WEBVTT 1 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:25.480 We're Tom and Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style 2 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:27.440 Opinion Fest. Hell look it and walk back to another 3 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:29.320 edition of the Pso I am the Tea and you're 4 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:31.239 Telow Tom Fitzgerald, and I'm here with the low and 5 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:34.320 your te lot. Lorenzo my cousin husband, and you're. 6 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:35.719 Here we tab Hunter on the table. 7 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:38.119 Tab Hunter a twenty five pound cat who has been 8 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:41.880 drawing blood lately. Oh my god, yeah, fit me the 9 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.119 other night in bed because he got very excited. I 10 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:47.920 was rubbing his belly in the wrong spot. And this boy, 11 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:51.119 you have to understand, he is a big cat, and 12 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:55.079 he's got teeth like a dog's teeth, and cats they 13 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:57.439 will nip when they want you to stop doing something, 14 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:00.600 and you know they're usually pretty good at the Tab's 15 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.439 teeth are so freaking huge that he wound up drawing blood. 16 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:05.280 It was like one in the morning, and I had 17 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:06.920 to get out of bed to wash because you don't 18 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:08.879 want to get cats scratch fever or anything like that. 19 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:13.519 And then yesterday he wanted to jump in my seat 20 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:15.560 while I was He loves when I do my duo 21 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:19.159 lingo lessons. Whenever he hears duo lingo, he comes running. 22 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:21.359 It's so cute because he wants to sit in my 23 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:25.959 lap and learn Portuguese with me. And he tried to 24 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:27.760 jump in my lap and I was wearing a pair 25 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:31.560 of shorts, and he's getting old, which means he can't 26 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:35.920 make jumps as quickly as gracefully as he once did. 27 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:41.040 So he dug his massive sabertoothed tiger claws right into 28 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:45.040 my bare thigh and then slid. I know, yeah, so 29 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:46.719 I have a slash on my lap. 30 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:47.319 Oh my god. 31 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:49.040 I don't know why we're starting off the podcast with 32 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:52.760 this nonsense. Anyway, we have a pod porie of topics 33 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:56.519 to discuss. We actually once again relate with this because 34 00:01:56.519 --> 00:01:59.439 we really couldn't pull together an entire podcast, and then 35 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:02.159 ultimately we said, all right, well, it's just been five 36 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:04.719 minutes on a bunch of different podcasts, like this is 37 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:09.759 some sort of weekend update. So but what I do 38 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:13.199 like about these pod pori things is that we don't 39 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:16.000 get stuck in one thing. We're not just talking about 40 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.759 a TV show or just talking about celebrity gossip. We 41 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:21.240 have a bunch of things to talk about here. I 42 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:25.759 want to start off with a red carpet topic, especially 43 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:28.280 because this one's a little late. We're getting to this one, 44 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:32.240 and it's a holdover from the Met collar A couple 45 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:36.560 of weeks back, we were contacted by Lamonde, the French newspaper, 46 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:42.479 to give our thoughts on theme dressing and cosplay dressing 47 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:45.000 and everything. And I kind of love that our dislike 48 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:47.680 of that sort of thing has reached an international audience. 49 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:51.039 And I did say I don't think it wound up 50 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:53.479 in the final piece, but I did say one of 51 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:57.039 the things I don't like about this move away from 52 00:02:57.159 --> 00:02:59.439 fashion on the Red Carpet is that we're going to 53 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:05.199 get more and more into spectacle and costumes. And sure enough, 54 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:08.240 a couple of days later, the Metgala happened, and here 55 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:13.479 comes Heidi Cloom in her Halloween costume, and here comes 56 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:16.360 bed Bunny in his old man makeup. And I hate it. 57 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:21.080 I hate it so much that people are starting to 58 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:26.360 use prosthetics for events that are entirely about fashion. 59 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:29.159 Yeah, I think it was. The Hollywood Reporter had an 60 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:33.199 article this week about the whole The Devil's Wear product 61 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:37.199 preparation for the for the Red Carpet everything, and how 62 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:41.520 much they thought about all those things like right wearing costumes. 63 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:44.719 They're wearing things that no costumes, you know, wearing things 64 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.840 that the characters would wear, Yes, exactly, that would remind 65 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:50.319 people of the costumes in the movie and all that. 66 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:52.360 And it was just like, yeah, that that's the direction. 67 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:55.039 Now I hate it, and I'm going to use my 68 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:57.960 platform to rail against it. And if Lamon wants to 69 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:00.000 call me up, I'll yell about that too. Listen. I 70 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.840 don't think we're likely to see a lot of costume, 71 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.919 a lot of makeup effects or prosthetics going forward on 72 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:11.439 the Red carpet, but I do feel like I need to, 73 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:16.680 you know, sound the alarm a little bit. The met 74 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:22.160 Gala is not like a Marvel movie promotional event or 75 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:24.639 something like that. It is not about people going out 76 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:29.480 and promoting projects. It's literally about elevating fashion. It is 77 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:33.920 an entire night devoted to fashion. It is the one 78 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:37.720 red carpet that we cover every year that is only 79 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:41.040 about fashion. It's not about awards, it's not about premieres, 80 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:45.480 it's not about debut albums or anything like that. It 81 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:48.920 is strictly a bunch of people getting together in the 82 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:53.360 most outrageous outfits they can devise to celebrate fashion. And 83 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:58.920 to raise money for a costume institute. And for me, 84 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:02.360 it's very alarming. On this the premiere fashion event of 85 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.560 the year, people are showing up in freaking rubber masks 86 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:09.160 and fake noses and shit like that. And I hate 87 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:11.759 that Anna Winter has lost control of this sort of thing. 88 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:15.360 I think she's trying so hard to soften her image. 89 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.480 That's why she sort of embraced the Devilwares product too, 90 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:22.720 even though she wouldn't even talk about the first film. 91 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:26.120 That's true, it's and now she's like letting just anybody 92 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:29.199 walk onto that Macalla red carpet in anything, like Troy 93 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:31.199 Savann was wearing jeans, and I was like, you know what, 94 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:34.360 I've been covering this for fifteen years and she never 95 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:36.680 would have allowed that. Even five years. 96 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.319 People weren't even allowed to take pictures inside, licking the 97 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:41.120 basket or anything like that. I mean, but. 98 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:43.759 It's she's you know, and I get it, because this 99 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:47.040 event is, you know, you invite all of these celebrities 100 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:50.360 to generate the kind of press that you know this 101 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:54.000 event generates, and you kind of have to let celebrities 102 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:56.879 do whatever they want to do otherwise they're not going 103 00:05:56.920 --> 00:05:58.000 to show up well. 104 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.519 And they have new owners. Yeah, what do you mean 105 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.920 the Macala has new owners, you know, so to speak. 106 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:06.199 I mean you have the Amazon people knowing. 107 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:07.199 Well, they don't own it. 108 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:09.680 They just well, if you give money, you own it. 109 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:14.079 Yeah, I guess anyway, I just wanted to rail against 110 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.399 that because I feel like, if they're doing this at 111 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:18.759 the Metgala, then yes, someone's going to show up at 112 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:21.839 the next Marvel movie or DC movie or Star Wars 113 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:26.480 movie work in some sort of goofy ass makeup effect. 114 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:29.480 That is not what the Red Carpet is about. I know. 115 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:31.279 I think I think you're going to We're gonna see 116 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:31.839 that more and more. 117 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:33.720 I hate it. I'm going to make such an issue 118 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:34.040 out of it. 119 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:36.839 Yeah, but I think there's always going to be people 120 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:39.879 who will say no to it because they're they're too 121 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:41.959 self aware of how they look on the red carpet, 122 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:44.360 and they don't want to look a certain way that 123 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:46.839 doesn't go with whatever they think if their view. 124 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:50.120 Yes, but the reason that I am somewhat fearful of 125 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:53.480 this is that a lot of celebrities hate the red carpet. 126 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:56.319 They hate the idea of fashion, they hate the idea 127 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:59.720 of putting themselves on display. And I am not unsympathetic 128 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:03.439 to that perspective, but I really hate the idea of 129 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:06.800 stepping out in a frickin rubber mask because you don't 130 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:10.120 like being photographed. Like, suck it up, Just suck it up. 131 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:13.560 You don't have to wear tour or whatever. You pose 132 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:15.879 for five pictures and walk off. But I think it 133 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:18.240 depends on Mary in a Halloween costume is a no. 134 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:20.240 I agree, And I think it depends on the person 135 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:22.759 and how they feel on the red carpet. I'll give 136 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:24.600 you an example of mars Ree. You could tell that 137 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:27.319 she was loving all those gigantic coats on her because 138 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:27.720 it's a. 139 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:29.600 Weird, dumpy Yeah, it's coffee. 140 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:31.439 You don't have to worry about anything. 141 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:33.639 Not wearing shape wear. She probably didn't shave her let. 142 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:36.199 You're completely covered up. 143 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:39.680 And I fully I am not standing here saying. You know, 144 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.519 everyone needs a manny petty. You know everyone has to 145 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:46.399 be tanned and moisture and now cover yourselves up. That's 146 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:50.120 the beauty of fashion. Fashion is not just about exposing 147 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:53.279 the body. It's about, you know, obscuring the body, if 148 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:56.560 that's what you want. Fashion isn't just about standing out. 149 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:00.120 Sometimes it's about receding in a way that is eleg 150 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:01.199 and the strain. 151 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:03.839 Yeah, but people do like look at the kardash and 152 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:05.519 they're like, all right, I can't show I can't show 153 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.639 my real nipple, so I'm gonna show a plastic one. 154 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:13.040 Yeah, fake nipple. Anyway, that was my one takeaway from 155 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:15.839 the Macala was like, oh shit, they're gonna start wearing 156 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:19.439 this shit on regular red carpet. Not that I think honestly, 157 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:21.959 if only Heidi had showed up like that, I would 158 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:23.720 have rolled my eyes and said, yeah, this is what 159 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:25.879 we said in the in the post about her, which 160 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.720 was this this isn't a Halloween party. But when bad 161 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:31.240 money shows up, I'm like, oh no, you were opening 162 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.159 the door. You are a trendsetter. Heidi Klum is not 163 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:35.799 a trends I. 164 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:39.480 Think it's people again watering down a great idea. I 165 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.519 go back to the Barbie movies. That was clever because 166 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:47.039 he was like, all right, let's pay homage to old barbiees, 167 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.200 giving a new giving a twist, you know, giving every 168 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.279 look a twist. That's what he did. He Andrew Komo, Yeah, 169 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.600 that's what he did. I mean, every look wasn't exactly 170 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:01.120 what the dog looked like, but it was some sort 171 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:04.559 of like you know, interpretation of it. So that was clever. 172 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:07.639 But then we're just like, now we're just going with 173 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:09.159 you know, you know, with tennis both. 174 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:13.679 Yeah, I hate it anyway, that's my little rant. Yeah, 175 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:15.879 why don't we move on to your little rant about 176 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:18.559 costume design or do you want to No, No, let's 177 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:19.600 talk about costume design. 178 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:21.799 And I thought I thought it was interesting. I mean, 179 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:25.440 it's it's very common that people watch TV, especially the 180 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:28.639 young generation. They watch shows and they love monsters. The 181 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:33.399 youngsters on TikTok and social media, they they love to 182 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:36.360 watch what the you know, the characters are wearing, and 183 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:38.600 they're going they go after the items, they want to 184 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:40.840 buy the items, and they complain that the items are 185 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:43.840 too expensive, blah blah blah. So the latest conversation was 186 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:48.720 about Aria, which is a horrible season by the way, terrible, 187 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:53.320 terrible season anyway, So what they're they were complaining that 188 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:59.879 Jacob or LORDI, the character Nate Jacobs, has been wearing 189 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:04.639 nothing but but tiga Veneda, very expensive items and it 190 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:07.720 doesn't go with the character. So they were all there 191 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:09.799 was like a huge backlash against it because he was 192 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:14.240 wearing this plaid fannel flannel and the shirt is like 193 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:16.919 six dollars, So which is. 194 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:18.879 This is something that's been going on for a while 195 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:19.960 in costume design. 196 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:21.039 Go ahead. 197 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:23.960 I just want to note that this was also an 198 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:27.639 issue in the last season of The Bear when they 199 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:30.840 were working in that kitchen wearing like Louis Vuitton jackets 200 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:32.679 and Montclair and stuff like that. 201 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:34.000 And her uniform was Tom Brown. 202 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:39.159 Yeah, And I mean, I don't want to jump in 203 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:41.759 this is your rant, but this is a thing that's 204 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:46.759 been happening with costume design for a while, and you 205 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:49.120 see it in Like, You saw it in Like and 206 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:52.600 just like that, where when you go back to Sex 207 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:55.600 and the City, when Pat Fields was doing that that series, 208 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:00.559 she was pulling from vintage shops and boutiques. The items 209 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.799 were high label items, but she did not have a 210 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:06.480 rolodex of contacts at all of the cature house, so 211 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:08.200 she had to go out and shop for that stuff. 212 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:13.039 And subsequently, those characters wardrobes had real personality. They felt 213 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:15.600 like real New York stylish New Yorkers, New Yorkers with 214 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:17.799 a lot of money. And then you come to and 215 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:21.279 just like that, where Pet Fields was not involved. Pet Field. 216 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:23.559 People always put anss on the end of her it 217 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:28.279 is Field, I think anyway, she was not involved. And 218 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:33.440 in the years since the show, the franchise had become 219 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:36.879 this like fantasy fashion franchise, which is not what it 220 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:39.840 was back in the day. And subsequently, all the characters 221 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.679 in and just like that were tottering around in high 222 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:45.919 heels on New York City sidewalks, six thousand dollars shoes, 223 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:50.720 ten thousand dollars bags. The outfit, every outfit was you 224 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:53.720 could have bought a house with it, and there was 225 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:57.120 nothing realistic about it. And these are wealthy New Yorkers 226 00:11:57.279 --> 00:12:00.480 and even those characters, those people are not walking around 227 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:03.200 in on the street with a cup of coffee in 228 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:06.320 ten thousand dollars shoes exactly. That's the kind of stupidity 229 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:07.159 that I don't like. 230 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:10.360 I'm sorry so because if is a show for the 231 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:15.039 young generation that I see again, they were very outspoken, 232 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:18.159 very loud on on TikTok and everywhere, talking about how 233 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:21.679 ridiculous that is that a character like you know, Nate 234 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:25.759 Jacobs is wearing a six thousand dollar shirt. So bad. 235 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:29.279 Excuse me that the custom designer Natasha Newman Thomas for 236 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:31.879 the show came out with a statement. She gave an 237 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:35.919 interview and everything that she said, you know, HBO had 238 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:39.759 a very tight budget. We're very happy that. But take 239 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.159 up and Aida you know, came and help us with 240 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:47.279 the you know, gave us you know, support, blah blah blah. 241 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:49.080 But it doesn't go with a character. And then she 242 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:51.519 tried to defend the character, say, well, the character is 243 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:53.519 trying very hard to look a certain way because he 244 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:56.240 has all these investors and he wants to look like 245 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:59.399 you know, he's wearing expensive clothes. But he's in I 246 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:03.879 forget office someplace in his house wearing just a basic 247 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:08.480 plaid flannel. You know, It's not like he's wearing a 248 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:11.840 suit to go to a meeting or something. So they 249 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:13.960 all complained about it. They said, it's ridiculous. But the 250 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:17.559 whole the thing with the whole show is that the 251 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:20.720 show this isn't really bad. And the feeling that I 252 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.240 get is that nobody wanted to go back, Zendy Jacob 253 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:26.720 I mean, they all have incredible careers now, they didn't 254 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:28.720 want to go back. I think they were forced to 255 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.559 go back. And I think Jacob El already pretty much said, fine, 256 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.080 I'll go back, but I'm gonna wear but Tikavania, you know. 257 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:38.679 And that's what he's doing and which is so against 258 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:41.279 everything that we talk about when he comes to costume design. 259 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.759 You know, we interview custom designers and they talk about 260 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:47.919 the process of creating these looks and how much, you know, 261 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.399 all the research they do, everything they do to to 262 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.440 come up with those costumes, when in this case, you 263 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:55.320 just go to the store and you pick what. 264 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:57.519 You're not even going to the story. You're just you're 265 00:13:57.519 --> 00:13:59.919 calling up a design house and saying send pieces. Oh, 266 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:03.799 and we'll just say exactly, and this is not costume design, 267 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:06.559 this is you're servant. You're a stylist. At that point. 268 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:09.159 The difference between being a stylist and being a costume 269 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:12.360 designer is that a stylist is there to project an 270 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:15.840 image on a client, whereas a costume designer is there 271 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:19.240 to build a character right exactly and to make sure 272 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:22.159 that all the choices that they are making for that 273 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:25.879 character makes sense for that character and tell you something 274 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:29.200 about that character. Just calling up Botega Vanetta and saying 275 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:32.159 send over some shirts, you're not doing that. And that 276 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:34.679 is and the reason I brought up in just like 277 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:38.240 that is because this has been a trend in costume 278 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:42.679 design for years now. You can go back to like 279 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:45.200 crazy rich Asians. Because I was doing research on the 280 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.399 costumes in that film for something I was working on, 281 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:50.159 and the costume designer said, we just had you know 282 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:53.440 once once everything was set in place, that it was 283 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:55.919 you know that we were making this film based on 284 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:58.600 this book. They just all called her, all of the 285 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:01.519 fashion houses called her, and she just had to pick dresses. 286 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:04.039 That's all she had to do. And at least in 287 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:07.759 that instance, those people do there for that they were 288 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:11.840 like the one percent they do wear those clothes. I agree, 289 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:15.720 but I use that as an example of I think 290 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:18.919 that opened up a floodgate of like, let's just let's 291 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:22.440 just call up design houses and have them even Devil 292 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:26.120 Wear's product too. For the most part, because I did 293 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:29.440 think when we were covering the shoots and everything, I 294 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:31.039 did think, I'm like, oh my god, they're all going 295 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:33.039 to be in clown clothes. They're going to look ridiculous. 296 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.080 And for the most part, they didn't look ridiculous. But 297 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:41.120 I could tell that Andy was wearing some very expensive 298 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:44.879 items and supposedly that's not who she is, right, And 299 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:46.879 I don't mean the stuff that she was pulling from 300 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:49.240 the closet. I mean like she was showing up on 301 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:52.879 her first day at Runway in what was a very 302 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:53.799 expensive at. 303 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:56.320 Her excuse was that she was going to Vinture store 304 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:01.399 and whatever and buying those items. That's yeah, such bullshit. 305 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:03.919 That is such bullshit. It's lazy costumes. 306 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.480 People have had the same complete with Blake Lively in 307 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:08.919 her movie that she was wearing Chanel bags or whatever, 308 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:10.679 you know, Louis Vuittone bags or whatever, when. 309 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:14.639 Her character was not wealthy, no owns a shop. That's 310 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.440 I hate that. It's not character work, it's not costume design. 311 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:21.679 It's just lazy styling. Yeah, all right, are we done 312 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:22.440 with that anyway? 313 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:24.559 I just think it's an interesting conversation. I wonder what 314 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:27.200 you guys think. Do you care if they're wearing those items? 315 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.320 Do you think you know it's at all? I mean, 316 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:31.559 I guess you should love fashion. You see these items 317 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:33.799 right away when you watch a movie you know, or 318 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:38.279 a TV show, you recognize those items. Does it bother you? 319 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:39.360 Do you care? Anyway? 320 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:41.799 All right, let's take a sharp break and we'll be 321 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:43.639 back to talk. About more things that have piste us 322 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:47.399 off this week. We'll be right back. We're back, and 323 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:50.120 Lorenzo has a whole bunch of TikTok stuff about Billie Eilish, 324 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:52.120 and I gotta say he started telling me about it. 325 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:54.759 I'm like, I don't, I don't understand. What the We'll 326 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:57.399 just save it for the mic, So go Lorenzo. 327 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:02.240 Billy Eilish, bless her heart. She has good intentions and 328 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:05.359 and she but she always makes those statements that people 329 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:08.200 are always talking about it. And you know, like when 330 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:10.640 she said that you all look like me, you know, 331 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:13.599 and or she talked about the billionaires, why don't you 332 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:17.400 give you money to everybody? You know? Or the illegal 333 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:21.279 immigrants you know, talking about that, you know, you know, 334 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:22.480 that's not your land. 335 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:27.039 That's little, all these things. You're just talking and you 336 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:27.880 look like me. 337 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:30.839 You look like me. It's when she was on stage 338 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:34.119 in Ireland and she said that she looked at the 339 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:36.079 crowd and she said, wow, you all look like me. 340 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:39.559 And there was a huge backlash against that because people were. 341 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:41.480 Like, all right, they thought it was racist. Talked I 342 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:42.359 thought it was racist. 343 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:44.680 We talked about that one the I know, some of 344 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:46.720 the other ones The other one is she was at 345 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:50.200 the ws the Washington what is it, the w s 346 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:56.039 J magazine, Wester Journay, Thank your magazine, Uh Innovator Awards, 347 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:59.200 and she said, you know, she looked at the crowd 348 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:01.119 and she said, oh, you were a bunch of billionaires. 349 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:04.519 Why are you a billionaire? Give your money away? And 350 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:08.400 they all again backlash, You are a millionaire yourself, so 351 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:11.880 why aren't you giving you money away? As well? I'm 352 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:13.400 just repeating what people were saying. 353 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:14.599 Then I think that's bullshit. 354 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:14.960 Yeah. 355 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:17.640 I thought the Ireland thing was bullshit too, but okay, 356 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:18.119 go ahead. 357 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:21.200 The other thing was the Grammy Awards two tenty twenty six. 358 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:24.279 She said no one is illegal on stolen land f 359 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:27.640 ice and then against again. The backlash was like, well, 360 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:29.480 you live in a mansion. Why don't you give you 361 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:30.440 a mention to the immigrants? 362 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:33.400 These are all very I know. I'm sorry. I don't 363 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:34.319 agree with any of these. 364 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.119 I agree, but they just go after those statements and 365 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:41.640 I see where she's going with this. Well, let me 366 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:45.119 go to the glass. That's pretty much it. And then 367 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:49.160 the last one lately, because she's promoting her documentary, is 368 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:52.480 that she said she was asked about because she is 369 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:55.000 vegan and she's been vegan for a long time, since 370 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:58.400 she was a little girl. And then she said something 371 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:01.759 about you cannot love animals if you eat meat at 372 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:04.519 the same time, something like that, and that one has 373 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:07.880 really exploded. All that one is because you can't talk 374 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:13.519 about meat without having a huge discussion about it. So anyway, 375 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:18.119 and then she wasn't finished. She went to her Instagram 376 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:21.359 account and she kept saying, you know, you know, stay 377 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:24.079 fucking mad at me. I don't give a fuck, and 378 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:27.119 those are her words. And then that she wasn't done, 379 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:32.079 she started posting on her story all these horrible images 380 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:37.319 of animals and getting tortured and stuff like that. So anyway, so. 381 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:44.680 People I respond to number one, I think, oh, people 382 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:46.799 are made of Billie Eilish. I'm like, oh, it's a 383 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:49.720 day that ends in wide. A female pop star is 384 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:53.680 getting backlash, like true, and she's an outspoken female pop star, 385 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:58.319 so anything she says is going to get backlash. That's 386 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:02.400 number one. Number one too. I do think the animal 387 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:06.880 thing is inflammatory as hell. I mean, you can't go 388 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:10.759 around it's one thing to advocate for veganism or vegetarianism 389 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:14.240 or to talk about the cruelty of the meat industry. 390 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:17.160 But you if you go around saying you can't claim 391 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:21.119 to love animals like ooh girl, no, no, that doesn't fly. 392 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:24.160 I eat burgers and I love my cats, and there's 393 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:26.920 no I don't have any sort of problem with I. 394 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:30.680 Don't eat meat. I understand what she's saying. I understand, 395 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:35.400 and it is a very touchy subject, even when I 396 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:38.599 talk to my family or my brother loves meat and he. 397 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:40.559 Looked at me like he's crazy. 398 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.440 We were we were in the Netherlands and he was 399 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:46.200 preparing dinner and I said I don't eat meat, and 400 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:48.119 he looked at me like, no, no meat at all. 401 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:52.559