WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:15.519 You see, something's going to happen. What? What's going to happen? What? 2 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:28.079 Welcome to the Occult Rejects. In this episode, I got 3 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:30.760 a bunch of people joining us today. I got Lisa 4 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:35.359 the cult reject, mad scientist herself. I got the Headless Giant, 5 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:39.759 I got the o g Robbie Marx, we got Ethan Indigo, 6 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:42.719 and we got two guests joining us tonight. We got 7 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:45.759 one from One on One podcast. We had him on 8 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:48.920 to talk about the Homoculous and I really wanted to 9 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:50.520 get him back on it that We had a good chat. 10 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:55.119 And we got the og himself too, Paul Joseph Ravelli. 11 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:57.840 We've had him on the show before. He's got a 12 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:00.920 bunch of books, He's got these own gnastic church. If 13 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.600 you haven't listened to that episode yet, I highly suggest 14 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:06.439 to go turn this one off, go back listen to 15 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:08.280 that one, and then come back to this one. But 16 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:10.719 uh yeah, Paul, thank you very much for coming on, 17 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:14.040 and one I really appreciate it as well. Real quick, 18 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:17.040 I'll let you two guys plug your show one real quick. 19 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:19.599 Let everybody know where they can find all your amazing work. 20 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:22.359 Please, sir, appreciate you having me on that you can 21 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:27.120 find me at tj www dot tj ojp dot com. 22 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:29.439 All my stuff is on there, and I'm everywhere you 23 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:33.000 can find a podcast, YouTube, rumble, all that good stuff. 24 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:33.719 Thank you for having me. 25 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:35.519 Of course, of course you want to promote, like any 26 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:37.200 of the type of stuff that you actually talk about 27 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:39.680 on your show, because I might interest some of my listeners. 28 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:42.680 Honestly, I talk about whatever interests me, but mostly I 29 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:44.159 talk about the occult. 30 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:46.719 Esoteric magic, mostly alchemy. 31 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:50.719 Maybe some conspiracy sprinkled in there every now and again, 32 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:54.120 but honestly, honestly, it's whatever I find interesting at the time, 33 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:57.480 but mostly that's history and the occult. 34 00:01:57.920 --> 00:01:59.480 Awesome. Good for you, man, Good for you, and thanks 35 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:02.840 again for coming on and let everybody know where they 36 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:04.640 can find you. And I guess maybe give a little 37 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:06.159 bit of a background about like what your deal is. 38 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:07.400 I mean, he is an author and he has a 39 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:08.960 ton of books, So if you want to promote any 40 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:10.000 of those, please go ahead. 41 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:13.000 Well, you know, if you want, since this is what 42 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:15.719 we're talking about, I could start with, you know, the 43 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:18.439 Lima and the Greek Kabbala, and if you come to 44 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:21.360 our church you get the really dumbass original print of that. 45 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:23.280 You know what I'm saying, But go for this when 46 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:26.039 online it's better. But you know, I figured i'd be 47 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:28.080 a little bit of a salesman there and start there. 48 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:31.960 The Alemic Kabbala, which you wanted to talk about today, 49 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:36.479 has these fascinating covers in different colors for all four volumes, 50 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.199 so i'd show you the other three. But you know 51 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:44.960 you got the idea. Yes, yes, find my books on 52 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:49.759 Amazon dot com. I have a blog under my full 53 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:55.840 name Paul Joseph Rovelli at blogspot dot com dot blogspot 54 00:02:55.879 --> 00:03:00.439 dot com something like that. G C l v X 55 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:05.120 dot org is our main website where you can learn 56 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:09.560 a lot about us. We're called the Gnostic Church of Light. 57 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:13.599 I founded it the first fully owned and operating Gnostic 58 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:20.280 church on the continents of the Americas. And we're very 59 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:25.560 active on Reddit, we we we and Facebook. We do 60 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:30.000 some on x and some on tumblr, uh, and we 61 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:33.039 have a major YouTube channel. The Nastic Church of Light. 62 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:38.319 Light is spelled l dot V dot X dot so 63 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.639 that you know we pronounce it light. It's looks the 64 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:45.039 Latin word for light, but put an abbreviation for some 65 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:51.400 cabalistic reasons. And that's a small synopsis of you know, 66 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:54.000 my last three days of living. 67 00:03:55.240 --> 00:04:00.520 Okay, thank you nice. So yeah, I do know. We 68 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.439 were thinking about talking about I guess, uh, Thelema and 69 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:06.719 the Greek Kabala, Thelemic and Greek Abala. But I know 70 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:08.680 we also did talk about maybe talking about your past. 71 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:10.039 So I guess it depends on really which one you 72 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:11.520 want to go with first. 73 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:17.639 Well, you know, do you wanna in order to talk 74 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:27.040 about Kabbala? We're talking about a spiritual process with Thelema. 75 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:33.600 The importance came to understanding the important Kabalistic concepts, but 76 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:40.319 removing the Judaic religion from those concepts, okay. And that's 77 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:45.000 the only way to begin to understand Thelema in its 78 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:50.079 origin kabbalistically speaking, and then you have to trace that 79 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:56.920 back through Greek culture. In the Western mystery tradition, Thelema 80 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:04.240 is very syncretic, so it takes from the superstitious Abrahamic culture. 81 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:08.399 At the same time, Crowley was still at his root, 82 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:14.720 very obsessed with Christianity. He was just trying to repair 83 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:19.600 it so to speak. Okay, Motive would write that, you know, 84 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:24.879 Theelamites would call ourselves the true Christians. I'm not so 85 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:27.879 sure I agree with that because I'm an anti Christian 86 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:32.439 kind of a guy, and so I don't I see 87 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:36.279 a grave problem with the Jesus ed grigor as Mota 88 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:42.480 wrote about. And I see the slave mentality that the 89 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:48.600 whole concept of morality and the Abrahamic religions, you know, 90 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:52.240 bring into our culture. And that doesn't you know, Hinduism does. 91 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:59.639 This has the same problem in India. And so it 92 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:03.680 requires really in a sense, that much of an understanding 93 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:07.519 just to get to some basic concepts and then I 94 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:11.600 try to take it all except further after really, you know, 95 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:22.639 after really spending a lot of time with thelemic concepts 96 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:26.600 and thelemic numbers and this, and that there's still a 97 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:32.120 place to go with all that work. There there is 98 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:35.480 a speculative nature to the Kabbalah. I think that's the 99 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:41.319 best way to say it. And speculative metaphysics is the rule. 100 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:45.680 The Western mystery tradition has a philosophy, you know, built 101 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:50.639 off of you know, this speculative metaphysics. It goes through 102 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:58.439 our universities. So you have to begin to understand this 103 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:05.360 path through our trying to engage with the spirit in 104 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:10.000 our culture. And so we create filmic culture and in 105 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:14.199 four volumes. I delineate a lot of things. You could 106 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:16.959 go online and just you know, you'll find all I 107 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:21.600 think the introductions and indexes for all the four books. 108 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:26.000 So and some of them, probably all of them you 109 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:30.439 can find for free somewhere online. Read it. You know, 110 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.079 we always appreciate the sale because you get a hardcover book, 111 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:37.439 or you can get an electronic book, and the funds 112 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:41.879 go to our church, which is expensive, and so we 113 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.879 you know, we consider every buyer of one of our 114 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.839 books a member of the congregation. 115 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:52.160 Paul I had a quick question, what do you think 116 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:56.040 about the Abrahamic influences in the PGM, because I know 117 00:07:56.120 --> 00:08:00.319 that played a huge influence in the formulation of the LIMA. 118 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:05.759 Uh do you try to the acronym PGM. 119 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:13.240 Or the the what are they called the Greek hermetic documents? 120 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:14.240 Yeah, they were. 121 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:17.759 There were fragments found, Uh with Greek spells. 122 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:22.199 You broke up there a little bit. Say that again, it's. 123 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:25.360 The agent fragments found that have these Greek spells on them. 124 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:30.319 It's the Greek magical papyri. Oh, yeah, I probably have 125 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:31.439 electronic copies. 126 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:33.480 I didn't know they put that all into a book, 127 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.039 but I probably have electronic copies of it. Same problem 128 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:39.080 with the Greek papyri that we have with all the 129 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.600 medieval texts, all the medieval grimoires. You know, they're all 130 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:49.399 a distraction. You know, they're there to weed out the gullible, 131 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:52.240 you know, just get rid of them. And so you'll 132 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.440 see all these online groups and whatever, and they're you know, well, 133 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:59.919 you know, I evoked the spirit of tap Theathirath last night, 134 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:04.360 you know, and you know, and we're part of the 135 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:13.120 left hand path. Hey, let's say abby whatever, and this 136 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:18.440 is all populous bullshit, you know, the medieval grimoires or 137 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:23.399 formulas that. Think about it, if I got to those 138 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:26.200 grimoires first, and somebody had to have written them, so 139 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:28.600 somebody got to the long before me. But just if 140 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:30.399 I got them. And I'm going to be really frank 141 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:35.320 and honest with you, Okay, I'm gonna live forever. I'm 142 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.120 going to have the most best body you ever saw. 143 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:42.000 I'm gonna have every beautiful girl on the surface of 144 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:47.200 the earth. Sorry, guys. I'm gonna have all the money, Okay. 145 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:49.879 I'm going to own the only big cruise liner and 146 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.960 everybody else will be a part of my army. Okay, 147 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:56.440 and nobody will ever be able to do magic, because 148 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:02.360 isn't that where it would take you? You know, So 149 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:06.919 why isn't somebody there already? Why didn't they beat us 150 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:10.440 to the punch? So, whether you want to do Greco 151 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:15.879 Roman sigoles and number spells and letter and number of 152 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:19.039 tablets and things like that, or you want to you know, 153 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:23.679 you know, draw the Solomonic seals and dance up and 154 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:31.279 down in a rubber suit, doesn't you know I'm saying, see, 155 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:33.039 you're not ready for the world. 156 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:38.960 Do you think of something I do want to ask you, Paul, 157 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:40.519 real quick? Is it's something that I've thought that a 158 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:42.559 lot of that stuff actually isn't needed to have a 159 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:43.519 magical experience. 160 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:48.240 Well, no, Now, we can use those sigils very effectively 161 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:51.720 when we understand that they are spirits that come from 162 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:54.679 our own psyche. And when you go into the magic 163 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:57.519 mirror and you evoke that spirit, you're evoking a part 164 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:01.399 of yourself. And the idea is to bring balance to 165 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:04.879 the personality. But now here's the problem. 166 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:06.159 How do you know. 167 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:11.600 When your personality can even understand what balance is? You know, 168 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:15.759 because you're not allowed informal magic to do any of 169 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:19.919 that work before you've had the knowledge and conversation, and 170 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:23.879 that's a frighteningly profound experience. I don't care how different 171 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:26.480 it is for everybody, and all these people that run 172 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:28.679 around going well, I've had the knowledge of conversation, my 173 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:31.799 holy Guardian Angel forever and ever, and they've gotten you know, 174 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:35.279 you wouldn't believe the number of contacts I get from 175 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:39.159 various AA lineage is trying to you know, beg for 176 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:43.120 the alms of my envy and or seek my approval 177 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:46.799 that I'll validate their great because when we're in the 178 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:48.759 same club we pat each other on the back, You'll 179 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:51.639 recognize me as grand Pooba and I'll be vice grand 180 00:11:51.679 --> 00:12:03.399 Pooba or Grandpoopa advices the way these things work. 181 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:06.039 In right, So, uh, what what do you since you 182 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:09.440 have Thelemic and Greek kabala? I mean, is there any 183 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:11.200 other things that like maybe you could touch on that 184 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:13.879 makes Thelema cabbala thelemic? 185 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:18.799 I guess, well, everything's kabala, you know, I think that's 186 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:23.840 a wonderful place to start, right, Everything you know is 187 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:28.720 has come from symbols and sigils and images and thoughts 188 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:30.840 and feelings and receptions. 189 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:34.360 This is the kabbala. You know we read right across 190 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:37.879 the screen. Everybody's got their little name thing there. You 191 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:40.039 know what I'm saying. Those are all symbols. That's a 192 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:44.120 collection of symbols and how we use them. Because I 193 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:46.720 could put together a string of choice words and all 194 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:48.679 of you will say, oh, show's over now. 195 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:52.080 Right before, depending on what sound comes out of your 196 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.000 mouth makes somebody think and feel differently. 197 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:59.879 Yeah, So that's magic. That's kabbala. Now when we start 198 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:04.600 to bring those numbers and letters into holy texts, when 199 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:09.440 we start to find a way to get holy texts 200 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:16.320 to bring out that which is within us, you know, 201 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:20.320 that very inner spirit that ultimately will become our angel. 202 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:27.480 But through these holy texts we begin to get contact 203 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:31.480 with that, we begin to inspire ourselves forward. You know 204 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:38.399 the Greek word inspired, taking in spirit inspire, and through 205 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:43.240 that inspiration there is a spiritual ecstasy. And that's part 206 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:48.919 of the experience of the angel too. But beware, because 207 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:52.720 there's a trap there. There are plenty of astral junkies 208 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:56.120 out there that are just tracing the rush of their 209 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:01.559 next intense spiritual experience. So chances are your early experiences 210 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:04.120 they're all going to feel like the end of the journey. 211 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:08.519 You've arrived. You're one of us, and you really just 212 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:12.960 found your way to the beginning. Okay, this is a deep, 213 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:17.399 long path that I'm sorry for the younger among you there. 214 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.519 You're not going to see it until you get older. 215 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:24.639 But thank the Gods that you guys are starting this 216 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:28.679 thought now, because when you get older, it's too late, 217 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:37.799 you know. And that's important because the Kabbala should produce 218 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:45.200 ultimately from the master cabbalist new nosis. Without new nosis, 219 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:50.399 no magical lodge is worth its fruit. Without new nosis, 220 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:55.960 nobody has the authority to lead anything. If you're going 221 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:59.720 to rely on the nosis of dead masters, you're p 222 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:05.600 to sing necromancy. I got a sermon on that necromancy. 223 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:12.639 It's not what you think that's interesting. Paul. 224 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:18.679 Can you tell us where is your place and maybe 225 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:19.480 tell us about it. 226 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.440 We live at twelve Factory Hill Road, and our church 227 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:29.600 is at eight Factory Hill Road in Hoosick Falls, New York. 228 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:34.480 We're upstate New York, about six miles outside of the 229 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:41.080 Bennington Vermont border. I work in shop in Bennington, do 230 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:46.279 most of my shopping online. Bennington's closed. It's fucking the 231 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:52.240 boondocks we're in. We've got you know, three acres with 232 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:57.600 the two buildings we've got. We live in beauty. Our 233 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:02.399 church has been attacked by the extreme radical Christianity that 234 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:07.879 exists in this area called fundamentalism. But we sit in 235 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:14.639 the woods where all the new American religions started, from 236 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:20.840 Transcendentalism to Mormonism. You know, even Blavatsky came up here 237 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:27.879 in New York City, really, you know, but so the 238 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:35.080 hub of all of American intellectual culture, but specifically it's 239 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:38.120 unique churches. All the fundamentalist churches that are now the 240 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:41.720 Bible Belt started here. So you can get an idea 241 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:45.720 of how much danger we're in. Actually, our building hasn't 242 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:49.480 been attacked for some time, but you know we're still 243 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:51.600 finding like beer cans on my car when I go 244 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:57.000 to work in the morning. You know, there's issues, and 245 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:00.799 they still talk about us in town and you know people, 246 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:03.720 you know, I can't put my piano lesson cards up 247 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:07.000 on the local billboards because you know, I am persona 248 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:10.200 on Garda the I used to teach in the school here. 249 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:17.240 The kids started sending me death threats. We're in bizarre 250 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:19.480 land for that. Now, that doesn't mean, anybody that comes 251 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:21.880 here is in any physical danger, you know, coming to 252 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:25.200 a service in broad daylight. But the night can be 253 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:26.240 another story here. 254 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:29.799 So that's a quick question. 255 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:31.160 I'm sorry. 256 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:40.079 The concept of using the dead master's knowledge, wouldn't this 257 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:42.759 because you're talking about necromancene. I find that super interesting 258 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:45.920 because isn't that all of religion itself, Like, aren't we 259 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:50.599 this is coming from a Pentecostal worldview, aren't we using 260 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:54.519 dead people's knowledge? And that's what religion essentially is. 261 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:59.400 And I mean that's the problem with all the dead religions, 262 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:05.079 all worshiping dead masters, and they're worshiping his spiritual experience 263 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:10.279 in lieu of having their own, because they're frightened of 264 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:13.960 having their own. So they believe in the superstition that 265 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:16.440 keeps them nice. So they don't have to spend too 266 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.400 much money on police. You'll just obey the law, even 267 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:21.920 though your wife just did something really stupid and you 268 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:25.039 want to slap or silly, you can't because Jesus is 269 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:28.559 watching rather than the cop peeking in the window. And 270 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:33.000 that's really what Christianity is. I mean, they even tell 271 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:38.880 slaves to worship their masters. You know, it's a sick document. 272 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:44.680 Now that doesn't mean we can't learn from many past masters. 273 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:48.000 We can even take the fraudulent character of Jesus and 274 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:52.559 learn an awful lot from it. But those lessons are 275 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:57.880 not necessarily so obvious, and the misinterpretation that has bled 276 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:03.480 into us from fundamentalist culture. Let's put it this way. 277 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.279 Thomas Jefferson said, every American must learn to read. And 278 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:11.079 the only book every American owned was a Bible. So 279 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:14.359 you got all these people reading the Bible, not understanding, 280 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:17.720 not having an educated approach to the Bible. And so 281 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:21.440 now you got one hundred thousand fundamentalists sex and they're 282 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:26.079 already heretical, because even Calvin was a heretic. The only 283 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:36.359 three Orthodox are the the Catholic set of Orthodox churches 284 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:43.000 with the Roman Catholic and really the British Church and 285 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:48.519 the Lutheran Church. Okay, the Episcopalians, you know, still practice Castopolicism. 286 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.960 You won't see much difference in their mass. The same 287 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:59.359 with the what was the other group, I said, the Episcopalian. Oh, 288 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:04.960 and the Lutheran Okay, they just don't recognize the pope. Okay, 289 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:09.400 the Calvinists. There's a whole American history behind the Calvinists, 290 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:11.440 and I could give you another half hour lecture on that. 291 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:15.519 So just let's say the Calvinists are heretics who got 292 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:19.880 thrown out of Europe. They got here and they thought 293 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:21.599 they were going to build a city on the hill. 294 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:27.200 Sound interesting to you, Reggan fans. And they thought that 295 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:30.720 Europe would invite them back and celebrate them as the 296 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:35.720 new leaders who were able to create a perfect Christian nation. Instead, 297 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:39.559 Europeans were glad to get rid of the dumbschmucks. And 298 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:44.119 they turned around and they said, look at all these trees, 299 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:50.240 and they are the moneyed class in America today. You 300 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:54.119 want to rise in your career, you'd better be a 301 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:59.240 wasp because that's what this world is run on all 302 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:01.960 fifty it's no matter the politics. 303 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:03.440 Mm hmm. 304 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:06.359 Something I wanted to ask you, and you kind of 305 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:10.319 mentioned something just now that reminded me, and I put 306 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:11.799 in trying to put you on the spot pole But 307 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:13.440 it's just something I did. I was going to ask 308 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:15.640 you your opinion on anyway, because you mentioned all these 309 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:19.720 people went to New York. Well, one, your's your place 310 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:21.759 on top of a mound, by chance. 311 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.079 On top of a mound, believe it or not. We 312 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:28.119 are on top of a mount. I always make a 313 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:32.039 joke with global warming when the water finally reaches New York, 314 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:33.920 we got beach front property. 315 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:36.960 Is there something up with that? Like, you know, like 316 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:40.039 how you're mentioning like a bunch of people are near us, 317 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:41.920 You know how you mentioned like a bunch of people 318 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:44.200 have seemed to have been there before. Like I have wondered, 319 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:45.799 like when you have a lot of occult that's going 320 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:47.519 to the same spot, is there something to do with 321 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:49.960 like a lay line or energy there that they've gone onto. 322 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:52.559 Oh oh, not that kind of a bound. I know 323 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:57.519 what you're talking about. These mounds have been discovered. They're interesting. 324 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:00.960 That's about the end of it. The rest of it's hyperbably, 325 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:05.000 you know, to sell programs and get more advertising. Bye 326 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:09.039 bye bye. Spend spend, spend charge it, charge it, charge it. 327 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:14.680 So, Paul, in regard to your talking about the aspect 328 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:18.279 of the Wasp culture and how it rose when you 329 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:22.519 look at them bringing the Skullville Bible in and essentially, 330 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:26.240 you know, with all its bullet points basically all relating 331 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:30.680 back to Zionism, and you know, the idea of rebuilding 332 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:31.119 the temple. 333 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:35.240 I'm still going to guess that that is somehow a 334 00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:40.920 very interesting hoax. But let's just pretend for the sake 335 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:43.440 of argument that it possibly is. You can't prove it 336 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:49.200 one way or another. It's very interesting, and there's a 337 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:53.440 couple of things in places like this. They're very very interesting. 338 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:58.319 They certainly absorb our fascination, so they're worth talking about. 339 00:22:59.839 --> 00:22:59.880 It. 340 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:04.119 It's the conspiracy theories on the one hand and the 341 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:09.880 righteousness on the other that bothers me. The occult we've 342 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:11.680 been here all whong, man, you should be at the 343 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:14.359 cultures like this and come on into my satatic temple, 344 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:18.519 you know, and then you know, of course the conspiracy 345 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:23.559 there is, you know, the secret templars came here and 346 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:27.599 to escape the people run and that's the first naissance 347 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:29.559 that we ever had. And they were Indians from the 348 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:35.240 Hobjiba tribe. You know. It's like it goes every which direction. 349 00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:39.240 Just go down YouTube, start clicking on one, and there's 350 00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:43.000 a thousand and And it's unfortunate because I've seen a 351 00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:47.839 lot of good YouTubers, you know, realize that they can uh, 352 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:51.720 they have a chance at making a run at getting monetized, 353 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:56.240 and they start selling there instead of producing their really 354 00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:59.000 interesting programs, they start selling out on all this. It 355 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:04.039 gets a lot of attent. So it's populist stuff. And 356 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:10.400 there's nothing wrong with populist stuff. But when you're when 357 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:15.960 you're somebody who wants real spiritual growth, you got to 358 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:19.079 look at what you're putting in your head. You know 359 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:21.839 what I'm saying. I don't watch TV commercials, you know, 360 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:26.359 because I'm still singing the fucking slogans from my childhood. Yeah, 361 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.160 you know what I'm saying. And all I can do 362 00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:32.200 is realize that they're there and put them out and 363 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:34.160 sometimes make a joke out of them or a joke 364 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:40.519 with them, you know, and realize that that's the the 365 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:48.440 counter gnostic conditioning of our culture. You want that fancy car, 366 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:50.519 you're trying to live to that lifestyle. You just trying 367 00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:54.680 to get the white house with the picket fence. You know, 368 00:24:54.960 --> 00:25:02.519 you're you're you're already trading some of your genius for security. 369 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:09.279 And I can't tell you what kind of balance to 370 00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:14.799 keep there. But when you start spending twelve and fourteen 371 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:18.039 hours day just keeping the house and the wife and 372 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:24.119 the kids going, there's no spiritual advance. But oh, kids 373 00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:26.160 are such a great thing and you don't know what 374 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:28.160 they can do because I didn't have my own kids. 375 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:30.559 But my wife tells me this crap, she got two 376 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:39.960 of them. But I say, really, bull diggies. You know, 377 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.079 even if we look in the New Testament, Jesus has 378 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:44.480 let the dead bury the dead. Can we go back 379 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:47.119 and bury or dead father? Yeah, And that's not the 380 00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:49.039 only scripture where you're going to hear that. That's just 381 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:51.880 the one that comes to mind. 382 00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:58.960 Oh, I had a quick question, so is there an echo? Sorry, 383 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:03.240 I don't know if that's me. Okay, when we think 384 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:06.079 about what for me, when I think about Christianity and 385 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:09.480 then I was raised Catholic, that I'm starting to come 386 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:12.559 to the conclusion that most of what I have been 387 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:16.680 taught about what Jesus said was filtered through Constantinople as 388 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:19.720 well as Council of Nicea and so forth. And then 389 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:22.359 when we look at some of the Gnostic texts with 390 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.920 Mary Magdalene and what she claims that Jesus has said, 391 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:30.119 it is quite the opposite. It is exactly what you're saying. 392 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:34.519 It's about having an experience with yourself. It's about demanding 393 00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:38.799 more of yourself to advance a higher state. 394 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:40.319 Of consciousness if you will. 395 00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:42.359 I don't think they use the word consciousness back then, 396 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.079 but would would that be? 397 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.200 That would be out of Plato and Aras Bottom. Yeah, certainly. 398 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:51.799 And so when when you talked about how bringing in 399 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:57.640 the Kabbalah and how you write the what Christianity got wrong? 400 00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:02.839 To me, it makes complete sense why cabbala was starting 401 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:06.759 to be adopted by the Spanish and Christianity, the Greeks 402 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.400 with their Orthodox and then how it started to become 403 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:16.440 pervasive by Plato and Empedocles and all these other things. 404 00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:21.400 You start to see emanations of its influence outward as 405 00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:25.880 well as you know, in the alphanumerical systems within different 406 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:31.440 I guess cultures, empires, and so forth. I guess my 407 00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:34.559 question is do you think that that is accurate in 408 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:40.160 what the Gnostic texts indicate was being said by Mary 409 00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:42.119 Magdalene of what Jesus was saying. 410 00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:46.680 I liked Mary Magdalene's texts, and I thought maybe I 411 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:49.519 should write a commentary to it. I've got a whole 412 00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:54.559 on our gclvx dot org website. I've got commentaries to 413 00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:59.880 a whole range of Gnostic texts contenting on them. Really 414 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:05.839 from a Thylemic perspective, and I've come to know a 415 00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:10.519 lot more since then of many different nastic texts, and 416 00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:19.519 narcissism was is still just a catch phrase. There were 417 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:25.400 some real groups like the Thomasines and the Magdalens that 418 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:30.920 were you know, tied in more with the Greek temple structure. 419 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:38.559 But you know, Plato and Aristotle precede gnosticism by a 420 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:44.599 good period of time. And the Gnosissism that spread throughout 421 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:51.079 the Roman Empire, including the Middle East, was multiform. I 422 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:56.119 mean the docetics, you know, would settle in the Arabic area. 423 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.359 They couldn't stand the concept that, you know, any God 424 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.000 could be killed or nailed to a piece of wood. 425 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:07.359 You know, they would become Muslim. You know, God is God. 426 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:09.599 That's it. There's no God but God, right, the whole 427 00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:21.480 Muslim thing lah lah. You know, the the many logoi 428 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:29.519 that were mixed in with Greco Roman Egyptian culture, Logoi 429 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:32.920 being the poor for the word logos. Jesus wasn't the 430 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:38.240 only logos, you know, Prometheus was a logos Dionysus. It 431 00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:43.039 wasn't a logost buck as you know, as Sclepius. The 432 00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:46.039 major locosts that would you know, in part become the 433 00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:48.960 Roman Catholic Church. All of his He was the healer 434 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.279 of God, that healed so good, he raised the dead. 435 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:54.000 The gods killed him for doing that, and that he 436 00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:58.400 was resurrected. They all get resurrected. They're all symbols of transformation. 437 00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:03.839 They're human, divine fathered by you know, God. So it's 438 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.680 always born of a woman, right, and that's parthenogenesis, that's 439 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:12.519 the dove symbol. So this one sect that went on 440 00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:16.039 off of Paul, and all of Paul's letters in the 441 00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:18.119 Bible are not written by Paul. Some of them are 442 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:29.519 written by others. Paul created a Roman version of the 443 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:37.359 Jewish Gnostic movement. The Sethians were more the Gnostic movement 444 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.720 of the Jews, and the Valentinians would borrow from that, 445 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.319 and the Sethians would interact with the Valentinians one point. 446 00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:49.799 But these the Sethians existed before the Valentinians. The Valentinians 447 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:54.119 originated as a reaction to the Roman Church. They wanted 448 00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:58.160 an alternative vision, but they would not get the ear 449 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:06.480 of of Caesar Constantine, although they were, you know, they 450 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.960 were kind of like sanctifying a couple of Caesars before 451 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:15.680 that but the Roman religion that would you know, eventually 452 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:26.160 splinter into you know, Orthodoxy. That religion. What was I 453 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:31.119 gonna say about that? Uh? There Rod that that religion 454 00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:35.559 was Paul's letters, built off of Poll's letters. It's a 455 00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:39.559 Pauline church. It's not a Petron church. It didn't originate 456 00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:43.279 off of Peter and the ideas of Peter, which Peter 457 00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:46.680 would have been more about gnosis. Notice there's no Gospel 458 00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:52.720 of Peter in Catholic canon. Okay, Now there are other 459 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:57.119 Christian traditions whose canons are a little bit more expensive, 460 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:06.119 like the Ethiopian canon. Uh, but be worry of, you know, 461 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.720 competing ideas from the ancient world, and more interested in 462 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:13.000 the fact that this was all literature, and this was 463 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:16.880 you know, for those that took it at any sacred level. 464 00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:22.599 It was about personal transformation, right, you know, and you 465 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:26.559 know for the masses, you know, the only religion that 466 00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:31.799 would work was the Roman religion. You need authority. Authority 467 00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:35.079 needs to keep their slaves, and the Roman religion is 468 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.680 a slave religion. They keep their slaves and they keep 469 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:41.599 them docile, wanting to do good things and good deeds 470 00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.119 so they don't beat up their wives, right, and all 471 00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:50.839 that kind of stuff. I love that comedian The New 472 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:53.519 York Guys, really really funny comes out and he says, 473 00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.759 you know, there's there must be nineteen reasons to beat 474 00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.279 your wife. And he said, but of course we can't 475 00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.599 do that, you know, but that doesn't mean the reason 476 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:06.440 still don't exist in any wisk Like well deep, it 477 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:13.039 is really funny, but the real thing is that you 478 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:17.839 need to keep the unthinking person to hold a certain 479 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:23.839 line of civility. Without that, we would have no world 480 00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:27.480 where we could create a civilization. Somebody to turn on 481 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:31.440 the lights, and somebody to pick up the garbage, and 482 00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:34.440 somebody to design the auto parts. And you know what 483 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:39.319 I'm saying, every last facet of our society requires, you know, 484 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:45.759 a very non spiritual person to handle the very functional 485 00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:52.240 and important things for our civilization, because otherwise, as Plato says, 486 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:57.160 with that civilization, we'd still be slaves to nature. So 487 00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:01.119 we'd be out there hunting wood and getting away with 488 00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:08.239 beating our wives. I gotta think about that for a minute. Uh, 489 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.039 my wife's really really sweet and it wouldn't even cross 490 00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:17.400 my mind. So but the fantasy is just so funny. 491 00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:24.119 The people would not behave if they didn't have Jesus 492 00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.199 watching them, if Allah wasn't watching them, if you know, 493 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:32.119 Jehovah wasn't watching them, if Krishna wasn't watching them, And 494 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.519 all the standards of our society are built into that, 495 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:43.199 all our rights of passage through life, the police force 496 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:49.159 and the government officials. That all makes our world. And 497 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.599 you know, we could call that the Black Lodge, which 498 00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.679 indeed it is, and its adepts are our power brokers 499 00:34:56.360 --> 00:35:02.280 in the world, but that doesn't make them evil. Black 500 00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:06.960 doesn't mean evil black, just simply it's the hats that 501 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:13.599 the adepts of the nihilistic materialist Lodge where, and for them, 502 00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:20.280 it's a nihilistic materialism. The monis the Yellow School, which 503 00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:24.559 we find mostly in the East. All three schools exist everywhere, 504 00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:29.559 but the Yellow School is monist in its character, and 505 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:34.000 it says, this world is an illusion, and your separateness 506 00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:38.519 is an illusion, and you need to achieve nirvana by 507 00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:45.000 losing your ego. And here's the problem. If this is 508 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:48.159 all an illusion, what the hell are we doing here? 509 00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:51.280 I mean, why are we bothering to talk to each other? 510 00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.880 Why are we making culture? Let's all just get a gun, 511 00:35:55.000 --> 00:36:00.119 put it to the left temple and achieve sdirvana. I'm 512 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:03.039 racing one big swipe. We'll do it on video, ready 513 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:06.159 you first. 514 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:08.719 That's why it's part of me. 515 00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:11.880 Uh you know, when you think of religion, it is 516 00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:14.679 a brokeren experience, and a part of me thinks about 517 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.320 how much of all this is just fake and gay 518 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.960 and it's just a way of wanting to put the 519 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.639 masses into right. How you're saying the guy who's on 520 00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:29.400 the assembly line, who is following a religion just because 521 00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:33.400 his uh you know, the tradition was to always be 522 00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:35.880 Christian or something, you know, pick whatever religion. He's not 523 00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.760 advancing spiritually because he has to work every single day, 524 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:43.639 but he goes to church every Sunday and just takes 525 00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:46.719 in whatever they're regurgitating towards them right, and the whole 526 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:50.280 idea you're talking about. 527 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:51.440 Yeah, there's one day a week he could do something. 528 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.280 There's one day a week he get advanced the cause. 529 00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:58.320 What a beautiful thing just to take Saturday or Sunday 530 00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.639 or Friday or whatever your work's get that's going to 531 00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.159 be my day of contemplation and Cabbalistic work and meditation, 532 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.239 and I'm going to try to think about. 533 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:09.559 That's blasphemous, that's heretical. 534 00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:16.199 Yeah, so it's it's that's the time to read the 535 00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.880 Holy books because they take us out of ourselves. They 536 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.840 take us out of our mundane personality for a little while, 537 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:27.639 and for just that little while, we're inspired by those 538 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:29.559 Holy books and no longer an asshole. 539 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:31.159 Mm hmm. 540 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:35.320 And at the core of the tank commandments that don't 541 00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.480 be a piece of shit, right, I mean, just don't 542 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:38.320 kill your neighbor. 543 00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:42.320 It's more than don't kill your neighbor. Right, be meek. 544 00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:46.199 You should love God more than them, but you should 545 00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:49.039 be humbled before them. Right. You should love God more 546 00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.480 than your family. Walk away from your wife and kids, 547 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:55.599 you know, if you really loved God, that's what that 548 00:37:55.639 --> 00:38:00.599 religion teaches you. Right. So, and if you a slave 549 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.440 to the homeowner, you should, you know, respect and love 550 00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:08.719 your master, because there's two of the Gospels recommend that 551 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:14.519 a fluidly. So the whole mentality built into Christianity that 552 00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:18.239 is developed and then of course nurtured by the Church 553 00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:20.360 and defined by the Church, kind of the way the 554 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:25.239 Supreme Court, you know, reinterprets the Constitution, the Church reinterprets 555 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:29.519 the Bible and creates doctrine off of that, and the 556 00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:36.920 doctrine is always to keep you servile. And for ninety 557 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.440 percent of the world, ninety nine percent of the world, 558 00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:46.119 that's perfect. They're doing a good job and they're good people. 559 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.599 You know, the bad people among them two you gotta 560 00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:55.360 go down Baron, but you know, because people are people, right. 561 00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:01.920 So when it comes to the Yellow and the Black school, 562 00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:08.239 I got real issues me personally, I'm of the White school. 563 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:14.039 We are of the duellist uh camp, and as duelists, 564 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:18.320 we recommend recognize the separation between body and mind. That 565 00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:22.800 the mind itself is you know, is the soul, and 566 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:26.239 it's it interacts with the brain. And there's a whole 567 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:32.760 conversation on how the mind interacts with the body. But 568 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.639 the body does what I say the second I say it, right, 569 00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.239 So I can move this hand, I can train these 570 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.920 fingers and bop my head whatever I want to do. 571 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.880 And yet there's also very unconscious things that the mind 572 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:53.400 also does. I have unconscious expressions. And so in the 573 00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:57.480 dualist camp, the material world is still real. You know, 574 00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:02.440 I'm not spirit trapped in mat there, I'm spirit liberated 575 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:06.079 in matter. I have a place here to be creative 576 00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:10.199 and to bring that which is within Gospel Thomas and 577 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:12.880 bring it out and put it in the world. That's 578 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:17.280 why in magic you produce new nosis. Everybody else has 579 00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:20.960 just stroking their ego looking for the alms of envy. 580 00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:26.000 Now, in regard to producing new nosis, you know, you 581 00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:29.480 go back to Plato and divine madness. You go into 582 00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:33.360 ecstatic Kabbala, and you look at the past and the 583 00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:38.159 mystery schools in regard to the introduction through these series 584 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:42.159 of you know, initiations that bring you heightened levels of 585 00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:47.480 understanding and consciousness versus when we set up the dichotomy 586 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:51.599 of this exterior force that we put our energy into 587 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:54.239 instead of knowing myself. 588 00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:00.159 The old initiation rights. I think we're probably great. They 589 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:06.960 worked in their time, they spoke to their culture, and 590 00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:12.960 for us, these are pseudo gods that we were, you know, 591 00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:18.760 conditioned into not believing, right. I know, one great atheist 592 00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:22.199 debater says, you know, everybody's an atheist except for one 593 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:31.159 god because there's thousands of them. M hm. And that 594 00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:38.800 superstitious you know conditioning still existed in the pagan world, 595 00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:45.599 and people joined these mystery cults to go through and 596 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:49.000 have these ecstatic experiences. They were parts of you know, 597 00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:51.199 the a you know, the people in the area of 598 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:55.639 a temple. You know, not only did it provide spiritual 599 00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:03.920 but also material uh uh contribution to the surrounding community. 600 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.360 The farmers you know had a place in a way 601 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.920 to sell their wheat and you know, and money was 602 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:15.800 brought in, you know. And so for those that wanted 603 00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:18.320 to have that spiritual experience, it was open. There was 604 00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:23.079 no there was no control over or any sort of 605 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:28.239 thing really of religious authority except really possibly with the Jews, 606 00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:33.039 and the Jews were allowed to practice their religion. Rome 607 00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:41.400 didn't really care. The problem was that as the Jews, 608 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.519 there was a faction of the Jews that became violent 609 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:49.880 and they want okay, and they had a rebellion. So 610 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:55.599 in part the motivation for the Roman pontiff was to 611 00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:59.760 create a sedate version of Jesus because the Jewish Messiah 612 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.079 was general, he was going to chase him out with 613 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.599 weapons of war. God is going to come down off 614 00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:11.719 the clouds with lightning bolts, you know. And so they 615 00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:17.760 would take this pagan transformative experience in these mystery temples 616 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:21.639 and build that into this logos. Because the logos mystery 617 00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:24.119 temples were all about that, you know, getting to the 618 00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:27.639 point of sickness or death and you know whatever. And 619 00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:30.880 of course there was ecstasy in that experience. There was 620 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:39.280 spiritual ecstasy that became the the awakener of one's spiritual self, 621 00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:43.039 that they would have this profound spiritual experience and start 622 00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:47.039 the world just like you know, really in its own 623 00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.880 mock way. We in our modern religions, you know, all 624 00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.599 have rights of passage, right, you have that adult right, 625 00:43:53.679 --> 00:44:00.960 whether it's first Holy Communion, confirmation, or whether it's right. 626 00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:06.639 There's all sorts of you know, rights of coming of age, marriage, 627 00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:10.800 Marriage is a very big one. The community must approve 628 00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:16.679 of the marrit the sacraments, Yeah, the seven sacraments then 629 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:22.679 connected them with the spirit of the church. Right, that's 630 00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:29.800 what Holy communion is all about. The the nice discipline, 631 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:33.599 you know, had the confessional, so you could go out 632 00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.119 and sin all week, and if you were truly penitent, 633 00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:38.960 you would, you know, say you're ten Heil Mary's and 634 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.400 you'd be able to take the Eucharist tomorrow and be 635 00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:46.239 cleansed of your sins. Right, and the whole concept of sin, well, 636 00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:50.599 this goes back long before Christianity. And Greco Roman culture. 637 00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:53.840 I mean, it was always about sin, right, you know, 638 00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:56.480 there's a plague on our land and we must have offended, 639 00:44:56.559 --> 00:45:03.320 you know, the god of corn right, and so superstitious 640 00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:09.880 ideas intertwined with popular culture, each in its age. And 641 00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:13.039 that's not to say there wasn't great wisdom there as well. 642 00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:20.880 I think that these early city states generated a series 643 00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.840 of shamans that were able to hear the voices in 644 00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:26.320 our head. But they were hearing them really for the 645 00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:29.239 first time. Back then. We were still grunting and knuckle 646 00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:34.280 dragging before that, okay, And these voices came to be 647 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.239 the gods, and whoever was the best at relating the 648 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.280 voices in their head got to be the shaman, the king, 649 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.320 the high priest, and this all built into eventually what 650 00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:48.599 would become our first empires, and soon enough to Pharaoh 651 00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:50.400 was the one who was going to go to heaven 652 00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.920 when he died, right, but he would bring the entire 653 00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:58.960 country with him if he made it to the afterlife. 654 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:04.360 So you have these leaders that you know, through them 655 00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:08.639 we get to the Father, you know, not for ourselves. 656 00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:11.800 And so lovestics have risen in every place, in every 657 00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:16.360 age to say no it's to ourselves. They're lying to you, right, 658 00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:18.519 But the problem is they get caught up, you know, 659 00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:21.079 kind of like the Democrats are always worried about the 660 00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:29.639 boogeyman and they got nothing to say for themselves. Put 661 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.000 a little politics there, but it really plays out. Our 662 00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:34.840 politics plays out in our culture. Oh yeah, the left 663 00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.800 and the right, the lest and the right to get 664 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.559 in the bad right, the right and the wrong that 665 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:45.840 the haves and they have not right. 666 00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:49.679 And I was going to add on to your what 667 00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:56.039 you've been saying too, with the idea of uh monotheism 668 00:46:56.719 --> 00:47:01.159 not exactly being the way of one God, but more 669 00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:08.559 more specifically the way of perceiving God in one way, right, and. 670 00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:13.119 So it is a god out there, we. 671 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.519 Sure, sure. I was just going to say that that 672 00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:22.599 idea where it institutes a certain certainty and adamant mindset 673 00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:26.719 to where one is correct and everyone else is wrong, 674 00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:29.400 so it can kind of proceed. 675 00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:35.400 Anyctic of obedience. Didn't you have that argument with your 676 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.280 friends in the backyard in the summertime. My dad's bigger 677 00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:43.760 than your dad. It's human behavior, human behavior, right, So 678 00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:46.960 now my God's better than your God. My God's true God. 679 00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:48.840 Will write it out because the true God. 680 00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:52.760 And even when they say it's that they're talking about 681 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:57.880 the same God. It's my way of perceiving God is 682 00:47:57.920 --> 00:47:58.480 the right way. 683 00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:01.679 Really, I've always got a see through the pastor's way, 684 00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:09.039 the rabbi's way. They're the official interpreters. They're the clerics 685 00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:12.920 that maintain the traditions of the religion or the religion die. 686 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:18.119 Now again, most people aren't going to be able to 687 00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:27.239 rise above this. This keeps them docile, right circumstance, Yeah, 688 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:29.480 we need them at work right now. As a matter 689 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.119 of fact, right we wouldn't be doing this. 690 00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:43.519 I was going to say sorry about the idea of 691 00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:49.559 walking the same path as these teachers of the past or. 692 00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:53.480 What one might be better off doing is walking your 693 00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:57.239 own path as they did, right, because people even like 694 00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:01.800 will go to the very literal physical paths that some 695 00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:06.079 other travelers have always they don't do it the same 696 00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:10.800 probas said, don't follow me, cut your own way through 697 00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:11.320 the jungle. 698 00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:14.840 And it's a jungle. It's tough to figure out, right, 699 00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:17.119 I'm sorry, I don't care where you are, where you're at, 700 00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:20.159 you're gonna have a tough time at it. And and 701 00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.119 that's never gonna go away. You know what I'm saying, 702 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:27.800 because it shouldn't. You know, what should happen is that 703 00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:32.559 you begin to collect your successes and you add them in, 704 00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:37.880 and you know, you begin to get to where your 705 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:41.960 true career quote unquote, where your true career is in. 706 00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:46.920 Life, and you learn to accept your losses more gracefully 707 00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:53.920 as you move, and the successes become points to get 708 00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.599 you to look to the higher places as well. 709 00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:01.079 And you just still hurt. Man, they really do. I'm 710 00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:04.480 capable of making a real first class jackass out of myself, 711 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:10.519 and you know so, you know, we all have those 712 00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:13.480 parts of our psyche when we get touched. I hate 713 00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:18.639 to be embarrassed. Don't embarrass me, Okay, I won't hide 714 00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:21.119 in Michelle and won't go away. But it hurts real 715 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.599 bad because it goes back to childhood in place to 716 00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:31.760 my conditioning. But in my gnostic process, I accept that, 717 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:37.239 and I want to remember all the terrible things that 718 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.000 happened to me as much as I want to count 719 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:45.599 my blessings and treasure my joys. Right, And you can 720 00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:50.280 picture that is as point and counterpoint. The transcendent point, then, 721 00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:55.039 is how I rose above both and came to a 722 00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:58.800 new understanding, which then becomes its own point, needs a 723 00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:03.719 new counterpoint about to get to a point progressively. Yes, 724 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:08.760 process never stops. There's no rest. If you're really serious 725 00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:11.719 about this path, there's never a place where you're going 726 00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:14.199 to get to say I got it, I know it. 727 00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:19.079 All it's down. Put the file away, dear, turn on 728 00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:19.960 the TV. 729 00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.639 So if it's about paving your own way and coming 730 00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:27.360 up with your own system, I forgot who it was 731 00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:31.320 because Nick mentioned earlier that you can, you know, engage 732 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:34.280 your own spiritual experience time with them, I forget who 733 00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:36.559 it was. It was either Idri Shaw or Friends Bart. 734 00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:38.639 I can't remember who it was that talked about like 735 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:39.519 setting up your own. 736 00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:46.039 Team because Friends Bardon had very specific program thing. He 737 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:53.000 was really a ross Crucian. But there is something to 738 00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:58.320 say for, you know, finding your own way, and there's 739 00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:06.639 something to say for following the directions. Okay, I think 740 00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:10.360 both are necessary. But when I say follow the directions, 741 00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.599 I'm not saying follow the way of these you know, 742 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:20.119 idiot slave gods. Okay, I think Thelima offers a direction, 743 00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:25.719 and whether or not, I think Salima is kind of 744 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:29.719 the top holds the top tier on that no matter 745 00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:33.519 what direction you choose, no matter what discipline you engage, 746 00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:36.920 or how you approach it, Eastern or Western. I'm a 747 00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:39.960 Western mine, so I approach it from a Western perspective. 748 00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:43.480 But there are Western minds that really do well with 749 00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:51.320 Eastern ideas and can hold onto their cigarettes. Uh don't 750 00:52:51.519 --> 00:53:00.159 you're not interested. Don't be interested. Uh oh, So there's 751 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:06.039 something to say for following when I'm sorry, guys, I 752 00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:15.559 couldn't leave it on the floor. You'll eat it. So 753 00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:22.400 there's general things that I think everybody will go through, 754 00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:27.360 both physically and mentally, in the quest of how they 755 00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.960 do it, whether they come from some yoga or whether 756 00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:41.840 they dance or do Western art. There's all sorts of 757 00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:47.559 ways that you know, you know, being a musician, I 758 00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:50.320 can tell you all the time about musicians who have these, 759 00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:54.880 you know, immense spiritual experiences. I hear all the time. 760 00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:57.480 I'm not. I joged for just a little while. That's 761 00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:00.719 a g on the running machine, but and did I 762 00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:06.079 was getting pretty good. But I do know well the 763 00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:09.320 world of these joggers that jog through your neighborhood every morning. 764 00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:14.400 Some of these guys enter real altered states, you know, 765 00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:19.760 not the ones with the headphones on, they've lost their 766 00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:23.920 chance to it. They're drowning it out. You got to 767 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:26.039 start listening to your thoughts and then you've got to 768 00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:29.039 get past some as you focus on your breath. So 769 00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:35.519 whether you're jogging Central Park or you're sitting in a 770 00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:43.360 yoga asana and listening to the breath and controlling its meter, 771 00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:47.440 you know that you finally get to a point where 772 00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:51.239 you control the mind. The asyla is a control of 773 00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:54.000 the body. You can take that into hoty yoga and 774 00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:57.920 get to all sorts of you know, exotic control over 775 00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:05.639 the body. U. The only reason why I I would, 776 00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:07.239 you know, kind of poo poo there for a little 777 00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:09.920 bit is it's really great when you're young, but when 778 00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:14.119 the body starts falling apart if your spiritual experiences on that, 779 00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:19.159 you know, the pretty girl is going to stop being 780 00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:21.840 looked at one day. Life changes. So if you've built 781 00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:24.960 all your life walking down the street is the pretty girl, 782 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:29.239 then when they stop looking at you, your life's not 783 00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:33.400 worth living. The street isn't worth going. So we do 784 00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:41.039 disconnect from our bodies with age, and in that disconnection, 785 00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:46.199 a lot of things fall away from us, and everything 786 00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:50.559 with vigor that's attached to spirituality, tantra and what have you. 787 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:55.400 All of that. I think it's good for the young 788 00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:58.280 that want to pursue it, but if you're building your 789 00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:04.880 spiritual experience off of that, you know, I would counter advice, 790 00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:09.480 but that may be the right way for you. So really, 791 00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:12.239 what what's my advice worth? 792 00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:17.360 It was a Techniques of High Magic Emmanual Self Initiation 793 00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:19.559 by Francis King and Steven Skinner is what I was 794 00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:22.199 thinking of, where they talk about setting up your own 795 00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:24.480 temple and making your own magical instruments. 796 00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:27.079 But none of that is necessary, you know. 797 00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.039 Yeah, I think there was another golden doing to did it, 798 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:34.840 but I remember that book and it is everything right 799 00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:36.920 about that. But of course he's giving you the direction. 800 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:38.239 Mm hmm. 801 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:40.840 You're just not going to a goldwn temple, but you're 802 00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:44.440 building all of its symbols, right. The thing about the 803 00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:48.440 magical temple is that all the symbols in there are 804 00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:54.320 designed to access part of your psyche, and when you 805 00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:59.840 get done building the full temple space, the temple itself 806 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:03.360 becomes a transformative experience. Just to open the door and 807 00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:07.519 step into it, you know, you'll probably robe outside you'll 808 00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:10.480 put on your magical ring, your magical pendance, whatever you got, 809 00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:13.559 whatever you're making a part of that ceremony. 810 00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:14.800 Magical underwear. 811 00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:18.320 Yeah, don't forget the magical underwear. You know what I'm saying. 812 00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:21.679 But you know it didn't do anything for my love life. 813 00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:25.079 I got to tell you that right now. Sometimes they 814 00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:26.639 ran home running. Wow. 815 00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:29.119 So I'd be interested to get your thoughts on like 816 00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:32.400 the Typhoni and oto and the whole like love crafting aspect. 817 00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:33.679 So were they onto something? 818 00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:36.599 Were they doing something right by adapting that system or 819 00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:37.440 was it all bullshit? 820 00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:43.559 Too Well, in my opinion, it was all bullshit, But 821 00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:51.360 that doesn't mean it wasn't meaningful for the people involved. Okay. 822 00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:56.599 I was attracted a little bit to them and curious 823 00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:04.559 even probation did Staley failed me? Okay, only because I 824 00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:06.760 rather than doing one ritual every day for a year, 825 00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:09.000 I did four rituals every day. I did live or 826 00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:12.559 resh at the four angles of the sun, and sometimes 827 00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:14.400 I had to do it when driving home from work. 828 00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:19.719 And since I did, I failed. So you already see 829 00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:25.000 a tyranny of structure going on there, and not really 830 00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:28.639 somebody that's recognizing, you know, because I was at least 831 00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:34.639 a zeloter at the time, maybe even a practicus. So 832 00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:39.039 I had established credentials far beyond already with anything you 833 00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:42.599 would really be doing in the Typhony and Temple, and 834 00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:48.239 the Typhony and Temple pretended to have this secret of 835 00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:53.320 sex magic. But you know, I think besides Kenneth Grant 836 00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:56.320 and his wife, there wasn't that much really going on. 837 00:58:56.480 --> 00:59:00.119 I mean, I had this problem with the wickens to 838 00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:06.239 the polyamory bullshit. When you get caught up in these circles, 839 00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:12.880 they explode guaranteed net result no matter how long it 840 00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:18.079 lasts in between, and it generally doesn't last too long, okay. 841 00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:22.920 And I saw it completely destroy a student of mind, 842 00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:28.400 and I loved her dearly. She just went down that road. 843 00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:30.800 I said, you know, have you really thought about this? 844 00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:35.000 And she didn't deal with her issues of an abusive husband. 845 00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:47.199 So again, I think Kenneth Grant was the adept. I 846 00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:50.199 think he generated new nosis and there's a lot of 847 00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:58.000 valuable stuff in his material. What then happened with some 848 00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:02.199 of his experiments and where Staley and that's another guy 849 01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:08.159 came along, I get his name, but those two really 850 01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:15.639 built this whole shock idea into initiation. You know, like 851 01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:18.400 Divo wanted to do a concert in Central Park where 852 01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:21.320 they instructed all their audience to wear diapers. They were 853 01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:23.760 going to hit the pitch that makes a shit in 854 01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:29.400 our pants, and eventually the New York Parks and Recreation 855 01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:31.320 Department canceled the idea. 856 01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:36.119 They wereried diapers for the ball drop. What's the difference, Well, 857 01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:37.840 the ball drop. 858 01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:42.920 But they're getting through the day there. They're there fifteen eighteen, 859 01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:47.440 sometimes twenty four hours. Okay. Whereas you go to a 860 01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:49.719 rock concert in Central Park used to be the Shaeffer 861 01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:54.320 Music Festival, and you're already waiting for general admission tickets 862 01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:56.360 in your online all day and then Divo is going 863 01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.440 to play the one tone. There's a tone, there's a 864 01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:01.559 musical tone that you play in this note that will 865 01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:02.559 make you shame. 866 01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:10.239 Has it been scientifically proven? The brown note? 867 01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:11.199 The brown note? 868 01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:17.079 Yeah, I don't know anything about it. I never inquired 869 01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:17.639 into it. 870 01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:25.840 I went to a psychic TV concert, oh yeah, one time, 871 01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:30.400 and this was in the early eighties, and what's his 872 01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:31.800 name was the leader of. 873 01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:38.000 That eventually became a girl, right yeah, but he became 874 01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:43.159 the Oto Darling. Okay, and the concert I went to 875 01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:50.760 was a screen recording of his surgery, getting his cock 876 01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:58.360 fit with a cockering. Okay, and on the sides of 877 01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:05.079 the screen, we're too John Brown, Tom Tom drums and 878 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:08.760 one hammering on each one at the same time for 879 01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:15.880 like two hours. Dump and you're a man standing there, 880 01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:21.440 really having every sort of penisle fear and pain that 881 01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:25.199 you could ever imagine. Getting kicked into balls is nothing, 882 01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:31.079 And I'm trying to endure this work of art. I 883 01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:33.960 finally couldn't take it anymore. And just as I sat 884 01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:42.079 down on the sidewall, see they stopped. I was so happy, 885 01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:46.480 And in the end I walked down it going that 886 01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:51.719 really wasn't art at all. That was designed to arouse 887 01:02:52.639 --> 01:03:00.519 a physical trauma in the mal okay, and unnecessary physical 888 01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:05.760 trauma like love Craft, unnecessary site trauma. That really is 889 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:13.280 just an exercise in stupidity, futility. You know, if you 890 01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:16.400 enjoy fear, you know that's fine. But I've lived in Newark, 891 01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:19.920 I've lived in Harlem. I don't really ever want to 892 01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:24.800 pay for fear. I've never even watched Jewels. The father 893 01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:28.000 of it all, Our Lord Jesus, you. 894 01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:31.320 Were initiated to the mysteries of the cockering that day. 895 01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:36.880 Yeah, there we go, there we go. Maybe if that's 896 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:39.920 what killed off my love life, let me have to 897 01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:41.119 think about that one too. 898 01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:43.519 A certain type of nois. 899 01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:48.760 I found. 900 01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:52.199 The brown note is supposed to be between four and 901 01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:57.400 eight hurts because that's the resident frequency of the abdominal cavity. 902 01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:01.840 So if you poor, I don't think we can hear 903 01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:05.800 for hers. So as an act, it doesn't act on 904 01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:09.480 the body, but the ears may not pick it up. Right. 905 01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:14.760 Yeah, Well, I mean, if they allegedly use directed energy 906 01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:18.039 weapons to sodomize people, if they would be able to 907 01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:19.760 play a note that'd make you sure your pants. I 908 01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:22.079 mean I could believe that. I'm sure that the government 909 01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:24.760 has some technology. 910 01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:29.880 Well, that reminds me. There's a story about Tesla who 911 01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:34.639 had a vibrating chair and he really appre he really 912 01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:40.440 liked Marked Twain Mark Twain, and invited him over and 913 01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:45.800 had him sit in this chair at the vibration level 914 01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.559 that would and that would give him diarrhea. If the 915 01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:50.280 story is. 916 01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:53.840 Mark Twain get mixed in with that, he. 917 01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:58.079 Was fascinating and Tesla they were they were fascinated by 918 01:04:58.079 --> 01:04:58.480 each other. 919 01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:01.679 If I'm not mistaken, I didn't know that I didn't know. 920 01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:06.719 Oh yeah, well Tesla would have been in this area too, Yeah, okay. 921 01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:10.199 Yeah, Tesla Tesla. I think at the time he was not. 922 01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:16.719 Sorry, was it Mark Twain like Illinois or something like that. 923 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.599 I think at the time the visit took place in 924 01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:21.639 upstate New York. If it did indeed happen. 925 01:05:22.599 --> 01:05:22.840 Yeah. 926 01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:26.199 I wanted to point out too that you're about bud there. 927 01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:34.840 You're you're actually quite Eastern minded in your ideas that 928 01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:39.599 are syncretic, but also in the idea mainly that there's 929 01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:46.719 the way of no way, right, That's That's what. 930 01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:52.800 I'm saying, so experience, okay, And I was. 931 01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:57.000 I was going to say, in tai Chi practice, one 932 01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:01.960 way to refine the kind of perspective on the way 933 01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:07.719 of no way is that people or one can do 934 01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:12.039 the same movement differently, and in the beginning it's hard 935 01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:17.400 for a beginner to get it because it's always slightly different, 936 01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:18.920 or the move that. 937 01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:22.039 Might just for a little bit in what they call 938 01:06:22.159 --> 01:06:24.199 soft hands cool. 939 01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:26.360 Yeah, push hands, push ends, yes. 940 01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:30.000 Push hands, and and that that is that is embodying 941 01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:35.320 that I trained for a little Castanatus system cool, which 942 01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.280 kind of mimic that whole thing, and it was all 943 01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:42.800 about body memory, right, that's what it is now. 944 01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:45.440 I was just going to say to refine off the 945 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:51.000 idea that the principles are what's more important rather than 946 01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:56.519 the actual specifics might be different, right, So these these principles, 947 01:06:58.840 --> 01:06:59.639 I don't know. 948 01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:02.480 That the principles at their root are really all that different. 949 01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:06.000 I used to have a pe I don't. 950 01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:10.480 I just mean that they're more kind of the basis 951 01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:13.360 and paramount and then it can be done your own way, 952 01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:15.480 like well. 953 01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:19.360 Yeah, but of course, now here's where instruction really counts. 954 01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:25.960 Some of these masters have managed to do very unique 955 01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:31.079 things with the body and developed all sorts of strengths 956 01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:37.079 and talents, and I think there is something of value 957 01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:39.760 in it. Of course. You know, there's the Hindu story 958 01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:42.480 of the guy who stood on one foot with his 959 01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:45.039 finger in his ear, and you know, was able to 960 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:48.199 live for a thousand years. But you know what kind 961 01:07:48.199 --> 01:07:50.320 of living was he doing? Right? 962 01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:53.840 But you know, saying no, I don't mean to say 963 01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:58.079 that there's a Taichiet practice that one should adopt immediately. 964 01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:01.679 I mean to say that your idea of doing your 965 01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:02.440 own way. 966 01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:07.400 To get back to movement for a second, it's a 967 01:08:07.519 --> 01:08:10.880 body movement of like tai chi or castanadas thing, or 968 01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:15.039 you know, even more basic yoga or even fancy yoga 969 01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:18.039 poses and all that and mudras, the mudros, you know, 970 01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:23.840 with all that. I used to have this adult piano student. 971 01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:27.880 He was a New York State trooper. He died last year, 972 01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:33.039 owned his own martial arts academy. It was a sinse 973 01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:36.960 and as I was teaching him to move his fingers, 974 01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:44.720 I used the language of these Eastern arts and I said, well, listen, 975 01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:48.479 you train your body, and you learn certain moves, and 976 01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.359 you do them in a certain order, and you then 977 01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:54.319 repeat those moves, and you repeat those moves until you 978 01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.199 can do them with perfection. And then you engage in 979 01:08:57.239 --> 01:09:02.800 a competition, and you know, you you learn to improvise 980 01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:05.199 on those moves because you don't know what your opponent 981 01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:07.800 is going to bring at you. Well, that's playing the piano. 982 01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:12.159 I'm just doing it with ten fingers, not four limbs 983 01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:19.439 in a head, right, And yet that movement creates the 984 01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:24.199 feeling of art in the Western mind, and I have 985 01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:27.439 to imagine the Eastern mind. You know, somebody playing you know, 986 01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:31.800 an Eastern instrument, et cetera, that you know moods and 987 01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:37.479 connections with the inner divine are made through this, so 988 01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:40.479 that mine might be at the piano and somebody else 989 01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:46.319 might be doing tai chi. I think both can bring 990 01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:49.840 you to the same place. What we then need to 991 01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:56.520 do is add in Arkabala and holybooks, because that gives 992 01:09:56.600 --> 01:10:03.000 us direction, that gives us spirit, and that's our come up, 993 01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:09.520 you know, so that you know, any powerful spiritual holy 994 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:14.119 book should come to live inside of you. In the AA, 995 01:10:14.279 --> 01:10:17.000 everybody has to memorize the chapter of each of the 996 01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:19.680 multi chapter holybooks, and then the whole of the single 997 01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:23.800 chapter books as they go through the grades, and at 998 01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:26.960 each stage that book comes alive in you that chapter 999 01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:32.960 and it kind of details your character to some degree, 1000 01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:36.600 and it helps you to get to know thyself the 1001 01:10:36.680 --> 01:10:41.119 hermetic axiom. But you know you're creating an uplifted self, 1002 01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:43.920 you know. The first one is Libra sixty five. It's 1003 01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:46.880 about the knowledge and conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel. 1004 01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:49.800 We tell the probation, this is your first contact with 1005 01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:53.359 your angel. The chapter you chose, because we don't necessarily 1006 01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:55.319 tell them until after they chose the chapter. The chapter 1007 01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:57.840 you chose tell us us something about the nature of 1008 01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:02.840 your soul, the one you're creating, not the one you have. 1009 01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:06.000 You weren't born under a good sign, so sorry, you're 1010 01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:09.399 studying spirituality. You got kicked around out of the world somehow, 1011 01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:12.119 a world at home, in school, wherever it is. You 1012 01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:14.439 got kicked around, or you would still be a church 1013 01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:19.439 going God blessed be gees Us you know, or you know, 1014 01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:22.600 killing and dying for God, whichever kind of personality you got. 1015 01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:31.520 If we all do it, let's go kill for Jesus Alla, 1016 01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:36.479 we kill for Alla Jovah. We conquer all the powasland. 1017 01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:42.039 And it is the way of the world. It's the 1018 01:11:42.039 --> 01:11:45.239 power structure. You know. If you don't like it, you 1019 01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:49.640 don't understand the world. You need to deepen your gnostic experience. 1020 01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:53.760 If there's anything that you think is wrong with the world, 1021 01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:57.760 because there's nothing wrong with it. It's absolutely perfect as 1022 01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:02.000 it is right now. It's the amalgam of all of 1023 01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:07.319 our thoughts and it's humanity coming to consciousness. We're learning 1024 01:12:07.439 --> 01:12:12.880 how to think. Ignore the most college that wants us 1025 01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:15.960 to escape. You got to come here and think. Thinking 1026 01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:18.560 is the next evolutionary step. 1027 01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:29.600 Next think girl, I think what happens also is that 1028 01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:33.840 like most of the people with their respective religions and beliefs, 1029 01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:36.079 is they do get hung up. Like we talked about 1030 01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:38.680 at the beginning of the episode with people who have 1031 01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:42.640 passed on, is that we worship them as they are 1032 01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:47.760 the end all be all, And really, honestly, they're just 1033 01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:52.720 the people in the Hall of Fame. Really, they're the 1034 01:12:52.720 --> 01:12:58.399 ones that they got the closest than anyone else has. 1035 01:12:59.119 --> 01:13:02.920 Now, so here's glu Garrig in the whole fame and 1036 01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:06.239 here I am Johnny, little schoolboy that wants to grow 1037 01:13:06.319 --> 01:13:09.079 up and become Luke Gerrick. But in the end, I'm 1038 01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:10.840 the one that has to learn how to swing the bat, 1039 01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:14.880 play the field, throw the pitch, catch it right. And 1040 01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:20.479 Solu Gerreck maybe a model, an idol. Maybe lul Grek 1041 01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:22.880 taught me how to hit a little bit. I copied 1042 01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:26.319 his stance, you know, I watched how he played the field, 1043 01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:34.319 you know. And so there's so much value to get from, 1044 01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:39.760 you know, all these different approaches and the fact that 1045 01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:44.359 somebody can hand down some parts of a tradition is rich. 1046 01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:49.399 But in the end, just like when your pillow hits 1047 01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:52.000 the when your head hits the pillow at night, you're 1048 01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:57.520 all alone in that moment, you know, and in the end, 1049 01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:02.199 that's the one you got to live with. Yeah. I've 1050 01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:07.720 always been an idea man, through all my depressions in 1051 01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:13.520 my younger years, through my whole foray into drugs and 1052 01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:19.520 ridiculousness and my obnoxious college career, and I was super 1053 01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:23.840 New York City kind of asshole. I'm still an asshole, 1054 01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:28.880 but just you know, a more mature asshole. 1055 01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:30.199 Now enlightened asshole. 1056 01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:34.720 Yeah, I mean lightened, That's what I like. You know 1057 01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:37.560 what I'm saying that would we're back to for degrees 1058 01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:46.319 or something. Now I'm producing ideas like mad. I mean, 1059 01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:48.199 I just put up a new video I think is 1060 01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:50.880 my best today, and I got a new idea for 1061 01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:53.439 a next set of sermons and do I'm William James, 1062 01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:56.680 So I'm trying to ramp up for that so I 1063 01:14:56.680 --> 01:15:01.239 can write a whole bunch of sermons real quick. And 1064 01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:02.880 the idea is keep coming my head. I got four 1065 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:04.520 books on my desk that I'm trying to write, and 1066 01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:07.840 another four volume set that I've been writing for years 1067 01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:10.239 and just can't seem to get back to. But I'm saying, 1068 01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:11.880 whenever I get done writing all this other shit, I'm 1069 01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:13.600 going to do that. I swear I promised those where 1070 01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:24.720 and I'm in absolute heaven. I'm fully aware of the 1071 01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:28.920 traumatic life that I lived, and it was no easy 1072 01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:32.920 ride for me. I don't have to sit here and 1073 01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:34.640 sing you that song. 1074 01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:35.159 You know. 1075 01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:43.920 I never learned violent, but I've had my pain. I've 1076 01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:50.359 read my early diaries. I was a fucking lunatic. All 1077 01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:54.000 of that shaped me, all of that colored my opinion 1078 01:15:54.079 --> 01:15:58.399 of the world, and all the inspiration that I had 1079 01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:01.039 in each age writing the souls. When I was you know, 1080 01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:04.079 in my heavy music period, you know, I was in 1081 01:16:04.119 --> 01:16:10.880 three different rock bands that we're pretty serious bands. It'll 1082 01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:18.880 be cool, we don't play with that. And I came 1083 01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:21.319 to finally see that I had been doing it all 1084 01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:27.720 along from childhood, always generating ideas. We wrote plays as kids, 1085 01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:29.159 we staged them. 1086 01:16:29.159 --> 01:16:29.319 You know. 1087 01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:32.119 We'd have beauty contests and we'd invite all our sisters 1088 01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:34.359 and stuff like that, and me and my buddy Wearing 1089 01:16:34.359 --> 01:16:36.520 would take a cake, you know, and then you know, 1090 01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:39.000 then we you know, said build a stage and we'd 1091 01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:41.079 have the whole little event. But I mean it was 1092 01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:45.159 a kids thing, but we organized the neighborhood, you know, 1093 01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:47.920 I had by a lemonade stand in front of the house. 1094 01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:52.319 I even did a junk sale and I ended up 1095 01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:55.479 spending a couple of days buying and reselling to a 1096 01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:56.760 guy that was wholesaling to me. 1097 01:16:57.479 --> 01:16:57.720 I was. 1098 01:16:57.840 --> 01:17:07.279 I made a few bucks. Eventually the Internet opened up 1099 01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:12.600 and I was able to become a writer and I 1100 01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:15.960 got a large body of work that I love and 1101 01:17:16.359 --> 01:17:19.239 treasure and I hope the world will find it. You know, 1102 01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:23.960 I sell a few books, you know, beer money, and 1103 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:26.960 I'm drink beer though, so I keep it now. It 1104 01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:34.640 helps the church. It's what it's all about. And I 1105 01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:38.640 don't know if I've brought myself into the world. I 1106 01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:42.880 can't claim that a depth ship and I might not 1107 01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:47.359 live to see it, and yet might happen. Right, Eventually 1108 01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:50.960 I'll reach the world. You know, my books will be discovering. 1109 01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:53.560 I know every artist is discovered, you know, three days 1110 01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:55.800 after he's dead, so you know you need three days 1111 01:17:55.840 --> 01:18:02.960 to resurrect. Three days for good binge. But I don't 1112 01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:14.399 do coke anymore. You're you're you're Mike sah. Yeah, thank 1113 01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:15.119 you for noticing. 1114 01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:18.159 Thank you, duh. One thing I wanted to ask, and 1115 01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:23.920 I appreciate how you present things, and uh that I 1116 01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:26.760 find and and how you were saying how some things 1117 01:18:26.760 --> 01:18:30.880 are kind of superfluous in the beginning, But I find 1118 01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:34.399 that this idea I'm all, I am admittedly obsessed with, 1119 01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:40.399 but it is also a very syncretic idea in itself, 1120 01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:45.640 and yet it is presented in the Kabbala really beautifully 1121 01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:49.880 in the idea of the four worlds. Would you would 1122 01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:53.560 you explore the idea of the four worlds, and it's 1123 01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:55.760 syncretic related and. 1124 01:18:56.239 --> 01:18:58.880 Just well, I would say the cabal in general, first 1125 01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:02.560 is syncretic in nature. It's an amalcolm compendium of the 1126 01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:07.640 entire Western mystery tradition. You know, it's not just its 1127 01:19:07.760 --> 01:19:12.199 details of the tree of life in the four worlds. Now, 1128 01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:15.680 of the four worlds, well, we have the tree of 1129 01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:22.920 life laid through those four worlds, okay, So what we're 1130 01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:28.960 seeing is the descent of the divine light into the 1131 01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:37.920 Adam cadmon who secretly hides the Shaquina, and then the 1132 01:19:37.960 --> 01:19:42.359 Shakina ultimately descends to Malcoot and it's God's blessing on 1133 01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:45.720 his people. This is really Jewish kabbala, I would say, 1134 01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:52.039 not Philema kabala. But yet the Shakina then becomes Babylon 1135 01:19:52.119 --> 01:19:55.079 in the Kabbala, and she's the one who sits on 1136 01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:58.239 the throne of the queen to waken the elder the King. 1137 01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:06.239 So in these four worlds, we start at the highest 1138 01:20:06.439 --> 01:20:14.119 spiritual level, you know, absolute, we get to that psychic 1139 01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:18.760 in between world, that astral in between world that really 1140 01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:22.239 floats between time and not time, and we'll call that Bria. 1141 01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:27.720 It's the formative world, the real astral world that everyone 1142 01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.520 partakes with. That are that are the parts of the soul, 1143 01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:35.039 the ruac that's in Yetsirah. And then finally, the lowst 1144 01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:40.560 of the world is the material manifestation of the Godhead 1145 01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:43.640 that started up a cather up top in the highest world. 1146 01:20:44.720 --> 01:20:51.960 So we're each God, and we're each that same God. 1147 01:20:52.119 --> 01:20:57.279 We're each the one God, the one became the all. 1148 01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:04.920 There is no one anymore, the world one is none. Okay, 1149 01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:07.479 So they say that you know we're all one. I 1150 01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:12.560 just say give me your bank account. We just start 1151 01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:15.600 with the number. I could do the rest. Okay, we're 1152 01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:19.000 all one. And if this world is an illusion, I 1153 01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:21.039 want you first to say that while your hands in 1154 01:21:21.039 --> 01:21:23.720 a hot frying pan. But if you're not willing to 1155 01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:25.479 do that. Let's just take a raise of baite and 1156 01:21:25.479 --> 01:21:29.159 slice your face so that you're all but ugly, and 1157 01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:37.119 see how your opportunities for life disappear. Okay, so there's 1158 01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:40.560 something very real about this world. Then there's something very 1159 01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:45.239 real about our perceptions of this world. And we each 1160 01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:49.159 have our own unique perceptions of this world. So what's 1161 01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:52.560 right for me might not be right for you, and 1162 01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:55.920 vice versa, right or they may be right. And you know, 1163 01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:58.760 we'll form a club. We'll initiate each other, pet each 1164 01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:00.319 other in the back, and you'll be the big Poopa 1165 01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:07.000 and I'll be assistant vice president Popa. So the four 1166 01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:11.159 worlds are description of the involution of the divine into 1167 01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:17.319 the manifestation of the divine in the material world. It's 1168 01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:22.880 at the opposite end to their spirit and matter, and 1169 01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:25.880 in between the rurock is soul. But you've got to 1170 01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:30.640 make that if the world's telling you what to be, 1171 01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:33.800 how to be, who to be, why to be, then 1172 01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:35.199 you ain't making it. 1173 01:22:37.640 --> 01:22:44.119 Yeah, playing, I identify as a toaster, though, does that 1174 01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:45.600 mean I'm in lands? 1175 01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:49.279 We're going to go. You're going to get me started 1176 01:22:49.319 --> 01:22:56.119 on the problem of trading. Okay, you have to sit 1177 01:22:56.159 --> 01:23:02.439 there and let it happen. But these are people mutilating 1178 01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:08.000 themselves in each other. And it is an illness to 1179 01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:10.520 think you were born in the wrong body, and an 1180 01:23:10.600 --> 01:23:14.159 even worse illness to think that you could change the body. 1181 01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:22.279 It doesn't work. Okay. The guy becoming a woman will 1182 01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:26.239 never menstruate. He doesn't know about a woman's fear of menstruation. 1183 01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:28.479 It's you know, in her early age, she can't go 1184 01:23:28.520 --> 01:23:30.840 in the swimming pool in the summer. She's you know, 1185 01:23:31.119 --> 01:23:34.680 all these things that go with puberty. The guy who's 1186 01:23:34.720 --> 01:23:37.479 completely unsure of himself, and every time the teacher says 1187 01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:39.319 you got an a and this one, he comes in 1188 01:23:39.399 --> 01:23:42.760 his pants. He's afraid people are gonna notice. Well, that's 1189 01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:47.239 a girl becoming a guy is never going to know that. 1190 01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:52.159 And from the moment of the surgery, they will never 1191 01:23:52.279 --> 01:23:56.319 ever experience an orgasm again. So they are lost. They've 1192 01:23:56.359 --> 01:24:05.119 lost their central connection with spirit. That's wild, Okay, you 1193 01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:05.680 don't live. 1194 01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:07.000 They don't live the question. 1195 01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:14.319 They don't live the question. They don't they're they're they're 1196 01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:17.600 trying to be toasters. You know what I'm saying. I 1197 01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:20.640 can trade in my two sized toaster for a four 1198 01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:25.079 sized tuscer or maybe a toaster oven and then then 1199 01:24:25.119 --> 01:24:30.439 they can put it in the oven. The disgusting things 1200 01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:33.760 that these trans people have to do every single day 1201 01:24:33.880 --> 01:24:37.800 to maintain themselves, and they manage drugs they got to sell. 1202 01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:41.680 It was in the DSM for how many years as 1203 01:24:41.680 --> 01:24:46.520 a mental disease and now it's gender affirmative care. And 1204 01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:49.840 we all have to change our pronouns. Well, my pronoun 1205 01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:56.399 is in bullumpa just for your information. You can't change 1206 01:24:56.439 --> 01:24:59.840 the language. You can't change the pronouns. The universe works 1207 01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:06.359 in yin and yang. It's this spiritual truth. This France 1208 01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:11.840 shows you that we've moved to a heightened, exaggerated state 1209 01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:16.520 on the nature of materialism and the nature of consumerism. 1210 01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:19.840 They're buying this. Parents are being told, if you don't 1211 01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:22.640 put your child through this, she's going to kill herself 1212 01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:29.319 or he's going to kill himself. Bullshit. Everybody in puberty 1213 01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:32.359 really doubts themselves for a little while. 1214 01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:38.680 And me and Robbie where we're interested in the Kybaline 1215 01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:43.720 worship of like ancient Rome to believe, yeah. 1216 01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:47.119 And that quite extensively, Yeah. 1217 01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:50.399 An addas worship where they would castrate themselves as a 1218 01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:55.399 public ritual. And there's so many different parallels between what 1219 01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:59.880 was going on back then, the declining home and empire parallels. 1220 01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:08.920 They were castrating and destroying themselves for the sake of 1221 01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:10.239 religious ecstasy. 1222 01:26:10.760 --> 01:26:13.720 Both in the East and West, there are movements that 1223 01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:19.960 are very much against any form of sexuality, Okay, any 1224 01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:24.079 form of sexuality, any form of semen surrender, you know, 1225 01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:27.640 in one branch, right, So that you know, and that's 1226 01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:29.439 why your Roman priest is going to tell you like 1227 01:26:29.479 --> 01:26:32.479 he told me in puberty, that every time I jerked off, 1228 01:26:32.720 --> 01:26:34.560 I killed ten thousand babies. 1229 01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:35.239 Damn. 1230 01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:39.560 Okay, and so you realize that, you know, you're a 1231 01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:43.399 mess sitting there in churches, a devout Roman Catholic. And 1232 01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:46.920 you know, finally I chose well masturbation at first, and 1233 01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:50.159 then I earned a few other tricks. I'll buy your. 1234 01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:53.560 Something magical masturbation. You don't have to do anything. 1235 01:26:54.479 --> 01:26:56.800 Well, you got to still got to say the magical ritual, right, 1236 01:26:56.840 --> 01:26:59.199 You got to prepare, you got to dress, get yourself 1237 01:26:59.239 --> 01:27:03.359 a decent job, some decent clothes, a nice apartment, good music, 1238 01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:04.560 because she's got to see that. 1239 01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:07.079 You know, you're together kind of guy, right, And then 1240 01:27:07.119 --> 01:27:09.159 you got to learn how to say can I see 1241 01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:09.840 you next week? 1242 01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:14.159 Well, I think one of the things that stands out 1243 01:27:14.159 --> 01:27:17.840 to me with the Kibli worship was it was usually 1244 01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:23.439 slaves that would participate in the self castration. For them, 1245 01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:27.279 moving up the ladder meant becoming a high priest of 1246 01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:31.000 this attis worship. And the way they would do it 1247 01:27:31.039 --> 01:27:33.079 is through the public ritual. And then what we have 1248 01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:37.720 today is the way these PARTI slavery right, well, the 1249 01:27:37.720 --> 01:27:40.359 way these parents want to elevate crimes. 1250 01:27:40.840 --> 01:27:42.960 You might get me to cut my balls off too, 1251 01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:44.239 to get out of Roman slavery. 1252 01:27:45.680 --> 01:27:50.199 Well, and under Kibli, when they would go through the 1253 01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:53.359 levels of initiation, and finally on what they called the 1254 01:27:53.439 --> 01:27:56.680 day of blood, when they would actually sever the member. 1255 01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:01.439 They they knew they were entering into the cult as 1256 01:28:01.439 --> 01:28:04.760 a slave of the goddess. But the goddess would you know, 1257 01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:08.920 hold her hands out in protection of the galley or 1258 01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:11.079 the you know, the base that. 1259 01:28:12.279 --> 01:28:18.079 That person became a cleric administering to the priestesses of 1260 01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:25.239 the temple. Yes, Now, why were the sacred whorees in 1261 01:28:25.319 --> 01:28:30.399 those temples? They were the priestess. When a Roman soldier 1262 01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:33.439 came home from the battlefield and they saw a lot 1263 01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:36.600 of battlefield. They had to get rid of the PTSD, 1264 01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:41.199 they had to get rid of the gross materialism, and 1265 01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:53.039 the priests by opened with the priest bestowed this soldier's 1266 01:28:53.039 --> 01:28:56.479 social soul that he was able to move back into society. 1267 01:28:57.720 --> 01:29:02.079 So her function was quite regal. She prophecied, she did 1268 01:29:02.119 --> 01:29:05.720 other things, you know what I'm saying. But their goddesses 1269 01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:10.920 were loved as much as their gods, and their cults 1270 01:29:11.039 --> 01:29:16.079 were great. This bastard child called Trands has nothing to 1271 01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:17.760 do with any of it. And I've gotten all the 1272 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:21.720 literature on the pretense of going back to that old stuff. 1273 01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:24.279 But you know they weren't trans There were no trans 1274 01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:28.399 writers in any age. Okay, queer, what the fuck is that? 1275 01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:31.840 A man with a beard wearing a dress? You know 1276 01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:34.600 what I'm saying. And you know, well, you know, that's 1277 01:29:34.640 --> 01:29:36.560 the only one that probably shouldn't have a job at 1278 01:29:36.560 --> 01:29:38.960 the front counter. The rest of them, we don't know. 1279 01:29:39.439 --> 01:29:40.880 They don't have to come in and tell us what 1280 01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:43.640 they are. Well, I'm heterosexual, I want a job here, 1281 01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:46.520 Mike is here. 1282 01:29:46.920 --> 01:29:49.439 Well, I was going to say. There was an aspect 1283 01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:55.640 within the Kibeline Attis manifestation that they were actually working 1284 01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:59.079 themselves into, like you said, in an ecstatic state. But 1285 01:29:59.119 --> 01:30:03.000 then they would also become married to the goddess herself 1286 01:30:03.560 --> 01:30:07.199 in that androgine form, and then they could become a 1287 01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:13.199 pathiosized and the goddess would basically popiosize them as there 1288 01:30:13.319 --> 01:30:16.840 as a sort of a middleman savior, very much like 1289 01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:19.479 mythras Jesus or. 1290 01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:22.359 Yeah, what that And that's an extreme form of right 1291 01:30:22.399 --> 01:30:26.439 handed tantra right on the right right hand of the 1292 01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:31.119 naked girl, and they don't touch her, right, that's right. 1293 01:30:31.279 --> 01:30:37.359 I wanted to mention there there there was a cult 1294 01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:43.840 in Russia that was into the castration thing and removal 1295 01:30:43.880 --> 01:30:48.319 of the limbs to not true. I don't know if 1296 01:30:48.319 --> 01:30:50.640 i'd listened, Robbie, if you knew about it. I believe it. 1297 01:30:51.159 --> 01:30:54.119 I just looked it up. It's the Skoptsky cult. And 1298 01:30:54.159 --> 01:31:00.199 they would remove limbs to prove their you know, worship 1299 01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:03.399 dedication to the second, to prove their dedication. 1300 01:31:03.560 --> 01:31:08.199 Ye gods so believed in Jesus, they allowed themselves to 1301 01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:13.560 be crucified. Later, right, right, Andrew died martyrs, you know, 1302 01:31:14.760 --> 01:31:18.199 so you look at all those martyrs, and it became 1303 01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:22.239 a way to spiritually prove yourself. It was a guarantee 1304 01:31:22.279 --> 01:31:25.239 into heaven. Right, if you die to martyrs as a 1305 01:31:25.319 --> 01:31:27.960 Muslim on the field, you know, you get seventy two versions. 1306 01:31:28.520 --> 01:31:31.239 I don't know what happens to them next. 1307 01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:34.359 But you know there's also the Yeah, there was also 1308 01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:39.239 the idea of the suffering of the flesh cleanses the soul. 1309 01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:44.119 And you see this in various forms through miscellaneous cultures worldwide. 1310 01:31:44.239 --> 01:31:48.039 It is lom. You don't drink, you don't take in 1311 01:31:48.159 --> 01:31:52.279 any inebriath, right, so you're sacrificed. You drink your wine 1312 01:31:52.279 --> 01:31:57.800 in heaven. So heaven is an earthly material place. It's 1313 01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:00.239 just the perfect place. And this is the problem with 1314 01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:02.760 Plato and Aristotle, the subject of the video I just 1315 01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:08.359 put up today. Plato creates this world of ideal forms 1316 01:32:09.119 --> 01:32:11.520 that would be ultimately, to make a long story short, 1317 01:32:11.600 --> 01:32:15.199 bastardized into heaven. And it was the perfect world. That 1318 01:32:15.279 --> 01:32:17.800 Aristotle would say, this world as the imperfect world, is 1319 01:32:17.960 --> 01:32:21.760 just as real, but it's evil because it's imperfect and 1320 01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:28.720 constantly changing. Her medic axiom change equal stability. So you 1321 01:32:28.840 --> 01:32:35.920 see that this idea creates the idea of original sin, 1322 01:32:36.520 --> 01:32:42.039 heaven and hell. This stuff develops centuries later. In Christianity, 1323 01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:45.560 hell didn't exist until something like seven hundred and eighty. 1324 01:32:49.239 --> 01:32:51.880 I think that part of the Gnostic texts of Mary 1325 01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:55.319 Magdalene and that she was claiming that Jesus had said 1326 01:32:55.319 --> 01:32:58.560 that sin is more of a disease of the soul 1327 01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:02.199 because you are not allowing the soul to become or 1328 01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:05.640 to You're not allowing the soul to be who the 1329 01:33:05.680 --> 01:33:10.720 soul was intended to be, and not exploring those moments 1330 01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:14.039 for the soul to kind of reveal itself, reveal its 1331 01:33:14.079 --> 01:33:17.479 purpose and then walk in that purpose. And that by 1332 01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:21.920 you not doing those things that you were causing disease 1333 01:33:22.079 --> 01:33:26.319 or disease of the soul itself. I believe that's what 1334 01:33:26.439 --> 01:33:28.560 was in the Gnostic of Mary Magdalene. 1335 01:33:29.039 --> 01:33:34.239 It's a beautiful thought, and I've heard that said, you 1336 01:33:34.279 --> 01:33:41.039 know along outside of Magdalen's text. It's the word sin 1337 01:33:41.239 --> 01:33:44.319 I have a problem with. It's made your definition and 1338 01:33:45.079 --> 01:33:54.720 primordial definition is that it is making a God not happy, 1339 01:33:55.000 --> 01:33:59.319 and that God is the ultimate voyeur. He watches everything 1340 01:33:59.359 --> 01:34:03.520 you do, all of your most private moments, and he 1341 01:34:03.720 --> 01:34:06.479 knows your every thought, and he's a he. 1342 01:34:09.399 --> 01:34:12.359 Not just that, Paul, but if you go back to Exodus, 1343 01:34:12.399 --> 01:34:15.319 the way that they describe the god of the bibler 1344 01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:18.640 Yahweh is like a cloud by day, and then it 1345 01:34:18.640 --> 01:34:21.119 would live in a box per night. I mean we've 1346 01:34:21.119 --> 01:34:27.079 all gotten box, right, I mean the idea of this 1347 01:34:27.239 --> 01:34:31.520 interdimensional AI thing, right, because he makes the chest plate 1348 01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:35.079 of the priest's light up, right, So he stood up 1349 01:34:35.119 --> 01:34:39.520 with this information sort of like an alternate dimension. 1350 01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:46.399 The Covenant. They were just imitating the Egyptian gods, right, Okay, 1351 01:34:46.840 --> 01:34:50.520 god had his own arc and it was carried ceremoniously, 1352 01:34:51.399 --> 01:34:56.439 just like the Ark of the Covenant. Now those miraculous 1353 01:34:56.479 --> 01:34:58.800 things have been ascribed to the Ark of the Covenant. 1354 01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:01.800 And somebody walked up and touched and died in right. 1355 01:35:01.840 --> 01:35:05.000 And there's all sorts of theories of static electricity. Somehow 1356 01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:09.079 they had an electric engine going in all of this. Well, 1357 01:35:09.199 --> 01:35:13.920 that story, okay, I used to play with for the 1358 01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:16.239 you know, the Knicks and the Yankees, you know, in 1359 01:35:16.239 --> 01:35:18.840 the Wolf season, And now I'm just here to mingle 1360 01:35:18.880 --> 01:35:23.880 with the little people. Good story. You know, if you 1361 01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:26.439 buy it, thank you very much. I still won't write 1362 01:35:26.479 --> 01:35:26.960 you a check. 1363 01:35:27.840 --> 01:35:29.960 I do have a friend who has kind of built 1364 01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:33.279 an Oregon Box out of the dimensions of the arc, 1365 01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:36.039 and he has done some wild stuff with that ship. 1366 01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:42.560 I think there's a lot very interesting about the Oregon Box. Uh. 1367 01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:46.960 A former church member of Oars actually visited his property. 1368 01:35:47.039 --> 01:35:50.880 I'm trying to give his name, o Going Box. Who's 1369 01:35:50.920 --> 01:35:52.760 the guy who invented the Orgon box. 1370 01:35:53.920 --> 01:36:01.880 William Willel Mike Right, You've got to read his two 1371 01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:03.920 book series on the orgasm. 1372 01:36:05.479 --> 01:36:09.720 It's the ultimate in psychological reading and understanding the body. 1373 01:36:11.520 --> 01:36:15.399 We live at a lot of heidos gambos, the sacred 1374 01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:18.279 love between the Earth and the sky. That's basically what 1375 01:36:18.359 --> 01:36:19.199 he's said, right. 1376 01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:22.600 Well, yeah, and he's trying to play with the chiat 1377 01:36:22.880 --> 01:36:28.840 natural forces, and he's trying to technologize that, you know, 1378 01:36:29.039 --> 01:36:35.199 Alla tesla, right, And I think it's fascinating, it's interesting. 1379 01:36:35.960 --> 01:36:38.479 I'm not going to build one. I did a lot 1380 01:36:38.479 --> 01:36:44.319 of other things saying without a direct experience of it. 1381 01:36:44.359 --> 01:36:47.439 After that, I can only say it's a brilliantly interesting theory. 1382 01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:50.279 You've got to come up here. I know, You've got 1383 01:36:50.279 --> 01:36:50.840 to come up here. 1384 01:36:52.039 --> 01:36:56.159 The guy that Nick had on included radioactive material with 1385 01:36:56.239 --> 01:36:59.880 his ore going and created an alternative energy source that would. 1386 01:36:59.640 --> 01:37:03.279 Create paranormal events in this house. We're back to my 1387 01:37:03.399 --> 01:37:05.199 former career with the Knicks and the Yanks. 1388 01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:08.760 Who was that South. 1389 01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:13.520 They can say anything and everything about this stuff, and 1390 01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:17.439 you know, it's back to my whole analogy of you know, 1391 01:37:17.479 --> 01:37:19.600 if I had all the grimoires in my head, you 1392 01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:21.239 know what I'm saying. You know, I might have my 1393 01:37:21.319 --> 01:37:22.760 forty two versions on Earth. 1394 01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:28.000 Right, I'm the biggest dick man. Hm, I'd have the 1395 01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:31.239 biggest dick ever. You wouldn't even know there you got, well, 1396 01:37:31.279 --> 01:37:31.560 you know. 1397 01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:33.319 You wouldn't be able to use it. It would you know, 1398 01:37:33.479 --> 01:37:35.159 be a limp biscuit. 1399 01:37:38.439 --> 01:37:38.800 Shoulder. 1400 01:37:39.720 --> 01:37:42.439 You go, that's it thrown over the shoulder. You're gonna 1401 01:37:42.439 --> 01:37:43.439 give me a wrestling match. 1402 01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:47.439 I just think it's kind of like if you actually 1403 01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:51.720 manifest ghosts, that's kind of it, like knocking on walls and. 1404 01:37:51.680 --> 01:37:55.760 Stuff, wash them sho. 1405 01:37:56.399 --> 01:37:58.560 I can't go for any of this stuff. I've watched 1406 01:37:58.640 --> 01:38:01.199 the Wickens do their ghost tons with their you know, 1407 01:38:01.359 --> 01:38:06.640 super secret plasma mirrors, and you know, just you know, 1408 01:38:07.479 --> 01:38:09.880 it's all and it's oct joke. That doesn't mean that 1409 01:38:09.920 --> 01:38:12.199 there aren't some poltic geist and there aren't some ghosts 1410 01:38:12.239 --> 01:38:15.520 that walk around here and there, but you know there 1411 01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:19.039 that's not really making the headlines because it's not really exciting, 1412 01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:25.159 you know, good good campfire stuff. Though we used to 1413 01:38:25.199 --> 01:38:27.920 tell scary stories at the campfire. We were scared ship 1414 01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:31.119 let's going back to our tents. Men love to do 1415 01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:34.439 it to us. That's what you getcouts. 1416 01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:39.439 Do you not ascribe any kind of metaphysical meaning behind 1417 01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:45.119 stuff like that feeling that talked about the the star 1418 01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:49.000 trek and all these sort of futuristic type of ideas. 1419 01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:55.279 I had even a full writing career long before the 1420 01:38:55.279 --> 01:39:01.720 Internet existed. And the interesting thing in those days was 1421 01:39:01.760 --> 01:39:05.319 you had to get an editor to approve your story, 1422 01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:08.479 to find it interesting and of quality for the magazine 1423 01:39:09.039 --> 01:39:12.800 that you know fulfilled that function and made the magazine richer. 1424 01:39:14.359 --> 01:39:19.479 Now the Internet, ten thousand dumb ideas get the same 1425 01:39:19.520 --> 01:39:23.479 amount of attention. It's one good idea, and the one 1426 01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:27.359 good idea is generally lost and can't be found, and 1427 01:39:27.640 --> 01:39:31.760 the ideas that remain are the ten thousand shitty ideas. 1428 01:39:32.119 --> 01:39:35.279 And that noise is so frigging loud, you know, debating 1429 01:39:35.319 --> 01:39:38.000 some intelligent guys at work, you know, because alls they 1430 01:39:38.079 --> 01:39:39.920 do is, you know, I said, where do you get 1431 01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:42.159 your news from? And we're debating politics and stuff, and 1432 01:39:42.159 --> 01:39:44.279 they say, well, social media, as you see, you live 1433 01:39:44.319 --> 01:39:48.720 in an echo cheap you know, and and and you 1434 01:39:48.720 --> 01:39:52.359 know you can't formulate opinions. And just click on the 1435 01:39:52.399 --> 01:39:58.159 first of those tales and your algorithm will light up 1436 01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:00.000 with more and more and more because they have already 1437 01:40:00.319 --> 01:40:04.159 all got one hundred and forty five million likes. And 1438 01:40:04.279 --> 01:40:07.520 these guys are making money. When you get to your 1439 01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:11.399 first level on YouTube of you know where they begin 1440 01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:13.800 to pay you. You get your four thousand hours in 1441 01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:17.039 a year, with one thousand subscribers, you start to make 1442 01:40:17.399 --> 01:40:23.439 three dollars a month. You need sponsors, and you got 1443 01:40:23.479 --> 01:40:28.439 to build your audience. And the sponsors are going to say, well, listen, 1444 01:40:28.880 --> 01:40:31.920 everybody wants to hear about the UFO that stood on 1445 01:40:31.960 --> 01:40:36.840 top of the pyramid. So this is what you got 1446 01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:38.960 to make or I ain't going to be a sponsor 1447 01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:42.760 your video. Well, jeems a sponsor, You're going to give 1448 01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:45.000 you one thousand dollars this month. I'm going to make 1449 01:40:45.079 --> 01:40:50.760 five of them for you. That's what's going on. And 1450 01:40:50.840 --> 01:40:55.279 it's a ten thousand dumb ideas to one rational good 1451 01:40:56.000 --> 01:41:01.640 and intelligent idea and that's all over the place, and 1452 01:41:03.560 --> 01:41:08.520 learning to listen with a great degree of skepticism is 1453 01:41:08.520 --> 01:41:12.880 the beginning of a Gnostic approach to the information, because 1454 01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:16.640 information and knowledge are not the same thing, and it 1455 01:41:17.479 --> 01:41:23.000 has been abused and cold knowledge. I could take any 1456 01:41:23.039 --> 01:41:26.520 statistic and make it read anything you want me to 1457 01:41:26.640 --> 01:41:27.479 derive out of it. 1458 01:41:30.399 --> 01:41:32.840 Amen, or whatever you guys say in the Gnostic church. 1459 01:41:32.840 --> 01:41:33.199 I love that. 1460 01:41:34.159 --> 01:41:38.319 Yeah, say that again. 1461 01:41:38.800 --> 01:41:41.760 What do you guys say, happened? 1462 01:41:42.760 --> 01:41:44.800 What do we got? What do we say in the 1463 01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:45.640 Gnostic church? 1464 01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:46.239 Yeah? 1465 01:41:46.279 --> 01:41:52.640 When you pray, oh Gnostic prayer. I did write an 1466 01:41:52.720 --> 01:41:58.479 article on that, because you're not praying to any external thing, right, 1467 01:41:59.159 --> 01:42:05.079 So really, what it is is a rumination. We might 1468 01:42:05.159 --> 01:42:08.880 start with a line of holy writ I am the heart, 1469 01:42:08.920 --> 01:42:11.800 and this snake is entwined about the invisible core of 1470 01:42:11.840 --> 01:42:14.840 the mind. Rise, oh, my snake, it is now is 1471 01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:18.680 the hour of the Hoodeden, holy ineffable flower, Rise on 1472 01:42:18.840 --> 01:42:21.239 my steak into brilliance of bloom on the corpse of 1473 01:42:21.279 --> 01:42:25.680 asiris afloat in my tomb. I'm gonna start forgetting after that. 1474 01:42:25.920 --> 01:42:29.479 But I might take that first verse of liber sixty 1475 01:42:29.520 --> 01:42:32.399 five five and start to ruminate on it. What's that saying? 1476 01:42:32.680 --> 01:42:35.439 What I am the heart? Is that mean we're talking 1477 01:42:35.479 --> 01:42:39.000 about my Holy Guardian Angel? You know? And I might 1478 01:42:39.039 --> 01:42:40.920 start to go that way or am I compare it 1479 01:42:41.279 --> 01:42:44.600 to some other you know, holy writ somewhere else that 1480 01:42:44.600 --> 01:42:47.760 that you know, obekly references. 1481 01:42:48.399 --> 01:42:49.640 That sounds really orfic. 1482 01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:52.039 That sounds really. 1483 01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:56.000 Orphic, like you've got the whole rock constructured out and 1484 01:42:56.319 --> 01:42:59.199 you're using it kind of hexameter. I mean you could 1485 01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:03.039 apply hexam to it. That's that's great poetry right there, 1486 01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:03.279 you know. 1487 01:43:04.119 --> 01:43:10.319 Yeah, and as sacred writ that poetry comes alive in you. 1488 01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:12.560 You know, we tell people when you memorize one of 1489 01:43:12.560 --> 01:43:16.199 those five chapters, you know you're really having your first 1490 01:43:16.239 --> 01:43:19.159 experience with your Holy Guardian Angel, even though you're not 1491 01:43:19.279 --> 01:43:24.039 aware of it. And it goes on from there. 1492 01:43:25.079 --> 01:43:28.199 I was going to say, the sibling Prophecy spoke in 1493 01:43:28.239 --> 01:43:28.880 the hexameter. 1494 01:43:31.239 --> 01:43:37.119 Yeah, it wasn't a h an actual you know, uh 1495 01:43:37.359 --> 01:43:39.279 prophecy unless it was in hexameter. 1496 01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:46.239 Right, that's how they checked it, X being the sacred 1497 01:43:46.319 --> 01:43:50.800 number six from which we weave a spelled the hex 1498 01:43:51.239 --> 01:43:54.520 checks and yeah, it's that old blue song I put 1499 01:43:54.640 --> 01:43:59.960 hex on you. 1500 01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:03.039 I actually heard something about the hecks that was really 1501 01:44:03.159 --> 01:44:07.079 kind of interesting. This guy Museum of Taro was talking 1502 01:44:07.119 --> 01:44:10.560 about the Flower of life, and the flower of life 1503 01:44:10.600 --> 01:44:13.920 came from a nineteen seventies guru guy who didn't know 1504 01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:15.960 what the hell he was looking at, and so he 1505 01:44:16.039 --> 01:44:19.079 saw this little glyph on the side of a tomb 1506 01:44:19.199 --> 01:44:22.840 in Egypt. It was kind of the flower of life shaping. 1507 01:44:23.199 --> 01:44:26.119 This is the most holy shape there is, and they 1508 01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:29.479 formed this whole geometry out of the flower of life 1509 01:44:29.640 --> 01:44:34.039 that really was at present in the original sketch. Well, 1510 01:44:34.079 --> 01:44:36.479 this guy went back and looked at the original data 1511 01:44:36.600 --> 01:44:39.399 and what that was was a heck sign. It was 1512 01:44:39.439 --> 01:44:43.039 a Christian putting a curse on the Egyptian gods. 1513 01:44:43.880 --> 01:44:46.960 And flower of life was according. 1514 01:44:46.560 --> 01:44:50.239 To the archaeologists that were reading it out. So it 1515 01:44:50.319 --> 01:44:53.239 was kind of interesting because if you look at DNA structure, 1516 01:44:54.039 --> 01:44:58.119 it looks exactly like that flower of life. So yeah, 1517 01:44:58.359 --> 01:45:01.920 under the electron microscope, right, that's the depression you get 1518 01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:05.600 from it. Well, if Jesus is the son of Man 1519 01:45:05.880 --> 01:45:08.039 and this hex sign goes all the way up through 1520 01:45:08.119 --> 01:45:12.000 the amesh why they could actually have a connection to 1521 01:45:12.039 --> 01:45:14.680 that original Like Christian magic. 1522 01:45:15.159 --> 01:45:18.119 You've got to realize the original Christian symbol was an 1523 01:45:18.319 --> 01:45:23.760 x a key right or kai. Right, So you know 1524 01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:28.359 the Cairo was you know, the letter R, which would 1525 01:45:28.399 --> 01:45:31.279 be look like a P and and you know, and 1526 01:45:31.319 --> 01:45:35.600 the kai and and in this sign in Siga, you know, 1527 01:45:35.640 --> 01:45:43.079 in so the Cairo, the pope holds up a stick 1528 01:45:43.199 --> 01:45:46.680 with an across with an X on it because that's 1529 01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:52.880 the Cairo. Okay. So the symbols are deep and come 1530 01:45:52.960 --> 01:45:57.520 out of Greco Roman tradition. You know, the Catholic Church, 1531 01:45:58.399 --> 01:46:01.239 you know, really said out in a certain sense, to 1532 01:46:01.279 --> 01:46:05.960 do something good, to grow. Christianity was sweeping the land. 1533 01:46:06.319 --> 01:46:12.159 And while these religions are terribly dead and misunderstood today, 1534 01:46:12.319 --> 01:46:16.199 we do need a new religion. We need something new 1535 01:46:16.239 --> 01:46:19.079 in our culture. I think the Holy Books is Salima 1536 01:46:19.119 --> 01:46:22.840 will offer that. They offer new symbols, They offer a 1537 01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:27.159 fresh start. And I think that's what makes the Islema 1538 01:46:27.239 --> 01:46:32.199 Kabbalah real magic. I think there's. 1539 01:46:33.840 --> 01:46:36.279 There's so much good, there's. 1540 01:46:36.119 --> 01:46:38.119 So much deep meaning you can get out of the 1541 01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:41.279 Greek stories themselves. And then once you start to apply 1542 01:46:41.359 --> 01:46:45.560 that to the Greek language, right, and the understanding between 1543 01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:47.880 the two is like a mind expanding experience. 1544 01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:52.079 Well, every language has its mystical connection when you can 1545 01:46:52.119 --> 01:46:55.720 speak it, so yes, with the Greece and as such 1546 01:46:55.720 --> 01:46:59.800 a learned culture, right, and of course the Holy Books 1547 01:46:59.840 --> 01:47:06.520 is Lima are written in English and it's the American language. Okay, 1548 01:47:06.560 --> 01:47:09.479 I think Crowley would have tried to argue for the British. 1549 01:47:09.520 --> 01:47:14.560 But I really believe that America is the third temple. 1550 01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:24.279 And that's my own speculation, right, But it all makes sense. 1551 01:47:25.560 --> 01:47:28.960 The Book of the Law makes sense for American culture. 1552 01:47:29.279 --> 01:47:33.920 British culture kind of died when we became the world's 1553 01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:38.680 currency in nineteen fifty. The British Empire finally just died. 1554 01:47:40.479 --> 01:47:43.560 And while they pretend to empire yet that's great, there's 1555 01:47:43.600 --> 01:47:48.640 still very there's still a large about Great Britain. But 1556 01:47:49.880 --> 01:47:55.560 without America, they're very tiny. Yeah, we are huge, we 1557 01:47:55.640 --> 01:47:58.439 are Rome, we are Egypt. And those were the first 1558 01:47:58.479 --> 01:47:59.199 two temples. 1559 01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:07.640 Like have you ever read America instany by Man? 1560 01:48:08.000 --> 01:48:11.960 I've not read that particular tracked by him. I didn't 1561 01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:15.199 even really know it existed, but it sure fits in 1562 01:48:15.239 --> 01:48:17.920 with ross Crucian themes because there's that one I just 1563 01:48:18.199 --> 01:48:20.840 I tink a video on it that you know, the 1564 01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:25.439 utopia that came out with the Ross Crucians, and some 1565 01:48:25.600 --> 01:48:28.720 claim was really what they were trying to do with 1566 01:48:28.800 --> 01:48:33.000 the Masons here in America because Franklin was connected with 1567 01:48:33.039 --> 01:48:38.439 the American Masons and the French Roscrucians. Are you talking 1568 01:48:38.479 --> 01:48:40.359 about the stars. 1569 01:48:41.840 --> 01:48:42.720 The sixty eighth. 1570 01:48:42.640 --> 01:48:45.640 Convocation by the Rosa Crucians in Pennsylvania. 1571 01:48:47.439 --> 01:48:48.520 I don't know anything of that. 1572 01:48:49.199 --> 01:48:52.640 They picked out the American seal, you know, the pyramid 1573 01:48:52.680 --> 01:48:54.279 with the eye on it. They picked that out in 1574 01:48:54.359 --> 01:48:58.840 nineteen sixteen and it was later adopted in two That 1575 01:48:59.039 --> 01:49:01.720 was there, that book, The Fact and. 1576 01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:05.720 Of the Renaissance. They were reading Greek for the first time, 1577 01:49:05.800 --> 01:49:09.319 all these documents that belonged to the Arab world that 1578 01:49:09.439 --> 01:49:14.720 got translated back into Latin into their tongues. Yeah, so 1579 01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:20.840 we lost a lot with the rise of modern science 1580 01:49:21.159 --> 01:49:31.119 and the establishment of the Roman cleric world. And you'll 1581 01:49:31.159 --> 01:49:35.560 notice that as the Renaissance comes, the clerics, the Roman 1582 01:49:35.640 --> 01:49:41.399 Church lost power and we became a more secular culture. Well, 1583 01:49:41.479 --> 01:49:45.840 the opposite happened in Arabia, where their culture was much 1584 01:49:45.840 --> 01:49:48.960 more enlightened than the European culture. But the clerics rose 1585 01:49:49.479 --> 01:49:51.479 and the knowledge index went down. 1586 01:49:52.800 --> 01:50:01.520 Okay, and so we see the way power regulates itself. 1587 01:50:03.520 --> 01:50:10.760 We see the modus operandi of power and what happens 1588 01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:16.920 when that power goes unchecked. You know, the secularism in 1589 01:50:16.960 --> 01:50:25.439 our culture checked clerical culture, and the clerical culture is 1590 01:50:25.560 --> 01:50:29.199 checking the secular culture in the Middle East. 1591 01:50:31.119 --> 01:50:37.439 Right. That's not to say we don't have all sorts 1592 01:50:37.439 --> 01:50:42.399 of streams of religiosity and spirituality in our culture. America's 1593 01:50:42.479 --> 01:50:45.000 rife with it. There's a yoga center right down the street, 1594 01:50:45.079 --> 01:50:46.239 just make a point. 1595 01:50:47.479 --> 01:50:51.560 I believe that American folk magic was probably one of 1596 01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:55.279 the dominant religions until about eighteen fifty. That's a long 1597 01:50:55.359 --> 01:50:58.279 time for American folk magic to exist as sort of 1598 01:50:58.319 --> 01:50:59.760 like an open practice. 1599 01:51:00.520 --> 01:51:03.319 Well, you know, you haven't been to a Pentecostal session then, 1600 01:51:03.359 --> 01:51:05.960 I guess that's what it became. 1601 01:51:06.479 --> 01:51:10.000 But it was it was far more local and practiced 1602 01:51:10.039 --> 01:51:12.359 on that level before as. 1603 01:51:12.159 --> 01:51:15.119 It has been a folk magic. It was always considered 1604 01:51:15.159 --> 01:51:18.159 an an ignorant magic. It was a magic of the 1605 01:51:18.239 --> 01:51:21.359 uneducated people. You know, pagan means folk. 1606 01:51:22.399 --> 01:51:23.279 Close to the land. 1607 01:51:24.119 --> 01:51:27.800 Yeah, so you got an uneducated people very close to 1608 01:51:27.840 --> 01:51:31.319 the land, and I'm sure there was you know, lots 1609 01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:34.079 that they were able to do and and lots that 1610 01:51:34.119 --> 01:51:41.479 they learned, but don't conflate that with high matter. Don't 1611 01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:45.880 complate that with the magic that belongs to the intelligentsia 1612 01:51:45.960 --> 01:51:47.079 in the educated world. 1613 01:51:49.399 --> 01:51:52.520 I wanted to mention actually in regards to magic, uh, 1614 01:51:53.000 --> 01:51:58.520 and what you mentioned earlier about hex and six and 1615 01:51:58.800 --> 01:52:02.439 sex even in this in there too, right phonetically they're 1616 01:52:02.479 --> 01:52:07.840 not just by chance similar, right, and it goes back 1617 01:52:07.920 --> 01:52:14.560 to maybe one stream anyway, heca a god in Egypt 1618 01:52:14.680 --> 01:52:20.960 of magic, and right next to that is the measurement 1619 01:52:21.159 --> 01:52:28.880 system of Egypt, which has us he gets in sixty fourths, right, 1620 01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:32.760 and that's related to the Eye of Osiris and what 1621 01:52:32.840 --> 01:52:36.600 we would say the evil eye because of its connotation 1622 01:52:37.039 --> 01:52:39.640 of magic power. 1623 01:52:39.760 --> 01:52:42.319 No, so I just won't mention that. You know, all 1624 01:52:42.359 --> 01:52:44.680 the origin stories of the world had a god and 1625 01:52:44.680 --> 01:52:49.000 the goddess, right, and God and the goddess made it, 1626 01:52:49.079 --> 01:52:53.319 and you know baby gods demigods were born right, and 1627 01:52:53.600 --> 01:52:57.399 and you keep sitting down until you get to man. Right. Now, 1628 01:52:57.560 --> 01:53:02.119 there's some stories like Taw in Egypt, Well, he just 1629 01:53:02.159 --> 01:53:10.199 masturbated and that created all the worlds. And probably that's 1630 01:53:10.640 --> 01:53:15.399 probably why Judaism became very patriarchal. You know, because they 1631 01:53:15.439 --> 01:53:23.159 really borrowed heavily from Egyptian culture, but in the male 1632 01:53:23.239 --> 01:53:26.319 and female pair that gets hidden in the cabalo because 1633 01:53:26.600 --> 01:53:32.399 they had to switch from a dualistic philosophy to a 1634 01:53:32.399 --> 01:53:36.600 monotheistic philosophy, and so he had to hide. 1635 01:53:38.479 --> 01:53:40.199 Have you ever heard of the hydros gamos? 1636 01:53:42.079 --> 01:53:44.119 Yeah, I'm familiar with the Latin phrase. 1637 01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:49.880 No, this is a it's a Greek phrase that means holy, sacred, 1638 01:53:50.359 --> 01:53:56.239 and it implies sex between a god and a goddess. 1639 01:53:56.039 --> 01:54:02.119 I've not heard, but that certainly makes sense, right, because 1640 01:54:02.800 --> 01:54:07.800 it's it's the generation of life, right, that's in. 1641 01:54:08.960 --> 01:54:12.439 Power the very first god and goddess in the Greek 1642 01:54:12.520 --> 01:54:18.720 myths Wash and Gaya, and so these two the meeting 1643 01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:21.960 between the earth and the skies where everything is happening, 1644 01:54:22.319 --> 01:54:24.960 and that's that's the birth of the gods. All of 1645 01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:27.479 the Titans come from them, and then later the Olympians. 1646 01:54:27.479 --> 01:54:29.479 But the whole idea there is. 1647 01:54:30.079 --> 01:54:33.399 What happens, what happens to him is another problem. You know, 1648 01:54:33.439 --> 01:54:35.319 We're back to the separation. 1649 01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:40.479 It's chaos and order, separation and union like these are 1650 01:54:40.520 --> 01:54:44.520 the main themes of all of the theogony, and having 1651 01:54:44.560 --> 01:54:47.000 those as the core of it really does change once 1652 01:54:47.039 --> 01:54:50.800 you start to understand that penetrated all their language. So 1653 01:54:51.079 --> 01:54:54.159 death and the god of death were the same word, 1654 01:54:54.199 --> 01:54:56.479 you know, so everything was put into the context of 1655 01:54:56.479 --> 01:55:00.119 the gods in the in the Greek language. 1656 01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:04.600 Thing I've noticed in cosmology and theology too, as we're 1657 01:55:04.640 --> 01:55:09.760 discussing but may not be kind of formulating it this way, 1658 01:55:09.920 --> 01:55:14.600 is that there is practically always the male and the female, 1659 01:55:15.199 --> 01:55:19.199 and the truth and the chaos, or God and its detractor. 1660 01:55:19.560 --> 01:55:24.000 There's these two pairings quite frequently, if not always, you 1661 01:55:24.079 --> 01:55:26.319 dare say, always the fire and the water. 1662 01:55:27.399 --> 01:55:29.920 We're listing that in our current language, you know, we 1663 01:55:29.960 --> 01:55:32.520 don't have that sort of context. Instead, it's all based 1664 01:55:32.560 --> 01:55:35.720 around Jesus. And it's like, how is that life affirming? 1665 01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:37.640 You've got a guy up on a cross all the time. 1666 01:55:37.720 --> 01:55:39.680 That's like in affront is zone y. 1667 01:55:41.439 --> 01:55:47.199 It's all he does is die, judges dead. Yeah, And 1668 01:55:47.359 --> 01:55:50.640 if you're a good boy and girl, you'll get to 1669 01:55:50.680 --> 01:55:53.520 go there and see you one day, right, you know, 1670 01:55:53.800 --> 01:55:55.840 a little bit of luck, you'll be at the bard hell, 1671 01:55:56.319 --> 01:55:59.239 you know, because it's got to be boring up there, 1672 01:56:03.640 --> 01:56:07.079 so above the abyss in the highest world of the 1673 01:56:07.159 --> 01:56:13.079 Kabala is the looks, the LVX, the light, the divine. 1674 01:56:14.039 --> 01:56:19.039 It emanates down into tiffraith, the heart. The soul becomes 1675 01:56:19.039 --> 01:56:23.319 the Adam Cadman, who in Hebrew Kabala secretly hides the Shakina. 1676 01:56:24.279 --> 01:56:28.039 But we can assert that the Adam Cadman is what 1677 01:56:28.119 --> 01:56:31.119 is it when you're both sexist at the same time. 1678 01:56:31.159 --> 01:56:40.239 And divine hermaphrodite yeahite, so that its reflection in manifestation 1679 01:56:40.399 --> 01:56:43.600 in the world gives us both male and female. 1680 01:56:43.880 --> 01:56:49.960 Okay, the Shakino or spirit of God becomes Babylon, the 1681 01:56:50.439 --> 01:56:56.960 sexual goddess that allures us to creativity. Now in the Zohar, 1682 01:56:57.479 --> 01:57:02.760 she's rejected. That's the only way for Joseph I Forgot's 1683 01:57:02.840 --> 01:57:08.720 name to make good with God, and this is them 1684 01:57:08.800 --> 01:57:15.760 moving towards their patriarchal culture. But in Thilema, that goddess, 1685 01:57:15.840 --> 01:57:22.119 bedecked with her jewels and all her allures, is arousing 1686 01:57:22.159 --> 01:57:29.399 them male to create life. So you get the union 1687 01:57:29.439 --> 01:57:32.680 of the God and the goddess. Now in Tantra and 1688 01:57:32.800 --> 01:57:37.119 Western Tantra that can create more than physical babies. There's 1689 01:57:37.159 --> 01:57:40.680 a whole process of ideas of what that could possibly generate. 1690 01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:45.159 There's theories on it, whatever else. I think for a 1691 01:57:45.199 --> 01:57:51.840 young couple that is disciplined, I think it can help 1692 01:57:51.880 --> 01:58:00.600 them define a unique spiritual height. There's great danger opening 1693 01:58:00.640 --> 01:58:04.560 that much energy for somebody really not prepared for it. 1694 01:58:05.600 --> 01:58:09.760 And I think by the time most people uh really 1695 01:58:09.800 --> 01:58:11.920 figure it all out, they're too old to do much 1696 01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:22.520 about it. So we've got to understand that our world 1697 01:58:22.960 --> 01:58:29.279 is a representation of the Bayoun God, the light, the looks, 1698 01:58:30.560 --> 01:58:34.800 and we are each male and female part of that 1699 01:58:34.880 --> 01:58:40.560 Bayjun God, so that when we find that sacred conjugation, 1700 01:58:42.720 --> 01:58:48.359 we find something quite divine. The I think I think 1701 01:58:48.399 --> 01:58:53.720 of the power couple, you know, the power couple. They're 1702 01:58:53.760 --> 01:58:56.279 going into politics and they're both going to be politicians 1703 01:58:56.359 --> 01:58:59.640 or the ones going to support the other, or or 1704 01:58:59.680 --> 01:59:04.000 they're going into business or they're establishing a church. Right, 1705 01:59:04.560 --> 01:59:07.039 they're all going to get you know, people for Jesus, 1706 01:59:07.119 --> 01:59:10.880 but they're going to make a million dollars and whatever 1707 01:59:10.920 --> 01:59:12.920 that power you know, good bad are and different. Whatever 1708 01:59:12.960 --> 01:59:16.880 that power couples after, I think that form of sexual 1709 01:59:16.880 --> 01:59:21.920 magic can be very, very valuable. Like I was saying before, 1710 01:59:21.960 --> 01:59:27.960 when that translates to you know, outside of a committee couple, 1711 01:59:28.319 --> 01:59:31.079 you run into danger because you better be working entirely 1712 01:59:31.159 --> 01:59:34.520 with adepts who all know why they're there, and they're 1713 01:59:34.560 --> 01:59:37.319 disciplined already for wanting to be there. 1714 01:59:38.079 --> 01:59:40.680 Well, there is a theory that the Greeks were high 1715 01:59:40.760 --> 01:59:44.479 on sex drugs all the time, like twenty four hours 1716 01:59:44.479 --> 01:59:47.199 a day they were. They were dosing themselves. 1717 01:59:46.800 --> 01:59:51.039 With sex drugs. Yeah, and they kill people like crazy, 1718 01:59:51.079 --> 01:59:52.560 But I ain't going to kill anybody. 1719 01:59:53.520 --> 01:59:59.439 Well, Like I was talking about the world, the ancient world, 1720 01:59:59.439 --> 02:00:02.800 and the ref instance back to that that you know, 1721 02:00:02.960 --> 02:00:06.319 seem to validate and affirm a position. 1722 02:00:06.000 --> 02:00:07.079 That we might have. 1723 02:00:08.560 --> 02:00:11.159 Is more an abuse of Greek culture than it is 1724 02:00:14.520 --> 02:00:18.039 really really important, because the ancient world is something we 1725 02:00:18.279 --> 02:00:21.119 don't have that mindset, We don't understand it. It's why 1726 02:00:21.159 --> 02:00:23.199 I'm into Western magic because even though we have a 1727 02:00:23.199 --> 02:00:28.079 lot of Indian influence in this country, I wasn't born 1728 02:00:28.119 --> 02:00:32.079 and raised to Hindu. I don't know anything of that culture. 1729 02:00:32.920 --> 02:00:37.880 I couldn't give up Jesus for Krishna. I tried. I 1730 02:00:37.880 --> 02:00:40.199 was a teenager, you know, so I wasn't very disciplined, 1731 02:00:41.039 --> 02:00:46.960 but I tried. And so we have to find our 1732 02:00:47.000 --> 02:00:52.239 way through where we are. And this general trend of 1733 02:00:53.800 --> 02:00:57.680 on the internet that is creating all these things. All 1734 02:00:57.680 --> 02:01:00.960 the Greeks did this, and the Assyrians did that, you know, 1735 02:01:02.680 --> 02:01:04.840 you know, whatever group did this or that, and the 1736 02:01:04.880 --> 02:01:07.680 Mayans had a calendar, and we're all going to die 1737 02:01:07.720 --> 02:01:11.680 in twenty twenty, you know. It's just like we're all 1738 02:01:11.720 --> 02:01:14.800 going to die when nineteen ninety nine became two thousand, 1739 02:01:16.079 --> 02:01:17.760 you know, and then you know what's to do. The 1740 02:01:18.399 --> 02:01:21.159 Seventh day Adventists keep going up every year in the mountain. 1741 02:01:21.159 --> 02:01:24.600 The Bible says, it's today, Oop, it's wrong, let's go 1742 02:01:24.680 --> 02:01:26.119 back and buy back everything we owned. 1743 02:01:26.680 --> 02:01:28.840 Well, I think it's interesting that you've got the story 1744 02:01:28.880 --> 02:01:31.760 of Adam and Eve being centered around their nakedness, you know, 1745 02:01:31.840 --> 02:01:35.199 because that was like one of the hallmarks of Greek art, 1746 02:01:35.520 --> 02:01:39.039 that you had these nudes everywhere. Well, the issue is 1747 02:01:39.319 --> 02:01:43.199 a problem with it, right, Well, somebody did and they 1748 02:01:43.239 --> 02:01:46.319 basically turned the first sin into being naked. 1749 02:01:46.880 --> 02:01:48.960 It's almost perfectly out the Greek. 1750 02:01:53.239 --> 02:01:58.279 Yeah, I don't think it was that they turned nakedness 1751 02:01:58.279 --> 02:02:00.800 into a sin. Is that they had become aware that 1752 02:02:00.880 --> 02:02:04.880 they were in the knowledge. The taking of the fruit 1753 02:02:05.520 --> 02:02:08.720 was making them aware of their nakedness. And I think 1754 02:02:08.800 --> 02:02:11.800 it was the moment in which they severed their tie 1755 02:02:11.880 --> 02:02:14.159 to the natural world, the world that. 1756 02:02:14.319 --> 02:02:19.000 Also brought shame to our sexuality exactly exactly, and still 1757 02:02:19.439 --> 02:02:21.720 struggling to get out of it, you know. And men, 1758 02:02:21.800 --> 02:02:24.279 but they don't know it because men can go fuck 1759 02:02:24.359 --> 02:02:26.680 everything they want. And the woman, you know, if she 1760 02:02:26.760 --> 02:02:29.319 fucks everything she wants, she's a whore. You know, it's 1761 02:02:29.359 --> 02:02:34.319 the end of fucking for her. Okay. So we have 1762 02:02:34.520 --> 02:02:41.439 this incredible urge for sex that is a major human 1763 02:02:41.600 --> 02:02:46.319 drive in the psyche, especially in the younger person, and 1764 02:02:46.560 --> 02:02:50.399 in the younger person especially it's hyper you know what 1765 02:02:50.479 --> 02:02:53.960 I'm saying. You know, sex is only good at five 1766 02:02:54.039 --> 02:02:56.840 times a day, you know, which would be a hor 1767 02:02:57.000 --> 02:03:00.720 story for me, okay, no matter or what I dream 1768 02:03:00.760 --> 02:03:10.399 of in the locker room. So the Hebrews were putting 1769 02:03:10.560 --> 02:03:15.439 shame on sex. They you know, mutilated the male penis 1770 02:03:15.479 --> 02:03:20.399 for the same reason the shame of nakedness was taught. 1771 02:03:20.720 --> 02:03:25.640 It was not natural. But we can say this, our 1772 02:03:25.800 --> 02:03:34.600 nakedness is a backwardness. It's an uncivilized state. In reality, 1773 02:03:35.039 --> 02:03:37.079 we're not dogs. We don't walk down the street and say, oh, 1774 02:03:37.079 --> 02:03:39.119 I think you're a cute, Come on, let's fuck, you know, 1775 02:03:39.199 --> 02:03:43.560 and do it on the sidewalk, but a dog will, okay. 1776 02:03:43.640 --> 02:03:47.039 So we were trying to evolve out of our animal structure. 1777 02:03:47.119 --> 02:03:50.479 The ancient world, nakedness was you know, especially in hot climates. 1778 02:03:50.520 --> 02:03:52.399 You know what I'm saying. You know, you know the 1779 02:03:52.439 --> 02:03:58.399 wine cloth was too hot, right, So, and men fought naked, 1780 02:03:58.479 --> 02:04:06.279 they fought battles, you know, So there was not the 1781 02:04:06.399 --> 02:04:12.520 sexual taboo. We're stuck with the sexual taboo, okay, and 1782 02:04:12.680 --> 02:04:16.079 that hurts both sides. It has both sides accusing each 1783 02:04:16.079 --> 02:04:18.760 other all sorts of ship in our world today, and 1784 02:04:18.840 --> 02:04:21.479 the ones that are sucking their brains out, they think 1785 02:04:21.520 --> 02:04:24.920 they're around the sexual taboo, but they're not. They're just 1786 02:04:25.560 --> 02:04:27.960 engaging that much deeper. Right. 1787 02:04:28.039 --> 02:04:30.640 Well, I mean it goes back to fertility rituals, because 1788 02:04:30.680 --> 02:04:34.600 they had massive fertility rituals that were basically just public fucking, 1789 02:04:35.279 --> 02:04:37.520 you know. I mean that was something that was very 1790 02:04:37.560 --> 02:04:38.520 homework to the Greek. 1791 02:04:39.199 --> 02:04:39.479 We did. 1792 02:04:40.880 --> 02:04:44.079 You've got the was you know, orgy was part of 1793 02:04:44.159 --> 02:04:48.439 certain sacred rights, right you know, remember you did have 1794 02:04:48.560 --> 02:04:54.279 the you didn't have the scarlet woman, the temple WHRs, 1795 02:04:54.920 --> 02:04:59.319 and these were elevated women of high respect, you know, 1796 02:04:59.399 --> 02:05:02.600 in a color sure that we cannot understand because we 1797 02:05:02.640 --> 02:05:06.399 are victims of the sexual taboo, right, you know what 1798 02:05:06.439 --> 02:05:10.760 I'm saying. It's good today that we can at least 1799 02:05:10.880 --> 02:05:13.199 begin to talk about it. But again there's those ten 1800 02:05:13.239 --> 02:05:16.960 thousand voices that got nothing good to say, so it's 1801 02:05:17.000 --> 02:05:18.560 going to be tough time getting through it. Yet. 1802 02:05:19.720 --> 02:05:22.039 Well, I just think it's interesting that the difference in 1803 02:05:22.159 --> 02:05:25.960 perspective because you could really see it playing out in 1804 02:05:26.119 --> 02:05:30.720 first the second century AD and BC, like all this 1805 02:05:31.239 --> 02:05:34.119 public sex and fertility self really started to come up 1806 02:05:34.159 --> 02:05:39.000 against other pressures in that kind of world, especially always 1807 02:05:39.079 --> 02:05:40.239 growing right. 1808 02:05:41.359 --> 02:05:48.239 It was growing right, so as we grew into full Christendom, 1809 02:05:48.239 --> 02:05:52.880 and that would still take another seven hundred years, that 1810 02:05:53.000 --> 02:05:59.159 taboo developed into the moreras of its time. And so 1811 02:05:59.560 --> 02:06:02.640 you know, the bride walks down the aisle in a 1812 02:06:02.680 --> 02:06:08.039 white outfit because she's never been touched, and the groom 1813 02:06:08.079 --> 02:06:09.840 can be in black, goes, who the fuck cares how 1814 02:06:09.880 --> 02:06:12.239 many people he fucked, But she's got to come pure 1815 02:06:12.279 --> 02:06:15.479 and virginal, and we can prove whether or not she's 1816 02:06:15.520 --> 02:06:17.920 a virgin. We can't do the same for the guy. 1817 02:06:19.520 --> 02:06:24.560 So we built this two tiered society where the taboo 1818 02:06:26.159 --> 02:06:30.680 holds itself to both sides. You know, the guy that is, 1819 02:06:30.840 --> 02:06:33.600 you know, fortunate enough to be, you know, a whore, 1820 02:06:36.079 --> 02:06:42.640 he loses his respect for his whole feminine half. I 1821 02:06:42.720 --> 02:06:47.520 think the women that truly remain chased with with respect 1822 02:06:47.560 --> 02:06:52.079 for their whole masculine half. And so we're all dying 1823 02:06:52.199 --> 02:06:54.720 in this culture and trying to find our way through it. 1824 02:06:54.800 --> 02:06:58.119 Some are going to evade sexual issue altogether. I'm going 1825 02:06:58.199 --> 02:07:05.319 to become a monk, right. Some are going to find 1826 02:07:05.439 --> 02:07:08.239 how wack a doodle they can get with their sexuality 1827 02:07:08.279 --> 02:07:10.000 until they end up in the night club, so that 1828 02:07:10.159 --> 02:07:11.920 open up at two o'clock in the morning when the 1829 02:07:12.000 --> 02:07:13.079 bars are shutting down. 1830 02:07:14.840 --> 02:07:18.880 Okay, Well, I think it's funny how cultures that sort 1831 02:07:18.880 --> 02:07:22.960 of kept behold of this idea of fertility and went 1832 02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:26.920 into the modern world more than and cultural uh you know, 1833 02:07:27.399 --> 02:07:31.840 shame they still carry around these big giant dicks. Like 1834 02:07:31.960 --> 02:07:36.560 in Japan they have huge penis festivals representative of those 1835 02:07:36.880 --> 02:07:38.840 early fertility rights. 1836 02:07:39.600 --> 02:07:43.680 So yeah, giant penis became a symbol of fertility, right. 1837 02:07:44.800 --> 02:07:49.720 Okay, around there is the pallace of Shiva. 1838 02:07:50.399 --> 02:07:56.199 Yeah, the fact that what's that uh, that shape. I'll 1839 02:07:56.239 --> 02:07:59.640 try to draw it here. Vesca pices, the vesca pices, 1840 02:08:00.279 --> 02:08:05.399 that's the female genitalia, right, and the religious symbol appears 1841 02:08:05.439 --> 02:08:07.079 inside the vesca pieces. 1842 02:08:08.079 --> 02:08:08.279 Right. 1843 02:08:08.479 --> 02:08:14.159 So you put the the, the the the and what's 1844 02:08:14.199 --> 02:08:17.399 the third part of God, the Holy Spirit into a dove, 1845 02:08:17.439 --> 02:08:19.039 and you put it in the vesca piis and he 1846 02:08:19.079 --> 02:08:23.319 becomes a semen that goes into the cup the vagina 1847 02:08:23.439 --> 02:08:28.600 where the semen is nursed and becomes a baby. Now 1848 02:08:28.600 --> 02:08:31.039 it was thought the old world quite incorrectly that you know, 1849 02:08:31.119 --> 02:08:33.479 the semen was already a full baby. So there's old 1850 02:08:33.520 --> 02:08:36.000 couple ofs on how to create a hymunculus. 1851 02:08:37.920 --> 02:08:41.000 Have you ever seen the top view looking down on 1852 02:08:41.039 --> 02:08:42.119 the Washington Monument. 1853 02:08:42.960 --> 02:08:45.600 Oh yeah, I didn't go there myself. I went from 1854 02:08:45.640 --> 02:08:47.399 the bottom and stayed there. 1855 02:08:47.560 --> 02:08:54.800 It's it's the Cyrus's phallus inside of Thes's side of. 1856 02:08:54.720 --> 02:08:57.239 A jed right there. This is right in Washington, se 1857 02:08:57.840 --> 02:09:00.760 those Masons and Rosa Crucians were very where the symbols 1858 02:09:00.760 --> 02:09:03.520 the whole la. Yeah see, I talk about it in 1859 02:09:03.560 --> 02:09:06.399 my that in my book the story Nosis about the 1860 02:09:06.399 --> 02:09:09.720 whole story layout of Washington, d C. I think it's 1861 02:09:09.760 --> 02:09:18.840 really important to understand the mystical roots of the American ideal, right, 1862 02:09:19.560 --> 02:09:26.479 and how it competed with the Calvinistic ideal that came 1863 02:09:26.520 --> 02:09:27.720 here as Puritan. 1864 02:09:28.439 --> 02:09:32.079 Well, and that whole idea, well, that whole idea of 1865 02:09:32.159 --> 02:09:34.439 the obelisk and the vesical pil I mean, you got 1866 02:09:34.479 --> 02:09:39.439 to figure they're they're putting forth symbology to generate a 1867 02:09:39.479 --> 02:09:44.119 new nation. So it's this fertility that they're trying to 1868 02:09:44.159 --> 02:09:48.520 instill as the base of the creation of the nation itself. 1869 02:09:48.920 --> 02:09:54.000 Symbolically, you know, weren't having sex and the Masonic halls, 1870 02:09:54.079 --> 02:09:56.119 you know what I'm saying, if they were, you know, 1871 02:09:56.159 --> 02:09:58.039 there's some people. We got to get to know them better. 1872 02:09:58.039 --> 02:10:01.560 But keep your hands off my shoulders, Paul. 1873 02:10:01.600 --> 02:10:04.119 But I think also that they kind of got it 1874 02:10:04.159 --> 02:10:07.479 a little bit backwards in that the penis itself is 1875 02:10:07.600 --> 02:10:11.600 not a symbol of fertility, but actually the scrotal sack, 1876 02:10:11.720 --> 02:10:16.800 the scrotum, the sperm that is the fertility, the overatting, that's. 1877 02:10:16.640 --> 02:10:21.600 Where the seaman Originated's just if the eggs originate far 1878 02:10:21.720 --> 02:10:23.159 deeper inside the vagina. 1879 02:10:23.880 --> 02:10:24.279 Correct. 1880 02:10:24.319 --> 02:10:28.279 And so if you look at you know, embryology, you 1881 02:10:28.399 --> 02:10:31.960 do see that the labia of a female ends up 1882 02:10:32.000 --> 02:10:36.479 becoming the outer scrotal sack of the testes. So when 1883 02:10:36.479 --> 02:10:39.239 you talk about the besica pisces, you're talking about one 1884 02:10:39.279 --> 02:10:44.640 and the same, just a morphology movement based on your 1885 02:10:44.680 --> 02:10:49.039 genetic you know, archaeology, archaeology, architecture. 1886 02:10:49.520 --> 02:10:53.479 But the other thing, you have an incorrect male perspective. 1887 02:10:54.279 --> 02:10:54.600 Okay. 1888 02:10:54.640 --> 02:10:58.840 But because the male sees the erect penis going in 1889 02:10:59.079 --> 02:11:07.560 through the lavia, and that's his primary concern, Okay. The 1890 02:11:07.640 --> 02:11:12.680 more experienced man wants to figure out how to bring 1891 02:11:12.720 --> 02:11:17.479 the woman to more sexual fulfillment, and so he'll experiment 1892 02:11:17.640 --> 02:11:21.000 more with the glitoraes as long as you don't tell 1893 02:11:21.039 --> 02:11:25.239 him that the guitarist is actually longer than his penis, okay, 1894 02:11:26.439 --> 02:11:34.520 and the female is far more sexually susceptible. She will 1895 02:11:34.560 --> 02:11:39.720 go into an erotic trance. So Crompley used this in 1896 02:11:39.800 --> 02:11:43.560 his magic. He would stimulate the female to an erotic 1897 02:11:43.640 --> 02:11:46.880 trance so that she her personality will step outside of 1898 02:11:46.920 --> 02:11:50.359 her body and the invoked God then will resume the body. 1899 02:11:50.359 --> 02:11:54.079 And that's how the sexual right worked. And that's of 1900 02:11:54.119 --> 02:11:56.640 course they were doing another right which actually creates a baby. 1901 02:11:57.760 --> 02:11:58.399 Different right. 1902 02:11:58.760 --> 02:12:01.319 Now, the glitteri is actually forms the head of the 1903 02:12:01.319 --> 02:12:05.439 penis in embryology, but I'm talking about the labia itself 1904 02:12:05.520 --> 02:12:09.119 forms the outside part of the scrotal sac and in 1905 02:12:09.520 --> 02:12:14.560 like at least with cattle production, we measure the circumference 1906 02:12:14.640 --> 02:12:18.279 of the scrotum of bulls in order to dictate how 1907 02:12:18.399 --> 02:12:21.960 fertile his daughters will become. And so there is that 1908 02:12:22.279 --> 02:12:26.479 type of parallelism across at leads domestic animals that you 1909 02:12:26.680 --> 02:12:31.399 can look at in terms of testes and scrotum and 1910 02:12:31.399 --> 02:12:35.159 all that stuff to indicate fertility, whereas the female the 1911 02:12:35.199 --> 02:12:36.720 fertility is within. 1912 02:12:36.560 --> 02:12:41.239 Saillary fertility and sexual ecstasy are two different. 1913 02:12:41.239 --> 02:12:43.720 Correct correct, but one primes the other. 1914 02:12:44.439 --> 02:12:47.399 The erect penis in the laby are are kind of 1915 02:12:47.399 --> 02:12:54.000 the bosses, okay, because he really doesn't have that much 1916 02:12:54.000 --> 02:12:58.600 control on what's going on inside the vagina. Okay, he can, 1917 02:12:59.039 --> 02:13:02.840 you know, go for the spot, and that's so far 1918 02:13:02.920 --> 02:13:07.039 towards the front that he's still not in foreign territory there. 1919 02:13:07.640 --> 02:13:14.079 So in that ecstatic experience, because this is something that 1920 02:13:14.119 --> 02:13:20.119 gets prolonged, there's a certain insanity that goes to the 1921 02:13:20.119 --> 02:13:26.840 female and the male needs to maintain a control where 1922 02:13:26.880 --> 02:13:30.479 the female needs to earn how to let go, and 1923 02:13:32.239 --> 02:13:35.279 letting go is a danger for her, and losing control 1924 02:13:35.399 --> 02:13:40.560 is kind of a danger for the boat. So when 1925 02:13:40.600 --> 02:13:46.800 you're building up this ecstasy to an inspirational point that 1926 02:13:46.840 --> 02:13:50.840 you're pulling in spirit, that you're moving energy is something 1927 02:13:50.840 --> 02:13:55.840 that's the limmicult to formula of on because the sex 1928 02:13:55.960 --> 02:14:01.840 happens in one separat in the tree, and it happens 1929 02:14:01.840 --> 02:14:03.800 in the path between two cephros on the tree, I 1930 02:14:03.840 --> 02:14:07.279 should say, each being the male and female Sefero, net 1931 02:14:07.359 --> 02:14:12.159 Zac and hud and they travel the tower at two 1932 02:14:12.880 --> 02:14:15.600 and if she receives the energy, she brings it up 1933 02:14:15.600 --> 02:14:19.520 to Tiffret and then he takes it back down and 1934 02:14:19.560 --> 02:14:23.159 they start the circulata, to use an alchemical term, where 1935 02:14:23.159 --> 02:14:25.920 they make the energy go round and around and around, 1936 02:14:26.199 --> 02:14:31.880 and they're playing with the undulating spasms of orgasm, which 1937 02:14:32.439 --> 02:14:36.680 for both is an involuntary action. There is a reason 1938 02:14:36.880 --> 02:14:42.279 why laughter is considered an orgasm. It's an involuntary reaction. 1939 02:14:43.239 --> 02:14:47.079 And some boys do figure out that if she's laughing 1940 02:14:47.119 --> 02:14:51.000 at my jokes, I got a chance for a date, okay, 1941 02:14:51.399 --> 02:14:56.840 because it's it endears us, just the way sex partners 1942 02:14:56.920 --> 02:14:59.520 become endeared to each other. You start hanging out with 1943 02:14:59.560 --> 02:15:03.279 a process, dude, you're really enduring yourself with something you 1944 02:15:03.439 --> 02:15:04.640 might not want to play with. 1945 02:15:05.439 --> 02:15:11.600 Which is all the basis of oxytosin secretion. Of what 1946 02:15:12.560 --> 02:15:19.119 oxytosein secretion. Oxytocin is the primary hormone during orgasm, during lactation, 1947 02:15:19.840 --> 02:15:25.520 during copulation, of bonding, laughter, and so forth, And so 1948 02:15:25.640 --> 02:15:29.319 that is like to have during fertility or during a 1949 02:15:29.680 --> 02:15:34.039 fertile moment or whatever. The heightenedness of orgasm, the heightenness 1950 02:15:34.039 --> 02:15:39.880 of oxytocin actually propels and makes for the fertility effort 1951 02:15:40.439 --> 02:15:46.640 that much more effective, so to speak, because there is thought, 1952 02:15:46.760 --> 02:15:50.880 how in the interaction or the foreplay, or even within conversation, 1953 02:15:51.039 --> 02:15:53.680 and there has not even been any kind of physical touch. 1954 02:15:54.119 --> 02:15:57.319 The female ovary has already sent signals for the sperm 1955 02:15:57.359 --> 02:16:00.720 that she has chosen within his testes, and so when 1956 02:16:00.760 --> 02:16:04.520 the act happens, it is the ovum that has already 1957 02:16:04.560 --> 02:16:08.479 sent the pheromonic chemical signals to that one sperm of 1958 02:16:08.560 --> 02:16:13.079 six hundred thousand to be selected to penetrate her certain pellucida. 1959 02:16:13.399 --> 02:16:18.239 And then obviously you have that chemical reaction of zinc 1960 02:16:18.520 --> 02:16:21.920 ions exploding, and then you have the boom or whatever, 1961 02:16:22.000 --> 02:16:25.399 and then the manifestation or the ability to trap spirit 1962 02:16:25.560 --> 02:16:28.880 into matter, the singularity, which is what CERN is trying 1963 02:16:28.920 --> 02:16:30.239 to replicate all over again. 1964 02:16:31.960 --> 02:16:35.559 Yeah, they're trying. I still think the miracle of the 1965 02:16:35.639 --> 02:16:42.479 human body is stupendous, and I do this to a machine, 1966 02:16:43.120 --> 02:16:50.040 you know. I feel so sorry for young people today 1967 02:16:50.479 --> 02:16:53.280 when they call those guys that have no access to sex. 1968 02:16:53.319 --> 02:17:02.719 They have a name for the the yes, the you know, 1969 02:17:03.000 --> 02:17:04.959 if the guys ain't getting it, the girls ain't getting 1970 02:17:04.959 --> 02:17:05.319 it either. 1971 02:17:06.239 --> 02:17:08.879 And they're all busy online and they're afraid to talk 1972 02:17:08.920 --> 02:17:12.200 to each other. They're all trapped in their phones. Well, 1973 02:17:12.360 --> 02:17:15.959 and it's no wonder they're reaching for a machine, you know. 1974 02:17:16.079 --> 02:17:18.559 I mean even these robots they're building that, right, you 1975 02:17:18.559 --> 02:17:24.399 can go get your sex robot. And the old way 1976 02:17:24.559 --> 02:17:28.319 is still the best way. Hi, how are you drink? 1977 02:17:29.280 --> 02:17:32.040 That's the whole thing. That's the whole thing. Is we 1978 02:17:32.159 --> 02:17:37.000 are the mystery, yes, you know, And when we're looking 1979 02:17:37.079 --> 02:17:41.399 for all these exterior things, you know, we're we're resolving 1980 02:17:41.440 --> 02:17:47.159 ourselves of you know, knowing thyself and seeking the true self. 1981 02:17:49.399 --> 02:17:52.520 Yeah, but the true self is us right in the 1982 02:17:52.520 --> 02:17:56.319 here and now, okay, and my true self will be 1983 02:17:56.559 --> 02:18:00.120 my true self until the day I die whenever, and 1984 02:18:00.200 --> 02:18:05.920 says to that it is speculation. But while I'm still breathing, 1985 02:18:06.040 --> 02:18:08.719 and you know, I've lived more years now than I'm 1986 02:18:08.760 --> 02:18:14.040 gonna let I can count with a reasonable guess how 1987 02:18:14.120 --> 02:18:23.079 much time I got left. And that is that's the 1988 02:18:23.200 --> 02:18:27.239 life to grab. There's a wonderful Hindu story. A man 1989 02:18:27.319 --> 02:18:30.200 falls into a well, but before getting to the bottom, 1990 02:18:30.200 --> 02:18:33.719 he manages to grab a branch and hang on. As 1991 02:18:33.719 --> 02:18:36.159 he looks down, he sees at the bottom of the 1992 02:18:36.159 --> 02:18:40.520 well is a whole bunch of poisonous serpents, and when 1993 02:18:40.520 --> 02:18:43.120 he looks up there's a whole swarm of bees. So 1994 02:18:43.159 --> 02:18:45.520 if he manages to climb out, he'll get stung to death, 1995 02:18:45.559 --> 02:18:49.959 and if he falls, he'll get stung to death. In 1996 02:18:50.200 --> 02:18:52.680 one moment, a drop of honey falls down and he 1997 02:18:52.719 --> 02:18:56.120 reaches out with his other hand and catches the drop 1998 02:18:57.920 --> 02:19:05.079 and tastes that honey. In this moment, you are real 1999 02:19:05.159 --> 02:19:08.959 as I am real, and you are God as I 2000 02:19:09.000 --> 02:19:16.200 am God. Get to this moment and every moment. Get 2001 02:19:16.280 --> 02:19:24.239 to this moment, and you can develop a force of psyche, 2002 02:19:24.760 --> 02:19:28.200 whether you take that into sex, magic or reading holy 2003 02:19:28.280 --> 02:19:32.360 books or both, or whatever. Or into your art and 2004 02:19:32.360 --> 02:19:35.920 your painting and your music playing. It doesn't matter which 2005 02:19:35.959 --> 02:19:39.000 way you go. It's just a matter of my poor dog, 2006 02:19:44.760 --> 02:19:46.520 it's this moment that you're trying to get to, that 2007 02:19:46.600 --> 02:19:52.399 moment of orgasm. We all say, I come, you're coming 2008 02:19:52.440 --> 02:19:55.399 to this moment. I've arrived. That's how I used to 2009 02:19:55.399 --> 02:19:58.600 say it. I've arrived. Now it's or I come. What 2010 02:19:58.639 --> 02:20:01.440 do you want to call them? Did I make you? Please? 2011 02:20:01.520 --> 02:20:03.399 Dear tell me I made you come. Let me know 2012 02:20:03.520 --> 02:20:11.200 that I'm viable. But I'm truly a man. You can 2013 02:20:11.239 --> 02:20:13.680 see that I know all the problems of younger boys. 2014 02:20:15.399 --> 02:20:16.840 Well, you were one of yourself at one point. 2015 02:20:17.559 --> 02:20:20.120 Yeah. And I walked funny when she looked at me too. 2016 02:20:20.200 --> 02:20:21.440 I just forgot how to walk. 2017 02:20:23.319 --> 02:20:26.639 It's just a flesh that gets older. 2018 02:20:28.120 --> 02:20:31.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and then the pipe dreams 2019 02:20:31.079 --> 02:20:36.680 get more realistic, right right. You know. There's a joke 2020 02:20:36.719 --> 02:20:39.319 and a young man comes upon an old man sitting 2021 02:20:39.319 --> 02:20:42.600 on a park bench, and the old man's crying. POCKETI here, 2022 02:20:43.120 --> 02:20:46.760 he says, old man, what's the matter? I married a 2023 02:20:46.799 --> 02:20:50.360 girl forty years younger than me. She cooks like a dream. 2024 02:20:50.559 --> 02:20:54.120 It's the best sex I've had in years. Young man says, well, 2025 02:20:54.200 --> 02:20:57.000 why you're crying? He says, I can't remember where I live. 2026 02:20:59.559 --> 02:21:01.120 That was a lot funnier to me. 2027 02:21:05.280 --> 02:21:09.600 Right, Uh was there? Unfortunately just because dude at the time, 2028 02:21:09.840 --> 02:21:11.879 I had to have to get going. And this shows 2029 02:21:12.000 --> 02:21:15.600 way over two hours. Is there anything else anybody wanted 2030 02:21:15.600 --> 02:21:21.719 to add before we start wrapping this up? Okay, all right, Paul, 2031 02:21:21.760 --> 02:21:23.600 thank you so much. Before we close it, I will 2032 02:21:23.639 --> 02:21:26.319 let the other people plug themselves. Headless, you want to 2033 02:21:26.360 --> 02:21:28.360 let everybody know where they can find you, please, good sir. 2034 02:21:30.360 --> 02:21:35.159 Yeah, find our subreddit. Please wait, hold on, hold on, 2035 02:21:35.319 --> 02:21:35.879 I'll let you go. 2036 02:21:36.639 --> 02:21:40.440 I was asking headless, Yeah, headless, and you're muted by 2037 02:21:42.479 --> 02:21:43.399 one second. 2038 02:21:44.719 --> 02:21:48.319 That. Yeah, So you can find me on Headless Giant 2039 02:21:48.360 --> 02:21:49.840 Podcast on. 2040 02:21:51.159 --> 02:21:51.959 Uh YouTube. 2041 02:21:52.159 --> 02:21:54.360 And if you want to send me an email of 2042 02:21:54.440 --> 02:21:58.719 your occult esoteric magical stories, you can check out. 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Thank you Robbie, Mark and Ethan to go. Let 2055 02:22:34.559 --> 02:22:36.680 everybody know where they can find your writings, please, sir. 2056 02:22:37.600 --> 02:22:41.000 That was awesome. Thank you Paul for presenting that and everyone. 2057 02:22:41.879 --> 02:22:45.520 And I'm on the usual social media and so forth, 2058 02:22:45.600 --> 02:22:48.959 on Amazon and elsewhere. I got a bunch of articles 2059 02:22:48.959 --> 02:22:49.719 out there too. 2060 02:22:49.600 --> 02:22:53.799 So awesome, and I thank you to everybody. I thought 2061 02:22:53.840 --> 02:22:57.360 great questions, wonderful ideas, and you made it fun for me. 2062 02:22:57.719 --> 02:22:59.920 Awesome, good, good and Paul, Now you can let everybody 2063 02:22:59.959 --> 02:23:02.319 know where they can find your stuff, please. I don't know. 2064 02:23:02.559 --> 02:23:05.559 They can find me on Reddit. Look for me on Reddit. 2065 02:23:05.959 --> 02:23:08.799 Our church subreddit Nastick Church of lv X, and I 2066 02:23:08.879 --> 02:23:12.239 started laying look us for us on Facebook. Those are 2067 02:23:12.280 --> 02:23:14.799 places we can interact with me. Find our Nastick Church 2068 02:23:14.840 --> 02:23:18.799 of Light YouTube. Lots of great stuff. I love the 2069 02:23:18.879 --> 02:23:21.120 video I put up today. I just really think it 2070 02:23:21.200 --> 02:23:23.760 has something to say and we talked a bit about it. 2071 02:23:23.840 --> 02:23:26.520 You know. Problem with Plato and Aristotle, so you can 2072 02:23:26.559 --> 02:23:29.639 dig it a little bit deeper. There find my blog 2073 02:23:29.680 --> 02:23:34.000 pulled Joseph Vellido blogspot dot com or or something like that. 2074 02:23:34.040 --> 02:23:37.040 You won't have heart and and you know, you can 2075 02:23:37.600 --> 02:23:39.520 just type my name into the internet and. 2076 02:23:40.000 --> 02:23:43.040 You'll come up. Definitely will show up. Yes, you can 2077 02:23:43.079 --> 02:23:47.079 say something nice and I'll let I'm sure I have 2078 02:23:47.159 --> 02:23:49.680 links from the last time, and I will include those 2079 02:23:49.760 --> 02:23:52.440 as well in the show notes. Again, thank you will 2080 02:23:52.520 --> 02:23:54.840 for coming on. I appreciate it. When we did have one. 2081 02:23:55.719 --> 02:23:57.319 His links are in the bottom. He did have to 2082 02:23:57.399 --> 02:24:00.600 leave early so he couldn't plug himself. So yeah, check 2083 02:24:00.600 --> 02:24:02.520 out his show and I think you guys will get 2084 02:24:02.520 --> 02:24:03.840 something out of it. And again the links are in 2085 02:24:03.879 --> 02:24:07.120 the bottom. And until the next one, everybody be well. 2086 02:24:07.559 --> 02:24:09.399 Later, be well, everybody,