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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>a newer entertainment property, And for this week of July

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighth, we're continuing with The Gilded Age Season three,

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<v Speaker 2>Episode two. What's the Papers Say?

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<v Speaker 1>And I would just plant things in there, like to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>You what the drinks with broads, which is the FuG

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<v Speaker 2>Girls news THO Fun Yeah newsletter. They are doing recaps

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<v Speaker 2>of these episodes and the sub head for the recap

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<v Speaker 2>of this one is drop dead Charles Fain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, indeed, there were a number of different incidents of

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<v Speaker 1>bad behavior in this. I mean, you can quibble about

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<v Speaker 1>how Bertha is handling her daughter. You can quibble about

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<v Speaker 1>whether Gladys should have ran out of the house in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night. You know, the stuff of

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<v Speaker 1>the Van Ryan house is very tense. There's talk about racism,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Larry and Jack, whatever is going on in there,

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<v Speaker 1>but it all pales in comparison to that bleephole and

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, bad enough the way he's treating her,

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<v Speaker 1>But then he brings his side piece to her party yep, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically says, no, no, this is how it is is

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<v Speaker 2>from now on. So that's why if you have to divorce.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, yes, yes, and just ruin her there in public

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<v Speaker 1>in front of everybody, missus astor running out of there

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<v Speaker 1>like somebody had dropped a turret on the floor. What

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<v Speaker 1>a yeah, yeah, what a jerk?

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<v Speaker 2>Gusting.

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<v Speaker 1>He is awful, He is really awful. And I like

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<v Speaker 1>that that missus Van Ryan said you're no longer my nephew.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he said, he said something.

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<v Speaker 1>She's broke and disgraced herself. So yeah, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Said something like on Agnes, you'll understand or I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember what he said, but she just said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I am no longer on Agnes to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, what a scumback anyway, Yeah, he is. Just

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<v Speaker 1>they've just made him more and more irredeemable with each

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<v Speaker 1>time he comes at.

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<v Speaker 2>Aurora and just try to flick yes and start over.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but you know, a good illustration of the folly

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<v Speaker 1>of marrying somebody who is going to do that to you,

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<v Speaker 1>And when you are a young woman, it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>see that far down the road. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that the Duke is going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>particularly wonderful husband for Gladys. But I think Billy is

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<v Speaker 1>probably well ducked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because he's just too too much of a wus

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<v Speaker 2>he is.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, yes, And I don't think he would be able

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<v Speaker 1>to certainly wouldn't be able to protect her from her

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<v Speaker 1>mother and her mother's will, and would also probably just

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<v Speaker 1>once she got over the excitement of it, he would

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<v Speaker 1>be very boring. So there's really not a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>good options for Gladys. No, I regret to say, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think we know where this is going

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<v Speaker 1>for Gladys. Yeah, well, let's see she marries the Duke,

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<v Speaker 1>she goes to English, she meets some of the Bridgerton's

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<v Speaker 1>and they have lots of fun times together. Yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>probably wrong time.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like fifty sixty years I think behind before behind you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well you know, maybe there's a time.

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<v Speaker 2>Warm Yes, exactly. Well. In addition to Agnes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that she's no longer his aunt and hear you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he can't call her that, I also enjoyed the takedown

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<v Speaker 2>of the horrible house maid or housekeeper or whatever at

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<v Speaker 2>at the van Ryns. You know, probably just a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of kind of virtue signaling, but the cook basically the

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<v Speaker 2>cook just told her off and she said Armstrong the

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<v Speaker 2>racest one. They said to Banister, like, are you gonna

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<v Speaker 2>let her talk to me that way? And he just

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<v Speaker 2>said here's that I am or something? Yes, yes you are.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet she deserves it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. The whole temperance making the help sign your

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<v Speaker 1>temperance pledge seems unfair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, especially when it's like they have a choice, No

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<v Speaker 2>they don't. You know, you're the boss. You pay their

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<v Speaker 2>sal they do have to. And when it's like we

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<v Speaker 2>promise not to drink here but also not to drink anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>but also to like discourage anyone anywhere at any time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ye, and that's a lot, Like that's that's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to ask of anybody. It is a lot, Yes

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<v Speaker 2>it is, and it's just going to lead to organized crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah it's and it is bad. I do.

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<v Speaker 2>But we had John Quincy Adams coming back to save

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<v Speaker 2>the day for for Oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's right. Yeah, that's right. I forgot that was

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<v Speaker 1>his name. Yeah, but that was a sweet scene.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean it was just very like, oh, we

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<v Speaker 2>need to fix things for Oscar. How are we going

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<v Speaker 2>to do that? I know, yeah, yeah, good old well,

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<v Speaker 2>good old John Adams, John Adams just to handwave this

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<v Speaker 2>problem away like oh, I'll just tell you that you're

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<v Speaker 2>good at money again, like okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I ruined Oscar. Not that fun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean at the time when it happened, he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of had it coming to him. But all right, we're done.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we do something else?

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<v Speaker 2>We need a last minute hail Mary like we got

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<v Speaker 2>with Oh suddenly Ada's rich now.

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<v Speaker 1>Like exactly, yeah, although Ada being rich has turned out

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<v Speaker 1>to not be as much fun as no, So maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar can get some money for his mom. Yeah, to

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<v Speaker 1>like at least buy the servants of bear. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>that they did a very good job of like turning

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<v Speaker 1>our joy at Ada being the top dog for a

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<v Speaker 1>change to uh yeah, and how does Aurora get the

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<v Speaker 1>job of deciding who's in charge? I know that that

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<v Speaker 1>seems very odd to me? What business is it of

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<v Speaker 1>a her?

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<v Speaker 2>She happens to be there when the when that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of comes to a head with who's in charge? And

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<v Speaker 2>so she just says, well, my own life is falling apart,

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<v Speaker 2>I can just step in here and do whatever. I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, it makes me slightly look sympathetic towards her

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<v Speaker 1>because she's this is not your house, lady. And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean clearly the one paying the bills is the one

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<v Speaker 1>who gets to give the orders, but sort of coldly done.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, and uh, Mariann and Larry are sneaking around.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, do we feel like Larry's more into

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<v Speaker 2>her than she's into him?

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<v Speaker 1>Or yeah? I don't. I mean I feel like she's

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<v Speaker 1>into him too. I just feel like he is in

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<v Speaker 1>a position where he feels bulletproof, so the hecke you

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<v Speaker 1>don't care what he does, and she is in a

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<v Speaker 1>position where she feels very vulnerable. So which is the

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<v Speaker 1>way Gladys should have been feeling about herself. Instead, she

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<v Speaker 1>felt like she was She was acting like Larry, I

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<v Speaker 1>can do whatever I want. But she ran away to

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<v Speaker 1>Billy's house and then immediately went back. Well, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>Billy's mom says you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Bertha came toget her.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, but well she started by said a note

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<v Speaker 1>like first thing in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>She started by saying, you know, we have to be strong,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to stand together, and then she folded like

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<v Speaker 2>a cheap umbrella as soon as her mother showed up.

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<v Speaker 1>Bertha is very intimidating, even like George kind of folds

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<v Speaker 1>like a cheap umbrella. He folds like a pricey umbrella.

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<v Speaker 1>He folds like a like a very dignified umbrella that

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<v Speaker 1>says I will open up later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't We're not through with this. Don't don't snap

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom. Yeah she is. She is pretty difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of the way of Maybe I liked the

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<v Speaker 1>From a parenting point of view, you know, we often

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<v Speaker 1>say that parents have different roles, Parents take responsibility for

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<v Speaker 1>different things in the family life and that that's one

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<v Speaker 1>way to make everything work, so that you're not constantly

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<v Speaker 1>discussing every single thing, and you know, at length cut exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so George said when something like when do I get

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<v Speaker 1>a say in my daughter's upbringing? And Bertha says, the

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<v Speaker 1>day I'm in your boardroom giving opinions on railroads and

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<v Speaker 1>steel mills. So stand down, buddy. And I think he

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<v Speaker 1>maybe gives it some thought because she might do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, she might come in and actually might come

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<v Speaker 1>in to a meeting. She might have better ideas than me. Fine,

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<v Speaker 1>take the girl, do whatever you want. I'll break my promise,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as as have many smart people. He takes

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<v Speaker 1>the warning. Yes, but you know, somebody has to be

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<v Speaker 1>the person everybody listens to. I guess maybe in more

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<v Speaker 1>modern families we like it to be the unified voice

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<v Speaker 1>of mom and dad. But is it usually even now?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. So Billy was scared off by Saint

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<v Speaker 1>George with all his powerful friends, but he should have

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<v Speaker 1>been more scared of proof. Oh well. I liked also

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<v Speaker 1>how Billy's this is a parenting tip. When your child

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<v Speaker 1>has a failure, it's very upsetting and you feel it strongly,

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<v Speaker 1>but find a positive spin. So Billy's mom is like

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<v Speaker 1>their new money. They were just using you to get

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<v Speaker 1>in with them money. Right, It's fine, it's you're lucky

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<v Speaker 1>to be out of that. You know, you got to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. Even if the kid doesn't believe you. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to put a happy face on it. This

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<v Speaker 1>is for the best. I really enjoyed the performance of

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<v Speaker 1>the actress who played Billy's mom, who was just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in over her quite a lot and slowly realizing it

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<v Speaker 1>and at the end probably saying, thank goodns, I am

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<v Speaker 1>not co in laws with that woman. You know. It's like, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>we dodged a bullet. Here wee Carlton's so but she

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<v Speaker 1>was like and there was a lot of talk of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Bertha saying that Gladys would have an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to set fashions and to do all these things and

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<v Speaker 1>to be extraordinary. And I'm like, that sounds like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's not you would have done that.

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<v Speaker 1>But it makes me feel like that's a lot of work,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a lot of responsibility and a lot of pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe she just wants to sit in a nice sunny

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<v Speaker 1>corner and read a book. Maybe she doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be out setting policy with the queen. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to assess your kids as to whether they are

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<v Speaker 1>up for that and would dig that. Don't put a

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<v Speaker 1>kid who doesn't want that in that position. Yikes. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we're all ambitious for our kids, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>want them to go to the best schools. Well, some

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<v Speaker 1>Some they just need to find their niche Someways sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you just got to calm down, Mom, calm down.

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<v Speaker 2>Good luck telling Bertha to calm down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nobody tells Nobody tells Martha to calm down.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody tells her anything.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no calm setting on that woman. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a quiet seating. Possibly there is a biting biting time.

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<v Speaker 1>There's definitely a biting time setting that is not the

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<v Speaker 1>same as call so yesh. I mean, Gladys is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>well doomed now, even though George is only now finding out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they have promised the Duke money or

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<v Speaker 1>will after the end of this episode find out. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to get.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what. There aren't enough in the Gilded Age,

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<v Speaker 1>enough dogs have there been dogs. There was a dog

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<v Speaker 1>at one point, wasn't there didn't have been? Didn't I

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<v Speaker 1>have a dog? Where's Ada's dog? Did she ditched the doggy?

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<v Speaker 1>No alcohol? I'm out here. I'm gonna go across the street.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure the Russell's got booze.

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<v Speaker 2>They are not giving that up.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, they need it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, well we had also Aida and Peggy's mom

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<v Speaker 2>Udre McDonald as we like to call her, sort of

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<v Speaker 2>bonding over when your child is ill and how with Agnes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm sorry, Yeah, Agnes and Peggy's mom bonding that

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<v Speaker 1>was That was very nice. Yes, I'm just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>Agnes trying to not be a terrible racist person, even

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<v Speaker 1>though it's a minefield that she was tipped on her

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<v Speaker 1>through and Peggy's dad was just kind of ready for

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<v Speaker 1>each misstep, right, But I think that she made it

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<v Speaker 1>through and they did have that nice bonding over typhoid.

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<v Speaker 1>Does this explain why oscar Is is the way she

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<v Speaker 2>For us, Well, it's a difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Between he brought him through his illness and look what

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<v Speaker 1>he did to me. He ruined me financially, well, should

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<v Speaker 1>have let that old punk dog.

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<v Speaker 2>It was ten and now he's what thirty five or something,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's held to a different standard at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, that's true, I believe. Oh well, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was nice to see uh Peggy's family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we get to meet the hot doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>So the hot doctor we can assume is going to

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe.

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<v Speaker 1>They checked that he's married. They just maybe she wants

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<v Speaker 1>to drop that into the conversation this time hot newspaper guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she found out the lessons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we would like to see a complete dossier young. Yeah. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the chef's wife died yay, so he can now possibly

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<v Speaker 1>marry his coworkers.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we need more more stories in this show. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I still enjoy it very much. But yeah, there's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but there's a lot. There's a lot. They need

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<v Speaker 1>to put out a little guide each one each Remember

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<v Speaker 1>this person, this person, Okay, now this person is doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now remember the backstory on that person. Oh well, Aurora

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<v Speaker 1>is going to find some friends out in Newport.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, well, I mean they're setting it up so

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<v Speaker 2>that Aurora is going to be in Newport Peggy's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be in Newport. Maybe Larry will have to go

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<v Speaker 2>back to Newport for some reason, and then Laura but

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<v Speaker 2>Nanty's gonna cause a complication.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh yeah, yeah. See well I want I want

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly O'Hara more of an ante to be next door

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<v Speaker 1>neighbors and just you know, greet each day singing Broadway.

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<v Speaker 2>Shoot, yes, I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course if Peggy's family is there, then Audrey

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<v Speaker 1>McDonald can join in. It'll be perfect. You know, who

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<v Speaker 1>will want to not be a Newport The city will

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<v Speaker 1>clear out.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently the hot doctor in real life has been in Hamilton.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, well that's true. This is a this is

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<v Speaker 1>a Who's that Broadway Person? TV show? So I recommended

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<v Speaker 1>it to somebody recently who I know enjoys Broadway just

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<v Speaker 1>that way. Oh, it's like you'll recognize everybody else I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh so, who's that dita?

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<v Speaker 2>But well, next Wednesday, what comes up on that is

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<v Speaker 2>episode three of season three, and this is called love

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<v Speaker 2>is Never Easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that doesn't sound good. And but of course they

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<v Speaker 1>got to fill they got to fill a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>episodes here, so you know, it can't be easy. It

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<v Speaker 1>can't be. Everybody's fine, everybody's in love, it's good, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all good. Let's go to Newport and put on a show.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll see that. We'll watch that for next Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll see you back here tomorrow for our Roundabout

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<v Speaker 2>round up.

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