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Speaker 2: I'm now listening to soft Core History. Hello, and welcome

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in to soft Core History. I'm your host for the week, Damagester,

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joined as always by Rob Fox.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me back. Thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 2: It's your show.

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Speaker 1: Been a while. Yeah, it's nice that you've slid in

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and decided to, you know, take up hosting duties.

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Speaker 2: I'm more like a behind the scenes kind of guy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, literally you are the behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: I do all of it. Yeah yeah, yeah, So me

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actually talking on the podcast, it's additional.

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Speaker 1: It's a bonus. Yeah, and I'm proud of you.

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Speaker 2: I wrote an episode, but you're more than capable to

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handle it your s Yeah, I got it.

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Speaker 1: Let's get it going.

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Speaker 2: We have no guests this week.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, no one to introduce you to to man show.

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Just boys, boys date boys night.

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Speaker 2: I missed you.

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Speaker 1: It's fine. No, I'm in a couple of days. Yeah,

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this is gonna be a big week for me. Like

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the kids and wife are going out of town. I'm

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just gonna fucking do nothing. It's gonna be bachelor Rob

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Glorious Michael get drunk at the Mexican restaurant across the

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highway from my house. Like that, it's a real shithole.

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Speaker 2: Get smoked on the way back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would rather risk a UI than getting hit

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by an eighteen wheeler.

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Speaker 2: Like just trying to run across like six lanes.

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Speaker 1: Fuck that, it's it's yeah, it's like five lanes and

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it's it's there's no way in the middle of the night,

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No fucking way.

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Speaker 2: He died doing what he loved, playing Frogger drunk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't love doing that at all. I actually

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have a friend, I have an attorney brother who was

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literally hit by an eighteen wheeler.

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Speaker 2: He survived. He did.

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Speaker 1: He was walking on the side of the highway trying

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to get to White Oh.

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Speaker 2: So he got clipped. He like mirror, No it he

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got hit.

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Speaker 1: It's apparent according to the police, it threw him like

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hundred feet. Did he stick the landing apparently because it

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had been raining that night and the grass was wet

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that softened the blow.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, where he got hit didn't make

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any sense because it was like, no one in their

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right mind at MISSOO would be walking there except for

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one reason. And it was really weird. I was like,

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how drunk were you? And He's like, I don't remember anything,

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like from like eight pm on and I was like

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we and this is like three in the morning. He

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was like yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was like, were you this is how people fall

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into the river and were.

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Speaker 1: You walking to white Castle? Because white Castle is like

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in the fucking hood in Columbia and he was like

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a dig.

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Speaker 2: So sometimes it just calls he on the side of

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the highway. You see that bright in the online, Yeah,

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like I need to go to white Castle. This entire

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movie franchise based off it.

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Speaker 1: But I mean he was straight up. He wasn't full

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on like obviously run over, but it hit him like

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part of the actual front.

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Speaker 2: Truck hent it in h hit him and threw imprint

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of Yeah him, my my.

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Speaker 1: Is another one of our buddies. Every year of the

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anniversary of that, he just takes a picture of him

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and post it to Instagram and it's like truck free

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since twenty eleven.

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Speaker 2: Love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he got hit by a fucking truck.

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Speaker 2: It's a relatively interesting story.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know how many friends have been hit by an

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eighteen wheeler.

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Speaker 2: Not that I'm aware of. They haven't at least told me.

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They's like low key, they're like, oh yeah, dude, it

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this happened to me twice. I just never really found

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the proper space to tell the story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they Oh you didn't that never cared that. You

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never thought that should come up, that a truck hit you,

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an actual truck, a big rig. I don't know. I'm

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not a show off. I don't like to make things

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Speaker 2: Which is a weird day, man.

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Speaker 1: I got like got the first text was too Nick

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got hit by an eighteen wheeler and I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, is Nick dead? Like they didn't tell me?

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Speaker 1: I was They're like, no, he's in the hospital, in

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the ICU. And I was like, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Oh fuck. Sounds like an interesting fellow.

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Speaker 1: He is.

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna use that as a transition and raise

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you another way more interesting guy.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, I don't know if he didn't get hit

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by any trucks.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're right, he'd never got hit by a truck.

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Speaker 1: Well, then we're off to a bad.

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Speaker 2: Start because for a majority of his life, trucks didn't exist. Okay,

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but he did have a chance, there was a chance.

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Didn't happen, dam it. But today we're talking about Frederick

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Russell Burnham. Okay, familiar with this guy, not in the

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least who's born on a Dakota Sioux reservation in Minnesota

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on May eleventh, eighteen sixty one to a missionary family

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that lived in a nearby pioneer town.

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Speaker 1: Oh so was he born while they were out converting them?

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Speaker 2: His father was a preacher. Yeah, he was trying, trying,

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trying his hottest.

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Speaker 1: He was like, you need to stop worshiping the buffalo.

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Let me tell you about a man with got hit

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by a figurative truck for your sins.

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Speaker 2: In August of eighteen sixty two, when Freddy was only

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one chief little Crow and the Sioux attacked the town.

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His preacher father was at the store buy an AMMO

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at the time. That's very convenient for him. Yeah right, It's.

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Speaker 1: Almost like the aircraft carriers not being at Pearl Harbor,

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you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. Maybe they gave him a little tip off.

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His mother saw the warriors out far enough to hide

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him in a basket covered by husk in the cornfields

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and make her own escape on foot, because she was like,

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I just can't get away fast enough with the baby

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in my hand. Yeah, so leaves the baby in the cornfield,

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almost like a Moses origin story.

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Speaker 1: It's an actual miracle that that baby didn't make any noise,

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Like that's a miracle.

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Speaker 2: It's a chill ass baby, Like it.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't happen how much. How he was a year old.

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Speaker 2: He's about a a little over a year okay, so

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he can move two, he can crawl, and he just chilled.

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I guess he knew.

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Speaker 1: She put some whiskey on his gums. Perhaps that's that's

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what you have to do. Actually, it's like get the

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baby drunk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just here you go, little baby.

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Speaker 1: Just a little bit of bourbon on the on the law,

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on the colms.

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Speaker 2: Stay quiet, shoo shoo, shoo, shush baby. Once the assault

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was pushed back, she returned to find the house was

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burned down, but baby Freddie was safe asleep in his basket.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's she gave him something like alaudanum or something.

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Speaker 2: Some type of drug.

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Speaker 1: A one year old baby just doesn't fucking chill while.

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Speaker 2: The house is burning down, like fifty feet.

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Speaker 1: Away, their gunshots like all this shit.

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Speaker 2: Like no, yeah, she.

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Speaker 1: Gave him drugs or booze. Like there's just no question.

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Speaker 2: He didn't move, didn't move, so that's kind of where

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he started in Minnesota was on the border of Iowa,

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so yep, kind of went to school in Iowa here

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and there, But eventually his family moved to la when

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Fred was ten and his father was severely injured building

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the homestead and died from injury complications two years later,

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leaving the family destitute.

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Speaker 1: God, moving now.

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Speaker 2: Is a fuckings moving across the country and then having

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to build your house.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, the amount of convincing that would take me, Like, honey,

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we're gonna walk to California and then you are going

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to be chopping down up and upwards of forty trees,

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harvesting all of that lumber yourself, plenty of redwoods and

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yeah maybe just one tree, maybe just one redwood, and

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then building the home. I would be like, we are

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staying next to the Indians that want to murder us,

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Like I'm not. There's no fucking way go.

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Speaker 2: Across the country. You make it all the way and

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then you're like, all right, heart, part's.

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Speaker 1: Over, hard, part's just getting started.

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Speaker 2: Hurts himself building the house to the point that it's

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like serious enough that it causes his death to yours.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he just fell off a ladder.

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Speaker 2: That's how I play. That's probably how that or that's

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how that. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Some XMLB Pitture a couple months ago died that way.

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Octavio not Octavo Hotel. Uh fuck I forget his name,

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but he pitched for the Braves anyway. Yeah, he fell

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off a ladder at his house. He's like cleaning the gutters.

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Speaker 2: Just bam hit his head. I guess damn.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to put up Christmas lights anymore.

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Speaker 2: I understand why people have those projectors now. Yeah, they

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look like shit, but I get it. I get it.

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Speaker 1: You just walk out of the yard with an extend

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and gord fucking PLoP down a projector and you're like,

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merry Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Pieces.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't an asshole, but I get it. At least it's

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not inflatable.

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Speaker 2: So his father dies, His mother takes his three year

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old brother, Howard back to her parents in Iowa. Oh,

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they go back. He doesn't I.

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Speaker 1: Know what they do.

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Speaker 2: Freddy stays Jesus in La to pay off his family debts.

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Speaker 1: Someone's got to do it. He's is he wait, did

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Speaker 2: His younger brother.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's a man.

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Speaker 2: He's the man of the house. Yeah, so he has

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to take care of, you know, all the bills that

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they probably racked up moving there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well they don't rack up any debt moving back.

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Speaker 2: Moving back to her parents? Yeah? So you cast money

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to get there, Yeah, I know. He did so by

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working as a mounted messenger for the Western Union Telegraph

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Company for California and Arizona. Despite getting his horse stolen

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by a notorious bandit Toberco Vasquez, Freddie was able to

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turn his experience into a scouting Indian tracking gig for

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the US Army at just the age of fourteen.

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Speaker 1: So this is eighteen seventies.

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Speaker 2: Now, who was he hunting for the US Army as

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a Indian scouting tracker? Geronimo one, Geronimo Yeah, in the

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Apache Wars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what is this the eighteen seventies.

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Speaker 2: Now, he's born in sixty one, he's about fourteen years old, So.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the seventies, okay, eighteen seventy five.

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Speaker 2: By twenty he got caught up in a family feud

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in Arizona. Between the Grams and Talksberry's Jake did an

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episode on this like a while back at our old

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studio It was called the Pleasant Valley War or Tonto

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Basin Feud, which was just a bunch of like cattle

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and sheep ranchers having beef with one another.

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Speaker 1: They were mad at the sheep people because the sheep

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were fucking up their land.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yea, yeah, yeah, But it wasn't just those families.

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like all the cowboys in the area and families and

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friends of families and friends of friends.

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Speaker 1: You know what. They should have called it the Red

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Meat Wars.

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Speaker 2: Honestly that people remember that. Freddie got involved through his

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pal Tommy Gordon. Of course, Tommy's always been trouble and

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his family in Globe, Arizona. Between raids, Freddie would incessantly

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practice his pistol, becoming a dead eye shot with both

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hands and from the back of a galloping horse. His

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faction ultimately lost the conflict, but Freddy was able to

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escape the ordeal, broke his hell and still with plenty

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of enemies on the other side. Yeah, but he leveled up,

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he got xp he got out. Yeah, but yeah, he

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leveled up his skill set. An easy opportunity to make

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some cash came stealing cattle for outlaw Curly Bill, but

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Freddie ultimately rejected it as he didn't see himself as

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a criminal or a thief, okay, kind of a decent guy.

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Speaker 1: He thought that was a proper war right, like.

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Speaker 2: He was just riding for his boys, his friends. And

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then towards the end too, he was like, uh, maybe

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I'm on the wrong side of this, not just because

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we're losing, but because like there's no there's no honor

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in this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Then Curly Bill comes calling, Hey, steal this cattle for me,

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and he's just like, ah, give it to your next guy.

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man that did take the job gets killed stealing the livestock. Yeah,

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so he avoids that. Now does he get.

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Speaker 1: Killed in the act or caught and immediately hung for stealing?

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Speaker 2: Like four thousand he gets shot while trying to steal?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Because it is still funny to me that we

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used to give people the death penalty for like stealing

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a horse, yeah, or a cow or whatever.

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Speaker 2: If we did that the car thieves, now.

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Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, horse thievery was still pretty rampant,

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so I don't think it was a good deterrent.

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Speaker 2: But again, it was the wild West. You just move

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a town over. Yeah, that was my horse. You become

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the sheriff, You become the law. Freddy wanted out of

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the Tonto base in bad Blood all together, and his

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buddy was able to help him escape to Tombstone.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, I feel like I see where this is going.

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Speaker 2: This was a couple of months after the Okay Corral.

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Speaker 1: Oh all right, well, I don't see where this is

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going at all.

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Speaker 2: Though. Now he was able to lay low working for

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gunfighter and smuggler Neil mccloyd Okay. Once the heat was

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off him, he briefly worked as a deputy sheriff for

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Pinal County, Arizona, did some prospecting in the silver mines.

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An occasional scout chop would come his way and he

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make a little extra coin. He would go back to

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Iowa in late eighteen eighty three to visit family and

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reconnect with his childhood sweetie Blanche. Oh love those names

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back then. Blanch.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine just like going bananas on a Blanche, Just.

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Speaker 2: Like that Blanche? Yeah, yeah, Rode that dig Blanche doesn't work,

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doesn't work like that? Blanch?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, this is my girlfriend, Blanche. She's just like,

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the only way that you can pull that off is

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if you are just unfathomably attractive.

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Speaker 2: She wasn't, but you know maybe she was.

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Speaker 1: Anyone could pull that off. That that's like back then

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Blanches like Kristen, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's They married soon after on February sixth, eighteen eighty four,

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when he was just twenty three. The two Old Man, though,

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set off to Pasadena, California to start in Orange Grove,

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but Freddy still did some prospecting in scouting as it

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came to him. I guess during this time he gets

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involved with the Freemasons and rises to the level of

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thirty second degree Mason of the Scottish Right, they kind

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of breeze through this and all his biographies, and you know,

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men haves to have hobbies.

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Speaker 1: I boy, I just don't know where this episode is going.

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I thought it was going to take an okay, coral turn,

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and it didn't. Now I've already now, like within the

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last ten minutes, I've been like, oh, so he was

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at the Oka Oh nope, okay, Oh so it's like

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a Freemason thing. Oh okay, I guess not either he's

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just huge is in it's just in it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just kind of a YadA YadA YadA.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's just an adult fraternity, you know what

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I mean. It's just like a men's club for people

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to do something.

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Speaker 2: Especially the Scottish rites is on like sect of it. Yeah,

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is that like for the poors. No, this episode, you're

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really not gonna have any idea where it's going. I don't,

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I've I'm this man lived an eventful life.

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Speaker 1: It's it seems like he is Forrest gumping to an extent.

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Speaker 2: Kind of. Yeah. He's also a short king, standing at

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five foot four, but muscular and cut.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: He had a square jaw and a boyish face that

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he often took advantage of when he was scouting or

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laying low from any adversaries he picked up along the way.

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Speaker 1: So like someone would be like, right, well you're doing

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on my learning.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh gee whizz mister. Yeah, he'd be like, I'm

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just twelve. I'm just a boy, just a wee pump.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean nothing, but it it's like I saw

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you kill three Indians riding at full gallop. No, just

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a boy, Oh, get on.

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Speaker 2: It's believable.

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Speaker 1: I'll get on.

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Speaker 2: You see his face, You see he's a tiny man.

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Five to four for the time is small.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I won't give my normal argument. Five to four

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is short in any time post industrial revolutions.

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Speaker 2: Certainly, honestly great though, if you're in a gunfight, small target,

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and especially if you're I feel like people typically shoot high. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If you're on a horse in a gunfight too, that

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hor you're cut going at some one the horse, you know,

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it's easier to get down. The horses can take all

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your bullets.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't much of a drinker and he did not smoke,

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fearing it would kill his sense of smell. That was

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vitally important for him tracking. So when he first got

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into Indian track, in one of the key ways to

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help find Geronimo and the Apache was they would burn

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mescal for cooking. Okay, So he started to get like

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an acute sense of like the smell of mescal burning

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in the air. That's how he's able to track stuff.

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So he like started to pick up these little cues

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and he used a sense of smell. He was like

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a fucking dog damn with his smell.

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Speaker 1: Interesting that somehow the ever present cloud of secondhand smoke

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didn't still kill his sense of smell, like any I

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guess he wasn't a big drinker. But if he's like

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ever hanging out in a saloon or whatever, like it's

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just gotta be nothing but cigar smoke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess second hand smoke is bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Roight, Yeah, I think it is, like we kind of

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learned something today.

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Speaker 2: He trained himself to run his body on several power

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naps throughout the day rather than one prolonged sleep at night. Okay,

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so he would just kind of like snooze for about

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fifteen to twenty minutes and then be back at it.

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Oh my god. He was described as modest, but not shy,

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never wont to brag, but certainly not one to back

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down either. In eighteen ninety, the US Census Bureau closed

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the American Frontier system that allowed land to be sold

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cheaply to pioneers. The Wild West legends were leaving and

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becoming entertainers and put on shows with natives like Sitting Bowl,

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Chief Joseph and Geronimo. The Old West was dying, and

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the appeal of a new frontier captivated Freddy.

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Speaker 1: It's really almost sad the way all those Old West people.

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It's like it's like watching like a fat Allen Iverson

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in the Big Three or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Just getting it's worse, but it is worse. This was

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the people's lives. Yeah, Like they were outlaws, they were chiefs,

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and they were like respected at one point in time

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and now they're just side shows.

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Speaker 1: The chiefs had it especially bad because the cowboys they

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were like, look at what this cowboy does. They got

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a rope caddle col wild Bill Rock chasing off to

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Buffalo and then they like bring in sitting bowl and

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they're like look at him.

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Speaker 2: Look at it. Yeah, you're a zoo animal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like he didn't do They was like, what are

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you gonna do? Like, what do you mean what he's

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gonna do? Look at this guy?

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Speaker 2: And honestly a pretty good deal for wild Bill instead

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of like being hung Yeah, oh no, just entertained the masses.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a superstar.

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Speaker 2: He heard of Cecil Roads and the work he was

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doing in Southern Africa building a railroad from Cape Town

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to Cairo. Burnham sold everything he owned and then eighteen

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ninety three picked up and set sail for Durban, South

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Africa with his wife and young son Roderick did about

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seven at the time.

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Speaker 1: Did not see Africa cut not.

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Speaker 2: Many doo, yeah, not many, just think let's go to Africa.

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Speaker 1: And now I don't know the history of this, but

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I feel like there's no fucking way that railroad was

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ever completed. And then look into it Cape to Cairo railway,

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unfinished project what it says.

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Speaker 2: By the time they got into town in eighteen ninety three,

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Cecil Roads and his British South Africa Company were fully

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ingrained in a war with the local tribe. Freddy joined

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the Calls immediately as a scout and was picked to

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be chief of Scouts by Major Allen Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Cecil Rhoads also, I thought this. I was pretty sure

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it was true, but I had to relook it up.

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Rhodes scholar. That makes sense, the Rhodes scholars.

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Speaker 2: It's through Cecil Roads.

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Speaker 1: Cecil Roads.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. During the Shanghai patrol in December of eighteen ninety three,

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Wilson and a dozen of his men, including Freddy, came

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across a bunch of tribe women and children who claimed

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to know whether king was hiding. Freddy sens the trap

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was in the works and warrned to Wilson, but Wilson

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decided to keep pursuing. The tribe's leader. Freddy was like,

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there's a trap. Look it's about Wilson sent a letter

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for reinforcements, but was only given twenty more men. The

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patrol came across the warriors camp on the other side

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of the Shangani River. Wilson was setting up a plan

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of attack and they were ambushed by the tribal warriors.

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Wilson ordered Freddy and two others to make a break

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for it and try to get more reinforcements in time.

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Once they got away, looked back at the party and

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saw hundreds of warriors surrounding Wilson and his men and

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the butcher that followed. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One thing that's always really interesting to me about I

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guess really like all of colonialism is like whether you're

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watching like late like African colonism stuff, like if you

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watch the movie Zulu or even like the Spanish and

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early English settlers, is like, there's there's like nine of you.

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Speaker 2: And you're conquering so much.

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Speaker 1: How did this succeed at all?

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Speaker 2: I mean, our very first episode is about a man

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who just became president of Nicaragua.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's never a lot of like it would

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be one thing, right if like a dude from Tennessee

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a legion of Spaniards land in Mexico, or like five

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divisions of British soldiers land, but it's like it's like, oh,

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right to conquer.

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Speaker 2: All of South Africa, we have forty dudes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, send a platoon and it's just like what how what?

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Speaker 2: Okay, the platoon do it?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it will. And then like five months

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later they're like, you're roll, I did it. Yeah, that's weird.

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Speaker 2: It's up for debate now whether or not Freddy and

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those two men were given orders to leave the battle

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to help or simply just deserted to save their own lives.

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Speaker 1: Hard to hard to say, one of my favorite things ever.

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I don't think we'll ever do an episode on it.

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But in the movie Zulu, which with this would be

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related to Zulu, the Zulu battle Rourks Drift and is

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Luwando which proceeded happened a little couple probably twenty ars

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before this, but rock Strift was like this battle where

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the main British force had.

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Speaker 2: Been slaughtered by the Zulus, just.

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Speaker 1: Caught unaware and just fucking slaughtered and there was just

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like just this little outpost nearby called Rourks Drift and

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there was like one hundred dudes there and an army

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of like several thousand Zulus comes to wipe out this

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this outpost and like, against all odds, they hold out.

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It's an awesome movie. It's Michael Kaine's first screen credit.

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Actually really yeah, it's a really good movie. And anyway,

470
00:22:47,319 --> 00:22:49,359
I read this like a while back, it's still the

471
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,839
funniest thing ever. A bunch of people from Roorksdrift got

472
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,640
the Victorious Cross, which is the British Medal of Honor

473
00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,920
basically and apparently a bunch including the two commanders, one

474
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,519
of whom Michael Kine plays, and apparently like all of

475
00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:07,480
their superior officers, because the British Army was still kind

476
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,960
of like you buy your commission, like it's a gentleman's game, right.

477
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,079
All the officers, like all their superiors were like furious

478
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,519
because they were like they didn't they didn't do anything.

479
00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: They just they were trapped rats. They had to fight.

480
00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:25,000
Wasn't brave they had a choice? Should get a medal

481
00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:28,599
for that? Like they held off thousands and they were

482
00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:31,000
just like, well, they didn't have a choice in the matt.

483
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably wouldn't like Freddy. Then it's still just

484
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,119
the funniest fucking thing to be. It's like, I don't know, man,

485
00:23:37,279 --> 00:23:38,359
they did a pretty good job.

486
00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

487
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 2: In eighteen ninety five, Freddy oversaw and led an exploration

488
00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:46,480
to set up copper Minds in northern eastern Rhodesia for

489
00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:50,119
the British South Africa Company. For his efforts, he was

490
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:55,799
elected a Fellow for the Royal Geographical Society. Meanwhile, his

491
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,119
wife Blanche watched their newborn daughter and animals learning how

492
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,079
to shoot a rifle and.

493
00:24:01,799 --> 00:24:05,799
Speaker 1: Good lord, it's just a nightmare. Like there's certain parts

494
00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:09,039
of Africa where you live that where it's like just

495
00:24:09,079 --> 00:24:11,319
makes Florida look like you know what I mean. It's

496
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:13,920
like like I still there's parts of Florida. Like Jake

497
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,319
sent me a picture the other day of his backyard

498
00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:18,720
and there was like deer in it at a pond

499
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,400
and he said, or no, it was a video, And

500
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,759
I was like, I was expecting like a gator to

501
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:23,160
pop up.

502
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: I was expecting a getter to eat those deer.

503
00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's like a dude, it's a green pond.

504
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,960
You know what I mean, like a like a bright

505
00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:34,559
green pond looks like it's like to the point where

506
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:35,920
as soon as I saw it, I was like, I

507
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,039
will never be taking my children to Jake's house in Florida. Literally. Ever.

508
00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: Listen, they gotta learn life lessons.

509
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: That's Alligators aren't a life lesson you have to learn,

510
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,920
if you know, if you don't live in Florida, if

511
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,240
you're at all you need to do is just not

512
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:50,039
swim at the pond.

513
00:24:50,039 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: They're making a way to Texas. They're in Louisia there

514
00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:54,200
they are, No, they're in They're they're in Houston as well.

515
00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in eastern Texas.

516
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 2: But people don't know this. But in Lake Austin, a

517
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,680
couple gators there are. I did know that. Actual, there's

518
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,599
also a hippo. People say that a couple of years

519
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,839
ago when we were paddle boarding and we went to

520
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,680
like the center where everybody kind of like congregates and

521
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,680
there's a DJ in just the middle of the fucking lake.

522
00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:15,839
Speaker 1: Dude, someone should just we started.

523
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: A rumor that there was a hippo when we were

524
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,680
trying to see how long it would take before that

525
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,599
got back to us.

526
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,599
Speaker 1: That would be a funny prank to just release a

527
00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:23,400
bunch of hippos into Lake Austin one night.

528
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 2: That's a silly prank.

529
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a silly, funny prank.

530
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: How many people would have I mean, maybe that's what's happening.

531
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,160
There is no serial killer. The hippos are getting.

532
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:37,519
Speaker 1: Them hungry hungry hippos. But yeah, like Africa though, like

533
00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:39,839
I know, I've seen like videos and shit, it's it's

534
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,519
towns usually not cities, but like they'll have like hyenas

535
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:47,119
wandering through the streets at night. I was just like,

536
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,200
that's a fucking nightmare. And wild dogs too, like the

537
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,559
painted dogs that are like dickheads and basically act like

538
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,599
velocent raptors.

539
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: It's a nightmare.

540
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,599
Speaker 1: Their teamwork, yeah, dude, it's fucking I couldn't even imagine.

541
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: Their eldest Roderick, was sent to boarding school in France

542
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,720
and military school in England. He would go on to

543
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,160
be the starting running back in Frattborough at the University

544
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:09,720
of Arizona.

545
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:15,559
Speaker 1: Took an odd turn. Ye, I thought you're gonna say,

546
00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:18,319
like like Cornell or something.

547
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: Nah, University of Arizona started running back.

548
00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: What year is this? Was? He their first student.

549
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,039
Speaker 2: It's pretty early. What year was this? How old do

550
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:29,440
you think the University of Arizona is.

551
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:32,799
Speaker 1: It's gotta be younger than the state.

552
00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: It was founded. Let's look at it.

553
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:38,839
Speaker 1: It was Arizona became a state in nineteen twelve.

554
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the University of Arizona is older than the state.

555
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:42,559
Speaker 1: That's insane.

556
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 2: March twelfth, eighteen eighty five, those twenty years. Well, you

557
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,960
have to be a state to one would think start

558
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:52,519
a university.

559
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:55,039
Speaker 1: One would think to have to have a land grant

560
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,240
state university. One would think the state might need to exist.

561
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: When now you learned something I did not. School is

562
00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:01,720
older than the state.

563
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:06,319
Speaker 1: Arizona became a state the same year my grandfather was born.

564
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: It's pretty sweet.

565
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:10,279
Speaker 1: I have old I had old grandparents.

566
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: Their parents a pretty old right now they are.

567
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: My parents are both in their seventies. I like, I

568
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,640
think my grandparents had kids pretty late. My parents, great,

569
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,839
you're pretty old. And my hair is actually it doesn't

570
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,920
look it on camera, quite a bit more salt and

571
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,519
pepper than then it appears on camera.

572
00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:27,559
Speaker 2: You got the Frederick Burnham face.

573
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: That's right. I still to this day I'll be doing

574
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:33,200
something horrible and someone will be like.

575
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: Hey, what even know what? I'm like, Oh, I'm sorry, mister.

576
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,839
Oh just a kid got your hat backwards. Yeah, I

577
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,880
fall for it every time, Like who looked this child in.

578
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: Its fucking high school? Kid? Go ahead, I'll take it.

579
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: Roderick also would work in oil serve in World War

580
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,880
One and eventually start an airline in Guatemala with the

581
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,440
founder of Paramount Pictures. So kind of an interesting guy

582
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,279
in his own right. Yeah, their daughter not a rat

583
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:05,759
was in Deeke Okay, no any deeks George W.

584
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: Bush, Yeah, John Carrey, but like personally no, uh no,

585
00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:12,799
because we didn't have dec Their daughter, Nada, did not

586
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:14,079
have such a prosperous life.

587
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: In eighteen ninety six, the tribe attacked the colonists of

588
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:20,680
the British South African Company. Again, Nada died of a

589
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,319
fever and starvation. During a siege of the town Bummer,

590
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,519
the settlers had to hunker down, waiting months for troops

591
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:34,640
to be sent. Fred helped direct the townspeople fight off

592
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,480
the warriors with access to artillery and machine guns. Ooh

593
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:39,400
they had artillery.

594
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: It's are we talking like like our the episode would

595
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,240
do with my wife where like Salem had little cannons.

596
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:49,039
Speaker 2: I think they had some heavy duty shit.

597
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,119
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, some howitzers or whatever. I mean the fact

598
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,720
that they had machine guns, some maxims probably I imagine.

599
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: Mow down the tribe. Yeah, it's kind of like when

600
00:28:57,519 --> 00:28:59,279
I was telling you, hey, you go back to uh

601
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,960
the Alamo, and I give you modern weapons.

602
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,039
Speaker 1: Someone in the chat was like, you could do it.

603
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,759
Speaker 2: You can mow down they already know how to use

604
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:06,119
a gun.

605
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: Like, it's just a slight update. I will say too, there's.

606
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,359
Speaker 2: More Constantinople to defend the gates.

607
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: That's just too many people. There's a lot of Turks.

608
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,200
You need a lot of AMMO for that. But maybe

609
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,000
maybe the Turks did lose it Vienna and they outnumbered

610
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:25,920
those guys like fucking three to one. Yeah. There's a

611
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,680
total war game called Showgun Total War where it's like

612
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,000
it's essentially the last Samurai era, like Tom Cruise or whatever,

613
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,359
and you can be like, you know, the Europeans and

614
00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:39,640
fighting the Japanese and you get like early Spanish American

615
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,799
War era maximum machine guns and.

616
00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:44,119
Speaker 2: You get the mowdown dudes with Samurai swords.

617
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not very fair, but it is very funny.

618
00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:49,279
It is very funny.

619
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,359
Speaker 2: Because they were fucking thugs. They were mostly gangsters that

620
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,720
could just not answer to the wall at all. They

621
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,720
could cut you down if they were if you were

622
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,079
below them, they could cut you down without any consequence.

623
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh man, I've seen a new a new thing

624
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:05,000
going around on Twitter recently. I actually think one of

625
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,880
our bosses talked about it. There's this stupid like then

626
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,400
this is stupid kind of. I mean, it's fine in

627
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,480
terms of like you want to make it, make it whatever,

628
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:18,799
but the framing is dumb of as tech batman. Have

629
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,839
you seen that? No, Yeah, there's like an Aztec batman

630
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:27,319
and he's like, I guess, helping fight off the Spanish.

631
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: It's interesting because you know, most of the traps in

632
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,079
the area took down the astechs.

633
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,559
Speaker 1: Right, So this is dumb on So that's dumb because

634
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:40,079
the Aztecs were dicks and tech Tonctica Clan or however

635
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,960
you say. It was certainly very much like you know,

636
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:47,240
got theam City in that it deserved to die but wanted.

637
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,039
Speaker 2: They were rich enough they would have a Bruce Wayne. Oh.

638
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:54,119
Speaker 1: Certainly, although it was probably just Monazuma was Monazuma batman.

639
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,359
I don't know. I haven't seen it.

640
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: He could be yeah, we don't know.

641
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:05,319
Speaker 1: But now I'm seeing people say obviously, there's always an overcorrection,

642
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,640
the same way it's like at Churchill was the bad

643
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,720
guy actually over correction where they're like, this is bullshit.

644
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:14,279
The Spanish were the good guys. I've seen that said where,

645
00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:17,160
and I'm just like, hey, check it out. What if,

646
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,079
like most of history, there weren't any good guys.

647
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:22,079
Speaker 2: What if it was all self interest?

648
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? What if it was just two dickhead groups meeting

649
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,759
and fighting one of them won. Yeah, there doesn't need

650
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:31,920
to be a good guy at all.

651
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,599
Speaker 2: Well, they're spreading Christianity to South America, rob.

652
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:42,039
Speaker 1: I mean true Catholicism specifically, because I actually I almost

653
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:44,880
wish the Natives would have won in North America against

654
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,480
the English because they were spreading bastardized Christianity.

655
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: But we'll get down with that.

656
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:55,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially Puritans. I mean the French should have. Really,

657
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,960
they had it right to the whole continent as far

658
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,400
as I'm concerned. But yeah, I saw that, I was like, oh, yeah,

659
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,880
that is dumb. The Aztecs are dicks. And then I

660
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,680
saw the reactions and I was like come on, man,

661
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,640
why are you overshooting the runway that hard? You could

662
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,119
just stop at the Aztecs were actually dicks.

663
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: Because nuance is not a thing. No, we must choose something.

664
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:22,920
Come on. So he helps the townspeople kind of like

665
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,519
barricade the town with barb wire. They got some things

666
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:31,359
that they could light to in case of worst case scenario,

667
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,599
you know, if things they breach, yeah, and get inside.

668
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:37,960
But yeah, they got a bunch of machine guns, they

669
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,160
got a bunch of fucking artillery. They're just kind of

670
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,880
like mowing down and holding their own.

671
00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: I assume though, that the tribes people do have some

672
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:48,079
rifles at this point here and there. Yeah, I don't

673
00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:49,960
know how good they are with them, but not great.

674
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,119
Yeah enough to keep you honest, you know what I mean?

675
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, fred Even started leading gorilla offensive campaigns against the tribe.

676
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:58,599
Speaker 1: Keep Mother toes.

677
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,799
Speaker 2: Frederick Even. He was able to track down the tribe's king, Milimo,

678
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,400
to a sacred cave in the Matapos Hills.

679
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: This just sounds racist.

680
00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: Freddie waited until Milimo started a dance of immunity.

681
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: Sounds super racist before.

682
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: He withdrew his pistol and shot the chief just below

683
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:19,079
the heart.

684
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:21,839
Speaker 1: I just like if you wrote that, like I just

685
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,960
check it out, Like if you're writing a movie and

686
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,079
you were like, yeah, this is how the white guy

687
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,640
kills the African chief because he finds out the African

688
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,920
cheese chief is doing an invincibility dance in a cave

689
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:36,480
and he walks in and shoots him with his Western

690
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:40,000
man weapon. You would never work again.

691
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:44,039
Speaker 2: Check it out. That's just fucking Indiana.

692
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:47,359
Speaker 1: Jones is other than India. The Indiana Jones scene was

693
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,160
not inspired by that. It was inspired by Harrison Ford

694
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,920
having the flu and he was like, I can't do

695
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,000
a full fight scene today. Why don't I just shoot him?

696
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:55,680
I have a gun.

697
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes way more sense.

698
00:33:57,319 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: And it was one of the best scenes in Spielberg's

699
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,200
entire filmography.

700
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: So he waited for Melma to start dancing shoot them

701
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,279
in the chest. Obviously, the chief dies. Freddy and his

702
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:08,760
companion were able to make an escape. As the warriors

703
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,440
went into a frenzy and search for who was responsible

704
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,559
for gunming down their leader.

705
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: What do you mean he was the guy in the

706
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,480
hot dog suit.

707
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:20,599
Speaker 2: We're all looking for the guy they did this?

708
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: Were they pointing at each other?

709
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,039
Speaker 2: I guess because nobody saw they heard him get shot

710
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:28,000
because he was doing I think he was in the

711
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:31,280
cave by himself. Okay, so they were waiting in the cave.

712
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:35,199
They ambushed him as soon as he starts dancing, shoot him,

713
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,239
make their way out, and I think everyone kind of

714
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,599
hears a gunshock go off and like try to goes in,

715
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,159
try to find them, but they can't. They're not in time.

716
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:46,639
They see their beloved leader bleeding out.

717
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: Before he could complete ability dance again. A real thing

718
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,719
that happened. And if you wrote that word for word,

719
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:02,280
portrayed it at all, you would be who's the clan guy,

720
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,199
the one that's always on the news, I don't know,

721
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,480
David Duke, You would essentially be the David Duke of screenwriters.

722
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,639
Speaker 2: Shortly after Cecil Rhodes made peace with the Mantibelli, ending

723
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:17,039
the Second Montabelli War, with the loss of his daughter

724
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:19,639
and a ton of his friends dying during the conflict,

725
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:25,199
Fred thought it was about time to get out of Africa. Yeah,

726
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,199
he heard of the Klondike gold rush in Alaska.

727
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: This man, it's like a white pick of fence is

728
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,800
his kryptonite.

729
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:38,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, just gotta leave my wife.

730
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: It's just He's just like, I don't know, like the way,

731
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,519
like I'll be like, you know the way like modern

732
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:46,559
men essentially have fomo, Like I really would to go

733
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:48,280
to the bors today. Like He's just like, God, I

734
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,800
just really want to be somewhere I could die.

735
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: I want to cheat death every single I want to

736
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,599
be somewhere that'll killby. So he goes to Alaska with

737
00:35:56,599 --> 00:36:00,880
his son Roderick, and they This is after they get

738
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,679
their wife and newborn son set up back in California.

739
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,719
So they replaced the dead daughter with a newborn son.

740
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,679
Good for that, Blanche and the new new kid or

741
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,039
just chilling in California. Okay, He and his oldest go

742
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:18,639
to Alaska in search of gold and good fortune.

743
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:20,079
Speaker 1: Dad, Hey didn't get drafted.

744
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,639
Speaker 2: This was right before the Spanish American War.

745
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: Oh I'm at football.

746
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: He's not old enough. He hasn't been to the University

747
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,199
of Arizona yet. Oh okay, okay, so Roderick, Yeah, yeah, sorry,

748
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,360
I'm kind of a time jump there a little bit,

749
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,519
but uh tell you what ends up happening with Roderick. Okay, Okay,

750
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,840
Roderick is like twelve at this time, all right, Yeah,

751
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,920
So he goes to La.

752
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: He's all grit by the time he gets on the

753
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,079
grid iron for Arizona. He's been. He's been. He lived in.

754
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: Fucking Africa fighting. He's Arizona scataboo. Yeah. Yeah. They prospected

755
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,559
until Frederick Roberts sent a telegram from Burnham asking if

756
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:06,440
he'd accept the position of chief of Scouts for his

757
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:12,239
men during the Second Boer War. Oh no, just when

758
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,840
he thought he was out Holy macoing. He also kind

759
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,119
of missed the Spanish American War by like three months.

760
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: Oh, if he'd gotten back early, he could have done some.

761
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: He went to Alaska and by the time they reached

762
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,199
that or he had heard or news got to him

763
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,159
that we were fighting the Spanish, by the time he

764
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:31,320
was about to come back, it was over.

765
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: It was not a long war.

766
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: It's like a three month war.

767
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: It was not a long war.

768
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 2: It was bad.

769
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,639
Speaker 1: People really don't really don't understand how like it was

770
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,400
the US that put Spain in its grave. Like any

771
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:49,199
there was still like a minor little chance they were

772
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,239
something of a player.

773
00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: But there's something to a self awareness with Spain knowing

774
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,000
that we should not drag this on. Let's just let's

775
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,880
call it yeah, let's tap out. Honestly, we were probably is.

776
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:01,519
I'd have to look this up.

777
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, but obviously the US is like massively

778
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,119
responsible for the French Revolution. M I wonder how responsible

779
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:13,280
we sort of are for the Spanish Civil War because

780
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,920
everything goes downhill after this.

781
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: It's just passing on the Cubans. Let's sing the Cubans. Yes,

782
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,719
they started it, they got us into it. They did.

783
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: It was like a weird like pet project Americans had

784
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:28,360
back then, where they're like, the Cubans deserve to be Cubans.

785
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: Dope, I get it. And honestly, U Jake just sent

786
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,760
me an entire kind of slide show on Fidel Castro.

787
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,000
The more I learn about this man, the more I

788
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,480
cannot hate him. He had riz like he was so

789
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:46,639
goddamn cool. Yeah, the CIA tried to assassinate Castro six

790
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:47,400
hundred times.

791
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: That's insane.

792
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:51,119
Speaker 2: Six hundred times.

793
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: That's not a great batting average.

794
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: We went zero for six hundred. Yeah.

795
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:58,039
Speaker 1: Six hundred, by the way, would be about the amount

796
00:38:58,039 --> 00:38:59,719
of at bats you would have if you played every

797
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,519
single goal all one hundred and sixty two games. He'd

798
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:03,719
have about six hundred.

799
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: Abes Castro's biggest vice was much like George Washington's ice

800
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,800
cream was ice cream. I actually read that today was

801
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,440
obsessed with dairy. Yes, yeah, so Jake probably sent it

802
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,039
to you as well.

803
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: No, I just actually caught that online.

804
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:18,599
Speaker 2: Obsessed with dairy, had ice cream and milkshakes every day.

805
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:24,519
The closest we ever came to assassinating Castro was we

806
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:27,039
poisoned one of his milkshakes. But I guess he got

807
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:29,800
frozen and it like just got lodged on the side

808
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,079
and he didn't like ingest it. That's really funny. And

809
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:36,360
then he was obsessed with trying to create a supercow.

810
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:40,199
What Castro wanted to create super cows?

811
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: He loved dairy, Okay, yeah, I guess it makes sense.

812
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: And then he was trying to make like personal, like

813
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,039
dog sized cows for everyone's houses that which would have

814
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:52,559
been awesome.

815
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:56,039
Speaker 1: That's a man that thinks just a little cow you

816
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:56,960
can milk every day.

817
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know they're not taking up too much space. Yeah,

818
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,119
you're kind of just standing in your kitchen backyard and

819
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:04,920
keep him in the house.

820
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever, it's fine. You can probably train a cow

821
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:08,679
to shoot outside.

822
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: Oh dude, if we had like little cow doors instead

823
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:12,400
of a doggy door.

824
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, be sick, damn it. We should get on that.

825
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:19,679
Speaker 2: Castro. I think he was a visionary.

826
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a lot of big ideas.

827
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,079
Speaker 2: This is one of his best.

828
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:26,119
Speaker 1: But unlike Da Vinci, who also didn't get anything done,

829
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:27,519
I will give Castro credit.

830
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: For his for his his big idea. He never made

831
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,840
the small cow, but he did make a super cow

832
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,480
that like produced I think a Guinness Book of World

833
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:38,000
records amount of milk in a day. It became a

834
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:41,719
national hero. The cow is just like cool. I forget

835
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,000
what it means in Spanish, but it's it translated to

836
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:49,599
white utter okay, So that was like his that was

837
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,320
it became a national hero of Cuba.

838
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

839
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,679
Speaker 2: And Castro, you know, he does have so much raise.

840
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,039
Speaker 1: He's just out there.

841
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: He's so chill. I mean he did some terrible things, yeah,

842
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:04,760
awful things, but he kind of sounds like a good hang.

843
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: He does something, all things considered. He can ball, good hang,

844
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,320
he can hoop a little bit. I'm just saying, on

845
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,599
my short list of people to go to, anyone from

846
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:16,000
history to go to a baseball game.

847
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,559
Speaker 2: With, I'm going with Castro. Yeah, he's on castro and

848
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,639
w like on both sides of me. You know, I

849
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:25,760
hate that. I would be a great time crushed nine

850
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:26,840
dogs and nine beers.

851
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: But cas w who will drink of course?

852
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? But he also he's bringing some you know, white

853
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:35,719
powder to the party as well.

854
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: You need fun w.

855
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 2: Roberts also offered Burnham a command post in the rank

856
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,039
of captain, which was unusual for a non British citizen

857
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:50,000
in the British Army. Yeah for real. So he takes

858
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,760
the position and during the war he spent much of

859
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,880
the time behind Boar lines and was captured twice, escaping

860
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:58,480
both times.

861
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: Feels like an easy place to get Wait, who is

862
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,679
the war was white on white, wasn't it?

863
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,079
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, which I was not like super familiar with.

864
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:10,920
We don't really learn much about the Boer War.

865
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: Why would we learn about the Boer War.

866
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:15,599
Speaker 2: It's like a two major powers though going at it.

867
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,199
Speaker 1: It's pretty recent war on the other side of the world.

868
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,159
It literally doesn't affect America in any way whatsoever.

869
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's the Dutch in the English.

870
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well is it the Dutch of Dutch?

871
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,559
Speaker 2: Just Dutch settlers, Dutch settlers.

872
00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:29,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I don't even know if it's I

873
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:30,360
don't even know if the Dutch even give them.

874
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: I think the Dutch still claim them.

875
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, I don't know, they can't do anything

876
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:36,880
I want.

877
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wonder if that kind of like globally stirred

878
00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:42,360
the pot between those two powers.

879
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,199
Speaker 1: I don't think it did. I think the Dutch were

880
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,280
pretty much like nothing at that point. The Dutch are

881
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,320
one of those countries. I don't remember what happened in

882
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,119
the World War One, but I mean World War Two

883
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,519
they held out for like like three weeks or something.

884
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:59,480
I mean it was bad. They were rolled over.

885
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:05,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean their heyday was like sixteen seventeen hundred

886
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:10,519
YEAP On June second, nineteen hundred, Freddy was on a

887
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:14,119
scouted mission alone when he was surrounded by bowers. He

888
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:17,000
tried to flee, but they shot his horse as he

889
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:21,159
was making his escape, and he sustained serious injuries when

890
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:24,280
the dead animal landed on him and knocked him unconscious.

891
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:25,599
Speaker 1: Don't do it.

892
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,039
Speaker 2: I guess the bowers just thought he was dead and

893
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:32,599
left him to wake up hours later alone. They shot

894
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:35,000
his horse, he fell, gets knocked out, and they think

895
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,599
he's just dead. Like we got him because they shot

896
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:37,320
him from the distance.

897
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're just like whatever, check him for wounds,

898
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:43,400
like no bleeding, but be like it's weird. Not a

899
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,360
hole at him anywhere.

900
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 2: So he completes his mission. He crawls up the bridge

901
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,760
that he was originally supposed to go to, placed two

902
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,239
charges and blew up the rail to disrupt the Bower

903
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,920
Gold and Supply transportation route. Good for him, blow up

904
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:01,960
a goddamn train.

905
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,559
Speaker 1: Bridge that's on the bores. You know, you run out,

906
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,360
you run out the hit right, run out the ground ball.

907
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:12,159
Speaker 2: I mean right now, UFC MMA. People are always complaining like, oh,

908
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:13,599
why do you have to hit him that second time

909
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,039
on the ground He was already knocked out until the

910
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:19,719
referee stops the fight. You gotta keep hitting them those

911
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:20,360
hammer fists.

912
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: It's not on you. It's not on you to stop.

913
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: It's on the ref So after he blew up the bridge,

914
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,360
he's like, I need to fucking hide somewhere. Finds an

915
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,119
empty animal enclosure. He spends two days in there, no food,

916
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:41,840
no water, He's bleeding. Yeah, it's like probably absolute.

917
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,079
Speaker 1: Misery, broken ribs and shit.

918
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: And he starts to hear gunfire after a couple of days,

919
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,079
you know, no food, no water, you start to not care. Yeah,

920
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:54,000
you're just like let the chips fall where they may.

921
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,400
I'm gonna go towards the gunfire. Yeah, hopefully it's my guys.

922
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,079
If it's not, if it's the enemy, like whatever, they

923
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:03,719
can capture me, I'll be in a better spot. Right.

924
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,679
Thankfully it was the British. So they take him into

925
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,920
town where he received surgery for a torn stomach muscle

926
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,400
and a bursted blood vessel, and they say him not

927
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:21,880
eating or drinking water actually saved his life. Why because

928
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,639
I guess if he ate, it would have like pushed

929
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:28,639
out the torn stomach muscle and the blood. I don't know.

930
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,480
They said, it's just kind of like a passing comment

931
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,199
like it kind of it was a good thing he

932
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:35,679
didn't eat or drink. The luckiest man in the world.

933
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:40,760
I don't. Not a medical profession Yeah, maybe it's someone

934
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,840
of the medical professionals.

935
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: It's like that interview. Have you read that interview after

936
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,800
the Titanic sank where they there this one guy's like

937
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,960
this one who's hammered, right, Yeah, the one guy's like

938
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:54,239
needling the chefs, Like yeah, he's like, what did you do.

939
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: What exactly did you do?

940
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,519
Speaker 1: And it's like are you drink and the cold, well,

941
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:01,360
what did you drink? And another guy's like what, I

942
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,760
hardly think that, Mattos and the doctor like this is

943
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,480
all in the thing that one of the other guys

944
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,599
because I hardly think that Matos. And then the doctor's

945
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:10,599
like no, no, no, this is the point. Exactly what

946
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,039
did you drink? And he's like Brandy and then he's like, yeah,

947
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:18,519
they kept you alive, m because alcohol doesn't freeze and

948
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:19,440
you were full of it.

949
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: You were ninety percent of He was ordered to England

950
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,559
by Lord Roberts and he was promoted to the Major

951
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,920
or the rank of major. He had dinner with Queen

952
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,159
Victoria and stayed in the Osborne House once he arrived

953
00:46:33,159 --> 00:46:33,639
in England.

954
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,519
Speaker 1: She was a real star fucker. It feels like every

955
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:38,480
time we do an episode from this era on the

956
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,119
British and someone does anything.

957
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: Queen Victoria shows up, it has a dinner with them.

958
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:44,800
Every time she had nothing to do.

959
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,159
Speaker 1: Those two Zulu commanders from Rourke's Drift also were invited

960
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:49,960
to dinner with Queen Victoria. Only one of them made

961
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,320
it because the other one was like he was out somewhere.

962
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,159
But yeah, like every time someone does anything, the Queen's like,

963
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:57,119
come eat dinner with me.

964
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: A few months later, when Victoria died, King Edward the

965
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,440
seventh presented Freddie with the Queens South Africa Medal along

966
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,159
with the Cross of Distinguished Service Order. So he's a

967
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:12,480
war hero now, just not for us. I know, that's weird.

968
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:20,239
Burnham was also the inspiration for can you guess a

969
00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:24,320
certain group in the both the US and internationally.

970
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,199
Speaker 1: The inspiration for a certain group in the US.

971
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:31,639
Speaker 2: Of young lads, the Boy Scouts, the Boy Scouts. Oh wow,

972
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,960
he was head Scout dude. No, Burnham was the mentor

973
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:40,199
and commander of the British soldier and eventual founder of

974
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:45,800
the Boy Scouts, Robert Baden Powell, and Powell is like adamant, like,

975
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,079
this is the guy, this is all of my work

976
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,679
is based on him.

977
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: So the Boy Scouts wasn't even founded by an American.

978
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,119
M M, it's just based on an American.

979
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: It's based on an America. I think that's better. The

980
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:03,880
dude did all the hard work, yeah, yeah, all the ground.

981
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,119
Speaker 1: I feel like Burnham did quite a bit of hard work.

982
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean so far let's just kind of

983
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,880
we're not even close to being done. O Jesus, I

984
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:16,679
mean we are, we are.

985
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,679
Speaker 1: But by the way, I will say, the Boy Scouts

986
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,159
is very British coded in a lot of ways. Neckerchiefs,

987
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,400
the socks, it makes sense.

988
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's either you know, British coded or Wes Anderson code.

989
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: And by the way, actually the Boy Scout colors themselves

990
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,639
are kind of like British Army at that time colors.

991
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:38,880
You've got the olive so the socks for example, olive

992
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:44,119
green and red tipped type of shit. Yeah, it's very

993
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:44,960
brit code.

994
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:52,199
Speaker 2: Inspiration for the Boys Scouts. He's assassinated an African drib leader. Yeah,

995
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:53,519
he fought in the Boer War.

996
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: Was a Wild West gun slinger.

997
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 2: Got into a family one of the biggest family feuds

998
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,519
in US Western history.

999
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,599
Speaker 1: And I guess it. Had a cup of coffee on

1000
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:05,360
a gold rush.

1001
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:06,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1002
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:12,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, was Bros with Bros with Cecil Rhodes.

1003
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: Was a riding horseback and delivering telegrams.

1004
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: And at ten pay to pay off his like whatever

1005
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,840
the opposite of Actually, I already know the hitler of

1006
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:25,719
this week, but I'll.

1007
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 2: Save it for the for the end. Yeah, Okay, Baden

1008
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,159
Powell considered Burnham to be the greatest scout alive. Burnham

1009
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:35,280
later became close friends with others involved in the scouting

1010
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:41,480
movement in the United States, such as one Teddy Roosevelt. Okay,

1011
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,920
so him and Teddy become boys, or I guess there's

1012
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,039
big of boys. As you can be with Teddy Roosevelt.

1013
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: He's kind of like mildly friends with everyone, like if

1014
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,480
you've done anything, he's just like bully.

1015
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,119
Speaker 2: He might be a starfucker.

1016
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:57,119
Speaker 1: He's a starfucker.

1017
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 2: Between nineteen oh two in nineteen oh four, he was

1018
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,000
employed by the East Africa Syndicate, for which he led

1019
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:10,679
a vast mineral prospect and expedition in Kenya. Wasn't called

1020
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,039
Kenya then. I don't know what it was called, but

1021
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:16,559
it's Kenya now. Burnham returned to North America and for

1022
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:21,639
the next few years became associated with the Jaque River

1023
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,559
irrigation project in Mexico.

1024
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: So doing what is more like running security shit.

1025
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: Or security, but he's also he's invested in this land

1026
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,960
and he wants them to damn this river for both

1027
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,519
power reasons and water like across these different states. Yeah,

1028
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,840
so he's actually pretty ground floor on that on electricity,

1029
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,000
not electricity, but like damning this one river that ends

1030
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:55,360
up providing a lot of power and okay, water too

1031
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,920
that area. Yeah yeah. Burnham, together with Charles Frederick Hole,

1032
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,880
made important archaeology discoveries of Mayan civilizations while they were there,

1033
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:09,639
including the Esperanza Stone.

1034
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:11,199
Speaker 1: What I don't know what that is.

1035
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:17,119
Speaker 2: I don't either. They just found some Mayan was it like,

1036
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:21,559
was it like the Rosetta Stone Esperanza Stone?

1037
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: I know I'm saying it was like the Mayan Rosetta zone.

1038
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,519
Like what is the Esperanza What is the significance? Yeah,

1039
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:31,760
I don't know. It's softcore history, dude, Yeah, fair enough.

1040
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,119
Speaker 2: This was just kind of a passage.

1041
00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: Oh, it's just a stone with some inscriptions on it.

1042
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: In nineteen oh nine, this was I think this is

1043
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:46,360
his brightest moment. Okay, so William Howard Taft.

1044
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: Oh it should be noted by the way the Esperanza

1045
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,639
zone has a swastika on.

1046
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:53,199
Speaker 2: It makes you think about the mines, now.

1047
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:56,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe the Spanish worth a good guys.

1048
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:01,119
Speaker 2: The minds in Aztecs were ground floor Nazi.

1049
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1050
00:52:03,519 --> 00:52:08,679
Speaker 2: Nineteen oh nine, Howard Taft and Porphyrio Diaz planned a

1051
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,119
summit in El Paso, Texas and Warres, Mexico, a historic

1052
00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:16,239
first meant in between a US president and the Mexican president,

1053
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:18,920
and also the first time an American president would cross

1054
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,000
the border into Mexico.

1055
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,639
Speaker 1: American presidents did not really go anywhere for a very

1056
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:27,199
long time. Wilson was the first one to go to Europe.

1057
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: I know, it's weird. Yeah. Tensions were use on both

1058
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,920
sides of the border, including threats of assassination.

1059
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: You know what is this O nine, nineteen oh nine,

1060
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:43,559
nineteen oh nine, I mean they're losing. The Mexican War

1061
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:45,519
is within living memory of nineteen oh nine.

1062
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's the older generations just like fuck them.

1063
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, like truly, like there are people alive, probably not

1064
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:56,280
more than a handful that served, but certainly like ten

1065
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,360
year olds who remember the war. The type of thing

1066
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:01,519
like of the where World War two is right now,

1067
00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:06,880
basically because it's seventy years later, sixty no, sixty years later,

1068
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:09,199
nineteen oh nine, eighteen forty eight. Yeah.

1069
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 2: So the Texas Rangers, four thousand US and Mexican troops,

1070
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,119
US Secret Service agents, FBI agents, and US marshalls were

1071
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:20,599
all called in to provide security. Burnham was put in

1072
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:23,079
charge of a private security detail with two hundred and

1073
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:26,920
fifty men, who, in addition to owning large investments in

1074
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,679
Mexico with him and his boy Hammon, were close personal

1075
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:37,159
friends with Taft. Okay, So Taft and his boy Hammon

1076
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:41,599
went to Yell together. And he was also I guess

1077
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:44,920
a vice presidential candidate in nineteen oh eight. Did he

1078
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,599
not with Hammon? Guy? Yeah? Okay? Was he hot? Probably?

1079
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if Taff was the duff so.

1080
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: I mean compared to Taft and everyone's hot. Yeah.

1081
00:53:56,679 --> 00:54:00,159
Speaker 1: Half was the designated ugly fat friend at Yale and

1082
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:03,639
they were just like crushing and Taft was really funny

1083
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,639
or he was just rich, yeah, rich smart. He was

1084
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:08,400
a president and a Supreme Court justice.

1085
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: On October sixteenth, the day of the summit, Burnham in

1086
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,480
private C. R. Moore, a Texas ranger, discovered a man

1087
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,199
holding a concealed palm pistol standing at the El Paso

1088
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,000
Chamber of Commerce building along the procession route. Burnham and

1089
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,679
Moore captured and disarmed the assassin, just a few feet

1090
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,320
away from Taft In Diaz.

1091
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: Was as asshole, an anarchist or was this actually for

1092
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:33,280
a reason.

1093
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:37,679
Speaker 2: So my man stopped Taft from getting assassinated.

1094
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:43,599
Speaker 1: Damn, dude, that time period, if you were a world leader,

1095
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,960
you were just on a platter. I mean, my god,

1096
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,079
it was just you just get in a car that

1097
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:52,159
barely moves and you're like, hope no one walks up

1098
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:52,400
to me.

1099
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, hope. I didn't pass anyone off to him.

1100
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is five years before Ferdinand gets it,

1101
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,079
what probably ten years after McKinley got it.

1102
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:05,679
Speaker 2: It's just it was open season.

1103
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1104
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 2: After the taf DA summit, Burnham led a team of

1105
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,960
five hundred men guarding mining properties owned by Hammond, JP Morgan,

1106
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:21,119
and the Gugenheims in the Mexican state of Sonora. So

1107
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,079
if you want to ruam with some conspiracies there, maybe

1108
00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:26,280
he's tied up into some of this stuff. He's a freemason.

1109
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,239
He's working for JP Morgan, the gugen Heims. Look, this

1110
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,880
is just a useful guy. This guy is very useful.

1111
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: Who rich, powerful people pay to do things. No, you

1112
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,320
don't need a conspiracy for it.

1113
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 2: His irrigation and mining projects were wrapped up nearly in

1114
00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:50,679
nineteen twelve, but a series of Mexican revolutions began. The

1115
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,960
final blow to these efforts for his projects in Mexico

1116
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,960
came in nineteen seventeen when Mexico passed laws prohibiting the

1117
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,559
sale of land two foreigners. Burnham and Hammon carried their

1118
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:05,679
properties until nineteen thirty and would eventually sell them to

1119
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:06,599
the Mexican government.

1120
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, still can't do that today, I believe.

1121
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 2: Burnham was also one of the eighteen officers selected by

1122
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,559
former US President Teddy Roosevelt to raise a volunteer infantry

1123
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:25,599
division for service in France in nineteen seventeen, shortly after

1124
00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:27,239
the US entered World War One.

1125
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,199
Speaker 1: Goy Roosevelt was so thirsty.

1126
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: Congress gave Roosevelt the authority to raise up four divisions

1127
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,320
similar to the rough Riders. However, Woodrow Wilson refused to

1128
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,719
make use of Roosevelt's volunteers.

1129
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:44,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, say, knowing about Woodrow Wilson plenty,

1130
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,760
But like at some point you gotta just be like Teddy,

1131
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,119
it's the goddamn twentieth century.

1132
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 2: We're not doing this any Take a seat. Yeah, Like, relax,

1133
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:54,840
go retire.

1134
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: We're not raising our own military units.

1135
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:58,519
Speaker 2: Pick up a golfer.

1136
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna govern It'll handle it, God damn it.

1137
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,599
Speaker 2: So instead, Burnham spent the war doing counter intelligence for Britain,

1138
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:10,800
not against US, but against like some German assets that

1139
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:11,440
were in the country.

1140
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: Fritz were definitely doing intelligence every every single way.

1141
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:16,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly, as we.

1142
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: Saw with the Zimmerman Telegram episode.

1143
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 2: Much of it involved a famous Boer spy, Captain Fritz Duquane,

1144
00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:28,760
who became a German spy in both World Wars and

1145
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,760
claimed to have killed Field Marshal Kitchener while en route

1146
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,920
to meet with the Russians during the Second Boer War,

1147
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:40,239
Burnham and Dukane were actually ordered to assassinate one another.

1148
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,760
Hell yeah, But it was not until nineteen ten that

1149
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,760
the two men actually met for the first time in Washington, DC.

1150
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:52,519
Speaker 1: That's gnarly, like you each order to murder the other

1151
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:53,679
one at one point.

1152
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,039
Speaker 2: And they were there for the same cause in nineteen ten,

1153
00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:01,840
lobbying in favor for the importation of African game animals

1154
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:03,320
into the US.

1155
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: Like, look, we wanted to murder each other, but I'm

1156
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,960
telling you, if you can get us in a room,

1157
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:13,639
it's pretty good proof you should bring some goddamn giraffes

1158
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:14,079
over here.

1159
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Spy and spy, yeah, and they're just we've

1160
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,280
got to ride in together, got.

1161
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: To come together to get more gazelle in America.

1162
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: Dukan was twice arrested by the FBI, and in nineteen

1163
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,000
forty two, he and thirty two other Nazi agents were

1164
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:33,239
jailed for espionage in the largest spy ring conviction in

1165
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:34,199
the US history.

1166
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: We kind of like, this is the thing people don't

1167
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,000
remember about, I don't think about. I guess it. The

1168
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:47,760
Germans really get a lot of shine from the Blitzkrieg.

1169
00:58:48,639 --> 00:58:51,039
I know you hate college football analogies on the show,

1170
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:54,039
but I'll do it anyway to just imagine, like somebody

1171
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,239
absolutely bought focks their non conference schedule, right, and there's

1172
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,960
one P five team, and then we beat them by fifty.

1173
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,920
I think they're pretty good. And then they go like,

1174
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,480
I don't know, one game over five hundred the rest

1175
00:59:06,519 --> 00:59:08,800
of the year, but you still think they're good somehow.

1176
00:59:09,039 --> 00:59:12,000
That's kind of Nazi Germany, Like they really got a

1177
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,920
lot of shine off thirty nine and forty, but like

1178
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,840
we and the British just completely fucked them in the

1179
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,239
spy game, I mean, and pulled their pants down like

1180
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,880
it was bad. They were not good at it.

1181
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Germans just hired a random Spanish dude. Yeah

1182
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:31,880
that just was like, I'm down for it, yeah, and

1183
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,280
then immediately turned on it.

1184
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: I mean it was they were getting clowned everywhere, and

1185
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:45,280
they really stopped winning battles after forty two. Certainly by

1186
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,719
forty three, forty four to forty five, they weren't winning anything.

1187
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,760
Forty two was probably a pretty mixed bag, to be honest,

1188
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:56,880
like it as essentially as soon as the meat of

1189
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,800
their schedule showed up. Yeah, it got bad.

1190
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,159
Speaker 2: Up until the nineteen twenties, Burnham had lived all over

1191
01:00:03,199 --> 01:00:05,400
the world, but never really had a great deal of

1192
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,440
wealth to show for his efforts. That's wild. I know.

1193
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,199
Speaker 1: He was too busy working to get rich, and that's

1194
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:14,280
that's a profound sentence.

1195
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: That wasn't until he returned to California, where in November

1196
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,360
of nineteen twenty three he struck oil. Hell yeah, on

1197
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:21,880
his land.

1198
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,119
Speaker 1: He's just like good for him in La. Where was

1199
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:26,840
he Pasadena.

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01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: Dominguez Hills near Carson, California.

1201
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so my uncle, my my far wealthiest uncle. He's

1202
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,079
an oil man out in California up in Bakersfield.

1203
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:47,039
Speaker 2: So I don't know where Carson Hills is. It's Domingez Hills, Domingez, Carson, California, Carson, California.

1204
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:50,239
Speaker 1: Sorry, I wonder if that's near Baker's Field.

1205
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: Just look up a map Car.

1206
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:55,239
Speaker 1: I am no, dude, that is like the middle of LA.

1207
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 2: There you go. No, no, look at this.

1208
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: Look at this.

1209
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:04,119
Speaker 2: See where it says the Queen Mary Carson is right

1210
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:05,079
above that. There you go.

1211
01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: That is the middle of LA.

1212
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,639
Speaker 2: There's ail on those fields. God damn, do we need

1213
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:13,679
to demolish La and suck it dry? Man? You were

1214
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:15,880
asking if that was the reason for all the fires.

1215
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:17,119
Speaker 1: There's oil in them hills.

1216
01:01:17,159 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 2: There's oil on them hill real risky gambit to light

1217
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,119
it on fire, I know, because then you could have

1218
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:26,079
a Centralia, Pennsylvania situation on your hands.

1219
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:28,199
Speaker 1: It's just the hills are the underneath the hills are

1220
01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:31,840
just constantly on fire, forever on fire. California's glowing hills.

1221
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,639
Speaker 2: In a field that covered just two square miles, over

1222
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:39,400
one hundred and fifty wells from Union Oil were soon

1223
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,000
producing thirty seven thousand barrels a day, with ten thousand

1224
01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:47,079
barrels a day going to the Burnham Exploration Company in

1225
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:50,920
the first ten years of operation, Burnham paid out ten

1226
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,000
point two million in dividends.

1227
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,599
Speaker 1: Good God, in what year? The twenties?

1228
01:01:57,039 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 2: Twenty three, he's pretty older.

1229
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: The sixties, I guess hmm, yeah, yeah, literally sixty two.

1230
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:07,280
He still got so much life Like sixty three.

1231
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,719
Speaker 2: Burnham supported the early conservation program of his friend Teddy

1232
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:20,519
Roosevelt and Gifford pinch It. He and his associate John Pinchell. Yeah, okay, yeah,

1233
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:24,199
they're gonna get angry if I said it wrong. I'm sorry.

1234
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:27,639
I'm a moron. I mispronounced things all the time. Welcome

1235
01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:32,000
to the party, pal, what softcore history? All right?

1236
01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:33,559
Speaker 1: And it's softcore English too.

1237
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,599
Speaker 2: It's just you know, I don't I just read it.

1238
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,840
I've never heard it. Pinchow, Gifford Pinchew.

1239
01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:44,519
Speaker 1: I know, but like I don't know. That's a fairly

1240
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:47,360
common last name, Pinchit, Pinchhow. It's a common last name.

1241
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess I should say, oh, I see hot.

1242
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:52,519
I should just think some type of like soft ass

1243
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:53,760
French pronunciation.

1244
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:54,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1245
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,199
Speaker 2: So they led novel game expeditions to Africa with the

1246
01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:03,960
goal of fine in large animals such as hippopotamuses, zebras,

1247
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,559
and various bird species that might breed in the US

1248
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,199
and become game for American sportsmen.

1249
01:03:09,639 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: I mean they were I don't know what the situation

1250
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,119
was back then, but they were certainly ahead of the game.

1251
01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:17,119
Because I'm you can hunt that shit now in America

1252
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,960
and here in Texas certainly.

1253
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets a bunch of like different positions, and

1254
01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:28,000
he's members of like the California State Park Commission. He's

1255
01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:31,679
a founded member of the Save the Redwoods League. Loved

1256
01:03:31,719 --> 01:03:32,840
himself those redwoods.

1257
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:38,199
Speaker 1: Look, you need trees, you gotta cut down trees, but

1258
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:40,840
you don't need to cut down the cool ones.

1259
01:03:41,079 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: He was president of the Southwest Museum of Los Angeles

1260
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:48,079
from nineteen thirty eight until nineteen forty and served as

1261
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:51,920
both an honorary president of the Arizona Boy Scouts and

1262
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,679
as a regional executive for the Boy Scouts of America

1263
01:03:55,719 --> 01:03:59,119
throughout the nineteen forties until his death in nineteen forty seven.

1264
01:03:59,239 --> 01:04:02,079
Speaker 1: That's like saying Jesus Christ, Sir came back to Earth

1265
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:05,440
and served as an honorary bishop of the Archdiocese of Tucson.

1266
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, like just hanging out like nice.

1267
01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:13,079
Speaker 1: Little group you got here. I'm its inspiration I'll be

1268
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:13,880
in charge now.

1269
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is the Jesus figure of the boys, is

1270
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:21,880
boy scout Jesus. It's a great comparison. Yeah, yeah, And

1271
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,639
that is just kind of his wife dies. I think

1272
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:28,920
we've long ago in thirty nine. So Blanche suffers a

1273
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,800
stroke dies in forty three at the age of eighty three.

1274
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,159
He remarries to a much younger typist.

1275
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: Which, hell, yeah, first off, much like him.

1276
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 2: Watch her get a bunch of money.

1277
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, much like him. We all forgot Blanche.

1278
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 2: Existed, honestly, Like back then, it was just expected to

1279
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:51,119
leave your wife and go wherever you want to. Yeah,

1280
01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:53,079
what happened to that? What happened to just do you

1281
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:57,440
think of starting a family and leaving them for just adventure.

1282
01:04:57,559 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: She's like, you're leaving again, And he's like, I gotta work.

1283
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: She's like, you never bring money home until we found

1284
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,400
oil on our property that I was here the time.

1285
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:09,719
Speaker 1: You're like, well, you weren't digging. Maybe if you had

1286
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,719
been digging on the property, you would have been making

1287
01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:15,440
the money. I got the shovel out.

1288
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:19,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's just classical.

1289
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:21,719
Speaker 1: She had at one point brought it up, like you

1290
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:26,079
keep leaving for work? But we still don't have any money.

1291
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,880
Can you maybe just stick around and work here.

1292
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:33,079
Speaker 2: Stick somewhere honestly, Yeah, I don't even care if it's here,

1293
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,039
Just keep a job, like.

1294
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:37,159
Speaker 1: I was promoted to major. Well, they didn't give you anything.

1295
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, the British British Army is not paying.

1296
01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:44,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had dinner with the Queen, Well, you paid

1297
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:44,840
for the appearance.

1298
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 2: Can you, like, I don't know, take some of the

1299
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:48,599
ornaments or the.

1300
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,199
Speaker 1: Cups something, Yeah, steal a set of china from Queen

1301
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,599
Victoria at that dinner. For the love of God, you

1302
01:05:54,639 --> 01:05:56,880
brought you haven't brought him a paycheck in a long time.

1303
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:04,039
Speaker 2: And that is the story of our boy, Frederick Russell Burnham's.

1304
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: That's a life highly well lived.

1305
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 2: From Sue Reservation in Minnesota to California, I A, yeah,

1306
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,760
and Africa in between.

1307
01:06:17,079 --> 01:06:21,679
Speaker 1: Alaska sort of World War One somewhere I don't know

1308
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:22,239
where anything.

1309
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:23,679
Speaker 2: He'd actually get deployed, I know.

1310
01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:24,559
Speaker 1: But he wasn't a spy.

1311
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 2: He was he was spying California, Okay, doing what again?

1312
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:36,000
He was going after his uh okay, his main rival. Yeah,

1313
01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:37,559
he had since the bell Or War.

1314
01:06:37,719 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough.

1315
01:06:39,519 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: It feels like a low stakes game and then they

1316
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,559
just make good and the Germans become boys. They're trying

1317
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:48,000
to get African game over to the US.

1318
01:06:48,039 --> 01:06:50,719
Speaker 1: Can you imagine getting that intelligence like that? You're just

1319
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,920
like trying to figure out how the French are deploying

1320
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,199
their troops, and you get a message and some guys

1321
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,599
like they're they're they're they're building a new movie studio

1322
01:06:59,639 --> 01:07:00,880
in a lot of Angela.

1323
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 2: Like what the fuck?

1324
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: I don't care what.

1325
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,519
Speaker 2: Oh, there's plenty of things to like look at in

1326
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:09,480
the home front World War One. I guess plenty of

1327
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:10,079
Germans there.

1328
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get if he's riling up Germans, I guess

1329
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,719
that would be the espionage point of it, certainly.

1330
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:22,239
Speaker 2: Otherwise it's like, well, you're not helping my dude saved

1331
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:27,880
Taff's live. He did. He did stout the assassin within feet.

1332
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,000
I've taken the shot.

1333
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: With his stupid little darringer. Such a bitch way to

1334
01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:37,239
kill someone, dude.

1335
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 2: I mean, fucking Lincoln got shot with a very tiny gown.

1336
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: But literally a darringer. Literally, it was.

1337
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 2: That's why he didn't die right away. Yeah, took like

1338
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:47,280
twelve out.

1339
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: He was just sitting there unconscious, like please kill me

1340
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,119
I think someone over his bed says he said like

1341
01:07:56,159 --> 01:07:58,840
he belongs to the ages now and Lincoln's still just like,

1342
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:01,519
oh my god.

1343
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,199
Speaker 2: Ah is a direct quote. That is a direct one.

1344
01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:07,880
I think it was Seward who said it.

1345
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,679
Speaker 1: They were like, he belongs to the ages now his

1346
01:08:10,719 --> 01:08:11,480
Lincoln's just.

1347
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:17,359
Speaker 3: Like oh somebody something.

1348
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,359
Speaker 2: So yeah, life, well lived. What did you learn today?

1349
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,319
Speaker 1: I mean, well everything, I guess. I learned that it's

1350
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:30,279
a fool's errand to build a railroad from South Africa

1351
01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:34,239
to Cairo there's just no fucking way.

1352
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,119
Speaker 2: But they'll still give out scholarships in your name. Yeah.

1353
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:40,119
Speaker 1: As soon as you said Rhodes, I was like, oh,

1354
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:42,640
this gotta be the same guy, because the Rhodes Scholarship

1355
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,159
gets a lot of shit these days, of course, because

1356
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:47,119
it's like, oh the guy who made it was racist

1357
01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:48,640
and blah blah blah blah blah.

1358
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:52,239
Speaker 2: I learned it was a better time where you didn't

1359
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:55,359
have to actually parent your kids, parent your kids. Wife.

1360
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:55,920
Your wife.

1361
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: He was definitely cheating on her all the time.

1362
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:04,359
Speaker 2: It was a man. I just don't buy that. He's

1363
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:09,800
always getting overlooked. Being five four, maybe that's where the

1364
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,359
money went, and being boyish, maybe that's where.

1365
01:09:12,199 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: The money went whores.

1366
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he maybe had a couple side checks in

1367
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,800
Africa and on his Parzona. Yeah yeah, yeah.

1368
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: I think that's that's why he was never rich. He

1369
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:31,159
had to become so rich that the horse couldn't bankrupt him.

1370
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 2: For JP Morgan and the Googenheims.

1371
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: He also had to be a terrible negotiator. I'll take

1372
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,720
what's fair. JP Morgan's like a dollar. Well, if you

1373
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,800
say so, do you think that's fair? Yeah, if you

1374
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,079
dig that's fair, you better. You're an honorable man. I'll

1375
01:09:50,119 --> 01:09:54,680
trust you. Uh yeah a dollar uh minus expenses.

1376
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 2: I mean what a life though, Like he wasn't even

1377
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,560
supposed to stay alive. He was a silent baby in

1378
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:00,159
a corn.

1379
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: That this is the one of the luckiest people that's

1380
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,800
ever lived, Like to pure how many.

1381
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 2: Times just the sheer aura of him, yeah kept him alive.

1382
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, riz out.

1383
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:16,199
Speaker 2: The ass gets this short, his horse gets shot and

1384
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:19,520
he just you know, gets knocked unconscious. They just leave him.

1385
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:20,479
I guess he's dead.

1386
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:23,399
Speaker 1: I wonder if they left him for dead, or I

1387
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,239
wonder if they thought he was dead or honestly, like

1388
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,079
broke his leg. And I mean a lot of times

1389
01:10:28,199 --> 01:10:31,920
people don't want to kill other people, like directly, so

1390
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,399
they honestly might have known he was alive and they

1391
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:36,560
were like, he's not gonna make it. I don't want

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to nowhere, you really want to execute him, like execute

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an unconscious man right now, Like there's a good chance

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that happened to be honest. But yeah, I learned I

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didn't know any any of this, including who this man was.

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Speaker 2: Crazy a man that saved Taff's life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how different. History would have been,

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probably different, but I don't know how.

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Speaker 2: In some degree, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how. But yeah, I learned that. You know,

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Arcsey of Arizona is older than the state of Arisota.

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That is absurd, like twenty years older.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who's today's hitler?

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Speaker 1: This guy's mom for making her husband move across the cove,

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across the country and build a house die Honestly.

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Speaker 2: When immediately goes back to her parents, it could have.

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Speaker 1: Been her dad who was just like so full of himself.

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He's like, We're going to move across the country and

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I'll build a home, in which case he's his own hitler.

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Speaker 2: That was just a part for the course back then.

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Speaker 1: Stupid other Hitler. I guess if I had to pick

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a secon secondary Hitler a Himmler, if you will. Oh, boy,

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I don't even know, because we weren't really antagonists in

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this story, just.

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Speaker 2: The one guy that was ordered to assassinate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's just business.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nothing personal. No, And they came together as friends.

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Speaker 1: Honestly. The next closest Hitler is this guy himself in

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terms of just being.

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Speaker 2: A probably nasty husband. Yeah, absent father. Although you know,

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we took Roderick to Alaska with he did.

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Speaker 1: He was like, you're old enough, now, boy twelve. I

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was ten when I was adventuring.

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Speaker 2: Take this pickaxe. Yeah, so sure.

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Speaker 1: Also, this guy probably did kill a lot of Native

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people who were just like, please, don't steal my land

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for your metal horse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So his daughter dies too, but it wasn't really

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on him. Their town was being sieged.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's on him for moving them there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true entirely. And then his youngest his wife,

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like his youngest son also doesn't live very long. But

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I feel like that's just being a kid back then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: But Roderick lived a fulfilling life. Yeah, Roderick was they

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got it right the first time they did. Started running

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back for the University of Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Back when that was a real position.

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Speaker 2: A deck a deck A man started aviation in Guatemala.

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Very random.

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Speaker 1: That's a low bar to clear. I feel like you're

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just like I want to be the foundator, like the

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founder of aviation and just a country that doesn't have it.

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You just like throw it dart at a map in

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nineteen eighteen.

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Speaker 2: You just make a paper airplane and go there yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, you know who doesn't have planes yet, the Philippines.

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I'll go be the first guy to fly a plane. There.

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You're God.

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Speaker 2: That's today's episode, ladies and gentlemen, Thank you for tuning in.

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on three and a half years of content, evergreen content,

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lot of different formats. We got sketches, we got game shows,

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We had episodes just like this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm actually gonna work in earnest this week

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after my wife and children leave town on the right

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the next sketch this week so be gone, and I'll

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have like hours and extra hours and hours and hours time.

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Speaker 2: And you always complain about there not being anything to

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read on the internet. Yeah, we have old blogs you

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can go back and read you really want.

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Speaker 1: To, actually fairly evergreen as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, but it's just old news or

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news club.

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Speaker 1: Let's me news blogging about news from the eighteen nineties,

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which is sick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would love to start doing that again.

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Speaker 2: But that's a lot of some good reads on the toilet.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of bandwidth. Yeah, but they are, and

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they're in a special like list you don't have to

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like scroll forever to find.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's there's a different collections I think.

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Speaker 2: Collections and playlists or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, we love you guys. For Rob Fox, I'm

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damn regester. You just got saucer.