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<v Speaker 1>Hombulert Calm, Kansas City, Missouri, September twenty ninth, nineteen fifty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Hours of agonized waiting dragged by today without any word

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<v Speaker 2>from the kidnappers of six year old Bobby Greenlease, son

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<v Speaker 2>of a millionaire automobile distributor, twenty four hours after the

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<v Speaker 2>child was taken from the fashionable Notre Dame school by

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<v Speaker 2>a ruse. The parents of the boy waited hopefully for

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<v Speaker 2>some contact with the kidnapper. Police meanwhile, said they were

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<v Speaker 2>doing nothing in an effort to avoid frightening the kidnappers

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<v Speaker 2>and give them an opportunity to make contact with the family.

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<v Speaker 2>They and the family hoped such action or lack of

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<v Speaker 2>action would hurry the child home unharmed, said Bernard Brandon,

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<v Speaker 2>chief of Police. Were treading lightly. We're just waiting to

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<v Speaker 2>hear if the family is contacted. He gave no idea

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<v Speaker 2>how long the waiting period would last. Greenlease, seventy one

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<v Speaker 2>is a distributor for Cadillac. He said, quote, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why anybody would do anything like this. There are

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<v Speaker 2>so many reasons why anybody would be foolish to take

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<v Speaker 2>such a risk. It just doesn't make sense. Unquote Greenlee

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<v Speaker 2>said he believed the kidnapping was the work of professionals.

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<v Speaker 2>That he said made him hopeful the perpetrators would make

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<v Speaker 2>contacts soon with a ransom demand. This, he felt would

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<v Speaker 2>make it more likely that the child would be released unharmed,

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<v Speaker 2>as the professionals would be interested primarily in the money.

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<v Speaker 2>Greenley's active in civic affairs, has been in the automobile

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<v Speaker 2>distributing business for forty five years. He married Missus Greenlease,

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<v Speaker 2>who was in her mid forties, in nineteen thirty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>after divorcing his first wife. Missus Greenleas collapsed from strain

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<v Speaker 2>and was under care of a physician. The Greenleases also

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<v Speaker 2>have an eleven year old daughter. The boy was taken

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<v Speaker 2>from the school yesterday morning. The woman gained admittance to

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<v Speaker 2>the school by telling a nun Missus Greenlea's had suffered

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<v Speaker 2>a heart attack and the boy had to be taken

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<v Speaker 2>to the hospital. She said she was the boy's aunt.

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<v Speaker 2>The nuns suggested the woman pray for Missus Greenlea's in

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<v Speaker 2>the school chapel while she waited for the child to

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<v Speaker 2>be called from his class. The woman walked into the

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<v Speaker 2>chapel and knelt on leaving the school with Bobby. The

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<v Speaker 2>woman remarked, I'm not a Catholic, but I hope God

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<v Speaker 2>heard my prayers. Eugene M. Pond, chief of Detectives, said

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<v Speaker 2>police were following all normal processes in the investigation and

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<v Speaker 2>added we are awaiting a request from the parents before

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<v Speaker 2>starting an intensive investigation. Announcement of the kidnapping was withheld

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<v Speaker 2>from the press and radio for three hours. Police Chief

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<v Speaker 2>Brannon explained authority's feared earlier disclosure might result in death

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<v Speaker 2>or injury to the child. The woman, described as chunky,

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<v Speaker 2>about thirty five years old and having reddish brown hair,

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<v Speaker 2>left the school with the boy in a taxicab. The

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<v Speaker 2>nun then telephoned the Greenlea's home, talked with Missus Greenlease

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<v Speaker 2>and learned she was not ill. Then it was discovered

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<v Speaker 2>that the boy had been taken from the school on

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<v Speaker 2>a ruse. Later, the taxicab driver, Willard Creech, sixty two,

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<v Speaker 2>told police the woman and young Greenleas left his cab

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<v Speaker 2>at a parking lot only a few blocks from the school.

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<v Speaker 2>They got into a late model blue sedan with Kansas

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<v Speaker 2>license plates and drove off. Creech said quote he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>cry or anything. While he was in the cab, she

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<v Speaker 2>kept talking to him about how things were at home

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that. She asked him about a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of dogs that word at home, and he said something.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember. They had talked about the fact that they

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<v Speaker 2>had a parrot at home. Unquote, Creech said the woman

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<v Speaker 2>referred to a black parrot. The parrot, however, is green.

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<v Speaker 2>The cab driver said the woman didn't seem to know

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<v Speaker 2>the boy very well, but he didn't think there was

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<v Speaker 2>anything unusual about his passengers' actions. About ten days ago,

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<v Speaker 2>a woman telephoned the Greenleas home, saying she was a

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<v Speaker 2>representative of the public schools. She asked the ages of

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<v Speaker 2>the children and where they attended classes. A housekeeper recalled

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<v Speaker 2>the incident last night. School officials said they were unaware

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<v Speaker 2>of any such survey being made. The boy was wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a white, short sleeved shirt and short brown linen trousers

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<v Speaker 2>when taken away. He weighs about fifty three pounds, has

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<v Speaker 2>fair skin and light brown hair. Bulletin the father of

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<v Speaker 2>kidnapped Robert Cosgrove Greenleas Junior, suddenly left his home today.

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<v Speaker 2>The millionaire automobile dealer asked newsman and photographer to leave

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<v Speaker 2>the premises and said, we believe someone is trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make contact. He did not elaborate. True Crime Historian presents

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<v Speaker 2>an Eye for an Eye, a special edition of Yesterday's news,

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<v Speaker 2>exploring the criminal justice system at its most extreme, inflicting

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<v Speaker 2>the death penalty. Episode three hundred and sixty two takes

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<v Speaker 2>on one of the most evil crimes imaginable, as told

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<v Speaker 2>from the point of view of the perpetrator. By the

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<v Speaker 2>time police caught up with Carl Austin Hall, he had

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<v Speaker 2>made so many mistakes in the kidnapping and murder of

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<v Speaker 2>a six year old boy that he knew the game

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<v Speaker 2>was up, so he told the whole story in a

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<v Speaker 2>coldly matter of fact thirty six page confession here adapted

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<v Speaker 2>for the first two acts. The third act will call

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<v Speaker 2>the comuppins. I'm true crime historian Richard O. Jones, and

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<v Speaker 2>for your horror and indignation, I give you evil plan

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<v Speaker 2>drunkenly botched the Greenleace kidnapping tragedy. I was born in

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<v Speaker 2>Kansas City, Missouri, July one, nineteen nineteen, the son of

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<v Speaker 2>John and Zella Hall. Both my parents are now dead

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<v Speaker 2>and I have no brothers or sisters. At the time

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<v Speaker 2>of my mother's death, my inheritance from my father's estate

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<v Speaker 2>was valued at approximately two hundred thousand dollars. My mother

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<v Speaker 2>died in nineteen thirty four. I attended grade school at Pleasanton,

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<v Speaker 2>Kansas and Kemper Military Academy, Boonville, Missouri from nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 2>four until the close of the school year in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six. I graduated from the Pleasanton, Kansas High School

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty seven. I also attended one semester at

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<v Speaker 2>the William Jewell College at Liberty, Missouri. I joined the

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<v Speaker 2>United States Marines at Kansas City in nineteen thirty eight

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<v Speaker 2>and received an honorable discharge in January of nineteen forty six.

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<v Speaker 2>I was formerly married to Irene Holmes Hall, but she

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<v Speaker 2>divorced me in nineteen fifty There were no children of

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<v Speaker 2>this marriage. I wish to say that relative to planning

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<v Speaker 2>a kidnapping, I've had it in mind for at least

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<v Speaker 2>two years. I believed that kidnapping was the one crime

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<v Speaker 2>I could commit once and obtain a large sum of money. However,

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<v Speaker 2>up to April twenty fourth, nineteen fifty three, I had

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<v Speaker 2>not picked out any specific victim to kidnap. I knew

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<v Speaker 2>that Robert C. Greenlea's was extremely wealthy. I also knew

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<v Speaker 2>from newspaper accounts that mister Greenley's had two children living

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<v Speaker 2>at his residence with them. I then placed a fictitious

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<v Speaker 2>call to the Greenley's home and spoke to an individual

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<v Speaker 2>who claimed she was the maid. From the maid, I

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<v Speaker 2>ascertained the ages of the children, what school they attended,

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<v Speaker 2>and other pertinent data. I met missus Bonnie and Hetty

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<v Speaker 2>at a cocktail lounge in the Robideaux Hotel Saint Joseph, Missouri,

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<v Speaker 2>in about the latter part of May nineteen fifty three,

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<v Speaker 2>and began living with her as husband and wife in

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<v Speaker 2>a common law relationship. About the middle of nineteen fifty three,

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<v Speaker 2>I began to discuss with her the details for kidnapping

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby Greenlea's, pointing out to her that she would only

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<v Speaker 2>have to participate in luring Bobby from the French institute

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<v Speaker 2>and use her home to keep the child until the

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<v Speaker 2>ransom was paid. Upon securing Bonnie Hetty's consent to participate

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<v Speaker 2>in this kidnapping, I later placed in another telephone call

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<v Speaker 2>to both the Greenlea's residence and the Greenlease Motor Company,

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<v Speaker 2>and was informed that the family at that time were

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<v Speaker 2>in Europe, but were expected to return home sometime in

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<v Speaker 2>the first week of September in order that the children

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<v Speaker 2>could commence their schoolwork. About two weeks prior to the

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<v Speaker 2>actual abduction, Bonnie Hetty and I drove to the Greenlea's

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<v Speaker 2>residence twenty nine Verona, and there observed mister Greenlee's senior

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<v Speaker 2>taking the children to school. We followed him in Bonnie

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<v Speaker 2>Hetty's blue station wagon and observed what time mister Greenleas

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<v Speaker 2>would leave the home and what time the boy was

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<v Speaker 2>left at school. On two occasions prior to the abduction,

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<v Speaker 2>I followed Missus Greenlea's from the home to the school

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<v Speaker 2>which Virginia Sue Greenlea's attends, and then to the French

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<v Speaker 2>institute of Notre Dame d Seon, where Bobby Greenlea's would

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<v Speaker 2>be picked up by his mother. At one time during

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<v Speaker 2>the planning stage, I considered the possibility of appearing at

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<v Speaker 2>the Greenley's home in the absence of the parents and

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<v Speaker 2>at pistol point abduct Bobby from his home. I consistently

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<v Speaker 2>planned to kidnap Bobby Greenley's junior, but had also given

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<v Speaker 2>some consideration to the abduction of Virginia Sioux. About two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks prior to September twenty eighth, nineteen fifty three, Bonnie

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<v Speaker 2>Hetty and I followed fowed Missus Greenlea's and Virginia Sioux,

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<v Speaker 2>who were in a blue Cadillac Sedan from Virginia's school

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<v Speaker 2>to the plaza near Kansas City, Missouri, where Missus Greenlee

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<v Speaker 2>parked the Cadillac car near a large drug store. Bonnie

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<v Speaker 2>and I observed Missus Greenlea's alight from the car and

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<v Speaker 2>enter the drug store. I suddenly got the urge to

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<v Speaker 2>abduct Virginia, got out of Bonnie's station wagon and proceeded

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<v Speaker 2>over to where the Green Lease automobile was parked. I

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<v Speaker 2>approached the Greenlease automobile, but Virginia Sioue was in the

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<v Speaker 2>process of alighting from the car, and I realized I

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<v Speaker 2>could not abduct her at this point without creating some confusion, excitement,

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<v Speaker 2>and possible apprehension. As I realized that Virginia Sioux would

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<v Speaker 2>be much older and more mature inner observations, I finally

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<v Speaker 2>abandoned the plan to abduct Virginia Sioue. In the preparation

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<v Speaker 2>for instant kidnapping, I purchased a fifty pound sack of

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<v Speaker 2>lime at the Sawyer Materialurial Company in Kansas City. I

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<v Speaker 2>purchased this lime to be used in the disposal of

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<v Speaker 2>the victim's body. I had read some time in the

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<v Speaker 2>past that hot lime would quickly eradicate human flesh and bone.

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<v Speaker 2>I purchased this lime for about thirty five cents, and

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<v Speaker 2>upon returning to Bonnie Hetty's home in Saint Joseph, I

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<v Speaker 2>stored the lime in the basement of her home. Also

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<v Speaker 2>preparatory to the kidnapping, I purchased a long handled, true

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Joseph, Missouri, on Saturday, September twenty sixth, nineteen fifty three,

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<v Speaker 2>at around four pm. I purchased this shovel for the

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<v Speaker 2>sole purpose of digging the grave of Bobby Greenlea's prior

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<v Speaker 2>to the kidnapping. Also prior to the kidnapping, the exact

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<v Speaker 2>date I do not recall, I purchased a thirty eight

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<v Speaker 2>caliber Smith and Wesson revolver at Uncle Sam's loan office

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<v Speaker 2>located on Minnesota Avenue, Kansas City, Kansas. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>I also purchased one or two boxes of ammunition for

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<v Speaker 2>the revolver, as well as some ammunition for the revolver

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<v Speaker 2>owned by Bonnie Hetty. I purchased at a variety store

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<v Speaker 2>in Saint Joseph, Missouri, a pad of high toned linen

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<v Speaker 2>finished writing paper, and at the United States Post Office

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<v Speaker 2>some stamped envelopes to be used in sending the ransom

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<v Speaker 2>letter in connection with the caves. I decided that the

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<v Speaker 2>ransom amount would be six hundred thousand dollars. I arrived

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<v Speaker 2>at this figure because I had previously read in some

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<v Speaker 2>magazine or other periodical an article giving the weight and

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<v Speaker 2>size of a package containing a million dollars and ten

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty dollars bills. I recalled that a million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>would be too bulky to handle, but that six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars and ten and twenty dollars bills would weigh

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<v Speaker 2>approximately eighty to eighty five pounds. I thought, if this

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<v Speaker 2>amount were placed in a duffel bag, it would not

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<v Speaker 2>be too awkward or unwieldy for me to handle. In

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<v Speaker 2>comparative safety, I decided to direct in the ransom notes

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<v Speaker 2>that the money be obtained from the twelve Federal Reserve

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<v Speaker 2>Bank districts, as I believed the bills would be serialized

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<v Speaker 2>in the lists published to the general public, and if

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<v Speaker 2>they came from one Federal Reserve bank it would be

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<v Speaker 2>too easy to check, but having the money collected from

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<v Speaker 2>anyone to check. Also, in preparation for the kidnapping, I

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<v Speaker 2>powder which, if handled, would transmit a stain to my

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<v Speaker 2>hand or clothing, which would assist in identifying me if

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<v Speaker 2>apprehended as the kidnapper. Therefore, the plastic sheeting was to

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<v Speaker 2>or powder from being transmitted to my hands. I purchased

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<v Speaker 2>victim's body when placing it in the grave. One evening

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<v Speaker 2>prior to the kidnapping exact date not recalled. Bonnie Hetty

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<v Speaker 2>and I drove to Kansas City, Missouri in her blue

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<v Speaker 2>Plymouth station wagon, and I purchased an issue of the

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<v Speaker 2>newspaper of the Daily Oklahoma at a newsstand known as Rubac's,

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<v Speaker 2>located near the mule Lebac Hotel. I knew that mister

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<v Speaker 2>Greenley's had an interest in a motor company in Oklahoma City,

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<v Speaker 2>so I planned to use a business one ad to

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<v Speaker 2>assist in directing the first ransom letter to the Greenleys family.

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<v Speaker 2>I located this newspaper ad and clipped it from the newspaper. Later,

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<v Speaker 2>I pasted this clipping on the outside of an envelope

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<v Speaker 2>containing the first ransom letter. On Sunday, September twenty seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty three, I vince Bonnie that it would be

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<v Speaker 2>both of us, as well as Bonnie's automobile used in

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<v Speaker 2>the abduction, and her home in Saint Joseph, Missouri. On Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>September twenty seventh, nineteen fifty three, I took the long

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<v Speaker 2>for Bobby Greenlea's on the property owned by Bonnie Hetty.

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<v Speaker 2>I dug this grave in the area immediately north of

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<v Speaker 2>thirty eighth Street, Saint Joseph, Missouri. It took me nearly

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<v Speaker 2>the entire day to dig this grave, as I would

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<v Speaker 2>dig for about an hour, then enter the house and rest,

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<v Speaker 2>and then return until the grave was completed. As I recall,

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<v Speaker 2>this grave was approximately three feet deep and about five

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<v Speaker 2>Bonnie and I, while in Bonnie's rest residents, prepared the

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<v Speaker 2>first ransom letter. Bonnie hand printed the message, which, in

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<v Speaker 2>substance advised the Greenleys family, your boy has been kidnapped

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<v Speaker 2>to get six hundred thousand dollars and twenty and ten

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<v Speaker 2>dollars bills. It instructed that when mister Greenley's had the money,

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<v Speaker 2>he was to insert an advertisement in the Kansas City

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<v Speaker 2>Star as follows, m will meet you in Chicago next Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>signed mister G. I was present at the time. Bonnie

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<v Speaker 2>had a hand printed this letter and made numerous suggestions

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<v Speaker 2>to her relative to the spelling in its preparation. I

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<v Speaker 2>then placed the note in an envelope, on the outside

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<v Speaker 2>of which I pasted the name Greenlease, which I had

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<v Speaker 2>cut from the Daily Oklahoma newspaper I had previously purchased.

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<v Speaker 2>I then placed this envelope in a large one and

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<v Speaker 2>addressed this envelope to mister Robert Greenley's twenty six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>Varona Road, Kansas City, Missouri. On Sunday evening, September twenty seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>I stole the set of license plates. I cannot recall

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<v Speaker 2>where in Saint Joseph I stole the plates or from

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<v Speaker 2>what make of automobile they were stolen. However, to the

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<v Speaker 2>best of my recollection, they were in nineteen fifty three

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<v Speaker 2>Missouri license plates, but I cannot recall the digits appearing

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<v Speaker 2>there on. I stole these plates for the purpose of

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<v Speaker 2>using them on Bonnie's automobile during the actual abduction on

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<v Speaker 2>September twenty eighth. On Monday September twenty eighth, Bonnie and

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<v Speaker 2>I arose earlier than usual, and around seven thirty am

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<v Speaker 2>we got into her blue Plymouth station wagon and drove

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<v Speaker 2>via US Highway seventy one to Kansas City, Missouri, proceeding

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<v Speaker 2>to the vicinity of the French Institute of Notre Dame,

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<v Speaker 2>where we parked the station wagon in a position where

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<v Speaker 2>we could observe the school. We sat in this park car.

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<v Speaker 2>At about eight fifty am, we observed mister Greenlease and

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby Greenlea's in the blue Cadillac entering the school grounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby got out of the automobile and entered the school.

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<v Speaker 2>I was then positive that Bobby would be at the

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<v Speaker 2>school during the normal school hours. Bonnie and I then

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<v Speaker 2>drove to the vicinity of fortieth in Maine, Kansas City, Missouri,

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<v Speaker 2>where I parked the blue station wagon on the main

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<v Speaker 2>loitered in this vicinity waiting for Bonnie to return with

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<v Speaker 2>a victim. At around eleven am, I observed Bonnie and

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<v Speaker 2>the victim alight from a taxi cab near the Cat's

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<v Speaker 2>parking lot mentioned above. I joined them and we all

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<v Speaker 2>three entered the station wagon. I drove. Bobby Greenlease was

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle and Bonnie sat on the front seat

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<v Speaker 2>to the right of Bobby. I immediately drove west on

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<v Speaker 2>Westport Road to the state line, then south the Highway

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<v Speaker 2>fifty and west to Highway sixty nine, traveling through Overland Park, Kansas.

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<v Speaker 2>After driving through Overland Park, I turned into a wheat

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby had not offered any resistance and had not made

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<v Speaker 2>any outcries, but seemed interested in a and appeared to

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<v Speaker 2>be enjoying himself during the trip. After stopping the car,

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<v Speaker 2>I got out on the driver's side. I went to

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<v Speaker 2>the rear and let the tailgate down, then laid out

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<v Speaker 2>the blue plastic sheet. I then went around the car

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<v Speaker 2>to the side opposite the driver and entered the car.

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby was still sitting on the front seat, and Bonnie

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<v Speaker 2>had left the car and was walking up a hedgerow

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<v Speaker 2>at the rear of the car. I had a piece

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<v Speaker 2>of rope which was part of a clothesline I had

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<v Speaker 2>obtained from Bonnie's home. I then placed this rope around

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby's neck and endeavored to strangle him. This rope was

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<v Speaker 2>twelve or fifteen inches long and was too short for

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<v Speaker 2>me to hold in my hand and get a good twist.

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<v Speaker 2>I realized then that I would be unable to strangle

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<v Speaker 2>the victim. Bobby was struggling and kicking, so I took

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<v Speaker 2>my thirty eight caliber revolver and fired what I believed

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<v Speaker 2>to be two shots at Bobby's head at close range.

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<v Speaker 2>I missed him all the first shot, but the second

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<v Speaker 2>one entered his head, causing him to bleed profusely and

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<v Speaker 2>subsequently die. I do not remember exactly what position Bobby

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<v Speaker 2>was in at the time of his death, but I

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<v Speaker 2>believe I had pushed him down on the floorboard of

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<v Speaker 2>the Plymouth because of his profuse bleeding from the head.

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<v Speaker 2>I pulled him out of the station wagon on the

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<v Speaker 2>side opposite the driver and placed him on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>I was certain at this point that the victim was dead,

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<v Speaker 2>so I picked him up and placed him on the

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<v Speaker 2>plastic sheet in the rear of the station wagon, wrapping

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<v Speaker 2>him in this sheet and covering the body over with

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<v Speaker 2>an old comforter which was already in the station wagon.

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<v Speaker 2>This old comforter had been in the station wagon for

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<v Speaker 2>some time and was used by Bonnie's dog to lie

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<v Speaker 2>on when he was riding in the car. During the

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<v Speaker 2>actual killing, Bonnie had walked to the rear of the

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<v Speaker 2>station wagon up along the hedgerow, and at the present

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<v Speaker 2>time cannot recall whether or not she had her dog

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<v Speaker 2>with her. After the shooting, Bonnie returned to the station

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<v Speaker 2>wagon and got in the car. I drove and she

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<v Speaker 2>sat in the front seat opposite me. I then drove

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<v Speaker 2>back to Kansas City, Missouri. Bonnie and I, with the

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<v Speaker 2>body of Bobby in the back of the station wagon,

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<v Speaker 2>then turned on Southwest Trafficway and proceeded all the way

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<v Speaker 2>to downtown Kansas City on this artery, crossing over the

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<v Speaker 2>North Kansas City by way of the Airport Bridge. I

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<v Speaker 2>recalled stopping at Lyn's Tavern in North Kansas City, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do not definitely recall changing the license plates on

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<v Speaker 2>the Plymouth station Wagon. At this point, I drove in

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<v Speaker 2>behind Lyn's Tavern to a parking lot and Bonnie went

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<v Speaker 2>into the tavern and bought me a drink of whiskey.

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<v Speaker 2>I could not enter the tavern because the blue sharkskin

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<v Speaker 2>suit I was wearing was smeared with the victim's blood.

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<v Speaker 2>It was even spattered on my face. I was in

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<v Speaker 2>an extremely nervous state and was afraid if I entered

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<v Speaker 2>the tavern somebody would question me as to the source

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<v Speaker 2>of the blood stains. I believe Bonnie bought me one

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<v Speaker 2>or two drinks from the tavern. After obtaining the liquor,

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<v Speaker 2>Bonnie and I then proceeded via Highway seventy one to

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<v Speaker 2>basement of her home and unloaded Bobby's body, placing it

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<v Speaker 2>on the basement floor. I then removed the Jerusalem metal

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<v Speaker 2>which was pinned to Bobby's shirt. Bonnie went around and

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<v Speaker 2>opened the door at the top of the basement steps.

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<v Speaker 2>I carried the body upstairs, through the kitchen and into

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<v Speaker 2>the yard. I then laid it in the grave and

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<v Speaker 2>covered it with lime, which I had obtained from the garage.

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<v Speaker 2>I partially filled the grave with approximately six inches of dirt.

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<v Speaker 2>I instructed Bonnie to finish filling the grave while I

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<v Speaker 2>used the garden hose in an attempt to wash blood

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<v Speaker 2>stains in fresh blood out of the station wag. When

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<v Speaker 2>I had completed this operation to my satisfaction, I then

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<v Speaker 2>of Highway seventy one to Kansas City, Missouri, where I

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<v Speaker 2>mailed the first ransom note in a mailbox, which I

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<v Speaker 2>After depositing the first ransom letter in the mailbox, I

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<v Speaker 2>at her home in Saint Joseph to tell her that

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<v Speaker 2>everything was okay. By this, I meant I had gotten

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<v Speaker 2>to Kansas City and had mailed the letter. I then

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<v Speaker 2>for a few drinks en route. When I arrived at

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<v Speaker 2>Bonnie's home, I went into the basement, obtained some turpentine, gasoline,

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<v Speaker 2>and other cleaning materials, and attempted to clean the basement.

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<v Speaker 2>I washed the basement door with water using a broom

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<v Speaker 2>in an attempt to remove the blood stains. As I recall,

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<v Speaker 2>I put the ribbon to which the Jerusalem metal had

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<v Speaker 2>been attached in the waste paper basket. I recall I

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<v Speaker 2>put the empty cartridges from my thirty eight caliber revolver

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<v Speaker 2>into the waste paper basket, and then the contents of

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<v Speaker 2>the waste paper basket were dumped into the incinerator the

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<v Speaker 2>clothing which I was wearing at the time of the kidnapping.

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<v Speaker 2>I then took to a cleaning establishment on Frederick Avenue,

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<v Speaker 2>be removed. I informed the clerk that the blood stains

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<v Speaker 2>were the result of my having been involved in an accident.

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<v Speaker 2>The shirt I had worn, which also contained blood stains

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<v Speaker 2>Bonnie's home in an attempt to remove the blood. Cannot

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<v Speaker 2>recall what this position was made of my shoes or necktie.

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<v Speaker 2>Some time on two Tuesday morning, September twenty ninth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty three, Bonnie and I drove to Macintosh's Flora shop

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<v Speaker 2>and purchased a dozen chrysanthemums. Bonnie and I both entered

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<v Speaker 2>this flora shop, purchased the chrysanthemums, returned to her home,

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<v Speaker 2>and we both planted these flowers on the grave of

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby Greenley's This was done and in order to furnish

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<v Speaker 2>an explanation should anyone discover newly turned dirt in the

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<v Speaker 2>ransom letter to the Greenleys family. Inasmuch as I realized

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<v Speaker 2>I had not placed the correct address on the Greenley's

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00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:42.359
<v Speaker 2>home on the first ransom letter. The second letter started out,

415
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:45.440
<v Speaker 2>you must not have got our first letter. The second

416
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:49.000
<v Speaker 2>letter reiterated the ransom demands and the directions to place

417
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:51.599
<v Speaker 2>the ad in the personal column of the Kansas City

418
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Star when mister Greenley's had the money ready and available.

419
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Second ransom letter was addressed to mister Robert C. Greenley's

420
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Vernon Road, Mission Hills, Kansas. I placed either six or

421
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:09.680
<v Speaker 2>seven three cent stamps on the envelope, and Bonnie marked

422
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:13.200
<v Speaker 2>the envelope special. In the second letter, I instructed the

423
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:16.079
<v Speaker 2>Greenleas family that the money should be delivered in an

424
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:19.279
<v Speaker 2>army duffel bag at the time of the final payoff.

425
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:23.960
<v Speaker 2>The letter M, which I used as identification on the

426
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:28.319
<v Speaker 2>ransom notes, had no special significance. I could just have

427
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Wells put up another letter of the alphabet. On Wednesday,

428
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:38.079
<v Speaker 2>September thirtieth, nineteen fifty three, Bonnie and I drove to

429
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Kansas City and Bonnie's Plymouth station wagon and had dinner

430
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.599
<v Speaker 2>at the Coat's house. While eating dinner, I excused myself

431
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:47.880
<v Speaker 2>and made a phone call from a paystation in the

432
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:52.400
<v Speaker 2>hotel to the Greenlease residence. The telephone number at the

433
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Greenlease residence was Gilmore sixty two hundred. I had placed

434
00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:58.920
<v Speaker 2>my handkerchief in the corner of my mouth in an

435
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:03.240
<v Speaker 2>attempt to disguise my voice. A man answered to telephone

436
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:06.720
<v Speaker 2>and I said, this is EM. The man said, what

437
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:10.160
<v Speaker 2>did you say? And I repeated M. I do not

438
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:14.160
<v Speaker 2>recall the exact conversation, but this man asked some questions

439
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:16.920
<v Speaker 2>which I did not pay any attention to, but merely

440
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:22.119
<v Speaker 2>uttered phrases six hundred thousand, tens and twenties. The man

441
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:26.119
<v Speaker 2>asked some questions concerning Bobby, and I replied with one

442
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.559
<v Speaker 2>word metal. I then terminated the conversation and returned to

443
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.319
<v Speaker 2>where Bonnie was sitting, finished dinner, and we returned in

444
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:38.960
<v Speaker 2>her station wagon to Saint Joseph, Missouri. On Thursday evening

445
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:42.319
<v Speaker 2>October one, I observed in the personal column of the

446
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Kansas City Star, to which Bonnie regularly subscribes, the following

447
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:53.880
<v Speaker 2>ad M meet me in Chicago Sunday. G This was

448
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.480
<v Speaker 2>the contact I had been waiting for, as I had

449
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:59.759
<v Speaker 2>previously instructed the Greenleys family to place this item in

450
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:03.559
<v Speaker 2>the when they had the ransom money prepared. I did

451
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:08.799
<v Speaker 2>not go to Kansas City at all on Thursday. On Friday,

452
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>October second, I drove to Kansas City and placed a

453
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>telephone call to the Greenleaf's residence, identifying myself as M.

454
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.200
<v Speaker 2>I attempted to disguise my voice with my handkerchief as

455
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.799
<v Speaker 2>in the preceding call, and into the conversation by saying

456
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:29.119
<v Speaker 2>tonight and hung up. I then started to lay out

457
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.640
<v Speaker 2>a payoff route. The first point on contact was at

458
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.400
<v Speaker 2>twenty ninth in Holmes, Kansas City, Missouri, where I placed

459
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.559
<v Speaker 2>a note with instructions to go to forty second in Charlotte,

460
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Kansas City, Missouri and look under a mailbox on the corner.

461
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:46.839
<v Speaker 2>I fastened this note to the bottom of the mailbox

462
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:49.640
<v Speaker 2>with some adhesive tape which I had bought at Herman

463
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:54.279
<v Speaker 2>drug Store in Saint Joseph. At the same time, I

464
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:57.839
<v Speaker 2>had also purchased some red chalk at Kat's drug Store

465
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:01.759
<v Speaker 2>in North Kansas City. I used this chalk to mark

466
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.319
<v Speaker 2>a rock at the corner forty second in Charlotte. This

467
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:08.319
<v Speaker 2>mark was a red cross, and under this rock I

468
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 2>placed a second note of instructions which directed the Greenleas

469
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:14.960
<v Speaker 2>family to deposit the ransom money in the alcove of

470
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:19.559
<v Speaker 2>a church at fortieth and Harrison Streets, Kansas City, Missouri.

471
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I do not know the exact name of this church,

472
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.240
<v Speaker 2>but believed that the words first Brethren were part of

473
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the correct name of the church. Bonnie was with me

474
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.960
<v Speaker 2>at all times during the laying out of this payoff route,

475
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:35.880
<v Speaker 2>and she was inebriated and did not know what was

476
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:41.279
<v Speaker 2>going on. On October first, Bonnie Hetty rented a nineteen

477
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.960
<v Speaker 2>fifty two Ford Sedan from a U Drive company in

478
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 2>the two hundred block on seventh Street, Saint Joseph and

479
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:51.559
<v Speaker 2>the name of Bonnie Hetty. I drove this car to

480
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Kansas City, and Bonnie drove the station wagon to Kansas City,

481
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.119
<v Speaker 2>where the station wagon was left on the parking lot

482
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:01.440
<v Speaker 2>of a filling station across from Lynnz Tavern in North

483
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Kansas City. I desired to rent the ford in order

484
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:09.960
<v Speaker 2>to allay suspicion from Bonnie's Plymouth station wagon. Early in

485
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:14.039
<v Speaker 2>the evening of October two, nineteen fifty three, I stole

486
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.799
<v Speaker 2>the set of license plates from an automobile park on

487
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 2>the streets in North Kansas City, Missouri, and threw away

488
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:24.599
<v Speaker 2>the regular license plates for the rented ford. At this time,

489
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.759
<v Speaker 2>I was armed with the thirty eight caliber Smith and

490
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Wesson revolver. I had no intention of picking up the

491
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:35.759
<v Speaker 2>ransom money on this first attempted payoff, but merely wanted

492
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>to give the Greenlease family a dummy run to determine

493
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:41.440
<v Speaker 2>if they were sincere in their desire to pay the

494
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.519
<v Speaker 2>ransom money, and to further observe whether or not the

495
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:48.559
<v Speaker 2>car carrying the representative of the Greenleases was being placed

496
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:54.279
<v Speaker 2>under surveillance by the FBI or police. On Tuesday, September

497
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty ninth, nineteen fifty three, I took the Jerusalem medal

498
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.119
<v Speaker 2>which had been removed from Bobby's shirt and placed it

499
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:05.200
<v Speaker 2>in the envelope of the ransom letter number two, so

500
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.559
<v Speaker 2>that the Greenleys family would know I was the real

501
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:12.759
<v Speaker 2>kidnapper and had custody of Bobby. I do not recall

502
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.680
<v Speaker 2>the hour that Bonnie and I left Saint Joseph, Missouri

503
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>and drove to Kansas City, Missouri, but I do recall

504
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:21.799
<v Speaker 2>that we drove in her blue station wagon via Highway

505
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:25.759
<v Speaker 2>seventy one. I'm certain that Bonnie and I stopped at

506
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Lynn's Tavern near Kansas City and had several drinks prior

507
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.640
<v Speaker 2>to the mailing of the second ransom letter addressed to

508
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:36.799
<v Speaker 2>the Greenleaes family at the main post office, Kansas City, Missouri.

509
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:40.279
<v Speaker 2>After mailing this letter, Bonnie and I returned to Saint

510
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:44.559
<v Speaker 2>Joseph and her station wagon again via Highway seventy one,

511
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:48.839
<v Speaker 2>returning there late in the evening. I do not clearly

512
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.839
<v Speaker 2>recall any other events of that evening, as Bonnie and

513
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:57.240
<v Speaker 2>I proceeded to get drunk. At one thirty a m.

514
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.920
<v Speaker 2>October third, I placed it another time telephone call to

515
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.359
<v Speaker 2>the Greenlease residence from a bar located near the intersection

516
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:08.599
<v Speaker 2>of Trust and Armor, Kansas City. I do not remember

517
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:10.400
<v Speaker 2>the name of the bar, but I remember that the

518
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:12.679
<v Speaker 2>bar was in the process of closing for the night

519
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:16.639
<v Speaker 2>at the time I made this call, I identified myself as

520
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.440
<v Speaker 2>M and directed the man who answered the phone to

521
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.760
<v Speaker 2>go to twenty ninth and Holmes for further instructions relative

522
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:26.320
<v Speaker 2>to the payoff. Bonnie and I drove around in the

523
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:29.880
<v Speaker 2>rented ford until about four a m. We drove to

524
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:33.119
<v Speaker 2>forty second in Charlotte, and I noticed the rock under

525
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:36.039
<v Speaker 2>which I had placed the second note was still intact.

526
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 2>I drove them back to the telephone booth located at

527
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:42.840
<v Speaker 2>the street car shelter at Brush Street in Maine, at

528
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.559
<v Speaker 2>which time I placed another phone call to the Greenlease

529
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:48.920
<v Speaker 2>residence and asked the party who answered what had happened.

530
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:53.119
<v Speaker 2>I was advised by the party that the Greenleace family

531
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:55.400
<v Speaker 2>did not have the money at home, and they were

532
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.920
<v Speaker 2>having difficulty finding my written instructions and were afraid it

533
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.920
<v Speaker 2>would be daylight before where they could comply with my instructions.

534
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:05.880
<v Speaker 2>The party informed me over the phone that the Greenleys

535
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.599
<v Speaker 2>family had written me a note and placed it where

536
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I had directed the payoff to take place. After receiving

537
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:17.880
<v Speaker 2>this explanation, I replied in a disguised voice, tonight and

538
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.199
<v Speaker 2>hung up. I did not go to the church to

539
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:24.079
<v Speaker 2>pick up the message they claimed to have left, as

540
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:29.280
<v Speaker 2>I was afraid it was a trap. Bonnie and I

541
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:32.599
<v Speaker 2>then returned to Saint Joseph, Missouri, in the rented ford

542
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.199
<v Speaker 2>and remained until Saturday afternoon, at which time we returned

543
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.920
<v Speaker 2>to Kansas City in the rented ford and laid out

544
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:44.079
<v Speaker 2>the payoff route in North Kansas City. We then rented

545
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.519
<v Speaker 2>a room in a motel or tourist court at the

546
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:50.639
<v Speaker 2>intersection of US Highways seventy one and sixty nine, using

547
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:53.480
<v Speaker 2>the name of mister and Missus V. B. Hetty and

548
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:57.599
<v Speaker 2>giving the address of either Boonville, Columbia or Sedalia, Missouri.

549
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:03.079
<v Speaker 2>About one thirty am Sunday, October fourth, I drove to

550
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Kansas City, Kansas with Bonnie and she was again inebriated.

551
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I placed another telephone call to the Greenleace residence from

552
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:15.079
<v Speaker 2>a payphone in the townhouse, Kansas City, Kansas, and told

553
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:19.360
<v Speaker 2>the answering party, after identifying myself as on previous occasions,

554
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:22.559
<v Speaker 2>to go to thirteenth in Summit, where they would find

555
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.360
<v Speaker 2>a note under a rock marked with a red cross.

556
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I had previously placed this note under the rock. The

557
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:33.039
<v Speaker 2>note directed the receiver to go to North Kansas City

558
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:35.840
<v Speaker 2>and drive up Highway one sixty nine to oak View

559
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Edition sign and there to look under another rock with

560
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.280
<v Speaker 2>a red cross where I had placed a note directing

561
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:44.960
<v Speaker 2>them to leave the money bag up a seldom use

562
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:48.719
<v Speaker 2>lane close to the Lum Farm off Highway sixty nine

563
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:53.199
<v Speaker 2>between Highways seventy one and one sixty nine. I then

564
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.679
<v Speaker 2>drove to Highway sixty nine near the above described scene

565
00:36:56.719 --> 00:37:00.880
<v Speaker 2>in the rented ford. Bonnie was with me but was asleep.

566
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:05.559
<v Speaker 2>I saw a dark Cadillac Sedan go by and assumed

567
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 2>it was a payoff car. I had no intention of

568
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.519
<v Speaker 2>trying to pick up the money that night, but did

569
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.000
<v Speaker 2>the drive down into the lane where I had instructed

570
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Greenlease to leave the Duffel bag. I did not see

571
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:22.440
<v Speaker 2>the bag at the designated spot. I then drove back

572
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.880
<v Speaker 2>to Kansas City, Kansas, and placed another telephone call from

573
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:30.599
<v Speaker 2>the paystation at the townhouse to the Greenlease residence. I

574
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:32.639
<v Speaker 2>was informed that they had left the money and that

575
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:35.159
<v Speaker 2>I should go back and look for it. I did

576
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.280
<v Speaker 2>drive back and look for it, but still could not

577
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.519
<v Speaker 2>find the money. I then drove to the ben Holt

578
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Hotel in North Kansas City, at which time I again

579
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.840
<v Speaker 2>called the Greenlease residence and was again told that the

580
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:49.280
<v Speaker 2>family had left the money as directed, but were then

581
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:51.280
<v Speaker 2>on their way back to pick it up for spear

582
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:55.559
<v Speaker 2>some unauthorized person or persons might find it. I advised

583
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:57.559
<v Speaker 2>him it was my mistake and I would call them

584
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:02.000
<v Speaker 2>later in the day. I recalled discussing with them about

585
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:05.079
<v Speaker 2>a definite attempt to make the payoff on Sunday, and

586
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.679
<v Speaker 2>that I would deliver Bobby to them within twenty four

587
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:11.760
<v Speaker 2>hours after I had received the money. Either in this

588
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:15.239
<v Speaker 2>conversation or the previous one, I talked with Missus Greenley's

589
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.400
<v Speaker 2>and she requested me to obtain the answers from Bobby

590
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:21.760
<v Speaker 2>concerning certain questions to prove to her that Bobby was

591
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:26.760
<v Speaker 2>still alive. I also recalled talking with Missus Greenlea's about

592
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:30.239
<v Speaker 2>the possibility of Bobby's being brought to the telephone in

593
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:33.679
<v Speaker 2>order that he could converse with her. I told Missus

594
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Greenlease that it was impossible to talk to her son

595
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.320
<v Speaker 2>because it would entail too much risk to get him

596
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:44.159
<v Speaker 2>to the telephone. I did not know if I accurately

597
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:48.239
<v Speaker 2>recall the questions she wanted answered, but believe one question

598
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:51.280
<v Speaker 2>pertained to the name of the chauffeur the Greenley's family

599
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:54.440
<v Speaker 2>had while visiting in Europe, and the other question was

600
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:56.920
<v Speaker 2>about what Bobby had built in his playroom the night

601
00:38:56.960 --> 00:39:01.039
<v Speaker 2>before he was kidnapped. I told Missus Greenlea'se I would

602
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:03.679
<v Speaker 2>endeavor to get Bobby to answer these questions for her

603
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.679
<v Speaker 2>and call her back within an hour. I knew all

604
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.599
<v Speaker 2>the time that Bobby was already dead, but when I

605
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:12.360
<v Speaker 2>returned the call to Missus Greenley's, I told her that

606
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Bobby had refused to answer the questions, and I again

607
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.079
<v Speaker 2>assured her that Bobby was alive and well, but homesick.

608
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.079
<v Speaker 2>I made some remark to her or one of the

609
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.800
<v Speaker 2>men who answered the phone relative to Bobby's telling me

610
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 2>that his parrot could whistle. I made this statement in

611
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.800
<v Speaker 2>an attempt to reassure the family that Bobby was still

612
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:33.800
<v Speaker 2>alive so that they would be certain to go through

613
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:41.360
<v Speaker 2>with the payoff. On Sunday, October fourth, Bonnie and I

614
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:44.960
<v Speaker 2>checked into Tiny and Marie's hotel on East Highway forty,

615
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:48.079
<v Speaker 2>taking the end cabin at the entrance on the right

616
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:51.960
<v Speaker 2>hand side. Bonnie had passed out and remained in bed

617
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:55.000
<v Speaker 2>all day. I then went out and started laying out

618
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:58.320
<v Speaker 2>the third payoff route and finally decided on a spot

619
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:02.840
<v Speaker 2>on County Road ten, running south off Highway forty. The

620
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:06.639
<v Speaker 2>exact spot was a bridge about a mile from Highway forty.

621
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.440
<v Speaker 2>I then returned to Kansas City, Missouri, in the rented

622
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:14.280
<v Speaker 2>ford at the Cat's drug Store located at Lynwood and Trust.

623
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.360
<v Speaker 2>I again called the Greenleas home and talked to a

624
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.400
<v Speaker 2>man who said he was mister Letterman. I apologized to

625
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:25.159
<v Speaker 2>mister Letterman for being delayed and making contact. I believe

626
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:28.840
<v Speaker 2>this call was made at approximately eight thirty PM on Sunday,

627
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>October fourth. I identified myself to mister Letterman as m and

628
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:36.440
<v Speaker 2>told mister Letterman that I was going to make the

629
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.880
<v Speaker 2>payoff very simple and that mister Letterman could expect the

630
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:43.440
<v Speaker 2>child back within twenty four hours. I also told mister

631
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.199
<v Speaker 2>Letterman to go to Pittsburgh, Kansas and wait for a

632
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:48.920
<v Speaker 2>message addressed to him in care of Western Union at

633
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:52.280
<v Speaker 2>that city. I stated this message would tell him where

634
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.679
<v Speaker 2>Bobby could be picked up. At this time, I told

635
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:58.440
<v Speaker 2>mister Letterman that I would call him at exactly eleven

636
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:03.199
<v Speaker 2>thirty pm. Due to the fact that I'd been drinking

637
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:06.880
<v Speaker 2>quite freely, I forgot to tell mister Letterman the location

638
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.280
<v Speaker 2>of the telephone, but recall that it was at hotel

639
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:15.119
<v Speaker 2>near Lynnwood and Truce, near the LaSalle Hotel. I finally

640
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:18.800
<v Speaker 2>advised mister Letterman that the hotel ended with the letters Shire,

641
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.000
<v Speaker 2>stating that I myself could not remember the correct name

642
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.079
<v Speaker 2>of the hotel in which the phone booth was located.

643
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.840
<v Speaker 2>I now know this to be the Berkshire Hotel. I

644
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:34.360
<v Speaker 2>called Letterman as arranged at exactly eleven PM, making the

645
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.000
<v Speaker 2>phone call from the payphone in a filling station on

646
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:40.800
<v Speaker 2>the south side of US Highway forty between Blue Ridge

647
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:44.440
<v Speaker 2>and Stevenson's Cafe. At the time of this call, I

648
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:48.360
<v Speaker 2>told Letterman to proceed east on US Highway forty past

649
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:52.079
<v Speaker 2>Stevenson's Cafe ten e, and then turned south on this

650
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:54.320
<v Speaker 2>road for about one mile until he came to a

651
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:57.960
<v Speaker 2>bridge where Letterman should throw the duffel bag containing the

652
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.480
<v Speaker 2>money on the right side of the road. On the

653
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:04.440
<v Speaker 2>north side of the bridge. I remember parking near this

654
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.159
<v Speaker 2>filling station from which I made a phone call, until

655
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I saw a dark Cadillac go by proceeding east on

656
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Highway forty with two men in it, whom I took

657
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:17.519
<v Speaker 2>to be mister Letterman and his partner. Bonnie was with

658
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:20.960
<v Speaker 2>me at the time of these negotiations, but as usual,

659
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:24.199
<v Speaker 2>she was inebriated and did not know the exact details

660
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:28.679
<v Speaker 2>of my transactions with the family. About three or four

661
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:32.400
<v Speaker 2>minutes after the Cadillac mentioned above past me, I drove

662
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.239
<v Speaker 2>the rented four down Road ten E south to the

663
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:38.840
<v Speaker 2>payoff spot, but did not observe the bag, so I

664
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:41.679
<v Speaker 2>proceeded on south a couple miles and then pulled off

665
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:45.840
<v Speaker 2>the road, turned around and headed back north. I turned

666
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:48.199
<v Speaker 2>off the motor and lights and waited about five to

667
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:51.199
<v Speaker 2>ten minutes until I saw car lights coming toward me.

668
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:55.559
<v Speaker 2>I then started up and drove toward the approaching cadillac,

669
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:59.880
<v Speaker 2>and the cars passed, going in opposite directions. In other words,

670
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.840
<v Speaker 2>I was going north and the Cadillac was going south.

671
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Bonnie was with me, and as soon as we crossed

672
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:08.920
<v Speaker 2>over the bridge, I stopped on the north side, got

673
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:11.400
<v Speaker 2>out and observed the Duffel bag in the spot which

674
00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:14.079
<v Speaker 2>I had designated. I picked up the bag and placed

675
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.840
<v Speaker 2>it in the trunk of the ford. I received the

676
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:22.480
<v Speaker 2>ransom about twelve thirty am Monday, October fifth, After getting

677
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.719
<v Speaker 2>the money. I drove back to Kansas City and made

678
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.079
<v Speaker 2>a telephone call from a bar located on the northwest

679
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:32.960
<v Speaker 2>corner thirty first and Forest to the Greenleace residence. I

680
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.599
<v Speaker 2>talked to mister Letterman and told him we got the bag.

681
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:39.559
<v Speaker 2>I also recalled stating we made more tonight than we

682
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 2>did all last week, and also remarked I might buy

683
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:48.679
<v Speaker 2>a Cadillac. In this conversation, I promised mister Letterman that

684
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:50.639
<v Speaker 2>I would send him a wire in care of the

685
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Western Union, Pittsburgh, Kansas, telling him where to pick up Bobby,

686
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:57.639
<v Speaker 2>and assuring him that Bobby was alive and well and

687
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.679
<v Speaker 2>full of hell. Of course, I knew that Bobby had

688
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:05.440
<v Speaker 2>been dead and buried since Monday afternoon, September twenty eighth.

689
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Prior to picking up the ransom money, Bonnie and I

690
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:11.159
<v Speaker 2>had checked out of the motel around eight or nine pm.

691
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.480
<v Speaker 2>I then realized I'd forgotten to change the license plate

692
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:18.239
<v Speaker 2>on the Ford and immediately became panicky, fearing that when

693
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I had passed the automobile containing mister Letterman, the license

694
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.599
<v Speaker 2>plate had been observed by mister Letterman, Therefore the car

695
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:28.280
<v Speaker 2>would be traced to me. Prior to this time I

696
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.559
<v Speaker 2>had considered going to Saint Louis, Missouri. I then told

697
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Bonnie that if we went back to Saint Joseph, the

698
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:37.119
<v Speaker 2>police would be waiting at the place for us. I

699
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:40.880
<v Speaker 2>believe mister Letterman obtained the license number, and that at

700
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the time my identity was known. Prior to this, I

701
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.719
<v Speaker 2>had obtained a quarter grain of morphine and had given

702
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:51.039
<v Speaker 2>myself an injection, and all during the evening I had

703
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:55.000
<v Speaker 2>stopped at various places to obtain whiskey. Bonnie and I

704
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.639
<v Speaker 2>also had a bottle of whiskey in the car. I

705
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:00.159
<v Speaker 2>had consumed a great deal of it and was in

706
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:03.119
<v Speaker 2>quite a drunken condition at the time we left Kansas

707
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:08.639
<v Speaker 2>City en route to Saint Louis. I drove the rented

708
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Ford from Kansas City to Saint Louis, Missouri, leaving Kansas

709
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:17.280
<v Speaker 2>City on Highway forty. I was quite heavily intoxicated. But

710
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:21.320
<v Speaker 2>do recall that shortly after leaving Kansas City, I stopped,

711
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:25.039
<v Speaker 2>changed plates on the rented Ford, took a flashlight and

712
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:28.000
<v Speaker 2>looked into the duffel bag. Worked a package of bills

713
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:31.000
<v Speaker 2>estimated in the amount of six thousand dollars through the

714
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:33.960
<v Speaker 2>opening in the Duffel bag and placed this money in

715
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:38.039
<v Speaker 2>my pocket. I also recall stopping at a filling station

716
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:41.800
<v Speaker 2>in an all night cafe at Boonville, Missouri. However, I

717
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:45.039
<v Speaker 2>cannot recall whether I made any purchases at this cafe,

718
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:48.599
<v Speaker 2>but I believe I did replenish the gasoline supply at

719
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the filling station. En route, Bonnie was sleeping, but periodically

720
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:57.920
<v Speaker 2>would waken, take another drink of whiskey, smoke another cigarette,

721
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.280
<v Speaker 2>and then go back to sleep. To the best of

722
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:04.760
<v Speaker 2>my recollection, Bonnie and I arrived in Saint Louis, Missouri

723
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:10.039
<v Speaker 2>about six am October fifth. We were still in possession

724
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:13.079
<v Speaker 2>of the Ford automobile, which had previously been rented at

725
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Saint Joseph, Missouri. We first stopped at a bar, and

726
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.639
<v Speaker 2>I made a telephone call to Barney Patten to contact

727
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:26.719
<v Speaker 2>mccordbell Automobile rental agency and destroyer alter the records reflecting

728
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:30.920
<v Speaker 2>that the Ford was rented in Bonnie Hetty's name. I

729
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:36.199
<v Speaker 2>believe this call was made to mister Patten's home. I

730
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.440
<v Speaker 2>called a taxi cab, believed to be a Yellow cab,

731
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:42.679
<v Speaker 2>and Bonnie and I proceeded to another bar. At around

732
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:47.440
<v Speaker 2>eight am. I remained in this bar for approximately thirty minutes,

733
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:50.119
<v Speaker 2>at which time I left in the yellow cab and

734
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:54.800
<v Speaker 2>purchased two suitcases from an army store, the location of

735
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:58.719
<v Speaker 2>which I do not recall. I returned to this bar

736
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 2>with the luggage, which I bought for the purpose of

737
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:06.079
<v Speaker 2>carrying the ransom money. After returning to this bar, the

738
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.800
<v Speaker 2>same cab driver, Bonnie, and I drove to where I

739
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:14.320
<v Speaker 2>had parked the blue Ford sedan. After paying the cab driver,

740
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Bonnie and I entered the Ford and drove around Saint

741
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Louis looking for a suitable place where we could transfer

742
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.320
<v Speaker 2>the ransom money from the Army duffel bag to the

743
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:30.000
<v Speaker 2>suitcases without attracting too much attention. I do not recall

744
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:33.880
<v Speaker 2>the exact address, but do recall driving into an alley

745
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.360
<v Speaker 2>and believe the street in front of the alley was wyoming.

746
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I got out of the Ford, opened up the trunk,

747
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.920
<v Speaker 2>removed the Army duffel bag, and then Bonnie and I

748
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.800
<v Speaker 2>endeavored to untie the knot on the duffel bag. In

749
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the excitement, I was fumbling and unable to quickly untie

750
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:58.639
<v Speaker 2>the knot, and Bonnie suggested that I cut the rope.

751
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.280
<v Speaker 2>I had a knife on a keychain, which I used

752
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.440
<v Speaker 2>to cut the rope. I then opened up the two

753
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:07.440
<v Speaker 2>suitcases and dumped the money from the duffel bag into

754
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:12.199
<v Speaker 2>the two suitcases. I do not recall whether or not

755
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.519
<v Speaker 2>the twenty dollars bills were on the top in the

756
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:18.480
<v Speaker 2>duffel bag, as we paid no attention to these details.

757
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:22.239
<v Speaker 2>It was daylight and we were taking a risk of

758
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:26.320
<v Speaker 2>being observed. A couple did drive up the alley, and

759
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.679
<v Speaker 2>I believe I exchanged some morning pleasantry with them, but

760
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:34.440
<v Speaker 2>carried on no conversation. Bonnie and I then put the

761
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.760
<v Speaker 2>suitcases in the trunk of the ford, disposed of the

762
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.440
<v Speaker 2>duffel bag in a garbage can at the point where

763
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:43.880
<v Speaker 2>we transferred the money, and drove the ford to a bar.

764
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I took the suitcases into the bar and had about

765
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:52.000
<v Speaker 2>two drinks, and left alone in the ford, which I

766
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:56.760
<v Speaker 2>abandoned somewhere in Saint Louis. I then called a yellow cab,

767
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:01.000
<v Speaker 2>returned to the bar, picked up Bonnie and the suitcases,

768
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:04.519
<v Speaker 2>and drove to another bar, believed to be located somewhere

769
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:08.599
<v Speaker 2>on King's Highway in Saint Louis. Here I made another

770
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:12.559
<v Speaker 2>telephone called a Barney Patten of Saint Joseph, to determine

771
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.559
<v Speaker 2>whether or not Patten had been successful, and having the

772
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:19.639
<v Speaker 2>records at mccordbell Automotive Rental Agency altered so that they

773
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:23.559
<v Speaker 2>would not reflect Bonnie Hetty had rented this car. I

774
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.400
<v Speaker 2>made these calls to Patent because I was afraid letterman

775
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:30.280
<v Speaker 2>and whoever accompanied him to deliver the ransom had observed

776
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:34.480
<v Speaker 2>the license plate of the Ford. While in this tavern,

777
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:37.199
<v Speaker 2>I left Bonnie at the bar and I walked to

778
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:41.320
<v Speaker 2>a motor company where I bought a red Nash. This

779
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Nash was purchased in view of the fact that I

780
00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:48.960
<v Speaker 2>desired transportation and had abandoned the Ford. I then drove

781
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.880
<v Speaker 2>back to the tavern where I had left Bonnie, and

782
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.239
<v Speaker 2>at approximately noon both of us left the tavern in

783
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:59.440
<v Speaker 2>the Nash Sedan. We left to look for an apartment,

784
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.960
<v Speaker 2>and some argument arose between Bonnie and me because she

785
00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:06.159
<v Speaker 2>desired to stay either in the Chase Hotel or a

786
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:09.880
<v Speaker 2>hotel out on King's Highway, and I desired to rent

787
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:13.599
<v Speaker 2>a quiet apartment where we could live unpretentiously and attract

788
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:18.599
<v Speaker 2>no attention. Bonnie was heavily intoxicated and put up quite

789
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:23.159
<v Speaker 2>an argument with me. Around noon, I made a phone

790
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:26.599
<v Speaker 2>call to a Missus Webb at forty five four Arsenal,

791
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Saint Louis and secured an apartment for Bonnie and me

792
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:35.000
<v Speaker 2>to reside in. Shortly thereafter we arrived at this address

793
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:38.119
<v Speaker 2>where I registered in this apartment using the name Grant.

794
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Bonnie was in a very drunken condition, and I believe

795
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:45.960
<v Speaker 2>I told the landlady that Bonnie was indisposed and ill,

796
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:49.199
<v Speaker 2>as I was afraid the the landlady would see Bonnie

797
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:53.800
<v Speaker 2>in her drunken condition. I was successful, however, in getting

798
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Bonnie into the apartment without creating any disturbance. I brought

799
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.679
<v Speaker 2>the suitcase containing the ransom money into the apartment and

800
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:05.880
<v Speaker 2>placed them in the clothes closet, staying for a few

801
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 2>minutes to have a drink, and then left alone in

802
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:13.039
<v Speaker 2>the Nash automobile and went to a tavern where I

803
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:17.519
<v Speaker 2>secured the services of a taxicab. On this occasion, I

804
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:20.960
<v Speaker 2>bought a small radio in order to listen to newscasts

805
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:25.679
<v Speaker 2>regarding developments in this case, particularly to determine whether or

806
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:29.400
<v Speaker 2>not the Ford automobile which we had rented had been identified.

807
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:34.199
<v Speaker 2>After purchasing the radio, I returned to the apartment where

808
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Bonnie was located. Shortly thereafter, I called another taxicab and

809
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:43.599
<v Speaker 2>stopped at a tavern to have a few drinks. I

810
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:46.320
<v Speaker 2>had been drinking quite heavily, but recall that at the

811
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:49.280
<v Speaker 2>time I left the Arsenal Street address, I took the

812
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:53.039
<v Speaker 2>two suitcases with me. Inasmuch as Bonnie was creating a

813
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:55.679
<v Speaker 2>great deal of argument about living in such a dump,

814
00:51:56.599 --> 00:51:58.519
<v Speaker 2>I was afraid that she would create a scene and

815
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:02.119
<v Speaker 2>that either of the neighbors, landlady or someone else would

816
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:05.440
<v Speaker 2>hear a conversation and called the police and our identities

817
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:09.039
<v Speaker 2>would be discovered. I went to a hotel believed to

818
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:12.159
<v Speaker 2>be the Jefferson Hotel, where I met a cab driver

819
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:15.719
<v Speaker 2>by the name of John Hager, and subsequently we transferred

820
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:20.400
<v Speaker 2>the two suitcases to Hager's cab. I am certain Hagar

821
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:24.400
<v Speaker 2>was driving for the Ace Taxi cab company of Saint Louis.

822
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:28.199
<v Speaker 2>In the conversation with Hager, I expressed a desire for

823
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:34.760
<v Speaker 2>some feminine companionship, and Hager made a phone call. Shortly thereafter,

824
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:38.159
<v Speaker 2>Hager introduced me to a girl whose last name was Odeay,

825
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:42.800
<v Speaker 2>and shortly following that Odey Hager and I went to

826
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:47.159
<v Speaker 2>another bar for some drinks. At this bar, I wrote

827
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:49.840
<v Speaker 2>a note to Bonnie advising her that I had left,

828
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:51.920
<v Speaker 2>but that I would get in touch with her later.

829
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:56.719
<v Speaker 2>At around four thirty pm, Odey Hager and I left

830
00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 2>this bar to secure a motel. I stopped at drug store,

831
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:05.079
<v Speaker 2>purchased some shaving equipment, and gave Hagar instructions to have

832
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:08.519
<v Speaker 2>another cab driver deliver the note which I had previously

833
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:13.119
<v Speaker 2>written to Bonnie at the Arsenal Street address. I recall

834
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:19.000
<v Speaker 2>instructing him to ask for Missus Grant. Shortly thereafter, O'Day

835
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Hagar and I shopped at a liquor store believed to

836
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:26.360
<v Speaker 2>be located on or near Highway sixty six in Saint Louis.

837
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Around five point thirty we arrived at the Coral Court,

838
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:33.960
<v Speaker 2>where I registered for myself and Oday as mister and

839
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Missus Robert White. In cabin forty nine A. O'Day Hagar

840
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:42.119
<v Speaker 2>and I had several drinks, and I then instructed the

841
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:45.639
<v Speaker 2>cab driver, Hagar, to go to downtown Saint Louis and

842
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:49.159
<v Speaker 2>purchase some clothing for me, giving him the sizes and

843
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:53.599
<v Speaker 2>description of the clothing desired. O'Day and I stayed at

844
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:57.800
<v Speaker 2>the Coral Court Motel. At about ten PM, Hagar returned

845
00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:03.280
<v Speaker 2>with the clothing. Thereafter, Odey, Hagar and I left to

846
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:06.199
<v Speaker 2>have dinner, which I believe was at the Harbor Inn

847
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:11.599
<v Speaker 2>in Saint Louis. At around eleven thirty PM, we returned

848
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:16.000
<v Speaker 2>to the Coral Court Motel. The three of us Odell, Hagar,

849
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:19.960
<v Speaker 2>and myself stayed at the motel drinking until around midnight,

850
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:24.239
<v Speaker 2>when I instructed Hagar to leave. I requested him to

851
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:28.360
<v Speaker 2>buy another suitcase a briefcase, and to rent an automobile

852
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.800
<v Speaker 2>for my use. On the following day, which would be

853
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:36.480
<v Speaker 2>October sixth, nineteen fifty three, Oday, and I stayed at

854
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:40.639
<v Speaker 2>the Coral Court. We arose about nine am October sixth.

855
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:44.039
<v Speaker 2>At this time I wrote a letter to mister Barney Patten,

856
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:48.199
<v Speaker 2>attorney in Saint Joseph, and gave Sandra Odey one thousand

857
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:51.679
<v Speaker 2>dollars to proceed to Los Angeles to mail this letter

858
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:55.199
<v Speaker 2>for me to Patent. I did this because I thought

859
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:57.679
<v Speaker 2>if I had been identified as one of the kidnappers,

860
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:00.440
<v Speaker 2>no doubt the FBI would check all my my own

861
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:03.880
<v Speaker 2>associates and friends in Saint Joseph and among them would

862
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:06.840
<v Speaker 2>be patent. I thought of pat and received a letter

863
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:10.760
<v Speaker 2>from me in my own handwriting, postmarked Los Angeles, California.

864
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:14.239
<v Speaker 2>It would throw the FBI off the trail, inasmuch as

865
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:19.400
<v Speaker 2>I was actually proceeding in the opposite direction. Around ten am,

866
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Hagar returned to the Coral Court with a nineteen fifty

867
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.960
<v Speaker 2>two Chevrolet, which Haygard claimed he had rented at a

868
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:29.440
<v Speaker 2>car rental agency, and also brought with him the suitcase

869
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:33.400
<v Speaker 2>and briefcase which I had instructed him to purchase. Around

870
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:37.000
<v Speaker 2>eleven am, Hagar and Oday left for Odey's home, as

871
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:41.599
<v Speaker 2>Oday was taking a plane to Los Angeles. About one PM,

872
00:55:41.719 --> 00:55:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Hagar and I left in the rented car, in the

873
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:47.119
<v Speaker 2>trunk of which I had placed the suitcases containing the

874
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:50.719
<v Speaker 2>ransom money. I do not recall exactly where I dropped

875
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:54.079
<v Speaker 2>Hagar off, but I proceeded alone to a hardware store,

876
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:57.480
<v Speaker 2>where I purchased two garbage cans, a shovel, and some

877
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:02.000
<v Speaker 2>plastic spray. At this time, it was my honest intention

878
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:04.800
<v Speaker 2>to find a secluded spot where I could safely bury

879
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:08.880
<v Speaker 2>the ransom money for future use. I proceeded west on

880
00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:12.599
<v Speaker 2>Highway sixty six, but not having found a suitable place.

881
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I discarded the garbage cans near a river. I returned

882
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:20.000
<v Speaker 2>to Saint Louis proper, contacted John Hager and had him

883
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:23.320
<v Speaker 2>rent an apartment for me at the Townhouse. I then

884
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:26.599
<v Speaker 2>went to a bar for some drinks. As I recall,

885
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:29.639
<v Speaker 2>I stayed at this bar until around four pm, when

886
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Hagar returned and we then went over to the Coral

887
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Court motel. Around five pm, Hagar and I left the

888
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:41.760
<v Speaker 2>tourist court to purchase some shoes and other more substantial clothing.

889
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:46.320
<v Speaker 2>After purchasing clothing and securing some food, Hagar and I

890
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:51.320
<v Speaker 2>returned to the Coral Court motel. Around seven thirty pm.

891
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Hagar and I arrived at the townhouse, taking the ransom

892
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:59.320
<v Speaker 2>money into the room with us. Hager left the apartment

893
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:03.119
<v Speaker 2>and was to return about eight pm with additional supplies.

894
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:06.480
<v Speaker 2>At about eight pm, I heard a knock on the door,

895
00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:09.199
<v Speaker 2>and thinking it was Hagar, I opened the door and

896
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:12.400
<v Speaker 2>was arrested by an officer of the Saint Louis Police Department.

897
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.920
<v Speaker 2>I was taken into custody and was booked at a

898
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:21.599
<v Speaker 2>precinct police station. Around eight forty five or nine pm October.

899
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:39.800
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900
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:44.239
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901
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Regarding my arrest. As I opened the door, I first

902
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:02.079
<v Speaker 2>saw a uniformed officer large plain clothed man wearing a

903
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:06.480
<v Speaker 2>double breasted blue suit. The uniformed officer had a gun

904
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:09.480
<v Speaker 2>in his hand, and the other plane closed individual was

905
00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:13.599
<v Speaker 2>not observed to have a gun drawn. The armed officer

906
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:17.320
<v Speaker 2>stepped around the threshold, and the larger individual informed me

907
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:21.079
<v Speaker 2>I was under arrest and requested me to raise my hands.

908
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:25.000
<v Speaker 2>I was standing near the door. After taking a step

909
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:29.079
<v Speaker 2>or two back into the room from the door. At

910
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:31.840
<v Speaker 2>that point, the larger officer advised me that they were

911
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:36.119
<v Speaker 2>bonifide officers. When I was told I was under arrest,

912
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.840
<v Speaker 2>I asked the officer what the hell for. The larger

913
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:43.000
<v Speaker 2>man informed me to never mind the questions and instructed

914
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:46.519
<v Speaker 2>me to sit down. At this point, the larger man

915
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:50.159
<v Speaker 2>searched me briefly and reached into my breast pocket and

916
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:53.360
<v Speaker 2>removed the keys from the pocket to the suitcases which

917
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:56.800
<v Speaker 2>contained the ransom money and which were located in the

918
00:58:56.840 --> 00:59:00.400
<v Speaker 2>clothes closet of this apartment. I was instructed to take

919
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:03.599
<v Speaker 2>my coat off and believe a continued search may have

920
00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:05.960
<v Speaker 2>been made of this code after I had removed it.

921
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I believe I laid the coat over a chair, and

922
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:12.480
<v Speaker 2>at this point I was instructed by the uniformed officer

923
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.760
<v Speaker 2>to sit down, being directed to an overstuffed chair in

924
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:19.280
<v Speaker 2>the living room of this apartment. At this time, the

925
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:22.159
<v Speaker 2>uniformed officer was standing in front and to the left

926
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:25.320
<v Speaker 2>of me, gun in hand, and I believe I asked

927
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:28.639
<v Speaker 2>permission to obtain a drink of whiskey, which was refused

928
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:33.239
<v Speaker 2>by the uniformed officer. I asked the uniformed officer what

929
00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:36.280
<v Speaker 2>the arrest was all about, and the officer advised me

930
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:40.360
<v Speaker 2>that he did not know. At this point, the large

931
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:44.280
<v Speaker 2>ununiformed officer went into the closet out of sight, to

932
00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:49.360
<v Speaker 2>where the suitcases containing the ransom money were located. Shortly

933
00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:52.679
<v Speaker 2>after the large man entered the closet, I heard a

934
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:56.039
<v Speaker 2>click which indicated that one of the suitcases had been opened.

935
00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:00.480
<v Speaker 2>At this point, I stated to the uniformed officer, the

936
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:04.360
<v Speaker 2>jig is up. The large man then came out of

937
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.280
<v Speaker 2>the clothes closet and made no mention of seeing a

938
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:12.239
<v Speaker 2>large amount of money in the suitcases. The ununiformed officer

939
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:15.639
<v Speaker 2>then walked to the briefcase, picked it up, and walked

940
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:18.639
<v Speaker 2>to a point six feet in front of me. At

941
01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:21.960
<v Speaker 2>this time, the briefcase contained my wallet, which had twenty

942
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:24.559
<v Speaker 2>four hundred or twenty five hundred dollars and twenty dollars

943
01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:28.920
<v Speaker 2>bills which were plainly visible, and inside the briefcase itself

944
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:33.119
<v Speaker 2>was approximately twenty thousand dollars and twenty dollars bills, all

945
01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:36.760
<v Speaker 2>having been previously taken from the duffel bag containing the

946
01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:41.280
<v Speaker 2>ransom money. At this point, the ununiformed officer asked me,

947
01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:44.800
<v Speaker 2>what's all this dough Where'd you get it? I replied

948
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:48.000
<v Speaker 2>that the money was mine and informed the officers that

949
01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:50.679
<v Speaker 2>I was in the liquor business with a brother in Illinois,

950
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:54.800
<v Speaker 2>and that my present residence was in Kirkwood, Missouri. I

951
01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:57.840
<v Speaker 2>made this statement as Hagar had furnished me with fictitious

952
01:00:57.880 --> 01:01:01.320
<v Speaker 2>identification of papers which bore the name of John D.

953
01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Byrne of Kirkwood, Missouri. At this time, the large ununiformed

954
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:12.519
<v Speaker 2>officer finished looking in my briefcase, closed it in my presence,

955
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:15.320
<v Speaker 2>and informed me he was putting it back exactly where

956
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:19.440
<v Speaker 2>he got it. This man continued to look through my identification,

957
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:23.079
<v Speaker 2>which prompted me to inquire what the arrest was all about,

958
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:26.199
<v Speaker 2>and a large man informed me he would tell me

959
01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:29.760
<v Speaker 2>when he got ready. I was then instructed to put

960
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:32.639
<v Speaker 2>on my coat, and the two officers and I left

961
01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:37.800
<v Speaker 2>the apartment. Just prior to the arrival of the arresting officers,

962
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:40.519
<v Speaker 2>I had taken inventory of the money in my possession

963
01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:44.440
<v Speaker 2>and made some notations on an envelope. This was a

964
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:48.599
<v Speaker 2>plain wide envelope, and the numbers twenty one, four and

965
01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:51.400
<v Speaker 2>one or two other numbers had been placed thereon by me.

966
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:55.559
<v Speaker 2>These numbers represented the thousands of dollars which I had

967
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:59.360
<v Speaker 2>removed from the ransom money, and I finally estimated that

968
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I definitely had between five hundred and sixty thousand and

969
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:05.920
<v Speaker 2>five hundred and seventy thousand dollars in the two suitcases

970
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:09.880
<v Speaker 2>in the closet. The other side of the envelope contained

971
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:13.000
<v Speaker 2>a list of several items of clothing which I intended

972
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:17.000
<v Speaker 2>to purchase the following day. At no time while I

973
01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:19.559
<v Speaker 2>was in the presence of the officers in my apartment

974
01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:23.199
<v Speaker 2>was any search made for a gun. I was asked

975
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:25.119
<v Speaker 2>if I had a gun, and I replied that I

976
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:29.840
<v Speaker 2>did not on leaving the apartment, I closed the door myself.

977
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:33.679
<v Speaker 2>As I stepped out of the door, both officers were there,

978
01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:35.800
<v Speaker 2>and one of them made a remark about how to

979
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:39.199
<v Speaker 2>emerge from the apartment. I do not know why, but

980
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:42.599
<v Speaker 2>the large officer stayed at the door, and the uniformed

981
01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:45.239
<v Speaker 2>officer and I walked the entire length of the building

982
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:47.960
<v Speaker 2>looking for the rear steps leading from the third floor.

983
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:51.920
<v Speaker 2>We were unable to locate any steps there, and as

984
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:54.719
<v Speaker 2>we turned to go back, looking up the hallway, I

985
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:57.079
<v Speaker 2>noticed a man standing at the end of the hallway

986
01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:00.599
<v Speaker 2>facing my room. I am not positive, but this man

987
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:02.960
<v Speaker 2>appeared to be talking to someone in the direction of

988
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:05.320
<v Speaker 2>my room, but I was not able to hear any

989
01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:09.280
<v Speaker 2>of the conversation. This individual was wearing a light tan

990
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:12.960
<v Speaker 2>snap brim hat, a pair of rust colored slacks with

991
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:16.400
<v Speaker 2>matching jacket, which was a short jacket gathered at the

992
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:20.679
<v Speaker 2>belt line. This man was about medium height and decidedly slender.

993
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:23.519
<v Speaker 2>I can give no further description of him, as I

994
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:27.400
<v Speaker 2>observed only his profile. I am positive this man was

995
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.719
<v Speaker 2>not John Hager and that I have never before seen

996
01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:34.480
<v Speaker 2>this individual. When the uniformed officer and I arrived at

997
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:36.320
<v Speaker 2>the end of the hall to go down to my room.

998
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:41.360
<v Speaker 2>This man disappeared. At this time, the uniformed officer and

999
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:44.119
<v Speaker 2>I met the large plane clothes officer at the head

1000
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:46.920
<v Speaker 2>of the steps. As we walked, I was looking for

1001
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the green automobile which Hager had rented for me, but

1002
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:53.719
<v Speaker 2>I did not see it. The two officers and I

1003
01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:56.400
<v Speaker 2>proceeded to the police car, which was parked a short

1004
01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:59.440
<v Speaker 2>distance away from the front entrance of the building. We

1005
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.360
<v Speaker 2>all three got in the front seat of the car

1006
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:05.079
<v Speaker 2>and proceeded to the police station, with the uniformed officer

1007
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:09.400
<v Speaker 2>driving the car and I seated between them. Up to

1008
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:11.880
<v Speaker 2>this time, there had been no conversation about the money

1009
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:15.559
<v Speaker 2>in the suitcases, and I believed there was a possibility

1010
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:19.239
<v Speaker 2>the big ununiformed officer had not seen all of this money.

1011
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Neither the money nor the suitcase were brought to the

1012
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:26.599
<v Speaker 2>station with me. I am positive neither of the officers

1013
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:30.360
<v Speaker 2>carried any suitcases or briefcase when we left the apartment

1014
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:34.360
<v Speaker 2>for the squad car. After arriving at the police station,

1015
01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:38.440
<v Speaker 2>the larger ununiformed officer told me that my arrest had

1016
01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:42.079
<v Speaker 2>been predicated upon receipt of a complaint from an unknown

1017
01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:45.360
<v Speaker 2>woman that a man in my apartment was carrying a gun.

1018
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:48.559
<v Speaker 2>He said we would all go down to the station

1019
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:51.000
<v Speaker 2>and I would be checked and if cleared, I would

1020
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:55.719
<v Speaker 2>be released. At the time of my arrest in the apartment,

1021
01:04:55.760 --> 01:05:00.039
<v Speaker 2>there was no apparent search made for any firearm. The

1022
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:02.960
<v Speaker 2>gun was located in the compartment in the drawer of

1023
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:07.079
<v Speaker 2>the telephone table. The trip to the police station consumed

1024
01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:11.320
<v Speaker 2>approximately ten minutes, and upon arrival, I was searched and

1025
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:16.000
<v Speaker 2>my wristwatch, cigarette lighter, ballpoint, papermate, pen, and seven or

1026
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:18.800
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred dollars in money were taken from my pockets

1027
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:22.000
<v Speaker 2>and I was given a receipt which I also signed

1028
01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:26.239
<v Speaker 2>as John Byrne. I was placed in a cell in

1029
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:30.360
<v Speaker 2>about two or three hours later, the large, ununiformed officer

1030
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:32.840
<v Speaker 2>stated that I must be one of the kidnappers of

1031
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Bobby Greenlea's as I had considerable money in those suitcases,

1032
01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:40.239
<v Speaker 2>and he told me we cannot hold this up much

1033
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:43.280
<v Speaker 2>longer from the FBI. Give me the facts and I'll

1034
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:48.599
<v Speaker 2>get a promotion. The large officer then left. He returned

1035
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:52.119
<v Speaker 2>in about fifteen or twenty minutes and questioned me concerning

1036
01:05:52.159 --> 01:05:55.920
<v Speaker 2>the whereabouts of this woman who was implicated in this kidnapping.

1037
01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:00.119
<v Speaker 2>The officer then took me out of the cell, and

1038
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:03.719
<v Speaker 2>I believed that about four other officers joined us. We

1039
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:06.679
<v Speaker 2>all left police headquarters in order to have me locate

1040
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Bonnie's apartment. I directed them to the Arsenal Street address,

1041
01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:14.360
<v Speaker 2>where Bonnie was taken into custody and I was returned

1042
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:18.280
<v Speaker 2>to police headquarters by two of the officers. During the

1043
01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:22.280
<v Speaker 2>time I was incarcerated and immediately after my arrest, I

1044
01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:25.960
<v Speaker 2>made several attempts at conversation with the jailer to contact

1045
01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:29.920
<v Speaker 2>the large, ununiformed officer who had booked me. I was

1046
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:32.320
<v Speaker 2>informed by the jailer that he had been unable to

1047
01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:35.360
<v Speaker 2>reach this officer and assumed that the officer was busy

1048
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:39.159
<v Speaker 2>with the chief of police. I never saw my suitcases

1049
01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:41.760
<v Speaker 2>after I left the apartment from the time of my arrest,

1050
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:44.559
<v Speaker 2>with the exception of one time at the police station.

1051
01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:47.800
<v Speaker 2>While in the station, I was being removed to another

1052
01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:50.559
<v Speaker 2>room for interview, and as I passed a door, I

1053
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:53.679
<v Speaker 2>observed the corner of one of these suitcases and saw

1054
01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:56.679
<v Speaker 2>some money in it. At the time of my arrest,

1055
01:06:57.199 --> 01:06:59.840
<v Speaker 2>I had been drinking, but definitely was not drunk or

1056
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:03.079
<v Speaker 2>under the influence of narcotics and was aware of the

1057
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:07.320
<v Speaker 2>incidents which transpired during my arrest. I'm certain that at

1058
01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the time of my arrest, I had about five hundred

1059
01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:13.280
<v Speaker 2>and seventy thousand dollars in the two suitcases and about

1060
01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:19.119
<v Speaker 2>twenty two thousand dollars in my briefcase. Signed Carl Austin Hall,

1061
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:37.440
<v Speaker 2>October seventh, nineteen fifty three, declining to reveal the name

1062
01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:41.519
<v Speaker 2>of the tipster Husky. Lieutenant Lewis Shoulders of the Newstead

1063
01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Avenue District gave reporters the following account of the arrest

1064
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:51.639
<v Speaker 2>of Carl Austin Hall and Bonnie Brown Heady, the confessed kidnappers.

1065
01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Quote about three thirty pm yesterday, I received a telephone

1066
01:07:57.000 --> 01:07:59.559
<v Speaker 2>call on my private line here at the station from

1067
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.599
<v Speaker 2>a man. He said, if you meet me about seven

1068
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:05.400
<v Speaker 2>point thirty to night at Union and Pershing, I'll give

1069
01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:08.280
<v Speaker 2>you something plenty hot. I don't know what it is,

1070
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:11.079
<v Speaker 2>but it is a guy with a big revolver and

1071
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:14.199
<v Speaker 2>he's been spending plenty of money. I'll give you the

1072
01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:17.359
<v Speaker 2>information if you don't reveal my name. I'm afraid of

1073
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:20.920
<v Speaker 2>him and I don't want to get killed. I took

1074
01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:24.600
<v Speaker 2>patrolman Elmer Dolan with me to the meeting at Union

1075
01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:27.960
<v Speaker 2>and Pershing. Our informant was there and told us that

1076
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:31.039
<v Speaker 2>the man he suspected was in apartment three oh three

1077
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:35.159
<v Speaker 2>of the townhouse and was expecting him. He said he

1078
01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:37.279
<v Speaker 2>had agreed to take a girl to the apartment at

1079
01:08:37.319 --> 01:08:40.960
<v Speaker 2>eight o'clock and the man would not be suspicious. We

1080
01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:44.159
<v Speaker 2>are instructed to knock three times and call out, Steve,

1081
01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:47.720
<v Speaker 2>this is John. We went to the apartment and Dolan

1082
01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:50.640
<v Speaker 2>knocked on the door and gave the signal Steve, this

1083
01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:54.680
<v Speaker 2>is John. A man in the apartment replied okay and

1084
01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:58.600
<v Speaker 2>opened the door. We nailed him and placed him under arrest.

1085
01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:01.920
<v Speaker 2>He had no weapon on him, but his wallet contained

1086
01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:06.159
<v Speaker 2>more than seven hundred dollars. There were two new suitcases

1087
01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:09.079
<v Speaker 2>in the apartment, and when I opened them, they were

1088
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:11.680
<v Speaker 2>full of the money. It turned out later to be

1089
01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:15.720
<v Speaker 2>three hundred thousand dollars, all in ten and twenty dollars bills.

1090
01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:18.399
<v Speaker 2>As soon as I saw that cash, I knew our

1091
01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:23.600
<v Speaker 2>prisoner must be one of the Kansas City kidnappers. Shoulders

1092
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:26.640
<v Speaker 2>and Dolan took the prisoner to the police station, where

1093
01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:30.359
<v Speaker 2>he identified himself as Hall and readily admitted he was

1094
01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:36.319
<v Speaker 2>the long sought kidnapper. Dolan returned to the apartment and

1095
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:39.720
<v Speaker 2>after a thorough search, found a snubnosed thirty eight caliber

1096
01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:43.560
<v Speaker 2>revolver in the drawer of a telephone desk. The weapon

1097
01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:47.680
<v Speaker 2>contained five cartridges. Hall told us he had left Bonnie

1098
01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Hetty in a room they had rented in South Saint Louis.

1099
01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:53.880
<v Speaker 2>He said he did not know the address, but could

1100
01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:57.039
<v Speaker 2>take us to the house about midnight. I sent a

1101
01:09:57.079 --> 01:10:00.479
<v Speaker 2>detail of officers with him, and they found Bonnie sleep

1102
01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:03.199
<v Speaker 2>in a room in a house at forty five four

1103
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Arsenal Street. When they brought her in, she admitted she

1104
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:10.079
<v Speaker 2>was the woman who took Bobby Greenlease from the Kansas

1105
01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:14.760
<v Speaker 2>City School. After we determined there were about three hundred

1106
01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:18.399
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars in the two suitcases, I asked Cal where

1107
01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:21.800
<v Speaker 2>the balance of the six hundred thousand dollars was. He

1108
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:24.159
<v Speaker 2>said that after he left Bonnie head he drunk at

1109
01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:27.439
<v Speaker 2>the Arsenal Street house. Monday, he met another woman through

1110
01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:30.119
<v Speaker 2>a taxi driver and spent the night with her at

1111
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:34.720
<v Speaker 2>a tourist court on US Highway sixty six. When she

1112
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:37.720
<v Speaker 2>was preparing to leave in a taxi cab yesterday morning.

1113
01:10:37.800 --> 01:10:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Hall gave her money, he said. He said he thought

1114
01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:43.119
<v Speaker 2>he gave the girl two thousand or three thousand, but

1115
01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:45.359
<v Speaker 2>it could have been a lot more because he was

1116
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:49.039
<v Speaker 2>pretty drunk. Hall left the tourist court in a taxi

1117
01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:52.199
<v Speaker 2>cab and had the driver rent an automobile for him.

1118
01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:55.520
<v Speaker 2>He drove to the townhouse and rented the apartment at

1119
01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:58.359
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and eighty five dollars a month. It was

1120
01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:00.680
<v Speaker 2>his intention. He told us to hole up for a

1121
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:04.399
<v Speaker 2>month before the heat was off. Before leaving the taxi

1122
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:08.239
<v Speaker 2>cab driver, Hall gave the driver several thousand dollars with

1123
01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:10.760
<v Speaker 2>instructions to buy him some new clothes and bring the

1124
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:15.119
<v Speaker 2>garments to the townhouse. Later, police learned that the woman

1125
01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:19.039
<v Speaker 2>with whom the kidnappers spent the night later telegraphed her aunt,

1126
01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:23.319
<v Speaker 2>with whom she made her home from Kansas City. Before

1127
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:26.640
<v Speaker 2>her hasty departure, she sent a taxi cab driver to

1128
01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:30.279
<v Speaker 2>her home on North ninth Street for additional apparel and

1129
01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:33.279
<v Speaker 2>with two hundred dollars for the ant. The young woman,

1130
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:36.039
<v Speaker 2>described as twenty two years old and the mother of

1131
01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:45.960
<v Speaker 2>a small daughter, has no police record. Jefferson City, Missouri,

1132
01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:54.560
<v Speaker 2>December eighteenth, nineteen fifty three. In the four weeks they

1133
01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:58.319
<v Speaker 2>spent in death Row, Hall and missus Hetty were regarded

1134
01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:03.720
<v Speaker 2>as docile prisoners. Condemned prisoners are not allowed outside their cells,

1135
01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:06.119
<v Speaker 2>and the only time they emerged was to walk a

1136
01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:09.760
<v Speaker 2>few feet to take a bath from a specially constructed shower.

1137
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:14.479
<v Speaker 2>The two were separated by six cells. They were given

1138
01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:18.479
<v Speaker 2>food from the officer's mess, and special precautions were taken

1139
01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:22.399
<v Speaker 2>to see that neither was poisoned. The resentment of the

1140
01:12:22.399 --> 01:12:25.920
<v Speaker 2>inmates here being deep and sharp because they feel Hall

1141
01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:30.920
<v Speaker 2>may have jeopardized their own future paroles. Hall was released

1142
01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:34.640
<v Speaker 2>on a taxi cab robbery conviction last April because the

1143
01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:38.119
<v Speaker 2>parole board considered him a good risk. He had no

1144
01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:41.720
<v Speaker 2>prison demerits against him, had never been in trouble before,

1145
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:45.600
<v Speaker 2>came from a fine Kansas family, and was discharged under

1146
01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:49.760
<v Speaker 2>honorable conditions from the Marine Corps after four years of service,

1147
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:53.960
<v Speaker 2>some of it in combat in the Pacific. Hall and

1148
01:12:54.079 --> 01:12:57.720
<v Speaker 2>missus Hetty upset the usual pattern that fiction writers follow.

1149
01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:01.680
<v Speaker 2>They were not hardened criminals. They had led a respectable

1150
01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:07.039
<v Speaker 2>life until divorce turned her to excessive drinking. Hall apparently

1151
01:13:07.079 --> 01:13:11.000
<v Speaker 2>became money mad after squandering his two hundred thousand dollars inheritance,

1152
01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:16.000
<v Speaker 2>and believed society consisted mostly of little people far beneath them.

1153
01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Neither their appearance nor their background fitted the two as criminals.

1154
01:13:21.239 --> 01:13:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Hall was five feet nine inches tall, weigh one hundred

1155
01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:28.079
<v Speaker 2>and eighty pounds, had auburn hair and blue eyes. His

1156
01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:32.840
<v Speaker 2>appearance was described as nice to rather handsome. Missus Hetty

1157
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:36.359
<v Speaker 2>liked fine clothes and was always well groomed. She was

1158
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:38.439
<v Speaker 2>five feet three and a half inches tall, weighed one

1159
01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:41.920
<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty pounds, and was definitely of an attractive type,

1160
01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:46.520
<v Speaker 2>with brown hair and sparkling brown eyes. During their stay

1161
01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:49.039
<v Speaker 2>and death row, they caused no trouble and made no

1162
01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:54.800
<v Speaker 2>unusual requests. Both began reading the Bible shortly after being admitted.

1163
01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Missus Hetty, the calmer of the two, tried to stay

1164
01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:03.239
<v Speaker 2>well groomed. Each letters to mister missus Greenlea's begging forgiveness.

1165
01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:07.359
<v Speaker 2>They ate well even up into the last meal. While

1166
01:14:07.399 --> 01:14:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Hall's expression became hard and unyielding in the final days,

1167
01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:15.399
<v Speaker 2>Missus Hetty seemed to maintain a serene expression. This is

1168
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:18.399
<v Speaker 2>what I wanted, she said of the death sentence. I

1169
01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:22.279
<v Speaker 2>could not have stood a life in prison. There were

1170
01:14:22.359 --> 01:14:27.079
<v Speaker 2>requests variously estimated at around ten thousand for permits to

1171
01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:31.600
<v Speaker 2>witness the execution. There were thousands of letters that flowed

1172
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:34.640
<v Speaker 2>into Jefferson City from all parts of the nation directed

1173
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:39.319
<v Speaker 2>to the pair, some bitterly denunciatory, others offering prayers and

1174
01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:43.119
<v Speaker 2>spiritual hope. The two were not allowed to see any

1175
01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:46.840
<v Speaker 2>of the letters. At least fifty persons wrote directly to

1176
01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Governor phil Donnelly asking clemency, although he was without authority

1177
01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:54.920
<v Speaker 2>to interfere in any way. He turned the letters over

1178
01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:59.960
<v Speaker 2>to the federal government. And arbor in the prison yard

1179
01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:04.039
<v Speaker 2>was draped with Christmas trimmings, and a nearby tree gleamed

1180
01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:08.119
<v Speaker 2>with bright bobbles. These were part of decorations put up

1181
01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:13.399
<v Speaker 2>by convicts. There was no sign of any demonstration by

1182
01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:17.079
<v Speaker 2>the twenty five hundred inmates as the hour reached midnight.

1183
01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:21.439
<v Speaker 2>Within the walls, it was a normal quiet night. Prison

1184
01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:26.039
<v Speaker 2>officials noted that on previous occasions of executions in the penitentiary,

1185
01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:30.279
<v Speaker 2>the inmates sometimes would rattle their sall bars. At the time,

1186
01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:33.840
<v Speaker 2>a condemned prisoner was walking down death Row toward the

1187
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:39.079
<v Speaker 2>gas chamber. This time, the only manifestation was a few

1188
01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:43.359
<v Speaker 2>shouts from nearby cell blocks as the witnesses paraded down

1189
01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:49.479
<v Speaker 2>to the gas chamber. The group climbed the seven steep

1190
01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:52.680
<v Speaker 2>stone steps to the ground level landing of the building

1191
01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:56.279
<v Speaker 2>and then pushed through the large double doors to the outside.

1192
01:15:56.319 --> 01:15:59.920
<v Speaker 2>In the sharp night air, The two groups entered so

1193
01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:03.640
<v Speaker 2>separate motor cars that awaited outside of b Hall. The

1194
01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:07.479
<v Speaker 2>gears meshed and they drove slowly past the long school building,

1195
01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:11.520
<v Speaker 2>went east between the school and the plumbing shops, halted

1196
01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:14.520
<v Speaker 2>momentarily while the gate was opened, and then rolled out

1197
01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:19.680
<v Speaker 2>onto the recreation field. The cars went down a small incline,

1198
01:16:20.119 --> 01:16:23.399
<v Speaker 2>passed a withered rose arbor and the little white stone

1199
01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:26.920
<v Speaker 2>crosses embedded in the concrete walk that leads to the

1200
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:32.479
<v Speaker 2>gas chamber building. They stopped just outside the building. Big

1201
01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:36.960
<v Speaker 2>spotlights stabbed the recreation field with hard rays of eerie light.

1202
01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Guards paced around the gas Chamber building while other guards

1203
01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:46.399
<v Speaker 2>on the wall towers maintained a sharp alert as extraordinary

1204
01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:51.439
<v Speaker 2>precautions were taken to assure a precision procedure for the execution.

1205
01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Although most condemned prisoners are given a haircut before being executed.

1206
01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Halls was rather long. Her brown hair was also long,

1207
01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:07.800
<v Speaker 2>but neatly done up. Missus Hetty wore a bright green

1208
01:17:07.880 --> 01:17:11.159
<v Speaker 2>cotton prison dress and a pair of scuff type sandals.

1209
01:17:12.039 --> 01:17:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Hall had on regulation prison pants and a shirt of

1210
01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:20.840
<v Speaker 2>olive green twill. He also wore shoes without laces but

1211
01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:25.840
<v Speaker 2>no belt. Their legs were bare. On the way down

1212
01:17:25.880 --> 01:17:29.000
<v Speaker 2>from death row, missus Hetty was kept warm in the

1213
01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:32.720
<v Speaker 2>twelve degree cold by a coat thrown over her shoulders

1214
01:17:32.720 --> 01:17:38.239
<v Speaker 2>by missus Tapman. The Marshal's wife, Missus Tatman, stepped outside

1215
01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:43.199
<v Speaker 2>before the actual execution. The Marshal's wife, one of the

1216
01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:46.199
<v Speaker 2>guards who has been with missus Hetty the last four weeks,

1217
01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:49.399
<v Speaker 2>rode with missus Hetty in the car from her death

1218
01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:53.359
<v Speaker 2>row cell to the gas chamber. She remained at missus

1219
01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:56.399
<v Speaker 2>Hetty's side until she was strapped into the metal chair.

1220
01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Missus Tapman's said, I had planned to say something to

1221
01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:05.479
<v Speaker 2>her after she was strapped in, but everything was going

1222
01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:08.439
<v Speaker 2>so smoothly. I was afraid to for fear I would

1223
01:18:08.439 --> 01:18:12.800
<v Speaker 2>say something wrong. Missus Tapman said she had not noticed

1224
01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:15.720
<v Speaker 2>any change in missus Hetty's attitude or manner in the

1225
01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:19.039
<v Speaker 2>last day of her life. She told me that she

1226
01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:21.439
<v Speaker 2>knew I didn't like my job, but I had to

1227
01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:24.680
<v Speaker 2>do it. She thanked me. She also told me that

1228
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:26.880
<v Speaker 2>she knew she had made a mistake and would have

1229
01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:31.239
<v Speaker 2>to pay for it. Missus Tapman said that as an individual,

1230
01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:34.920
<v Speaker 2>and not considering the crime she had committed, missus Hetty

1231
01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:37.960
<v Speaker 2>seemed to her to be a nice person. Quote. She

1232
01:18:38.039 --> 01:18:40.720
<v Speaker 2>seemed very interesting to talk with and seemed to be

1233
01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:46.359
<v Speaker 2>an intelligent woman. Unquote. Missus Tapman said missus Hetty complained

1234
01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:49.079
<v Speaker 2>that she was cold when they left death Row and

1235
01:18:49.159 --> 01:18:53.039
<v Speaker 2>stepped to the motor car. Missus Hetty had no coat

1236
01:18:53.479 --> 01:18:57.479
<v Speaker 2>and wore no hoes. Missus Tapman said she gave missus

1237
01:18:57.479 --> 01:19:01.399
<v Speaker 2>Hetty or black Persian lamb short coat to wear. The

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<v Speaker 2>remark about the cold was the last thing missus Hetty

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<v Speaker 2>said to her. Missus Tapman said when the prisoners reached

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<v Speaker 2>the death house, they prayed a few minutes with their

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual advisers, the Reverend George L. Evans, episcopal minister from

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<v Speaker 2>Kansas City, Kansas, and his curate, the Reverend Robert H. Bull,

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<v Speaker 2>the second Father. Evans said the killers were absolutely and

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01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:34.479
<v Speaker 2>completely reconciled. He said they made no last requests. The

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<v Speaker 2>kidnappers were allowed ten minutes together in the small detention

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01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:42.439
<v Speaker 2>cell just off the gas chambers. Tatman was in the

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01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:46.479
<v Speaker 2>cell a few feet away. During those ten minutes, the

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<v Speaker 2>two smiled and talked in a casual manner. Hall was

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01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:54.760
<v Speaker 2>smoking a cigarette and he leaned over to give missus

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01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Hetty a puff. They were manacled, but held hands while

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01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:05.880
<v Speaker 2>they talked. Missus Hetty, who seemed animated, laughed aloud at

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01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:09.079
<v Speaker 2>something said by Marshall Tatman, who sat in front of

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01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:11.600
<v Speaker 2>them while they sat side by side on a cot.

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<v Speaker 2>The private chat with Tatman sitting in could not be

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01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:18.640
<v Speaker 2>seen throughout the death chamber, but when Hall came out

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01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:22.079
<v Speaker 2>to enter the gas tank, his lips were red as

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<v Speaker 2>if he had received a final kiss. Sitting in the

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01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:32.119
<v Speaker 2>metal chairs within the gas chamber, Carl Hall and Missus

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01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Bonnie Hetty were given an opportunity this morning to make

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<v Speaker 2>a last minute statement. They said they had nothing to say.

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01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Missus Hetty had indicated earlier in the day that she

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<v Speaker 2>was afraid she might break down, but both were calm

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<v Speaker 2>as they went to their death for the Green Lease murder.

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<v Speaker 2>The opportunity to make a final statement was offered by

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<v Speaker 2>William Tatman, acting Federal Marshall at the last. Just before

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<v Speaker 2>the gas chamber closed, Tapman asked them if they had

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<v Speaker 2>anything to tell him. Both shook their heads and missus

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01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Hetty said no. While missus Hetty watched, a black blindfold

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<v Speaker 2>was put over Hall's eyes, tied and back with a

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01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:24.680
<v Speaker 2>double strap. Then she was blindfolded and they were led

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<v Speaker 2>into the gas chamber. Hall going first. I can't see

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<v Speaker 2>a thing, missus Hetty said. While she was being strapped

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<v Speaker 2>into her chair. She said, it is tight. I'm not

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01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:40.760
<v Speaker 2>going anywhere. She asked Carl whether he had plenty of room.

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<v Speaker 2>He did not answer. He was breathing hard as the

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<v Speaker 2>straps were tightened. Just before the big iron door was

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01:21:49.399 --> 01:21:53.000
<v Speaker 2>closed on the condemned pair, missus Hetty turned a Hall

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01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:58.239
<v Speaker 2>and asked, in a calm tone, are you doing all right, honey? Yes, mamma,

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<v Speaker 2>he replied in the gas chamber. Missus Hetty, although she

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<v Speaker 2>could not see, tilted her head upwards and said goodbye,

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<v Speaker 2>and thanks to Tapman. Bernard Poiri, Assistant Deputy Warden, who

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<v Speaker 2>has taken the pair of their food for the four

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01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:22.319
<v Speaker 2>weeks they were in death row helped to adjust the

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01:22:22.359 --> 01:22:27.039
<v Speaker 2>straps around missus Hetty. Missus Hetty tilted her head again

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01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:32.520
<v Speaker 2>and said goodbye, mister Poiri and thanks for everything. Poiery

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01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:35.359
<v Speaker 2>shook hands with both of them, and she again thanked

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<v Speaker 2>him before the airtight doors were closed. Although sounds cannot

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<v Speaker 2>be heard by witnesses after the doors are closed, the

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<v Speaker 2>two conversed briefly until the fumes began arising. Neither got

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<v Speaker 2>a clear view of the gas tank and its deadly apparatus,

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01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:57.359
<v Speaker 2>who was kept screening from them until after the blindfolds

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<v Speaker 2>were fixed twelve o two o'clock, when the jars of

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01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:10.119
<v Speaker 2>sulfuric acid were shoved beneath the metal chairs. Warden Ralph Hedson,

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01:23:10.279 --> 01:23:13.319
<v Speaker 2>who pulled the lever that released the fatal pellets inside

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01:23:13.359 --> 01:23:17.960
<v Speaker 2>the chamber, said he thought everything went off smoothly. The

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<v Speaker 2>executions were the eighth and ninth he has conducted in

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<v Speaker 2>the four and one half years he has served as warden. Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a job I hate to do, but I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>ask anyone else to do it for me unquote. The

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<v Speaker 2>three North Kansas City policemen who were among the official witnesses,

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<v Speaker 2>said that missus Hetty seemed nonchalant to the end, but

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<v Speaker 2>Hall struggled when he was strapped into the metal chair

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<v Speaker 2>in which he died. Lieutenant G. W. Stevenson said, we

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01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:54.640
<v Speaker 2>noticed that missus Hetty seemed nonchalant after she got inside

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01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the gas chamber. I believe she had a smile on

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01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:01.119
<v Speaker 2>her face, at least her Her mouth looked like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Her eyes, of course, were covered by the mask. Hall

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be mumbling to himself, talking fast. We couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>hear what he was saying, but we assumed he was

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<v Speaker 2>praying to himself. Corporal Roberts Seemed Moore and patrolman George

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<v Speaker 2>Spencer said they believe missus Hetty and Hall spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>each other just before their deaths. All three policemen said

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<v Speaker 2>it was the first time they had witnessed an execution.

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<v Speaker 2>Spencer said, quote, it wasn't a pleasant thing to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>I never want to see another one. Prison officials said

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<v Speaker 2>the pair were quote among the calmest we ever saw unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>Hall and missus Hetty were pronounced dead officially by doctors

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<v Speaker 2>William V. Mcneally and doctor Donald Schule. Prison physicians. Doctor

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<v Speaker 2>McNally said missus Heaty appeared to breathe a little longer

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<v Speaker 2>than Hall did. Doctor Schull explained that death from the

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01:24:59.479 --> 01:25:03.079
<v Speaker 2>gas chaminamb is caused by inhalation of the gas fumes

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<v Speaker 2>caused by a block in the exchange of oxygen from

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<v Speaker 2>the arteries to the body tissue. The tissue dies from monoxia,

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<v Speaker 2>he said. The central nervous system and brain, Doctor Schul said,

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<v Speaker 2>are the first to be effected. The two physicians pronounced

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<v Speaker 2>missus Hetty and Hall dead unofficially first by observing them

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<v Speaker 2>through the gas windows in the chamber. After the gas

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01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:28.640
<v Speaker 2>had been cleared by exhaust fans, they checked for heart

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01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:33.119
<v Speaker 2>tones and reflexes and made their official statement. The bodies

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<v Speaker 2>were taken to the Bucher funeral Home, about three blocks

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<v Speaker 2>west of the prison. A traffic jam developed in front

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<v Speaker 2>of the funeral home as persons with curiosity tried to

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01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:46.159
<v Speaker 2>see the hearse taking the bodies to the home. Highway

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01:25:46.199 --> 01:25:50.520
<v Speaker 2>patrolmen and auxiliary police cleared up the traffic congestion in

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<v Speaker 2>about fifteen minutes. Their deaths closed the book on the kidnapped,

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<v Speaker 2>slaying and in which the seventy one year old Robert

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<v Speaker 2>Greenlease paid six hundred thousand dollars in ransom, only to

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<v Speaker 2>receive the body of his son in return, but there

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<v Speaker 2>are several anticlimactic chapters to be solved. What happened to

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01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:18.119
<v Speaker 2>the missing three hundred thousand dollars is one mystery officials

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01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:21.439
<v Speaker 2>still hoped to solve, and whether Hall carried that secret

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01:26:21.439 --> 01:26:23.840
<v Speaker 2>with him into the gas chamber may never be known.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the first federal execution here since the gas

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<v Speaker 2>chamber was constructed in nineteen thirty seven at a cost

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<v Speaker 2>of five thousand dollars, and the fourth double execution. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the first execution of a woman. Epilogue. The missing

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred three thousand, seven hundred and twenty dollars from

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<v Speaker 2>the suitcases has never been recovered, although the two arresting

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<v Speaker 2>officers were both found guilty of perjury in the matter

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01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:03.000
<v Speaker 2>of the missing money for their handling of the suitcases

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<v Speaker 2>and both serve prison sentences. That was evil plan drunkenly

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<v Speaker 2>botched the Greenlease kidnapping tragedy called from the historic pages

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