Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
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Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
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Speaker 2: our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on
Speaker 2: a newer entertainment property, And for this week of July
Speaker 2: twenty eighth, we're continuing with The Gilded Age Season three,
Speaker 2: Episode two. What's the Papers Say?
Speaker 1: And I would just plant things in there, like to tell.
Speaker 2: You what the drinks with broads, which is the FuG
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Speaker 2: of these episodes and the sub head for the recap
Speaker 2: of this one is drop dead Charles Fain.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, there were a number of different incidents of
Speaker 1: bad behavior in this. I mean, you can quibble about
Speaker 1: how Bertha is handling her daughter. You can quibble about
Speaker 1: whether Gladys should have ran out of the house in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night. You know, the stuff of
Speaker 1: the Van Ryan house is very tense. There's talk about racism,
Speaker 1: there's Larry and Jack, whatever is going on in there,
Speaker 1: but it all pales in comparison to that bleephole and
Speaker 1: what I mean, bad enough the way he's treating her,
Speaker 1: But then he brings his side piece to her party yep, and.
Speaker 2: Basically says, no, no, this is how it is is
Speaker 2: from now on. So that's why if you have to divorce.
Speaker 1: Me, yes, yes, and just ruin her there in public
Speaker 1: in front of everybody, missus astor running out of there
Speaker 1: like somebody had dropped a turret on the floor. What
Speaker 1: a yeah, yeah, what a jerk?
Speaker 2: Gusting.
Speaker 1: He is awful, He is really awful. And I like
Speaker 1: that that missus Van Ryan said you're no longer my nephew.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, he said something.
Speaker 1: She's broke and disgraced herself. So yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Said something like on Agnes, you'll understand or I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't remember what he said, but she just said, no,
Speaker 2: I am no longer on Agnes to you.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, what a scumback anyway, Yeah, he is. Just
Speaker 1: they've just made him more and more irredeemable with each
Speaker 1: time he comes at.
Speaker 2: Aurora and just try to flick yes and start over.
Speaker 1: Yes, but you know, a good illustration of the folly
Speaker 1: of marrying somebody who is going to do that to you,
Speaker 1: And when you are a young woman, it's hard to
Speaker 1: see that far down the road. But you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know that the Duke is going to be a
Speaker 1: particularly wonderful husband for Gladys. But I think Billy is
Speaker 1: probably well ducked.
Speaker 2: Yes, because he's just too too much of a wus
Speaker 2: he is.
Speaker 1: Indeed, yes, And I don't think he would be able
Speaker 1: to certainly wouldn't be able to protect her from her
Speaker 1: mother and her mother's will, and would also probably just
Speaker 1: once she got over the excitement of it, he would
Speaker 1: be very boring. So there's really not a lot of
Speaker 1: good options for Gladys. No, I regret to say, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think we know where this is going
Speaker 1: for Gladys. Yeah, well, let's see she marries the Duke,
Speaker 1: she goes to English, she meets some of the Bridgerton's
Speaker 1: and they have lots of fun times together. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: probably wrong time.
Speaker 2: They're like fifty sixty years I think behind before behind you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know, maybe there's a time.
Speaker 2: Warm Yes, exactly. Well. In addition to Agnes, you know,
Speaker 2: saying that she's no longer his aunt and hear you know,
Speaker 2: he can't call her that, I also enjoyed the takedown
Speaker 2: of the horrible house maid or housekeeper or whatever at
Speaker 2: at the van Ryns. You know, probably just a lot
Speaker 2: of kind of virtue signaling, but the cook basically the
Speaker 2: cook just told her off and she said Armstrong the
Speaker 2: racest one. They said to Banister, like, are you gonna
Speaker 2: let her talk to me that way? And he just
Speaker 2: said here's that I am or something? Yes, yes you are.
Speaker 2: You bet she deserves it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The whole temperance making the help sign your
Speaker 1: temperance pledge seems unfair.
Speaker 2: Yes, especially when it's like they have a choice, No
Speaker 2: they don't. You know, you're the boss. You pay their
Speaker 2: sal they do have to. And when it's like we
Speaker 2: promise not to drink here but also not to drink anywhere,
Speaker 2: but also to like discourage anyone anywhere at any time.
Speaker 2: I'm ye, and that's a lot, Like that's that's a
Speaker 2: lot to ask of anybody. It is a lot, Yes
Speaker 2: it is, and it's just going to lead to organized crimes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah it's and it is bad. I do.
Speaker 2: But we had John Quincy Adams coming back to save
Speaker 2: the day for for Oscar.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. Yeah, that's right. I forgot that was
Speaker 1: his name. Yeah, but that was a sweet scene.
Speaker 2: But I mean it was just very like, oh, we
Speaker 2: need to fix things for Oscar. How are we going
Speaker 2: to do that? I know, yeah, yeah, good old well,
Speaker 2: good old John Adams, John Adams just to handwave this
Speaker 2: problem away like oh, I'll just tell you that you're
Speaker 2: good at money again, like okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I ruined Oscar. Not that fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean at the time when it happened, he kind
Speaker 1: of had it coming to him. But all right, we're done.
Speaker 1: Can we do something else?
Speaker 2: We need a last minute hail Mary like we got
Speaker 2: with Oh suddenly Ada's rich now.
Speaker 1: Like exactly, yeah, although Ada being rich has turned out
Speaker 1: to not be as much fun as no, So maybe
Speaker 1: Oscar can get some money for his mom. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: like at least buy the servants of bear. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that they did a very good job of like turning
Speaker 1: our joy at Ada being the top dog for a
Speaker 1: change to uh yeah, and how does Aurora get the
Speaker 1: job of deciding who's in charge? I know that that
Speaker 1: seems very odd to me? What business is it of
Speaker 1: a her?
Speaker 2: She happens to be there when the when that sort
Speaker 2: of comes to a head with who's in charge? And
Speaker 2: so she just says, well, my own life is falling apart,
Speaker 2: I can just step in here and do whatever. I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it makes me slightly look sympathetic towards her
Speaker 1: because she's this is not your house, lady. And I
Speaker 1: mean clearly the one paying the bills is the one
Speaker 1: who gets to give the orders, but sort of coldly done.
Speaker 1: Oh well, and uh, Mariann and Larry are sneaking around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, do we feel like Larry's more into
Speaker 2: her than she's into him?
Speaker 1: Or yeah? I don't. I mean I feel like she's
Speaker 1: into him too. I just feel like he is in
Speaker 1: a position where he feels bulletproof, so the hecke you
Speaker 1: don't care what he does, and she is in a
Speaker 1: position where she feels very vulnerable. So which is the
Speaker 1: way Gladys should have been feeling about herself. Instead, she
Speaker 1: felt like she was She was acting like Larry, I
Speaker 1: can do whatever I want. But she ran away to
Speaker 1: Billy's house and then immediately went back. Well, I guess
Speaker 1: Billy's mom says you can't.
Speaker 2: No, Bertha came toget her.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but well she started by said a note
Speaker 1: like first thing in the morning.
Speaker 2: She started by saying, you know, we have to be strong,
Speaker 2: we have to stand together, and then she folded like
Speaker 2: a cheap umbrella as soon as her mother showed up.
Speaker 1: Bertha is very intimidating, even like George kind of folds
Speaker 1: like a cheap umbrella. He folds like a pricey umbrella.
Speaker 1: He folds like a like a very dignified umbrella that
Speaker 1: says I will open up later.
Speaker 2: Yeah in the house.
Speaker 1: This isn't We're not through with this. Don't don't snap
Speaker 1: the bottom. Yeah she is. She is pretty difficult to
Speaker 1: get out of the way of Maybe I liked the
Speaker 1: From a parenting point of view, you know, we often
Speaker 1: say that parents have different roles, Parents take responsibility for
Speaker 1: different things in the family life and that that's one
Speaker 1: way to make everything work, so that you're not constantly
Speaker 1: discussing every single thing, and you know, at length cut exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so George said when something like when do I get
Speaker 1: a say in my daughter's upbringing? And Bertha says, the
Speaker 1: day I'm in your boardroom giving opinions on railroads and
Speaker 1: steel mills. So stand down, buddy. And I think he
Speaker 1: maybe gives it some thought because she might do it.
Speaker 1: You know, she might come in and actually might come
Speaker 1: in to a meeting. She might have better ideas than me. Fine,
Speaker 1: take the girl, do whatever you want. I'll break my promise,
Speaker 1: you know, as as have many smart people. He takes
Speaker 1: the warning. Yes, but you know, somebody has to be
Speaker 1: the person everybody listens to. I guess maybe in more
Speaker 1: modern families we like it to be the unified voice
Speaker 1: of mom and dad. But is it usually even now?
Speaker 1: I don't know. So Billy was scared off by Saint
Speaker 1: George with all his powerful friends, but he should have
Speaker 1: been more scared of proof. Oh well. I liked also
Speaker 1: how Billy's this is a parenting tip. When your child
Speaker 1: has a failure, it's very upsetting and you feel it strongly,
Speaker 1: but find a positive spin. So Billy's mom is like
Speaker 1: their new money. They were just using you to get
Speaker 1: in with them money. Right, It's fine, it's you're lucky
Speaker 1: to be out of that. You know, you got to
Speaker 1: do it. Even if the kid doesn't believe you. Still,
Speaker 1: you got to put a happy face on it. This
Speaker 1: is for the best. I really enjoyed the performance of
Speaker 1: the actress who played Billy's mom, who was just you know,
Speaker 1: in over her quite a lot and slowly realizing it
Speaker 1: and at the end probably saying, thank goodns, I am
Speaker 1: not co in laws with that woman. You know. It's like, boy,
Speaker 1: we dodged a bullet. Here wee Carlton's so but she
Speaker 1: was like and there was a lot of talk of
Speaker 1: you know, Bertha saying that Gladys would have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to set fashions and to do all these things and
Speaker 1: to be extraordinary. And I'm like, that sounds like a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's not you would have done that.
Speaker 1: But it makes me feel like that's a lot of work,
Speaker 1: and that's a lot of responsibility and a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: Maybe she just wants to sit in a nice sunny
Speaker 1: corner and read a book. Maybe she doesn't want to
Speaker 1: be out setting policy with the queen. You know, you
Speaker 1: have to assess your kids as to whether they are
Speaker 1: up for that and would dig that. Don't put a
Speaker 1: kid who doesn't want that in that position. Yikes. I
Speaker 1: mean we're all ambitious for our kids, you know, we
Speaker 1: want them to go to the best schools. Well, some
Speaker 1: kids don't need or want or benefit from the best schools.
Speaker 1: Some they just need to find their niche Someways sometimes
Speaker 1: you just got to calm down, Mom, calm down.
Speaker 2: Good luck telling Bertha to calm down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody tells Nobody tells Martha to calm down.
Speaker 2: Nobody tells her anything.
Speaker 1: There is no calm setting on that woman. There is
Speaker 1: a quiet seating. Possibly there is a biting biting time.
Speaker 1: There's definitely a biting time setting that is not the
Speaker 1: same as call so yesh. I mean, Gladys is pretty
Speaker 1: well doomed now, even though George is only now finding out.
Speaker 1: I think that they have promised the Duke money or
Speaker 1: will after the end of this episode find out. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get.
Speaker 1: You know what. There aren't enough in the Gilded Age,
Speaker 1: enough dogs have there been dogs. There was a dog
Speaker 1: at one point, wasn't there didn't have been? Didn't I
Speaker 1: have a dog? Where's Ada's dog? Did she ditched the doggy?
Speaker 1: No alcohol? I'm out here. I'm gonna go across the street.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the Russell's got booze.
Speaker 2: They are not giving that up.
Speaker 1: For sure, they need it is.
Speaker 2: Oh well, well we had also Aida and Peggy's mom
Speaker 2: Udre McDonald as we like to call her, sort of
Speaker 2: bonding over when your child is ill and how with Agnes.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sorry, Yeah, Agnes and Peggy's mom bonding that
Speaker 1: was That was very nice. Yes, I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: Agnes trying to not be a terrible racist person, even
Speaker 1: though it's a minefield that she was tipped on her
Speaker 1: through and Peggy's dad was just kind of ready for
Speaker 1: each misstep, right, But I think that she made it
Speaker 1: through and they did have that nice bonding over typhoid.
Speaker 1: Does this explain why oscar Is is the way she
Speaker 1: seems to have lost any sympathy she had.
Speaker 2: For us, Well, it's a difference.
Speaker 1: Between he brought him through his illness and look what
Speaker 1: he did to me. He ruined me financially, well, should
Speaker 1: have let that old punk dog.
Speaker 2: It was ten and now he's what thirty five or something,
Speaker 2: so he's held to a different standard at this point.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true, I believe. Oh well, so yeah,
Speaker 1: it was nice to see uh Peggy's family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we get to meet the hot doctor.
Speaker 1: So the hot doctor we can assume is going to
Speaker 1: be a love interest for us.
Speaker 2: I do believe.
Speaker 1: They checked that he's married. They just maybe she wants
Speaker 1: to drop that into the conversation this time hot newspaper guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she found out the lessons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we would like to see a complete dossier young. Yeah. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the chef's wife died yay, so he can now possibly
Speaker 1: marry his coworkers.
Speaker 2: Because we need more more stories in this show. Yes,
Speaker 2: I still enjoy it very much. But yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's a lot. There's a lot. They need
Speaker 1: to put out a little guide each one each Remember
Speaker 1: this person, this person, Okay, now this person is doing this.
Speaker 1: Now remember the backstory on that person. Oh well, Aurora
Speaker 1: is going to find some friends out in Newport.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, well, I mean they're setting it up so
Speaker 2: that Aurora is going to be in Newport Peggy's going
Speaker 2: to be in Newport. Maybe Larry will have to go
Speaker 2: back to Newport for some reason, and then Laura but
Speaker 2: Nanty's gonna cause a complication.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, yeah. See well I want I want
Speaker 1: Kelly O'Hara more of an ante to be next door
Speaker 1: neighbors and just you know, greet each day singing Broadway.
Speaker 2: Shoot, yes, I love that.
Speaker 1: And of course if Peggy's family is there, then Audrey
Speaker 1: McDonald can join in. It'll be perfect. You know, who
Speaker 1: will want to not be a Newport The city will
Speaker 1: clear out.
Speaker 2: Apparently the hot doctor in real life has been in Hamilton.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well that's true. This is a this is
Speaker 1: a Who's that Broadway Person? TV show? So I recommended
Speaker 1: it to somebody recently who I know enjoys Broadway just
Speaker 1: that way. Oh, it's like you'll recognize everybody else I couldn't.
Speaker 1: It's uh so, who's that dita?
Speaker 2: But well, next Wednesday, what comes up on that is
Speaker 2: episode three of season three, and this is called love
Speaker 2: is Never Easy.
Speaker 1: Oh that doesn't sound good. And but of course they
Speaker 1: got to fill they got to fill a lot of
Speaker 1: episodes here, so you know, it can't be easy. It
Speaker 1: can't be. Everybody's fine, everybody's in love, it's good, it's
Speaker 1: all good. Let's go to Newport and put on a show.
Speaker 2: So we'll see that. We'll watch that for next Wednesday,
Speaker 2: and we'll see you back here tomorrow for our Roundabout
Speaker 2: round up.
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