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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You look around, whether you're in the car, whether you're

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<v Speaker 2>out and about during the day, whatever it is that

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing at work, it seems there is an intense

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<v Speaker 2>amount of anger out there. It's not just with others.

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<v Speaker 2>You're dealing with it as well. You battle with this

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. Anger is something that permeates every part

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<v Speaker 2>of your life in one form or another. And in

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<v Speaker 2>Scripture there's two Greek words and in the New Testament

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<v Speaker 2>that are used as the English word anger. One focuses

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<v Speaker 2>on a means passion and energy, and the other means

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<v Speaker 2>agitated and boiling. And what I don't want you to

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<v Speaker 2>walk away with today is that all anger is bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not. Obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>When you have passion and energy and it provokes you

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<v Speaker 2>and promotes and instigates you to want to do something good,

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<v Speaker 2>then that's positive. But if you sit and you become agitated,

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<v Speaker 2>and you sit there boiling with the anger, it's of

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<v Speaker 2>no glory to God. It produces nothing, and it's something

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<v Speaker 2>that continues to sit and fester. It's easy when you

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<v Speaker 2>deal with people when you're in that mental.

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<v Speaker 1>State where everything you've got.

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<v Speaker 2>Is important, and everything everyone else has to do or

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<v Speaker 2>is a part of, is not important. That's selfish is

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<v Speaker 2>what breeds a lot of the negative or unpositive or

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<v Speaker 2>sinful anger, because that kind of pride and attitude, that

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<v Speaker 2>selfishness that says, well, I'm more important, I have things

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<v Speaker 2>to do. This person's in my way. That's what happens

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<v Speaker 2>on the road. The reason why you have a road

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<v Speaker 2>rage is because in your head, you're more important than

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<v Speaker 2>the people around you, and so if someone cuts you off,

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<v Speaker 2>the first thought is, well, don't they know who I am?

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<v Speaker 2>I've got places to be, I've got things to do,

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<v Speaker 2>or they think they're more important than me. It seems

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<v Speaker 2>silly but true. I mean, how many times have you

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<v Speaker 2>been on the road and you feel someone to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Side of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you're on the highways the byways and there's someone

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<v Speaker 2>coming up next to you and they're going a little faster.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want them to pass you, and you speed

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<v Speaker 2>up for no real reason except some sort of false competitiveness.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not just on the road, it's in every

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<v Speaker 2>part of your life. There are things that trigger your anger,

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<v Speaker 2>that frustrates you and that aren't productive. They just agitate.

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<v Speaker 2>They just make you.

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<v Speaker 1>Get in a mindset.

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<v Speaker 2>Where you don't want to deal with anybody except out

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<v Speaker 2>of anger when you're someone asks you a question. And

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<v Speaker 2>I see this of people that are in a business

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<v Speaker 2>where they're called to answer questions, whether they work at

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<v Speaker 2>a grocery store, whether they work at a hardware store,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it might be, and they're there to answer questions,

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<v Speaker 2>and still when you ask a question, they respond negatively,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it's just pills on, piles on, and continues

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<v Speaker 2>to spin out of control as everyone gets angry. Proverbs

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen to one says a gentle answer turns away wrath,

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<v Speaker 2>but a harsh word stirs up anger. That there's ways

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<v Speaker 2>to respond to people even if you're not happy about

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<v Speaker 2>the question, even if you think it's a stupid question,

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<v Speaker 2>there's still ways to answer to not accelerate or make

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<v Speaker 2>things worse, because you play a part in other people's

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<v Speaker 2>anger as well. And if you stir that up and

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<v Speaker 2>their anger becomes that which is classified as sin, then

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<v Speaker 2>you play a part of that as well. And you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to get caught up in those types of

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<v Speaker 2>personal prideful arguments two Timothy two, twenty three and twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know they produce quarrels. And the lord's servant

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<v Speaker 2>must not quarrel. Instead, he must be kind to everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>able to teach, not resentful. What a pattern to follow there,

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<v Speaker 2>don't stir up an argument for the sake of stirring

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<v Speaker 2>up an argument. You may even do this in my name,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes supposedly for my sake. You may stir up an

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<v Speaker 2>argument thinking that you're helping, when actually you're hurting it.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean that there isn't a legitimate place for

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<v Speaker 2>an argument or a discussion, even one that's filled with passion.

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<v Speaker 2>But be careful the words you use and how you

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<v Speaker 2>participate in a discussion that you're moving it forward, not

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<v Speaker 2>escalating it hotter, bringing it to a boil, because you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to get caught up in a quarrel for

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<v Speaker 2>the sake of a quarrel. You do want to be

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<v Speaker 2>kind to everyone. Find it interesting that if you read this,

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<v Speaker 2>it says be kind to everyone comma able to teach,

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<v Speaker 2>comma not resentful. So by being kind to people you're

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<v Speaker 2>able to teach, you're in that you have that ability

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<v Speaker 2>to pass along information. If you're in a state where

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<v Speaker 2>you're just in anger, then you're pushing against everything you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to receive. You're not in the state of receiving.

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<v Speaker 2>You just want people to feel your wrath. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>hear a thing they're saying. Your compassion is gone, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just that agitated, boiling anger. Now that the God

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<v Speaker 2>given anger, this righteous indignation, is productive. It's there to

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<v Speaker 2>help you deal with the things at hand, problem solving,

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<v Speaker 2>troubleshooting something. It propels you, it pushes you, It excites

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<v Speaker 2>you with passion and energy, but doesn't make you sit

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<v Speaker 2>and fester. And there's examples throughout Scripture of people confronting

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<v Speaker 2>one another that are upset, that are filled with this

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<v Speaker 2>energy and this passion, but not that ugly, agitated, festering,

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<v Speaker 2>boiling anger. Not all anger is a sin. It's when

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<v Speaker 2>it gets to that place that it becomes rage. It

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<v Speaker 2>gets to that place where there's nothing propelling you forward, learning, teaching, experiencing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just about venting full throttle anger, rage, not listening,

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<v Speaker 2>and that has no place in the kingdom. That serves

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<v Speaker 2>no purpose and helps no one, you included. And when

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<v Speaker 2>you get in that state of anger, you get blind

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<v Speaker 2>to truth and it's just about you. Check that next time,

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<v Speaker 2>next time you're angry. See how it's so much about

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<v Speaker 2>you and no one else. How it's all about how

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<v Speaker 2>you feel and what you're going through, or what you

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<v Speaker 2>need or what you want it or whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 2>And yet you push aside everyone else around you. Anger

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be a lot of anger. And it's not

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<v Speaker 2>that all anger is bad or that all anger is sin.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, sin means to miss the mark, and

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<v Speaker 2>there is anger that misses the mark. There's anger that

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<v Speaker 2>is caught up in just being angry, just being annoyed,

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<v Speaker 2>just being agitated, rather than something that propels you, that

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<v Speaker 2>moves you forward, that makes you want to solve problems.

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<v Speaker 2>And the key to anger is you will notice that

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<v Speaker 2>anger really becomes sin when it's focused just on you,

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<v Speaker 2>When it's selfish in nature and the purpose, the goal

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<v Speaker 2>is completely shifted and no longer in focus, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just about the anger. So if you think of it

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<v Speaker 2>this way, that your anger should attack a problem, not

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<v Speaker 2>a person. If your anger attacks a problem, not a person,

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<v Speaker 2>then it's then you're looking to solve something. Then you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking to eradicate a problem, but not just attack a person.

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<v Speaker 2>And in scripture, and this happens so much, we've this

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<v Speaker 2>kind has come up on the show over and over again,

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<v Speaker 2>that there are times where you don't go to a

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<v Speaker 2>person and you feel that they've wronged you or something's happened.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't go to them to talk to them.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't confront them face to face, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>biblical way. You look for, you know, some reason, just

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<v Speaker 2>to smear their name or to be ugly. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't help. Galatians two eleven through fourteen deals with

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<v Speaker 2>this very thing. When you're opposing someone, you oppose them

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<v Speaker 2>to their face. If you feel someone's in the wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>then you express that to them in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>is helpful and propels you forward. But the anger that

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<v Speaker 2>I see right now, the anger that maybe you're experiencing yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you be the recipient of it or you'd be

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<v Speaker 2>the person sending it out, is that it's only focused

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<v Speaker 2>on the individual. It's only about you and what you

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<v Speaker 2>need to do. Don't they know I need to do X,

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<v Speaker 2>Y and Z. Don't they know that I have to

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<v Speaker 2>do this or that I'm this? And usually that type

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<v Speaker 2>of anger stems from people in general not listening.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Attentive, if someone yells at you, in all likelihood, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel they're being heard. They feel that something you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing is hurting them or might hurt them, or is

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<v Speaker 2>going to hurt them, and that makes them nervous or scared,

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<v Speaker 2>and it manifests in screaming and anger. Some of the

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<v Speaker 2>most angry people in life are the most meek, are

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that are so fearful of someone hurting them

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<v Speaker 2>that they get loud. And maybe you do this, You

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<v Speaker 2>get loud in hopes of people either backing off or

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<v Speaker 2>running away or not coming too close to hurt you anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>That type of anger doesn't help. So to biblically deal

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<v Speaker 2>with anger, you have to first focus and see and

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<v Speaker 2>admit that your anger comes from a selfish place and

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<v Speaker 2>learn to turn that around to where you are attacking

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<v Speaker 2>that problem and not attacking a person. Aurora, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the Jesus Christ Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Today is a very special day for my son. He's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna take Body of Christ for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wonderful.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he's extremely excited. He has been asking for it,

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<v Speaker 3>and uh, I gotta tell you it's a special need kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And how so he's autistic?

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<v Speaker 3>He is, he actually has celebra policy and the brain damage.

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<v Speaker 3>But contrail hold, the prediction is a very He's able

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<v Speaker 3>to walk, and you know, it's very good in school.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's a very happy child, extremely happy and very emotional.

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<v Speaker 3>So we go to church every Sunday and during communion

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<v Speaker 3>he is always always cry. You get emotional. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>it is happy and uh so we talk with a priest.

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<v Speaker 3>We got some preparation and today is a day and

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<v Speaker 3>he has great expectition.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how so what are his expectations?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and that's what I will try to understand. And

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<v Speaker 3>you say that it's gonna take the body of Christ

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<v Speaker 3>today and then it's going to feel better.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so he thinks that it's going to be there's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be healing properties too.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I'm afraid that he has some expectation

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<v Speaker 3>about that, you know, spiritual part of it. And then

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<v Speaker 3>maybe it's me. I'm not understanding him correctly, but I'm

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<v Speaker 3>afraid that he's suspecting something. And if so, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what to say after you know, what to tell

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<v Speaker 3>them because we talk every day about it and what

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<v Speaker 3>I told him, I say, yes, you're going to be

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<v Speaker 3>feeling good inside. You're gonna be feeling great inside. You're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be feeling in all love and and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just you know, because it's working very hard

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<v Speaker 3>on correctness. Is problem, is physical problem, and it's learning

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<v Speaker 3>out with it. So many surgery and finally he's walking,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, with his feet on the ground, no more

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<v Speaker 3>on his toes and you know, so it's working very

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<v Speaker 3>hard in order to walk to the altar, because you

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<v Speaker 3>want to walk to the altar and I want to

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<v Speaker 3>be on the wheelchair and he want to be, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So he sounds wonderful because his spirit has desired to

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<v Speaker 2>me better good And that's a good way to see

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<v Speaker 2>it as well as the gift of having a special

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<v Speaker 2>needs child is first knowing that God trusts you enough

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<v Speaker 2>to oversee and care for somebody, so special is a

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<v Speaker 2>I would say most adults that don't understand truly what's

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Catholics and Lutherans celebrate this particular ce ceremony

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<v Speaker 2>of other Protestant denominations believe that it's a practice to

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<v Speaker 1>And memorial and in memory of and.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that managed expectations is a good term

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<v Speaker 2>to really make sure that he explains what's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and during the before the first communion, there's time with

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<v Speaker 2>the priest. Correct, yeah, okay, and the priest has explained

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<v Speaker 2>to understand. So there's going to be some knowledge that

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<v Speaker 2>comes prior to this, but also to be reinforced by you,

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<v Speaker 2>the understanding that it's not magic. It's not about magic,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not that that God doesn't have the power

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<v Speaker 3>With you, it is probably maybe more my inspectition.

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<v Speaker 2>So you say that that that you are putting the weight,

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<v Speaker 2>day is understanding that this, that this is life, and

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<v Speaker 2>That means spiritual healing for most. If you remember, Paul

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<v Speaker 2>blessing in that understanding that those those privations or the

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<v Speaker 2>made Paul who he was. And that's part of the process.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the managing of expectations for both you and

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<v Speaker 2>is to understand what's going on. One the first and

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<v Speaker 2>foremost the reason why you take communion is because I said,

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<v Speaker 2>so in scripture. That's first and foremost, because God said it,

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<v Speaker 1>Therefore you do it. That the obedience is important.

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<v Speaker 2>And secondly, to understand there is something very beautiful despite

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<v Speaker 2>all the disagreement that goes on in the different denominations

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<v Speaker 2>those are inter body discussions. That the Body of Christ

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<v Speaker 2>discusses those things and argues those things, and that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>But most importantly is that it was you're told to

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<v Speaker 2>it does have power. There is something quite beautiful and

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<v Speaker 2>connective towards that moment. I was constantly breaking bread and

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<v Speaker 2>connecting with people, and this is one of those moments

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<v Speaker 2>that cannot be denied.

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<v Speaker 1>And you don't know what will take place.

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<v Speaker 2>Neither of you, regardless of expectations, know what will take place.

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<v Speaker 2>But most importantly, what is guaranteed to take place is

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<v Speaker 2>the fulfillment of a commitment towards God. And that is

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<v Speaker 2>going to take place. So whether you know anything else

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's exciting that that he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Stepping forward, he is wheeling forward, he is limping forward,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter. He is moving forward before God and man

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you look at his face and he laid

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<v Speaker 3>up when you're going to church. If he has and

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<v Speaker 3>had that's our priests say, you have thisess in him,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know he feels that, and he has a

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<v Speaker 3>totally different emotion, and you know, and he has his

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<v Speaker 3>you know, with the way we expressed. But I know

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<v Speaker 3>that I appreciate that, I appreciate about the Christ, and

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<v Speaker 3>I get closer to you after I got my son.

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<v Speaker 3>He's making me better and you know, and all this

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<v Speaker 3>it's an amazing feeling. It's amazing. It's I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how to explain that. You know, somebody

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<v Speaker 3>told me why you go to church every Sunday? That

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<v Speaker 3>church doesn't do anything for me. And and the best

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<v Speaker 3>way that I was able to express, I say, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like I'm home. I had this big warm huk again.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, around me this, I feel like I'm home.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my best feeling. And I believe markets feel the

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<v Speaker 3>was telling me, Mommy, then I'm gonna have every Sunday

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<v Speaker 3>and every Sunday I can have my body of Christ.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's it's beautiful. And you know how many

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<v Speaker 3>other people are so skeptical about that and how they

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, they're skepticism in all things, Aurora, and the church

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<v Speaker 2>has been a focus of that. I've been a focus

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<v Speaker 2>of that for a long time. But I want you

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<v Speaker 2>all the ceremony and love and fun of it, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as the deep spiritual meaning that goes along with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And sharing that with your boy and experiencing that is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a very powerful thing. Keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 2>keep in mind that that faith and understanding and a

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with God. Is it not about being perfect in

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<v Speaker 2>understanding of who God is and that there is it's

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<v Speaker 2>not only about this world, but about the world to come.

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<v Speaker 2>But have the most blessed day, and I hope that

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<v Speaker 2>you'll share with us. How today went on a future broadcast,

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<v Speaker 2>Brian to the Jesus Christ Show.

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<v Speaker 4>Good morning, Thank you for taking my call.

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<v Speaker 1>My pleasure.

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<v Speaker 4>I was discussing with a new friend. She is a

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<v Speaker 4>Christian and I am a believer as well, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was mentioning that the church that I'm going to is

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<v Speaker 4>planning on starting a contemporary style worship service. And she said,

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<v Speaker 4>do you have a piano in your church? And I said, well, sure,

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<v Speaker 4>I said, we have a couple. We have one upstairs

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<v Speaker 4>and we have one downstairs. And she said, uh, she says,

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<v Speaker 4>we don't have any instruments in our church. I said, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>that's kind of curious. Do you mind if I asked why?

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<v Speaker 4>And she said.

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<v Speaker 3>That.

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<v Speaker 4>She said that the New Testament church or the New

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<v Speaker 4>the New dispensation is that you know, no instruments in church.

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<v Speaker 4>And I said, but there's lots of references where instruments

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<v Speaker 4>were used to assist in praising God. When David brought

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<v Speaker 4>the arc into the Temple of meeting and you know, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, there's musicians and Bryan.

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<v Speaker 2>There are times in scripture where priests and musicians are referenced,

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<v Speaker 2>but only the musicians are referenced by name. There's there's

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<v Speaker 2>great importance to music, make a joyful noise. There are

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<v Speaker 2>many references to the importance of music and h and

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<v Speaker 2>even dancing at times as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Ultimately that it came down to the term dispensation. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know what that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, Okay, the term dispensation. Think of it this way,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's this gets into different theological understandings of dispensationalism.

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<v Speaker 2>for the sake of your call. I think this will

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<v Speaker 2>be helpful. Think of it as time periods, management of

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<v Speaker 2>different dispensations. So think of it this way as and

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<v Speaker 2>I prefer people to think of it this way anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you go through scripture, think of scripture in

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<v Speaker 2>humanity as a child that's being born and being raised

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<v Speaker 2>by God. Not just individual men and women, but think

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<v Speaker 2>of all men and women, the planet as a whole,

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<v Speaker 2>as a child being raised by God. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the beginning and the middle and the ending

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<v Speaker 2>of scripture. You will see that God interacts with the

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<v Speaker 2>how come the God of the Old Testament seems so angry?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know, and how come the God of

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<v Speaker 2>the New Testament seems so flowery? And they try putting

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<v Speaker 2>these things together. Well, a dispensation is sectioning of scripture

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<v Speaker 2>or time periods and the way God interacts interacted. So,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>Really.

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<v Speaker 2>What it is is, if you think of the world

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<v Speaker 2>as a baby, you may interact with a child an

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<v Speaker 2>infant differently. They're crying, they're needy. You might even pat

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<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>So as they grow, you interact with your children differently. Correct, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So dispensationalism, in a very loose sense is how God

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<v Speaker 2>is interacting with humanity during different times and periods throughout history,

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<v Speaker 2>not only scripturally but now currently. So, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful way to look at scripture and to understand scripture.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem comes when people use this as a way

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<v Speaker 2>of defining God or defining Christianity or Salvation based on

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<v Speaker 2>these time periods. Some people separate the scriptures and do

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<v Speaker 2>about seven different dispensations or different times or periods where

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<v Speaker 2>God is interacting with his creation. But what I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to see is that none of those define God

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<v Speaker 2>or Salvation or man correctly. You have to see them

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<v Speaker 2>in their totality to understand what's going on. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>people get lost in certain That's why you'll hear people say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not for today, right, Oh, that's the Old Testament.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not for that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's ridiculous. God put it in there. It's there

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<v Speaker 2>for today, and it's important. And that's like removing the

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<v Speaker 2>grace out of the Old Testament or removing the law

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<v Speaker 2>out of the New Testament. They both have a place

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<v Speaker 2>and a purpose in both of those chapters of the

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<v Speaker 2>Christian faith by way of Judaism. So you get lost

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<v Speaker 2>if you say, well, it's not for today, which is

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<v Speaker 2>essentially what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Now do they use microphones at all?

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<v Speaker 4>Y Oh you know, I didn't. I've heard you say

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<v Speaker 4>that on the show before. I did not ask that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always humored by that that that uh that uh

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<v Speaker 2>using that it's not an instrument or what happen. Usually

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<v Speaker 2>when you get to that point, the church has some unhealthy, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>some unhealthy parts to it. Now, I don't know this church,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know how they're using this term, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's coming to me secondhand. But I will tell you this, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>that if that's a that's a bad sign to me

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<v Speaker 2>about the health of a particular church.

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<v Speaker 1>K f I A M six forty on demand
