: Also brought shame to our sexuality exactly exactly, and still
Speaker 1: struggling to get out of it, you know. And men,
Speaker 1: but they don't know it because men can go fuck
Speaker 1: everything they want. And the woman, you know, if she
Speaker 1: fucks everything she wants, she's a whore. You know, it's
Speaker 1: the end of fucking for her. Okay. So we have
Speaker 1: this incredible urge for sex that is a major human
Speaker 1: drive in the psyche, especially in the younger person, and
Speaker 1: in the younger person especially it's hyper you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, sex is only good at five
Speaker 1: times a day, you know, which would be a hor
Speaker 1: story for me, okay, no matter or what I dream
Speaker 1: of in the locker room. So the Hebrews were putting
Speaker 1: shame on sex. They you know, mutilated the male penis
Speaker 1: for the same reason the shame of nakedness was taught.
Speaker 1: It was not natural. But we can say this, our
Speaker 1: nakedness is a backwardness. It's an uncivilized state. In reality,
Speaker 1: we're not dogs. We don't walk down the street and say, oh,
Speaker 1: I think you're a cute, Come on, let's fuck, you know,
Speaker 1: and do it on the sidewalk, but a dog will, okay.
Speaker 1: So we were trying to evolve out of our animal structure.
Speaker 1: The ancient world, nakedness was you know, especially in hot climates.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, you know the
Speaker 1: wine cloth was too hot, right, So, and men fought naked,
Speaker 1: they fought battles, you know, So there was not the
Speaker 1: sexual taboo. We're stuck with the sexual taboo, okay, and
Speaker 1: that hurts both sides. It has both sides accusing each
Speaker 1: other all sorts of ship in our world today, and
Speaker 1: the ones that are sucking their brains out, they think
Speaker 1: they're around the sexual taboo, but they're not. They're just
Speaker 1: engaging that much deeper. Right.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean it goes back to fertility rituals, because
Speaker 5: they had massive fertility rituals that were basically just public fucking,
Speaker 5: you know. I mean that was something that was very
Speaker 5: homework to the Greek.
Speaker 7: We did.
Speaker 1: You've got the was you know, orgy was part of
Speaker 1: certain sacred rights, right you know, remember you did have
Speaker 1: the you didn't have the scarlet woman, the temple WHRs,
Speaker 1: and these were elevated women of high respect, you know,
Speaker 1: in a color sure that we cannot understand because we
Speaker 1: are victims of the sexual taboo, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's good today that we can at least
Speaker 1: begin to talk about it. But again there's those ten
Speaker 1: thousand voices that got nothing good to say, so it's
Speaker 1: going to be tough time getting through it. Yet.
Speaker 5: Well, I just think it's interesting that the difference in
Speaker 5: perspective because you could really see it playing out in
Speaker 5: first the second century AD and BC, like all this
Speaker 5: public sex and fertility self really started to come up
Speaker 5: against other pressures in that kind of world, especially always
Speaker 5: growing right.
Speaker 1: It was growing right, so as we grew into full Christendom,
Speaker 1: and that would still take another seven hundred years, that
Speaker 1: taboo developed into the moreras of its time. And so
Speaker 1: you know, the bride walks down the aisle in a
Speaker 1: white outfit because she's never been touched, and the groom
Speaker 1: can be in black, goes, who the fuck cares how
Speaker 1: many people he fucked, But she's got to come pure
Speaker 1: and virginal, and we can prove whether or not she's
Speaker 1: a virgin. We can't do the same for the guy.
Speaker 1: So we built this two tiered society where the taboo
Speaker 1: holds itself to both sides. You know, the guy that is,
Speaker 1: you know, fortunate enough to be, you know, a whore,
Speaker 1: he loses his respect for his whole feminine half. I
Speaker 1: think the women that truly remain chased with with respect
Speaker 1: for their whole masculine half. And so we're all dying
Speaker 1: in this culture and trying to find our way through it.
Speaker 1: Some are going to evade sexual issue altogether. I'm going
Speaker 1: to become a monk, right. Some are going to find
Speaker 1: how wack a doodle they can get with their sexuality
Speaker 1: until they end up in the night club, so that
Speaker 1: open up at two o'clock in the morning when the
Speaker 1: bars are shutting down.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I think it's funny how cultures that sort
Speaker 5: of kept behold of this idea of fertility and went
Speaker 5: into the modern world more than and cultural uh you know,
Speaker 5: shame they still carry around these big giant dicks. Like
Speaker 5: in Japan they have huge penis festivals representative of those
Speaker 5: early fertility rights.
Speaker 1: So yeah, giant penis became a symbol of fertility, right.
Speaker 5: Okay, around there is the pallace of Shiva.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that what's that uh, that shape. I'll
Speaker 1: try to draw it here. Vesca pices, the vesca pices,
Speaker 1: that's the female genitalia, right, and the religious symbol appears
Speaker 1: inside the vesca pieces.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 1: So you put the the, the the the and what's
Speaker 1: the third part of God, the Holy Spirit into a dove,
Speaker 1: and you put it in the vesca piis and he
Speaker 1: becomes a semen that goes into the cup the vagina
Speaker 1: where the semen is nursed and becomes a baby. Now
Speaker 1: it was thought the old world quite incorrectly that you know,
Speaker 1: the semen was already a full baby. So there's old
Speaker 1: couple ofs on how to create a hymunculus.
Speaker 5: Have you ever seen the top view looking down on
Speaker 5: the Washington Monument.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't go there myself. I went from
Speaker 1: the bottom and stayed there.
Speaker 8: It's it's the Cyrus's phallus inside of Thes's side of.
Speaker 1: A jed right there. This is right in Washington, se
Speaker 1: those Masons and Rosa Crucians were very where the symbols
Speaker 1: the whole la. Yeah see, I talk about it in
Speaker 1: my that in my book the story Nosis about the
Speaker 1: whole story layout of Washington, d C. I think it's
Speaker 1: really important to understand the mystical roots of the American ideal, right,
Speaker 1: and how it competed with the Calvinistic ideal that came
Speaker 1: here as Puritan.
Speaker 8: Well, and that whole idea, well, that whole idea of
Speaker 8: the obelisk and the vesical pil I mean, you got
Speaker 8: to figure they're they're putting forth symbology to generate a
Speaker 8: new nation. So it's this fertility that they're trying to
Speaker 8: instill as the base of the creation of the nation itself.
Speaker 1: Symbolically, you know, weren't having sex and the Masonic halls,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, if they were, you know,
Speaker 1: there's some people. We got to get to know them better.
Speaker 1: But keep your hands off my shoulders, Paul.
Speaker 9: But I think also that they kind of got it
Speaker 9: a little bit backwards in that the penis itself is
Speaker 9: not a symbol of fertility, but actually the scrotal sack,
Speaker 9: the scrotum, the sperm that is the fertility, the overatting, that's.
Speaker 1: Where the seaman Originated's just if the eggs originate far
Speaker 1: deeper inside the vagina.
Speaker 10: Correct.
Speaker 9: And so if you look at you know, embryology, you
Speaker 9: do see that the labia of a female ends up
Speaker 9: becoming the outer scrotal sack of the testes. So when
Speaker 9: you talk about the besica pisces, you're talking about one
Speaker 9: and the same, just a morphology movement based on your
Speaker 9: genetic you know, archaeology, archaeology, architecture.
Speaker 1: But the other thing, you have an incorrect male perspective.
Speaker 10: Okay.
Speaker 1: But because the male sees the erect penis going in
Speaker 1: through the lavia, and that's his primary concern, Okay. The
Speaker 1: more experienced man wants to figure out how to bring
Speaker 1: the woman to more sexual fulfillment, and so he'll experiment
Speaker 1: more with the glitoraes as long as you don't tell
Speaker 1: him that the guitarist is actually longer than his penis, okay,
Speaker 1: and the female is far more sexually susceptible. She will
Speaker 1: go into an erotic trance. So Crompley used this in
Speaker 1: his magic. He would stimulate the female to an erotic
Speaker 1: trance so that she her personality will step outside of
Speaker 1: her body and the invoked God then will resume the body.
Speaker 1: And that's how the sexual right worked. And that's of
Speaker 1: course they were doing another right which actually creates a baby.
Speaker 1: Different right.
Speaker 9: Now, the glitteri is actually forms the head of the
Speaker 9: penis in embryology, but I'm talking about the labia itself
Speaker 9: forms the outside part of the scrotal sac and in
Speaker 9: like at least with cattle production, we measure the circumference
Speaker 9: of the scrotum of bulls in order to dictate how
Speaker 9: fertile his daughters will become. And so there is that
Speaker 9: type of parallelism across at leads domestic animals that you
Speaker 9: can look at in terms of testes and scrotum and
Speaker 9: all that stuff to indicate fertility, whereas the female the
Speaker 9: fertility is within.
Speaker 1: Saillary fertility and sexual ecstasy are two different.
Speaker 10: Correct correct, but one primes the other.
Speaker 1: The erect penis in the laby are are kind of
Speaker 1: the bosses, okay, because he really doesn't have that much
Speaker 1: control on what's going on inside the vagina. Okay, he can,
Speaker 1: you know, go for the spot, and that's so far
Speaker 1: towards the front that he's still not in foreign territory there.
Speaker 1: So in that ecstatic experience, because this is something that
Speaker 1: gets prolonged, there's a certain insanity that goes to the
Speaker 1: female and the male needs to maintain a control where
Speaker 1: the female needs to earn how to let go, and
Speaker 1: letting go is a danger for her, and losing control
Speaker 1: is kind of a danger for the boat. So when
Speaker 1: you're building up this ecstasy to an inspirational point that
Speaker 1: you're pulling in spirit, that you're moving energy is something
Speaker 1: that's the limmicult to formula of on because the sex
Speaker 1: happens in one separat in the tree, and it happens
Speaker 1: in the path between two cephros on the tree, I
Speaker 1: should say, each being the male and female Sefero, net
Speaker 1: Zac and hud and they travel the tower at two
Speaker 1: and if she receives the energy, she brings it up
Speaker 1: to Tiffret and then he takes it back down and
Speaker 1: they start the circulata, to use an alchemical term, where
Speaker 1: they make the energy go round and around and around,
Speaker 1: and they're playing with the undulating spasms of orgasm, which
Speaker 1: for both is an involuntary action. There is a reason
Speaker 1: why laughter is considered an orgasm. It's an involuntary reaction.
Speaker 1: And some boys do figure out that if she's laughing
Speaker 1: at my jokes, I got a chance for a date, okay,
Speaker 1: because it's it endears us, just the way sex partners
Speaker 1: become endeared to each other. You start hanging out with
Speaker 1: a process, dude, you're really enduring yourself with something you
Speaker 1: might not want to play with.
Speaker 9: Which is all the basis of oxytosin secretion. Of what
Speaker 9: oxytosein secretion. Oxytocin is the primary hormone during orgasm, during lactation,
Speaker 9: during copulation, of bonding, laughter, and so forth, And so
Speaker 9: that is like to have during fertility or during a
Speaker 9: fertile moment or whatever. The heightenedness of orgasm, the heightenness
Speaker 9: of oxytocin actually propels and makes for the fertility effort
Speaker 9: that much more effective, so to speak, because there is thought,
Speaker 9: how in the interaction or the foreplay, or even within conversation,
Speaker 9: and there has not even been any kind of physical touch.
Speaker 9: The female ovary has already sent signals for the sperm
Speaker 9: that she has chosen within his testes, and so when
Speaker 9: the act happens, it is the ovum that has already
Speaker 9: sent the pheromonic chemical signals to that one sperm of
Speaker 9: six hundred thousand to be selected to penetrate her certain pellucida.
Speaker 9: And then obviously you have that chemical reaction of zinc
Speaker 9: ions exploding, and then you have the boom or whatever,
Speaker 9: and then the manifestation or the ability to trap spirit
Speaker 9: into matter, the singularity, which is what CERN is trying
Speaker 9: to replicate all over again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're trying. I still think the miracle of the
Speaker 1: human body is stupendous, and I do this to a machine,
Speaker 1: you know. I feel so sorry for young people today
Speaker 1: when they call those guys that have no access to sex.
Speaker 18: They have a name for the the yes, the you know,
Speaker 18: if the guys ain't getting it, the girls ain't getting
Speaker 18: it either.
Speaker 1: And they're all busy online and they're afraid to talk
Speaker 1: to each other. They're all trapped in their phones. Well,
Speaker 1: and it's no wonder they're reaching for a machine, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean even these robots they're building that, right, you
Speaker 1: can go get your sex robot. And the old way
Speaker 1: is still the best way. Hi, how are you drink?
Speaker 8: That's the whole thing. That's the whole thing. Is we
Speaker 8: are the mystery, yes, you know, And when we're looking
Speaker 8: for all these exterior things, you know, we're we're resolving
Speaker 8: ourselves of you know, knowing thyself and seeking the true self.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the true self is us right in the
Speaker 1: here and now, okay, and my true self will be
Speaker 1: my true self until the day I die whenever, and
Speaker 1: says to that it is speculation. But while I'm still breathing,
Speaker 1: and you know, I've lived more years now than I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let I can count with a reasonable guess how
Speaker 1: much time I got left. And that is that's the
Speaker 1: life to grab. There's a wonderful Hindu story. A man
Speaker 1: falls into a well, but before getting to the bottom,
Speaker 1: he manages to grab a branch and hang on. As
Speaker 1: he looks down, he sees at the bottom of the
Speaker 1: well is a whole bunch of poisonous serpents, and when
Speaker 1: he looks up there's a whole swarm of bees. So
Speaker 1: if he manages to climb out, he'll get stung to death,
Speaker 1: and if he falls, he'll get stung to death. In
Speaker 1: one moment, a drop of honey falls down and he
Speaker 1: reaches out with his other hand and catches the drop
Speaker 1: and tastes that honey. In this moment, you are real
Speaker 1: as I am real, and you are God as I
Speaker 1: am God. Get to this moment and every moment. Get
Speaker 1: to this moment, and you can develop a force of psyche,
Speaker 1: whether you take that into sex, magic or reading holy
Speaker 1: books or both, or whatever. Or into your art and
Speaker 1: your painting and your music playing. It doesn't matter which
Speaker 1: way you go. It's just a matter of my poor dog,
Speaker 1: it's this moment that you're trying to get to, that
Speaker 1: moment of orgasm. We all say, I come, you're coming
Speaker 1: to this moment. I've arrived. That's how I used to
Speaker 1: say it. I've arrived. Now it's or I come. What
Speaker 1: do you want to call them? Did I make you? Please?
Speaker 1: Dear tell me I made you come. Let me know
Speaker 1: that I'm viable. But I'm truly a man. You can
Speaker 1: see that I know all the problems of younger boys.
Speaker 2: Well, you were one of yourself at one point.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I walked funny when she looked at me too.
Speaker 1: I just forgot how to walk.
Speaker 8: It's just a flesh that gets older.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and then the pipe dreams
Speaker 1: get more realistic, right right. You know. There's a joke
Speaker 1: and a young man comes upon an old man sitting
Speaker 1: on a park bench, and the old man's crying. POCKETI here,
Speaker 1: he says, old man, what's the matter? I married a
Speaker 1: girl forty years younger than me. She cooks like a dream.
Speaker 1: It's the best sex I've had in years. Young man says, well,
Speaker 1: why you're crying? He says, I can't remember where I live.
Speaker 1: That was a lot funnier to me.
Speaker 2: Right, Uh was there? Unfortunately just because dude at the time,
Speaker 2: I had to have to get going. And this shows
Speaker 2: way over two hours. Is there anything else anybody wanted
Speaker 2: to add before we start wrapping this up? Okay, all right, Paul,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. Before we close it, I will
Speaker 2: let the other people plug themselves. Headless, you want to
Speaker 2: let everybody know where they can find you, please, good sir.
Speaker 1: Yeah, find our subreddit. Please wait, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: I'll let you go.
Speaker 2: I was asking headless, Yeah, headless, and you're muted by
Speaker 2: one second.
Speaker 5: That. Yeah, So you can find me on Headless Giant
Speaker 5: Podcast on.
Speaker 6: Uh YouTube.
Speaker 5: And if you want to send me an email of
Speaker 5: your occult esoteric magical stories, you can check out. My
Speaker 5: email address is Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 5: We're reading a bunch of them, probably on Wednesdays or Thursdays,
Speaker 5: so come check that out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, please send them over if you got any.
Speaker 2: And Robbie March real quick, Robbie, let everybody know where
Speaker 2: they can find your stuff as well. Please.
Speaker 8: Yeah, first and foremost, I'm an artist. I also have
Speaker 8: my podcast, the Metalmind Cast. But you can check out
Speaker 8: all my stuff social media. Everything is at my link tree,
Speaker 8: which is link tree r M A r X and
Speaker 8: then I'll pull up everything.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Thank you Robbie, Mark and Ethan to go. Let
Speaker 2: everybody know where they can find your writings, please, sir.
Speaker 6: That was awesome. Thank you Paul for presenting that and everyone.
Speaker 6: And I'm on the usual social media and so forth,
Speaker 6: on Amazon and elsewhere. I got a bunch of articles
Speaker 6: out there too.
Speaker 1: So awesome, and I thank you to everybody. I thought
Speaker 1: great questions, wonderful ideas, and you made it fun for me.
Speaker 2: Awesome, good, good and Paul, Now you can let everybody
Speaker 2: know where they can find your stuff, please. I don't know.
Speaker 1: They can find me on Reddit. Look for me on Reddit.
Speaker 1: Our church subreddit Nastick Church of lv X, and I
Speaker 1: started laying look us for us on Facebook. Those are
Speaker 1: places we can interact with me. Find our Nastick Church
Speaker 1: of Light YouTube. Lots of great stuff. I love the
Speaker 1: video I put up today. I just really think it
Speaker 1: has something to say and we talked a bit about it.
Speaker 1: You know. Problem with Plato and Aristotle, so you can
Speaker 1: dig it a little bit deeper. There find my blog
Speaker 1: pulled Joseph Vellido blogspot dot com or or something like that.
Speaker 1: You won't have heart and and you know, you can
Speaker 1: just type my name into the internet and.
Speaker 2: You'll come up. Definitely will show up. Yes, you can
Speaker 2: say something nice and I'll let I'm sure I have
Speaker 2: links from the last time, and I will include those
Speaker 2: as well in the show notes. Again, thank you will
Speaker 2: for coming on. I appreciate it. When we did have one.
Speaker 2: His links are in the bottom. He did have to
Speaker 2: leave early so he couldn't plug himself. So yeah, check
Speaker 2: out his show and I think you guys will get
Speaker 2: something out of it. And again the links are in
Speaker 2: the bottom. And until the next one, everybody be well.
Speaker 1: Later, be well, everybody,