1 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: We're Tom and Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style 2 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:27,440 Opinion Fest. Hell look it and walk back to another 3 00:00:27,559 --> 00:00:29,320 edition of the Pso I am the Tea and you're 4 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,239 Telow Tom Fitzgerald, and I'm here with the low and 5 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,320 your te lot. Lorenzo my cousin husband, and you're. 6 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:35,719 Speaker 2: Here we tab Hunter on the table. 7 00:00:35,799 --> 00:00:38,119 Speaker 1: Tab Hunter a twenty five pound cat who has been 8 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,880 drawing blood lately. Oh my god, yeah, fit me the 9 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,119 other night in bed because he got very excited. I 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,920 was rubbing his belly in the wrong spot. And this boy, 11 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,119 you have to understand, he is a big cat, and 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,079 he's got teeth like a dog's teeth, and cats they 13 00:00:55,079 --> 00:00:57,439 will nip when they want you to stop doing something, 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,600 and you know they're usually pretty good at the Tab's 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,439 teeth are so freaking huge that he wound up drawing blood. 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,280 It was like one in the morning, and I had 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:06,920 to get out of bed to wash because you don't 18 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,879 want to get cats scratch fever or anything like that. 19 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:13,519 And then yesterday he wanted to jump in my seat 20 00:01:13,599 --> 00:01:15,560 while I was He loves when I do my duo 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,159 lingo lessons. Whenever he hears duo lingo, he comes running. 22 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,359 It's so cute because he wants to sit in my 23 00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:25,959 lap and learn Portuguese with me. And he tried to 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,760 jump in my lap and I was wearing a pair 25 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,560 of shorts, and he's getting old, which means he can't 26 00:01:31,599 --> 00:01:35,920 make jumps as quickly as gracefully as he once did. 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:41,040 So he dug his massive sabertoothed tiger claws right into 28 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:45,040 my bare thigh and then slid. I know, yeah, so 29 00:01:45,159 --> 00:01:46,719 I have a slash on my lap. 30 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 31 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: I don't know why we're starting off the podcast with 32 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:52,760 this nonsense. Anyway, we have a pod porie of topics 33 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:56,519 to discuss. We actually once again relate with this because 34 00:01:56,519 --> 00:01:59,439 we really couldn't pull together an entire podcast, and then 35 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,159 ultimately we said, all right, well, it's just been five 36 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,719 minutes on a bunch of different podcasts, like this is 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,759 some sort of weekend update. So but what I do 38 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:13,199 like about these pod pori things is that we don't 39 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:16,000 get stuck in one thing. We're not just talking about 40 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,759 a TV show or just talking about celebrity gossip. We 41 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,240 have a bunch of things to talk about here. I 42 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,759 want to start off with a red carpet topic, especially 43 00:02:25,759 --> 00:02:28,280 because this one's a little late. We're getting to this one, 44 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,240 and it's a holdover from the Met collar A couple 45 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:36,560 of weeks back, we were contacted by Lamonde, the French newspaper, 46 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:42,479 to give our thoughts on theme dressing and cosplay dressing 47 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,000 and everything. And I kind of love that our dislike 48 00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:47,680 of that sort of thing has reached an international audience. 49 00:02:48,719 --> 00:02:51,039 And I did say I don't think it wound up 50 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,479 in the final piece, but I did say one of 51 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:57,039 the things I don't like about this move away from 52 00:02:57,159 --> 00:02:59,439 fashion on the Red Carpet is that we're going to 53 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:05,199 get more and more into spectacle and costumes. And sure enough, 54 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,240 a couple of days later, the Metgala happened, and here 55 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:13,479 comes Heidi Cloom in her Halloween costume, and here comes 56 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,360 bed Bunny in his old man makeup. And I hate it. 57 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,080 I hate it so much that people are starting to 58 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,360 use prosthetics for events that are entirely about fashion. 59 00:03:26,439 --> 00:03:29,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was. The Hollywood Reporter had an 60 00:03:29,199 --> 00:03:33,199 article this week about the whole The Devil's Wear product 61 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,199 preparation for the for the Red Carpet everything, and how 62 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,520 much they thought about all those things like right wearing costumes. 63 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,719 They're wearing things that no costumes, you know, wearing things 64 00:03:44,759 --> 00:03:47,840 that the characters would wear, Yes, exactly, that would remind 65 00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:50,319 people of the costumes in the movie and all that. 66 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,360 And it was just like, yeah, that that's the direction. 67 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:55,039 Speaker 1: Now I hate it, and I'm going to use my 68 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,960 platform to rail against it. And if Lamon wants to 69 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 call me up, I'll yell about that too. Listen. I 70 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,840 don't think we're likely to see a lot of costume, 71 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,919 a lot of makeup effects or prosthetics going forward on 72 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,439 the Red carpet, but I do feel like I need to, 73 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:16,680 you know, sound the alarm a little bit. The met 74 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:22,160 Gala is not like a Marvel movie promotional event or 75 00:04:22,199 --> 00:04:24,639 something like that. It is not about people going out 76 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,480 and promoting projects. It's literally about elevating fashion. It is 77 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:33,920 an entire night devoted to fashion. It is the one 78 00:04:34,079 --> 00:04:37,720 red carpet that we cover every year that is only 79 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:41,040 about fashion. It's not about awards, it's not about premieres, 80 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:45,480 it's not about debut albums or anything like that. It 81 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,920 is strictly a bunch of people getting together in the 82 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,360 most outrageous outfits they can devise to celebrate fashion. And 83 00:04:53,399 --> 00:04:58,920 to raise money for a costume institute. And for me, 84 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,360 it's very alarming. On this the premiere fashion event of 85 00:05:02,399 --> 00:05:05,560 the year, people are showing up in freaking rubber masks 86 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:09,160 and fake noses and shit like that. And I hate 87 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:11,759 that Anna Winter has lost control of this sort of thing. 88 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,360 I think she's trying so hard to soften her image. 89 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,480 That's why she sort of embraced the Devilwares product too, 90 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:22,720 even though she wouldn't even talk about the first film. 91 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,120 That's true, it's and now she's like letting just anybody 92 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,199 walk onto that Macalla red carpet in anything, like Troy 93 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:31,199 Savann was wearing jeans, and I was like, you know what, 94 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,360 I've been covering this for fifteen years and she never 95 00:05:34,399 --> 00:05:36,680 would have allowed that. Even five years. 96 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:39,319 Speaker 2: People weren't even allowed to take pictures inside, licking the 97 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:41,120 basket or anything like that. I mean, but. 98 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,759 Speaker 1: It's she's you know, and I get it, because this 99 00:05:43,879 --> 00:05:47,040 event is, you know, you invite all of these celebrities 100 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:50,360 to generate the kind of press that you know this 101 00:05:50,439 --> 00:05:54,000 event generates, and you kind of have to let celebrities 102 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,879 do whatever they want to do otherwise they're not going 103 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,000 to show up well. 104 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,519 Speaker 2: And they have new owners. Yeah, what do you mean 105 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,920 the Macala has new owners, you know, so to speak. 106 00:06:03,959 --> 00:06:06,199 I mean you have the Amazon people knowing. 107 00:06:06,399 --> 00:06:07,199 Speaker 1: Well, they don't own it. 108 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 2: They just well, if you give money, you own it. 109 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:14,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess anyway, I just wanted to rail against 110 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,399 that because I feel like, if they're doing this at 111 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:18,759 the Metgala, then yes, someone's going to show up at 112 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:21,839 the next Marvel movie or DC movie or Star Wars 113 00:06:21,879 --> 00:06:26,480 movie work in some sort of goofy ass makeup effect. 114 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,480 That is not what the Red Carpet is about. I know. 115 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: I think I think you're going to We're gonna see 116 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:31,839 that more and more. 117 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: I hate it. I'm going to make such an issue 118 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:34,040 out of it. 119 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think there's always going to be people 120 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,879 who will say no to it because they're they're too 121 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,959 self aware of how they look on the red carpet, 122 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,360 and they don't want to look a certain way that 123 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,839 doesn't go with whatever they think if their view. 124 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: Yes, but the reason that I am somewhat fearful of 125 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,480 this is that a lot of celebrities hate the red carpet. 126 00:06:53,519 --> 00:06:56,319 They hate the idea of fashion, they hate the idea 127 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,720 of putting themselves on display. And I am not unsympathetic 128 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:03,439 to that perspective, but I really hate the idea of 129 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,800 stepping out in a frickin rubber mask because you don't 130 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,120 like being photographed. Like, suck it up, Just suck it up. 131 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,560 You don't have to wear tour or whatever. You pose 132 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,879 for five pictures and walk off. But I think it 133 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,240 depends on Mary in a Halloween costume is a no. 134 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: I agree, And I think it depends on the person 135 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:22,759 and how they feel on the red carpet. I'll give 136 00:07:22,759 --> 00:07:24,600 you an example of mars Ree. You could tell that 137 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,319 she was loving all those gigantic coats on her because 138 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:27,720 it's a. 139 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: Weird, dumpy Yeah, it's coffee. 140 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:31,439 Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about anything. 141 00:07:31,519 --> 00:07:33,639 Speaker 1: Not wearing shape wear. She probably didn't shave her let. 142 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,199 Speaker 2: You're completely covered up. 143 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: And I fully I am not standing here saying. You know, 144 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,519 everyone needs a manny petty. You know everyone has to 145 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,399 be tanned and moisture and now cover yourselves up. That's 146 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:50,120 the beauty of fashion. Fashion is not just about exposing 147 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,279 the body. It's about, you know, obscuring the body, if 148 00:07:53,319 --> 00:07:56,560 that's what you want. Fashion isn't just about standing out. 149 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,120 Sometimes it's about receding in a way that is eleg 150 00:08:00,399 --> 00:08:01,199 and the strain. 151 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:03,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, but people do like look at the kardash and 152 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:05,519 they're like, all right, I can't show I can't show 153 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,639 my real nipple, so I'm gonna show a plastic one. 154 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, fake nipple. Anyway, that was my one takeaway from 155 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:15,839 the Macala was like, oh shit, they're gonna start wearing 156 00:08:15,839 --> 00:08:19,439 this shit on regular red carpet. Not that I think honestly, 157 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:21,959 if only Heidi had showed up like that, I would 158 00:08:21,959 --> 00:08:23,720 have rolled my eyes and said, yeah, this is what 159 00:08:23,759 --> 00:08:25,879 we said in the in the post about her, which 160 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,720 was this this isn't a Halloween party. But when bad 161 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:31,240 money shows up, I'm like, oh no, you were opening 162 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:35,159 the door. You are a trendsetter. Heidi Klum is not 163 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:35,799 a trends I. 164 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: Think it's people again watering down a great idea. I 165 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:43,519 go back to the Barbie movies. That was clever because 166 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,039 he was like, all right, let's pay homage to old barbiees, 167 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:52,200 giving a new giving a twist, you know, giving every 168 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,279 look a twist. That's what he did. He Andrew Komo, Yeah, 169 00:08:56,279 --> 00:08:58,600 that's what he did. I mean, every look wasn't exactly 170 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,120 what the dog looked like, but it was some sort 171 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:04,559 of like you know, interpretation of it. So that was clever. 172 00:09:04,759 --> 00:09:07,639 But then we're just like, now we're just going with 173 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,159 you know, you know, with tennis both. 174 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate it anyway, that's my little rant. Yeah, 175 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:15,879 why don't we move on to your little rant about 176 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,559 costume design or do you want to No, No, let's 177 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:19,600 talk about costume design. 178 00:09:19,639 --> 00:09:21,799 Speaker 2: And I thought I thought it was interesting. I mean, 179 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,440 it's it's very common that people watch TV, especially the 180 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,639 young generation. They watch shows and they love monsters. The 181 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:33,399 youngsters on TikTok and social media, they they love to 182 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,360 watch what the you know, the characters are wearing, and 183 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:38,600 they're going they go after the items, they want to 184 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,840 buy the items, and they complain that the items are 185 00:09:40,879 --> 00:09:43,840 too expensive, blah blah blah. So the latest conversation was 186 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:48,720 about Aria, which is a horrible season by the way, terrible, 187 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,320 terrible season anyway, So what they're they were complaining that 188 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,879 Jacob or LORDI, the character Nate Jacobs, has been wearing 189 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,639 nothing but but tiga Veneda, very expensive items and it 190 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,720 doesn't go with the character. So they were all there 191 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:09,799 was like a huge backlash against it because he was 192 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:14,240 wearing this plaid fannel flannel and the shirt is like 193 00:10:14,279 --> 00:10:16,919 six dollars, So which is. 194 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,879 Speaker 1: This is something that's been going on for a while 195 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:19,960 in costume design. 196 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:21,039 Speaker 2: Go ahead. 197 00:10:21,639 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: I just want to note that this was also an 198 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,639 issue in the last season of The Bear when they 199 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,840 were working in that kitchen wearing like Louis Vuitton jackets 200 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,679 and Montclair and stuff like that. 201 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: And her uniform was Tom Brown. 202 00:10:34,879 --> 00:10:39,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, I don't want to jump in 203 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:41,759 this is your rant, but this is a thing that's 204 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:46,759 been happening with costume design for a while, and you 205 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:49,120 see it in Like, You saw it in Like and 206 00:10:49,279 --> 00:10:52,600 just like that, where when you go back to Sex 207 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:55,600 and the City, when Pat Fields was doing that that series, 208 00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:00,559 she was pulling from vintage shops and boutiques. The items 209 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,799 were high label items, but she did not have a 210 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:06,480 rolodex of contacts at all of the cature house, so 211 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,200 she had to go out and shop for that stuff. 212 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:13,039 And subsequently, those characters wardrobes had real personality. They felt 213 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,600 like real New York stylish New Yorkers, New Yorkers with 214 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,799 a lot of money. And then you come to and 215 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:21,279 just like that, where Pet Fields was not involved. Pet Field. 216 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,559 People always put anss on the end of her it 217 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:28,279 is Field, I think anyway, she was not involved. And 218 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,440 in the years since the show, the franchise had become 219 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:36,879 this like fantasy fashion franchise, which is not what it 220 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,840 was back in the day. And subsequently, all the characters 221 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:42,679 in and just like that were tottering around in high 222 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,919 heels on New York City sidewalks, six thousand dollars shoes, 223 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,720 ten thousand dollars bags. The outfit, every outfit was you 224 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,720 could have bought a house with it, and there was 225 00:11:53,759 --> 00:11:57,120 nothing realistic about it. And these are wealthy New Yorkers 226 00:11:57,279 --> 00:12:00,480 and even those characters, those people are not walking around 227 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,200 in on the street with a cup of coffee in 228 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:06,320 ten thousand dollars shoes exactly. That's the kind of stupidity 229 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:07,159 that I don't like. 230 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: I'm sorry so because if is a show for the 231 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:15,039 young generation that I see again, they were very outspoken, 232 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,159 very loud on on TikTok and everywhere, talking about how 233 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,679 ridiculous that is that a character like you know, Nate 234 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:25,759 Jacobs is wearing a six thousand dollar shirt. So bad. 235 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,279 Excuse me that the custom designer Natasha Newman Thomas for 236 00:12:29,399 --> 00:12:31,879 the show came out with a statement. She gave an 237 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:35,919 interview and everything that she said, you know, HBO had 238 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,759 a very tight budget. We're very happy that. But take 239 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:43,159 up and Aida you know, came and help us with 240 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:47,279 the you know, gave us you know, support, blah blah blah. 241 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,080 But it doesn't go with a character. And then she 242 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,519 tried to defend the character, say, well, the character is 243 00:12:51,519 --> 00:12:53,519 trying very hard to look a certain way because he 244 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,240 has all these investors and he wants to look like 245 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,399 you know, he's wearing expensive clothes. But he's in I 246 00:12:59,519 --> 00:13:03,879 forget office someplace in his house wearing just a basic 247 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:08,480 plaid flannel. You know, It's not like he's wearing a 248 00:13:08,519 --> 00:13:11,840 suit to go to a meeting or something. So they 249 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,960 all complained about it. They said, it's ridiculous. But the 250 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,559 whole the thing with the whole show is that the 251 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,720 show this isn't really bad. And the feeling that I 252 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,240 get is that nobody wanted to go back, Zendy Jacob 253 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:26,720 I mean, they all have incredible careers now, they didn't 254 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,720 want to go back. I think they were forced to 255 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,559 go back. And I think Jacob El already pretty much said, fine, 256 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,080 I'll go back, but I'm gonna wear but Tikavania, you know. 257 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,679 And that's what he's doing and which is so against 258 00:13:38,759 --> 00:13:41,279 everything that we talk about when he comes to costume design. 259 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:43,759 You know, we interview custom designers and they talk about 260 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:47,919 the process of creating these looks and how much, you know, 261 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,399 all the research they do, everything they do to to 262 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,440 come up with those costumes, when in this case, you 263 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,320 just go to the store and you pick what. 264 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,519 Speaker 1: You're not even going to the story. You're just you're 265 00:13:57,519 --> 00:13:59,919 calling up a design house and saying send pieces. Oh, 266 00:14:00,279 --> 00:14:03,799 and we'll just say exactly, and this is not costume design, 267 00:14:03,879 --> 00:14:06,559 this is you're servant. You're a stylist. At that point. 268 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,159 The difference between being a stylist and being a costume 269 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,360 designer is that a stylist is there to project an 270 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:15,840 image on a client, whereas a costume designer is there 271 00:14:15,879 --> 00:14:19,240 to build a character right exactly and to make sure 272 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:22,159 that all the choices that they are making for that 273 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,879 character makes sense for that character and tell you something 274 00:14:25,919 --> 00:14:29,200 about that character. Just calling up Botega Vanetta and saying 275 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,159 send over some shirts, you're not doing that. And that 276 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,679 is and the reason I brought up in just like 277 00:14:34,759 --> 00:14:38,240 that is because this has been a trend in costume 278 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,679 design for years now. You can go back to like 279 00:14:42,799 --> 00:14:45,200 crazy rich Asians. Because I was doing research on the 280 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,399 costumes in that film for something I was working on, 281 00:14:47,559 --> 00:14:50,159 and the costume designer said, we just had you know 282 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,440 once once everything was set in place, that it was 283 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,919 you know that we were making this film based on 284 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,600 this book. They just all called her, all of the 285 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:01,519 fashion houses called her, and she just had to pick dresses. 286 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,039 That's all she had to do. And at least in 287 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,759 that instance, those people do there for that they were 288 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:11,840 like the one percent they do wear those clothes. I agree, 289 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,720 but I use that as an example of I think 290 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,919 that opened up a floodgate of like, let's just let's 291 00:15:19,039 --> 00:15:22,440 just call up design houses and have them even Devil 292 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,120 Wear's product too. For the most part, because I did 293 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,440 think when we were covering the shoots and everything, I 294 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,039 did think, I'm like, oh my god, they're all going 295 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,039 to be in clown clothes. They're going to look ridiculous. 296 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,080 And for the most part, they didn't look ridiculous. But 297 00:15:38,679 --> 00:15:41,120 I could tell that Andy was wearing some very expensive 298 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:44,879 items and supposedly that's not who she is, right, And 299 00:15:44,919 --> 00:15:46,879 I don't mean the stuff that she was pulling from 300 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:49,240 the closet. I mean like she was showing up on 301 00:15:49,279 --> 00:15:52,879 her first day at Runway in what was a very 302 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:53,799 expensive at. 303 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: Her excuse was that she was going to Vinture store 304 00:15:56,399 --> 00:16:01,399 and whatever and buying those items. That's yeah, such bullshit. 305 00:16:01,559 --> 00:16:03,919 Speaker 1: That is such bullshit. It's lazy costumes. 306 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: People have had the same complete with Blake Lively in 307 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:08,919 her movie that she was wearing Chanel bags or whatever, 308 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,679 you know, Louis Vuittone bags or whatever, when. 309 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:14,639 Speaker 1: Her character was not wealthy, no owns a shop. That's 310 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,440 I hate that. It's not character work, it's not costume design. 311 00:16:18,559 --> 00:16:21,679 It's just lazy styling. Yeah, all right, are we done 312 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,440 with that anyway? 313 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,559 Speaker 2: I just think it's an interesting conversation. I wonder what 314 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,200 you guys think. Do you care if they're wearing those items? 315 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,320 Do you think you know it's at all? I mean, 316 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,559 I guess you should love fashion. You see these items 317 00:16:31,639 --> 00:16:33,799 right away when you watch a movie you know, or 318 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,279 a TV show, you recognize those items. Does it bother you? 319 00:16:38,279 --> 00:16:39,360 Do you care? Anyway? 320 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,799 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a sharp break and we'll be 321 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,639 back to talk. About more things that have piste us 322 00:16:43,639 --> 00:16:47,399 off this week. We'll be right back. We're back, and 323 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:50,120 Lorenzo has a whole bunch of TikTok stuff about Billie Eilish, 324 00:16:50,159 --> 00:16:52,120 and I gotta say he started telling me about it. 325 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:54,759 I'm like, I don't, I don't understand. What the We'll 326 00:16:54,799 --> 00:16:57,399 just save it for the mic, So go Lorenzo. 327 00:16:57,519 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: Billy Eilish, bless her heart. She has good intentions and 328 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,359 and she but she always makes those statements that people 329 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,200 are always talking about it. And you know, like when 330 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,640 she said that you all look like me, you know, 331 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:13,599 and or she talked about the billionaires, why don't you 332 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:17,400 give you money to everybody? You know? Or the illegal 333 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,279 immigrants you know, talking about that, you know, you know, 334 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:22,480 that's not your land. 335 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:27,039 Speaker 1: That's little, all these things. You're just talking and you 336 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:27,880 look like me. 337 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,839 Speaker 2: You look like me. It's when she was on stage 338 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,119 in Ireland and she said that she looked at the 339 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,079 crowd and she said, wow, you all look like me. 340 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:39,559 And there was a huge backlash against that because people were. 341 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: Like, all right, they thought it was racist. Talked I 342 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:42,359 thought it was racist. 343 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 2: We talked about that one the I know, some of 344 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,720 the other ones The other one is she was at 345 00:17:46,759 --> 00:17:50,200 the ws the Washington what is it, the w s 346 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:56,039 J magazine, Wester Journay, Thank your magazine, Uh Innovator Awards, 347 00:17:56,039 --> 00:17:59,200 and she said, you know, she looked at the crowd 348 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,119 and she said, oh, you were a bunch of billionaires. 349 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,519 Why are you a billionaire? Give your money away? And 350 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:08,400 they all again backlash, You are a millionaire yourself, so 351 00:18:08,519 --> 00:18:11,880 why aren't you giving you money away? As well? I'm 352 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,400 just repeating what people were saying. 353 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:14,599 Speaker 1: Then I think that's bullshit. 354 00:18:14,759 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 355 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: I thought the Ireland thing was bullshit too, but okay, 356 00:18:17,759 --> 00:18:18,119 go ahead. 357 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 2: The other thing was the Grammy Awards two tenty twenty six. 358 00:18:21,319 --> 00:18:24,279 She said no one is illegal on stolen land f 359 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,640 ice and then against again. The backlash was like, well, 360 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,480 you live in a mansion. Why don't you give you 361 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:30,440 a mention to the immigrants? 362 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: These are all very I know. I'm sorry. I don't 363 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,319 agree with any of these. 364 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: I agree, but they just go after those statements and 365 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,640 I see where she's going with this. Well, let me 366 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:45,119 go to the glass. That's pretty much it. And then 367 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,160 the last one lately, because she's promoting her documentary, is 368 00:18:49,279 --> 00:18:52,480 that she said she was asked about because she is 369 00:18:52,759 --> 00:18:55,000 vegan and she's been vegan for a long time, since 370 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,400 she was a little girl. And then she said something 371 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,759 about you cannot love animals if you eat meat at 372 00:19:01,799 --> 00:19:04,519 the same time, something like that, and that one has 373 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,880 really exploded. All that one is because you can't talk 374 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,519 about meat without having a huge discussion about it. So anyway, 375 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,119 and then she wasn't finished. She went to her Instagram 376 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,359 account and she kept saying, you know, you know, stay 377 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,079 fucking mad at me. I don't give a fuck, and 378 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,119 those are her words. And then that she wasn't done, 379 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:32,079 she started posting on her story all these horrible images 380 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:37,319 of animals and getting tortured and stuff like that. So anyway, so. 381 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: People I respond to number one, I think, oh, people 382 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,799 are made of Billie Eilish. I'm like, oh, it's a 383 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,720 day that ends in wide. A female pop star is 384 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,680 getting backlash, like true, and she's an outspoken female pop star, 385 00:19:53,839 --> 00:19:58,319 so anything she says is going to get backlash. That's 386 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,400 number one. Number one too. I do think the animal 387 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,880 thing is inflammatory as hell. I mean, you can't go 388 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,759 around it's one thing to advocate for veganism or vegetarianism 389 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,240 or to talk about the cruelty of the meat industry. 390 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,160 But you if you go around saying you can't claim 391 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,119 to love animals like ooh girl, no, no, that doesn't fly. 392 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:24,160 I eat burgers and I love my cats, and there's 393 00:20:24,279 --> 00:20:26,920 no I don't have any sort of problem with I. 394 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 2: Don't eat meat. I understand what she's saying. I understand, 395 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:35,400 and it is a very touchy subject, even when I 396 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,599 talk to my family or my brother loves meat and he. 397 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:40,559 Speaker 1: Looked at me like he's crazy. 398 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 2: We were we were in the Netherlands and he was 399 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,200 preparing dinner and I said I don't eat meat, and 400 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,119 he looked at me like, no, no meat at all. 401 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,559 You should want that anyway. So I tend to avoid 402 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:56,640 these discussions because they're they're heated, and I understand why. 403 00:20:57,519 --> 00:20:59,720 And the point people were making very mad at her 404 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,319 is that not everyone has the money to be vegan 405 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,599 or vegetarian. It's very expensive to buy food, you know, 406 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,480 vegetarian food or vegan food. That's what people were saying. 407 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:11,160 I'm repeating what people were saying. They were also saying 408 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,799 that you should go after the animal farming industry, not 409 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,680 people who actually eat meat. And also the cultural part 410 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,960 of it. That there there are many many countries, many 411 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,960 many places where people eat a lot of meat. It's 412 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:22,680 part of their culture. 413 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: Now I agree with that. I mean it was a 414 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:30,920 very anytime you have these discussions, they almost always come 415 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:35,559 from a place of privilege. To deny yourself, you know, meat, 416 00:21:35,599 --> 00:21:40,400 to have a meat free diet. Pardon me. It's indicative 417 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,039 of privilege for most people. 418 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:43,279 Speaker 2: Right, And I just want to make one more point 419 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,759 before you make your argument. People were also saying, which 420 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:49,720 is true. I went and checked that she has to 421 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,319 deal with cosmetic companies that test on animals. Yeah, I 422 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,279 mean that's I mean, it's out there. I mean I. 423 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: Didn't think cosmetics companies did that much testing on animals. 424 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,279 Speaker 2: And do what are you talking about this? 425 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: I do think got rid of most of them. 426 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,279 Speaker 2: I don't think so anyway. So that's what they were saying, 427 00:22:05,559 --> 00:22:07,680 that she's a hypocrite, that she has a lot of money, 428 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,359 and that she throws these things out there, uh, to 429 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,319 create this kind of backlash and then you know it 430 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,839 doesn't have much to back it up. 431 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,519 Speaker 1: Okay, what I hate about this is that it, uh, 432 00:22:19,559 --> 00:22:23,279 it's just the same old celebrity should not speak up, right, 433 00:22:23,319 --> 00:22:25,920 and they should just count their money. And I don't 434 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,160 believe that. I don't believe that. She has always been 435 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,079 an artist who has convictions about certain things, and she's 436 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,519 always been outspoken about certain things. And the idea that, oh, 437 00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:38,000 you're a millionaire, you shouldn't talk about veganism, well, that's 438 00:22:38,039 --> 00:22:41,759 just bullshit. That's stupid. And the other thing is, uh, 439 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,759 I really dislike the idea, like you can't listen. The 440 00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:48,440 whole thing about you know, being on stolen land and 441 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,920 everything is it's so easy to turn that against someone 442 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,680 who makes those comments, you know, land acknowledgments and that 443 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,839 sort of thing. It's so easy to paint people who 444 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:02,200 may those sort of comments as just out of touch 445 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,039 liberals or whatever. But there's nothing wrong with pointing out, 446 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:12,119 you know, the colonialist history of America. And the idea 447 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,720 that she shouldn't because she lives in a mansion. That's 448 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:16,920 that when people say you shouldn't talk about that because 449 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,880 you live, well, that's bullshit. That has nothing to her. 450 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,480 Living in a mansion does not have anything to do 451 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:24,799 with us stealing land from indigenous people. That's not the 452 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,119 same thing, right, And it's fine for her or anybody 453 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,319 else to talk about it. It's like that cartoon that 454 00:23:31,319 --> 00:23:33,319 you see on social media all the time where it's 455 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,680 it's like a peasant saying we should, you know, improve 456 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,680 society someone and then the person is like, curious, you 457 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,279 you're but you're part of society, you can't you know. 458 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,559 I guess this goes back to certain things like when 459 00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:53,359 we when we spoke out against Dulchankabana for for all 460 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,880 the racism that was in their work, or when we 461 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,880 spoke when we spoke out we wouldn't for Johnny Depp 462 00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:04,519 because you know, his divorce case got so ugly and everything, 463 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,559 and we made statements to that effect, we're not going 464 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,319 to cover this, you know, blah blah blah. We're standing 465 00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:13,039 on principles, and then we were attacked for the routinely 466 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,119 to this day. Oh you people will just pick something 467 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:19,759 and say, oh, you spoke out against this, but you 468 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:23,720 won't speak out against I remember that a bunch of 469 00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:27,920 people went to Dubai for some event and we made 470 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,640 some comment about, you know, the human rights abuses against 471 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:36,680 LGBTQ people in you know, the UAE, and we got 472 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,279 a bunch of comments about, well, I guess you don't 473 00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:40,599 care about how they treat women. So it's one of 474 00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:44,079 those things where if you speak out against something, someone 475 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,519 will eventually well immediately say, well, why aren't you speaking 476 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:48,759 out against everything? 477 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, my experience, go ahead, My experience would no, no, 478 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,799 go go. My experience would Celebrities in general saying anything 479 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,440 is that it's fine when you agree with them, it's 480 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,240 not okay when you don't agree with him. Uh. In general, 481 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:03,279 that's how people, wow, the public reacts. 482 00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: Listen, if some celebrity wants to make some maga conservative commentary, 483 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:09,920 that's not the right to do it. I don't think 484 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,160 they shouldn't do That's. 485 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 2: Where I'm getting it. Like, you know, we can't be 486 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,000 mad when people support Trump or or anything and then 487 00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:19,559 talk about all these things horrible things, you know, and then. 488 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,519 Speaker 1: At I can be mad at them. 489 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,279 Speaker 2: I can be mad at them, but my point is 490 00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:24,799 that they have the right the right to say it. 491 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:26,599 That's my point. They have the right to say that 492 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,200 these horrible things in my opinion. Yeah, and then you know, 493 00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:32,480 she means the only problem that I have here a 494 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:35,039 little bit is that she throws the line and that's it. 495 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:38,039 Speaker 1: She's young and she's young. Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying 496 00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:41,519 she's some yeah that she's well considered or anything. I 497 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:44,519 think she's an artist. I don't think as a spokesperson 498 00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:47,440 she's the first person I would turn to. But she's young, 499 00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:50,759 she's outspoken, and as far as I'm concerned, I think 500 00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:52,599 her politics are largely in the right place. The other 501 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,400 thing I wanted to point out was the her calling 502 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,759 out billionaires and people saying, well, why are you doing that? 503 00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:01,319 You're a millionaire and people, the difference between a million 504 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:06,559 dollars and a billion dollars is just almost unfathomable, and 505 00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:11,279 the power that billionaires hold is not even comparable to 506 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:14,000 what your average millionaire pop star holds. Like, I don't 507 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,279 even know in twenty twenty six, with Elon Musk out 508 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:20,839 in the world, Jeff Bezos out in the world, how 509 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:24,160 you could possibly think that they are comparable to Billy 510 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,240 Freakin Eilish right. 511 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,759 Speaker 2: I agree, I totally agree. I just think that in 512 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,960 her case, specifically, she tends to just throw one line there, 513 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,200 you know, it's just one liners and then okay. 514 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: But I guess my hackles are up whenever some young 515 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:45,000 female star is suddenly getting slammed for having, you know, 516 00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:48,319 saying something or saying the wrong thing or doing the 517 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:51,119 wrong thing. I just have a tendency that like, all right, 518 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,640 let's take a step back here. I don't think she's 519 00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:56,480 anybody should be looking at her for their politics. Not really. 520 00:26:56,519 --> 00:26:58,359 I don't think you should be looking to celebrities for 521 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,680 that sort of thing. But I do think they have 522 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:03,200 the right to talk about the world as they see it. 523 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,200 They are artists. That is their job. 524 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 2: I agree with all that, but you can't, Okay, I'm 525 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,079 gonna be brutal here. You can't phrase something like you 526 00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:11,039 cannot love animals. 527 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:15,079 Speaker 1: I agree. That to me is she shoots her mouth up. 528 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,960 That's stupid. It is stupid. 529 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 2: I see your point. I love animals, I don't eat meat. 530 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:23,319 I know where you're coming from, but that's not well. 531 00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: It's sort of like the Ireland statement. I know exactly 532 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,720 where she was coming from. It was a stupid thing 533 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,759 for her to say on stage. But we talked about 534 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,440 this the last time. When we were in Dublin. I 535 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,400 turned to Lorenzo and said, I feel like I'm at 536 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,720 a family reunion. We're walking down the street and literally 537 00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:40,680 everybody looks like me. But I'm not a publisher. She 538 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,759 didn't say that on stage. I didn't say it on stage, okay, 539 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,680 and I agree that's the difference. I know where she 540 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,079 was coming from that, but it was not smarter her 541 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:50,480 to say. 542 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 2: I just want to add one more thing. There's another 543 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,880 video of her talking about how much she she took 544 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,680 pr lessons or whatever, Yeah, and how much she hated 545 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:58,920 it and she stopped taking them. 546 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: Well, there you go, there you go, all right? Have 547 00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:05,119 we yes? Yes, we're beat her up. 548 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:05,279 Speaker 2: Now. 549 00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad that we took opposing sides on this, because yeah, 550 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,240 I didn't want us to do a hole this, this 551 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,640 young girly is wrong. Now I'm actually going to defender 552 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:17,519 she should say these things, and people need to back off. 553 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,880 Just be whatever. Who cares if she's a millionaire, she's 554 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,240 led to speak. Anyway, Why don't we take a break 555 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,039 and come back, and we have a few things to 556 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:28,359 say about the Camp Film Festival. We'll be right back. 557 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,640 We're back, and we might be ending this very quickly 558 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,079 because the freaking workmen next door have started banging. 559 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,799 Speaker 2: Nightmare. Oh my god, I hate them so much, and 560 00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:42,759 I'm sure some of you have experienced something similar, but 561 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:44,079 my god, I hate. 562 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: It's this massive building project that has been going on 563 00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:50,039 for a year and a half. They are way behind 564 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,160 schedule and I don't even think they're not. I mean 565 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,960 it'll be another nine months probably. I hate them. 566 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: I'm so annoying anyway. 567 00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:04,759 Speaker 1: Can't film this. The cam Film Festival is underway. And 568 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:07,680 when you know, in our line of work, there is 569 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,240 a calendar that you look at in terms of when 570 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:12,599 when the red carpet's going to be heavy and when 571 00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:14,480 it's going to be light, and you you know, we 572 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:19,319 have these discussions every single month, and every April we 573 00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:21,920 always say the same thing. We've got the met Pala 574 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,519 in the beginning of the month, and then we'll have 575 00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:25,799 the cam Film Festival. The CAM Film Festival used to 576 00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:30,759 be later than May. But you go into these things 577 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,039 knowing when the major events are, when the vent Is 578 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:35,799 Film Festival is, when Toronto is, when all the awards 579 00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:38,880 ceremonies are, when the big blockbusters are coming out. 580 00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:41,599 Speaker 2: And because of what we do, we get excited about 581 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:44,200 these things because we're going to have more more red card. 582 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,079 Speaker 1: This means money, money, money for your uncles. And it 583 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,440 came out this this month that and there was an 584 00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:56,720 article in The Hollywood Reporter this week that most of 585 00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,799 the American studios are not coming to camp and there 586 00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:04,799 will not be any major American releases that Can, which 587 00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:07,759 means there won't be a lot of major American movie 588 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:12,279 stars at CAN and that frick I. 589 00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 2: Don't understand that. What is the what is there the 590 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:15,720 reason behind it? 591 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: From what I read was that, well, first off, they 592 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,759 didn't like they talked about that last Indiana Jones movie, 593 00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:24,799 which apparently got a lot of booze at CAN, and 594 00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:28,160 I mean they boo movies all the time, and then 595 00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:31,640 it did poorly. There were a couple other like big Blockbuster. 596 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,640 I think was it Mission Impossible or maybe it was 597 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:41,640 Top Gune one of those. Anyway, that these big amusement 598 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,480 park movies that American American studios do now are not 599 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,839 getting the kind of reception American studio executives would like 600 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,240 to get at the Can Film Festival, and so they 601 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,079 they think that, you know, well we should just skip it, 602 00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:00,079 and you know whatever. It's not for me to say 603 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:02,720 whether that's the correct way. I mean, I'm not a 604 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:03,960 studio executive. I don't know. 605 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 2: I don't care about real movies anymore. I a real 606 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,160 discussion about movies. 607 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: I did think I don't know if this is related 608 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,039 or not, but I remember when the devilwaar Is productwo 609 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:18,200 thing was fully underway, and I said to you again, 610 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:20,240 because you always think of these things, I was like, Oh, 611 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,200 they'll be going to Paris next. I'm sure we'll be 612 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,480 covering them. And they didn't go to Paris. No, they 613 00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:26,880 didn't go anywhere. Yeah, And they did a London one 614 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,960 and that was it. And they did Tokyo and Seoul 615 00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:35,799 and Mexico City, and I think they did Berlin, but 616 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,920 most of those were just photocols. I was actually really surprised, 617 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,559 but about Paris, I was like, it's a fashion movie. 618 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,279 How are you not opening in Paris? But I am 619 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,680 starting to get the impression that a lot of these 620 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:53,160 international premieres and stuff are just not looking lucrative enough 621 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:56,319 or worth the I will say these massive ones, like 622 00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:58,960 when they do the big London premieres, premieres in the 623 00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:02,680 UK or massive, I'm always like, how much did that 624 00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:03,720 cost to pull on? 625 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: What I have noticed lately, because I look for pictures 626 00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:09,240 every day, is that they're doing more fan events. 627 00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: Because that's easier. 628 00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:12,519 Speaker 2: Because it's easier, it's smaller. You know, everybody's gonna love 629 00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:16,960 the movie there because they're fans and no celebrities. 630 00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: No one's going to start yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah, 631 00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:23,440 you only need like two or three cast members to 632 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,920 show up to a fan event. 633 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 2: Or even sometimes they don't have anybody. 634 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's just interesting. And then the other thing 635 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,680 I just wanted to tie it to, uh, Colbert is 636 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:40,640 ending next week and the whole late night talk show 637 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:43,480 thing is up in the air as to how long 638 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:45,759 it's going to continue. I don't think they're all going 639 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:49,599 to get canceled anytime soon, but they are embattled. And again, 640 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,720 it's one of those things where that leaves a hole. 641 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,240 Colbert not existing actually leaves a hole in our coverage 642 00:32:57,319 --> 00:32:59,920 because we probably cover at these three or four appearing 643 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,599 is a week on his show. It's not going to 644 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,240 be some sort of massive financial hit for us, but 645 00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:10,480 it's just one of the many ways in which you know, 646 00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:13,359 we kind of constantly have to shift our expectations or 647 00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,400 what we're One of the major things that are being 648 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,799 talked about right now with celebrity promotion is the fact 649 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,119 that so many of them are going onto podcasts now, 650 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,359 but they're not going on to talk shows. And part 651 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,480 of the reason they're going onto podcasts is because they 652 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:28,160 don't well. Part of the reason these podcasts are becoming 653 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,000 so popular is because you don't need unions to pull 654 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,720 them off, so you don't like you would with a 655 00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:36,839 television show. So now you can go out and promote 656 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,519 your work and you don't have to pay a union, 657 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:40,640 and you don't have to get dressed up, because who 658 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,680 gets dressed up for a podcast. That's the kind of 659 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,359 stuff that sucks for us because if you start removing 660 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,680 fashion or pulling away from it, I don't know how 661 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,000 much of that stuff we could possibly. 662 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,759 Speaker 2: I don't think that's sustainable because I don't think it 663 00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:58,880 is easy. I don't think so. Because the only reason 664 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,960 why we pay attention to things is when we see them, 665 00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:04,599 actually visually see them in front of us. Right, you 666 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,880 have to see the actor all the time so that 667 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,119 you go like, oh, maybe I should see this movie. Yeah, 668 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:10,599 you know, that's what happens. 669 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: It has been the way Hollywood and even the theater 670 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,039 world and the music world has promoted itself for one 671 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:22,239 hundred and fifty years is that you get performers in 672 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:28,119 outfits in front of crowds to drum up excitement so 673 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,920 I don't have anything to say about this except it's 674 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,440 one of the many, many ships that we're constantly dealing 675 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,000 with in our line of work. And it's because the 676 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:40,559 industry itself, the fashion industry and the entertainment industry are 677 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,719 in so much flux at the moment that nobody understands 678 00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:48,480 or knows what works and what doesn't. I think all 679 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,280 of the studios skipping Can is a huge mistake for 680 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,880 the studios. But what do I know? 681 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: I mean, why would you eliminate one of the places 682 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,639 where you're going to promote yourself. 683 00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: I mean I don't understand why. I know it's already opened, 684 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,159 but why wouldn't you want the Double Wears product to 685 00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:09,119 a big splashing moment? I can with that cast, I 686 00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:12,679 still get it. I don't get it. Whatever, do you 687 00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:14,039 have anything else you want to add to that? 688 00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:16,599 Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. It's just and again it's it's 689 00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:18,800 I see that with the fashion industry and the movie 690 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,039 and lazy it's just like, oh, let's go with this 691 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:24,480 and it doesn't work, and then to go back to 692 00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:27,920 the old fashion, you know, the old ways, and it's 693 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,119 just yeah, it's people, it's people with money making this 694 00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:32,880 stupid decision. 695 00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:35,599 Speaker 1: It's people with money getting lazier and lazier, like we 696 00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:37,599 shouldn't have to do this, we shouldn't have to put 697 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:41,079 the effort in, and you know, they take control whatever 698 00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:42,639 is the cheapest, easiest route. 699 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like leadership, you know, one oh one. That's 700 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:48,719 the basics. I'm in charge. Now, let's change everything. 701 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,079 Speaker 1: And this is a good segue into our next topic, 702 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,519 which also is related to CAN, which suddenly everyone that 703 00:35:55,599 --> 00:36:01,239 CAN is talking about AI and apparently embracing it. To 704 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,079 me more. During the press conference for the jewelry came 705 00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:09,079 out with these very pro AI kind of I mean 706 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,079 it set people off because again it's the way people 707 00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:16,320 talk about AI that that because she talked about this 708 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,760 battle that we're not going to win and we have 709 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,840 to just succumb to it and everything. And that's the 710 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,639 kind of thing that makes people panic because you're not 711 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,960 talking about this this you know, this technology in a 712 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,079 way that's like this is how it's going to improve 713 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,159 your life, this is what it can do for you. No, 714 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,639 it's you have to succumb to this because it's coming 715 00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:37,679 whether you want. And I have never heard a technology 716 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,119 spoken about in that way not the Internet, not social media, 717 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,199 not computers on art phones. 718 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,519 Speaker 2: I was listening to someone talk about AI this morning 719 00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:49,679 on NPR and I and he was right when he said, 720 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,039 we don't really understand the whole thing yet. 721 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:53,199 Speaker 1: That's what's scary about it. 722 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 2: That's what's scary about it. We're embracing it. We're investing 723 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,280 all this money on something that we're not know. 724 00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,519 Speaker 1: It's everywhere. It's it's in your emails, it's in your 725 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,400 Google it's a listen. 726 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 2: I'm I'm on social media at the time, TikTok, Instagram, 727 00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:10,000 and I have the hardest time trying to figure out, Okay, 728 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:13,599 is this real or fake? It's like a constant battle 729 00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:15,639 now that you're like, all right, is this real that 730 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,719 you know? Is this a real picture? 731 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: And the only thing I want to say about this 732 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,360 is when then Peter Jackson came out yes, and he 733 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,400 was he made some very I've read his comments like 734 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,960 five times now and I'm like, Okay, this is a 735 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,920 very confusing point. And that's the thing. It's like, whenever 736 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,679 someone tries, especially in the creative community, tries to make 737 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,559 a pitch as to why we should accept AI, their 738 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,440 reasoning is always kind of muddled, and he made some 739 00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:44,079 bullshit point about Andy serkis never getting an oscar for 740 00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:46,119 playing Gollum, and I'm like, what does that have to 741 00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:50,239 do with AI? That wasn't AI anyway. He made similar 742 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,880 comments about embracing AI, and he said something that is 743 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,639 very very illuminating to me, at least where he said it. 744 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,679 To me. It's just it's another special effect, that's all 745 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,079 it is. And if you look at it from that perspective, like, oh, 746 00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:06,960 this is just another way to jazz up filmmaking, to 747 00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:11,239 make things. Sure, that's but the problem that so many 748 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:18,840 people have with AI, especially when it's injected into creative endeavors, 749 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,119 is that it's putting people out of work, right, Like, Okay, yes, 750 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:25,360 it's a special effect that is putting your special effects 751 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,719 department out of work. And I know that's alarmist because 752 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,280 what's going to happen is a lot of special effects 753 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,880 artists are going to become AI special effects artists. 754 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 2: That's the same reason why we scan our items, we 755 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,280 beg our items when we go to every store because 756 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,239 they don't want to pay people, not because it makes 757 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,360 it more practical or easier for us. No, they're just eliminating. 758 00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 1: They're eliminating jobs and pushing it onto right in the 759 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,920 case of creative use of AI, they're eliminating jobs. And 760 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,280 what they're putting out so far from what I have 761 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,239 seen about like AI videos and stuff like that. They're 762 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,800 putting out stuff that looks subpar to me. It does 763 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,480 not look as good as the best digital special effects 764 00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,159 I have ever seen on film. It never does. The 765 00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:12,599 people never look fully believable, the backgrounds don't work, the 766 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,000 voices sound weird so. 767 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 2: As of now. 768 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: But my point is, you're so pushing this thing on us, 769 00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,840 and none of us can say why. The idol's and 770 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,400 the only reason the people with the power are pushing 771 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,400 this on us is because it's going to eliminate jobs, 772 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,239 because it's going to make things cheaper. 773 00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:33,519 Speaker 2: And they're going to make more money. 774 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 1: And people like to mean more. You see actors embracing 775 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,760 it now, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon Reese, Witherspoon to 776 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,760 me more all coming out and making these you know 777 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,519 why money because they're investing. 778 00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 2: Because the all the names you mentioned are producers and 779 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,400 they create shoes and they have their own companies. 780 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: So they're cutting jobs. They're cutting jobs and making subpar products. 781 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,480 But I also want to say, the reason you're seeing 782 00:39:56,519 --> 00:40:00,920 so many people I think in Hollywood make these comments 783 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,639 more and more is because they're scared and they know 784 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,719 that they can't I mean, they have to embrace that 785 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,320 otherwise you know the future's coming. And I think this 786 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,039 is what to me, Moore was trying to say. The 787 00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:15,079 future is coming whether you want it or not. So 788 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,199 people need to figure out how to get on board 789 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:18,920 with something. 790 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,639 Speaker 2: It's not going to go away. It's not going to 791 00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:26,199 go maybe you will get reshaped or something, but but 792 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,400 it's not gonna go away. It's it's part of the future. Now. 793 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I agree, and saying this is just acknowledging reality. 794 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,880 It's not. I am not advocating that we should embrace AI. 795 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,280 I don't use it in my search results, I don't 796 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,639 use it in my emails and my pledge to you 797 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,599 never never will we use it on the site. Nothing 798 00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:48,199 on the site has ever been written by AI or 799 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:54,840 anything like that. But it is an inevitability. And I 800 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,760 do think sometimes when people I think the backlash against 801 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,800 it is sometimes as poorly informed as the people who 802 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,119 were advocating for it. And that's really all I wanted 803 00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:09,480 to say is that it's coming for Hollywood. Hollywood is 804 00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:12,599 going to embrace it, and honestly, it'll be up to 805 00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:14,920 us as the consumers too. You know, if you see 806 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,880 some shitty Lord of the Rings movie that was done 807 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,639 with AI, don't buy a ticket, don't support this stuff. 808 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,239 That's the only way it's going to It's never going 809 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,280 to go away, but we can force it as consumers 810 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,599 to be used in a way that we want it 811 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:32,480 to be used, and not to have it forced on 812 00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:35,760 us with shitty special effects and stuff like that. That's 813 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,679 the end of my rant. I'm sorry, No. 814 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 2: I totally agree with you. Yeah, I think you can 815 00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:43,760 use all this stuff to help humans to do a 816 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,079 better job. But when you take the work of. 817 00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:49,760 Speaker 1: The human using it as a shortcut for human labor, 818 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,119 I mean, all technology provided shortcuts to human labor, but 819 00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,920 the product has to be as good. It's sort of 820 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,119 a lot of people aren't going to like this, but 821 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,199 it's sort of like cake mixes. Cake mixes made it 822 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,920 so that everybody could bake a cake, but no cake 823 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,000 mix is as good as a cake from a bakery, 824 00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:13,880 and you sort of have to make that, you know. 825 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,800 I'm not arguing against cake mixes, but I just want 826 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,519 to make sure that we still have access to really 827 00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:20,559 good baked goods. I guess that's what I'm trying to say. 828 00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 2: The same thing the typewriter. We don't have typewriters anymore. 829 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,000 We have you know, keyboards, but but you're. 830 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,559 Speaker 1: It's still the writing long hand anymore. 831 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 2: But it's still your brain writing this stuff. 832 00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: It's just what's scary about it is that the people 833 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,199 who are most invested in this literally in every sense 834 00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:38,880 of the word, are the ones that are pushing it 835 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,239 the most, and they don't seem to care about the 836 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,440 effects that we'll have on the people who aren't going 837 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,320 to make money off of this. 838 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,039 Speaker 2: It's always people trying to make more money. They don't care. 839 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,320 It's the same thing, I mean, the people will benefiting 840 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,280 from destroying the environment and all those things. You know, 841 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,639 they just want to make more money. 842 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,039 Speaker 1: All right. I think we have ranted and they're grinding 843 00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:01,800 or something's going on next door, and I apologize for 844 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,960 the noise, but we're going to end it here. We 845 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,719 will be back on Friday with the Bitterkin Movie Club. 846 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,039 We are doing. My name is Dolomite, Dolomite is my name. 847 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,039 I always get that wrong. Dolomite is my name. We're 848 00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:14,880 doing that on Friday, and then we'll be back next 849 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,239 week with whatever crosses rise, it crosses our does. Until then, 850 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,000 take care of yourselves, love you mean it. 851 00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 2: Bye bye bye